the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

Or boss levels

[harsh egret]

im not counting boss levels (unless it smth like sentinel prime)

[frail bloom]

Oh.

Bro

[obsidian shard]

then TAG had 7 levels

[frail bloom]

6-8

[harsh egret]

give me another sentinel prime boss level that shit was peak

[frail bloom]

I'm going with 8

[harsh egret]

imagine that with tda's graphics and stuff

[frail bloom]

Final stand

[obsidian shard]

Words

Anyways

[harsh egret]

yee, that was a fun stream and im excited for the ripatorium 2.0 update 🔥

[obsidian shard]

It was great

Best of Luck tomorrow to Finishing Move (Brian L, Brian T, Jay W and @keen glade) on a Grammy Nomination! Wishing you guys the Best!!

[mossy geyser]

I fucking love tda’s gfx. Really made the game feel like a fucking throwback

[harsh egret]

yep, pure cinema of a game man

[unkempt dragon]

I can't get over the screengrabs from today hahahha. I had to.

[harsh egret]

we need that second one as an emote here i swear

[unkempt dragon]

haha omg

I took them from my phone and the stream moved so fast so it turned out a bit blurry

[obsidian shard]

It makes it better

[harsh egret]

the low quality makes it good yeah

[unkempt dragon]

lol

poor Hugo

sent it to Josh ofc

[obsidian shard]

He was so mad at the Unclaimed Earth Level, I was dying

I also feel really bad

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1436192975519613126/JOSHCINEMA.png?ex=690eb670&is=690d64f0&hm=2179c41e4d0f902f184a17ff5a7bd1628617161b2f2b90b2a5adfc5adb1920b8&

[unkempt dragon]

calm, then the yelling got louder and louder lmao

[green estuary]

play it yourself and you might understand lol

the unbalanced version though

for maximum rage

[harsh egret]

wait did he play the balanced one?

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274237827592228865/1436184519274139668/Interesting....png?ex=690eae90&is=690d5d10&hm=f486ef900da5ce4b71edf594ef57e58e1ed3438e41ddafd14077181be94fa33c&

[unkempt dragon]

I'm friends with idk and I told him his levels make me rage quit

[obsidian shard]

Lmao

[unkempt dragon]

oh yeah

[harsh egret]

also this one ofc

[green estuary]

yep that was the balanced version

[obsidian shard]

He knows what he's doing

[harsh egret]

ok what the fuck lmao

[green estuary]

he might have mentioned this in the stream but that first encounter has a possessed baron instead of an armored baron

in the unbalanced version

[obsidian shard]

"Balanced" as more of a suggestion

[unkempt dragon]

He's a good modder

[obsidian shard]

I see that

[harsh egret]

why am i getting question marked

[unkempt dragon]

oh. yeah hahaha

[harsh egret]

[unkempt dragon]

I'm tired. Ignore the "?" lol

[green estuary]

everyone question mark this man

[obsidian shard]

Looked like fun to me, I would def watch a pro play it, I'm too rusty now

[harsh egret]

ill question mark myself as well i guess

[unkempt dragon]

Jay, play Unholy Urdak unbalanced

[obsidian shard]

Can LM ban themselves? Today on DOOM Busters

[unkempt dragon]

no actually haha

[obsidian shard]

[green estuary]

mods, glue his ass to the seat until he finishes cbt atlantica deathless

[harsh egret]

lmao

[unkempt dragon]

I can play it but not deathless yet🥀

[harsh egret]

last time i played atlantica i dyed like 15 times on nm

"dyed" bruh

[unkempt dragon]

dyed

[green estuary]

I can't play anything that's decently tough deathless
I can start out great but if it requires me to be on my game then my brain just lapses and I start making mistakes closer to the end

[unkempt dragon]

I get anxiety trying to UN I'm not gonna lie

[obsidian shard]

SneakyJaycool Fun fact!

"Jay" In SneakyJaycool is the Elongated version of J (For Jordan) I used SneakyJaycool since SneakyJcool Looked stupid

[obsidian shard]

Whut...

[unkempt dragon]

still calling u Jay forever

[harsh egret]

i tried a couple times in tda and everytime i hear the low hp beeping i lose my shit

[green estuary]

sneakyjordancool

[obsidian shard]

Don't roll off the tongue does it?

[green estuary]

just look it up on youtube
it's a trip

[unkempt dragon]

that noise will haunt us all until we are old and wrinkled

[obsidian shard]

I hear Jay IRL and I Turnaround or answer 😭

[unkempt dragon]

Should I post the meme in screenshots?

[obsidian shard]

Yes

[unkempt dragon]

done lolol

[obsidian shard]

I love it

[unkempt dragon]

It's too funny

[obsidian shard]

thanks to Darth Sateus

we know what The word that whymes with Steel is!

its Deer

[harsh egret]

hilarious post lmao

[obsidian shard]

ong

Man this cmmunity is simply peak

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369164392335278121/1436206545707864064/IMG_7136.png?ex=690ec313&is=690d7193&hm=1941e92f538832041358f8c2c69c840b9109bf02dfad9ff9e0cfa7f8c4d0d542&

FUCK

He's a genius

why didnt we think of that

[uneven dragon]

Hmmm

[harsh egret]

honestly they can do so much cool stuff

its moments like these when u go from "idk how they can top their last game" to realizing they really can cook hard

cuz to me that monkey bar spear thing sounds freaking insane on paper

[warm ibex]

i definitely don't think they'll do monkey bars

the game is very grounded, monkey bars are focused entirely on keeping air momentum

I was thinking though, I do wonder if it'll be a Maykr spear that he gets from the Kreed's ship. Or maybe a Hell spear acquired during the DLC's opening mission

[obsidian shard]

Ahzrak's spear

[warm ibex]

asscrack spear

interesting....

[harsh egret]

i was about to type the biggest yap ever about why his idea was not that great but now that horde says it, the monkey bar might not be either

[harsh egret]

you know... they did have that concept art of the slayer having a red glove thing with eyes
ahzraks spear is red and it also has eyes and stuff...

[obsidian shard]

Peak

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1436215571564986388/emerson-tung-dtda-char-slayer-j2.jpg?ex=690ecb7b&is=690d79fb&hm=48aecff2767bacf5ac5e98a4c0c914c25cff053acb596fe74906474cf2eee473&

or smth like this with a spear coming out of his arm thing?

nah doesnt make much sense with his shield

now that im looking through some concepts its still crazy to me that at some point they were ideating the slayer looking like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1436216385100316682/emerson-tung-dtda-char-slayer-m-6.jpg?ex=690ecc3d&is=690d7abd&hm=81877043190c59678c5086f20a626bb9d24a0db78dde15a96461efba00e38d64&

[obsidian shard]

Now hear me out thats to recall the Spear

[harsh egret]

[green estuary]

I lowk hope the movement tech is just sliding or something along those lines; take the game’s horizontality (if that’s a word) and expand upon it rather than giving us a vertical traversal option that kinda goes against the grain of the game’s combat

[harsh egret]

sliding would def be cool

[dark thunder]

what's the best level in tda

maykr spear would be so sick

[green estuary]

Probably resurrection for me

[harsh egret]

harbor of souls for me

[uneven dragon]

Siege Part 1

[neon perch]

Add omnisprint.

That's all this game needs fuck sprinting only going forwards.

[hardy flint]

omnimovement in doom

[ebon lynx]

kaibz mod lets you do that! it's fun but it fucks up the timing of enemy attacks bc the game/enemies aren't anticipating you outrunning every hit

[neon perch]

As it should be, let me strafe shit.

