the-dark-ages

[harsh egret]

"needs"

[uneven dragon]

i need it to come out soon given i wont have a pc to play it if it takes a while 🥹

i have already accepted im not gonna be able to play it

[obsidian shard]

The Slayer is so powerful that the only thing that can stop him is...

𝘊𝘩𝘦𝘤𝘬𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘴

A Stone Box.

[frail bloom]

Hol on sneaky

I gotta find him

[obsidian shard]

ok

[frail bloom]

Oh boi

[obsidian shard]

uh oh

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1432150653303783555/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_e8f72c49-abf8-40af-8cb2-1c767b95b4b9.jpg?ex=690001bb&is=68feb03b&hm=b49c35e2a7aa6b23ef9f4886dafcddca5350720903f6c19b0f9edd3bfc1f5f6c&

Dinoheretic do you remember this guy

[mystic barn]

Every great super hero has a stone weakness. Superman? Kryptonite. Metroman? Copper. Homelander? Zinc

[mystic barn]

Yeah, he’s a bit daft

[frail bloom]

He's intense

There you go sneaky

[obsidian shard]

ty ty

[uneven dragon]

whatre they commenting on

[frail bloom]

Levy's music vid

[obsidian shard]

Its like Andy's covers and people calling him "the new Mick"

Nothing he makes is original...

its alll covers

[frail bloom]

I also find this interesting,

People don't hear a melody until a synth is blasted in their face

Does anyone feel like that?

Like some ppl don't actually know what a melody is

They just associate melody with a synth sound?

Does anyone know what I mean

[mystic barn]

BFG Division and TOTTFIY are the only Mick tracks that actually have a melody if we’re using the strict sense of the word. If not, then every DOOM track has melody

[frail bloom]

I see a lot of ppl associate melody with some synth they can hum for 10 seconds and forget abt for the entirety of the rest of the song

Like Sgn

And it bled over to dark ages

Like when ppl were complaining infernal chasm and WTSFL didn't have a melody

When they clearly do

[mystic barn]

Well, they wouldn’t be wrong per se, those tracks are rhythmic, whereas the aforementioned BFG Division and TOTTFIY have a singable element to the main chorus

[frail bloom]

I just got wrecked

Ok ok

Uhh

Well you get what I mean right like to make a melody it isn't just synth

Like you can use a violin or guitar

Well I'm embarrassed

[mystic barn]

Into the Void is a great example of melodic guitar in a TDA track. Point of the matter is that there are more rhythmic songs in DOOM generally than there are DOOM tracks with melody (and I’d be willing to bet that I can count on one hand those songs)

[obsidian shard]

i get what you mean

[frail bloom]

Ok ok well I am learning music theory currently so hopefully I keep what I learn

Anyone fm is gonna cook on the dlc and I'd like to hear some more melodic tracks

With some more classic doom references since we're gonna be hunting the order of the six

[cerulean pagoda]

beat the karthul marshes after 4 hours, time for temple of lomarith

im lwokey nervous for belly of the beast and its acid

i dunno how much the acid deals on max sliders

[obsidian shard]

yes

[green estuary]

enough

[uneven dragon]

does the arachnotron have a codex entry??

doomwiki.org says it does, but if you search for it, it only brings up the doom fandom wiki saying it doesn't...

[green estuary]

it does now I believe

the fandom site is shit

[uneven dragon]

has literally anybody posted it online ever....?

[mossy geyser]

Crazy amounts of idiots

[obsidian shard]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Arachnotron_(Doom:_The_Dark_Ages)

[uneven dragon]

is the "lore" section the actual codex entry or an abridged

[obsidian shard]

yes its Abridged

due to copyright reasons

keeping the wiki as clean as possible

Uploading images is a fun one

[uneven dragon]

does anyone have the actual codex entry anywhere..?

[obsidian shard]

I'll get a screenshot

[uneven dragon]

thanks

[obsidian shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971218217852862544/1432214047985500190/DOOM__The_Dark_Ages-2025_10_27-03-44-49.png?ex=69003cc6&is=68feeb46&hm=2126798cce2b2e0aa9fd1c42f54d64cd2f7adfc6bf96b25277992f282003d674&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=999&height=562

sorry for the wait had the stupid ripatorium bug

[uneven dragon]

thank youu

it's a shame the codex didn't mention mindweavers but tbf it was prolly written before that expansion dropped

[obsidian shard]

i didnt realize they had Psionic abilites

mofos are daredevil

Those finger legs are sick tho

Bonus Manc codex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971218217852862544/1432214049143132282/DOOM__The_Dark_Ages-2025_10_27-03-45-09.png?ex=69003cc6&is=68feeb46&hm=0f943b33ef351ec2af6f4e5863926209fe7f90c14843bfbf32871909a2a1811d&

[solar cairn]

Doom: The Dark Ages
Order of the Six?

[uneven dragon]

i really love this lore

[obsidian shard]

Real, im gonna have to start screenshotting all the codex cause i cant read em for shit on my TV

[mystic barn]

How much are we betting that the Order of the Six are going to represent the deadly sins? I can imagine Ahzrak was one of their original members and representing envy, apparently because he was jealous of Doomguy’s command over Hell’s hordes. After his death, they had to rebrand to the Order of the Six from the Order of the Seven. Therefore, the remaining members would be pride, greed, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth. Massively rotund Mancubus-esque archdemon that features heavily in Harbor of Souls could be gluttony, for example

[uneven dragon]

hmmm that definitely could be it

[obsidian shard]

your cooking once more

[red peak]

Thats actually a really cool idea lol

[green estuary]

wouldn't this be something
gonna be sad when we don't end up getting this in-game because it'd be sick

[red peak]

Frr

[green estuary]

it's like the smart patrick/dumb patrick meme, except smart patrick is "doom gameplay" and dumb patrick is "doom story"

Not that the story is inherently bad, just that it’s completely lacking the depth that the gameplay has across all three modern games

[mystic barn]

Yeah, probably not, but it’d be cool. I kinda doubt that id Software would be willing to tackle a sexually tortuous hell for the lust archdemon, but I’m remaining open minded

[uneven dragon]

would be crazy if they did

i hope they bring back Erebus for the Order, it'd be neat

[red peak]

Lol imagine a demon that instead of fighting or running, he just flirts with Doomguy for the whole campaign 😭😭

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[red peak]

Lmaoooo

[mystic barn]

That would actually be really interesting though. Doomguy having to overcome temptation to steel his resolve. It’s Christ-like, for sure

[red peak]

Honestly i think it'd be like batman vs poison Ivy or cat woman almost, where the demon tries flirting but it has 0 effect on doomguy

Wait- OMGOSH

What if it took the form of his dead wife????

[mystic barn]

Now we’re thinking like writers

[red peak]

Yeahh lol itd be soo cool

[mystic barn]

This take on lust would be consistent with the notion that the story is going to be much more personal

[red peak]

And thats how the demon is able to flirt/mess with with Doomguy for the whole campaign and actually tempt him- cause its taking the form of his wife

[uneven dragon]

wait so are the Six Sealed Eyes separate to the Order of the Six

[red peak]

What are the Six Sealed Eyes?

[uneven dragon]

some random guys in doom eternal who are said to have made some of the spectres

they were rebelling against the archdemons so yea ig they're separate

[red peak]

Oh-

[red peak]

I dont remember hearing about them

[uneven dragon]

theyre in like one codex entry i assume some id writer put them in there and then forgot about them immediately

[uneven dragon]

Well surely this guy will be the Gluttony one if they bring him back right
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1432228827144130604/Erebus.jpg?ex=69004a89&is=68fef909&hm=63ef7ad112e856673732dab3632bd7fb8be969739cf3ca75512288002bc3959d&

[red peak]

Oml what is that?

[mystic barn]

That’s if they adapt that exact character. If not, he’s been redacted to the Mancubus King character

[uneven dragon]

"Erebus" a scrapped archdemon from Doom Eternal

people speculate he got replaced by Kalibas the brain dude

lowk i like nekravol and im happy it existed but the idea of Erebus is really cool and also adds a LOT of cool lore to the original Doom

with "Mt Erebus" presumably being named after him and Dis being under his control

makes Episode 3's Hell a lot more fleshed out as a location

too bad hes probably gone forever :P

[red peak]

Oof

Still a cool concept tho

[uneven dragon]

yeah

man i am actually rlly hyped for this dlc now that i know it's about the archdemons

[obsidian shard]

you know i like that "King Mancubus" idea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274237827592228865/1430735344609001514/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.gif

[red peak]

What exactly are the archdemons btw?

[mystic barn]

It’s giving Nurgle

[red peak]

Like are they princes like Ahzrak? Is there a whole kingdom kind of thing going on? I thought it was just a bunch of random demons lol

[mystic barn]

To me, it seems as though the Archdemons are the kings and queens of Hell’s various factions

[uneven dragon]

theyre just big rulers of specific sections of hell i guess

[red peak]

Ohh, ok

I've noticed how Hell has looked a bit different across each of the games, I wonder if Hell has different biomes like earth

That could also explain why the demons look different, they've evolved differently to adapt to different conditions

[mystic barn]

Absolutely. Just compare The Blood Swamps to Kadingir Sanctum. Totally different

[red peak]

Yeah

[meager vortex]

ahzrack he just want be hell king but he have a wrong choice he kill slayer's pet dragon and his head beaten by slayer'rage flail

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-flail-slam-gif-3602213455553818448

he is stupid demon

[red peak]

Well actually☝️🤓 (yes, im being that guy) Ahzrak's head was mostly intacted, meaning Doomguy went for his body

[green estuary]

I think he mostly just smashed his neck up

[meager vortex]

one of best demon and one of best stupid demon too lol

[mystic barn]

Bludgeoned his neck off

[red peak]

Yeah, maybe- I've also heard someone point out that he went silent after the second hit, so the 3rd (and any others after that) were just personal

[meager vortex]

he give a slayer motivate why he hate all demons

[obsidian shard]

with a spikey infernal ball

[green estuary]

that motivation was already in place lol

[red peak]

Yeah lol

[meager vortex]

first daisy

[green estuary]

the demons killed his wife and kid, along with his pet rabbit

[meager vortex]

second serrat

[green estuary]

there's all the motivation you need

although idk why people hyperfixate on the slayer being mad over his pet rabbit dying
obviously that's part of it but he did lose his family also

[meager vortex]

some people said doom slayer(doomguy) space john wick yep that is true

[red peak]

Well tbh it wasnt confirmes his family is dead, even tho they most likely are

[meager vortex]

btw john wick game is making now

next year show up

[uneven dragon]

i wanna make a guide to the locations of hell at some point :P

m0no's is pretty cool but he leaves out a lot of games in his so it's not comprehensive

[red peak]

Wait he does? Why?

