the-dark-ages

[brittle finch]

Like + 🤓

[solar spoke]

good question, maybe ask in general? I'm kind of a noob when it comes to these things lol

[brittle finch]

Same

[gusty seal]

check in general, ask a moderator, submit an tech-talk email. stuff like that @solar spoke @brittle finch

vega

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @gusty seal.

[gusty seal]

@spring merlin how do i submit emoji's ?

so much for that useful AI

vega needs a upload for more interactive responses 😄

[brittle finch]

The way people treat DLSS is how VEGA should be treated

[solar spoke]

Vega tries their best lol

[solar spoke]

what AI would be treated like Xess? Grok? 😂

[gusty seal]

We should treat AI nicely, they learn from us, hence why I wanna help vega be more useful 😄 @brittle finch @solar spoke

[brittle finch]

Kill VEGA

That’ll teach it

[brittle finch]

Nah, SIRI

[solar spoke]

I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords

[brittle finch]

Siri = Shitty Integrated Restarted Invention

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/kent-brockman-nod-kent-brockman-simpsons-nod-gif-26093517

[brittle finch]

🔥

[brittle finch]

We should worship AI like how the Egyptians worshipped cats

[solar spoke]

fair, we need to survive somehow lol. Tbf though, cats are more energy efficient

[brittle finch]

Imagine AI gets to a point where it can sustain itself on its own 💀

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/power-sun-hands-gif-18534188

[green estuary]

I just realized that the cosmic baron guillotine projectile still breaks my shield lmao

because I'm on 300% damage

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

just started another playthrough after a decent amount of not playing much

[solid beacon]

666% damage challange

Ultra violance without died once
If died once restart whole mission.

Without extra life.

Cosmic unmakyr

[frail bloom]

Doom the max slider ages

[brittle finch]

I hate how this YouTuber I watch recommended a “$750 PC build” for 1440P and then when I added in the price of a motherboard, fans and a PSU it was ACTUALLY $860… all without including a 1440P monitor, a decent mouse and a decent gaming chair

[green estuary]

clickbait goes crazy

[brittle finch]

Nah fr tho

[green estuary]

but also 860 bucks for a build is solid anyway

I wouldn't really consider a monitor, mouse, and gaming chair to be included in a "PC" anyway

[brittle finch]

Before including a $350-$400 dollar 1440P monitor, a bare minimum $40 mouse and a decently comfortable chair

[brittle finch]

I mean fair

Idk how much chairs go for but I feel like I’d be disappointed if I looked

[green estuary]

I just use a random spinny chair from costco I got for 50 bucks lmao

couldn't really tell you how much an actual gaming chair goes for

[harsh egret]

"gaming chair"

i love that term

[brittle finch]

His gaming chair was better than mine so he beat me 🙏

[green estuary]

we should rename them to "chairs that have good ventilation so my ass doesn't get too sweaty"

[brittle finch]

Not including a case btw either because technically it isn’t “required”

[green estuary]

oof

[harsh egret]

bruh lol

[brittle finch]

But if you included a decent case it’d be almost $1K

[harsh egret]

what specs

[brittle finch]

All to play in 1440P medium fr

[green estuary]

shit, 1440p is 1440p

although it depends what games you can play at 1440p medium

[brittle finch]

9060 XT (which is overpriced asf rn) and a 7600X/9600X with 32 GBs of RAM

[green estuary]

if you could play a game like tda at 1440p medium native then hell tf yeah totally worth it

[brittle finch]

9060 XT got fuckin scalpeddd

[green estuary]

9060 xt

[harsh egret]

amd gpu

[green estuary]

the 9060 is literally just an nvidia 60 series ti card with worse ray tracing

[brittle finch]

The MSRP is $349, but $370 is the absolute cheapest you’ll find one 😭

[brittle finch]

And no DLSS

[harsh egret]

can u even use dlss on amd gpus or are u stuck with shitty fsr

[harsh egret]

jesus christ

[brittle finch]

Nono you have FSR AND XESS

[harsh egret]

its worse than i thought

[brittle finch]

:3

[green estuary]

the only reason nvidia still sells gpus is because AMD is wholly unable to get their shit together

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[brittle finch]

They’re good if you care SOLELY about VRAM

[green estuary]

quite literally

everything about them is just objectively worse than nvidia

[brittle finch]

The 9060 XT is basically just a 5060 TI in terms of price and has slightly better performance, but the 5060 TI has wayyy more features

[green estuary]

DLSS makes FSR look amateurish, and AMD lags behind so badly in RT performance

[unkempt dragon]

this is making me dizzy rn. And I'm so happy I switched to Nvidia from AMD

[brittle finch]

Path tracing must be even worse 💀

[green estuary]

I'm not gonna talk about path tracing because it's kinda ultra-luxury tech atm

[brittle finch]

Idek if AMD even has access to ray reconstruction either

[green estuary]

sadge

[green estuary]

real

[brittle finch]

I mean not if you optimize your settings the absolute most possible

[green estuary]

even 50 series cards aren't amazingly optimized for path tracing yet
the performance hit is still pretty huge

[brittle finch]

Like how most people value price to performance, I value performance to graphics

[green estuary]

but by next gen I'm sure it'll be there and amd will look even worse

[brittle finch]

True

[harsh egret]

i tested again to make sure and path tracing on my 5070ti made me go from 120-140 to around 70-80

[green estuary]

I just want AMD to get their shit together man 😭

[harsh egret]

so ye 5080 is kind of a minimum for pt (for me at least)

[brittle finch]

If I can make the game look as beautiful as possible while being playable still idm

[green estuary]

pretty much yeah

[brittle finch]

Nah bro 5050 is frfr

[harsh egret]

[brittle finch]

If you don’t care about being at like 30 FPS 🙏

Or sometimes 40

Like 50-60 in cutscenes tho

[harsh egret]

i tried tda on a laptop a couple months ago, it has a 3060 and it got like 20 fps on all lowest 720p

[green estuary]

if I can get a relatively solid 60 then I'm happy

which I can get with my laptop 4060 so we're chilling

[green estuary]

I would expect a bit better tbh

a lot better actually, considering people get playable frame rates with 2060s

[brittle finch]

That’s cus the 3060 is so shit it can’t even use half its VRAM

[harsh egret]

keep in mind "laptop"

[green estuary]

ah right

[brittle finch]

Laptop GPUs are usually worse than their desktop counterparts

[green estuary]

10-15% worse

[brittle finch]

But the 5050 has a better laptop counterpart

Unironically

[green estuary]

newer low-end cards have better laptop equivalents because they're more power efficient

[brittle finch]

The more you go up the more noticeable it is

[green estuary]

exactly

low tdp cards aren't neutered as much in laptops as higher tdp ones

[brittle finch]

In general, yes, but the 5050 has GDDR6 and the laptop 5050 has GDDR7

[green estuary]

huh

[brittle finch]

So it’s quite literally just better

[green estuary]

that's...a decision

[harsh egret]

lmao

[green estuary]

bit of a slap in the face to anyone who wants to buy a desktop 5050

[brittle finch]

It’s because in laptops the VRAM is soldered to the motherboard

[brittle finch]

No one wants to anyways 💀

[green estuary]

[solar spoke]

I'm still waiting for the day valve add support for an external GPU for the Steam Deck dock

[green estuary]

doesn't adding an external gpu kinda take away the whole point of having a steam deck?

like yeah, support would be cool and all, but what's the point

[brittle finch]

Probably more of a hardware thing anyways. So you could modify it to make it a thing you can do lol

[solar spoke]

only if you're using it on the go. I mean when you have it docked and hooked up to a tv/monitor

fair, the deck is a versatile little thing

[brittle finch]

It’d look funny having a 5090 plugged into a little steam deck lol

[solar spoke]

been watching AVGN again and it'd be like that Atari controller that's bigger than the console 😂

[brittle finch]

The only problem with that and the reason why there will never be a version that can do that is because it’s marketed as a portable PC

Key word there being portable

That being the main point of it

[brittle finch]

Lmaooo

I need to see that 😭

The fact that the ROG Xbox Ally runs better with a different OS is hilarious

[solar spoke]

I think it's called the trak ball controller if I remember right

[brittle finch]

If you make your default OS Linux for example you get up to a 33% increase in performance in some games compared to Windows 💀

[brittle finch]

Imma look it up

[solar spoke]

big oof for windows, even with it trimmed down for handheld

[brittle finch]

Some are big, some are small

[solar spoke]

if only it had a small power draw

[brittle finch]

Istg like 8 GBs of my memory is being used the second I boot up my laptop

Fuckin windows bro

😭

[brittle finch]

It’s all background processes

Meaning it’s probably Windows if I had to guess

Boutta switch to Linux or sum shit frfr

[solar spoke]

may as well, only reason I don't is because of uni

that and I love BF6 too much lol

[frail bloom]

Finished lomarith

[green estuary]

What was the hardest fight

Peak level btw

[frail bloom]

It wasn't really that hard honestly but I'd say the pinky leader demon encounter?

