the-dark-ages

[orchid rover]

I've played the game 4 times and watched a ton of Doom lore and story content.

[frail bloom]

Again not really boo hoo sad I didn't mean that. When I say emotional I just mean it gives you a diffe4ent feeling than just badassery mb

[lunar spire]

There was so much storytelling if you're really paying attention and love doom lore

[green estuary]

[orchid rover]

You're just saying a thing that happened.

[lunar spire]

No he's making a statement

what

[green estuary]

eternal took all the grounded story from 2016 and blew it up to absolutely cartoonish proportions

[orchid rover]

Minimalism/not minimalism is not a black and white, yes or no checkbox. It's a spectrum of elements used to build the story and presentation

[frail bloom]

Now hold on that Khan mayker moment where she bribed the slayer with his family was pretty cool

In Sentinel Prime

[harsh egret]

Did i just read "doom eternal had more cutscenes"

[orchid rover]

It had more cutscenes than 2016

[green estuary]

ok
and on the minimalism spectrum, eternal's story is waaaay off to the side of maximalism

[harsh egret]

Aha..

[lunar spire]

Yeah I'm tweaking

[harsh egret]

So did he mean more than 2016 then, or more than tda??

I just came in and started reading a bit here and there

[unkempt dragon]

me too and I regret it

[harsh egret]

Lmao

[green estuary]

it's not that bad

[vital hearth]

its a cesspool

[frail bloom]

We were talking abt the ranges of feelings you get from tda music and that transitioned to the story telling in general

[harsh egret]

I cba to read the whole discussion

[vital hearth]

valid

[calm tangle]

Okay, I apologize then, again not trying to be snobby, just curious really. Lol maybe I should've read a bit higher in the discussion I didn't mean to butt in, I just saw the word "violence" and immediately assumed you were referring to the gore. So if I'm interpreting your standpoint correctly, what you're saying is that the suffering of the damned, which the slayer has not only seen multiple times by the end of the game but directly participated in, falls flat at the end of the game because it's nothing new and has been used as set dressing previously. I understand that and I agree honestly, but with respect to Samir I didn't get that the game was even going for that at all, it's still just set dressing, nothing special, not meant to signify the end of your journey or anything

[harsh egret]

Dayum

[unkempt dragon]

[calm tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-hmm-gorilla-monkey-idk-gif-10802359271088289051

[green estuary]

god I have a gif that's perfect for this

[harsh egret]

That text covered an entire phone screen js

[orchid rover]

Yes, Doom can't choose to give an emotional impact to violence when the series has been deeply irreverent to it for decades

[frail bloom]

Nah what I mean is that compared to Forsaken Plains, Reckoning has it's Violin segments much more pronounced. It gives off that feeling of tension and knowing that this is the end of your journey but maybe just me

[unkempt dragon]

I'm gonna vacuum my apartment. Ping me if anything weird happens in the channels. Bye guys, happy debating

[orchid rover]

The violence is literally comical in Eternal. It is not a story meant to be taken seriously as a human viewing it, but as an overpowered man here to clean up the mess of lunatic demon worshippers

[harsh egret]

I hope the animated series or whatever they're gonna make (hopefully) has a more serious tone to it than smth like eternal

[calm tangle]

Nvm just checked your video game review page and saw you gave lego star wars the complete saga 3 stars and the last of us 5 stars. I'm disregarding everything you've said

[green estuary]

it's not meant to be taken seriously?
the guy literally destroys god and has a man-to-man duel with the creator of all things with this whole avengers endgame-level standoff
seriously is exactly how they wanted us to take it

[frail bloom]

WHAT

[harsh egret]

LOL

[green estuary]

you can't just brush off a crappy story by saying "it's not meant to be taken seriously"

[frail bloom]

LAST OF US NOOOOOOOO

[green estuary]

criminal offense

[harsh egret]

Yikes

[green estuary]

jail

[frail bloom]

NOO KEKERIKO MUH BOI

NOOOOO

[orchid rover]

Anyone who unironically thinks the Last of Us is a bad video game has either not played it or is a teenager echoing a youtuber

[frail bloom]

*sniff

[harsh egret]

Its not 5 stars brother

[calm tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/never-mind-leaving-michael-scott-the-office-gif-13759136

[green estuary]

that is...a take

[orchid rover]

You are on the left of the IQ bell curve if your reaction to a review is just "Le number bad!"

