the-dark-ages

[green estuary]

Ah

But why

Isn’t he easier to get rid of

[frail bloom]

Well cuz I wanna get rid of him and his hitscan as fast as possible

Plus bc of the caco and battle knight pressure

[frail bloom]

I've been on this fight for like 2 hours

[uneven dragon]

which

[frail bloom]

Final fight in reckoning

I'm done

2 hrs and for what

@cerulean pagoda you got any tips for the final fight in reckoning

It's uh, smt

(It's a disease)

Negative language I know but it's that bad

[cerulean pagoda]

hmm let me search through my memory file

so the first tip i can sggest is that when he begins summoning the fireballs with the purple shield that he shoots dont try and block it with the shield, try jumping around and dodging them because you dont want your shield breaking

second tip, use impaler more and in close range try using some rockets to heal from hell surge attacks and the glory strikes

third tip, use mace whenever you see him falter, and when your mace is recharging, whenever you see a yellow circle try to land SSG cancels if you can, another time you can use the mace is when he jumps and stabs his spear into the ground and begins releasing shockwaves, you can mace him to stagger him and open in for another SSG cancel

[frail bloom]

Uh this for the acolye?

[green estuary]

nah

[cerulean pagoda]

the final bossfight

[green estuary]

ass crack

[frail bloom]

No not the boss

[cerulean pagoda]

i thought you meant azhrak by final arena
oh nvm

[frail bloom]

The final fight

Lol

[cerulean pagoda]

the vagary?

or the one where you get berserk

[frail bloom]

Yes that arena

[frail bloom]

This one

[cerulean pagoda]

strategize parrying the cosmic projectiles with the green thing in the middle outlined by purple stuff, use it to falter the champion whiel youre fighting the cosmic baron so you dont get interrupted, sneak in dreadmaces whenever you can, use rockets and fun fact(You can basically ignore the rocket cooldowns by just making the rockets hit faster), so get to the ideal distance, strafe so you dont get owned by the smelly stuff it shoots out, use the cycler if you run out of ammo, when its armor is broken, go in for some impaler shots, ssg shots when you get close, parry some of its projectiles and that should get you through

[frail bloom]

There's a cosmic baron???

I'm so cooked

[cerulean pagoda]

yes there is

for the acolyte you can stun it with the shieldsaw and go in for ssg shots

[frail bloom]

Hey so is there two phases to this fight like if I kill the cyberdemon leader does that count as a checkpoint

Or do I have to really go through the entirety of that one arena

[cerulean pagoda]

if you kill the cyberdemon leader yes that counts as a checkpoint for the next fight

[frail bloom]

HOLY MOLY

That's huge

Ye I'll try again soon

[cerulean pagoda]

after you kill the leader you get another checkpoint for when the vagary spawns in so you have checkpoints

for the bossfight

I have to go study so bye

[harsh egret]

i have tip for you Samir

get good

fk man ive been slacking on my playthrough that i started like a week ago

so many games, too little time

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/got-em-lmao-mind-blown-squad-gif-17265113

incredible hato, I don't know how you do it

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/like-cat-funny-cat-like-smol-gif-17770654428999084966

[idle sleet]

On Sential Command Station, I'm getting a bug with a perma stunned pinky rider that isn't executable in the encounter right after you get the Ravagar.

I bash and I bash and I bash and he just doesn't die. Stays perma-locked in purple falter state, waiting to be executed. I've tried restarted the encounter. Tried restarting the level... can't get past this encounter. is this known to anyone else?

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doom-goku-meme-prowler-gif-4719372935125368569

Ye I just gotta readjust to the buggy komodo ai swinging me around like a doll while a tyrant spawns spikes up my ass

Super easy

[idle sleet]

this is happening on nearly every encounter now... different level, same big bad heavy boss ends in a perma-purple stun waiting to be executed. sigh

[hazy pasture]

That's a weird bug ngl

[obsidian shard]

this is the Ripatorium in campaign bug

[idle sleet]

Great. I'm not the only one. lol. What is the bug? and can I fix it?

[obsidian shard]

open a new save, play a level then restart your game and your original game should be all good

if it doesn't work then keep trying it again

[obsidian shard]

its a common bug

[idle sleet]

gotta play through to that level in the new save?

[hazy pasture]

Looks like I haven't played much after the updates to encounter this bug

[obsidian shard]

id knows about it, should be patched out next update or Ripatorium 2.0 update (not confiemed tho)

[obsidian shard]

no, just beat a level

and then restart the game

[idle sleet]

great. thanks, @obsidian shard

[obsidian shard]

no problem

glad I could help!

[meager vortex]

this week streaming coming hugo he said he will show us ripatorium2.0 preview

[obsidian shard]

he could yes, also depends on how far things have come for that as he said too

[meager vortex]

maybe next week update or another week later update

but not this week

[obsidian shard]

end of month or December is my guess

[meager vortex]

that is not good

[green estuary]

[obsidian shard]

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-3024076296169207039

[hazy pasture]

I only knew we had slayer of agreement

[meager vortex]

im watched update log but there are no started update end of month

[daring zodiac]

i just spawned into one of the titan sections regular sized

[meager vortex]

i set the alarm this week friday 7am

because watch the stream

[solar cairn]

When the master lvl campaign is already..

[hazy pasture]

Spam the BFC

[warm hamlet]

Does The Dark Ages happen before or after the Doom Slayer enters the divinity machine?

[daring zodiac]

i tried lol

[hazy pasture]

It happens just after the divinity machine empowerment, very likely a few weeks or years after the Taras Nabad attack

Also you're Zemini's evil twin tomato if I'm not wrong

[hazy pasture]

Oh dang how did it go?

[warm hamlet]

[hazy pasture]

Greetings Piraldo

[uneven dragon]

after

[daring zodiac]

3 arrows kill one titan 🤣

[hazy pasture]

Lmaooooo

[random sand]

It takes almost the whole loadout to kill one of 'em without it. I tried too😭

[hazy pasture]

Do melee hits even register on em? Haven't tried that

[random sand]

Didn't try that but i doubt it

[hazy pasture]

Might just phase through their models tbh

[hard thistle]

Soundtrack for dark ages is so peak

[obsidian shard]

Yes sir

All the DOOM Games have a banging soundtrack

[hard thistle]

Fr

[hazy pasture]

What's your favourite track?

[hazy pasture]

True

[hard thistle]

Either infernal chasm, battle on the blackened tide, or Unchained Predator

[hazy pasture]

Gotta love the dramatic and grandeur build up in Battle of the Blackened Tide

[hard thistle]

Yesss

[hazy pasture]

For me it would be Hellspawn Rift, Unchained Predator and Unholy Siege

SSS tier imo

[hazy pasture]

Infernal Chasm is peam as well

[obsidian shard]

Hellspawn Rift and Pursuit of Demons are Underrated BANGERS

[frail bloom]

Everyone talks abt the best tracks but what are the worse tracks

[obsidian shard]

ohh damn

hmmm

[frail bloom]

Worse doesn't mean bad persay

Just means it's not as good as the others

We'll go this game, then we'll do the entirety of nu doom

For me, the worse tracks in this game are colossus unleashed and hellspawn rift

[hazy pasture]

Hellspawn Rift is pretty good, I guess Blood Red might be 50/50 for me

[frail bloom]

Oh see we're opposite

[hazy pasture]

Maybe because I've listened to it a lotta times

[frail bloom]

I love blood red

Ok well we're on a stalemate

[obsidian shard]

Apotheosis or Blood spill for me and fucking love these 2 tracks

[frail bloom]

This game has much more varied opinions when it comes to ost

Everytime someone talks abt the eternal ost TOTTIFY is 80% gonna be #1

[hazy pasture]

I never said I find Blood Red bad, I think listening to it way too much has made me not wanna hear it much or at all

[frail bloom]

Nah nah I can understand

[hazy pasture]

Apotheosis my beloved since day 1

[frail bloom]

Speaking of eternal

[obsidian shard]

Atlan Battleground is pure peak

[frail bloom]

Worse tracks in that game

[hazy pasture]

Pursuit of Demons is hella underrated man

[hazy pasture]

Very D'16 ost vibes

[half marlin]

not for me
for me it's immora

or hell on earth

[hazy pasture]

Funny enough I love TDA's ost more than Eternal's in general.

[half marlin]

and tottify is lower tier just for being overhyped alone lol

[hazy pasture]

Pretty much true

[obsidian shard]

TOTTFIY is overrated asf but not my least fav
Probably Hell on Earth or The Khan Maykr

[frail bloom]

Khan mayker for sure

What was that track lol

[obsidian shard]

the Eternal OST in general is 75% ambience but thats aside effect of the OST being a fucking gongshow

[hazy pasture]

Yeah I forgot bout that track lol

[obsidian shard]

NOISE, aside from the Khan's/Urdak Theme it was like plain noise

[hazy pasture]

Hmm I think Meathook had me hooked more than TOTTFIY

[obsidian shard]

same actually

[frail bloom]

What abt 2016

We gotta dig in

[hazy pasture]

Even though some of my friends at first said Meathook is more of a noise than music and that was back in 2020

[hazy pasture]

Hmm... Skull Hacker?

