the-dark-ages

[hard thistle]

it's just a cool thing to have

idk why hugo is so hellbent on not adding it

[wintry nexus]

I wished for the swapping while blocking, but the blocking and cancelling the swap is cool

[frail bloom]

They would really have really rebalance the game if it's a feature, it should be more of a slider

If he wanted to made a differnet game, getting rid of hotswap was a good start

Plus, I'd rather melee switch

[hearty edge]

NOOOO MY GLORIOUS SSG

i guess now i will have to actually change weapons instead of doing everything with it

[hard thistle]

if there was a choice between melee switch and weapon hotswap, i'm going with hotswapping

[frail bloom]

In a slower paced game, why bother

[hasty stone]

so what time would the idsoftware stream on thursday with hugo/marty?

[frail bloom]

I'm glad he went with something different

What abt shooting, meeling and shielding? Those all build off eachother as swapping to the next action

[wintry nexus]

It gets boring if you just play with the ssg

[hard thistle]

like i said it's mainly for the cool factor. i don't see a whole lot of utility. dps with hotswapping will not be gamebreaking

[frail bloom]

Yes, being able to switch from impaler to ssg at breakneck speeds will absolutely break the game

[hearty edge]

well i never got bored

[wintry nexus]

Still, it would be much better if you switch things up a bit

[hearty edge]

yea ik

[obsidian shard]

I mean you can block while switching weapons, it's just not the full explanation

[frail bloom]

Why even weapon switch with no purposefully longe range precise weaponry?

[hearty edge]

longe

[frail bloom]

It's going for a closer combat system

[frail bloom]

Oui oui

[hard thistle]

ssg is the only weapon that will benefit from it. but why you'd wanna switch between impaler and ssg is beyond me. Ssg's utility is super close range. at point blank range, you're better off shooting ssg only, than switching to impaler which is more midrange/long range utility

[obsidian shard]

SSG, Chainshot, Impaler and RL, and CS are my mains

[frail bloom]

It works really well at close range too

The damage doesn't change

[green estuary]

because weapons aren't balanced around hotswapping

and because you have bunches of other actions you can perform to improve dps instead of just switching to another weapon

[frail bloom]

Again, this is hotswapping
Meaning the time it takes to switch is much faster, you will be doing more damage no matter what

[hard thistle]

a point blank ssg shot is the highest damaging, i know impaler is strong too. but at point blank range, ssg shot outclasses it. the only benefit i will give it is ammo saving

[hearty edge]

oh hell nah wdym chaingunners more of a threat they are already bad 4 me

[green estuary]

it's not even about switching speed
it's about the reload animations being canceled on switching weapons

[frail bloom]

Maybe but it objectively takes longer to rely on ssg only than to hotswap and reload cancel 2 heavy hitting weapons

[green estuary]

that's what makes quick switching in eternal possible

[frail bloom]

Ye that is what I mean

[wintry nexus]

The chainshot’s underrated in my opinion

[obsidian shard]

More of a white lie scenario going on lol

[green estuary]

it's not really
a lot of people think it's the best gun in the game

[wintry nexus]

Really?

Damn, I never really saw anyone say that

[green estuary]

chainshot and impaler yeah

[hard thistle]

I see what you mean. Essentially by cancelling the cooldown animation of the ssg with a weapon swap, regardless of which weapon you switch to, you are still gaining dps as a result of bypassing that cooldown animation

[frail bloom]

A better solution is to universally raise the weapon swap speed a smidgen to let people be able to play off each weapons effects,

like shredder pincushion detonated by cycler shock

[obsidian shard]

Chainshot, Impaler and SSG are all busted

[frail bloom]

Ye which is how eternal and 2016 work

[verbal void]

Which should I upgrade. Rocket launcher #2 or super shotgun #2

[hearty edge]

which one was ssg 2

[verbal void]

Increased dmg to armor

[hard thistle]

to be honest whatever gets added, i already enjoy the game more than eternal. so i'm fine either way

[frail bloom]

I want that melee swapping everyone keeps hyping up

All the pc mod players are going crazy over it

[green estuary]

kaibz mod already lets you do it

[verbal void]

Rocket launcher #2 = parry and next shot is charged

[green estuary]

it's convenient but not a game changer

[frail bloom]

I'm on console

[green estuary]

ah

[frail bloom]

I think that's its point

To avoid menu swapping

[verbal void]

Which should i upgrade SSG upg 2 or Rocket Launcher upg 2

[wintry nexus]

I finally heard someone say it

[green estuary]

both asap

[wintry nexus]

My goat

[obsidian shard]

Make the game smoother, is the point of next update

[verbal void]

Only got 3 rubies

[hearty edge]

i think ssg has mor damage still so if you can only choose one i'd go ssg

[frail bloom]

Gimme that POLISH

[verbal void]

Honestly for me combat>super

[green estuary]

ah
I'd personally upgrade ssg because the final upgrade is really good

[frail bloom]

Same

[green estuary]

I've heard people say this and I don't really understand it
how come?

[verbal void]

I couldn’t kill that much enemies with super. While i killed an entire army of hell knights with combat

[wintry nexus]

Do ppl use the ssg, impaler and rocket launcher combo or is it just me

[hearty edge]

triple shot igniting combat is really good but i like the ssg's brutal damage more

[verbal void]

I forgot the impaler existed

[hearty edge]

honestly i prefer the grenade launcher over the rocket launcher but that might just be me

[green estuary]

shield bash + ssg is TDA's version of pb rocket, change my mind

[verbal void]

Impaler CANNOT be that good💔😔🙏

[hearty edge]

yeah prob

[hearty edge]

no it is that good

[wintry nexus]

Use it more, it’s fucking amazing

[green estuary]

it is

[verbal void]

Whats pb rocket

[green estuary]

precision bolt quickswapped to rocket launcher

[hearty edge]

precision bolt+rocket launcher combo in eternal

[verbal void]

Oh

[obsidian shard]

Bosses become so much easier

[hearty edge]

biggest dps combo in the game i think

[verbal void]

Honestly beserker is so OP

[green estuary]

you basically just get unlimited dreadmace ammo

[verbal void]

literally spammed BFC and dreadmace

[wintry nexus]

I swear the melee sometimes doesn’t activate the slowmo sometimes

[obsidian shard]

Also The Dreadmace is the only Melee that Stuns enhanced ahzrak

[green estuary]

I hope they remove the unlimited bfc ammo from berserk

[hearty edge]

woa really

[verbal void]

no.

[obsidian shard]

Yup

[hearty edge]

honestly i just used the dreadmace bc it kills but i didnt know that

[green estuary]

yeah

[verbal void]

Wait it kills!!!

[obsidian shard]

I use Power Gauntlets

But use the Flail in my survival Fit

(Armor Eater)

[hearty edge]

honestly i only used the bfc in like 3 or 4 levels i didnt even know berserk gave infinite ammo

[verbal void]

Im planning to switch to power gauntlets when enhanced ahzrak kills serrat. Basically the slayer using his fists now

[obsidian shard]

I always do that, But end up Rerouting to the Dreadmace for the Stun

[verbal void]

I like a challenge.

[obsidian shard]

Then I return to Gauntlets when he is really low

[wintry nexus]

Dreadmace, My eldritch beloved

[verbal void]

Im currently on ch 20

[obsidian shard]

And SSG

[hearty edge]

you know i find it funny how the flail is like the game's melee mascot when i feel its the worst/the one i used the least

[verbal void]

Second shield rune is the best. Prove me wrong

[obsidian shard]

"All my Homies love the Dreadmace" "It is Infinitely Dense After all"

[hearty edge]

although i do like it has less of a windup than the dreadmace bc i sometimes missed the melee on the bossfights bc of it

[verbal void]

Fully Upgraded Chainshot my beloved

[wintry nexus]

When I first laid my eyes on the dreadmace I knew I would marry her

[green estuary]

I mean it depends
heaven splitter works better if you already have a bunch of dps from your main weapons and the dreadmace
but yeah daggers have ridiculous damage

[obsidian shard]

All are viable,
1 for Armor and short stuns
2 for damage
3 Eats bosses (OP at it)
4 Big stun of big area

[green estuary]

wait is autoturret good against bosses?