[calm tangle]

Yeah whatever but to rate it higher than lego star wars the complete saga man

[green estuary]

the last of us is not a 5 star video game come on now man

[harsh egret]

"tlou is a 10/10 game, if u think its anything other than that ur wrong" lel

[calm tangle]

To NOT GIVE LEGO STAR WARS 5/5 at that

Wait wait wati shouldn't we be talking doom tda

[frail bloom]

Sadge

[orchid rover]

Anyone who thinks Lego Star Wars is a masterpiece is also a kid

[calm tangle]

Mods will behead us

[calm tangle]

Okay now I'm really leaving

[vital hearth]

the mods are coming

[frail bloom]

No don't leave

I enjoy the company

[harsh egret]

No no mod is vacuuming remember

[vital hearth]

https://tenor.com/b0Esh.gif

[frail bloom]

NOOOOOOO

I'm so alone

Guhbye point man

[green estuary]

such a mature adult
very impressive

[solar cairn]

Doom The Lego Ages?

[harsh egret]

Ye we need lego doom sets and lego doom games

[frail bloom]

Hey can we convince them to add omni sprint

Maaaaaybe

[unkempt dragon]

[harsh egret]

Didn't they say no

[frail bloom]

Weeel I knowwww

[harsh egret]

Me when i lie

[unkempt dragon]

I got notified about something else lmao

[frail bloom]

But the game's getting acts 2 and 3 rebalanced

[green estuary]

bring back sprint strafing goddammit

[frail bloom]

I just thought maaaaayybeee we can have it now

[harsh egret]

Doubt

[frail bloom]

Maaaaaaaybbe

[harsh egret]

U can hope

[frail bloom]

It looks so fun on Murican eagles channel😭

Pleeeeaaasse

Omni sprint

Me want it

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Pleeeaaase

They didn't say why it breaks the game

Pleaaaaasse

Lemme test it out trust

[hollow ingot]

If someone's done it on a channel then it sounds like you can mod it; with the whole stand and fight thing it's clear they don't want you to scurry away from enemies

[frail bloom]

Murican eagle says it goes against it

He plays with it

[hollow ingot]

The mod goes against the games design?

[frail bloom]

@inner cradle why does having no omni sprint go against Dark ages design philosophy of stand and fight?

[harsh egret]

Ye imo it doesnt make sense to add it

[hollow ingot]

If he's a YTer he would have padded the content explaining why, surely

[harsh egret]

If u want it, just mod it

[frail bloom]

But

I'm on console

[harsh egret]

Welp

[frail bloom]

I'm a scrub

[hollow ingot]

No judgement against console because convenience is king for many - but consoles were never made for modding

[frail bloom]

Sad

[hollow ingot]

Not too long ago you used to be able to just put in the disc and instantly play, but now you don't even get to do that

[frail bloom]

Well that just sucks

No one likes that

You gotta depend on your interent

[green estuary]

80+ gb games be like

[harsh egret]

Ye for big games im not surprised

[hollow ingot]

Xbox 360's DVD drive was the last bastion for optimized storage before devs ran off with multi-layer blu rays on the Xbone/PS4

[green estuary]

even the double layer blu rays can only hold 50 gigs

[frail bloom]

Do you need internet to play tda btw?

[green estuary]

surely not

but I'm not sure

[harsh egret]

Not sure actually

But imo i dont get why thats such a problem

I see ppl mention that alot but i dont get it rly

[green estuary]

well it's a single-player game

so an internet connection by all rights should not be required

[harsh egret]

Ye but when am i gonna just not have internet and play games

[sleek verge]

Cloud gaming eyes offline no

[green estuary]

I mean not everyone has reliable internet

[sleek verge]

Offline is always a thing

[harsh egret]

Ye idk

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

Cuz eternal I can play offline just no battlemode

When I booted up 2016 and tda the loading took too long and I assumed I couldn't play

[harsh egret]

Heading to bed, c yall

[frail bloom]

Gn

[raw drum]

Hot take

Belly of the beast is the best level in the dark ages

[orchid rover]

Yes!

