the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

It's prob gonna be that but a master level camapaign

Ye godzila soleoeroeoroers

[hearty edge]

I really don't understand like 99% of the complaints the game had

The music is fire

It has the best gameplay imo

[simple grail]

"GAME DIFFERENT THAN LAST ONE! BAAAAAD!"

...that's basically all it ever was.

[hearty edge]

Yea literally

[frail bloom]

I mean tbf eternal did have battlemode and 2 master levels yet dark ages had a larger and meatier camapaign, but what's stopping dark ages from having more content updates y'know

Also off topic but I feel like a Godzilla Minus one had some impact on dark ages

The music comes to mind

[simple grail]

Explain.

[hearty edge]

Wait wth

[hearty edge]

Alr sorta

[frail bloom]

Idk I listen to infernal chasm and then pray from minus one and the orchestral segments sound similar

[hearty edge]

Yea the cutscenes do have a little of that Godzilla minus one in them

[frail bloom]

Honestly they should do more of that

[simple grail]

aight i hear it

[frail bloom]

Loved minus one so I want more influence

[hearty edge]

Same

Actually chat hear me out

[frail bloom]

Also battle of the blackened tide ambience also sounds like some of the horror segments in minus one

[hardy fable]

doom the dark ages sex update

[frail bloom]

With all the sharp violins

[frail bloom]

Ok pal what is this

[hearty edge]

Dlc where Godzilla is an ancient creature from argent d nur and both the slayer and him fight king Ghidorah from the cosmic realm

[simple grail]

[frail bloom]

Ok I was thinking a godzilla-like demon

[hearty edge]

A

[frail bloom]

Not actual godzilla, cthulhu in doom isn't really cthulhu either

[simple grail]

SO HOW BOUT GODZILLA IN HELL EH?

[frail bloom]

Honestly a short collab where they fight together in a cutscene would be peak

[hearty edge]

Ye

[simple grail]

Two unstoppable forces

WHEW

[hardy fable]

im DYING for a DOOM and Helldivers II collab

[frail bloom]

He's just in the backround for most the level and then in the final cutscene they destroy a temple or smt

[hardy fable]

TDA fur coat cape would be so fucking peak

[golden wyvern]

Doom and halo 2 would be a W

[hearty edge]

Actually chat hear me out

Doom and marvel collab

[hardy fable]

marvel has been so mediocre lately i just dont get excited about anything marvel related anymore

[hearty edge]

Freaking internet

I was boutta say

The doom slayer fights dr doom

[golden wyvern]

Oh crap

[hearty edge]

What

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-doom-blade-no-gif-20875245

no

[solid nacelle]

The doom slayer when a horde of demons is approaching from behind: "Erm... they're right behind me aren't they?"

[wintry nexus]

That’s crazy

[thorny yarrow]

Man the ridiculous encounters you can make for yourself in the Ripatorium are insane.

[brazen vortex]

We talking bout godzilla and doom crossover?

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doomguy-eyebrow-raise-gif-24850898

[thorny yarrow]

I've always considered Monsterverse Godzilla and the Doom Slayer to have essentially the same sort of personality, and I think a crossover there would rock.

[brazen vortex]

Count me in, which godzilla we talking, showa, hesei, millinuem, gare goji, renwa, idw, which ones we talking?

[brazen vortex]

Eeeeeh id say its more hesei than anything, an unkillable monster of pure destruction that installs fear into those he attacks, but still has a heart. And will genuinely show emotion when hes hurt. Like with godzilla jr

Not to mention hesei fought destroyah who is bassicly a demon

https://tenor.com/view/godzillagigabash-destoryah-gif-27204325

[thorny yarrow]

I can agree with that, but it's also written into Monsterverse goji that he has been fighting with other titans and has secured his place of dominance over the course of millenia. He is an ancient godlike being in a sense, and takes no shit from anything that challenges him. Monsterverse goji also clearly shows grace to those that do help him, like in KotM, which is something the slayer does as well. He will accept help from anyone not against him.

[brazen vortex]

(He's also one of the few godzillas that could actually take on the doomverse- plus im bias, hesei is my favorite)

[thorny yarrow]

Monsterverse is mine. XD Yay we're both biased! XD

[brazen vortex]

Sweet!

Also only problem i have with Gare goji? He's uh...got a bit of an ego-

Hesei dosent have that problem per say, sure he can seem cocky, but so can doomguy

https://tenor.com/view/heisei-godzilla-1991-vs-king-ghidorah-gif-9532160

Also look at that face...terrifying dawg

Though Gare goji definitely has an intimidating look to him as well-

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-vs-kong-godzilla-laughing-laugh-smiling-gif-21392637

Especially when he shows his more...sadistic side

Which, I guess doomguy fits mv better in that case, they both get a kick outta seeing their enemy squirm

[thorny yarrow]

Only when he became King. But he has to have that now that many titans are awake and actively challenge his placement. Back in 2014 when there wasn't much going on, MV Goji became sort of lethargic and only surfaced when necessary, and also had a more clearly mellow personality. Up until the end of KotM he had to try to get back on his horse quickly. Now that he's there, his head is quite big. XD

[frail bloom]

I hope the next film actually canonizes that goji is arrogant currently after gxk and he should get a humbling

[thorny yarrow]

Frankly I'm not even sure it's arrogance so much as it is ingrained aggression from being an alpha titan.

[brazen vortex]

Thats what I hope too, cause he definitely seems cocky, too cocky for my liking, skinner hopefully either gigan or space godzilla (gooooood let it be space g) give him a humbling

[uneven mortar]

I lowkey don't feel like doing the "final battle" level, i think my replay ends here for now lol.

[brazen vortex]

Dude...he laughs at kong running- its definitely arrogance

[frail bloom]

Still, he's way too aggressive at times and his priorities aren't straight

Like fighting kong twice, really

[brazen vortex]

Bro took TWELVE HOURS just to fight kong, despite knowing what the bigger threat was, AND ENJOYED IT

[uneven mortar]

King K Rool has more aura tham Godzilla

[frail bloom]

Especially since this next film might have a godzilla son of sorts, so his character should drastically change

[brazen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-okay-lets-not-overdo-it-lets-not-overdo-it-dont-overdo-it-shrek-the-third-gif-22133661

Chill-

Showa alone out auras anyone you can think of

[uneven mortar]

Godzilla Minus One is leagues better than any of the monsterverse movies imo

[thorny yarrow]

Let's not forget he's still an animal defending his terretory. His priorities are entirely straight for the purpose he wishes to achieve. The surface world is his domain, and nothing else matters to him.

[brazen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-happy-jump-gif-14044854

[brazen vortex]

cough KONG SKULL ISLAND cough

[frail bloom]

In terms of writing yeah but gxk was very light hearted and kong as a central character felt like a good choice. You'll never get bored with him

But minus one is prob the better film

[thorny yarrow]

Let's not get into godzilla film quality. It's a pointless argument. XD

[frail bloom]

But still, hopefully with a new director we cna also hsve compelling human characters

[brazen vortex]

They also did it to have the audience connect with him, especially because they'll always have the right kong...godzilla not so much. They contract will eventually run out, so its better to get the audience attached to kong rather than godzilla

[frail bloom]

Ye almost always is, different preferences

[frail bloom]

Ye godzilla rn is kinda like doomguy where he just aura farms a lot

[brazen vortex]

All showa films clear-

[frail bloom]

Stop aura farming.

[brazen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/1-gif-6785305784567352912

Nah, its tuff asf

Let him cook with the aura farming

[thorny yarrow]

I mean, I really don't like majority of the Showa films, so I cannot share that opinion, but again different strokes.

[brazen vortex]

:0 you dare disrespect peak!?

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-godzilla-dropkick-dropkick-funny-funny-dropkick-gif-20352953

LOOK AT THIS GLORIOUSNESS

LOOK AT IT! IT CANNOT BE TOPPED

[thorny yarrow]

It's peak in a way that people other than me like. And that's perfectly fine. 🙂

Plus, I still like that gif as much as the next guy. XD

[brazen vortex]

Im joking- I know that, amd yeah most showa movies aren't good story wise (besides the original 1954 movie which i will argue to this fucking day is the best godzilla film ever)

[thorny yarrow]

54 is a masterpiece for sure.

[brazen vortex]

Like literally, every time I watch that damn movie, it gives me absolute chills, and I've watched it well over 4 dozen times

[hearty edge]

It's no contest

-1 clears

In terms of being a movie

[brazen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/1954godzilla-destroying-city-gif-14853715

[hearty edge]

I still like the monster verse bc it's just silly fun

[brazen vortex]

cough KONG. SKULL. ISLAND cough

[thorny yarrow]

But it says a lot about the variety of Godzilla when my two favorite Godzilla films are KotM and Minus One in that order. XD Also tells you where my preferences are as far as Godzilla is concerned.