[uneven dragon]

doesn't view them as canon or thinks they're too irrelevant or just doesn't know much about them

[red peak]

Well what does he leave out?

[uneven dragon]

Master Levels, Final Doom, Doom RPG, Doom Resurrection, Doom II RPG, No Rest For The Living, Sigil, Doom VFR, Sigil II, Legacy of Rust

not a problem for most of them since they're not confirmed canon (other than NRFTL and Resurrection and VFR which are), i just personally like to cover all of them

[warm ibex]

Mono directly focuses on what's explicitly canon and I can't say I blame him

[meager vortex]

hey guys are you exciting next week?

[uneven dragon]

erm technically 🤓 m0no doesn't want to include VFR and Resurrection in his guide which are explicitly canon

[warm ibex]

VFR has a fair amount of contradictions (at least from what I've heard, I've never actually played it) so I could also excuse not counting it as canon

[uneven dragon]

uhhh it doesn't rly lol

(i have played it)

[red peak]

Wait whats VFR?

[meager vortex]

me too i never played

vfr

[warm ibex]

the 2016 VR spinoff

[red peak]

Ohh

[uneven dragon]

VFR actually directly explains details of 2016

like who the "Dr Peters" who locked all the terminals in the opening levels is

[warm ibex]

@hard thistle is there a reason you wouldn't consider VFR canon? or is that even the case

[red peak]

The upper torso?

[meager vortex]

dr peters mean is half dead body guy?

[uneven dragon]

m0no just says he hasnt played it so he doesnt include it which is fine

Ditto for Doom VFR: I assume it's canon, but I will not be putting together an entire VR headset just for it. Sorry. I guess there’s a robot UAC person here?

[hard thistle]

It is less that I don't consider it canon and more that I have no way to play it, and I get the vibe they don't seem to really care about it anymore so I don't feel too bad about it.

[warm ibex]

that's also fair lol

[red peak]

I think, I vaguely remember the terminak saying "welcome, Dr. Peters" when you used to torso to unlock thw retna thing

[uneven dragon]

the only lore from VFR is that 2016's "Dr Peters" from the terminals and that one corpse is a dude who died to the demons then got uploaded to a cyborg like samuel and then basically just stopped the mars base from completely being destroyed and then Samuel deletes his consciousness lol

i guess it also throws in a second Balgaar

[hard thistle]

I want to emphasize that when it comes to my own guide, it is specifically meant to be a guide to the modern Doom universe; not the Doom franchise as a whole. When it comes to classic games I only incorporate that which I can confidently feel is relevant to the modern canon.

If I had access to Doom VFR I would include info from it.

Keep in mind I also did this to The Lost Mission. That Doom 3 expansion is not included because it would have bloated the fuck out of Doom 3's Chronology.

I didn't feel too bad about Lost Mission because, like, it's Doom 3 and I feel like I have everything important and worth including in the guide when it comes to Doom 3. It was already a slog getting through writing out all of the Doom 3 UAC's facilities.

[uneven dragon]

and this isnt even taking Doom Resurrection into account :P

[hard thistle]

Yeah lol. The guide is packed as-is. Over 300 pages right now. If I am to receive divine judgment for not including the lame VR game and mobile rail shooter, then I will fall into Hell with a smile on my face.

[hard thistle]

I tried adding an "id Multiverse" section and I just was not feeling it.

[uneven dragon]

yea that sounds like a pain

[uneven dragon]

i cant even lie it's such a jank VR game but the last two levels were weirdly extremely fun

however it took me ages to get to those last two levels because the game is set to crash if you play the penultimate level on default steamvr settings :P thanks id

[hard thistle]

I'm pretty close to finishing the guide though! I finished all the new formatting fuckery and am now in the process of proofreading, editing, and revising the narrative chapter forewords.

[warm ibex]

trying to understand how the modern doom "multiverse" works is already enough of a headache. Like it's not overly complex, but there's the battlemode lore that's exclusive to the Art of Doom Eternal that sorta canonizes BM matches as alt dimension/multiverse battles but it's just... ehh

[hard thistle]

#general message
I did the Serrat scene here.

[uneven dragon]

it doesnt help that hugo is wishy washy abt if doom 3 is a part of modern doom lore

[hard thistle]

Yeah and I feel like I have a decent understanding of the BM stuff that I can make peace with, but it is still kind of meh and I don't want to fuck with more multiverse shit.

I think Wolfenstein and Quake deserve better than to play patsy to Doom.

[uneven dragon]

and that if doom 3 is canon then that also drags in the RPGs

[uneven dragon]

just remembered the ending to youngblood

[mystic barn]

There was a pretty great video by Ruby Ranger about how DOOM 3 can fit in with both the Quake lore and the modern DOOM lore

[hard thistle]

Hugo is wishy-washy in general. I will find this man and pay him a fortune to not answer lore questions ever again.

[mystic barn]

Ultimately, I see DOOM 3 in the same way as James Gunn sees The Suicide Squad; a vague memory of events, but nothing hyper specific, as it would convolute the timeline moving forward

[hard thistle]

I don't think the actual Doom multiverse and the Battlemode/cosmetic stuff are the same concepts, BTW.

[warm ibex]

YES thank you! Cannot even begin to express how upset it makes me that so many are willing to downplay Wolfenstein or Quake for the sake of boosting Doom

[uneven dragon]

hugo saying doom 3 is canon and then being asked how it's canon saying "i mustve misspoke" is kinda funny icl

[hard thistle]

I used to totally think this about Quake BTW. I had the opinion that Doom has taken all the prevalence of FPSes for modern id Software and that they might as well just roll Quake into it.

(This was a dogshit opinion.)

If they brought Quake back and reimagined it as a horror-action shooter like Doom 3 I think it could easily stand by Doom.

Less Strogg stuff. IMO a strong Quake revival would live and die by the theme of you playing as a normal, albeit pretty cool, soldier who is faced with mind-breaking Lovecraftian horrors and can only respond to them with bullets. Focus more on cosmic horror and contrast it with the action.

[warm ibex]

Preach

[hard thistle]

And Wolfenstein especially can be its own thing. The New Order is one of the best narratives in a videogame IMO, it is leagues above anything Doom has produced. I love Doom's universe and story, but we can tell which of these franchises has more narrative depth and it does not deserve to be shackled to Doom's own storytelling.

[uneven dragon]

funnily enough isn't wolfenstein the only id fps to like (OUTRIGHT) say it's a multiverse

(i am aware that Doom is Probably a multiverse but it hasn't outright said that)

[warm ibex]

I'm super excited for W3 but admittedly terrified that Youngblood's multiverse tease will lead to an outright dogshit narrative

[uneven dragon]

implying they wont just ignore youngblood

[hard thistle]

Yes. Doom's canon is blatantly a multiverse but they never outright confirm it, they just make story details that cannot make sense unless you accept there is a multiverse.

[warm ibex]

I don't think they will, that ending seemed like a very clear W3 setup

[hard thistle]

The newer Quake remasters imply a heavier connection between the Strogg and Shub-[CENSORED] but it still is not explicit.

[warm ibex]

Quake Champions also makes an effort to further connect Q1 with the rest of Quake, doesn't it? It's been a long time since I've read the QC lore

[uneven dragon]

maybe doom's story just doesn't make sense :p

[hard thistle]

I think so? But it also made up random bullshit about Doomguy IIRC.

[hard thistle]

Perhaps, but that isn't as fun to talk about! And it would make for a very boring document to read...

[uneven dragon]

quake champions was the first game to say doom slayer was classic doomguy outright :P

[hard thistle]

It also said he was Doom 3's protagonist IIRC.

[red peak]

Wait so what exactly is quake?

[uneven dragon]

idk if it did that it just had doom 3 marine as a skin for him

[red peak]

Ik its a game but i never played it and im took lazy to look it up

[hard thistle]

I could have sworn it referenced Doom 3 in his bio or something.

[uneven dragon]

which is technically not inaccurate as the official id software statement on doom 3's marine is that he's doom 3's incarnation of THE doomguy

[uneven dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1432242049146425416/B3CB35BB-B3F2-485E-8F80-4773304A50FD.webp?ex=690056da&is=68ff055a&hm=c7dba0a4728086e1c23b3d68a9035578d68fa952ebc22fae6c400567e417287e&

[uneven dragon]

preeeeeetty sure it didn't but don't quote me on that

[warm ibex]

Play the nightdive remaster of the first Quake as soon as possible. One of my favorite games of all time. It's $10 on all platforms (current gen and last) and it goes on sale during the holidays. Don't look for answers, just play it.

[hard thistle]

It is a game series by id Software that was after Doom. It revolutionized 3D graphics on PC, just as Doom revolutionized, well, graphics period on PC.

You will be hard-pressed to find a AAA 3D shooter game nowadays that does not have at least a bit of Quake's DNA in its code.