[hearty edge]

it can kill an armored mancubus with a single parry

[verbal void]

Fully Upgraded Daggers lit One Shot revenants

[wintry nexus]

I use the auto turret, it doesn’t do much

[obsidian shard]

Ohh fuck yes it is, Tried the other ones but Auto Turret gets them Down GOOD on the GS bar and Doesn't decent damage

[wintry nexus]

Idk, in my experience, it doesn’t do much

[hearty edge]

i only used the auto turret for a mission in a level lol

[wintry nexus]

Prob because I have the damage to demons lowered

[obsidian shard]

(GS = Glory strike

[green estuary]

huh
gotta try that

[verbal void]

Guys i just fully upgraded my health/killed the final health demonic essence

Leaders are so freaking weak lmao

[green estuary]

which demon was that again

[verbal void]

Leaders

[green estuary]

no which leader demon

[hearty edge]

which leader demon bruh

[verbal void]

HEALTH LEADER DEMON

[hearty edge]

man i finished level 20 yesterday and cant remember lol

but was it a mancubus or a pinky or what

[verbal void]

Revenant

[obsidian shard]

Heaven Splinter doesn't really stun them at all

Fissure Just gets Armor

Holy Swarm is just really ineffective

[verbal void]

Depends on the bosses for Holy Swarm

[obsidian shard]

Bosses

[hearty edge]

he's talking about bosses

oh yea that makes more sense

[green estuary]

most leader demons are tougher as support units than they are one-on-one
cyberdemon leaders aren't that bad in a 1v1 but as a support unit they will destroy your health bar if you're not careful

[hearty edge]

the actual bosses like ahzrak and the witch dont really take much damage

but the champions do

[meager vortex]

1day left

[obsidian shard]

Bosses = Auto Turret

Everyone else = Depends on play style

[wintry nexus]

HOLY I almost died on my ultra nightmare attempt

[verbal void]

The third champion literary got 2 shotted by my accelerators heat wave

[green estuary]

I gotta try autoturret then
enhanced azhrak is such a tough fight for me so making it easier would certainly be nice

especially since they mega-nerfed the ravager against him

somehow no slow-mo and lowest parry window do a lot in regards to making him harder

[wintry nexus]

Problem is that azhrak doesn’t do much ranged attacks for the auto turret to activate I’m pretty sure

[green estuary]

true

I'll take anything I can get though

[wintry nexus]

Fair enough

[meager vortex]

maybe update time is quakecon2025 event start

[green estuary]

I'm honestly considering just reverting parry window to default when I run pandaemonium
because I honestly don't see myself executing the ahzrak fight perfectly for three phases in a row on the lowest parry setting

[wintry nexus]

Azhrak is hard on ultranightmare I genuinely almost had to restart,

[obsidian shard]

Precisely only 2 attacks

[wintry nexus]

I’m scared to press the resume button

[obsidian shard]

And the Witch is the only one that can send stuff in their fight! But it eats through her

[meager vortex]

your ass is cracked by him lol

[wintry nexus]

I don’t wanna press the resume but, I’m almost dead

[obsidian shard]

"It's pronounced (Ah-z-rick)"

[green estuary]

alt f4

[meager vortex]

parry failed?

[wintry nexus]

YES

[meager vortex]

[green estuary]

his attack timings are so jank

[wintry nexus]

ikr?!

FUCK i don’t wanna restart from the beginning

[meager vortex]

your shield made by demons gut???

[wintry nexus]

YES

I WON

holy that was close

[meager vortex]

asscrack play style he using a spear

parry is easy

1day update left

[harsh egret]

2

[meager vortex]

my korea time zone august 6th

[harsh egret]

yh but either way its in like 48 hrs from now

[meager vortex]

but i will count down north america timezone

[harsh egret]

ur timezone will be the 8th when update drops, same as me

unless the qc stream is early idk when it is

[novel pine]

Should I consider my UN run lost if I start chapter 21 without the atlan? No matter how many times I return to the main menu and restart the chapter

[meager vortex]

un lost mean is defeated?

[green estuary]

if alt-f4 doesn't work, then yeah you're kinda toast

[novel pine]

😭

two weeks of progress completly wasted

[meager vortex]

man

[green estuary]

what led to you losing the atlan in the first place

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-okay-slide-gif-15172486

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[novel pine]

I've no idea, yesterday I completed chapter 20 and today I started chapter 21, no cutscene, stright to the bug

[green estuary]

rip

[novel pine]

been playing this chapter on the other slot with my nightmare run

to practice

[wintry nexus]

Why does the chain shot take so long to retract like after the ball comes back there’s a delay before I can switch to the another weapon

[solar cairn]

QuakeCon soon..

[frail bloom]

Gonna be lit

[harsh egret]

right, i havent been reading too much

did i miss anything on my list u think

idk if ppl mentioned smth or not

[frail bloom]

No not really

[solar cairn]

I saw from above they wrote about confirmed features, one minimised parrying window was not there, will it still be brought in another patch?

I was hoping that along with the shutdown, slowo will be added

[harsh egret]

i mentioned it as speculation.

its not confirmed for this patch, i checked my old notes again and i wrote down "maybe with dlc, could come earlier", thats what hugo said

[solar cairn]

((

I already hoped, because now the parrying window is very large even on the leftmost slider

[frail bloom]

Why do yall need it to be hard it especially on 150%

It just feels jank

Well he is fixing the bug where a perfect parry gets you damaged

Maybe it'll feel less jank idk

[green estuary]

BS

[harsh egret]

its fine for what the game is and it will be harder with master levels and so on

[solar cairn]

I like the very fast and complex gameplay

[harsh egret]

doesnt need to be sekiro but there will be a setting for that later if u rly want that.

right

[frail bloom]

I'm fine for those who want it

But it feels bad

[solar cairn]

I’m not asking to make a sekiro, just add another slider on the left, no one forces you to choose it

Taking into account the advanced difficulty settings, you can not be afraid to add more complex sliders, because it will not affect other players

[frail bloom]

Ye that I'm fine with

[solar cairn]

Almost waited, almost...

I won’t be able to sleep on the night from Wednesday to Thursday

[frail bloom]

Riiight

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-oh-ok-if-you-say-so-gif-3474500996908065231

[solar cairn]

Will there be a live broadcast on YouTube?

[frail bloom]

Probs

[harsh egret]

as per usual

[frail bloom]

That's why there are 2 streams

[meager vortex]

can't wait master level

eternal master level is too hard

[green estuary]

lower the difficulty

[meager vortex]

but it just hard

[uneven flame]

why not

[solar cairn]

Here! I’m not the only one!

A game at 150 speeds is a masterpiece

[split gate]

Speaking of Eternal being too hard, here’s an interesting idea:

Does anyone think that Eternal’s later master level difficulties were for the sake of difficulty? If so, how would you guys like the master levels to be like in TDA?

What I mean for the “sake of difficulty” was that it was only focused on making it difficult, but not making it also fun

There were a few moments I feel like this, I felt it with Taras Nabad’s master level. Once I completed it, I never played it again. However, I didn’t feel this when I played the Cultist Base Master Level, I kept on replaying that level multiple times out of enjoyment

[green estuary]

I don't really mind the difficulty in doom eternal's harder MLs like taras nabad, world spear, and mars core
I moreso have a problem with how they started turning every single nook and cranny of the level into tough/gimmicky encounters
I have no issue with these little mini-fights in between arenas, but when they start appearing literally every time you turn a corner (tough fights, too--not just easy ones that you can just blow past) it just turns the whole thing into a slog that I just want to finish and never pick up again

[frank turtle]

what day is the patch coming

[green estuary]

august 7

[frank turtle]

Nice

Hopefully it's the same day for consoles too

[split gate]

That’s how I felt too, majority of the combat arenas just feel more gimmicky. I don’t mind the occasional but I saw a lot of it in Eternal. I’d rather have just arenas focusing on pure combat with the most painful demon combinations

Cultist Base and Arc Level Complex were my favourite master levels

[green estuary]

arc complex was too easy
cultist base was pretty enjoyable though, and the sgn master level is honestly the best doom eternal content I've played

[split gate]

Loved SGN’s master level, especially the end, the escape felt more stressful

But yeah, something like that optional arena in Belly of the Beast was something I’d enjoyed

[dark thunder]

are we gonna see a dlc trailer at quakecon or is it way too early

[meager vortex]

maybe

[north spire]

question for ultra nightmare players

what upgrades should i prioritise first?

[meager vortex]

shield saw

blade master

https://x.com/i/status/1952867413982093791

QuakeCon (@QuakeCon)

WE'RE ALMOST READY! Are you? #QuakeCon

(Thanks for hosting our vid, Bouv!)