[brazen vortex]

So goofy and serious-

[hearty edge]

I actually don't like skull island all that much

Although it's been a while since I've seen ot

[brazen vortex]

I do- plus objectively it is the best monsterverse movie, hell I even liked the humans in it

Amd that says alot

[thorny yarrow]

I can make this a Top 3 by listing KotM, Minus One, and GMK.

[hearty edge]

Yea with that I do agree

[hearty edge]

Mines are minus one shin and kotm

[brazen vortex]

Plus kong felt so fucking real dude, like this thing actually existed and you were watching a documentary, thats how good the cgi was

[thorny yarrow]

Shin slaps hard it must be said.

[hearty edge]

Yea those scenes where he just walks are fire

[brazen vortex]

Mine are

1: Gojira (1954)
2: Godzilla -1
3: Godzilla vs Destroyah

[brazen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/kong-ilha-da-caveira-2017-gif-5183642249254774956

Best shot in the monsterverse. Fight me

[thorny yarrow]

I'm most partial to Ghidorah on the Volcano.

[hearty edge]

Actually it probably is

[brazen vortex]

Okay thats a good one I'll give ya that

[thorny yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/king-ghidorah-ghidorah-lightning-volcano-kaiju-gif-2559928746157546740

[brazen vortex]

UUUUGH hes so cool

[hearty edge]

Although my favorite scene is still when Godzilla first appears in 2014

[thorny yarrow]

Monsterverse Ghidorah CLEARS for me. Best version of the creature so far.

[hearty edge]

The muto was shitting himself

That and the first atomic breath

[brazen vortex]

Eeeeeeeehhhhhhh not for me, I will always love the showa ghidorah- and fun fact, his sounds he makes, IS FUCKING LAUGHTER, HE IS LAUGHING AT DESTRIYING PLANETS

[hearty edge]

I'd agree

[thorny yarrow]

His original roar was said to sound like the ringing of a bell. That was their starting point at least.

[hearty edge]

Alr chat I have to say this

[thorny yarrow]

I lost my MIND at that when I saw it in theaters. XD

[hearty edge]

Showa mechagodzilla is the coolest most badass son of a fucker

[brazen vortex]

YES. FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT!

[thorny yarrow]

Mechagodzilla almost always lands.

(Gives a stink eye to the anime trilogy).

[brazen vortex]

He's not my favorite design, that goes to kiryu, but THIS MOTHERFUCKER LEGIT SAID "TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHERFUCKER!!" AND DIDNT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT IT

[hearty edge]

The first scene where he reveals himself is just like "look at me bigga I'm that guy"

[frail bloom]

What's y'alls favorite godzilla theme ost

[brazen vortex]

Also fun fact, every version of mecha godzilla has been the one kaiju to give godzilla his toughest fights

Showa was the first to cover him in his own blood and made him use an asspull

Smg2 legit just killed the fucker, FUCKING TWICE MIND YOU

Kiyru was the first creature to beat godzilla in two movies in a row

In the anime trilogy it was said that mechagodzilla gave godzilla the fight of his fucking life, almost beating him

And legendary mechagodzilla once again nearly killed godzilla, while ragdolling him like he was nothing

[hearty edge]

And he was bitching on 2 of the strongest Kaiju on earth at the same time until Godzilla decided to become a literal magnet for some reason

[frail bloom]

Mine's is the godzilla and jet jaguar theme

[brazen vortex]

Final wars theme, or the original 1954 theme

[thorny yarrow]

You talking like, specific themes for any of the Kaiju?

[frail bloom]

Can be anything

[frail bloom]

Those are contendors

[hearty edge]

I have many but the one I'm thinking about at the moment is mg2 main theme

[brazen vortex]

Dawg, HE MADE CEASAR FORGET HIS DAMN ABILITY!

[hearty edge]

And yeah the final wars theme ofc

[brazen vortex]

Fucking epic ass theme

[frail bloom]

My second fav is the M13 theme in Godzilla 1964 where he attacks an industrial plant

[brazen vortex]

Also the only toho godzilla suit thats survived (besides hesei i think)

[frail bloom]

Super specific I know but it sounds really foreboding

[brazen vortex]

Nothing beats the classic in my opinion, I heard that theme in theaters during minus one and nearly jumped out my fucking seat

[thorny yarrow]

I have a hard time picking, so I'll pick one from my Top 3. XD

Godzilla's theme in KotM is amazing, Bear McCreary is a master, but I think my honest favorite from there is Ghidorah's themes. The number three is worked into every part of the composition with triple note hits being relaly prevalent and the theme being like a prayer to Ghidorah. On top of that, verses from the Heart Sutra, a Buddhist verse about how the body comes from nothing and will return to that nothing? Yes. Yes please, That's everything.

[hearty edge]

I always find it funny how after the badass first scene they get you with the freaking informational video and elevator ahh music

[brazen vortex]

I knoooow its so stupid

Also hold on, wouldn't final wars fit the doomguy theme the best? Bro was LITERALLY an unstoppable force of nature who went through almost every kaiju in the showa films (also fun fact, final wars was semi-confirmed to be showa godzilla, do i believe that? No, do i want to? Hell yes)

[frail bloom]

Here I'll do my top 3

1. Godzilla and Jet jaguar main title
2. Attack on the industrial complex
3. Final wars theme

[thorny yarrow]

For Minus one, my favorite theme is Divine. An excellent dread inducing piece for Goji.

For GMK it's the Main theme for the movie. My enjoyment of it is enhanced by the fact that that movie's entire soundtrack was composed by Kow Otani, the legendary composer of Shadow of the Colossus.

[hearty edge]

Oh yeah

[frail bloom]

My fav is either pray or resolution

[brazen vortex]

Mine are

1: 1954 Akira ifukabe theme
2: Final wars theme
3: orchestral kotm Akira ifukabe remix

[frail bloom]

Someone resurrect Akira Ifukabe and get him to compose for dlc

Ngl

[brazen vortex]

Dawg I was so sad when I found out he died

[hearty edge]

I don't remember the names for the themes but I like the one that appears when he shoots the atomic breath on ginza

[brazen vortex]

Same with ishido handa

[frail bloom]

Rest in peace goat

[frail bloom]

That's divine

[hearty edge]

Ah ok

[thorny yarrow]

Yup!

Also I still can't get over the fact that the composer of Shadow of the Colossus made the soundtrack for a Godzilla film. It's SO good.

[frail bloom]

Man I just want to see a trailer for "minus two"

So many other songs they can remake

Same with the monsterverse films, although idk abt the composer

[remote trellis]

W js beat dark ages, my first doom game

[frail bloom]

Sweet

[wheat sigil]

noice

[brazen vortex]

Chat top 10 godzilla movies. Go

(Crazy that there's that many that you can make a top 40-)

[wheat sigil]

slow bozo

[brazen vortex]

Niiice

[thorny yarrow]

Hell yeah!

[frail bloom]

Uh ok

https://tenor.com/view/seems-creepy-ton-ton-matt-hill-dinotrux-kinda-creepy-gif-17471992

[remote trellis]

peak game fr

[frail bloom]

Wow we went off tangent abt godzilla stuff

Way more than any doom discussion

Hugo take notes

[hearty edge]

Hey I just remembered one

Godzilla comes ashore from 1954

Underrated theme

[frail bloom]

We can just agree there are only good songs

Ngl

[hearty edge]

1. Minus one
2. Shin
3. KoTM
4. Godzilla x Mechagodzilla
5. 1954
6. Final wars
7. Godzilla vs Destoroyah
8. 2014
9. Godzilla vs Biollante
10. Godzilla vs Megalon

I haven't seen Tokyo sos

[frail bloom]

Based picks

[hearty edge]

Megalon is there bc it's unhinged

And I love jet jaguar

[frail bloom]

But it has my fav theme

So it wins in my book

[pearl patrol]

Just finished Doom the Dark ages and got the nightmare skin I might try beat Ultra Nightmares

[brazen vortex]

Noticing the lack of gmk..

[remote trellis]

cronologically what game comes after dark ages/what game should i play after dark ages?

[harsh egret]

2016 and then eternal

Chronologically

[hearty edge]

Yea I haven't watched it sorry

[gusty seal]

I have a new channel that I statrted, where can I promote my content and engage with commmunnity members ?

https://www.youtube.com/@fdoomguy

[gusty seal]

i remember when that came out omg.

