the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

The later levels down the line are a bit more sci fi

With mostly medieval stuff but I appreciate how dark this level is

[cerulean pagoda]

hebeth, atlan battleground, sentinel barracks, etc

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-bfg-gif-27506128

[frail bloom]

Muh eyes

[green estuary]

the bass guitar in atlan battleground slaps so hard

[cerulean pagoda]

atlan battlegorund is cool

[frail bloom]

I love the bass guitar best in Unholy siege

[cerulean pagoda]

fits the sci fi sorta hebeth mars enviorment with the whole techy sounds

[obsidian shard]

And harmonizing and chanting

[frail bloom]

If y'know y'know

[obsidian shard]

my brain go ooga booga

[frail bloom]

Goes unga bunga

[cerulean pagoda]

unholy seige is a cool track

[frail bloom]

I reaaallly liked Unholy siege when I listened to the youtube mixes

[cerulean pagoda]

i love syncing in my shieldbash cancels of SSG shot animations on the tyrants and melees with the beat of the music

[frail bloom]

Exactly I felt that in my first playthrough

Then you got sum dummies saying it doesn't sync up

And they list ETERNAL as an example

brother they should list 2016

That's the most dynamic in the music module department

[frail bloom]

But yeah SLAD3's my fav

[green estuary]

eternal's soundtrack don't have shit on 2016

[frail bloom]

I'm abt to be your mortal enemy

I think 2016's is pretty boring mostly

Yup I said it

SCREW YOU

[cerulean pagoda]

you have alerted the horde

[frail bloom]

Ye I gotta sleep anyways

[cerulean pagoda]

i like eternals ost equally as 2016

[frail bloom]

Gn

[green estuary]

gn

[cerulean pagoda]

good night

[obsidian shard]

Gn goat

[scenic lichen]

does anyone have a problem in tda where weapon muzzle flashes arent appearing for some reason?

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-true-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-gif-7837418079571720437

[warm ibex]

here's my level tier list. Each tier is also in order (so for example, Mars Core is the highest S Tier while Foundry is the lowest. Temple of Lomarith is the highest A Tier while Cultist is the lowest, etc.) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1428208847750692885/image.png?ex=68f1aaa4&is=68f05924&hm=7eb747748160b25ba2cd97fdf46fdc496b89c77c85d1701d8a9e48ccad256ebe

[green estuary]

you gotta explain hebeth being at S tier lmao

also urdak in C

but based immora placement

level is such a dissapointment

[warm ibex]

everything is taken into account, from level theme to combat. I'm a huge sucker for mars levels and not a very big fan of Urdak's visual aesthetics

[meager vortex]

dark lord= shitty lord

[warm ibex]

Urdak's visuals alone (outside of a few areas) lower it to B tier automatically, but I think some of the combat encounters feel a little wonky so it's pushed down a tier. Kahn Maykr bossfight is also super weak. Although the Urdak soundtrack theme is really nice

[green estuary]

ouch

[meager vortex]

dark lord he is super coward he don't know how to use a shield for battle

[green estuary]

also a certfied argent tower hater I see lmao

[warm ibex]

I feel like the combat doesn't justify the shitty platforming lol

wouldn't be nearly as big a deal if 2016's ledge grab wasn't so hit or miss

[meager vortex]

horde you using ps5 right?

[warm ibex]

yeah

[green estuary]

fair

[warm ibex]

forgot to elaborate on hebeth

as a level it's like an easy B tier, but it's my second favorite take on the Mars theme

[meager vortex]

hebeth is good chapter because first get there shield saw

[warm ibex]

if the visual design wasn't damn near perfect it would be in B for sure. One of the few levels where visuals alone can drag it above its worth. Also just a really solid second level imo

best opening level followup out of the trilogy imo

[gusty seal]

was fighting on resurrection just now and the enemies just disappeared.... and i was caught in an battle that wouldn't end.

[uneven dragon]

also the doom PSX/64 theme reference in it fits it being a return to mars

[uneven dragon]

doing the tier list rn and now that i think about it yeah urdak's theme is the only reason why i like it so much 😭

[mystic barn]

🙁

[uncut needle]

todays update reset all my settings r u kidding me

[obsidian shard]

JUST CHANGE THEM BACK

Im killing myself oml

(In-game)

[uncut needle]

i dont remember where every specific little slider was and what sensitivity i had bruh

[obsidian shard]

Why???? YOU SHOULD HAVE IT MEMORIZED /j

[uncut needle]

flippin eternal can run perfectly cross PCs and years of updates but dark ages poops itself after a few months

[obsidian shard]

It's not THAT big of a deal, mildly Teadous at best

Plus DOOM Eternal has had its far share of BAD bugs to say the least

Hopefully everything is 100% Before DLC is released

[uncut needle]

just the point why does this happen from a small patch

[obsidian shard]

And Master Campaign

[uncut needle]

had everything tweaked perfectly for recording settings with obs too bruh

[obsidian shard]

My guess is due to The new settings related to Handheld

As TDA is optimized for Handhelds

[worldly sun]

Whenever I read any update/social media post I hear it in Joshua Boyles voice

[obsidian shard]

Same lmao

All the emojis too lol

[worldly sun]

Thank god I’m not the only one

[uncut needle]

imma sound like a massive boomer but what kinda handhelds running an rtx 2060 super

[obsidian shard]

Steamdeck and the ROG Ally's all have RT Cores

[heady trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1388567765475922053/1425903715067363338/image0.png?ex=68f130d1&is=68efdf51&hm=222fa68b88547d00435d5a58887b8f4a2663b823591c2489cdc588741453217f&

I know this is dark ages channel but since people are sharing

[green estuary]

"so this guy said eternal runs perfectly--funniest shit I've ever heard"

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/rango-laughing-laugh-risa-reirse-gif-23463824

[uncut needle]

aside from AI jank ive never had issues with eternal

[green estuary]

I guess your luck doesn't carry over across games then lmao

[heady trout]

Arc Complex if "The only thing they fear is you" didn't play on it

[heady trout]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-ant-with-bindle-sad-ant-ant-sad-so-sad-gif-27445701

Genuinely the arena design in that level outside of one bigger one near the end is very basic

It really feels like they slammed Doomguy into a level from another game at times

[uncut needle]

arc complex explaining why the first outside arena is 5x the size it needs to be:

[heady trout]

This shit a Dark Ages level

90% of World Spear, Ark Complex, Final Sin arenas are just normal Dark Ages arenas

With Eternal Doomguy thrown in there

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-team-fortress-2-heavy-weapons-guy-dead-death-gif-9045752817451426578

Dark Ages fans after trying to parry anything the Icon of Sin threw at them:

Let it be known that Arc Complex and World Spear both have one Eternal proper arena in them

[obsidian shard]

Words

[hot pond]

Is anyone else getting this bug that you can't melee kill leaders?

[topaz oasis]

@hot pond I have seen at least 3 other people reporting the same issue

It's officially Joever for dark ages PC 😔

The optimization patches were too much for the game to handle 😔 😔

[versed stone]

Does Dark Ages need to be in my Steam library to be able to play in GeForce Now?

[warm ibex]

Have you played in the past month? And if so, did you have the issue before yesterday's patch?

[thorny yarrow]

Today in Doom The Dark Ages I realized I was heavily sleeping on flare-up and blast on the combat shotgun.

Exploding fodder instantly is insane.

And that spreads the burn.

This shit is like wielding a wildfire. XD

[warm ibex]

a lot of people sleep on the CSG in general, but especially the fodder burn

armor return is very nice even if it's not a ton

[dark thunder]

omg the blood spill soundtrack

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[hot pond]

I installed the new update earlier today and still have that issue

I thought it was a playstation only issue since I’ve seen no other people talk about it

[warm ibex]

So you did have it prior to the new update?

[hot pond]

Yes

[warm ibex]

Same here, thank you for sharing

[hot pond]

No problem, hope it gets fixed soon

[worldly sun]

wow i really appreciate the new handheld graphic setting on my desktop pc, just having the option to get even more fps is very nice

im gonna stick to handheld until the next dlc arrives then after the dlc im gonna switch back to handheld lol

[willow beacon]

The holt that low is criminal

same with cultist base and doom hunter base

[gleaming arrow]

hi

[random sand]

greetings

[jaunty copper]

Imao the story in tda is the worst from these 3 modern doom's, few codex not adding anything valuable to the plot
where in the eternal and 2016 you have a lot of these a lot of plot and interesting things, tda just like sandwich but with the same roll. Anything else, soundtrack, gameplay is awesome

[uneven dragon]

there is absolutely 0 way tda has a worse story than eternal my guy

[mystic barn]

Especially if we’re considering TAG. 2016’s story was simple, straightforward, and cynical towards the fossil fuel industry and other energy conglomerates, but still genuine in its approach. Eternal was a mess, TAG was worse, but TDA is fine. They did nothing with Ahzrak’s supposed jealousy of Doomguy, nor did they make a bigger deal of his imprisonment. There were so many ways to smooth out the story in TDA, but we’re left with jagged edges

[uneven dragon]

TAG was horrendous 😭

not entirely their fault but still yeesh

[remote canopy]

Tag had the most fun gameplay

[uneven dragon]

tag 1 has the best 3 levels of the game yea

[naive wigeon]

the new handheld optimization patch for tda is a godsend for us broke people with a 4gb vram gpu 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[heady trout]

"lmao" at the start like Eternals story isn't garbo, no way in hell tda has the worst story when Eternal is right there

[heady trout]

Cultist base and Doom Hunter base ain't low though? A rank is pretty gpod

The Holts final boss is just cbt and personally I find it unfun

[humble beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

[naive wigeon]

if samur didnt exist would you place holt a little higher

[heady trout]

Yeah

[mystic barn]

Probably the 2nd best modern DOOM boss though

[uneven dragon]

Samur???

and not Kreed or Azhrak or The Cyberdemon or Gladiator ??

