the-dark-ages

[mental grotto]

If they wanted to nerf the SSG it should’ve just been a flat damage nerf. It’s very weird that a bunch of enemies now just have damage negation against it

[sudden stump]

I don't think they want to nerf it against every demon though, just specific ones

[uneven mortar]

I can't believe they broke the shotgun again just bc people were quickswapping :(

[mental grotto]

Well when “specific demons” is half the enemy roster, yk?

[uneven mortar]

Mancubi having a resistance really annoys me, they're literally a big squishy target

[frail bloom]

Easier to delimb without them dying tho

[sudden stump]

Hey as long as it still one shots revenants I don't really care

[uneven mortar]

I miss how theyd explode in doom 2016

[mental grotto]

I guess so, but at the same time, if it’s dead I don’t have to worry about it being delimbed now do I? 🤣

[frail bloom]

Idk you can do more comboes on em'

[uneven mortar]

You can do ricochet on them which is useful

[frail bloom]

Cuz he won't die as fast

[mental grotto]

I honestly don’t mind the nerf. I think it’s a bit overtuned, maybe tone back on the mancubus damage resistance, but other than that i don’t think it’s too bad. The SSG is still a very reliable tool, but it can no longer steamroll through everything. Which I think people are upset about

[uneven mortar]

Ricochet on pinky rider is one of the most fun things in the game

[sudden stump]

Didn't Eternal also have different resistances for demons depending in the gun? Difference is they had the balance very well tuned by the time that game came out

We didn't see them tune like we have in TDA

[mental grotto]

I wouldn’t know honestly

[uneven mortar]

Mancubi having a resistance to SSG also means you're disincentivized from risking close quarters

[frail bloom]

Well ye that's why the flamethrower does more damage

It's a manc

Stay away

[uneven mortar]

I think getting up close would be fun as high risk high reward

[sudden stump]

I just bash him, shield saw before he drops the AOE and then SSG.

[frail bloom]

Why don't you shield throw and just shoot his arms off

[uneven mortar]

I don't have problems killing them

I just don't like the role they serve on the board so much

[mental grotto]

On launch people were nonstop complaining about ssg and calling for a nerf, they nerfed it like people asked and now all I hear is people wanting to revert the changes

[uneven mortar]

Their first nerf was corrext

[frail bloom]

Idk what ppl want really

[mental grotto]

People don’t know what they want lol

[frail bloom]

Maybe not group them first

[mental grotto]

Agreed

[frail bloom]

Maybe there's a fine line

[uneven mortar]

I want it to not oneshot hellknights but to still feel too strong for a shotgun

Like doom 2

[frail bloom]

I guess they can buff it a little

Tone down some resistances

[mental grotto]

I mean yeah everybody has varying opinions and I understand that I’m dumbing it down, but this is how the community has functioned for as long as I can remember. “Do this do this! Wait no wtf why did you do that, put it back!”

[frail bloom]

Ye if I were a dev I wouldn't really know what to do therr

I guess you gotta keep changing until you find the spot

[marble seal]

Out of topic:

I know grenade launcher is bad but it's lowkey fun to spam 🤤

[frail bloom]

Not bad at all

Good as a runaway gun

[sudden stump]

Only thing bad about the grenade launcher is that I suck too much to land directs consistently

[frail bloom]

It's like the impaler

[mental grotto]

I really think that the game should have been playtested a lot more. Even if it required a few months delay to do so, because trying to rebalance everything and trying to listen to the community post-launch is just such a shitshow

[uneven mortar]

Grenade launcher has the lamest upgrades in the game by far

[sudden stump]

Eternal had a huge advantage because they were able to test the game in front of hundreds of people during that delay it had

[frail bloom]

Ye they're spending lots of time on bug fixes and tuning

[mental grotto]

This is very true

[frail bloom]

Maybe next time they can release an early demo

Idk

[mental grotto]

Time that could be spent on master levels, DLC, and more gameplay-related stuff. It doesn’t seem like it’s slowing down development too much, we did get the ripatorium which I was not expecting at all

[frail bloom]

But Hugo did say that tuning was almost done now

Just some extra changes and we're done with balancing

Hopefully he shows us something cool next week

I wanna see a dlc snippet or a new mode snippet

[mental grotto]

Good. Even if you have people complaining there comes a certain point where you just have to hunker down and say “deal with it” because it’s such a headache playing through a campaign over the course of a couple weeks and having new balance changes left and right

[mental grotto]

Nah silent drop the dlc after 6 months of zero news or information

[frail bloom]

Ye soon they'll stop, prob september is when they'll be done

[frail bloom]

Nooo hugo said they'll share cool tidbits almost every stream

[mental grotto]

I think that update 2 was generally good in terms of balance. I think people are overblowing the ssg nerf because they got too used to the OP version, which again is why this game could’ve used more playtesting

[frail bloom]

Ye overall this was a very neat update

Very good especially from ripatorium

I made like 9 presets I love it

[mental grotto]

Definitely, I hope that adding to the ripatorium actually happens and it doesn’t become another empty promise… cough invasion mode…

[frail bloom]

Well that's different

Invasion mode never came out, and was conceptually too ambitious

Ripatorium and sharing community presets does not seem overtly hard to implement at all

[mental grotto]

Yeah I know that and I’m mostly joking, it’s just a shame

[frail bloom]

Eh

I never jived with invasion mode anyway

Would've prefered a CO-OP

But nooooooo

[uneven mortar]

Co op would have been extremely cool

[frail bloom]

Especially in ripatorium

Rip and tear like you've never before

[mental grotto]

I also don’t like how they handled it either. “Invasion mode is coming at launch! Don’t worry guys, invasion mode is coming post launch! (Delivered, 40d 6hr)”

[frail bloom]

With a buddy

[uneven mortar]

Invasion mode is cringe

[frail bloom]

Ye remember that dlc thing too, where we were gonna fight as an arc soldier or somethinf

And the comic

(Ost but we don't talk abt that)

Lots of empty promises back then

[uneven mortar]

Doom Eternals OST :(

[frail bloom]

Well not promises

But y'all get it

At least this time they've seem to changed

Trying their best to do all they can

Wait I just saw that they fixed it but reverted the ssg bug?

Why??

[sudden stump]

Invasion had too much working against it as a post-launch promise. COVID workflow meant they had to slave away on the DLC before the deadline, and by the time TAG was done people were begging for harder singleplayer content. Then the anti cheat drama happened which rules out any sort of integrity on PC anyway lol

[mental grotto]

I believe that whole thing was fake, some rumor started on reddit. Correct me if I’m wrong though, people thought that this was gonna be the next doom game

[mental grotto]

I remember that bullshit about the anti cheat man, people whining about eternal having kernel level anti cheat. Like literally every single other triple A multiplayer title. Community was not a fun thing to be a part of back then…

Back when you’d get death threats for saying “maybe mick Gordon was partially in the wrong” 💀

[mental grotto]

But yeah this is my point. I love id to death but they definitely have a habit of overpromising, which is why im tempering my expectations

[hearty edge]

I think bc of the unintentional quick swapping

[frail bloom]

The what

[hearty edge]

I think that fixing the SSG bug led to some quick swapping being possible like eternal

Or some other bugs too

So they reverted it back

[sudden stump]

There's a video of it posted here somewhere, don't remember by who

[frail bloom]

Did anyone catch footage

I must see

[sudden stump]

This was the bug I think, you can jump to that post and read about it

[hearty edge]

Oh yeah it was kinda bad

[frail bloom]

Uh oh ppl can't be doing that

[hearty edge]

Still I prefer that over not being able to use the SSG in the ripartorium

[frail bloom]

I can understand that

But they are still fixing the ssg yes?

