the-dark-ages

[obsidian shard]

Jesus never Existed as we know, as well as "god" isnt god

[spare palm]

well if the wolfenstein games and doom games are connected religion is there

[obsidian shard]

IF they are, BUT so far with the concurrent Lore, there is no Standard Religion (Christianity, Judism, Islam)

Wraiths, The Maykrs, Hell Lords/gods

[spare palm]

the main character of wolfenstein is related to the doom slayer

could POSSIBLY be his great great grandfather

[meager vortex]

argent D'nur is not different timezone earth

they are different multiverse

[tidal compass]

A question that just occurred to me is:
Doom 1, 2, and 64 take place before DA. Those games look pretty modern in the timeline to me; e.g. there's the UAC, doomguy has modern gear etc. But then how come everything in DA (which apparently takes place afterwards) looks so medieval? Then we are back to modern times in 2016 and Eternal uwu

[obsidian shard]

PLUS The Current DOOM universe is Different from the Classic DOOM Universe, due to Hell Putting the Slayer/DOOMGUY in a different universe

AKA the DOOM Multiverse

[obsidian shard]

Millennia-Eon Long time skip from when the Slayer was in the Sarcophagus

[meager vortex]

yes he fight demons in the hell and he walking to portal and voila! argent D'nur

[spare palm]

I did not know he went into a different universe

[obsidian shard]

Plus Hebeth is pretty futuristic due to the combination of Maykr and Sentinel technologys

[obsidian shard]

When he went through the portal from Hell after the Events of DOOM 64

Technically the only thing that connects everything (including DOOM3) is Hell

there is only 1 Hell

[meager vortex]

normal people going to fantasy world hit by truck but doom guy going to portal

[random sand]

How big even is hell. We've seen multiple biomes down there like regular hell, the blood swamps, the harbor of souls, this new snowy biome

[obsidian shard]

As far as we know and what codexs have told it is Infinitely Vast! Hell is a dimension which grows through the conquest and absorption of other worlds#

[meager vortex]

hell is closed please do not visit mr. doom slayer by demons

[tidal compass]

That certainly would answer my question. Doom 1 till 64 looks modern cuz it's a different universe. Through the portal to Argent D'Nur, and looks like it's set in more medieval times (or maybe it's futuristic with a medieval spin idk). Gets trapped in sarcophagus then aeons later wakes up in 2016

[dusty marlin]

Can someone help me. It's not letting me glory strike to progress the level. The enemy is stuck in being stunned for some reason and every time I glory strike nothing happens

[remote canopy]

It's a glitch,u have to reload the last checkpoint

[obsidian shard]

ALSO Hell is essentially outside the bounds of the mundane universe, existing as a "lower" reality of sorts.

[remote canopy]

Kinda annoying

[dusty marlin]

Reloading the last checkpoint is restarting the encounter in the pause menu

[remote canopy]

Yes

[dusty marlin]

That didn't work

[meager vortex]

there are some bug in ripatorium chain gunners if normal horde mode with chain gunner there are demons survive ripatorium failed

[dusty marlin]

I'm doing a campaign mission and it won't let me. It happened yesterday as well

[meager vortex]

599/600 demons kill or 597/600 demons kill failed

chain gunners summoned few demons

[obsidian shard]

Ye, Game thinks your in the Ripatorium when your not!

[dusty marlin]

How did that even happen

[meager vortex]

ripatorium1.0

not 2.0 yet

there is bug

do not suprise

ripatorium1.0 2month now

[dusty marlin]

Never had this bug happen until yesterday

At this point my game is unplayable

Since I can't progress

[obsidian shard]

I had the bug before the update, and it disappeared afterthe update

[dusty marlin]

I'm doing a pandemonium playthrough and I can't even finish the level. Should I just wait until they release another update to see if it gets fixed

[obsidian shard]

might be best

[dusty marlin]

Thanks for trying to help guys. I appreciate it very much.

[obsidian shard]

Ya np, its frustrating asf, i ended up starting a new run due to it

[dusty marlin]

Maybe I should redo my run since I wasn't really that far into the playthrough

[dusty marlin]

So I found that only the one save file is bugged

[dusty marlin]

[random sand]

i wonder how much we'll see from it then

[safe cloak]

Hey yall, was wondering if any of you guys were having the same issue

my ripatorium is completly bugged, my weapons are missing upgrades, i cant access any of my launcher class weapons and ive tried every thing i could think of

has anyone else experinced this?

[midnight cedar]

Was it really?

I always thought he was just a self insert

At least in the classics

I don't remembr his name being "space marine"

[uneven dragon]

his job title is space marine

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[uneven dragon]

i think thats a new bug thatll be patched soon

[heady mica]

after like 80 something hours i finally did a 100% run and got all the achievements in one go

🙌

dunno why i felt like i had to do it at 150% speed but christ did it make it more fun

[midnight cedar]

Well yeah

But I’m pretty sure that was never his name

[heady mica]

his name is john space power armor man guy

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[harsh egret]

[keen wadi]

[midnight cedar]

Damn you right

Must’ve been misremembering

[glad hinge]

https://github.com/FlavorfulGecko5/EntityAtlan/releases Modding tools have been updated for the latest game update. Some important QOL features included. See Version History sections for more details

[vagrant path]

https://youtu.be/xpSoCWq9ykY?si=EeOg9odulFWm-O_K

[uneven dragon]

Tldw what did they say I’m about to sleep

[maiden anvil]

Grr. Just finished spire of nerathul and missed both wraiths stones. I don't know how that's even possible

[heady trout]

Wait till they play Eternal

[heady trout]

I am well aware of this, what I'm wondering is if the Hebeth we see in Dark Ages is in Mars, the same Mars we traverse in 2016 and Eternal, then Earth is undeniably nearby,

Argent D'nur is a separate world from Earth that much is obvious, but Earth is still there near Mars in the past

My original question about was "Did the Sentinels just ignore the Argent D'nur like world near Hebeth?"

Not "Are Earth and Argent'dnur one in the same?"

Last time I checked there's no massive spear passing Earth

Oh shit ur right

That is undeniably a Sentinel settlement

That answers my question

[solid nacelle]

Gotta say I think this game plays a bit better now thanks to this particular patch note
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378414770763595933/1428572069419028511/Screenshot_20251015_135800_Chrome.jpg?ex=68f2fcea&is=68f1ab6a&hm=207e77466f747b76bec88b79bec062d8cba838fc3a8dcf3e6022700c4fa202a4&

I was dying a lot because of it before this

[obsidian shard]

Agreed

Gameplay is even smooter now

all that really needs to be tackled is the bugs imo

[marble rivet]

i follow you on twitter

[obsidian shard]

Awesome Sauce, also thank you!

[solid nacelle]

I think the only major issue I have now is the melee buffering, if they get rid of that then it'll be basically perfect

[green estuary]

There are two secret landing locations at the top and bottom of the spire

[maiden anvil]

yeah, I looked it up after.

the dragon flying stuff isn't as bad as I worried it would be but I dont' really enjoy the dragon secrets

finally got the dreadmace, pretty nifty. How do folks tend to compare gauntlets with dreadmace? With the dreadmace, the nice thing seems to be:
a) the one hit is slower but faster than the total gauntlet combo
b) does aoe damage
c) if you keep a charge on reserve most of the time, then a single parry gives you a bonus charge, so you can basically always use it after blocking an enemies green attacks and staggering them.
The gauntlets, main advantage I can see is inflicting shock for when you want to finish them off with weapons after.

not sure how long the riposte cooldown is but it doesn't seem very long

[covert blaze]

I agree that the Dreadmace is better than the Power Gauntlets. The overall damage is more, and you don't have to worry about being hit while doing a Power Gauntlet combo.

Fully upgraded Dreadmace is insane.

[maiden anvil]

I am glad people recommended the gauntlets over the flail to me here though. Once I started using them it definitely helped a lot on tougher enemies

the gauntlet combo seems to do as much damage as a pretty substantial number of SSG/chainshot/impaler/rocket shots

(the 4 hit combo)

[covert blaze]

Agreed, I'm doing a new campaign slot, and that's what I'm doing now. I just use the SSG against armored demons.

[maiden anvil]

SSG is definitely good, but I think for me the implaer and chain shot are probably the top two.

[covert blaze]

SSG, Chain Shot, and BFC for me. Unless Shield Saw counts.

[maiden anvil]

I feel like the shield saw and BFC are kind of their own things. but the shield saw is definitely fun to use

the impaler is pretty crazy too fwiw

the advantage is that almost everything activates its empowered shots, and its very flexible on range

while still doing competitive damage with the SSG, chain shot, and rocket launcher - each of which has more issues around range and activation

and that's before even touching the melee recharge

[covert blaze]

Got, yeah the slowdown Impaler mod is crazy. It gives you all the time you need to get a headshot.

