the-dark-ages

[slim shuttle]

Yeah it feels good

[harsh egret]

alr one example would be the slow mo, does it feel to u like theres a little bit of slowmo still at 0%? and that sometimes u still get slowmo anyway

[hard thistle]

Oh they further nerfed super shotgun

[frail bloom]

Were the ssg nerfs necessary

[hard thistle]

That last nerf was more than enough

[frail bloom]

Are some of the maintains too much

[harsh egret]

i havent tried the mod before so i cant compare myself based on feel, but a bunch of people have said that apparently

to me 0% slowmo feels great

[slim shuttle]

I haven't checked.

[harsh egret]

right, well keep that in mind for when u do then

[frail bloom]

I mean it haaaaas been a day

We'll wait a week

[hard thistle]

oh hey player now skips straight to holy city of atrium

that's nice. ngl level 5 is my least favorite... it drags on

[sudden stump]

SSG still does the most damage up close when you land all the pellets, that's kind of its thing. But they do need to fix the block delay lol

[hard thistle]

hmm ok

[upbeat junco]

block delay is 🥀

[hard thistle]

hope that it stays untouched from now on. Don't want them going the fromsoft route and make things pointless

[slim shuttle]

On the SSG that will be fixed

[harsh egret]

at least they r aware of that one

[frail bloom]

Ye that's good

Someone should make a ripatorium preset video

Or not preset like different enemy loadouts if y'all get me

[upbeat junco]

nice

[frail bloom]

I think the worst update they've ever done was the tag 1 nerfs

Ever since then they haven't eent that far

[upbeat junco]

just go all heavies and super heavies trust

[hard thistle]

One thing that I liked to do in a ripatorium 1.0 was fighting cyberdemon leader 10 times while having him do 500% damage to me

[frail bloom]

I did, I was roasted

[upbeat junco]

totally not going to mop the floor with you in 20 seconds

[sudden stump]

Don't really want more than 2 super heavies unless you are a masochist

[frail bloom]

I actually like fighting 3 at a time

[upbeat junco]

never got humbled so hard

"light work" i thought

[harsh egret]

lmfao im stuck on an infinitely respawning imp and hellknight at the end of the mancubus leader fight on siege 1

so i cant kill the leader cuz the morale is stuck at 0

[frail bloom]

I think the ripatorium needs some pick ups

Bc it can explain why it's so hard to restack

Especially against so many enemies

Without pick ups your options are much lower

[harsh egret]

forget what i said

[upbeat junco]

Ripatorium is a nice addition but it needs some more work on it

[frail bloom]

I think the 1.0 implies that

[upbeat junco]

Yea

[frail bloom]

We need some pick ups

I don't want to buff restacking since that would ruin the whole point of pick ups

It just needs more pick ups that respawn at certain points in time

Otherwise it's hard to really push the games systems

Many ppl can kill 30 barons in eternal but 3 barons in dark ages is a nightmare

Kinda limits your options

[upbeat junco]

you can restack just fine if you're not running some bullshit preset with like 3 gorbillion heavies and 9 aggadons

[frail bloom]

No no I know that lmao

But part of restacking are the pick ups now

Which are missing in the ripatorium

[upbeat junco]

3 hours and im still trying to do this preset fml

[frail bloom]

Lol

[upbeat junco]

ngl khalim arena is kinda mid

its just flat, at least ryuul has some elevation differences

[frail bloom]

It actually gives you the best cover so I like it rather much

Iirc

I might be wrong

[delicate grotto]

Hate being late to updates. Just saw the horde mode trailer. Fucking sick

[frail bloom]

It's suuuper fun but obviously it can use some work

[upbeat junco]

it has those nice tall structures to BFC off

other than that its just minecraft superflat

[frail bloom]

I don't really like using bfc but maybe I should use it more

[junior nexus]

is the ancestral forge fight to get to the key bugged? the encounter doesn't end for me, it just keeps spawning fodder zombies

[frail bloom]

Ok clearly this is a big issue

Many ppl are getting soft locked

[upbeat junco]

i dont really like using the BFC either but when im boxed in by 6 knights, Baron, Cyberdemon, Verygay and champ Aggadon i very much prefer to use it

[frail bloom]

Ye that's the dilemma tho

Do I trudge through it like a champ or use the bfc and think I'm a chud

[delicate grotto]

What a fantastic update. This game always gets news when I’m too busy to catch up on it lol

[frail bloom]

It's a step in the right direction for sure

[upbeat junco]

you dont trudge it through just get used like a pinball when you're getting flung by a baron

[frail bloom]

Hopefully by the end of the update cycce we can get co-op ripatorium

[upbeat junco]

i might've overdone with 7 waves tho

[frail bloom]

7 WAVES

[upbeat junco]

haha yeah

[frail bloom]

I do think they are gonna work on having you customize different waves

So far you can only repeat a certain wave

[austere ridge]

they're not really waves either since once you kill a specific demon it immediately respawns

[frail bloom]

Ye that also

[austere ridge]

but I imagine they're gonna tweak it more and give more options to customize.

I really want like official presets (maybe with some unlockables too?) or a way for people to upload their own arenas

[frail bloom]

and hopefully if possible you can play presets with your friends

[upbeat junco]

trigger demons please 🙏

[frail bloom]

Imagine messing around will all the superheavies an after 6 hrs you conquer it with your buddy

[austere ridge]

I just failed a pandemonium run in the forge, during the Aggadon fight... oh well, time to go again

[frail bloom]

Sounds like an honest good time

[austere ridge]

yeah, co-op in this mode would be fun

[upbeat junco]

gonna try 3 waves surely it'll be better

[delicate grotto]

Can’t wait to try this stuff out. So cool to see a (triple A) developer listen to their fanbase.

[austere ridge]

honestly it will be the only multiplayer this game needs

[frail bloom]

Ye and you don't have to worry abt balance

You pick the preset that works or make your own

It's right there

[austere ridge]

I wonder when the expansion will drop though... I'm hoping it's this year but I realize it might not be

[frail bloom]

Would be a sleeper hit

[harsh egret]

realistically it wont drop this year, no

[frail bloom]

Ye earliest I'd say february

[slim shuttle]

Don't give up!

[frail bloom]

Latest I say June

[slim shuttle]

Use those falter rules

[austere ridge]

Thanks man, I just watched your guide too!

I guess I was just not prepared for those weapon nerfs and that encounter switch-up with the arachnotron

[solar cairn]

After death, do the weapons remain or do we have to start collecting from scratch?

[austere ridge]

you have to re-start the campaign, so yes

[harsh egret]

wut

[solar cairn]

Fuck..

[full barn]

why dont i got the quakecon skin

[harsh egret]

takes a bit, but i got mine a couple hrs ago

[full barn]

alrighty

[harsh egret]

it says it can take up to 72 hrs to get it i think

[full barn]

also anyone else feel like the ripatorium is kinda mid i would much rather have a horde mode or atleast procedurally genereted encounters

[frail bloom]

I'd rather customize mine

[austere ridge]

Eternal dropped in March and TAG 1 in October, TDA dropped in May and they said it's easier to build now since they have enabled ray tracing in their pipelines, so I have a small minuscule hope that it may release this year? Though if it were, I suppose we would've heard something at Quakecon

[full barn]

also sucks how all the enemies spawn at once

[harsh egret]

ripatorium with updates will be crazy good, atm its just in its starting phase i guess

[full barn]

it does say 1.0 so maybe

[frail bloom]

Think of it this way:

In a week you're gonna be playing different enemy loadouts from community suggestions

If it's one preset, you can only play one loadout

I'm not against a preset I want one too

But it has to be really balanced

And it's in its infant stages rn

[full barn]

yea but i dont want to tinker with sliders everytime i wanna hop on

thats whats holding it back

[frail bloom]

It takes at most 3 min

[full barn]

it should 100% have presets or something like eternal

[harsh egret]

they will prob add some presets or smth

[solar cairn]

Let them do as much as they need, I don’t want the add-on to come out for 3 hours without content

[frail bloom]

Ye for now you gotta take a bit of time configuring it

[harsh egret]

best chance to ask for these things is prob on hugo's stream next week
this week on the QC streams i doubt they're reading chat much

[full barn]

bummer, i know id are cooking with the mode though i trust them to make it better as time goes on

[frail bloom]

Oh for sure

[full barn]

id never misses

[harsh egret]

apart with eternal's horde mode

[frail bloom]

This is a good start to having the game have lots of replay value which it gained for me personally

[full barn]

i already have like 45 hours in it lmao

[delicate grotto]

They got quite a bit done for this content release too. Around two months of work. I wouldn’t say I expect it to release this year but I am surprised by how hard the team’s worked to push some really cool features out already. Though maybe I’m just used to COVID work cycles.