[hearty edge]

Yea

In the future

[sudden stump]

We probably have to wait for a real patch instead of it being a tunbable, not sure

[frail bloom]

That sounds kinda bad

A lot of ppl use the ssg

[hearty edge]

But hey it will come with some slight buffs I think

[sudden stump]

well not anymore

[frail bloom]

Waiting a month for a fix is awful

[hearty edge]

Yea since update 2 I haven't used the SSG save for wednesday

Where it was fixed

[frail bloom]

Good thing I think the ssg is boring

Parry rocket and csg all the way baby

[hearty edge]

Yea I had been sleeping on them

I like them more than the SSG now

[solid nacelle]

I still haven't closed my game since the hotfix so I still have the good ssg

[frail bloom]

Lmao

[hearty edge]

Holy damn

[frail bloom]

Are you quickswapping with your crazy reload cancel tech

[solid nacelle]

Not really just enjoying the fast blocking

That chaingunner fix can wait

[hexed dagger]

im guessing they didnt push the chaingunner tunable then?

[nova gust]

that fight with the old one was miserable im never fighting that again

[hearty edge]

It's easy

Done in like 4 minutes

Less probably

[upbeat junco]

atlan min parry window

[frank turtle]

this ssg never getting fixed bro

[frank turtle]

I had it too then my game force restarted

[frail bloom]

We just have to wait

Hopefully next week, or in september

[frank turtle]

September 😭

[frail bloom]

Bruh it's August 15th

We'll be there before you know it

And with melee and rune swapping

I hope we can maintain the charges

And they can increase the difficulty in Ng+ and dlc to compensate

[sudden stump]

that would be broken as shit if the charges don't reset lol

[frail bloom]

Ppl keep saying that

But like why change them at all then

[delicate grotto]

Man really? I thought it was cool

[frail bloom]

Why swap them when you can keep one

[solid nacelle]

That would be so funny if they worked like frags and ice bombs in eternal

[frail bloom]

But they don't have to be like that

Maybe they can be the grenades in 2016

Why do y'all worry abt it breaking the game

They can make the game harder in different ways

Ripatorium, ng+, dlc

[sudden stump]

Cuz I want to play the game longer than a couple runs lol

[frail bloom]

But how would it break the game

Say they don't let you maintain the charges

Now what's the point of swapping

Just stick to one

[solid nacelle]

Let them work like 2016 grenades and let the melee series carry over between strikes so like you'd do 2 flail hits then switch to gauntlet and get your kick after

[sudden stump]

Gauntlet and fail can be charged almost instantly after switching melee. It's the mace that might be the issue

[frail bloom]

Ah I see

Well

Idk, I guess it's a qol feature more than anything

But you can't mix melee then

And what abt rune swapping?

They're adding that too

[solid nacelle]

If you had half a mace charge what if you swapped to gauntlet or flail and have a charge and a half of that

[hearty edge]

Ig

[frail bloom]

I'm sure they can balance it

[green estuary]

Convenience

[frail bloom]

Ye that's abt it

What abt rune swapping

[sudden stump]

keeping the melee charges might be okay as long as they keep them separate from each melee

[frail bloom]

You can technically swap those instantly

[green estuary]

Again, convenience

[sudden stump]

I.e if you charge up your gauntlet the mace should still be empty if you switch to it

[frail bloom]

Just parry, heaven splitter, parry, ground fissure

Does that sound broken?

[frail bloom]

Alr how abt this:

[green estuary]

Although
If melee is fully charged, then maybe they could make it so swapping does not lose charge

That would be fair

[frail bloom]

You can build up charges for each individual melee, but you are able to build each one up, and use them in tandemn

Swapping doesn't lose charge

But it doesn't translate between each melee

So you have to earn each charge

[echo rover]

Is anyone else’s arms for the slayer bugged?

[hearty edge]

That sounds the most balanced

[frail bloom]

See there we go

Problem fixed

[hearty edge]

I don't think so

[frail bloom]

Hopefully they don't absolutely bomb it

See this is why Hugo should look more on discord

Bc we have good discussions abt balance instead of "hurr durr can you get rid of raytracing"

[hearty edge]

Fr tho

[frail bloom]

It's kinds frustrating really

Much better feedback and ideas here

It's absolute trash on other platforms

No one makes a lick of sense

[wooden dock]

Ive noticed they glitch out occasionally lately

[hearty edge]

Maybe I haven't played enough to notice

[wooden dock]

Fan balance discourse is always bad. That's like a universal constant across all games lol

[frail bloom]

No discourse here tho

We just came up with a good idea without yelling

But hugo looks in Reddit

ugh

[hearty edge]

Damn

[sudden stump]

Problem with player feedback is you have to stay in the center. You can't cater to just the top 1% pros and you can't cater to just the noobs either, catering to both is a shit ton of work

[green estuary]

So you’d start a fight with 3 fully charged melee weapons?

[frail bloom]

Just how does he find the right info

[wooden dock]

The best discourse tends to be the most relaxed. There's no use to being hostile over single player videogame balance

[frail bloom]

You have to earn those charges first and choose to use them all if you want

You cna build them up in one fight, not use them, and use them in the next

But building a charge in gauntlet won't translate to mace

Gotta build each one

But they can keep their charges

[wooden dock]

I like the idea but my only issue is I feel like it could cause too much melee spam at once if you build it up. I like having regulation for the melee charges, it's not something you can spam for too long

[wispy night]

Honestly starting the rippatorium with a mace charge makes 1 wave presets a little too easy some times. You can delete all barons at the start with little issue

[frail bloom]

Well here's what they can do

Let you customize the different waves

And now that problem is fixed

Since you have to endure different arenas

I don't understand this whole balance thing

The more you can do, the more enemies they can throw

At you

[hearty edge]

Thow

[wispy night]

Would be nice if they include simple and maintain spawners within each wave configuration, with the maintain enemies not counting towards the wave completion

[frail bloom]

Shhhh

[wooden dock]

Ripatorium is awesome but I wish it had an endless mode with difficulty progression or smth. Just fighting the same wave forever is boring

[frail bloom]

They do have endless

Just not fully customizable

But we're gonna get there

But imagine what type of stuff they will throw at us if we had melee and rune swapping

Would raise the skill ceiling a lot

[frank turtle]

ya

[wooden dock]

Definitely

[frail bloom]

Like how eternal's camapign was too easy for some ppl

[green estuary]

Yeah not a huge fan of that
You could easily abuse it by swapping in between fights

[frail bloom]

Define abuse

And does it translate to everything they're gonna make?

Ng+, dlc, ripatorium

I want to be able to farm fodder with my flail, shock a tyrant with gauntlet and then mace him

[sudden stump]

I think the point is they don't want people doing everything at once

[wooden dock]

Honestly having heard about eternal's "insane difficulty" for almost 2 years straight before I played it I was a tiny bit disappointed it wasn't super insane 😭
Incredible experience nonetheless

[frail bloom]

Ye it's not that tough

[wispy night]

imo rune and melee swapping mid-fights is too complex for the core of the base game; sounds like something for mods to do. At that point just get rid of the swapping and add 3 separate melee options at once with 3 different keybinds. It's like the ice and frag grenades in Eternal, why have a swap when you can have a dedicated key for each and make it more convenient

[green estuary]

In between arenas, once you’ve build up full charges on one weapon, switch and repeat the process
Then you start every fight with 3 fully charged melee weapons

[frail bloom]

Fine

[wooden dock]

Doom eternal was really just the first super mainstream game to feature more movement shooter oriented design and that threw off a ton of people nor oriented to the genre

[frail bloom]

I guess lose your charge

[sudden stump]

Like I think Hugo originally said we can't quick switch melee specifically because they want us to pick a playstyle, the charges resetting enforces that

[frail bloom]

Better have a couple imp stalkers around

Gimme that rune bait

[green estuary]