[red peak]

Oh, ok

[uneven dragon]

The UAC’s most remarkable discovery was in Hell’s Kadingir Sanctum. Surrounded by nearly impassable terrain, the team discovered a sealed tomb – its entrance and walls covered in protective runes and imprisonment incantations. The tomb revealed many artifacts, including the Praetor suit. Most notable, however, was an enormous sarcophagus bound to the center bedrock of the tomb with thick iron bands – seemingly anchored to prevent anything from getting in or out. It was believed this sarcophagus must hold a rare or powerful demon, but when later opened, it revealed the body of a man. Unrelenting; unforgiving; driven by a rage that cannot be contained. The Doom Slayer has been to Hell and brought it to its knees. He has no records, and he seems to vanish as quickly as he appears. The few witness accounts available detail a ruthless killer.
This is the Doom Slayer's Quake bio

[hard thistle]

I do not think Quake aged nearly as well as OG Doom, but the game deserves a lot of respect.

[warm ibex]

I generally agree, but I still like the original quake more than classic doom in a lot of ways

[hard thistle]

IMO Doom is just more fun. With Quake the pacing is a bit sluggish IMO, because since they couldn't have as many monsters onscreen as in Doom the monsters are significantly more tanky and the weapons feel weaker. The shotgun hits like a pistol and the SSG hits like a shotgun.

It's a great game and it deserves a lot of love! But nowadays I think Doom just catches my eye more. I still play WADs pretty often.

(Going Down is the GOAT.)

[uneven dragon]

kinda true yea

[uneven dragon]

I FUCKING LOVE GOING DOWN

[warm ibex]

I think Q1 and classic Doom are all pretty sluggish, just in different ways

for Quake it's absolutely the tanky enemies and weaker weapons. For Doom it's the lengthy campaigns with levels that either blend together or are just flat out bad

by the time I've reach level 15 on Doom or Doom II I'm usually ready to call it quits

[hard thistle]

It is so fucking good. An absolute classic. Level design and music all rock, and the text intermissions are hilarious. What a wonderful WAD.

[uneven dragon]

i like the one where the imp is on the phone with doomguy's mom

[hard thistle]

Doom 1 I could replay forever.

Doom 2? Okay, yeah, you are right. Doom 2 has some really awful levels.

[mystic barn]

The Chasm is goated though. Been a D1 defender

[red peak]

Huh?

[uneven dragon]

Evil Admin is a real funny level

[warm ibex]

Doom 1 suffers mostly from monotony imo, there aren't really any levels I would call flat out bad (off the top of my head at least)

[mystic barn]

Refinery’s not fantastic, neither is Limbo

[uneven dragon]

name is just really obvious already but the office having a hell knight carving on the wall before a hell knight pops up behind the admin desk is just so good

[hard thistle]

This was awesome. Also loved the last level in his apartment.

Did you play Overboard? That one was great. Not nearly as long but very fun.

[uneven dragon]

havent played overboard yet but its on my list

[hard thistle]

That's fair. I contend that the best official IWAD is Plutonia. Levels are short and sweet but very hard. I think Plutonia understands how to properly utilize the Doom 2 enemies in a way that Doom 2 itself did not.

[uneven dragon]

doom 1 has better level design but suffers from lack of enemy variety and doom 2 has enemy variety but suffers from bad level design :P

[uneven dragon]

Yeah exactlyyy Plutonia is really great

NRFTL is also great, very short obvs but it makes for a good Doom 2 epilogue

[hard thistle]

At least Doom 2 serves as a good base. This is my issue with SIGIL/II. John Romero is a hell of a map designer but the best maps in the world are not going to make shotgunning Cacodemons over and over fun. You can only do so much with Doom 1's limited enemy roster and no SSG.

[uneven dragon]

also it does the impossible of having a good bossfight in classic doom :P

[uneven dragon]

Sigil is pretty good but Sigil II really didn't do enough to shake things up

[hard thistle]

I can agree with that I think.

Even with OG SIGIL I still get burnt out by the 5th level or so.

[uneven dragon]

fair

sigil ii burnt me out by level 3 tho :P

mostly because that one is just very poorly designed tbh

shame too given E6M3 has my favourite of the Thorr soundtrack for it

[hard thistle]

Oh yeah no definitely. Especially on UV. I prefer to play my WADs on UV, if I don't I feel like I'm not getting the full experience - and SIGIL II ramps up the difficulty there, and the intense difficulty isn't as fun when all you can really do is either throw the heavier enemies (which are just Imps with more damage) at you when you have no ammo, or toss a Cyberdemon into Every Fucking Level

[uneven dragon]

cyberdemon in every level is really funny to be fair

[hard thistle]

Oh it's no doubt funny. But the punchline is only on me when I have no SSG...

Moving from something like SIGIL II to Going Down is like night and day, though. Going Down has some real ballbusters in it, but to my memory they all felt like unique and varied experiences that usually required different approaches.

[uneven dragon]

Going Down feels more comparable to Plutonia at points

yes i only made this comparison because of cyberden and go 2 it and nothing else how could you tell

[hard thistle]

GD also has that short-but-painful level design though, TBF.

Even before the slaughtermaps.

[uneven dragon]

true

[hard thistle]

Okay, I'm heading to bed. I get up for work in five hours, and I'll have to do more work on the document when I'm there.

Goodnight, nice talk, Hoovy, HORDE.

[uneven dragon]

goodnight! 👋

[harsh egret]

#merch-showcase message

@obsidian shard

[heady trout]

oh my fucking chirst seige part 1 is legitimately me new least favourite level in the game

trying to do it without dying is drivign me nuts

i was fighting a cyberdemon but the fuckass leader mancubus was spraying me as well and i couldnt do anything

actual fault of the game i refuse to believe that was my fault

[naive wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090570619449511946/1432017908535394496/rpg.mp4?ex=69002edb&is=68fedd5b&hm=ea89be5b2719b4b4c839b26b8f1f211b712b22bf045f4b4434b62ad6d13ff67c& chat what yall think about the rocket launcher

[uneven dragon]

Absolutely demolished holy

[heady trout]

replayed the arena and the problem wasnt there this time, assume it wasnt developer intended

okay seige part 1 done without dying, the only way to make this level bearable is to not go out of your way but instead only do what is asked of you, and get extra things along the way

i did some minor uneccesary arenas but yeah

[half spindle]

Hello. Is rippatorium bug still unfixed?

[heady trout]

died to absolutely nothing in seige part 2 near the last cyberdemon arena are you fucking kidding me

the guy was faltered, the hell knight infront of me was dead, and then suddenly BAM im dead

some fucking random fodder probably

oh ok

the stupid armored hell knight phase

ugh this game is annoying me for now

ill try seige part 2 later

im legitimately lost on what next thing I need to improve in the game, bc theres so many arenas i always barely survive, low health is super common

yeah theres the obvious spatial awareness and arena knowledge but idk something else has to have eluded me to cause me to constantly have low health

[solid nacelle]

I believe so

[heady trout]

https://youtu.be/tYXDjULwKRo if anyone has the time, review this recording i did to tell me what the fuck im still doing wrong

[flat vigil]

Yeah I always get on low health too the very majority of the time.

[peak frost]

Hey guys, I spent like 20 days shooting, animating and editing this Dark Ages appreciation video, do you think it's good?
https://youtu.be/8AUI6414SIc?si=IZQQHsKQgnTO_sIM

[hard thistle]

I don't have time to watch this but if it's TDA appreciation then it's good.

[peak frost]

Hahaha thanks brother. Well, maybe later you can watch the first minute and if it catches your attention then you can give it a like 😄

[flat vigil]

Even if I struggle quite a bit on Doom The Dark Ages, I gotta say that it is undoubtedly my favorite Doom yet.

[hard thistle]

TDA is my second-favorite.

[flat vigil]

What’s your favorite?

[hard thistle]

Eternal

[flat vigil]

That’s a good favorite.

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1432380786258219119/image.png?ex=6900d80f&is=68ff868f&hm=ab029cf345ab751dacc9b8ee45a1c1045f03a3525e573e55481d8591925d449b&

[flat vigil]

W tier list, personally I’d put Doom in S tier.

[peak frost]

Wow, that's exactly my tier list, I can't believe it.
Maybe, maybe i would move Doom 3 BFG on the Sony 3D TV (for immersion) to S tier. But all of it I agree 100%

[green estuary]

A few things

• you missed some parries (no big deal, that’s fixable)
• you threw your shield as imp fireballs were traveling towards you; it’s tempting to exclusively use your shield saw to clear out fodder but it’s often a lot safer to alternate between shield saw and shield bash since you do lose your primary defensive mechanism when you throw your shield (or you could just have really good reflexes and recall the shield whenever you see a projectile heading your way, but that can be hard)
• target prioritization—if there are a couple hell knights and a couple nightmare imps next to a cyberdemon, you absolutely need to take the nightmare imps out first. You can do this in number of ways, but the cycler isn’t really up to that task because it requires a bit of time to get going. Probably my favorite way to deal with them in this specific arena is to shield saw a hell knight and use ricochet to deal with the nightmare imps before I go any further in. Essentially, you can jump directly in the middle of all these enemies and survive if you’re skilled/fortunate enough, but why do that when you can eliminate a lot of that risk with little effort
• also doesn’t seem like you’re really engaging with the falter system yet, as the only time you use your melee is to execute an enemy. If you start paying attention to the yellow circles above the enemy’s head and learning what actions cause it, you’ll be able to string together melee combos which will make both your ammo and health situation much less tight

[heady trout]

i really dont understand the falter system

[vivid flicker]

The quality is surprisingly good!?