X · Aug 5, 2025, 11:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-evil-grin-gif-20903082

[graceful cliff]

[lunar spire]

Parrying and accelerator are your two best early game weapons

Well, items. Sorry I'm tired

[meager vortex]

[split gate]

Combat shotgun for armor, impaler for constant easy kills, SSG for max damage, Cycler (personal preference)

Shield would need to be upgraded asap

[merry jackal]

i maxed out melee shield super shotgun n chainshot

i just use these two guns

[solar cairn]

Do you feel it? It’s the smell of a patch

[mint wyvern]

yes

[native ember]

Hmmm maybe...Nah

[mystic patrol]

What time is the quakecon stream?

Sorry if you have already spoken about this, a bit hard to keep up

[solar cairn]

Last year I think I was at 3 o’clock

[mystic patrol]

What timezone pls?

[solar cairn]

I don’t know, look at the time zone for Texas

[midnight marsh]

https://quakecon.bethesda.net/en/schedule/
We kick off tomorrow at 2pm CT (9pm CEST)

[solar cairn]

YEEEAAHHH

And all the news for Doom games on Slayers Club sections represent or before?

[mystic patrol]

Thank you so much

[split gate]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-hot-busted-nut-gif-21810567

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dwight-steve-carell-raise-the-roof-gif-4228581

[raw drum]

guys what is the worst thing about doom the dark ages in your opinion

[fickle plover]

osts a little bland compared to the other games and fully upgraded weapons are too op but it’s my favorite doom game right now

gameplay is immaculate

[maiden onyx]

world barriers

Wdym I can’t climb on this rock

[raw drum]

for me its the demonic leaders

theyre just the same generic demon but tankier

you cant customize the upgrade you get after killing them

[solar cairn]

There is no particular need for quickswich, compared to eternal, it is not possible to increase the dps many times over

[north spire]

i just discovered something crazy and i dont think anyone else has talked about this yet

if you die on UN and then immediately quit to desktop during the death animation, you can restart the level you're on instead of restarting the entire campaign

[solar cairn]

Oops, I’ll finally get over this difficulty

[merry sapphire]

its a master level its supposed to challange you in every way. for a single level to fit all that encounters i think its pretty fun. it shouldnt be treated as a normal campaign level but a challange run on its own

[wheat sigil]

i feel like "gimmicky" has been turned into a rather vapid word or statement used to describe your discontent for something when you can't actually describe where your discontent arises
also many people seem to think that encounters should be made harder... without adding more demons a lot of the time? which i find somewhat strange

i don't really mind the encounter design for eternal's MLs for the most part, but there are some things they can definitively learn from them

arc/cultist base weren't even really MLs, taras nabad had a quite large discrepancy in difficulty between some arenas, anf the world spear was too drawn out

arc/cultist are explained by being made before the release of the game though

[vague sinew]

Unironically the glory kills. I say remove those entirely

[split gate]

Gimmicky in the sense that some people saw most of the arenas as like difficult minigames that stem away from usual combat encounters. Like the coin room or Archviles room in Taras Nabad. Not saying it’s a bad thing of course, love them, but I tend to wonder if they’re the reason why I haven’t played it again once I completed the Master Level

[raw drum]

im honestly glad the glory kills are still there

i was very dissapointed at the removal of glory kills but luckily theyre stil there you can get them by just r3ing them from the top

ive mastered doing it, i love seeing the kill animations

[vague sinew]

I can see your point, but with the game flow dark ages has they just ruin it in my opinion. The game’s pace abruptly stops

[wheat sigil]

the archvile room was excellent due to it actually making the player engage with the archvile's mechanics
otherwise it's always this rather boring strategy of placing archies in some weird corner of the map, and rhe player immediately moving there, killing it and not actually having the archie do anything
same goes for the coin room, but with the buff totem, also, buffed enemies are way more interesting and engaging compared to normal enemies, i'd like to see way more encounters with buffed enemies

gimmicky in the sense that they stray from what the player is used to? absolutely
gimmicky in any weird/bad way? no

[vague sinew]

They worked in eternal and 2016 because those were super fast paced games and we needed glory kills as breathers. Dark ages still is a fast game, but the flow of gameplay is so well honed that i do not need moments to stop the fight because everything flows togheter

[wheat sigil]

2016 and eternal also would've been better without GKs imo

dark ages removing GKs was so hype

can't really say what my biggest issue is with the dark ages, maybe the reallyy slow enemies though?

[vague sinew]

I could not survive eternal without glory kills. Eternal was way too damn fast. 2016 maybe i could survive without glory kills, but 2016 feels more like a quake game.

[wheat sigil]

i mean, the urdak level was almost entirely without glory kills because of the maykr drones, and i have never heard anyone complain about that

[vague sinew]

I think the dlcs ruined eternal for me, left me with a sour taste after completing them.

[wheat sigil]

kinda unfortunate how tag1 was so great and tag2 was... tag2

[merry sapphire]

dlcs made eternal even more fun for me

[stray hemlock]

Ay yall

[split gate]

I agree and have never said they’re not bad at all, I love them. Those rooms plus SGN’s and World Spear’s are great. I’m just into more of the encounters in ML Cultist Base. What I felt for the ML Taras Nabad in my experience was that the majority of the arenas were not ordinary encounters and it felt more of a slog for me and I didn’t enjoy it as I thought I would but it’s a very small nitpick

[stray hemlock]

So how goes life in the Dark Ages?

[vague sinew]

I can see that, but i realized in the DLCs that i didn’t really like the quick swapping mechanics or being forced to use the plasma rifle microwave beam to kill buff spirits. Too much stuff at some point.

[solar cairn]

Don’t you notice how the fight accelerates and in general it feels seamless?

[raw drum]

i mean i still enjoy it

[merry sapphire]

idk i found it fun

but yeah they should have added more ways to kill the spirit instead of locking you down to one single mod of a single weapon

[scenic lichen]

What time is stuff being shown tmrw at quakecon?

[harsh egret]

2pm ct is when the stream starts at least

[scenic lichen]

Ty ty

[meager vortex]

update time?

[harsh egret]

sup its me hugo i work at id software, update drops at 17:42 and 51 seconds CT

maybe u should tell me with ur trustworthy leaks broski

[meager vortex]

hugo? hugo martine?

[hearty edge]

hugo martini

[meager vortex]

holy moly!

[meager vortex]

im live south korea time zone right now hugo

[split gate]

I’m Hugo’s beard, Doom Slayer will fight Kratos at the end of the DLC

[green estuary]

When I say gimmicky, I’m usually talking about areas where the difficulty is created by things other than the actual enemies there—areas that have a certain gimmick
For example in the world spear, there are a lot of these—the no-jumping room, the arena where you were getting bombs dropped on your head, the purple goo, the cursed prowler + screecher fight, etc.
It isn’t like I’m opposed to difficulty, it’s just when you include so many of these gimmicky encounters (yes I said it) it just starts to become not really enjoyable for me personally

[uneven mortar]

Enemies die too fast especially once your weapons are upgraded

[uneven mortar]

Bro they should give doomguy a beard

[obsidian shard]

HELL NAH THE CAPE WAS TOO CLOSE TO MY DND CHARACTER, IF THE SLAYER GETS A BEARD THEN MY DND CHARACTER BASICALLY BECOMES A COPY!!!!

[split gate]

Opportunity is knocking indeed

[green estuary]

Absolutely not
Why hide the jawline

[split gate]

But beard is aura points

[uneven mortar]

How many hours until doom update/news?

[meager vortex]

we don't know

[uneven mortar]

Aww

I thought it might be at the start of QC

[meager vortex]

nope not yet

[solar cairn]

I update the game window every second in anticipation of the patch

[harsh egret]

Bruh

[split gate]

I respect the love for the game

[hearty edge]

i finished it in 1 week

[weary current]

quick question, what else can you call a pinky rider

[dreamy kiln]

Pinky jockey

[meager vortex]

i find the stupid hater

he want get a this game but he want make a negative review and want a refund (because his friend like this game)

he hate his friend he want blame the game wtf?!