[frail bloom]

Prob

[hazy pasture]

I don't really remember most of the tracks from 2016 sadly

[obsidian shard]

I do find the Worst of Mick and FM is very different

FM will have "Generic Metal" for their "Worst" Tracks
Mick will have Noise for the sake of noise

[frail bloom]

Colossus unleashed

That's just me

[obsidian shard]

the chanting in that song tho ughhhh, soo good

[hazy pasture]

Isn't it one of the ambient tracks? Or am I wrong

[obsidian shard]

Vega Core or Skull hacker

[frail bloom]

Eh idk it sounds like a castle crashers song or smt

[frail bloom]

Funny enough ppl love vega core and I don't get it

[obsidian shard]

Its a full track

All prefrence

[frail bloom]

I feel like it's more apparent in Micks work nowadays like have you seen the new defect trailer?

Specifically the title drop?

It did not jive with me at all

[hazy pasture]

Skull Hacker for me. Even though I didn't find Rust, Dust and Guts much interesting, the name itself made me forgive it

[obsidian shard]

That and the Underking
Like its good but theres just Noise in half of it and it kills it for me

[frail bloom]

I actually rather like rust dust and guts, but I don't listen to it bc of the ridiculous amt of buildup

[hazy pasture]

Defect? Yeah I noticed that but I was too engrossed into the gameplay kekw

[hazy pasture]

Yeah fair enough

Also wasn't Mick previously working on a horror game?

[frail bloom]

No I'm pretty sure it's been mostly defect?

[obsidian shard]

Hes been kinda everywhere as of late

[frail bloom]

Nvm

All I have is his youtube channel I'm not sure what he's doing besides defect

[hard thistle]

I prefer TDA's OST over 2016's. I prefer Eternal's over both.

[frail bloom]

That's where I land yeah

Call me crazy y'all, but 2016 doesn't hve that many outstanding tracks

[hazy pasture]

He left the previous project he took

[frail bloom]

For me

[obsidian shard]

he wasn't on it fully was he?
Like he left halfway through development so his music is in the game but its not all his?
I may be thing of a different game

[hazy pasture]

I mean that's honestly true

[frail bloom]

If that's the case then prob

[hazy pasture]

Yeah that horror game

[frail bloom]

I'm not sure

[hazy pasture]

ROUTINE

I remembered

[obsidian shard]

ahh tyty

[hazy pasture]

It's Routine

[frail bloom]

Ye just googled the composer for it and it says gordon

[hazy pasture]

Yup

[covert blaze]

Is Eternal's one by Mick Gordon? If not, who?

[hazy pasture]

Also from 2016 there's BFG Division, Rip & Tear, At DOOM's Gate

[hazy pasture]

Yes mate

[frail bloom]

Think abt it tho, you got bfg division, ok. Hell walker, alr. Rip and tear, ok. Then what?

At dooms gate?

[hazy pasture]

Uhh Vega Core? Hell Walker

[covert blaze]

SkullHacker.

[frail bloom]

I mean popular consensus

[hard thistle]

Eternal itself is Mick Gordon. TAG1 and TAG2 are Andrew Hulshult and David Levy.

[hazy pasture]

Dogma? Or something was the name but that was just reiterated first part of Slayer's Testaments

[frail bloom]

Well idk I don't have a chart

[frail bloom]

Wait you're on to something dogma was very peak

What was it it was the hell track

[covert blaze]

Rust, Dust & Guts.

[frail bloom]

With the humongous chants

[hazy pasture]

Holup

[obsidian shard]

Fuck, Andrew and David COOKED, my 2 favourite tracks of Eternal are from TAG

[frail bloom]

Good track but like too much buildup

[meager vortex]

i have a doom the dark ages sound track

[hard thistle]

Yeah most of my favorite Eternal tracks are from TAG.

[hazy pasture]

I. Dogma

[frail bloom]

Dogma is peak

[hazy pasture]

It is vro

[obsidian shard]

Blood Swamps and The Ancient Gods (Main Menu)

[hazy pasture]

True

[obsidian shard]

i dont think that counts...

[frail bloom]

Immora

[frail bloom]

Hol on lemme find the name

[hazy pasture]

Doesn't matter, It's peam

[covert blaze]

The transition from I. Dogma to Rip & Tear is so peak.

[hazy pasture]

It is man

[obsidian shard]

it is indeed peak and flawless

[frail bloom]

Ok we meant damnation

Damnation was intense

[hazy pasture]

Damnation is coolio

Love that track

Wait we do have quite a few good tracks from 2016

[frail bloom]

Ye like 5

Ok but think abt dark ages now

Opinions may vary

[hazy pasture]

Hmm Unchained Predator

[covert blaze]

Agreed.

[hazy pasture]

Unholy Siege

Infernal Chasm

[frail bloom]

But I can list unchained predator, WTSFL, from the ashes, blood red, unholy siege, into the void, what lies below, infernal chasm

[hazy pasture]

When the Shadows First Lengthened

[covert blaze]

Battle on the Blackened Tide, or Between Hex and Flame.

[frail bloom]

Those too

[hazy pasture]

Blood Spill

[frail bloom]

They keep piling up

[hazy pasture]

Apotheosis

Hmm what's more

[frail bloom]

Now let's go to eternal

If we want to

[hazy pasture]

Meathook

Let's do it mate

[frail bloom]

Meathook, tottify, cultist base, gladiator, hell on earth, sgn

[hazy pasture]

666 bpm or something but a cut track

[obsidian shard]

Unchained Predator
Infernal Chasm
When the Shadows First Lengthened
Battle on the Blacked Tide
Unholy Siege
From the Ashes
Atlan Battleground
Blood Red
Into the Void
What Lies Below

[hazy pasture]

Super Gore Nest

[hazy pasture]

What Lies Below mentioned

[frail bloom]

Wait eternal might have the least lmao

[hazy pasture]

Actually

TDA has the most

[frail bloom]

Which is funny cuz it's my fav ost

[hazy pasture]

Lolol

[obsidian shard]

Eternals indiviual tracks are better than TDA but allrounder TDA has the most "better" tracks

[frail bloom]

I guess it's cuz of the variety

[hazy pasture]

Agreed

[hazy pasture]

Yuh

[frail bloom]

Like no one on planet sheen is confusing tottify with cultist base

[hazy pasture]

Yup yup

I love Cultist Base

[frail bloom]

From the ashes is cultist base to me

If it makes you want to run through a wall it's a classic

[hazy pasture]

I think TOTTFIY is way too overrated to the point that I sometimes hate it when I hear it

[hazy pasture]

Very true

[frail bloom]

I think it's deserved idk

Too much hype over it at this point but there's a reason why a mass of people love it

Groovy, bouncy, pop like

[hazy pasture]

I mean I loved it too back then

[obsidian shard]

TOTTFIY
Meathook
Cultist base
DOOM Hunted
Super Gore Nest
BFG 10K
DOOM Eternal (Main Menu)
Gladiator

[frail bloom]

It's just oversaturated

[hazy pasture]

Yeah the correct wording

[hazy pasture]

Gladiator is very cool

[frail bloom]

Eh not metal hell

Idk abt metal hell

Metal hell feels bland to listen to

[obsidian shard]

thats why i put the ???, like its a great track but it faces the problem of "Noise"

[half marlin]

i've learned music modding for the sole purpose of replacing metal hell with immora

[frail bloom]

It's a bland rust dust and guts

[obsidian shard]

damn alr

[hazy pasture]

Dang mate

[obsidian shard]

DOOM Arena Board game stretch goal prices got unlocked

they are All 5000£ away from each other all the way to 155,000£

[hazy pasture]

Holy moly

Peam

[obsidian shard]

and we unlocked the 5 slayer mins and holy peam

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1435313603111686165/32f548e1d905406d24ae34cb9e9b28d6_original.png?ex=690b8375&is=690a31f5&hm=7daba388c48c4d0f1d6d29eab0fd2dbe3344cbc2884d07cc90c9fbde0d575ed2&

[hazy pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-true-launch-the-true-doom-launch-the-true-gif-17039720600748597696

[hazy pasture]

So beautiful

[green estuary]

best track in the goddamn game

[hazy pasture]

True true

It's really good

[green estuary]

only hell track from any of the three games that makes you feel like you're actually in hell

not that I have anything against metal hell, meathook, infernal chasm, etc. but they just aren't the same

[south pilot]

ngl dark ages track is good but its no where near eternal and 2016

my opinion

[obsidian shard]

Hmm interesting

For me it's just slightly lower than Eternal but above 2016!