[random sand]

Why do you shield dash so little. This actually pissed me off😭

[green estuary]

Most enemies falter if you parry a single attack of theirs
But some enemies require more, like the armored mancubus (two parries in quick succession), cyberdemon (two parries), Komodo, baron (one projectile parry or three melee parries), and most leader demons, which are tougher to falter than their regular variants

But every armored demon falters from an armor break, no matter what

For enemies that are weaker than a mancubus, they falter slightly from a shield bash, which lets you get 2 hits in

[random sand]

Which is why the ssg is so good since one shot and the armor's done for

I typically do a shield dash, shoot my ssg, and then do 1-2 melee hits

[green estuary]

SSG also has the benefit of de-limbing most heavy demons, which also causes a falter

[random sand]

It'll either do that or just kill them instantly lmao

Actually, shield dash might be my goat. Even more than the ssg. One charged shield dash can falter an arachnotron

Not even falter. Daze

[green estuary]

combat shotgun users seething rn

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/ilNQsv71kbY

[heady trout]

okay about this, i always feel like theres a delay after eah shield bash

i just use it as a fodder killer, against non fodder i dont

[green estuary]

bro

you have to use shield bash against bigger demons

[heady trout]

what does it even do

some damage

[random sand]

Insane damage and falters demons

Also lets you get close to your target

[heady trout]

youve got to be shitting me

i use it only to get closer to targets and kill fodder

[green estuary]

well it deals a bunch of damage and allows you to get 2 melee hits in against anything smaller than a mancubus
And shield bash + ssg is the strongest 1-2 combo in the game

[random sand]

It oneshots arachnotrons

[heady trout]

all this time its been an actual thing I could use against heavier demons and not a suicide charge to a vulnerable position?

i legitimately thought it did piss damage, at best falter

[random sand]

Pretty much. When Hugo said "stand and fight" he meant it

[heady trout]

no he didnt

he meant stand and fight and dodge red projectiles

[green estuary]

bruh it’s a doom game
Of course you have to dodge projectiles

[random sand]

Well that's a part of fighting. Avoiding hits

[heady trout]

isnt shield bash mapped to the same shit as parry or is that my fault

[random sand]

You hold block and then press the trigger. Whatever button you use to shoot normally

[green estuary]

yes, because the action is the same as blocking

[heady trout]

oh right

[obsidian shard]

Holy fuck, it's everywhere

[heady trout]

when i shield bash it legitmately doesnt register as i did damage in my brain

[green estuary]

you block with your shield and then turn yourself into the projectile

[random sand]

If done really fast, you don't even see the blocking animation either

[heady trout]

aside from damage does it like, falter the demon in any way

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-whos-sus-not-me-gif-7283757931826139493

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[random sand]

Do you have the charge shield upgrade? Whenever you kill enemies with throwing it, you can charge it and it does massive damage

[heady trout]

right i forgot thats a thing

this game has so many upgrades and shit for everything i get lost plenty of times

[harsh egret]

fuck u vega

[obsidian shard]

Damn

[harsh egret]

hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @harsh egret.

[harsh egret]

fuck u

[obsidian shard]

Also good morning!

[naive wigeon]

shield bashing hell knights, arachnos, and imp stalkers is good, however opening a fight with any demon bigger than those guys by using a shield bash is a bad idea

[harsh egret]

yoyo

i got woken up by the UPS guy

was kinda funny

[random sand]

I just use my main ones. Shield upgrades, the stun rune, fists and ssg

[green estuary]

Shield bash + ssg is still the fastest way to deal with revs and whiplashes

[random sand]

That's about all i use

[naive wigeon]

oops yes forgot about those guys

[obsidian shard]

Lmao, what time is it for you?

[harsh egret]

rn 4:30 pm but i got woken up at like 11 am ish

had alarm for 12 (i know, i know)

[obsidian shard]

Damn, it's 8:37 AM for me rn

[harsh egret]

living in the future

[obsidian shard]

Since you live in the Future what is THE DOOM Arena Board Game Kickstarter like?

[harsh egret]

[random sand]

4:37 PM for me

[harsh egret]

what country if i may ask

[random sand]

Norway

[harsh egret]

HELL YE

my man

[random sand]

Lmao. You from there too?

[harsh egret]

jepp

[random sand]

Damn vi er brødre jo

[obsidian shard]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[harsh egret]

LOL

[random sand]

Ez

[harsh egret]

now what if u are that one guy in my apartment building that also bought the collectors edition randomly

i had to keep it for him for a bit cuz he wasnt home

[heady trout]

https://youtu.be/cPZEmBxK8_o?si=QGJoMIr5mV7momW7 how it feels to actually try the shield bash constantly in combat (This actually works)

[random sand]

I am not. I can tell ya that😭

[harsh egret]

lmao imagine

[obsidian shard]

You better be friends with him dude

[heady trout]

is there a delay after each shield bash until I can use another one?

[harsh egret]

icl i havent talked to him since

nor seen him from what i can remember xd

[random sand]

There's a cooldow on it. Afaik you can't see it and just have to know it

[heady trout]

okay yeah no this totally works, this is mostly what I was missing

[random sand]

Well there ya go

[heady mica]

yeah but its really short

[heady trout]

oh fuck off

the stupid arachonotron killed me in the last arena really???

[obsidian shard]

Plus you can "Charge" your Shield base

[heady trout]

i swear whoever thought of that type of damage can go die, most annoyign shit in the game

[obsidian shard]

They are blind

[heady trout]

i was THIS close to killing the armored Hell Knight

[solar cairn]

A little more than a month before TGA

[obsidian shard]

Erm it's called the Battle Knight

[solar cairn]

[heady trout]

but no heres this garbo designed so badly the doom game tells you to ''take cover''

[heady trout]

arachnotron bad on this tutorial fact alone

stand and fight more like ''take cover''

[obsidian shard]

The "Take cover" is typically by blocking with your Shield

[harsh egret]

bruh what xd

[heady trout]

oh yeah and your shield just desintegrates at that rate

[random sand]

Block the arachnotron's damage, shield dash over to it, insta-kill it with either a ssg shot or a melee hit, then go back to whatever you were doing

[obsidian shard]

Btw Arachnotrons are High Priority targets for the chess game of DOOM!

Their weakness is you being upclose and personal

[random sand]

Pretty much

[harsh egret]

shield bash into them and adios

kinda the opposite of take cover

[heady trout]

its very annoying to be mid fight and have the arachnotrons fire be like a fly in your ear

im busy fighting 3 hell knights plus one battle knight and hey heres this fly that can kill you annoying you 24/7

[random sand]

Something i learned very quick while playing doom. Never go for cover. You're more likely to survive if you're aggressive

[green estuary]

shield bash into them
they go down like a toy

[obsidian shard]

They are Glass canons

[heady trout]

Dark ages fans mock Eternal fans for not taking criticsm but when you critique the game they default to the Eternal fan thing of ''you aint doing it right'', its not that I cant kill them, its very annoying to have them be in the arena in the first place

[random sand]

Mid fight the arachnotron should be dead. That bitch should be dead the second you enter the arena

[green estuary]

he spawns on the leader wave

[heady trout]

they arent invincible ofc not, I just hate having to fight them in the first place

[green estuary]

that's what pressure units are

[random sand]

You don't tho. One shield bash + melee and they're dead

[half marlin]

so basically any eternal tag2 demon

[heady trout]

yeah

cursed prowler moment

[obsidian shard]

And those Bitches RUN

[green estuary]

comparing the tda arachnotron to the cursed prowler is insanity

[heady trout]

oh btw the game showed me the tutorial again and it says ''find cover'', not take cover, which is exactly my problem

[naive wigeon]

right click + m1 + m1 bro 😭

[heady trout]

i didnt though, i was commenting on the other guy who made a tag 2 comment

[wheat sigil]

nr2 isn't an issue, you press alt fire to block anyways, and if you do it while the shield is traveling you'll still block immediately

[random sand]

Those bitches are the one running. The second i hear 'em, my instincts instantly lock in on hunting that fucker down

[heady trout]

cursed prowler is a whole nother level of ass

[naive wigeon]

if ur not using the ssg to kill it just throw ur shield at it and then shoot it

[harsh egret]

bad takes final boss

[heady trout]

its not that I cant kill it guys, its that im busy having a decently engaging encounter and am forced to slap this mosquito away

[random sand]

Nah the bad take final boss is saying "doom the dark ages is slow"

[heady trout]

the first Cursed Prowler fan found, ofc ragebait but the good kind

[green estuary]

there are weird distance ranges where the shield doesn't immediately block when you tell it to do so
probably a bug but still it can be problematic

[harsh egret]

?

[random sand]

Target prioritisation. Similar to the archvile in eternal, if you don't prioritise it, it'll cause problems for you

[naive wigeon]

isnt it the same thing in eternal tho

[wheat sigil]

thr archvile is however extremely boring

[harsh egret]

tbf i didnt read the "cursed" part buti still dont hate the cursed prowler

[naive wigeon]

the game isnt going to tell other enemies to stop shooting at u so u can focus on fighting just one

[harsh egret]

either way if u think im here baiting then im worried

[wheat sigil]

or not extremely, but it is a boring enemy

[random sand]

Its main purpose is to punish you if you don't prioritise it. Sure, you are allowed to not like enemies that need to be focused, but that is its purpose and if you ask me it's a decent one

[wheat sigil]

oh yeah hitscan sucks lmao

[green estuary]

"punish you if you don't prioritize memorize it"

[random sand]

Legit just see it tryna summon enemies, go over to it, spam it with shots, problem solved

[heady trout]

this is the archville problem

[green estuary]

the doom 2 archvile didn't have this problem

[half marlin]

serious sam arachnoids
and they're arachno-dudes too

[green estuary]

easier said than done when said arena is actually somewhat complex

[half marlin]

tho in tda u have shield to cover up from hitscan
in serious sam u have

ehm u have

have a uuuuuuh
cannon idk

[wheat sigil]

it is an extremely rudimentary application of enemy prioritization present in eternal (and tda)
it's so vapid that i'd argue it doesn't promote enemy prioritization anymore, since it doesn't actually engage with any form of complex decision making where target prioritization shifts

thr archvile is just "see it spawn, kill it"

and tunnel visioning it isn't an issue if you use lock-on burst, because it just instantly kills it

same applies for arachnotrons in tda

[random sand]

Could you write this again so i can understand it

[heady mica]

arachnotrolling

[wheat sigil]

the whole gist of enemy prioritization in eternal (and tda) is that the player has to both choose what to target, how to approach the enemy, and for how long it'd be worth engaging with them for
the archvile ignores this by obviously being the highest-prio target, and the approach isn't interesting either because lock-on burst

high-prio+easily killed

tda arachnotrons and cursed prowlers are the same

[random sand]

