the-dark-ages

[green jetty]

back

[elder raven]

it made him seem more than ‘the slayer’ and more like ‘doomguy’ if that makes sense

and also cthulhu’s cutscene were badass

[green jetty]

do i change my tag to silksong

[red peak]

Why? Its so cool

[elder raven]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5zZ74lczJgFtVCeaS11Fo1?si=p7SOTbtKRwKucJgb_m2WLg&context=spotify%3Asearch%3Acall%2Bof

[red peak]

How dare you?

Jkjk lol

[green jetty]

ye i like the doom tag ima keep it

[red peak]

Dawg im just playing tho 😭

[green jetty]

ye but i like it fr

[red peak]

Oh alr

[covert goblet]

New nvidia skin looks... fine.

[wintry forge]

I think it’s awesome too, but a lot of people felt it was out of place for Doom. I think most of the fan audience enjoys the cinematic style

[cerulean pagoda]

i havent played a lot of games with first person cutscenes, so i feel like this is a fresh new taste of it with 2016

[hard thistle]

I firmly disagree that it was out of place. TDA made Eternal and 2016 look like they were written by amateurs. TDA's story isn't even Incredible or anything, but it has a hell of a lot more characterization and emotional stakes than the other games.

[red peak]

I mean i do prefer the way Doom Eternal did it with some of the cutscenes being first person, but Tda's style is still so cool

[cerulean pagoda]

tdas story was fine for what it was, i still prefer eternals enviormental storytelling

actually i think doom etenrals story is awesome with how it complements the skill a new player would be obtaining in the game

[wintry forge]

Some cutscenes in Dark Ages are first person, just not as much as Eternal balanced Cinematics with First Person. I think the cinematics add so much and have more opportunities to show off the Slayer’s badassary

[cerulean pagoda]

the cutscene where you were devoured by cthulhu really felt awesome

[elder raven]

i feel like the cutscenes will take two paths:

1. if its the slayer or the slayer and another individual sometimes: first person pov

2. if its about 3 or more characters, third person pov

[red peak]

Fr, like the whole idea of a Doom game is that it makes you feel like a badass, like the monster in a horror game- and the cutscenes help with that alot

[green jetty]

the should add skins from othere crossover universes like in eternal

[cerulean pagoda]

the cutscens in eternal/tda show you being the unstoppable monster, in the dlc first person captured cutscenes, you will literally be the monster

[wintry forge]

The cutscenes of Ancient Gods 2 specifically prove why cutscenes matter in Doom. Their “story” cutscenes were in good faith to the tone and feel of the gameplay

[elder raven]

i miss davoth

[green jetty]

when they make a new doom game ima be begging them to add Isabell from animal crossing

[red peak]

Tbh I havent played the Ancient gods lol-

[red peak]

Loll

[green jetty]

ye

[wintry forge]

Dude, youre missing out!

[thin hound]

Kick this mans!

[elder raven]

hot take: this was funny for like a week or two + the idea of doomguy and isabelle being married like many people on the internet say is gross

[cerulean pagoda]

when you throw the shield and recall it please allow us to whack it with the dreadmace to hit it back forward faster

[red peak]

I bought it! Im going to soon!

[thin hound]

Just kidding

[cerulean pagoda]

train your skill in doom eternal before playing it its infuritatingly difficult

[wintry forge]

He’ll return in voice hopefully! Remember, Novik voices him

[cerulean pagoda]

i mean not that difficult but still difficult

tag1 is the hard part, tag2 is just a ground slam to victory

[hard thistle]

Doom Eternal memes just aren't funny.

[winter fog]

hey everybody, so are we getting a stream today ??

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-26685051

[elder raven]

does davoth have the most voicelines in the game if we take the slayer testaments into consideration ( @hard thistle is that even davoth talking)

[green jetty]

they are a great couple cuz it merges franchises like Isabell is cute and careful outside and inside she's a monster to demons like the slayer then the slayer is angy wanna kill all demon out side but inside hes js a guy that wants his bunny alive

[strong moth]

Do we know if there’s a steam tonight yet?

[cerulean pagoda]

we still dont know who was speaking in those testaments

[wintry forge]

Yes, that is Davoth talking. Same voice actor, and Hugo confirmed it

[elder raven]

the only thing i found funny is samuel constantly nagging you about the icon of sin during urdak but that was unfortunately ran into the ground by every doom fan and their mother

[hard thistle]

If we are talking most spoken dialogue in a Doom game, it's probably either Davoth or Samuel Hayden. That is, if you take 2016's demonic voice to be Davoth - which Hugo claims it is, but I think it's dumb.

[elder raven]

actually its probably vega or samuel hayden

[elder raven]

i like the idea of it being davoth but some of the stuff he says kind of feels out of character

[wintry forge]

I think it works, it’s his exact voice, and it’s him warning Hell of his “creation” that went crazy

[green jetty]

you cant just shoot a hole into the surface of mars 🗣️ 🔥

[hard thistle]

I've always preferred the idea of it being the Aranea Imperatrix. I think that fits more, it gives her some much-needed characterization. I prefer that over it being Davoth.

[elder raven]

i honestly forgot about the aranea imperatrix

fitting since she’s not very talked about in eternal and tda

[mystic barn]

Easily the best bit of characterisation for Doomguy is when he has to remind himself to be gentle when rescuing Thira

[wintry forge]

I think it’s better for Davoth in that sense for the fact of his lack of character time/development tbh

[green jetty]

i wanna ask a question if the dark word is a higher being cant he see like the witch in tda and say to his army dont kill the slayers bunny hell rip and tear you

[elder raven]

i love him ❤️

[green jetty]

aint that a good quetion

[hard thistle]

The whole point of manipulating Olivia was so she could give Hell passage and become a vessel for the Dark Lord of the Fourth Age (Imperatrix). It would only make sense for her to be the one to be speaking to and manipulating Olivia. If it's her, then we get a lot of cool characterization:

• The Slayer's Testaments show us the Imperatrix is a historian, who meticulously records the past and warns the demons of the Slayer
• The voice commanding the demons in Hell makes sense, the Imperatrix lives inside of the minds of the demons and psychically commands them anyway
• The Imperatrix talking to and manipulating Olivia also makes sense.

[hard thistle]

Uh, sure.

[mystic barn]

Imperatrix is Latin for an empress, and the voice we hear in 2016 is clearly male. I like the headcanon a lot, but it can’t be Aranea Imperatrix

[green jetty]

cant the dark lord be da voice

[hard thistle]

I don't think demons are really bound by human considerations of gendered voices and how they should sound. To me the voice sounding male is hardly an issue for an incorporeal ghost demon who happens to be female.

[green jetty]

he js aged to eternal

[hard thistle]

Realistically the demonic voice is probably Davoth, like the signs point to that and I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying I think it's stupid and I wish Hugo would stop "revealing" things that don't need revealing.

[elder raven]

@hard thistle in your honest opinion, do you think davoth could return in anyway? i asked hugo this and he said that “some messing around with davoth would be cool”

[green jetty]

didnt the lower class demons js screech

[green jetty]

if some1 stupit revives him from the humans

and in the final cut seen we see there are maykers alive

[hard thistle]

Going by the lore we have in the story currently, I think it's safe to say he is permanently dead.
But Doom does not really care for that and has shown it will readily retcon past lore if it means they can make another cool story. I'm sure if the writers wanted to bring Davoth back they totally would, and they'd be able to write an excuse for it.

[hushed maple]

Olá peguei o código de Doom the dark ages na NVidia, resgatei o código na página da Bethesda mas não consigo baixar o game

[hard thistle]

Like "oh the Slayer didn't know Primevals can't truly die, Davoth's essence takes another form..." or "Davoth knew he'd die so he backed up his consciousness into a robot like VEGA," or some shit like that.

[wintry forge]

The only way I’d see it make sense is through communion with the High Council in the prequel era

[elder raven]

lmao i see them going with the second route

[elder raven]

this is what im hoping for with either another game or in the dlc

i was hoping davoth would be mentioned in passing during tda in some way

besides the slayer he’s my favorite character in the franchise and im hoping he returns in anyway

[green jetty]

it will probably something like the witch being alive cuz her body in tda was a vessel and the cosmic realm gets discoverd by the humans and the witch is not a demon so she cloud be alive there

[green jetty]

i love the caco demon

[hushed maple]

Hello, I acquired a Doom: The Dark Ages redemption code today through the Nvidia app, used the code and opened a Bethesda account, but I can't download the game to my PC

[harsh egret]

hugo mentioned the which is fully dead

[hard thistle]

W - Davoth isn't one of my absolute favorites, but I like his character and I think he's cooler than people act. I also like his boss fight more than most people.

[green jetty]

the lore is mesed up yk doom

[hard thistle]

To give him credit, Hugo said they just kind of forgot about the whole vessel thing, and to him she's just dead.

[green jetty]

it will do some shit

[harsh egret]

ye

[green jetty]

we aint sure till next game or dlc

[elder raven]

he’s very underrated imo, and i share the same sentiment about his boss fight (though it could have been a teeny bit better)

whenever i think about davoth this song will always play in my head https://open.spotify.com/track/1O0GYt4Kak2eU6GXJuSYot?si=1lXc_isSRGiO7PwoPFyA7w&context=spotify%3Asearch%3Athe%2Bgod%2Bth

got the most fire edit idea to this but i dont know how to edit so its doomed

[hard thistle]

If you use the master level mod for Davoth's fight it actually goes hard as fuck.