With the vagary and arachnotrons

Yup

[unique flicker]

Hello

[odd grove]

The fight right before the end of Siege Pt 2 ALWAYS kicks my ass

[odd grove]

You should!
CW: Linux

|| I made the switch about a year ago and its worth the learning curve. Compatibility can be tricky sometimes, but there's always helpful tutorials/solutions for any little thing that might be giving you grief. You also have complete and total control of your computer, and no obnoxious ads or news. Steam and CurseForge work flawlessly, Minecraft Launcher works just fine, plus you have access to basically anything when it comes to studio/office tools. I don't regret it for a minute, just backup any projects/files on another drive until you have the knack of things (speaking from painful experience)||

[uncut needle]

just got gold skin 100% legit for sure absolutely didnt mess with the sliders mhm

[brittle finch]

I think I’ll try swapping over after college

[brittle finch]

Same honestly

[brittle finch]

Disassembling my laptop to reapply thermal paste sounds like it’s gonna be a pain

At least I don’t have to worry about that for another few years

[obsidian epoch]

||no more laptops for me. they collect so much dust inside, and u cant easily clean them. nor repair. now i have a big glass case, and i cant see totally what's going on inside! Way better! laptops are for uni broke bois||

[grizzled thicket]

Why no laptop😢

But uuh yeah my laptop sucks aah so…

[obsidian epoch]

well, they are laptops. They are supposed to suck

[grizzled thicket]

True

[obsidian epoch]

Also uni is the biggest scam of 2 thousand society. So many years with debt and missed income... and yet, not only your future pay is average or below, so many dont even find a uni-related job

But hey, mr beast was searching for a wife with 3 degrees.

[grizzled thicket]

Welp in the glorious fatherland Finland, uni is super important and not expensive

[obsidian epoch]

Actually, I have heard this before. hmmm

[grizzled thicket]

Yeah I’m in highschool/college not sure wich one it would be called

”Lukio”

But yeah in the us uni is bs

Also my laptop was 800€

So it’s not that bad

[obsidian epoch]

my full chad PC was barely 2 hundreds more, and handles all games all apps 😎 .

[grizzled thicket]

My laptop can play siege at 55 fps

Lowest 4fps

(I have 512 mb of vram)

[obsidian epoch]

wait, what

I have 8 GB GDDR6 VRAM memory

I was checking and be like "this cannot be the right parameter", how can u run anything with just 512mb 🫣

[knotty pewter]

I’m currently majoring in Cyber Security and my teachers are the most annoying mfs ever

I think I might see if I can switch to graphic design

[knotty pewter]

OH GOD 😭

And people say 8 GBs is too low

[grizzled thicket]

16gb of ram baby

[grizzled thicket]

It’s a ryzen 7 so it good trust

[knotty pewter]

Not how that works

VRAM and RAM are different

[grizzled thicket]

I know

But it still helps all together

And u can use ram as vram (wich I’m not)

I belive that is only on integrated tho (I have integrated)

[obsidian epoch]

I pretty much run everything on max details. but 40fps (monitor limit)

[knotty pewter]

Please get a higher refresh rate monitor unless you really can’t afford one 😭

[obsidian epoch]

I dont think the difference is worth the cost... plus it's not like i am a pro (gamer)

[knotty pewter]

60 is worth it imo especially if you already get a consistent 40 on max settings

[grizzled thicket]

It does make a diffrence

Tho 60-120 fps is the sweet spot fir a lot of people

Now it depends what games u play

I play a lot of shooters so…

[obsidian epoch]

then it wouldnt probably be a good idea to... share that i use the monitor integrated... "audio" 🫠

[grizzled thicket]

Aint no way brah

[obsidian epoch]

xD

[grizzled thicket]

Get headphones

I litreally have to have headphones

Cause siege is audio depended

[obsidian epoch]

my ears cant handle headphones. They start hurting and i get in pain after a while. idk, but it sucks

[grizzled thicket]

Get a good pear of headphones

They might need to be a bit big

And keep them loose

[obsidian epoch]

I'd rather get a good external speaker, with subwoofer, or 5.1, than use headphones imo

Headphones tend to damage your hearing in the long run

who less who more. But dangerous for everyone nonetheless (if high volume is used)

headphones can cause hearing loss due to high volume levels and prolonged exposure, which can damage the sensitive hair cells in the inner ear. To prevent this, follow the 60/60 rule: listen at no more than 60% of maximum volume for no more than 60 minutes at a time, and take breaks. Symptoms like ringing in the ears or muffled sounds may indicate damage, but only a doctor can diagnose it; the damage from loud noise exposure is often irreversible
Also, have ever been in a club or concert, and happen to be near those hugh huge speaker?

[grizzled thicket]

I honestly could not care less about that, but uuh u do you

Like I mean the hearing loss

I also have bad hearing already so

[obsidian epoch]

Not using headphones could help restore or improve your hearing, up to a point. The body can do some healing

[grizzled thicket]

When I’m alone at home Ion use headphobes when watching yt

But in siege u have to have headphobes

[mystic barn]

You guys might be able to tell me; is there any reason why Divine Retribution, Wither & Writhe, Theomachy, and Blood Spill are missing from the Ripatorium's jukebox?

[random sand]

which levels do they appear in?

[uneven dragon]

I would say spoilers but is stuff like Beyond Hex & Flame in there?

[mystic barn]

Divine Retribution and Wither & Writhe are in Resurrection and Theomachy and Blood Spill are in Final Battle

[mystic barn]

Yeah, it and Apotheosis are in there

[random sand]

hmm. not sure. are they like the main ones or do they only play in them partly?

i genuinely don't remember

[mystic barn]

They're ||the boss themes for Kreed Maykr and Enhanced Ahzrak respectively||

[random sand]

that may be why. they're boss themes

[mystic barn]

But both Between Hex & Flame and Apotheosis are in the jukebox

They score ||the Ahzrak and Witch fight at the end||

[uneven dragon]

Maybe those two are the real outliers

[mystic barn]

Is there a reason for that or just an oversight?

[random sand]

is that one different than the one that plays the whole level?

[austere tiger]

my ears are extra cooked because I use headphones all the time for my games, music, etc. so my ears are exposed to high volumes from that a lot. But I also work as a cook in kitchens. Which the environment there gets really loud.

[mystic barn]

Yes. Infernal Chasm scores Reckoning, ||and those themes are reserved for the bosses||

[grizzled thicket]

Damn

My ears are healthy

[random sand]

Hmm. They probably forgot 'em them or something

[quasi bane]

My Mini Shield Saw and 4 Vinyl set arrived!

[harsh egret]

Nice, mine also arrived yesterday

@obsidian shard which version of the board game are u getting

[obsidian shard]

All-out

[quasi bane]

My Shield actually arrived yesterday and the Vinyls arrived today

[harsh egret]

I reaaaally wanna do the all in one but holy fk 380 euros

[obsidian shard]

but gotta wait till thursday

[harsh egret]

Fuck man its so cool

[quasi bane]

board game?

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432701953141641369/5df1956be53d69ddaa068b2a178f5f43_original.png?ex=6902032b&is=6900b1ab&hm=19a9ce1650b9647c13fefdece5d2edc82aa0701a194a6737cb3a7d932faff279&

ya

[quasi bane]

Is this meant to be like a warhammer type game?

where you get figures and paint them?

[obsidian shard]

Atlans/titans are on a 50mm base
Serrat is the same
The 100mm Base Serrat is Kickstarter exclusive!

[harsh egret]

That serrat one is so fuckin good

Yeah ill have to get it, ill figure smth out

[obsidian shard]

Look at my Mancubus tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274237827592228865/1430735344609001514/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.gif

[obsidian shard]

Theres monthly payments you can make apperently!

[harsh egret]

Ye ill check more when i get home

But its really cool stuff

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182151938314358856/1432715798643867728/image.png?ex=69021010&is=6900be90&hm=11a3ac2efd8a239f529e58cb38bde74e829718076c9e5d96ea85bf973fc17c90&

[harsh egret]

So cool lol

[obsidian shard]

not part of the KS however

[foggy kestrel]

Lol.thats an old incorrect image thats slipped through. Spider mastermind is a stretch goal.

[harsh egret]

Wdym, isnt it a part of the all in bundle

[obsidian shard]

ahh i see, thank you

[green estuary]

Bruh this is so sick 😭

[hazy pasture]

Yeah it's a part of the all in bundle

Every single SG is included in it

[obsidian shard]

ya my bad, its just not shown (YET)

[hazy pasture]

Wait holup

Hmm then I guess it's possible for me to grab em all

[solar cairn]

It’s just that gray figures look cheap somehow or is it always like that in board games?

[green estuary]

that's just how plastic figures look like

[solar cairn]

Unpainted plastic - cringe

[warm ibex]

jesus christ, it's beautiful

[placid rampart]

Indeed. is there a release date yet? Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see any info about that on the kickstarter page

[warm ibex]

That's just a straight up lie man

[placid rampart]

Bruh

[warm ibex]

Last I heard the estimated release date was Spring 2026, but you'll have to ask @obsidian shard about that

I will say though... nearly half a grand USD for the all-in set is a bit much

[placid rampart]

I see. I probably won’t pick up a copy until it releases, but it does look cool

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432779650446135296/9a626ad412d00f96be284445b67ef59b_original.png?ex=69024b88&is=6900fa08&hm=182de0ea91ecf9140e38d912f9839abd58dc4089bdc59a22aa6c60294017f12b&

Also there will be at least 2 Additional Expansion packs

we will learn about them in the coming day

(Spider-Mastermind and Komodo)

[solid beacon]

Oh... Sorry.