[frail bloom]

No where near is interesting

I don't even consider 2016 way below dark ages

Still below

[solar cairn]

Launch the next patch

[warm ibex]

Launch more patience

[green estuary]

[hazy pasture]

Brochacho after DLC releases : Launch the next game

[south pilot]

for me the dark ages track was slow

like infernal chasm had nearly a minute build up but it wasnt even good it was just random sounds

[uneven dragon]

howww is hell on earth your least fav

[hazy pasture]

In the end it's all about preference

[uneven dragon]

BFG Division, Harbinger, Residual, Mastermind, VEGA Core, Dr Samuel Hayden, idkill.vega, Authorisation: Olivia Pierce, Damnation?

[hazy pasture]

Damnation was good

Vega Core too

BFG Division is pretty cool as always

[red peak]

Random sounds?

[hazy pasture]

Maybe he is talking about the end part or something

[red peak]

Idk

[ionic glade]

Based. Damnation is in my top 5 across all the new Doom games

[hazy pasture]

Peam

[green estuary]

"random sounds" lmfao

[craggy jungle]

when is the dlc happening

[green estuary]

nobody knows

[uneven dragon]

2026 Probably

[green estuary]

"some time in the foreseeable future"

[uneven dragon]

2035

[hazy pasture]

Hmm dunno mate have patience

[green estuary]

heresy
damnation, rip and tear, bfg division, vega core, at doom's gate, hellwalker, skullhacker, harbinger

skullhacker is one that not a lot of people recognize by name but it's absolutely unmistakable

[frail bloom]

Harbringer is waaay too repetitive

[green estuary]

harbinger is probably the weakest one on that list yeah

but it's also a track that works better in-game than in an OST release

[uneven dragon]

in game not rly

and even then it's structured like how doom 3 theme is

[frail bloom]

Interesting cuz 2016's ost is known for it's dependency on build up

[frail bloom]

Well I'm talking abt what you can listen to and all I hear is the Doom 3 theme repeating 6 times

[frail bloom]

Also interesting

[green estuary]

2016 has for sure my favorite OST out of all the modern doom games (also out of all the games I've ever played)
TAG 1 and TDA are pretty close, followed by eternal and then TAG 2

[uneven dragon]

it plays the doom 3 main riff twice and otherwise features a really good buildup???

[green estuary]

there isn't even a single mediocre heavy track in 2016's list

[frail bloom]

No it's like 6 times when I listened to it on spotify

[hazy pasture]

Anyways it's around 4 am for me so I'll head to sleep. Cya later folks

[frail bloom]

And too much buildup man

I don't want 5 min total of build up

Call me crazy.

[green estuary]

yeah, it's one that works much better in-game as you're going from gore nest to gore nest

[frail bloom]

Ye I can understand that

[uneven dragon]

yea i just checked it's 3 times

[hard thistle]

I don't mean to sound like a contrarian but I would consider Transistor Fist to be that. And Damnation. ||And BFG Division.||

[frail bloom]

But while listening it's underwhelming

[uneven dragon]

Flesh and Metal is the mediocre track of 2016

that one is just like Ok I Guess

[hard thistle]

I'm sorry but BFG Division is overrated as fuck. People act like it's the modern Doom track, but it isn't even in my top, like, 7 favorite Doom 2016 songs.

[green estuary]

transistor fist maybe
damnation is my favorite video game track of all time
BFG division is overrated, but it's also amazing

[uneven dragon]

the reason why people act like that is because it's the one used in all the promo, game awards, and referenced all throughout the soundtrack of not only 2016 but eternal and even tag

as well as playing twice in 2016 and for the finale of vfr

[green estuary]

rip and tear feels more like the quintessential doom 2016 track

[hard thistle]

It is, but it's just not my thing.

[frail bloom]

Well it's prob rated higher then the others cuz imo it has a central melody ppl latch on to

[hard thistle]

The best Doom 2016 song is VEGA Core. Followed by Mastermind. Followed by Skullhacker.

[frail bloom]

There's a clip of mick talking abt how ppl latch on to melody

[uneven dragon]

good to see another VEGA Core enjoyer

[frail bloom]

As part of being completely invested into a song

[green estuary]

vega core is a banger

[frail bloom]

Bfg division falls under that

I don't care for vega core

[hard thistle]

It goes so hard. I love the cool robotic noises. My only issue is that the OST version lacks a really cool beeping tone they use in the buildup in the actual game.

[frail bloom]

Atleast the ost version

[green estuary]

vega core just nukes my ears with bass and it's fucking awesome

it's a little harsh but that doesn't make it any worse

[frail bloom]

I'm more into the rythmic stuff then just bassy sounds

[uneven dragon]

Damnation is the best Hell theme out of the nudoom games 🙂‍↕️

[frail bloom]

Yup

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-denzel-my-man-denzel-washington-myyyy-man-gif-376647294737879812

[frail bloom]

Yup

Infernal chasm is a good second tho

[uneven dragon]

im not sure whether i rank infernal chasm or metal hell higher

[green estuary]

is rip and tear counted as a hell track

[frail bloom]

And I don't like metal hell

Metal hell is so bland to me

[uneven dragon]

the ambient part of metal hell is fire

[frail bloom]

Oh for sure

[uneven dragon]

rest of it is just like Ok

[green estuary]

I lowk feel the same way about metal hell as I do with a lot of eternal tracks
it goes hard for the first minute but overstays its welcome

[frail bloom]

But the combat part is a rust dust and guts knock off

[hard thistle]

Here, fuck you. Top three songs in every Doom game with a soundtrack worth ranking:

Doom 1993: Untitled, Nobody Told Me About id, The Imp's Song
Doom II: Into Sandy's City, Shawn's Got the Shotgun, The Demons Dead
Doom 2016: VEGA Core, Mastermind, Skullhacker
Doom Eternal: Davoth, UAC Atlantica, Hell on Earth
The Dark Ages: Apotheosis, Ancestral Beast, What Lies Below

[frail bloom]

You didn't have to cuss me out lmao

[uneven dragon]

Hell on Earth in top 3 is so real

[green estuary]

maybe I would like it more if it didn't appear in two levels I don't particularly enjoy

[hard thistle]

Hearing the lighter part of it in the first level and then having Final Sin go so hard on the heavy melody is some of the coolest music shit in this series. Love it.

[green estuary]

probably why I'm also negatively biased against some of the tag2 tracks because I really hate most of those levels

[frail bloom]

Here, for you. Top three songs in every Doom game with a soundtrack worth ranking:

Doom 1993: sign of evil, dark halls, waltz of the demons
Doom II: romero's waiting to play, message for the archvile, dave d taylor blues
Doom 2016: hellwalker, damnation, rust dust and guts
Doom Eternal: tottify, immora, uac atlantica
The Dark Ages: unholy siege, blood red, What Lies Below

This is very tailored to me ngl

My doom 2 picks are prob controversial

[hard thistle]

Removing the "fuck you" is a bad move. If you aren't presenting your opinions with at least a bit of vitriol and pompousness, are they even opinions worth having?

[frail bloom]

Well I don't wanna be mean

Just uh consider it

[south pilot]

yeha but 2016 build ups was still music snd rlly good. dark ages build ups were literally just random stuff that wasnt music

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-fine-sigh-all-right-gif-22904120

[frail bloom]

Interesting

I disagree

Interesting.

[hard thistle]

I actually adore TDA's soundtrack though, gotta say, and I don't like people acting like it's a big step down from Mick Gordon's work. I would argue TDA's OST is more consistently good than 2016's, which has a lot of standouts but a decent number of boring nothingburger tracks.

[half marlin]

Here, fuck you. Top three songs in not every Doom game with a soundtrack worth ranking:

Doom 1993: at doom's gate, dark halls, the imp song
Doom 2016: harbinger, damnation, rip & tear
Doom Eternal: hell on earth, immora, uac atlantica
The Dark Ages: infernal chasm, into the void, ancestral beast

[hard thistle]

By far the best use of music in this franchise is having Enhanced Ahzrak's first two boss themes going harder and more oppressive, but then the third phase after he kills Serrat has the music play your theme instead of his. It's absolutely incredible. That detail helped to heighten that boss and its cutscenes as my favorite sequence in the series.

[south pilot]

listen to the build up for infernal chasm and tell me thats music. then listen to bfg divison build up

how is literal wind sounds music

[hard thistle]

I have listened to both of these several times and I prefer Infernal Chasm.