Well maybe not the BEST

But a great one to replay for a solid no frills combat gauntlet

I think the intro fight ranks as one of the hardest in the game, mainly because of all the terrain

[solid nacelle]

That first arena is nuts

[orchid rover]

Most Dark Ages arenas are generally flat with small hills and one or two vertical power positions

[raw drum]

fighting inside the belly of a monster seems very fitting for doom

[orchid rover]

It does

[solid nacelle]

Frickin stone imps keep messing me up though

[frail bloom]

I like Reckoning the most

It goes bonkers with the last Arena

I just like Hell in general

[raw drum]

the first arena is very hard

[orchid rover]

Resurrection is my favorite. Reckoning's back and forth with the secrets I found very dumb

[frail bloom]

I skip those lmao

[raw drum]

my second favourite is harbor of souls and then i have ressurection

[frail bloom]

I've upgraded everything at that point

My least favorite level hmmmmm gotta be Ancestral Beast or whatever is after Abyssal forest

[split gate]

Timmy Toughnuts over here

[frail bloom]

Why toughnuts

[orchid rover]

Bro it's a super standard 3D platformer

[frail bloom]

C'mon now

[raw drum]

tda has deadass the best levels in the modern doom games

[split gate]

Idk I just find it funny how people call others “kids” just for liking a video game

[raw drum]

because theyre modern games and only kids will like modern woke slop while the real men play old games: random yt videogame ragebaiter on the internet

[solar cairn]

Ordinary huge locations, in the eternal it was much more necessary to control and memorise the arena

[frail bloom]

I liked 2016's set of levels the most

[raw drum]

i do hate the platforming in doom eternals levels

[frail bloom]

Especially Hell like damn

[raw drum]

it was fun for a while then it got annoying

[raw drum]

those visuals are insane even today

[frail bloom]

So damn good

And ethereal

[raw drum]

the music that plays when you start kadangir sactum reminds me a ton about a classic doom theme i cant remember the name of

[frail bloom]

Ye Mick puts a reference in like every track lmao so it's most likely

What a guy

[raw drum]

harbringer is just the doom 3 track but its violence instead of metal

[frail bloom]

I like it as a one off thing but it's the only riff that repeats

Or *segment

So I usuallly skip Harbringer on spotify

[raw drum]

its supposed to mimic doom 3 so ofc

[frail bloom]

Ye but as a combat track it just loops

[split gate]

Oh I love Harbinger, it was the first track that stood out for me

[frail bloom]

I just wish it did more

[split gate]

But yeah, I wish the track just had more

[frail bloom]

Ye ye

[split gate]

I love the riff tho, I don’t get tired of it

[frail bloom]

Ye ofc but it's the only heavy segment you hear

[split gate]

Real

[frail bloom]

So it gets diluted after 7 minutes

[raw drum]

harbringer is a great soundtrack tbh

[split gate]

The build up to the riff at the end is the best part of it

[frail bloom]

seven whole minutes

[frail bloom]

Ohhh ye

[split gate]

For one riff 💀

[frail bloom]

Ye I just wished there was a variation on how it's played

Like extra notes or different noises

SOMETHING

[split gate]

Nah fuck it, let’s repeat the same thing cause it’s a banger riff fr 🔥

I’m more of a Flesh and Metal enthusiast

Probably my fav Doom track ever

[frail bloom]

As more time passes I realize I'm not the biggest fan of 2016's tracks

I love a lot of them

But like I just saw Flesh and Metal and cringed

I'm goin' crazy

[split gate]

😭

Is the track not your thing?

[frail bloom]

No it just ain't

[split gate]

That’s okay, although I do want to know why haha 👀

It’s my fav the more I think about it

[frail bloom]

It felt like noise which made no sense I don't know why I felt that

It's not a bad track I just can't grip with it

[split gate]

Yeah all good chief, yeah it’s not for everyone

I just like how it encompasses rage and aggression

[frail bloom]

Anyways I can't wait for the quakecon vids

The content

[green estuary]

Will stand by my opinion that damnation is the best track in the series

[solar cairn]

And then wait until autumn ahead of another big patch

[frail bloom]

@rare wolf Are you gonna make content during the quakecon update I wanna see master level gameplay or smt(not forcing you I really just wanna know)

[split gate]

It will be upon us soon

[frail bloom]

You mean a week?

[split gate]

Peak gaming

[frail bloom]

LMAO

[frail bloom]

Damn straight. For 2016.