[harsh egret]

im sure the dlc wont have anything with the witch

next game maybe

[mystic barn]

For a few weeks now, I’ve had a pet theory that Hell’s High Council represent the 7 deadly sins, with Ahzrak being equivalent to Envy/Beelzebub. If Davoth were to commune with HHC, and was a member, I could imagine him appearing in the DLC as Wrath/Lucifer. Fun to think about anyway

[green jetty]

im sure they will forget smt in the new dlc if there is and will confirm smt then say it was not cannon we js forgot

[elder raven]

ive played that one its very fun

[elder raven]

had the same theory, we talked about this one a bit. but i feel like it has a 50/50 chance of happening because i asked hugo if the idea of doomguy fighting biblical demons like beelzebub came up in development, to which he said yes

there’s hope

[wintry forge]

They easily could be the in-universe interpretation of it. That’s a solid point

[green jetty]

this what im saying maybe next game in the future there will be fight where the witch is merged with Cathulu or how it was spelled

[hard thistle]

High Council represents the 7 deadly sins
we murder Ahzrak
now there's only 6
they become the Order of the Six
https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[harsh egret]

lmao

[elder raven]

he opened a portal to hell 💔

he looked at the icon of sin

[mystic barn]

Without a shred of irony, that’s what I’ve been sayin. Gotta rebrand

[green jetty]

they need to make more games that are in the past to show the fandom how the slayer hunted them down cuz they said lets just atack the city with the slayer in it

[elder raven]

👀 something i just thought of: visiting the ruins of immora in a future doom game set after eternal

[green jetty]

should they add more weapons to the slayer to rip and tear

[winter fog]

so is Davoth the most powerful boss in the doom lore ??

[elder raven]

yes

[hard thistle]

My Doom game idea was more like Doom 3. They should make it. I'll pay them, like, $20 to.

[hard thistle]

In a direct fight, that's probably the Icon of Sin.

[elder raven]

unfortunately it will follow the doom threequel curse and divide some of the fanbase just like 3 and tda did

[hard thistle]

From a more metaphysical perspective, maybe Davoth sure, but he seems to have lost his powers during TAG2.

[winter fog]

so we wont have the same pressure in others futures games ??

[elder raven]

im not a developer idk lol

[winter fog]

haha fair enough

[elder raven]

im a bit tossed up on the primeval concept

its kind of ‘eh’ to me

[mystic barn]

Couldn’t agree more. What makes Doomguy special is that he’s just a regular man. Even though we’re post-Divinity Machine in TDA, Doomguy feels weak, like the underdog. It’s a nice change of pace from the “everyone’s scared of him, run away” of Eternal

[elder raven]

i mean i like the idea of davoth looking like doomguy but i feel like its just a way to say how doomguy could beat davoth

i think it’d be better if the slayer won by pure might alone (he did, but with the primeval status idk)

[hard thistle]

I really dislike the idea that Doomguy was "born a Primeval" and I'm glad TDA seems to be swaying away from that a little bit?

[obsidian shard]

Canada!

[harsh egret]

oof

[hard thistle]

The idea Doomguy was always a super special chosen one is bullshit and nothing indicates that in the games themselves. People just took it as fact because Hugo said so.

[elder raven]

this is what makes me a bit tossed up because i really do like the idea of doomguy having davoth’s face as he destroys the maykrs, satisfying davoth’s plan of revenge

[frail bloom]

Looks like y'all had a really fire discussion

I missed out

[mystic barn]

Possibly? The idea that he was “always special” falls into that chosen one trap whereby the character feels stale due to a lack of any growth and you know they have plot armour, so you don’t fear for their safety. TDA was a step in the right direction, for sure; Doomguy getting stabbed by Ahzrak made me actually fear for his mortality. We just played a mission as a zombie after all. However, it could definitely improve

[frail bloom]

If I'm gonna add on to anything I think they'll handle the dlc cutscenes rather well

[hard thistle]

I don't really mind the face thing because my own Primeval headcanon makes it work.

[obsidian shard]

Preciously this

[frail bloom]

It's first person but you can characterize ppl just as easily in the first person

[elder raven]

do tell

[hard thistle]

Primeval is a synonym for Doomguy. A Primeval is a Doomguy. Every Primeval is a Doomguy, and every Doomguy is a Primeval. "Primeval" literally just means "an iteration of Doomguy."

To specify, I like the idea that Doomguy as a person exists in every Earthly Realm. Somewhere, somehow, a man with dirty-blonde hair and brown eyes will be born, and that person will generally be heroic, strong, passionate, and quick to anger in the face of injustice. It's a "template" for a person.

Davoth is "Doomguy but he's the first Doomguy who lives in Hell and is immortal."

Our Doomguy is "Doomguy but he fought Hell and became the Doom Slayer."

Every Primeval looks the same because they are all Doomguys. Some of them do nothing important, some of them die mundanely or die in a Hell invasion. But our Doomguy became the Slayer.

[elder raven]

this headcanon could tie into that alternate universe thing the art book was talking about

[hard thistle]

I like this idea as a compromise between the Primeval interpretations. You get cosmic bullshit linking the Primevals together, but Doomguy isn't necessarily a "chosen one" or destined for anything - it's just that he's a very strong and capable person, and our Doomguy in particular happened to be the one to rise up and become the Slayer.

[elder raven]

this also makes doom 3 guy a primeval so im all on board with this i like it

my only issue with this headcanon is that to me he will always have blue eyes like the classic games

[hard thistle]

I think it also explains a lot about Davoth, when you consider the idea that he doesn't just look the same as Doomguy, but he's literally the same man, just put in a different scenario.

Davoth is just what you'd get if you dropped Doomguy in early Jekkad. He'd be an immortal demigod who, in his passion to save innocent people, builds a race of machines to help them only to be betrayed. His rage gets the better of him and he transforms Jekkad into Hell.

[hard thistle]

Eh, certain details can change probably.

[obsidian shard]

Did you include it in your Lore Bible?

[elder raven]

i really do like this headcanon, its honestly a bit better but i also feel like the concept of a primeval can be built upon and improved to be like this or something satisfactory

[hard thistle]

Briefly, but not much. I don't want to put too much headcanon in the guide unless it's meant to help players understand something or provide an explanation.

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414608603096158320/1438615399741657169/image.png?ex=6917867f&is=691634ff&hm=a551fe398fad9890bafcfcefad1fe5e72b04222d4a0ba9e4d38c8a8abf20af97&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414608603096158320/1438615400215744603/image.png?ex=6917867f&is=691634ff&hm=ebc3fe05b11c48972eeabf9e182962bdaacaab7d94c3853f7bf430baea9b49b7&
Some excerpts from the Primeval entry. The first one is just the beginning, second one has the Doomguy theory.

[obsidian shard]

Alright that's good! Head canons are pretty good imo, but sometimes they strays too far from Canon, But yours is Exceptional to say the Least!

[hard thistle]

I appreciate it.

[obsidian shard]

Hell yeah dude, Looking forward to it alot!

If you need Any help Proof reading or what not, let me know.

[ionic glade]

I read your entire document and it’s very impressive. Easy to read and follow. Helped out a lot in understanding the insanity of the lore plus welding the events of the all the games together in a nice timeline. So, overall, how strong is the Slayer in your opinion?

[frail bloom]

He can't open a can of beans

He's washed

There you go

[hard thistle]

"Like Captain America on steroids," is what I like to use as a comparison. A very strong superhuman with an unlimited lifespan, but not a God or anything.

Also thanks for the kind words on the guide, I appreciate it.

[frail bloom]

Can he hypothetically respawn in hell forever

And just bust out each time

Kinda broken lol

[hard thistle]

Eh.... I imagine if you asked Hugo he'd say yes, but I personally don't think the games necessarily say that.

[frail bloom]

Say he doesn't die by hells hands

[hard thistle]

I think if Doomguy dies at any point in the modern games, yeah, he shows up in Hell as a zombie, and he'd continue to wreck shit. But I think over time he would ultimately fall victim to the same fate every zombie in Hell does - he would eventually melt into demon biomatter, his soul becoming part of the energy flowing through Hell.

He avoids this fate in The Dark Ages because of Valen's ritual, IMO.

[ionic glade]

Welcome! And thank you for the answer. I always saw him as being incredibly strong but not like multiversal level. It’s his sheer willpower that makes him so dangerous. Like even as a regular human, hell couldn’t corrupt him. It’s part of why I love the Enhanced Ahzrak fight so much. It shows the Slayer has limits but he can overcome them and I think it’s portrayed beautifully through the 3 phases and their cutscenes

[frail bloom]

I thought valens ritual was just a beacon to spawn him where he needs to be, I didn't think that it preserved him too

[green estuary]

was valen's ritual not just meant to give doomguy a marker to show him where to go

[hard thistle]

If somehow a powered-up Slayer were to die from, like, a giant boulder crushing him or he falls down the stairs and hits his neck in the wrong place, or he forgets he's allergic to peanuts - IMO, he'd either "respawn" in Hell just like usual or he'd simply die.

[obsidian shard]

Ehh I cut my finger open on one!

[frail bloom]

I think he'd simply die

[hard thistle]

No, that's what I'm saying. Valen's ritual allowed the Slayer to leave Hell before this would happen to him.

[frail bloom]

Oh so say he busted out without valen's help

[hard thistle]

The process isn't immediate. According to the Codex, before Nekravol it would happen over a very long period of time.

[frail bloom]

He would just die?