[obsidian shard]

Currently there are only around 5 additional KS Exclusive Awards!

2 dice trays
1 DOOMGUY Fig
1 Slayer Fig
100mm Serra fig

standard Serrat size is 30mm
Atlan/Titan Size is 50mm

[warm ibex]

Damn this is a lot of stuff

More than I expected. Are kickstarters for boardgames usually like this? The range of editions/expansions/prices is pretty wide

Which is nice, should give more people access to it

[solid beacon]

I had a guess 2027.

[warm ibex]

probably shouldn't respond to questions you don't know the answer to man

[harsh egret]

?? xd

[warm ibex]

they're just sayin shit dude

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-muppets-meme-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-16984538577250620315

[obsidian shard]

Ye surprisingly, my uncle had one and their was a decent amount of additional stuff

[obsidian shard]

@placid rampart

[scenic lichen]

choose for me yall

cooked or blood sacrifice RL

[warm ibex]

cooked

[placid rampart]

Thanks

[green estuary]

Blood sacrifice all the way

[warm ibex]

hey buddy, wait your turn

his fate has been decided

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-middle-finger-fuck-you-fuck-everyone-smh-gif-5650690

[hard thistle]

Cooked against Vagary, Revenants, Acolytes, Cacodemons and Cosmic Barons. Blood Sacrifice for Cyberdemons, Komodos, and everything else!

[obsidian shard]

ong

that Extra hp too

[warm ibex]

any reason you use cooked against revenants? they fall apart if you sneeze in their general direction, I figured most people saved the RL for big guys

[scenic lichen]

uh cool ill try both

lmao

[obsidian shard]

Grenade Laucher is cool, just not as good as the RL

[hard thistle]

When those ghoulish bastards hit me with their surge attacks, and I parry it, I want to overkill their screaming asses.

[warm ibex]

fair enough lol

[scenic lichen]

anyways what combat shotgun build do you guys go

genuinely cant decide between left or right

[warm ibex]

I like the grenade launcher a lot more than the rocket launcher

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406957710334890108/1426042080613892178/lv_0_202510092259161.gif

[hard thistle]

I offer the Fodder-Farmer. Smelt to drop more armor, and the second upgrade (I’m slipping in the name) to burn Fodder Demons.

I love the Conbat Shotty, but I prefer using my shells for the Super Shotgun.

[scenic lichen]

is blast of any use at all

[green estuary]

my favorite combat shotgun build is never picking it up again after sentinel barracks because I get the SSG

[obsidian shard]

incorrect

[green estuary]

It’s very underpowered

[green estuary]

bear in mind I have my mod installed that makes the flail not be ass

[obsidian shard]

ERM ACTUALLY, You get the SSG in the Holy City of Aratum

[green estuary]

yeah you’re right

[obsidian shard]

so you would be Using the Combat Shotgun still in Sentinel Barracks

[frail bloom]

Preach

Huh didn't I say I finished lomarith yesterday

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432799392242335857/doom-doom-slayer.gif

[frail bloom]

There's like hrs of messages missing

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414608603096158320/1432799266455162951/image.png?ex=69025dcd&is=69010c4d&hm=e6be0d03a6f8865d44f95306cac99c9053058cd73a3308df462d338ef1b36eb5&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414608603096158320/1432799267415916605/image.png?ex=69025dcd&is=69010c4d&hm=a818022ac16fa46f9a9eefb67cd502edf31a1a71209a1c85f7c886d1a81397e1&
Rewrote the CHAPTER 6 foreword for the guide. Posting here instead of #general because I know the people here better.

[frail bloom]

Boii time to read

[green estuary]

I can still go back and see those messages just fine

[hard thistle]

Hate posting something and realizing a minute later there are typos. Fuck me.

[frail bloom]

I can't

[frail bloom]

Dw ts is shakespeare either way

[green estuary]

something something skill issue 🤓

[frail bloom]

No like it says 7:48 am yesterday then it skips

To today

[green estuary]

yeah clearly your wifi router is having a skill issue moment

[frail bloom]

I guess

Nvm

Here they are

[hard thistle]

Appreciate it.

[frail bloom]

Ok so did they remake the d1 cover art????

Anyone notice the pads for the boardgame have art

They have classic doom and dark ages

[obsidian shard]

Yup!

[frail bloom]

Can someone send it pls

(Sneaky)

[obsidian shard]

Already 66% Funded

in 6 and a half hours

[frail bloom]

NOOOOO

Unc Jeff just save the image

Not the link to the site

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432801712250421268/DABG_Classic_in-body_crop.png?ex=69026014&is=69010e94&hm=67dc774e5493bd640639863a14f7bc4e222ab9a4c0bf5308d86cc4f6b1d64edc&

[placid rampart]

It won’t let me send saved images either

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[frail bloom]

Bruh this is soooooo cool but where's the version where doomguy is drawn

[obsidian shard]

ive also got

[frail bloom]

And why 480 p

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432801929679077447/Screenshot_20250923-220900.png?ex=69026048&is=69010ec8&hm=06ef822bdcfc65d8d8a166b6c3154325084d80dc7e6abeddaed3ab739a56043a&

[frail bloom]

BOIIIIII

[placid rampart]

It looks very cool, not exact doom 1 cover art, but very inspired by it

[frail bloom]

Notice how the imps look like imp stalkers

It's confirmed beyond a doubt chat

Same with the lost souls

[obsidian shard]

I have asked for a HD Texteless version

i'll ping ya if i get one!

[warm ibex]

there was never any doubt to begin with

[green estuary]

Love how the zombieman on the left is holding a G36 for whatever reason
Maybe he was German in his past life

[warm ibex]

hell yeah man, banger foreword! I like the presentation a lot, the banner at the top is clean

[frail bloom]

Wolfenstein????

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1398318008778358945/1432740037107253289/Untitled_design_3.png?ex=690226a3&is=6900d523&hm=116464cc9daa6a18d9b9cbafb03e59f3e7d038bdb567417ac36824fe61545045&

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-gif-12880035726364098822

[obsidian shard]

ello Hato

[hard thistle]

Thanks! I appreciate that. I ended up making like 24 banner images and an actual cover for the guide to make it look more like a whole production. Here's the cover and some other examples:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145581368126996560/1431152722488594583/image.png?ex=69024f16&is=6900fd96&hm=ef060e5c066085440a528be6638d35c3f2dcc60af1a63c88b0c59429af3780bf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=671&height=930
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1431303875377369088/image.png?ex=6902331c&is=6900e19c&hm=623ab516b37ee85784bcc47d039a3bcc456788da71922b0280604a6b6f72100c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1431302943080190096/image.png?ex=6902323d&is=6900e0bd&hm=8c01afc7b6653edec59d24bf19f265702706bdd0ecbcf38ce4d2b3dfce0db17f&
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145581368126996560/1430898067460329554/image.png?ex=69020aac&is=6900b92c&hm=24cc2136cc2f62dfe1dfbc5bfaa09b8d3a362af91a3d95549ad5ae7b38682474&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1411&height=794
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145581368126996560/1431305669608345610/image.png?ex=690234c8&is=6900e348&hm=77a10bcc326080511b35661e8cbc4c636fc70ee6f9e89a4273d74dd266e8eff0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1403&height=746

[solid beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-3-doom-marine-shotgun-pump-gif-1631776511660863694

[hard thistle]

Some of the banner images were a pain. The Chronology one I spent like an hour on, and tried to fade Doomguy from the cover art of each game into one image and have it look somewhat natural.
Some were really fun though. I like the Cacodemon one.

[warm ibex]

oh wow that's very well done! Looks more professional instead of just being a word doc

[warm ibex]

the cover art fade is one of the best, I think that time was more than worth it

that's awesome man!

would honestly like to have a printed version of this once it's finished following TDA's dlc

[hard thistle]

Hahaha I wish. I really wish Bethesda would sell a guide like this. I'd absolutely buy a physical version.

[warm ibex]

I remember Hugo mentioning some sort of lore comic/guide during the final few Eternal streams

and nothing ever came of that, of course. I had previously speculated that TDA would containt the majorty of info the book was supposed to have, but that doesn't seem to be the case

[hard thistle]

Unfortunately he also was mentioning a comic book interquel between 2016 and Eternal and nothing ever came of that either.

[warm ibex]

They might be the same project

[hard thistle]

Now that'd be interesting, hmm.

[warm ibex]

I remember him saying that whatever they were working on was pretty much fully written and they were just waiting on art. That was the last we heard about it

I'd like to ask him next stream

[hard thistle]

I gotta say though I'd be really wary of it, because I, like... I'd really want a lore guide to be more "compiling info from the series to make it more accessible," and I worry Hugo's vision would be more like "here's a book explaining everything you want to know, even if it shouldn't have been explained or if the answer is really frustrating."