[green estuary]

Yeah it’s unfortunate how little damage the flail does

[maiden anvil]

try the other one

[green estuary]

Salvage does deal a bit more DPS

[maiden anvil]

Is it just a bit? I thought it was a big difference

[green estuary]

But chronospike basically makes it impossible for you to miss

Chronospike headshots deal 12k damage, and salvage headshots deal 11.5-13k damage
That is, unless the extra splash damage from salvage also gets the impaler’s 2x headshot damage multiplier, which I don’t think it does

[maiden anvil]

why 11.5-13?

depending on whether salvage is actually active?

I think the other argument I saw is that chronospike takes a moment to activate so you're actually losing more DPS there

I should try to spend more time with chronospike

[heady mica]

You can get the best of both worlds if you hold shield throw down with empowered spike

[maiden anvil]

I actually wish a lot more of the upgrades have two path. Really almost all of them should be two paths, IMHO. Maybe in a DLC they'll add more.

[green estuary]

True

The slowdown on shield throw is pretty lame though tbh

[half spindle]

Want to play the game so bad, but ripatorium bug denies me my fun.

[supple oracle]

what bug ??

[last zinc]

hey guys I wanna play doom the dark ages really bad is the steam deck 2nd option or a good $800 mid-high end gaming laptop good enough to play it?

@last zinc

[half spindle]

Check in videos

Scroll up a bit and you’ll see mine.

[frail bloom]

Titans dying is small plothole, last wraith is major plothole, nightmare imp of cosmic origin is small plothole, hebeth plothole

Oh and umbral plains either being originally from hell or argent d'nur is also a plothole

[frail bloom]

So they can fix the buffering? I'd like that to happen for melees too

[frail bloom]

Are you complaining that they haven't updated it yet. That's not a bug brother that's intentional.

[maiden anvil]

are there actual numbers for damage available anywhere?

[maiden anvil]

out of curiosity, where did you get these numbers from?

[green estuary]

game files

[maiden anvil]

do you have a full set of values handy, and/or instructions on how to read the game files?

[green estuary]

join the modding server

[maiden anvil]

sure

[green estuary]

it's just called Doom 2016+ Modding

if you go to dark ages tools it should be pretty self explanatory

[maiden anvil]

ah shit so not "Doom Modding" ?

alright found it thanks

[solar spoke]

Hi, anyone else having an issue after the update where shield bashing through the jump rings in Ry'uul doesn't make the little sound effect? I know it's minor but just wondering

[cursive grotto]

I wanna play some dark ages

What levels should i replay on my complete save

[green estuary]

haven't tried it out

[green estuary]

if you're on pc play kaibz randomizer

[cursive grotto]

I am

Sounds like hell though 😭

[green estuary]

if you pick the balanced option it's not so bad

obviously much harder than base campaign, but you at least can't encounter acolytes until siege part 1 lmao

[solid nacelle]

I just went into mission select to see and yes I also have this

[hardy pelican]

Hey guys, do you guys think it’s possible the levels in D64 with green and purple skies written into the lore as the cosmic realm? Obviously the games inspired by 64 being a direct sequel with the shared darker tone, the colorful skies as mentioned and nightmare imps coming back, but I believe it’s possible the colorful levels of 64 could potentially be the Slayers first time visiting the cosmic realm. Something that supports this to me is the pain elementals form in 64, we don’t see them in TDA because they’re ultimately replaced by revenants canon shooting the lost souls as rockets but if they showed up in the DLC resembling the 64 design this could confirm that. I don’t think that the Slayer would be able to make sense of the cosmic realm beyond being another threatening chunk of hell in his mind, but I’ve never seen anyone talk about this theory (maybe it’s common sense and I’m stupid lol) but I wanna hear what others think abt this

[uneven dragon]

whys that

[frail bloom]

He explains it

And offers a way to fix some of them

Or how they could be interpreted

[uneven dragon]

the way to fix them is to ignore eternal

[frail bloom]

Nuh uhhhh you gotta try harder than that

[obsidian shard]

Titans Dying can be easily rounded too that They cant be revived if they have a crucible in them! nightmare imp of cosmic origin can stay, I dont see how thats a plothole ngl...

[uneven dragon]

i guess if hell was allied with the cosmic realm by the time of d64..?

[obsidian shard]

Hebeth can be rounded to that Samuel Thinks he knows everything but actually doesnt

[obsidian shard]

ye,

but the wraith one is a major plothole

[frail bloom]

My theory is simply that they're different kinds of nightmare imps

Bc the theory you proposed wouldn't make sense, why would hell ally up with the cosmic realm without an incentive

Especially cuz there's no knowledge of argent d'nur at this point

[uneven dragon]

yeah i did think that

[uneven dragon]

true true but the imp stalker's design gimmick is kind of that they're the og imp

[frail bloom]

Ye but nightmare imps don't throw purple fireballs

In this game at least

One can argue that the imp stalkers are the og imps

But the nightmare class are a different thing altogether, taking from the more modern imp stalkers

[uneven dragon]

do you mean the one with the green fire?

[frail bloom]

It's an interesting thought

Would line up with how mentally broken doomguy was

Guy was coo coo

[obsidian shard]

The DOOM Comic (which i own) displays his insanity even more

[uneven dragon]

i agree

which makes me not wanna be a 🤓 and go "how would he get to the cosmic realm from hell before theyre allied"

and also makes me not wanna be a mega 🤓 and go "the green fire sky was reused in legacy of rust for regular hell"

because it's a cool idea

[frail bloom]

Hey

I was just saying,

[uneven dragon]

?

[frail bloom]

Oh nvm I read it wrong

Yeah carry on

Mb

[stiff beacon]

Anyone having issues trying to link their bethesda account?

[hardy pelican]

Yes

[deft chasm]

So practically since all Doom games are canon.. then we've yet to meet the 'Ancient Martians'

[uneven dragon]

Yeah it's an interesting idea, I doubt it's true myself cause of Hell not being allied with the Cosmic Realm at the time so idk how Doomguy would get there + Legacy of Rust reusing the green fire sky for regular Hell, but IMO given how flexible Doom lore is I would still say it's an interesting interpretation which would be cool so you should believe it if you like it

[deft chasm]

Cosmic Realm is definitely gonna be in the next game

Doomguy only had a taste of it fs. No doubt he keeps it in the back of his mind still just in case

[hardy pelican]

Doomguy has lost his mind going through warps in 64 taking him to a rainbow of different skies in Hell, none of which really line up with anywhere in the series other than Urdak and the Cosmic Realm, in my mind it’s hard to discredit that connection because there’s potentially things from both of those places in 64 (colorful skies, Unmaker, the pain elemental being a unique variant to that game), and to me the how isn’t that important when Doomguy is the only man in his universe to find damn near every abstract manmade gateway between planets and dimensions without putting thought into the consequences

[uneven dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642730879852085281/1428889890598158457/Legacy_of_rust_doom_wiki_screen_shot_6.png?ex=68f424e9&is=68f2d369&hm=a26e76f5dce2cb585bc299a2ca554bac97aaf9f32448c446f0f0c29c2129a968&

[hardy pelican]

Ya but is LoR canon? 64 Lost Levels is canon to Eternal, by extension making 64 canon but Idk anything about LoR other than it came out with Doom+2

[uneven dragon]

idk up to interpretation 🤷‍♀️

[hardy pelican]

Right

[uneven dragon]

i personally think it's canon between 2 and 64 because of it featuring things from Eternal and the fact it bothered to explain why the demons in it weren't seen before or since

🤷‍♀️ idk the green fire being the cosmic realm would be cool but for now we just know those levels in D64 are meant to be hell, but hugo might recontextualise it in future. i rly ur idea of it being the cosmic realm tho

[gilded summit]

I think it is cannon, it’s pretty hinted and pretty much confirmed in Eternal so. If it acts like a duck and looks like a duck, good chance, it’s a duck.

[neon perch]

So the hi-tech sci-fi installations in this game imply the UAC stole/appropriated Sentinel technology several milennia later right?

[uneven dragon]

yea probably given they did similar in D3

[neon perch]

Yeah the first thing that popped into mind when I saw lot of the environments in this game was 'oh yeah the UAC ripped these dudes off'.

Just like Doom 3.

That's so cool.

[uneven dragon]

sentinels are very clearly based on the ancient martians of doom 3 there's tons of similarities between them throughout nudoom

[neon perch]

Retroactively explains why Doomguy is so casual about using terminals and such in 2016. He knows the tech firsthand.