Or convert to biomatter

[obsidian shard]

Hugo says this and most answers say yes but it's not entirely clear!

I just go as Ahzrak says "We'll need a more permanent solution"

[hard thistle]

Personally, I don't like the idea of this because I don't like the idea the Slayer can just cheat death whenever he wants. I prefer to believe the Slayer would've been fucked if Valen hadn't done the ritual.
I think if Valen hadn't done the ritual, the Slayer would've just driven the barge into, like, another layer of Hell or something. Or he'd end up back in the mortal realm, but like... as a zombie.

[obsidian shard]

• To Kreed Saying "we should kill him"

[frail bloom]

I getchu

[obsidian shard]

Teir 7 Immortality

[frail bloom]

Adding on to the what you said abt causes of death, if the soayer were to die from some boulder, I think he'd stay dead

[obsidian shard]

Basically

[frail bloom]

Or hmm maybe not

To make a distinction, a normal person would stay dead

[hard thistle]

Yeah, this is how I've always preferred it and I've butted heads with a good deal of powerscaler fans over it. IMO a good story requires at least some level of stakes and if the Slayer could just punch a hole through anything he wants the story would be very stupid.
To me the Slayer's true superpower is his will and his rage. The powers are just a vehicle to express that superpower.

[frail bloom]

But the slayer would go to hell, cuz he has a shard of davoth

[obsidian shard]

His Rage makes basically everything for him

Source of Strength

[ionic glade]

I figured as long as he felt enough rage and purpose, he would find his way out but no telling where he’d end up. Or, like Mono said, he just keep delving deeper into hell fighting endlessly

[hard thistle]

This is what I think yes.

[frail bloom]

But just to make sure, a normal person would just pass on

[hard thistle]

I categorically, firmly refuse to believe people just go to Hell when they die, normally, in Doom. That's stupid. If the Slayer went to Hell when he died, it's because of Davoth's essence.

[frail bloom]

If not then the doom universe is very unfortunate

[hard thistle]

Doom Eternal tells us in the Codex that people specifically go to Hell when a demon kills them. This is from History of the Sentinels.

By Maykr design it was kept secret from the Sentinels and Argent people alike that the essence we had grown so reliant on during this war was comprised of the very spirit of our brothers and sisters who'd fallen to these vile creatures. **The truth had been uncovered, that all beings who found their end by the demonic horde would become a vassal of the Hellscape, their flesh in time twisted into the very demons we fight, their souls extracted to create the Essence that powers their world...and ours. **The victims were the enemy, and the enemy would become us.

[obsidian shard]

Also the Maykrs Say they have their afterlife, although they could be lying but we dont know

[frail bloom]

As long as I ignore what hugo said when someone asked why the slayer went to hell

[hard thistle]

IMO the Maykrs were lying, yeah.

[hard thistle]

That was dumb, yeah.

[frail bloom]

"Uhhhh cuz he kiled a lot of dem demons"

[frosty roost]

makyrs always lie about stuff though honestly

[frail bloom]

"Mass murder it wasn't gud"

[mystic barn]

If we’re to understand the unused concept art correctly, the barge would have led to Limbo. We get a hint of it in Resurrection, but the glowing Slayer’s Mark was our connection back to the Sentinel world

[hard thistle]

This answer stands as a shining, gleaming bastion for why you don't have to listen to everything he says. And this sounds like I dislike the guy, I don't, he sounds like a fucking awesome dude. But I don't like blind appeal to authorial intent. Hugo Martin is a fallible human like everyone else and he's gonna pull answers out of his ass if someone asks a question about his story that he doesn't have in his pocket. It's how people are in general.

Artists are temporary and fallible. Art is eternal, and it is objective. It doesn't change. Hugo can change his mind or make up an answer. The game itself stands solid; what we see is what it is.

[hard thistle]

Ooooh, I kinda like that idea. Maybe he would've just been stuck there forever?
(Could you link the concept art?)

[frail bloom]

To be fair it was very funny

[red peak]

Well I'm pretty sure it says in the lore that they go to Hell to get their souls extracted and turned into Argent, so it'd make sense

[obsidian shard]

All we 100% Know for certainty is the Slayer is a force to be reckoned with

[hard thistle]

Oh it's funny, I just don't like it as a true lore answer.

[obsidian shard]

Bruh

[hard thistle]

Well yes, but that's because demons killed them. Humans only go to hell when demons kill them. Otherwise they just... die.

[mystic barn]

Fuck’s sake https: //www.artstation .com /artwork/P659l4

[hard thistle]

I don't personally think there is a true afterlife in Doom.

[red peak]

Oh-

[frail bloom]

Even if it was somehow true all he's saying is that he went to hell for killing demons which doesn't make sense bc that means someone is deciding it, and if they were benevolent why would he go to hell for doing his job. There's so many layers that go beyond what the story just says

[hard thistle]

(This should not be a sad thought. In fact if anything Doom's themes show you why this is a good thing.)

[frail bloom]

Ye they'll just pass on in some void free of being burned and grinded down to their essence

Pretty good ordeal

[hard thistle]

As opposed to being someone like the Maykrs, who have been alive for so long they've been churning in their own narcissism for millennia and have just... stayed stagnant as a bunch of anemic robot parasites.

[frail bloom]

True

[ionic glade]

I love Hugo, but his answers sometimes just really boil down to rule of cool for Doom. Plus I always figured the shard of Davoth was why he went to hell. Even the Slayer’s Testaments say his soul was tainted beyond ascension

[elder raven]

https://www. instagram.com/p/DM-hk7URDnh/?igsh=eTJqNjB6eXV0ZnBh i hope we get to see this guy in the dlc

[frail bloom]

Sometimes it ain't even rule of cool it's "fack it"

Why not

[elder raven]

stream announced 🚨

[ionic glade]

Also a fair point

[harsh egret]

seems like they are gonna do unreclaimed earth AGAIN + sadistic ripatorium preset

oops pinged wrong person LOL

@green estuary

[obsidian shard]

Yippie

[green estuary]

[obsidian shard]

Cinema?

[harsh egret]

idk what hugo is doin bruh

[green estuary]

Bro does not know when to quit

[harsh egret]

lmao

[obsidian shard]

Let my man be

(my goat)

[green estuary]

He took an hour just to beat the ripatorium encounter that was one level below sadistic

[harsh egret]

6 hour stream inc

[green estuary]

I’ll take it

[red peak]

Whatd he do?

[harsh egret]

ye i really hope it wont be that long lol

[harsh egret]

he is gonna torture himself

[ionic glade]

Overall I loved the Dark Ages story with the only thing bothering me being the Old One. Bro is hyped up before his release, does nothing but eat the slayer, and then goes down like a total pushover. When the Witch basically goes “oh no he’s dead for real, woe is us” I was just like that’s it?!

His resurrection as a weapon for Hell and his codex regarding that process was cool though

[red peak]

Wait nvm lol i couldve just scrolled up a little, sorry

[red peak]

Well tbf, when you destroy a vital organ, youre gonna die no matter how powerful you are, hence the vital part

[green jetty]

wht happend

till i was gone

[hard thistle]

I really love the Hell part of it.

Really, really love the idea that Hell has taken this apparently divine cosmic entity of untold power and reduced it to another big monster for the Slayer to squash. "Stripped of its chaotic divinity."

[red peak]

Is there any chance for the cosmic realm to be a thing later on? Or is it just over since the Old One is dead?

[solar spoke]

Damn, Hugo is going for round two lol. Think he's gonna do unbalanced this time?

[harsh egret]

Also the twitter post says "final ripatorium 2.0 preview" so it could be out next week

[hard thistle]

We know it'll show up in the DLC, but I'll wager it's gone by the time 2016 happens.

[red peak]

Aw, it was so cool tho lol

[elder raven]

i was talking about this yesterday but it seems like the cosmic realm is consumed by hell sooner or later. but, im banking on the idea that other lovecraft gods are in that realm

[harsh egret]

Bruh he cant even play on the balanced one

[elder raven]

i played the unbalanced one there’s no way

[red peak]

Id love it if they made it have some kind of dark age (pun unintended but appreciated lol) which is why it doesnt show up again in Doom 2016 and Eternal

[hard thistle]

I believe I theorized on this. Hang on.

[red peak]

And then there can be a game after Eternal based more around the Cosmic Realm instead of Hell, so we could learn more about it

[warm ibex]

someone needs to update the mod really quickly and make it 4x as easy so they run out of stuff to do and have to play the entire DLC to fill time 👀

[hard thistle]

Evidence in TDA, in my opinion, implies that the Cosmic Realm is suffering from some sort of entropy or heat death. The place is sickly and dying, and the Witch's words don't seem to inspire much confidence:

"The stars bleed... and the void calls."
Ulsamir is desperate to see her God again, and she implies that the pact with Hell will give way to an "age of ascension" for the Cosmic Realm. In my opinion, it seems likely that the Old One was somehow keeping the Cosmic Realm alive, and without it there, the realm is dying.

On top of this, Ulsamir and the Old One are the only known figures of authority in the Cosmic Realm that we know of, and both were betrayed and taken by Hell. At the end of TDA, Ahzrak has resurrected the Old One as a demon bound to Hell's will, and Ulsamir has followed. IMO this could be seen as foreshadowing. To help this comparison, Hell also made a pact with Urdak that lasted eons and they immediately betrayed them as soon as they got the chance during the Urdak level.