I don't want an official lore guide to be like Hugo's development stream QnAs and shit. I don't really want more stuff like the Primeval thing enshrined in official text even if it has no basis in the games. In general when franchises go down that path things get messier.

[warm ibex]

I'd imagine that's probably why we haven't heard anything about it in nearly four years

it's a lot harder to change the story when you write it in an official lore book

[hard thistle]

Yeah. What I'd want is a book compiling info we know, making it more accessible, and offering theories. How I write my guide is how I wish they'd write a guide. I want a section on Primevals that summarizes the info from the games, and offers a couple theories, and that's it. An encyclopedia for the universe.

[harsh egret]

yoyo

[hard thistle]

Maybe with a bit of the Doom Eternal Lorebook's flavoring. I did really like seeing supplementary storytelling with demon language and art, and it being about some irrelevant world called Drumavi or just lightly expanding on known characters made it fun to read without breaking anything.

Like oh hey, Hell calls the Imperatrix "the Atorcoppe Queen" sometimes. That's cool. That's a Lorebook thing. How neat.

[solid beacon]

I was actually one who bulit doomguy with alyx vance aug 8 2012.

[hard thistle]

Just let me write the interquel comic, id. I've got it. I'll give it some cute TDA references. Trust me. Give me a couple thousand bucks and a Steam key for the next Doom game and I'll have it done by next week.

[warm ibex]

I want zero sections on Primevals I'm ngl

I like modern Doom lore up until it goes above Urdak and Hell. I personally didn't really wanna know about Primevals or the creator of the universe. Although I suppose they should do something with that now that it's established

[hard thistle]

Primevals are just an example. Generally speaking I really do not want them to expand on Primevals in the next game. I mean nothing bad against Hugo personally but I fear his vision of what Primevals are is kind of... bad. At least if his comments on Doomguy being a Primeval are anything to look at.

I like my personal belief on what Primevals are (AU Doomguy theory... my beloved...) and I think I'd be kind of unsatisfied with whatever the "real" answer is. It should just be left alone. Not everything needs answering.

[warm ibex]

Absolutely nothing but respect for Hugo and anyone else involved with the storytelling, but I think they really started to step away from what makes most people like the Slayer so much. TDA felt like a major correction to that mistake and I applaud them for it

[warm ibex]

Not everything needs answering, absolutely spot on

[hard thistle]

TDA did help to convince me maybe Hugo's stepping away from all the cosmic chosen one bullshit, because it put in a lot of work to portray the Slayer as a human character.

I like the Slayer because he starts out as a normal person and becomes a "chosen one" through the Divinity Machine, and what I like is that this is consistently portrayed as a traumatic and harmful experience for him. He's like the ultimate hero of the universe and it fucking sucks, it's literally the path of "perpetual torment." Him being a normal man in the classic games informs why he's cool in the new ones.

Trying to write him as some destined hero even when he's just a meathead marine is a misguided move. I generally don't mind TAG's lore, and I don't think it was necessarily bad, but I think it was starting to toe the line as to how far Doom should go.

Maybe it didn't cross it but it was nudging the line.

[hard thistle]

Eternal also displays a warped idea of what does need answering.

• How the Earth invasion started, a very basic piece of backstory that the player should ideally be informed about: "Let's be very vague and contradictory about this. No need to explain anything on-screen."
• Playing through Taras Nabad and seeing its ruins: "We NEED Samuel Hayden to explain everything players already learn about in the Codex or players will KILL THEMSELVES." (HAVE HIM CONTRADICT THE CODEX WHILE WE ARE AT IT!)

I love Eternal, it's my favorite game in the series and I will defend its story more than I think most will. But its storytelling has a serious issue with priorities and the info it wants to get across to players.

[frail bloom]

Hugo hire this man

I see you're online Hugolo Martini

I won't ping

[solid beacon]

See... that's the issuse.
Right there.

[frail bloom]

Hopefully we won't see that again. They're further going the opposite direction in dlc imo. They're doing a lot more cutscenes in first person like 2016 which is gonna make the story more personal

If you know

Which is very good to know

[hard thistle]

Are you stating, like, a fact? Did Hugo say that somewhere?

[frail bloom]

Yes it's fact

Horde can confirm

I think he is

[warm ibex]

one thing that's worth mentioning is that Eternal's lore was seemingly rewritten quite a lot. I honestly don't think they had a clear vision of where the story should go and, much like 2016, only started to figure out the codex part of it closer to the end of development

[warm ibex]

During the most recent dev stream hugo mentioned that a large portion of the DLC cutscenes would be in first person. His one-word teaser for the expansion's narrative was "immersion"

[frail bloom]

Booiiiii

[hard thistle]

Oh no yeah this is an objective fact IMO, and you can tell from the lack of Codex files for Cultist Zombies and Kalibas, the swapped-around levels like Mars Core, and the fact that Nekravol and Kalibas were the Tower of Babel and Erebus late enough in development that they made Steam cards for the Tower of Babel.
They were switching around the order of levels and rewriting lore all the time. This isn't even getting into the cut dialogue talking about the Khan's blood fueling the Divinity Machine and shit.

[frail bloom]

Isn't that so peak

[uneven dragon]

they shouldve just done erebus and babel teebeeaich

[hard thistle]

Genuinely I think it's so interesting that Eternal was as acclaimed as it was, and IMO that speaks to how well-made its gameplay, visuals, music, and design are. Because the development of that game, taken out of context, sounds like it would lead to a financial disaster.

[frail bloom]

They didn't figure out gameplay until like a few months before release no?

Isn't that crazy

[warm ibex]

the Kahn's blood and classic dimension voicelines are insane when you really stop and think about it. Those are MASSIVE jumps from where we are now, and a lot of it seemingly happened closer to the end of dev

[hard thistle]

"They were rewriting the game constantly during development. They couldn't decide which levels go where for the majority of the dev time. Entire Codex files were cut after release. There are still Codex notifications for files that aren't there. Also we got into a huge controversy with our composer whom the fanbase practically worships."
"BTW it is one of the best FPS games ever made and it was nominated for Game of the Year. Everyone loves it. Fuck you."

[warm ibex]

gameplay saw a major shift following the QC2018 presentation and continued to evolve until close to launch

so fall 2018 was the big shift

[frail bloom]

Oh so like 2 years

I mean still relatively early

[frail bloom]

What's your opinion on the new direction for dlc

Like the cutscenes

(We don't know much abt the story)

[warm ibex]

I've never seen this quote before, where does it come from? That's super interesting

[frail bloom]

I think he made up the quote

[hard thistle]

It makes sense considering how much TDA harkens back to 2016. A DLC that is reminiscent of 2016 would kind of complete the circle.

[frail bloom]

He was just listing all the stuff gone wrong

Juxtaposing it with the awards it got

[warm ibex]

ah lol, that went right over my head

[hard thistle]

I typed it up myself, but I can cite where I got all that from.

[frail bloom]

Ye it's peak

Then you got some idiot "ooooohhh I can't see muh skiins"

Boo hoo

There will always be some loser complaining

[hard thistle]

• Rewriting the game, you already know that.
• The level thing: Mars Core having the Slayer swipe a soldier's plasma gun indicates it was meant to be an early level, then they changed it but kept the scene because it went hard.
• Codex files cut after release: to my knowledge, the 1.0 Xbox One version of Eternal had a Codex file for Deagic Talismans, the blue coins the Slayer has when he kills the Guardians, and then it was patched out.
• Codex notifications for files that aren't there: Kalibas, Cultist Zombies.

[frail bloom]

It happened for dark ages too somewhat

[hard thistle]

Mars Core's whole thing is interesting because we also saw from the trailer that at some point they were having the Archvile show up there. Unless it was a trailer-exclusive shot?

[frail bloom]

Arachnotron was missing

And whiplash? Or was it the battleknight

[hard thistle]

So was the Battle Knight.

No, Whiplash was there.

[frail bloom]

I also know the whiplash and lost soul toys are missing

[hard thistle]

I remember this because it irritated the fuck out of me.

[frail bloom]

Well this pisses me off

And it's not fixed

[warm ibex]

do we have any screenshots or transcripts of the talisman codex entry?

[hard thistle]

Hang on.

[frail bloom]

I just wanted to see the lost soul in 4k

C'mon now

[hard thistle]

Here we are. A Reddit user found it after playing the physical disc for Eternal without updating it:

Translation from the Corrax Tablets: It was not by chance that the Sentinel Deags were chosen to serve the Maykrs in their conquest of Earth, As immutable law of the sixth seal would dictate, trespass of the mortal world was forbidden, and no being - be it from Urdak or Hell - could ever again set foot in the mortal realms. Only by undoing the seal could the consumption of Earth be achieved, an act which would require the compliance of mortal agents - the Deags. To secure safe passage of the Deags in their mission, they would be granted the right to select for themselves a Sentry Guardian. Bound by arcane intonement of the Blood sigil, the Sentries would serve as personal guardians of the Sentinel Priests. By decree of the Sigil, the Priests would be permitted mortal immunity - an ordainment that would protect the Priests from harm so long as their Sentries lived. Only by sacrifice of a Sentry might one acquire a Deagic Talisman; a token signifying the right to usurp the decree of the Sigil.

