the-dark-ages

[frail bloom]

No lay down and die

There's no point

He's closing the gap

10 miles

9 miles

8 miles

Yada yada

Alr I'm overdue on working on my thing

[sturdy crater]

I'm not going down without a fight

[frail bloom]

Me when I lie:

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-gif-6823241795540399689

[drowsy rock]

So i just got back to the game to try the new mode and it is absolutely amazing but how can i get the Slayer Skin that were announced?

[velvet elbow]

I just got out of the hospital, I am now unconditioned from doom bro

[unreal terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385521743724019853/1390019834036748308/attachment.gif

[velvet elbow]

I’m gonna cry bro, how am I supposed to rip and tear properly?

[frail bloom]

Idk eat a bean fajita and watch you rip and tear that toilet

[velvet elbow]

But I don’t want Mexican, I want Chinese

[frail bloom]

Ching ching

I'm kidding

[frail bloom]

What happened to you anyway

[velvet elbow]

So I woke up one day with a pain in my tailbone, thought I sat for too long so I went through the day

[frail bloom]

Right

[velvet elbow]

That night i could barely sleep and the pain got worse

So I forced myself to walk to the other side of campus for student health services

They were closed

[frail bloom]

And then

Right

[velvet elbow]

So I called an ambulance cus it was so bad

[frail bloom]

Where's your tailbone again

[velvet elbow]

Edge of your spine, behind the pelvis

[frail bloom]

Oof

I know that hurts

[velvet elbow]

So they did a cat scan, turns out i got 2 slipped disks

[exotic jetty]

Night

[frail bloom]

Your nerves are going crazy

[velvet elbow]

But that wasn’t even what happened

They did another at another hospital, I had a mass the size of my fist inside my body

[frail bloom]

From what

[velvet elbow]

Genetic

[frail bloom]

Right

[velvet elbow]

So they had to drain it

[frail bloom]

What did that affect in tou

[velvet elbow]

So much pain

So they had to drain about 8 cups of pus filled blood out of me

[frail bloom]

Not pain

Like what part of your body can't you use or feels weird using

[frail bloom]

I guess your whole body now that I read that

[velvet elbow]

Yep

[frail bloom]

Well honestly you went through a lot I wouldn't play a videogame that requires lots of muscle usage

In your hands

[velvet elbow]

Doctors told me if they didn’t find out, in a few days I would have gone septic and died

[frail bloom]

Terrrifying thought to have

[velvet elbow]

Oh no my blood is all back, but losing that much blood was so weird

It’s like being drunk and tired at the same time

[frail bloom]

Did they tell you to move around a bit and exericise

Or just chill out

[velvet elbow]

No, they drained it and that fixed everything

[frail bloom]

Hmm

[velvet elbow]

I almost died because of the equivalent of a zit on steroids

Except internal

[frail bloom]

So do you feel really tired

[drowsy rock]

Just got back to the game and man Ripatorium is fun

[velvet elbow]

I feel REALLY weird

[frail bloom]

Or your limbs feel like they don't work

[frail bloom]

Ye almost dying can do that won't it

[velvet elbow]

As I said it feels like I’m drunk and tired at the same time

I had to be guided inside cus I almost passed out and fell over

[frail bloom]

Ye I'd chill off from any sort of media that requires you to hyperfocus

Honestly

[velvet elbow]

Probably

[frail bloom]

Take a nap

[velvet elbow]

I probably should, I got class tomorrow

[frail bloom]

Huh

Where do you live

[velvet elbow]

College of Charleston campus

[frail bloom]

I got class in a week

[velvet elbow]

2nd week of class, terrible way to start

[frail bloom]

But I'm in highschool so that explains that

[velvet elbow]

Also this all was revealed because I squatted 400 lbs

Which slipped disks, which alerted doctors to the mass

[frail bloom]

Did squatting that result in the tumor

Oh

No I see

[velvet elbow]

It wasn’t really a “tumor”, there just is no other classification for that sort of thing

[frail bloom]

I see

[velvet elbow]

As I said like an internal zit

Except the size of my fist

[frail bloom]

Disgusting

[velvet elbow]

Not really

It was mostly blood, no skin difference

[frail bloom]

Hm

[velvet elbow]

In fact you couldn’t even see it from the outside

They did the CT scan and realized “what the fuck is that?”

[frail bloom]

Can't really visualize that obviously

[velvet elbow]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

Giant blood zit bubble but you can't see it

[velvet elbow]

Yep

It sucked too

Shot me up with lidocaine and morphine

And I still almost kicked the doctor

[frail bloom]

I can imagine but I can't feel what you felt

You pulled through

[velvet elbow]

I ain’t dead

[frail bloom]

Now you gotta rest

[velvet elbow]

And now I know what blood loss feels like

But yeah I gotta rest

I should eat first, I need iron

[frail bloom]

Since it's the second week of school I can't imagine you have such a work load

You can manage it fine if you're willing

Which I know you are

400 pounds like damn

[velvet elbow]

Yeah man

It saved my life

Btw what foods have iron in them

[frail bloom]

Beats me

I just eat

[velvet elbow]

Fair enough

[frail bloom]

Not fat tho

[velvet elbow]

Time to crawl downstairs and raid the fridge

[frail bloom]

I'm not fat

[velvet elbow]

I’m a bigger guy, but I use the fat to build muscle when lifting

[frail bloom]

I'm kinda short

[velvet elbow]

How short?

[frail bloom]

Like 5'7

[velvet elbow]

bro I’m 5ft tall

[frail bloom]

And my legs are shorter than the average ppl

[frail bloom]

Welp I have no reason to complain

[velvet elbow]

Talking about short, you tower over me bro

[frail bloom]

Hm

How much do you weigh

[velvet elbow]

About 185

[frail bloom]

Ofc you've converted a lot of it

[velvet elbow]

Muscle weighs more than fat

[frail bloom]

So it's not a lot of fat

[velvet elbow]

Still a decent amount

Think Thor from God of War but shorter

[frail bloom]

I'm like 185

[velvet elbow]

So you’re me but stretched out

[frail bloom]

I used to be 195

Yay weight loss

I kinda like weight loss

[velvet elbow]

You’re at the average weight for someone your age and height tho

So I wouldn’t worry too much

[frail bloom]

Really

Cuz my friend put my weight, height and age on a bmi calculator and it said obese

I was shocked cuz I'm obviously not planet rounded

[velvet elbow]

Do not worry about BMI

[frail bloom]

He can't make fun of me if I lose weight tho!

Checkmate

[frail bloom]

What

[velvet elbow]

to put it into perspective, BMI was invented by a psychologist and never approved by any official medical board

[frail bloom]

Figures

[velvet elbow]

It does not put muscle, fat, bones, or literally the density of any part of you into account

[frail bloom]

My friend is way smarter than me so he talks abt things and uses things I don't really understand

[velvet elbow]

I would just look into things you don’t understand so you do have some sort of idea

[frail bloom]

So my dumbass just thought "welp, I'm fat"

Damn

[velvet elbow]

Yeah man you gotta be careful

[frail bloom]

With what

[velvet elbow]

Just in general with things you hear, don’t assume it’s always true

The same things you can look up online there are sources saying the opposite

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm very gullible

I usually just trust ppl with their word but it's not easy to to that outside the family

Even my family can't keep promises

Promises don't mean anything anymore

[velvet elbow]

Well, you gotta learn to think for yourself

If you surround yourself with the fire of others you will forget how to kindle your own

[frail bloom]

Well it's easier to call a bluff and have someone prove themselves

So ye I could do that more

[velvet elbow]

Exactly

[frail bloom]

Do any of y'all have that feeling that you're not smart, you just remember things cuz you have to, until you don't

I do really well in school but I'm always so slow and empty headed so it's weird

[velvet elbow]

Intelligence isn’t a measure of what you know

Intelligence can be many different things

[frail bloom]

Ye I agree

[velvet elbow]

Emotional, psychological, academic, practical…

Some are just more in tune with you than others

[frail bloom]

But it's weird, if I'm not really intelligent, but my intelligence is scaled to my grades, then that's a big problem

School always felt so easy even tho others who were smarter had it harder

I guess if I do what I'm told, I do it

Which doesn't sit right with me

[velvet elbow]

You know how to do what you’re told which is more than what others can do

[frail bloom]

Ye, and it does take a lot of work at times, but it's basically guaranteed

But I'm not an adult

No idea how the real world works

I gotta be able to work on the fly

[velvet elbow]

Trust me, you’re not supposed to at your age

[frail bloom]

Well I'm kinda doing a precursor to that sorta stuff

[velvet elbow]

