the-dark-ages

[green estuary]

and having to repeat that whole thing

bruh

[hearty edge]

No like I mean I haven't played the other ones on nightmare

[green estuary]

[hearty edge]

Honestly this one's un feels the most possible I might actually try it

[green estuary]

bruh you gotta try nightmare in eternal at least

you haven't experienced true doom eternal until you've played it on nightmare

[topaz oasis]

a campaign UN run on 2016 was like 4-5 hours

[hearty edge]

Well it's not like I have that much time with school and my german classes and all that

So I do try

[topaz oasis]

On eternal it was like 7-8 hours with all slayer gates

[hearty edge]

67

[topaz oasis]

A run with all gore nests and wraithstones/rubies in dark ages was 14 HOURS

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[hearty edge]

Sorry

[topaz oasis]

Motherfucking game is way too long to have a permadeath mode

But it was pure hype

[hearty edge]

It's not like u have to do it all in 1 sitting

[green estuary]

right, but still

[topaz oasis]

Loved it but wouldnt do it again

[green estuary]

people unironically complain about mein leben difficulty in wolfenstein 2 and you can knock that shit out in 3 hours tops

[topaz oasis]

Right, but due to the nature of the run, you wanna try to complete it in 1 sitting

[green estuary]

people probably just complain because it's required to plat the game though

[topaz oasis]

You dont wanna lose your momentum

[hearty edge]

I don't have 14 hours to spare in 1 day

Sadly

[topaz oasis]

I dont either

I did 5 hours one day

Then the other day I was off from work and did 9 hours straight

That's how committed I was

[hearty edge]

Honestly I also don't have that time except for like sunday

[topaz oasis]

You'll find the time if you are committed to close the hell portal

[hearty edge]

My mom would argue otherwise

[topaz oasis]

Your momma is clearly not commited to close the hell portal

[hearty edge]

No

[warm mist]

[hearty edge]

And she does get mad when I don't go with her to a "short" visit to the mall that ends with us coming home at like 9 pm

[tiny dragon]

well I guess this is the final game
man

[wintry nexus]

What does 67 mean

[hearty edge]

Dumb ahh meme

Stupid as bums

[wintry nexus]

what does it mean though

[green estuary]

originally it was a guy talking about lamelo ball saying he's 6 foot 7

[wintry nexus]

I feel so stupid asking this

[topaz oasis]

I wanted to ask too for a moment

But I dont have the energy for these petty youngster memes anymore

[torn fox]

eternal was fun on nightmare. with checkpoints and knowing how to resource gather it was easy

final boss was hard tho

[wheat sigil]

nah pb is overhyped

also, does anyone else feel like the cycler is awkward to use?

[dense sapphire]

when is the dlc

[unkempt dragon]

You'll know when everyone else does. And nobody knows yet.

[uneven dragon]

i know.

[uneven dragon]

honestly eternal nightmare is easier than 2016 nightmare most of the time

[cursive grotto]

Awkward how?

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/VPVqhhcdnfY

master level demo

[wintry nexus]

In what way?

[frail bloom]

Ye doesn't feel akward to me

And it deals alotta damage and shock

Also, enforced demons are no joke

Not the enforcers, enforced demons

I thought they were fine until this secret encounter

Just target the enforcer at that point

[frail bloom]

If it's this game you also need to spend like one thousand on a pc

Lmao

Y'know

Actually fr tho what's your specs

[wheat sigil]

you need to fire for a somewhat substantial amount of time for the shock effect to apply, and then you can't break the line of sight with the enemy, block/parry, or shield bash, and more minor is that the enemy can't die too soon
along with then maintaining the shock is somewhat out of your control
@cursive grotto

[hearty edge]

that freaking shield soldier hiding out of sight

but yea generally i dont even bother with the enforced after i beat the enforcers

[austere spoke]

Ok guys, just wanted to say that I find it funny and really appropriate that you get a skull ammo boost for killing a leader revenant.

That's it guys, I'm out. I don't want to get spoiled

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[violet lynx]

when will eternal get another dlc

and when will 2016 get dlss and framegen

dark ages has it so 2016 should have it

[hearty edge]

if i die on the pinky leader again i'mma crash out

and buy a new pc

guess i wont crash out today

mission 3 is a cake walk

[midnight cedar]

It won’t

[hearty edge]

my pandemonium run keeps on

[midnight cedar]

You doing it with or without sliders?

[hearty edge]

just as is

[midnight cedar]

Good

Never ever play on pandemonium with sliders

Unless you want to lose your mind

[violet lynx]

when will 2016 get framegen snd dlss like dark ages

[devout star]

did anyone beat this game on ultra nightmare

i kinda want to go for it

cuz this games difficulty is very easy

even on 150% speed its not too challenging

[midnight cedar]

I did

[devout star]

cool

[midnight cedar]

It’s overall a tiny bit harder than Eternals

[devout star]

i want to see more to this game

[midnight cedar]

So you should go for it

[devout star]

how many tries did it take you

the only thing that bothers me is agaddon hunter

[cursive grotto]

Oh my god i just died to a random ass nightmare imp on my ultra nightmare save

So annoyingg

[midnight cedar]

I think around the range of 20-30

[midnight cedar]

I recommend going into ripatorium and just go at it endlessly with 1 aggadon

Try to get used to his attack pattern

[cursive grotto]

I think early game dark ages is much easier than eternal's

Cultist base can still kick my ass

Even though i have 175 hours and beat both tag1 and 2 on ultra nightmare

[midnight cedar]

In my opinion that is precisely why I find TDA’s UN harder

In eternal after you learn its mechanics and how to utilize them it becomes a breeze

The only real difficulty comes from cultist base as you said

But in TDA the difficulty is pretty consistent and with how the game cuts down on your health and armor pickups

I find TDA more punishing than Eternal

But at the same time I’ve played WAY too much eternal since it came out so that might be it

[cursive grotto]

Dude i literally went from 40 armor and full HP in my first ultra nightmare run to dead in a single frame

Ate a cyberdemon swipe + cacodemon bite and died

On chapter 17 iirc

[midnight cedar]

Oof

That’s rough man

In TDA it’s insanely hard to recover from heavy hits

You have to focus on health pickups

[cursive grotto]

Yeah restacking is insanely op in eternal

Flame belch like 3 fodders and you have half of your armor back

[midnight cedar]

Whereas in Eternal it’s really easy to top off your health and armor

[cursive grotto]

I actually had a restack build the first time i attempted UN

Flail + ground fissure + combat shotgun spam

It didn't work seeing as how i..you know, died

I want to try dreadmace + heaven splitter next

[midnight cedar]

To be honest that’s what I tried to do

When I first started I tried to farm armor and just exclusively spam ssg + impaler

But I found that I was actually playing worse lol

When I went back to my usual play style with the gauntlets, cycler, pulverizer, etc

I beat it after a few tries

[cursive grotto]

What was a common chokepoint for you

Or the toughest arenas/chapters

[midnight cedar]

I’m gonna be honest

There aren’t specific arenas that I found particularly difficult

Except the very first arena in belly of the beast in which I was genuinely so terrified of that I bfc’d it first thing

But other than that

I was really terrified of aggadon and cosmic barons

[cursive grotto]

That's the one where a battle knight spawns infront of you as soon as the cutscene ends right

If i recall correctly

[midnight cedar]

I found myself getting so nervous that I was making the most simple mistakes like using melee during their attacks

[midnight cedar]

Yes

That’s exactly it

I don’t know what about it is so difficult to me

But on I always die in it

[cursive grotto]

It's just harassment from every type of enemy at every angle

The middle has a caco, battle knight, acolyte later

One side has mancubi, armored mancubi and a revenant or whiplash i forgot and the other side has nightmare imps + an enforcer arachnotron

It's just so much coming at you

[midnight cedar]

Glad to know I’m not the only one that finds that encounter ball bustingly difficult

On a side-note

[cursive grotto]

Don't worry i died like 3 times my first time there lol

Insane encounter

[midnight cedar]

Watch out for the very last encounter before boarding azhraks ship

[midnight cedar]

I died something like 10+ times on my first play through

[cursive grotto]

Is that the one where a random vagary champion spawns near the end

[midnight cedar]

Yep

There are three times I used the bfc on my successful UN run

First time was in the belly of the beast arena

[midnight cedar]

Second and third was in that arena

[cursive grotto]

You used 2 in that one arena?