[half marlin]

choir and violin = wind
ok yeah alr

[frail bloom]

Yes it's called orchestra you donut

[south pilot]

infernal chasms good part is rlly good icl but it lasts for like 30 seconds whereas bfg divison abt 90% of it is heavy music

[frail bloom]

Talkin to me abt wind noises

[south pilot]

oh god here we go.

i shared an opinion and people are going crazy

[hard thistle]

BFG Division is just the same two melodies over and over, man. Like I swear sometimes it feels like BFG Division is a 50 second song stretched out for 5 minutes.

[south pilot]

so is infernal chasm

[half marlin]

because you make it sound like a fact and not an opinion

[green estuary]

if by "going crazy" you mean disagreeing with you, then yes

[half marlin]

"opinion"

[south pilot]

and plus 2016 has way more actual songs whereas dadk ages is too much ambient

[frail bloom]

[lament lotus]

Do y'all think we could get an update that lets us hot swap melee weapons? It's really the only thing stopping me from using Gauntlets more often.

[hard thistle]

They're just bantering back with you, man. That's just how it goes. You say your opinion like you think it's fact, then people say you're wrong like they think that's a fact, and there is a general air of "get a load of this guy" from everyone. That's just how it rolls.

[frail bloom]

Deadass I feel the opposite

[half marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[south pilot]

ok dude

grow up lowkey

[uneven dragon]

umm umm uhh umm fuck you uhh

Doom: Sign of Evil, Deep Into The Code, Intermission from DOOM
Sigil: Romero One Mind Any Weapon, Hate Machine,
Sigil II: Chainsaw Chorus, Evil Dead, Walls of the Minotaur
Doom II: Running From Evil, Into Sandy's City, Opening To Hell
Legacy of Rust: The Shores of Heaven, TAGTLAY, Bonk
Doom 64: Doom 64 Theme, The Madness, Chrystalline Chaos
Doom 3: Doom 3 Theme, Hellknight, Erebus
Doom 2016: VEGA Core, Dr Samuel Hayden,
Doom Eternal: Gladiator, Hell on Earth, TOTTFIY
TAG (fuck you it gets its own section): Immora, Blood Swamps, Davoth
The Dark Ages: Blood Red, Into the Void, Unholy Siege

[half marlin]

i'm probably older than you lol

[south pilot]

dark ages was lazy at a lot of parts

[south pilot]

sure

idc

[frail bloom]

What felt lazy to you

I have some points

[half marlin]

if you did you wouldn't say it to begin with 🥰

[uneven dragon]

had to separate tag and lor otherwise they'd fill every doom ii and eternal spot and atp might as well separate sigil

[frail bloom]

They might not be the same

[hard thistle]

If I were to separate Eternal and TAG:

Eternal: Hell on Earth, Only Thing They Fear, Gladiator
TAG: Davoth, UAC Atlantica, Seraphim

[frail bloom]

Btw this is happening

[south pilot]

just random bs. 2016s tracks were just full of music and good stuff but i dont want to listen a lazy minute build up to 30 seconds of chorus back to an ambient.

[uneven dragon]

glad that we have the exact same eternal top 3 lol

[frail bloom]

I think you're misremembering

Just gonna be honest

[half marlin]

fuck you, If I were to separate Eternal and TAG:

Eternal: Hell on Earth, Cultist Base, SGN
TAG: Immora, UAC Atlantica, Blood Swamps

[uneven dragon]

Into the Void might lowk be my favourite track in all of nudoom

[frail bloom]

Listen to rust dust and guts and then come back to me

[hard thistle]

Only Thing They Fear is significantly bumped up for the Into Sandy's City section alone.

[south pilot]

i listrn to dark ages too a lot its good i am just saying it is not as good as 2016

[south pilot]

it had good build ups tho that was actual tracks

[uneven dragon]

im not sure i can really rank any nudoom ost above or below each other i can only rank them at specific points

[frail bloom]

What defines music to you

[green estuary]

might as well jump in
1993: I sawed the demons, the imps song, victory music
doom II: intermission, running from evil, shawn's got the shotgun
doom 3: couldn't give 2 shits
2016: damnation, rip and tear, vega core
eternal: bfg 10k, super gore nest, the baron of hell (so literally just mars core lmao)
TAG: the blood swamps, uac atlantica, the dark lord
TDA: what lies below, wither and writhe, atlan battleground

[frail bloom]

I can get you saying you prefer 2016

That's all good but saying dark ages has less combat tracks or less traditional tracks makes no sense to me

[south pilot]

when its in the context of "doom music" 2016 takes the cake

[uneven dragon]

erm The Baron of Hell is ARC Complex Light Combat not Mars Core 🤓

Mars Core Light Combat is Phobos Base

[green estuary]

wut
but you meet the first baron of hell in mars core

[uneven dragon]

i know

blame chad mossholder

[green estuary]

I'm like 95% sure baron of hell plays in mars core

[uneven dragon]

im like 100% sure youre wrong

[hard thistle]

You guys were talking about Hell tracks, but on a similar topic the sound design for the Cosmic Realm was awesome and felt really cohesive. It really felt like they had a clear and pointed vision of what the Cosmic Realm should feel like and what the atmosphere should be. They did a great job of making it feel otherworldly without focusing so much on ambience you lose the metal.

What Lies Below is one of my favorites for that, it's a banger boss theme but it feels very different from all the other boss themes.

[uneven dragon]

Cosmic Sea gave me the same feelings hearing Urdak in Eternal made me feel

[frail bloom]

What lies below feels like a modern rendition of some ood doom song

[south pilot]

also doom 2016 especially had many more songs even for its less levels that were heavy tracks. where as in dark ages it just repeated the same 4 througout

[frail bloom]

Guys I have an idea

[hard thistle]

Finishing Move deserves an apology from this community. They did an incredible job with TDA's OST and their work doesn't deserve to constantly be compared to Mick Gordon.

[frail bloom]

sigh

Nope.

[uneven dragon]

The Baron of Hell - ARC Complex (combat)
dont just take my word for it lol heres doomwiki

phobos base is the light combat of mars core given the name phobos base

[south pilot]

it did i have the track album on my pc from the premium and have listened to most of them

[frail bloom]

Repeats the same four is factually false

Are you exaggerating

[uneven dragon]

mars core would have my favourite ost in total of any doom level if it weren't for SGN randomly playing at the end which irritates me since (the song) mars core has played for abt 5 seconds before then

[south pilot]

4 give or take

[frail bloom]

Alr I'll just move on

I can see where this is heading

[green estuary]

yeah you're right
they're similar tracks but the baron of hell doesn't play in mars core for whatever reason

[half marlin]

reapavon.....

[south pilot]

where

[frail bloom]

What if we remade dark ages tracks into old doom midi tracks????

Who's with me

Imagine unchained predator in the old doom format

[south pilot]

not my point. i dont want to listen to random bs in a "doom song" when all i want to hear is heavy thats why doom 2016 and eternal was peak

[uneven dragon]

the best doom tda ost moments:

• hearing that triumphant Blood Red moment (you know the one) while flying on serrat in level 5
• hearing the cosmic sea riff upon entering the level
• Doom 64 Theme in Atlan Battleground

[frail bloom]

Not even gonna attempt man just moving along

[south pilot]

so you dont have a response then

[frail bloom]

No bc we both disagree lmao

[half marlin]

def ragebaiting now

[frail bloom]

We won't see eye to eye

[south pilot]

i suppose

[frail bloom]

We have different definitions of noise in music

There's no point

[south pilot]

i just want to clarify i like dark ages

[uneven dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1435347378977898617/pri_60974474.webp?ex=690ba2ea&is=690a516a&hm=948f1c6cb0007cd0d42242e32b35322c563c0fcf1ffda19d8ca24c27f7c18037&

[south pilot]

its just not my cup of tea

[uneven dragon]

my honest reaction

[frail bloom]

That's totally all good man

[south pilot]

but what annoys me

[green estuary]

you expect to be taken seriously when you say tda's soundtrack reuses the same 4 riffs give or take, and you act like the ost just has "random bs" littered throughout it

[south pilot]

is when people do ts

like get lost

[frosty roost]

I love TDA's soundtrack so much

[frail bloom]

Corrax entry 7:17

[south pilot]

what abt gameplay then

[half marlin]

well what annoys me is when people do

[frail bloom]

I love the gameplay

[half marlin]

ts

[frail bloom]

I love the grounded take

[half marlin]

[frosty roost]

listen I've played eternal too okay??