When you get a job or go to college or do a trade, it will hit you like a truck, definitely hit me

[frail bloom]

I got an college class and I gotta write essays with no prep and a quiz each week with 30 chapters to read a week

[velvet elbow]

Think of it this way, every adult you see is actually an teen pretending to be a truck, and the mentality never goes away

[frail bloom]

But it's in highschool

[frail bloom]

Hmm

[velvet elbow]

You’ll figure it out

Just give it time

Now I really gotta sleep, the blood loss is still hitting me

[frail bloom]

Ye way overdue for that

[velvet elbow]

Night man, I’ll be seeing ya

[frail bloom]

Cya

[frank turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/condestável-condestavel-wojak-doomer-wojak-scary-wojak-gif-12758665197812043739

[uneven pumice]

Doom the fart ages

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-demon-2016-gif-10925418

doom the glory kill ages

[solemn mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[subtle fern]

Bethesda pls lower price for doom the dark ages

[harsh egret]

shouldve bought when it was on sale :d

[vivid light]

When will they fix the ssg bruh

[green estuary]

It was 52 bucks before quakecon
Gotta wait for it to go on sale again

[wheat sigil]

atp it's just an intended feature

[vivid light]

It's so horrible because I loved the ssg but now it's useless

[sleek verge]

laughs in broke but has it anyway

[vague sinew]

They will revert the ssg sooner or later.

[harsh egret]

like i said, its prob better to just lose hope and move on

and if a fix comes then cool xd

[solid nacelle]

Dawg wtf I'm in the city of ryuul that one arena that starts with the vagary and cacodemon, and towards the end when the agaddon and revenant spawn a bunch of other guys like stalker imps and arachnotrons, who I've never seen there before, started appearing. I hadn't even killed the vagary yet so it got kind of ridiculous

I dont think this game does as good a job at managing its trigger demons like eternal was tbh

[harsh egret]

ik they added some maintains in some areas, that fight to me didnt seem particularly unfun or anything

[green estuary]

The trigger demons are indeed pretty goofy in some fights
Like that one in reckoning with the baron that becomes so much easier if you leave the armored mancubus alive

They’re like the double marauder fight in mars core master level (the one where the second marauder only spawns once you kill the cyber manc) but not in a good way
The fight’s difficulty shouldn’t hinge on your knowledge of what specific demons trigger what spawns

[harsh egret]

i can agree

[solar cairn]

Fix done?

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[solar cairn]

Hugo, save us

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[hard thistle]

doom where

hugo ssg fix?

[sage schooner]

Ugh man I swear they need to fix when we miss melee strikes despite the target being in our crosshair. I enjoy this game overall but I have higher expectations on bug fixes and balancing especially since they don’t have to focus on a multiplayer mode.

[harsh egret]

no focus on multiplayer but keep in mind they r also working on a bunch of stuff anyway

[warm ibex]

DLC primarily

which I do wonder if that slows down the bug fixing process to any degree

[green estuary]

I’ve never heard about this one
If you miss a melee strike and your target is in your crosshairs then the only thing that I can think of is that you’re just too far away from them

[harsh egret]

that and ng+ and so on, i would assume so

(or master levels)

ill just be calling it ng+ lol

[warm ibex]

that's easier lol

[green estuary]

I’m tempering my expectations because I know better than to hope
But a ng+ campaign would be so incredibly based

[harsh egret]

probably gonna be in a major patch sometime between now and dlc

[sage schooner]

I’ll try and get a clip of it when I play.

I’m excited for the DLC but I just hope they try to fix the bugs and make balancing changes as we go along. The impaler change was pretty awesome.

[warm ibex]

That's what they've been doing and will continue to do!

[green estuary]

I explicitly hope they don’t make any more balance changes
Other than maybe buffing the flail and reverting the ssg

[harsh egret]

balancing stuff they are more or less done with

but they r working on bugs

[warm ibex]

hugo says that, but I expect another few months of balancing after DLC drop

and maybe even when master levels start releasing

[harsh egret]

i think the game is in a good state as it is rn tbh but idk

when it comes to balancing

the impaler is still kinda busted but oh well

[warm ibex]

As it should be imho

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-staring-suspicious-memes-gif-9038143639402170425

[warm ibex]

I'm beyond bored of super tight balancing

[green estuary]

Me when I know the impaler has aim assist but I can’t prove it

[harsh egret]

lmao

[warm ibex]

nah it definitely does 😭

[marble seal]

Grenade Launcher needs a small buff

[harsh egret]

naah

[marble seal]

A tiny one?

[harsh egret]

a tiny one or none at all, idc rly

[green estuary]

Nah
It lets you play like a lil bitch

[harsh egret]

just leave it as it is

[marble seal]

How so?

🤔

[green estuary]

It allows you to damage enemies without actually facing them

Basically cover shooting in a sense
Which goes against the game’s combat philosophy

[warm ibex]

hell yeah, we gotta keep guns weaker because like five people might use them in a way we don't agree with

that's the good shit

[green estuary]

I mean it’s adequately powerful anyway

[marble seal]

Understood
I forgot a bit

[warm ibex]

oh for sure, but I don't disagree with the sentiment that it could use a bit of a buff

a small one

[marble seal]

A tiny buff and a big nerf

Wouldn't that make sense?

[sage schooner]

Yeah I agree that we shouldn’t need to shoot behind cover all the time. With that being said, if you load up the arena with quite a few super heavies (especially pressure units), you constantly have to turn and run. Some of that is definitely healthy and needed for a dynamic, engaging game loop, but there’s no way you can “stand and fight” consistently. That’s why I think we need a little extra crowd control or I-frames to make the slayer feel like a true tank. I’d say that for now I still feel more tanky in eternal given the amount of damage we could do and our survivability is better.

[sturdy crater]

I tried to do a new playthrough to try to work around the melee trophy glitch, I saved all my coins and rubies until chapter 15 where I get the dread mace, and then upgrade everything at once, the trophy still didn't unlock

I swear I did not upgrade a single thing until chapter 15

I just want my platinum man, why the game gotta do me so dirty, I'm just missing melee and berserker

[silent surge]

grenade launcher is good against vagaries
also chain shot i hear

[green estuary]

Vagaries are parry charged rocket food

[sage schooner]

I'll have to give the grenade launcher against them then! I've mainly just used the chainshot for a lot of the armored enemies since the SSG nerfs against armor. Even with only 75% damage reduction to demons, the SSG just can't hold its own against them.

[silent surge]

i’ll try chainshot on the vagary more too though i don’t really use it

[silent surge]

absolutely! 3 parries spread apart is perfect

[frank turtle]

accelerator melts them too, just gotta be a little careful

[green estuary]

Accelerator melts everything tbf

[warm ibex]

vagary ass melter

although it's a bit hard to stay behind the normal variants

[upbeat junco]

Vagary champ watching me ignore his armor after i impale the mancubus with the saw and start bouncing rounds off him into the unarmored cheeks

[wheat sigil]

@green estuary it was the first belly of the beast fight you said was brutal now right

[green estuary]

Even before the update it was probably the hardest fight in the game yeah

[paper jay]

Doom

[restive timber]

What are the best weapons to upgrade?

[solid nacelle]

I try to max out my gauntlet asap

2nd shield upgrade is high priority also

[warm blaze]

Hell yeah

[green estuary]

shield upgrades are pretty huge early on
but in terms of guns, you can really get away with upgrading anything
the only thing I'd say isn't really worth it is the wraithstone upgrade for the grenade launcher

[restive timber]

Awesome thanks, how about the flail?

[solid nacelle]

I think for guns I like to do impaler, accelerater and chainshot first, when I get rocket launcher I try and max that one out before I finish the level

[green estuary]

it does basically no damage, and the armor it generates isn't really that significant

[restive timber]

Aw it’s so cool tho, what a shame

[green estuary]

I'd go with the combat shotgun and/or ground fissure if you want armor

[solid nacelle]

Yeah i like to just use ground fissure for armor

I wish I used the combat shotgun more tbh

[restive timber]

I like it with the fire upgrade for armor

[drowsy aurora]

Yeah the Flail is WORTHLESS

Which is funny seeing that's the weapon Doom Slayer kills Ahzrak with.

Dreadmace is still the best Melee even with nerfs imo

[restive timber]

That makes me sad 😔

[scenic lichen]

flail buff please

[silent surge]

i use it for the armor. breaks enemy armor too

[brave spoke]

What rune do you guys run

[green estuary]

ground fissure

[hearty edge]

that sounds like the dark lord but way better

cough stone imps cough spirits

yeah i dont want that

[verbal void]

Shield obviously

[verbal void]

Wym it literally handles me well?