[split gate]

The choir 🔥🔥🔥

[frail bloom]

CHOIRR RAAAAHHH

[split gate]

There was a gamerip I wished it was included in the ost where it plays after a fight

[solar cairn]

I think Horde Mode will be added in autumn

[split gate]

Absolutely insane

[green estuary]

Just makes a banger of a level (kadingir) the best level in the game

[frail bloom]

Maybe maybe not

[green estuary]

Just so good

[frail bloom]

Who knows

[solar cairn]

Hugo

[rare wolf]

Honestly idk, I've been working on what ideas I have at the time and what I'm passionate about. I spent too much time on previous channels burning myself out on arbitrary deadlines or "popular" topics, but honestly that does sound really fun

[frail bloom]

Well we can't ask him

[frail bloom]

No no ofc I'm just really curious cuz a lot abt the game is gonna change

[rare wolf]

I'll probably do it after my hidden combat mechanics vid. Or advanced combat vid idk

[frail bloom]

Blocking while swapping, increased weapon swap speed, no slo mo, acts 2 and 3 rebalancing

It's gonna play a lot differently

[rare wolf]

Well it's the start of an advanced combat vid. I'm building it over time as a series covering different topics. Luckily the first vid is stuff that shouldn't change with the update

[rare wolf]

I'm really excited. It'll be so much smoother

[frail bloom]

Me personally I'd like melee swapping

I know it kinda goes against the build thing but it's not like you can't still keep a build

And y'know what stops you from switching to the menu

[solar cairn]

Will there be an impact from this?

[frail bloom]

Idk Mayo seemed to really like it

Looked fun and shrimple

At most Hugo says he is looking into it

Which was for swapping

[rare wolf]

Hopefully it fixes the thing with kaibz mod resetting charge when swapping

[solar cairn]

I’ve seen a glove for many by default when passing, because it’s more suitable for a fast pace

[frail bloom]

And look he increased it

[frail bloom]

Man I don't even get to play those cuz I'm on console. How is the quick swap mode does it break the game?

I've seen it but does it just increase speed or can you skip animations

[solar cairn]

As I understand it, Hugo doesn’t want players to have any references in the gameplay to Eternal

[rare wolf]

Honestly the quick swap mod feels super jank with animations being wacky, but it plays decently. I really prefer the slower swaps tho if im being honest

[frail bloom]

No I know but how does it feel y'know

[rare wolf]

Fits the game better

[frail bloom]

Well there you go

[rare wolf]

I wouldn't want hot swaps in doom 93 and I don't really care for them here

[frail bloom]

And Hugo is increasing it in tda so it's not super slow so that's good

Plus you can block while swapping so you won't be punished for swapping

[rare wolf]

Sorry I meant no quick swaps fit the game better

[frail bloom]

No no I know

[rare wolf]

Honestly all it needed

[solar cairn]

I think there’s no point in trying to do Eternal from TDА, do you want quickswap? Mods or go back to the last game

[frail bloom]

Hugo increased swap speed in general

So it's not like really slow

[solar cairn]

Most likely they will add a little and that’s it

[frail bloom]

It's so you can like swap from shredder pincushion to cycler damage as an example of using like 2 guns in a combat sentence

[solar cairn]

The longest animation in SSG and that’s it

[frail bloom]

Not super fast hot swapping but just fast enough that you can fit in some extra damage

[frail bloom]

Well since they mentioned it it has to be somewhat noticeable

[rare wolf]

Even that has bugs/mechanics to cancel it

[frail bloom]

Shield bash and melee while blocking

[solar cairn]

Now there are combinations of ssg + impailer + rocket launcher, it works even without quickswap mode

[frail bloom]

Right I don't want quickswap but I wanna be able to just barely inch a gun so I can add two weapons in a combat sentence

Flail, flail, Shield bash, Pincushion, Cycler

Instead of Flail, flail, Shield bash, Pincushion

If that makes like any sense

[solar cairn]

Yes, but then there will be separate combinations, that is, it will not work to go through the weapon at the end

[frail bloom]

Come again

I didn't really understand

Maybe an example?

[solar cairn]

Well, SSG + Impaler are made by the shot and they can be sorted one by one to the quickswap, and pincushion and cycler are not suitable for such

[raw drum]

I can't wait for the update to disable slowmo

[solar cairn]

Or do you just want to change weapons quickly without a quick swap?

[raw drum]

Too bad im having some stuff to deal with

[frail bloom]

Yes that's it!