[hard thistle]

With this in mind I imagine by the time we reach 2016, the Cosmic Realm has either been absorbed into Hell or it suffered some kind of ontological death and is just gone.

[red peak]

Oh ok

[harsh egret]

I wonder if they are gonna show the updated gore stuff on stream

[red peak]

I still like my idea, but if they dont bring it back i can see why

[frail bloom]

Weird that she's named ulsamir

Take out the ul and it's me

[red peak]

Updated gore??

[frail bloom]

Coincidence, I think not!!

[red peak]

Lol

[hard thistle]

If it means anything my original concept for a post-Eternal Doom game involved Lovecraftian shenanigans, before they revealed The Dark Ages.

[harsh egret]

Yes, some updates to the gore/ragdolls and stuff

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[solid nacelle]

If they're gonna release it this month it might have to be next week, otherwise it'll be December

[red peak]

Oooo

[harsh egret]

Feels alot better and apparently its impossible to go back

[frail bloom]

Idk why I'm hyped abt updated gore but I am

[red peak]

Oh lol

[solid nacelle]

They release their major updates on Thursdays, and the last Thursday of this month is a holiday

[red peak]

Who wouldnt be?

[harsh egret]

Cuz uhh this is Doom

[hard thistle]

I need to find it, but it's been forever. Hang on.

[red peak]

When is it coming out?

[frail bloom]

But he made it sound huge

He emphasized it

[harsh egret]

Nothing is confirmed, maybe they will say today

[frail bloom]

Said it made you feel like thor

[harsh egret]

I suspect early next week tho

[red peak]

Oh ok

[frail bloom]

He's hyping it up big

[red peak]

Whens the stream btw? I've never watched them

[solid nacelle]

2.5 hours from now

[red peak]

What has he said about it?

[red peak]

Where is it?

[harsh egret]

Bethesda youtube and twitch

[hard thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930146039745376259/1204491154348048415/image.png?ex=6917724d&is=691620cd&hm=bf7f5c6978bf818076a81a3abf06092b226181154df58c7661e620bcdcc1eeac&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=852&height=670&

TLDR - you play as the Intern in an Earth-focused sidegame following TAG2. Demons themselves are absent, but the Cultist UAC is still strong and making synthetic demons, and they want to reopen Hell using ancient artifacts the ARC has. The ARC headquarters is invaded and you explore the vast complex in a more Doom 3 styled game, with a focus on progression and open-ended exploration.
The idea had the twist be that the cultists accidentally contact an ancient Lovecraftian realm instead of Hell.

[solid nacelle]

Should be on youtube and twitch

[red peak]

Oh alr

[frail bloom]

Smt smt cooler looking smt smt you feel like a badass, you feel like thor

[harsh egret]

I don't get the "thor" part but

[frail bloom]

He said that

Trust

[solid nacelle]

I wonder if this update will also include sprint swimming

[harsh egret]

Yeah i just dont get what he means

[red peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420207313050009600/1431369450439053353/797343bd8199e96efef4a8cb1ec4c568.gif

[frail bloom]

I guess when thor hits smt it splatters cuz his hammer is super dense

[frail bloom]

Good thought needs to be implemented asap

[harsh egret]

Yh and stuff already does that

But we shall see

[frail bloom]

I'm not sure either

[red peak]

Maybe the sheild has more force behind it so hes comparing it to mjonir

[frail bloom]

You think we'll see it today?

[harsh egret]

Maybe

[frail bloom]

Maybe

[red peak]

Maybe

[solid nacelle]

Perhaps

[green estuary]

If they include the hammer again I’m gonna crash out

[frail bloom]

Ye like that was what he was saying

No I don't think so

I know so

L Katsu he's addin' the hammer

[green jetty]

how did you write this

[hard thistle]

I thought "what would I like in a new Doom game?" and then wrote it down.

[green jetty]

ok im in a othere server ima see you in some time

[strong moth]

I’m super curious to see what he was referring to when he said the DLC had some “metroidvania-like” qualities, with “plenty to do” after you’re finished with the expansion story

[meager vortex]

today stream?

[winter fog]

im curious about the mobility thing hugo said

[boreal coral]

Free code for a skin from Nvidia for Doom the dark Ages : 4EG4-6E4U-Q47F-7EP2-AE4H

[solid nacelle]

Yes

[fervent maple]

I've always wondered if Valen's knife from Eternal ever belonged to Marok

I don't think it'd be an important reveal or anything, but it would add some nice flavor

[warm ibex]

stream starting now

[harsh egret]

[frosty roost]

hellooooo

[obsidian shard]

Howdy Gums! How ya Doing?

[frail bloom]

New bit

[harsh egret]

they are making quake

confirmed

[warm ibex]

the quake jokes hurt my soul

[harsh egret]

hahhaha

[frosty roost]

doing a lot better, suffering with a cough but i'm pushing through it!

[solar spoke]

he really likes to make us suffer lol

[frail bloom]

How is the frankenstein thing the same thing as the slayer "bonding" with thira

Some guy named dustbites with a lack of reading comprehension

[frosty roost]

i don't get it

[frail bloom]

If you read the live chat

You see some ppl chat

It just interests me

[frosty roost]

yeah i see it

[frail bloom]

It's not the same thing at all and everyone knows that

[harsh egret]

oh yes, ripatorium 2.0 next week

[frosty roost]

OHH??

[warm ibex]

most likely, not 100%

[solid nacelle]

Josh being funny with his words

[warm ibex]

remember the SSG fix that was coming "later this week" for like three weeks lol

[harsh egret]

horde i know u wanna make sure about these things but im willing to bet so much lol

[frail bloom]

I hope hato's wrong so he can take this L

[warm ibex]

you get over excited over this stuff a lot, I don't take suggestions as confirmation lol

[harsh egret]

if next week isnt gonna be a preview then its gonna be just playing it, probably community made presets

[frail bloom]

Mine's making it

[harsh egret]

im not

[frail bloom]

I hope so

[frosty roost]

this really makes me wanna play TDA ripatorium now

[harsh egret]

no but when i hear something that sounds to me like a confirmation, then thats what i believe

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-and-wolverine-deadpool-wolverine-daw-dw-gif-5181293058225228297

[frail bloom]

You want a preset?

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/you-will-see-baby-yoda-star-wars-gif-15973635

[warm ibex]

but it wasn't confirmation and you know that lol

[solar spoke]

and it's probably correct too lol

[frail bloom]

Wait so is this the new gore

[harsh egret]

i know what u tryina say but eh fk it, we'll just leave it here lol

[frail bloom]

Or is it not

[frosty roost]

yeah!

[frail bloom]

(5)"Plutonia" loadout:

20 soldiers
10 heated metal shield soldiers
5 unheated metal shield soldiers
5 energy shield soldiers
3 chaingunners
6 imp stalkers
1 nightmare stalker
3 pinky riders
1 arachnotron
3 revenants
2 revenant leaders
1 acolyte leader

[frosty roost]

oh fuck

[frail bloom]

Nah it ain't bad

[frosty roost]

wait what is plutonia?

[frail bloom]

I am agape

Woe is my soul

[frail bloom]

Brass tacks it's a classic doom expansion in the 90's made by expert mappers hired by id

Known for being one of the hardest official expansions to date

Until Legacy of Rust beat it to a pulp

[frosty roost]

ohhhh

@frail bloom respawn count?

[strong moth]

I haven’t tried Legacy of Rust yet. It’s harder than Plutonia?

[frail bloom]

None

[green jetty]

back

[frail bloom]

Ohh yeah

Way harder

[green jetty]

so wht did i miss

[frail bloom]

Nothing I think

[green jetty]

ok

[harsh egret]

well there you go

[frail bloom]

Er, I don't realize a difference

Ngl

[harsh egret]

prob smth u feel more when u play urself

[frail bloom]

Welp

Not what I thought

[solid nacelle]

I think the ragdolls are whats gonna help sell it maybe

[harsh egret]

the ragdolls/physics stuff also isnt there so theres that

[harsh egret]

its not the whole thing yet even

[frail bloom]

Ye it's missing half of the equation

I'll wait

[frosty roost]

time limit?

[frail bloom]

As much as you want

10 min is what I do for all of mine

Breaking news

The dlc is fun

Er ok the hint of the day

Stuff will get you hooked

Balright then

[strong moth]

Like a MEATHOOK reference?

[frail bloom]

No

He said it's hard to play without the new stuff

I used the word hooked

Cuz it hooks your attention

Thank you hugo

[neon perch]

Holy shit he namedropped Mick Gordon.

[frail bloom]

Yes and he said they were all bangers of an ost

[neon perch]

Hugo namedropped Mick on stream I never thought they'd even acknowledge Mick ever.

[frail bloom]

And no one will replace mick he says

Well well well

[neon perch]

I don't understand where he got that people thought 2016's OST was better though all I see is hype for Eternal.

[frail bloom]

He said some people, he was speaking generally

[solid nacelle]

"I could've made something up but we don't do that here"

[neon perch]

Oh I must've misheard then.

[frail bloom]

It's all good

[warm ibex]

I see that opinion decently regularly

[frail bloom]

Should I change my FOV back to the default?

The cosmic baron looks huge on hugo's stream

[frosty roost]

how do i get the ripatorium skin?

[neon perch]

People will say that then quote the same 4 tracks out of 50.

[harsh egret]

complete one encounter on each map

[frail bloom]

Happens for eternal too

[neon perch]

Exactly, so it's like 50/50.

[frail bloom]

So ye it's why he said some y'know

Not all

[neon perch]

I think they're both okay. Some bangers in there.