[verbal void]

Shield bash

[hearty edge]

i know i was just talking about tag where the full auto was needed

[verbal void]

Stone imps aren’t that bad imo

Spirits? Target the non possessed demons if you don’t got microwave beam

[solid nacelle]

Imagine an enemy that you could only defeat with the parry charged rocket or something stupid like that

[hearty edge]

well everyone has their own playstile but imo i'd use power gauntlet any day over the flail

[hearty edge]

aw nah

[hearty edge]

it does like 200 direct damage r smth

[verbal void]

Why do i never see chainshot mentioned

Like literally top 3 weapons for me

If not, #1 weapon for me

[solid nacelle]

Yeah it's one of my most used but I hate how it messes up my shielding sometimes

[hearty edge]

for me it goes

1. Impaler
2. Rocket
3. Grenade
4. Chainshot

[verbal void]

Chainshot fully upgraded literally op against bosses

Asscrack(both enhanced and not) were ez with chainshot

[hearty edge]

when they make the ssg great again it'll probbly be 2 or 1

[wooden dock]

Ssg.... please.... hugo
We're starving...

[hearty edge]

oh wait

accelerator at 3

what weapon is slot 4

oh the skullcrushers

i'm pretty sure i have never used them in my 2nd playtrough

[restive timber]

Skullcrushers is badass

Spray and pray

[hearty edge]

i feel the ravager is just a worse accelerator

and the pulverizer is like why tf u not using shield throw/bash for the same-ish effect

[fervent maple]

The Ravager is really good for sustain and it has better accuracy, though I couldn't tell you what else it's good for since I kinda stop thinking about what weapon I'm using by the time I get it

The Pulverizer is pretty damn good once you fully upgrade it. Even if the damage is subpar, the utility from the movement speed is something no other weapon gives you. Shield bash has a very small cooldown so it isn't as consistent as the raw movement speed.

I still prefer the Accelerator, but the skullcrushers have their uses

[hearty edge]

oh i forgor about the speed boost

[fervent maple]

The Ravager was pretty damn good day one, but I think it's been nerfed since then. At the very least, the Komodo slightly resists it now, so it's not as good against them or the Komodo Champion

I prefer the Pulvizer between the two but that's just a playstyle thing

Even so, the sustain from the Ravager can't be ignored, it's bonkers

[green estuary]

It’s not like the game is impossible using it or anything
But objectively speaking it’s just worse than the other two options by far

[hearty edge]

i think that 600 direct damage is worse than 10k+

[fervent maple]

The flail should be the first melee weapon you get instead of the gauntlet

A mod that does that came out recently and it feels a lot better

[meager vortex]

flail is good close combat weapon

[hearty edge]

well technically all melee weapons are close combat weapons

[meager vortex]

flail>gauntlet>mace

mace is powerful but

charge time is no good

mace is useful glory strike

[green estuary]

the mace windup is a complete non issue

[fervent maple]

The gauntlet is fantastic against single targets and if you want to have your melee available all the time. They are super consistent but offer no utility against groups.

The mace is similar in that its single target damage is insane and works as great burst damage if you are willing to deal with the slow windup and lack of charges. It's more often than not the best one, but there have been many times where I've wanted the gauntlet.

The flail is supposed to be good at aoe damage and resource regeneration, but it only gives like 2 to 4 armor per swing and the damage is backloaded onto the aoe damage, which most enemies resist anyway. It's severely underpowered and only really shines against armor, so it has low synergy with weapons like the SSG and Chainshot (one of which you have by the time you get the flail, the other you get in the same level).

Gauntlet is my favorite but I would argue that the mace is the single best weapon in the game

[green estuary]

I thought the gauntlet was better against single targets than the mace, but that was before I learned that 1 mace swing deals the same single target damage as 4 gauntlet strikes

[restive timber]

Yeah but flail looks cool

[fervent maple]

The flail really needs a buff

[green estuary]

I heard somebody made a mod for that

[fervent maple]

Or they should switch the order in which you get it and the gauntlet

[silent surge]

i like getting armor from it even if it’s not much. it’s nice for fodder walking around too

[fervent maple]

As much as I love my mods, I would like it if everyone had access to an actually usable flail

[green estuary]

true

but I do love when I pull off a perfectly timed 4 hit combo against a baron and it literally deals less than 15% of his health bar

[fervent maple]

That's fair, and I think it's aesthetically really cool. Problem is that it doesn't fulfill any of its roles well, especially on UV and above. There's even a damage cap on the aoe damage against imps and chaingunners, which is just... why?

[green estuary]

just makes me want to not even use it against heavies because it’s more efficient to just keep shooting them

[fervent maple]

It sucks for the weapon that's all over the marketing to be so subpar

[green estuary]

insult

[fervent maple]

Not like that's unusual in gaming lmao

[wooden dock]

Even for that purpose the ground fissure rune outclasses it, as well as generating passive armor far more cost efficiently

[green estuary]

ground fissure is great because its whole gimmick isn’t armor generation
So you actually get good damage and a guaranteed falter in addition to the (somewhat small) amount of armor

[wooden dock]

My only issue with the rune system is i cant stick to any of them because pretty much all of them feel useful

Only one i dont like is daggers, which dont really feel like they have any real application other than ok damage that only applies to rabdom enemies

[silent surge]

the daggers?

holy swarm has very high DPS

[green estuary]

that’s just this game in a nutshell
pretty much every gun/melee/rune works if you plan your strategy around it
but they’re all so fun to use, and you can just switch stuff around whenever you feel like it

[wooden dock]

Idk it just doesnt feel very rewarding, more of a me thing i guess

[green estuary]

the damage from daggers is ridiculous

I’ve had one parry put a full health cyberdemon into glory strike daze

[wooden dock]

It'll be way nicer being able to just switch them on command. Its super jarring having to open the menu

[solid nacelle]

It doesn't help that the menu is slower to navigate than it was in eternal

There's like a buffer between tabs for no reason

[cedar pollen]

Sorry to detract, but I complained about how the button remberence function worked but I dont remember where someone on here told me to go to actually submit it where it could be seen

[restive timber]

What are your opinions on the music for this game?

[sturdy crater]

it's servicable... but I miss mick gordon

[restive timber]

Same, nothing compares to the beat drops in doom eternal

[uneven dragon]

I disagree :P

[meager vortex]

mick gordon he just quit

because he have a make a sound tracks

busy

[frail bloom]

I mean I prefer Eternal's but serviceable just feels wrong to say

It gives the feeling that there is no nuance and if it's not mick it's eh

[meager vortex]

finish move doom the dark ages sound track is good

[frail bloom]

Plus I'm going to die on the hill, that I think BFG division is a very repetitive track

It's main riff everyone loves repeats like 3 or 4 times and only changes up at the last 30 seconds

Going off a tangent too, I just don't like the criticism of "it needs more synths" without saying where and why it would fit in any scenario

I'd be fine if they said, "in the cosmic realm", that makes sense, but the you have some dud who remixes unchained predator into a cultist base knock off and I just roll my eyes

It's also very annoying that not many ppl hear the chunky bass segments from all the songs

Those that sound akin to the imps song

Literally no one includes them in their mixes nor did Fm even tho they slap

I'm always the one talking the most

[solid nacelle]

That, and meathook

[frail bloom]

Ye and yet you have actual music composers bringing the same argument against Fm when their main riffs always have variations in their songs

I saw one say Infernal Chasm has no variation in it's main riff but BFG division and Harbringer are just sitting their unchecked

I wouldn't really include meathook tho it does have some variation

A teensy bit

[frank turtle]

hi chat

[green estuary]

Personally I like BFG 10k more than BFG division lmao

Goofy take I know

[frail bloom]

(I haven't listened to that yet)

[green estuary]

It’s the mars core heavy music

[frail bloom]

Ohhh

Eh

[hearty edge]

now, does 4 power gauntlet charges charge faster than a mace charge

[hearty edge]

i handt listened to it with headphones but omg it's great

[green estuary]

Great question
Maybe I can look in the game files

[hearty edge]

although thinking abt it parrying does give you an extra mace charge with the last upgrade so i'd say the biggest thing about the mace is the long windup

and having no charges for a long time

[solid nacelle]

Yeah there is however the perk of having all of the mace's damage be in one swing, meanwhile to squeeze all the damage out of the gauntlet you have to be able to land all four hits in the series without it resetting

Plus the extra swing it's really quite crazy

At this point I'm really just using the gauntlet because it's more visually appealing

[green estuary]

the first two hits of the gauntlet do barely any damage
the kick and the fourth strike together make up almost 90% of the total damage in a four hit combo

[scenic lichen]

thats just a little bit goofy lol

[meager vortex]

ripatorium mode 2.0 i want ahzrak and witch and kreed maykr

i want boss battle

[sturdy crater]

I was trying to be respectful

[uneven mortar]

SSG...