Most of this just specifies what you can already infer from the story itself. But there are a few details that contradict the game itself, which I presume are why it was cut.

[frail bloom]

Sooo many words

But I get it now

[hard thistle]

TLDR: The Deag Priests are immortal because of a Hell ritual where they choose a guardian monster that their life depends on. They cannot be killed unless the guardian is killed, and the Deagic Talisman is proof of its death.

[frail bloom]

Huh so where's the contradiction

[slender night]

I never liked the Codex anyway personally. Eternal's lore feels convoluted and worded weird and the ambiguous canonity is really bad. 2016 had a nicer more grounded story imo

[frail bloom]

The Dark ages dlc is gonna have 2016-like cutscenes(more immersive)

Which is aweeesssoome

[hard thistle]

As immutable law of the sixth seal would dictate, trespass of the mortal world was forbidden, and no being - be it from Urdak or Hell - could ever again set foot in the mortal realms.
This part is nonsense. Over half of Doom 2016 is spent in the mortal realm on Mars and the fucking place is crawling with demons. There is no mention of a seal being placed on the mortal realms to keep Maykrs or demons out, either. Maykrs were freely running around on Argent D'Nur.

[frail bloom]

Ohhhh I see

[hard thistle]

Demons aren't kept out of the mortal realm because of a seal protecting it. They're kept out because of a seal separating Hell from everything else. Urdak has nothing like this, the Maykrs can freely go wherever they want in the Earthly Realms. It's just Hell they can't enter.

[frail bloom]

Skimped over that

[hard thistle]

Also, "Deags" is stupid and gramatically incorrect. That's a small thing, but it's Deag. The plural for Deag is Deag.

That's not really a big deal but it irks me.

[frail bloom]

Well it's not canon

And not used

[warm ibex]

also worth adding: the 1.0 versions of Eternal feature a different background for the Slayer's mancave PC https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1432820271978516500/image.png?ex=6902715d&is=69011fdd&hm=d2c5f15c2aa3e8eb37d33b2b2f3c90cf13fc746ef6abff1e27d0072dd069730e

[frail bloom]

Man I do not remember this at all

How long did 1.0 last???

[slender night]

My eyes are always drawn to the Soul Cube on his desk over the actual rig

[warm ibex]

1.0 is the launch version without the launch patch

[hard thistle]

I remember this. What the fuck is this anyway? I don't get the point of them having this here. All I can imagine is it's either a placeholder or, like... a picture of his hometown from the classic games?

[frail bloom]

I don't think they thought that deep

Would be cool

[frail bloom]

And the launch patch was when?

[warm ibex]

I do believe it was said to be his hometown during a pre-launch interview, but I haven't found the source for that so definitely don't take it as fact. It could also be Richardson, TX, which is where id Software is located

[frail bloom]

At launch?

[warm ibex]

at launch, meaning it was downloaded automatically alongside the game

[frail bloom]

Oh so how did you get the pic

[hard thistle]

I wonder why it was changed. Hmm. They ended up keeping the family photo, anyway.

[frail bloom]

That means they patched it out real quick

Whyyyyu

Actually it means nothing

So why not

[warm ibex]

From the Bethesda Game Days PAX 2020 presentation. You can still access it today though, just install the game with no pre-existing data and don't let it update

[frail bloom]

Huh alr

Did anyone go to quakecon last year

When they showed off dark ages for a bit

I remember ppl calling the vagary "a cyberdemon with spidermastermind legs"

Idk how they messed that up lol

[warm ibex]

If I'm remembering correctly, removed for "revealing too much lore".

I swear all of this was mentioned somewhere but I just can't find a source. Might've been an early Hugo stream

[hard thistle]

vague generic photo of a random town
revealing too much lore
Ah, yes. We can't reveal the core of the narrative. We have to have fans believe in the prospect of Doomguy growing up on a farm instead of in a town. This is just too delicate for fans to know.

Man I swear they have some weird priorities lol.

[frail bloom]

"Revealing too much" is a codeword for saying "we don't know yet"

Sometimes, I might be wrong

[hard thistle]

Probably.

Hugo just read my guide. You can tell everyone you came up with all of it and I just happened to get it right.

[frail bloom]

Preach

[half plaza]

I really wish they'd just stop making it all so confusing

Like if they're gonna do this whole story i'd rather they actually spend time developing it than trying to have it both ways

[hard thistle]

Oh. Hey. I recognize you.

[half plaza]

Yes hi i am a funny mixer man

[hard thistle]

I listen to your Doom Eternal mixes. Nice job on those.

[half plaza]

Thank you

[half plaza]

Seriously my only actual gripe with Dark Ages is that they didn't develop the story enough

I know many have this sentiment of "doom games don't need story" but as someone that got into it from 2016 i feel like we're not really being rewarded for being attentive to what they've written

[solid nacelle]

You could probably argue that nudoom's story presentation is akin to that of fucking fnaf of all things

[hard thistle]

I disagree that Doom games don't need story. I think games like this do need some sort of narrative to keep your attention.

That said I liked TDA's story, and it's the best of the series IMO. I'm the Doom lore nerd so I'm gonna be biased but I liked how much TDA showed us of the Sentinel setting and I enjoyed it being a much more personal story that gave us much more characterization for the Slayer.

[slender night]

What did you think of 2005's story?

[half plaza]

I suppose so, but in a different sense. The old games can be understood pretty easily as one story if you just, like, ignore all the weird expansions

2016 opened up this HUGE scope of stuff that has not stayed consistent since

[hard thistle]

Ehhhh... serviceable for a movie, I suppose, but not Doom enough.

[half plaza]

FNAF felt like it kept getting gradually bigger and bigger and it just got harder to keep track of things

[slender night]

FNaF kept trying to end while I feel like with DOOM they keep trying to shove in more future story potential

[half plaza]

Yeah...

[slender night]

I enjoyed it personally and it's probably my favorite story from the franchise (though I'm yet to play TDA)

[hard thistle]

I will say as someone who is very well-versed in both Doom and FNAF that I would rather deal with Doom's storytelling than FNAF's any day of the week. I would rather deal with a million TAGs than a single Security Breach.

[frosty roost]

agreed!

[half plaza]

Dark Ages probably didn't need to be so open ended. I know we all love the medieval setting but i feel like it could have been a much better story if it tied everything together from 2016 and Eternal

[frail bloom]

??

How is it gonna tie allat in one game

[hard thistle]

Doom has a lot of storytelling fuckups but I do not think they've lost sight of what makes Doom Doom. Scott Cawthon IMO has lost sight of what FNAF is, on multiple occasions. I've never had to doubt who the villains of Doom are supposed to be. With FNAF Scott has struggled to characterize the Mimic in any meaningful, consistent way for four fucking games and more than half a dozen books.

[slender night]

I feel like Eternal too had a bit of a sudden ending, D3 did too but it at least teased what a possible sequel would have had; Eternal just has a generic good job ending

[half plaza]

I mean the unholy crusades and the sentinel civil war

[frail bloom]

How long do you think those last.

[half plaza]

I think it would have been more rewarding to see the civil war tied up than yet another Doomguy hero origin story

They could have written in the Maykr control thing along with it and it would have felt much more satisfying

[hard thistle]

I imagine the DLC will tie into these, but they cover too much time to cover in one game. I think TDA had a decent direction with choosing to give us a smaller, more personal story that's more a glimpse into the Unholy Wars than an attempt to compress that whole era of the saga into one game.

[frail bloom]

I agree with m0no here

Imo they're planning on addressing the story beats you wanna see

[hard thistle]

I can understand the wish to have seen more significant events though, and I really, really want to see the Civil War in TDA's DLC. I'll be a bit disappointed if we don't.

[frail bloom]

How are they gonna develop the story like you said and just cram all those events in one game

[frail bloom]

I don't expect it but what I do expect is the discovery of nekravol which kicks off the civil war

[half plaza]

They wouldn't need to fit literally everything in

[frail bloom]

Ye but it's hard to pace the story

Or overall narrative

Sometimes you gotta be patient

I'm glad they didn't go overboard

tag 2

[half plaza]

I don't know the best way i can describe this is how in Evil Dead 2 you see Ash in the necronomicon and then you actually do get the big tie-together in Army of Darkness, even if it's a really silly and goofy payoff

It didn't feel like that

[frail bloom]

They did connect the wraiths with the cosmic realm

[half plaza]

And it was only written the way it was so they could keep making games in the medieval setting which i'm not sure is a very good reason to be honest

[hard thistle]

Also TDA harkening back to and recontextualizing 2016's intro is peak as fuck.

[frail bloom]

And they mentioned the high council ehich is confirmed to be the order of the six by hugo

[hard thistle]

When did he say this?

[half plaza]

That was cool, that did feel like a good way to tie things together

[frail bloom]

@warm ibex do you have the timestamp(or atleast confirmation)

Pls

[hard thistle]

I guess I'm missing out on this shit. Are there any other statements Hugo has made recently I should be aware of?

[half plaza]

Just watch Horde's last video

[frail bloom]

Hugo alluded to Marok forming a bond with the slayer

[half plaza]

Pretty good summary

[warm ibex]

I had no idea you were so fucking relatable, good christ

[half plaza]

He was asked the question and responded "interesting..."