Just seap quickly once

Or quick enough so you can do it

[raw drum]

Quickswaping won't work in tda

[frail bloom]

To add with melee and shielding

No quick swaps but quick enough y'know

[raw drum]

Id like the ability to change weapons quicker but crazy quickswap combos that shred health bars won't fit

[solar cairn]

Why, he’s there, just not that fast

[frail bloom]

Ye especially in a game where they're all so soft

You would need like 20 mancubi

The grenade launcher already tears through 6 mancubi btw

It's cracked for large groups

[raw drum]

Dang

[frail bloom]

Someone tell Hugo that he'll get an idea for master levels or dlc

[raw drum]

I'm on my pandemonium run atm and I will say. Shredder is lowk underrated

[solar cairn]

There is a triple shot + rocket launcher, where you don’t have to stand at close range, there is a ssg + impaler for close range or other mixes

[frail bloom]

Ppl are starting to realize how useful it is

[raw drum]

It saves my casual ass pretty easily

[frail bloom]

I'm one of them

[raw drum]

Pincushion is goated

It saves my pandemonium runs pretty well

I just find a manacubi to shoot on and then I just toss the shield and the crowd around me goes down the ass crack

[raw drum]

I've noticed it

[frail bloom]

Ye it's really fun to throw the shield first, pincushion and then recall

[frail bloom]

Ye and ppl called microwave beam and full auto useless

Well how abt now???

But noooooo doom tda is dumb

[raw drum]

I mean I find them useless outside the dlc of course

[frail bloom]

...

Balls

[raw drum]

They're very forgettable

[frail bloom]

Buhhhh

[raw drum]

I know that video, made by a tit(pun intended)

Literally the 21kiloton of tda

[frail bloom]

Weeeelll you can get your shells back from full auto, and spam stun any enemy with microwave beam. You can also see an enemy's healthbar!

Only weapon that lets you do that

[green estuary]

Demon gore: am I a joke to you

[frail bloom]

Uhhhh well health bars are easier to see or smt

Brain fart

[raw drum]

There's been so much dumb hate on tda which I don't understand

[frail bloom]

🧠 ☁️

[green estuary]

The same happened with eternal at the beginning
Except now everyone looks at eternal with rose tinted glasses and TDA is the new punching bag

[vital hearth]

just so its clear(it might not've been from prior arguments) i think TDA is a good game probably even a great one

[raw drum]

I didn't play eternal in 2020 exactly so I think I'm new to this dumb hate

[frail bloom]

It'll only get better

With new content and rebalancing

[vital hearth]

maybe that will fix my frames

i just checked how bad they were

[frail bloom]

Oh no frame issues too?

[solar cairn]

If it were more difficult to extract resources like in eternal, then perhaps people would try such combinations, but if you always have an excess of ammo for ssg and impaler, then there is no point in experiencing anything else..

[frail bloom]

What's the specs?

[raw drum]

Im playing the game on ps5 because I know my gtx 1060 aint handling tda

[frail bloom]

I think they're lowering the ammo count for those

Not completely sure but Hugo was convicted abt it on a Mayo stream

[green estuary]

I mean if you want to purposefully kill your own fun by only using two guns ever, then complain about how the game lets you kill your own fun, that’s kinda on you

[raw drum]

You can turn down resource values in the menu I think

[frail bloom]

I mean I play eternal with Ssg, ballista and Chaingun shield and I'm gravy

[vital hearth]

32 gb ram, 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700H (2.30 GHz), 16 gb total vram on gpus, which is geforce rtx 3080 ti

[frail bloom]

What are you getting?

[vital hearth]

less then 30 frames so ig its a cpu bottleneck

[frail bloom]

For framerate

[green estuary]

At 1440p?

Damn

[vital hearth]

im just as confused as you are

but its whats going on

perhaps its the age

[frail bloom]

@potent sonnet
help pls

30 frames sounds weird for his set up

[vital hearth]

i think it might be hardware, something happened fr

[raw drum]

I love shooting the impaler directly in hell knights breeding devices

[vital hearth]

i have this same issue with expedition 33 so yea

[solar cairn]

I'm playing with the penultimate slider, because it's impossible on the minimum..

[frail bloom]

@mild loom pls help with this too, I don't recognize the pfp tho

So sorry if I pinged the wrong person

[vital hearth]

i don't have the issue with khazan but it has lower requirements and i have the issue with stellar blade, spiderman 2(but ive been told its badly optimized from the reviews) and uh thats about it actually

[raw drum]

I've mastered getting the glorykill animation on every enemy with the purple circle on it's face

Feels so cool ngl

[vital hearth]

spiderman 2 and the stellar have it to a lesser extent then dark ages does though

[raw drum]

I'm so glad glorykills are still accessible this way

[vital hearth]

alr so i should just get my computer repaired probably

[green estuary]

Yeah probably

[vital hearth]

😭

is a cpu hard to replace?

also i sometimes get a crash with VIDEO_TDR_FAILIURE occasionally if that changes anything

[supple oracle]

what is your cpu ??

gpu too ??