[full barn]

tda is peak its lowkey overhated

[harsh egret]

^

[frail bloom]

Just wait 5 years you're gonna hear a different tune

[austere ridge]

I wouldn't say it's overhated, I just don't see nearly as much hype around it

[sudden stump]

seemingly by people who haven't even played it, they can't answer basic gameplay questions when you ask lol

Idk why every new release has to be a dogpile now until the next game comes out

[full barn]

fr bro people said the same shit about eternal and now its held in a pedestal

[harsh egret]

also tip for people looking at steam reviews on games, u can sort reviews by 1hr+ played or 10hr+ played, i recommend looking at reviews from ppl who actually played the game properly, u usually see the positive review % also go up by 2-5%

[delicate grotto]

Or Doom Eternal fans who claim to enjoy the franchise despite playing and/or liking only one of the 8 mainline titles.

[full barn]

tbf og doom has like nothing in common with the newer titles

[frail bloom]

Even now doom eternal still gets support

[full barn]

ive never seen a singleplayer game get this much support bro id are goated

[solemn mauve]

Most of the time it's going to be them on hating this game, they haven't tried playing the ogs and tda is the closest we can get to the ogs smh

And then the mick Fans, man I know mick is goated I agree, but let the other composers shine too right?

[frail bloom]

What should the preset mode be for dark ages?

For the ripatorium?

[delicate grotto]

Modern Doom is more like the original Quake games for sure. Still, a lot of the hate TDA received was essentially from players who wanted an Eternal 2.0, or complained the franchise strayed too far from its original concept without keeping an open mind to its blend of classic and modern game design.

[frail bloom]

Should it work differently?

[calm tangle]

Oh boy oh boy I've been waiting to post this now that people are talking about reviews: I saw this really unhinged one you guys might like to read: https://steamcommunity.com/app/3017860/discussions/0/560246502201587250/?ctp=3

[sudden stump]

bro no steam bait pls

[hard thistle]

DOOM 3 is great tho

[delicate grotto]

For sure

[hard thistle]

but DOOM Dark Ages good too

[frail bloom]

Brass tacks pls I don't wanna lose brain cells

[harsh egret]

i aint reading all that bruv

[calm tangle]

Gotchu one sec

[harsh egret]

do not read that review, its ragebait

"I forgot to mention the $100 price tag, overblown open world trash with no usefulness, mandatory RT, 8hr campaign for Nightmare players, that too counting cutscenes. Denuvo DRM. DOA. 30K peak, GG. "

idk why u sending that crap here ngl

[full barn]

its funny because ''stand and fight'' is plastered in like every ad for this game idk how they got the impression that this was ever gonna be anything like eternal

[frail bloom]

Ohhh no not this type of person

[delicate grotto]

A lot of people tend to be illiterate these days.

[calm tangle]

I mean it's full of nutty stuff but the craziest thing is his complaining about a lack of "femininity" from the female characters and npcs (yes the NPCs.) Guy is looking for femininity in a doom game 🤣 🤣 🤣 then he talks about stellar blade lmaoooooo and how that game does it better

[frail bloom]

Oohhh naw

[frail bloom]

NOOOOOOOO

WHYYYYYYYY

[full barn]

holy shot point kid love your videos man

[frail bloom]

Why are there so many gooners in the gaming community

[harsh egret]

why are we talking about ragebait reviews, surely not

[calm tangle]

Big 🆙 s mate

[frail bloom]

Like why does thira's looks matter to you

[calm tangle]

Funney tho

[harsh egret]

nah

[frail bloom]

Anyways as I was saying

What should the preset horde mode be for dark ages?

[full barn]

wait thira is ugly by their standards?

[frail bloom]

Should you earn your weapons?

[frail bloom]

Apparently

[delicate grotto]

Update’s done, time to check this cool shit out

[frail bloom]

How many arenas should it cycle to?

[harsh egret]

enjoy brotha

[solemn mauve]

Not only that but also hating the VA behind thira, Debra Wilson

[full barn]

dudes be looking like jabba the hutt and calling 11/10's ugly

[calm tangle]

I don't wanna derail the convo anymore but I'll just say that the guy clearly thinks "femininity" is synonymous with "arousing" so if a female character doesn't have a huge ass and the facial features of an anime high schooler he's not gonna find it "feminine" enough 🤣 anyway I'll shut up now

[harsh egret]

bruh its ragebaaaait hellooo

[sudden stump]

AI generated rage bait nonetheless lol

[solemn mauve]

They have long lost their masculinity

[full barn]

prolly chatgpt too steam award baiting is pathetic

[harsh egret]

author is ragebaiting
author thinks this btw

what is this convo

[frail bloom]

@warm ibex sorry for bothering you again but I wanna hear if you have any ideas on what a preset mode should be for ripatorium. I was thinking you earn your weapons and maybe you cycle through 9 arenas and each 3rd arena has a champion for you to fight. What do you think? Maybe you can include it in your big horde mode vid. Cuz I've been hearing ppl wanting presets but the official mode by the devs should feel like only the devs can make it if you catch my drift(okay maybe not closed off to those who want to make what the devs could make but like an air of polish)

Man my vocabulary sucks

"Official-ness"

What's a better word

[solemn mauve]

Premium

[frail bloom]

Hmmmm I'll try that

[full barn]

polish?

not the country

[frail bloom]

Lmao ye maybe that

Ye that looks good

Thanks

[harsh egret]

watching the Hugo stream from yesterday, so far in the beginning

• the main menu will continue to expand with new stuff, aint done yet
• "we would like to expand on the ripatorium settings, cause this is super basic but there are other things we could do to give you a little bit more fidelity, a little bit more control over the experience, but this is a great foundation"

there we go

[frail bloom]

Yuh that's basically it

It's reassurances that this isn't one and done

[harsh egret]

yeah, not just new maps and stuff

[frail bloom]

I mean never?

[harsh egret]

damn thats nice to hear.

[harsh egret]

wdym

[frail bloom]

I could see them adding new maps they just need some time no?

Oooohhh wait

[harsh egret]

lol thats not what i meant, ofc new maps

[frail bloom]

You meant they wouldn't add JUST new maps

[harsh egret]

just not ONLY new maps will be what they will add to it

[frail bloom]

I'm dumb

Herro Horde

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-andrew-gif-3091015989928111603

[warm ibex]

I don't think presets will be (or really should be) anything super fancy like that. Not that your idea is bad in any capacity, but I'd imagine presets will be enemy loadouts created by id Software and nothing more

at least for the time being

[frail bloom]

I mean it would be nice tho

Doesn't need to be I guess

But I feel that's what community presets would be for if they ever do that

So I thought maybe they could make it stand out as the official version

[harsh egret]

they just need to add preset saves and thats it

[frail bloom]

Oh that would be cool

[harsh egret]

also customizable waves

[frail bloom]

And share your save

[harsh egret]

to customize each wave

[frail bloom]

With other ppl

[solemn mauve]

Yeah wave based is what we need

[warm ibex]

Once we get more maps (so probably post-DLC) I can see them maybe doing a mini campaign of sorts, but any sort of presets added in the immediate future will most certainly just be enemy loadouts created by id

[frail bloom]

Ye for sure

[warm ibex]

they need some sort of default saves as well, I think that's probably the biggest criticism of the mode I've seen so far

[harsh egret]

yup

[warm ibex]

I don't expect a shit ton from the ripatorium though. it's a fully customizeable horde mode that will be expanded upon as time goes on, that's all I can really ask for. a mini campaign is welcome but entirely unnecessary

[harsh egret]

not sure if u saw what i said earlier, or if u watched the hugo stream
but hugo did mention "we would like to expand on the ripatorium settings, cause this is super basic but there are other things we could do to give you a little bit more fidelity, a little bit more control over the experience, but this is a great foundation"

so its good to know already that they are gonna expand on these things

[warm ibex]

oh I didn't see that, thanks for letting me know

[harsh egret]

yh, watching back the vod since i fell asleep right before it

[warm ibex]

I went to bed once they started letting the audience play lol

[frail bloom]

Josh did mention that the community sharing their presets would be cool

[shrewd mountain]

I wish the demonic ships that just fly around will finally do damage back to the dragon
Such a mindless gameplay mechanic

[harsh egret]

yeah it was like 5 am for me

[frail bloom]

Kinda too late for that

[shrewd mountain]

True

Dragon missions were a bust ngl

[frail bloom]

But hey Serrat is dead

[shrewd mountain]

Atlan missions go hard

[frail bloom]

So no more missions

[shrewd mountain]

I like serrat :(

[frail bloom]

LMAO

[harsh egret]

i remember seeing him die, i was kinda sad in a sarcastic way at first lmao
but ye, rip serrat.

i was like ugh ofc they have to kill him off..