[dark thunder]

belly of the beast intro is some fucking bullshit the fucking summoner is bullshit

[remote canopy]

I recommend going anti clockwise throughout the arena

[dark thunder]

it was some actual bullshit i just rushed her with ssg and rocket launcher and she died way WAY faster than any other time some bullshit

[remote canopy]

Kill the spider leader first,then the mancubus leader,DO NOT stay in the middle after that,run to the edges

[dark thunder]

its ok cause thats the skill check

[remote canopy]

I'm 100% sure a dreadmace and a ssg instantly puts her into glory kill

Dreadmace+empowered shield dash+any hard hitting weapon

[dark thunder]

u have to go for her instead of defending urself from the baron cause her bullshit attacks that follow you

I swear that summoner leader got buffed or something i swear it wasn't that strong and the attacks weren't as frequent as before

[remote canopy]

Nah i recommend going for the baron,run to the edges of the map so her attacks don't hit you

[remote canopy]

Im 100% sure revenant leader got nerfed or something and the acolyte got buffed

[dark thunder]

that explains it lol

[remote canopy]

@dark thunder try the secret encounter in belly of the beast

3 empowered barons,2 empowered komodos,1 leader cyberdemon and 1 leader mancubus

[dark thunder]

lol yeah fuck that, thats not even possible

[obsidian shard]

Erm Actually it is possible

[dark thunder]

i fucking hate how i cant strafe left and right while running

give me the hardest arena fight rn

for ripatorium need to prove im good im on a rtx 2060 so regular maps are hard but arena runs flawless at 60

[maiden anvil]

Is gatherer on the ravager partly bugged?

Sorry, I mean the supplier upgrade

I run out of ammo quite a bit on it, and I look at the progress on Gatherer which is the mastery achievement. I cleared a whole encounter with the Ravager and it went from 14 to 18

Hmm yeah, I just gunned down a mancubus with it... No ammo. Didn't get health either

[green estuary]

Well, it only drops health/ammo when you’re at max fire rate, not once you reach a certain threshold
So if you have the slow burn upgrade it takes a significantly longer charge time until enemies start dropping resources since the max fire rate is significantly higher
Also since the health and ammo are controlled by lootdrop, they’re affected by resource sliders, so farming mastery for the ravager is more tedious on lower resources

[maiden anvil]

Hmm got it, I don't think I realized it's only at max fire rate

[green estuary]

Basically it only starts dropping stuff once the bar under the crosshairs fills up completely

[maiden anvil]

Yeah description doesn't say that. Ah well. Will give it a go again

I have to say I'm finding I jive less with the automatic weapons in this game. Single shot weapons seem to just fit the flow of shooting in between shield actions so much better

[green estuary]

The thing about automatic weapons is that they almost always have higher sustained DPS than the single shot weapons (impaler notwithstanding)

Except unfortunately the ravager’s been neutered so oh well

[maiden anvil]

Oh, was it nerfed really badly? I saw something implying it was kind of a joke

[green estuary]

It deals something like 35 percent damage against ahzrak lmao

[maiden anvil]

Like in the other direction. That you could just hold down fire and regain health and ammo and not even bother dodging

[green estuary]

Total bullshit

[maiden anvil]

They nerfed it against one specific boss?

[green estuary]

Against all bosses, and komodos

Basically the slow burn upgrade was really good if you didn’t have to move around much since it just shreds
So instead of rebalancing it, they just nerfed the whole gun, so now even the lower fire rate upgrade is impacted

[maiden anvil]

That's rough. I wonder if it was before or after that detailed testing video I saw. It's about 4 months old

[green estuary]

Total bullshit

And the funniest thing is that the movement penalty is actually really painful against Komodos, because you have to dodge their fireball spam

[maiden anvil]

Tbh I wasn't really thrilled with the Ravager even though a lot of people talk it up

[green estuary]

It’s very good against most enemies

[maiden anvil]

https://youtu.be/u8TIGr9Nyo4?si=EzHrIQ3DXSNSjNyw

[green estuary]

Pfffft

[maiden anvil]

This is the video I saw. It's pretty good, he tests everything

[green estuary]

I’m sure he does
But balancing 4 months ago means nothing now

[maiden anvil]

I didn't realize they changed things so much

Usually they don't bother with that much balancing in single player games

[green estuary]

After update 2 the changes were insane
But thankfully they toned them down recently especially with the SSG

That nerf was absolutely tragic

[maiden anvil]

SSG has seemed pretty good

[green estuary]

Yeah it’s very strong
But for about a month there it was both buggy and weak

It lost a bunch of armor damage and also wasn’t as effective against quite a few heavy demons
And worst of all, you couldn’t interrupt the reload animation to parry

[maiden anvil]

Accelerator has also been performing really well. That video was the main reason I gave it another chance as the weapons feels off

[green estuary]

Accelerator has the highest single target DPS in the game, funnily enough
Dinky little plasma submachine gun

Certainly an upgrade from eternal’s plasma rifle

[maiden anvil]

Yeah. Did any weapons get big buffs in update 2?

[green estuary]

Nah, mostly just nerfs
Except the impaler, kind of
Essentially the body shot damage was toned down but the headshot multiplier was increased, so the max damage per shot was actually increased slightly iirc

Although it used to drop a crap ton of dreadmace ammo with its third upgrade and that was patched to not be OP

It’s still the best gun in the game so oh well

Actually deals increased damage to bosses for some reason

[maiden anvil]

So the combat shotgun, grenade launcher, and the ravager alternate (forgot the name) are still probably the underperformers?

[tame shuttle]

I just got back to playing doom dark ages after taking a break for a long time and I’m stuck on a commander incubus because the last part of the shield will not go away after I kill all the other enemies. Is there something that I forgot since it’s been a minute since I last played on how to destroy . The last little bit of shield.

[green estuary]

Pretty much, though out of those three the pulverizer is probably the most useful
The csg drops pretty low armor for the low damage and high ammo usage, but the pulverizer’s speed boost is actually pretty useful

[tame shuttle]

Can somebody help?

[green estuary]

The grenade launcher is just completely outclassed by the rocket launcher and/or the shredder

[green estuary]

You don’t happen to see the ripatorium menu when you open the map, do you?

Because if not, then you’re probably just missing an enemy or two

Fodder also counts towards the shield count

[tame shuttle]

The only thing left in the entire arena are the ones that keep responding

[maiden anvil]

And the cycler - only being able to build charge by killing seems pretty annoying

[obsidian shard]

its peam

[deft chasm]

Doom lore on paper actually seems convoluted

However because of how time and space work. The timeline has and goes anywhere

[frank oriole]

is it weird that I’m basically only using cycler and my weapon combos stem more from melee and shield dashing?

[uneven dragon]

rocket launcher is legit just "kill cyberdemons button"

[spare panther]

Rocket launcher does so much high consistent damage with the blood ritual upgrade its actually busted as fuck

[dark thunder]

the flail was making me rage more

[gusty seal]

ive been saying and loving it since day one

[solid beacon]

Alyx vance is actually my mother.

[alpine pilot]

Vlyx Aance

Where doom

[vagrant path]

Almost there

almost to the end of this hellish pandemonium run

had to take damage to demons up to 100

then back to 75

azhrak enhanced has to be the most intense fight on this difficulty

[solid beacon]

My parents actually broke up
Doomguy x alyx vance
Are both my parents

My Perspective

[alpine pilot]

time mr slayer, is it really that time again

[solid beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[neon perch]

Anyone notice switching modes on the combat shotgun breaks it?

The model gets fucked up.

[neon perch]

Oh that's fucking hilarious. So real time path tracing tanks your FPS down to 25% your avg performance for basically no discernible difference in lighting rendering, and the muzzleflash from your gunfire STILL doesn't light up the environment like 2016 did.

The fuck outta here.

[covert shadow]

that's technologia in 2025

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-poster-gif-5764922097783755967

[midnight cedar]

You mean when it kind of merges with the ssg?

That’s pretty rare but it happened once or twice

[neon perch]

No the little bits and greebles on the model that change when you select different upgrades.

The heatshield barrel is swapped out for the normal one, the muzzleflash is buggy, etc.

[midnight cedar]

And you’re experiencing this pretty frequently?

[neon perch]

Well yeah if I change the perks the model farts out and does weird stuff of that sort.

Purely visual but it's annoying.

[muted zinc]

hi

I want a friend

[muted zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-goose-peace-was-never-any-option-gif-16563148593469228887

[covert shadow]

K

[muted zinc]

jajaj

[sweet locust]

I will be a friend if you want

[muted zinc]

yes

sorry for my inglish I speak spanish

[sweet locust]

Fair

[covert shadow]

Same but french

[muted zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-happy-birthday-happy-birthday-to-you-gif-14641296808833921829

the new doom is

is epic

[wintry forge]

Indeed

[covert shadow]

Same

[stone comet]

True

[obsidian shard]

Howdy

[alpine pilot]

Someone say the line

[red peak]

Its doomin' time?