That's not the archvile's job tho. Its job is to make you rethink your engagement and focus on finding the bastard. Which is made even trickier since the bitch can teleport. Think of him as a more advanced and stronger buff totem

[wheat sigil]

so its purpose in combat is making the player ignore combat to find it hiding in some corner?

and the archvile won't teleport without player interferance

[random sand]

I am aware. It teleporting can make you lose it again

[heady trout]

yeah this

[random sand]

Its purpose is to put you on your toes and have you find him before he does too much

[wheat sigil]

soft falter->lock-on burst
and you can follow the trail

[random sand]

Not everyone knows or does this tho. I usually just spam ssg and ballista or bfg the bastard

[green estuary]

well that's kinda on them

it's the easiest way to kill them

[wheat sigil]

the archvile's rules could push the player into learning some stuff, but the player won't know to do that in the first place

[random sand]

It's on them for not knowing shit? That's like saying it's on them for not being able to easily kill a marauder and one cycle it

[wheat sigil]

throw in a frag or blood punch and you won't give it a chance to teleport lol

[green estuary]

a grenade + two lock on bursts is not comparable to being able to one cycle a marauder

[wheat sigil]

and i'd argue realising the application of lock-on burst isn't a highly cognitively demanding task

[random sand]

Requires pretty much the same thing

[wheat sigil]

absolutely not

[green estuary]

no
no it does not

[random sand]

What difference is there other than the time crunch and maybe an extra ballista shot

[heady trout]

omg the last arena in seige part 2 can go kiss my ass, even when doing everything I think is right, i get fucked

[wheat sigil]

the archvile is extremely easy to "one cycle" and has little to no interesting systems, while the marauder has loads of neat things which makes it engaging

[heady trout]

its always some new shit killing me

[random sand]

Like?

[green estuary]

lock on redirects

feet ballista

[random sand]

Tech a beginner wouldn't know

[green estuary]

yeah, where an archvile literally comes down to "toss grenade, lock on burst"

which a beginner could 100% know, considering lock on burst is the most beginner friendly mod in the game

[heady trout]

and on my second try I always get it, but its supposed to be a no death run so ill have to start again

[random sand]

It's probably just from personal experience but that didn't work for me. I think because of his fuckass shield

[heady trout]

actually im done with this level, no death run my ass I already beat the arenas more than once im so fucking tired of seige as a whole, no matter when or how I play both stages I crash out

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

that last siege 2 arena had me crashing out at one point also

[wheat sigil]

lock-on redirects, falter extentions (and when to use them), feet ballista and animation states

[heady trout]

seige part 1 and 2 are the new cultist base and doom hunter base, but at least those I could perfect with time, here im forced to deal with a shitload of enemies like its mario maker

whatever

[random sand]

Advanced tech only a pro can do

[green estuary]

I appreciate the compliment, but nah

[heady trout]

moving on from these 2 levels, ill never ultra nightmare this game, already did Eternal, not doing that shit with a game twice as long and with more bs

[random sand]

I've tried. Either i'm way more shit than i thought despite having over 100 hours on the game or it's for the pros

[wheat sigil]

falter extensions are literally just using the heat blast, blood punches, or frags
animation states comes down to understanding how his different animations work
and i forgot to mention general knowledge of his ai which can massively ease fights with hum

[heady trout]

(I still love this game but fuck un'ing this it would take forever)

[jagged sequoia]

Ahh I'm too broke to buy this game 😦

[green estuary]

to lock on redirect you just have to lock on to the marauder, then look away from him and let the rockets go
then, while he's holding his shield to block the rockets, you blast him with a ballista shot
and ideally, he'll falter before the rockets hit so you don't waste any ammo

[green estuary]

it goes on sale periodically

[wheat sigil]

and to make it possible to do basically anywhere and hit him with more rockets, you can mod swap cancel into the ballista

not something you'd randomly learn about when playing the game, but also not super hard to do

[green estuary]

yeah well that's above my pay grade lmao

[jagged sequoia]

Well i hope so, cuz that's how I got one of the best game ever (Eternal) and had one hell of a time with it

[green estuary]

it was on sale a couple weeks back for 40 something dollars iirc

I got it for about 50 during the quakecon sale

[jagged sequoia]

I see, must've been for a short period

I was thinking of getting a good chill game like snowrunner for some change from all this demons and other action stuffs, eventhough I've bought dying light and haven't played past the Parkour training, because I'm scared shtless that I'll definitely piss my pants

[heady trout]

oh my fuckign god siege part 2 is kicking my ass all of a sudden, probably bc im angry as shit and play worse

this game and Eternal are both rage inducing if you try not to die once per stage

[wheat sigil]

you should learn it, it got some neat applications and is only one press with somewhat lenient timing

[green estuary]

maybe I will

I'm pretty washed at eternal rn tbf though

[heady trout]

OH MY GOD

AGAIN THE LAST ARENA

what is it with this last arena, i do everything well, survive but when you put me against the soup of demons i just get cooked

im probably pissed off and thats why im sucking so much ass

[green estuary]

maybe just try and play the game more before trying to get a no death run on particular levels

[heady trout]

i already did that

i already beat the game on Nightmare

now im doing it again with some slightly less forgiving parry windows and higher game speed

the worst part is i usually replay the arena before starting the whole stage again and thats when I beat it, but on my first try on the no death run i get cooked

this is mostly an attempt to force myself to learn the game better

if i hadnt tried this i wouldnt have come here askngn for help and recieved the shield bash knowledge

im convinced Eternal was just as frustrating to learn its just i forgot about it/my memory blocked the knowledge out

[green estuary]

oh it is

the first arena in doom hunter base legitimately had me seething for the longest time

[heady trout]

okay yeah im just not gonna bother trying to deathless this level, i can clearly do its just im pissed off as shit and I have better things to do with my time

if EVERY TIME on my second try I can best the arena its not that my skill is a problem, its just im anxious and make stupid choices

honestly due to that last arena by itself being so annoying Seige part 1 is better

hell knights and battle knights are just a pain in the ass, im always running away while shooting and parrying

[green estuary]

siege 1 also has fuckass checkpoints

[heady trout]

feels fucking pathetic

[green estuary]

those guys you can just stay put pretty easily

[heady trout]

i wish i could be the one charging at them

[green estuary]

you can
you just have to use melee better

[heady trout]

but with so many attacks to parry its kind of fucking annoying to do so

[heady trout]

define melee better

i do ONE melee and that leaves me open for attack for a small window of time

[green estuary]

you can actually just straight up stunlock battle knights
parry their first attack, ssg then shield throw breaks their armor, faltering them
which then allows you to follow up with either another ssg shot or a melee combo

[heady trout]

with two hell knights and a battle knight what exactly am i supposed to do with melee

one? Sure no problem

i already do what you say

but with three i kind of find myself forced to run away while shooting

and ofc the battle knight

[green estuary]

every parry you do sends out a shockwave

so every time you parry either the battle knight or one of the hell knights, both hell knights will falter

the leader battle knight is tougher to falter, but you can use the falter window to shield bash into one of the hell knights, melee him, etc

[heady trout]

why would i even use melee if i have full ammo and i have better damage dealing options

the melee legitimately seems like the worse option by leaving me vulnerable for a second while I do the melee attack

[green estuary]

there are no guns in this game that can compare to the damage of a gauntlet/dreadmace combo

melee is your best damage dealing option

[heady trout]

oh a combo sure, but while im doing that combo im being backshotted by the other enemies

i struggle to see the usefulness of the melee combos in large arenas if the price of using them is being vulnerable to so much enemy fire

[green estuary]

the retaliaion shockwave covers a lot of that

[heady trout]

whats that

[green estuary]

the first shield upgrade
"parrying Hell surges will trigger a larger, more powerful shockwave that causes nearby demons to heavy falter"

[heady trout]

okay yes, that I know, but my problem still stands that doing a melee combo even after a falter leaves u open to enemy damage in larger arenas, especially since ur standing still when doing them

[wheat sigil]

another reason the mace is op

[heady trout]

okay wtf, wasnt the flail bad?

i swear I saw multiple people here say the flail was ass

or the worst melee

[green estuary]

it is

[heady trout]

so when M1 says Mace, do they refer to the third melee?

[green estuary]

yes

[heady trout]

okay yeah english isnt my first language, shit confused me

kind of weird you have to learn the fist only for the game to give you the mace later which is way better and easier to use

[green estuary]

imo the fists might actually be better for single targets

[heady trout]

the thing is ur usually not fighting single targets

[green estuary]

I mean when there's a leader demon you really want to burst down quickly

[arctic pagoda]

To bonk demons with big stick

[heady trout]

Big stick is good that's true

[arctic pagoda]

Yes it go K L O N K

[brittle finch]

What do y’all think looks better? 1080P max with path tracing and ray reconstruction or just 1440P max?

Cus I’d say option 1 looks slightly prettier, but option 2 performs way better (which tbh performance doesn’t matter much in single player games as long as it isn’t too bad and the latency is decent)

[hard thistle]

I'd argue performance is still very important in a game like TDA where your reflexes matter very much.

I'd rather have the game at a 9/10 graphics-wise with 120FPS than a 10/10 at 60FPS.

[meager spindle]

TDA is finally verified on steam deck

[dark thunder]

im still believing in doom whip

doom whip for dlc where my doom whippers at

[solar cairn]

1440

[brittle finch]

It apparently doesn’t run well on deck, but it runs on deck and that’s what matters

[solar cairn]

Ray tracing only for cards 5070 and above makes sense

[obsidian shard]

40 FPS at 720p aint bad

[meager spindle]

It runs good for a game of that caliber ON the go. Ran better than 2016 on switch

[brittle finch]

Fair

2016 was a beast at the time tho

My PS4 would get even louder than usual 💀

[flat vigil]

Unfortunately PS5 players are stuck on 60 FPS.

