the-dark-ages

[violet lynx]

i paid for a 240 monitor, not 60hz...

yeah but it will never feel or look great

[uneven mortar]

Thats crazy

[violet lynx]

you dont get it bro, when you get used to 240hz then drop to 120hz i feel feel shitty

same with 480hz, 240hz feels kinda shitty

[uneven mortar]

You should drop it a bit lower every day and get used to it

[violet lynx]

no im saying it feel eqaulty as shitty depending on the hz you are used too

no its not hun 😊

240hz-480hz felt as big as going from 120hz-240hz

[violet lynx]

ig but i dont want to do that, thats why i asked what gpu i need for 240fps

cuz i get 400fps in eternal max settings

but i only get 120fps in dark ages

[uneven mortar]

Why are you calling people hun, who told you that was cool. It makes you sound like a leering old man

[violet lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[topaz oasis]

is there really that much of a difference? I wanted to get a 1440p monitor to try 120hz but shit was expensive

so I just went with a 1080 one instead

[violet lynx]

yes

hug diffrence

[topaz oasis]

but 60 fps already looks so smooth, I can't even imagine how it could get smoother

[violet lynx]

no the hell its not

its eye torture

[violet lynx]

are you on 60hz still?

[uneven mortar]

You have broken your brain and hindered your enjoyment of the vast majority of games and I hope one day you reverse this change

[violet lynx]

well i dont like games THAT old

[topaz oasis]

I am, yeah

[uneven mortar]

You're like a 🌽 addict who can only get off to the most violent content imaginable

This is a moral judgement

[violet lynx]

i regert going to 480hz as well

[topaz oasis]

yeah, this is a crazy take, how can 60 fps be eye torture

[violet lynx]

if you get used to 240hz, 60fps will feel and look as bad as 15fps to you does rn

[uneven mortar]

You ought to be rehabilitated

[violet lynx]

are you ok with playing games at 15fps?

[violet lynx]

yes cuz im used to 480hz not and 240hz hurts my eyes

in certian games

[topaz oasis]

what's even motion blur? I hate it when game developers put all these graphics settings on their games and dont even offer an explanation as to what you're messing with

[violet lynx]

even 360 dosnt feel and look that nice

i need 400 rn

[topaz oasis]

the most they ever do is something like "decrease or increase the amount of motion blur" like bruh

[topaz oasis]

I'm ok with playing games at 30 fps

I could probably play eternal and dark ages at that framerate no problem

[violet lynx]

but what about 15

[topaz oasis]

you're exaggerating

[violet lynx]

60fps on 240hz bleeds my eyes

[topaz oasis]

no game runs at 15 fps

[uneven mortar]

You will literally get used to 60fps again in 20 minutes

[topaz oasis]

I wouldn't know

[violet lynx]

lets do some math, 15x4=60, 60x4=240

you said 60 is smooth

i thought 240 was smooth when i was 240 and that it couldnt get smoother (i was wrong)

[uneven mortar]

You are clearly in the minority here

[violet lynx]

im not being an asshole to anyone wth?

[topaz oasis]

Oh I believe I know what you mean, yeah

lol chill Xavier

I took no offense from that

[violet lynx]

not being mean to anyone im just explaining somthing

sorry if it came off as rude

[violet lynx]

yeah and it sucks

[uneven mortar]

You should just play at 120 for awhile and you will get used to it again in an hour, tops

[topaz oasis]

well, I cant really discuss further since I never played on anything higher than 60 fps

but I still get the feeling you're overselling it

[violet lynx]

and its crazy to think that it can get smoother than 480hz, cuz when 1000hz monitors are a thing, 480hz will bleed my eyes if i bought one

[violet lynx]

well never do it its a trap, if i got 1000hz monitor then 480hz would bleed my eyes, but currenbtly i dont know how it can get smoother than 480hz

we are no where near that, not until like 10k hz monitors

[topaz oasis]

btw I might be tripping here, but I get the feeling the resources you come across in arenas... respawn?

I feel like I constantly grab armor and health from the same spot more than once

[green estuary]

Many of them do after a while

But not all

[topaz oasis]

oh they do?

lol that explains it

[half marlin]

many blocked messages
is that guy again asking for framegen in 2016? lmao

[topaz oasis]

the thing that is excruciating about the secret encounter in belly of the beast is that there's like no pickups anywhere

if you want health back you kinda need to rely heavily on Cannibalism from the rocket launcher

[half marlin]

u have megaheal pickup if u didn't pickup it earlier

[topaz oasis]

I picked it up earlier so I didnt even had that

[half marlin]

F...

[topaz oasis]

still handed over those 3 possessed barons a highly explosive L tho

[green estuary]

People are sleeping on the ravager

[topaz oasis]

but I cant move when using the ravager

[green estuary]

Only thing it doesn’t deal good damage to now are komodos and bosses

Nah you’re getting the wrong upgrade tree

[topaz oasis]

oh, am I?

[green estuary]

The one that eliminates the movement penalty is best for normal fights

[topaz oasis]

Im new to the ravager tbh

[half marlin]

are barons included?

[topaz oasis]

only started using it like 3 days ago lol

[violet lynx]

yes because 200fps bleeds my spoiled eyes

[green estuary]

Don’t believe so
Barons don’t even have that big of an HP pool anyway

[violet lynx]

why does dark ages have framegen and 2016 doesn't

[green estuary]

use your brain

It’s a pretty obvious answer

[harsh egret]

this guy do be saying hella weird shit ngl

[green estuary]

The upgrade that ramped up further used to do insane damage to bosses but id is allergic to fun

[harsh egret]

most of it sounds like ragebait but i cant tell anymore

[half marlin]

not buffed ones
well just need to kill that enforcer quickly tho
In that one encounter

[green estuary]

Yeah enforcers are dicks

[half marlin]

it's a ragebaiter or something, just ignore em

[harsh egret]

i wish everyone did

but ppl dont ignore him for whatever reason

[green estuary]

Tbh they should just act as a buff totem instead of an “add a bajillion HP to all enemies” totem

[half marlin]

most of them are seeing him for first time just tell em it's better to ignore him and they would

meanwhile i've seen asking for framegen in 2016 (for some reason in tda channel) for like 10 times

[cerulean pagoda]

no way theres actual people that think any music that isnt mick gordon is apparently ai and soulless

[harsh egret]

i cant call those actual people

[green estuary]

A lot of people who liked mick’s work in 2016/eternal aren’t metal fans

[cerulean pagoda]

can these people just hop off his dih

[topaz oasis]

lol so it got nerfed to the ground?

[green estuary]

Yes
It deals like 30% damage to enhanced ass crack now
Pisses me off

[topaz oasis]

you definitely should, m8

just look at this Chaos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUSAVAZ1KYI

[cerulean pagoda]

i remember shredding a boss with the ravager and the berserk powerup in the harbor of souls back when it was still fun

[topaz oasis]

please record your run too, I wanna see how other players handle it

[green estuary]

Berserk in this game is super lame tbh
As much as I like the regular combat

[cerulean pagoda]

ive recently found out that you can one tap any demonic leader with the BFC and the berserk powerup

on nightmare

[harsh egret]

i hope in the dlc they add a proper berserk

[green estuary]

I can’t, because OBS destroys my frames

[half marlin]

https://youtu.be/sglm7rJgjXs

not on nightmare tho
it's ultra-violence

I'd never do it on nightmare cuz of my "run to the enemy and pray you kill it faster than it kills you" playstyle

[fleet spruce]

I played Coded Arms on PSP and didn't know that it was running with 15 FPS lock until I tested it on emulator, you're being overly dramatic.