[alpine pilot]

Close enough

[red peak]

Lmao

[heady trout]

In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood. He chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace. And with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. And those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... The Doom Slayer.

[red peak]

Ah, that line lol

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-gif-1856426728697571896

[alpine pilot]

That's not the line

[heady trout]

Tempered by the fires of Hell, his iron will remained steadfast through the passage that preys upon the weak. For he alone was the Hell Walker, the Unchained Predator, who sought retribution in all quarters, dark and light, fire and ice, in the beginning and the end, and he hunted the slaves of Doom with barbarous cruelty; for he passed through the divide as none but demon had before.

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832527551154094150/1428513543640186900/lv_0_202510161840481.gif

[red peak]

Lets goooo, the gif is getting used

[obsidian shard]

[sweet locust]

Gonna start using this

[obsidian shard]

All about a Community Effort!
Shotgunless's Art
My Edit (Text and Photshop)
and YOU Turned it into a GIF

[obsidian shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971218217852862544/1429128803854061618/Absolute_Hugo_Martin.png?ex=68f5036a&is=68f3b1ea&hm=ed5950c43caf19e4408f7e41d7929e0004a558cb19d51586594d04f133e6ab3c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=600&height=514

[red peak]

Yeahh

[frail bloom]

Abzolute ugo

[obsidian shard]

And its all peak, its Like the Absolute Hugo and Absolute Josh Images!

Samir and Hato thought of the Idea
Hato and I asked on Stream for them to do the Pose
Horde MADE the Images to what they are
And I Shared them on my Twitter and gave credit where do (as I'm doing now)

[heady trout]

How it feels to die bc Marauders shield got constantly activated by mecha zombie projectile

[uncut needle]

dumb question
is the sensitivity setting the same between eternal and dark ages?

[red peak]

Oh wow, nice lol

[half spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1429138170666291361/JOSHCINEMA.png?ex=68f50c23&is=68f3baa3&hm=1f200d2c059a4da630831ab9fb98c0c76d413d53b5e6184de3bae0c54ac8ad3c&

[cursive grotto]

Okay

Finally gave the grenade launcher a try today and got the mastery

Honestly

Not nearly as bad as I thought

It's SUPER FUN to use that's for sure

Viability wise I still think the shredder outclasses it

But i played a few levels today and pulled out the grenade launcher occasionally in the name of joy and fun

Nothing beats shield saw stunning a heavy surrounded with enemies and spamming cluster grenades

[frail bloom]

Would be cool if you shot out a grenade in the air and shooting it does an aoe thing

Like a dyi remote det

[cursive grotto]

I think it's firmly up there with all of the rest of the weapons now in the "fun and totally dependable" category

Now the only thing I have left to try is heavenly swarm

[cursive grotto]

I just think the grenades need a bigger aoe

And the clusters

I have no idea why the aoe is smaller than the flail or blood sacrifice rocket

Buff the explosion radius a bit and the grenade launcher becomes goated

[heady mica]

grenade launcher is just goated anyways

[cursive grotto]

I think it's just a taad small aoe buff away from being goated

But it sits in the goat potential category

[heady mica]

once you realize the exact arc of the 'nades then you can hide behind stuff and kill demons without exposing yourself

or you could do what i do and just point blank a cyberdemon with it

[cursive grotto]

I've known that for a while but it just seems like a boring way to play this super chaotic and aggressive game

Especially since my main playstyle is hyperaggro

I use the grenade launcher as a chaotic nuke

Lock down a heavy with shield saw, start blasting it with grenades and watch the clusters that rain down clear out literally everything in the radius

[heady mica]

This game has arguably some of the coolest guns in the franchise

[cursive grotto]

Although I will admit that it sounds funny to occasionally bully cyberdemons from a high up cliff

While raining down grenades

[heady mica]

I usually hate grenade launchers and stuff like that but they just made it so much fun

[cursive grotto]

I don't think that's even arguable

And honestly everyone can hate me for this

But I've said it before and I'll say it again

The BFC is cooler than the BFG

[frail bloom]

Calamity blade is cooler

[cursive grotto]

The only thing it's missing is a golden skin

Maybe as a dlc reward like how the golden bfg was a tag2 reward

Please Hugo?

[cursive grotto]

Or sorry excuse me, a conqueror skin

[naive wigeon]

sure is

it just has more beef to it

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[heady mica]

Hater

[green estuary]

Nah
It’s just outclassed

It’s not even that bad per se but it doesn’t do even one thing better than another alternative

[heady mica]

I think the rocket launcher is ass

[green estuary]

Objectively speaking, it’s really good

[cursive grotto]

Doesn't a parry charged rocket do the most damage in the game out of any gun

Excluding bfc and dreadmace

[green estuary]

Yes

Well, tied with a point blank ssg shot, but it also has big splash damage

[cursive grotto]

Rocket launcher is easily one of my favorite guns

I honestly don't dislike any weapon in this game though

[green estuary]

blood sacrifice is the better upgrade though, imo

[cursive grotto]

I think they're all good and fun

[green estuary]

obviously situational though

[heady mica]

I play better with the GL than the rocket launcher, I like rolling the 'nades

[cursive grotto]

I prefer using pincushion, pulverizer and grenade for CC and rocket for heavy damage so I always use cooked

[green estuary]

Problem is that the grenade launcher plays into direct hits for all the upgrade benefits
But direct hits don’t get you anything more effective than either the rocket launcher or the shredder

[cursive grotto]

Parry charged rocket is too good to pass up for me

[green estuary]

Blood sacrifice heals you significantly more than even cooked rockets
Hence why I rank it so highly

[cursive grotto]

Especially against vagaries or if there's an armored mancubus you can farm parry rockets from

[cursive grotto]

I'll admit that I'm a dirty sinner and honestly don't use cannibalism that often

[green estuary]

But yeah in an arena with a bunch of parryable projectiles, cooked is a no brainer

[heady mica]

THAT is probably why I use the GL so much, the Mancubus

[cursive grotto]

Only if I get low and about to throw hands with a cyberdemon

[balmy parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/false-wrong-fake-incorrect-untrue-gif-23252753

[heady mica]

I shoot them over the shield and then blow his head off after parrying his attacks

[heady mica]

Hater

[cursive grotto]

Y'all hating on the grenade launcher fr

It's not amazing cc since pincushion and blood sacrifice out class it but it's the most fun for me easily

[green estuary]

Can’t you just shoot regular guns to headshot him over his projectiles?
Shredder, impaler, cycler, etc
The wave doesn’t block your line of sight to his head hitbox

[cursive grotto]

And it's not even bad it's still totally dependable

[heady mica]

I want to blow him up

[cursive grotto]

Just worse than the other guns in the cc category

[green estuary]

I’m not hating on it
It isn’t even bad, like I said it’s just outclassed

[cursive grotto]

Yeah exactly

[heady mica]

GL isn't meta but it's aura

[cursive grotto]

But like I said it's the most fun because cluster bomb spam go brr

[heady mica]

I'm notorious for not using meta and purely playing to aura farm

[cursive grotto]

Lock down a heavy with shield saw and spam so many clusters you pollute hell

[green estuary]

The flail is the ultimate aura farming tool lmao

[cursive grotto]

On god

[heady mica]

Kicking an explosive barrel over to a mancubus and then blowing him up with it

[cursive grotto]

Flail autoturret is my favorite build in the game

Hands down

[green estuary]

Never seen a weapon look so cool but suck so much ass oml

[cursive grotto]

Flail ain't bad

[heady mica]

I was sleeping on autoturret until my second run, now I only want to use it

[cursive grotto]

Sure it does wet noodle damage but armor restacking constantly is goated

And you can still use it for falters in combos so it works out for me

[heady mica]

that and it does great damage to armored targets

[green estuary]

Nah, its damage is ass
And 24 armor shards from a three hit combo on a heavy demon is equally ass

[cursive grotto]

I know the damage is ass and you don't particularly get alot of armor either but the fact that it's still an okay amount you can get super often due to how many melee hits you can spam in arenas is what makes it good for me

And it instantly breaks armor too

[green estuary]

Thats not even half of a single enemy attack’s damage that you’ve recovered on nightmare and above

[cursive grotto]

And you can hit a flail against a fodder crowd and get a big fat armor pool

[heady mica]

i knew the flail wasnt the best on my ultra nightmare run but used it on my regular nightmare run because it was cool

[green estuary]

Big fat armor pool, meaning like 40 ticks

[cursive grotto]

Hey that's 2 big armor pickups

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-meme-aew-mjf-mjf-meme-mid-gif-11983703810991326806

[cursive grotto]