The same people who complain about TDA being too easy are the people who literally only play modded eternal content lmao
And then they associate that difficulty with eternal’s base difficulty when in reality they aren’t even close

[wooden dock]

I played both dlc's at the same time and they both felt good to me
I think a lot of the controversy surrounding those releases was more centered on the high level players experience rather than the actual intended experience of the content for most players. I think doom eternal is a very well rounded game all around even from a more casual perspecrive

[frank turtle]

the campaign is easy as hell after playing through the dlc and master levels

besides the first 4 levels

those are pretty hard

[sudden stump]

most people I argue with about eternal being hard are the ones that didn't even get past level 3 lol

Like as soon as you get past level 4 you become God, but if people give up before that point then it's like then didnt even play the same game as everyone else

[wooden dock]

Anywho I really hope the dlc lives up to the reputation of ag1

[green estuary]

Yeah I understand
Eternal is a difficult game and so is TDA
But people make eternal out to be the pinnacle of fps difficulty when in reality it just isn’t

[frail bloom]

@compact hemlock would you rather have melee and rune swapping but the charges are lost each switch, or you can maintain charges seperately, and pls explain why if you want to

[green estuary]

atp just dm the man lol

[frail bloom]

Hey

[wooden dock]

Lmao

[frail bloom]

Just asking

[frail bloom]

Most likely

They said they're gonna raise the skill ceiling a lot with this dlc

[wooden dock]

There's a ton of awesome concept stuff that could make it in. I'm most looking forward to see what art direction the dlc takes

[frail bloom]

From 2016 to eternal but not that much but in concept

If you get what I mean

Just refining it

Gimme that classic archie

Working on an animation for that rn

[frank turtle]

I wonder what tag 2 would've been without covid

[green estuary]

Maybe it would have been actually difficult instead of just annoying

[frank turtle]

the concept of the dark lord is so peak

[wooden dock]

Who can really say? The past is the past. Even failure shapes the future of design in a positive direction

[frail bloom]

I have high hopes for dlc

Just look at the concept art

Snow hell???

Hell yeah

[wooden dock]

How treacherous...

[frail bloom]

It gets stale to watch ppl burn y'know

Let some of them freeze for variety sake

[solid nacelle]

I hope it's not just "going after hell's high council" I feel like that would be boring

[frail bloom]

Hell is known for it's world class variety

[gleaming vortex]

they have already introduced the layers of hell with the harbor of souls codex, perchance it could...

[frail bloom]

Well that is the main thing but I bet it's gonna establish other things

What would you want to see(within reason)?

[wispy night]

Yall want a totally fun (sarcastic) Rippatorium preset?
3 Chaingunners
3 Arachnatrons
3 Cyberdemons
3 Cyberdemon Leaders
Beat it at 500% damage to player

[frail bloom]

Ah the hitscan preset

I would do the cyberdemons first

[wooden dock]

I tried to do an all super heavies ripatorium and was actually foing well but I accidently left endless on so I freaking died

[green estuary]

The cover shooter preset

[frail bloom]

Like all of them maxed out huh

[gleaming vortex]

call of doom 2008 preset

[frail bloom]

Without bfc too huh

[wispy night]

Too tanky, at 500% you get rekt by the arachnoids and chaingunners

[solid nacelle]

I hope they at least have the slayer and the night sentinels discover the hell factories that the maykrs built in secret and set up the civil war for the next game or something

[wooden dock]

3 chaingunners on their own would end the run

[green estuary]

I still maintain that doom 2016 is easier on nightmare if you play it as a cover shooter

[gleaming vortex]

yeah but its less fun that way

[frail bloom]

Ah! That would make some sense, the discovery

[green estuary]

Yeah Ik

[frail bloom]

So you will have a slayers testament, and the discovery

[green estuary]

“Lean and crouch, until it is done”

[frail bloom]

I can get behind that

[wooden dock]

Doom 16' follows the original design philosophy of og doom where cover tactics are far more practical

[frail bloom]

Just so y'all know tho, Marok ain't dying

Bummer

[solid nacelle]

I figured he dies during the civil war or something anyway

[wispy night]

I was able to spawn 10 cosmic barons at once with Cheat Engine

[green estuary]

Yeah
Except in og doom, normal imp fireballs didn’t deal 50 damage

[frail bloom]

Ye most likely

[gleaming vortex]

I think thats bs and he should die, maybe hugo trying to decieve us, idk

[wooden dock]

The dreaded random number generator list:

[frail bloom]

Well we don't know when he died

[green estuary]

Revenant rockets with their 10-80 damage lmao

[frail bloom]

I guess they wanna build the character bc he was flat as a tabletop in the campaign, so they wanna make us like him and build him up so his death next game means something

I'd rather have that

Instead of character exit scene

[gleaming vortex]

have a rare moment where doomguy actually shows emotion in the game where he shows the most emotion, maybe even play the bunny music. would be a good lesson about the effectiveness of revenge in grief

[wooden dock]

Next game will probably focus on the war that led to slayers original defeat, the the events leading up to it will all be there instead I think

[gleaming vortex]

theres ways to make us care without developing marok

[frail bloom]

Well ye but all your characters should make you feel that

Don't put all your points in the slayer

Basic fundementals of story telling

Flesh out your characters

Don't whimper and kill them off quickly

[green estuary]

Bruh they should’ve given us more commander Valen and less Thira tbh

[frail bloom]

We can have both y'know

[wooden dock]

Would be cool for marok and slayer to get along in the dlc or something so his death is actually impactful for the story next game

[frail bloom]

Some slayer storytelling, and marok znd valen storytelling

[green estuary]

Yeah
But Valen got no plot around him at all, just token screentime

[frail bloom]

EXACTLY

[frail bloom]

He's known for dabbling in black magic

[gleaming vortex]

i mean yeah but we know he's gonna die, hard to make people gaf if they know someone's dying. drawing a parallel to player character can do that, while letting other characters grieve and have an arc

[frail bloom]

You can't do that in a dlc

Especially if he hasen't had time to build himself yet

Build him up this dlc, kill him next game

Seems the most logical

[wooden dock]

I think it's fine for valen to be more of a background character right now, the reveal that he was using the hell ritual establishes his character well for the future

[gleaming vortex]

you absolutely can, but I get it

though I think building him up in this dlc leads us to the same issue

[frail bloom]

I say you can't, cuz this is ID software, not Tokien

[hearty edge]

They made the easiest demon in og doom into the hardest one

[frail bloom]

What issue, I'd rather care when he dies instead of writing his death off when the writer didn't want you to do that

Make me like him

[sudden stump]

hard to invest into the characters of a prequel when you already know everyone dies

[frail bloom]

Make him not trust the slayer(which he shows) and learn to trust him this dlc

[frail bloom]

We only know Marok and Novik die

[gleaming vortex]

yeah but if you build him up in a different game, in a series that wants to make all the games a decent starting point, then you still have people who don't give a fuck

[frail bloom]

We have no idea how, and when

His death could be like gruesome

[uneven mortar]

Novik isn't necessarily dead

[frail bloom]

Or unexpected at the wrong time

[gleaming vortex]

it SHOULD be

[frail bloom]

See but don't rush his death

[gleaming vortex]

lest we forget what franchise we're in

[hearty edge]

I wouldn't mind marok dying in the dlc

Novik should be another game tho

[frail bloom]

Otherwise you just have this fodder character that no one cares abt when Valen CLEARLY cares abt Marok and we should feel that

In a 6 level dlc too? We need more time

He most likely dies in the civil war

[gleaming vortex]

man if only there was another character who is deeply saddened by the loss of family and chooses to grieve in a poor way

[frail bloom]

You can do both

[uneven mortar]

It would have been a wiser decision to have Marok trust the Slayer MORE than Valen does

[hearty edge]

I would hope the dlc is at least a bit longer than 6 levels like eternal

[frail bloom]

Delve deeper in the slayer's trauma, and build up Marok's character

[gleaming vortex]

not over two games, while giving enough time for Valen to have an arc as well

[frail bloom]

This

[hearty edge]

Yes prob

Although either way I didn't see him not trusting the slayer a lot in the game

I only noticed due to the codex

[uneven mortar]

He kept giving him shady looks i think

[frail bloom]

Hugo already confirmed that

A. Marok won't die
B. Relationship beteeen Valen and Marok will be explored
That's all we know

[gleaming vortex]

my pitch is: Marok dies in DLC, slayer and valen share a moment and slayer reminisces on his loss (silently), Valen is not over it in the next game and does what he does. makes the slayer more human and the betrayal more gut wrenching

[gleaming vortex]

but can't we dream?