[merry sapphire]

they should have killed serrat off in the dlc cause we barely had interactions with the dragon lmao

cool ass dragon but man his death didnt really do anything emotional wise

[frosty pine]

The only things atm I want from the ripatorium atm are

New arenas

Extra music

And the addition of dlc enemies if there’s any

[solar cairn]

Every day they work on edits and content, all that remains is to wait, the main thing is that the breaks between patches are not 3-4 months

[frosty pine]

I hope the dlc has more emotional beats to it

Wild thing to ask from a doom game but idk

It’s looking like a solo doomguy adventure so maybe they can go more into his character?

[solar cairn]

I agree, levels with dragon and atlan were needed to dilute the long campaign, there will obviously be fewer missions in the dlc, so there is no need

The more Doomguy, the better

[rotund rune]

I hate the new changes

[dense sapphire]

i wish there was a randomize opiton for horde mode

[rotund rune]

The only weapon reliable to destroy armor is the chaingun

Now it's the best one

Ssg sucks against armor now, and it's range is pretty shit

[uneven flame]

atlan vs coughing baby

[delicate grotto]

I added a Vagary to my encounter setup on horde mode, but when the second wave began it upgraded itself to a Vagary Champion? Pleasant surprise. Not sure if horde mode has automatic difficulty scaling for its waves, this is the first enemy that changed its type on its own. I checked my encounter setup and didn’t select the Champion version. Very interesting.

[uneven flame]

does dark ages have empowered demons like eternal? i never paid enough attention to know

[delicate grotto]

No it does not

[delicate grotto]

I tested it again and it didn’t happen this time. How odd

[frosty pine]

Kinda wondering why certain songs are missing from the juke box

[drowsy pulsar]

Can I just say, as passionately as I can, screw whoever at id Software created the Vagary boss fight. The stupid acid does more damage than ANY of his legit attacks. That does NOT make a boss fight fun. Learn proper design 👍

[sudden stump]

I just don't walk into it

[rotund rune]

Exactly

[rotund rune]

Impossible in an arena full of demons

[drowsy pulsar]

Oh trust me I keep my distance. I was using the pulverizer for most of it. But he just doesn't go down and his acid does unreasonable damage when he spews it at you. His acid can reach so far. The area of denial is insane

[delicate grotto]

New mode is good fun! Glad they’re going to be updating it in the future, it’s difficult to make well balanced encounters without trigger demons. Sometimes I don’t want all the heavies to spawn within the first wave
Love the concept though.

I’ve been asking for something like this since Eternal. Very cool to see it in place here.

[lament grove]

is it rlly that bad, im gonna try it out rn its been a minute since i last fought it

[oak yew]

does 0% slow mo still have a bit of slow motion for anyone else

[rotund rune]

It's absurd how demons don't have an attack pattern, all the 20 attack at once and ur shield break

[rotund rune]

Idk I think they should have added some essential and simple stuff before 3 maps at once. One map but being able to custom each wave would be better

[sudden stump]

it's a giant ass room with like one manc to the side

[rotund rune]

It also pretty sucks that there's no gap between the waves, the demons just keep spawning as you kill

[rotund rune]

I'm talking about it in the new mode

[sudden stump]

the mode that also has giant ass arenas?

idk most people I see dying in ripatorium seem to just stand in the center of the map and let everything rush them

[delicate grotto]

They do. They all use a token system. I’m not entirely sure how it works but the tokens allow demons to attack. Higher the difficulty the more tokens each demon has. It’s to ensure they don’t all attack at once. The projectiles are just reaching you at the same time

[lament grove]

doesnt for me

[delicate grotto]

I agree

[hearty edge]

i died more times there than with enhanced ahzrak

[oak yew]

I used the mod to do 0% slow mo before it defo has some slow motion still
use ssg before and right after a parry and look

[delicate grotto]

Also Vagaries seem to be a little bugged for this mode? I’ve had a few instances of normal Vagaries upgrading to Champions. I love the surprise, it’s cool, but I don’t think it’s intentional with how inconsistent it happens lol.

Wondering if anyone else has noticed this?

[lament grove]

yep just did this on chap 4 with the multiple hellknights in that small circle, i dont see any slow motion

[oak yew]

might be an issue with my game then

or eyes I guess

[lament grove]

maybe, and yh might just be you thinking there is slowmo there

they only just added it so ig itll take a bit to adjust

[rotund rune]

Wtf lmao

[harsh egret]

Ye im starting to get why people still feel slowmo, and sometimes still getting slowmo in rare cases

Now that ive been playing on 0% for a bit

Needs a lil bit more polish but i think its pretty decent

95% of the time it feels great

[rotund rune]

@delicate grotto I ALSO FUCKIN HATE how the new mode doesn't save anything about our preferences. Everytime I restart I gotta pick which melee I want, which weapon I want (impaler over shredder) it's tiring

[harsh egret]

0% isnt for me but ye

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I’m sure they released this mode as is to test it out first and see how it goes. There will likely be small QOL updates to it in the coming weeks.

[delicate grotto]

It’s bizarre

[drowsy pulsar]

BTW my problem is NOT with the Vagary itself. Don't get it twisted. The Vagary is fine later in the game when he becomes a regular engagement. But the problem is, during his boss fight, you're still very underpowered and he just wrecks you. It's not balanced like later on in the game

[rotund rune]

There's also no saves about the difficulty settings. I gotta put it the way I want everytime

[rotund rune]

Ok but some absurdly simple stuff don't need teste, like saving our preferences

Everytime I gotta select power gauntlet

[harsh egret]

They already said they are gonna be expanding the ripatorium settings and all that, its just something basic for now

Shouldve said "early access" instead of "1.0" lmao

[rotund rune]

Very much this

[rotund rune]

The problem is that their "basic" is very weird. I'd think the basic would be give a single map with the necessary settings, instead they gave us 3 maps at the start with some mediocre configurations

@delicate grotto I swear they all attack at the same time

[lament grove]

slowmo slider doesnt affect the dragon combat, about to see if its the case for the atlan too

can probably assume it doesnt change it either

yeah it doesnt thats unfortunate

i think they gave those cyclops titans a new move i dont think they ever did triple shots of the eye blast thing, caught me offguard so hard i died 😭

[pearl pumice]

Runner has it they brought back quick swapping is that true ?

[solid nacelle]

They increased general weapon swap speed

[pearl pumice]

I heard there is a slider for it

[grim cloud]

nearly 3 hours for the meet and greet. talked to everyone about something

i tihnk i may of hurt one guys feelings. whoops

[sudden stump]

You can switch weapons much faster but it's still not anywhere near eternal with animation cancels

[grim cloud]

i can certainly come off as a asshole but i dont mean too

id dev: "I made the tutorials for doom eternal"

me: "i turned those off"

[wheat sigil]

i really like how you can perform some console commands in here by defaukt

maybe you could that in eternal too? but not afaik at least

[hearty edge]

nah i feel the mancubi are the real bosses in the vagary fight

i knew you could destroy their arms but i didnt know how without the ssg

[pearl pumice]

I don’t understand why they can’t just suck it up and allow us to toggle that on

They do know a lot of fans like that lol

[hearty edge]

if you were able to then it becomes ez

[sudden stump]

Same reason they wouldn't increase ammo counts in Eternal. Gotta stick to their guns to some extent.

I mean yeah we can adjust all this stuff but quick swapping inherently is not how the game is designed to be played

[pearl pumice]

Eternal didn’t have toggles tho

https://youtu.be/kSNtb6ndbvA?si=lgwO3X-PofkJHtHQ can you at least do this

This is a mod would be nice to have officially

This is like exactly what I would want from tda

[sudden stump]

I mean yeah we can adjust all this stuff but quick swapping inherently is not how the game is designed to be played

[pearl pumice]

I wanna retry it with updates but it’s still insanely pricey and I’m way too poor for it

[pearl pumice]

That’s why it’s a toggle lol

Hopfuly game goes cheep soon realy wish I could afford it to try it

[wheat sigil]

you can perform shield swaps

[sudden stump]

None of the existing toggles in TDA conflict with the game design though. They just adjust existing behavior

[pearl pumice]

Not the same

That feals clunky

[pearl pumice]

Idk I don’t think I’ll buy a doom game without quick swaps ever

[wheat sigil]

why?