@brazen vortex

1. King of Monsters (2019)
2. Godzilla 1954
3. Godzilla Minus 1
4. Godzilla vs Destroyah
5. Smogggyyyy(smog monsters)
6. Gigan and Megalon are like ttwo part films to me so i count em together
7. Both Show Mecha G's first is better IMO though
8. GMK ALL MOnsters all out attack
9. Bioilante
10. Kiryu Movies
11. FInal Wars
12. Anime MOvies if u can bear them
13. Shin Godzilla
14. FInal Wars

[fair elk]

Anyone experiencing a bug where they're unable to complete the first encounter due to the game treating the Campaign mode as Ripatorium (I kinda like the bug as I can play any track in any mission) but it means I can't kill the demon leader in order to progress

[gusty seal]

@fair elk The first wave of the game?

[fair elk]

Correct, on any mission

This is on a completed save, so not sure if it effects new saves in-progress

[gusty seal]

@fair elk ur chaning music in the campaign ?

[fair elk]

I am, I was playing Unchained Predator and Into the Void on the mission Retribution. The first encounter after the cutscene, I tried to finish off the Revenant Leader and it just froze in the glory-kill-ready state (with the purple outline).

[gusty seal]

ohhhhh i know what ur saying

[fair elk]

You can't even load the map as it just loads the jukebox like it's Ripatorium

[gusty seal]

idk if its music, but yeah that sucks, the game has bugs, i have recordings where I was on a role and that happened, i believe its related to all the difficulty sliders.

Happens to me quite often, i just reload check point

[fair elk]

Worst is, even after turning console on and off, the same thing happens. Load any campaign mission, but it treats it with the same coding as Ripatorium

[gusty seal]

I use PC, but dam. and I know ,if im recording, i gotta start over too cus usually you will die if you dont get those glory kills just right, or it makes the video longer than I want it to be. i havent had that happen to me where i can change music tho. but the outline staying is common, bethesda is the epitome of " its not a bug its a feature lol "

[fair elk]

So when you die, does it bring up the mission brief screen? Cuz I actually get the "Purification failed" screen too upon death 😂

[gusty seal]

your only doing ripatorium ?

yes of course thats ripatorium haha

[fair elk]

This is coming up on Campaign though

[gusty seal]

you get a purification screen on the campeign?

thats crazy

[fair elk]

This is what I'm saying, the whole of Ripatorium features is coming up on Campaign, including not being able to get past the first wave of any mission 😂

[gusty seal]

omg what a disaster

[fair elk]

I wish I could share videos here cuz it's funny af

[gusty seal]

record it with a phone and upload it

send it to huugo and josh during the slayer live events on thursdays or w.e

[fair elk]

I have the video on my phone but I can't share on this chat

[gusty seal]

upload to youtube?

past it around especially on thursday

[fair elk]

It's on YouTube, thing is I never get a chance to watch the streams live

[gusty seal]

https://www.youtube.com/@bethesda/streams

send me link ill try to help next stream and paste it, if u like?

[fair elk]

Sure, what I'll do is I'll get some proper videos together showcasing different parts of the bug. I'll put it together into one video.

[gusty seal]

@brazen vortex wow cant post candy corn space godzilla but if he had that design it would be on my list too

[remote trellis]

dam i dont see 2016 on game pass 😭

pc gamepass

[harsh egret]

Rip

When it goes on sale its usually a few bucks

[remote trellis]

alright ill keep an eyeout

could u give me a quick summary of it? im prolly js gonna start playing eternal then go back to 2016 when i can

[random sand]

Doom slayer wakes up and chooses violence. That's basically the entire plot of 2016

[remote trellis]

lmao

aint that the plot for all doom?

[harsh egret]

Plot is just shoot demons in head

[random sand]

Nah nah. In the dark ages he's forced into violence

[remote trellis]

ahhh ok

[harsh egret]

No but u could prob find a yt video explaining things better than i can

[remote trellis]

alright thanks

[random sand]

It's hard to explain anything about it without spoiling because everything at the surface level is literally just "doom slayer mad killing everything in his way"

[remote trellis]

ah ok

[green estuary]

not quite
he'd choose violence no matter what, but the maykrs just removed all other thoughts from his head so he would be predictable and easy to control

[random sand]

You ruined the funny :(

[coarse vortex]

Will this game get events like eternal

[hearty edge]

probably

[frail bloom]

Hey I just got an article notification or smt

Dark ages lowered storage space?

[hearty edge]

wow

[frail bloom]

Didn't read it yet

I can't anyways

[warm ibex]

where's the article from?

[warm elbow]

I really need to get to completing this game. I bought it at launch and only played up to the seige chapters then put it away because of a busy schedule but gotta get back to it

[frail bloom]

I wish I could tell you but I don't know but you should be able to find it it seems very recent

Again I read the cover not sure if it's for a specific hardware

Or if it's real but it got smt to do with new tech

[fervent maple]

They should add an enemy in the dlc that disconnects your router when it hits you

[meager vortex]

hello

[meager vortex]

you mean demons make a energy field?

[fervent maple]

Nah like

A hell knight that hits you and you lose your internet connection

[meager vortex]

lol

is your internet is not working?

[hearty edge]

good thing you dont need internet to play

[fervent maple]

It also withdraws $10 from your bank account when you hit it

[solid nacelle]

I would game over in 2 hits

[tender galleon]

kys

[hearty edge]

that is not good

[fervent maple]

Yeah so just run past it :)

[hearty edge]

wait you said hell knight

so just parry

and chainshot

[fervent maple]

Both of those do damage

You will lose $20

If he hits you, your router disconnects

If you hit him, you lose money

[meager vortex]

just rip and tear until done!

hell knight is they are meat

[exotic jetty]

Amen to that

[meager vortex]

demons they fear the doom slayer because doom slayer rip and tear demons

until demons fucking done!

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-demon-2016-gif-10925418

just like this gif

if hell knight block your way kill them

rip and tear the hell knights

[meager vortex]

doom the dark ages steam badge nightmare is serrat dragon

that mean is doom slayer lost serrat dragon he never forget it

[dark thunder]

is the flail better at faltering demons than the gauntlet? or am I trippin

[meager vortex]

flail is better

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-premium-edition-doom-the-dark-ages-premium-edition-gif-3834497399309227215

[green estuary]

I thought both were a guaranteed falter on the third hit
Although the flail does deal slightly more damage than the gauntlet through the first two hits so maybe that’s making a tiny difference

[dark thunder]

yeah

maybe it's like flail for faltering and armor and gauntlet for great power and that powerful kick and the mace for absolute power

[green estuary]

flail 3 hits are 2100 x3
Gauntlet 3 hits are 1k/3k/8k (12k with the upgrade)

[meager vortex]

what about mace?

[dark thunder]

used to think the flail was worthless but its lowkey coming in clutch with faltering cyberdemons

shit mace gotta do at least like 24k

[green estuary]

a mace swing does 32k to a single target

so the same as 4 gauntlet strikes, but with added AOE

[hearty edge]

Sht

[hearty edge]

How big even are the enemy health pools

The tyrant in eternal only had 10k

[remote trellis]

Bro theace was S tier against azherak

Did like half his stun bar in 1 hit

[green estuary]

I have a full list somewhere gimme a sec

[hearty edge]

Alr

[hearty edge]

Would it just die in like 2 tda SSG shots

[green estuary]

a point blank ssg shot when un-upgraded deals 14.3k damage lmao

[hearty edge]

Yea I kinda feel there's like no point in using the other ones

Holy what

So I'm guessing like 20k when upgraded

[remote trellis]

No I didn't see a point

Honestly the mace is broken but the main reason I used it was to regain all ammo lol

[hearty edge]

The armor the flail gives is basically not a factor

And doing 4 consecutive shots is worse than doing 1 I think maybe

[green estuary]

ok I can't find the document I had but I know most of the numbers off the top of my head
fodder is all 5k and below
imp stalkers have 10k
hell knights have 12k
revs have 20k
mancs have 26k
whiplashes have 28k
cacos have 25k
cosmic barons have 60k
cybers have 80k
komodos have 86k
agaddons have 105k
vagaries have 75k + armor

[hearty edge]

Weakest heavy in the game has as much hp as strongest super heavy in the previous game

Oh wow I would have assumed the komodo had less HP than the cyberdemon

[green estuary]

you'd think so

[hearty edge]

That's probably because you cannot hit the cyberdemon all the time when in melee range

[green estuary]

also something pretty funny is that leaders/champions in general get a huge hp boost from their normal counterparts
like for example leader cyberdemons have 120k, leader komodos have 130k
but leader/champion agaddons actually have 100k, which is less than their normal counterparts
difference is that they're harder to falter so they're still more threatening though