[vagrant path]

deadset just saw someone saying that the bosses in this are actually bad and it's been getting worse since eternal

[harsh egret]

the samur fight? imo the arena isnt great

[solid nacelle]

At least in dark ages the boss fights actually feel like one on one brawls

[mystic barn]

Yes. Cyberdemon, Gladiator, and Kreed are just “shoot until it dies”. Both Ahzrak boss battles are good because they require a little more defensive play, target prioritisation, and knowing when to strike. All of these bosses suffer from very simple arenas, so the player can effectively circle strafe while engaging with the boss. Samur prevents this play and instead forces the player to utilise the movement techniques they’ve gained from throughout the campaign. Samur plays defensively and rarely sits still long enough to play offensively. To pin him, you need to use the PB/Ballista combo that the game has been teaching you so far (turrets, Trial of Maligog, Maykr enemies). The target prioritisation is enhanced to the nth degree by tying Samur’s health to spirit enemies. You then need to decide which dies first; do I take out the Hell Knight and risk a shower of Mancubi fireballs or do I take out the Mancubus and risk getting pounced on by the Hell Knight? Similar story for the second phase of spirit enemies. All of this is happening whilst managing resources and avoiding hazards. That’s just sensational boss design. And the music is fucking phenomenal (I just wish Andrew sampled Dr. Samuel Hayden from DOOM 2016)

[uneven dragon]

I mean I enjoy the Samur fight and also somehow have never died to it but I feel like even with all of that Gladiator is just a more fun and engaging fight

It’s some good music tho yea even if it’s subject to TAG’s horrible audio design

[topaz oasis]

Which difficulties have you played the samur fight on?

[mystic barn]

Mano y mano fights tend to be, but when Gladiator is just a big Marauder (much like The Dark Lord), it loses its lustre

[mystic barn]

UN

[uneven dragon]

Hurt Me Plenty and Nightmare

i uninstalled eternal before remembering I wanted to do an UN run on TAG and now I have a new steam acc so I can’t rlly play TAG

[uneven dragon]

it’s a bigger marauder sure but it’s got a lot going for it on top of that so idrm

[topaz oasis]

Did you use extra lives by any chance? because samur's fight is actually abominable on NM/UN

[mystic barn]

Nope

[topaz oasis]

Its crazy you never died to that bullshit

[uneven dragon]

it’s cool you like Samur so much tho i also enjoy the fight

I wish he like used the crucible somehow at some point tho to pay off that one line of dialogue in 2016 they have clearly abandoned lol

[uneven dragon]

Idk I don’t remember

[mystic barn]

Also just feels good shredding a character we’ve clashed with in the past

[uneven dragon]

I probably had an extra life kick in on HMP cause who tf is dying before Samur that much on HMP but I think I ran out before his fight on NM

[uneven dragon]

I’d enjoy it a bit more if I didn’t heavily dislike Samur as a character compared to Samuel

[topaz oasis]

Ah yes, Samur, the DLC BOSS with a whooping total amount of TWO (2) attacks

clearly the pinnacle of boss design

like what does he ever do besides desperately tossing black orbs at you and spawning annoying adds every 5 seconds?

and the fight has what? 5 phases?

nah dog, that fight is so bad

[mystic barn]

Well, yeah. He plays defensively, that’s the whole point

[topaz oasis]

nah, he's just terrible and feels super rushed and poorly put together for a boss fight

no end-game boss should ever only have 2 attacks and rely on adds to make the fight difficult

[heady trout]

People will say anything

[cerulean pagoda]

hi

[heady trout]

No way SAMUR, Mr TWO ATTACKS is the best modern Doom boss

It's barely even a fight against him, his possessed goons are more of a threat than he could ever be

Calling Samur a boss is funny bc genuinely they are a two attack enemy in an arena, not an actual full on fight

I'm more scared of the possessed pain elemental than Samur

[cerulean pagoda]

the posessed pain elemental

gives me ptsd

[heady trout]

Oh yeah, two different characters Frankensteined into one really badly an awkwardly

[cerulean pagoda]

same with the shiledbreak sound fighting the aggadon hunter in the forge level when you havent killed the arachnotron yet

[topaz oasis]

like for example another fight that you have in eternal with a lots of adds is Marok, but the adds in his fight are a lot more understandable because he's is slow and his attacks are devastating, so you have to pay equal attention to his adds and his attacks

[cerulean pagoda]

A cool human who transferred his brain to a robot

Nah hes just the legendary angel that handed you your powers

Wtf ?????

[topaz oasis]

most of the length of samur's fight is due to you having to constantly focus on his adds instead of the boss for like 80% of it, all the while the boss just teleports and runs away like a wuss lol

[heady trout]

"the target prioritization is enhanced" what? It's literally the most basic "go for this possessed Demon and then the next one that's less threatening, oh and kill the blood Makyrs too", such nth degree gameplay truly, totally not a fake out for not having Samur have a moveset

And yes I beat all campaigns on UN before skill issue is thrown, just saying

[topaz oasis]

oh yeah, and he doesnt have just 2 attacks

[heady trout]

If you want an actual target prioritization challenge think Icon of Sin, there your not only trying to kill the Icon but the hoards he sends at you

[heady trout]

hoards, not two possessed demons that are always the same

Icon of Sin is probably my favorite boss in Eternal

[topaz oasis]

Icon is pretty good

[mystic barn]

Take it easy fellas, it’s an opinion. I didn’t kill your mothers, I just think the other bosses in the other modern DOOM games are dull

[cerulean pagoda]

but my modern doom boss tier list is

#1: Enhanced azhrak
#2: Gladiator
#3: Icon of sin
#4: Khan makyr
#5: Idk not decided yet

[heady trout]

SAMUR KILLED MY GRANDMA!!

Actually it was the possessed pain elemental BUT STILL

[topaz oasis]

we respect your opinion, but we think it's a massive L take and are eager to let you know why

[heady trout]

Also that yeah

When you state your opinion online you shouldn't be surprised when people state theirs back

It's an open discussion space, it's natural

[cerulean pagoda]

icon is a fun fight

[heady trout]

Icon took me a MINUTE to get down, but when I did it legitimately is so insane

[cerulean pagoda]

hard for the newbies tho, for the pros its easy

[heady trout]

Ballista+rocket and occasional close range ssg goes hard

In my UN run the Icon was NOT the hardest part by a mile

My training for UN was weird, basically recording a playthrough of every main campaign level without reaching low health, and that's how I practiced each level so much

[topaz oasis]

I just full auto Icon of Sin

[mystic barn]

Really? If you’ve mastered any combo and have good frames, the Icon is brutally simple

[cerulean pagoda]

my strat is bfg his head, waist, a piece of his chest, then micromissiles+rockets+a few ballista shots, crucible all demons i need to, flame belch chainsaw the zombie for ammo, repeate

[topaz oasis]

arbalest is really good for that fight too

or at least for the 1st phase

you can never go wrong with energy shield either

[heady trout]

Simple doesn't mean unfun

[uneven dragon]

Hey now that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad boss

[heady trout]

It only means it's an arena

[uneven dragon]

Can’t believe this is the example I’m using but Tricky is one of the best bosses of MPN2 and he just sends goons at you

[mystic barn]

If I can blast through it without any challenge, I’m not having fun

[heady trout]

Oh yeah that can totally work

[heady trout]

We disagree on that regard I suppose

[uneven dragon]

Yea lol it just made me so disinterested in a character I loved so quickly

[uneven dragon]

Icon of Sin and challenge in the same sentence?

[wheat sigil]

ya samur is a good bossfight

[heady trout]

When talking to Eternal fans you always gotta be weary of the elitism "I'm better than you at the game and your enjoyment is invalid because you aren't challenging yourself enough!!"