[sudden stump]

you missed out on OG Doom then I guess

[pearl pumice]

That’s what makes doom fun for me

[frail bloom]

Doom game and quickswaps are not something that has been a mainstay

[pearl pumice]

Og is dated and kinda mid

[frail bloom]

Plus your shield throw is quicker so you can preform some insane comboes

[pearl pumice]

I also just don’t tend to like gorey games realy and the fun combat made doom more fun

[wheat sigil]

so do some sickass shield swapping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDPPVplBblI

[pearl pumice]

It’s not as fun

[pearl pumice]

That’s not as fun

[frail bloom]

Well womp womp

[sudden stump]

Well it's the game that TDA is designed after, so you're going to have to deal with it I suppose

[frail bloom]

Not the game for you

[wheat sigil]

why not? it's exactly like regular eternal animation cancelling

[frail bloom]

And not indicative of bad design either

[pearl pumice]

Or I can just not play the game I don’t like

[frail bloom]

There you go

[pearl pumice]

Dosent feal as fun and less insane stuff you can do

[sudden stump]

Never said that wasn't an option

[frail bloom]

Cuz you haven't pushed it

[sudden stump]

I merely just explained why there's no quick swapping

[pearl pumice]

Tda Luckly didn’t sell well so we vibing untill they make a not 70 dollar game with forced rtx

[wheat sigil]

i mean punch cancels were discovered way after release for eternal, and you can still silent mod swap, which is something

[frail bloom]

I can do several comboes with 2 guns of choice melee and shield inputs

[pearl pumice]

Hey man I’ll try it again when the game goes on sale for a reasonable price

[frail bloom]

With no slo mo I can do them faster

[pearl pumice]

I can’t afford a 70 dollar game

[frail bloom]

52 isn't reasonable?

[pearl pumice]

No

Not with forced rtx

[frail bloom]

Might as well make it free

Play Eternal man

[pearl pumice]

Should be like 20 then I’ll buy

[sudden stump]

well get a console then idk they run this game fine and are cheaper than a PC

[frail bloom]

It got it's mod database outta beta so have fun there

[pearl pumice]

Why would I buy a whole system when my pc can do what an Xbox can do but better or ps5

[pearl pumice]

I was already playing the beta dosent change Mutch

[frail bloom]

Still cool they're supporting eternal

[pearl pumice]

Doom tda is just poorly made no reason it should run worse then red dead 2

[frail bloom]

Here we go again

You have zero idea what you're talking abt

[harsh egret]

I have this shiny guy blocked from before, clearly for good reason LOL

[frail bloom]

Sulk somewhere else no one can hear you

[sudden stump]

If a PC can't handle ray tracing then it isn't doing things better than the consoles lol

[pearl pumice]

It can handle ray tracing it just nukes preformance

It causes less than what it can usually get

Ray tracing also dosent make games look all that good

[sudden stump]

Yeah man I only get 90 FPS in this game instead of 120, lazy devs

[delicate grotto]

Ah my arena setup was so epic it crashed my game.

[frail bloom]

It's not just for lighting simply for graphics but of course it goes right through your head

[harsh egret]

Neuron activation when he heard "quick switching is back" or sum shit and then i come back and he is on a rant about RT lel

Classic

[frail bloom]

Ye where is muh eternal????

I bought this game I expected eternal!!!!!

[delicate grotto]

I feel like I’ve seen you before.
And I feel like you’ve had this conversation already.

[harsh egret]

Clearly i blocked him for good reason before, not sure why but yes.

[frail bloom]

Ye like months ago

[hearty edge]

isnt it on sale rn

[pearl pumice]

Not enough imo

[frail bloom]

The raytracing requirement is too much rn for him to afford so he'll have to wait until a big sale

[green estuary]

Gee, a brand new game with much better graphics requires better hardware than a game made 7 years ago
I’m absolutely shocked

[frail bloom]

Or until he gets enough money

[green estuary]

Never could have seen that coming

[pearl pumice]

Most games I need frame gen if I’m maxing out doom tda only hits like 30 fps on lowest settings

My graphics card I can almost max out on space marine 2 for example

[sudden stump]

What is said graphics card

[pearl pumice]

3060 to

[harsh egret]

How do u have frame gen support but u also get 30 fps

[green estuary]

Honestly I call BS

[pearl pumice]

Not bs

It ran super poorly without Frame gen compared to other games

[frail bloom]

Well there are several factors

[green estuary]

My laptop 4060 gets 50-60 native fps in TDA
On high settings btw

[pearl pumice]

Trash engine and forced ray tracing

[green estuary]

The 3060 ti is literally the same card

[frail bloom]

What are your specs

[pearl pumice]

I could toggle ray tracing half the time it isn’t noticeable in games

[harsh egret]

A 3060 does not get 30 fps on lowest settings lel

[green estuary]

Right?

[harsh egret]

Actual moron

[pearl pumice]

Without frame gen it dipped supper hard

[hearty edge]

use a vpn to go to guatemala it's 37$ here rn

[harsh egret]

Shit build then

[frail bloom]

What are your specs

[harsh egret]

Glhf

[pearl pumice]

3060 ti 32 gigs ram 5 5600x 6 core

[pearl pumice]

Wait till 20 is what I will prob do

[hearty edge]

man it's never gonna be 20

[pearl pumice]

My build is awsome it looks fire

[pearl pumice]

90% of 70

[harsh egret]

l m a o

[frail bloom]

Huh you should be fine

[frail bloom]

Is he missing anything

[green estuary]

Running max settings on space marine 2 and getting 30 fps on low settings in TDA makes negative sense man

Like I’m sorry

[harsh egret]

A brain yeah

[waxen maple]

I agree with this.

[frail bloom]

[waxen maple]

An impossibility.

[sudden stump]

might want to get a console after all then, runs much higher than 30

[pearl pumice]

Ultra not max fyi

[wheat sigil]

loving the cordiality lol

[pearl pumice]

My card physically can’t max out due to low vram

[hearty edge]

idek man i play TDA in my 3050 4gb vram laptop with a ultra low cfg mod and it runs at 50-60

[green estuary]

I mean ultra is basically max
And low settings in TDA turns off all the RT reflections and shadows

[pearl pumice]

Key word ultra low mod

[harsh egret]

Right, i dont block people without a proper reason, clearly u said some stupid shit before and u continue to do so. Lmao.

[waxen maple]

Yeah but Space Marine 2 actually has so much shit going on.

[rotund rune]

This configuration is so stupid. The game should just spawn more enemies after a wave is depleted. This way target priorities don't matter.

[hearty edge]

still looks darn fire and idc it doesnt ruin my experience

[waxen maple]

Would hurt much more wouldn’t it?

[rotund rune]

@harsh egret @delicate grotto aren't you stressing with this too?

[pearl pumice]

But you need mods

[green estuary]

Most arenas are like that where you kill all the heavies and then more spawn in
But some encounters have trigger demons yeah

[harsh egret]

I havent played it enough to know.

[hearty edge]

it's less than 1kb

[rotund rune]

Also every enemy attacking at the same second makes this mode unbearable

[frail bloom]

All demons do that on nightmare

[sudden stump]

normal nightmare token experience

[harsh egret]

:p

[green estuary]

Fair lmao
But it gets really old seeing people constantly shit talk the game and come up with performance numbers that make zero sense whatsoever

Although point taken

[proud vine]

they fixed the super shotgun reload cancel

[frail bloom]

You mean the glitch?

[proud vine]

the one where you could block while reloading

[green estuary]

Yeah they’re bringing it back dw
They mistakenly removed it

[harsh egret]

Thats getting fixed

"first thing monday" according to mr Hugo

[delicate grotto]

I agree. There will be updates to improve it later though yes, some small config/QOL options would’ve been appreciated from the start. Still fun to mess around with. Has a ton of potential

[proud vine]

thank you hugo

[sudden stump]

Monday is big oof, but I guess all the devs are at QuakeCon right now

[proud vine]

fighting cyberdemons with the super shotgun feels horrible right now

[wheat sigil]

same happens for every game, but being hot-headed about it won't make it any better, if anything it'll make it worse because you're not inviting the other side to actually see your point, which will lead to a bad feedback loop, and it'll lead to a negative experience for everyone

[rotund rune]

It's also making me see some enemies aren't made to be fighting by the side of others

[harsh egret]

I kinda like it, makes me think twice when timing my shot lol

And it still does fuck ton of dmg

[proud vine]

im probably just too used to it

[grim cloud]

Maxed out ripatorium. So I cant add max all demons. Anyways it was fucking hilarious

[proud vine]

and yes the damage is still there wich is always fun

[harsh egret]

Yeah tbh i don't dislike how it is rn, but its good still that its getting fixed

[grim cloud]

I lasted 90 seconds on hmp

[rotund rune]

What changed? I know it's horrible but idk why

Fighting armored enemies with super shotgun is an ass now. They killed the weapon

[grim cloud]

So no enforcer demon variants? Prob because they have their own mini army?