[frail bloom]

What's your fav in the modern games?

[solar spoke]

Eternal has a fantastic soundtrack and I do prefer most tracks in it but something about the Kadinger Sanctum music just hits different for me

I think the Urdak ambience is underrated too tbh in Eternal

[frail bloom]

Holy crap he mentioned David Levy

[solar spoke]

he's on a composer streak tonight

[rotund rune]

Any news said on the stream?

[harsh egret]

not rly

[frail bloom]

Er a possibility ripatorium 2.0 drops next week

Possibility

[harsh egret]

[rotund rune]

Hum maybe it does maybe it doesn't

[frail bloom]

And the new things in the dlc make it so good that it's hard to play without them

That's abt it

[hushed anchor]

[frosty roost]

@obsidian shard yo jay, need a mancubus ripatorium loadout

[hushed anchor]

Yo wsp guys

[obsidian shard]

What did i miss? Just got back @frail bloom

[frail bloom]

Scroll up a bit you'll see

[obsidian shard]

Its in-progress for Ripatorium 2.0

[frail bloom]

Start here

[frosty roost]

excited to hear it!

[neon perch]

The Marauder is the cooler concept but the Agaddon is the better execution.

[frail bloom]

I think the agaddon looks cooler and has better execution but that's just me

[obsidian shard]

Heard something about Composers, what was that about

[solar spoke]

namedropping composers in the stream

[frail bloom]

He says Mick can't be replaced and is a banger composer, fm made a bangin ost and David Levy's new track is also bangin, they're all bangin composers

[solar spoke]

agreed

[half plaza]

Hugo based as always

[strong moth]

I prefer the Agaddon. The Marauder has such a… real-ooking design compared to the rest of the creatures and I like the more exaggerated look across the rest of Eternal personally

[neon perch]

If the Marauder wasn't a buggy piece of shit half the time and forced you to only attack every green light he would be so much better.

[half plaza]

I'm really glad he took over as the director for the music, it made me happy hearing about how they'd meet with Hugo during the Dark Ages' development

[frosty roost]

I prefer the Agaddon over the marauder any day, I hated the fact that i couldn't stun him most of the time in eternal

[frail bloom]

The komodo takes that trophy

Buggy. As. Hell

[frail bloom]

Who was the director before?

Chad?

[half plaza]

I assume it was Marty

[frail bloom]

Farty*

[half plaza]

Or at least there was limited involvement from Hugo

I need to reread the megadoc from Mick

[frail bloom]

Nice binge read I guess

[indigo sentinel]

When is the story dlc coming

[harsh egret]

cancelled

[frail bloom]

Yup gone

[half plaza]

I've never encountered bugs with the Komodo, i just think he's annoying af to fight

[half plaza]

Never

[indigo sentinel]

No way

[frail bloom]

No dlc

They didn't make enough money from sales

Cuz of raytracing, so it's cancelled

[half plaza]

Yup

[indigo sentinel]

Wow man

[frail bloom]

And also cuz it was on gamepass

[indigo sentinel]

Didn’t know ah that’s unfortunate

[frail bloom]

Very.

[frosty roost]

wait what happened??

[half plaza]

Nothing

[frail bloom]

Nothing

[obsidian shard]

literally

[half plaza]

We're baiting people because nobody seems to be patient enough to just wait for a trailer

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

Nuh uh

[frosty roost]

OH LMAO

[frail bloom]

Let's be honest my reasoning was pretty good

[half plaza]

Yes it was

[frail bloom]

We should say that everytime someone asks

[frosty roost]

I was presuming it was bait but i had to ask

[frail bloom]

For the heck of it

[solar spoke]

Nothing, he's pulling everyone's legs lol

[frosty roost]

found another bug

[frail bloom]

It's fun

[indigo sentinel]

Lmao I was asking for information

[frail bloom]

Bit late to respond but he runs over your face too much, and unlike the marauder he takes up soooo much space. He's an obese marauder with rng fireballs and I don't care for it

[half plaza]

If there's no announcement then we don't know anything

[frail bloom]

Assuming you watch and consume doom content, you will 90% get a dlc trailer in your feed

[half plaza]

I just don't like the way he runs across the battlefield

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/iasip-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-dennis-reynolds-it's-the-implication-doesn't-look-good-gif-7712425031502926545

[half plaza]

And does like, 1 tick of damage if you get in their way

[frail bloom]

He's literally the marauder but takes up quadruple the space

Fat ass crack addicted lizard

[half plaza]

I'd honestly prefer Pinky treatment where he fucking bodyslams you and makes you concussed

I miss the Pinkies...

[solar spoke]

You know who else takes up quadruple the space?

[frail bloom]

We got pinkey jockies now

[frail bloom]

Kreed

[half plaza]

PINKY JOCKEY ‼️

[solar spoke]

need a Kreed Muscle Man edit

[frosty roost]

samir i need that emote

[frail bloom]

Ye it's on the official discord

[strong moth]

My biggest issue with the Komodo is when he’s running AWAY from me to reposition, and he sorta can’t decide where he wants to stand, and does these little side straddle hops back and forth breaking my line of sight

[frail bloom]

And his fat ass takes up an acre

I hate him

I'm talking abt the komodo btw incase someone just waltz's in here with no context

[harsh egret]

Samir @ me if anything important is said cuz im heading to bed

im dead tired

[frail bloom]

I'll try

Gn

[frosty roost]

gn hato

[harsh egret]

gngn

[solid nacelle]

Lots more timer options for ripatorium

[obsidian shard]

GN goat, may your dreams Be filled with Plenty of DOOM

[green estuary]

hugo crashing out lmao

[frail bloom]

Lol I'm here for it

[next thistle]

Hugo phoning a friend 😂😂😂

[supple mortar]

My dearest Night Sentinels, let us allow ourselves a moment of grief for future Steam Machine owners that will be deprived the honor of waging war against Hell for their CPU does not match the minimum requirements demanded by Doom TDA.

[frail bloom]

But the steamdeck does?

Funny

[supple mortar]

Weird to say the least.

Because yeah, people are somehow running TDA on Steam Deck, which makes no sense. And yet Steam Machine's requirements are clear, it's CPU is not enough.

Very Confucius.

[frail bloom]

It's verified too

[supple mortar]

This only baffles me further.

I saw someone running Oblivion's remaster on the Deck at 30fps stable.

I mean: HOW?

[frail bloom]

Idk I ain't knowledgeable

[supple mortar]

Me neither

I suspect a demonic pact is involved. Gotta take apart a Deck and see if there any unholy runes in it.

[solar spoke]

Valve wizardry at work

[neon perch]

Josh wanted to eat me.

See you at HR tomorrow.

[green estuary]

rocket jumping in TDA just feels so right man

[cobalt fog]

Any new dlc news?

[elder raven]

quake fans not gonna be happy about this one

[elder raven]

who dlc

[strong moth]

I think the DLC got delayed

[green estuary]

how come
if anything, they should be happy

[solar spoke]

damn, HR's been in overtime over the past 2 weeks lol

[solar spoke]

we're being tortured with Quake tbh

we just need another little game lol

alright, no unreclaimed earth. Hugo's just too angry at Ripatorium

[neon perch]

'Ground Fissure is garbage, I don't know why that's in the game'.

• Hugo Martin.

[green estuary]

he a hater fr

[solar spoke]

he's bad mouthing my favourite rune

[green estuary]

because ground fissure is actually pretty good

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[cerulean pagoda]

vergils Schum as the notification sound is so peak lmao

[obsidian shard]

It's my second favorite (Behind Auto-Turret)

[cerulean pagoda]

gets my attention every time even for hugos stream

[solar spoke]

a "f#ck you dude" for every acolyte lol

[cerulean pagoda]

ground fissure isnt good

in my opinion

daggers are much better

[elder raven]

daggers and the lightning are the best ones

1. daggers and 2. lightning: interchangable
2. turret
3. fissure

[strong moth]

Lightning and Fissure are my go to

[green estuary]

holy swarm and heaven splitter are just OP, plain and simple

ground fissure is strong, but of course if you compare it with the two options that either immobilize an entire arena or deal cartoonish amounts of damage, of course it's worse

[solar spoke]

Hugo has some superhero-level determination with this encounter

[elder raven]

he isnt making that trip to the bar

[cerulean pagoda]

daggers can obliterate a fellow demon in seconds

[solar spoke]

Think everyone's gonna be wondering "where's Hugo" and he's just gonna be tron digitising Nick into the game out of rage or something

[cerulean pagoda]

there was htis one leader in ressurection that got absolutely obliterated by holy swarm and an ssg cancel+punchcancel SSG shot in an instant

i never feel like switching away from daggers

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-the-lord-of-the-rings-lord-of-the-rings-saruman-christopher-lee-gif-21318328

hugo’s gonna be doing this shit to curse the entire dev team solely because of nick’s faults

[green estuary]

yeah this game has good gun balance but it has terrible melee/rune balance

[strong moth]

I wish I could use flail without feeling like I’m purposely gimping myself

[warm ibex]

Did no one else catch the spear teleport comment

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[elder raven]

what

im not in the stream rn

[solar spoke]

did, very... interesting.

[mystic barn]

Interesting...

[cerulean pagoda]

all true children of the dark ages know it, the flail kills all who touch it(god of war 3 reference)

the flail sucks they need to make it deal damage

[solar spoke]

well, that was a fun stream

[elder raven]

loved it

[warm ibex]

Here's my stream notes, not as eventful tonight but great info regardless.