[green estuary]

as cool as it is in the og doom games, omni sprint works horribly in tda
clearly none of the projectiles and attacks are balanced around it, so the only way it even kinda sorta works is if you crank all the projectile/damage sliders all the way up so you don't just completely run circles around everything (and that obviously causes some problems with certain projectiles)--mostly because the tracking angles on the projectiles are calibrated for the current strafe speed, so such a large increase in strafe speed makes the tracking irrelevant and turns them into just slow-moving projectiles
better would be for them to give us less projectiles that are dependent on their tracking and more that just test our reaction speed by being fast, but obviously that's not gonna happen

[wheat sigil]

yeah obviously you can't change a very fundamental thing drastically and then have the game be balanced (in most cases), but the game being balanced around it to start would've been nice

[green estuary]

woulda been a nice throwback

although I've been testing with removing tracking from projectiles and just making them significantly faster

tbh it's way more fun

[wheat sigil]

makes sense

[neon perch]

Remove the tracking and make them faster, add omnisprint, add spread and dmg falloff to hitscanners and get rid of the shield.

There you go, classic Doom.

[uneven dragon]

new idea

Add tracking to every classic Doom enemy, make them slower, remove omnisprint, remove spread and dmg falloff to hit scanners, and add a shield

[neon perch]

Don't forget make every projectile phase through enemies so you can just get pelted while fighting a Cyberdemon.

[uneven dragon]

I don’t remember this happening ever

Do you mean enemy projectiles phasing through enemies

[random sand]

that has happened to me a few times. it's not that bad tho

[echo sail]

Final battle or reckoning

[warm ibex]

Harbor of Souls, Forsaken Plains or Resurrection

[mystic barn]

Huge on Harbor of Souls. Easily the best storytelling in the game

[uneven dragon]

Harbour of Souls is pretty hype yeah

I think purely on gameplay tho it’s gotta be Siege Part 1 or one of the Cosmic levels

But HoS had me straight jumping in my chair

[random sand]

i think my fav level is the temple in the cosmic realm (i dont remember its name)

[mystic barn]

Temple of Lomarith is tight. Big fan of that Hell Knight secret. I also love Karthul Marshes purely for those mind-fuck secrets

[random sand]

dude that secret room with hellknights scared the shit outta me. when i shield bashed into it, a weird noise played and suddenly i am somewhere i don't know and rooms keep shifting

[uneven dragon]

Proof we need more spooky shit in Doom

Cosmic Realm was perfect for that at points

[hazy pasture]

Harbor of Souls, Resurrection, Spire of Nerathul and Temple of Lomarith

[random sand]

yes. i love that they introduced the cosmic realm because it allowed them to just get whacky with it

[hazy pasture]

That rotating room secret in Kar'thul Marshes scared me

Biggie tentacle

[uneven dragon]

cosmic realm gotta be in my top 3 levels of the entire franchise

[random sand]

if it wasn't for urdak it would be my number 1

[uneven dragon]

(the other 2 in my top 3 are Doom 3's first level and Legacy of Rust's final level)

[uneven dragon]

urdak was cool too yeah

hearing the cosmic realm ost kick in gave me the same feelings as hearing residual in urdak for the first time

[warm ibex]

I wish Urdak's environments held up to its atmosphere

[worldly sun]

i saw the slayers club stream showing off the melee/rune switch on the fly which is great but i notice when switching a melee you start with 0 charge which is a shame cause i wish each melee had their own cooldown timer similar to grenades in eternal

im worried switching melee is gonna be a detriment rather than a skill ceiling increase

[hazy pasture]

Yup

I still wish that Urdak had those elements from the concepts

Even if only a lil bit

[uneven mesa]

When will the ripatorium 2.0 update release ?

[worldly sun]

no date but from what the stream said its gonna be before the end of the year

[hazy pasture]

Late November or December

[warm ibex]

Not next week or the week after, but seemingly before christmas

They aim to have community encounters available before the holidays, which means the target Ripatorium 2.0 release is at least a little before christmas week

[warm ibex]

I hate to say it, but I do kinda wish urdak as a whole didn't exist in that state

I can't help but feel like a more primitive heaven would've fit the world/tone established in 2016 and TDA a lot better than tech heaven

but it is what it is!

[uneven mesa]

Thanks !

[brittle finch]

I’m glad I turned off the AI bs settings

1440P native max settings is beautiful

[unkempt dragon]

To me, hell is Classic Doom's Limbo. Just alone after a bit and going around and around in circles trying to get out. 😭

[brittle finch]

I’ve been enlightened

And all it took was me overclocking my 5050 to be as fast as a 5060 💀

Max temp is 87C btw dw I’m only sitting around 75C

[brittle finch]

I was gonna go beyond that, but I think it has a hard cap to stop you from doing that

Because somehow only an extra 10 MHz of card memory and clock speed made my GPU usage shoot up 10%

[uneven dragon]

it's not the worst but it could be a whole lot better

gotta commend mick for making it so memorable to me though residual is just a hell of a track

the emptiness at the start is also pretty striking

[hazy pasture]

Flesh Heaven

[hazy pasture]

Yup yup

[hazy pasture]

Lmao

[hazy pasture]

It's supposed to be a Christmas special according to Josh so it would make sense

[hazy pasture]

Dang

[mystic barn]

Residual, and by extension Urdak, are so memorable because it is a vocal cover of the lead synth in BFG Division

[uneven dragon]

yeah

[hazy pasture]

"DLC Word of the Day rhymes with Steer"

BEER

[radiant spade]

Deer

Leer

[harsh egret]

The game is not built with this feature in mind, unlike eternal. It would be insanely broken

It's really just trying to make things more convenient to switch than having to go into the menu and switching it yourself, which is just a positive

[mystic barn]

I dunno. Hypothetically, if id Software were to implement this, I can imagine it playing out like in Kaibz's Mod, where using the mace would drain all melee charges, but swapping between gauntlets and flail would just use one charge a piece

[harsh egret]

I haven't tried the mod but I imagine it would still be alot easier and it would turn the game into a melee spam fest

[hazy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-hello-chat-here's-johnny-doom-slayer-doom-marine-gif-6132403173794421933

[hazy pasture]

Won't Flail+Gauntlet combo still be broken enough to make the game more easily melee only doable?

[cerulean pagoda]

hi

[mystic barn]

With how you can spam the gauntlets and absolutely melt any enemy in the base game, swapping to a pretty weak flail that gives you armour seems balanced. Keep in mind, when you swap from punching with gauntlets to the flail, the melee charge goes down. For example, if I start with 3 charges on the gauntlets and use one then swap to flail, I'll still only have 2 charges

[hazy pasture]

Greetings GoldSlayer

[harsh egret]

oh ok lol that makes more sense

[hazy pasture]

Hmm sounds like both Flail and Gauntlets have a good synergy in between them

Yeah it sounds balanced

[harsh egret]

it depends how id looks at these things cuz it could still take the game one step closer to eternal when it comes to mashing buttons mid fight (even though it is optional and maybe it would be fine), which they clearly did not want this game to be

[hazy pasture]

Again true

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[hazy pasture]

TDA was never meant to become similar to Eternal

[hazy pasture]

Howdy polech

[solar spoke]

yeah that seems like a fair balance

[rotund rune]

Did Hugo say anything else tomorrow after I was here?

[elder raven]

everyone give me ripatorium challenges

[harsh egret]

10 soldiers, 15 heated shields, 5 energy soldiers, 2 chaingunners, 9 imps, 2 stone imps, 3 nightmare imps, 3 hell knights, 2 armored pinkies, 1 arachno, 2 armored arachno, 1 mortar mancubus, 1 mancubus leader, 1 revenant leader, 1 acolyte , 1 acolyte leader, 1 cosmic baron

[gleaming vortex]

Did they say anything about new Ripatorium maps/arenas or is it just gonna be the same three

also hi good morning

[solid nacelle]

Nothing about new maps, but they adjusted the already existing ones to give them more line of sight breakers

[gleaming vortex]

oh I’ll have to take a closer look at that

[uncut needle]

I'm filming a playthrough with 100%

I've replayed forsaken plains 3 times I just missed ONE GOLD

[half marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/super-macho-man-super-macho-man-punch-out-gif-20923143

super macho man

[covert blaze]

I just started playing TDA with Shield Parry/Meele slowdown 0% and game speed 150%. So fun!