[hearty edge]

Also some skinny snakes having more hp than the literal fat walking tank is unhinged

[green estuary]

I believe that their HP bar is rather deceiving though, as whiplashes don't have to take as much damage to stagger

[hearty edge]

So that's why it felt like the aggadon champion died earlier than the one in ancestral forge

[green estuary]

which is why shield bash + ssg staggers whiplashes but not mancs

[hearty edge]

Huh

[green estuary]

so if you were to shoot a manc and a whiplash with the same gun, the whiplash should stagger first, but die second

weird stuff

[hearty edge]

Yea weird

Also I would have guessed the caco had more hp as I remember hitting it with the mace in botb and it not dying

[green estuary]

cacos' HP went up to 35k with update 2

hence why they could tank a dreadmace swing

[hearty edge]

That makes sense

[green estuary]

but now I believe a dreadmace should kill

[hearty edge]

Good

[remote trellis]

what about champ spider mofo

[green estuary]

the vagary champion?
should be 130k

[hearty edge]

Honestly the vagary champion is probably the one that takes me the longest but that's mostly bc of the unbreakable armor

[green estuary]

and the fact that you have zero firepower at that stage in the game

[hearty edge]

Yea

But the accelerator still takes care of like half of his hp bar in one stun

[green estuary]

the toughest enemy you face up to that point is the leader pinky, which has less than half the HP and breakable armor

[green estuary]

true
once you get around to his ass you can destroy his health bar

[hearty edge]

Talking about the leader pinky

[neon perch]

What the hell, why are these numbers so fucking ridiculous?

[hearty edge]

I find it funny how I can beat samirs ripartorium presets but I can't get past hebeth in pandemonium bc of that damn last area and lag

[remote trellis]

i beat him without knowing that it was hit weakspot 🥲

took me so long

[green estuary]

who knows
they kinda just slapped a zero on the end of everything but idk why
they also did the same thing from 2016 to eternal, though not as drastic of a change

[hearty edge]

I wanna see how eternal looks with this games combat shotgun

[green estuary]

also each of enhanced ahzrak's phases have 310k HP

[neon perch]

The damage scaling across the board doesn't feel any different from Eternal so everything having upwards to 6 digits of HP is comical.

[hearty edge]

Wow

[remote trellis]

how mcuh dmg a maxed out chainball do?

[neon perch]

What's the point in your Zombieman having 500 hp and the SSG dealing 6000DPS when you could just... remove one zero?

[hearty edge]

Well from 2016 to eternal the weapon damage stayed the same basically

[green estuary]

well zombies actually have 500 hp

[hearty edge]

And the biggest change was the barons going from 4k to 7k

[remote trellis]

why not js remove 2 zeros?

[green estuary]

not even close
if that were the case then the 2016 ssg would have been able to one-shot stagger hell knights

[hearty edge]

O

[green estuary]

I believe the gauss cannon/ballista are roughly comparable
though that's more because the gauss cannon is absolutely broken in 2016

[neon perch]

And RLO would've been able to clear the Cyberdemon in 2 volleys.

[green estuary]

in a game where barons have 3500 HP, siege mode dealt 2000 damage

[neon perch]

I honestly don't know what they were thinking with the balance in 2016.

[green estuary]

it's basically like having a 4k damage destroyer blade with half the charge up time lmao

the fact that siege mode can instakill every enemy in the game except 3 is hilarious

[neon perch]

SM and DT are so stupid. The game gives you plenty options to trivialize heavies meanwhile every fodder type deals like 120DMG in a single charged shot.

[green estuary]

yeah it's pretty cooked

[hearty edge]

What's dt

[neon perch]

Eternal is the only nuDoom game where fodder is balanced in a way that makes sense. Even in this game they flipflop between being useless and 'fuck you, die now'.

[green estuary]

in eternal they're pretty tame, with the exception of the gargoyle's melee

[hearty edge]

Love it when a soldier shot brings you to critical health

[green estuary]

tda has good fodder balance
it's just the projectiles phasing through other enemies that fucks shit up

the fact that a soldier charged attack can phase through a frickin cyberdemon and bitch slap me is absurd

[neon perch]

It makes me laugh that the Zombieman's base fire is so pathetic meanwhile the tesla rope attack moves at 3000MPH and cuts off your legs pretty much.

Same for the tesla wall bullshit mullet imps do.

[green estuary]

the regular imp projectiles aren't so bad
the nightmare imp's double wall can go fuck itself

[hearty edge]

Yea

[green estuary]

he just tosses that shit and then lunges at you with his ridiculous 100 damage melee attack through the goddamn projectile

[neon perch]

I hate the fact they home in and block shots on top of being infinitely spammable with no area cooldown.

They double, then triple, then quad dip.

[green estuary]

I said this in the modding server, but this game would be much better off with more fast projectiles but less tracking ones

[neon perch]

Seriously. What's the fucking point in so many enemies having homing projectiles. Leave that to the Revenant.

[green estuary]

so being more aggressive would be rewarded and you could actually strafe dodge instead of being forced to backpedal so frequently

[green estuary]

yeah the rev and the cyberdemon should be the only enemies that have homing

[hearty edge]

There's like 2 maybe 3 that don't have one

[neon perch]

Honestly for how much Hugo tried to convince us, this game is classic Doom only insofar as some of the projectiles being comically slow. Everything else is so antithetical to the way classic Doom plays that it always throws me off.

You have these slow projectiles and then these ungodly fast, high-tracking, high-damaging fastballs you HAVE to be almost psychic to be able to read.

[green estuary]

classic doom had consistently faster projectiles than TDA
except they had consistent patterns and you had omni sprint, so they felt easy to dodge

[neon perch]

Meanwhile if you take Eternal on HMP and halve projectile speed, you pretty much get classic Doom.

[green estuary]

🤨

this is a stretch

[hearty edge]

Nah

I still feel out of nudoom that 2016 is the one that plays the most as classic doom

[neon perch]

Well at least on the enemy front. Eternal enemies on HMP are at the same pace and threat level as 2016 without being as lethargic as they are in that game.

Whenever I want to play classic style nuDoom I pop the classic overhaul mod, put the game on HMP and start blasting.

[green estuary]

lemme see (not counting hitscan, obviously)
battle knight, pinky rider, mancubus, armored mancubus, vagary
I think that might be it

[nova cloak]

Yo guys a question on TDA

[neon perch]

I feel 2016 is closer to Quake than Doom.

TDA has more horizontal combat.

[green estuary]

2016 is quake, eternal is quake but on performance enhancers

[nova cloak]

But there are no glory kills then?

[green estuary]

tda is absolutely the closest to classic doom just as a function of its emphasis on horizontality

[hearty edge]

Not necessairily

[nova cloak]

If I'm not mistaken with the shield

[nova cloak]

Which is used as a chainsaw

[hearty edge]

Executions functionally work the same as glory kills and you can still get animations by jumping before executing

[green estuary]

to trigger glory kills in TDA, jump while running forwards at the enemy and execute
the same thing happens if you shield bash into an enemy from elevation

[hearty edge]

Ya the shield doesn't work as a chainsaw

Just looks like it

[nova cloak]

Oh okay. Because I'm not watching gameplay on TDA because I'll buy them later and I don't want spoilers.

[hearty edge]

At least not as a chainsaw like 2016 and eternal

[nova cloak]

Ik. But in the sense that shield kills still give more ammo

[green estuary]

perhaps a hot take, but gameplay-wise, both 2016 and eternal would be better off handling glory kills like tda

[hearty edge]

There are no direct shield kills but executions in generals do give more ammo yes

[green estuary]

at least in eternal you got a solid 20+ HP from them, but glory kills in 2016 are so ass

the cinematics are brutally awesome but on nightmare they're literally a suicide mission

[nova cloak]

Oh ok

[hearty edge]

Yea I feel like eternal is the one that would benefit the most from using them like tda

[neon perch]

GKing 3 imps one after the other for a measly 15HP and then getting oneshotted by a stray imp fireball </3.

2016 on NM is straight up unpleasant honestly.

[green estuary]

the true 2016 nightmare early game experience

it's annoying early on, but after foundry it gets much better

[neon perch]

These days when I want to play 2016 I stick to the first 5 levels because they look good and mirror classic Doom a bit, what with them being populated with nothing but soldiers and imps.

[green estuary]

kadingir sanctum is such a damn good level

also laz labs is great if you don't use bfg

[neon perch]

I wished 2016's levels would get ported to Eternal.