Kinda crazy

I don't remember that one being super hard

[midnight cedar]

It’s not as hard

But the Komodo revenant combo can be a pain

So the first shot was for the enemies in general

And the second was for the vagary champion

[midnight cedar]

But yeah that is pretty weird

In my defense I had not made it that far before and was super paranoid

[cursive grotto]

The vagary is honestly really easy EXCEPT FOR HIS STUPID SLOWING VOMIT THING

IT'S SO ANNOYING

[midnight cedar]

The repurposed purple goop is as genius as it is mind numbingly frustrating

It makes me want to stick my fingers into my eyes

[cursive grotto]

I don't know why i find the vagary's one 10x more annoying than the mortar mancubus even though it's the same thing

[midnight cedar]

Because the mortar Mancubi’s projectile can be seen from a mile away

The vagary spits it out before you can even react

Which is why I always use the rocket launcher from a distance

No way am I getting close to it

[cursive grotto]

Speaking of!

What was your build in your succesful run

Mainly shield rune and melee

But guns of choice would be nice too

[midnight cedar]

Alrighty

Melee: Gauntlets, Rune: Ground fissure, Guns: Ssg, Impaler, Pulverizer, cycler/accelerator, rocket launcher

Gauntlets I find very fun and also really great at building up damage + falters

Ground fissure is mainly for armor

Ssg is great for shield breaks and delimbing mancubi

Impaler I mainly used against bosses or super heavies

I also liked to use a combination of the cycler and pulverizer

The cycler would shock an enemy and I would use the pulverizer for extra speed and just keep killing enemies while spreading shock around

Accelerator is also really good for single target dps

[cursive grotto]

Does delimbing actually have any practical use

I mean yeah it falters but you can just delete mancubi in 2 blasts anyway

[midnight cedar]

It causes a falter on mancubi so I always start with that into a shield bash then another shot

[midnight cedar]

True but I personally like it

[cursive grotto]

Also hell yeah ground fissure for the win

I watched a channel reviewing the weapons of this game and they said that ground fissure was bad

[midnight cedar]

Rule of cool > practical use

[cursive grotto]

Think they put it in C tier

[midnight cedar]

Let me guess they only tested the damage

[cursive grotto]

Even the damage is solid once upgraded

It's way more than it seems

[midnight cedar]

That thing was literally the only reason that I had a decent amount of armor in most fights

[cursive grotto]

The larger blast radius + more damage upgrade is insane for ground fissure

[midnight cedar]

Not just that but it falters anything in its vicinity

[crude lintel]

Ground fissure is really strong its only limitation is that you can't hit flying enemies.

[midnight cedar]

You’re speaking facts

[cursive grotto]

Gauntlet for the win too my man

You can literally chain like 6 or 7 hits against superheavies

It's so much damage and so satisfying

[midnight cedar]

That’s genuinely why I love it so much

It’s basically apart of my combo for any super heavy demon (except vagaries because fuck them)

[hearty edge]

i prefer heaven splitter and the swarm better but it's in no world bad

[cursive grotto]

You guys know what i find funny about people reviewing or criticizing dark ages

[midnight cedar]

The kick and back hand with the shield are such satisfying falters to pull off

[cursive grotto]

They say that 1 gun is super strong and carries the whole game and yet all of them show a different gun while saying that

[crude lintel]

Love to see fellow gauntlet enjoyers.

[cursive grotto]

One of them says the impaler is too strong, one of them says ssg, one of them says ravager

[hearty edge]

i love the gauntlet too

[midnight cedar]

Because most people that say that don’t really get the point of TDA

[midnight cedar]

Always good to see

[hearty edge]

wth ravager

[cursive grotto]

Am i really the only one who thinks the ravager is super good

[hearty edge]

i've not used the ravager allat much tbh

[cursive grotto]

It's a damn DPS machine with practically free HP and ammo upgrades

[midnight cedar]

The ravager is great don’t get me wrong

[hearty edge]

i dont need it

[crude lintel]

Ravager was so good they had to nerf it lol.

[midnight cedar]

But the pulverizer is just unbeatable to me

[cursive grotto]

I prefer the ravager over the pulverizer cause keeping it at max charge just feels so odd to me

[hearty edge]

i'm an accelerator fan all the way

[crude lintel]

I'm more of an Impaler guy myself.

[cursive grotto]

You can't just keep shooting like you can with the ravager

[midnight cedar]

I know that it’s a hot take but extra mobility, synergy with gauntlets, and great damage to wide demons

[cursive grotto]

You have to melee or kill something for it to keep the charge

It feels weird

[hearty edge]

impaler and accelerator for the win

[midnight cedar]

I really enjoy it personally

It feels so satisfying

[hearty edge]

the speed boost is a clutch fr

[midnight cedar]

Exactly

[cursive grotto]

Does ''max charge'' only count as the bar being at max or the skull being yellow

[midnight cedar]

The amount of damage it does to mancubi and the pinky rider is insane

Shreds them faster than the ssg (I think)

[midnight cedar]

The skull being yellow

[crude lintel]

You're boosted as long as the skull is yellow.

[cursive grotto]

Okay then that's so much better wtf

I gotta try the pulverizer more

[hearty edge]

oh yeah against the pinky rider it's great

[cursive grotto]

I thought you had to have the bar at max

[midnight cedar]

It was also supposed to be red after the final update but it got cut from the game

[crude lintel]

I'll be honest people sleep on the grenade launcher.

[midnight cedar]

Fr

[midnight cedar]

It’s insanely op

[cursive grotto]

Yellow fits it much better anyway

[hearty edge]

yea

[cursive grotto]

Atleast in my opinion

[crude lintel]

You can kill a Cyberdemon without even getting next to him.

[hearty edge]

red is for the accelerator

[midnight cedar]

I personally like the color red more

[hearty edge]

and cycler

like plasma burning super high

[midnight cedar]

But at the same time red is my favorite color so I’m biased

[cursive grotto]

My preferred cyberdemon bullying method is impaler headshots + charged shield bash + gauntlet

It's the most satisfying combo by far

[midnight cedar]

Makes sense

[crude lintel]

I just wish heatblast was easier to use on bosses. I find I swap to megacell for those.

[hearty edge]

impaler headshots shred trough everything tbf

although for the aggadon i prefer accelerator

[midnight cedar]

I love using the shield bash in combos

As a way to pull me back in after being knocked back

[cursive grotto]

I prefer things like impaler, chainshot or ssg to combo enemies that don't falter from 1 parry

[hearty edge]

the charged shield bash does so much damage

[cursive grotto]

It just feels like a waste using something like the accelerator when you're getting interrupted so often

[midnight cedar]

For bosses megacell is definitely better

[plush crag]

Hello

[hearty edge]

well the accelerator doesn't lose its charge after parrying i believe

[cursive grotto]

It's super easy to charge back too

[hearty edge]

yea just aim it at the millions of zombies near you

[crude lintel]

Yeah for sure I just like heatblast a little bit more. The sound is really satisfying when it goes off.