[foggy breach]

Dawg, you ain't the only one because I think so too.

[silent surge]

there’s different sections to em

[silent surge]

you mean cinder’s theme? https://youtu.be/cRmwFBK0cyk?si=wrRmKpR_pY5dAkHu

38 seconds in

rather, 1:02

[daring osprey]

What are people weapons tier list , rune tier list and melee tier list

[uneven dragon]

i mean yea but it hits hard

[short mountain]

rune:

1. lightnibg one
2. dagger
3. earthquake
4. auto turret

melee:
1: dreadmace
2. gauntlet
3. flail

[drowsy aurora]

Auto Turret is great for eliminating single target demons

[naive knoll]

You shall receive:

https://www.nexusmods.com/doomthedarkages/mods/24?tab=posts

[mossy geyser]

Anyone else get a rpg game type feel from the game?

[remote thunder]

The fight’s difficulty shouldn’t hinge on your knowledge of what specific demons trigger what spawns
why not?

[upbeat junco]

guns:

1. rocket launcher
2. ssg
3. accelerator
4. shredder

runes:

1. ground fissure
2. heaven splitter
3. turret
4. daggers (i put daggers as last cause they're so good they make the game unfun for me)

Melee:

1. Gauntlets
2. Ezmace
3. Flail

wanted to put heaven splitter as third cause projectile parries with it active don't charge up melee but i recognize its insane crowd control potential

so im putting it at 2

[frail slate]

Is there any information on when the next patch that adds content like master level or the DLC will drop. Or no info on that?

[harsh egret]

nope

[graceful lion]

i have a date, and its soon™

[maiden onyx]

personally makes me feel like I’m taking the easy way out. But it’s pedantic; depends on if I want to feel like a mastermind surgically controlling the battlefield or an adaptable menace who can’t be stopped by anything

[inland beacon]

Sorry chat the dark ages previous title of my favorite game has now been taken by helldivers 2

[uneven mortar]

I have literally started and 100%ed Donkey Kong Bananza in the time it's taken them to fix the SSG

[frank turtle]

yeah it's bonkers

[graceful lion]

do it twice

[green estuary]

Because it’s cheap
And in an arena with a super heavy or two in it, there’s no reason to make the trigger demon some random heavy

[upbeat junco]

has it been fixed

ofc this shit happens when i have to study 💢

[daring osprey]

I think the ssg here sucks balls

The reload animation is 1 goofy , 2 it’s not the ssg from eternal

[mental grotto]

They still haven’t fucking fixed the ssg bug LOL

[alpine whale]

what bug?

[mental grotto]

The reload thing I presume people are talking about

[alpine whale]

i haven't played doom the dark ages in a bit since i 100%ed it

[solid nacelle]

The new update made it so you can't block while reloading ssg

[alpine whale]

ah i see

[solid nacelle]

Which is taking forever to be fixed which I can only hope could mean there are other bug fixes coming with it but that's wishful thinking

[alpine whale]

it'll probably be patched soon, plus doom the dark ages is still getting support (a dlc will maybe arrive eventually)

[naive wigeon]

eternal ssg is cool but i like how beefy the ssg feels in this game it reminds me more of the one in doom 2

it just sucks that u cant block during its reloading animation but if theyre going to make it like that they should at least give it a damage buff or something to make it a high risk high reward type of thing 😭

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[spare creek]

Everywhere

[neon gust]

Finally got the QuakeCon skin. Probably top 3 Slayer skins so far

[drowsy aurora]

Pre nerf SSG was amazing

Could one tap most heavies and immediately popped armor

But that was too much apparently

[daring osprey]

I just started my first play through

I think the ssg sucks peepee .

[exotic jetty]

Fair

[daring osprey]

Been using the combat shotgun 85% of my run until I realized how busted the rail thingy was

[exotic jetty]

Yea

[alpine whale]

The ssg used to be cracked

[exotic jetty]

I like rail spike but ssg is my personal fav

[daring osprey]

for reals . The animation kills it for me . Takes as long as my ex did to get ready / reload 💀

[exotic jetty]

Yea

Bruh that fukin funny

[daring osprey]

Rail spike thingy is my secondary weapon

[topaz oasis]

does anyone have some tips for a UN first timer other than playing it safe?

[daring osprey]

watch this guy

[exotic jetty]

I have 2 fav weapons ssg#2 combat shotgun#1 I love this gun

[daring osprey]

https://youtu.be/D7OPzp6tOvU?si=ldcVMTbznDjZL0-U

he makes UN look like a walk in the park

[exotic jetty]

Cool would've picked zero master but that's still a really good pick👍

[topaz oasis]

I dont wanna speedrun the thing

[exotic jetty]

Yea he does

[daring osprey]

Don’t think of it as a speedrun. Think of it as an UN play through, just faster

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-3d-blast-3d-blast-3d-gif-2483163906317407726

[hearty edge]

i'm waiting for the update 2 nerf reversing

[hearty edge]

both the shredder and impaler are great

[upbeat junco]

calling the ssg reload goofy is definitely one of the takes

how can a lever action side by side double barrel not be cool but goofy

[sturdy crater]

my favorite gun at least for boss fights is the chain ball

fully charged smack to the face after every parry

[lament lotus]

If you have trouble with mancubi, the SSG can rip off one of its arms to make it less threatening.

Plus it obliterated arachnotrons quite well

[solemn mauve]

Imo, any gun that uses lever action increases the coolness factor of said gun

[upbeat junco]

yeah

[daring osprey]

Wish it was faster than tbh

[upbeat junco]

use the combat shotgun then

[daring osprey]

Not as powerful

The three shot per shot upgrade seems mid

[silent surge]

great for armor

[hearty edge]

nah its great

[silent surge]

is there any way to copy a save file, like we did for doom eternal? i hadn’t seen it. before, you could move the save file’s folder out and make a copy. or use a save manager thing

[green estuary]

It’s only good because the super shotgun is ass rn

I’ve said it before but in the two games where a full auto shotgun would be amazing, they gave us three round burst
And of course they gave us full auto in the game with the least amount of ammo to make use of it

[arctic pagoda]

Howdy, Any word on DLCs?

[exotic jetty]

Idk

[desert mortar]

Я не могу запустить дум Дарк эйдж на 24гб оперативки, что делать?

Карта АМД Радион рх6400

[solar cairn]

Fix done?

[solemn mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-no-nope-not-doing-it-never-gif-16758419287806165606

[exotic jetty]

Funny

[uneven mortar]

This guy pisses me off

[solemn mauve]

Wait, OK so I really have no idea who this guy is, what does he do???

[solemn mauve]

I found this gif funny so I used it

[uneven mortar]

Idk but there are hundreds of gifs of him, i think hes a streamer

[solemn mauve]

Oh... Well ok

[inland beacon]

This streamer is pissing me off. Im the original starwalker

[green estuary]

“I have no idea who this guy is, but he pisses me off”
The internet in a nutshell

[exotic jetty]

Yeah, you're not wrong.

[verbal void]

Oh right THATS BECAUSE IT IS

[long summit]

Can we finally be done with putting dark souls like mechanics in other games like DOOM now

[harsh egret]

give me examples of that

as in what "dark souls like" mechanics annoy u being in doom

[exotic jetty]

Type shit

[daring osprey]

For reals.

One or two good shots

https://tenor.com/view/samus-aran-metroid-fusion-dance-game-over-death-gif-7888795490820808469

[daring osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/running-jojo-bizzare-adventure-gif-26500900

I’ll try it on my next play through

[green estuary]

Such as

[daring osprey]

That’s because you’ve learned spawns point

[silent surge]

just depends

could do UN 100%

[uneven mortar]

Is it fixed

When will it be fixed

[arctic pagoda]

What if the doom that we experienced was the friends we made along the way?