[frail bloom]

Which means "yes"

[half plaza]

It means "interesting..."

[hard thistle]

Will do.

[frail bloom]

Interesting cuz they guessed it right

[half plaza]

Can we get a Hugo emoji that's like the "true..." Morgan Freeman one but instead it says "interesting..."

[frail bloom]

Oh my god

[half plaza]

And it's Hugo's face

[frail bloom]

ABSOLUTE HUGO

Yes.

[hard thistle]

LOL. I was a FNAF megafan for years. I still hold the series close to my heart, it has been with me even longer than Doom. But Cawthon is kind of a jackass and I think he has a really poor handle on storytelling and when you need to focus on Narrative VS Lore

[frail bloom]

@obsidian shard

Your time has come

For a new job

[half plaza]

We all know that the story ended at Ultimate Custom Night

Everything afterward is fanfiction

[hard thistle]

I know my whole thing here is the lore nerd shit but I will always adore a great narrative and IMO the direct plot is more important than lore/backstory. That was why I liked TDA was it felt like a very solid Doom narrative in its own right instead of just satisfying lore nerds by having us fight the Baalgar or end up in the sarcophagus.

[warm ibex]

resending since I sent the wrong timestamp, one moment

[hard thistle]

Cool.

[half plaza]

I feel like i'd be less irritated if things were better explained

There are many new lore implications and they're not very well developed IMO

[hard thistle]

I know a fan explaining things doesn't fix the story's failure to do so, but if you are confused about anything or need elaboration I am happy to help, and have spent an embarrassing amount of time memorizing this series' lore and story.

[half plaza]

Like, the Hebeth thing for example. We already knew about them being underground, and that was really interesting, and then the bombshell gets dropped that there was also an entire society above ground and it's only explained that it's where the big gizmo is that only ends up serving as a bomb that Doomguy uses to aura farm on a Titan with

[hard thistle]

Are you wanting an explanation for that or are you just expressing frustration? I don't necessarily blame you if it is just the latter.

[half plaza]

Meanwhile, questions arise of: why did Samuel say Hebeth was before the Slayer's time (i know he probably meant the underground society thing, but it's still confusing)? Are there any repercussions for the huge nuke exploding in the middle of Mars? Does this mean that the UAC just kinda built over old Sentinel architecture for their Mars base a millennia later?

The Wraith stuff too, someone else talked about it in a video but the whole "soul of the last wraith" thing is also confusing

[hard thistle]

Okay, so I can explain some of this.

[warm ibex]

Here's the timestamp (since I don't show the clip in my video and it's best to hear it directly from Hugo instead of me) https://youtu.be/0XjYueIMKYo

[half plaza]

Doomguy's armour being a completely new even though he looks like he's wearing the Sentinel training armour in the Eternal codex entries is absolutely a retcon even if it's a cool one

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432832917859598397/Interesting....png?ex=69027d24&is=69012ba4&hm=9022f69afa20d7fa30820460d7ec422dc5f1a9550797a58ab88e5c938988d27e&

[half plaza]

Also his super shotgun being different

[half plaza]

YESSSSSSS

[obsidian shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971218217852862544/1429128803854061618/Absolute_Hugo_Martin.png?ex=6902326a&is=6900e0ea&hm=c1b135c87f89cf83de62270091bde4844cda1c550bba553fb05e6281d0aa1b68&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=656&height=562

[frail bloom]

It's perfect

[mystic barn]

If Hugo can pick and choose what lore is canon/can be retconned, then so can you

[half plaza]

But i don't like retcons!! I pay attention to the lore and then it gets changed and i feel like an idiot for paying so much attention

[frail bloom]

Not really he just simply wore new armor

[hard thistle]

"The Lost City of Hebeth" is not a city named Hebeth. It's a lost city located on a planet named Hebeth. TDA establishes that when the Sentinels colonized Mars, they called it Hebeth.

The Lost City from Eternal and the factory we explore in TDA are unrelated areas. The Lost City is just an old Sentinel city that fell to ruin before Doomguy got to Argent D'Nur, whereas the factory was still being used on Hebeth/Mars. The factory is being used as a grounds for the Trans-Dimensional Barrier.

On the Slayer's armor: Eternal's Codex depicting Doomguy in the training armor is from when he was a normal human training to be a Night Sentinel. TDA takes place years after this, when he has become the Slayer and is ostracized by the Sentinels for becoming a gun for the Maykrs to aim.

On the Super Shotgun: Eternal's SSG is the Classic SSG retrofitted with Sentinel tech. TDA's SSG is a separate weapon commissioned by the Maykrs using arcane gunpowder.

[frail bloom]

How else did the wretch make him his praetor suit?

Based on his old armor duuuhhhh

[half plaza]

His armor looks like the training armor in the civil war entry though

[warm ibex]

I wouldn't really call that a retcon, more like placeholder since his armor was undecided

[frail bloom]

Oof

[half plaza]

Still a retcon to establish something and then change it later

[frail bloom]

Well it's just a representation

There's d1 cover art demons in the codex yet we never see one

[hard thistle]

Can you post the image you're talking about?

You can embed the link.

[half plaza]

Remember how they used the silhouette of the Slayer's crucible in the codex entry of the Dark Lord falling after the Father took his sphere and then did nothing with that

[warm ibex]

I also wouldn't call that "established" either

[half plaza]

You should know what i mean, it's the one with everyone all lined up facing each other and you can see Doomguy's silhouette in the back fighting a marauder

Like, in the air

[hard thistle]

I suspected but wanted to make sure.

In the case of that picture, yeah, it's a contradiction. I don't really blame them for that though, because TDA's suit would've looked lame if they had to confirm to the Eternal Codex.

[frail bloom]

Well it's not a huge one

[warm ibex]

it's like how Eternal's sentinel codex entries use the classic cover art demons in place of legitimate enemy designs. That wasn't establishing them as the demons of the time period, but instead being used as placeholder until the visual elements were finished

[fresh lintel]

ok this has NOTHING to do with.. well.. anything BUT do you guys think Hugo Martin at full power could fix Destiny 2?

[frail bloom]

Bruh

[half plaza]

No but it is still bothersome for having paid attention to that detail

[hard thistle]

Also the cover art demons are funny and they need to stay. I like them showing up solely as visual depictions of demons and never actually in the games.

[half plaza]

I want to see one and fight it

[frail bloom]

Well I knew it existed too the difference is that I thought the sentinel suit was lame as balls

[half plaza]

i didn't think that...

It was a great cross between modern sentinel and old doomguy attire

[frail bloom]

Yawn

[hard thistle]

Seeing a cover art demon would be the Doom equivalent of finding Mothman. They don't exist. You aren't meant to witness such a majestic and terrifying creature.

They can only exist in our hearts.

[warm ibex]

i WANT one and i want it NOW

[half plaza]

I WANNA KILL IT

[warm ibex]

now we're on the same page

[frail bloom]

GIVE ME IT

Technically the barons are the buff versions

The classic ones

[half plaza]

I'm still mad about this never being explained

[frail bloom]

Well it was introduced really late

So uhhhh tbd

[cerulean pagoda]

Been stuck on the first belly of the beast encounter for an hour on max sliders

[hard thistle]

Even I can admit the Crucible thing is wack as fuck. I don't have an explanation for that. Neither of the Crucibles we see were ever Davoth's.

[half plaza]

They could have like added a single line about Samur bestowing the Dark Lord's crucible to The Slayer and it would have satiated me

[hard thistle]

This one doesn't seem to have a timestamp on it?

[cerulean pagoda]

I'm nervous for the acid levels

[mystic barn]

It reminds me of old medieval depictions of sea monsters. What they were actually depicting was whales, but you can’t fault a primitive mind for not being able to comprehend a creature as vast and unknown as an ocean-going mammal

[frail bloom]

No it was the kraken get it right

Tsk

[half plaza]

Can we get an officially licensed Doom necronomicon style lore book

[hard thistle]

Doom Eternal's Lorebook is the best we got.

[half plaza]

And just write it so that it fixes literally every plothole

I feel like that'd be a great thing to have

[hard thistle]

I have my own huge guide I'm writing to explain stuff but it is not in-universe or whatever.

And while I contend it rocks, it is not official.

[frail bloom]

I'd rather see some of that and read some others

[half plaza]

I need it bound in demon skin and written in blood

[half plaza]

Illustrations included

[frail bloom]

No I want cutscenes

[warm ibex]

oh does it not? The timestamp is 2:50:05, I'm very sorry about that lol

[frail bloom]

Boi

[hard thistle]

Lol that is fine, thanks.

[half plaza]

Well i mean nothing new should be in there apart from elaborations and small tie-togethers

[frail bloom]

Oh you want elaborations

[half plaza]

Just enough to put the pieces together

[frail bloom]

Like the hebeth thing and titans dying with literally anything thing

[half plaza]

Yes

[frail bloom]

And them saying the last wraith soul is in the heart of argent which is not true

I'd assume they forgot the wraiths existed beyond the last one

[hard thistle]

It is probably true to their knowledge.