[vital hearth]

12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700H (2.30 GHz)

scroll u p for gpu

[supple oracle]

2.30ghz is very slow

Check the cpu temps when run the game

Did you try to overclock it ??

[supple oracle]

i7-12700H should go above 4ghz, unless you in laptop

[vital hearth]

its a laptop

i copy pasted from what the system gave me

[supple oracle]

if you were in pc would be easier to overclock it, but laptops it so tricky to do it

[orchid rover]

Oh son you have so much to learn

[orchid rover]

You can't or rather severely shouldn't try to overclock a laptop

CPU overclocking isn't what it used to be anyway

[supple oracle]

yeah, 2.30hz is very low for that cpu

[orchid rover]

He said it's a laptop, so I assume there's a severe heat distribution issue if the performance is that bad

Thermal throttling to prevent damage

[supple oracle]

you need a PC @vital hearth

[vital hearth]

damn ok

gonna have to just power through the frames then

[vital hearth]

the fans do be loud at times

i have also learned its actually 3 years old given the cpu is 2022

oh wait nvm

just 1 year actually

[spark elm]

Just need challenges on Reckoning now!

[orchid rover]

Are you using DLSS frame gen?

I don't know if it's available for your GPU

[vital hearth]

i have tried with on an off

doesn't seem to change much

[orchid rover]

Try the game at very low resolution and settings

[vital hearth]

i tried that already

even with 4:3 and the lowest possible resolution and settings

[green estuary]

it seems like his setup has an issue

[vital hearth]

it was still bad

no such issue exists with games that are released prior to 2025 though

might've just found the problem actually

might be malware guess one of the things i downloaded fucked me at some point

i shall test after the malware has been cleansed

oh wait nvm

they were false flags

could this issue be caused by low storage space?

[lament lotus]

End of my first week of UN attempts. Furthest I got today was the final encounter of Seige Pt.2. Running around in circles while panic parrying is not a viable option; I need a better strategy.

However I think early investments into the Gauntlet paid off pretty well.

[lunar spire]

Gloves are sick, but I think flail is the best for survivability which is usually a big focus on UN

But, it ultimately comes down to what you're best with

So keep pushing you got this!!!

[lament lotus]

My general strategy is to save gaunlet for high value targets, as I'd rather the cyberdemon be off the field first. I use combat shotty for armor gain.

For my Pandemonium playthrough the earthquake was my armor source, however in UN I have yet to make it to that point.

[lunar spire]

Valid and smart, I like it. I love how many play styles are in this game istg

[lament lotus]

I love how every weapon is viable if you know what to pair it with.

[lunar spire]

Y e s

It's almost like they let the combat system cook long enough

[lament lotus]

Gaunlet is also really good value against enemies that demand multiple parries at once. You can wipe out a cyberdemon in about ten seconds if you have the shock upgrade paired with Chainshot's blessing

On UN no less

One last thought on the gauntlet. In Kahlim when you pick it up, it's shown to be a seperate glove than the one Doomguy starts out with. This opens the door for a potential DLC cutscene where Doomguy takes off the power gauntlet and whacks someone in the face with it.

Throwing down the gauntlet, so to speak

[lament lotus]

Though I think everyone has that one weapon they won't touch with a ten foot pole, and that's fine.

[lunar spire]

[lunar spire]

Mine is the grenade launcher. I just don't like it. I think it's really bad with how I play

[lament lotus]

Same for me. I've already aired my greivances about it before, so I'll just say that all of its upgrades only relating to direct hits is a missed opportunity.

[daring terrace]

I just got the game any setting recommendations? I’ve played classic, 2016, and eternal

[lament lotus]

Start on Ultra-Violence.

[daring terrace]

Check

[spark elm]

Thira’s sword as a weapon would be sick

[neat harbor]

Has anyone have trouble going to previous missions?

[spark elm]

Nope.

[neat harbor]

I'm playing on ps5 and for some reason it won't let me go back to replay mission

[spark elm]

Testing nightmare on reckoning… my oh my give a chance cosmic baron

[lunar spire]

You got this!! Patience is the key for them. Parry until you get the falter!

[spark elm]

Barons are so annoying

stupid challenge on reckoning to kill 2 barons in quick succession…

[green estuary]

I'm glad there are some enemies in tda that are already developing a reputation

[spark elm]

I’ve had enough of nightmare

I don’t get how people do it man

[green estuary]

did you ever play nightmare in eternal?

[spark elm]

nope

I had to put down the difficulty, finally got this stupid challenge done with the barons on reckoning

[silent surge]

bfc is easiest

[spark elm]

Since I dumbed it down, SSG did the job

Uh, please get that outta here someone

<@&162901871168585728>

careful

thank you!