[uneven dragon]

ICL Eternal’s Icon of Sin fight really isn’t anything too special he just has immense presentation in his build up

[heady trout]

M1 back in your cage

[uneven dragon]

Him smashing through buildings is ridiculously cool

[heady trout]

Aura points are certainly there

[uneven dragon]

As a fight tho he’s just ok. It’s fine. Fun way to end the game

[heady trout]

Thankfully though it's been a min since I've encountered anyone like that

[wheat sigil]

i mean the fight could still be improved upon for sure, but it's my second favorite eternal boss

[heady trout]

Gladiator is pretty cool

True

I like Doom Hunter as well

[wheat sigil]

he's potentially not even top 3

[heady trout]

[wheat sigil]

that's my number one

[topaz oasis]

now, hear me out

[heady trout]

Doom Hunter is just so properly infused into the games mechanics and combat loop it's so cool

[topaz oasis]

this is the best boss in eternal, and you guys can't convince me he isnt https://imgur.com/a/3g52C7h

[wheat sigil]

not a boss

[topaz oasis]

yes a boss

[heady trout]

I LOVE when in a Nightmare Eternal boss compilations when there's a MICROSCOPIC Marauder fight that the guy basically obliterates in four seconds

While every other boss takes normal duration

[wheat sigil]

full auto one cycle🗣️

[topaz oasis]

hey, it's not my fault they gave him such a menacing introduction just for him to end up being a normal mob with no adds that can be bullied into oblivion

still, that was a cool cutscene

[heady trout]

"You were never one of us"
"You were nothing but a userper"
"A false idol"
"Let me help you to see, Slayer"

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

I wonder if I got that last line right

[hard thistle]

I missed the boss fight discussion but Enhanced Ahzrak is by far the best boss in the series and it's not even close.

Samur kind of sucks.

[heady trout]

In an ideal world we fought Samuel Hayden on a wheelchair

"These wheels are happy, Slayer"

[hard thistle]

Unironically I prefer Davoth over Samur. Samur barely feels like a boss fight.

[topaz oasis]

same tbh

[topaz oasis]

imagine a fight with Samuel where he's wielding the demonic crucible and he coming to square up to you with some traffic lights involved

[heady trout]

Same

[jaunty copper]

Did you read codex's at least?

Tda plot is too boring

[topaz oasis]

one thing that I gotta say about the codex, it was really good in 2016, probably the best one

the codex of eternal felt messy

it was worded in really weird ways

[jaunty copper]

I mean these with a plot, in 2016 codex with demons are awansome

[topaz oasis]

codex of TDA was alright

[jaunty copper]

And power ups

Nah

[hard thistle]

TDA has the best story of the series.

[topaz oasis]

true

[jaunty copper]

Nothing new, only same old things

They cut off 90% of codex in tda

[random sand]

How so? If anything, i'm glad tda didn't focus so much on keeping almost the whole story in the codexes and actually had it in the cutscenes. Not to mention it not being as confusing and weird as eternal's

[hard thistle]

TDA has no need for long codexes because it isn't Eternal. Half of Eternal's story is in the Codex, you are outright expected to read Codex files as you get them to have a complete view of the plotline. TDA doesn't expect this of you, so all the Codex is there for is fun background info like 2016.

I'm fine with both of these approaches, but TDA's makes for a bit more of a cohesive experience for people who don't like reading for whatever reason.

[random sand]

I prefer this approach. Having the story there in cutscenes with codexes being extra info you can read if you want

[jaunty copper]

Maybe you are right but story for me isn't as good as eternal and 2016, codex are very good because they decriping lot of stuff but if the add more lore to the cutscenes that it is maybe would be good but also too much text

[hard thistle]

Lore isn't as important as the actual plot. One of Eternal's faults is placing too much on lore as opposed to the actual onscreen narrative. TDA's story is more effective because there are, like... character arcs happening. Like the things that make a story fun.

[jaunty copper]

I hope the dlc will be perfect like in eternal because im disappointed after campaign of tda

[green estuary]

Sadge

[jaunty copper]

Imo

Let them cook

[topaz oasis]

I just knew the story was gonna be bollocks in both games anyways so I ignored most of the lore and codex and just sat down and read everything after the fact

[random sand]

I wasn't a fan of eternal's and 2016's because since it was mostly in the codexes, not only did that mean you had to go the extra mile and read a bunch of shit to get it, alot of the codexes are kinda confusing with how they're written. Tryna sound scarier or sum. I to this day don't understand much of eternal's story😭

[topaz oasis]

yeah, in my case I could comprehend more of what I read in 2016 and TDA

but whenever I read an eternal codex entry I was often like "who the hell wrote this and why"

[jaunty copper]

This story is great, i dont understand tda codex's where the are completely useless besides the witch

[topaz oasis]

in Eternal it was like they were trying to go for some sort of suspenseful narration style but it was so half-assed lol

[jaunty copper]

I didnt feel like that

[random sand]

They're not meant to be anything special. Just extra side lore you can read if you want

[jaunty copper]

there is nothing extra for me, maybe for a new players only idk

[random sand]

If you don't need any of it, don't read it. Simple. Go back to ripping demons apart

[jaunty copper]

I want to read it

All of them

[random sand]

Then read it. I've read them and they are interesting and entertaining. I like how intimidating it makes the super shotgun. Saying shit like everytime it fires, every demon hears it and fears it

[heady trout]

true so true

by the second cosmic realm level i switched to Nightmare and didnt die once, I practiced in the ripatorium a bunch

i think from now on ill be on Nightmare

and the cosmic realm looks and feels so fucking amazing this is insane

aaannnd I died bc the last melee you unlock takes FOREVER to move and i get hit in that time

it was just TWO whiplashes and one revenant

THATS what I die to?

okay killed that prick, next time ill be sure to falter before going for the big swing

fucking vagary cornerned me with that bs spit and I couldnt escape

okay and using a gun that makes me slower doesnt help with the spit either

fucks sake

[remote canopy]

Use the rocket launcher with the cooked perk, just melts vagaries

[heady trout]

holy shit i just found like the coolest secret ever

you think its an easy secret but then it dissapears from where you thought it was, suddenly theres no map data available and a dense fog covers the rooms, which make less and less sense, and THEN a ton of hell knights and melee pickups, actual cinema

damn I got consumed by the old one im sick

[topaz oasis]

that's the hell knight reunion

did you fight the secret Komodo in that mission too?

[green estuary]

I love how half of the life sigils are just a big fuck you lmao

"you want an extra life? here's a komodo" 😆

[topaz oasis]

EARN IT, MOTHERFUCKER, YOU HAVE TO EARN IT

[green estuary]

I'm actually making a bit of a gameplay overhaul mod, and komodos are probably the only enemy I'd actually give somewhat of a nerf
their fireballs are absolute cheeks

if I could make them do more parryable attacks and maybe slow down their fireballs by 10-15% that would be perfect

the fireballs are somewhat easy to change but the attack graph is gonna be a little tricky

[coral lotus]

createneed

[warm ibex]

is there any way you can fix their ai

I swear I rarely see anyone mention that Komodos will quite literally disengage from a fight and run halfway across the arena

[green estuary]

I can try
they end up being really bullet spongy because you just don't have many openings to use melee on them, because of both their ridiculous fireball spam and their insistence on running around like someone on adderall

the two main problems, like I said, are the lack of consistent parryable attacks (which means you don't get many opportunities to use melee), and the fireball spam

[warm ibex]

so the easy solution is to disable all their attacks, lower their health down to around 2k and make them entirely immobile

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[topaz oasis]

Doom the Dank Ages

[topaz oasis]

SHIT

i tried the BotB secret encounter CS & flail only and 50% damage to demons

I killed the tyrant and the 2 komodos but got cooked by the acolytes on the next wave

[rotund rune]

Can you guys tell me wtf is this?

[green estuary]

wtf what is

[rotund rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391500918197063683/1428450882143522977/Screenshot_2025-10-16-15-32-20-876_com.google.android.youtube.jpg?ex=68f28c0d&is=68f13a8d&hm=ff5a9a2be3d789adacc60d1fea09474ac5415a30627fe07e9f9d0a5c8815bc10&

[sweet locust]

Ummmm

What happened?

[half marlin]

bots or haters idk

[sweet locust]

Did something terrible about them get leaked?

[half marlin]

probably still can't get over mick or indiana jones kitty

[sweet locust]

Are we not allowed to ping people who work at Bethesda in this server?

[rotund rune]

Tell me about thai idana jones thing

[rotund rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391500918197063683/1428451425196966061/Screenshot_2025-10-16-15-35-20-257_com.google.android.youtube.jpg?ex=68f28c8f&is=68f13b0f&hm=79b2106a5786ea39fea159bf155132e0559ec540e76d115127993c6646962de0&

[green estuary]

essentially, bethesda posted an advert video for the indiana jones dlc that included the lines "you don't care much about those fascists, do you", just 4 days after charlie kirk got assassinated

[sweet locust]

Oh shit

Was that accidental or did they mean it?

[rotund rune]

Ok what's the context of this line?

[green estuary]

indy was petting a cat in the trailer and said it

[rotund rune]

Wtf Megatron and Blackout profile pics? In this economy?