You really can't underestimate how important armor and health is in this game cause your options for restacking are so much more limited

[green estuary]

Ground fissure and to a lesser extent CSG are better armor generators

[heady mica]

CSG is so fucking badass looking

[green estuary]

Because ground fissure actually deals both good damage and falters guaranteed

[cursive grotto]

You got like, exploding shield guys, fissure, combat shotgun and flail

Whereas in eternal flame belch made you almost always have high armor

And enemies didn't hit nearly as hard

Here any bit of armor you can get is valuable

I literally run around for any armor pickups after a fight if I'm low

I'd never do that in eternal

[cursive grotto]

And ssg mastery

[green estuary]

Dark ages is at least in the middle of the nonexistent armor management of 2016 and the beyond busted armor restacking in eternal
But it could certainly stand to allow the player to generate a bit more

[cursive grotto]

Was there even any way to regen armor in 2016 outside of pickups

[frail bloom]

I feel like rune switching would fix this a lil since it would be possible to switch in and out of ground fissure

[green estuary]

Siphon grenade + equipment power, also the armored offensive rune

[frail bloom]

But the flail also needs to be buffed

[green estuary]

That was literally it lol

[green estuary]

Ground fissure like I said is actually the best option for armor generation
Not because it’s actually good at generating armor, but because it’s good in other areas in addition

[heady mica]

do people even use the accelerator

[green estuary]

But yeah, rune switching is neato

[frail bloom]

And being able to switch in and out without a menu makes it more accessible

[cursive grotto]

The flail is good in other areas too

[green estuary]

Yeah
Highest DPS in the game

[cursive grotto]

It can instabreak armor and can still be used for falters against superheavies in combos

[green estuary]

Don’t tell me it breaks armor
Cuz the ssg and the chainshot do it 95% as well while being excellent weapons in their own right

[cursive grotto]

Sure but I just like one shotting armor instead of 1 shot + shield throwing

[frail bloom]

I actually gotta ask Hugo if melee/rune swap is a dlc thing or it applies to the campaign and all other modes

[cursive grotto]

It contributes to my hyperaggro playstyle

[frail bloom]

Bc it would kinda suck if it was paywalled

[heady mica]

wym melee/rune sawp, you mean like mid-game?

[cursive grotto]

I will admit that the flail does like 0 damage sure but it's not meant to be a damaging melee

But it does need a small damage buff for sure

[green estuary]

I thought the whole point of an aggressive playstyle was to kill enemies quickly at the cost of decreasing your surviveability

[frail bloom]

Uh like switching between melee and runes freely without a menu

[cursive grotto]

Flail autoturret is still the build I find the most success with

[heady mica]

Ohhhh

[cursive grotto]

For me aggressive playstyle just means being active and in enemies' faces instead of playing safe at range

Not necessarily being risky or decreasing survivability per se

[green estuary]

Ah
Well in that case I feel like most people who play the game do this

Because lobbing nades at enemies from 50 yards back is boring as hell

[cursive grotto]

I see too many people that just sit back and spam parry rockets or cycler

[frail bloom]

It def is

[cursive grotto]

Or refuse to fight any cyberdemon up close

[frail bloom]

But I gotta do it sometimes

[green estuary]

Their loss tbh

[heady mica]

i use cycler to apply shock and then i switch to shredder or something with more style

[frail bloom]

Like a cyberdemon and arachnotron c'mon now

[green estuary]

Although cycler is based as hell

[heady mica]

i dont play for meta, i play to do badass shit

[cursive grotto]

I mainly use cycler at the start of a fight to chain shock onto enemies

[green estuary]

I don’t think 90% of the playerbase cares about meta lmao

[cursive grotto]

I have no idea how effective it's actual dps is

[frail bloom]

Ye these two on max sliders suck

[heady mica]

I hear a lot about "meta this meta that" though

[green estuary]

Of course
Doesn’t mean that many people actually stick to only the meta choices, people just like talking about it

[red peak]

Ive noticed that the Cycler is really good for bosses now that the Ravager was nerfed

[green estuary]

Other than the aim assist incarnate gun I lowk think the cycler is indeed the best boss killer

[red peak]

Maybe theres a better one, but idk

[green estuary]

Because your melee strikes now deal 20% extra damage, which is huge

[cursive grotto]

I just use what's fun for me while also finding the best success

Which for me is flail autoturret

[green estuary]

Autoturret isn’t bad at all

[cursive grotto]

Don't melees do pitiful damage against bosses though

I remember my punches doing nothing to ahzrak

And kreed

[cursive grotto]

Sure but people would argue fissure or heaven splitter are better, which they could be sure

[green estuary]

Uhhh
Can’t remember exactly if bosses have damage mitigation against melee
But they also have 300k+ health pools so that’s part of it lmao

[covert blaze]

You should parry the Hell Surges.

[cursive grotto]

And I know for a fact flail is alot of people's least favorite melee

[covert blaze]

BFC

[heady mica]

least powerful most iconic

[cursive grotto]

But I still find the most fun and success with that combo

[heady mica]

....aside from literally PUNCHING people to death

[covert blaze]

Agreed, Dreadmace is better.

[green estuary]

BFC does jack diddly to bosses lol

[cursive grotto]

Okay fellas

Rate my top 3 favorite builds

[covert blaze]

That's why I try not to use it. Unless it's a Komodo anything. I hate those things.

[cursive grotto]

Fissure gauntlet pulverizer/ssg
Flail autoturret ravager/ssg
Dreadmace heaven splitter pulverizer/rocket launcher

[covert blaze]

No.

[green estuary]

My bigger question is why you only primarily use 2 weapons

At a time I mean

Also the dreadmace + heaven splitter combo is damn near game breaking

[cursive grotto]

I use alot of weapons I just listed the 2 I prefer using the most but it's a marginal difference

Maybe like 10% more often than other guns

I use pretty much every gun

[green estuary]

Fair

[heady mica]

I do it cuz it's easier to hit Q than open the wheel or hit a number key (keep in mind i can only feel half of my hand so hitting keys in the heat of battle is a lot more difficult for me)

[cursive grotto]

Heaven splitter with gigawatt + dreadmace with riposte

💀

[red peak]

Lets gooo, i was right for once lol

[green estuary]

Heaven splitter needs a nerf tbh (don’t sue me please)

[cursive grotto]

It does

[green estuary]

The stun duration is comically long

[cursive grotto]

It literally stuns half the arena including superheavies

And for a long ass while too

How has it not been nerfed yet

[green estuary]

It’s also not even fun either
Why tf would I want to just shoot the demons while they’re frozen in place

Shit’s boring as hell

[cursive grotto]

Shooting frozen demons isn't fun sure

But you know what is

[green estuary]

Honestly if they’d really decrease the stun duration but jack up the shock duration that’d be better

[cursive grotto]

Nuking the whole arena with 2 dreadmaces

[green estuary]

Lol

Thankfully the mace did get a nerf

[cursive grotto]

Riposte is such a busted upgrade idk why people don't talk about it

[green estuary]

You literally could obliterate a group of heavies with a single swing before

[cursive grotto]

2 dreadmace hits + 2 shots from anything kills like everything in the game

Riposte is literally a mini bfc considering it's aoe too

[green estuary]

Pretty much yeah
But riposte requires you to basically not use your melee at all until you reach the enemy you want to take out

Because the time window is relatively short

[cursive grotto]

Sure but we kinda need that

[green estuary]

Of course

[cursive grotto]

Literally the only thing stopping it from breaking the game lmao

[green estuary]

If the charge was maintained like the gauntlets it’d be game breaking, exactly

[cursive grotto]

Also

I'm pretty sure it means riposte is active if the tiny shard icon thing is glowing yellow on the melee right

Active as in usable

[green estuary]

Yes

[cursive grotto]

Alright awesome

I figured something out myself for once yay

Katsu what's your favorite build btw

[green estuary]

Idk if you could really call it a build
But flail, daggers, and a mix of SSG/shredder/rocket launcher along with some cycler and ravager usage

Although I also made a mod that buffs the flail so there’s that

[cursive grotto]

Bro been shitting on the flail for the last 30 minutes and never said he uses it

Sob

[green estuary]

I usually preface my criticism of the flail with “this is coming from a guy who uses the flail exclusively”

But even before I made the mod it was all I used lmao

[cursive grotto]

You made the flail buff mod??