[midnight cedar]

Try and add an empowered rocket to the start of that combo

[cursive grotto]

It doesn't but you still lose out on so much DPS by using a super fast firing weapon

You get interrupted too much to keep rapid firing

[midnight cedar]

And watch the cyberdemon die in a second

[cursive grotto]

EMPOWERED ROCKET MY GOAT

Okay

Hot take

The rocket launcher has the best upgrades out of every gun

[midnight cedar]

For general combat it is insanely good but you gotta learn how to use it

[midnight cedar]

Oh without a doubt

[cursive grotto]

Cannibalism, empowered rocket and cannibalism lasting longer are all so good

[midnight cedar]

Both upgrade paths are great too

[hearty edge]

cannibalism is clutch bru

[crude lintel]

Accelerator does hold on to its charge if you swap to a different weapon.

[midnight cedar]

I think it does but it slowly loses power right?

[cursive grotto]

I personally don't see the point in a big splash radius when you have things like ground fissure, dreadmace and shield saw

Especially with how powerful the empowered shot is

[crude lintel]

Nah it only drains when you swap back.

[midnight cedar]

I also thought the same but I think it also generally does more damage

So it’s a win win

[midnight cedar]

Another reason to try out the accelerator next play through

[crude lintel]

Empowered rocket is better if you want to hold on to the charge for something since you don't lose it when swapping.

[midnight cedar]

It’s great for combos against heavy demons

[crude lintel]

There's been many times where I fish for a parry for the empowered shot and then swap to something else until I wanna use it.

[cursive grotto]

Also the accelerator's recoil throws me off

The reticle goes everywhere from what i've tested

[midnight cedar]

I fucking love to do that

[midnight cedar]

That is fair but isn’t there an upgrade that fixes that issue?

[crude lintel]

That's mainly if you want to use it long range. Mid to close range is Accel's bread and butter. You can also use the stabilizer upgrade if you want to use it at longer ranges.

[midnight cedar]

I find that you have to use the accelerator at mid range

[cursive grotto]

Probably, i just never paid much attention to the accelerator though lol

The cycler feels so much better to use atleast for me

[midnight cedar]

Because if you’re fighting against cybies, barons, and the such

It constantly gets interrupted

Much better against komodos and vagaries

[crude lintel]

I haven't really had any issues with it at close range. You just kinda hold down the trigger and parry inbetween. Especially if you're using Megacell.

[midnight cedar]

I get that since I still haven’t even thought about touching the shredder

[cursive grotto]

You HAVE to try out ricochet

It absolutely dismantles the early game in ultra nightmare

[crude lintel]

Shredder is really good. I'm more of a pincushion guy but ricochet is also very strong.

[cursive grotto]

The shredder's base fire is dog but both pincushion and ricochet are amazing

[midnight cedar]

I keep hearing good things about it so I’m genuinely thinking about giving it a shot

[crude lintel]

The only thing I don't like about ricochet is that you can't always use it.

[midnight cedar]

Welp you’ve convinced me

[midnight cedar]

I’ll try ricochet first and pincushion second

[cursive grotto]

My favorite use case for the ricochet is when there's a big superheavy right next to a heavy

You shield saw the heavy and start firing and it destroys the superheavy

[crude lintel]

Ricochet is really good for the optional Komodo fight in Spire of Nerathul where the extra life and gold is.

[midnight cedar]

I like how every weapon is good in its own way

[crude lintel]

Throw shield at the Caco immediately to melt the Komodo, kill the Caco, and then finish off the Battle Knight.

[midnight cedar]

I never find myself having these conversations about eternal or 2016

But that’s just me

[crude lintel]

2016 has like 3 guns that are so good they kinda overshadow everything else. Eternal is more balanced but there are some clear winners mod wise.

[cursive grotto]

Exactly that

Dark ages was designed around gun preference, so all of them had to be equally good

Otherwise everyone would use the same gun and have the same playstyle

[midnight cedar]

I think 2016 is such a good game difficulty wise but when you have weapons like remote det, siege mode, and the ssg it’s game balance goes out the window

[crude lintel]

TDA's weapon system is basically an extension of the weapon mod systems we've had previously.

[cursive grotto]

Not sure about the first part

Dying to a random imp fireball from off the screen is my least favorite thing from all 3 of the modern dooms

Shit does like 80 damage

[crude lintel]

You feel that more cause 2016 doesn't have one shot protection like Eternal and TDA do.

[midnight cedar]

Okay I will have to admit that is some Mickey Mouse bullshit

But I think in general I like how grueling it’s nightmare is

[cursive grotto]

TDA's isn't great either specifically because it doesn't give you iframes

[midnight cedar]

But that gets negated by its shoddy weapon balancing

[cursive grotto]

99% of the time you just get put to 5 HP by one attack and die instantly after

[crude lintel]

Eternal's doesn't either. Enemies just get slightly less aggressive to give you chance.

[midnight cedar]

And it’s always the soldiers that get you

I swear with increased projectile speed I am so paranoid of getting close to soldiers just because they can randomly pull out a projectile to erase your health bar

[cursive grotto]

That's why it's an issue

Eternal doesn't have the same projectile chaos that dark ages has so no immunity there is fine

It isn't fine in the dark ages

[wheat sigil]

whut, they get less aggressive? where did you see that

[midnight cedar]

I think he’s talking about the token system

[cursive grotto]

Btw how does the ssg feel for y'all after the buffs in 2.1

[midnight cedar]

Really good

The only real issue I have with update 2 is the nerfing of the manc

They really need to speed up its projectiles

[cursive grotto]

Yeah idk what they're doing with the mancubus

It keeps switching between tanky threatning guy to weak sponge with fireballs so slow they might aswell not exist

[midnight cedar]

It’s kind of frustrating but oh well

I’m just interested in how they shake things up for the dlc

[wheat sigil]

gud

[midnight cedar]

I remember Hugo saying something about possibly doing something with jump falters

But that was a while ago so it might’ve been scrapped

[hearty edge]

chat does dying in the atlan on pandemonium also take up life sigils

[cursive grotto]

I'd love to see some improved dragon sections

Pleasee

[midnight cedar]

I would rather improved Atlan sections but I wouldn’t mind either

I also hope for a dash mechanic

Not for mobility but like a single dash used for dodging

[hearty edge]

what dragon

[midnight cedar]

And also randomized parriable projectiles

[midnight cedar]

Too soon dude…

[warm ibex]

I would imagine you just lose the run, but I could definitely be wrong on that

[cursive grotto]

Atlan sections feel really good now after the improvements idk about you guys

[wheat sigil]

in tandem with the shield bash, that'd be overpowered

[cursive grotto]

The fast punches with shock feel so nice

[hearty edge]

i just died so no i dont lose the run

[warm ibex]

oh nice!

[midnight cedar]

The overhauled stomp definitely adds a nice layer of flavor to the combat

[midnight cedar]

That is true but wouldn’t it also be so cool?

[austere quail]

stupid question....how can i get the sound from slayer pain ( damage sounds - when he gets hit- ) ?

[midnight cedar]

I’m pretty sure the grunts can be enabled and disabled in the settings

[austere quail]

i mean i what to take the files not to enable or disabled 😄

[warm ibex]

Here's the grunts extracted from the files! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-T08JFojPo

[midnight cedar]

Oh I’m sorry I’m a little dumb

[wheat sigil]

adding the meathook woulf also be really cool, but not so good for the game
which will make it not-so-cool pretty fast

[austere quail]

thx ❤️

[midnight cedar]

I get that

I just really hope that the next doom game will be to TDA what Eternal was to 2016

[hearty edge]

that'll be madness

[midnight cedar]

Basically taking what worked and running with it

While polishing out the kinks and refining the balancing

[crude lintel]

I'm not sure if the next title is gonna be a that. From what Hugo was saying TDA's DLC is gonna be the refinement of the game's mechanics.