[dawn tide]

Is there a way to fix low gpu usage? doing a benchmark on the game and its only using 40% gpu and cpu rn

[frail bloom]

Welp he's missing out lmao

Who cares when quakecon is so close

[solar cairn]

I’ve never encountered such a thing

[dawn tide]

after turning everything up to ultra nightmare its at like 60% ish gpu but still lol

its fine tho cause im getting plenty of fps ig

[green estuary]

do you just have a 5090 or something 😂

[dawn tide]

only a 4070 lmao nothing crazy

[green estuary]

huh that's odd

my 4060 is always right around 100%

[solar cairn]

It’s probably worth contacting support

[dawn tide]

thats why im slightly annoyed cause im running max graphics on 1440 and only getting 50-60%

what does ur cpu run at?

[green estuary]

my cpu isn't running very high iirc (less than 50% I think)
it's a 14900 though so that's probably why

[dawn tide]

without frame gen im getting like 80-100 frames so having that extra 40% gpu would be nice, but imma just run frame gen ig

[green estuary]

at 1440p that's really good tbh

I didn't know the difference between a laptop 4060 and desktop 4070 was so big

[dawn tide]

big time

[green estuary]

probably should have bit the bullet and paid the extra 150 usd for the 4070 laptop honestly

[dawn tide]

4060s arent really that good tbh which doesnt make sense on how, but it compares to like a 3060

[green estuary]

oh well

[dawn tide]

I almost did the same thing and went with a 4060 but after looking things up I saw how bad it was compared and bit the bullet

[solar cairn]

Maybe it’s a monitoring bug since the fps is high?

[dawn tide]

maybe idk

[green estuary]

yeah that might be it

because getting 80-100 native fps at 1440p doesn't sound like 60% performance from a 4070

especially in this game

[dawn tide]

my cpu is defo the reason why lol

[solar cairn]

Try to compare the indicators through nvidia monitoring, afterburner and something else

[dawn tide]

afterburner says im running 70-80%. ill take it

[solar cairn]

Try to increase the resolution, I play in 4k through nvidia settings, although the monitor has a resolution of 1440

https://youtu.be/c3voyiojWl4?si=shHH0iJxGUxvfnrJ

Included in Nvidia Control Panel, can be googled

[naive ibex]

Guys do you think it's normal for my GPU to display 60 fps only even when vsync is off

I have an RX 6600 by the way

And in TDA when I see the FPS it's 60 fps almost all the time

I play at high settings with intel xess on quality, resolution is 1680 X 1050 by the way

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[naive ibex]

Yeah Doom The Dark Ages

[tepid verge]

Is it true that there will be an update tomorrow?

[alpine pilot]

will that update include doom

[harsh egret]

perchance

[harsh egret]

yes

[tepid verge]

Do you know what it will have?

[harsh egret]

doom

[alpine pilot]

ive heard doom

[harsh egret]

Confirmed:

• Master levels
• Updates to the Atlan and Dragon to add more depth and replayability
• Act 2/3 encounter updates
• Chain-gunners will become more of a threat
• Cancelling weapon swap with shield block
• Singletap/doubletap to select specific weapons in each class
• Universal slight increase in weapon swap
• Removed delay on shield-throw to make it feel a lot more snappy and responsive
• Various polish/fixes to the shield
• Balance changes to the Impaler and SSG
• Slow-mo slider
• Enhancements to the pinky bite attack
• Increased size for the Komodo ground pound attack

Speculation:

• Lower parry window setting (not confirmed for this update specifically but could come now, or with a different future update)
• Making the 2 parry-able projectiles for the Revenant be random (Hugo said that's how it should be, but nothing is confirmed for now)
• Horde mode (or something similar, this was confirmed by Hugo through a Reddit comment but not confirmed for this exact update yet)

wall of text jumpscare, np

could be also more than that

but thats what we know of so far

[tepid verge]

Master levels

[hard thistle]

what time tomorrow will they annouce doom the dark ages updates at quakecon?

[alpine pilot]

bro just give me demons to rip and tear through

[tepid verge]

I haven’t played since late May

I will need to get back to the doom grind

[harsh egret]

its pinned in #quakecon-2025

think it was like 8pm bst

[warm ibex]

Do keep in mind that master levels aren't confirmed for tomorrow, just confirmed to be in development

[harsh egret]

i would bet my house on it

[warm ibex]

your house.wad?

[harsh egret]

but technically u would be right :d

lol, yes

[warm ibex]

lol

[short mountain]

[harsh egret]

lmfao such a cursed emote

i better be right or tmr im just the biggest spreader of lies

[warm ibex]

The entire world is counting on you, Hato

don't let us down

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-scared-sweating-man-worried-worry-gif-14536684

[frail bloom]

I mean it's been months I can totally see two master levels right there

[harsh egret]

my prediction's been 3 master levels + horde mode

but im not too confident in that

[frail bloom]

Me neither

[warm ibex]

We'll find out soon enough lol

[frail bloom]

Ye literally a day away

[frail bloom]

(What is bst)

Enlighten me

[harsh egret]

british summer time

[frail bloom]

Oh ok so it's at 6 pm for me as usual

Alr sweet

I'm also excited for the stream too since Hugo said he's gonna drop a lot of info

Prob stuff abt other modes they're working on and other master levels

And little tiddy winks abt dlc

[harsh egret]

he better do it on the main stream and not on his own stream, kinda doesnt make too much sense imo

also hoping for that since his stream is at like 5 am my time i think?

[frail bloom]

Well ye but the dlc tid bits are for normal streams

Like concept art

[harsh egret]

worse case scenario i get 5 redbulls for tmr and delay my fixed sleep schedule even more 👍

[frail bloom]

We can let it slide this night

I jean next night

[harsh egret]

ill see how i feel tmr xd

[frail bloom]

Mean*

[harsh egret]

its also cosmic realm time... might have to do it

[solid nacelle]

I thought that was gonna be a one and done

[frail bloom]

The dlc

He was talking abt the dlc in general

[harsh egret]

he said he will see what else they can show on their streams each week

[solid nacelle]

I see

[frail bloom]

Ye it's either dlc or other content

[spare panther]

Whens the next stream again? Is it today or tomorrow?

[frail bloom]

Morrow

[warm ibex]

Tomorrow at around 10pm EST

[spare panther]

Thanks

[cedar dagger]

@merry jackal made it to chapter 10

[obsidian shard]

Or 3pm PST

[warm ibex]

piss shit time?

also where is it 3pm while it's 10pm est?

is that some UK time zone shit

[obsidian shard]

Canada

West coast

Where I live

[warm ibex]

oh interesting!

[green estuary]

isn't 10pm EST equivalent to 7pm PST?

[obsidian shard]

Wait Ya

[lunar spire]

10 pm estrogen?

[obsidian shard]

The Hugo Streams start at 3pm

[warm ibex]

not this week!

[lunar spire]

[obsidian shard]

Must've thinking of that

[lunar spire]

This is so sad

[frail bloom]

What happened

[warm ibex]

nothin happened

[lunar spire]

Nothin

Just being the local doofus

[frail bloom]

Huh alr

[lunar spire]

The usual

[obsidian shard]

So what time is the update

[warm ibex]

they haven't said yet as far as I'm aware

the welcome to QC stream has been sometime between 2pm - 4pm EST the past two years and there's a gap in the activities schedule around that time this year

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[lucid yew]

yooo

[fickle plover]

when does the update drop tomorrow yall

[solar cairn]

We don’t know, but probably after the presentation or during

[hollow wagon]

Hey y'all I'm having a problem with trying to get Dark ages to run as a Gpu driver keeps popping up every time I try loading it. Something about a crash encountered during vulkan initialization validation

[hearty edge]

chat how do you make the face the og one

[dark thunder]

can we get a moment in doom like how kratos beats zeus at the end

[hearty edge]

how did he baet him

[green estuary]

it's in the UI section of the game settings under HUD

[hollow wagon]

pls

[frail bloom]

Horde I saw the poll I choose the Archvile

If I could choose two it's the Archvile with the Pain elemental

[green estuary]

idk man
I got the driver update message and the game worked fine after I updated my drivers

[meager vortex]

america time is now august 6th?

[hollow wagon]

Was it vulkan related?

[green estuary]

nah it was just the game telling me to update my nvidia drivers

[meager vortex]

https://x.com/i/status/1953200325348786680

QuakeCon (@QuakeCon)

The #QuakeCon volunteers bring the show to life! We asked them what the event means to them.