[topaz oasis]

good stuff, fam!

it's so weird to me when I see people playing with the slowdown on parry and melees on

that setting is so hindering for the experience imo

[half marlin]

absence of slowmo ruines the impact

i played without it and didn't like it

[hearty edge]

2016 doesn't need it at all

unless u have like a freaking 700 series r somth

and still that wouldn't support framegen

[harsh egret]

can we just ignore that guy man

[violet lynx]

2016 has a 200fps cap

eternal dosnt need it cuz it dosnt have fps cap

not 2016

[violet lynx]

im not talking about games like that

im talking about shooters, try enjoying fortnite or darkages on 15fps

[solar cairn]

I’ll try it sometime

[wintry nexus]

😦

[fleet spruce]

But it is a first person shooter

[violet lynx]

ok well try doom dark ages in 15fps on fast speed

its proably not that fun compared to 60

[fleet spruce]

1. Why would you want to play above base speed?
2. I'm playing Dark Ages at 35+ FPS or so lmao

[warm ibex]

don't give this guy the light of day man, seriously

[frail bloom]

Alr guys imma continue working on my archvile animation

[warm ibex]

these guys only come in here and stay because they can get a response out of you

[frail bloom]

Hope I make y'all proud

[violet lynx]

you are proably on 60hz

[fleet spruce]

Damn, guess I fed the troll

[violet lynx]

and i want it to feel fast like eternal

[warm ibex]

I believe in you samir

[slender fog]

The diff between eternal and dark ages when you play it for the first time feels so weird

[frail bloom]

Thank you so much it means alot

[violet lynx]

dark ages just feels so sloppy and looks so blurry

and looks so choppy

[wheat sigil]

with a great deal of time

[violet lynx]

and they removed fun things like the chainsaw and glorry kill for every kill

eternal was a better version in every way to 2016, why couldnt dark ages just be a better version in every way to eternal?

[slender fog]

Yea like I love seeing demons getting split in half

Its so funn

[violet lynx]

yeah it was fun for every kill, why would they remove it in dark ages?

and also removed the chainsaw

[uneven dragon]

glory kills have never been a staple of the series :p

[frail bloom]

They have a chainsaw shield

That's cooler for me

[violet lynx]

they have been staple since doom 2016

then dark ages just took everything away that was fun

[red peak]

You do know you can still do glory kills right?

They arent as commom or brutal, but they still exist

[unreal terrace]

I thought I wasn't gonna like the removal glorry kills, but it's really grown on me how I'm in the action the whole time

[violet lynx]

thats the problem

[cerulean pagoda]

whats going on

[violet lynx]

there so rare, i like when i glory kill every kill

[red peak]

You can still do that lol

Just jump, they trigger when you do the finsher from above

[violet lynx]

oh ok, is there a mod that also brings that the old chainsaw

[cerulean pagoda]

once an enemy has a purple circle around their head, jump towards them, press the glorykill input while youre falling, the animation should trigger, if youre complaining that its too hard to get them right at all times, im sorry but you should just get better at doing them

[violet lynx]

i dont like the shield

[red peak]

Idk, im not on pc lol

[violet lynx]

those animations dont look nearly as cool as the actaull glory kills

[harsh egret]

ppl falling for this guys' ragebait is whats happening, gotta turn the chat into a hatefest cuz he cant talk about anything else

[cerulean pagoda]

ah, another tda hater

[red peak]

Yeah but its still cool

[red peak]

Im not even mad, im just trying to help him enjoy the game more lol

[harsh egret]

just go to literally any other chat and chat about ur lovely glory kills and chainsaw in the 2016 and eternal chat and shut up

[harsh egret]

nah, he is baiting for weeks

[red peak]

Oh-

Nvm then

[harsh egret]

80% baiting, 20% useless hate discussion about the game that has been talked about by everyone else by now

[uneven dragon]

yeah it just wouldn't work with glory kills

[uneven dragon]

i can't lie bro i have never been more invested in a glory kill than i have with the tda mancubus from above glory kill

like i actually yelled at that one it was fucking dope

[sage schooner]

How do you guys like to restack mid-fight? I always struggle when I get to that point where I cannot get any further health drops from fodder. I’ve been experimenting with the flail and the auto-turret, but the flail has abysmal damage for the small amount of armor it provides and the auto-turret’s health drop is heavily outweighed by its lack of cc and meh damage.

[sage schooner]

I love the gk where you throw your shield into the nape of the manc’s neck

[inner wigeon]

There’s no eternal glory kill that’s cooler than the Agadon gk

The walk up…. Mad aura

[frail bloom]

Try shield bashing and shield throwing on fodder

Flail sucks

[green estuary]

unfortunately armor management in TDA is pretty non-existent, though the best you can feasibly do without sacrificing too much is the ground fissure rune
besides the obvious executions, the best way to regain health is the cannibalism upgrade on the rocket launcher, though the ravager is also decent in that regard

[frail bloom]

Do ground fissure

[inner wigeon]

General rule of thumb is to just try to avoid taking damage in the first place, but if you need health super bad I’d look into shield breaking, killing fodders or using the ravenger(risky albeit rewarding)

[frail bloom]

What

[inner wigeon]

Eh with 10 h’s

[frail bloom]

K

[inner wigeon]

I think the flail has its use

[frail bloom]

Hopefully the flail gets its armor gain buffed

Somewhere in the distant future

Not by so much I just think the larger the enemy the more armor you get

[green estuary]

no, it doesn't
and this is coming from someone who uses it exclusively
it is little more than a handicap

[frail bloom]

I think you get the same armor from a superheavy that you do from a zombie

Or they're so similar it's negligible

[sage schooner]

Oh yes that’s what I mean, even despite shield throwing/bashing. you will still only get up to a certain amount of health.

I mean it’s probably on me anyway since I play on the low resource setting, but I still feel like I shouldn’t be desperate to restack at all times 🤣.

I’ll try ground fissure more and I forgot about the ravager!

[frail bloom]

Usually you should pursue health pickups too

They're much more important now

[green estuary]

nah
if the flail is fully upgraded, you get 8 armor per swing from heavies and 4 for fodder, along with 4/2 for each enemy in the AOE

[frail bloom]

4 per fodder.

[green estuary]

so basically nothing

[frail bloom]

What the hell

4????

[sage schooner]

What do you mean “shield breaking”?

[green estuary]

only if they're your primary target
otherwise if you swing at a group of fodder, all but one of them will be dropping 2 armor shards each

[frail bloom]

4 is actually non existent

[frail bloom]

Bruh

[sage schooner]

Ahhh yes that’s just a habit I gotta get used to, especially since I’m so used to eternal where I can completely fill up whenever haha.

[green estuary]

if you break an enemy's armor, they drop armor shards

[frail bloom]

Ye it needs to be reoworked

[frail bloom]

Ye it's part of the loop here

Now whether you like that or not, up to you

[sage schooner]

OH! Okay okay. Yes good idea.