[frail bloom]

I don't get what you want

Why can't he just die in the next game

Why just kill off a character

Grieving means nothing if the person you care abt is a STONE WALL

A literal nothing

Make me care first so that when it happens. I can relate

Otherwise there is a dissonance between the scene and the viewer

[gleaming vortex]

because we'd be killing off a character we know dies for someone who doesn't (and we are familiar with). you can't do everything

to be clear, marok SHOULD have some development in the DLC

[frail bloom]

The same issue is very much worsened if you do it in dlc

Cuz you have objectively less time to develop him

[gleaming vortex]

right, but the time is allotted towards a character people are more familiar with

[frail bloom]

We've been with the slayer for all the Doom games

And will continue to be

[gleaming vortex]

i mean Valen

[frail bloom]

Valen's grief means nothing if his bald son doesn't do crap

What am I gonna understand

Oops, sorry! Anyways

[wooden dock]

Guys what if valen dies

[frail bloom]

Here, maybe we can do this

[frail bloom]

Haha

[gleaming vortex]

yeah but at least then you can bridge the gap with the slayer

[frail bloom]

With what???

[gleaming vortex]

his dead family

[frail bloom]

The slayer hasen't had any interactions with Marok

[frail bloom]

Bruh that was EONS ago

[solid nacelle]

Sure but he has to be brought back with the dragon balls before we get to eternal

[gleaming vortex]

would you forget them?

[frail bloom]

I'd rather have that in a different game

[frail bloom]

No dude I think having that in a dlc instead of a main game just sucks

I don't feel like rushing all the stuff I wanna see

[gleaming vortex]

then we're at an impasse

[frail bloom]

Without it feeling half baked

Like why would he suddenly start grieving abt his family

You can give ideas but nothing leads up to them

Something has to trigger it

[solid nacelle]

Well we already got a half baked story in the campaign

[frail bloom]

Ye basically

Now we wanna kill off all the characters we don't care abt

Not a good idea.

Here's my proposal

[solid nacelle]

Half the story is literally just "guys we have to get thira back"

[frail bloom]

If Hugo is lying, and Marok will die, he should die after he fully trusts the slayer

Maybe the slayer does something wrong, idk

See why it's so hard to kill himoff so quick

[gleaming vortex]

yeah I think we're all overestimating the level of storytelling id is capable of

[hearty edge]

Chat SSG buff idea

100000 damage but 1 minute reload time

[frail bloom]

Most the stuff we're talking abt seems way too deep for ID stuff anyway

[hearty edge]

Jk

[frail bloom]

We're talking abt grieving, trauma, regret

At most we had that dragon die, and the slayer felt sad

[gleaming vortex]

that's a damn shame, doom has never been a stranger to loss and unhealthy coping. whatever id cooks up they should return to that

[frail bloom]

But it DIDN'T SHOW THE ORIGIN STORY, AND INSTEAD TOLD IT IN A CODEX!!!!

WHYYYYYY????!!!!!!

[hearty edge]

"that dragon" 😭

[frail bloom]

WHAT HAPPENED TO SHOW NOT TELL

WHY?"$>$?$"?($($

[gleaming vortex]

HE HAS A NAME YOU KNOW

[frail bloom]

It's always been in the backround

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/why-isnt-it-posssible-its-just-not-american-psycho-gif-26353597

Me when I ask id to make a good story in an fps game

Wolfenstein the new order aside

[frail bloom]

I wanna care and the origin story makes it better but NO ONE FRICKIN SAW IT

[gleaming vortex]

still, feels much less prevalent in the past couple games.

[frail bloom]

SO 80% OF DARK AGES PLAYERS DON'T KNOW ABT THE ORIGIN STORY

[gleaming vortex]

its a shame

[frail bloom]

SERIOUSLY('IDMDKDKXMXXOXOKSS,SKX

RAAAAAHHHHH

Alr I'm done crashing out

[sudden stump]

most people put more thought into the lore than the devs did lol

[solid nacelle]

I remember the codex in 2016 and eternal being intriguing enough, I don't know why the campaign can't at least reach a similar level of depth

[green estuary]

Yk what
At least TDA’s story is better than eternal’s dlcs

[sudden stump]

devs just wrote shit to justify why we are going to crazy locations

[gleaming vortex]

yeah let us write the games we definitely know what we're doing

[frail bloom]

Dark ages doesn't have any plot holes really

[green estuary]

Well there are way less codex pages in TDA for one thing

[solid nacelle]

They said "we're taking the codex and putting it into the cutscenes" and it had me thinking we were going to get something grand to compensate

[green estuary]

Eternal had a whole ass book in the codex

[frail bloom]

ye and the one time we needed to see something they told it in a codex

[hearty edge]

"I need to fight to get this to fight this guy who is also me"

[frail bloom]

Has anyone read Serrat's origin story?

Could be genuinely good to see in action

BUT NOOOOOO

[gleaming vortex]

i need hugo to drop the full 500 page libra sulgenta. shit would go crazy

[frail bloom]

IT'S IN A CODEX

[green estuary]

That was always gonna be impossible tbf

[sudden stump]

really think they did this because most people didn't read anything and ask dumb questions that already have answers

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-out-strangle-over-it-im-done-wtf-gif-5733066100478599257

[green estuary]

*Liagra Sultagenta 🤓

[gleaming vortex]

to be fair it's not exactly anything groundbreaking. would've been nice but I understand its exclusion

[gleaming vortex]

no fucking way thats what it is

[frail bloom]

I'm not saying that

But it clearly would make 60% more ppl care abt the dragon death

[gleaming vortex]

not saying you are dw

[green estuary]

Ah sorry it’s Ligra Sultagenta

[frail bloom]

Cuz we would have an emotional anchor

[solid nacelle]

Bro what if mission 1 had the slayer save serrat and then by the time we see him again in mission 5 he's swagged out in machinery

[frail bloom]

Which would be the time the slayer saved serrat from death

But nope we just suddenly care abt Serrat and you should too!