X · Aug 6, 2025, 9:03 PM

[serene cloud]

I mean the game is good but now I prefer doom eternal i think its more fun to re play

[warm ibex]

If I could choose one I'd pick the classic doom cover art demon

the winged one specifically

[lucid yew]

i agree i love dark ages but idk i find myself playing it a bit less than i did with eternal

maybe because its a bit slower and its not as fast paced as the other one was so it feels less engaging?

i also feel like doom eternal launched with more content than this one did imo

[waxen maple]

I would say there’s a little less in it as far as replay able content that really feels different.

[lucid yew]

yeah exactly i agree doom eternal launched with multiplayer and also i feel had way more levels

[serene cloud]

Yeah and its also because I play on controller so without double jumping or dash I find the movement not as good as in eternal I can´t do quick turns

[lucid yew]

yeah i am so used to the dash from eternal i cant getused to not having it yk

hopefully they do make an endless mode which i think would be really good along with master levels or whatever will come next its prob gonna be a while just hope its worth the wait

[serene cloud]

yeah well you can run in dark ages

[lucid yew]

i do like the gameplay though the shield is so fun to use and the mech sections are awesome same with the dragons

[lucid yew]

very true xdd which imo is better than dash xd

[serene cloud]

other thing I hate its the doom slayer hides the shield when he swaps weapons its not cool

[green estuary]

count again lmao

[lucid yew]

do we get a skin for beating ultra nightmare like in eternal or nah?

[green estuary]

yes

[faint mural]

Well, I recently played Doom: The Dark Ages and I couldn't play anything else for more than 2 weeks. As soon as it came out, I finished it 100%. I've accumulated more than 6 days of play in a row.

[lucid yew]

noice what is it? is it gold or?

[lucid yew]

really was it that less?

[green estuary]

TDA has 22 levels, eternal has 13

[lucid yew]

i swear the levels felt way more maybe its cause they were longer leading me to believe they had more

[serene cloud]

yea but I like the frenetic of doom eternal i mean grenade, flamethrower, ice bomb punch dash rocket super shotgun shoot bum bam

[lucid yew]

ooof damn no wonder

[serene cloud]

in dark ages if you want to play frenetic you have to use the same weapons all the time

[serene cloud]

I did that when it came out lol

[green estuary]

of course
wouldn't be a UN skin if it wasn't gold

[lucid yew]

yeah you have a lotta combos you do as well in dark ages but they went from fighter jet to tank and from fps to fighting game which i do like the switch up for sur

[green estuary]

also there's a couple pretty sick skins you get for beating the main campaign and pandaemonium

[lucid yew]

cant wait to see em!

im still on my first play through and ima go back and get all the secrets etc of course

[serene cloud]

I need to beat it at pandemonium

[faint mural]

Yes, it came out a while ago, I know.

[serene cloud]

Lol I 100% the game the first wake it came out

[frail bloom]

That is a cool pick but wouldn't that serve as fodder

[green estuary]

it's about to get quite tricky by tomorrow

[serene cloud]

really? why?

[lucid yew]

I think also people arent playing too much because of the mandatory ray tracing and since most people have not so good computers they dont bother buying or playing it

[green estuary]

the game right now is significantly harder than on launch (less death protection, harder early game encounters), and tomorrow's gonna buff the late-game encounters as well

[lucid yew]

which does suck but i got a new one a week ago and its been amazing so far for me

[serene cloud]

Oh then im going to play again

I feel it like a lot easier than eternar or doom 2016

[frail bloom]

The latter is just plain false but Hugo did confirm that tda will get the same value proposition as eternal

[grim cloud]

That would be great.

[green estuary]

I'd highly recommend you turn the parry window down
that by itself makes the game far more difficult/rewarding

[frail bloom]

So if we're all patient enough we're gonna have a bunch if master levels, new game modes, a meaty dlc

And a lot of sliders to mess around with aswell

[green estuary]

even without tweaking anything other than the parry window, I found it significantly harder than 2016 and even a bit tougher than eternal

default parry settings are far too forgiving

[lucid yew]

thats good more content

[warm ibex]

I'd say lower tier heavy

[serene cloud]

harder than 2016? Idk what game did you play lol

[frail bloom]

I imagine them as a gargoyle esque creature

[green estuary]

the first 3-4 levels of 2016 are tough as balls but everything after that becomes quite easy
by the time the mid to endgame rolls around you literally just bfg/siege mode everything without even moving

[frail bloom]

But they are buff, like the classic imp

But maaaan a classic archvile

Now that's the stuff

I would like a classic version since the acolyte is sorta the cosmic version of the summoner

But like, weak

So weak that you can shield throw stunlock it

[vernal star]

Gyro Aim?

[green estuary]

if you get the drop on acolytes then they're a complete non-issue

[frail bloom]

They're just dissapointing

[green estuary]

they're actually the tankiest non-armored heavy in terms of HP
but they're really non-threatening at close range which makes shield bash + ssg + shield saw kinda trivialize them

[frail bloom]

I can see how they can get dangerous but they don't reach Archvile status

[green estuary]

yeah not even close
archviles were significantly tankier and more dangerous

[lucid yew]

i do like how every time you kill a leader the will look at the slayer and be like HEY THATS MY HEART

[green estuary]

"oh shit, I probably need that"

[frail bloom]

My favorite is the Agaddon's

[frank turtle]

so hyped

[fleet spruce]

Fighting game is a really long stretch for a comparison here

[green estuary]

fr

[fleet spruce]

Fighting game is a really long stretch for a comparison here

[sour crater]

who genuinely uses the pulverizer

[green estuary]

idk it feels like the least viable gun in the game
not great against single targets unless they're M E G A W I D E
and against fodder you can just shield charge/shield throw and that consumes no ammo

the only thing it really gives you is the speed boost
which might be really useful but I'm not really good enough to see it

[sour crater]

so like you use it against barons?

[green estuary]

nah barons aren't wide enough to get hit by all the pulverizer's projectiles even when he's within melee distance
the ravager or one of the plasma guns is much better against them

[sour crater]

in that case which enemies are the best for the pulverizer

[green estuary]

uhhhh
if you can manage to stay to the side of a pinky rider the pulverizer absolutely shreds them
but beyond that I really don't know
maybe if you have a whole bunch of imp stalkers in front of you

[solid nacelle]

Are we all forgetting the mancubus here

[sour crater]

the super shotgun exists for a reason

[green estuary]

yeah pretty much any weapon shreds the mancubus and is better for everything else
ssg, cycler, accelerator, impaler, shredder

[split gate]

Do you mean campaign levels? TDA has more levels than Eternal 👀

[waxen maple]

I was going to say this lol

I agree though. Pulverizer is kinda useless compared to everything else.

Shield throw takes away its best use.

[dark thunder]

today

is the last day before a new era of doom the dark ages begins

let us not forget the beginning, but look forward towards the future of this franchise. the next update and tomorrow will be an even better step for DOOM

[raw drum]

htere are times i just switch to use it for the cool factor then i switch back to the chainshot after it does jack shit

give me a reasno to use it, the weapon is so badass but i have no reason to switch to it

[lucid yew]

not really there is combos just like a fighting game and im pretty sure that hugo martin even said himself that comparison

[solar cairn]

I dreamed of watching a broadcast on Twitch with a patch..

[short mountain]

horde of fodder

[fleet spruce]

I don't remember him saying that but closest to fighting game combos is Eternal if we go with that logic (i have over 2k hours in BlazBlue and Guilty Gear games in total)

[lucid yew]

ig so lol i mean thats what people have been comparing it too

so and eternal is fighting as well i think both are but dark ages more since you use fists and and the mace etc

but whateves think what you will lol

[quick lichen]

I really like the design of the Acolyte and the Cacodemon.

[wintry nexus]

I’m happy doom tda focused more on the campaign than the multiplayer, honestly I was surprised so many people were disappointed

Helps them not waste resources on other projects that may flop

[wintry nexus]

My fav is the baron

[quick lichen]

Yes, it's very cool

[thin zinc]

patch today supposedly? it's hugo martin streams from quakecon day right?

[wintry nexus]

Pretty sure it will be tomorrow

[thin zinc]

i mean thursday. im on the east coast so thursday is technically today

[wintry nexus]

Mb worded it horribly

[thin zinc]

though i aint been to bed yet!

[meager vortex]

https://x.com/i/status/1953270065861705901

QuakeCon (@QuakeCon)

There is only one way to kick off #QuakeCon... LineCon!