[green estuary]

why tf do people feel the need to start their first playthrough on max game speed

[uncut needle]

0% slowdown is legit so fun

[obsidian shard]

Mancubus Mayhem Play testing in progress!

All rounds feel great so far

Tho can't figure out if round 5 should have a Acolyte or Caco

[elder raven]

bogus

[half marlin]

he said the thing!1!!!

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-bro-celebrating-best-friends-squid-game-2-my-guy-gif-8389215730122450876

[hazy pasture]

Add the one who annoys you the most

[obsidian shard]

Both

[elder raven]

acolyte

[hazy pasture]

Mancubus Mayhem... Such a beautiful name

[hazy pasture]

Then Acolyte

[obsidian shard]

Acolyte it is!

Tyty

The Difficulty up every round feels really smooth

so far

[harsh egret]

wait wut

r u playing ripatorium 2.0 lol?

[obsidian shard]

no, that would be cool tho

[harsh egret]

what did u mean by rounds then

[obsidian shard]

If Ripatorium had 5 rounds how would i scail it

[harsh egret]

no but u were saying u were playtesting it

[obsidian shard]

Ya I'm playing my sets to see how they feel

[harsh egret]

aaaaahhh

[obsidian shard]

since Ripatorium 2.0 isnt out i have to try another way for "rounds"

[elder raven]

finally did thsi one

acolytes kicked my ass everytime

[harsh egret]

:))

was it a fun encounter tho

[elder raven]

i had fun

it was just the acolytes that ruined most of my runs, not saying that it should be removed from the encounter but i did have fun

it was like hugo last night

[harsh egret]

lmao then thats good

i like the acolytes when they are used well but ill experiment more with things when 2.0 comes out

this was one that i did when the ripatorium came out

[elder raven]

definitely fun

[harsh egret]

@obsidian shard tda didnt get nominated for the grammy

[obsidian shard]

nor did Expedition 33

how TF

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1436415810175238164/Screenshot_2025-11-07-19-01-46-336_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg?ex=690f85f8&is=690e3478&hm=d516bfed3f210830915be4708801e7d2ee442fdae53b5fa2eccc8f143f778167&

[harsh egret]

I really don't know lmao

[obsidian shard]

What is this

[harsh egret]

Seems they just mainly wanna go for video games based off of movie franchises and stuff

Kinda shitty ngl

[obsidian shard]

I mean that's basically what they do
Music and Movie music

[frosty roost]

that's so shitty

[harsh egret]

Yeah but still

Welp

[solid nacelle]

Just had a thought what if they're saving master levels for update 6.66

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1436418394357366814/MANCUBUS_MAYHEM.gif

[random sand]

peak

[harsh egret]

holy shit imagine they put yours in game and they have thumbnails for the community presets and they use this as the thumbnail

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[obsidian shard]

peak

[solar spoke]

petition to have an all acolyte level in the game where they can infinitely clone themselves

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

The hell are these picks

This is the worst line up I've ever seen

[obsidian shard]

And most are fucking 2024

Like bro wtf

[frail bloom]

What😭

I didn't even realize

[obsidian shard]

That the Grammys

[green estuary]

out of the 5 soundtracks listed, how many have you listened to

[frail bloom]

You saw nothing

[obsidian shard]

3 of em

[green estuary]

better than me, haven't heard any of them lmao

[obsidian shard]

I own The Helldiver's II OST on vinyl

[frail bloom]

Zero, but doom is best so it sweeps anything else clearly

[green estuary]

I figured lol

[frail bloom]

Doom all the way

Actually I'm pretty sure helldivers 2 wasn't bad at all

[obsidian shard]

The fact E33 isn't on their tho is fucking g nuts

[frail bloom]

They should have seperate categories for games and shows/movies

Why are they together

Now there's less representation

It's all just jumbled under "media"

[obsidian shard]

It's quite good but only Half of the 8 Tracks are memorable

[frail bloom]

Rigged

Riiiiiiigged

[obsidian shard]

Indiana Jones is deserved imo

[frail bloom]

But not above E33

Surely

[obsidian shard]

But Sword of the Sea and Avatar????

[frail bloom]

🤮

I never listened to them but it ain't doom so I won't boom

Boom doom

[random sand]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-helmet-resurrection-gif-17286603707262106431

what the hell

it works

[grizzled thicket]

yeah

[cedar dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dexter-morgan-tweakin-tweaking-galaxy-gas-gif-4827481080626211357

nice

[uneven dragon]

Nah what the fuck

I wasn’t expecting Doom to make it but I also sure as shit wasn’t expecting this lineup

[red peak]

Well tbf, there have been alot of complaints about the soundtrack, especially considering that it started out so badly with the audio mixing lol

[frail bloom]

Ye maybe if it was mixed better it wouldn't be nearly as criticized

Hopefully lesson learned though and they don't absolutely blunder on the next title with the music

[random sand]

i can't recall the mixing being bad. what was wrong with it?

[frail bloom]

You can barely hear the music and it always played very late

Sometimes it never played

[random sand]

huh. not something i noticed but then again i didn't pay much attention to the music on my first playthrough

[flat vigil]

Not sure what exactly you guys are talking about, but imo The Dark Ages’s soundtracks are pretty good, even if they’re definitely not as good than in the other games.

[frail bloom]

Idk abt definetly

[random sand]

i like it alot. personally it's my top 3

[frail bloom]

It's better then 2016 for me

2016 is glazed to high hell

[random sand]

real dude holy shit

[green estuary]

that's because it's the greatest video game soundtrack of all time

[frail bloom]

Like seriously is the ost that good

[green estuary]

yes

[frail bloom]

No

[mystic barn]

The production is, for sure

[frail bloom]

I ain't arguing that

[random sand]

2016 has hellwalker, bfg division and at doom's gate and that's about it for bangers

[frail bloom]

But-

[elder raven]

mastermind

skullhacker

[random sand]

let's see

[elder raven]

rip and tear

[flat vigil]

I think The Dark Ages has a very few soundtracks that are better than the soundtracks from Doom 2016, but overall I preferred Doom 2016’s soundtracks a little bit more.

[green estuary]

lmao

[frail bloom]

Like I have way more dark ages songs that are more rhythmic and easier to remember

[random sand]

that one is mid

[frail bloom]

Idk abt few

I have like 8

[elder raven]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-what-did-you-say-what-did-you-just-say-gif-8999232196874581113

[mystic barn]

I think the compositions are a bit basic (particularly Rip & Tear, Rust, Dust, & Guts, Hellwalker, and BFG Division), but they’re good for a reason

[frail bloom]

2016 funny enough is a few for me

[green estuary]

in general 2016's soundrack isn't put together as well in the OST, but in-game it just cannot be beat imo

[frail bloom]

Like only 4

[random sand]

i actually got pretty disappointed because out of all the songs they used in the doom fortnite collab, they used rip and tear 😭

[frail bloom]

Well yeah it has the best dynamic music module

[green estuary]

rip and tear is kinda the quintessential doom song

[flat vigil]

For me both of them are a few, but I prefer Doom 2016’s worst ones than The Dark Ages’s worst ones, therefore why I prefer Doom 2016’s soundtracks slightly more overall.

[frail bloom]

But in terms of the actual ost it just feels very bland

Well not bland

[elder raven]

i love rip and tear your just smoking the argent pack

[frail bloom]

I love rip and tear but like Dark ages has more bangers

[green estuary]

if anything, eternal's soundtrack is overrated as hell

[mystic barn]

Super valid

[random sand]

eh, idk. very all over the place

[frail bloom]

I just feel like Mick's worst is just noise, and FM's worst is generic metal

[flat vigil]

Only a few.