[hearty edge]

wtf i'm literally watching battle tendency rn

[daring osprey]

Dubbed or subbed

[long summit]

Bosses that take mechanics instead of just letting you shoot in what is an FPS, Eternal DLC 2 final boss is straight out of Elden Ring Souls Like nonsense, haven't the energy to start Dark Ages anyway

[daring osprey]

Both are good

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[hearty edge]

oh sub

i can't help hearing tatakai all the time bc of aot

[uneven mortar]

Look who blew in from Frown Town

[green estuary]

the dark lord is ass
this is pretty agreed upon in the community
he's also not at all representative of what eternal is as a whole

[hearty edge]

theres a literal enemy that you have to shoot at until it dies

[sudden stump]

anything that requires you to press more than one button

[latent rock]

No way

[hard thistle]

At this point i'm sure GTA VI is releasing before ssg fix

[hearty edge]

rage bait used to be believable

[latent rock]

Bud I absolutely hate soulslikes and I loved the dark ages

Parrying has existed in game well before dark souls

[scenic lichen]

The dark lord is the worst boss in the franchise by a landslide and shouldn't be used to generalize doom's game design

I responded to an earlyiermessage, but at least try TDA just bcs it has parrying doesn't make it a "souls like mechanic"

[sudden stump]

I think most people that were born before Dark Souls came out understand this

[latent rock]

Master halo

[sudden stump]

people also called Eternal "the dark souls of FPS" despite no parrying so idk lol

[midnight kayak]

eternal is not like dark souls

[latent rock]

People compare anything difficult to darksouls for some reason

[midnight kayak]

ikr

[sudden stump]

Yeah that's what I mean, it's kind of a oversimplification but it really happens when you talk to some people about it

like if they can't turn their brain off or disassociate then it's suddenly a different genre

[midnight kayak]

elden ring is tough but not that tough

[arctic pagoda]

Hii

Soulslike is specific for me

Figured if it's got some sort of temporary currency, stamina management, specific checkpoint and leveling system, it's a soulslike

[sudden stump]

all of which existed in games long before DS

[arctic pagoda]

I know

You don't lose any money when you die in dark ages

Oh

I like dark souls

If Nintendo put more dark souls on the switch, would that be a Nintendo DS?

[uneven mortar]

Paper Mario needs to stop ripping off dark souls with its parrying mechanics

[drowsy aurora]

Damn, I just did the Mech levels with the new slider changes and revams

They def aren't brain dead anymore.

[placid rampart]

Hey, not sure if anyone else has experienced this, but in the Kar'Thul Marshes (not sure I spelt that right) level of the dark ages, I come across a leader shield that for some reason won't go down despite me killing all of the surrounding demons. This is preventing me from finishing the game., Here's my gameplay footage capturing what's happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA6qFnjV7aI
Is this a bug in the game? Or did I just completely miss something important?

[arctic pagoda]

Most likely there's a random fodder enemy around

Either that or it's just a visual bug

[rugged hill]

will the crucible return in the DLC and will it be like a shield dash that has a massive AOE effect?

[uneven mortar]

Are they planning to ship the SSG fix with the DLC or something lmao

[rugged hill]

i would big nut for the crucible to come back

[sudden stump]

It'll come with official modding support

[sudden stump]

Crucible can't return because it has to stay in that titan until Eternal. Would like to see another energy weapon though similar to the hammer

[arctic pagoda]

We can get the crucible if we go to Taras nabad

[marble seal]

Ehhhh

No

Maybe? Not pretty sure

[arctic pagoda]

Hopefully it's not another Warhammer

Eternal gave us a lightsaber and TAG gave us a glowing rock

[solid nacelle]

At this point in the story taras nabad already happened to it's likely impossible to have the crucible in this game

[meager vortex]

next month or next next month NG+ update?

[solemn mauve]

Lmao, helldivers 2 has arrived on Xbox before the ssg fix

[cobalt fog]

What if we take up noviks axe in the dlc

That would be sick

[uneven mortar]

I hope if they add new weapons in DLC they're usable in NG+

[random sand]

Would surprise me if they weren't

[solar cairn]

It’s already full of weapons, where else?

Except that an alternative option for a chainshot

[uneven mortar]

There's room for one more melee, shield rune and reaver weapon imo

[meager vortex]

maybe crucible

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-crucible-doom-slayer-crucible-gif-26209346

imagine dark ages version

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[vivid light]

Wait it's coming that soon?

[graceful lion]

the amount of shit you can do with official support so soon ❤️

if its confirmed that is

[shadow flame]

man I just don't get this game at all
Why do they give you three melee options if they all do borderline the same damn thing. What the hell are these ""options""?
The flail is just a weaker power gauntlet, "oh but it gives you armor" yeah like 18 shards for all three hits. Which makes no difference mid combat since you will lose it all after a single hit anyway, and it wastes your chance to equip the power gauntlet which deals more damage. But then why would I use the power gauntlet if the dreadmace sweeps every superheavy like nothing else in the game?
There are so many weapons that, in a nutshell, do the same thing. What's the point? There is like three that have reasons for why would you pick them over other ones. It feels like there are so many options, but most of them are completely superflous
Shield runes? The best one is the last one as it actually makes a difference after parrying a projectile, as you stun enemies around you which gives you room for air if you need it? Every other one is just "Deals Damage", and any health refilling that they can do after upgrading is way too minimal to matter, just like with the flail

[graceful lion]

jarvis, post this on copypasta.com

[naive knoll]

I mean.. yes . However im not one of these kinds of people where every weapon must have a direct and obvious purpose where this weapon is for this, that one for that etc...

I will say I much preferred the weapon attachment style than this 2 weapons per class deal.

2 Skull crushers for example.. I mean ? Really? Idk. Just seemed it would've been cooler if it was a nice animation with an attachment swap. All the weapons are like that to me, just seems like they didn't have time too or didn't want to make swapping animations for the weapons when they really seem like they were designed with a attachment swapping animation in mind that just never made the dev cycle.

Idk..

[shadow flame]

I don't think all weapons need to have a direct purpouse either, that's not the point. Having a lot of options just for the sake of it can be fun. It's just, in this game, I feel like it's done poorly since I'm forced to use one at a time (runes and melee), so I'm asked to choose between them, but because they are all so similiar there is very little choice to be made in the first place

I just wanna know what does this game have going for it, why do people like it so much

[naive knoll]

I like it. I dont think its as good as 2016 or Eternal but its a good and fun game. I think we all would've done some things differently. I would of saved all the cinematic GKs and , obviously, would've made the 2 weapon classes, seperate weapon attachments instead. Also the mech and dragon sections would've been one and done quick set pieces if it was up to me.

But even so, its still a solid and fun video game.

Tech wise: Im impressed what IDTech can do at the frame rates it can without hitches or shader compilations. Wish more people used it vs say Unreal.

[shadow flame]

I would make the dragon sections have more focused gameplay, more free flying and shooting things at the same time instead of holding rmb and lmb with occasional space inputs

Though that would risk being too complicated for a section that appears only thrice in the game

[wheat sigil]

tda is awesome fun, but quite a few things that feel meh

which for me puts it below eternal, since both games are awesome fun, but to me, eternal got less things feeling meh

[wheat sigil]

2 games of glory killing was definitely enough

[wheat sigil]

while some superfluity does exist, i don't agree here

most of the weapons do serve distinct purposes and work very well in tandem

only unlucky thing are the hinders placed on switching between things

[burnt finch]

I like dark ages but this game's pandemonium, ultra nightmare makes me hate more
its already long game everytime restarting is boring and annoying
I prefer eternal's ultra nightmare

[wheat sigil]

eternal's ultra nightmare also sucks balls

make it a really hard nightmare, and then just add an option for perma-death, which you can apply to all difficulties

[graceful lion]

imo i like this game more than eternal or 2016

[drowsy aurora]

I think all 3 games are good in their own way

[graceful lion]

same

[burnt finch]

Yes but in my opinion worst ultra nightmare is dark ages ultra nightmare

[drowsy aurora]

I’ve never attempted UN on any of the games yet

Might try 2016 first

But tbh, I just skip all the cutscenes for my pandemonium run on Dark Ages

[uneven mortar]

I am genuinely in disbelief how is the SSG still broken

[orchid rover]

Holy shit this game is so hard now

I luv it

This is literally the TAG 1/2 all over again

[orchid rover]

UN is just not fun to me. Literally 500 hours in Eternal and I don't bother. The game is just very hard at the start. I'll fight a late game arena/map for hours and have a great time

Bruh I just beat the Resurrection closed arena fight in the tunnel by JUST holding M1 on the ravager

2 mancubi, armored arachnatron, Vagary, tyrant

[wheat sigil]

yea i 1300 hours and just haven't bothered lol

[wheat sigil]

boring as hell

[drowsy aurora]

Speed Runners complaining about a weapon in a single player game being too OP

[uneven mortar]

No like it doesn't work right

[drowsy aurora]

Oh I know lmao

That’s why it is the way it is now 😔

I want them to fix it too because it just feels worthless now

[graceful lion]

whats wrong about the ssg

[wheat sigil]

i think more than speedrunners complain about op weapons

[drowsy aurora]

They do which imo is super dumb and petty

[wheat sigil]

you can't block immediately after firing it, has been like this forever

and when they did fix it a while back, they reverted it cuz it enabled animation cancelling in the ssg

[wheat sigil]

why?