X · Aug 7, 2025, 1:40 AM

[wintry nexus]

Dead chat 0/10 discord server 😡👎

[dreamy kiln]

It's 3 am in the morning, wait for other people to wake up

[wintry nexus]

I’m joking brochachino ✌️✌️

[dreamy kiln]

Alr

[meager vortex]

maybe after 5hours more quakecon2025 start

and update start too

[dreamy kiln]

Yes

[sour crater]

I finally beat the one encounter in belly of the beast

The one for a stupid toy

[maiden onyx]

lol I accidentally finished that encounter on the teleport pad, I was pissed coz after sentinel command station I’m always paranoid they’re gonna close off areas once you’re out of them.

[meager vortex]

3hours left

quakecon2025 start

[merry sapphire]

wait its in 3 hours?

around the same time as the nintendo indie world direct?

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[harsh egret]

pretty sure thats just quakecon itself

not the stream and stuff

[merry sapphire]

huh

how is nintendo related to quakecon

[harsh egret]

when did i say that

[merry sapphire]

im confused by what you mean

[harsh egret]

someone said qc starts in 3 hrs

[merry sapphire]

like the event itself you mean?

[harsh egret]

thats not the quakecon stream

[merry sapphire]

huh

wait so no quakecon stream when it starts??

[harsh egret]

no, im pretty sure it was never just the first thing that happens

byoc open is in 3 hrs

and then kick off moment starts at 2pm ct

aka in less than 8 hrs

[meager vortex]

well.....that mean is 8hour waiting or sleeping?

[split gate]

If we get TDA update as well as Silksong date, I will nut

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/nut-gif-19208451

[unkempt dragon]

umm no.

[split gate]

Metaphorically speaking

[meager vortex]

only time help us

https://tenor.com/view/tick-tock-clock-fast-gif-2014148180424451143

[hard thistle]

the only thing doom dark ages related on quakecon schedule is "slayer's club live". will they just announce it there?

[meager vortex]

i don't know

maybe right or not

only know developers team

i want a test update too but im waiting

[harsh egret]

no

also one of them is hugo weekly stream

[split gate]

Interesting maybe it’s a special stream

[hard thistle]

so what section of the schedule will it be announced?

[harsh egret]

idk, all i know is the kickoff is 2pm ct

says on the schedule

so i assume stuff will be shown there

[hard thistle]

"BYOC Kick Off Moment with Marty & id Software" - this?? What is BYOC ?

[meager vortex]

bring your own computer

[harsh egret]

^

[meager vortex]

are you sure? or just your think?

kick off marty& id software 2pm ct hmmm.......

[unreal terrace]

where's the stream gonna be?

[dreamy kiln]

Yt and twitch, I think it starts at 5 or 6 pm est

[unreal terrace]

probably on the bethesda channel then huh

[dreamy kiln]

Yeah

[mint wyvern]

ok

[north spire]

gotta say, this combat shotgun might be my favourite of the modern doom combat shotguns

[wheat sigil]

yeah it's super good

especially whith the burning fodder upgrade

[north spire]

and it actually has good range

and decent damage output with the tripple burst fire

i still prefer the SSG for its insane damage at close range, but I love the fact that the Combat Shotgun now has a significant use as a survival tool

[hearty edge]

update wen

[hearty edge]

yea in 2016 it gets basically instantly outclassed after rocket launcher and ssg

sticky bomb combos are good but kinda hard to pull off at least for me

this one is just really good

with the triple shot you instantly burn demons and get armor

[hearty edge]

i actually really liked that one

but i used up a life sigil

[alpine pilot]

is doom the dark ages out yet

[uneven mortar]

How long until stream?

[hearty edge]

no it comes out in may 15

[solid nacelle]

Oh man that's a long time I don't think I can wait

[north spire]

and it remains significantly useful throughout the whole game cause of the way this game centres around choosing your gun of choice rather than eternal's resource management

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/791807297432715274/1402920329764012094/A2CDE41.MP4?ex=6895aadf&is=6894595f&hm=4e25fdd90a0c794c43128c4d2d383fdf8bcd0cee2aca013612ae568b234c125b&

i love pairing it with the ground fissure to maximise my armour and deal significant damage at the same time

[harsh egret]

@frail bloom from what i understood from the IGN speedrun vid, they have fixed the weapon wheel bug that lets u go through any wall while u have it up?

likely then coming with todays update

[solar cairn]

A few hours..

[obsidian shard]

Yippie

[hard thistle]

this tweet says the 2pm stuff is just a short welcome stream, so i'm doubtful they make the announcement there - #quakecon-2025 message

[harsh egret]

yeah but they arent gonna do it at 5 am for europe

last time they did this, they had it at a normal time for me

[hard thistle]

Did they revealed the doom updates in the welcome stream last year quakecon?

[harsh egret]

just revealed stuff in general, u can look up the day 1 stream to see

[hard thistle]

just hoping they announce and release it before 8pm ct

[frail bloom]

I mean I never knew that existed but sweet

[hard thistle]

me neither. What i like about DDA over Eternal, is that(I'm a console player) you can play DDA without the weapon wheel, because keymapping is more flexible since you have less actions. so you can map every weapon to a button and avoid the weapon wheel completely without missing any functionality

[hard thistle]

In doom eternal i could only map two weapons. the other keys had a useful function i couldn't give up

[frail bloom]

Ye less inputs to use so you can map more weapons

[harsh egret]

ye u can use it to bypass literally anything

doors to secrets, the door on siege 1 at the end, alot of stuff

[obsidian shard]

the Seige Part 1 grate

skips the whole level
Figured out how to do that recently

[harsh egret]

lol yep

[green estuary]

Speedrunners seething

[merry jackal]

Guys had the new patch been applied or not

[solid nacelle]

Not yet

[frail bloom]

Gonna happen today that's all ya need to know

Omg Lavaniel

Hello

[harsh egret]

lavaniel ive seen ur vids yo!

[supple yoke]

Not sure what chat this belongs in but if you didnt get the yellow keyboard at QCon there is in fact a 3 pack with it for sale separate. It is 65 dollars. I cant post a photo in this chat but it will be available without having to buy the graphics card

[harsh egret]

great vids

[obsidian shard]

thanks, i posted it on X, but couldnt get price, so thank you

[cursive grotto]

Do we know when the update is dropping?

[supple yoke]

Gonna guess tonight or tomorrow with the slayers club stuff

[frail bloom]

No.

[obsidian shard]

today

[frail bloom]

The update is dropping when the update is dropping

[supple yoke]

I tagged you in the merch showcase if you want photos for your post

[obsidian shard]

thank you

[uneven mortar]

Going to sleep, do you guys think the update will be out when i wake up

[split gate]

probably, same for me

[obsidian shard]

most likely

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[obsidian shard]

im thinkin 12 pm PST (Same time as Live Stream + They release a trailer for the Update)

[frail bloom]

Is someone gonna post the livestream in the server

Cuz discord is all I can use at the moment

[split gate]

If you think about it, sleeping is just time travelling to the future, so if you want to see the update sooner, just sleep

[warm ibex]

Less than three hours until the welcome stream, what're we hoping to see today

[split gate]

Horde Mode (I’m coping)

[warm ibex]

sometimes dreams come true lol

most of the time they don't

[meager vortex]

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/zs-good-morning-gif-4154880375153228977

demons meet horde mode but doom slayer

[obsidian shard]

Hope Mode

[harsh egret]

all the campaign updates + at least 2 master levels + horde mode + heretic/hexen remasters
if we get all this, holy shit

[uneven mortar]

I hope they separate ammo and health pickup sliders

[obsidian shard]

YES

i want Infinite Ammo, but limited health PLEASE

[warm ibex]

5 health, 500 ammo

[obsidian shard]

(Due to pick ups, not actually infinite Ammo, resources still finite)

[split gate]

Always lower your expectations and you’ll never be disappointed

[harsh egret]

Yeah im not expecting that but thats my wishlist

[hearty edge]

i wanna see a master level

[frail bloom]

@warm ibex I can't answer it on youtube but the Vagary fills the Masterminds role as a really big spider demon, sure it's not hitscan but the cyberdemon fills that role aswell

[solar cairn]

Is the countdown already underway?

[hearty edge]

also pretty darn easy to kill with the right weapon

[green estuary]

I was actually gonna say the opposite
give me a little less ammo but let me recover more health in combat so I can afford to crank the damage up a little

[solar cairn]

Doom:Master lvl Ages

[warm ibex]

I very firmly disagree!