[green estuary]

it truly feels like 2016's arenas were meant for you to have eternal-like mobility, except you just don't

[neon perch]

Yeah that's something that always irks me when replaying. Also the music feels more fit for Eternal but that's just my 2 cents.

Sometimes I cream just imagining a game that's 2016's ambience and story with Eternal's gameplay and visual variety.

Oh my GOD bruh.

[green estuary]

that's something I'll disagree on
eternal's music is more catchy and almost pop (heresy, I know) in a way, which fits the brighter, arcade-like aesthetic
2016 is much darker and grimmer in general, and the music reflects that

but if eternal had 2016's environment

[neon perch]

Oh yeah no don't get me wrong I love Eternal's funkiness.

[green estuary]

what a frickin game that would be

[neon perch]

I love that every level has its own dedicated track kinda like classic Doom did. I felt like 2016 was just Rip and Tear and BFG Division the entire time, with Damnation for the hell maps.

[green estuary]

and the banger that is vega core

most headbang-able track in the whole modern doom ost

[neon perch]

Eh I don't like the later tracks. Too bleepy bloopy for my taste.

Doom works best when it sticks to either guitars or screams of the damned.

[green estuary]

in general yes
but vega core's heavy mix absolutely slaps

[random sand]

Feel like you'd like the TDA and Eternal soundtrack then

[green estuary]

tda's soundtrack is really good
I just wish they went more medieval with it

[neon perch]

I do by a lot. I'll even say I think Eternal's version of BFG Division is more enjoyable than 2016's.

[green estuary]

are you talking about BFG division 2020 or bfg 10k?

[random sand]

The menu theme does, Unchained Predator does and Unholy Siege does but yeah i can agree with that

[random sand]

Is it different?

[green estuary]

yes

[random sand]

Interesting

[neon perch]

2020 cuts out a lot of the buildup and feels a little more hype as a result IMHO.

[green estuary]

yeah there are some standout tracks, but in general I just wish they were less military march-like and more goth/medieval themed
but that's just me

[green estuary]

bfg 10k is still better than both

[neon perch]

It hurts me that Eternal's OST was never finished/mixed properly and probably never will be.

[green estuary]

mars core ML is hard for me solely because it's impossible to not headbang to bfg 10k

[neon perch]

Imagine a fully mastered Doom Hunted. My face would melt off.

[random sand]

I just wish they did less of the "it just sounds like metal" tbh. While i hate when people clown the whole soundtrack for it, can't help but agree to some degree. I love when the soundtrack just locks tf in. Like that guitar section in Unholy Siege

[green estuary]

yeah
the soundtrack doesn't sound "samey" by any means, but more uniqueness between tracks would have been cool

[random sand]

I also love how the TDA ost in some places went for a more orchastrial and melodic path. Blood red and Unholy siege have some parts with strings that just sound heavenly and even work for a doom game when you think it wouldn't

[random sand]

True

I'd post a video of it if i could but my god the part that starts at 03:29 at Unholy Siege actually goes so fucking hard

[warm ibex]

I wish more people would mention the orchestral parts

adds a lot to the ost, many tracks wouldn't be the same without it. A bit new for the franchise but it pays off incredibly well

those elements are a large part of why Infernal Chasm is just about my favorite track in the entire franchise

[solemn mauve]

Ok so I'm not sure if you've heard of this, but David Levy (composer for tag dlcs) did make his own interpretation of TDA ambience and combat OST. It has that medieval feeling too.

https://youtu.be/Orjv8Ys_wq0

[random sand]

real

[random sand]

should read some of the comments for this vid. some of them are funny af

[heady mica]

The game could have the only song in it be Unholy Siege for me and it'd just work (its one of my favorites up there with Atlan Battleground and What Lies Below)

[random sand]

real. Unholy Siege goes so hard. it has it all

it's also probably the only song (apart from unchained predator) that gave me the same adrenaline bfg division, meathook and the only thing they fear is you gave me

[heady mica]

Hell I might just listen to it at work right now

Andromida did a really good cover of it

[random sand]

first thing i did when i got up outta bed was listen to it lmao

[heady mica]

[random sand]

honestly the second i heard When The Shadows First Lengthened i knew FM was gonna cook with this ost. that one is probably the best menu theme i've ever heard

one thing i'm bummed about tho is that the medieval string thing in the trailer isn't in the soundtrack. i think the track in the trailer was unholy siege but i dont remember

[heady mica]

I've never heard finishing move before DTDA and honestly I'm sad I didn't

[random sand]

same. heard they did borderlands before doom

[heady mica]

Havent played much Borderlands, not my type of game

[random sand]

i haven't played it at all

[topaz oasis]

guys, someone make these stupid runes make sense

here I parry the disco projectile from a cosmic baron and I get the rune activation https://imgur.com/a/VkM4PKL

then later I do the same with another baron but I dont get the activation https://imgur.com/a/tceyrnb

it's like, bro???

must be some kind of random bug, right?

[spiral crow]

No look at the bottom left on both footages you sent, when you parried the cosmic baron's projectile, iin the bottom left where your shield UI is you'll the rune symbol in the shield being used and in the second one you sent it's recharging meaning the second parry won't activate it until full recharage

[topaz oasis]

oh so it has a cooldown?

[uneven dragon]

This ain’t that medieval

It’s banging don’t get me wrong

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[silent surge]

happy 4 months old public release TDA!

[north spire]

:)

[upbeat junco]

Yeah runes have cool downs

[hearty edge]

Weird that you felt it like that cuz BFG division only appears in argent energy tower and advanced research complex I think

[fleet spruce]

Rip & Tear is still my favourite 2016 track, encapsulates the game very well

[vivid light]

I beat UN yaaay

Wasn't actually that hard. I usually play the game on 130% game speed so going to 100% made it pretty easy honestly. Getting used to the parry windows being so long and slow was weird though

[half marlin]

isn't rip & tear also appears only in one mission?

[vivid light]

The cosmic realm ost has to be the best one in the game. It's just so much more unique

That siren sound when you're fighting is so good

[half marlin]

speaking of wasted opportunities
I feel like unchained predator is kinda underused tbh
should've used it again in some chapter (idk which one tho lol)
it's so banging but since it plays in first chapter you don't really get to hear it

[fleet spruce]

Isn't it on 2 missions actually? Necropolis and Argent D'Nur (last arena before Spider Mastermind)

[fleet spruce]

Unchained Predator is cool but tracks that appear later in campaign are much better imo

[zinc spade]

Hey guys a question can an Rx 5600xt run the game?

[half marlin]

argent dnur doesn't count cuz it's one battle

and necropolis is kinda short

[vivid light]

Yeah into the void slaps so much harder

[frail bloom]

I'll be "brave"( ) anc talk abt tracks I dislike

80% of Hellspawn Rift

100% of Colussus Unleashed

50% Of Writher and writhe or whatever it's called

We defending Marty in court with this one homies

[hearty edge]

Yea it appears in the one with the icon of sin

[hearty edge]

I believe it isn't capable of ray tracing so no

[zinc spade]

I've seen people play the game on like a GTX 1660

The 5600xt is more powerful

[hearty edge]

Welp I'm not sure but I think that being able to boot the game without rt has been fixed so idk

And even still you wouldn't see anything

[zinc spade]

Even with gama?

[hearty edge]

Yea bc the game has no built in light

[green estuary]

If your gpu doesn’t support ray tracing, don’t buy the game

[hearty edge]

I mean you could probably see something but basically nothing

[zinc spade]

Who said anything about buying

[zinc spade]

What about an rtx 2060 it should work right

[hearty edge]

Yea that's the minimum I think

[zinc spade]

It's a 2060.super not the regular

The prices of GPUs are so bad in my country

[hearty edge]

Ah yes it should work fine I believe

[green estuary]

Wow, so edgy
Piracy is awesome

[zinc spade]

Uhhmm I have Xbox gamepass

[hearty edge]

Makes sense

[green estuary]

I thought it still costed 10 bucks on gamepass? Or is it free with gamepass

[zinc spade]

I play the other games I have a year subscription I won it in a giveaway

I still got 7 months

[sage schooner]

didn’t pay any extra for it either on gamepass myself!