[midnight cedar]

I know but you can only do so much in a dlc

I think he means they’ll try to refine the combat encounters

And to make it an overall more challenging and rewarding experience

But not to full on refine and rebalance the entirety of the gameplay loop like eternal did

[crude lintel]

Maybe. My thing is he calls Eternal the refinement to 2016 and Eternal's DLC as cranking it up to 11. Whereas with TDA he's calling the DLC the refinement.

So it's definitely possible to iterate more on TDA's formula in a sequel but I'm not so sure based on what Hugo has been saying.

[wheat sigil]

i very much doubt the dlc will be as big of a change eternal was compared to 2016, as they are vastly different
but i do believe hugo that the dlc will refine the combat and make it more intense or whatever, really looking forward to it too

[midnight cedar]

Yeah this is basically my take

[harsh egret]

he did also say a lot of it will be the same as the base game so dont expect anything that dramatic lol

but i think it will be more than what the eternal dlcs were compared to eternal base game

[midnight cedar]

They are definetky trying to push TDA’s mechanics and combat further but it’ll be nothing mind blowing

[crude lintel]

Seems I was incorrect about that part after doing some googling. However, neither Eternal or TDA give you i-frames when brink of death activates. You're just less likely to get attacked from multiple things at once due to the mobility you have.

[hearty edge]

alr chat i can confirm that yes, dying on the atlan does consume life sigils

[midnight cedar]

They are already reportedly working on a new game so if they do dial TDA’s combat loop to 11 it’ll be with that not the dlc

[midnight cedar]

Good to know

[crude lintel]

Tbh I kinda want a post Eternal game next.

[midnight cedar]

Why not both?

A post eternal game with a better version of TDA’s combat

I get the idea that as time goes on the slayer gets more mobile but I don’t think that should be a limit on what id can do with the combat

[crude lintel]

I'd just rather they keep giving us different stuff setting wise. Seeing the pre-2016 era is cool and all but I think I'll be kinda done with the time period after we get the DLC and master levels.

Part of the reason I like the modern trilogy so much is how different each game is.

[midnight cedar]

That is understandable

I am also hoping that the next doom game isn’t medieval sci-fi

Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t lose my mind over it

But I would like something a little new

I was thinking maybe some like far future dystopian sci-fi

I’m also hoping for a new take on hell

It looks great in eternal and TDA

But hopefully we’ll get something akin to 2016 or classic doom

[crude lintel]

One thing I will say is I think id will get to do more with TDA's DLC as opposed to Eternal. Mainly because there isn't a year one pass so there isn't a deadline for the DLC to release outside of when id thinks it's ready.

[midnight cedar]

Also they aren’t working from home anymore so that’s a bonus

It’s kind of sad seeing how much content TDA is going to get compared to how much Eternal got

Covid really hit the gaming industry hard

[harsh egret]

yh i get a feeling they wanted to do more master levels for eternal, unless they said otherwise

[midnight cedar]

I don’t remember them saying anything explicitly

But if memory serves me well there were a couple master levels that were in the files

I think they were exultia and doom hunter base

But they were never released for whatever reason

[harsh egret]

nekravol p1/p2 master level wouldve been cool

[midnight cedar]

Also if it weren’t for Covid I think we would’ve gotten more things for battle mode and maybe invasion mode

[harsh egret]

sadly never got into battlemode

[midnight cedar]

I just want that and a blood swamps master level

[harsh egret]

so i never really cared for that

[midnight cedar]

That fair

I played it quite a bit though so it’s kind of a bummer we only got 1 new demon and that’s it

Kind of off topic

[harsh egret]

yh i can imagine

[midnight cedar]

But do you guys think there will be Atlan or dragon sections in the dlc?

I doubt it especially with serrat dying and all but what about the Atlan?

[harsh egret]

i get a feeling we might get smth else, im predicting one atlan segment thats not that long and then smth else maybe smth based off of the feedback for the dragon segments ig maybe

at least smth with more depth to it sorta

[midnight cedar]

Agreed, they wouldn’t add in an Atlan or dragon sections without something that adds to their combat

[harsh egret]

some ppl suggested having doomguy run around with the turret during turret sections

sounds kinda fun ngl lol

[midnight cedar]

It would also be cool to have you get on top one of those vehicles you saw in tag 2 and TDA and use the turret there

[harsh egret]

didnt think about that, yeah maybe

[midnight cedar]

But at the same time I’m not the biggest fan of the turret so unless they add something game changing to it probably won’t happen

I’m more just thinking what will they add to the base kit

[harsh egret]

if its a thing where u move its already a lot better

[midnight cedar]

In tag 1 we had the extra runes

And in tag 2 there was a hammer

[midnight cedar]

You have a point

[harsh egret]

i think we will get at least another shield rune, maybe the flying dog thing that hugo mentioned once lol

[midnight cedar]

That would be awesome

[harsh egret]

in my head it doesnt sound crazy fun to use but maybe its fun once implemented, idk

[midnight cedar]

I’m assuming we’ll also get that second variant of the reaver chainshot

[midnight cedar]

Depends on how it’s implemented tbh

[harsh egret]

i hope its not just the one that u get if u do the give all command, im willing to bet it wont be

[midnight cedar]

It’ll probably be way different from how it works with console command

[harsh egret]

not cuz its not cool but if its in the files and playable it would be insanely boring, so im assuming since they havent taken it out yet, it wont be that

[midnight cedar]

Yeah plus it would be way too op

Another thing that I kind of want to see is maybe a repurposed Atlan forge level

[scenic lichen]

hopefully royal atlan with a new weapon

that'd be sick

[midnight cedar]

It was a bummer it didn’t make it to the game

It looked sick plus I was really interested in the way Hugo described it

[harsh egret]

yh ngl the door to the right of the final encounter in hebeth, i think thats where it was gonna be

[scenic lichen]

please oh please bring back the pain elemental !

[harsh egret]

and u would go inside and towards the atlan

cuz now u just awkwardly somehow get from the encounter into the atlan before the cutscene

[midnight cedar]

Yeah it always feels weird how you get from outside to immediately being inside

I assume it was either making the level too long or it was a whole separate level that was cut for the sake of pacing

[harsh egret]

theres a few doors that feel like they arent just "closed doors in the environment" in that level specifically

[harsh egret]

yh they said it made the level too long

and prob too short to make a whole level

[midnight cedar]

Wait Hugo actually gave confirmation on the Atlan forge?

[harsh egret]

ye

[midnight cedar]

Fuck

[harsh egret]

just said it made the level too long

[midnight cedar]

Must’ve missed it

[harsh egret]

was one of the first few streams

[midnight cedar]

Well, I hope we get to revisit it one day

[midnight cedar]

Thanks man

[harsh egret]

atlan forge ripatorium map to make up for it :d

[midnight cedar]

Yes please

If I had to pick levels to make into ripatorium maps it would be that plus Aratum, From Beyond, Temple of Lomarinth, and Reckoning

[harsh egret]

aratum would be nice for sure, some normal hell map to

[midnight cedar]

I would also like to add in the last third of sentinel barracks but I want to be realistic

But they probably aren’t gonna add anymore maps

Or at least I think they won’t

[obsidian shard]

Anyone gonna be Supporting the DOOM: Arena Board Game on Kickstarter on Wednesday?

[harsh egret]

if i wasnt poor

[midnight cedar]

Oh shit that got revealed?