[frail bloom]

They better elaborate

Or "rediscover" the wraiths

[warm ibex]

another hugo comment that I'm not sure if you're aware of - it was confirmed that the tomb the Sentinels use to ressurect the Slayer in TDA is the same one he breaks out of in 2016

[hard thistle]

The World Spear may be a thing but they never imply the Sentinels knew there were other Wraiths. Hell we don't even know if the Wraiths in the World Spear are even alive. We literally only see shitty outlines of them in pods, in bad resolution because they weren't meant to be seen up close.

[hard thistle]

Now that is interesting. It makes sense though, and IMO indicates the "blood priests" who trapped the Slayer are in fact the Deag Priests from Argent D'Nur. Being Sentinels they would have had access to that sarcophagus.

I already believed that but having more ammo for it is nice.

[warm ibex]

It's a little funny, too. "Yeah just pull that old tomb out of sentinel storage instead of making the slaves of doom take his measurements and forge another one"

even hell recycles

[grim cloud]

Cover Art Demons are a cross between baron and imp. They are in my megawad if you want to kill them in gzdoom

They are called Fiends in my maps

[warm ibex]

Fiends, I like that

[hard thistle]

A Baron totally suggested making a new tomb and the Dark Lord of the Third Age struck him down for it. Does he have any idea how stretched thin our budget is!? Just reuse the other one.

[warm ibex]

lmao

"His muscles have... grown a bit since the last time he was in that thing. I just think he would fit better, that's all"

[solid beacon]

If there's culutu arch vile in dark ages.
I Would call him squidward.

[warm ibex]

I honestly don't think they'll add a cosmic archvile

[grim cloud]

yah, i think they are teasing the return of the arch vile with the imp evolutions

but, where is summoner?

[hard thistle]

Would rather see more native Cosmic beings in general. No need for demon connections.
I doubt that's happening though because the Cosmic Realm is probably fucking cooked.

[hard thistle]

Literally I drew a whole evolution tree for imps for the guide. Hang on.

[grim cloud]

and apprantly the Barons have been siting back from the depths of hell, waiting for their return

[warm ibex]

primarily because the Acolyte is the intended summoner replacement for the main campaign. They already have a cosmic "summoner", so it makes sense to do a normal archvile

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1432841486025752696/image.png?ex=6902851f&is=6901339f&hm=0c918443a1a99fc24fcc122fb25c9585174675e62382d3a05a2bfa719a090d98&

[warm ibex]

I like that!

[grim cloud]

are the classic imps stalkers?

[cursive grotto]

What i like about the acolytes is that they feel like a threat all the time

In eternal archviles are pitiful if you know their spawn points

[hard thistle]

That's the intention, yes. They used the classic Imp sprites as references when modelling the Imp Stalkers.

[cursive grotto]

But you'll almost never catch an acolyte while it's spawning

[solid beacon]

Yes.

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432832917859598397/Interesting....png?ex=69027d24&is=69012ba4&hm=9022f69afa20d7fa30820460d7ec422dc5f1a9550797a58ab88e5c938988d27e&

[cursive grotto]

Or it's probably already spawned into the arena

[grim cloud]

so Doom 3 imps, they more like cosmic imps imo

[green estuary]

doom 3 imps are, uh

[grim cloud]

modern imp had sexy time with a tentacle

[green estuary]

interesting

[obsidian shard]

The DOOM: Arena Board Game is almost 75% Funded, Bethesda Advertising it seemed to have helped alot!

[cursive grotto]

And then you gotta chase the bastard's clone halfway across the arena while the original makes the place impossible to walk on with 20 billion poison puddle things

[solid beacon]

Also yes.

[hard thistle]

God I wish Legacy of Rust was canon. That idea opens up some potential for cool demon backstory.

[solid nacelle]

If you memorize spawn triggers you can do it semi reliability

[cursive grotto]

The only acolyte i can consistently catch during it's spawn animation is the introductory acolyte in ryuul

Anything else naw

[green estuary]

everything is pitiful if you know their spawn points

[cursive grotto]

I feel like kicking some ass in ripatorium

Y'all got any fun setups for me

[random sand]

just put everything on and go ham

[cursive grotto]

Well i do not know where any acolyte spawns nor do i know when they spawn lol

[green estuary]

well there you go

[cursive grotto]

Thirty agaddon champions

[frail bloom]

All I wanna fight is a vassago

[cursive grotto]

10 minute timer

Doable?

[frail bloom]

Exactly the acolyte is intended to be a cosmic summoner type demon but we want the og

[cursive grotto]

Actually wait that's probably impossible

[frail bloom]

They want more variety let's have some

[cursive grotto]

Ok 15 minute timer

[hard thistle]

I'm already sad nobody will use the LoR monsters for fan wads.

[frail bloom]

Seriously????

Not a single major one?

[cursive grotto]

On the topic of cosmic enemies and stuff

[frail bloom]

There's no way

They were such good enemies

[cursive grotto]

Cosmic baron is cooler than the baron of hell

[frail bloom]

Banshees????? Would kill for that

[green estuary]

cooler yes

[cursive grotto]

On god

[frail bloom]

Erm I disagree I like classic barons better

[green estuary]

but doesn't mean I wouldn't very much like to see TDA's rendition of a baron of hell

although I'm a bit of a heretic because I like 2016's barons the most

[cursive grotto]

Eternal's baron is also very good

[warm ibex]

really cool fun fact that m0no probably knows but I don't think many others do:

The Nightmare Imp was originally supposed to appear in Midway's port of DOOM for the PlayStation alongside the Nightmare Spectre. I believe this is the only publicaly available image of the original Nightmare Imp, originating from the November 1995 issue of Maximum game magazine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1432843384778784798/image.png?ex=690286e3&is=69013563&hm=d31bbd0ba0ea740feb03150ef97004cd32578d26c6b1f2940263101a0bde42de

[cursive grotto]

But i just don't really like 2016's baron

[green estuary]

sadge

[cursive grotto]

The pink doesn't work at all for me

Makes it look goofy

[frail bloom]

Would work in dark ages boiiii

Classic goat demon

[solid nacelle]

Would've been dope if they introduced classic barons in harbor of souls when you leave the cosmic realm

[grim cloud]

green blooded dark ages barons of hells and gladiator hell knights please. ill even fund it with my own cash to make that happen

[frail bloom]

What a missed opportunity

[cursive grotto]

Also for the longest time

[frail bloom]

Seriously, what a missed opportunity

[cursive grotto]

I thought the 2016 baron had pants LOL

[frail bloom]

You're not the only one, but I thought that for the originals

[grim cloud]

should of had cosmic mancubus or doom 3 mancubus in cosmic realm levels, but i understand time contraints

[green estuary]

as someone who has a 2016 skin modded baron in eternal, it does look pretty weird in that game
but 2016's lighting makes it work

[frail bloom]

Ye so instead they had some fat ogre

[solid nacelle]

Khakis

[cursive grotto]

I still think 2016 has the best general atmosphere and lighting in the modern trilogy

That's it's strong suit for sure

[grim cloud]

yah i started a mod to make it more "eternal". Ive been trying to give it hairy legs like the gladiator

[frail bloom]

Bro replace its face

[cursive grotto]

I will say though the constant screeching and growling from demons, ESPECIALLY fodders gets horribly annoying

[frail bloom]

I BEG

[green estuary]

easier said than done

[cursive grotto]

Can't go 3 seconds without some bastard blowing my ears out

[frail bloom]

No I know obv

[green estuary]

imps need to stfu for real

[frail bloom]

He doesn't have to I'd rather id make it official

Lookin at you hugo

[grim cloud]

i tried in blender, im not there yet

[frail bloom]

We want a classic baron

[cursive grotto]

On god

[frail bloom]

It's unaminous

[cursive grotto]

Btw katsu do you think a 15 minute timer for 30 aggadon champions is doable

[frail bloom]

How do you spell that

[cursive grotto]

In ripatorium

[green estuary]

for sure
30 seconds for an agaddon is surprisingly forgiving

[cursive grotto]

Aight lemme cook rq

[green estuary]

if you have gauntlets it'll be a piece of cake (assuming you don't fuck up)

[frail bloom]

That's not how it works

That's for one agaddon

[cursive grotto]

I'll use gauntlet first

[green estuary]

ye I know you've gotta manage your resources and stuff
also you gotta wait for the spawn-in animations

[cursive grotto]

Then i wanna try out dreadmace for fun

[frail bloom]

He's fighting like nine at once for a bunch of rounds

[green estuary]

I assumed he meant 30 rounds of 1 agaddon in a row

[frail bloom]

Shut up vega

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

Ye I see

Yeah go ahead

[cursive grotto]

3 agaddon champions 10 respawn

[frail bloom]

Bruh

[green estuary]

ah ok
15 minutes might be a little tight but you should be ok

[obsidian shard]

some new info for those who want the big ol 100mm serrat fig

[green estuary]

also I'm 95% sure agaddon champions have less health than regular agaddons

[obsidian shard]

"Yes! The Doom Slayer pledge comes with your choice of either an exclusive sculpt of Doom Guy or Doom Slayer. Other peripherals that are explicitly marked as Kickstarter-Exclusive are, of course, only available here. Check the main page for details.