[green estuary]

Damn no wonder TDA steam sales aren’t very high

[zinc spade]

Cool I didn't really try downloading it cus ik my current PC won't run it

[hearty edge]

It's free

[frail bloom]

Well it's alr

[hearty edge]

But I still bought it on steam bc steam is cool

[frail bloom]

There's consoles

[green estuary]

Yeah but gamepass 100% leeched away a lot of sales

[zinc spade]

Steam is cooler yeah

[green estuary]

They must be getting a great deal from Xbox

[frail bloom]

Ye but it still prob made some money

[frail bloom]

I heard someone say here thst xbox doesn't make deals like that

[green estuary]

Of course
Obviously gamepass must be paying a shit ton for them to put it on there

[frail bloom]

So I just assumed they were shooting themselves in the foot

Hol on lemme find the guy

[green estuary]

Bethesda doesn’t just lose money for no reason (Mick Gordon shenanigans aside)

[frail bloom]

Guy named Cooker

Argued that ID gets nothing from putting the game on gamepass

Don't know how true that is

[green estuary]

I reeeally doubt that

[frail bloom]

Well

I'm not sure

[green estuary]

If that were the case, no shot would they feel comfortable pricing the steam edition at 70 bucks

That’s fairly aggressive pricing for Bethesda

[frail bloom]

Well, don't all AAA games do that

I didn't think it was cuz of gamepass

Maybe Microsoft forced them to

Talk abt "help" and "encouragement"

Anyone remember the Hugo cameo in some podcast before the game released

He was talking abt how microsoft helped them a lot

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[warm ibex]

I dunno, I feel like it takes all of ten seconds to realize that's horse shit

[silent surge]

less than 10

[warm ibex]

less than two

[silent surge]

less than 3 ❤️

it makes a heart. i’m old.

[green estuary]

one second
take it or leave it

[warm ibex]

fine, I'll take it

[silent surge]

one second
that’s my nickname

[green estuary]

😔

[silent surge]

because why would they put it on there without any gain

[warm ibex]

what I was gonna say

why would anyone put their title(s) on gamepass if they didn't get anything out of it?

[green estuary]

hmm yes, let's put this game on gamepass for free without any financial gain for us, and let's also price the steam version 10 dollars higher than normal just to make sure we make the least money possible

[warm ibex]

exactly, takes no time at all to realize how silly that sounds lol

[green estuary]

big brain bethesda

[silent surge]

I SEE ALLITERATION

[warm ibex]

allstin's awesome alliteration

[silent surge]

yet my phrase had none

[silent surge]

ah, an amicable agreement, amongst an ally

[warm ibex]

ayy there we go

[silent surge]

ayy, amidst all attempts

(sometimes i reach for it)

[frail slate]

Microsoft owns bethesda and ID so for them putting it on gamepass is probably a better deal then buying something from someone else and put it on game pass. But i would say TDA underperforms. A lot of games are day 1 on gamepass and have huge steam numbers. Clair Obscur – Expedition 33 was day 1 gamepass still it had 145k peak on steam and TDA only 31k

[silent surge]

that game is an anomaly apparently

DIDNT DO IT ON PURPOSE THIS TIME

[green estuary]

clair obscur overperformed like crazy
bad comparison

[frail slate]

A game that is big will have big numbers on steam even if its on gamepass. Hollow Knight: Silksong is on gamepass too. 587,150 k peak on Steam still.

[green estuary]

you're comparing a doom game with the most anticipated game launch since elden ring
bruh

and also that game is 20 bucks
hardly compares to tda at 70

[frail slate]

TDA is very likely not as big as it should have been (really like it too) or was expected to be. Its really hard to judge how good gamepass is for them. Since microsoft owns Bethesda its probably not so bad for them. But its hard to know who actually payed for gamepass because of TDA or just had it anyway.
Subscription services with multiple tites are very hard to judge.

[green estuary]

the thing is
this is all just guessing

[frail slate]

Very true. Its like that in both directions but i never claimed i know the anser. If you read the only claim i made is that a big game that is on gamepass will be big on steam too. In no way have i claimed to know exact numbers for TDA.

[frail bloom]

Well ye it makes sense that they get some deal outta it they can't be forced to just make less money but I don't feel like arguing with the dude

[uneven mortar]

Ngl I think the final gauntlet of bosses is a bigger issue than I was willing to admit at first, I'm really dreading fighting ahzrak 5 times in a row as punishment for beating the game

He should have been a demon leader you followed through the level or smth

[frail bloom]

All I think is that ID made enough money from sales

[frail bloom]

Gotta deal with it

[green estuary]

ahzrak + witch is fairly easy though
he's much less aggressive so you can get away with more mistakes

[frail bloom]

Tbh doom is just not as popular as ppl think, it's if you want a fun time, no brainer shooting. It had 30,000 ppl play at launch

[frail slate]

I personally really like TDA i bought it a bit later on steam because i had some issues with stuff like slow down after melee/parry and waited for it to get removed first. What i always find sad is when people have issues with a game they drop it and rarely know if the issue that made them dislike a game gets fixed so they never play it again. and miss out on the enjoyment they could have had.

[frail bloom]

2016 that is*

[green estuary]

eternal itself was an outlier, like pretty much all pandemic-released games

[frail bloom]

And in the eternal days ppl were stuck in quarantine and needed a dopamine boost

[frail slate]

For me personnaly its DOOM Eternal > TDA > 2016 havent played the old titles. But i consider Eternal the best single player game i have ever played.

[frail bloom]

Bc big devs are bad game released unfinished raaaaaahhh my arbitrary values

[frail bloom]

For me it's 2016>Dark ages>Eternal

[green estuary]

buying games on release is never a good idea, idc who you are

[frail bloom]

And I love eternal

[green estuary]

it's like buying a new car its first model year

[frail bloom]

Just my preference

[warm ibex]

Another thing I don't think people mention nearly enough is doom fatigue and the community split. Neither are massive at the moment but both play a role in lower initial interest

[frail slate]

What ever you like is what you like 🙂

[frail bloom]

How is there doom fatigue is the question

[frail bloom]

No I know I just felt like saying it

Eternal is prob the most mechanically excellent but dark ages just hit the sweet spot with the parry

But seriously like we have a doom game each 4 or 5 years

And yet a bunch of ppl go buy the next cod or fifa

And each doom game is unique

[warm ibex]

Was that a rhetorical question or something that actually needs to be explained?

[frail bloom]

I want an explanation tbh

[bold merlin]

there is something called doom fatigue???????

[frail bloom]

Idk who's getting tired from that

[frail slate]

A lot of people hate the sliders but tbh without sliders i would have disliked the game. It would be too slow. My first playthrough was 150% speed, 0% slowdown rest nightmare by now i upgraded to least parry window, max projectile speed, least resources on top of it.

[frail bloom]

Why would you play on 150% first

[frail slate]

because game is so slow without xD

[green estuary]

150 speed feels like ass ngl

[frail bloom]

Ye it's really jank

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-starwarsdude-true-gif-7266112863376875927

[frail bloom]

What is "speed" to you

How many actions you preform?

Or what it looks like visually to you

A game can have you run at breakneck speeds yet have you touch one button each 5 seconde

Technically it's a slow game

[frail slate]

Its a mix, you move too slowly, its too easy to react to everything, animations take too long, game speed fixed multiple things at once basically instead of just lowering parry window for example

[frail bloom]

On 100% yeah but 120% is the sweet spot

Enemy attacks are fair to read and you sprint so you move very fast

I also turn off slo mo

[warm ibex]

I am. Can't say I'm even remotely interested in id Software becoming "the Doom studio". Quake is frozen in the ninth circle of Hell right now, time to thaw it out

[frail bloom]

So yeah I do a lot of tweaking, but 150% just feels like it hurts the game

[hearty edge]

for me it's tda>eternal>2016

so it's just a linear improvement

[frail bloom]

Eh idk how they would really do it since Eternal is quake with a doom skin

[frail slate]

I really really enjoy 150% speed. But thats why i like sliders i could make the game fun for me. And you can just make it to what is fun for you. But for some reason a lot of people hated the existance of sliders. If you dont want to be bothered just select a preset difficulty and be done with it no idea why their existence is so bad in many peoples eyes.

[frail bloom]

I'm sure they can think of smt maybe

[frail bloom]

Ye enjoy what you please ofc

But 150% like damn

[warm ibex]

At some point we just gotta stop sayin shit like that

[frail bloom]

Why it's very vertical, involves a lot of b-hopping, and has a bunch of railgun tech

[warm ibex]

nah after hudreds (if not thousands) of "I don't know how they'll ever continue after Eternal" comments I'm so tired of that shit

[frail slate]

The real damn comes once you increase projectile speed on top of it ;P Way worse then just lower parry window. But my current playthrough does both 🙂 Its very fun.

[frail bloom]

Well they continued by making it slower

[warm ibex]

I'm already starting to get "I don't know how they'll ever continue after TDA" comments

[frail bloom]

They themselves knew they couldn't get crazier than eternal

They said so, so how a quake game go

[warm ibex]

the whole "I don't know how id Software will ever do (insert thing)" is beat to death at this point

[frail slate]

I think if people would see TDA more as their own game then expecting it to be Eternal 2 for some reason it would have been recived better.