[dusk current]

If, in the clthulhu mythos, azathoth's dream is the cause for all of reality, is davoth or azathoth more powerful/who created who?

[harsh egret]

pretty sure they will

[dusk current]

I didn't read any of hp Lovecraft's books, I just read a paragraph of azathoth's lore. Please tell me if im missing key information

[obsidian shard]

Been revealed since Gencon and Quakecon!

[midnight cedar]

I need to check it out

[harsh egret]

i also hate how now i started to get tarrifs on the merch im getting

[obsidian shard]

Ive been keeping up with it due to well liking doom, and I'm an Avid Board Game enjoyed!

[obsidian shard]

Nothing hitting me yet, just "duties and Taxes"

And well my mail service is on strike

[harsh egret]

and i had to pay more tarrifs cuz fanattik fked up my order and had to send 2 separate but i paid tarrifs in full for the one that was missing an item AND had to pay again when the 2nd item came

[obsidian shard]

Oh Jesus

[midnight cedar]

I mean they already have 3 map archetypes Khalim: Flat, medium sized. City of Ryu’ll: Mixed, small. Harbor of Souls: Mixed, Large. Not sure what more they can do

[obsidian shard]

Rip your Wallet dude

[harsh egret]

just more of the same but diff layouts

[obsidian shard]

More of the same, just different vibes and change things

[midnight cedar]

Oh well, I guess we need to just wait and see but I hope you two are right

[obsidian shard]

If not, well Master Campaign got my back

[harsh egret]

if "expanding on the ripatorium" doesnt mean new maps too then im suing hugo

[obsidian shard]

Posted those clips on Reddit

[midnight cedar]

That is an undeniable W

[obsidian shard]

And ohhh lord the Complaining and "Fake news" people commented was ubsurd

[midnight cedar]

I saw the post

My advice? Don’t bother.

People on Reddit like to complain

They can’t help it my guy

[obsidian shard]

Ong, I ain't Active on Reddit for a Reason, DOOM community on Discord and X/Twitter is Great Tho!

[midnight cedar]

I also recommend checking out doomworld

There are a few strange characters there but it’s pretty chill

[harsh egret]

lmao

[obsidian shard]

Doomworld is great!
I mainly Lurk there or keep up with DinosaurHeretic (Check what he posts)

[midnight cedar]

I definitely get that lol

Dinosaurheretic is also really goated

[obsidian shard]

Ong it was so bad dude, even showing the In-game Leaks, they wouldn't budge

[midnight cedar]

Really chill and makes good mixes of the soundtrack

[obsidian shard]

Love the OST

[harsh egret]

i hate reddit

[obsidian shard]

So many reference

[midnight cedar]

There are people on Reddit convinced that TDA is dead because of the lack of updates (mind you eternal received actual in game content like 7 months post launch)

[midnight cedar]

Nothing could make me hate it

[obsidian shard]

Ong

[obsidian shard]

ALSO, The comparison to Post Launch Eternal vs Launch TDA was REALLY bad

If your talking Launch day for both, Then TDA has the upper hand

Just Waiting for DLC and Master Campaign, then I'm set for life

[midnight cedar]

I think people really are forgetting the amount of content droughts that plagued eternals life span

The only thing carrying it were events that were cosmetic only

[midnight cedar]

After TDA’s life cycle is over there is no doubt in my mind the replay value will be ten times that of eternal

A lot of things are planned

[obsidian shard]

The Cosmetics were always a Whatever but hell yeah kinda thing for me

[obsidian shard]

Hence why TDA is 70$

[midnight cedar]

Don’t get me wrong I liked the cosmetics but they can only do so much

[obsidian shard]

They wanna go with a more "paying for later" system

Content now and later I suppose

[midnight cedar]

Exactly

To be honest I’m still kind of shocked about getting a master campaign

It’ll be interesting to see if they also implement modes like they did for eternal

Like that classic mode

[obsidian shard]

I wonder too

[midnight cedar]

The only thing I really want to know is if they will release it all at once or in batches

Like act 1 of the campaign followed by acts 2 and 3

[obsidian shard]

My guess is all at once, From what In-game Leaks suggest at least

And the clip from last live stream

[midnight cedar]

Interesting

Welp I’m excited either way

[obsidian shard]

Ong

Truly will end up having more content than Eternal

Im just glad for FM as the Reception to the OST has gone up (Since fixing music Issues in Update 2)

[midnight cedar]

It’s honestly deserved

I don’t think the hate they got at first was at all justified

Good to know they are at least getting recognition for their work

[cursive grotto]

I am honestly really tired of dark ages OST discussion because not a single soul anywhere even bothers acknowledging the quality of the soundtrack

[obsidian shard]

I can understand some things but as an OST it's Incredible

[cursive grotto]

They all just say "mick gordon better" like broken records

[midnight cedar]

I don’t even bother that this point

[obsidian shard]

Check The DOOM wiki, Dinosaur Heretic and I have gone crazy for there production and reasoning behind the changes!

[midnight cedar]

Any discussion of the ost devolves into the basic something something is generic something something mick is better

[cursive grotto]

I know his work in 2016 and eternal was amazing but can we like actually talk about the dark ages OST instead of bringing him up everywhere

[obsidian shard]

Ehh FM said it themselves "No one can do Mick better than Mick"

[obsidian shard]

Preciously

The OST is very different, more RAW, more Primal, Which is the point

[cursive grotto]

They secretly don't know about theomachy and colossus unleashed guys let them keep mick gordoning

[midnight cedar]

They are literally creating the same toxic environment for FM that mick had just left

[midnight cedar]

MY GOAT THEOMACHY

I FUCKIBG LOVE THAT TRACK

[obsidian shard]

Ehh and possibly FM is doing the DLC,

[midnight cedar]

If they are please let them remix the demons dead

[cursive grotto]

It's SO GOOD

[midnight cedar]

One of my favorite doom 2 tracks

[midnight cedar]

ONG

[obsidian shard]

TDA OST has THE most amount of References to the Classic DOOM OST than any other one!

Over 11

[cursive grotto]

Only bad thing is that it's hard to actually hear in the ahzrak fight lol

[midnight cedar]

What

[midnight cedar]

That is true lol

[obsidian shard]

Ahzrak Leitmotif is Countdown to death
Slayer Leitmotif is E1M1

[cursive grotto]

Also

Potential hot take

But TDA has the best intro of the modern dooms

[midnight cedar]

I know about countdown to death, dark halls, doom 64 theme, and at dooms gate but what else?

[midnight cedar]

Agreed

[obsidian shard]

Suspense in Divine Intervention is one

[midnight cedar]

I love from the ashes and he is out there

[midnight cedar]

I love how subtle they are

[obsidian shard]

I'll have to check the wiki, it's all there

[midnight cedar]

Seems like there are many I haven’t even thought about yet lol

[obsidian shard]

DOOM3 Screams in Battle on the Blackened Tide

[midnight cedar]

Could you send a link to the wiki so I could check them out myself?

[cursive grotto]

"Total purification targetted for the village of khalim."

[obsidian shard]

Plus half of FM is Canadian so they automatically get extra points from me

[cursive grotto]

I just love how TDA treats the slayer as a WMD lol

[midnight cedar]

Genuinely badass

[cursive grotto]

It's so good

[obsidian shard]

Alex and Jay are Canadian
Both Brian's are American

[obsidian shard]

OST gives more "We are unstoppable" vibes imo, due to the more RAW tone of it

[midnight cedar]

Unholy siege especially

I love the build up

And it just hits so hard

[cursive grotto]

Random thing btw

Lost souls in dark ages are so much better than in eternal

[midnight cedar]

Design wise?