[proud vine]

basically you could block while the super shotgun was reloading
they took that out by mistake

[frail bloom]

They overcorrected it a bit but some feedback would be nice

[green estuary]

True

[hearty edge]

damn

[rotund rune]

How do you know it's a mistake?

[grim cloud]

Oh and zero slow downs make the game better. I didn’t expect that much improvement

[green estuary]

Yeah I’m making a mod rn that un-nerfs it lmao

[proud vine]

hugo said they are gonna add that back

[rotund rune]

Amored knights kick my ass with ssg now lol (obviously not in a 1v1)

[green estuary]

I thought they might have done something good there but you shouldn’t have to point blank a chain gunner shield to heat it up

[proud vine]

just use the flail fr

[green estuary]

Problem is the flail does zero damage
It literally can’t even one shot a basic fodder imp

[harsh egret]

Fair, to me it was the fact that he was blocked for me, and i usually block ppl if they say reeeaaally stupid stuff

[wheat sigil]

honestly they should really make it possible to parry even during weapon animations, as not being able to do so right now is mostly an active impediment and discouragement to full utilization of the arsenal
there's clear synergy between weapons, but i feel like this one thing is reallyy annoying for me at least

[proud vine]

only time it's really an issue (apart from the current super shotgun fuck up) is a poorly time chainshot

[sudden stump]

Besides bugs what animations are you not able to parry during?

[wheat sigil]

i totally get lessened quick swapping, and i stand by that
but going to the point of "artificially" hindering normal utilization of the arsenal feels meh imo

[rotund rune]

You guys can't imagine my face of surprise when I put the golden hunter, 2 barons, a few HKs and a baron and kept dieing repeatedly

[green estuary]

Real shocker there

[proud vine]

the chainshot "shot" animation and the impaler reload animation

[green estuary]

Impaler too? Damn

[wheat sigil]

any weapon swap has a slight delay, but the ssg reload is the worst lol

[proud vine]

the one where it reloads another pike

always has been this way as far as i know

[wheat sigil]

there can be noticeable down-time, between parries which i'm fine with as it allows you to set things up for later, but that's made harder when you can't parry at your own will lol

[sudden stump]

But didn't they change that in the last patch? You can freely block during swap animations now

[wheat sigil]

i'm noticing a significant delay with many weapons

[proud vine]

maybe it's not intended?

[wheat sigil]

hm?

[lunar spire]

Have you been overclocking it??

[proud vine]

if it's not on all the weapons it may be a bug

[lunar spire]

Like I have a weaker card statistically and run 60 fps on low settings. Not all settings lowest either.

[proud vine]

or they just felt like it

[lunar spire]

All I can think of is homie was killing his card and it can't keep up

[proud vine]

he mined too much 🥀

[lunar spire]

Smh

Fr like I have the lower end of what the game can run on and it runs perfectly

[proud vine]

as a grapichs card i yearned for the mines

https://tenor.com/view/castle-make-and-play-castlexyz-gif-11082187313943229177

[lunar spire]

Gotta be what homie was doing

Tho I'm having a hard time seeing lack of cordiality

Which was apparently brought up

[frail bloom]

See you always pinpoint the greatest issues but like you're the only one doing it

Best chance you got is forwarding this to mayo since he has direct access to Hugo's contacts

[harsh egret]

Prob my bad, just that bro was blocked from before for me and i dont block ppl randomly

[green estuary]

Like he has a 3060 ti, which is the same or better performance-wise compared to my laptop 4060
Yet here I am running it between 50-70 fps native on high setting no problem and he’s complaining about 30 fps on low settings
Makes no sense

[proud vine]

maybe it's a vram issue

[lunar spire]

If it's vram he wouldn't even be able to run it according to what others have said

[harsh egret]

A 3060ti runs the game fine

[green estuary]

He also said he ran ultra setting on space marine 2 no problem
Which is why I don’t buy it

[proud vine]

then his card is simply cooked

[lunar spire]

Maybe his drivers are suuuuuuuper outdated

[proud vine]

straight up

or it's the drivers yeah

[harsh egret]

Wouldn't he get a warning on launch

[lunar spire]

Yes

[proud vine]

not since the last update i think

[green estuary]

Yes
You can’t run the game with outdated drivers

[lunar spire]

Yes you can

[green estuary]

I know I couldn’t last week

Unless it changed with update 2

[lunar spire]

I did literally up until last week

[harsh egret]

Yh u technically can

[lunar spire]

I was running with rather outdated drivers honestly and it ran 60 fps

[green estuary]

It physically wouldn’t let me start my game until I updated the drivers

[proud vine]

bro got the nvdia mafia on his tda copy

[frail bloom]

In some extent but it's more the arena imo.

The arena in ripatorium is really flat and there's basically almost no cover. You can have multiple superheavies you just need a spacious and well covered space. A good arena facilitates a good and beefy encounter

[wheat sigil]

no it's more fun to talk into an abyss and circlejerk about it

[frail bloom]

Nooooooooo you can't do this

[harsh egret]

Lmfao

[lunar spire]

Wild

[green estuary]

[lunar spire]

The cherry picking is crazy

[grim cloud]

Dinner break at the Gaylord then back to TDA. I think there is a slayers club stream later

[frail bloom]

Wheeeeen

[grim cloud]

It’s in schedule I believe

[harsh egret]

Same time as yesterday

Both streams

Another hexen/heretic stream and then eternal mods

[wheat sigil]

hey you are also yap capable

[grim cloud]

There is a 7pm one and a modding stream too I think

[frail bloom]

oh yeah

[grim cloud]

Isn’t there a TDA play through ?

[harsh egret]

Nope

It was supposed to be yesterday

But they just did ripatorium the whole stream instead i think

Yeah today its Hexen showcase + doom eternal mod stuff

[wheat sigil]

hugo will be playing eternal mods?

[harsh egret]

I assume so

[wheat sigil]

cool

[harsh egret]

Not sure actually

[lunar spire]

Ok so I haven't seen patch notes, what all did they do to the impaler?

[harsh egret]

I dont remember at least

Look at patch notes xd

[lunar spire]

Fuc

Alright fiiiine I'll go read I guess

[harsh egret]

Im off to bed, gonna miss the streams but it is what it is

[lunar spire]

Goodnight bossman

[frail bloom]

When is the stream

[wheat sigil]

i am guessing that it'll start right when i fall asleep and end right when i wake up

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[grim cloud]

I’ll be there in person for the mod showcase

[green estuary]

Slayers club should start in an hour

[grim cloud]

For now, I need to finish my zeppole dinner

[plucky haven]

the ssg did not need another nerf

[green estuary]

I initially thought it did
But after playing with it I’ve swung the other way yeah

[warm ibex]

after playing around I'm generally fine with it utside of the nerf to armored manc armor damage

they're way too tanky at the moment. buff to their armor damage and standard health damage is miserable

[bold mulch]

how do we get the quake con skin if we're already linked?

[warm ibex]

it takes up to 48 hours to unlock, so you just wait

[bold mulch]

oop gotcha

thanks

[warm ibex]

I got mine about 24 hours after the update, so it should unlock sooner rather than later. and no problem man

[rotund rune]

I actually think they have more cover than the main game

The problem is that enemies like Vagary and Agaddon don't work with other characters. You can see everytime we fought them they were alone with fodder or just had one other heavy with them. Fighting an Agaddon while fighting multiple enemies is a nightmare, because his skulls aren't balanced for this. He'll shoot the most lethal shots of the game because they'll break your shield constantly

And Vagary's acid is BS

[grim cloud]

Do uou think they should add enforcer class demons into ripatorium?

[green estuary]

Mancs had 26k health pre-update and now they have 32k

And cacos got a huuuge buff too

25k health to 35k

[rotund rune]

This game is definitely not like Eternal in the sense you can fight any combination of enemies and win, as this one treats some enemies like bosses rather than super heavies

[rotund rune]

You can't be true

[green estuary]

I checked the files

[rotund rune]

This is an absurd man

[rotund rune]

I'm not saying you're lieing, it's just that this is madness

That's why some weapons seem to use rubber bullets now

[wheat sigil]

was just thinking about how i dislike that generally, agaddons will just take a loong time to deal with

[rotund rune]

Ssg is useless if you don't shoot it in a range shorter than 1 meter now 🤡

[wheat sigil]

csg was always the goat anyways

[green estuary]

[rotund rune]

Ssg?