[brittle finch]

I’d say GOW 2018 was arguably a little easier to run and it came out 2 years later if that says anything

[brittle finch]

More like 40 I’d say cus technically it “can” run games at 120, but it doesn’t have the power for that

Most modern games don’t run at 60 on PS5 from what I remember

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm not sure if the id team has the capability to write smt like that and make it interesting and escape the massive sea of shouting coming their way after a decision like that. Only way I see it happening is if it's not really the lust we think of and instead a longing to go back to the good ol times like just have a shapeshifting demon turn into his wife. This way it ties into the overarching narrative of his character and avoid unecessary weird moments that won't alienate any fans. But like this has a 5% chance of happening at all, it's just gonna be a buncha big bad demon guys.

[brittle finch]

Latency comes into play more in that situation imo, anything feels playable as long as you cap your frame rate and are getting a consistent frame rate

[hard thistle]

As cool as stuff like this is, I think the Doom universe's view of Hell doesn't have much room for more cerebral takes on demons like this.

[frail bloom]

Ye I know but it would be cool like you said

It's just gonna be a lotta big bad guys

[flat vigil]

Doom Eternal for me on the PS5 has a 120 FPS option and it does run at 120 FPS, however Doom The Dark Ages only runs at 60 FPS for me ‘cause they haven’t added that setting.

[obsidian shard]

60 FPS is fine tho

30 FPS is straight ass tho

[flat vigil]

Definitely, but 120 FPS is better lol.

[brittle finch]

Eternal has had like 5 years for them to optimize it so it makes sense

[flat vigil]

Yeah, that was my thought.

[brittle finch]

120 FPS is the highest you’ll need tbh

[obsidian shard]

Im just surprised the Series S does 60fps

[flat vigil]

Maybe they’ll add a 120 FPS option on the PS5 for Doom The Dark Ages in the future.

[brittle finch]

It might not get 120 unless the PS5 version has an option for frame gen

[flat vigil]

What’s frame gen?

[brittle finch]

It generates “fake” AI frames to make the game feel smoother. If they added a frame generation option they could probably get 120 FPS without much visual difference. (Btw if you’re worried about AI you shouldn’t be because the AI is TRAINED to do that)

The main problem is latency (which isn’t that much of a problem usually anyways)

[peak frost]

Thanks so much Noodles! I'm so glad you liked my video, I hope more Doom fans could agree with what I say in the video, I love The Dark Ages so much.

[brittle finch]

Dark Ages is peak

I liked Eternal a little more tbh, but Dark Ages is solid

I think for me it goes 1993 Doom, 2016, Eternal, then Dark Ages

[flat vigil]

For me The Dark Ages is my favorite so far, even if I haven’t finished it yet. It just looks awesome imo.

I’m just stuck at Siege part 1.

[flat vigil]

W list

[brittle finch]

Best looking game by far obviously because that’s how it goes in the game development space lol

But ye it looks sick asf

[flat vigil]

Yeah, also Doomslayer looks more badass in it imo.

[brittle finch]

Thanks :3

Tbh the rest of the games in the series besides those 4 are meh

Maybe besides Doom 64, but it only being on the N64 for YEARS and having bad sound design and confusing level design makes it not really worth playing imo

[flat vigil]

Fair.

[brittle finch]

Doom 2 just felt like a DLC for the original Doom

[flat vigil]

Me personally I only played Doom 2016, Doom Eternal and Doom The Dark Ages lol. I watched some gameplay of the other ones tho.

[brittle finch]

N Doom 3 was weird, but not as bad as people say I think

[flat vigil]

I’m very late to the party tbh since my first Doom game was Doom 2016 since I’ve had it in my PS4 since 2016 but never played it until 2 or 3 weeks ago. 🙃

[brittle finch]

Those were the most modern and mainstream games so that makes sense

[brittle finch]

You should finish it :3

It’s the best of the modern games imo

[flat vigil]

I already finished Doom 2016 and almost finished it again but on nightmare mode, and I haven’t really finished Doom Eternal yet because I watched a few minutes of The Dark Ages gameplay and instantly got interested xD

[brittle finch]

My one problem with it is the nightmare mode is such bs that it takes hours to beat some gore nests sometimes because they just PUMP the enemies with stats and they spam enemies like crazy, but Ultra Violence is the standard difficulty anyways so it isn’t a huge problem

[frail bloom]

Agreed, until that dark ages dlc drops

Then I'm switching lol

[brittle finch]

Good

Dark Ages and Eternal are probably a little cooler than 2016, but 2016 just makes you feel like a badass ngl

Like 2016 was so unbelievably hype when it dropped

And the gameplay is just amazing

[flat vigil]

Personally Doom 2016 is my second favorite. Really loved it. I don’t like Doom Eternal as much because of it being much more complex than Doom 2016 and I’m just a casual player I’d say.

[cursive grotto]

Me when I want to start a new 2016 save and get one shot at 80 hp by an off screen fireball in the first 2 levels

[brittle finch]

For the time I think it was a little too demanding to run on consoles because the current generation wasn’t even out yet. More of a last gen sucking problem tho

[brittle finch]

They don’t do 80 damage unless you’re on nightmare tho

Even then they do 70 iirc

On UV it’s more like 50

[cursive grotto]

Yeah? I play on nightmare dummy

[obsidian shard]

send me your ripatorium encounters!

[hard thistle]

2016's the worst of the new games IMO. Still pretty good though.

[obsidian shard]

I only have Combat shotgun
Shredder
and 100 HP/50 Shied!

[flat vigil]

Fair.

[obsidian shard]

thats says ALOT

[brittle finch]

Ohhhh

Nightmare is pretty unfair

One thing I hated about 2016 is that if you accidentally missed a weapon you wouldn’t even have an opportunity to get it until another few levels in

[hard thistle]

Where's my Doom tier list.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1432380786258219119/image.png?ex=6900d80f&is=68ff868f&hm=ab029cf345ab751dacc9b8ee45a1c1045f03a3525e573e55481d8591925d449b&

[brittle finch]

The AR shows up in level 2 and if you miss it you either have to restart or wait until level 5 to get it in 2016

[brittle finch]

OG Doom not being S+ is a little crazy

[slender night]

Different strokes for different folks

[hard thistle]

OG Doom is fantastic, but it just doesn't have the sauce the ones above it do. It's one of the best games ever made for sure, but it's also just the baseline for the series. It exists to be expanded on.

[brittle finch]

Cacodemon?! Can you beatbox for me frfr?

[slender night]

Possibly

[obsidian shard]

Whats wrong with this image?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527939153297448/1432449108655997090/DOOM__The_Dark_Ages-2025_10_27-19-06-10.png?ex=690117b1&is=68ffc631&hm=095858f01255c875d16d2d3d491ffcb54da8b38adbd023ed94a2f4add7fbe5cf&

[cursive grotto]

Why would I complain about imp fireballs doing 80 damage if I don't play on the difficulty where that happens lol

[flat vigil]

lol

[brittle finch]

I thought you were over exaggerating

[frail bloom]

You at 100 hp

[brittle finch]

Nightmare is definitely bs sometimes tho

[frail bloom]

Which is not max

[obsidian shard]

50 shield

and No shield saw

plus un upgraded shredder

[uneven dragon]

kinda true

[frail bloom]

I guess I have no eyes

[cursive grotto]

Naw

Like any doom obsessed keyboard warrior I play on nightmare

[brittle finch]

You should beat the original Doom on nightmare difficulty frrr

[flat vigil]

Personally I play on nightmare after already beating the game on hurt me plenty or ultra violence.

[brittle finch]

I just do UV and then move on to another game

[obsidian shard]

I sent it to support to let em know how bad it actually is!
and to ask if its being worked!

[brittle finch]

The earlier games on UV are still harder than hell

[cursive grotto]

My first doom game was eternal so I first played that on ultra violence

Then I played nightmare after that for every game

[flat vigil]

Nice

[cursive grotto]

Sure lmao

I've been wanting to play the 90s originals anyways

They look fun

[flat vigil]

The Dark Ages is the only Doom I played on ultra violence first, because the first time I played Doom 2016 I just picked hurt me plenty as I had no idea what to expect and I also picked hurt me plenty for Doom Eternal because I wanted to play the first mission or 2 first before deciding whether to go on ultra violence or stay on hurt me plenty.

[brittle finch]

Enemies respawn on nightmare in the original

[cursive grotto]

How many times per arena

I'm assuming there's a cap

[brittle finch]

I’m not sure about 2 but I think they made it actually balanced

[cursive grotto]

Like the ripatorium in dark ages

[brittle finch]

Infinite or as close to infinite as the game can handle

[cursive grotto]

Bro what the shit

How do you even beat the game on nightmare then

[brittle finch]

It was meant to be a joke difficulty originally lmao

It’s possible

Just really really hard

[flat vigil]

People who have beat any Doom on ultra nightmare is crazy tbh.

[cursive grotto]

I beat dark ages unmodified on UN, eternal base campaign on UN and both tags on UN

Am I crazy

[brittle finch]

Nah

The hardest part about Ultra Nightmare is having to beat Nightmare beforehand cus Nightmare will give you lots of practice for it and unlock it (at least in 2016)

2016 probably has the hardest UN because the nightmare is so damn hard

But by the time you beat it that’s probably already like 50 hours of practice for UN 💀

[cursive grotto]

I haven't even tried UN 2016 yet but isn't it cheesable with op runes

There's one that gives infinite ammo above 100 armor iirc

[flat vigil]

Tbh Doom on nightmare mode isn’t too hard imo.

Ultra nightmare tho is pretty hard lol

[brittle finch]

Ig hard isn’t the right word maybe, but time consuming is

[flat vigil]

Oh yeah, it’s definitely time-consuming.

[brittle finch]

Eternal had some really hard parts just on UV

[flat vigil]

Yeah tbh Eternal is a lot harder than 2016.