I agree

[cursive grotto]

Gameplay wise too

[obsidian shard]

They got the Classic design

[midnight cedar]

Are they all that different

[cursive grotto]

They're not annoying but can genuinely catch you off guard

[obsidian shard]

Nah

[cursive grotto]

The sneaky bastards

[obsidian shard]

They are what?

Sneaky?

[midnight cedar]

Precisely why they are better

[cursive grotto]

Oh and yeah nightmare imp stalkers can go die somewhere

[obsidian shard]

FUCK THOSE BITCHES

[midnight cedar]

Yeah I agree I like how they are implemented but at the same time were they even used all that much in eternal?

I can’t say anything about the main campaign but they were used like a whopping one time during the whole of tag 1

[cursive grotto]

Nope and the pain elemental lost souls don't even work 90% of the time anyway

They just fly off to space or stay idle

Idk what's up with them

[obsidian shard]

I like The Serrat Stuff,

Flying around is Cool ASF and the Spectacle is incredible, just Gameplay is Ok/mid

Atlan is PEAK

[midnight cedar]

Yeah they are pretty buggy

[cursive grotto]

Alan actually is peak ever since the improvements

[harsh egret]

atlan is actually fun now imo

it was fine before to me, now its great

[midnight cedar]

Atlan is simple fun

[obsidian shard]

Preciously

[midnight cedar]

So I like it

But the dragon no matter how well it controls is just not fun for me

[cursive grotto]

I unironically think this simple atlan design works better for this game than some crazy complex mech combat that people wanted

[midnight cedar]

I do wish it had a bit more

[harsh egret]

they cut down on the atlan from what i remember hearing

before launch

[midnight cedar]

The giant lost souls, Atlan chainsaw, counter attack, and missiles would’ve been cool

[obsidian shard]

Same with the Dragon

[midnight cedar]

Something also tells me they wanted to do more but didn’t have enough time

[harsh egret]

nah, i think they just cut down on it on purpose

[cursive grotto]

Also the fact that the slayer just throws away the weapon after using it one chapter

Huge waste imo

[midnight cedar]

Yup

[cursive grotto]

Like you get this sick ass minigun and just throw it away

What even is the point then

[obsidian shard]

Punching SHIT RAHH

Insert Mace of Infinite Density

[midnight cedar]

Kind of sucks but who knows maybe one day they’ll bring back the Atlan and they’ll bring what they learned from TDA into it

[cursive grotto]

It's just like

[obsidian shard]

Cool but mid

[cursive grotto]

The combat is too simple as it's hitting one dodge every few seconds while holding down m1

[obsidian shard]

Like it's not bad, it's just whatever s imo

[cursive grotto]

The atlan has a lot more going on

[frail bloom]

I don't know abt that

[midnight cedar]

Agreed

[solid nacelle]

Maybe they didn't want to overwhelm the player by giving them too much to learn but it's so bare bones to the point where it's basically impossible to get any dynamic gameplay. It plays pretty much the exact same way every time

[cursive grotto]

And the dragon levels are just a bunch of nothing

[frail bloom]

Is that true y'all

[cursive grotto]

You can't even utilize how well serrat actually controls

[frail bloom]

Felt like Eternal had way more references

[obsidian shard]

Yup check the DOOM wiki

[cursive grotto]

It's so smooth but there's like nothing to explore

Big waste for me

[frail bloom]

How much does eternal have in comparison?

[midnight cedar]

It was fun for the first play through but got tiring after a while

[obsidian shard]

Eternal has references to 2016 so it has the most in the franchise for References, but for Actual Classic DOOM it's slightly less!

[frail bloom]

That's actually pretty interesting

Now are these real references or ppl hearing things

Cuz it happened for eternal too

[obsidian shard]

Real References, Playing back to back you can hear it for TDA

[midnight cedar]

What are your guys’s favorite tracks from each game? (2016, eternal, and TDA)

[frail bloom]

Apr that's awesome

[cursive grotto]

Atlan levels are still super fun for me on repeat playthroughs but the dragon levels are just a snoozefest unfortunately

[midnight cedar]

100% agree

[frail bloom]

2016: Hellwalker
Eternal: TOTTIFY
Dark ages: Either From The Ashes or Unholy Siege

[cursive grotto]

2016: Rip and tear
Eternal: BFG 10K
TDA: Theomachy

[frail bloom]

Btw Slick the animator responded to me abt the dark ages ost I feel awesome

And it was instantaneous too

[obsidian shard]

2016: Rip and Tear

Eternal: Meathook/Gladiator

Dark Age: Infernal Chasm/WTSFL/From The Ashes

[frail bloom]

Like he was waiting for the comment

[midnight cedar]

2016: Harbinger/Skullhacker
Eternal: Meathook
TDA: Theomachy/Atlan Battleground

But that’s just me

[obsidian shard]

What did he say?

[cursive grotto]

Bfg 10k is so underrated

[midnight cedar]

Goated

[frail bloom]

He said the hate it got was super unfair and ppl got to learn to love different things

What a great guy

[obsidian shard]

Also howdy HORDE

[frail bloom]

And ontop of that he's very good at animating

[midnight cedar]

Horde’s gotta be cooking up some devious comment to be typing for that long

[obsidian shard]

Average Horse

[cursive grotto]

The mick gordon thing is seriously so repetitive and widespread that it's actually impossible to have a dark ages OST discussion cause it somehow some way devolves back to mick gordon

[midnight cedar]

Imagine being a horse

[cursive grotto]

Like come on can we not just appreciate TDA ost

It'd still fantastic

[midnight cedar]

I genuinely can’t be asked

It’s just the same 3 talking points repeated incessantly

[frail bloom]

NOOOOO

[obsidian shard]

MOOO

[frail bloom]

Valuable info lost

[cursive grotto]

LOL

[midnight cedar]

What just fucking happened

[warm ibex]

🐮

[cursive grotto]

The whole thing got deleted

[frail bloom]

[warm ibex]

shit ass bot, but I'll retype

[midnight cedar]

Poor guy

[frail bloom]

Always copy your paragraphs y'all

[obsidian shard]

Basically Dragon Had more stuff

[midnight cedar]

Typed all of that just to have a bot delete it

Dragon was also way different in the dev direct

[obsidian shard]

When I get a better camera, I will one day show off my merch!

[warm ibex]

It's even more interesting because the early HUD style explorations include a wide variety of attacks and movement options, and even the Dev Direct HUD includes a fireball attack ammo meter on the left side https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1422014010361905192/dakota-cann-dc-hud-dragon-2.png?ex=68db213f&is=68d9cfbf&hm=abef60c33e0c49f031b59a0db78a7d7d6d7a801aa93e57699e27b8a612d7aefd

[obsidian shard]

(it's peam)

[midnight cedar]

We need to get cinematic shots of the doom merch

[frail bloom]

So any idea why this was omitted?

[cursive grotto]

Also fellas

[frail bloom]

This is infinitely more interesting

[midnight cedar]

That would’ve been so cool…

[obsidian shard]

Ong

[obsidian shard]

What up?

[cursive grotto]

Do you guys think that the slayer is weaker in tda or is ahzrak just cracked to be able to overpower him

[midnight cedar]

He’s weaker

[frail bloom]

Well he's weaker but he has the potential to be stronger

[midnight cedar]

The Preator suit gives him the power of the demons he’s killed

So he’s objectively stronger in eternal and 2016

[cursive grotto]

I see

It was still really cool to see someone not just put up a fight but actually win against the slayer though

[obsidian shard]

He is Weaker (Just got Divinity Machined)

And Ahzrak Is Smort (Knew he needed to avoid the Slayer and get more power)

[cursive grotto]

Well ahzrak was winning until he killed serrat

[crude lintel]

I mean the whole point of Ahzrak getting the HoA is so that he could stand toe to toe with the Slayer.