[green estuary]

I would lowk be more invested in a mission where I rescued Serrat than where I rescued Thira lmao

[frail bloom]

Dark ages has a problem where it expects you to just care without knowing why

It shows a lot but not when it's most important

[wooden dock]

I liked the development with serrat even if he was more of a car to me, it's still sad seeing it really effecting the slayer

[frail bloom]

See I agree

[gleaming vortex]

though, again, not new to the series lol

[frail bloom]

But we don't know why he cares abt him in the cutscenes

But THEN WE KNOW IN THE CODEX

AHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

WHICH THEY DON'T SHOW

[green estuary]

Cod-ex-position

[solid nacelle]

Anyone who doesn't know the story is gonna see the death and go "oh wow my mount is dead okay"

[frail bloom]

Exactly

[green estuary]

Nah pretty much everyone who played the game was pissed that ahzrak killed serrat tbf

That’s one place I disagree

[gleaming vortex]

nah but there’s the one cutscene of you feeding him an arm and that’s melted everyone’s heart that I’ve seen (I agree tho)

[wooden dock]

I see slayers connection with serrat being the only thing in his life that views him as a person, instead of just a weapon to be used. Serrat genuinely respects and wants to protect the slayer

[frail bloom]

Well I didn't feel that till I red the codex

Cuz I understood

Instead of the writers just expecting me to imagine it

[green estuary]

Bruh
You don’t need a codex page to understand why losing a pet means something

[gleaming vortex]

fuck me it is ligra. too much nightreign will do that to me

[frail bloom]

Not really

If you're new to the series, and you have no idea abt what the slayer went through before, all you know is that your mount died

Idc abt the pet I care abt what it represents, and I would like to see that

in a cutscene

instead of some codex which ppl don't read

which the whole point of dark ages is show don't tell

[gleaming vortex]

yeah but its still something. regardless of who knows doom lore (most people dont) they still have a reaction beyond that.

[frail bloom]

Someone make an animation abt it so I can be happy

Wait.

[gleaming vortex]

I do think this is flawed as a philosophy, show AND tell would be more rewarding for the lore nerds (me)

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-dragon-warrior-its-me-kung-fu-panda-4-point-gif-12787045352870160956

[gleaming vortex]

you ever do the archvile drawing btw?

[frail bloom]

I'm animating it

I'm making a fight between it and the slayer

[prisma dawn]

Hello

[frail bloom]

Trust me it's not bad

[sudden stump]

That's probably the least confusing thing going on if you're new to the series and play TDA

[frail bloom]

Would love that as well

[prisma dawn]

So what talk goes on in here

[gleaming vortex]

bullshit LOL

[prisma dawn]

Oh

[wooden dock]

Doom the dark ages 2025

[gleaming vortex]

also that

[prisma dawn]

Oki then I'll leave you to it

[frail bloom]

Point is, his backstory should've been shown, or talked abt, anything in the campaign and not a codex

[gleaming vortex]

nahhhh stay awhile

its fun bullshit

[prisma dawn]

I don't know anything about doom

[wooden dock]

The campaign moment really only needs the feeling of losing a pet as context for slayers anger, the lore in the entry is purely supplementary

[delicate grotto]

I’m a sucker for animal companions but I honestly didn’t feel much when seeing Serrat die. Sure it was sad but there wasn’t a whole lot to make us feel attached, and it didn’t help that the gameplay was the weakest link of the 3 combat styles. To each their own though.

[gleaming vortex]

so, legitimate question, what brings you to this server?

[frail bloom]

Ye maybe Hugo needs to put down the pen a bit.

[prisma dawn]

Wouldn't it be best to take this to general

[frail bloom]

Hire a writer!

A good one!

I'm kidding

[gleaming vortex]

@hugo look here

[frail bloom]

Uh oh

Imma get vaporized

You do know he is in the server right

[gleaming vortex]

yeah but i dont wanna ping him lest he turns the ban hammer to me

[frail bloom]

Alr just saying

But he never checks the server

Which kills me

Cuz all the best discussions are in here

[gleaming vortex]

he thinks hes too good for us...

[prisma dawn]

My friend wanted me to find a server they liked and I know they liked doom so I invited them here i just kibda stuck around instead of leaving

[frail bloom]

NOOOO NOT REDDIT

WHYYYYY

[wooden dock]

Writing room has been completely replaced with reddit users for the next installment

[delicate grotto]

I like the story and creative choices they’ve made with Doom, but I don’t think it needs a compelling story. Not saying they shouldn’t try but it’s not important to me personally. I like the campy, violent Sunday cartoon sort of approach.

[frail bloom]

I would kinda love both

Dark ages kinda took itself too seriously in some areas, and we had less light hearted moments

[gleaming vortex]

honestly if you wanna get started on doom games (IF) I'd recommend the classic doom/doom ii, sourceports are free and you could hypothetically get the wad file from your friend. its fun!

[prisma dawn]

I have 2016

[frail bloom]

The only funny stuff I remember is the titan blinking fast when the bomb was in his mouth, and the payment required scene

[prisma dawn]

He plays xbox

[frail bloom]

Those were it.

Rest is hype aura or smt💔

I had enough of hype aura

[gleaming vortex]

civvie said something about duke nukem along the lines of "big moments matter just as much as little ones" and I honestly agree. Doom can take itself seriously during the main shit but give us more personality in the moments between

[frail bloom]

Ye even the darkest stories have fun little moments

[gleaming vortex]

also why people miss glory kills cus that was just personality farming lmao (i know theyre not coming back I think the new system is better for this game)

[solar cairn]

When I imagine how much content Hugo prepares, I immediately get goosebumps

[frail bloom]

But nope hugo gonna go on reddit

I hope he picks up the right feedback

Alongside on youtube and facebook or whatever boomer platform he uses

(Not youtube)

[gleaming vortex]

myspace

[wooden dock]

I really like how you can optionally do them now, it's a nice breather when you want it

[gleaming vortex]

I agree but theyre lowkey missing that secret sauce that eternal's had

[wooden dock]

Not constantly being locked in a multi second animation definintally improves the overall gaming experience
I love eternal but I would be lying if I said the constant kill animations never got a little annoying

[sudden stump]

I just like how executions don't lock your camera or lock your movement

Like you can press the button and aim at the next demon, flow is better than glory kills

[frail bloom]

Melee executions don't lock your camera

And you can definetly hit the next demon

Are you talking abt the above glory kills or melee executions

Cuz the former is optional

[gleaming vortex]

whuh

[frail bloom]

Glory kills are mini cutscenes, melee executions are the melee bops you give each demon when they are in daze state

[wooden dock]

Why would they be talking about the glory kills

[frail bloom]

"Melee finishers"

[gleaming vortex]

nah i get that we're all on the same page here tho

[frail bloom]

Well they said it locks your camera when that is false

You can objectively move your camera around

But you can only feel that in slow mo

[wooden dock]

You can move your camera around during the glory kills?

[frail bloom]

Melee finishers? Yes.

We know there are two different types right

[gleaming vortex]

yeah but not glory kills so we all on the same page here

[frail bloom]

Melee finishers and glory kills

Ye there we go

For glory kills it's literally impossible

It's a mini cutscene

[gleaming vortex]

dawg you actually just confused the fuck outta me im ngl

[frail bloom]

Might aswell not do an above melee strike

[gleaming vortex]

glad we got that settled????

[wooden dock]

I'm just confused because you pretty much just said the exact same thing he did like a correction

[frail bloom]

Well he said melee executions lock your camera when that is false

[wooden dock]

Read the message again

[gleaming vortex]

reread that champ

[frail bloom]

I am now a chump

I mean, I like that it locks your movement

But you can still look around

That is true

[wooden dock]

Anywho I've been playing on 40% slomo duration and it's been way more tolerable

Really cool setting to have available

[gleaming vortex]

I wish we could move it by tens instead of twenties. I go between 40 and 20 and I think 30 would be perfect for me

[wooden dock]

I hate it when devs make sliders with stupid points like that for no reason. Like no way that's a problem in the code someone set those values arbitrarily

[green estuary]

half of the time when I was glory killing in eternal, I was on edge because I could see the enemies in the background waiting to spawncamp me once the animation ended

[compact hemlock]

lose the charges, it's easy to get melee charges back if you're good at parrying. swapping should also be a decision with some thought put into it and cost attached to it.

[frail bloom]

Ok thanks for responding devo

They're doing rune swap too tho

How do we feel abt that

Cuz you could easily parry, trigger heaven splitter, parry again. And trigger daggers

How runes work anyway

Sometimes projectile parries trigger them, but not immediately afterwards

Are they on cooldown?