[cursive grotto]

Let me try recalling the infamous choke points for me on eternal UN

[grim cloud]

i felt eternal was the easiest for UNM

too much random bs in 2016

[cursive grotto]

Exultia's first big combat area where you drop down a big ledge, cultist base in it's entirety..that's it lmao

[brittle finch]

UV is harder in Eternal, but nightmare is harder in 2016

Imo

[grim cloud]

biggest killer for me in Eternal is the later level anxiety.

[brittle finch]

Which is why it’s so hard ig

[flat vigil]

Maybe.

[summer summit]

Got an email from Slayers Club saying "Take Doom The Dark Ages on the go!" and I was like "Holy crap, it's coming to the Switch 2!". Nope, just saying that it's been verified for Steam Deck, followed by ads for the ROG Xbox Ally and Xbox Ally X and the Lenovo Legion Go Gen 2.

[flat vigil]

lol

[cursive grotto]

I'd be shocked if they ever managed to get this game on the switch 2 without it spontaneously combusting

[brittle finch]

I feel like if I made it to the icon of sin I’d probably die because of how much health they gave that fucker

[flat vigil]

Same.

[brittle finch]

I mean it’ll probably run in 720P with handheld graphics

Just at like 15 FPS

[cursive grotto]

The steam deck hardly got it and that things way beefier than a switch

[obsidian shard]

prob 30 fps

[cursive grotto]

Even if the switch can somehow run it it definitely won't be smooth at all

[brittle finch]

I mean 30 ain’t bad if you lock the frame rate to 30

[grim cloud]

idtech is pretty scaleable and optimized, but yah ... switch 2 having issues with Elden Bling

[hard thistle]

I think they can get TDA on Switch 2 if it's people like Panic Button.

[cursive grotto]

For some reason eternal has been freaking out on me today

[grim cloud]

oh they will do it, its part of id's DNA

[cursive grotto]

Played dark ages on high settings at like 100 fps which is normal for me, then booted up eternal to a very whacky experience of a never smooth framerate going between 60-144

Literally never happened before

[grim cloud]

Max settings FPS on my computer: 2016 110fps, Eternal 150 fps, TDA 70FPS

[brittle finch]

Because most of the reason why 30 feels choppy is because usually it isn’t a consistent 30 due to your refresh rate being set higher than needed for 30 FPS. The reason I say this is because when I cap my frames closer to that range it doesn’t feel choppy as long as it’s a consistent 30.

[brittle finch]

I probably only get 40 without frame generation on max 1440P settings in TDA

I can get like 120 with frame generation tho

[wheat sigil]

considering how long eternal and 2016 have been out, it wouldn't be particularly hard to play a bit here and there and eventually do un
but you gotta like the games for that ofc, lol

[brittle finch]

Which technically isn’t even max settings because path tracing exists

[cursive grotto]

My poor laptop can't even handle anything above high settings and the lowest graphics quality slider in dark ages lmao

[grim cloud]

i lose about 30+ fps when i turn path tracing on. it also isn't a huge difference

[cursive grotto]

Yet another day of regretting getting a laptop and not just building a way better desktop for the same price

[wheat sigil]

lowest everything for me gets me like a bit above 200 in eternal and 90 in tda

[placid rampart]

Same, I want a nice desktop eventually, but I’m kinda broke

[cursive grotto]

What's cho specs

[wheat sigil]

uh, idk

[grim cloud]

4090 here

[cursive grotto]

My ticket to a crazy desktop is in 2 years

I literally just have to study

[brittle finch]

I have a 5050 💔

[grim cloud]

i get better performance if i put a cap on refresh rate

so i think that is 110 or something

[cursive grotto]

My dad promised me that he'd get me something awesome way better than my current laptop if I do super well on my university entrance exam

Pray for me fellas

[grim cloud]

4090 has more vram last i checked, mabye 24gigs

[brittle finch]

But it was my choice to get a 5050 laptop over a 5060 laptop because the 5060 variant was $150 more (which is terrible value)

[placid rampart]

Good luck gamer

[brittle finch]

It has triple the VRAM of my GPU

But VRAM doesn’t matter much past like 9 gigs in TDA because that’s around what max settings with ray tracing uses iirc

[grim cloud]

i htink with max settings the game uses nearly 12gigs, id have to check again

[brittle finch]

Oh damn 12?

[grim cloud]

DONT QUOTE ME ON THAT

[cursive grotto]

How many more years do y'all think my 4060 laptop can last me

[brittle finch]

Probably like 5ish or at least that’s my plan

Then just upgrade when games get too demanding

[placid rampart]

How many years have you had it so far?

[grim cloud]

what matters if it can run the next doom game. It should

[cursive grotto]

2, got it in 2023 September

[grim cloud]

i dont use years, i use how many more doom games, maybe 2?

[cursive grotto]

Seeing as how I can't even push above high settings and above the lowest graphics quality slider in tda, I doubt it

[placid rampart]

I think my laptop is also 4060 (not 100% sure on that), it’s lasted me about 4 and a half years so far

[grim cloud]

if they stick with idtech 8, it will just be more optimized. I know they want to expand the levels into seamless design, like Half Life

[cursive grotto]

Tda was an insane jump from eternal

[brittle finch]

Here’s a tip, the texture pool setting does almost nothing past 2048 MBs

[cursive grotto]

So if the next doom game is as much of a jump, then ain't no way it's handling the next game

[grim cloud]

i have a feeling we are getting Metroidvania Prime esq level design for the next game

[cursive grotto]

It'd spontaneously combust

[brittle finch]

Everything else is more important in almost every way

[placid rampart]

Are there plans for another Doom game already?

[cursive grotto]

Yeah I can't even get it to 2k lol

I can only do the lowest one, like 1500 or something

[grim cloud]

Hugo says he will never stop making doom games, kinda already hinted it, but that can always change

[placid rampart]

Honestly, I’m lowk hoping id either tries to revive quake or do something new

[brittle finch]

And people recommend the 4060 over the 5050 💔

[grim cloud]

they also said Quake is not currently planned, at least not planned on being made by id at this time

[cursive grotto]

Bro you don't gotta make me feel worse about my laptop 💔

I already feel bad about getting it

[brittle finch]

Fair

[grim cloud]

I htinki Machine Games might be making that ... or getting us a new Wolfenstein

[brittle finch]

If it makes you feel any better my CPU literally costs more than my GPU

[cursive grotto]

So that means you have a crazy cpu

7800x3d?

[brittle finch]

I have the laptop equivalent of the I7 13700

[cursive grotto]

9800?

[brittle finch]

So meh

[brittle finch]

Nah

[cursive grotto]

My cpu is an i7-12650H

Decent I think

10 cores

[cursive grotto]

Have you seen any noticeable performance drops over the years

[brittle finch]

The only real difference between the 12th and 13th generation/12xxx and 13xxx is 12th gen is compatible with AM4 motherboards and DDR4 RAM, which is slightly slower and 13th gen and beyond is compatible with AM5 motherboards and DDR5 RAM, which is slightly faster

[cursive grotto]

Or does it feel about the same

[brittle finch]

So overall a pretty small difference

[cursive grotto]

Honestly as long as I can play tda for 2 more years until I get a desktop upgrade idrc lol

Surely it'll last for 2 more years

[placid rampart]

I play a lot of older games, the most noticeable performance issues I’ve had were with Doom TDA and God of War 2018

[cursive grotto]

Right

[brittle finch]

Nah on g it’ll explode

[cursive grotto]

I didn't struggle with either at all

God of war 18 and ragnarok pushed it, I had about 80 fps, but still pretty good

[brittle finch]

Didn’t you say that you can barely run TDA on low settings?

😭

[placid rampart]

I’ll have to double check my specs then, I might have been misremembering, sorry

[cursive grotto]

100 fps on high settings lowest texture slider

[brittle finch]

Decent

1080P or 1440P?

[cursive grotto]

My native is 1080

[placid rampart]

Some of the updates may have fixed performance issues on my end for TDA? I had the worst performance when I ran it on default settings when it released.

[brittle finch]

On 1080P I lowered everything down and it looked like the original Halo, but it ran at like 400 FPS 🔥

[cursive grotto]

I still had really smooth gameplay when I first played tda in june

But fps has gotten a bit better since then

Like 10 more fps

[brittle finch]

Pretty much the steam deck experience 💀

[cursive grotto]

Bro 😭

[brittle finch]

Except for the good FPS part

[brittle finch]

I was doing it as a funni joke

[cursive grotto]

You're getting 4x more fps than me in 1080

Dark ages made me realize my laptop is fucking garbage lol

[brittle finch]

I was using 4X frame generation so it makes sense

[brittle finch]

If you optimize your settings you can get respectable performance

[cursive grotto]

What category does high settings 1080p 100 fps fall into

Acceptable?

[brittle finch]

I’d say if you don’t mind 60 FPS you could try DLSS Quality and 2X DLSS Frame Generation on 1440P with ultra settings and low shadow quality and still have 2048 texture pool quality or if that’s too much just swap to 1080P instead of 1440P

And that’ll look a bit better and run at like 120 FPS

[harsh egret]

2x framegen has barely any added input delay honestly

Its good

[cursive grotto]

I don't even want to see what'd happen to this piece of junk if I changed the resolution to 1440p

[brittle finch]

I don’t notice much on 4X even in TDA tbh

[cursive grotto]

I changed eternal to 1440p for funnies and immediately dropped from 170 fps to like 10

[harsh egret]

4x i do notice it a bit

[brittle finch]

Damn 😭

[harsh egret]

Its better than some other games before it tho

[brittle finch]

Bro got the Ryzen 4070 frfr

[cursive grotto]

To be fair

I have eternal fully maxed out

Raytracing nightmare or ultra nightmare settings I forgot

So it makes sense changing to 1440p would kill performance

[warm ibex]

I know I'm a little late to the conversation, but they put Indiana Jones on the Switch 2 and it uses id Tech 7 with mandatory tracing. I can't imagine TDA will be THAT much worse, id games are always well optimized from what I hear

[brittle finch]

It’s probably the ray tracing then

[cursive grotto]

I've seen alot of complaints towards tda's performance and optimization since release

Like ALOT

[brittle finch]

Ye but 720P ray tracing ain’t that impressive in the first place tho lol

[harsh egret]

Idk how close the steam deck or that one other handheld are to the switch 2 but they got it running on those, so its totally doable i think

[harsh egret]

Yh but ur playing on a small ass screen tho

[brittle finch]

Yes, but the Switch 2 has like half the power of the ROG Xbox Ally and Steam Deck

[brittle finch]

Fair

[warm ibex]

But how much of that is people complaining about "poor optimization" because of mandatory ray tracing and not because of how it actually runs on their system? Or how much of it is people trying to play on an outdated device?