[green estuary]

I've always had blackout as my profile pic, with the exception of the last couple months where I was a pain elemental icon from eternal

[rotund rune]

I just saw the pain elemental

[green estuary]

who knows
maybe it was an edgy social media manager or maybe it was just really bad timing

[rotund rune]

Idk shit about Indiana Jones. Idk how relevant this is and if it was accidental

[sweet locust]

I'm praying it's bad timing

[rotund rune]

They didn't straight up celebrate the death did they? Like position themselves politically or something

[green estuary]

of course not

[rotund rune]

Well I know they're being boycotted

[frosty roost]

I'm praying it was bad timing honestly

[rotund rune]

I was just going to watch some Doom cinematics and I was bombarded with all that lol

[frosty roost]

though, DOOM is one of my favourite games, I'm not getting involved in drama. I just enjoy playing what i love

[sweet locust]

Same

[green estuary]

who knows
either way, it involved large amounts of stupidity
considering "fascist" is just the new buzzword for right-wing nowadays, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out how that kind of messaging would turn out

[rotund rune]

Exactly. Those people are so extreme

[green estuary]

bethesda just publishes the title
it's an id software game
don't give bethesda that much credit

[rotund rune]

A game involves so many companies, so many companies, and Bethesda is just the publisher in the end of the day

[green estuary]

yeah like wolfenstein is created by machinegames, not bethesda

[rotund rune]

Don't Bethesda own id now tho?

[frosty roost]

ohh i gotcha

[green estuary]

yes
doesn't mean doom is not an id software game

[rotund rune]

People will forget that very fast anyway

[green estuary]

basically id was responsible for all the good stuff (game design, combat, code, etc.) and bethesda is responsible for the bad stuff (pricing, launch, marketing, etc)

[rotund rune]

For some reason I just find those comments in the doom cinematics video lmao

[green estuary]

it's funny, because bethesda game studio and bethesda softworks are two separate entities

[sweet locust]

I seriously feel like we should ask the guys with Bethesda roles if what currently is happening is just bad timing (Although we are probably not allowed to ping them)

[green estuary]

so you're basically taking your anger towards the marketing team out on the developers

[green estuary]

no need

to top it all off, it's old news

[frosty roost]

anyway, favourite chapter in the game?

[frail bloom]

No Ethan I was saying her Unholy siege rendition was my fav Unholy siege remix, you're still the undisputed goat no question

Is it a her or he I forgot

[green estuary]

ry'uul

[idle elk]

Dont forget the bugs on id's part

[frail bloom]

Dawg Bethesda has nothing to do with Doom besides publishing it and marketing it😭

These ppl🙏

You can't save 'em

They're too dumb

[green estuary]

exactly
bethesda developed fallout and the elder scrolls
id developed doom

[frail bloom]

It's too dumb to even address it's just silly

What are these ppl facebook moms???

[green estuary]

and even then, bethesda game studio developed those two titles, not bethesda softworks

[frail bloom]

I don't think I'll be in the message room here during the stream but I'll be watching the stream while working out

Gotta multi-task

[silent trail]

I am PISSED

[frail bloom]

Uh oh

Beware

[green estuary]

ruh roh raggy

[sweet locust]

I checked Bethesda's twitter

[frail bloom]

Shiver me timbers

[sweet locust]

they are coming

[silent trail]

I keep losing my Pandamonium run to that damn second atlan level because I still take damage despite doging.

[frail bloom]

Are you playing on the lowest dodge settings

[silent trail]

yes

[green estuary]

bruh

[frail bloom]

Don't do that

[green estuary]

why would you play pandaemonium on max atlan sliders

[frail bloom]

It's impossible

Well atleast on max sliders it is

On more easier settings not sure

But yeah don't do that

[silent trail]

No you don't understand. I succesfully do tyhe perfect doge and it does the whole slomo slide. BUT I STILL GET HIT.

[frail bloom]

It's artificial difficulty and plays like doo doo

Don't even know why it exists

[frosty roost]

there's a stream tonight?

[frail bloom]

Yessir

[frosty roost]

noice

[green estuary]

essentially, the controls in the atlan are fairly clunky (as expected when piloting a big ass mech) but the min parry window expects you to dodge within a hundred milliseconds or so of the attack window

which is nearly impossible

[worldly sun]

Harbour of soul is bugged I think, the smasher that moves up and down after the first fight isn’t moving

[frail bloom]

Doom the very bugged ages

[idle elk]

Modern DOOM experience

[worldly sun]

Wait nvm I did t hit the box lol

[green estuary]

oh so it was a skill issue

jk

[worldly sun]

True

[undone girder]

Yeah Atlan can be clunky lol. The Old One is hard as shit even on AS/ITYTD lmao

Though then again I accidentally left aggression on max and purposefully left damage to demons on min that time

[frail bloom]

Old One was really hard for me only once bc I wanted to kill him really fast

But I wasn't paying attention to his movements

[undone girder]

Even when I get his moves down the dodge can con me

Particularly if I'm trying to stay close range

He can get tense lol

[frail bloom]

I just need to know what falters him and to take my time a bit more

[undone girder]

Ahzrak gets wild really fast too

I can never do the triple parry right lol. It is so fast

[warm ibex]

@hard thistle Hey man, quick question - in 2016 Argent D'Nur is referred to as a "lost realm" and "a world that has been entirely conquered and absorbed into the Hell dimension". Is this something that was sort of retconned for Eternal, or am I missing something?

[hard thistle]

Definitely retconned. 2016 was written with the idea that Argent D'Nur was its own realm that had been entirely absorbed. In Eternal Argent D'Nur is instead depicted as a planet in the same dimension as Earth, with a civilization that had spread across space, which was only partially absorbed into Hell and the rest moreso conquered politically via the Maykrs.

2016's last level for example is definitely a region of Argent D'Nur that was absorbed. But the rest of the planet remains intact and in its proper place, albeit ruled by the Maykrs in a corrupt society that plays buddies with Hell.

[warm ibex]

That absolutely checks out, thank you very much!

I find it interesting that this was seemingly changed almost immediately after 2016's development concluded (or maybe even earlier), as two DLC multiplayer maps take place across non-corrupted argent d'nur

[hard thistle]

No problem. If you want a more specific theory, 2016's last level is possibly the Elemental Sepulchre, a place on Argent D'Nur mentioned in the Codex as the resting place of the Wraiths. It was described that Hell placed a curse upon the Wraiths as they slept after Valen did the whole betrayal thing, so it is very likely this region is where they were.

Given TDA's reveal that the Wraiths had all died by the time that game begins, we can infer Hell's "curse" was forcefully reviving the dead Maykrs to keep them alive in a tormented state to siphon Wraith Energy from them.

[hard thistle]

Yeah, you can definitely notice a shift in direction. I would argue Eternal and TDA align more with each other than 2016 and Eternal do. There is a certain lack of foresight and reboot-brained direction in 2016 that makes it feel a bit different from the others.

You can also look to the whole whispering tree prophecy deal in 2016 as an example of them having a certain direction in their heads and then changing their minds as Eternal came closer to development.

[sweet locust]

Def

[willow beacon]

Wait I’m dumb I didn’t see they were A I just saw them on the lower part of the list 😭

I used to hate Samur but now he’s light work

The holt is very epic

[warm ibex]

It's kinda crazy that the Wraiths are treated like this ancient, practically extinct race of powerful cosmic creatures that are gone forever while there's an entire spaceship full of them that's been piercing Argent D'Nur for thousands of years

I wonder if they'll ever actually do anything with that plot point

[uneven dragon]

Eternal just doesn’t mesh with 2016 or TDA at all at times and it’s kind of funny

[uneven dragon]

Codex isn’t entirely the same thing as story tbh

And also burying most of the good story in the codex is kind of an issue

TDA’s codex was lamer but also it had more stuff in the actual on screen story which is a trade off I love

[warm ibex]

to be fair I think a lot of the really wacky stuff comes from TAG and TAG2

Which I tend to flat out ignore when possible lol

[uneven dragon]

I’m lumping them in with Eternal ig

[uneven dragon]

I love to do that too but unfortunately Eternal planted the seeds for those things

I’d love to pretend Samuel is still a human but you can already tell the true story from just Eternal’s base game

Man I can’t get over most of TAG it’s like heinous story decision after heinous story decision

[barren ledge]

It IS the best one

[uneven dragon]

Why is the Ultra Secret Gate to the Ultra Secret Deepest Region Of Hell just. On earth. In some lab

You’re telling me Doomguy never thought to go there before

[half spindle]

The game is unplayable now.

Empowered demons are unkillable.

[barren ledge]

Yeah Bro

[half spindle]

Deleted and reinstalled the game does not solve the issue.

The animation (ripping the demons heart out does not happen).

[warm ibex]

Known issue, has been impacting players since the early September update. Was acknowledged on stream last week so they're definitely aware of it and trying to fix it

[half spindle]

Ok. That’s good to know.

[warm ibex]

also, were you having this issue prior to yesterday's update?

[half spindle]

Nope, I actually had the game deleted and reinstalled it a few days ago. Started doing some levels and noticed this bug.

[dark thunder]

Imagine the slayer has to wake up the elemental wraiths for the new threat when he’s woken up on ingmore’s sanctum

[hard thistle]

Yeah it is strange. TDA acts like just, "the Wraiths are dead." I suspect the three we see in 2016 are the only three that were active on Argent D'Nur, and the others were all dormant and either the Sentinels didn't know about them, or didn't care.