[midnight cedar]

Hopefully we’ll see more of that

[crude lintel]

Slayer no diffs regular Ahzrak.

[obsidian shard]

Cause Will To match Strength, Strength to Match Rage

[midnight cedar]

IIRC there’s a prophecy in 2016 that says someone will “make even the slayer weep” whatever that means

[cursive grotto]

Yeah that's why ahzrak avoids him the whole game until he gets thira's power

[obsidian shard]

(Hugo said think like the Hulk)

[frail bloom]

The demonic priest propchecy

[midnight cedar]

Yup

[frail bloom]

The guy with the demonic crucible

[midnight cedar]

Probably not canon anymore but might as well bring it up

[frail bloom]

Well it's so vague it can easily be re intergrated

[obsidian shard]

Also the Void (Where Davoth came from)

[midnight cedar]

If it’s anyone I assume it’ll be Samur

[obsidian shard]

The Witch is still alive

[cursive grotto]

Also fuck acolytes 😁

[midnight cedar]

Also guys can I ask a weird sort of question?

[cursive grotto]

So annoying

[midnight cedar]

First time?

[obsidian shard]

ye

[cursive grotto]

Go ahead

[midnight cedar]

Let’s say hypothetically speaking

[warm ibex]

Is there any lore I'm missing regarding that? The only thing I can find about that is the reference made in the Slayers Testaments, but I'm fairly certain that's referring to the Slayer being able to canonically heal by killing enemies and not necessarily him gaining their power or anything

[green estuary]

isn't that just the divinity machine's power, not the praetor suit

[midnight cedar]

The cosmic realm gets completely assimilated into hell and all demons become hybrids of sorts

[midnight cedar]

My bad

[obsidian shard]

ye

[obsidian shard]

Ten Tickles for you mister

[midnight cedar]

Would that mean that the whole “no demon can leave hell” means nothing?

[warm ibex]

a thrilling reward, Mr. Jaycool! Quite generous of you.

[midnight cedar]

[crude lintel]

The thing with the Praetor suit is that it's indestructible not that it makes him stronger iirc.

[midnight cedar]

Yeah that was my bad

[green estuary]

demons can leave hell, but they just couldn't arrive in heaven until the maykrs lost control over it

[midnight cedar]

I mean after the ending of tag aren’t demons not allowed to leave hell?

[green estuary]

although since hell's in a different dimension, usually they need some cultists or something to open a portal on the exit side

[green estuary]

I have no idea lmao
I'm just referring to all the timeline before that, which encompasses the whole series

[crude lintel]

The demons can still get out of hell if they figure out a way. It's just that all demons outside of hell were destroyed when Davoth died.

[midnight cedar]

Really? I remember that while all the demons outside of Hell were killed any demon inside was stuck there forever

[obsidian shard]

After Eternal needs more Lore

[green estuary]

well that would be a little dumb of id's story department
because there's no opportunity now for a post-eternal doom game

[obsidian shard]

The Void

[crude lintel]

There's no mention of them being stuck although I could be misremembering.

[midnight cedar]

I mean tag was definitely rushed with us killing the devil and all

[obsidian shard]

Damn Covid

[midnight cedar]

But it was always hinted that there was something bigger out there

[midnight cedar]

Covid really fucked eternal up

[crude lintel]

We know the mysterious voice is still out there we just don't know who it is.

[obsidian shard]

My Guess is the Void/Another Primeval

[midnight cedar]

It was most likely originally the dark lord but now it’s a mystery

[warm ibex]

It's also not actually indestructible, it just wasn't really damaged by anything the UAC threw at it during tests. "The suit was extracted from the rock, cleaned, and subjected to numerous tolerance tests, and found to be almost impervious to any damage."

He canonically bleeds during the events of Doom 2016 (Richardson's logs state that they collected his blood samples from the aftermath of the Mars event) which wouldn't be possible if the suit was literally indestructible

(just for discussion context, not trying to correct you)

[obsidian shard]

we see in TDA he can Bleed

its more of Death isnt a Option

[midnight cedar]

Also another thing

I could be misremembering but in the slayers testaments the voice described the wretch’s actions as “heresy” right?

[crude lintel]

Is the blood collected from when he was fighting in 2016 or when they had him restrained in the sarcophagus? Cause he's naked at the start of 2016 which would allow the UAC to take blood samples.

[obsidian shard]

He can be hurt, just not "killed"

[warm ibex]

It's stated that they were unable to do anything to the Slayer while he was asleep "Attempts to wake the man were fruitless - and to harm him even more so - as a protective Argent barrier around the body kept him safe from harm in permanent stasis."

[green estuary]

well, he can be killed
except he's just built different, so instead of being stuck in hell like everyone else, he just rips and tears his way back to the mortal realm

[obsidian shard]

Hes Incorruptible, Unyielding

[obsidian shard]

Exactly

[obsidian shard]

And Unrelenting

[green estuary]

rage, brutal, and without mercy

[obsidian shard]

Does his Body do that naturally now, or was oart of the Sarcophagus Curse?

[green estuary]

very much without mercy

[warm ibex]

Seems to be a curse, as Hell's whole thing was making sure that absolutely nothing could wake him

[midnight cedar]

“And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time, the Hell Walker found the wretch who shall not be named, but in his heresy was loyal to his evil cause.”

This is a direct quote from the Slayers testaments

If you die during the Azhrak + witch boss fight

Azhrak also calls you a heretic

[obsidian shard]

not a Hexen?

[midnight cedar]

Does that mean that the wretch could possibly be a human?

[crude lintel]

The only reason I was saying that his armor was indestructible is cause the Slayer testaments say the armor the wretch made for him is described as impenetrable and unyielding.

[midnight cedar]

I’ll have you know, I don’t understand this joke

[obsidian shard]

Darn

[midnight cedar]

The power of stupidity

But in all seriousness

[mystic barn]

Not necessarily

[obsidian shard]

DINO, Long time dude, how ya doing?

[mystic barn]

We’re chilling. Yourself?

[warm ibex]

Hell texts are often over exaggerated, theatrical and most importantly, metaphorical. For some reason a lot of folk seem to take them as literally as possible

[midnight cedar]

I’ve always heard from people that Hugo apparently said that the wretch was apart of the Argenta but they never linked me the clip

[obsidian shard]

Cant wait for your OST Remix!, im doing good, got my Wisdom Teeth removed 3 days ago

[midnight cedar]

Can you give me some insight?

[warm ibex]

A lot of people in this community make up a lot of nonsense and can never provide any legitimate evidence to back it up

[obsidian shard]

Ong

[warm ibex]

It's absolutely worth doing your research before believing generally anything you read from this community

[obsidian shard]

Unless its me

(Trust)

[warm ibex]

true, SneakyJaycool actually created Doom

[midnight cedar]

I agree which is why I never believed it but the fact that the wretch and the slayer are both considered heretics might mean something

[heady mica]

True

[midnight cedar]

Or it might just be that the wretch is a demon who is against hell

But I’m just brainstorming

[obsidian shard]

Its Horde

he Made the 2016 Armor

[warm ibex]

That's also true

[midnight cedar]

I have to agree with that logic

[harsh egret]

maybe the wretch is the friendships we made along the way

[obsidian shard]

Absolute DOOM

[heady mica]

2016 was my favorite suit before dark ages

[obsidian shard]

Your Being put to death, I NEED BIG DADDY SLAYERS BICEPS NOW

[green estuary]

[harsh egret]

doom 3 was my favourite slayer suit

[crude lintel]

Yeah that's why I tried to qualify my statements with either I may be misremembering or iirc. I like the DOOM lore but I don't always remember all the details.