[green estuary]

Yep that’s me

Along with a few other ones

[frail bloom]

Ice bomb be like:

[cursive grotto]

In what ways did you buff it

Mainly just a damage buff I assume

[green estuary]

total damage per swing is 5k instead of 2100
combo damage is still significantly worse than the gauntlet/mace, but there's no scaling on consecutive swings, so you're still incentivized to go for hits here and there to restack instead of using it to burst down superheavies

also I got a mod that increases csg/ground fissure/flail armor drops which can pair rather nicely with it

[cursive grotto]

I see

Is the armor drop buff noticeable enough lol

[green estuary]

extremely

even using the 50% amor drop increase as opposed to the full-on 2x armor, it's way better

[cursive grotto]

Still probably not close to eternal restacking right

That game's restacking is just broken

[green estuary]

no it's not anywhere near eternal's lol

[frail bloom]

Doesn't have to be

Pick ups are more useful now as intended

[green estuary]

better that it's not

[cerulean pagoda]

hi

[green estuary]

hello there

[remote mural]

I beat DOOM TDA on ultra violence today!

[covert blaze]

Nice.

[cerulean pagoda]

nice

[frail bloom]

Alr max slider time

[heady trout]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971218217852862544/1429128803854061618/Absolute_Hugo_Martin.png?ex=68f5036a&is=68f3b1ea&hm=ed5950c43caf19e4408f7e41d7929e0004a558cb19d51586594d04f133e6ab3c&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=600&height=514&

[frail bloom]

Oh yeah didn't Hugo say he wanted to fix projectiles phasing through enemies?

That's a HUGE thing

[solid nacelle]

He did mention that at some point

[strong moth]

The projectiles through enemies is a really annoying way to take damage on a UN or Pan run

[frail bloom]

And on this run

Ugh why are the checkpoints so bad

Put me back before the arena starts not like a combat encounter away

[harsh egret]

Hugo better also make those revenant parryable projectiles randomized

i kinda get the feeling that the next game is gonna be a lot more metroidvania style, i feel like they use dlc for their games as sort of a testing ground before their next games

[brittle finch]

First boss only took me like 3 attempts

Game too easy frrr

[frail bloom]

Switch to max sliders

I had to stop cuz one combat arena is just too annoying

Gotta recollect myself

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[frail bloom]

What does that mean btw

Like what abt the metroid games

[harsh egret]

i have zero clue about anything metroid, just know what metroidvania means

[mystic barn]

Totally unrelated to the conversation, but I’ve been thinking about the DLC music. If we go with the idea that there’s 8 levels, then that should mean 1 ambience and 1 combat track per level, totalling 16 tracks. If we are also hunting down the Order of the Six/Hell’s High Council, that’s possibly 2 combat tracks per boss (based on the number of tracks per boss in The Dark Ages), meaning an additional 12 tracks, bringing the number to 28 songs. That’s also not considering the opening and closing themes, so it’s very possible that there’s going to be 30 songs for the DLC OST

[frail bloom]

There could be two parters

Cuz 30 songs is a ridiiiiiculous amt of music to compose

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[harsh egret]

lmao i assume u wouldnt like that hah

[frail bloom]

Plus idk if they can code 6 bosses

[dark thunder]

it should be titled doom the dark ages order of the six or something

[frail bloom]

Like 6 unique bosses???

That's sooooo much work

The gladiator took id software like a year no?

[harsh egret]

a boss takes fk ton of time

many months

[frail bloom]

Ye so 6 in a dlc sounds impossible

[dark thunder]

maybe it wont be about the high council then could be something completely different maybe something with the slayer and his past since he's broken free

[harsh egret]

6 bosses in one dlc lmao no thats not happening

[dark thunder]

Or it is about the high council and the leader of it is the boss

[green estuary]

metroidvania elements in a doom game is a hell nah

[solar cairn]

DLC teaser soon?

[harsh egret]

no, never

[frail bloom]

I'd keep the 8 levels, but imma assume there might be some two parters, at least two. So now 6 combat songs and 6 ambient, making 12 total so far. Now we add a more likely 2 bosses, adding two more tracks, making it 14. Adding opening and closing themes, now it's 16

[dark thunder]

im tellin yall its gonna be the doom hook

[frail bloom]

Sounds much more likely imo

[harsh egret]

well they gotta switch it up somehow and it seems to me like that is one way to do it especially if they are sorta testing the waters with the dlc

[frail bloom]

So do you think the dlc is gonna be hurt by this, what are metroid vania elements

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/google-gif-google-gif-for-messages-google-gif-gif-1045234766527568383

[frail bloom]

No you gotta tell me

[half spindle]

I want to play this damn game, but rippatorium bug persists.

[harsh egret]

nah i suck at explaining

[frail bloom]

I don't trust google anymore

Ai tells me stupid stuff sometimes

Where's katsu

He had a visceral reaction

[harsh egret]

ok ill google it for u and send u what it says cuz it is correct

[frail bloom]

Clearly he knows

[harsh egret]

lazybones

A Metroidvania is a video game genre characterized by a large, interconnected world where progress is gated by the player's abilities. The term is a portmanteau of the series Metroid and Castlevania, as these games established the core gameplay loop. Players start with basic abilities but find new powers, weapons, or items that grant access to previously unreachable areas, encouraging exploration and backtracking.

[dark thunder]

or maybe the dlc will end with the fight of that hell priest ancient belias

pretty similar to belial which is another name for the devil i think

[frail bloom]

So is this for more mission select stuff, cuz it sounds kinda open world

[harsh egret]

also, Hugo mentioned that the tools they will give us will be used for traversal stuff too and thats literally metroidvania lmao

[frail bloom]

Like for a dlc I'm not against it

[harsh egret]

get this ability, go back here and unlock this new area

[frail bloom]

But for a whole game like idk

[harsh egret]

idk they can mesh the classic mission style game with a metroidvania in some way idfk

[dark thunder]

that sounds fire asf

[frail bloom]

Well whatever it is they're testing it

[harsh egret]

or they can switch it up, cause controversy like every doom game and move on

[frail bloom]

So we'll see if we like it or not

[half marlin]

this already was in doom

keycard
secret keys

[frail bloom]

No those don't carry over missions

[half marlin]

hmmm

[frail bloom]

They're not like new mechanics

[harsh egret]

that isnt metroidvania enough

[frail bloom]

They're part of the intended level progression

[harsh egret]

and i doubt hugo puts emphasis on this if its just the same stuff as the base game and the other games

[dark thunder]

probably right about them using the dlc to sneak peak at the next game. I think they originally wanted to have the cosmic realm in tag 2 due to the concept art having the eternal slayer with the more paradise looking cosmic realm

[frail bloom]

I still wanna fight a dragon

When id when

[dark thunder]

if theyre gonna do a medieval trilogy with the slayer's time with the sentinels then in the next game

[frail bloom]

But yeah going back to dlc music

30 tracks sounds like too much

And 6 bosses sounds like too much

[harsh egret]

i expect 2 bosses

[frail bloom]

Same

The same amt as tag

[harsh egret]

or maybe 2 and a half if they do smth like a old one/azhrak combo

[frail bloom]

If you ignore that terrible box

Maligog?????

[harsh egret]

maligog is such a metroidvania boss now that i think about it lmao

[solar cairn]

Azrak’s mother and mistress

[harsh egret]

bruh

[solar cairn]

[frail bloom]

Say wut

That's the first thing you thought lol

Do y'all think the 6 are gonna look like those statues in Hell or are they gonna be updated model wise

Cuz I do not like the fat dude

Looks like an orc

[dark thunder]

why do they even worry about death in hell whats stopping ahzrak from being resurrected

[frail bloom]

Like a mobile game character

[frail bloom]

Maybe demons resurrect into lowly forms when they die

They like reset

[dark thunder]

icon of sin been resurrected tons of times

[harsh egret]

maybe he turns into smth

[frail bloom]

I just hope he looks a bit more unique than the statue

[harsh egret]

i bet he will look cooler when he isnt a statue lmao

[frail bloom]

I don't have a good picture of him

But whenever I see his face he just looks sooo lame to me

https://tenor.com/view/orc-smile-gif-10315643652749609661

His face looks like this

Like ew man

All the others look sooo cool tho

[green estuary]

metroidvanias are essentially 2d platformers with big open worlds

[frail bloom]

Ye no wonder

Nope.