[wheat sigil]

csg, combat shotgun

[green estuary]

Combat shottie

Look how they massacred my boy

[rotund rune]

I never use it

[wheat sigil]

bozo

[sudden stump]

I mean Isn't the point of the gun to land all the pellets to deal max damage?

[rotund rune]

Now ssg is in shambles

[rotund rune]

Yes but we had a decent range before. Now you gotta be absurdly close like a melee weapon

[green estuary]

They didn’t change the fall off range
Point blank damage was always waaaay higher than normal damage

[rotund rune]

Tbf when the melee in the game have a better range than ssg

[rotund rune]

It was, but before you could do some disgusting damage from a decent range

Mainly on armor

[sudden stump]

well good shield bash exists, free falter and you get to be teleported point blank

[green estuary]

Yeah
Sadge

[pearl pumice]

They were updated on launch and after launch

I had actually just gotten a new pc right around the time it launched so

[wheat sigil]

shield dash->shield throw was always the goat anwyays

[rotund rune]

This isn't the best option always

Mainly against a Mancubus. Now I'm only using chaingun against them

[pearl pumice]

Game is just poorly made and poorly optimized

[wheat sigil]

what do you think is poorly made besides the optimization?

[pearl pumice]

Ue5 games I had running better than it

[plucky haven]

no its even worse than that you cant even one shot whiplashes with shield and ssg combo

[pearl pumice]

Poorly written story

Poor gameplay compared to other entry’s

[plucky haven]

the weapon was balanced before the update

[sudden stump]

Melee the manc first to force his parry attack then?

[wheat sigil]

why is the gameplay poor in your opinion?

[rotund rune]

We definitely are making very different arenas. I'm putting enough heavies to need the shield everytime

[green estuary]

This is placebo lmao
The damage to whiplashes hasn’t been touched

[plucky haven]

the ssg now does less damage than the combat shotgun

[pearl pumice]

Lack of quick swapping makes enemy’s feal supper slow and unfun to fight

[rotund rune]

Shit

[pearl pumice]

It feals realy clunky in a bad way

[rotund rune]

I remember you were some avid hater here months ago

[pearl pumice]

It’s like driving a tank in battlefield 6 after driving a race car it just feals bad

[rotund rune]

Are you sure!?

[pearl pumice]

Still a hater just wondering if quick swaping came back

[green estuary]

No it doesn’t lmao
Not even close

[rotund rune]

Kinda. It's viable

[wheat sigil]

enemies are very slow, which is kinda unfortunate yea
but i don't think a game with less focus on animation cancelling (which is still here in some sense) is inherently bad or clunky

[pearl pumice]

I saw a mod that adds it and apparently it’s a slider option now to reduce the swap timer ?

[rotund rune]

What I think is indeed poor design is the enemy design and this new mode I can't write the name shows it

[green estuary]

How come?

[wheat sigil]

you can still use your full arsenal, but the optimal way to get dps has somewhat shifted, and there's less focus on mechanical skill

[rotund rune]

I don't think it's an option, it's just faster now. Someone can correct me @green estuary

[pearl pumice]

Eh there’s a mod at least to get eternal levels of fun sadly Bethesda mod crutch strikes again

[rotund rune]

What I said here @green estuary

[wheat sigil]

you could optimize your playstyle for shield swapping

[rotund rune]

It's good enough now bruh. You also need to swap weapons a lot more. No weapon does everything now. You need some to shield break, others make more damage to the meat itself

[pearl pumice]

I would rather just play a diffrent shooter then

[green estuary]

Me when I can’t hold down mouse1 and alternate between ssg ballista

[green estuary]

Well it’s not like other shooters really have animation canceling either
So do they all suck in your opinion?

[pearl pumice]

I wanna do like 4 weapon combos eternal had a lot of cool tech like starting fights with the plasma gun and then do like a 3 weapon swap that was cool

[lunar spire]

That is objectively false

[wheat sigil]

turbo overkill with way faster swaps than eternal:

[green estuary]

Exception not the rule

[lunar spire]

If I can run it on a worse card than yours with better performance then it's 100% a user error issue

[pearl pumice]

No they just have good gunplay doom the dark ages has just fine gunplay nice graphics and nothing else realy going for it

[green estuary]

Lmao

[pearl pumice]

Doom eternal isn’t even my fav game lol

[lunar spire]

Not the point

[pearl pumice]

That demo is fun I can’t wait to buy it one day

[lunar spire]

I'm failing to see the poorly made claim too, there's been nothing said towards this

[pearl pumice]

Also doom 2016 has the fastest swaps In the series

[pearl pumice]

Forced rtx bad dragon and mech gameplay lots of bugs on launch

[lunar spire]

Lots of bugs? Homie I had one in my entire playthrough

[pearl pumice]

Over reliance on frame gen for gold gameplay

[pearl pumice]

Did you play on launch ?

[lunar spire]

Yes

[rotund rune]

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST DESIGN EVER

I HATE AGADDON SHOTS

[lunar spire]

I beat it on UN first week

[rotund rune]

YOU CAN'T FIGHT A BARON AND A MERE AGADON AT ONCE FUCCCCC

[pearl pumice]

Half my shots weren’t hitting with the dragon on launch which was great game design

[lunar spire]

Because of the shield the hell surges make

[pearl pumice]

I had to reset level twice due to soft locks

[lunar spire]

Homie you gotta be baiting

[pearl pumice]

I’m not

I had a bad experience with the game it wasn’t good

[lunar spire]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience

[pearl pumice]

Maybe it’s better now but 70
Is an ubsurd price to pay for a game

[wheat sigil]

tracking projectiles are so much fun🥰

[lunar spire]

But that does not constitute "game bad, poorly designed"

[pearl pumice]

Big open fields with little to do to get to next objective no options to disable basic things like double tap a number to swap what gun it is

Lack of a lot of stuff on launch realy

[lunar spire]

I'm starting to think we did not play the same game.

[rotund rune]

The problem is how they break the shield at once and can't be parried

[lunar spire]

What difficulty?

[pearl pumice]

No multiplayer still which is insane and always online denuvo the worst anti piracy ever made

[lunar spire]

No multiplayer????

[frail bloom]

Well obviously he hasen't played since launch so of course it's a different game to him

[rotund rune]

Didn't they buff the impaler headshot? It's taking me more to kill enemies with it such as the Hunter and Tyrant

[pearl pumice]

This

[frail bloom]

Ye by a lot

[rotund rune]

Which part?

[lunar spire]

Imma go back to the gym this isn't worth my time

[frail bloom]

You should try playing again

[lunar spire]

Low key not an insult just not getting anywhere

[pearl pumice]

Sure gift me the game 😄

[frail bloom]

Did you play on gamepass

[pearl pumice]

I sure as heck can’t afford it right now so unless I’m gifted it no

[pearl pumice]

Yea had a free trial

[frail bloom]

Ah I see

The game plays much better now minus the ssg nerfs

[pearl pumice]

Played coe33 it was peak I’m buying that asap

[pearl pumice]

Well I can’t afford it to try it again

Maybe jts a better experience but im not hopeful

[frail bloom]

Well your criticisms are kinds outdated then

Of gameplay

[sudden stump]

yelling into an empty void while everyone else is just starring lol

[pearl pumice]

You can’t fix a game post launch and expect it to fix the poor launch

[green estuary]

It wasn’t a poor launch lmao

[frail bloom]

Well ye it had a poor launch no denying but this is like one of the few AAA studios left who still support their games

[calm fulcrum]

anyone else played ripatorium and lost track of time on endless mode

[frail bloom]

Ripatorium rn, rebalanced campaign, master levels soon

[pearl pumice]

Fromsoft does it aswell Nintendo does it

[frail bloom]

Dlc

[rotund rune]

How does the campaign feel?

[hearty edge]

sex

[frail bloom]

Nintendo hates their fans have you seen the mario kart world changes

[pearl pumice]

Nintendo has been bad sense they announced 80 dollar games

Nintendo diserves to rot

[frail bloom]

Well according to devo it drags on a hit too long in some fights

[pearl harbor]

yo what up with the SSG? it absolute ass. Cant block while reloading. Is this intentional?

[rotund rune]

Did they nerf power gauntlet?