[brittle finch]

“I paid for 1080P, I want 1080P” 🙏

[harsh egret]

How is nintendo of all companies making a handheld with half the power of those

[grim cloud]

nintendo cheap

they buy up old hardware because they can. because ninty fans buy everything from them

[harsh egret]

Boggles the mind

[gusty seal]

the journey of a thousasnd miles begins with one step

[solid nacelle]

Was it really necessary to make it the same width as the original switch?

[gusty seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Cjhg2xXi0&t=9s

[brittle finch]

It also has a requirement of 8 GBs of VRAM on 1080P which isn’t normal. I’d say it’s arguably just less optimized for weaker GPUs/systems.

[grim cloud]

we shall see what xbox and ps are cooking up.

[uncut needle]

shield saw: can be recalled after its initial hit
the game when i want to parry at low health: "Nah"

[warm ibex]

and that's totally fair too

but at the same time, I cannot even begin to count the amount of "I can't even play the game because of dogshit optimization" comments I've gotten from folks that seem to be playing the game on a midrange PC from seven years ago

[brittle finch]

I mean to START the game you need 8 GBs of VRAM, which is kinda scummy

[warm ibex]

I think "scummy" is a bit of a stretch

[brittle finch]

Even tho anything less than 8 is currently unplayable in most games

[harsh egret]

Its also kinda nvidias fault for not having more vram on their gpus which they should have

[obsidian shard]

It can run on 6gb too with mods 😭

[brittle finch]

I mean fair, but most modern GPUs have 8 bare minimum

[harsh egret]

And i bet companies like id were hoping that when their games launch, nvidia would have more higher vram gpus on the market by then

[brittle finch]

In like 7 FPS, but I don’t see why you have to even use a work around to TRY the game out if you don’t have a modern GPU

[brittle finch]

I mean technically there’s always the Intel B580 and RTX 3060, but both are terrible options because neither can use their 12 GBs of VRAM because they aren’t powerful enough

At best maybe 10 GBs of VRAM is usable on those cards if you don’t wanna be at literally 10 FPS

I think the reason why Nvidia limits VRAM on cheaper cards is partially because they know they aren’t really powerful enough to need more VRAM

(Mostly because they’re greedy tho)

[solar cairn]

In general, tracing the path is useless in the Doom, I’m sure it includes a percentage or less

[gusty seal]

i turned off path tracigng

its poop imo

[brittle finch]

With how cheap VRAM is, it still wouldn’t hurt to give cheaper cards like 10 GBs of VRAM

[gusty seal]

vagina ram?

jk

[solar cairn]

I have a 40th generation and only the generation of two frames is available, there is a catastrophic lack of fps, but guys with 5080 and above should be comfortable

[brittle finch]

Ye bro u put RAM in there and it turns into VRAM

[brittle finch]

Path tracing is too powerful for anything besides xx80 quality cards from gen 4 or gen 5 and too unoptimized on gen 4 cards to work well

[harsh egret]

ye not rly worth having on

on my 5070ti i get around 80 ish fps i would say with path tracing on but for me thats a bit too low

[brittle finch]

Gen 5 at least has way more optimizations and innovations in ray tracing technology

[brittle finch]

I only get like 40 FPS cus my card is like a third of the price 🙏

The laptop 5050 is good value and no one can tell me otherwise (the reason I specifically mention the laptop version is because it has GDDR7 VRAM instead of GDDR6 like the desktop version)

So the gap in performance between it and the 5060 is a lot smaller

[solar spoke]

tried path tracing with my 7900. Probably better with a 5080 and above because it's like the performance took a hit from Muhammad Ali when I turned it on

[brittle finch]

Makes sense

I can only run at like 30-40 FPS at 1080P Ultra with path tracing and ray reconstruction

😭🙏

If I had enough VRAM to turn on frame generation with all that I could probably get 120 FPS tho

[solar spoke]

I tried it on Geforce now with the Indy game and I just thought it made the game look worse. I think it might be a me thing but path tracing seems a little overrated when the game already looks really good

[brittle finch]

Depends

[solar spoke]

Believe me, i have like 24gb of VRAM on mine and it still isn't great

[harsh egret]

worse in what way? maybe ur just not used to it?

cuz i mean it does look more accurate

[brittle finch]

It makes water look a little better imo and lighting and reflections look a bit nicer, but shadows don’t change much lol

[solar spoke]

I think I'm more used to the sharper definition of shadows? It just makes the edges look a little too soft for me tbh. Maybe it's an uncanny valley thing for me

[brittle finch]

In Dark Ages you can turn on path tracing for the specific parts you want it to be on

Probably not a thing in most games, but Doom is goated asf

[solar spoke]

agreed, I tried some specific parts but the performance hit for even having little segments on was too much for me. Maybe in like five years when Nvidia cards are cheaper and I have a better PSU i'll be able to experience full path tracing lol

[brittle finch]

It looks really good imo and if the baseline for VRAM on the 50 series was a little higher it probably would be usable if you turned on frame gen

• I wouldn’t really say frame generation is bad to use with it as long as you have enough VRAM because DLSS Ray Reconstruction is the most advanced, best looking and best performing version of path tracing and it uses AI

Only problem is that the baseline VRAM usage on the lowest 1080P settings is like 6 GBs 🙏

[solar cairn]

I remember that the delay there is growing a lot, even when reflex is turned on, in games like Doom it’s fatality)

[brittle finch]

So you don’t have enough VRAM to use both on lower end cards

[harsh egret]

what

[brittle finch]

Latency issues are apparently bad with any advanced tech nowadays, but as long as it isn’t above like 40-50 ms it doesn’t matter much

[solar spoke]

tbf frame generation is really handy for smoothenining out games that way. It's just on Dark Ages it seems to be very demanding even on my card. I really only got mine because of the VRAM upgrade. Nvidia's looks really good though from what I've seen on youtube but it's wayyyy outside my price range atm 😭

[harsh egret]

yh but are we talking about framegen or in general

[brittle finch]

FSR is worse for that kind of thing than DLSS by a long shot lol

[solar spoke]

yeah, FSR makes the game look noticeably worse even in quality mode

[brittle finch]

I assume path tracing because that’s what that guy was talking about, but I personally don’t notice a difference with either

[harsh egret]

i dont see a difference in latency with path tracing on either

[brittle finch]

Maybe different games have different issues with it ig

[brittle finch]

I mean the enemy sprites stay the same basically no matter what. So if all you care about is playability, then FSR ain’t bad.

[obsidian shard]

Also depends on CPU

[brittle finch]

I have a decent one I’d say

[solar spoke]

tbf it's great for playing on the go on steam deck so I'm not complaining there. I mainly stick to TAA for desktop

[brittle finch]

The boost speed is 5.2 GHZ on mine

So pretty solid

[brittle finch]

I mean fair since DLSS is Nvidia only rn and FSR and Xess suck ass rn

Xess makes you get LESS frame rate for a worse looking game

[brittle finch]

And RAM too tbh

VRAM only matters for turning frame generation ON, but RAM matters because I’d imagine your RAM not being able to keep up would make it look like shit

[brittle finch]

Just run DLAA fr 💀

Kidding btw DLAA is pretty much pointless

[solar spoke]

agreed, I tried XESS once and was like "why would I use this?" lol

[brittle finch]

But in games like Doom that use an upscaler by default it probably isn’t a bad idea for the purists who don’t like upscaling or frame generation because DLAA is the only real native resolution (but if you don’t have a 2 thousand dollar GPU it’ll make your frame rate die)

[brittle finch]

It’s literally WORSE than not using it

Intel just aren’t good with graphics lol

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-gif-26365040

[brittle finch]

You wanna know who else isn’t good with graphics?

[gusty seal]

intel graphics

[solar spoke]

agreed, I very nearly got an Intel GPU when I was starting out. Think I may have dodged a bullet 😂

[harsh egret]

lmao

[brittle finch]

“My uncle John, he makes his own GPUs. And you know who taught him? MY MOM!”

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

[brittle finch]

The B580 is apparently good value

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/kickflip-co-kickflip-kickflip-collective-skater-skater-boy-gif-8984112684817745319

[brittle finch]

“If you say ‘my mom’, you’re fired.” “MY MOM!” “YOU’RE FIRED!” “Worth it.”

[gusty seal]

yea u can prob run snake

[brittle finch]

If you’re lucky frfr

[brittle finch]

Nono maybe even Great Value

[solar spoke]

Heard the same, they're not bad but I wouldn't get Intel unless they really upped their game and became the Aprilia of the GPU market

[brittle finch]

Fair honestly

Nvidia for tech, AMD for cost efficiency and Intel for…

[brittle finch]

I just realized what your PFP was and it’s kinda fire ngl

[solar spoke]

thank you, nothing beats the KFC/Doomguy combo lol

[brittle finch]

More demons eat the BFG than humans eat KFC

[gusty seal]

beautiful I would like one Big Fat Gizzard please 😄

[solar spoke]

true true, or just one zombie per that milestone lol

[solar spoke]

sorry sir, at Big Fat Gizzard we only sell...

https://tenor.com/view/beak-always-sunny-charlie-bench-gif-26560839

beak!

[brittle finch]

More like peak

[solar spoke]

Peak? More like another word for DOOM!

[brittle finch]

Frrr

Where do I suggest emoji ideas? I need a doom guy nerd emoji

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-iroh-uncle-iroh-its-so-peak-gif-2764984715376821932