[frail bloom]

Well it's just discussion

It's fun to think abt what they could do

Ideas get passed around and maybe they pick up on a few things

It's what they do in the meet room

Nothing dismissive here

[frail slate]

I can not wait for Rippatorium 2.0 i have such high hopes for it. I have so much fun doing insane challenges in the Rippatorium.

[frail bloom]

So what would they include for quake guys

Rocket jumping mechanics?

Maybe you rocket jump and then ground falter

Or rocket jumps for traversal

[frail slate]

Rocket jumps would be sick 🙂

[frail bloom]

What else

We had a meathook that brings us to demons

What if we had a hook that throws demons around

Like that projectile gun in D3

The dlc for that game

Just spitballin

[frail slate]

Do a meathook that pulls the demons to you that leads into over the top glory kills.

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

I know

It brings them to you and if you punch it at the right time, you parry it and it does extra damage to the demons behind the corpse

[frail slate]

I like that you can impaler shoot small demons into other demons i wish you could throw demons or kill smaller demons with bodyparts you rip of big ones xD would be funny

[frail bloom]

It's risky but could work

Ok what else

Smt unique

[frail slate]

I feel like the alternate weapon of the chainshot could do something like that

[frail bloom]

We NEED something like that

I see you're online Josh

Make it happen🌟

Tell Hugolo Martini

Pretty pls

With a on top

[frail slate]

i am really looking forward to the in combat melee weapon swap it will be very fun

[frail bloom]

It's more a qol change then anything but I won't have to go in the menu anymore

So W

Next game they should balance the melee to be swapped and keep their charges

[frail slate]

i want to do it mid fight to deal with diffrent situations just the mixing in the same encounter will bring a lot of fun to me.

[frail bloom]

Cuz it won't work in this one

[frail slate]

true

[silent surge]

pulling to you was the original design

[frail bloom]

Rune swapping is also coming

[frail bloom]

Ye but imagine parrying it

Big brain time

[frail slate]

oh really? @frail bloom didnt know

[frail bloom]

Ye right @harsh egret

[frail slate]

Nice nice 🙂

[frail bloom]

Lemme find the notes

Melee and rune hotswap confirmed coming ("those things will be out in a farther patch, closer to dlc")
Slight SSG buff coming and the SSG bugs are being looked into
Chaingunners will get a nerf on the time between bursts
Impaler balance updates coming after becoming a bit too strong after the last update
Maintains will get scaled back on the Aggadon and Komodo intro bossfights
"We are just about done with the tuning of the game, save for some of these inconvenient bugs that popped up"

Ripatorium stuff:
Issues with having not enough resources sometimes is being looked into
Things like melee and weapon upgrades not getting saved in the ripatorium will be getting fixed
Being able to customize each individual wave, the ability to save the encounters that you create, prebaked waves directly from id software could also be on the way (some of these are things that could come sooner rather than later)

I think this was @warm ibex's notes

Was it you I forgor

[frail slate]

Thx for the post 🙂

[frail bloom]

Or Hato idk

[warm ibex]

that's hato I believe

[frail bloom]

Alr good to know

[frail slate]

I am really looking forward to the melee/rune in combat swap. Will be fun. But what i look forward to the most to is more improvements on the Rippatorium. Saving encounters will be nice and premade encounters by ID would be very cool too. But i hope they also add more maps and the ability to have diffrent waves so not every wave is the same so you can really customize the encoutner.

[vivid light]

I want the entire dlc to be the cosmic realm and the more surreal parts of hell

[frail bloom]

Just mix the two

[harsh egret]

yes

[frail bloom]

Would satisfy both crowds

[frail bloom]

I think when dlc rolls around they'll add new maps

[mint venture]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-poster-dragon-gif-351000602723686655

[frail bloom]

So it would be 6 total

[harsh egret]

pretty much what they will be adding eventually, yes

[frail bloom]

Which is enough

Wouldn't it be cool if you could change the arena each wave

That's genius

[harsh egret]

eeh thats not necessary

[frail bloom]

Josh take notes pls

[harsh egret]

would be cool but i dont see that happening

[frail bloom]

Why it would add to the variety

Not all maps are equal to play in

[harsh egret]

im just talking about what devs would take the time and add

[frail bloom]

Well we don't know what takes a long time to develop

It's just a simple feature

[harsh egret]

im not saying it takes long

[vivid light]

Honestly I'd never use it aside from swapping between mace and gauntlets

[frail bloom]

But ppl can make their own mini horde mode campaigns

Changin the arena layout and allat

[harsh egret]

dont expect it

[frail bloom]

And balance encounters around the arenas you play in

[frail bloom]

Well duh no one is asking for it

but they should

[harsh egret]

we could ask for a million things they "could" add

that doesnt take time by itself

[frail bloom]

Ye and they surprisingly do it

[harsh egret]

what

[vivid light]

No I like them being distinct

[frail bloom]

We got an endless horde mode, we got a no slo mo slider, we might be getting a master level camapign, they're adding a community tab thing, melee and runeswap thing

[vivid light]

Besides, the cosmic realm seems to be tied to the wraiths so I'd like it to stick around as its own thing

[frail bloom]

Well whether you like it or not, the cosmic realm is eaten by Hell at some point

[harsh egret]

seems like mostly things they had planned beforehand lol, apart from the slowmo slider which is probably also just a slider to tune on their part

[frail bloom]

Shown by the tentacles

[frail bloom]

I don't think they planned melee and rune swap

They were on the fence abt those

And the quicker weapon swap too

It took some convincing

[vivid light]

Seems more like an alliance rather than absorption. Demons aren't supposed to be "corruptable" by another entity because they're already corrupted by Davoth. It seems still the realm is independent despite having no leadership

[harsh egret]

well last thing i care about imo is being able to change maps with waves, i would rather have like 10 other things if i had to choose

[frail bloom]

What demons they're lovecraftian creatures, those tentacles and allat you see are not demons, so I believe

They are turned demon, like the titans

[vivid light]

Cosmic cacodemons

They're morphed by the cosmic realm

[wintry nexus]

That’s crazy

[frail bloom]

Ye but the cosmic realm itself is not an extension of Hell

Until Hell usurps it

And when it does, it's a part of Hell

Like the umbral plains

[frail bloom]

Hmmm what would you want

10 things go

Cannot be what they're already making

[wintry nexus]

Woah

That’s crazier

[harsh egret]

im talking about ripatorium only

[vivid light]

No I mean more that it's still on a level similar to hell.

[frail bloom]

Ok go

[harsh egret]

it obv includes what they r working on cuz i already said some of those

[vivid light]

It's still a higher realm

[harsh egret]

before they announced anything

[frail bloom]

Ye but it most likely falls after the witch gets killed permanantly

Who the hell would be leading it

[frail bloom]

Ok but I want the ability to change the arena, I would like that

They're doing everything else might as well make another qol change

[vivid light]

Honestly I'd rather it be just in disarray and emptyness like now and in the future

[frail bloom]

You think Hell wouldn't eat the realm

It's up for grabs

All that real estate

[harsh egret]

its a feature not a qol change, it would take some time to code and make sure it works properly

time they could spend on like many other things

[frail bloom]

Ye it is a bit big I agree

[frail bloom]

But what if it's a 2.0 thing

I never said when they should implement it, just that they should

Given that they want to

[harsh egret]

eh

[frail bloom]

You eh

Eh this

[vivid light]

Oh wait I forgot it's dying so it's not on a realm on the level of hell lmao

[frail bloom]

[vivid light]

Yeah it's getting consumed by hell

[frail bloom]

Ye it's Hell's buffet

Nom nom

[vivid light]

Can we at least keep the cities?