[green estuary]

No

[frail bloom]

But ID has been making their game better and better since launch

[green estuary]

No
It’s being fixed in a couple days

[frail bloom]

Only 3 months in and a customizable horde mode

Compared to 9 months in Eternal and we get SGN master level

[rotund rune]

HP buffs have been added to the Cacodemon, Mancubus, and Armored Mancubus.

Oh just those

[pearl pumice]

Doom eternal still is buggy when launching and it’s been out for 6 years now

[rotund rune]

It's the only thing changing tho?

[pearl pumice]

I’ve had many crashes with that game it’s still having issues and needs work

[pearl harbor]

damn. look like i’m avoiding the SSG for now. I cant use it with this change

[hearty edge]

i think it's supposed to be back to normal in monday

[pearl pumice]

I love eternal to death but you can’t say id is making there games better when they left eternal with booting up issues still lol

Doom 2016 you can just curupt your save file insanely easily which is even worse

[frail bloom]

I mean in terms of content and balances but every game has a lot of bugs

[split saddle]

I’m a bug

A skittering little bug

[hearty edge]

chat wat if we all stop arguing and kiss with the power of doom

[pearl pumice]

Not as bad as the last 3 doom games they need some major fixing still imo but at least it isn’t cyberpunk

[frail bloom]

Alr I'll get back later see y'all

[lunar spire]

On break between sets, has the shit storm ended?

[rotund rune]

The game shouldn't punish us for parrying right. Non parryable attacks shouldn't destroy the shield if we receive them at the same time we parry another attack

[uneven mortar]

That's not punishment for parrying, you got off without damage. It's punishment for poor positioning.

[rotund rune]

Not my fault if 3 enemies shot at once don't come with this BS

Also, some of those attacks follow us

[green estuary]

Aggadon skulls

Also revenant projectiles

Sometimes they bring me to doom eternal levels of rage

[uneven mortar]

I mean it kind of is, but that's just the give and take of a game with enemies in it. Sometimes you get in a bad situation, if it's not significantly damaging i don't see the issue

[hearty edge]

never really had that happen to me

[green estuary]

It’s why it’s important to choose your targets carefully
Especially in a giant arena with a bajillion heavies/super heavies lobbing stuff at you

[rotund rune]

It is significantly. Try fighting a baron, some tyrants and Agaddon at once to know something

[rotund rune]

Try the new mode then

[uneven mortar]

Try easy mode

[rotund rune]

His homing skulls are BS

[rotund rune]

???

[green estuary]

The center projectile is non homing

[hearty edge]

dafuq is easy mode

[rotund rune]

It doesn't make anything much better

[uneven mortar]

Sorry, "aspiring slayer"

[hearty edge]

there

wish they kept the name as i'm too young to die

[green estuary]

Well it actually does in the ripatorium
If you have some awareness and you stay facing him, his ranged attacks become much more manageable

Because you can just sidestep the center projectile

[uneven mortar]

Complaining about difficult or even unreactable patterns is fair if they risk killing you, but a shield break is a warning. It's about how you respond afterwards

[rotund rune]

That thing is rarely the problem

The problem is when you're parrying a baron and the skull comes

[green estuary]

Yeah that’s just tough lmao

Not much you can do there

[rotund rune]

How do I respond afterwards in this situation?

[uneven mortar]

You back off

[green estuary]

The attacks that blindside you when an enemy moves out of the way are the absolute worst
They’re how I take the majority of my damage in this game

[hearty edge]

actually i didnt know 2 of the skulls were homing but then again I haven't tried ripartorium and have only played the campaign once

[uneven mortar]

Unless you're talking about soldiers getting you during super heavy melees, which i think can be kind of unfair

[rotund rune]

I mean that's the problem

They designed the game in a way you can't mix Agaddon with many other enemies. This would only change if the Aggadon had parryable projectiles, then he'd be manageable

[rotund rune]

I back off against 2 Cybers and a baron?

[green estuary]

No you definitely can, I’ve done so
It’s just difficult

[uneven mortar]

Yes

[green estuary]

You hide behind cover away from the cybers and wait for the baron to come knocking

Although tbf 2 cyberdemons really don’t feel like they’re meant to be on the battlefield at the same time

Simply because they’re so incredibly oppressive from range

[uneven mortar]

If you're regularly having this problem where demons are swamping you, then something is wrong with the order you're killing them off

[rotund rune]

I've done it as well, it's just not optimal

[green estuary]

Well it’s the ripatorium
He’s just commenting how the agaddon’s projectiles make it hard to integrate him in an arena with other super heavies

[rotund rune]

I say game flaw

[uneven mortar]

How is it a game flaw if you're the one spawning in the demons

[green estuary]

Yeah this

The demons aren’t the problem, it’s just that when you use difficult enemies in crazy ways things are bound to get out of hand

[uneven mortar]

Me after spawning 20 barons: wow this is so unfair fuck these devs

[rotund rune]

But being honest this is the problem with riptorium. You really can't mix many enemies or put a few at once because they don't mix. Like a Cyberdemon and a Vagary (one punish for being close and the other punish by being far, but Vagary punishes u if u aren't focused on her)

[rotund rune]

Because the game allows this? The combinations are supposed to work. They did in Eternal

[sudden stump]

Walls are just a myth, I must stand directly in the center of a bullet hell

[uneven mortar]

This is fucking stupid I'm not gonna sugarcoat it

[green estuary]

Well you could also just make more normal waves with like 2 super heavies

[hearty edge]

no amount of cover will save you of cybey's spikes

[green estuary]

Obviously if you had the option to do the same tda ripatorium thing in eternal similar shenanigans would happen

[rotund rune]

It wouldn't be a challenge then

[uneven mortar]

It's ridiculous to spawn in waves that are never used in regular gameplay (for good reason) and then complain about it

[rotund rune]

I mean they kinda did in the Master Levels. We could manage 3 Tyrants fine for example

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-why-are-you-gay-pepe-julian-who-is-gay-you-are-gay-gif-15004128

[uneven mortar]

This is like turning on godmode and complaining the game is too easy

[green estuary]

Tyrants in eternal are little more than bullet sponges

[rotund rune]

This is literally my criticism. I think some characters should be able to be mixed. Just make some stuff parryable

[green estuary]

The cyberdemon in TDA feels infinitely more threatening/inpactful

[rotund rune]

Indeed

[green estuary]

The worst that tyrants could do in eternal was body block you so you can’t move around lmao

[uneven mortar]

That was a completely different game with fundamentally different combat design, you're putting a square peg in a round hole

[green estuary]

Maybe
I wouldn’t mind making a cyber’s skull attack parryable
Also the aggadon’s weird red wave projectile

[rotund rune]

Exactly this. The problem of Aggadon is not having melee and ranged attacks, the baron does too, it's how one of them can't be parryable

[green estuary]

But my favorite part about superheavies in this game is just how lethal they are
So I wouldn’t want to nerf their ranged options much

[sudden stump]

That seeking ground attack was pretty BS though, imo

[green estuary]

Like in TDA you see a cyber demon and you’re like “oh crap I gotta be careful”
Whereas in eternal you see a tyrant and just think “just another big boy I can pb rocket to death”

[uneven mortar]

The tyrant ground attack is pushing it a little imo, i want to be able to find cover

It makes gameplay less interesting not more

[rotund rune]

@uneven mortar help my creativity then

Which combinations can I make with the Aggadon (which aren't in the main game)?

[rotund rune]

The one that follows you?

[uneven mortar]

Yeah

[rotund rune]

Not a nerf, just give us defensive abilities

[uneven mortar]

That's one of the few attacks in TDA I don't like, feels unfair when the chaingun is already a good threat

[green estuary]

Nah he gives you oodles of time before the spikes become damaging
It just makes you pay attention

[uneven mortar]

Maybe true, I'll check on replay

[green estuary]

Well in some respects that is a nerf
Because it gives you the ability to fight them effectively at range, which is inherently less risky than 1v1ing them

[rotund rune]

Weren't you talking about eternal tyrants? You're talking about tda cybers with the ground attack which creates fires and spikes? The one we can parry?

[rotund rune]

Give me an idea bro

[green estuary]

Cyberdemons could have parryable skulls (leaders would still shoot 3 skulls but one would be parryable)
Aggadons’ mid-range unblockable red slice could be parryable

Vagaries are all right

Same with barons

[uneven mortar]

Agaddon Hunters are the marauder of TDA, they're not really built around gank fights. You're supposed to pick off the rabble then challenge them

[green estuary]

That leaves Komodos

[uneven mortar]

Komodo is the most fun superheavy tied with barons imo

[green estuary]

Komodos are honestly the marauders of TDA, not the aggadons
Because it feels like they hold all the cards, so to speak

[uneven mortar]

I disagree bc komodos can be taken on at ramge pretty easily

[neon gust]

But they close in that range really easily

[uneven mortar]

That's true

[rotund rune]

Gank fights?