[green estuary]

headbanging to transistor fist rn

[mystic barn]

I think Mick’s mixed meter stuff is where he shines

[frail bloom]

2016's style just ain't for me

[green estuary]

it's just my opinion
but a lot of those songs get really repetitive very fast, as they solely work around a single main melody

[flat vigil]

Reasonable.

[elder raven]

smoking packs found in the umbral plains

[frail bloom]

Ppl love their melody

[random sand]

2016 has: hellwalker, at doom's gate, bfg division, that one hell choir

eternal has: TOTTFIY, Meathook, Hell on earth

the dark ages has: WTSFL, unchained predator, blood red, unholy siege, from the ashes, atlan battleground

[green estuary]

except when you're grinding the taras nabad ML and meathook is the only thing you hear for 2 and a half hours shit gets annoying really quickly

literally just the same riff repeated over and over again

[frail bloom]

Is there any hemiolas in the doom soundtrack

[mystic barn]

If we’re using the strictest definition of melody, only BFG Division and TOTTFIY have one. Meathook, Cultist Base, and Super Gore Nest, for example, just have a siren over the top of their main riff

[frail bloom]

Like any song that utilizes hemiolas?

[green estuary]

bfg division gets a pass from me because it isn't over-utilized in the game

[obsidian shard]

Whatever OST you like the most is all Preferences But all the OST's are GREAT PERIOD.

[mystic barn]

Not sure off the top of my head

[flat vigil]

TOTTFIY is peak

[harsh egret]

Exactly

[flat vigil]

I agree with that.

[random sand]

it's an iconic banger allright. but, shockingly enough, it is not my fav doom track

[flat vigil]

Fair enough. It’s also not my favorite, even if it’s the best imo.

[green estuary]

not that shocking

[random sand]

what

[red peak]

I agree, tda's soundtrack is goated, but alot of people were butthurt over Mick being gone, so it got a bad rep. Also, when the game first released the audio mixing was pretty bad, so the soundtrack was drowned out alot, giving it an even worse rep

[green estuary]

also cyberdemon goes so hard wtf

[random sand]

i'll be the judge of that. one moment

[frail bloom]

In the beginning yeah

[flat vigil]

?

[frail bloom]

Then I get disinterested

[random sand]

how can something not be your fav and also be the best in your opinion

[frail bloom]

Cuz it's a bunch of microwave noises it's just not my thing

[green estuary]

you're just not vega-pilled I guess lol

[mystic barn]

Cyberdemon suffers in the arrangement. Could’ve had that really cool, foreboding section with the 666 and pentagrams as the main chorus, but instead Mick used a variation of it and it blows

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm more into the thrash stuff apparently

[random sand]

it has the same problem as mastermind. it's too much

[green estuary]

common theme in the 2016 ost release tbh

[frail bloom]

WRRR WRRR ROBOT NOISES

Beeps and boops

[random sand]

exactly 😭

[mystic barn]

Put it this way, Radiohead’s best song is Karma Police, but my favourite is Daydreaming

[frail bloom]

That's all I'm saying

I like songs I can hum or sing in my head

[random sand]

same here. kinda hard to hum to this 😭

[frail bloom]

Who's humming to vega core😭

WRRR WRR BEEP BOOP CLANK

[green estuary]

drake fan in the making (kidding)

[frail bloom]

Hey

[mystic barn]

The Untitled and Into Sandy’s City bits, for sure

[frail bloom]

Rude

[frail bloom]

Not arguing with that

Those were good additions

But it doesn't save the song imo

For my taste

[green estuary]

just sayin
same argument drake fans be making to discredit kendrick's music

[random sand]

i'd rather take tda's tracks tbh

[frail bloom]

They do?

No way😭

[random sand]

unholy siege has some banger parts

[obsidian shard]

This all the way

[frail bloom]

I am not a part of that crowd that's all I'm saying

[green estuary]

yep
drake's music is apparently better because it goes harder in the club lol

[frail bloom]

Well his lyrics are doo doo tho

[green estuary]

twas a little joke sir

[frail bloom]

Yes

[random sand]

i know nothing of rap music so i'mma just nod because i got nothing else

[frail bloom]

Doom ost should have lyrics who's with me and who wants me dead

[random sand]

it kinda does... if you count chanting as lyrics

[frail bloom]

No inbetween

[frail bloom]

Nah I want fullll lyrics

[random sand]

RIP AND TEAR

[frail bloom]

But only for cutscenes

Bruh that would be so peak

[mystic barn]

TDA also suffers in the arrangement. People like to think Eternal is are better because it has melody, but that’s clearly not the case. People like Eternal more because the songs are arranged like pop tracks, with verses and choruses and bridges. It appeals to the human brain more than the approach in TDA where they had to prioritise certain songs over others to meet the contracted minutes

[red peak]

Dont forget Kar n Tuk in Gladiator

[random sand]

what would the lyrics even be? some heavy metal singing? some satanic shit? some orchestral cinematic shit?

[frail bloom]

What would you call dark ages arrangements?

[frail bloom]

Orchestral stuff with like the most breathtaking singing I've ever heard

[mystic barn]

Not pop music

[frail bloom]

Attack on titan type stuff

If y'know y'know

[random sand]

well, they're not meant to be. they're heavy metal

[green estuary]

if I'm being honest, I'd think that'd be less appealing to the average gamer
because most people are gonna struggle quite a bit with the game off rip, so they're gonna end up hearing the same motif over and over again for a while

[red peak]

You kinda just proved Eternal's sound track ks better tho by saying it appeals to the human brain more...

[random sand]

what

[frail bloom]

Huh

[frail bloom]

Oh bruh I should recommend some songs

You'll be a changed man

[mystic barn]

In the arrangement, not composition. I’m also not one for saying x or y score is better

[random sand]

nah nah. i misunderstood. i've heard 'em

[frail bloom]

They're peak right???

[random sand]

the whole show is peak but that's a story for another day

[red peak]

They're all good, 'nuff said

[frail bloom]

The ost

Not the show

[red peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527551154094150/1428513543640186900/lv_0_202510161840481.gif

[random sand]

the ost is part of the show

[frail bloom]

Brainfart

[random sand]

lol

[frail bloom]

Don't hold it against me

But yeah kinda like that

I would give a big heap of money for that

I'd pay 60 bucks for that

[frail bloom]

When the void is into

When the into the void

[random sand]

that would be very controversial for a doom game but it could work. same as how i want a doom game with a more emotional tone. dive deeper into doom slayer's pain

[frail bloom]

But that song is awesome I like the melody

[frail bloom]

Just for cutscenes not gameplay

[random sand]

ofc

[frail bloom]

Think abt it, it would open the possibilites so much

[random sand]

how do you even make gameplay emotional 😭

[random sand]

could be

[frail bloom]

Someone get Hiroyuki Sawano on the game he'll whip up smt nice

[red peak]

Music, storyline, voicelines, etc

[random sand]

now THAT would be controversal

[random sand]

gameplay. not all of that

[red peak]

Also you could change the way that character fights if youre feeling ambitious

[green estuary]

play titanfall 2's main campaign

[frail bloom]

He's composed some songs with metal in it

[green estuary]

they did a good job with it

[red peak]

Oh, mb lol

[random sand]

i know. but think about it. people already lost their minds when finishing move took over. imagine it now with Hiroyuki taking over

[frail bloom]

But Hiroyuki is like a household name he's super famous

I never knew abt fm till dark ages

Imagine a composer from one of the best shows of all time with one of the best osts and he's composing for a doom game???