[south pilot]

dsrk ages or 2016

[frail bloom]

Dark ages, 2016 has pretty bad weapon balance but I like its freeform nature

[green estuary]

2016 has great weapon balance, fight me

[south pilot]

no it when randoms start talking abt random bs clogging up the chats thinking they are funny

[green estuary]

if you ignore siege mode

[frail bloom]

Ye like 3 weapons that are optimal and the rest make you actively nerf yourself

[half marlin]

how is it related to what i wrote

[frail bloom]

Siege mode, ssg and rockets are all you need

[unkempt dragon]

[green estuary]

read

[south pilot]

you are talking random bs

ye

[half marlin]

like
no

i think you overuse "random bs" not knowing what it means

[hard thistle]

I realized when I reacted to that message with the "True..." emote that there isn't a Doom one here.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1414608603096158320/1435348007955730482/image.png?ex=690ba380&is=690a5200&hm=03eacd2be17de825ea5605de1bb32fe0cb447b72a9a631351e7a8b68c8e13342&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=800&height=800
If the mods here have any humanity they will make this an emote.

[uneven dragon]

True…

[south pilot]

ts is ragebait

[half marlin]

maybe yes
maybe not
🧐

[hard thistle]

That Vriska one is heinous.

[south pilot]

random bs is not saying anything relevant to the topic. exactly what u are doing

[merry jackal]

Guys what r the major updates from august

[uneven dragon]

[half marlin]

it was related cuz I sincerely thought you're ragebaiting
i still do

[frail bloom]

The ripatorium and acts two and three buffing

[merry jackal]

I haven't played in a long while and it would be nice to know what all updates have happebed

[half marlin]

cuz i still have flaashbacks of a fella doing exactly that

[merry jackal]

Thats it ? No dlc?

[frail bloom]

Now we're gonna see a ripatorium 2.0 preview on thursday

[merry jackal]

Oh damn thats n8ce

[frail bloom]

Oh you want some dlc news?

[merry jackal]

Yea

[frail bloom]

Here hugo shared smt

[frail bloom]

All we know abt DLC so far:

GAMEPLAY:
• Will expand mechanics from the base game in both combat and exploration
-Will be meaningful changes and not tacked on
-"from 2016 to Eternal"(to some extent)
-will increase mobility options
-new melee weapon(axe or Hadberg)?
EXPLORATION:
• Exploration has good backtracking and is especially required in this dlc(to progress meaningfully)
-There will be a hub(most likely the Kreeds ship)
• The puzzles are really fun

• a tool(mechanic) given will lead to some interesting traversal puzzles, not necessarily skill based like Eternal(but seems to be a huge factor either way based on its emphasis, and that will influence the puzzles and movement options in this dlc)
  -lots of secrets and "optional" content that unlocks over time, not all at once when the campaign is finished
  -some Metroidvania-esque elements
  ENEMIES:
  • There will be new ai that shake things up
  -Hugo replied "interesting" to a comment hoping for an Archvile in dlc(hopefully flame boi returns)
  STORY:
  • We will most likely be hunting the high council in dlc
  -dlc will expand the story in ways that people want
  • "Will there be cutscenes in dlc", Hugo's response, " It'll be different, but there will still be a story"
  -these cutscenss are infact more in line with 2016/more immersive and in first person
  -Marok is involved in the dlc(implies a larger role)
  -the witch won't be in the dlc
  -we will see more cosmic realm in the dlc
  VISUAL INFO
  • We have a dlc concept art

[half marlin]

omg

[frail bloom]

Sorry y'all

[south pilot]

i am not. i am giving my point which isnt rage bait at all. rage baiting would be " doom the dark ages is a terrible game"

[merry jackal]

Nvm i can afford the dlc

😭 cant

[green estuary]

nonsense
remote det does have more damage than lock-on burst, but it takes actual skill to get the full damage out of the extra warhead, whereas lobs just give you free damage
siege mode is busted, moving on
stun bomb is great in the early game but heat blast is also quite nice, especially when mastered
tactical scope and micro missiles are both all right (much better than eternal's heavy cannon balance)
explosive shot is obviously the better choice in the early game as it's ammo efficient, but charged burst can be kinda nasty
although I do suppose gatling rotator is kinda just worse than mobile turret

[frail bloom]

I mean we don't know the price, it'll prob be 30 bucks

[uneven dragon]

Man I got premium I get the dlc but I won’t have a pc for me to play it on 😭😭💔

[half marlin]

then you're giving your point wrong by making it sound like a fact
that's all

[merry jackal]

I can get a new game for that 😭

[hard thistle]

Witch not being there is interesting, since the Codex notes she should still be alive.

[merry jackal]

Rip

[green estuary]

better deal than eternal's dlcs

[merry jackal]

Eternal goes on discount every time

[uneven dragon]

Hugo said on stream he forgot about that and that in his mind she’s effectively dead lol

[frail bloom]

No no these weapons go well together but on their own they're not optimal. Who's using the plasma gun, chaingun, combat shotgun or rifle by their own???

[merry jackal]

Plus black Friday so it might be what 5 bucks for thee ultimate

[green estuary]

well eternal's been out for half a decade now
obviously shit's gonna be on sale

I'm talking base price

[merry jackal]

Yea

[frail bloom]

You can go argue eternal but it doubled down and made sure you wouldn't have a good time with one gun unlike 2016

[south pilot]

just ur ears buddy

[merry jackal]

Alr im gonna get the plat on dark ages

Cya guys

[hard thistle]

I respect that Hugo just admitted "lmao I forgot about that." What stream was this?

[green estuary]

you mean the primary fire?

[frail bloom]

No their mods too, no one is using the plasma gun over the ssg

You can use both I know

But by itself the plasma gun doesn't hold up

[uneven dragon]

whatever stream was on this day

[green estuary]

well their use cases are completely different
sure you use the ssg more often than the plasma rifle or something like that but it's not like the gun's not useful

[half marlin]

several people already told you exact same so i'd listen to em

[frail bloom]

No it's useful, but the balance is off, the game doesn't care what you choose so most of the time you'll siege mode everything

[green estuary]

well I specifically said ignoring siege mode

[frail bloom]

You can't lmao

[green estuary]

just like I'd ignore eternal's energy shield mod

[frail bloom]

Even if you do you can use the ssg double tap perk

Or the rockets

Every other weapon is more a passive utility for setting up falters or spreading your ammo pool

[green estuary]

the only difference between eternal and 2016's balance is that the OP stuff is in different places, and eternal clamps down on your ammo

the balance isn't any better, you just can't spam certain things any more because you have heavily limited ammo capacity

[frail bloom]

It's why I feel dark ages is the best in terms of weapon balance, cuz literally each weapon is designed to carry you through the campaign

[hard thistle]

There was a stream today?

[frail bloom]

Not just carry but feel well balanced and catered to a playstyle

[green estuary]

ye tda does have the best weapon balance

can't argue there

[frail bloom]

I should rephrase

2016 doesn't have awful weapon balance

[hard thistle]

Doom 3 and TDA have the best weapon balance.

[uneven dragon]

i meant the day Hato sent the message I’m replying to :P

[frail bloom]

It's just worse lmao

[hard thistle]

Oh okay.

[green estuary]

worse than eternal, I disagree

[frail bloom]

No then dark ages

[green estuary]

then yes

[frail bloom]

Not talking abt eternal

And its stupid energy chaingun shield

Which I both love and hate

[uneven dragon]

Doom 64 has ok weapon balance as a side effect of forcing you to use chainguns for pain elementals

[frail bloom]

If only the lost souls didn't blow up in your face like doom 2

[uneven dragon]

Personally I think Eternal’s weapon balance is not really that much over 2016’s

[green estuary]

it's funny how you can UN stuff even with piss-poor fundamentals just by whipping out the energy shield every 10 seconds

[green estuary]

it's worse

[uneven dragon]

People say it forces weapon switching a lot and I mean sure sometimes but you can still beat nightmare by basically only using SSG + Ballista

[frail bloom]

I should try eternal un again I feel like the max slider run on dark ages has hardened me

[green estuary]

start up tag1

you gotta tell me how many times you die

[frail bloom]

0 times bc I tried it 2 weeks ago

Felt pretty slow

Breezed through the arenas

[green estuary]

bro is a better player than I am

[frail bloom]

I don't get it really

[green estuary]

have you UN'd it

[frail bloom]

Ye I un'd tag 1

And tag 2

But not the campaign, as with every doom game

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shaquille-o'neal-owe-you-an-apology-sorry-apology-gif-6506155649875820269

[uneven dragon]

The hardest part of Eternal UN is that one Arachnotron in HoE when you only have 2 pips

you know the one

[frail bloom]

Thank you

[green estuary]

bruh

[frail bloom]

I feel like I would understand but after playing max sliders I can lowkey make him dissapear in 2 seconds

Like I'm used to being one tapped

[green estuary]

hell on earth is light work even for my sorry ass

[frail bloom]

My perception is screwed honestly

After this max slider run I'll do an eternal nightmare playthrough and then I'll attempt un

[half plaza]

Absolutely not

[green estuary]

go on

[uneven dragon]

Eternal has better weapon balancing for sure I just think people overrate it

Like no you can just spam SSG and Ballista just like 2016 and solve 90% of issues

[half plaza]

You mean to say that the SSG with 60 shots is more balanced than eternal's

[green estuary]

I believe the vast majority of eternal's "balance" just comes from the ammo constraints

the weapons and their mods are even more lopsided in their use cases than 2016

[uneven dragon]

Well. Yea

[green estuary]

that ain't balance

[half plaza]

An SSG which also eradicates every enemy in the game with ease compared to Eternal's

[green estuary]

eternal's ssg two-shot staggers a mancubus
with ssg-pb-ssg or punch cancels you can literally delete one of them in less than a second

it quite literally is the best shotgun in modern doom

[frail bloom]

I feel like the only difference is the ammo constraint really they're both powerful but one has less ammo then the other so you have to include more weapons in your playstyle

The 2016 ssg can be used for way longer

[green estuary]

yeah, it's just the ammo, that's it

[hard thistle]

Eternal's weapon balancing is way better than 2016's because the whole of 2016 can be deleted with just the SSG mastery. But Eternal still has that issue where half the weapons are fluff.