[green estuary]

same with metal shields

[frail bloom]

But the flail is drippy

That's all it has goin for it

[sage schooner]

Walking around for the pickups isn’t really my cup of tea but probably just have to get used to it. I still have a good time playing regardless

[frail bloom]

Ye it's more classic doom oriented

With a mix of restacking

Well I'm using classic doom as an example

Other games do this too

[green estuary]

you don't really have to go out of your way to do so
you shouldn't be hanging around in one spot too much anyways, so as you make your way around the arena just pick up health/armor you run over

[frail bloom]

But y'know doom

Also good if you know the layout of the arena

And know what you need

Know where the pickups are and when to pick them up

[cerulean pagoda]

same for me

[frail bloom]

Ofc this is second nature you don't have to mastermind your way through

It'll come naturally

[cerulean pagoda]

it keeps you a lot closer to the action

[green estuary]

forced glory kills are really fun on lower difficulties but they're incredibly annoying on higher difficulties

[frail bloom]

They're sorta forced

Sorta

If you need to close the gap with a shieldbash, 50% chance you hit a glorykill

[green estuary]

I'm talking eternal/2016

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

Idk I'm fine with em

[green estuary]

the only times you can't control whether you go into an animation in tda is when you shield bash from elevation

and even then the animations aren't very long

[frail bloom]

They should have the glory kill mechanic built up in some meter

[inner wigeon]

Enemies with big shields can have their shields heated and broken with a shield throw to give armor

[frail bloom]

Melee execute a demon like 5 times and you unlock the ability to glory kill when you want to

And doing it gives bonus benefits

Like extra speed and strength

Maybe faltering demons around you

Smt to consider

[green estuary]

honestly I'd rather all significance be removed from glory kills

[frail bloom]

Ppl like them cuz they're cinematic and reaally make compilations cool

Idk I'd keep them if they can work

Just me

Not this game obv

But maybe next game

They would be optional ofc

[green estuary]

my only gripe is that they made berserk lame

[sage schooner]

I would like invincibility frames for melee executions, not just the glory kills.

[frail bloom]

Ye ugh

Don't like what they did

[green estuary]

that would be a hell of a time to add a bunch of ripping and tearing but apparently they just give us infinite ammo and a damage boost

[frail bloom]

Ye it's pretty lame

I actively avoid those

They make arenas too easy anyway

There was a komodo and tyrant duo on resurrection but I used the berserk by accident

They died in like 10 seconds

And it's not cinematic

Ye that was def an L

[green estuary]

biggest dissapointment in the game for me

[frail bloom]

Honestly I agree with you

Would be a really good way to appease both crowds

[green estuary]

not to say that there were many dissapointments, but it was such a blown opportunity

[frail bloom]

Add some flavor to your game

Completely optional

But super cool

[solid nacelle]

Crazy that it doesn't even make your fists one shot

[frail bloom]

It's just really weird

I just dreadmace forever

[green estuary]

yeah you just kinda run around with the ravager or whatever and hold down mouse1

[frail bloom]

It just feels braindead

Atleast make it look cool like traditional berserk

But it doesn't even look appealing

So usually I skip it

Unless I'm forced

[green estuary]

I habitually skipped powerups in 2016/eternal because they tended to trivialize fights
except for berserk, because tearing demons apart with my bare hands was too good to pass up

now berserk is just a generic powerup

[solid nacelle]

It's weird cause it sounds like they made full on glory kills that used to be in the game, of course taken out to improve the flow of combat, but I feel like berserk would be a perfect opportunity to have those in there

For the short window

[green estuary]

right
combat in berserk mode doesn't need to flow

[frail bloom]

Ye I don't understand the choice either

[green estuary]

it just needs to be violent

[frail bloom]

Berserk is for the most part optional

And it's a good way to include those cinematic glorykills ppl want

Idk maybe they didn't have enough time?

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

It just feels weird that they mixed haste, quad and berserk all at once

[green estuary]

bullshit

[frail bloom]

Well what am I gonna call them lazy

[green estuary]

no, I just think they made a bad decision

[frail bloom]

Ye it's prob the overcorrecting mindset

Staple of ID

Sad

I'd want to say that I'd like to see traditional berserk in dlc

But y'know I don't know what they're gonna add

[green estuary]

yeah not gonna happen

[harsh egret]

Why wouldn't it

[frail bloom]

But y'know smt to consider for the next game

Animations take a while

18 demons?

For dlc?

[harsh egret]

I can see them not doing that for dlc sure, but i also can tbh

[green estuary]

well adding actual berserk in the DLC but leaving the boring ahh infinite ammo powerup in the base game would certainly be a...decision

one that would piss many people off

[frail bloom]

Ye

[harsh egret]

If u have it in dlc then just change it also for the base game no?

[frail bloom]

"You're telling me you coulda done this the whole time"

Never hear the end of it

[frail bloom]

I think that's a good idea

No one is gonna miss the berserk we have lol

I'm 90% sure

[green estuary]

exactly
which there is a near-zero chance of happening

[harsh egret]

If they dont add it to the dlc to begin with, thats fine as well.

[frail bloom]

Ye I'd maybe wait for that sorta stuff next game

[harsh egret]

Of it being added to dlc u mean?

[green estuary]

yes

[frail bloom]

They always look at feedback

[green estuary]

right

[frail bloom]

I bet their next game is gonna be the best of both worlds

[green estuary]

but they don't even have all the animations required for berserk in the actual game

[frail bloom]

They're gonna find a way to put those cinematic kills in

[harsh egret]

If they will be doing that for dlc, they already have that in the plans or they already are done with it.

[green estuary]

I really wish they would've committed to giving tda the support they gave eternal

[harsh egret]

They arent gonna be like hmm guys lets add animations for every single enemy for the berserk and then make sure its flawless both in dlc and main game guys

[frail bloom]

Ye they wouldn't do that

[harsh egret]

U just said they would find a way to do that

[frail bloom]

Next game

Like in 5 years

[harsh egret]

Ah

[frail bloom]

Ye for now lets just stick with what we got

Flows better

Until they figure it out they can improve the experience we already have

[frail bloom]

Wdym

[harsh egret]

Sounds like thats the goal of the dlc

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm excited

But we won't hear anything for a while

[green estuary]

I mean they've already said they're only gonna make 1 dlc (obviously it'll be bigger than TAG's individual DLCs)
but there certainly wasn't already talk of the next game at this time in eternal's life cycle

[frail bloom]

No they talked abt the next game

[uneven dragon]

cant wait for tda's dlc i know it's gonna be banging

[frail bloom]

During eternal

I ain't pinging horde

Lemme find the message

[green estuary]

not the developers themselves
and surely not just 4 months after release

[harsh egret]

Yh more so on concepts

I wonder what point in development that marauder footage thing was, would be cool to know

[frail bloom]

4

#the-dark-ages message

This was in 2020

During the exultia stream

[harsh egret]

Katsu's point still stands tbf

[frail bloom]

Ye I know

But what I'm saying

[harsh egret]

For all we know they might have an idea for the game even AFTER that

[green estuary]

well I wasn't aware of this
but also that was a full 9 months after initial release, and also after TAG 1 release

[frail bloom]

Actually nvm

[harsh egret]

Hugo can go home and write about the lore for the next 20 years of doom games, wouldn't call that early development

[green estuary]

I just feel like there's way more talk of a future game than there has any right to be

[frail bloom]

I mean

[harsh egret]

I don't feel that way

[frail bloom]

So far they talked abt samurai doom

[harsh egret]

Pretty normal at this point

[frail bloom]

And making more medieval dooms

And they only said this bc ppl wanted to cram all the story beats in one dlc

Like the geniuses they are

[harsh egret]

Also what did they really say about the next game that's not just lore stuff

[frail bloom]

Ye nothing abt the feel of the game

[harsh egret]

It will be another medieval doom, thats like... it?