I would be hella excited

[random sand]

Indeed. But doom is something alot of fans are very catious with. Too much change scares 'em

[frail bloom]

Well fm took that first step

Well technically they didn't it's been going on for a while

[random sand]

And look how that turned out

[frail bloom]

But doom fans factory reset every 5 years

[frail bloom]

Well it's too late now Mick ain't back

Might as well keep cycling though different composers

But overall the doom ost should have some lyrics imo

Tough to implement but if it works it's peak

[obsidian shard]

it does

KAR EN TUK
FRA GUIN TRA
RA SAN NIS
FRA GUIN TRA
TE VOR MORS

[frail bloom]

More then just that

Not just chants

[obsidian shard]

This type of Metal doesnt work well with singing

[frail bloom]

Like a solo singer or/with a chorus

[frail bloom]

Well you don't have to stick with one type of metal for one

And for another, you don't really know that it couldn't work it just takes some uber genius

I'll wait decades I'll be patient

But it gotta happen

[obsidian shard]

I also think is people expected the same Very synth work that Mick did and Andrew and David did previously

[frail bloom]

They def did

[obsidian shard]

Instead we Got Glam and Black metal

Swedish black metal

[frail bloom]

Peak

[obsidian shard]

TDA is also just a massive change in general
EVERYTHING Changed

and well people dont like change

[frail bloom]

I liked it

[obsidian shard]

In the End each game is unique and Beloved for its uniqueness

[frail bloom]

Loved it even

Why confine it to one type of metal y'know

[green estuary]

because people are all for mixing up the formula until it lands on something that they're fond of

[half spindle]

TDA ost is great. Some music is top notch. People just like to whine about changes.

[frail bloom]

This sentence makes me confusion idk why

Until it lands on something they're fond of?

Isn't that a good thing?

They're fond of it?

Maybe I'm reading it weird but I get it

[obsidian shard]

Each DOOM Game has at least 1-2 songs that just Annihilate

[half spindle]

That is very true.

[frail bloom]

Ye just cultural icons

[green estuary]

yes
they liked mixing up the game philosophy until it hit eternal, and then they all of a sudden dropped that ideal

[obsidian shard]

Gonna be deadass bout opinions but Infernal Chasm is in top 5 best DOOM tracks oat

[green estuary]

went from "I love how each doom game is different and plays in its own way" to "grrr, why is the dark ages slow"

[frail bloom]

Doom the woke ages

Remember, cuz it had sliders

[harsh egret]

Sometimes i wonder what wouldve happened if tiktok never existed

The world would be such a better place

[frail bloom]

Very good things

[frail bloom]

It's funny cuz no one was considering making the game harder or faster, just easier

Also during the dev direct when they showed the slider speed stuff they just sped up the video and didn't actually show what 150% speed looked like

[green estuary]

wait until people realize that difficulty selection lets you make the game easier also

[frail bloom]

I remember it looking really weird

[frail bloom]

Sorry for being nosy but did you see smt stupid in particular

Just kinda curious

[harsh egret]

No just the impact that platform has had on the internet in general is just sad

[frail bloom]

Ah cuz it was kinda random lol

I getchu

[harsh egret]

I mean it was related to the criticism about being too slow and shit like people are so brainrotted its crazy

[frail bloom]

Ohhh oh

Ye I'm glad I like slowpaced games

I don't need a constant dopamine rush

Glad abt that for sure

[warm ibex]

I have theories and ideas as to why that is...

well, more so as to why people didn't like TDA as much right off the bat

[frail bloom]

May we see them or nah

[green estuary]

I don't think this is accurate actually
even now, eternal's reviews are 90% positive on steam, whereas tda's are 85%
and you can be damn sure that eternal's review score has only gotten higher as time went on

I just believe tda is less popular because of a combination of being relatively expensive, requiring RT, and not being released during lockdown

[warm ibex]

I think there's another thing as well

[frail bloom]

That's mostly it

[green estuary]

I don't see anything that suggests it was any less well-received than eternal, it's mostly just that people aren't locked in their houses for months on end, so a single player arena shooter isn't as attractive to them

[obsidian shard]

DOOM Eternal and DOOM: The Dark Ages basically have the same score on Opencritic...

[warm ibex]

Not less well recieved, but generally misunderstood to an extend

I guess I'm sorta talking about something a little different, maybe this wasn't the conversation for me to throw theories out lol

[green estuary]

I mean go for it

[frail bloom]

I'm curious

Go ahead

[green estuary]

not like the chat is a bastion of hard hitting topics only backed up by facts and ironclad logic

[warm ibex]

lmao

[harsh egret]

Am i the only one that doesnt get this "eternal was released during lockdown and tda wasnt" excuse

[obsidian shard]

Im deadass confused rn

[harsh egret]

Theres plenty of huge games nowadays

[green estuary]

it's moreso due to the type of game doom is

[frail bloom]

It was at a time where ppl were so bored and they were looking for a huge dopamine rush, like the most entertaining thing ever

Doom fits the bill.

[harsh egret]

Yeah but im also saying theres fuck ton of viral releases especially this year

[frail bloom]

Especially doom eternal with its wacky colors

[green estuary]

how many of them are single player fps games

[harsh egret]

Ik what u mean but i also dont think its THAT niche

[frail bloom]

Doom eternal also happens to be one of the best games of all time so getting to play that during lockdown is a save

Bored, nothing to do, want to get some excitement, new doom game

[green estuary]

maybe, but name a single player fps that was released this year and is bigger than tda

[harsh egret]

Yeah was it really perceived like that when it launched tho :d

[obsidian shard]

Also TDA had the biggest DOOM launch ever...

Xbox and Bethesda Appear to deem it a Success

[frail bloom]

Idk how do you measure that

[green estuary]

vibes n shit

[frail bloom]

Well it had awesome vibes

[green estuary]

the discourse on eternal is almost entirely positive across the board now, because the people who don't like it just don't play it

[frail bloom]

So many different doomtubers emerged, theory vids

[solid nacelle]

The biggest criticisms I see for dark ages are

-it's not eternal
-it's parry slop
-no mick gordon

[green estuary]

there were a bunch of people who loved 2016 but couldn't stand eternal

[frail bloom]

That's game criticism but not accessability criticism which is much larger imo

[harsh egret]

Does kcd2 count

[frail bloom]

Can't have a positive opinion on smt you never tried out cuz you can't buy it

Or experience it

[harsh egret]

Maybe not

[green estuary]

uhhhh
I didn't even think that was a shooter

[frail bloom]

Horde has been pondering abt this for awhile huh

[harsh egret]

No, was trying more so to compare how niche they are

[frail bloom]

What you cookin up

[harsh egret]

Kcd is pretty damn niche

Yet it was huge

[frail bloom]

Boi I love it when there's a convo then FLASHBANG random picture of immora

[green estuary]

idk I just feel like nowadays in order to have a huge fanbase and make an fps game, you have to be multiplayer-focused

[harsh egret]

Idk that i agree completely

But it be what it be

[frail bloom]

The quintessential end to a convo

"It is what it is"

[harsh egret]

Didn't mean for that to be the end of the convo

But it be what it be

[green estuary]

it certainly do be

[solid beacon]

Sorry i had show some picture.

[frail bloom]

You're good

New horde vid 7 min ago

[obsidian shard]

Yoo Hato Barons of Hell Minis are unlocked (It's another boss for round 3)

[frail bloom]

Wait the gore and ragdolls are changed??

[obsidian shard]

Hopefully we get to see some TDA bosses soon or smth

[obsidian shard]

Improved

[harsh egret]

Yep i saw!