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-kanye-west-dumbass-no-gif-20416798

[maiden anvil]

Been playing around with all the automatic weapons, and gotta say I found them all kind of meh, with the exception of the accelerator. Am I missing something or is this a pretty common take

Not terrible or anything. Just when I use them I can noticeably feel I'm making the game a little harder on myself. Compared to the Accelerator, or one of the big single shot weapons (Impaler/SSG/chain/rocket launcher)

[harsh egret]

shredder and cycler are very strong

[strong moth]

Shredder is about my favorite weapon in the game

Getting its headshot bonus damage plus the Pincushion AoE burst damage is wild. You can really feel it on Superheavies. It’s great vs Ahzrak too

[maiden anvil]

The cyclers gimmick is nice when its going but then when I need to fight something tough and it actually matters it's usually not very impactful

I will try shredder again. Honestly so far pincushion feels like a weaker and slower heatwave

Just with longer range. Which is nice but I'm not usually that far from what I'm shooting

[green estuary]

if you play into the shock effect, cycler has ridiculously good crowd control, and is also excellent against bosses and superheavies because said shock makes them take extra damage from all sources, including melee

also ricochet is possibly the strongest crowd control ability in the game

[maiden anvil]

That's an interesting point about shock and melee, though if you use gauntlet it doesn't matter

[green estuary]

dreadmace

[maiden anvil]

I find cycler even with shock and its buff active still does less DPS than accelerator, though obviously I haven't measured

[green estuary]

there aren't any weapons in the game that can beat a fully charged accelerator when it comes to dps
but cycler + dreadmace is possibly the second bess boss killing combo in the game

but also, if you aren't using the arc lightning falter with the cycler then you're losing some effectiveness

[maiden anvil]

When you say crowd control are you talking about heavy demons or fodder?

[green estuary]

you use the cycler for a little bit against some heavies, and the shock spreads to a couple enemies, then you start using it against the leader or whatever you need to kill
and every single time you need a falter, you just kill a shocked enemy that's next to the leader

works amazing with komodos especially because their fireball spam and lack of reliable parryable attacks means you don't get a lot of melee opportunities against them

[maiden anvil]

The falter is just a normal brief falter isn't it? That seems like a lot of effort for a falter

[green estuary]

it's a hard falter, meaning you can get in a full melee combo

or two dreadmace swings

and you can literally do it as many times as you want as long as there are enemies around

I've literally stunlocked a komodo through his entire health bar like this
granted, I was a little fortunate that the lightning mostly chained to fodder enemies so I could easily kill them, but still

he wasn't able to get a single attack off because I just kept faltering him over and over again

[maiden anvil]

Yeah, enemies being around can be a pretty annoying requirement though. I get what you're saying, it's just the lack of consistency and mental effort to manage it. I will actively try to use it though

[faint jackal]

what’s your guys’ favourite demon to kill?

[frail bloom]

The Vagary

Oooohhhh boi

I feel like a tank killing it

Break all its armor sections

Falter it with its parriables

Glory kill and I see that cool shield saw animation

Peaaaaaaaaak enemy

[frosty roost]

Agaddon Hunter or The Vagary

[faint jackal]

goated answers

[harsh egret]

Komodo

up there as one of my favorite demons in general

[green estuary]

komodos, because they're wretched pieces of shit that deserve to be wiped from the face of the earth

[harsh egret]

lmfao

[green estuary]

their design is really sick but at high damage sliders their fireballs are absolute cancer

[harsh egret]

i can imagine

never went past 300%

now that i think about it i think they still do a lot of dmg even on 300%, just havent played in a few weeks so i dont remember exactly lol

[faint jackal]

i like throwing my shield at those energy shield soldiers :>
it’s so fun watching a group of them being torn to shreds so easily

[hearty edge]

aggadon

and the komodo too yes

i would say chaingunner but i hate them so much i dont feel anything after killing them

[arctic flame]

Heyo my fellow Slayers, have any of you find the combat and encounters with demonic leaders and a bit more difficulties after the past week's update? Also Caco's hell surge attack is very unreliable. Sometimes it starts to glow, makes the sound before it's about to launch and 75% of the time you get zapped by the attack and then the sound plays afterwards. Also did they buff the Komodo, made it's area of attack larger and succession attacks faster?

[faint jackal]

gives me more determination to deliver pain to the demons

[harsh egret]

the aoe attack of the komodo was increased a couple updates ago iirc. the caco attack is indeed weird as hell atm

[hearty edge]

they made the aoe attack larger to make it easier to parry ig

faster attacks idk

and i do believe they made some balance changes to the leader encounters

[arctic flame]

Same here, just wondering because I need to be super aggressive with these demons now. Can't give them any opening anymore, Agaddon as well some attacks have been nerfed but those friggin skulls tend to lock on you and there's no escaping it and it depletes your shield in one hit

[hearty edge]

the skulls always were hitscan

but the middle one isnt

[harsh egret]

just gotta get better at positioning urself

[hearty edge]

so try to stay in the middle and dodge that one

[arctic flame]

Definitely faster follow up attacks from Komodo. His 2 hit combo is is now almost directly after each other, like less than 1 second and more like 0,25 - 0.5 seconds

Completed the game last night for the 100th time on nightmare on default sliders except 120 game speed, started a new game this morning, default sliders, 120 game speed and it's a bit more difficult this time around

Anyways, does anyone know if there's any datasheet or something with all demons HP and the damage each demon does? Same with the Slayer's arsenal and melee weapons?

[harsh egret]

im trying out the komodo 2 hit combo and i honestly see no difference

and it hasnt ever been mentioned in any patch notes, only the aoe attack

[green estuary]

I'm kinda casually working on one

[arctic flame]

Mind sharing with me please bro? I want to some research and promise I will keep it to myself.

[green estuary]

I don't care if you don't keep it to yourself lmao don't worry 😂

I dmed you with what I have so far

[red peak]

I figured that wouldve already been a thing-

[green estuary]

the spreadsheet for eternal took a while to make

so not really surprised that nobody's done it for tda yet

[red peak]

Oh wait nvm, I thought this was Eternal chat

[green estuary]

yeah the modern doom speedrunning server already has a spreadsheet for eternal's damage values

[arctic flame]

Thanks for Bro now I can understand the enemies weapons better

[green estuary]

I haven't gotten all that much done on it

the only complete portion is just the table with all the enemy HP values

[red peak]

Howd you get that?

[green estuary]

game files in entitydefs

if you join the modding server there's a nice tool there that lets you extract the decls

among many other things

[remote canopy]

How does the cacodemon and acolyte work

[delicate grotto]

Cacodemon has a single parry shot. Will use it at mid-far range, usually right after it spawns in or right after it shoots its purple projectile pattern.

Acolytes create gray copies of itself. It’ll protect itself with a shield until the copy is killed.

[frail bloom]

This checkpoint is so balls

I hate when I reload and the screen is black

And I just die, cuz I can't see

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[frail bloom]

I'm on sentinel command station

Final arena.

Ridiculous

[frail bloom]

I'm goin' to bed

Before I crash out

[cerulean pagoda]

i havent touched my max sliders run yet in a while

been busy with ultrakill and dmc5

[vagrant path]

I FINALLY DID IT, I ACTUALLY FINALLY FUCKING DID IT YES

NIGHTMARE PANDEMONIUM PLAYTHROUGH IS COMPLETE

AT LAST

[obsidian shard]

Hell yeah dude, congrats!

[scarlet oasis]

can you not play this game offline?

[storm peak]

Hello masters

[solid beacon]

I have beat shadow of the beast.

[warm ibex]

are you not able to?

[scarlet oasis]

im opening it from steam and i just get error message to go online

[cursive grotto]

I wanna say denuvo but denuvo games are playable offline

Weird

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[gleaming arrow]

is calling doom guy daddy a crime ?

[frosty roost]

he probably wouldn't like it, or he'd raise his eyebrow at you in confusion (most likely he heard it)

[heady mica]

it should be

[harsh egret]

[remote canopy]

He already has a son,so why not

[obsidian epoch]

Hello everyone. I cant seem to find a weapon that works overall. Shotgun seems good, but actually suck... and other long range weapons are too low damage

Maybe Ravager, and Chainsaw

but both still not very comfortable to use

[red peak]

Every weapon is good but the Pulverizer, you just gotta learn to use them

And wdym chainsaw? You mean the saw sheild? Or the chainshot?

[obsidian epoch]

Chainshot : P

my bad ure right, chainsaw is the shield throw right

[red peak]

Yeah

[covert shadow]

SSG and rocket launcher are good

[obsidian epoch]

SSG as the big shotgun? Yeah but getting close is a health points suicide

[red peak]

You have a sheild for a reason-

[obsidian epoch]

u can either shield or shoot

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-shield-buzzsaw-saw-gif-9442590416015906813

[obsidian epoch]

like with the demon that keep boot-ing and swording you

[red peak]

You do know most demons get one shot or close to it with a sheild bash + ssg combo, right? Other than super heavies ofc

[obsidian epoch]

what difficulty u playing? I dont doubt that working in normal, but from nightmare not so much

maybe the weakest in one shot

[red peak]

Ultra violence

[covert shadow]

my method is to rckt + launch shield + shield dash + ssg

[obsidian epoch]

Seems good, but why launch shield in the middle there?

for the damage?