"Ripatorium 2.0 will likely release next week. Next Hugo stream will be playing it instead of previewing it.

Improved physics will seemingly be coming through a tunable since it’s a more recent improvement.

Integral features coming in the DLC will be so incredible that you simply can’t play without after getting used to.

Huge Ripatorium time limit selection increase. Includes 1min, 3min, 5min, 8min, 10min, 13min, 15min, 18min, 20min

“Interesting, good comment” was Hugo’s reaction to Midnight’s “SPEAR TELEPORT HUGO COME ON” comment. That’s probably the mechanic."

@harsh egret

[elder raven]

teleporting? idk, but im hyped either way

i was hoping for a battle axe like the one novik had or a greatsword but ill take a spear anyday

[meager vortex]

bruce lee+doom slayer=demons is all dead

[elder raven]

maybe the spear will be a thrown melee weapon like the shield, and you can teleport to where you threw it at maybe into a node made for a spear

or throw it into demon, teleport in front of them and shoot them but the shield dash exists so probably not

[warm ibex]

yeah a spear teleport seems super redundant on the surface but I might be thinking too small

[strong moth]

I was thinking of a gap closer, a dash perhaps, for the purpose of moving across gaps in their environmental puzzles. Mechanically it does seem redundant tho

[solar spoke]

maybe spears that detonate in an AOE stun attack when you charge at an enemy embedded with one?

[frail bloom]

I think he's joking

*yeah the spear makes you teleport"

How is that gonna work in exploration?

Sometimes he's playing with us

[warm ibex]

playing with us sounds identical to real teasers

everything is worth noting

[frail bloom]

Ye quake is comin guys

Mark your calendar

[warm ibex]

the difference is we know that's a joke

we don't know anything about the dlc or what any of the mechanics do

[frail bloom]

I think this one is a joke too the word interesting is kinda a meme now

Just my opinion

[warm ibex]

could also be hinting at the spear in general and not the teleportation part, we have absolutely no idea

[frail bloom]

True

[mystic barn]

I don't know if this has been brought up by anyone else, but the Atlans have spears in Eternal. Is it more likely that the Atlan combat has been expanded upon and a spear is part of your permanent arsenal now?

[warm ibex]

that's absolutely possible!

the generally negative reception towards atlan combat makes me feel like any significant changes aren't as likely, but I could see them adding an atlan spear as a permanent ability

[cerulean pagoda]

imagine if we are gonna see the doom slayer screaming like dante using cerberus nunchucks revolver on the demons lol

[scenic lichen]

does anyone know how much dmg a blood sacrifice rocket does vs a cooked rocket

[green estuary]

regular rockets deal 1000 direct + 4k-5k splash, blood sacrifice deals the same direct but 4.5k-6.5k splash

in terms of self-damage, regular rockets deal up to 50, and blood sacrifice rockets deal up to 75

a cooked rocket deals the same splash as a normal rocket but direct damage is jacked up to 12k

[scenic lichen]

thanks katsu

whats more worth using tho?

cooked or blood sacrifice

i currently use cooked against cacos/vagaries

[green estuary]

it's situational
I use blood sacrifice for the extra heal, but most arenas have plenty of projectile parries, so cooked is generally stronger

[manic elk]

if anyone wants the Onyx skin heres a code i accidently redeemed

4HK2-7Y8Q-R49M-3MN4-NB4R

[brittle finch]

I’d love to see a modern Quake game

[drifting jasper]

the dark ages is pretty good

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[solar cairn]

Physics?

Moving demons or what?

[obsidian shard]

My brother and i were talking and thinking of a Portible Flesh node!

aka
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1438777667821375579/DTDA_Flesh_Node.jpg?ex=69181d9f&is=6916cc1f&hm=8604151f4a0e27e4d7f7981515dc76620e14c85cea4b98bede6acbb73c04f043&

[obsidian shard]

BAsicaly you stick the spear in a wall or surface and you can Leap to it like a Flesh Node!

[meager vortex]

just like super shot gun from doom eternal

[harsh egret]

Ty, interesting for sure...

[neon perch]

Am I the only one who thought this was Olivia Pierce.

[solar cairn]

She wasn’t born then

[neon perch]

I'm saying I thought it had a resemblance.

[worldly hemlock]

Anyone knows how to solucionate the Berserk trophie?

It is bug

[primal fossil]

hi fellas, i was given a code to a skin called slayer onyx smth by nvidia since i dont play the game thought i would give it out lemme know if you want it

[solar cairn]

++ i need

[primal fossil]

i will send u a dm with the code in it

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[primal fossil]

redeemed the code just accept the friend request ur dms are closed

[winter fog]

whats up everybody !!

[solar cairn]

Accepted

[primal fossil]

enjoy bye 👋🏼

[wide siren]

damn that was pretty good for the last stream ever

hope the lawyers go easy on josh and hugo

[solar cairn]

I want more skins, of course, but my favorite ones are the butcher and the reward for the Ripatorium

[solid nacelle]

I would be rocking legionary if it wasn't locked to that 5090 bundle

But I did get onyx and that one is very nice

[harsh egret]

this is so sad, can we get 50 likes

[solar cairn]

Does Hugo stream from the studio or from home?

[harsh egret]

studio

[zinc jacinth]

Need help learning how to do quick switching

Any tips, or videos?

[random sand]

Can't quick switch in the dark ages

[slender night]

Ghost ping?

[zinc jacinth]

I've seen gameplay videos doing it

Granted, it's not to the same extent as Eternal, but the switching it still quick

[random sand]

It was patched. Not possible anymore

[zinc jacinth]

Damn, welp

[wheat sigil]

if you shield bash, or melee while holding block, you'll apply some sort of fast swap effect to your weapons

then you can just quick swap, and completely cancel the ssg cooldown for switching out of it

the effect will disappear if you stop shooting

[zinc jacinth]

oh damn

[mortal plinth]

ive been experimenting in the ripatorium, heres a wave i made

[harsh egret]

lmao, that was a funny time to play the game

[mortal plinth]

30 zombies
6 stone imps

6 imp stalkers
3 nightmare imps
1 acolyte

1 Komodo champ
1 Agaddon champ
1 Vagary champ

[harsh egret]

lmao sorry :d

[mortal plinth]

all good aha, for anyone who wants to give it a go

[harsh egret]

man i cant wait for ripatorium 2.0

gonna be fun

[mortal plinth]

yes same, ive been brainstorming 5 waves, this will be the last one

[harsh egret]

i plan to do first round something small but still engaging to warm up with, and im gonna have 1 or 2 sorta just fun/meme rounds in between the others that will be more challenging

sometimes i wish i could do 20 chaingunners or smth in one round

[random sand]

True

[mortal plinth]

for me the first round is sorta chill, then second is a bit worse then last 3 are hectic with the champions

[solar cairn]

In TDA, it works as if by default, but you can still speed it up, as written below

[zinc jacinth]

oki

[solar cairn]

Samir will set 99 presets a second after the release

[harsh egret]

ye thats about what i expect

99 entries into making it on the community made ripatoriums in game wont beat one single try from me

[obsidian shard]

Also the Royale Atlan Expansion is KS Exlusive!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1438941351482757261/73ab049d33e2cecb88101ae1234a91c2_original.png?ex=6918b610&is=69176490&hm=7951836ba1acd374fa1f9b1edcdab5f9b0799eacc42557bc46cb968a7d4b29f3&

Also appears to be 2 seperate models

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

[obsidian shard]

Clarification! One of them is the old Sculpt!

[red peak]

I just realised theres text in the red box but I cant read it cause my Discord's theme is set to midnight

[obsidian shard]

lmao

[red peak]

I can read it if I'm replying tho lol- theres a Doom boardgame?

[obsidian shard]

Yup Kickstarter has been up for 2 and half weeks now!

Ends next week!

[red peak]

Oh cool

[obsidian shard]

https://www. kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/doom-arena-board-game?ref=4uoesa

Theres a 93 and TDA version!

[harsh egret]

when was it again

[obsidian shard]

Friday November 21st at 12 pm PST

[harsh egret]

ty, hopefully i dont forget

u think they are gonna add more exclusives now?

from now on i mean

[obsidian shard]

Possibly? Im unsure, I think it just depends on the Stretch Goals

[harsh egret]

hm, well either way ill just wait until the 20th or smth

[frosty pine]

Am I tweaking or did they change the final encounter in reckoning

I remember it having all 3 champions but when I replayed it yesterday I only got the vagary

[solid nacelle]

It was only ever the vagary champion

[fleet spruce]

get outta here with ads

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/get-tf-out-get-out-zimba-lion-king-monkey-gif-1461417101263154936

[frosty pine]

Ah right

Honestly facing all three does sound more fitting

Maybe not all at once but having a gauntlet of them would be cool

Also noticed another bug

[solid nacelle]

Maybe if they do a master level for it

[frosty pine]

Difficulty changes won’t save

[harsh egret]

i never understand this
if ur a professional in smth why are u advertising urself in random discords

"professional VRchat game avatar creator"

[frosty pine]

I.e if I switch a hmp save to UV it’ll stay as HMP

idk if this has been mentioned a lot already

[frosty pine]

Does anyone even use vr chat now

I only ever hear about it occasionally and it’s never good

[unkempt dragon]

Ping @ moderators next time instead of posting mod gifs please. Those don't notify us.