[frail bloom]

I call that fluff a passive weapon perk

Like it compliments your main guns

It's just for spreading your ammo pool

[uneven dragon]

you can delete all of Eternal with SSG too tbh :p

[green estuary]

that's my point
the only thing that makes eternal seem to have better weapon balance is the fact that you have less ammo

[frail bloom]

And the occasional falter set up

[hard thistle]

The plasma gun is absolutely just filler.

[frail bloom]

You just need good movement and some patience

[uneven dragon]

plasma gun had more use in 2016 😭😭😭

[green estuary]

boo
heat blast is tight as hell

both in 2016 and eternal

[hard thistle]

You can, but it would still be somewhat of a challenge to limit yourself to one weapon. With the SSG in 2016 it wouldn't really be a challenge because the SSG outclasses everything but the Gauss Cannon to such a degree there's little contest.

[green estuary]

if we're talking damage, the ssg also outclasses everything in eternal except for the gauss cannon's equivalent

[frail bloom]

It all comes down to ammo

[hard thistle]

With Eternal certain enemies and shit are designed around things like sniping and quickswapping. With 2016 literally every single weapon and fight can be confronted with the SSG alone and it's not a challenge.

I have to mod 2016 and Eternal when I go back to them because of shit like this.

[green estuary]

sniping yes, but even then weak points are not necessary to eliminate by the time you finish doom hunter base
eternal was not in any way designed around quick swapping

[frail bloom]

It's not designed around quickswapping but it's def designed around broadening your ammo pool

[green estuary]

ammo constraints don't make the weapon balancing any better
it just forces you to use objectively worse weapons

[hard thistle]

Quick swapping was officially addressed in the game as a tactic following its release, and it is considered the default method to deal with enemies like the Marauder and Davoth.
Weak Points are absolutely necessary to deal with Blood Maykrs and Armored Barons in a timely manner.

[frail bloom]

I mean you could use the microwave beam if you don't feel like aiming

I'm surpised how quick it drains his armor

[hard thistle]

Like in TAG1, when they throw two Marauders at you at once, they felt comfortable doing that because they understood that players generally deal with Marauders by quickswapping when they're stunned. Possessed enemies are balanced the way they are because the devs understand the insane damage output you have with quickswapping.

[frail bloom]

I mean for possessed demons I fall back to triple rocket spam bc I'm afraid of using my ballista

[green estuary]

source

[frail bloom]

I don't want to lose any plasma ammo

[hard thistle]

I think this is a self-evident statement that you can infer from the simple fact that in-game tips explaining how quickswapping works were added when they put in the DLC campaigns, which then added crazier enemy scenarios that necessitate using your weapons like that efficiently to do decently on higher difficulties.

[frail bloom]

Y'know what you can argue quickswapping is more necessary in the dlc

[hard thistle]

Like, Davoth as a boss is explicitly designed where you only deal damage to him during a short window of time after stunning him that makes quickswapping ideal. How else are you going to take advantage of that time? Use the Chaingun's mobile turret or something?

[frail bloom]

It builds on the meta and that's the meta

[green estuary]

quite literally, yes lmao
you can two cycle him in most of his phases that way

[frail bloom]

But for the campaign you don't have to quickswap at all I'd say

[green estuary]

but either way, swapping in 2016 is the optimal strat for dps also

[hard thistle]

I understand that you can. But I very much doubt they designed Davoth's boss fight with the Chaingun being your main weapon in mind. It being suitable is incidental. They blatantly understood quickswapping to be the meta by the time they released the DLCs.

I feel pretty confident in saying that if Eternal didn't allow the damage output it did when you quickswap efficiently, then they wouldn't have added scenarios like dealing with two Marauders at once, or gone so hard on Possessed enemies being so tanky.

[green estuary]

Are we even talking about weapon balance at this point

(Although as a side note, lock on burst is by far the most efficient way to deal with possessed enemies, as they have even heavier damage resistance to the ssg and ballista)

[frail bloom]

I heard micro missiles were good

True?

[hard thistle]

Maybe you guys. My point is moreso just that Doom 2016 has nothing you can't solve with the SSG. Eternal's design is with the intent that you have to use many different weapons, often in quick succession. That is why I think 2016's weapon balancing is worse, because there's very little attempt to keep each weapon viable in comparison to each other. Eternal makes more of an attempt despite not totally succeeding.

[frail bloom]

I can agree with that

[uneven dragon]

I can’t think of one enemy I have to use much other than SSG + Ballista on

[green estuary]

with the exception of possessed doom hunters, not really

[uneven dragon]

Like plasma rifle for shield fellas but like same in 2016

[frail bloom]

Ye those guys suck

[half plaza]

I also urge you to consider the existence of the Siege Mode which also absolutely obliterates everything in the game, while the Destroyer blade exists it's nowhere near the free board wipe that siege mode is

[green estuary]

Yeah, whereas in eternal you have the energy shield which literally gives you invulnerability to 95% of enemy attacks with nearly 70 percent uptime

And gives you free falters against damn near everything in the game

[oblique raft]

Iim surprised there no dlc out yet

[warm ibex]

endless chat loop of "dlc release date" followed by "be patient" lol

[harsh egret]

honestly so annoying lmao

i lurk sometimes and see this then i just close the chat cuz im like bruh

[green estuary]

real

[warm ibex]

at least it's been a few months

getting "it's ridiculous that we don't have a dlc trailer" comments less than two months after launch was nuts

[ionic glade]

Tbh I assumed from the start the DLC wouldn’t be until some time next year since they said it would be big one. I’d rather wait 1+ years for a quality and beefy DLC than a rushed, half-baked product that could introduce a plethora of problems and bugs without proper tuning and testing

[oblique raft]

alot company is doing that now

[half plaza]

Different usecase ‼️

It doesn't instantly kill everything

It is very powerful though i do agree

They should have given it the Battlemode nerf all around

[half plaza]

^

[green estuary]

Yeah, the use case for both is “all the time” lol
And DPS is essentially never an issue in any modern doom game—survivability is by far harder to manage

[cerulean pagoda]

patience

[mossy geyser]

I hope the game releases for linux

[cerulean pagoda]

i have totally mastered the art of patience as i was capable of doing ironwood a second time in god of war ragnarok

just so i could make a save file after that so i could skip it if i ever wanted to

[mossy geyser]

I mean yeah i want to use linux over windows so I can use something secure

[grim cloud]

no streams coming up?

[cerulean pagoda]

hugo has already finished iirc

[grim cloud]

yes i know, was hoping for more. guess its the end

[harsh egret]

that wasnt the last stream, on thursday this week they might showcase ripatorium 2.0 which is coming in the next update

[mossy geyser]

Anyone else feel that doom tda’s gfx looks like something
From a hack n slash or rpg for some reason?

Not the game just the graphics

[tall nymph]

any 9070 xt users here? first time playing this game in a few months and trying to tinker my gfx settings to make it look like it did before I formatted asnd fixed my pc

2nd question: AMD users here - do you turn on "FSR frame gen" apart from the regular frame gen setting?

[solar cairn]

Master-lvl campaign release date when?

[warm ibex]

don't act like you haven't been asking that shit unironically on a daily basis for weeks

[cerulean pagoda]

When its ready

[meager vortex]

guys i saw someone make doom the dark ages concep art with elden ring holy amazing!!!

[warm ibex]

that sounds pretty cool! where'd you see it?