[green estuary]

going back to what I was saying about the pandemic release, you can kinda see amount of difference it made between 2016 and eternal
the 2016 reboot was literally one of the biggest "holy fuck" moments in all of gaming history, yet by all metrics it did worse than eternal. why? not a conclusive answer, but you can be damn sure that people sitting at home on their asses with nothing to do contributed

[frail bloom]

This is for the next update right

[harsh egret]

Wait what

[green estuary]

essentially enemies are gonna go flying a bit more when you punch/kick them

[harsh egret]

The fuck where is this info from

[warm ibex]

last nights stream

hugo stated that gore and ragdolls will be improved

[harsh egret]

How do i just miss some of these things wtf

[warm ibex]

nah I get it lmao, I miss obvious shit sometimes too

[frail bloom]

Can we improve projectiles phasing through enemies I'd like that

[harsh egret]

Kinda random this late after release but ill take it lol

[frail bloom]

Cuz it's kinda random lol

[harsh egret]

I thought the ragdolls and gore were really damn good

[obsidian shard]

Yup!

[green estuary]

you can do that
just go to the modding server and tweak some .decl files

oh wait

[frail bloom]

Oh wait

[obsidian shard]

Or wel the Ripatorium 2.0 Update

[frail bloom]

another L for me

[green estuary]

not intentional, sorry
forgot you were on console

[obsidian shard]

And gore is more responsive

[frail bloom]

Console chud muffins dirt facing L's once again

[harsh egret]

I also think eternal had better marketing than the other 2

[frail bloom]

Oh deeff

[green estuary]

better than tda sure
but the 2016 marketing was legit the hypest shit you had ever seen

[obsidian shard]

Then a bunch of bugs and shit will be addressed in the update!

[harsh egret]

I'm not sure what advertising tda at that one boxing event really did for them but i don't think it was cheap and i dont think it was worth it lmao

[frail bloom]

Actually 2016 had better marketing ye

[obsidian shard]

The TV spot....

[green estuary]

I just go back and watch some of the old trailers on youtube and think "damn they cooked"

[harsh egret]

I didn't get it at all

[frail bloom]

But doom eternal was the sequel that's marketing in of itself

[frail bloom]

That was just dumb imo

[harsh egret]

I meant the tda one sorry

[frail bloom]

They didn't even play the dark ages ost at all

It was some generic song

[obsidian shard]

Ahh Trailer 2 at WWE

[harsh egret]

Yes

[frail bloom]

It wasn't cheap either I bet

[harsh egret]

Prob fit within the budget considering the marketing was just not that crazy this time at all

[green estuary]

hard truth is that forced rt isn't popular

so game sold less

sadge

[harsh egret]

Yeah it's the main thing imo that the game sold worse

[frail bloom]

Ye I agree

[harsh egret]

In the future tho, their next games should be just fine

Also its kinda also nvidias fault to a degree

[green estuary]

if only AMD weren't absolute shitters at feature support

[frail bloom]

Ye not upgrading your rig 10 years later would be kinda weird

[harsh egret]

In 5 years if everyone doesnt have a good RT card then idk what the hell we are doing lmao

Unless the economy collapses or sum

[frail bloom]

I think this is the last push in terms of hardware unless they force pathtracing

[harsh egret]

They want to do that ideally

Sooo

[frail bloom]

Eh they could atleast use raytracing a bit more 😭

We can hold back a bit

[green estuary]

I know forcing ray tracing has actual benefits aside from graphical fidelity
I struggle to see the same thing with PT

[harsh egret]

It depends how next gen consoles and where pc specs are in a few years

[frail bloom]

Idk I hope not

[harsh egret]

I atleast can see a difference but its just not worth the fps loss

Maybe framegen becomes insane

[frail bloom]

Wouldn't make sense considering the loss of player count

[harsh egret]

It already progressed so much lol

Same with dlss and so on

[frail bloom]

Like they optimized this game so well despite the raytracing

Just continue to use raytracing y'know

Then we won't have to upgrade the rig every 5 years

[green estuary]

tda is unironically the only game I've ever seen so far that actually merits forced ray tracing
the engine was built from the ground up to work with it, so it's very well optimized
the graphics are actually a big step up, instead of just adding reflections and light effects here and there (looking at you UE5)
and they managed to keep the file size just about equivalent to its predecessor, despite the massive increase in environment area and complexity

[harsh egret]

Yup

[frail bloom]

Yes exactly

Just refine your next game around the raytracing formula why you gotta force path tracing potentially

"Potentially"

[green estuary]

gonna be a long time until that happens

[frail bloom]

I just wouldn't get the decision if it happened

[warm ibex]

I'm a tad bit late but I'll throw this out here - despite liking TDA more than Eternal, I wasn't as hyped for TDA

[frail bloom]

It will happen prob

[frail bloom]

I was bc I was hoping for grand things

Not alot of them came to fruition but hey it happens

[harsh egret]

I was most hyped for tda the most tbh

[warm ibex]

tbf I suppose I'm at a different point in life than I was when Eternal was announced, so things are bound to feel different

[obsidian shard]

It was my first DOOM game I've launched with so it'll hold a special place in my heart

[frail bloom]

I was like 11 all I needed to see was the pain elemental and I was hyped

[obsidian shard]

I got into Eternal at update 6.66

[warm ibex]

I think the QC 2018 gameplay reveal was probably the most excited I've ever been in my entire life. I actually left that livestream drenched in sweat

[frail bloom]

Interesting

-hugo

[harsh egret]

I was so out of the loop i found out 2016 came out in like 2018 or smth lmfao

[obsidian shard]

[harsh egret]

Like i played doom 1-3 with my dad and then no doom for like 6 years or smfh

And i wasnt much on social media back then and YouTube didnt recommend me any doom

Then one morning i see the quakecon 2018 showcase im like HUH? And then i find out 2016 exists

I literally lived under a rock

[warm ibex]

I got into doom when markiplier played 2016

[frail bloom]

What abt the classic games?

[warm ibex]

played through the sharware version of Doom 1, then bought Doom 3 BFGE after watching mark's 2016 playthrough

[harsh egret]

Man I remember how I was playing the fuck out of d1 and 2

[frail bloom]

I played when I was 5

Played the d2 demo on xbox

Just replayed the first level of NRFTL for years

[wheat sigil]

keeping all your charges would make the most sense, and if the mace is e.g. 1/3 charged you get 1 gauntlet/flail, and vice versa

[frail bloom]

Huh you're the only one who argues that, that I've seen

Everyone else says it would break the game immensely

[green estuary]

it wouldn't necessarily break the game
it's just that it would mess up the way the melee weapons were meant to be used
the gauntlets for example are meant to be a combo-based melee weapon, but if you preserve charges the strictly optimal thing to do would be to just apply shock with the first hit when you have 4 hits charged then instantly switch to the dreadmace

[frail bloom]

Ok... but you argue that losing the charges makes more sense then

[green estuary]

yeah sure

I'm just saying that breaking the game isn't the problem

[frail bloom]

Ok glad that's cleared up

[wheat sigil]

no this game is well balanced with no op melees.. wait

[frail bloom]

Idk you take it to them

[green estuary]

if anything's OP in this game, it's the runes

[wheat sigil]

can you actually have 4 gauntlet charges at once? isn't it just one extra charge after you've done a combo already

[warm ibex]

true and real

[wheat sigil]

but what's really the upside of using gauntles over the mace already lol

[green estuary]

kinda sorta
but unlike the dreadmace, you store the 4th charge, so if you hit something once you still have three left with no time limit

[green estuary]

shock, same as why the cycler is lowk better than the accelerator

free 20% damage increase is pretty gnarly

[frail bloom]

And getting your ammo quicker

Uh and the flail...