[mystic barn]

I only know of VRChat through Proximity. “BECAUSE I HAVE PHANTOM PAIN” is one of the funniest things I’ve seen this year

[frail bloom]

Ah so you admit defeat

Finally, some closure

[harsh egret]

"99 entries into making it on the community made ripatoriums in game wont beat one single try from me "

[frail bloom]

Tbh the wording is weird so I just glanced over that

You're saying not a single one is gonna make it huh

Rich.

[harsh egret]

exactly

[frail bloom]

We shall see, we shall see

Except I'm obv gonna dominate the market

No question

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-meme-truth-lie-gif-9021535758661504197

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[frail bloom]

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-here-come-the-hallucinations-patchy-the-pirate-spongebob-squarepants-hallucinations-ai-gif-9231606196116646938

It was only ever the Vagary as a champion

[half marlin]

because you have WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/venom-snake-walk-mgsv-mgs-mgs5-gif-27690753

[frail bobcat]

Does the game have enemies from Legacy of Rust besides the Tyrant

[mystic barn]

No

[frail bobcat]

Nuts

Missed opportunity imo

[reef zodiac]

Greetings! Is the Dark Ages expected to get a Nintendo Switch 2 release in the future?

[uneven dragon]

The arachnotron looks and behaves just like the Mindweaver (red eyes and uses a chaingun now)

so I'd say Yes Sort Of

[frail bobcat]

Well that's a plus

[grim cloud]

miss any good tidbits on yesterday stream? i was flying back from vegas and too tired to watch

[obsidian shard]

Ripatorium will be released within the next week

Hugo talked about all the Composers (Including Mick) and how they have All created bangers!

That's about it!

[neon perch]

YT when I play a video on Discord.

[fleet spruce]

Thank god I get no ads because I'm from Russia

[frail bloom]

Nah nah you forget:

Hugo said the new stuff in dlc is hard to play without

So clearly it's addicting

[obsidian shard]

And Josh said the M word

(Mancubus)

[frail bloom]

Gasp

[grim cloud]

mick was acknowledge? great to hear

[obsidian shard]

Yup! Hugo said Mick was Irreplaceable!

[frail bloom]

W Hugo

[obsidian shard]

And that Finishing Move, David Levy and Andrew Hulshult made Banging soundtracks that all deserve love!

So you know pretty peak

[grim cloud]

well as good as the other guys were, Mick is still leagues above everyone. it isn't a fair comparison imo

[frail bloom]

Yes it is

Cuz opinion

[grim cloud]

yah opinion, subjective

[frail bloom]

Uh huh

[obsidian shard]

Hugo said Mick was Irreplaceable for a reason

Still my favorite is TDA's OST

[frail bloom]

Irreplaceable doesn't mean better

I like eternal's ost more but I'm not here saying it's better

[obsidian shard]

Precisely

[grim cloud]

2016 OST is the best IMO, but Eternal OST is missing some of my favorite songs

[frail bloom]

It just has a special place at a special time

[obsidian shard]

In the end each one is Banging and Awesome

[frail bloom]

And that's all that matters

That being said

[fleet spruce]

true, instead of fighting we should embrace the awesomeness they brought

[frail bloom]

Who here has been tracking fm on their socials?

[obsidian shard]

Yes sir

[frail bloom]

Anything interesting?

[grim cloud]

cant forget about bobby prince

the TRUE GOAT

[frail bloom]

No one has but we're talking abt modern composers

So that excludes aubrey aswell

And trent reznor

And of course Bobby prince the godfather

[grim cloud]

i guess im too old, that all feels modern to me

[frail bloom]

Y'know what we mean by modern

The soft reboots

[grim cloud]

how is the guy that did TAG music again?

[frail bloom]

Who you mean

[obsidian shard]

Andrew and David are doing Great!

[grim cloud]

is that on OST?

[frail bloom]

Duh

[obsidian shard]

On YouTube

[frail bloom]

Their work is considered

[mystic barn]

No, there is not OST for TAG

[grim cloud]

oh, i want it on my library, maybe some day

[frail bloom]

Oh you mean that

[obsidian shard]

Listening to Andrew right now actually lol 😂

[frail bloom]

No but I love them the same

[grim cloud]

i was able to the the DE OST after some trouble shooting a few months ago

[frail bloom]

So they deserve to have an official ost

[obsidian shard]

Agreed

[frail bloom]

Don't know why id just decided "no" on it

[frosty pine]

I am wondering who’s doing the dlc

[grim cloud]

but like i said eariler, it is still missing TAG and a few of the vanilla campaign tracks

[mystic barn]

Finishing Move

[obsidian shard]

From the sounds it's Finishing Move again, But no confirmation yet (I do hope it's them)

[frosty pine]

Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Andrew want to do TDA but was too busy with the iron lung movie?

[obsidian shard]

Yup!

[frosty pine]

Oh yeah I wouldn’t mind finishing move again at all

[frail bloom]

If they include a legacy of rust segment I think I'll pass of a heart attack

[frosty pine]

They’re great

[mystic barn]

The Collector’s Edition OST? It shouldn’t be missing anything from the base campaign (outside of a few stems)

[grim cloud]

there is track in Mars Core (lots of base) at the end of the level that isn't on the ost, at least from what i can find

[obsidian shard]

SGN?

(Super Gore nest)

[grim cloud]

no Mars Core, it played a few times at certain points,

you can find it on youtube

[mystic barn]

Much to the chagrin of Mick Gordon, every single track produced for DOOM Eternal is on the Collector’s Edition OST. This includes music that went unpaid. I promise you, it’s on there

[grim cloud]

but on the OST, it cuts off that part

[mystic barn]

It’s just that some stems are cut from specific suites for runtime. Same thing with FM TDA OST

[grim cloud]

when i get hoem from work, ill post it and we can find out

[frail bloom]

Has anyone heard of "the skeleton world" from legacy of rust

Best final level theme in doom.

[grim cloud]

but in not giong to blast Mick Gordon in my work office right now

[frail bloom]

I kinda hoped more ppl would know abt
Legacy of rust

Especially the soundtrack

Anyone heard of Bonk

[fleet spruce]

yeah

a nice track for a rude awakening

honestly soundtrack is incredible in Legacy of Rust

I'm halfway through the BTSX ep 2 and soundtrack is great here as well

[mystic barn]

They’re All Going to Laugh at You is by far the best track

[uneven dragon]

wasn't Doom Hunted left off?

[mystic barn]

Nope

Some stems from in-game may not have made it, but that track IS there

In fact, the only reason the community calls it DOOM Hunted is because that track is titled the same thing in the CE OST

[uneven dragon]

including tracks that didn't actually need to exist 😭 cough cough You Can't Just Shoot a Hole into the Surface of Mars

[mystic barn]

We already had our BFG Division reference in the Urdak suite. Harping on it with 3 or 4 different tracks is just ridiculous

[uneven dragon]

im glad bfg division 2020 exists because of that one mix on youtube that uses the beginning of that track very well but it really didn't need to be in YCJSAHITSOM

especially given that track is like . the worst mix ever 😭

literal audible popping in the hayden voiceline

[frail bloom]

I disagree "skeleton world" gang here

[mossy sapphire]

dark ages is peak 😄

[cerulean pagoda]

i was trying to get used to 130% speed again but it felt like i was underwater, changed it back to 150% and did a playthrouhg on that

punch cancelling with the impaler is OP

shreds throuhg every enemy like cake

[cerulean pagoda]

agreed it is, one of my all time favourites

[solid beacon]

Dark ages mod support like eternal mix with doom 3 i like

[cerulean pagoda]

official mod support would be sick for TDA

[harsh egret]

iirc it was confirmed that it will come eventually from someone at quakecon

i think @grim cloud someone from id told u that right?

[topaz oasis]

is this a thing or it's just midnight being midnight? https://imgur.com/a/X0nzHOY

[warm ibex]

compilation of news and info from the past four hugo streams, as far as I can tell

[topaz oasis]

so it's midnight being midnight, got it

[warm ibex]

I don't really see the problem

I think we've reached a point where midnight has made an effort to do better but the community is still stuck in 2020/2021

[random sand]

I still don't get the hate for midnight. Maybe there's something i've missed but he seems like a reasonable guy who just loves doom to me

[topaz oasis]

I'd rather not be clickbaited

[frail bloom]

Same with mayo

It's essential ppl crap on him before a convo or smt

[random sand]

Eh. I know the type of videos he makes and the type of thumbnails he makes so it doesn't bother me. I know he uses the word "disgusting" in a positive manner

[warm ibex]

his clickbait started to reach an absurd point around 2020/2021, he made several apology videos and got into a little drama with cynic, then made an actual effort to change (and has done a lot better for the most part)

[random sand]

Clickbait sucks but is it worth the shit i've seen this dude get? I wouldn't say so

[frail bloom]

Speaking of the latest vid, has hugo said anything abt maroks death in the dlc or nothing yet. I'm assuming he said nothing although I remember hearing smt abt him not dying but I'm not sure

[warm ibex]

I wouldn't say so either

[warm ibex]

he said they won't be doing Marok's death or the Slayer's entombment

[frail bloom]

I think midnight missed on that part lol

[warm ibex]

since that would conclude the medieval saga and they'd like to do more

[frail bloom]

Someone go tell him lmao

[random sand]

That's like very late/early 2016 doom is it not? That seems like it'll be saved for another time

[frail bloom]

Cuz he thinks marok is gonna die in the dlc

[warm ibex]

slayer's defeat and entombment? that's at the very end of the medieval saga. technically after it, since it happens while he's trapped in hell

[frail bloom]

Is maroks death before or during the civil war?