[solar cairn]

In my opinion, the change of melee weapons was done at the request of the fans rather than to improve the tactical experience

The glove adds a lot of dynamics to the game and deals a good damage with 4 attacks, the rest doesn’t seem to be needed

[frail bloom]

Well it's a qol change

You can switch midfight instead of opening some menu everytime

[solar cairn]

Changing the runes of the shield looks more promising, but again the shock rune seems to be also unbalanced compared to others

[frail bloom]

The shock rune doesn't shock everything, just everything in the vicinity

More demons are the solution, and a larger arena

Plus, flail is very good for restacking armor and mace is very effective against enemies you wanna get rid of quickly

[solar cairn]

The damage you inflict for the shock effect is always more than the damage to another rune at the same time

[frail bloom]

Ye but imagine shocking someone, and then switching to ground fissure

Now you get free armor points from simply changing and parrying

[wispy night]

Ground fissure can falter demons too, and the blades and shoulder cannon delete single enemies

[frail bloom]

Ye imagine mixing those together

[green estuary]

you already can

[frail bloom]

Ground fissure and turret let's say

[green estuary]

it just involves going to the menu instead of pressing a hotkey

[frail bloom]

Hell nah

Gimme that convenience

[green estuary]

yeah I'm just comparing it to melee swapping
just make the melee swap hotkey do the same function that the menu switching would do

[frail bloom]

Ye I'd be good with that

At the very least it isn't restricting you of changing melee in the first place

[wispy night]

What you want is something else to juggle with, leave the runes as is bc it's part of what the devs wanted the game to be about

[frail bloom]

Well here's the thing

You don't have to do it

It's there for convenience sake

Dark ages is not really a build game

You can switch from the menu anytime

What I want is a qol feature that may raise the skill ceiling a bit if you choose to engage with it

You don't have to use all your weapons in eternal

[wispy night]

Then add a significant cooldown when switching so you can't abuse it

[frail bloom]

For rune swapping?

[wispy night]

Yes

[green estuary]

again, you can already abuse it
all a hotkey does is add convenience

[frail bloom]

Ye you can easily do heaven splitter, change menu and put on daggers

But no one does it cuz it's lame to go into the menu

[wispy night]

Right, so add the cooldown. It's unnoticeable if you play normally without a hotkey, it just prevents mid-fight abusing of the feature

[frail bloom]

Katsu you play with rune swapping right

Does it actually "break the game"

[wispy night]

And then add a hotkey on top of it

[frail bloom]

Or does it make the game more enjoyable

[wispy night]

I play with rune swapping but I only swap in between times of more than 5 seconds between fighting enemies

As in I only switch if I'm not engaged directly

[green estuary]

just takes away all the convenience of the hotkey
there's no cooldown to going to the menu and changing it

[frail bloom]

Ye and it doesn't break the game either

Part of expressing yourself in dark ages is the amount of enemies you fight

Since rune and melee swapping raise the skill ceiling, you simply make harder encounters

[green estuary]

if you're quick enough to parry, activate a rune, then switch runes while another projectile is in mid-flight, then hats off honestly

[frail bloom]

Either in ripatorium, dlc or a new game plus

Why are we limiting this in just campaign

Eternal's campaign is easy when you abuse all your options yet it's harder to abuse those options in dlc and master levels

And Eternal could get that hard cuz the playerbase was capable

What's so wrong with raising the skill ceiling and allowing your players to expirement and express themselves

Dark ages dlc is gonna raise the skill ceiling too y'know

[wispy night]

I remember disliking having to pull a bunch of almost pixel-perfect key presses in Eternal to do a bunch of high-end tech switches and stuff if you wanted to min-max your game. Yeah you can play without it but that's where the skill ceiling was, doing that stuff.

[frail bloom]

And it's optional

I use 3 weapons max in eternal

[wispy night]

The skill ceiling of TDA doesn't have to be about skill pressing key combinations quickly, it can be more about strategy and learning the enemy patterns

[frail bloom]

And you can't increase the difficulty of those fights if you aren't capable of more

Why is it that 3 cosmic barons gives people fear but 5 barons in eternal is basically a joke

[wispy night]

3 barons in TDA are no harder than 5 in Eternal tho

[frail bloom]

Plus I can guarantee you won't be button mashing if you can switch a rune fast enough it's just a bonus for doing something risky

[frail bloom]

Ye I exxagerated a bit

But still, if you allow the player some more options, they can take on more enemies

More superheavies at a time

[wispy night]

I'm fine with that, I just don't want to have to button smash if I want to play at the highest level, I didn't like that about Eternal so I didn't play like that

[frail bloom]

I can understand that

But the changes they're making rn don't incentivise that

It's literally a qol feature

[green estuary]

nah I would take 5 barons in eternal any day over 3 cosmic barons (provided I had fodder to chainsaw)

[frail bloom]

It takes more buttons to switch to the menu

Think abt it like that

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm cooking fr

Gotta take a break tho

[inner wigeon]

Why’d they make it so when you change your kit and reset checkpoint the equipped shield rune stays but the newly equipped melee isn’t

Like whar????

[exotic jetty]

I 100% Doom the dark ages the other day

[inner wigeon]

Dopeeeee dudeeeeee

[exotic jetty]

Also should there be more skins for the dragon and atlan

Like nightmare reverant conqueror

[dapper agate]

Btw if azhrak is the prince then who is the king?(is it the slayer since they all fear him?)

[exotic jetty]

Nah it's prly someone in the high council

[short mountain]

fr

[north spire]

is the ssg bug fixed

cause i still cant block immediately after firing an ssg shot

but ive heard people say that it is fixed

so im confused

oh it was reverted cause of an exploit

Imma go back to Dusk and Ultrakill till it gets resolves I guess idk

hopefully ID can find out what's wrong and make it so that the SSG is actually functional again without turning TDA into Eternal 2 on accident

[split gate]

5 barons in Eternal is a cakewalk compared to the Cosmic Barons in TDA. Just stay up in the air using meathook and dash and PB rocket combo, easy. With cosmic barons, you literally have to face them with minimal bullshit tactics

[wheat sigil]

yeah 5 DE barons is easier, but 3 cosmic barons aren't particularly hard either

[wheat sigil]

unless you're literally doing the frame ballista, nothing is close to being frame perfect
with the input buffering, most things are weirdly lenient

[wispy night]

Its a saying, you still had to press several keys in a sequnce immediately after firing for a lot of it, like for the PB Rocket double lock-on and quick shooting the ballista or ssg which are 3 keys just to skip the shooting animation iirc

[wheat sigil]

there undeniably is a lot to press, yea
i like it though, as it adds another dimension and is fun imo

[merry sapphire]

is the hotfix out yet

[solemn mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[orchid badge]

Here's me ripping and tearing my way through my own Ripatorium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAhMTUc7IGc

[north spire]

Not sure how coding works, but is it possible to add a special variable that allows the SSG to not swap with weapons extremely fast without having the shield block bug?

Idk if I’ve worded that correctly, but I hope there’s a way to fix it

[stiff ice]

Theres an achievement for maxing out all melee weapons ive bought all upgrades for the gauntlet the flail and the mace but the achievement isnt popping is there something im missing?

[verbal void]

Davoth ig

The old one boss was disappointing

I mean i liked the athmosphere, attacks, design, etc

But one phase?

[split gate]

To be fair, the guy came back to life due to Hell’s own tech, he was a walking corpse

Plus he too old to make it to another phase

[full barn]

why is the ssg still broken

[wintry nexus]

No wonder they call him the old one

[full barn]

no way they fixed it then reverted the fix 💀

still broken

[wintry nexus]

Not even a real name 💔

[wheat sigil]

yeahh😭 reverted cus it allowed for ssg animation cancelling

[delicate grotto]

There’s absolutely a way to fix it. The swap speed is probably tied to every gun locally in some way. At least that’s my assumption, no way to really know without seeing the code ourselves. It’s a small oversight. Shouldn’t be hard to fix, but I’m sure it’ll take a little more time to isolate the bug.