[wheat sigil]

ammo is irrelevant

[frail bloom]

Why

[green estuary]

because you always have it

it would take colossal ineptitude to run out of ammo in this game

[frail bloom]

Ye

[warm ibex]

the rate that you gain ammo isn't though

[green estuary]

it kinda is
unless you only use a singular weapon that isn't ammo efficient like the csg

[warm ibex]

different strokes for different folks. I prefer the gradual ammo gain from the gauntlets/flail over the huge overall refil from the mace

[wheat sigil]

unless you're really reliant on some particular ammo, actually refilling it isn't something you'll ever worry about

and running out isn't something you'll worry about either

[worldly sun]

the main hope about the rune/melee switches is that weapons like the auto turret and flail would bring back more resource management in dark ages

[green estuary]

I hope that's not the reason

[worldly sun]

cause as it is now its very hard to gain back health and armor in dark ages

[frail bloom]

I'm confused

[warm ibex]

armor yeah, but not health

[wheat sigil]

health isn't super hard, but armor is

[green estuary]

you can literally do the same thing now as you will once the update comes out
difference is it'll just be more convenient

[warm ibex]

bro wants to be me

[frail bloom]

Ye that's what I was thinking

[green estuary]

just buff the armor generation if you want to improve armor management

[frail bloom]

It doesn't actually change any values

[worldly sun]

well certainly isnt fun going to a menu to use a more armor centric build

[frail bloom]

True that, so it will be more convienient for you

[green estuary]

the problem isn't the convenience, the problem is that an armor centric "build" is ass

[frail bloom]

You want armor just switch to ground fissure and your csg that's your best bet

And you're not confined to some build anymore

[green estuary]

yeah, but why doom the flail/ground fissure/csg to just being stuff that you switch to when you want to restack armor

[obsidian shard]

I think its fun

[warm ibex]

the better thing to do is use different weapons, melee and runes because it's fun to switch intstead of staying on one thing

or is trying different shit a thing of the past

[obsidian shard]

And Fun is all that truely matters!

[frail bloom]

Idk but it's too late now, so now when you want armor in the next update you simply switch to armor centric stuff

And then you switch back

[obsidian shard]

Auto-Turret may be the worst rune but i have the most fun with it (Same with the flail)

[warm ibex]

flail feels the best to use imo

I'll stand by that, even if it's the worst melee

[frail bloom]

It should have an armor buff

[warm ibex]

true

[frail bloom]

Idc abt damage at least a good armor buff

[frosty roost]

hiya hordeeeee

[covert blaze]

Time to play TDA.

[worldly sun]

maybe im too eternal brained but another thing about losing all melee charges when switching melee forces you to play the wait for parry game to do any combos

[warm ibex]

omg hi

[frail bloom]

Well it's so you don't spam your melees constantly

It's just a convenience thing

Plus, there's a parryable every two seconds

You gotta strategically utilize the enemies in your arena

[frosty roost]

how're you dude?

[green estuary]

or maybe just switch weapons when you finish a combo and are at zero charges anyway

[frail bloom]

Always look out for rune bait enemies

[warm ibex]

if we're being entirely honest, I think this is a "be lucky you have it" kinda thing. Swapping melee or runes constantly is not at all how this game was meant to be played at launch and I'd argue we're lucky to get this sort of QoL feature at all

[worldly sun]

i guess so

[wheat sigil]

mostly it just makes you wait until you've consumed melee to switch, instead of doing it when it's useful/you want to

[green estuary]

runes trivialize so much man
they're never gonna nerf them but boy do they need a serious nerf

[warm ibex]

I really don't think they do

[frail bloom]

I think they're fun

So idc

Just make the arenas harder idk

[topaz oasis]

I'd say Runes are alright for the most part? except for the one that summons blue swords

[green estuary]

yeah they're fun
but how on earth should one parry allow you to take out an armored mancubus

[worldly sun]

im just super eternal brained i think, pay me no mind

[topaz oasis]

that shit is absolutely busted lmao

[green estuary]

heaven splitter just trivializes things even more

[warm ibex]

this is not doom eternal

[green estuary]

the stun durations for enemies are absolutely cartoonish

[frail bloom]

When master levels and dlc drops I'd take those runes any day

Plus those ripatorium presets

It gives me the ability to handle larger fights

[worldly sun]

yeah i gotta remind myself of this sometimes

[green estuary]

speaking of, I'm gonna go play some infinite arena mode

[warm ibex]

aggressively tight balancing is not TDA's deal, it's more akin to 2016's "dumb fun" approach

[worldly sun]

plus im complaining about something thats not even out yet lol

[obsidian shard]

lets say you will want em

[frail bloom]

Oh for your preset??

[green estuary]

I'm not asking for aggressively tight balance, I'm asking for more difficulty

[frail bloom]

Buddy you're gonna beg for the bfc when ripatorium 2.0 comes out

[green estuary]

also more satisfaction

[red peak]

Increase the sliders

[frail bloom]

Gonna make a crazy cinematic encounter

[wheat sigil]

i've played eternal twice the last 2 weeks💔

[frail bloom]

That comes around only by utilizing more enemies

[green estuary]

because it's more fun to beat a mancubus or baron to death with my melee or shoot it to death with a gun than it is to parry one time and take away half or more of its health bar while it's stunlocked

[wheat sigil]

isn't like eternal had a tight balance anyways lol

[green estuary]

correct

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1436418394357366814/MANCUBUS_MAYHEM.gif

[frail bloom]

It's too late for the campaign to include some fights that match up with your runes

[red peak]

You can increase their health-

[warm ibex]

much tighter than TDA, that's undeniable

[frail bloom]

Extra content like ripatorium presets, master levels and dlc should cover it

[warm ibex]

tightest balancing out of the modern trilogy

[obsidian shard]

I NEED IT

[frail bloom]

NO

[frail bloom]

It's only possible when 2.0 comes out

[green estuary]

yes
and the drop in difficulty that comes directly after you get your first rune is enormous
it eventually works its way back up in the end, but it gives too much player power tbh

[red peak]

No? But hes saying the enemies are dying too fast lol its an easy fix

[wheat sigil]

better balancing feels like better game to me

[frail bloom]

Add more enemies

[red peak]

Increase enemy health

[frail bloom]

Nope

That crap is lame

[obsidian shard]

Same for mine!

Cant wait for Ripatorium 2.0 to see what the community cooks!

[frail bloom]

We should ask for more customizability on how many enemies we can choose

[green estuary]

it's not just that they're dying too fast, I could lower the demon damage sliders if that were the issue (though that's also a workaround, not a solution)
it's the way they're dying which I feel takes a lot of the satisfaction out of the game

[frail bloom]

There's a problem where there's a determined interval

[warm ibex]

and that's totally fine! to each their own, absolutely. I just don't think that's any excuse to comprimise what TDA sets out to accomplish

[frail bloom]

If I want 60 mancubi damn it I want 60 mancubi

Is there a reason why they have it in intervals like does it mess up spawns

[wheat sigil]

how would good balancing somehow compromise any ideal of TDA?

[frail bloom]

Maybe 60 komodoes don't fit in one arena lmao

[obsidian shard]

I want them to make the IRL collectibles like they did with Eternal

[frail bloom]

But 60 imp stalkers could!!