[neon gust]

and honestly them doing what's essentially contact damage might be too much imho

[rotund rune]

Are you serious?

[uneven mortar]

A gank fight is when you fight two or more bosses at once

[uneven mortar]

Yeah, they have the most options for how to fight them imo

[rotund rune]

I disagree

You can just ignore the komodos and kill them from range

[rotund rune]

Indeed, but their fire balls are kinda punishing

[green estuary]

maybe
but that requires prior knowledge of where they spawn

[green estuary]

I just really like cyberdemons tbh

[uneven mortar]

No way, ranged combat against them was my strat all the first playthrough

[uneven mortar]

They were my least favourite because of soldiers killing me during the melee exchange

[green estuary]

well, prior knowledge or just luck lmao

[uneven mortar]

Great design tho

I'd love a giant mancubus super heavy that's a massive slow bullet sponge with turrets, like three times the normal size

You'd have to sorta dodge around cover and pick off enemies while it fires across long ranges

Maybe you'd need to break the arm cannons or something

[rotund rune]

I wish hitboxes weren't so awful in this game

Some barons discs hitting me when I'm under cover 😭

Shit did they make the impaler body shot so much more miserable?

I thought it was a slight nerf on this

[green estuary]

lemme check the files

[pine sky]

I used to rely on the impaler so much 😭

[rotund rune]

Same. It doesn't feel more powerful (not talking about the armor nerf or hk)

[green estuary]

from looking at the files, it really just seems like some enemies have gotten damage mitigation against impaler bodyshots, like battle knights, hell knights, and revenants
as far as I can tell, the damage number hasn't gone down

although I could be mistaken

[vernal star]

Gyro Aim?

[rotund rune]

I mean

reducing non-headshot damage vs. various demons

The problem is it seems the nerf was absurd on non HS shots

Some demons take forever to die if you don't hit HS regularly now

[green estuary]

idk man
I could be looking in the wrong place but the nerfs don't even seem that severe
like revenants now take 20% less damage from impaler shots

[rotund rune]

What about the others?

[green estuary]

honestly I'm looking between update 1 and update 2's files
and the only difference I can find to impaler body shot damage is revenants taking 10% less (not 20%, was mistaken) damage
probably looking in the wrong place though

some demons already had resistance to impaler shots (arachnotrons, cacos, etc) but they haven't been changed in update 2

[north spire]

The updated mech combat feels so much nicer

I love how they added options to make those sections harder and the addition of the electrified stomp, it makes me have to actually think about what I’m doing

In fact, I wouldn’t mind if there was a playable mech section in the Ripatorium

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210268585675587604/1403561720756174940/08091.mov?ex=68980037&is=6896aeb7&hm=03173d8c92e39fb254efa26af8841d5cb9532b51ca59ce2192b707ca852a70bc&

[calm fulcrum]

ive got a glitch where my weapon switch is basically instant

its like the animation is sped up by like 500%

[rotund rune]

Harder? How?

@green estuary was melee dmg nerfed anytime?

[north spire]

they added a slider that allows you to change the perfect dodge timing to be more strict

meaning you actually have to pay attention to when an attack is about to hit

[raven vine]

Okay so after playing around with the update my ultra hot take that’ll get me drawn and quartered is that the impaler change is a net buff

You should be hitting 90% headshots anyways, plus it just scales so beautifully with the empowered salvage shot

[obtuse oyster]

so I cant select my loadout?

anmd gotta change it every fucking time, peak

[rotund rune]

@uneven mortar 2 Cybers and a komodo is disgusting never cook again

[rotund rune]

Exactly what I've been saying

[obtuse oyster]

my ass is not suited for a lead combat designer

[real crater]

dude why did the ripatorium add 9 gb to the game size

[green estuary]

no they were just referring to the dodge window settings
you can make the dodge less forgiving if you want

[real crater]

i can already barely afford to have it on m xbox

[obtuse oyster]

google doom inflation to find out

[green estuary]

maybe it was a net buff to the impaler's projectiles
but it was a pretty significant nerf when it came to dreadmace drops from headshots, which was what made the impaler really busted

[solid nacelle]

Wow looks so fun

[obtuse oyster]

ripatorium needs more shit imo

[somber lance]

I am new

[real crater]

more??

[green estuary]

it's gonna get it
it says 1.0 for a reason

[real crater]

this update alone made tda bigger than eternal

and it doesnt even have multiplayer yet

[green estuary]

nah eternal has 2 dlcs (and 6 MLs)

[real crater]

oh yeah i forgot

[obtuse oyster]

presets for waves that ppl can share, my difficulty and loadout presets being saved so I dont have to change em every single fucking time

[green estuary]

tda still has a ways to go, but at this point in time in their respective development, I like where TDA is more

[somber lance]

Ngl I want doom to have multiplayer

[split gate]

The direction TDA is going towards I prefer more than Eternal

[rotund rune]

That's a different question not related to Atlan. I found melee weaker (power gauntlet)

[green estuary]

oh as in the slayer's melee
that's placebo I'm afraid
power gauntlet and flail haven't gotten any changes

on a different note though, I just made my first TDA mod
reverted the ssg nerfs from update 2 and buffed the flail's damage

now you no longer have to waste 2 flail swings to kill a fodder imp

[rotund rune]

That's great bro

[rotund rune]

Every enemy is feeling a lot more like a sponge to me now

[green estuary]

yeah for sure

[rotund rune]

U feel it too?

I just got the new skin

Accidentally

[green estuary]

armored mancs especially
even in non-leader form they're incredibly spongy now
although chainshot is still busted

[spare valve]

NG+ is coming to doom the dark ages

[green estuary]

really?

that's sick

[spare valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288902538036383774/1403570111830425631/DOOM_The_Dark_Ages_Screenshot_2025.08.09_-_02.45.14.88.png?ex=68980807&is=6896b687&hm=21e9ba9b8036821f13e8111adb4d3d33b636531fa34466b6a11350ed0d4c788e&

[green estuary]

man I cannot put into words how good it feels to have the old SSG back

you don't know what you have until you lose it I guess

[rotund rune]

Chainshot is easily the best weapon in the game now

[rotund rune]

I already appreciated it back then tbh

[green estuary]

yeah

[green estuary]

so did I, but I guess I took having a great ssg in a doom game for granted

[rotund rune]

Man what I hate in the game is the absurd amount of displacement

If you follow you're thrown away into the attack of some enemy

Or you just lose your positioning

Or when ur about to kill someone a Cyberdemon uses his spikes and they send u 30 feet away

[green estuary]

I like it in most scenarios
because you can generally control the circumstances of what enemy projectiles/attacks you are exposed to
but the one gripe I do have is being pushed back excessively on some parryable attacks

you can literally get pushed off the arena and get spawn-killed instantly through no fault of your own beyond standing close to a ledge

[frail bloom]

Uh what is this

Sp NG+????

Bruh is this official or am I tweaking

[spare valve]

sp is what like the campain levels are called

[frail bloom]

Ye I know what it's saying

Is this edited?

[spare valve]

and yeah I dont remember seeing a ng+ on the devmenu before

no you can check on your game with the console

[frail bloom]

Wait

So this is official?

[spare valve]

yeah dosent mean 100% its coming

[frail bloom]

They're planning on a NEW GAME PLUS?????

[spare valve]

looks like it

[frail bloom]

SMXKXKXKXKXKKXKXKDIDODD

8EIEJDMCIDMRJCICJ

[meager vortex]

how to do it?

[frail bloom]

RAAAAAAAAA

KAIXIXJEJDXI

[spare valve]

install the console unlocker mod

[frail bloom]

Alr I'll stop freaking out befor Dan boom boom man shoots me

Aw man I can't wake up Hato

[spare valve]

the command is ui_menu_devmaps then you have to reload the menu so just go into a game then go back and it will be there

[frail bloom]

I'lllll just ping him shortly

#the-dark-ages message
@harsh egret

Dawg it's literally thr hugest thing ever

[meager vortex]

ng+ they decided nice!

[spare valve]

you can also load into the levels

but I dont think they are any diffrent

they might be planning on making changes if your on ng+ but im not sure

[green estuary]

yeah this is just a name of an item on the dev menu

let's not all jump to conclusions

[spare valve]

its exciting tho