[delicate grotto]

The spectacle alone makes me enjoy it personally lol

[stiff ice]

Yea i certainly expected more from cthulhu especially considering that the witch said hes the god of the cosmos os smth like that

[full barn]

god damn the accelerator is nuts

ssg bug is making me try other guns more often

pweaaase bethesda fix the boomstick

[full barn]

normal shotty is pretty good actually

fighting mancubuses in close range is a death sentence parrying these guys is a pain in the ass

unpredictable asf

[harsh egret]

Finally someone else who says it

Going for a 100% run doing all the masteries is smth i recommend all new players also cuz u really start to see the potential in weapons u wouldnt normally use

[full barn]

masteries are pretty easy to cheese lmao i got most of em done in like 5 minutes max

just reloaded checkpoints till i got it

also mission 5 sucks on repeat playthroughs holy shit

might just go full cheese mode just to skip it

[green estuary]

Holy city? Bruh

[dapper agate]

Ohhh

Makes sense ig

I wonder wuts the new dlc gonna be about

[lament lotus]

I'm hoping to see more of Deag Loric in the DLC. It'd be a potential plotline to explore what the Order Deag was like before the demonic corruption.

[meager vortex]

life sigil is 4 maxed

[lament lotus]

Plus Loric was very underutilized in the campaign (I don't even think the Slayer has even met him) and I'm curious about their potential dynamic.

[meager vortex]

deag loric is died eternal right?

[lament lotus]

Loric isn't in Eternal

[meager vortex]

oh

you mean TDA

[lament lotus]

Yes, I am talking about The Dark Ages in #the-dark-ages

[meager vortex]

i think he is dead

holy city crush

but if he not die well he wiil be dlc

deag priest will be fall in to the evil

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-hell-priest-barging-in-grab-gif-16818451516635136776

[harsh egret]

If u wanna cheese it then sure but i like to not cheese stuff :d

[brazen vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/ultron-marvel-meme-yuck-ugh-gif-14739145

[wheat sigil]

cheese bad
both in games and irl

[brazen vortex]

We dont cheese around these parts

[lament lotus]

Masteries aren't tracked for 100% completion, so I only did them once and never really thought about them again on subsequent playthroughs.

[neon perch]

Don't masteries in this game just give you weapon skins?

There's no point in farming them.

[brazen vortex]

I do it because my monkey brain forces me to 100% every time I play the campaign

[harsh egret]

When i said 100% the game i meant just do literally everything the game has to offer in one playthrough, i count masteries in that

[brazen vortex]

Same

Currently doing my nightmare run (did UN and pandemonium) and im having to go back cause i missed a piece of gold

[lament lotus]

I'm still trying for UN

I've played through Khalim so many times I can make it all the way to the gore portals without taking damage, at the cost of numbing my brain

[harsh egret]

Ill be starting un, prob pandemonium first at some point soon

[verbal void]

UN is so easy(i just started it)

[verbal void]

Moment before disaster

[green estuary]

Famous last words

[broken cargo]

i need help . TY . So i saw this and i wanna buy it but i saw someone in the internet saying that is a scam site .. i search on google and i cant find any information or unboxing videos about it . https: //gear. bethesda. net/ products/doom-the-dark-ages-red-keycard-stream-deck-mk-2-by-elgato-bethesda-gear-exclusive i put space between letters to avoid being a fake link , THANK you

[sleek ermine]

gear.bethesda.store is the official bethesda merch store

[broken cargo]

if you go to the site yourself . you can see it too ? TY

[sleek ermine]

I AM AT THE LINK

IT IS SAFE

AS LONG AS IT IS GEAR.BETHESDA.STORE OR INTERNATIONAL.GEAR.BETHESDA.STORE

[broken cargo]

Thank you i will buy it , thank you so much for spending time with me

[harsh egret]

its gear.bethesda.net lol

[sleek ermine]

dum-dumb

[harsh egret]

?

[sleek ermine]

I am dum-dumb

[harsh egret]

oh lmao

for a sec i was like huh? am i the one on some scam website or what

[solemn mauve]

[green estuary]

God I just love when cacodemons instantly fire their projectile with no wind up to speak of

[solid nacelle]

So awesome I wonder if id will ever address it

[frail bloom]

I hate it

They have to fix it

Otherwise you just can't use cacodemons much

[lament lotus]

I think what the DLC really needs is even more Super Shotguns nerfs (sarcasm)

[frail bloom]

Dlc is like a boogieman

We know basically nothing

[solemn mauve]

Other than that concept art? Yes.

[harsh egret]

they can fix everything, but until they rework his net attack the caco is not welcome in my ripatorium

[vague sinew]

I’m thinking next year’s spring is when the dlc will release.

[harsh egret]

i think i predicted feb 19th a while ago

[frail bloom]

When was tag revealed after eternal

Like 3 months?

[harsh egret]

wont be any correlation

[vague sinew]

About 8 months later iirc

[harsh egret]

if thats why ur wondering

[mystic coyote]

How are you all today?

[frail bloom]

8 months huh

[vague sinew]

It took a while for it to be announced

[solemn mauve]

I'm ok, hbu?

[vague sinew]

But we got master levels in the meantime

[harsh egret]

just like we getting other stuff rn in the meantime

[frail bloom]

I see

[mystic coyote]

Tired but good I started highschool last week and having my sleeping schedule changed has screwed me up

[frail bloom]

That doesn't make sense

[vague sinew]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

Was tag 1 released or revealed 8 months later

[harsh egret]

revealed 5 months later

released 7 months later

[vague sinew]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

Alr ye

We gonna wait a while

[harsh egret]

oh yeah

[frail bloom]

For now, I'm good with ripatorium updates

And a NG+

[harsh egret]

they clearly wanna do master levels/ng+, maybe in the next major update

[vague sinew]

Maybe we’ll wait a shorter time… i think they said they were already working on the dlc early on

[frail bloom]

Nah

[harsh egret]

like they said, they wrapped up balancing the game for the big boi stuff they gonna do next

[frail bloom]

It's different

[solemn mauve]

Isn't Mission select a Ng+ (if you have completed 100% before)? If not then what can it be?

[frail bloom]

A master level campaign essentially

[harsh egret]

yeah but like a proper ng+

[solemn mauve]

So basically

Master levels all of them

[frail bloom]

Yup

[solemn mauve]

You'd really think ID can do that provided Eternal never got a Ng+

[frail bloom]

It was covid

Smaller team

[harsh egret]

i mean we r just going by the dev console thing

[frail bloom]

Now they have the time and resources

[mystic coyote]

Along with the economy crashing

[harsh egret]

so its somewhat confirmed but who knows

[solemn mauve]

Holy shit, I actually forgot about covid

[delicate grotto]

I don’t expect MLs until we’re between late fall and early next year.

[meager vortex]

covid is gone

[mystic coyote]

My dads company had to let off closer to 100 guys from his department

[harsh egret]

lol i expect them next major update

[frail bloom]

I expect them all in one package

[harsh egret]

aka maybe in like 2 months MAX

[vague sinew]

Thank god…hated beinf locked in the house..

[frail bloom]

Cuz the dev menu suggests they are working on a NG+

So they have to remix 22 levels

[meager vortex]

your house is cave

[frail bloom]

Or maybe less since you can't do much with the mech levels and dragon levels

Except the slayer segments

[delicate grotto]

Honestly if we’re to get an entire NG+ campaign it wouldn’t be until after the DLC drops.