[fervent maple]

https://tenor.com/view/coming-when-it's-ready-cyberpunk-cyberpunk-teaser-cyberpunk-reveal-when-it's-ready-gif-10882222506021342343

[cerulean pagoda]

We have a lot more levels to play around with as well as a ripatorium in trade for waiting longer for the big stuff like dlc and stuff

A lot more than we did when we were with eternal

[frail bloom]

Thursday gonna be so peak

[cerulean pagoda]

Thursday is when I have a math test again

[frail bloom]

Just one test

[warm ibex]

don't get too hyped for this thursday specifically

[frail bloom]

Why's that

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[warm ibex]

the thursday stream was never a guarantee, just very likely

[frail bloom]

Oh the stream itself

But he did say that when they get back that they would do the preview no?

Whenever that stream happens could be next week I guess

[warm ibex]

I think it's more so when Hugo is ready, since he's recovering from knee surgery

[frail bloom]

Oh gotcha

Alr

[warm ibex]

but I'm hyped regardless of when it is, just not getting my hopes up for this week

[frail bloom]

Right

[warm ibex]

I hope hugo is recovering smoothly either way

[frail bloom]

Same

[meager vortex]

me too he must recovering

[cerulean pagoda]

Heal your wounds hugo, get strong, after that. We will settle the matter

(Get the reference)

[solar cairn]

Did he have an operation?

[meager vortex]

yes

that is why 1 weeks ago no stream explain

[solar cairn]

((

[tall nymph]

did id already fix the "slow mo 0% not actually being a true 0%" issue or did they acknowledge that they're working on it?

[uneven dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/knee-surgery-meme-grinch-blue-grinch-that-feeling-when-gif-11244637289834073788

[frail bloom]

Er not yet

[frail bloom]

It's the transition

A good transition makes or breaks the meme

[solar cairn]

This is the first time I’ve heard about this bug

[hazy pasture]

Greetings people

How's everyone doing?

[covert blaze]

Good, played TDA earlier today.

[hazy pasture]

Ayy nice mate

[covert blaze]

I cooked. It was peak. (I deleted the demons)

[hazy pasture]

What gun did you use the most to cook them?

[covert blaze]

Chainshot.

[hazy pasture]

Peam

[obsidian shard]

oh damn, hope everything is healing well with him!

How's everyone doing on this late autumn nights eve?

[harsh egret]

very good, and u?

just realised its 4 am bruh what am i doin

[tall nymph]

did they change it so that crossbow uses ammo during berserk?

[sterile sage]

Has anyone got a max slider un 100% success yet?

[green estuary]

nope

probably will not happen for a very long time

[sterile sage]

Why?

[green estuary]

why do you think
cuz it's absurdly difficult

[vagrant path]

I've been doing an... interesting challenge lately, playing through on a nightmare run with 50 percent damsge to demons and ONLY using un-upgraded weapons

feel like this should be an achievment to be honest, beating the game without weapon or rune upgrades.

[green estuary]

at 500% damage, a single charged soldier projectile deals 110 damage
a nightmare imp melee attack deals 200 damage
you literally get hit twice or three times max and you're dead

[sterile sage]

Hasn't it gotten a little easier with multiple demon nerfs?

[green estuary]

said demon nerfs only brought them back to their state on launch after update 2's buffs
just due to the updated encounters, the game is still much more difficult than it was when it was first released

the impaler's been nerfed, the dreadmace has been nerfed, the ravager has been absolutely neutered

all of the most busted cheese strats have been removed for the most part, which is a good thing for normal balance
just not great if you want to complete a max sliders UN run

[uneven dragon]

why would u nerf the mace bruh 😭

why did any of them get nerfed bruh

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-6107729

because the mace would two-hit stagger any demon in the entire game
with the exception of cyberdemon and komodo leaders

[uneven dragon]

yea and i like it being that powerful :3

it's funny also it takes aaages to recharge

[green estuary]

except it doesn't take that long to recharge

and one mace swing still deals the same single target damage as 4 gauntlet strikes, so it's still OP as heck

[obsidian shard]

good, busy asf day at work, also my bad for the late response

[obsidian shard]

yup!

[sterile sage]

It's not impossible at the moment, is it?

[obsidian shard]

Its IMPOSSIBLE to Beat TDA UN with Max Sliders (hardest difficulty ever for any DOOM Game)

[green estuary]

Well it’s theoretically possible
Since people have beaten regular nightmare on max sliders, so every encounter is technically doable
Except stringing them all together without dying is a whole different level

[obsidian shard]

I've died like 150+ times at this point up to Aratum

[sterile sage]

I understand the hardest thing, but that's not to say it's impossible.

[obsidian shard]

but they've died a LOT, henceforth making UN not possible

[harsh egret]

It's just incredibly hard especially when the game is relatively long

[green estuary]

Except they have eventually managed to clear each encounter
So since the individual pieces are possible, it stands to reason that the sum total is also possible

[obsidian shard]

this is Ultra-Nightmare, you die once and the whole thing resets...

[green estuary]

I am aware

It’s possible in the same way that eternal UN no-hit is possible

[obsidian shard]

TDA is not eternal...

[harsh egret]

And just wait until master campaign max sliders UN

[sterile sage]

The comparison is too extreme

[obsidian shard]

to this day no one has done Max UN

[green estuary]

Bro you aren’t getting what I’m saying
Just purely from a probability standpoint, if you have, say, a 25 percent chance of clearing an encounter without dying, there is still a mathematical chance that you will survive through every encounter without dying once

Is it feasible? No

But is it theoretically possible with enough tries? Yes

That said, the number of tries will obviously have to be absurdly high

[obsidian shard]

350+

My est

[harsh egret]

The day someone does that is gonna be crazy

[green estuary]

Not really
I’d honestly put your chances of no-hitting an arena in eternal slightly worse than surviving a max sliders arena in TDA, given proper routing
except TDA’s campaign is longer, hence why I say they might be roughly equivalent

[obsidian shard]

Also to note, thats why its a Theory.. Now time to set our scientific minds to set and do it

@frail bloom you have 1 year

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/doctorevil-no-gif-22331678

[obsidian shard]

what?

[green estuary]

Hell, raitro has no-hitted eternal on nightmare

[green estuary]

I mean I’m not gonna ever attempt max sliders UN

That shit was not in the brochure

[harsh egret]

Not that fun of a challenge icl

[obsidian shard]

Words

[hazy pasture]

That's unbelievably believable

[obsidian shard]

My base settings is 50% damage to demons 300% Damage to slayer btw

so i know what to do to kill the demons faster

the more damage and less healing to the slayer is what is really getting me

same with the speed of everything

[hazy pasture]

Fair enough

You should honestly do an UN run live someday

[obsidian shard]

i beat it once, i can do it again!

[hazy pasture]

You can do this all day

[green estuary]

The only thing that can actually heal you properly on min resources is the cannibalism upgrade for the rocket launcher, since it scales with self damage, not resource drops
Problem is you don’t get the rocket launcher until Forsaken Plains

[obsidian shard]

tbf they nerfed the game again after the inital buffs of the one i was streaming

[hazy pasture]

Oh

Dang

[hazy pasture]

That true though

[sterile sage]

Will the max slider become more difficult if the blink of death system is updated?

[obsidian shard]

yes, since there will be the option to turn it off!

[hazy pasture]

Interesting

[green estuary]

If brink of death gets removed in max sliders runs then it might actually be impossible lol

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[green estuary]

Imagine being at full 200 health and getting instakilled by a nightmare imp melee

[hazy pasture]

I hate nightmare imps more than chaingunners

[green estuary]

Worst enemy in the game

[hazy pasture]

Most of the time my blindass eyes can't even notice their silhouettes

[hazy pasture]

Absolutely

[harsh egret]

The streets will remember the chaingunner during that 2 week period or however long it was when they were absolutely off the rocker

[green estuary]

Chaingunners immediately post-update 2 were absolute bullshit

[harsh egret]

I remember everyone going crazy here about them lmao

[green estuary]

yeah the cooldown between their bursts was so low they practically just hosed you with bullets nonstop

[harsh egret]

I remember thinking they weren't that bad but they were a bit over the top now that I think more about it

[hazy pasture]

They were hella crazy in Barracks

After that they were honestly fine imo

Not crazy crazy

Unlike those damned Nightmare Chimps

[red peak]

I just realised the lost souls in this game are inspired by the classic lost souls lol

[obsidian shard]

Yup and I like it alot

Best demon design is clearly The Mancubus however

(Trust)

[hazy pasture]

Jaycubus is true

Mancubus is peak

Imagine Pain Elemental returns in the DLC

Big boi would be throwing screaming skull shaped bomber souls

[faint jackal]

Does anyone else have this issue when they approach an enemy leader where you have to lower morale to kill them, and once you deplete all of their health they become forever faltered and glory-killable but they are invincible? Because I do.