Additionally, the Serrat Expansion containing the absolutely monstrous 100mm-base model of the dragon, Serrat, is exclusive to the All In pledge of this Kickstarter. Don't miss out!"

[green estuary]

it's just that they're harder to falter

[obsidian shard]

they die wayyyy faster imo

[green estuary]

I believe champions/leaders have 100k while regular ones have 105k

[frail bloom]

Agaddons are annoying either way on max sliders

They last waaaaaayyy too long

[green estuary]

does his red projectile break your shield instantly?

[frail bloom]

I dread playing ressurrection

[frail bloom]

Yes.

[obsidian shard]

Also show up when you buy the 75£ add-on so just a wee bit confusing

[green estuary]

even if you avoid the melee swing?

[frail bloom]

A cyberdemon and agaddon😭

[green estuary]

optional encounter btw

[frail bloom]

You can avoid it but it's soooo fast

[frail bloom]

Phew

[green estuary]

just stay a little further back

[frail bloom]

It's much harder with other demons pelting you

[green estuary]

of course

[frail bloom]

You gotta either risk it for the biscuit

Or die

It's not really the same on relatively normal settings

Especially when there are maintains

Revenant🤮

Revs suck on max sliders

[green estuary]

double speed tracking skulls 🥰

[frail bloom]

You're 90% of the time either facing left or right

[flat vigil]

I just died somehow and it said “Killed by ???“, what does it mean?

[frail bloom]

To dodge those 🤬 skulls

[hard thistle]

I do remember this. Really interesting I think.

[green estuary]

either self-damage from the rocket/grenade launcher or environmental damage

where was it?

[flat vigil]

Somewhere in chapter 11.

[green estuary]

actually it might say "Killed by Doom Slayer" if you face rocket yourself

[flat vigil]

lol

[green estuary]

you're gonna have to give me a name lmao
I don't know the numbers

[flat vigil]

I forgot the name ngl

[frail bloom]

Ok so 10 is hellbreaker

11 is.....

[green estuary]

ah 11 is sentinel command station

it was probably an explosive barrel

[frail bloom]

Bingo

[green estuary]

using ricochet/pincushion in some of those arenas is a death sentence

[flat vigil]

But there were no demons left and I didn’t shoot at anything (I also didn’t see anything that would be considered “environmental damage“ that could kill me after rechecking the place).

[green estuary]

so you just died?

[frail bloom]

Oh and when the caco/rev does their hitscan attack?????????

[flat vigil]

Yeah.

[frail bloom]

[green estuary]

never heard of that happening in sentinel command station before

unless you got hit by some fireball trap

[frail bloom]

They might've just touched some hazard

[flat vigil]

There were also no traps.

[green estuary]

no idea then sorry

[frail bloom]

Did you have low health?

[flat vigil]

It’s fine. Maybe just a glitch lol. Either way idm since it’s not like I’m playing on ultra nightmare.

[flat vigil]

I was close to low health if I remember correctly.

[frail bloom]

Ok well smt hit you

We'll never know

[flat vigil]

Like 80 HP or smth

[frail bloom]

Nvm

That's a good amt of hp

Smt went wrong

[flat vigil]

Idk about that

[frail bloom]

Idk I feel like it would be really good

[flat vigil]

Maybe on hurt me plenty.

[frail bloom]

Used to max sliders so I can't accurately measure anything anymore

[flat vigil]

Idk about ultra violence.

[frail bloom]

It's just alllll hard

[flat vigil]

Max sliders?

[frail bloom]

Ye it's nightmare with all sliders maxed to their most difficult settings

[flat vigil]

I see

[frail bloom]

Ye

[cursive grotto]

@green estuary Ok i just did it with like a minute left

[hard thistle]

My dual-barrel Plasma Rifle shoots from the wrong place instead of the barrels. Does anyone else have this bug?

[cursive grotto]

You will never guess what weapon i used

[frail bloom]

But yeah these last like a third of a second long

They're ridiculous

[green estuary]

idk ravager or something

or accelerator/ssg

impaler possibly

[cursive grotto]

Ravager with slowburn

[flat vigil]

I could never tbh. I’m too casual of a console gamer to play Doom The Dark Ages on nightmare mode with max sliders lol

[cursive grotto]

The upgrade that makes max firerate way faster

[green estuary]

it's great against more static enemies

[frail bloom]

I'm a console gamer it's possible

Not that fun tho

[hard thistle]

I play in ps5

[flat vigil]

Yeah, but I’m too casual.

[green estuary]

so makes sense to use it against agaddons

[cursive grotto]

It worked well against these beefy boys

[frail bloom]

Don't either way

It's not fun

[green estuary]

although why they mega nerfed it against komodos I'll never know

[cursive grotto]

I was gona use impaler but it's such a comically op weapon that i stayed away from it

[green estuary]

the movement penalty against the komodo fireballs is so tough to work around

[cursive grotto]

I still use the ravager for komodos

[green estuary]

you shouldn't

[cursive grotto]

Not slowburn ravager though

[green estuary]

it's kinda just handicapping yourself

[flat vigil]

Yeah, my nightmare difficulty run on Doom 2016 is already mildly fun for me lol, so I won’t even bother with The Dark Ages when I already die from time to time on ultra violence.

[frail bloom]

Imagine only using the ravager on max sliders

[cursive grotto]

The upgrade that removes speed penalty

[frail bloom]

I would jump.

[green estuary]

even worse, because they nerfed the ravager as a whole against komodos

[cursive grotto]

I also use pulverizer against komodos

[frail bloom]

Ye just pursue what's fun

[green estuary]

so even the ignition upgrade is affected

[cursive grotto]

Cause the speed buff comes in clutch

Makes the fireballs dodgeable

And i might be wrong but i'm pretty sure the komodo is fat enough to eat most of if not all of the shards of the pulverizer

[frail bloom]

I think I'd have more fun fighting komodoes on more normal settings, but as of now they're genuinely horrible

They're broken and annoying

And honestly no matter what settings you play on, their turrets are dumb.

Get rid of them.

[grim cloud]

how else did we get cosmic/demon hybrids? did a demon stork drop them in?

[frail bloom]

No dude genetic splicing

They did not bang

Brochacho

Is it splicing or engineering I'm not sure

[grim cloud]

tell that to the poor shamblers and their bastard cosmic baron offsprings

[frail bloom]

Coincidence

They may look like shamblers

[grim cloud]

that is what they want you to beleive

[frail bloom]

But they're not related

[frail bloom]

Beleeeeeive

Ppl talk abt the best game of 2025, but what was the worst????

[obsidian shard]

Mindseye

[grim cloud]

i dont have the worst, but i have the biggest disappointment

[green estuary]

you'd probably have to narrow that down to the worst among mainstream games

[frail bloom]

I looked up top 10 video games in 2025

[green estuary]

which one

[frail bloom]

Dark ages never popped up

[grim cloud]

for me it was Stormgate, lots of potential and promise, now its dead

[cursive grotto]

Silent hill F?

[frail bloom]

You know what does pop up

[cursive grotto]

I've seen alot of backlash towards that game

[frail bloom]

Borderlands 4.

[cursive grotto]

Like ALOT

[frail bloom]

Ugh

[green estuary]

oops! all hitstop

[green estuary]

it's just how mainstream a game is
doesn't have anything to do with popularity

[frail bloom]

Nvm dark ages did pop up in gamespot

Goated

[green estuary]

they also gave MGS delta a 9 lmao

[frail bloom]

Tbf this year was packed as hell

[frail bloom]

Nvm.

Wait why is that bad

I've heard it was pretty good

[green estuary]

it's a carbon copy of MGS3

[frail bloom]

It is?????

[green estuary]

literally the same game, but remade

yes

[frail bloom]

Damn it

Speaking of dissapointing games

Gonna try out LN3

It was my birthday present

Might aswell finish it

[solar cairn]

In D16, the game has no variability in the gameplay, if you make a mistake in the arena, it’s almost always death

[green estuary]

what does making a mistake leading to death have to do with variety

that's just the game being unforgiving on nightmare

[frail bloom]

No the game has variable gameplay it just never incentives you to go the extra mile

Wait how much gigs is LN3 on disk

[solar cairn]

In Eternal there is a hook, mesmerizing grenades, punch

[frail bloom]

16 gigs.

Not bad

Dark ages is 92 gigs

Holy moly

What the hell

[flat vigil]

Yeah, that’s kinda what nightmare is supposed to be all about lol.

[solar cairn]

For me, D16 is still the most difficult in principle, I barely survived the nightmare and I have no desire to replay

I don’t like it when one mistake immediately leads to death

[flat vigil]

Idk man, for me D16 is the easiest.

[frail bloom]

It's both the hardest and easiest

[flat vigil]

(Except if we’re talking about nightmare difficulty, I haven’t tried nightmare on Eternal and The Dark Ages)

[solar cairn]

I remember perfectly well the circular arena in D16, where 2 hellish barons run on you and there are literally no options to escape

[flat vigil]

lol

Why would you try and escape tho?

[solar cairn]

I was dying for 3 hours on the nightmare until I was unlucky