Chat I wanna fight 60 imp stalkers how can I achieve this

[obsidian shard]

I think the issue is Projectiles and Particules

[frail bloom]

But wha abt 60 imp stalkers

[green estuary]

this exactly
the game is meant to have the guns/melee take center stage, but in a given fight it's the runes that put in the most work, which is annoying

[frail bloom]

[green estuary]

like I modded my copy to make runes be 50% as effective and that feels great, so I can't complain
but the fact is that in the vanilla game, hunting for parryable projectiles and letting the runes do the work is honestly a tremendously effective strategy, which lowk kinda sucks

encourage the player to be more aggressive goddammit

[wheat sigil]

ye been thinking this since launch lol

[frail bloom]

I don't want to change the rune varriables tho I'd just build the master levels around it

Or your ripatorium preset around it

Just increase what you can handle

[green estuary]

you're not getting it
there's a certain amount of damage you as a player can deal
all I'm saying is that runes make up far too much of that number

[warm ibex]

yeah that makes sense

[wheat sigil]

more parryable attacks wouldn't exactly make the strat of hanging back and parrying everything worse

[warm ibex]

I get what you mean now @green estuary

[green estuary]

good

[frail bloom]

You can't hang back tho like if you have more enemies you're pressured to move around more

[green estuary]

I'm not arguing that the game gives the player too much power

it's just I'd want the power to be centralized elsewhere

[wheat sigil]

unless it's komodos or hitscan, the pressure isn't particularly high on the player

[green estuary]

yeah, you can kinda just circle around the outside of the arena and deal massive damage by parrying projectiles
you don't have to, and I don't, but it's the easiest way to play the game as of now

[wheat sigil]

and hitscan sucks, obviously

[green estuary]

speaking of which, you need to try out my cosmic baron mod

(shameless plug)

[wheat sigil]

mmh-hmm, is it on nexus?

[frail bloom]

What abt revenants, cacodemons, agaddons

[green estuary]

yes

[frail bloom]

Any enemy with a tracking projectile

Kinda hard to "hang back"

[wheat sigil]

not really

[frail bloom]

Are you literally talking abt not moving

That makes no sense if you are

[green estuary]

nah you just gotta strafe m8

[wheat sigil]

one of the biggest issues with tracking projectiles is literally how it discourages aggressive play

[green estuary]

we mean hang back as in play passively as opposed to pushing forward

[frail bloom]

Ok all I get rn is that they deal too much damage but you can't "hang back"

[wheat sigil]

no

[frail bloom]

Ohh

Ok I'm getting it

Well it's too late to nerf them now

[green estuary]

sadge

[frail bloom]

Well they're fun

I like seeing a manc vaporize every once and a while

Just absolutely explode

[green estuary]

there's a reason kreed takes basically no damage from runes
because if he did the fight would be over in about 5 seconds once he starts giving you parryable projectiles

[wheat sigil]

will check ou whenever i hop on tda next

[frail bloom]

Ah so he has a huge resistance

[green estuary]

yep

[frail bloom]

Unlike the leader variants

They just die

By like two parryables

[green estuary]

yep yep

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm getting it

Well you did mention the game started to pick up near the end despite the runes

So they can still somewhat salvage this officially

[green estuary]

reason why leader revs are so much harder than other leader heavies is because they don't take damage from most shield runes because of their ghost form (though heaven splitter stunning them out of it is total bullshit)

[frail bloom]

Barrels and plasma shield dudes also bring them out

I believe

[green estuary]

the game isn't so much lacking in difficulty, like I said (though on default sliders it isn't hard enough)

but yeah, the enemy comps eventually adjusted to the rune power

[warm ibex]

I know we're a little past this but did no one consider that charges depleting upon melee swap is an intentional balance choice that asks the player to think before they swap?

[frail bloom]

They can some enemy that goes against a busted rune

Wait no nvm

No stone imp stuff

[green estuary]

I'm 95% sure that's the reason

they don't usually do things by accident (unless it's all of eternal's weapon tech, then it's an accident lol)

[wheat sigil]

half of what makes eternal really fun to play for a long time is just happy little accidents😭

[warm ibex]

true lmao

[frail bloom]

What if they had an enemy that wasn't stunned by heaven splitter

[green estuary]

hugo edit with bob ross's hair incoming

[frail bloom]

And it actually buffed the demon

[warm ibex]

I mean I still think that being able to swap melee weapons without entering the menu first is inherently against the launch philosophy of "pick a melee/rune/weapon build and stick with it" but at least there's still a level of thought/strategy to it

[frail bloom]

It's a big F you

[frail bloom]

I kinda like it more then the launch philosophy

[warm ibex]

and that's not me saying that I don't want melee/rune swap

[frail bloom]

I felt like it held you back in some spots

[warm ibex]

yeah I'm not against it, I just think it's a bit of a backpedal

[frail bloom]

Maybe they really did just accidentally figure out the loop for eternal and somehow stuck with it without changing it

I used to think it was meticulous but no they just got lucky

Not that the loop for dark ages is changing but they've changed and added a lotta stuff

[green estuary]

no, the combat loop was genius
but all of the crazy shit that the highest level players do is mostly accidental

[frail bloom]

Ye but eternal never got major gameplay changes y'know

[green estuary]

has tda gotten major gameplay changes?

[frail bloom]

Not gameplay changes like several qol changes and some backpedaling

[mystic barn]

I suppose id Software could blast through their levels with one melee weapon and one rune, but play testing is a different beast to actual players. It seems as though actual players want to fight according to the arena, so opening the menu to change melee per arena is tedious

[green estuary]

wait until you hear about the backpedaling that happened in the good ol days of eternal

[frail bloom]

Like we ain't doing the build thing anymore

[frail bloom]

That was mostly difficulty tho right

Like tag 1 changes and tag 2

Didn't tag 2 have like a segment in world spear where it was all imps

[green estuary]

they literally disabled quickswapping for a little while there

[frail bloom]

That is genuinely horrible if true

[frail bloom]

Nvm they goofed up in their hayday

[green estuary]

crazy right

[frail bloom]

I have been proven wrong

I never knew that

That sounds ridiculous

[green estuary]

update 2.1 patchnotes (written by Josh btw) read as follows:
"Weapon Quick Switch has been enabled again in both Campaign and BATTLEMODE (Thanks again for all of your passionate community feedback!)"

[frail bloom]

Passionate lol

I can hear the fuming

[wheat sigil]

yea they disabled FSE😭

[wheat sigil]

not the intended quick swaps, but pb+rocket being fast

[green estuary]

many pitchforks were picked up

[wheat sigil]

as well as pb+sticky or punch cancels of them

[green estuary]

yes

aka the good stuff

[wheat sigil]

it's kinda crazy how many FSE activators the devs knew of, they even knew about the ssg reload animation activating it

they almost got all lol

[green estuary]

I suppose writing the code has to mean something

[frail bloom]

Ye that was a huge goof up I bet no one remembers that

There was a time where they took out quickswapping

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[frail bloom]

Y'all remember the imp wave in world spear

Was that real

[green estuary]

which one?

[wheat sigil]

unintentional quick swaps*

[harsh egret]

the stone imps?

[wheat sigil]

or most of them at least, since BATS still existed

[frail bloom]

Srill not good

[green estuary]

pretty much every world spear wave is 90% imps

[obsidian shard]

Stone imp

[frail bloom]

No I remember it being during release

It was in the arena with the fountain

It was just a huge wave of standard imps

[harsh egret]

i dont remember

[green estuary]

can't believe they fixed the chaingun shield deleting stone imps btw

[harsh egret]

oh nvm i do

[frail bloom]

I think they changed it

[harsh egret]

no clue

[frail bloom]

Bc no one liked it

[warm ibex]

they sure were fond of those imps man

[wheat sigil]

and inadvertently added in chaingun shield bulldozer in the process😭

[frail bloom]

Imagine fighting a wave of fodder in an expansion pack

[obsidian shard]

I would say so if since they did add 4 of em to TDA lol

[wheat sigil]

i'm at least pretty sure that has something to do with when they made it not op against stimps

[green estuary]

did they really
I thought that was always in the game

[obsidian shard]

I love me my imps

3 Different Mancubi is simply peak tho

[warm ibex]

I'm not complaining though, Imp Stalkers remain goated

[wheat sigil]

nah, it was added in the same update they removed chaingun against stimps

[green estuary]

who says you have to imagine? just go play tag 2 rn

[green estuary]

ah

[frail bloom]

No pls I like me

I don't wanna

Now I'll fight 60 imp stalkers

[foggy breach]

Oops! All Imps!

[frail bloom]

I'll let my runes do all the work

[wheat sigil]

1 ground fissure and it's over😭