[warm ibex]

That's one of the reasons I prefer to ignore a lot of TAG 2's lore developments. 2016 acts like they're all dead, TDA acts like they're all dead, Eternal shows you a space ship full of them

Not that TAG is 100% all bad lore, but I'm not a huge fan of how it handled the story

[hard thistle]

In TAG2 the World Spear was often traveled to so that worthy Sentinels could bring back Wraith Crystals to help power their shit. I suspect the ones that succeeded were bound by honor to not mention the living Wraiths, and then when the civil war was lost the Deag didn't let anyone in.

[warm ibex]

that's kinda funny

"here's a magic space rock from the cosmic realm but like totally do NOT tell anyone we're in here dude it's like super secret and whatnot"

[hard thistle]

LOL yeah.

I can handle basically all of TAG's plot/lore shit but admittedly you have to do a bit of mental gymnastics.

[warm ibex]

it's just not really what I personally want out of modern Doom

[obsidian shard]

True but we did get some pretty big things in the Codex

The Witch
Belias/hell Priests

Morak(his name is big deal)

[warm ibex]

I generally didn't want to know about Hell's origins or about Davoth. No interest in Primevals or wraith crystal ships or an ancient hell city that's kinda like Urdak's red cousin

[uneven dragon]

Do U mean Marok cause his name is in the subtitles too

[obsidian shard]

The demon ones aren't giving really any info but are very cool

[obsidian shard]

Yes, auto correct a bitch sometimes

[uneven dragon]

Yea agree with a lot of this

No hate to anyone who likes Davoth but I find him kind of a lame answer and one that doesn’t mesh with the classic games’ intentions but it’s fine

[obsidian shard]

I wanna know More about each demon and hell in general for me

[uneven dragon]

Primevals are also dumb especially cause Hugo is gonna make sure Doomguy is one

[obsidian shard]

Fairly certain he already made the slayer one

[uneven dragon]

Didn’t actually mind Urdak’s red cousin tho after we find out Davoth made the Maykrs it makes sense tho a bit underwhelming

[undone girder]

Yea I got it earlier this week. Hoping it can be fixed in due time

[uneven dragon]

He said so in a stream but it’s not official in game canon yet

But it probably is the intent

[warm ibex]

I don't know if it even meshes with modern doom's intentions if we're being entirely honest

[uneven dragon]

story is a mess because Hugo writes by smashing action figures together and trying to one up himself each time

Literally the only thing in Eternal/TAG that meshes with 2016’s intent at all is VEGA being The Father of all things

[warm ibex]

And I'm not very fond of that either lol

[ionic glade]

Honestly need a stream with Hugo dedicated to breaking down the lore of 2016, Eternal, and TDA and answering questions because there are so many inconsistencies and contradictions in the modern trilogy’s lore and story.

[uneven dragon]

I’m not the biggest fan but at least 2016 intentionally planted seeds for it

So I can respect it a lot

[undone girder]

I personally can handle all the lore but yea you can tell their vision changed with time

[uneven dragon]

being honest I think there just are plot holes

Hugo lore stream would have him alt tabbing to m0no’s lore guide to find the plothole patches he’s made

[warm ibex]

The only seed I've ever heard about is the VEGA Core looking vaguely similar to Maykr tech, are there more?

[uneven dragon]

Maykr markings on VEGA core, the employees at the UAC have a rumour that he’s arcane, part of VEGAs tech just like Appeared, the many regrets line works well as a double meaning but that one is not rly explicit foreshadowing

The Maykr language/marks being on the Core is like very explicit of a seed tho

[warm ibex]

I honestly think all of that was established so it could be expanded upon and not established specifically for the Maykr storyline

[uneven dragon]

Oh I didn’t mean Maykrs specifically

[warm ibex]

oh fair enough then lol

[uneven dragon]

I more meant like VEGA being Arcane and stuff

[warm ibex]

yeah that's definitely there, but I suppose I'm just not a fan of where that all went

[uneven dragon]

compare to samur maykr where the seeds were. uh. oh wait they actually showed him as a human in that game

so in eternal they had to invent a room where maykrs grow human disguises and have one of them missing to explain that one

nice job guys

it's really corny and cliche but i saw a doomworld comment saying 2016's story would've been better if 'the seraphim gave doomguy powers' was heaven's angels literally just seeing doomguy slaughtering demons and being like 'shit man we should help this guy or something'

im not saying that's superior to what we got but it is more in line with Doom 1-3 tbh

and would have avoided samur maykr so it's automatically better (ill shut up about him now)

[warm ibex]

I genuinely never picked up on that lmao

[harsh egret]

here we go

[warm ibex]

completely forgot about it after a while and never put two and two together

[obsidian shard]

I think Trying to figure out things when they are clearly stated doesn't help some people either

[harsh egret]

final sin uh i mean final battle

[uneven dragon]

😭 just the most blatant "we didnt think about this at the time" patch ever

tbh TDA felt like a second attempt at TAG

Kreed is just Seraphim but better, we get Sentinels storming Hell once again but now we actually gaf about more than one of them, Azhrak fight is like Davoth but good

[obsidian shard]

Ahzrak is also a cool villain

A 22 Level worthy villain

Not a 3 level Villain

[uneven dragon]

the one issue with tda's story is that dumbass fucking suit voice why does that exist

[obsidian shard]

Cause Vega ain't real

[uneven dragon]

did they really have to have a vega copycat .? why?? what. juyst have one of the 4 DIFFERENT ANNOUNCEMENT VOICES do it

[obsidian shard]

Ong

[uneven dragon]

get marok or the betrayer or thira or novik or heck even some other sentinel character

[obsidian shard]

The did have "Night Sentinel" as characters

[uneven dragon]

another issue i kind of had is that the betrayer and marok never really fight alongside you that much outside of resurrection, it would have been cooler if we had recurring side characters that helped you out

[obsidian shard]

Thira does

[uneven dragon]

like for most of the game when they appear it's like "wow i know that guy" when you read their name it'd be cooler if they more directly helped you at points

[frail bloom]

Remember Hat

[uneven dragon]

yeah thira does but i'd like more (i am big and greedy)

[harsh egret]

Hat

[frail bloom]

Remember Hato*

Absolute Hugo

[obsidian shard]

Yessir

[frail bloom]

Gotta tell him

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[frail bloom]

I got 30 min

[obsidian shard]

Im booting up my PC

[harsh egret]

pls dlc tease for final base campaign stream

[frail bloom]

Boiiiii

[random sand]

They gotta do something

[harsh egret]

if they dont...

[frail bloom]

Well you'll do nothing

Lmao

[harsh egret]

exactly

[random sand]

I'll do many things if they announce anything

[harsh egret]

same

things i cant say here

[frail bloom]

I'll prob jump up and down

[random sand]

?

[frail bloom]

Like a child

I don't think he meant it like that lol

[harsh egret]

?

[frail bloom]

He's gonna scream like I will

[warm ibex]

that is a tad bit corny but I'm personally more fond of biblical-adjacent angels and feel like at the very least a more traditional depiction of heaven would be more in line with Classic Doom and 2016 to an extent. I do like that they tried something completely new and went with corrupt tech heaven, but story-wise a lot of it just doesn't sit well with me

[random sand]

I'll have the same reaction i had when i first saw the first doom tda trailer. Gonna scream, clap, jump in my chair and stare at it like i'm having a staring contest with my monitor

[uneven dragon]

yeah same thoughts here

[frail bloom]

I literally stared at the ceiling and said "finally" in a restaraunt

[harsh egret]

dude when i saw it i went fkin crazy

[frail bloom]

There was literally just my family and another family

They looked at me weird

Worth it.

[warm ibex]

same bro 😭

[random sand]

Lmao. When i first saw it i literally screamed "YEES!!"

[frail bloom]

Ye exactly

[harsh egret]

me and my friends were watchpartying the event and i was the only one going fuckin nuts

[random sand]

Haven't had a reaction like that in like 3 years

[warm ibex]

I feel like at the most we'll get another piece of concept art tonight, but a verbal teaser from hugo is probably about it

[random sand]

Last time i screamed for a trailer was for ghostrunner 2

[frail bloom]

I'd be happy with anything really

[warm ibex]

same here

[frail bloom]

Well not "happy"

[warm ibex]

alright it's starting

[frail bloom]

But like hyped

If y'know what I mean

[random sand]

I'd be happy with that. Just give us something. Info, art, release date, a trailer, anything

[frail bloom]

ABSOLUTE HUGO ABSOLUTE HUGO

Hato ABSOLUTE HATO

[harsh egret]

did i just hear they are gonna finish "the first playthrough"

[frail bloom]

I MEAN ABSOLUTE HUGO

[harsh egret]

hmm....

[frail bloom]

Yipee

[dark thunder]

HUGE GIVE US DLC INFORMATION AND MY LIFE IS YOURSSSS

[frail bloom]

Ooh

[harsh egret]

hm

[warm ibex]

he just mentioned DLC and major update teasers in future streams, so yeah!