[green estuary]

maybe

[frail bloom]

In terms of support

Too early

Ofc it feels long

[idle elk]

I hope not

[harsh egret]

Why not

[frail bloom]

But is a year that long

We'll get dlc in feb prob

And some stuff after

Prob the master level campaign that they entertained

I guess Ripatorium 2.0 is after dlc also

Ofc that's long

[green estuary]

damn I got a witchfire update in december, then a tda dlc announcement

[frail bloom]

Ofc we're speculating

[green estuary]

2026 is gonna be a fun year for games I like

[frail bloom]

But the time line is timelining

It just makes sense

[harsh egret]

Makes no sense to announce the dlc any other place but at tga imo

[green estuary]

also, obligatory witchfire shoutout
saw devo playing it and thought it looked fun
bought it and have like 70 hours already--absolutely amazing game

[frail bloom]

Anything devo plays is gold

[harsh egret]

Yh was watching him play it too but i got too many games and college on my plate

[frail bloom]

Rightful glaze

[green estuary]

I'm playing D1 tennis while getting my master's in computer science at the same time lmao

[harsh egret]

I don't feel bad not playing those types of games tho cuz they will keep getting updates and it will be in an even better state when i do play it

[green estuary]

I be multitasking like crazy

[frail bloom]

Ye I did crash out a lil when I heard the possiblity that we might get nothing until dlc

But I went through the 5 stages of grief

Now I'm in acceptance

[harsh egret]

I think they r done with master campaign ngl

[frail bloom]

Kinda fast don't you think

They took 9 months for sgn back in ete4nal

[green estuary]

covid

[harsh egret]

Fk knows maybe they already worked on master campaign before release even, so nah

[frail bloom]

Ofc during covid

But like, 22 levels and one is a huge difference

[green estuary]

also eternal did release with 2 "master levels"

[harsh egret]

Yh can we stop comparig this to covid times lmao

[frail bloom]

I know

But one level compared to 22 is a lot

That's a considerable amount

[green estuary]

the sgn master level felt hastily thrown together on initial release
I doubt they spent that much time on it

[harsh egret]

Totally feasible imo

[frail bloom]

Plus they did say that they're focusing on dlc

And that updates are gonna be slow

So they're post-poning?

[harsh egret]

Yh, hence why master campaign is prob done when Hugo says "master levels r on the way" in freaking may or whatever lol

[frail bloom]

Well when should it release then

It's been 4 months

[harsh egret]

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-master-oogway-i-dont-know-gif-22592197

[harsh egret]

These questions

[frail bloom]

Ye idk either

[harsh egret]

October or november man

[frail bloom]

I'd say after dlc

[harsh egret]

It makes sense schedule wise

[frail bloom]

Well I thought that too

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-drunk-shocked-surprised-gif-15546336

[harsh egret]

Then announce dlc and then release dlc and then some final update to stuff and then adios

[frail bloom]

Until they said we might get nothing

[harsh egret]

Fkin hell

[green estuary]

bruh if we don't get anything until dlc release I might crash out

[harsh egret]

We will.

[green estuary]

maybe that's impatient but idk

[frail bloom]

Oh so when I'm all cool and chill I'm the bad guy

But Horde chewed me out for like 30 min

I was spit out a new man

Now I'm like Hato

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[harsh egret]

Reformed, wow

[green estuary]

there's a difference between saying "I'm gonna crash out" once and ranting about it for multiple messages on end all the time lmao

[frail bloom]

That's right +100 wisdom points

[harsh egret]

Ur turn katsu

[frail bloom]

That is crashing out

[harsh egret]

Also yall gotta believe in that we r getting master campaign this year

[frail bloom]

I just made it reaaalllyy apparent

[green estuary]

no, I'm saying there's a difference between me saying "I might crash out" and you actually crashing out

[frail bloom]

I want to

But the way they said it

They looked dissapointed too

[harsh egret]

I been saying they r working on master campaign for a while now, i thought that was obvious tbh.
Its now confirmed pretty much, and i think its also obvious it comes out this year.

If it doesnt u can cook me all u want but it will. Anyway.

[frail bloom]

No it's def coming out

Not disputing that

[harsh egret]

This year i said

[frail bloom]

I can maaaybe see that in november

Maybe

But that's prob all they can release really

[harsh egret]

Call me crazy i can see that in October

[frail bloom]

Well it would be fitting

Halloweeeeeeen

But November is an extra month

[harsh egret]

Can't see the corelation but ye

[frail bloom]

Which is good for developing

[frail bloom]

Demons, Halloween, spooky

[harsh egret]

Yh developing updates that they said they aren't working on.

[frail bloom]

Gosh

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[frail bloom]

No no no I just mean that I rather them havean extra month

For fixing bugs and cleaning up some stuff

We've been having too much bug fixes

[harsh egret]

Now tell me where in the stream they said they slowed down on updates and stuff

I wanna see exactly what they said

Cuz i prob missed it

Is it during the intro or what

[frail bloom]

I ain't looking for it

Sorry

Y'know what hol on

[idle elk]

trust

[frail bloom]

Hol on it's gonna take some time

His gameplay is wack

Lol

Wait

[frail bloom]

@warm ibex sorry for bothering you but this is for Hato. I'm looking at timestamp 49:00 but Hugo never talks abt slowing things down, I think he says " we can't update the game sas often as we are", that's pretty much the same thing yeah

@harsh egret anyways look at 49:00

[harsh egret]

Right so idk if its just me but im not corelating what he said at all with having less major updates, i think he strictly means smaller updates they did before, they will focus on major updates, so like Update 3 with master campaign

So like they cant just for example add the rune swap in a small update, they r shifting away focus from stuff thats not important to dlc/after dlc

I kinda suspected something didn't make sense here lmao

[warm ibex]

slowing things down was a direct thing from hugo

here's the note I took "They aren’t updating the game as much because they’re focusing hardcore on the DLC at the moment. Things like melee/rune swap and Ripatorium 2.0 will likely come very close to the DLC or even after it so they can remain focused on the important stuff."

[harsh egret]

That makes sense, was just more so thinking about the next major update with the master campaign, and watching hugo talk about that i didnt get the imporession that they arent releasing that between now and dlc

Major stuff still coming now, less important stuff is for around dlc

[warm ibex]

I believe I said this earlier, but to reiterate since it's relevant - Hugo once again stated that the melee/rune swap is releasing closer to the DLC and he previously mentioned that Ripatorium 2.0 will drop close to the swap update

so sounds like both are coming later down the road

[warm ibex]

that's not really the impression I got, but I'm honestly not too interested in hyperanalyzing hugo's commentary to prove it's releasing before or after the DLC. It'll get here when it gets here and that's good enough for me

I'd prefer to believe it's coming in a few months and then be surprised if it releases any sooner

[harsh egret]

That's fair

[green estuary]

the cycler is so good man

has nearly the dps of the accelerator but has so much crowd control it's hard to believe

[topaz oasis]

the thing I like the most about the cycler is the range

really good to fight annoying enemies from afar

[meager spindle]

Doom TDA on steam deck is actually fire
I've been doing my first playthrough of the game on my steam deck and so far have beaten level 20. It runs a lot better than you would think, it does run at 25 fps and it's a little blurry but it's still very playable and enjoyable and I've never really seen any lag spikes, the cutscenes are a little bug with things not loading in right away and then being a little choppy, but the game play is really good for it running natively on the go, I got a say it runs better then 2016 on switch || I've never played eternal on switch so idk ||

[warm ibex]

I've been told that TDA can't run on the deck due to the RTX, what's up with that?

[meager spindle]

Idk just because a game says unsupported does not mean it won't run

[meager vortex]

steam deck cant play tda

[meager spindle]

Maybe my steam deck is built different

[green estuary]

well clearly it can
because there's also a guy in the modding server who plays it on his steam deck

[silver pivot]

I have a razer laptop, but it won't run TDA. Do you have any suggestions for budget computers that could run it?