[frail bloom]

Duh

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-jbtzxclsv-oh-well-what-gif-12113010

[vivid light]

Those were fire

[frail bloom]

But make it black colored

Call it the Babylon pit or smt

[harsh egret]

im just talking objectively about what would make sense and u dont like my answer, idk what to tell ya

i never disagreed with it not being cool

[frail bloom]

Well it coukd happen

[vivid light]

I also need a cosmic realm gun

[frail bloom]

But Hugo doesn't look in here so we'll never know

[frail bloom]

A gun that brings demons to you and if you parry it at the right time BOOOOM

[vivid light]

Well I know the chainshot is one iirc but I need one that's actually cool

[frail bloom]

My idea is cooler

I win

[vivid light]

The chainshot is just too boring to be a cosmic gun

Give me a gun that warps reality or something

[frail bloom]

You should've been able to parry the ball on the chain

For an extra hit

Would be visually and mechanically dynamic

[vivid light]

Lmao imagine just parrying the ball with your shield to have it bounce back

[frail bloom]

Ye it's also funny

Don't know why they didn't do it

At most parrying just charges it up

BOOOOOORRRIIIINNNGGG

💤

Ya see Josh is online so I believe he's spying on us

I'm not crazy

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-kropp-bernie-the-incredibles-theres-a-tack-gif-6465619827017573809

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-alert-minion-alert-crazy-feeling-crazy-gif-17516897

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

Josh put up thumbs up emoji if you're here

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-3613293371727723981

[quiet geyser]

I just finished the game

gonna start an ultranightmare because they made it 10x easier with the difficulty sliders

[frail bloom]

Who did that

I can't tell

Was it you Hato

I don't know who did it

It was Bajookie

Son of a gun

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-gif-25681041

[uneven mortar]

Looks like we got a funny guy here

[quiet geyser]

what has mor aura the slayer’s “run” or “no.”

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/maruder-tlc-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-gif-20139340

[remote canopy]

Yall what's the ost that plays during the mech section of chapter 21,I'm sure it's not atlan battleground

[static harness]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-gif-25596918

It’s not rip and tear i honestly forgot

Wait its atlan battle ground i think

[remote canopy]

It isn't

[solid nacelle]

Its colossus unleashed

[topaz oasis]

Ngl I was expecting doomguy to talk more in dark ages

[quiet geyser]

he’s just to pissed off to speak

[topaz oasis]

The Run. caught me by surprise tho ngl

[quiet geyser]

I honestly wanted him to talk a bit more than just “Run.”

[quiet geyser]

he was just badass the entire game

[static harness]

It’s Unchained Predator

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/g56M156NXis

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/3B34Wgldb_s

[wintry nexus]

That’s crazyyyy

[gusty seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvmlG2Ll4I&t=2s

[glacial gorge]

So glad they fixed the super shotgun in that recent update

I already enjoyed the game on my first playthrough but now im falling for it hard on my second playthrough

[mint venture]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-so-true-my-friend-halo-wars-spartan-meme-gif-26451791

[onyx sedge]

yall im new here and i have a question

whats ur favorite boss fight in dark ages

[unreal terrace]

The second vagary champion 100%

[onyx sedge]

mine is the one againt the old one

honestly

[unreal terrace]

The old one is pretty goated

[solar spoke]

I leave for a day and this happens?

[topaz oasis]

Enhanced Asswreck

[solid nacelle]

@frail bloom You actually got your thumbs up from Josh

[stone comet]

RUN

[uneven mortar]

doomguy has sigma aura...

[hearty edge]

enhanced asscrack

or big marhsmallow

and the young one is also good

[wheat sigil]

boyss

dark ages gaming today🗣️

[solar spoke]

Just played resurrection and it's harder than I remember (in a fun way, of course). I got annihilated repeatedly lol

[green estuary]

yeah it got a huge difficulty increase after 2.0

[gusty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-kreed-oh-my-science-kreed-kreeding-kreedshot-gif-22776871

[frail bloom]

Holy crap

[solar spoke]

tbf I am sick atm so I'm not at peak doom performance lol

[frail bloom]

Y'know what that means

Josh see's what we put here

[solar spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-2016-doom-4-doom-destructive-criticism-hell-razer-doom-gif-15978813926732819028

my aim right now

[frail bloom]

There's no stream this thursday too so we gotta wait another week

I reaaaalllyyy hope they share smt substantial

Or y'know maybe release smt👀

If time allows

[solid nacelle]

It will have been 3 weeks between streams so I imagine they'll have something to share

[uneven mortar]

I feel horrible for people who actually follow the streams dedicatedly

[harsh egret]

as in?

[solar spoke]

we're a dedicated bunch, the streams are fun though so it's worth the wait

[green estuary]

Is there not?

[harsh egret]

just love the game and hugo is one of the ppl in the industry i look up to so the streams are fun

[harsh egret]

nope, no stream

next one on the 25th

[solar spoke]

No, they said they'd be back in two weeks in announcements

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-15100229435411762062

fuck

[harsh egret]

Well then josh blink twice if u like the idea of doing a discord AMA with Hugo here at some point, i bet u loads of ppl would be happy, we been mentioning it for a couple months now i think and doing smth like this outside of the facebook group would be nice and also it would get a lot more people's questions answered than on stream
also, lots of ppl have great ideas and opinions for both updates... and future games :p

[uneven mortar]

Please separate the resource value slider into 3...

[fervent maple]

Yes please

I want tons of ammo from pickups but very little from melee

And getting 4 armor from a combat shotgun shot blows

[harsh egret]

I can write it down and try to ask on the hugo stream

[uneven mortar]

Pleaame

[harsh egret]

thats a good one tbh

[harsh egret]

which 3? melee resources, pickups, and then finishers?

[uneven mortar]

Ammunition, armor and health

[warm ibex]

uhhh can you ask for a large pretzel crust pepperoni and cheese pizza too

I'm getting kinda hungry

[violet lynx]

worst doom out of the trilogy

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[uneven mortar]

If you really suck at games

[warm ibex]

brah don't fall for the bait

he's doin that in the eternal modded multiplayer server too, no one is biting

[violet lynx]

did i say its the worst game or did i say its the worst doom game out of the TRILOGY

@warm ibex @uneven mortar

literally only 3 games

its a decent game its just the problem eternal and 2016 exists and existed for YEARS before it

[red peak]

The ragebait is crazy

[uneven mortar]

I win the ragebait-off. Again

[harsh egret]

im too european for this

[red peak]

Counter rage-bait: Doom Eternal is the worst in the franchise and Doom 3 is the best

[frail bloom]

Josh look at this message it's really, really cool

Like super duper cool

Super duper wuper cool

[unkempt dragon]

lol

[tropic adder]

I thought "RUN" was the lame placed word that had held no weight and that opportunity was wasted on... well THAT scene. However, today I learned DG just threw a "run" meme... And I absolutely love it, and won't accept it any other way. It's all in the perspective... And I think I finally found my angle.

[stiff bane]

i hate the hell knights

[warm ibex]

how come?

[hard thistle]

True

[formal wadi]

Counter Counter rage-bait: Gloom is better than Doom

[red peak]

Counter Counter Counter rage-bait: whats Gloom?

[formal wadi]

Counter Counter Counter Counter rage-bait: Gloom is a Doom Knockoff on the Amiga

[red peak]

Counter Counter Counter Counter Counter rage-bait: oh ok cool

[formal wadi]

🔞

[red peak]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dusty-dust-gif-24381214

[placid rampart]

Counter-Counter-Counter-Counter-Counter Ragebait: TekWar is the best fps of the ‘90s

[half marlin]

Counter-Counter-Counter-Counter-Counter-Counter Ragebait: tda is bad because it requires RT and music is not Mick's (also haven't played it only watched the trailer)

[strong moth]

Counter rage bait: all doom games before 2016 and after Eternal are terrible because they don’t have Mick.

[hard thistle]

Counter rage bait: all the games after doom 3 and before TDA are bad because they have Mick.

[formal wadi]

Counter Rage bait: Super Marathon is better than all doom games

[steady elbow]

I know you're all just being goofballs in here, but it is beginning to get a little spammy at this point.

[uneven dragon]

he’s right you know

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[uneven dragon]

under there

[solar spoke]

counter-counter argument: Lemmy is God (not rage bait lol)

[unkempt dragon]

Alright let's chill with the rage bait spam

[frail bloom]

Ye see it's all abt the meeeeemes

Always think abt the meme impact

Da meme culture

[unreal terrace]

bro this bug is SOOO annoying, i keep sprinting out of habit after the turret gun section of level 21, and it messes something up and then i can't interact with the hell tower to destroy it. i keep having to restart from the checkpoint and then do the WHOLE fight again

[solar spoke]

yeah that's been there since the beginning. I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed yet

[long heath]

Apparently you can stream TDA with PS+ as well

[frail bloom]

Hey look at that fm made the borderlands 4 ost

Awesome

I go in the comments and ofc you got some ppl calling it trash, what did this group even do I literally never heard of them till the dev direct but you got a lot of stingy people with their hate b*ners for this specific group with like 1k average views on each ost they publish

They committed a sin by existing

Speaking of the ost, do y'all think FM is still composing for the dlc?

Plus, given that I think dlc is releasing in feb, that means the composer has abt 5.5 months to compose for the dlc