Anyone know

[warm ibex]

I don't think it's confirmed

[random sand]

Yeah. I forget how he was even defeated. Didn't they drop a fucking temple on his ass or sum?

[warm ibex]

yeah lol

[frail bloom]

(Do you have the source for the former btw)

[warm ibex]

yeah but it'll take some digging, I'll look for it here in a sec

[frail bloom]

Thank you king

[random sand]

I'm sure that temple did alot but i wonder how that managed to defeat the doom slayer. With all that strength of his, must've been a big temple

[frail bloom]

I imagine it to be like 500+ meters tall

Just colossal

And like super heavy

[warm ibex]

"Yet as the mighty Titan fell and dread engulfed the armies of Doom, the demon priests of the Blood Temples laid a trap to capture this scourge of Hell. Insatiable, even by the vanquishing of the Great One, the Hell Walker sought prey in the tombs of the Blood Keep. And blinded by his fervor, the lure drew him in. The priests brought down the temple upon the Doom Slayer, and in his defeat entombed him in the cursed sarcophagus. The mark of the Doom Slayer was burned upon his crypt, a warning to all of Hell that the terror within must never be freed. There he lies still, and ever more, in silent suffering."

that's all we know about it

[random sand]

It'd have to be. Otherwise he'd just lift it off

[frail bloom]

I don't remember where I got this from but it's made out of some obsidian no?

Where did I get that from

[random sand]

This says basically nothing. All it says is they dropped a temple on his ass😭

[frail bloom]

Every time I think of the blood temples I think of obsidian

Noooo idea why

[frail bloom]

Well it says there's tombs in it

So it must be rather large

I'm guessing like huge tunnels

Like those catacombs under paris or smt

Correct me if I'm wrong

[random sand]

What's even more interesting is this temple did not kill him. It knocked him out. Had it killed him, he would've gone to the harbor of souls and escaped to the mortal world again

[frail bloom]

I don't think we'll ever see it happen but would be cool to have a visual of this blood temple, as a vista

I imagine it really tall

[random sand]

I do hope we eventually see it. It'll be interesting to see how they do it

[frail bloom]

Actually I had a discussion earlier this week and some of us think that the slayer, without valen's help, might almost never leave hell or if he does he remains a zombie

Valen's ritual is not only a beacon but may preserve the slayer

Otherwise think abt it he can respawn forever with no consenquences

[random sand]

Idk about that. My theory is the ritual was the faster way of doing it but there were other ways too

[frail bloom]

I just don't lean into that theory anymore bc the slayer could just respawn forever

I feel like him surviving death is a huge deal not his normal tuesday

[random sand]

I don't see why he can't. The dude's strong asf after all. Takes a god to even kill the mf

[frail bloom]

Not bc he can't but bc it would make the stakes less impactful

"Ah he can just respawn no worries"

[random sand]

We've already seen what this guy is capable of and we've seen this guy enter and leave hell multiple times and we've seen him get ressurected. If anything, stakes are out the window with him

[frail bloom]

If you choose to believe that he can respawn forever then yes. But I think that if he dies, he has to fight through multiple layers of hell, and would be broken down at some point. I think Valen's ritual served more then just a beacon, it made sure the slayer didn't break down or remain in limbo forever

@warm ibex came up with the theory he can explain it a bajillion times better then I can

No wait it was m0no

[warm ibex]

I think that was @hard thistle

yeah

[frail bloom]

Sorry horde

[warm ibex]

you're good lol

[solar spoke]

I think Hugo said that the ritual has linked the slayer to the sarcophagus to some degree since it seems to be the only thing capable of containing him for an indefinite period of time. Don't quote me but I think he said it in the resurrection stream a few weeks ago

[solid beacon]

Doom 3 game persective
Gaurdian of hell titan image.

[random sand]

One of the key factors about the doom slayer tho is the fact that his will is unbreakable. He won't stop fighting no matter what so idk if that holds up

[frail bloom]

@hard thistle would you mind talking abt valens ritual and how it has more impact on the slayer's resurrection then just being some beacon

[frail bloom]

Well he won't stop fighting but that doesn't mean you're invincible it means your will is unbreakable

What it means is that he will never give up

Otherwise this guy can solo fiction

[random sand]

Indeed. And with his stamina, he won't ever slow down

[random sand]

Some would say he can but those guys get a bit carried away with it

[frail bloom]

Idk just my two cents

What is objective

Doom guy is cool

[random sand]

True

[strong moth]

Has anyone talked about the Capsule Collection Wave 2? I seem to remember one of the announcement reveals being a sweet stone wash shirt with The Old One on it, and that’s the one I want. But I don’t know if/when that’s gonna drop. Does anyone have any idea?

[warm ibex]

I believe wave two depends on how well wave one sold. So if they met internal goals then I'd imagine the Old One shirt will come out at some point

[harsh egret]

A couple of the stuff from Wave 1 is sold out

also seems like they still sell them even though they said they would be gone a couple weeks ago iirc

still sad they didnt release on the international store, wouldve copped the tshirts at least

[hard thistle]

The Slayer woke up in Hell by himself, sure, but Valen's ritual is what actually got him back to Argent D'Nur.
Doom Eternal's Codex tells us what happens to zombies stuck in Hell, and it is not good. If Valen hadn't done his ritual the Slayer would have been fucked.

Hell's victims are stuck to languish in Hell for years, roaming the Hellscape until eventually their bodies degrade into demon biomatter and their souls leak into pools of Hell's Essence. They are damned. The Slayer would have been able to fight in Hell, sure, but he would have eventually degraded like this. Nothing suggests he would be immune to this fate.

[hard thistle]

Yeah, his will won't mean much if he turns into a pile of demon goop with no soul.

[random sand]

He died and didn't do that tho. He kept all his strength. Hell, even his super shotgun came with him

[hard thistle]

As I said, this happens over time, not immediately.

The Slayer waking up in Hell is not special. Everyone killed by demons does that. The Slayer fights his way out because that's just how he is. But he would've been stuck in Hell if not for Valen, and he would have eventually degraded until he could no longer fight.

I would also wager even if there were another way to get back to Argent D'Nur himself, he would stay a zombie, and that likely would not be good.

[random sand]

I remember hearing someone say because doom slayer has some of the dark lord's power, that doesn't affect him

[hard thistle]

They are making things up, then. Nothing says this.

[random sand]

Is there anything that says what you're saying?

[hard thistle]

Doom Eternal's Codex, yes. Check the "Fuel the Eternal Flame" entries, which describe the fates of Hell's victims before Nekravol was established.

Specifically:

The victim is left to maunder in the shadow land for years uncounted, where over ageless time they transform into demon. During their nightmarish journey the ethereal soul slowly drains from the body, and in that dark realm the substance of mortal life is manifest as matter. It gathers in pools of volatile aura found all over Hell. Demon-kind call these pools the Well, and use them to invigorate themselves for battle.
From Fuel the Eternal Flame - Part I.

[strong moth]

Appreciate it! I hope they do well and I can get more stuff lol

[hard thistle]

The Slayer waking up in Hell isn't too special other than the fact he did it after dying in the Cosmic Realm, when it should normally happen after being killed by a demon. But you can argue this is because of a connection to Hell or whatever, Davoth bullshit. But him actually going there is something that happens to many mortals. What makes him special is having the will to keep fighting. But it is heavily implied that Valen's ritual is what allowed him to leave the Harbor entirely. Either that is what got him to "limbo" or it is what him out of "limbo" and to the Slayer's Mark.

[warm ibex]

Don't take this at face value since I can't remember Hugo's exact quote, but I'm pretty sure he stated that the Slayer still would've escaped Hell even without Valen's ritual. The ritual just brought him back to Argent D'Nur specifically

[frail bloom]

A hugo classic

[random sand]

Says it can take eons before it happens. Now i know time is weird in hell, but even if Valen wasn't there, it wouldn't surprise me if doom slayer could find another way out before this happened. Also, from what i read it doesn't mention if it's any different with the doom slayer which i honestly find odd. He's human sure but he ain't no regular one. The Khan Myakr calls him immortal. It's odd it's not mentioned what happens if he stays in there

[hard thistle]

Ehhh. I wouldn't be surprised if he said that, but Hugo likes to hype up the Slayer without much thought to what the actual Codex files and cutscenes say. If you're the type to accept what he says, then sure.

But Hugo really does just say shit sometimes.

[hard thistle]

The immortal line could moreso refer to lifespan. The Slayer can definitely die. But he has an infinite lifespan, i.e. it is likely he cannot die of old age.

[warm ibex]

That quote comes from either Chapter Five or Six, but I honestly don't want to sit through like two hours of old stream footage just to find the specific timestamp

[random sand]

This is correct. However, he still holds some of the dark lord's power. Making him a special boi

[hard thistle]

I can buy that the Slayer could have escaped Hell on his own, but I dislike the idea that him dying would just have zero negative consequences. The ritual seems to be what turned him back into a human instead of a zombie, and from what we see of Hell zombies they are... not in good condition. I think he would have degraded somehow either way.

[frail bloom]

Does anyone know Midnights tag I have smt to tell him

[mystic barn]

He may have escaped Hell on his own, but I don’t think he could have gotten out of Limbo without help

[hard thistle]

I'm leaning towards this answer. From what little we saw of "Limbo" it didn't seem like the kind of place you can just punch your way out of.