[green estuary]

literally anything with an nvidia 30/40/50 series card

[silver pivot]

Thanks

[green estuary]

I have a lenovo legion with a 4060

[austere nacelle]

slim 5 14 OLED?

[green estuary]

it's a 16 inch, and it's not a slim

but it is a legion 5

[austere nacelle]

Ah I see, so IPS display I reckon?

[green estuary]

actually not sure

[fleet spruce]

Fellow handheld PC enjoyer

[fleet spruce]

It can but it's like bare minimum

[coral cove]

Hey i have a question, has anyone here been playing dark ages on a 9070xt? I wanna see if the performance is worth

[cursive grotto]

Can you grind infinite gold on dragon levels by just flying around and constantly killing hellships

Or do they stop spawning after a while

[fluid dust]

Gold is a set amount. Cannot be grinded

[unreal lagoon]

is chapter 5 bugged? idk why it says i'm at 8/9 secret areas https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/387829422188920853/1421449830768709683/image.png?ex=68d913d0&is=68d7c250&hm=135de7483d85cc60c6bb4907fea8ae1f86a9f23faaf724a760b343512a442ca7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2176&height=1224

i have all the collectibles and completed the chapter challenges too

nvm, it was gold in the first secret landing area

[heady mica]

missing one gold bar....

NEED muh 100% level completion...

[idle elk]

Well thats going to be a pain when doing an UN 100% run

[frail bloom]

Ye so basically they reaaallly gotta focus on dlc rn and they "might" release that master level campaign in december or after the dlc

But it's alr

[harsh egret]

they will before

u can quote me on that

[frail bloom]

I said "might"

But it's gonna be like from June to January

Or August 2024 from January 2025 since quakecon happened

[harsh egret]

Wut

[frail bloom]

From Aug 24 to January was quakecon and then the dev direct

Which was a looong time

You remember right

[harsh egret]

yh i just dont know what that has to do with this

[frail bloom]

Bruh

I'm saying that it's like the time we got basically nothing

Like no info or nothing

Ofc it's not exactly like that but it's gonna be similar

[harsh egret]

Idk how we are gonna get nothing

[frail bloom]

Just expect it

I'm expecting it

[harsh egret]

When we are getting streams, updates every 2-3 months, dlc announcement and then dlc itself

[frail bloom]

Well streams are where they just play the campaign

They might not say anything large

[harsh egret]

Like already its just over 2 months til tga and theres still streams going on

Shit will come when it will come, but i firmly believe we are getting another major update before tga

Anyway

[heady mica]

I would've had this done if I remembered the challenges for gold

I just finished a second UN run (after my first got softlocked at the tail end)

[frail bloom]

Ye it's not as long of a wait

I'm just saying that we've had longer waits

So nothing to really worry abt

So they're doing harbor of souls next time

Is it with another level

Or just harbor of souls

If they do that 3 cyberdemon secret it won't take long

Prob like 3 min for them

There's like 4 levels left

[heady mica]

harbor of souls was a fun level

[frail bloom]

What's y'alls top 3 levels

Mine's

1. Holy city
2. Sentinel Barracks
3. Khalim

[harsh egret]

the overanalysis is crazy

[frail bloom]

They're not that hard

Hugo likes grenade launchers anyway

Which do actually help in that case

He'll do it no sweat

Or if it's a bad day he'll take like 10 min

Is anyone looking for secret encounters now

Because we found 2 so far and Josh mentioned a third

The agaddon hunter in siege or whatever

Or maybe he's trolling

Payback for the daisy scandal

[harsh egret]

I just meant analyzing how long that encounter takes lol, they will play a level probably yes and then thats that, not that deep

[frail bloom]

Ye I was guessing for fun

Go back to playing Valorant or smt

Anyways

Who's willing to go find that agaddon

[green estuary]

Forsaken plains, belly of the beast, resurrection

[frail bloom]

I think I am, would add 10 hrs to my total time

[frail bloom]

These are also very good picks

Resurrection has the best gameplay

Forsaken plains is a very chill level

Belly of the beast has crazy gameplay also

And what lies below so it's a sleeper hit

What do y'all think

Is josh trolling us with the secret agaddon in siege

We must form a crusade

And look for it

#videos message

Archie animation goin good

[merry jackal]

any new updates i havent played since 3 months

like major updates

[delicate grotto]

There was 1 big update that came out about 5-6 weeks after the game released. Updated a ton of encounters in the campaign, added some QOL changes, introduced v1.0 of the Ripatorium mode which lets you customize wave encounters.

Among other small changes

[midnight cedar]

I remember there being an aggadon in siege part 1

But that was during the developer direct

[frail bloom]

Ye I remember that too

Was he talking abt that?

[midnight cedar]

It’s possible

But at the same time a lot of things from the developer direct are outdated

So don’t count on it

[frail bloom]

#videos message

[spare panther]

Ive encountered it before after drestroying all the portal then going back to the start

scared the fuck outta me

[frail bloom]

Oh my ok thanks

Wait

Where's the start

[spare panther]

Where you first jump down from the castle after getting the flail

with the sentinel shrine

[frail bloom]

But I never encountered it

[spare panther]

Ive only encountered it once

[frail bloom]

Does it spawn near the shrine

[spare panther]

Yes around where the arachnotron spawns in the first fight

[frail bloom]

Hmmmmm

I feeeeel like I'm being trolled

But hey I'll try it

[spare panther]

no i swear

[frail bloom]

I'll see abt it

[spare panther]

i think its like auper rare becuase i backtrack there most playthroughs and ive only seen it once

there might be more you need to do to spawn it but idk

[frail bloom]

Ok I'll see to it

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-running-shield-gif-9421503152433868450

I remember when I saw this

I thought the slayer was in the titans realm

And that he was gonna fight the champion titan

I had no idea how the lore actually went

Guys

Imma try the secret encounter now

With the flail

Watch me solo

[young juniper]

One question guys how much time did it get u to finish the game I've played 30 hours and im still in chapter 8 I think

[frail bloom]

Like 20 hrs

Second playthrough took me 14

[young juniper]

I don't know how but it's still on 30 hours I think

[meager vortex]

played 30hour and chapter8????? what the?

[young juniper]

Yeah I've been seeing on hltb that it's 20 and 25 hours and I'm yet on chapter 8 and 30 hours on I've got not a single idea how

[meager vortex]

i can play 20hour ending

maybe you are busy or not focus tda

i was remove save and play again 10 times

[solid nacelle]

It took me under 20 hours to get all the achievements

[meager vortex]

and im waiting NG+

[solid nacelle]

Ditto

[meager vortex]

because i can make a save and play again but if NG+ come save not deleted

[frail bloom]

Oh my god

WHAT IS THIS CHECKPOINT

If you die you have to do the whole process of finding the buttons again

[untold igloo]

the ripatorium goes hard

[solid nacelle]

It almost felt like I spent more time doing that than the actual fight

[frail bloom]

Ye I gave up when the game crashed

Don't wanna do the level again to do the secret

[solid nacelle]

I just turn down the sliders to the easiest possible setting to get to the fight quickly

[solar cairn]

Every day I pray that the dlc will come out faster

[frank turtle]

any info on what the next update will be?

[frail bloom]

What does that have to do with the topic at hand

And why would you want the dlc to come out faster

Don't you see how locked in Hugo and Josh is

They need time

[frail bloom]

I'm afraid not

[solar cairn]

A I’m Hugo NextPatchinson

[frail bloom]

I don't think I would call the dlc release a patch

Give it time

Infact they're pushing patches aside for the dlc

[hard thistle]

Is there a chance of any multiplayer modes on the dark ages?