[unkempt dragon]

thank you

[spark elm]

[solar cairn]

The stream with Hugo is already close..

[harsh egret]

bro is counting down every second until the quakecon update

[solar cairn]

++++

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[solar cairn]

I didn’t go to the game on purpose for almost 2-3 weeks

I’m waiting for a patch of at least 20 gigs

[harsh egret]

i didnt touch the game for pretty much over a month myself

thats just cuz i literally cant play atm but oh well

but im back right before quakecon so its gonna be nice to come back to that

[oak temple]

What we expecting from QuakCon in regards to TDA?

[solar cairn]

Master levels, complication of the game

[harsh egret]

act2+3 encounter changes, master levels (if we go by what they teased it should be khalim+abyssal forest but could be smth else), horde mode or smth similar hopefully but thats less confirmed, alot of QoL changes to everything from the Atlan and dragon, slightly increased weapon swap, impaler/ssg tweaks, slowmo slider, some ai will see some slight tweaks (chaingunner apparently, the pinky), also smth about making some green attacks be non parryable (not sure if this is still smth they are gonna do but they mentioned a month ago), another parry window setting that will be very tight, also blocking while weapon switching

most of the stuff that atleast hugo talked about that is coming to the game

[solar cairn]

But in cyberpunk, every big patch came out once a year

[merry sapphire]

they really should bring back the old slayer's club website it was so much better

[merry sapphire]

hope its literally any other level except khalim. its such a short level man i would much rather them make longer master levels with the other chapters

[harsh egret]

ye im just assuming from the twitter teasers

it could be more master levels, who knows

maybe they will go for doing the whole campaign

[merry sapphire]

"some green attacks be non parryable again" correct me if im wrong but i dont remember any attack in the game that was made to be parryable in an update

or was the change made mid development?

[harsh egret]

i think i meant to put that "again" in the parenthesis next to it

edited it

[merry sapphire]

they struggled doing half the campaign for eternal, honestly id much rather they take their time and focus on each master level so we get more masterpieces like the supergorenest and the world spear master levels

[harsh egret]

they have more ppl working on these stuff and its not covid and development time for this game in general is quite a bit faster than eternal

so i think its fine

im not gonna expect a master level campaign but i wouldnt be surprised if it happens

[merry sapphire]

didnt it take roughly the same time for these two games to come out from the previous game?

if anything, dark ages was a bit late

[harsh egret]

nah it wasnt

[merry sapphire]

doom 2016 was released in 2016 (big surprise), doom eternal was in 2020, while dark ages was in 2025

theres a year difference

not a year late but a year difference

[harsh egret]

add another year to eternal with the updates and dlcs

4 year gap

more or less

with a campaign as big as this they did alot in a very good amount of time imo

[merry sapphire]

if we do that we'd have to do the same to dark ages so its still a year difference Lol. unless they release the full dlc in like 6 months

doom eternal was still a complete game on launch, and even featured multiplayer

[harsh egret]

i meant the development time for tda didnt really properly begin in 2020 if thats what u were saying

so they didnt spend 5 years on tda

[harsh egret]

exactly and with more ppl on board while also not working on multiplayer then why wouldnt there be enough manpower to do smth like master levels for every level when the game takes noticeably less time to develop

[merry sapphire]

hope so, the game right now needs something to fill the gap of battlemode tbh. or atleast give us arcade mode in the meantime cause the game only has the campaign and literally nothing else (sick ass campaign though dont get me wrong top 1 in the industry)

[harsh egret]

yeah, the game is really good we just need more content :d

imo it doesnt need to fill the gap of battlemode since i never liked it at all and most people never played it

[merry sapphire]

i still think the devs should have shipped something with the campaign on launch

[harsh egret]

i can agree

[merry sapphire]

i meant more like side content in general instead of just pure campaign

[harsh egret]

yeye

[merry sapphire]

besides i think battlemode is sick

they should totally bring that back (im not biased btw)

for all its quarks, honestly it was a really unique game mode. you gotta admit how hard it is to get 2v1 mostly right

i say mostly cause most people didnt like it that much sadly

[harsh egret]

its unique and good for those who did get into it but it just wasnt for me

[merry sapphire]

only problem for battlemode for me was there was no air control like cmooon

[harsh egret]

i more wanted to put time into cs/valorant as competitive games, which i still do rn
hence why i think they realised its not worth to put resources into a competitive multiplayer gamemode at this moment in time

theres so much other stuff that fills that category that its not worth at all

[merry sapphire]

thats fair, but honestly i wish they would still take another crack at a multiplayer mode in doom

[harsh egret]

and im not gonna play it over anything else just cuz its doom xd

as much as im such a big doom fan lol

[harsh egret]

next doom is gonna have battle royale
imagine

[merry sapphire]

that just boils down to personal preference, especially cause of how unique battlemode is that theres no multiplayer game similar to it other that Monster LOL (think it was called monster i forgot)

Evolve!