[graceful lion]

wtf

[uneven mortar]

I have never heard a speedrunner complain about OP weapons

[graceful lion]

tbf i heard speedrunners encourage op weapon usage lol

[uneven mortar]

It sucks, it broke with the ripatorium update

[raw drum]

so we are getting brawler mode for dark ages now? sick

[naive wigeon]

why are they so hellbent on making ppl not adopt their playstyles from eternal

its not like casual players are going to be using that tech

[wheat sigil]

not super hard to press any key after m1

[hearty edge]

no way I just noticed the last area in belly of the beast is the same as the last level bc thats where you were ingested

[naive wigeon]

its just a bit strange that the rest of the community has to deal with their super shotgun feeling slightly worse just because they don’t want a tiny fraction of the community being able to use their animation cancels

[vague sinew]

maybe we will hear something about the ssg in today's stream.

they did say they were going to revert it back to form.

[orchid rover]

I think SSG is weak now

[vague sinew]

maybe a huge update is coming soon or something that has along with it an ssg fix

[orchid rover]

Impaler, Ravager, and Heat Blast are far and away the best guns

Chainshot maybe somewhere in there

[vague sinew]

i miss oneshotting hell knights

[naive wigeon]

hopefully

[vague sinew]

i have faith...i stopped my pandemonium run due to the ssg. i can't fight most of the enemies without it since it's my main weapon of choice.

[wheat sigil]

the animation cancelling on the ssg is just way smoother

feels way better being able to switch from it quicker

[orchid rover]

IDk if this is intentional, but on the Dragon, if you tap-fire instead of hold, the attack speed is legitimately like 10x faster

[frank turtle]

brawler modeee

https://youtu.be/vnNfHib_OGo?si=DFG5-EbeN_dLs2aF

[wheat sigil]

is it good this time

[orchid rover]

Unlikely

Neat idea, horrifically unfun way to play Eternal

[frank turtle]

it's probably better for this game since it's build based

[orchid rover]

Lets see if he shills for the bad shotgun again

[frank turtle]

never played the eternal one

[orchid rover]

Triple shotgun

Yep, see you later Mayo

[naive wigeon]

burst shotty slander will not be tolerated

[orchid rover]

Those are your only tools gtfo

[naive wigeon]

idgaf if its dps isnt that much better than the normal single firing shotgun

its just cooler

[wheat sigil]

wtf lmao
only the combat shotgun and pulverizer

[orchid rover]

We are minminning our DPS it seems

[topaz oasis]

Yooo, had an insane fight with Prince Asswreck on nightmare with 50% damage https://www.youtube.com/live/NveL_kx5MFU?si=R-1OBSC-exCoWhuG&t=6945

I didnt even bother with the BFG in this game

can you use it on bosses?

[orchid rover]

I sometimes forget it's there

[orchid rover]

It's just a decent damage slap on them

[topaz oasis]

oh I see, just like in eternal then

[orchid rover]

It's the new age BFG

The old was just a really powerful heavy weapon

[drowsy pulsar]

I FINALLY forced myself to beat this game last night after putting it off for months. I'm glad I finally finished the story, I actually think I enjoyed the story more than 2016 or Eternal's, but I think the most I can give this game is an 8/10. I really wanted it to be a 10/10 while playing but I can't see myself going over an 8.

[topaz oasis]

I on the other hand, give dark ages a 11/10

[orchid rover]

"This isn't about forcing you to use weapons you don't use much"

Triple shotgun
Pulverizer
Fists

[frank turtle]

triple shot is good for utility

[drowsy pulsar]

My single biggest gripe is the music. And no, not even that it's not Mick Gordon. I love Mick but I'm not crying over him being gone like everyone else. It's the mixing of the songs. It's them playing during the battles. It's not hitting me in the face like 2016 or Eternal's music where I would sometimes take unnecessary damage because I was headbanging whilst playing. I miss that 🙁

[frank turtle]

pulverizer isn't the best for dps but it can melt at close range, kinda underrated

[orchid rover]

Every gun melts at close range

[drowsy pulsar]

But yeah if the music were mixed a little better it woulda bumped it up to a 9/10 for me

[orchid rover]

When we get that inevitable new game plus, I see this ruleset being changed and it might be interesting then

Maybe even letting us reduce maximum ammo counts for a more challenging run

[frank turtle]

the spread on it makes it stand out for close range fights

[topaz oasis]

eh I dont know, I think music was the best in this game

all the combat themes slapped super hard

the music in some levels of eternal left much to be desired

and specially during boss fights

[drowsy pulsar]

The tracks themselves were good. But I have the audio set so everything else is at 50% and the music is at 100% volume. Even with this mix, the music feels so quiet at times. I intensely dislike that

The way I put it is kinda like this. In the past two games, it felt like they weren't afraid to bring the soundtrack to the foreground at times. But in this game, it's like the music is always in the background and it's up to you to pick it up. Just feels different from the other 2 games where the music was in my face constantly. But hey i'm splitting hairs fam, this game is still friggin fantastic!

Like I already enjoy the Ripatorium more than I ever enjoyed Horde Mode in Eternal

[topaz oasis]

I'm just glad they got rid of those themes with mystic vibes that they had going for the maykr levels in eternal

I hated urdak and the samur level because of that

that shit put me to sleep

it was such a contrast with all the other themes in the game

in dark ages, even Kreed Maykr has a super bangy and metallic theme which is great

[harsh egret]

how is the music "so quiet" lmao

especially when u set it to 100% and everything else at 50%

[drowsy pulsar]

Maybe it's just because other sounds in the game are so damn loud. That noise the game makes whenever you parry an attack often drowns out the music, as can the demon's screams. The music just isn't as loud

[topaz oasis]

PYUUUUMMMM

[drowsy pulsar]

But anyways, enough about that. I think my favorite level overall was Resurrection, with the berserk packs. Shit was FUN

[topaz oasis]

PYUUUUMMMM

PYUUUUMMMM

I love that sound

[drowsy pulsar]

It is nice. Did you have a favorite level btw? Favorite demon to fight?

Komodo was mine

[topaz oasis]

man the Komodos were tough

[uneven mortar]

Is there any communication from id regarding the SSG

[topaz oasis]

but really fun to fight indeed, I think they are the hardest super heavy enemy id software has made in a doom game

[harsh egret]

how many times bruh

[topaz oasis]

the fact they move faster than you even when sprinting is insane

[harsh egret]

theres a hugo stream tonight, just wait

[uneven mortar]

It will never end

[drowsy pulsar]

Oh I would disagree. I'd rather fight three Komodo at a time over a single Vagary. I fucking HATE the acid those things spit and would rather rip my own head off lol

[uneven mortar]

Komodo are the most fun to fight, you can tackle them anyway you like

[drowsy pulsar]

Yeah and I like how they usually don't go spastic like ths cosmic barons or cyberdemons and I can actually hit them with the dreadmace

[uneven mortar]

Cyberdemons aren't much fun until the endgame where you can kill them at range or delete them with dreadmace

[topaz oasis]

lol how did you feel about that fight with 2 Vagaries at the same time before reaching Thira in the cosmic temple?

[drowsy pulsar]

Ugh. I had to turn the damage they do down to 200% from 250% and it made me feel like a fucking cheater lol

[drowsy pulsar]

Actually the Cyberdemon in the first Siege level is what made me REALLY learn how to parry in this game, so I gotta give them credit for that

[topaz oasis]

yeah that one was rough lol

[topaz oasis]

I fought them with damage to demons 50% so it was like fighting 4 Vagaries back to back lmao

but eh, I like Vagary tbh

he makes you put that wrecking ball to some good use

[drowsy pulsar]

I love the Vagary except for the acid. The acid should either do immense damage or slow you down, not both. I die to the acid more than his actual attacks. Makes fighting him something I dread more than get excited for

[topaz oasis]

oh yeah, the acid spit is definitely not fun to deal with

[drowsy pulsar]

Like I see a cyberdemon and go "Oooooh, come here big bitch!" i see the Vagary and i'm like "oh fucking fuck"

Oh also fuck the fucking Revenant in this game. id Software absolutely heard the shit we were talking in the last 2 games

[topaz oasis]

one enemy that I really didn't like and that I feel they ruined was the cosmic cacodemon or whatever the name is

why do they become invincible when shooting those purple laser things?