[frail bloom]

No

[solid nacelle]

You can expect sharable community presets for the ripatorium but there will be no traditional multiplayer

[scenic lichen]

Def not

And I hope not

[frail bloom]

It wooooouuld be cool iiif they had the resources to make a ripatorium multiplayer

But I know Hugo and his team are going through a rough patch trying to make this dlc for us

And the other modes

So let em cook

[hard thistle]

Ok, thanks

[rocky glacier]

I love Infernal Chasm

[next thistle]

Ultra secret encounter on BotB was easy with 3 BFCs, Dreadmace, and fully upgraded Heaven Splitter 😂😂

[topaz oasis]

Now do it no BFC

[next thistle]

Lol I'm old with below average skill, I'd be cooked right away 😂😂

[wintry nexus]

Did they confirm community presets

[rocky glacier]

Also, I love how the music between the three NuDoom has evolved from Industrial to metal. For example:

Doom 2016 (80% Industrial/20% Metal) > Doom Eternal: (A state in between Metal and Industrial) > Doom TDA: (80% Metal/20% Industrial)

[solar cairn]

Sharing

[wintry nexus]

?

[harsh egret]

i think they confirmed they will add some way of sharing presets

i think

[frail bloom]

No they def did

They said they found a way doing it through console too

Which implies they already know how to implement it on Pc

We just don't know when, or after dlc prob

[frail bloom]

Yup that's how it is now

It's also more orchestral now

[rocky glacier]

I honestly liked the way it was made and how it sounds, counting the context in which the game is set

[frail bloom]

Mhm

[solid nacelle]

Right here
9:00 minutes in
https://youtu.be/HVTSk32Szh8?t=8m59s

[wintry nexus]

Tysmmm!

[rocky glacier]

The thing I wished for the TDA soundtrack, tought, is that there were more references to Doom 64

[frail bloom]

They have the main theme

In Atlan Battlegrounds

[rocky glacier]

I know that and it's so great

But I just wish there was more of it, espetially on the ambient tracks

[frail bloom]

Tbh I don't know any other track from 64

I know one has babies crying

It's more ambient oriented

[rocky glacier]

Doom 64 itself has already some of the most disturbing and brainfucking ambient tracks in any Doom game, so it would have been cool if this new Doom had started to lean to a more dark and gritty sound, that makes you uncomfortable and a bit scared while playing a game that, if it didn't had all those boombastic elements, it would be considered a very disturbing game to play

[frail bloom]

Well see, that last sentence

This game wasn't disturbing at all

Doom should have some of that more

Maybe in the dlc

They might take it a more darker direction

But I hope at the same time they add more comedy bits

There was like only two

[rocky glacier]

Maybe I just gone a little too deep about that

Doom has so over the top gore that becomes even funny at time. But I always seen Doom as a franchise that has so much potential to displaying horror and stuff

[frail bloom]

Well it has like three times

64, D3 and 2016

[harsh egret]

i think at some point they could make a game like that again that has similar vibes to d46

[frail bloom]

Plus Hugo loves 64

His fav of the classics

[rocky glacier]

Man, if the next Doom results to be a horror game experience, we are going to repeat the cycle

Doom 1993 = Doom 2016
Doom II = Doom Eternal
Doom 64 = Doom: The Dark Ages

[frail bloom]

I mean it's kinda like that

[rocky glacier]

There is truly a possibility that we could get a modern equvialent of Doom 3

[frail bloom]

In terms of color palette

[green estuary]

tbh 2016/eternal don't have much in common with doom 1/2 except the fact that you're doomguy and you kill a bunch of demons

[frail bloom]

And genrral vibes

[frail bloom]

In 2016 the final boss was the mastermind and everything was a bit more consistent with tone, in eternal it was silly and bombastic and the final boss was the icon like D2

If anything dark ages is kinda its own thing

Not very similar in any form to 64

Except the color palette

Plus y'know

Doom 2016 is on a mars base and hell

Eternal is on earth and hell

[frail bloom]

Except in gameplay

[rocky glacier]

We gotta remember how Doom TDA follow the events of Doom 64, after the Night Sentinels found Doom Guy at the very end of the expansion from the re-release

[frail bloom]

Ye but that's not shown

[rocky glacier]

That's probably true

[frail bloom]

But in terms of aesthetic?

By all means

I wanna keep my crackhead gameplay

[rocky glacier]

That's understandable

[frail bloom]

And I've played half through D3

I like it for what it is, and I do think it's Doom enough

But its gameplay put in a modern title in the 2020's just seems so wrong

[rocky glacier]

Well, Doom's incredibly frenetic style has become so iconic that is something you cannot throw away nowdays

[frail bloom]

Yup

[rocky glacier]

But honestly, it wouldn't mind if one day they decides to get more sperimental with the series and to create a title that would respect what the old Id folks from the 90's had in mind

[frail bloom]

Old Id wanted an open world game

With like 4 characters to follow

But tech was too limited

[rocky glacier]

Hail the Doom Bible

[frail bloom]

Yerp

[wheat sigil]

luckily

[frail bloom]

I was abt to say

And y'know Romero fw modern Id

Sandy not so much

Same with Carmac

To each their own

Not sure abt the others

[rocky glacier]

Welp, If anyone would like to experience what Doom was originally intended to be, there is a mod called Doom Delta that incorporates all the scraped concepts in the game for better or worse

[frail bloom]

I think I'll pass

Where muh rip and tear

[rocky glacier]

I mean, there's a LOT of rip and tear even in there

[uneven dragon]

well tbf Doom 3 is a reimagining of Doom 1993

it just ended up not having any sequels so we didn't get Doom 4 and etc

[meager spindle]

As of now I have finally beaten the dark ages and every mainline doom game and it's a solid 8/10 definitely the weaker of the 3 "modern" doom games with imo 2016 being the best, but Id still cooked with this game and I loved how this game has a perfect balance of story telling to gameplay and had a perfect length not to long not too short, didn't over stay it's welcome, I do think the removal of glory kills did impact this game because in past games the glory kills made it so you could get a nice close up of the demons while in here they're just piles of meat before you know it. I do like how the game at the end || pulled a doom 64 and the slayer trapped himself in hell to continuously rip and tear ||, but overall a really good and fun game.

[cerulean pagoda]

nice to know you liked it

[frail bloom]

Glad you enjoyed it

I think it's the 2nd best, with 2016 first

When dlc releases it's gonna shoot up

[cerulean pagoda]

for me its the second best in the trilogy with eternal being at first

[frail bloom]

Ye there's a doom game for everyone

But oh boooii when that dlc comes up

[cerulean pagoda]

i will devour the dlc as soon as it comes out

[scenic lichen]

does anyone here have a bug with siege p1 with the vagary guarding the breakable wolf statues

[topaz oasis]

I will never understand people that prefer 2016 over dark ages, like dark ages is literally 2016 but better in every single aspect, actual content and replayability, actual weapon and difficulty balance and without all the grindy stuff that made 2016 annoying like the rune challenges or weapon masteries

[scenic lichen]

every time i kill this vagary the arena gets stuck summoning fodder endlessly

and i cant break the wolf statues

[fervent maple]

I like 2016 more esthetically and story wise

[scenic lichen]

i tried reloading checkpoints

[fervent maple]

I think it's the least interesting of the three gameplay wise, but I also don't play most games solely for the gameplay

It's what I think of when I think "Doom"

Plus the original games

[topaz oasis]

Hold on, 2016 had a story?