[frail bloom]

Wait what did he say

A new mechanic that makes puzzles more interesting

And more optional content

[warm ibex]

they're giving us a TOOL, clarified that it's not tools

[frail bloom]

Ye so mechanic

[harsh egret]

oh boy

[dark thunder]

doomhook calling it now

[frail bloom]

PLEEAAASEE

[harsh egret]

hahahahahah

[green estuary]

Yeeesss

[frail bloom]

YIPEEEEEEEE

YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

ABSOLUTE HUUUUGGOOOOO

BOOOOOOIIIIIIII BBBOOOIIIIIIIII

[dark thunder]

If the dlc is about hunting down the high council of hell and stuff I hope they can just go all out and its just pure doom

[frail bloom]

Metroid vania esque?

Boi they keep sharing

@obsidian shard are you crafting the meme rn

Boooiiii

[obsidian shard]

bet

[harsh egret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491020118780805140/1428506058997108786/image.png?ex=68f2bf70&is=68f16df0&hm=fc02a67e458d67ce1b9fa6256e3186101c8bd9e6c5be2c41158f9a5343fef89a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[frail bloom]

No Hato it needs to have ABSOLUTE HUGO on the bottom and be black and white

[harsh egret]

yes i know do u think i can be asked to go photoshop while watching the stream

[frail bloom]

I'm putting my patent on it

[warm ibex]

Hugo mentioned a lot of completely optional side content that you'll return to after finishing the DLC campaign. May be wrong but I got the impression that it's level-based content and not like additional modes. I wonder if my "tackle missions in any order" theory is true...

[obsidian shard]

Thanks can you send the josh one as well?

[frosty roost]

I can do that with photoshop!

[frail bloom]

DOOOO ITT YES

I want to see the diff versions

[frail bloom]

I agree with your theory

[frosty roost]

@frail bloom @harsh egret what text or font to go with it?

[harsh egret]

i have no idea

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

Whatever this is

[harsh egret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491020118780805140/1428506821064130570/image.png?ex=68f2c026&is=68f16ea6&hm=e2eb2bd1a8ba0c3f4558edd3c88dea3a30c713332ec358d81ffec55ebfe9b695&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[frail bloom]

Boooiiii

[frosty roost]

I can do both

hold up im cooking

[harsh egret]

let him cook

[obsidian shard]

cooking rn

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1428507563909189642/image.png?ex=68f2c0d7&is=68f16f57&hm=a4bd12d4dc10b5353dfa40e8fed10e875838961e66ef269058fae9639698a6be

[harsh egret]

HOLY

[frail bloom]

Amazing

Now we need Hugo

[obsidian shard]

What font

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1428507973390434395/image.png?ex=68f2c139&is=68f16fb9&hm=dfca969e62e7227193e1ebb6181c9191130c831829efda3f024906e21d463b07

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

[warm ibex]

cantoria pro (regular). Same font they use for TDA

[frail bloom]

In my personal opinion it should say Absolute Hugo but I will take this too

[obsidian shard]

Also ONE More thing!
Could you make em say Hugo and Josh Respectivly!

[warm ibex]

yeah lol

[frail bloom]

Yes pls

YEEEAAAAAHHH

[harsh egret]

Absolute Josh

[obsidian shard]

Absolute Hugo

[frail bloom]

Ok gotta go but imma keep listening

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1428509589548302469/image.png?ex=68f2c2ba&is=68f1713a&hm=ca73b525899a44687bf4112fb90d376c8b8a84bdb8865b8173dda914ac975709

[harsh egret]

l m a o

Hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @harsh egret.

[obsidian shard]

hi Vega

[warm ibex]

I'll give it a minute and post absolute josh lol

[spring merlin]

Hi, @obsidian shard.

[obsidian shard]

You should now

also screenshots

[harsh egret]

careful to not get muted by vega

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1428509568807473285/image.png?ex=68f2c2b5&is=68f17135&hm=da9ffb7fef3a43db946818559398e01783094e4bad8c11de279a75692810a14d

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

Posted on X!

[uneven dragon]

do u actually call it x lol

[obsidian shard]

nah

it still Twitter

[solid nacelle]

They're gonna have a dedicated slider for brink of death forgiveness

[harsh egret]

yessir

the more difficulty sliders the merrier

[green estuary]

Remove death protection hugo

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[warm ibex]

will be available on the slider

[green estuary]

hopefully I can go full 2016 ooga booga mode

[obsidian shard]

2016? framegen?

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/cataaaaaaaa-gif-23904304

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[green estuary]

bruh the slayer and imp statues are so peak 😭

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[gusty seal]

after that hands up, who didnt see the memes coming

[frosty roost]

the face is getting fixed for the doom slayer statue!

[harsh egret]

-3k to get both

and im not doing that

[warm ibex]

good, too beefy 😭

[frosty roost]

agreed, dunno why he looked beefy when I first saw it

[green estuary]

yeah ik
absolutely kills me

[frosty roost]

glad josh confirmed it

[green estuary]

BRUH THEY GOT A TDA PC CASE WTF

[harsh egret]

yup

peak

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

probably overpriced asf but goddamn it looks cool

[frosty roost]

IT'S SO PEAK HELLO?????

[solid nacelle]

I'm gonna be saving to buy a new pc at some point so I might cop this....

[green estuary]

oh god
hugo's playing the hell on earth ML 💀

[harsh egret]

skull emoticon

[green estuary]

bro does not know what he's getting into lmao

[harsh egret]

neither do i icl

[green estuary]

I don't think there's a single hell on earth ML that's actually reasonable

[harsh egret]

he keeps pausing the opening cutscene and the title drop is gonna be off sync

[solar spoke]

damn, lol, you work quick

[green estuary]

he used two crucible pips on zombies

[harsh egret]

[gusty seal]

@harsh egret if you dont mind me asking, what sliders do you use?

[harsh egret]

parry window lowest, 300% dmg to slayer, 100% dmg to demons, 2nd highest projectile speed and resource values 3/5

everything else default nightmare really

also 110% game speed

[gusty seal]

thank you, I'm just looking for a sweet spot that the community uses, that I can use to make sweet videos of rip and tear u appear to be a knowledgeable player, so im just doing taking polls, got a slider recommendation from @green estuary too yesterday. My max slider stuff takes awhile to make sometimes. So I want to find a more streamlined process that was still cool.

[harsh egret]

i just like playing on slightly harder nightmare

and higher game speed feels goofy to me so i dont like to increase that

[willow beacon]

Which one and where, I gotta see this

[green estuary]

stream

[willow beacon]

Where’s the stream

[green estuary]

the normal places, bethesda softworks on youtube/twitch

[willow beacon]

Cool thx

I don’t recognize this one, it doesn’t seem stupidly unfair though

[green estuary]

yeah I'm actually surprised

every other one I've ever seen/played was absolutely bonkers

[harsh egret]

tbf he is on UV

[green estuary]

nah just the enemies in the arenas aren't too bad

[harsh egret]

tru

omg

[willow beacon]

I’ve only played consumed earth and seen tormented earth and they are both absolutely insane

[hearty edge]

damn 300% damage to slayer

i'm not ready for that

[green estuary]

yeah those two are the main ones

[gusty seal]

I was doing 500% but acolyte rain fire attack kills you one hit. cant parry. fighting anything else during the rain, if you parry you die, meaning keep moving even if you poop ur pants

[green estuary]

who tf is suggesting armored whiplash in the stream chat

[willow beacon]

Consumed earth took me like 2.5 hours, that was a painful level

[cerulean pagoda]

hi

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-southpark-gif-5620363

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[hearty edge]

oh fuk no

[harsh egret]

that would be funny

[hearty edge]

shi's already tanky enough

[harsh egret]

just dont give me armored variants everywhere in dlc

do like 1 or 2

[strong moth]

Idk if it’s mentioned but the ML Hugo is playing is a kid

A mod actually

[hearty edge]

armored chaingunner

[willow beacon]

The eternal one?

[harsh egret]

man i could come up with some fun variants

[gusty seal]

u play chicken invaders universe ?

[willow beacon]

Nop

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-invaders-revenge-of-the-yolk-boss-battle-the-yolk-star-chicken-gif-22763156

[strong moth]

Also, they said they’d be showing some of the upcoming Ripatorium features tonight, as well as —potentially— a peek at something from the DLC but I won’t be able to watch any longer… so I’m gonna miss out haha

[cerulean pagoda]

chaingunner need to be more of a threat

[gusty seal]

great hand eye coordination practice after a long doom session. or just in general

[harsh egret]

thought they would be showing that before playing tda lol

they usually show that before

[strong moth]

Maybe they will before I just can’t watch anymore starting in a moment so I’ll be missing. Also they spent the early part on capsule collection and merch

[gusty seal]

hear me out now, snap map ripatorium... with option to save your creation. maybe even upload it .

[cerulean pagoda]

hugo is live and i just wanted to make a video, welp, delay time

[hearty edge]

i was boutta say "bring back the grenade launcher from 2016 multiplayer" 😭🙏🙏

i might be stupid

[harsh egret]

aw man

[stray urchin]

late to the stream, any TDA news i missed?