[solemn mauve]

Yeah

[vague sinew]

?? I don’t get it hold up 😅

[frail bloom]

How so

[harsh egret]

hugo said they are done with balancing the game for whatever is next, and they are working on master levels/ng+

[frail bloom]

It's literally just making the base campaign harder

[harsh egret]

its gonna come out sooner than that i promise u lol

[frail bloom]

It's not making a new game

Plus they have been working on it for a while now

[meager vortex]

lock down your self today

[frail bloom]

For like months

[harsh egret]

^

[frail bloom]

Most likely before the game released aswell

[harsh egret]

ok i doubt that ngl

but other than that yes

[frail bloom]

You literally told me that

[delicate grotto]

I’d just assume from a work flow standpoint. If most of your team is working on the DLC, you have significantly less resources going into remixing a campaign. Not only are these levels much larger than Eternal’s, it’s also suggested these remixed levels are going to have more than just updated encounters (going off Eternal’s ML design philosophy)

[harsh egret]

huh

[meager vortex]

official trailer scene doom slayer gear up ssg and shield

[harsh egret]

did i? no clue

[frail bloom]

I'm not saying like years, but maybe a month before release

[delicate grotto]

So once that DLC is finished they’ve got more time and resources to pour into NG+

[harsh egret]

idk what i said but oh well

[meager vortex]

but gameplay combat shotgun and shield gear up started

[frail bloom]

But their departments interchange a lot

Some who work on dlc may switch up and work on the master levels

[solemn mauve]

Yeah in the trailer it was a placeholder

[frail bloom]

Don't forget they have the ripatorium to update aswell

[harsh egret]

yh samir is right, id minmaxes their workforce like crazy

[meager vortex]

imagine ng+ that scene change ssg

[solemn mauve]

Hmmm could be a good idea

[frail bloom]

Ye and the feedback from the ng+ could bleed into dlc

[delicate grotto]

Development has moved fast but I’d be surprised if we get a whole 22 level package of new rebalanced encounters before DLC. They’d probably have to rescript a lot waves.

[frail bloom]

Dlc sounds like their magnum opus

[solemn mauve]

True

[frail bloom]

Ye no doubt they have to work hard but they'll do it in acceprtable time

I'd say it takes them 7 months total

[harsh egret]

5-6 months seems more than enough time for me

[frail bloom]

Took them 3 or 4 months already

So we're kinda close really

[harsh egret]

especially since we know they started work on it for a good bit now

[frail bloom]

And going off what they said before and the dev menu, it leads to the NG+ being very possible

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/aWs2pfDLLB0

[harsh egret]

[solemn mauve]

Do you have that image? Where it shows the dev menu and stuff.

I remember seeing it here, but it's lost for me

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/4tk8lkmYGWQ

see? ssg and shield gear up started

[wanton nimbus]

just finished TDA, 100% on every level, interesting how many resources are left over

[solemn mauve]

Yup

[wanton nimbus]

also i miss battle mode :((

[alpine pilot]

Where doom

[meager vortex]

go to the ripatorium mode

[dreamy kiln]

Doom everywhere

[solemn mauve]

WHOM DOOM!

[meager vortex]

kill the demons!!!!!

[wanton nimbus]

ripatorium is just ok, its fun if you want just the combat from the campaign

but being able to play against player controlled demons or play as a demon was something i adored, especially getting rewards for it too

[meager vortex]

rip and tear until done!

[wanton nimbus]

like slayer skins and podium stuff, i thought that was really neat

especially considering all the skins we can get are just recolours, which is neat, but eternal had complete different models, so cool

[solemn mauve]

Do you have a favourite skin/model?

[wanton nimbus]

barbarian scratched that he man itch for me, so maybe that or maybe the classic doom marine

do u ? :0

[solemn mauve]

Ha, those are some great skins, I am a die hard fan of the og marine skin

[harsh egret]

guess you could say thats a classic...

[solemn mauve]

Wbu Hato?

[harsh egret]

im a big fan of the biker slayer

[solemn mauve]

Based Biker Slayer Enjoyer

[hearty edge]

yea you have like 500 gold leftover

[frail bloom]

Sorry I was gone

Imma post it in screenshots

[frail bloom]

Well most ppl disliked it so that's why it's gone now

Other ppl who loved 2016's mp never spoke up

But they're everywhere now apparently

[solemn mauve]

Np 👍

[shadow flame]

im at the ancestral forge in the arena through which you can get the secret key. Got back here for the key after activating all three power switches. But there is a combat encounter for whatever reason and it just gets stuck in a loop of zombies and it never ends locking me away from getting the secret key. How do I get past this??? How do I make the fight end?? There are no more enemies to kill but zombies.

[frail bloom]

Why does unchained predator sound so weak here

I guess it was unfinished huh

[marble seal]

Out of topic:

I think they should add 3 or 4 more firearms for the dlc
Or maybe a new shield deck

[frail bloom]

3 or 4 weapons huh

Maybe a new melee, new gun

New shield rune

[upbeat junco]

its foreshadowing, since the spinny vending machine gives the slayer his super shotgun, the weak sounding unchained predator is meant to represent the state of the super shotgun after the update 2

[shadow flame]

nah it just never ends I tried moving far away to maybe despawn these enemies forever but the combat encounter just doesnt end there I cannot even get the key anymore

[marble seal]

Maybe a sword melee?

[frail bloom]

Um have you tried restarting the game, and then restarting the checkpoint

That's all I got really

[shadow flame]

ill try that

[frail bloom]

Idk what would it do really

All the melee weapons are blunt force in dark ages

To add a sword means it needs to clean cut

Maybe a spear!

It's literally an extra impaler

Not sure really

[harsh egret]

need some stabbing weapon

[frail bloom]

Ye I got an idea

[harsh egret]

a sword is a no brainer for a medieval doom

[frail bloom]

It's a one use sword/spear but you can stab everything in front of you in a 10 ft radius

Ultra mega impaler

Demon shishkabab

[upbeat junco]

Marauder's throwable axe

[frail bloom]

Eh

[shadow flame]

welp I did that and the encounter is still here

I kill all enemies and there's a never ending wave of zombies

and I just can't get the secret key for shit

because of the encounter barriers

[frail bloom]

Maybe submit a ticket at bethesda.net

I think that's the place to report bugs

Right?

[wooden dock]

This exact same thing happened to me. I had to just restart the level and accept the lost progress

[frail bloom]

Oof

[shadow flame]

🥲

70 bucks for this

[wooden dock]

Except, I actually got the key first. It disappeared from my inventory AND THEN the encounter to get it broke

[shadow flame]

wh what???? how did it disappear

from you inventory

[wooden dock]

No idea. I had already unlocked and gotten the secrets from some secret doors. If I had to guess it's respawn jank

[shadow flame]

holy shit

so what im meant to restart the level and spend another half an hour getting to where I already got

[wooden dock]

It's way quicker when you know the way

I just took a break after that 😭

[shadow flame]

are the dogs outside all secret key rooms

so I can at least upgrade my super shotty to the max

if yes then I will just find that get that and beat the level without the key and come back to it later

[hearty edge]

holy shit man the accelerator is so good i just decimated the vagary champion in like 30 seconds on my 2nd playtrough

took away like 60% of its healthbar on the first stun

[frail bloom]

Ye it's awesome

I did the same with pulverizer aswell

[uneven pumice]

Do these shield upgrades all apply at once or can you only have one selected?

[sudden stump]

All the base upgrades apply at once. It's the runes that you can only select one at a time

[uneven pumice]

Ok

Thanks

[shadow flame]

the fact there are runes makes me think im so early into the game bruh. But the strategy is so easy, I basically never use any other gun besides the Super Shotgun. Sometimes also the Chainshot because of its stunning armor penetration, though I don't use it outside of armored enemies much because of how obnoxious changing guns is with this one in your hand