[hearty edge]

Oh no not the icon of sin

[fervent maple]

It at least didn't pretend to have one like the new ones do, and I'm saying that as someone who loved the lore

[hearty edge]

It's honestly my favorite's from the 3

[green estuary]

mostly comes down to vibes
a game can have objectively better graphics, a more refined combat loop, more enemy variety, etc but you can still like it less than another game

[frail bloom]

No no I agree

But 2016's aesthetic

And how chill it is

It just won me over idk

[green estuary]

obviously eternal is a straight up improvement over 2016's gameplay, yet I still like playing 2016 more

[fervent maple]

Eternal and Dark Ages feel like you just got into a tv show halfway through

[hearty edge]

I can understand them

[topaz oasis]

lol true

[fervent maple]

2016 feels like a bare bones sci fi film

[hearty edge]

Every game from the trilogy is great and when I think 2016 I just feel like wow ts so cool

[frail bloom]

But yeah Doom 2016 was actually had self awareness of its story

I really liked that aspect

[hearty edge]

Well eternal too specially with mars core

[frail bloom]

Dark ages has some cool ideas but it's toooooo serious

[hearty edge]

Ya

[frail bloom]

To the point where nothing is fun anymore

It's all aura farming

We can't have "fun" moments

A bit of an overcorrection imo

[hearty edge]

Although the end of belly of the beast and the beginning of harbor of souls have every right to

[fervent maple]

2016 took its world seriously but its main character was a punchline. It's not that it has no story or doesn't care about it, it's that the main character knows all the twists and turns are full of shit

[frail bloom]

Well duh

All stories have serious moments

But dark ages in particulary treats itself like the next masterpiece

It's not even saturday cartoon worthy

Bc those are funny and witty

[fervent maple]

Eternal is irreverent at every turn for everything that isn't doomguy, as if it doesn't trust you to think he's cool so it has to really hammer it home every two seconds, like an 80s cartoon

[hearty edge]

I still remember the whole level where the slayer shuts down the argent tower while Samuel is losing it in the back

[topaz oasis]

I feel the story in any of the 3 games is utter bollocks, so I just judge them by their gameplay elements and replayability

[frail bloom]

But yeah 2016 handled the way it told story the best

[green estuary]

I mean
just because the story doesn't openly laugh at itself doesn't mean it expects you to treat it as gospel

[frail bloom]

The actual content of the story is barebones

[green estuary]

it's not just one or the other

[hearty edge]

By replayability eternal wins

[green estuary]

yeah, cuz more content and mods
not necessarily because the game is inherently more replayable

[topaz oasis]

Not sure about that tbh

[fervent maple]

It is objectively trash in all of them, but the latter two games especially have an issue with cohesion and tone

[hearty edge]

Well I do have to say eternal is the one I've played the least I think

But the gameplay offers a lot for experimentation

[fervent maple]

It's not just that they're not serious or confusing, it's that they can't make up their minds about how seriously you are supposed to take them

[frail bloom]

Yes but just review the story for a sec. Nothing is light hearted, there's no moment to connect with a character besides Doomguy, 90% of the scenes are aura farming, lack luster dialogue and execution. It has the foundation but ultimately ideas aren't worth squat if you don't execute them well

[fervent maple]

Because if they didn't care about the story, they wouldn't put so much effort into it and market it

[frail bloom]

And this was marketed as a pillar of the game

Ofc no one expected a master piece

But this one in particular took itself way too serious at times

[fervent maple]

They evidently do not abide by the idea that a story doesn't matter for doom, and especially dark ages deserves criticism for it, for marketing it as something bigger than it is

[frail bloom]

Hurts rewatchability

[hearty edge]

Love how the first couple of levels in eternal are somewhat serious and then mars core is utter madness

[frail bloom]

There's too much, which is eternal

And there's too little, which is dark ages

2016 is just right

[fervent maple]

I'd have preferred if it was insane from the get go instead of dancing around this super serious world, they clearly wanna do the former instead

[green estuary]

eternal's story both laughs at itself and expects you to take it seriously

[hearty edge]

Yea

[frail bloom]

Ye it's a step down from 2016

I don't think it's better than dark ages either

[hearty edge]

2016 does kinaa do both but the change between them is less drastic

[fervent maple]

Mars Core should have been the second or third mission instead of the seventh

[frail bloom]

But both eternal and dark ages are a tier down when compared to 2016

Like not even in the same tier

[hearty edge]

Due to context I feel it should be the 7th but it's tone should have come earlier

[green estuary]

I disagree, because 2016 didn't let you skip cutscenes

[fervent maple]

Fair, yes

[frail bloom]

Ye but that is a qol feature, not a part of the actual story line

[topaz oasis]

The thing with eternal imo is that once you master the game, there's not really a whole lot of content that feels fun to replay anymore, this of course coming from the perspective of a console player that doesnt have access to modded content and can pretty much only replay the same 4 master levels over and over at this point

[fervent maple]

I wish they'd do it like a mix of half life and the newer resident evil games, like the story and world are mostly seamless but you can skip any of the slow moments

[frail bloom]

I think it's bad to say you can just skip a story if it's bad. Sure it's helpful but that doesn't fix the story

[green estuary]

aren't there level mods on the mod loader?

[topaz oasis]

In dark ages I can mess with the sliders, go Hell Mode and have a lot of fun throughout the entire game countless times

[frail bloom]

The day I don't skip any cutscene in a doom game is the day they made an awesome story

[hearty edge]

Like the opening cutscene can stay the same but when the gameplay has exploding demon pinatas and mystery boxes the cutscenes shouldn't be serious

[green estuary]

well
there's not a single game that I've ever played where I don't skip the cutscenes on repeat playthroughs

[frail bloom]

I always liked the idea of watching smt and then interacting with the world after, y'know as smt to pump me up

[fervent maple]

I think dark ages especially is a good case study, not of anything good or bad, but rather how important it is to understand what people are looking for in a game. I've only ever seen fighting games have this degree of polarizing but not negative reception before

[frail bloom]

Like the perfect balance

[fervent maple]

Everyone can simultaneously enjoy the same game because it's so customizable, but everyone is also expecting something different from

I dunno, older titles? But with a degree of familiarity too

It's so bizarre

I can't quite put my finger on how this game landed with me beyond "I thought it was cool as fuck and it was fun"

[green estuary]

frankly I think the only two differences between 2016's story and TDA's story is scope and presentation
neither are particularly complicated (2016 you hop back in between mars and hell trying to catch olivia pierce, tda you hop around a few more locations trying to stop ahzrak from getting the heart of argent and then to track him down and kill him)
except in 2016, the story feels less all-encompassing since it's kinda just about a portal on mars, while tda has this grand scale applied to everything
and TDA puts more of the emphasis on the story, while 2016 kinda just lets it sit in the background and doesn't require you to really engage with it to understand

[frail bloom]

Ye it's a big hell yeah factory

[frail bloom]

I will say

There is a shocking amt of people who somehow hav eno idea what happens in dark ages at all

[fervent maple]

Because I'm not interested in tech or honing my skills in a game so much as I am interested in how each element weaves together to really show you something special

[frail bloom]

For example

Raitro keeps asking what Ahzraks motivations are

Why is he invading Argent D'nur?