[cerulean pagoda]

idk im making a video for a school project and unfortunately it involves me trying to take ultrakill footage

[solid nacelle]

New tool in the dlc that'll be used for traversal, Hugo says they've basically got the puzzles down. Says there's also gonna be lots of optional content, and that you'll have stuff to do after you beat it.

They're also going to have an update at some point with a slider for the brink of death forgiveness

[uneven dragon]

oh thats fun

[topaz oasis]

make that damage to demons 50% and you have me on your side

[hearty edge]

holy hell

[willow beacon]

Make everything except damage values max and you have me

Normal nightmare damage

[hearty edge]

i just play on the nightmare preset with demon aggression at max

and 2nd smallest parry window

[frail bloom]

Y'all should ask if we potentially might see FM ost snippets in the future like they did for dark ages

Also hi btw

I saw the images, peak

Saved all 4

[harsh egret]

i dont think they can confirm that FM will compose for dlc just yet

[frail bloom]

Oh I thought it was confirmed

[harsh egret]

i dont think it is

[frail bloom]

Really I coulda sworn

[frosty roost]

they probably won't say anything about the dlc until either like a trailer or a teaser in the next couple months

[harsh egret]

@obsidian shard u said smth in the twitch chat a few mins ago, are they like 100% confirmed and announced to compose for the dlc?

[frail bloom]

If not then yeah can't ask really

[frosty roost]

would be really sick for FM to compose the dlc too

[harsh egret]

i havent heard that anywhere

[frail bloom]

Dinoheretic is like very sure

[harsh egret]

i mean its obvious that they will but it just isnt announced yet

[frail bloom]

Ye ye I understand

I just wanna hear my goats strike the guitar again

[harsh egret]

oh they will

[obsidian shard]

Not 100% but I'm and a few other "DOOMfies" are VERY Certian there back, Alex and the Offical FM account will like posts related to DLC Music!

[frail bloom]

RRROOOOOAAARR

Sooooo is it okay if someone is willing to ask, I don't really expect an answer I just wanna see how they react

Just curious

If not that's totally well and good

[harsh egret]

i doubt they would even read it out

[frail bloom]

I mean it doesn't hurt trying

[harsh egret]

sneaky just asked

[frail bloom]

Goated Sneaky

Do y'all think they're gonna split it

[green estuary]

you guys gotta stop calling each other doomfies and switch to doomaholics

[frail bloom]

Cuz like it's been awhile

[obsidian shard]

Ok goat

[harsh egret]

lmfao

josh said he cant answer yet

[frail bloom]

Ok that's good was just curious

We'll see

So what dlc news should I add to my big paragraph of dlc news

Like did someone compile what they've said today

[harsh egret]

idk i just have

• The tools that we will give you will lead to some interesting traversal puzzles. Again, lots of emphasis on the puzzles and Hugo thinks we are gonna love them
• A lot of secrets and optional content
• There will be some metroidvania elements in there

[frosty roost]

i think one of them said the movement or something like that is for the dlc

[harsh egret]

that was last week

[frosty roost]

oh yeah right, i forget sometimes

[harsh egret]

you're good

[stray urchin]

thanks

[frail bloom]

All we know abt DLC so far:

• Will expand mechanics from the base game in both combat and exploration
-Will be meaningful changes and not tacked on
-"from 2016 to Eternal"(to some extent)
-will increase mobility options
• Exploration has good backtracking and is especially required in this dlc(to progress meaningfully)
• There will be a hub(most likely the Kreeds ship)
• The puzzles are really fun

• a tool(mechanic) given will lead to some interesting traversal puzzles, emphasis on puzzles
  -lots of secrets and "optional" content
  -some Metroidvania-esque elements
  • There will be new ai that shake things up
  • We will most likely be hunting the high council in dlc
  -dlc will expand the story in ways that people want
• "Will there be cutscenes in dlc", Hugo's response, " It'll be different, but there will still be a story"
  • We have a dlc concept art

[obsidian shard]

Hato you gotta make a BIG Post on Twitter Today!

[frail bloom]

it's one tool btw

[harsh egret]

lmao ye i will after stream

[solid nacelle]

I hope the new tool is relevant in combat

[uneven dragon]

just realised i probably cant play doom tda's dlc when it drops next year cause i won't have access to a pc 🥹

[harsh egret]

ive posted stuff before stream ends and sometimes they drop random news in the middle of stream im like oop

[uneven dragon]

and my laptop can't handle raytracing

[harsh egret]

rip

[frail bloom]

Where are you going?

[uneven dragon]

moving cities lol ive been leeching off of a friend's pc for tda specifically

[frail bloom]

Oh I see saaadge

Are consoles affordable?

[uneven dragon]

kinda sad my laptop meets/is over the required specs for TDA in literally everything apart from being able to handle raytracting

[uneven dragon]

atp i might as well just save up for a pc

[frosty roost]

hiya UAC

[frail bloom]

Ye

[obsidian shard]

NOT Xbox

[harsh egret]

u can also play it on handhelds now

[frosty roost]

steam deck you can also play on if you have it

[harsh egret]

steam deck verified and also rog ally

[frail bloom]

Ye good for travelling

But not super good for sweaty gameplay

Just gotta play kinda passively

Experience it or smt

Lol Mcguffin

Maguffin

However it's spelled

[covert goblet]

So, I'm doing an ultra nightmare run, and upon starting the level "the kar'thul marshes", it immediately says I've completed the challenge "roundup."

Is that a glitch?

[warm ibex]

DLC sneak peek and huge update sneak peek segments might become a part of streams going forward after the campaign playthrough is over.

The tools we’ll be given will lead to some interesting traversal puzzles, but not necessarily skill based like in Eternal. So it seems like movement is a HUGE factor in the TDA DLC. Hugo clarified that it’s a single new tool, so all of these new puzzles and movement options will come from something new.

DLC will have LOTS of optional content that you can unlock over time, it’s not finished once you’re done with the campaign.

It’s slightly metroidvania-esq. Lots of secrets and content to unlock, stuff to go back to. A lot of it is optional, kinda like how you didn’t have to do Slayer Gates in Eternal. (mention HUB theory)

They’ll be adding a brink of death slider so you can customize how forgiving it is, including an option to remove it. (Maybe do a video evidence clip with this one)

Still some small tweaks coming, but that patch got the game just about where they want it before DLC.

my notes from today's stream

[frail bloom]

Uh you added much better stuff and I want more clarification on the first point

Thanks

[obsidian shard]

ALSO Possible New Melee Weapon (axe) teased!

[frail bloom]

No midnight hooligan stuff here

[harsh egret]

oh shit that first one i mustve missed, thats huge

[warm ibex]

That too!! I was messing with shit when he said that and forgot to write it down, thank you

[covert goblet]

(Also, it says I've gotten all the gold and stuff. It my game bugged?)

[frail bloom]

All we know abt DLC so far:

• Will expand mechanics from the base game in both combat and exploration
-Will be meaningful changes and not tacked on
-"from 2016 to Eternal"(to some extent)
-will increase mobility options
• Exploration has good backtracking and is especially required in this dlc(to progress meaningfully)
• There will be a hub(most likely the Kreeds ship)
• The puzzles are really fun

• a tool(mechanic) given will lead to some interesting traversal puzzles, not necessarily skill based like Eternal(but seems to be a huge factor either way based on its emphasis, and that will influence the puzzles and movement options in this dlc)
  -lots of secrets and "optional" content that unlocks over time, not all at once when the campaign is finished
  -some Metroidvania-esque elements
  • There will be new ai that shake things up
  • We will most likely be hunting the high council in dlc
  -dlc will expand the story in ways that people want
• "Will there be cutscenes in dlc", Hugo's response, " It'll be different, but there will still be a story"
  • We have a dlc concept art

[frail bloom]

Ye I wanna know when he said that it's unexpected

[harsh egret]

i think he said that somewhere but i mightve been texting someone in the beginning so my brain prob didnt register it when he said it

[frail bloom]

I was working out and talking to someone else so it was basically impossible

No wonder I didn't catch anything

[warm ibex]

they start talking about it at around 5:10

[supple oracle]

Good stuff

[frail bloom]

Ye thank you

This is alllll we have so far

[harsh egret]

yo Saleem

[supple oracle]

wsg

[harsh egret]

ohhhh right thats what i misunderstood, thought he meant he will show that this stream

[warm ibex]

yeah that's what it sounds like, but def meant in future streams lol

[frail bloom]

Ok that's kinda nice of them

I expected like nothing until a trailer shadowdropped in like december smt

So this is very nice of them

And Hugo knows how to not spoil things

So I think we won't we spoiled

[harsh egret]

im still with my tin foil hat on, i still think they are dropping master campaign and playing that on stream after they are done with the campaign lmao

[frail bloom]

Ye you and your tinfoil hat

[harsh egret]

i might be reading too much into what josh been saying but man idk

[warm ibex]

the hat of disappointment and unfulfilled expectations lol

[harsh egret]

lmao nah i wont get dissapointed

i dont with these types of stuff

[warm ibex]

some people do, I remember a handful of people getting super upset when there wasn't a TDA trailer at the game awards last year lol

[harsh egret]

lol i was hoping too but ye nah i didnt get dissapointed like that

[frail bloom]

I'm like Hato now

Except without the tinfoil hat

Ye buddy

[harsh egret]

only way i would get dissapointed is if it got leaked that it would be on there but they dont have it after all

[frail bloom]

Character arc

[frail bloom]

That would be kinda rough

[harsh egret]

but realistically i would get dissapointed if we only get a few master levels and no master campaign ngl

[frail bloom]

But that's an unlikely hypothetical which is the point I know

[harsh egret]

cuz in my head that is confirmed xd

[warm ibex]

there's a solid 93% chance the earth explodes thirty minutes before the master campaign actually drops, that's just our luck man

[strong moth]

Did they do any of the Ripatorium stuff tonight that they hinted they’d show? I was excited to see some of the changes

[warm ibex]

Nah, I believe that was a list of things they'll consider doing after the first playthrough concludes

which will be after next stream

[strong moth]

Ah okay. Well that makes me feel better about missing it tonight

[scenic lichen]

what happened in today's streaM?