[harsh egret]

cap

[midnight cedar]

[obsidian shard]

"slayer"

[green estuary]

this has to be cap

[frail bloom]

I remember when I was excited to meet the wretch

[harsh egret]

yeah that is peak slayer

[frail bloom]

Until I was taught

[harsh egret]

yes, yes it is

[pure oar]

Do you guys know why I can't connect my Bethesda account to doom the dark age? I type my password and username but nothing happens.

[obsidian shard]

DOOM 2 Haircut

[midnight cedar]

Honestly? Based

[harsh egret]

im trolling xd

[frail bloom]

Lol

[heady mica]

doom 3 shotgun strongest weapon 💪

[green estuary]

because the bethesda client in their games is buggy as hell

[obsidian shard]

Your DOOM News Privileges are being Revoked, leave your badge on my desk

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-3-marine-gif-8672486222723136006

[midnight cedar]

What did I just witness

[green estuary]

the armor itself isn't that bad but the helmet is just awful

[heady mica]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[midnight cedar]

The helmet is easily the best part

Fight me

[obsidian shard]

OH MY GOD IM GONNA BLOW YOU UP AGAIN

[harsh egret]

posting links too fast 🤓

[green estuary]

bro
it looks like a frickin insect

[obsidian shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274237827592228865/1419766866418597961/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[frail bloom]

Spoopy

[harsh egret]

i wouldve laughed if that one also got deleted

[frail bloom]

Ung

[heady mica]

im laughing anyways

[midnight cedar]

Have you considered that that’s why it’s so cool?

[frail bloom]

Unf

[heady mica]

UNF.

[green estuary]

no, because it's ugly as shit

[obsidian shard]

Sentenced to 10 years Looking at The Witch r34

[frail bloom]

Wut

SneakyJaycool?

More like FreakyJaycool

[midnight cedar]

I mean it’s nothing I haven’t seen before

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-he-say-meme-gif-23373334

[obsidian shard]

SpookyJaycool during Halloween

[midnight cedar]

More of the same

[frail bloom]

Spooky

[obsidian shard]

what...

[harsh egret]

uhm

[frail bloom]

Whaaaaaattt

Bruuuuuhhhh

[midnight cedar]

The tentacles go crazy though

[frail bloom]

Esplain yurself

[harsh egret]

damn

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-14385308006689816010

[frail bloom]

NOOO HE CAN'T HANDLE THE NEGATIVE CHARGES

Wait actually do it

[obsidian shard]

Vega, Blow up again

[frail bloom]

Turn them all into ions

[midnight cedar]

I mean

You guys are acting like we all don’t look at the witch r34

WE ALL do that

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[crude lintel]

💀

[midnight cedar]

On everyone’s soul but mine we all do that

[heady mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690971043430531104/1421639070194339910/togif.gif

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-how-do-we-kill-him-kill-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-16173908663927160281

[heady mica]

on god if i catch you slippin

[midnight cedar]

There’s no shame in it guys

[obsidian shard]

Your Soul is going through Nekravol

[frail bloom]

He's trying to bring us down to his level

We won't stand for that fellow slayers

[green estuary]

on a more serious note the doom 3 helmet is still hot garbage

[mystic barn]

Nothing that’s not already known or hypothesised. Hell brands those who don’t fall in line with their cause a heretic. It’s their go-to insult. Hell seems pretty okay with naming and shaming humans in The Slayer’s Testaments, but for whatever reason, the wretch is unnamed and off limits for discussion, which leads many to believe that the wretch is a denizen of Hell or worked alongside Hell

[frail bloom]

Execute the heretic

[obsidian shard]

I need this but with Kreed and The Slayer (Only Colour is the The Slayers Glowing Eyes)

[midnight cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flightreacts-flight-reacts-shocked-dumb-gif-6313022364613646356

[midnight cedar]

Thanks for this

But this also makes me wonder

What exactly is hells philosophy?

Do they conquer other worlds because they view it as a moral good or are they aware of their evil?

[unkempt dragon]

the fucking brainrot right now

[frail bloom]

It's an insatiable appetite

Part of their nature

[midnight cedar]

You have to admit I was speaking facts

[frail bloom]

At least most of them

Idk abt the smarter dudes

[obsidian shard]

Because they like to eat

[unkempt dragon]

Speak for yourself, except not on that unless you want a mute. Keep your perverted preferences out of here.

[midnight cedar]

With demons like imps or hell knights I get that it’s their nature and they are just innately evil and enjoy suffering

[frail bloom]

Bigger belly means bigger food

[midnight cedar]

My mistake, won’t happen again

[midnight cedar]

But what about other demons like Azhrak? He’s very aware of his actions

[harsh egret]

oke i didnt take that as "perverted" exactly but

[frail bloom]

I don't even think he actually looks a it

Was probably a misplaced joke

[obsidian shard]

Now the True Question, Super Earth Vs HELL

[midnight cedar]

I’m new so I’m sorry if the jokes were inappropriate and it won’t happen again, genuinely

[frail bloom]

Uuummmmm well they're evil so they like control is my answer

[green estuary]

hell for sure

[frail bloom]

What's the real answer

[obsidian shard]

Erm Actually, Demcracy Prevails All

[unkempt dragon]

It is and the topic is over.

[green estuary]

[obsidian shard]

Go against the wall

[midnight cedar]

I wonder if they would ever go as far as to explain how exactly the higher echelons of hell operate and how exactly they think and feel

[obsidian shard]

We do got the Archdemons and Hell Priests

[midnight cedar]

I get that but is their motive just power or is there something more?

[frail bloom]

Well they can explore that in dlc

If we fight the high council

Hopefully they lock in story wise

Maybe hire some writers

[obsidian shard]

Always Power, its Hell after all, but theirs always more Intentions

[midnight cedar]

I agree

To write a story you need to hire writers

[obsidian shard]

You know i did write a whole dnd campaign and by me i mean my brother

[frail bloom]

They have writers but a lot of them aren't really writers they just assist Hugo

[frail bloom]

No I did not, sounds awesome

[midnight cedar]

Oh really? Well that explains a lot

[frail bloom]

Ye Hugo sniffed smt

[obsidian shard]

What

[frail bloom]

Smt strong

[frail bloom]

What was the appropiate response

[midnight cedar]

I think they really need to hire actual writers to help Hugo

[frail bloom]

Your brother is better than you.

[midnight cedar]

Hugo has some good ideas but no way can he write the whole thing by himself

[frail bloom]

Ye someone help Hugo

He's losin it a bit

[obsidian shard]

Your going straight to the accursed Citadel

[frail bloom]

Reel it back I say

[harsh egret]

sneaky can help hugo i say

[frail bloom]

Yes I concur

So can M0no

[midnight cedar]

We should petition for that

[obsidian shard]

Yo Josh you Hearing this

[frail bloom]

Ye Josh

[midnight cedar]

Josh is in this server?

[frail bloom]

Hear our cries.

[frail bloom]

No

[obsidian shard]

Tokyopunchout

[green estuary]

when you go to the announcements tab you can see his messages

[obsidian shard]

(The Goat)

[frail bloom]

Why did you do this

I was gonna hide his presence

[midnight cedar]

Are the power rangers also in this server?

[frail bloom]

Say what

[unkempt dragon]

I talk to him daily. Don't think he looks in here much though as he is very busy

[obsidian shard]

What

[frail bloom]

He did once respond to me

With a thumbs up and a detective emoji

Like he was spying on me