[obsidian shard]

Its The Ripatorium in campaign bug

Just make a new game, play 1 level/beat that level, then restart your game

and it'll be fixed

[faint jackal]

Ouhhh

Thank you so much :D

[hazy pasture]

I guess it's supposed to be fixed in later updates

Hopefully when Ripatorium 2.0 drops

[obsidian shard]

Possibly and most likely when the Ripatorium 2.0 update drops

[hazy pasture]

Did they say anything about the Ripatorium update or is it gonna be a big surprise?

[obsidian shard]

Saving Encounters, sharing Encounters, New Music? and General QOL changes!

[meager vortex]

maybe demons cap add

or ahzrack witch kreed maykr or maykr drones lost souls

new maps

[hazy pasture]

New music? That's interesting

Sharing encounters with others sounds fun feature

[hazy pasture]

I heard there's gonna possibly be Atlan and Serrat sections too

[obsidian shard]

Well we are till missing about 3-4 Tracks, Including From The Ashes

[hazy pasture]

Oh yeah right right

[obsidian shard]

from where?

[hazy pasture]

Dunno a few folks were saying

Might be just speculation

Nothing concrete

[obsidian shard]

Most likely Speculation, would be cool to get, but keep your hope down on it (No offense)

[hazy pasture]

Muehehehe Spire of Nerathul please

[hazy pasture]

I don't have any hopes for it for now lol

But that would be a big surprise if it happens so soon

[obsidian shard]

Atlan stuff i can def see possibly happening th most

[hazy pasture]

Same

Dunno about Serrat

I don't really see them adding big boi dragon in horde mode

[obsidian shard]

Only 2 pieces of full Serrat Merch so far

[hazy pasture]

Cuz he ain't got no many enemies nor variants

[obsidian shard]

hes got 4

[hazy pasture]

Josh we need MOAR

[hazy pasture]

Hell Ship, Hell Carrier, Tentacles, Titans

[obsidian shard]

yup

[hazy pasture]

But

[obsidian shard]

oh wait 5

Giant Caco

[hazy pasture]

Oh yeah Giant Cosmic Caco

But I wanted to see Serrat fight demonic wintherins

Sadge

[mystic barn]

There’s 5. From the Ashes, Divine Retribution, Wither & Writhe, Theomachy, and Blood Spill. Unless they mean a brand new suite exclusively for the Ripatorium? If so, I’d have my work cut out for me

[hazy pasture]

From the Ashes and Wither and Writhe are a must also your mixes are peam Dino

[red peak]

Nah, revenant solos

[harsh egret]

would be crazy if they add new tracks for the ripatorium but it would happen

[obsidian shard]

Ahh tyty

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/l7-rHyepjJM

rip and tear

[hazy pasture]

Gotta love SBETERNAL's works

[solid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1435667140488462356/2025113.JPG?ex=690cccb7&is=690b7b37&hm=ab297541912f121bd7fb94d4a698d87b1fb3d91e30f906f0a90cdf1aca5b2761&

[warm ibex]

Noticed something interesting

[obsidian shard]

Yes

[warm ibex]

A ton of TDA character and prop models were posted on ArtStation yesterday. Included in those props are the skulls of Eternal's Gladiator, Archvile and Prowler. Have any of you noticed these in-game? Would be awesome to see these sitting around Hell thousands of years before we'd fight them in Eternal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1435709786262864004/image.png?ex=690cf46f&is=690ba2ef&hm=b3c4256e6a5b4a84eb4b34502a5f8c9dbccfcdb9512025c1fc9741f0299ffa11
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1435709825010106500/solomon-skulls-prowler.png?ex=690cf478&is=690ba2f8&hm=cb6e2aec99e2f7189647ca63e0b3f78b3da1cc98249b028ab781ce9e58e18141

[green estuary]

Never seen these in-game

[mystic barn]

Woah, that Arch-Vile skull is nuts. Looks very much like a fish’s skull. I love that the Gladiator is very clearly based off a gorilla with that parasagittal crest running down the centre of the cranium

[warm ibex]

The Archvile skull was super unexpected

[harsh egret]

thought the same but didnt think much of it ngl

cuz i didnt remember seeing them in game

[hardy flint]

max upgrade impaler is overpowered

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1435712868338106518/brandon-fox-sentinel-command-station-04.jpg?ex=690cf74e&is=690ba5ce&hm=7f5f8fd2e6bdb3567e4199fc2ae9fafe92634d0df0c97a3f70693e7f22e88443&

[grim cloud]

well tech its a hell knight skull. gladiator is a name for the one hell knight

[harsh egret]

this from artstation is the closest thing i can remember to those but its not quite like any of those 3 so idk

[warm ibex]

I know lol

[green estuary]

Yes

[grim cloud]

ill welcome classic hell knights and barons in TDA with open arms

[harsh egret]

bro what

[green estuary]

hell knights have become less and less threatening with every new modern doom game 😢

[warm ibex]

I'm on my hands and knees begging for them. classic Hell Knights in the same game as classic Imps would do things to me

[hardy flint]

a couple of shield bash and you could 2 or 3 shot the fat demons

[ionic glade]

Honestly fighting old-school style Hellknights in the DLC would be sick

[red peak]

How? Lol they're just as threatening imo

[harsh egret]

naaah

[warm ibex]

naaaahhhh

[harsh egret]

they are pretty easy to deal with now

[red peak]

Ik that, i ment visually

[green estuary]

In 2016, they’re fairly tanky and absolutely relentless
In eternal, they’re still kinda annoying when there are lots of them but dashing makes them much easier to deal with
In TDA they’re just slow and made of paper

Now that I think about it I’ll probably give hell knights and battle knights the same treatment I gave the baron in my mod

[red peak]

True, but again lol i ment visually, they're still just as menacing as in 2016

[warm ibex]

I think the "less threatening" criticism applies from a visual standpoint as well. Compare the Classic Knights (or the Gladiator) to the 2016 model. Or, hell, Compare the Doom 3 Knight to the Eternal version

Or even compare the eyeless 2016 Knight to TDA's

[green estuary]

Not really
2016’s lighting did a whole lot for hell knights

[red peak]

Yeah, ig thats true

[warm ibex]

Character animations and game design plays a major part in the intimidation too

[grim cloud]

i liked the look of the 2016 hell knights the most

[warm ibex]

I like the Gladiator the most, aside from the eyepatch

[hardy flint]

doom 16 "boom shotgun" is awesome

[warm ibex]

modern interpretation of a classic Hell Knight kicks ass

[hardy flint]

why does the dark ages require hardware ray tracing?

[harsh egret]

[green estuary]

In order for someone to explain this to you, do you know the difference between ray tracing and baked lighting?

[grim cloud]

well i was referring to the devolved hell knights, not the ancient bruiser caste

[hardy flint]

kind of
but uh.. not that i know of

[frail bloom]

Aw man we were right there.

They were considering it and everything

Why they gotta choose the bald one😭

[warm ibex]

what

[harsh egret]

its enviromental stuff wdym

[hard thistle]

My dual-barrel Plasma Rifle shoots from the wrong place instead of the barrels. Does anyone else have this bug?

[frail bloom]

Oh I misinterpeted

I thought they were considering classic hellknights as enemies

[warm ibex]

nah just environmental props

[green estuary]

essentially, baked lighting relies on data stored in light maps to illuminate areas, whereas ray tracing allows the graphics card to compute how an area will be illuminated in real time
Baked lighting is less graphically intensive and requires less processing power, but RT allows for more natural lighting, and more importantly, both significantly cuts down production time because the studio does not have to manually create light maps for every area, and also reduces the size of the game on the disk, which allows bigger and more detailed environments to be created without having an enormously bloated game size

[frail bloom]

My point still stands the game coulda benefited from using a classic hellknight model

Imo

[green estuary]

Those last two reasons are the primary things that made id develop id tech 8 from the ground up requiring ray tracing

[warm ibex]

that's a very nice explanation

probably the best one I've seen so far

[hardy flint]

it made me think that tda requiring hardware rt makes the game less accessible to people without rt capable gpu
the game ran fine on my system but the performance is.... very random for some reason

[frail bloom]

Bummer

What can you do really

Except save up, or move on if you're not that interested

[hardy flint]

im literally at chapter 17 i rn

[frail bloom]

I'm speaking generally

For a random person before buying

[frail bloom]

How's the game btw

Did you go to the cosmic realm yet?

[hardy flint]

it's awesome

[frail bloom]

Sweet

[hardy flint]

but somehow
when i started up the game for the first time, it stays at 50-80fps with random stutters
but the longer i play the stutters are gone but the game runs at 70fps

[hardy flint]

currently looking for thira

(or i forgot which chapeter it is

[frail bloom]

Ok so if you were to replay the game it would stay consistent?

Maybe it has smt to do with your pc bc some ppl have good hardware they just might overclock it or smt