[green estuary]

that's because people are idiots
you don't even have to read the frickin codexes to understand anything
literally just listen to the cutscenes and it explains itself to you

[frail bloom]

Like what the hell do you not understand

[topaz oasis]

I loved both dark ages and eternal, I'd give both games a solid 9/10 but dont ask me about 2016

[fervent maple]

Even though Eternal theoretically has an endpoint, the concept of earning your power fantasy and mastering a combat loop in order to make you understand why doomguy is so insanely powerful just speaks to me. Even if the story blows, it also wants to show that through its cutscenes

[frail bloom]

He's a demon he's invading for land to grow hell

[topaz oasis]

I dont like 2016

[green estuary]

[frail bloom]

Anyways gotta eep

Gn y'all

[green estuary]

gn

[fervent maple]

Gn!

[green estuary]

although tbf 2016 on nightmare is an unbalanced mess

[topaz oasis]

Night night, sleep tight, fellow slayer

[fervent maple]

I might be biased because I was like 9 years younger, but I think of 2016 the same way I think of half life 1

[topaz oasis]

2016 on NM/UN is horrible

[green estuary]

2016 will go down as an all time classic

[fervent maple]

It's not as good as its sequels, but I find it to be the best because it's the most important

Almost the same way something like RE4 did

[topaz oasis]

I just cant force myself to go back to 2016 after playing both eternal and dark ages no matter how hard I try

[green estuary]

enemies all hit like trucks, you don't have any ability to regain resources because glory kills give you dick all health and all the pickups give you jack diddly
basically you just run circles around all the early arenas and pray to RNJesus that an imp doesn't decide to activate aimbot and snipe tf out of you from 3 blocks away

that said, love the game

but my goodness

[fervent maple]

I have heard many times over the years that 2016 NM and UN were unbalanced on purpose

Like in the original games

[mystic barn]

2016 is the only modern DOOM game where I haven’t even attempted UN. I’ve done Nightmare and there’s only so many times you can listen to Rust, Dust, & Guts LC whilst dying over and over in the first room

[green estuary]

2016 does feel balanced around ultra violence

[fervent maple]

I'm pretty confident that it is

[topaz oasis]

well, whoever designed those difficulties in that game is a moron, that was not fun to go through at all lol

And dont even get me started with the bugs, the bugs man

i know id software games are buggy by nature but fuck me, 2016 sometimes felt unplayable with how buggy it was

[green estuary]

I feel like all that's needed to make 2016 much more balanced on nightmare is

1. increase glory kill health drops
2. increase armor pickup values to UV levels
3. rebalance the most busted runes to be less OP (rich get richer, ammo boost)
4. make siphon grenades only give you back armor
5. let the bfg only hold 2 shots and make ammo more scarce

that way the early game wouldn't be so absurd and the late game wouldn't be so trivialized

also they could probably afford to give barons more HP

they're kinda sad

oh and also give siege mode a longer charge up time and reduce the damage a bit

[topaz oasis]

Give Baron as much HP as you want, hell triple his HP if you feel like it, bro is still getting stunned for eternity by my stun blast and shredded to pieces by my remote det

[green estuary]

ah right stun bomb is also pretty broken
maybe nerf them against all enemies except pinkies

fuck 2016 pinkies in particular

[hearty edge]

That's something I like from resurrection

[topaz oasis]

imo the best weapon in 2016 was mastered remote det, that shit was way too powerful

[green estuary]

siege mode still clears

[topaz oasis]

Kinda sad to see how they nerfed it into nothingness in eternal

[hearty edge]

The fully mastered stun bomb can basically stun lock every demon it's not even funny

[green estuary]

I forget how good stun bomb is because I've stopped using it except against the fuckass pinkies

[hearty edge]

It's a close second but nothing will ever replace my glorious 2 hit weapon against everything siege

[hearty edge]

Yea fuck em pinkies

[green estuary]

incredibly sad
they nerfed the mod where you actually had to aim and mega-buffed the mod that aims for you

[hearty edge]

Remote det now just works for like fodder

And in 2016 it was the go to for all bosses

[green estuary]

remote det can't even gib mecha zombies now

[hearty edge]

Sad

[fervent maple]

A lot of changes in eternal felt like responses to issues in 2016

Especially some of the weapon mods

It still irks me that they specifically made it so micro missiles can't break weak points, yet nothing else in the game is like this

[green estuary]

like damn they really want us to use precision bolt huh

[hearty edge]

Well it's still the like 2nd best weapon mod so idc

[green estuary]

yeah
but micromissiles are lowk just a less ammo-efficient version of the chaingun

[topaz oasis]

I always see people saying micro missiles were goated in 2016 compared to eternal but I never really felt they were that great in either game

[green estuary]

they were good in 2016
mostly because the mastery challenge was EZ

[topaz oasis]

Tactical scope my beloved

[inner wigeon]

Micros aren’t even top 5 🫩

[unkempt dragon]

All the Doom games are good in their own right. I don't like shitting on any of them personally

[hearty edge]

I feel they're actually better in eternal cuz the weapon balance is better

[green estuary]

nah

[topaz oasis]

Nay

[green estuary]

even if the numbers were there, the opportunity cost that you're giving up on is waaay too high

because it burns through your PB/chaingun ammo and is worse than both options

[hearty edge]

Yea no I love every doom game

[topaz oasis]

I on the other hand, will shit on 2016 every day of the week

ok no, jk lol

But yeah, 2016 is really rough around the edges for me

[unkempt dragon]

if you do I will fight you every day of the week😭

Everyone ofc can have their own opinions and preferences. Some just hurt my soul🥀

[hearty edge]

Love how the heavy cannon is just pb atp

[unkempt dragon]

literally

[green estuary]

yep
terrible primary fire, one of if not the worst alternate weapon mod in the game

[topaz oasis]

Did you guys know that chaingun base fire mode does more sustained damage than micro missiles with the damage upgrade active?

[unkempt dragon]

I haven't been talking about Doom enough in the channels lately. It's not that I have nothing to say, it's just that I'm so burnt out from work and when I hop on it's mainly to moderate in General chat

[hearty edge]

I wouldn't say the worst cuz mobile turret

[green estuary]

I didn't know it for sure, but I figured

[green estuary]

mobile turret does better dps and is more ammo efficient

and the shield isn't even all that essential

[topaz oasis]

Dog, I love mobile turret in eternal but Im afraid of using it

[green estuary]

I basically only use the shield to bully pinkies

and to avoid fall damage

[topaz oasis]

Because it has a bug that makes it deal 50% less damage and the only way you can fix that bug is reloading checkpoint

[hearty edge]

Wtf fall damage

[green estuary]

really

[topaz oasis]

And I always play eternal on UN

[hearty edge]

I don't remember fall damage

[green estuary]

if you pop the shield up you don't take damage from death planes

[hearty edge]

Ahh

Like tda

[unkempt dragon]

#doom-eternal message

bruh

fr

[green estuary]

real

[green estuary]

UN just isn't really for me
it just encourages me to pull out all the cheese strats which kinda ruins the fun

and tbh I can't really stay super locked in on a video game for very long anyway

[topaz oasis]

I like playing on UN because I feel it forces me to focus and give it my best in every encounter

[hearty edge]

Chat I gotta confess something

I've only ever done a nightmare run on TDA

[topaz oasis]

When I play anything below UN on eternal, I start playing like a dumbass and doing all sorts of stupid shit

[green estuary]

whether I play on UN or not makes no difference lmao
I lose focus regardless

[green estuary]

same
pandaemonium sounds like a chore and I don't feel like doing UN

resetting the level on death just sounds like such ass, especially with how big TDA's levels are

[topaz oasis]

Man UN on dark ages was taxing

[green estuary]

imagine dying at the end of siege 1 or spire of nerathul