[drowsy aurora]

Because in a game where 500% damage and max projectile speed exists, I think having every OP tool at max strength is a good thing

[graceful lion]

caco hybrid

[drowsy pulsar]

Yeah I like how you need to dodge their attacks but it should have just been a mix of red and green attacks like every other enemy in the game. The purple stuff is just odd. But hey Caco gonna Caco

[topaz oasis]

it's just so dumb to me, you should never give an enemy that many i-frames

and what's worse, that stupid move sometimes hits you even through walls or cover, so it forces you to sprint around like a dummy until the caco is finally done spamming

only to do it again 5 seconds later

horrible enemy

[wheat sigil]

absolutely not

a weapon being op would mean that it diminishes the utility of other weapons while unreasonably increasing its own

and making the game much harder to compensate for a weapon or vice versa, leads to a vastly different gameplay experience than things being balanced

you can 1 shot everything but everything can 1 shot you vs things take time to kill but your mistakes aren't all fatal

[drowsy pulsar]

I've been knocked out of the arena in the Ripatorium countless times. It always happens on the City of Ryuul arena too, never Khalim or Harbor Of Souls

[drowsy aurora]

Honestly, fair argument. I feel like the only problem with it is after Super Shoty Nerf, I’m now using less weapons as a result

[wheat sigil]

underpowered weapons can also be an issue yeah

[drowsy aurora]

So it feels like the nerf accomplished the exact opposite of what they were going for imo

I feel like the Dreadmace nerf is fine because it’s still super good

And they gave it a compensation

[topaz oasis]

Pffffft

hold on, dreadmace was nerfed??

you mean to tell me it was even more powerful before?

LOL

[drowsy aurora]

AOE damage was touched, but they ramped up single target damage

[topaz oasis]

I need to give the ripatorium a try myself

[drowsy aurora]

It’s still insanely broken, and I am A ok with that

[drowsy pulsar]

Oh, absolutely do it. The customization available for your encounters is pretty damn cool and this is only V1 of it. I'm sure id is gonna add more content later which is sick

[drowsy aurora]

You get it very late in the game, so it being as powerful as it is makes sense

[topaz oasis]

which one you guys think is better overall? fist or dreadmace?

[drowsy aurora]

Mace

[topaz oasis]

flail kinda sucks some buttcheeks imo

[drowsy pulsar]

Mace but not landing a hit on the super spastic enemies gets me killed a lot of the time

[drowsy aurora]

Mace with the extra bonus hit after parry one cycles every super heavy

[drowsy pulsar]

Also, shield charge > dreadmace > super shotgun blast is the best combo lol

[drowsy aurora]

Some person was actually complaining about it being too broken

[real lynx]

SSG was fine after the first nerf

[drowsy aurora]

Can’t remember who though

[topaz oasis]

whenever I fight an aggadon hunter or a tyrant I feel I'm killing them faster with fist than with dreadmace, fist also does a lot of damage with the final upgrade

[wheat sigil]

4 fists is about the same damage as 1 dreadmace hit

[drowsy pulsar]

Fighting the urge to make dirty jokes aplenty<

[drowsy aurora]

The ammo drop pre nerf was also stupid good

Imagine an auto fill for every weapon

[drowsy pulsar]

Honestly the only thing in the game that ticks me off is some new settings not actually applying. Like, the game still slows me down when I parry even though I have that set to 0%

[topaz oasis]

wanna beat UN first before going into the ripatorium tho, now that I have beaten nightmare, this is when the real grind begins

[topaz oasis]

really? I have it set to 0% too but I see no slowdowns after parrying, are you on PC or console?

[wheat sigil]

it happens sometimes

[topaz oasis]

I was hesitant about turning that setting off when I was gonna start playing the game because I thought it was there for a reason and it'd make the game stupidly hard or something but it just feels right

the other day I saw someone playing with that thing turned on and it felt horrible

that slowdown disrupts the flow of combat so much lol

[drowsy pulsar]

The pause is 100% for players not used to these games who need a moment to decide their next move after a successful parry. New players aren't as good at going "bam, bam, bam" with the combos in this game

it's why so many regularlly skilled players struggled with eternal's frantic pacing

[wheat sigil]

and it imagine it was mandatory until recently😭

[topaz oasis]

oh god, good thing I was busy playing Ronin before buying dark ages, I wouldnt have enjoy the game nearly as much as I did had I been forced to play with that slowdown thing

[drowsy pulsar]

It wasn't ideal. Also, the Atlan sections were a fucking bore. They've added more enemies to each Atlan encounter to make them tougher but before, it was usually mono e mono and you wouldn't ever even be in danger in that thing. At least on my latest playthrough I died twice in the Atlan lol

[topaz oasis]

oof... the Atlan sections... I honestly don't find them good, even after those tweaks, I'd prefer them to be shorter so we can get through them as soon as possible

[drowsy pulsar]

My mind is, if they're going to include something in the game, make it difficult and engaging like the regular combat. So the update made me happy, but I get your side

[solemn mauve]

Yeah try doing the atlan sections with min dodge window now

[drowsy pulsar]

OH GOD, that shit is PAIN!

[solemn mauve]

Imagine doing a UN run now with min dodge window

[covert goblet]

Does anyone else find it a bit weird to try to go back to other doom games after playing dark ages?

(I just tried replaying eternal. it felt SO WEIRD without the shield and with eternal's awful melee.)

[wheat sigil]

charge yo blood punch...

[topaz oasis]

did it already, still a piece of cake

[covert goblet]

I do.
It's just feels radically different than before.

[topaz oasis]

yeeeh, otherwise it ends up feeling like a waste of resources just for cinematic purposes

[solemn mauve]

I keep spamming grenade in eternal (lb button) cuz I'm used to throwing shields now, it takes some time for me to adjust ngl

[topaz oasis]

all this doom talk made me wanna play some more lol

I had some things to do but fuck it, time for my first UN attempt

[desert mortar]

Ребят, помогите пожайлуста, как запустить дум дарк эйдж, если выдает ошибку? У меня 24гб оперативки, амд радион рх6400

[solemn mauve]

Good luck

[covert goblet]

fr, bro.

Going back to Eternal and trying to play without the shield feels so weird. (especially since eternal is basically move or die.)

[solemn mauve]

Ye

[wheat sigil]

not too bad, at least you should be spamming grenades xd

[solemn mauve]

I know lol, it's just I need to throw grenades at the right place and time, I keep wasting it on 1 or 2 fodder demons

[wheat sigil]

stonks

[covert goblet]

grenades were always the saving grace for me in horde mode.

[wheat sigil]

frags are so good for controlling the arena

also why remote det is my goat

[vague sinew]

fuck no i hate komodos

i like aggadon hunters the most

and revenants

[wheat sigil]

aggadons are so annoying in my opinion

[vague sinew]

aggadons don't run from you every 5 seconds at least

i like the cyber demons too

[green estuary]

exactly the same, in fact

to a single target

[green estuary]

they don't?
what kinda agaddons are you fighting, I want some of those

[eternal brook]

@mystic sentinel Hey

[scenic lichen]

i think hes comparing them to komodos

[green estuary]

well komodos don't run from me every five seconds--if they did then that would be great
what they actually do is run over me every five seconds

[vital hearth]

Interesting take

[wheat sigil]

cyber demons are probably my second least fave superheavy, with agaddons in the least fave spot

[green estuary]

I love cybers, probably only second to barons
they can mess you up so badly from range and it adds a lot of urgency to a fight
although including more than one in an arena is a recipe for pain

[topaz oasis]

I didnt like the legged doom hunters and cyberdemons at first but I like them now that I had figured them out

[green estuary]

if barons had just a little extra HP they'd be perfect

[topaz oasis]

they punish you for being coy

gotta get close and personal with 'em

still, the chaingun on the cyberdemon from afar is still kinda cancer

[green estuary]

and somehow it's not even the most annoying hitscan attack in the game

[topaz oasis]

you can give them double HP by lowering you damage to demons to 50%

[wheat sigil]

i mean sure, potentially, but moreso they punish you for not engaging with them immediately

or at least the cyber demon, not rhe aggadon

annoying part of the aggadon is how you just have to stand and wait, and his projectiles

[green estuary]

agaddons are so stupid
90% of the time when you fight them they're accompanied by maintains
and I swear it's like they know about this so they just retreat like a bitch and wait for the arachnotron or whatever to respawn

[topaz oasis]

didn't you learn anything from the marauder in eternal? you gotta wait for those traffic lights

[wheat sigil]

the cyber demon will punish you for not engaging with it and it specifically in a specific range immediately, and if you do (something very easy to do) it's just free healing

[wheat sigil]

you didn't have to wait for the marauder though, and you could do a bunch of fun things with him

[green estuary]

they learned from the marauder and made you actually have to wait for him to attack you lmao

[wheat sigil]

the marauder rewarded you for engaging with his ai and doing creative combos

and made it was possible to completely skip the green eye flash with tech lol

[green estuary]

I dislike the agaddon less purely because he's predictable

[topaz oasis]

I don't feel like you have to wait with aggadon tho, just stay close and he lowers the shield

[green estuary]

not anymore

if you get too close to him he does his red slash projectile

and voila, your shield is broken

[wheat sigil]

fun

[green estuary]

if you stay at medium distance, you don't get hit with the initial swing so your shield can absorb the projectile and still stay intact

I initially thought it was bullshit, but once you understand when he pulls the red slash attack it's not so bad

[wheat sigil]

barons are decent, komodos are good, cyber demons are bad, and aggadons annoying

[topaz oasis]

and what about hybrid caco?