[alpine pilot]

will the doom the dark ages update add demons to the game

[green estuary]

no

[warm ibex]

Thank you katsu

[solar cairn]

We are waiting for Hugo in a Doomguy costume

[hard thistle]

Horde, will they announce the new updates in the welcome stream?

[warm ibex]

You'll have to wait and see!

less than two hours until the stream starts

[frail bloom]

What do you suggest for the spiderdemon then? It can't be too big, unless it's a boss

[warm ibex]

I dunno

I mean seriously, it's not like the Mastermind has a dedicated role in modern Doom. They gave the Vagary its own role to fill, they'd give the Mastermind one as well

[merry jackal]

Oh alr

Do we know what's going to happen in the update tho

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/grug-in-a-minute-hold-on-the-croods-impatient-gif-16589720695589410972

[merry jackal]

Oh

[green estuary]

just wait lmao

[harsh egret]

Some of these questions lol

[merry jackal]

so they r gonna announce it on streak

[warm ibex]

dude

[merry jackal]

N then apply it

[harsh egret]

Bruh

[merry jackal]

im just asking i have no clue

[warm ibex]

neither do we lol

[frail bloom]

I see what you mean, but the Vagary is already a really large demon, it's spider like, shoots projectiles and hazards, even 2016's mastermind wasn't hitscan. If it were to be in the game, it has to be the largest enemy ai, which means it takes up a lot of arena space. Then it has to be the 4th hitscan enemy. I would love it don't get me wrong but it needs some good defense

[harsh egret]

Literally just said wait and see

[merry jackal]

Alr I'll see then

[harsh egret]

Watch the stream, and see what happens

[warm ibex]

Why does it have to be the 4th hitscan enemy?

Look at the cacodemon, returning enemies don't have to be anything lol

[frail bloom]

Well you have the chaingunner, cyber and arachnotron

They are hitscan

[warm ibex]

what's your point?

[frail bloom]

Well it doesn't have to, but then it's closer to just being a bigger vagary

[warm ibex]

says who?

[frail bloom]

Well what projectiles would it shoot?

Not hitscan, we checked that out

[warm ibex]

So launching parryable projectiles is what makes the Vagary a Vagary?

[frail bloom]

No I'm not talking abt classic identity, what would seperate it from the vagary?

[warm ibex]

I do feel as if you're jumping through quite a lot of hoops to drag the Mastermind into being a Vagary clone

[uneven mortar]

Wasn't there a hell knight with a little flying shuttle instead of legs in doom 3? They should bring that back

[warm ibex]

I like that lol

[frail bloom]

But I like the discussion

[warm ibex]

I don't, I find it frustrating

[dreamy kiln]

How would the mastermind be a vagary clone? Thats what I find confusing

[warm ibex]

It wouldn't be, and that's what I'm saying

[uneven mortar]

It was called the Helltime Hunter! A melee pressure flying enemy would be cool

[frail bloom]

I mean they're good questions to ask

[warm ibex]

Oh that's sick! I remember those guys, would be cool to see more RoE demons ngl

[frail bloom]

What mechanics would they have

It's what the people do at ID

They don't just simply say the name of the demon and it appears

[dreamy kiln]

If anything vagary is either a clone to the mastermind, a nod, or just a separate thing altogether

[frail bloom]

They do hard work trying to differentiate it and fit it in with the combat loop

[uneven mortar]

Tbh i think thr mastermind has had enough time in the sun for now, I'd like to see a giant mancubus boss personally

[warm ibex]

Yeah but I'm not a combat designer at id and neither are you. You mentioned that the Vagary fills the Mastermind's role, but the Mastermind doesn't actually have a role in modern Doom

[dreamy kiln]

That would be cool

[solemn mauve]

Heh imagine if it appears in the dlc lol

[uneven mortar]

lol

[frail bloom]

Again, not saying it's impossible but it has to offer something unique, we can try spitting out some ideas

Maybe throwing rocks that explode on impact and launch a bunch of flaming debris

That has an aoe

[uneven mortar]

I hope we see a flying super heavy in the DLC!!

[frail bloom]

Too much?

[warm ibex]

Pain Elemental!!!

[frail bloom]

Ye he needs to be in there

Huge lack of flying enemies

[uneven mortar]

I am honestly so miffed that we didn't get a big flying target that runs you through all the other demons in arena fights

[dreamy kiln]

I don't think vagary is supposed to fill any role tbh, I think it was just a new demon they added in doom 3 and brought back in tda

[harsh egret]

I wanna see that cosmic realm mancubus from the concept arts, he was on a carrier or smth

[uneven mortar]

Cyberdemons should have had a flying "knight" variant imo

[warm ibex]

doom hunter type shit

[frail bloom]

He would be this game's doom hunter

[harsh egret]

Yup

[solar cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[frail bloom]

Oh lmao

[dreamy kiln]

Probably a maledict like enemy or something

[frail bloom]

What would the archvile do

[uneven mortar]

Tbh it's so dumb that the cacodemon has purple projectiles. What's that even about

[solemn mauve]

I mean it's clear that there are going to be demonic leaders like Azhrak for Dark ages Future content, One of them could reveal interesting demons for sure

[solar cairn]

Anything but not a marader

[harsh egret]

Huge lack of flying enemies cuz its stand and fight and not meathook and fly

[uneven mortar]

Archvile has no purpose in TDA because of all the spawner enemies, if we see him I want a giant boss archvile that spawns massive waves

[frail bloom]

I guess a blockable but not parryable powerful hitscan, can't shield bash it, can't shield throw it, revives demon pieces into ghost demons(like davoth tag 2), battlemode type projectiles

[warm ibex]

I'm very curious about the design process behind the Cacodemon's purple attack. It's a brief little dodge mini game that you can just turn around and walk away from lol

[harsh egret]

The caco is a lil awkward to fight sometimes

[frail bloom]

Now in terms of execution I have no clue how that would go

[warm ibex]

I'd say more than a little lol. one of my favorite enemies in TDA but they're super iffy to fight

[harsh egret]

Yeeh

[uneven mortar]

I definitely find cacodemon to be one of the worse fights experiences. Just a big flying whiplash that doesn't telegraph super well

The purple projectile is frustrating visual clutter

[frail bloom]

But ye I think with some time an archie could fit

We might want larger arenas for the mastermind tho

[harsh egret]

Who knows what else they might update... Maybe there will be some update to the caco

[solemn mauve]

The thing I dislike about the cosmic cacos is that when they spawn, there seems to be an invisible shield before they do that stupid purple barrier thing, I want to instantly stun lock it with my shield

[uneven mortar]

I would personally be super bummed out if they pulled out the mastermind, two final boss spots is more than enough

[harsh egret]

This

[warm ibex]

as a super heavy tho

[uneven mortar]

Oooh

That would actually be cool

[warm ibex]

that's what I'm thinkin

[frail bloom]

Hey I wanted a classic baron but Josh crushed my dreams

Now I'm salty

[green estuary]

cacos are basically superheavies sometimes
their energy shield can fuck off

[uneven mortar]

Cyberdemon gun, plus it tries harder to stay away from you and plants mines

[warm ibex]

I like the mine plant idea, that's good. Advanced version of the Arachnotron's mine launch

[frail bloom]

Lol it's like 5 meters tall how would it "stay away"

[next thistle]

Caco energy shield is constantly griefing my games

[solemn mauve]

Ikr

[frail bloom]

You would need ressurection level type terrain

[uneven mortar]

It would just scuttle away after the mine launch as far as the arena allows

[warm ibex]

Same way the Vagary is huge but can back dash

[frail bloom]

Ye it just needs a big arena

[green estuary]

well instead of cyberdemons' ai where he kinda just slowly advances towards you, the mastermind ai could be to skitter away when you come near so it could pester you from range

[frail bloom]

This is true

[hard thistle]

without the invisible shield they wouldn't be a threat. They need that. They don't spawn very often like hellknights and mancubus, so whenever they spawn, they shouldn't be super quick to take down

[frail bloom]

How cool would it be to see a mastermind and a vagary together

[warm ibex]

you'd need an arena the size of texas

[uneven mortar]

Just give it 8 legs and a bigass lazer cannon on top, make it scary with glowing brains. Doesnt have to be that big

[frail bloom]

See what I mean

They need some large spaces

[warm ibex]

We have a shit ton of those in TDA, I'm not gonna act like that's a problem lol

[uneven mortar]

Trueeee if anything the massive arenas are underfilled

[frail bloom]

Well ye but you wouls need a special arena

Like really use those large spaces

[warm ibex]

could!! not!! agree!! more!!!