[covert shadow]

cuz it do damage and give u a moment for breath and dash

[red peak]

It also stuns them a bit

[covert shadow]

exactly

[obsidian epoch]

Oh, that. Yes nice, but stronger demons are immune

Unless u say they still get a little micro-stunned, which i never checked or noticed

I like to shield saw the fatty tho, and then use the shatter on him xD

[vague siren]

Is DLC still happening for dark ages? don't want to seem impatient, want to let the devs cook, but I'm pretty sure eternals DLC came out around the 5-6 month period after launch and we have yet to hear anything.

[obsidian epoch]

which kills everyone near him... too bad the range is way too short

[red peak]

parry

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-demon-cosmic-baron-shield-gif-8802650455525969640

Parry until they stagger, then melee and repeat

[covert shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vTzSR3YmEA0

[red peak]

Plus shoot them between parries

[covert shadow]

this

[obsidian epoch]

Sweet. Yeah that's the way... but u guys have no idea how frustrated i get, when i try to engage him and meanwhile other 992194951293 enemies spawn and shoot at me from behind 💢

[covert shadow]

only vagary komodo or aggadon and other bosses are immune

[obsidian epoch]

not to mention, those strong demons keep spawning helpers (like ravagers)

[red peak]

Then one or two of then out when you get low, enemies drop health

[red peak]

Ravagers?

What are we playing Minecraft?

[covert shadow]

that's what i was writing 😂

[red peak]

Lmao

[wheat sigil]

different pieces of the arsenal got different utility

[obsidian epoch]

I am not good with names 😅 I mean Revenants : P

[covert shadow]

exactly it's doom not cod

[red peak]

Fr, each gun has its own purpose, just find it

[wheat sigil]

both of eternal's dlc were released in a year, but judging from the quality of tag2, i reallyy hope they get more time for tda's dlcs

[hard thistle]

both ancient gods dlcs were made during the pandemic, so hopefully the quality for tda's dlc will be a massive improvement in comparison.

[obsidian epoch]

Chapter20 i come!

wow I killed the first cyberdemon with just shield saw and rocket!! (and meele : p) Hurrah! Thx guys xD

[obsidian shard]

They were also released in a year due to a Legal time Schedule (the told people, the DLC's would come out 1 year after launch) TDA does not have this issue

ALSO to note TDA DLC is basically a Whole new Campaign from how Hugo has been describing it

[wheat sigil]

i know

[frail bloom]

Not exactly true, we've been getting some small info in the streams

Here's all of them that we've compiled

All we know abt DLC so far:

• Will expand mechanics from the base game in both combat and exploration
-Will be meaningful changes and not tacked on
-"from 2016 to Eternal"(to some extent)
-will increase mobility options
-new melee weapon(axe or Halberg)?
• Exploration has good backtracking and is especially required in this dlc(to progress meaningfully)
• There will be a hub(most likely the Kreeds ship)
• The puzzles are really fun

• a tool(mechanic) given will lead to some interesting traversal puzzles, not necessarily skill based like Eternal(but seems to be a huge factor either way based on its emphasis, and that will influence the puzzles and movement options in this dlc)
  -lots of secrets and "optional" content that unlocks over time, not all at once when the campaign is finished
  -some Metroidvania-esque elements
  • There will be new ai that shake things up
  • We will most likely be hunting the high council in dlc
  -dlc will expand the story in ways that people want
• "Will there be cutscenes in dlc", Hugo's response, " It'll be different, but there will still be a story"
  • We have a dlc concept art

(Idc how big it is deal wit it)

[remote canopy]

E

[frail bloom]

See yu get it

[wheat sigil]

guh

sounds like some gud shit, but the amount of exploration and non-cpmvat stuff scares me😭

[remote canopy]

Lowk can u beat the bfc sections without using the bfc

[frail bloom]

What's non-cpmvat

[frail bloom]

Yes

[wheat sigil]

likr non-combat but spelled with a p

because i am bad at english

[remote canopy]

You can ignore them tbh,you can probably go the entire game with only upgrading 2 weapons,1 melee and 1 shield rune

[frail bloom]

Ohhhh you're worried abt too much exploration?

I think Hugo is just not spoiling the combat stuff yet

Plus he called a lot of them optional if you look down a bit on the big post

[wheat sigil]

you can also go the entire game with only the combat shorgun

[green estuary]

well that sounds like a fun time

[wheat sigil]

and more arsenal=more fun

[remote canopy]

For my first un run,i only used the Impaler, accelerator,ground fissure and dreadmace

[wheat sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/why-tho-though-gif-7485441

[frail bloom]

Well that's intended

[remote canopy]

Also got some other slight upgrades like cooked perk for rocket launcher

[frail bloom]

This game doesn't insult you for only choosing one or two guns

[green estuary]

I'm not saying it's not fun as in difficult
I'm saying it's not fun because not using your full arsenal is boring as hell

[frail bloom]

Also who is this

Why is he so chubby

[wheat sigil]

yo moma

[frail bloom]

Bruh

[wheat sigil]

i got no clue

[frail bloom]

I was abt to say you

[wheat sigil]

i am your mother, samir

[remote canopy]

Tbh i did it b4 a lot of nerfs it's probably gonna be harder now

[frail bloom]

Ohhhhh that's gonna suck for you

[remote canopy]

Getting 3 back to back dreadmace shots was so op

[frail bloom]

Get to work buddy

I'm hungry

[wheat sigil]

erm

what is this big ass update

[frail bloom]

Chop chop

What is

Say what

[wheat sigil]

i am downloading something

[frail bloom]

Ok hol on I'll be baxk

[wheat sigil]

and it's taking a while

like not a long while

but a while

[green estuary]

it's update 2.2

they have patch notes online I believe

[frail bloom]

Ohhh

Ye it's a nice update

[obsidian shard]

And New weapon(s) possibly an Axe!

[wintry forge]

It’ll definitely be something melee!

[frail bloom]

Ehhh I'll add new melee but I don't know what it is yet

[wheat sigil]

a bind for each weapon and melee becomes quite a lot lol

[abstract jasper]

hallo spricht hier jemand deutsch?

[heady trout]

Damn Slayer died, I will miss him

Assrak trying so hard to aura farm I'm sick

"I killed the Slayer" ahh

Bro is NOT him

[covert shadow]

Slayer didn't die

[uncut needle]

how git gud
i currently am bad and suck a lot

[heady trout]

But but he's a zombie

[covert shadow]

But not for long, and demons still attack him so no, he isn't dead

Or if he's, hell fear him so bad

[wheat sigil]

basically, play a lot on a difficulty which challenges you but doesn't feel super hard

don't consider myself well versed enough to give more advice than that lol

[wintry forge]

Try out different weapon/mod/rune combinations. Some go better together than others, based on your playstyle

[covert shadow]

like he said but if u want u can train yourself in horde mode (it's morgue but idk in english)

[wheat sigil]

or use all your weapons to draw maximum utility from your arsenal

[wintry forge]

You can, but if you don’t know where to start, and are struggling/ failing, I’d recommend trying different combinations to teach you how to utilize specific tools

[wheat sigil]

better to not get overly reliant on certain things

obviously you should work out some things about guns and their potential interplay though

[wintry forge]

Absolutely

[uncut needle]

im pretty good at eternal but i just cant get the parries down good i think

[covert shadow]

the TDA horde mode

[solid beacon]

I never went to church once.

[abstract jasper]

hi

The first door in mission 2 doesn't open for me

[solid nacelle]

Turn off tutorials and see if you can bypass it that way

[abstract jasper]

it worked thank you very much

[heady trout]

Belly of the Beast was a fantastic experience, didn't die once outside of some attempts at the first arena

(still on Nightmare)

Interestingly there's stuff I like about this game that Eternal lacks and vise versa

It's almost like this game isn't supposed to be like Eternal or something

My most used weapons are the SSG, rocket launcher and ravager (with the occasional grande launcher and impaler)

[obsidian shard]

Nah you must be on something

[heady trout]

Sneaking suspicion...

[frail bloom]

Huh what do you like more

[heady trout]

Probably Eternal? I mean I dedicated so much time to that

But Dark Ages is super fun in it's own way

[frail bloom]

No like what does eternal lack

[heady trout]

Like it isn't a case of "they are close bc of their similarities", but instead of "they are close bc of their differences"

[frail bloom]

Just curious

[wheat sigil]

ammo

[heady trout]

More grounded play mostly, air camping is too powerful, and a Slayer that can actually take punishment and not just have to dodge everything like a crack fueled monkey

[frail bloom]

Yur mum

[frail bloom]

Huh ok

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/cars-2-mother-cars-2-rod-torque-redline-rod-redline-cars-2-american-spy-gif-9251742339483909083

[frail bloom]

Interesting

[wheat sigil]

that's not cool

[frail bloom]

Sowwy

[heady trout]

Eternal ammo being a problem is an illusion for those who don't spam the chainsaw

"free ammo button" right there