[ebon lynx]

Hugo murdered Josh on stream today

[versed stone]

Can the new "Handheld" graphics settings be used on a desktop PC?

[tidal compass]

This is my first Doom game lol. Excited to be a part of this community🙌🏻

[spare palm]

you like dark ages?

[tidal compass]

Yea loving it so far. The whole "stand and fight" playstyle is more up my alley tbh haha

[spare palm]

Thats great. I personally enjoy eternal but dark ages was pretty fun.

You should definitely try 2016 and eternal. 2 great games with different playstyles.

[tidal compass]

Aiming to one day

[spare palm]

What do you play on?

[tidal compass]

Pc wbu

[spare palm]

Ps5

Definetly get on eternal

Pc eternal players are crazy good

Plus you get modding

[tidal compass]

Noice. How does one aim on a controller..I tried once and was like nope xd

[spare palm]

Through practice or aim assist

personally im not a huge slayer

I play battlemode most of the time

[tidal compass]

I see that's the mode in eternal innit. Got any lore divers in here?

[spare palm]

i know some of the lore i guess

you want to know anything specific?

[tidal compass]

Hmm perhaps. Is Davoth really "God" in Doom? Ik there's some speculation bout there being a bigger fish.

Also prior to the Slayer entering the Divinity Machine, he stayed behind in hell for a while right? Was he really just some regular marine with no powers fighting demons for who knows how long before the Sentinels found him

Bit of a lore dump sorry haha

[spare palm]

for the first one

he did create the universe and everything else

but im pretty sure someone else had to create him

idk tho

2nd one

yes he stayed there

after doom 64 he decided to keep on fighting in hell until he was found in the outskirts of sentinel prime

[tidal compass]

I see. That's pre-Slayer augments right? I'm assuming that Dark Ages is him fresh out of the Machine

[spare palm]

hmm i believe dark ages is because they mind control him

the order of the games is doom 1 doom 2 doom 64 doom the dark ages doom 2016 and doom eternal

[tidal compass]

I see. What about the old doom 3 in this chronology

[spare palm]

doom 3 is just not entirely related to our doom slayer

[naive wigeon]

yes

[spare palm]

hes not in the game

[obsidian shard]

Howdy

[tidal compass]

Oh dang ok

[spare palm]

you play as a whole different marine

[obsidian shard]

Any lore Questions Per chance? Or powescailing Questions?

[tidal compass]

Hihi yea was just trying to place dark ages in the timeline. At what point did Doomguy get powers from the Divinity Machine. Cuz from codex snippets it seems like the Makyrs found him and had no idea where he came from, then gave him some sort of augment which I assume is the Machine

[spare palm]

probably after 64 but before 2016

[obsidian shard]

So After DOOM 64 when the DOOMGUY is in Hell He finds a portal which takes him to Argent D'Nur, The Sentinels capture him and Make him fight his way through the gladiatoral Arena for his freedom, and they see him fight and begin to train him while he is still a prisoner!

Hell at the same time is attacking Argent D'Nur,(The Sentinels with DOOMGUY are fighting back hell at the same time) eventually Hell sends a Titan to Taras Nabad, where the Divinity Machine is also located!

While the DOOMGUY is there (in a cell) Samir frees him and puts him through the Divinity Machine, and he Becomes The Slayer

Gets the Crucible and "Kills" The Titan, after this, The Maykrs and Sentinels are scared of the Slayers new found power and Decide it would be best to "Control" him, so they Tether him (how is still unknown) and then The Events of TDA happen

This is like THE simplistic Version I could put together while still giving enough detail to understand

[spare palm]

woah i didnt know the argent dnur part

[heady trout]

Hey guys I'm playing Doom 2 when does Samuel show up

[obsidian shard]

So basically basically, you listening?? Ok ok. basically basically when the thingy and the other thing with the basically basically and the um erm thingy yeah

[heady trout]

Oh of course

Thanks for being so clear

And to the point

[obsidian shard]

[spare palm]

The main character in doom is not doom guy his official name is space marine

doom guy was something the fans made up

[obsidian shard]

That too

[heady trout]

Doom 2016-Eternal fans playing Doom 1 be like "where is Samuel Hayden"

Tbf doom guy is fucking fire

[spare palm]

the longer the icon of sin is on earth the stronger he gets

[heady trout]

Space marine doesn't really fit the character, he's more like a hell marine or something like that

[spare palm]

his occupation was space marine tho

[heady trout]

Yes he's in Mars which is in space, but shocking revelation incoming; Earth is in space too

[naive wigeon]

chat what parry color do yall use

[heady trout]

Green

[spare palm]

green

i dont really care abt dark ages

im a eternal dude

[heady trout]

Why are u in dark ages chat then

Why are so many Eternal fans in this chat when they clearly don't care about Dark Ages

[spare palm]

theres more activity in here and when i asked a question i wasnt answered

[heady trout]

I'm an Eternal fan and I still like Dark Ages, you can like both believe it or not

Doesn't have to be all black and white

[spare palm]

i do LIKE dark ages but theres some stuff i like more abt eternal yk

[heady trout]

One thing I appreciate about Dark Ages is that it opened people up to actually critique Eternal instead of just dismissing all criticism as "skill issue"

[spare palm]

and probably because im spent most of my gaming on eternal

idk i just felt after the campaign theres nothing to rlly do in dark ages now

[heady trout]

I prefer Eternal still thus far, I beat UN and spent a decent chunk of time playing Eternal

Master levels UN too

Im actually impressed that Dark Ages brought something new to the table that I like

[spare palm]

hold on im in a battlemode match srry

but yeah i love eternal havent done un because im scared but yeah

Master levels ive done super gore nest only

[spare palm]

i do too, but its just the fact ive got nothing to really do anymore

i was really hoping for a multiplayer mode

couldve done dragons, mechs, or basic demon vs slayer

[uneven dragon]

aren't you an eternal fan lol

he got called doomguy officially there

[obsidian shard]

Hes being Satirical and making fun of that guy in that one clip who says that

[uneven dragon]

idk what clip is being referenced :P

[tidal compass]

Bit late but thanks that was clear. Sentinels aren't your typical Earth humans innit. They're a separate race on Argent D'Nur

[obsidian shard]

They are Humans!

Earth Humans Descended from the Argenta Human

Hebeth is actually Mars!

[tidal compass]

Oh dang ok xd. But Argent is different from Earth

?

[uneven dragon]

straight up nabbed this idea from doom 3

[obsidian shard]

Yes

[spare palm]

thank you for understanding my refrence

[tidal compass]

I see thanks. Got lots to learn can't wait to see what else in the upcoming DLC

[brittle finch]

How is this game so well optimized?

[heady trout]

I was so happy when I saw Hebeth and saw Mars

Earth is just kinda chilling there, cavemen probably bashing rocks together or something

But actually if humans are descendants of the Argenta human then wtf

I always knew they were sort of "proto-humans" in a way, like pre humans but not to this degree

It can totally make sense, especially if you consider the Doom 3 inspiration

But the actual question is just how different human history before 2016 is

Bc unless Argenta humans got hit with stupid rays or something then cavemen don't actually exist in this Earth and it was moreso surviving Argenta human stragglers that came along, probably with limited technology/knowledge

"man Hebeth sucks, if only there was a nearby planet with water and lush green forests like Argent D'nur"

The trustworthy Planet Earth in the corner:

https://tenor.com/view/earth-gif-24433337

As a matter of fact, what the fuck is going on on Earth by the time of Dark Ages, did they just ignore this Argent D'nur like planet sitting right next to Hebeth?

[brittle finch]

Who 💀ed my shi?

😭

[obsidian shard]

There is proof of Sentinel civilization on Earth! DOOM Hunter Base has a ton under the Base!

[spare palm]

if we talking about lore the doom slayer could be jewish