[uneven mortar]

A level like siege 1 would work just fine

[next thistle]

Two Cyberdemons, two Vagaries, One empowered Komoto

[uneven mortar]

Godddd do you know what would be cool but divisive

[frail bloom]

Ye have a huge flat arena with one mastermind, one vagary, and whatever else

[solemn mauve]

Ok, for that reason it makes sense I'll be honest, but if we get the master levels and I'm pretty damn sure we will get like 3 or maybe 4 cacos in one arena....... I'm not going to lie, it's going to be hell lol

[warm ibex]

I don't know if it really has to be as big as you're thinking though tbf, that ending Holy City arena would probably be more than big enough for a Vagary and Mastermind fight

[uneven mortar]

Imagine a siege type level where an unkillable Mr. X type miniboss stalks you the whole time, across all the arenas until you clear the whole thing. You can wound it but not kill it

[frail bloom]

Doom 64 cat and mouse type level

Anyone remember that

[hard thistle]

And that's why it's a master level lol. More fun and challenging. Could you ever imagine fighting two marauders at once in doom eternal? Or even a possessed marauder? No lol. But all of those were in TAG 1(Holt Slayer Gate) and Taras Nabad master level

[lost turret]

hello guys. do you know when is the uptade dropping today?

[uneven mortar]

3mins

[wintry nexus]

3 minutes?

[hard thistle]

hoping in 2 hrs from now lol

[solemn mauve]

You know what? I can actually deal with them 😂 because it's doom eternal lol, Dark Ages is a different case for me haha

[uneven mortar]

I honestly really hope spirits come back in some form, those were amazing. Maybe not the ghostbusting tho, just require shield throw and glory strike

Enraged cosmic baron...

[green estuary]

we never got an empowered baron in the main campaign

[hard thistle]

i hated spirits because there's only one single way to kill them

[green estuary]

totally should have though

[uneven mortar]

I honestly really liked the spirits but i was a microwave beam user anyway

[wintry nexus]

From The ancient gods?

[hard thistle]

Yeah. And also Horde mode

[wintry nexus]

Oh, fuck those guys

[uneven mortar]

The microwave beam mechanic was take it or leave it, but having enemies that refuse to stagger or slow down was AWESOME

[next thistle]

As an average skill player, Empowered Barons caused a lot of acid reflux for me 🤣🤣

[solemn mauve]

Lol

[uneven mortar]

The blood swamps empowered baron was probably the peak of doom eternal difficulty outside of the master levels

[hard thistle]

fuck empowered barons

[hearty edge]

oh hell na

[hard thistle]

either you got baron or no baron to me

[uneven mortar]

Pain elemental should eat your shield

Unironically

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/planet-of-the-apes-caesar-no-gif-9726913691316398235

[hearty edge]

idk i dont remember the empowered baron

[green estuary]

I wasn't talking about posession
I was referring to the enforcer buff that enemies get

[wintry nexus]

Empowered elemental

[hard thistle]

Ah that

[calm moss]

Any caco flying around the map

• Dude my life is so easy like i just shot

Engages hook sound

WAI WE CAN TALK DUD

[green estuary]

it would make it so you actually had to parry them several times instead of just being able to burst them down

[uneven mortar]

Imagine shield tossing the pain elemental in a moment of thoughtlessness and it swallows your shield, completely ruining your rhythm for a bit

[hard thistle]

Hmm i'd rather not

I just want to kill those pain elementals asap

[green estuary]

idk barons can kinda become a joke if you get the drop on them

[wintry nexus]

I hate those guys, caco on top

[hard thistle]

also those cacos are big chunguses

[solemn mauve]

Woah.... That's actually a great idea lmao

[hard thistle]

like holy shit they are tanky. still not tanky enough to withstand good ol' dreadmace

[wintry nexus]

My beloved

[hard thistle]

even unupgraded it goes hard. source: I did a nightmare no-weapon upgrades run, no slider alterations

[uneven mortar]

Dreadmace needs a nerf so bad

[hard thistle]

No

[next thistle]

Elect Dreadmace for President of Argent D'Nur

[hard thistle]

No nerfs in a single player game. Allow us to play it as is

[uneven mortar]

Thats dumb

[green estuary]

they actually have slightly less HP than a mancubus (25k vs 26k)
but their energy shield makes them feel way tougher

[hard thistle]

Only in very rare exceptions does something need a nerf

[green estuary]

impaler needs a nerf, so does the dreadmace, let's be honest with ourselves here

[uneven mortar]

Balance changes are good in single player games, you should strive to make games as fun as possible

[hard thistle]

This is fun

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-way-noo-absolutely-not-gif-20244171

[uneven mortar]

Dreadmace takes the tension out of too many fights

[obsidian shard]

Impaler nerf should be in this update

[hard thistle]

I beg to differ

[green estuary]

it trivializes too much stuff tbh

[solemn mauve]

Ok but I'm curious as to how they're going to nerf the Impaler?

[next thistle]

Plz no nerf to Dreadmace

[uneven mortar]

Why are they nerfing the impaler, that gun sucks ass

[harsh egret]

Yh exactly, needs a buff tbh

[hard thistle]

yeah it can one-shot enemies for sure, but overall, you still have to deal with crowds sometimes, long recovery time, and bosses? Yeah

[harsh egret]

Its super underpowered atm

[green estuary]

[hard thistle]

keep the game as is. I was willing to accept one slight nerf to my beloved super shotgun

[harsh egret]

Theres gonna be more

[empty sable]

Anybody know if we are getting the dlc reveal. I'm new to keeping up with this QuakeCon, are we getting a stream?

[uneven mortar]

SSG nerf was an amazing change, oneshotting hell knights felt so wrong

[harsh egret]

We dont know, wait and see.

[uneven mortar]

I bet they'll drop the dlc title

[hard thistle]

oh yeah it stood out to me that I could one-shot a trio of hell knights

[harsh egret]

Probably no "dlc reveal"

[hard thistle]

so yeah that I could accept. Bit unfortunate but I could still accept it

[uneven mortar]

Doom The Dark Ages: Thronebreaker

[frail bloom]

Daaaavid

[hard thistle]

Doom The Dark Ages: Mick's Revenge

[green estuary]

they didn't actually nerf the ssg's damage
they just made hell knights take 40% less damage from it

[frail bloom]

LMAO

[hard thistle]

Doom The Dark Ages: This Time, It's Personal

[solemn mauve]

The only dlc stuff we got a glimpse of was in the live stream with Hugo, I guess we'll have to wait and see for the reveal now

[green estuary]

but they also mega-nerfed the ravager against some of the big boys

[next thistle]

Doom TDA: Sagat's Revenge

[hard thistle]

that's honestly fantastic. let's keep it like this

Doom The Dark Ages: Khan Maykr is Chum-Chum
Doom The Dark Ages: It's Doomin' Time

[green estuary]

really the dreadmace is the whole center of what the rebalance should be
because most of the reason why the impaler is so busted is just how easy it is to get dreadmace ammo back

[solemn mauve]

Ravager was broken and OP in the beginning, like if you have seen that video by Sylar, bro shreds that hunter mercilessly lmao

[harsh egret]

Doom The Dark Ages: Fuck you

[frail bloom]

What are the chances we see the khan this time

[harsh egret]

Slim

[uneven mortar]

They should add giant cosmic mancubi with the tentacled doom 3 faces

[green estuary]

yeah the speed at which ahzrak's hp bar drained at full charge was really something lmao

[hard thistle]

I wonder how Khan would've felt if Kreed did survive but returned to Khan for a talk...

Khan would be like 'FOOL!' and smite him. Lol

[next thistle]

Kreed is a buster @$$ mark trick

[solemn mauve]

And because of the nerf I had to switch to Accelerator. It really is goated lmao

[harsh egret]

I hear it when u say it

foOoOl

[green estuary]

dps is absolutely insane on max charge

[hard thistle]

I can physically hear Khan yelling 'FOOL!'. She just looks like someone who'd yell that if she's really disappointed in someone

[uneven mortar]

Dark ages paced its boss fights really poorly imo. It had 4 solid fights and squished them together which made it feel less fun

[green estuary]

it almost feels like cheating but it does take a little while to get fully charged so it's still fairly balanced

[solemn mauve]

Azhrak couldn't do shit to me once I started using it lol

[harsh egret]

I agree