[grim cloud]

sweet

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[warm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/sbfswag-its-bleak-itsbleak-gif-1198830420792373735

[wheat sigil]

isn't that just a normal heavy? unless there's another version🤷‍♂️

[topaz oasis]

but still more annoying than the 4 super heavies combined

[wheat sigil]

honestly not particularly bad

[warm ibex]

boy howdy, I sure do love stopping dead in my tracks during the heat of battle to play a little minigame with the cacodemon. At least you can walk away from it though

[green estuary]

depends heavily on the arena

wide open battlefield, walk in the park
anything with verticality and ledges, an absolute nightmare

[topaz oasis]

if you lower damage to demons to 50% hybrid cacos become the biggest annoyance in the game

[wheat sigil]

projectile is pretty easy to parry, it's nice to kill them, and the net isn't too bad usually
keeping in mind all the nets that block projectiles are horrible design

[naive knoll]

Ill be honest; im not a big fan of that crap either.

[topaz oasis]

they get particularly more tanky than other demons

[green estuary]

I mean of course lmao
they're already the tankiest heavy demon, 50% damage just turns them into a superheavy in terms of tankiness

[topaz oasis]

and they are so boring

[green estuary]

50% damage just sounds incredibly boring ngl

[wheat sigil]

annoying? yeah
most annoying? by far not imo

still not really hard to get rid of them even with 50% damage

[green estuary]

why tf would you want enemies to be twice as spongy

[wheat sigil]

just use your shield bashes, charged rockets, and shield throws nicely

[upbeat junco]

if only there was a gun that made the cacaodemon despawn as soon as i look at it

actually yeah there's the bfc my bad

can we have a patch that makes the bfc deal 0 dmg to every enemy except caco

[green estuary]

haha

[solid nacelle]

I would download that

[wheat sigil]

oh yeah, that reminds me of the weird ass glitch that makes me swap to a random ass weapon when climbing ledges/walls

[naive knoll]

Its just the mini game sucks.. you know.. when I get time, I think im going to look into getting rid of it .

[green estuary]

I only use the bfc on two occasions
one is the bfc arena, and the second is that stupid narrow hallway with the buffed whiplashes in harbor of souls

[topaz oasis]

I just want my fights to last longer 🥀

[wheat sigil]

and quite often it's the bfc, which makes me super vulnerable and i may accidentally even shoot it💔

[green estuary]

that's kinda goofy

[naive knoll]

Still though without something else in its place? Or does it even need something else..

[upbeat junco]

Start hitting them with the flail

[green estuary]

true

[topaz oasis]

GODDAMMIT

[green estuary]

all of a sudden superheavies feel a lot more heavy

[topaz oasis]

why is the flail so weak?

[solid nacelle]

I really wish they would rework the cacodemon

[upbeat junco]

Save a parry heavy enemy for the melee restack and go ham with the flail across the arena hahaha

[upbeat junco]

it's more for restacking than for pure combat

Although i would not mind it dealing more dmg but i see its armor potential (i guess?)

Im gonna be honest I'll just use ground fissure for armor restacking

Shame that it's one of the cover art weapons but so dookie

[topaz oasis]

I dunno, I feel like armor in this game isnt really that useful

your tools to build up armor in this game arent as efficient as they were in eternal
so you have to work waaay harder to build it up, only to lose it in 2 hits anyways

[upbeat junco]

Huh???

[wheat sigil]

extremely true

[topaz oasis]

so its like

[wheat sigil]

playing on 3/5 restacking just to somewhat increase my armor/health restacking

[upbeat junco]

armor not useful
tools suck at building it up

wouldn't that make armor extremely precious and useful

[wheat sigil]

no

kinda same reason why focusing on gaining health via gks in eternal isn't really useful

better to focus on the restacking method that actually gets you something

[topaz oasis]

Yeh

in eternal when playing master levels I'm always at 100-150 armor and I'm always getting more

in dark ages I never have armor unless that I specifically go out of my way to farm it, which can backfire on me, because that's time that I could have used to kill heavy demons harassing me and that can fuck me up while I try to get the armor

[wheat sigil]

the flame belch coupled with the flaming hook is so ridiculously overpowered lol

[topaz oasis]

lol I know

[daring osprey]

Not gonna lie , I like the dragon missions .

Feels so cool and how big the doom world feels . Wish he can shoot fire or energy blasts . Would make it 10x cooler

[vivid light]

Yeah that's the point. The dark ages is less of a resource management game and more of a "use whatever you can"

I feel the dark ages is low-key harder than eternal, even when you compare TAG to TDA

Because you could cheese health and armour so much in Eternal

[topaz oasis]

yep, I do think DA is harder than eternal too

[vivid light]

Removing fodder demon's ability to grant you health above like 70 hp was a good decision

[topaz oasis]

but nothing will ever beat the 2016 imps on ultra-nightmare in terms of difficulty

[vivid light]

I even did UN without the bfg and hammer 💀

[wheat sigil]

what does this mean though

[vivid light]

The game is more open, hard counters in enemies don't exist, only soft counters, you can't get armour and health as easily so it incentivizes pick-ups and there's no ballista or precision bolt equivalent so you can't play long range and safe like in Eternal

[vivid light]

But also just killing certain fodder gives you massive amounts of armour anyway

[vivid light]

What's those shield guys even called

[green estuary]

What

[vivid light]

I meant "do whatever you want"

The game is less specific in its gameplay loop so it's a bit in everything

[topaz oasis]

no hammer is the only fun way to play tag 2

[green estuary]

there is no fun way to play tag2

[topaz oasis]

tag 2 is a 1 story mission dlc

the mission is called world spear master level

but that one is legit fun

[green estuary]

even the world spear ML isn’t even fun
It just drags on and on for no reason

[wheat sigil]

do you mean enemies forcing you to do certain things as hard counters?
and on the whole long range thing, i disagree, i think you're more incentivized to be more engaged in the battle than in tda

[green estuary]

I’m just want to be done already when I’m playing it and somehow I’m only halfway through

[wheat sigil]

althoughh, aircamping is busted in eternal, which is less engaging than playing grounded

[topaz oasis]

bruh, what do you even consider fun

[green estuary]

Literally everything eternal except for tag2 lmao

[topaz oasis]

LOL

[wheat sigil]

yeah the world spear ML is my least favorite "real" ML

it takes place in a bad level, and the encounters are soo dragged out

[topaz oasis]

arc complex ML the GOAT

[green estuary]

I learned to love Taras nabad ML despite not liking it much at first (mostly because I just got better at the game)
But the world spear ML is just

[wheat sigil]

that and cultist base is what i don't classify as "real" MLs

[topaz oasis]

I know lol

arc complex ML is such a letdown

[wheat sigil]

pre-release made lol

[topaz oasis]

specially because I love the soundtrack in that level

but it's just so not interesting to play

[green estuary]

Cultist base and arc complex MLs are honestly easier than the regular levels at that point in the campaign
Though they are fun

[wheat sigil]

you should play it with an unbalanced randomizer, if you're on pc

[topaz oasis]

never played the cultist base ML because it's gated by a 5$ paywall, is it the same grade of uninteresting as arc complex?

[wheat sigil]

somewhere there yeah

[green estuary]

It’s a bit better imo

[topaz oasis]

LOL

[topaz oasis]

I'm on PS5

[green estuary]

Maybe it’s just because cultist base is a personal favorite level

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[topaz oasis]

gimme 10 mins

so for my UN run I wanna do all the segments that involve combat, so I need to get all the rubies, wraithstones and destroy all the gore nests, and I wanna do it without using BFG

crap, this is gonna take a lot of memorizing

this game is LONG

[wheat sigil]

dam, missing out

[topaz oasis]

I wished they released more official Master Levels for console in eternal

you guys think we're gonna be getting master levels in dark ages?

[wheat sigil]

hopefully