[hasty stone]

Nobody cares or cared about doom multiplayer

[harsh egret]

ok stop ragebaiting again

[merry sapphire]

i Did, Alien_Tickler,,, i Did

[harsh egret]

the guy likes to write just stupid shit

[merry sapphire]

also theres a whole battlemode community so thats just straight up Wrong

[hasty stone]

That's kinda mean

You're not allowed to have opinions here

[harsh egret]

well what u said is exactly that

u didnt write an opinion

[merry sapphire]

Tell em Hato

[hasty stone]

I guess you didn't understand my statement

[merry sapphire]

99 player demons vs 1 slayer

[merry sapphire]

no that was a definitive statement and not an opinion

[harsh egret]

its pretty clear what u said brother

[hasty stone]

If I said that, than that's obviously what I think which implies an opinion

[harsh egret]

no it wasnt

[merry sapphire]

Tighten up and Lock in man

[hasty stone]

When we getting midevil chainsaw

[merry sapphire]

lowkey how would that even look like

[solar cairn]

But it allowed skins to be made for each season

[hasty stone]

I think they're going to make skins for campaign stuff now

[solar cairn]

In addition, in Eternal skins were unique, not just repainted armour options

[winter idol]

the skins were also outsourced by a separate company which is why they were able to make so many

[solar cairn]

What?

[winter idol]

the skins were not made by id software, they were outsourced

in eternal

[solar cairn]

[hasty stone]

I don't see too many ppl wanting a bunch of skins so they might not push it

We just want more content

With quake con there will def be a twitch prime skin

[silent surge]

do we know who? didn’t realize

[north spire]

There’s a detail I haven’t heard people mention about this game

I like the fact that the firing noise for each weapon becomes more high pitched when you’re close to running out of ammo, it’s very convenient

[lunar spire]

Yes! Variation in weapon noises and pitch too really helps with it not getting too repetitive

[misty marten]

I just started playing this, really fun :)

[lunar spire]

Yaaah! Hell yeah, what's your favorite part about it?

[misty marten]

Idk I just started-

But I do like the gameplay and the design of things, also how it is medieval is pretty cool

[vivid flicker]

Oh that meant i was low on ammo? When i used the shredder i always thought it was just a sound that came overtime by shooting

[north spire]

Yea it’s a pretty cool use of sound design

[vivid flicker]

Are you and autumn friends bc wint(er) autumn yknow

[north spire]

no :p

[winter idol]

i dont remember, i just remember them mentioning it a few years back

[frail bloom]

I thought they said turning those green attacks red felt awful

[frail bloom]

Well what if it was a very hard level despite being the first one hmmm

Like super challenging

They have like a cosmic baron

And you only have your shield, 2 weapons and one melee

[fleet spruce]

Atleast it's not 10 billion revenants

[frail bloom]

Ye too little

Add some chaingunners smh

[fleet spruce]

careful there

we'd get another plutonia

[frail bloom]

I can solo

With muh grenade launcher

[merry sapphire]

its still a short level. id much rather a very hard LONG master level

especially for the first masterlevel thats dropping

[merry sapphire]

that doesn't sound fun unless its a seperate mode

like classic mode

[frail bloom]

Well what if they do the thing where they change the progression

[merry sapphire]

well it wouldn't be a master level anymore lol

[frail bloom]

Uhhhhh World Spear

[merry sapphire]

what about it

its still a normal master level

[frail bloom]

You progress differently through the map

[merry sapphire]

no you dont?

[frail bloom]

You go back and forth and teleport to different arenas

Yes you do

[merry sapphire]

you go through the same arenas overall

[merry sapphire]

yeah but essentially its the same thing

[frail bloom]

But they could like do that but more

[merry sapphire]

its still a shorter level overall

changing progression is still gonna be the same time

[frail bloom]

Bruh how short do you think it'll be as a master level

[merry sapphire]

pretty short

they cant add new arenas man

[frail bloom]

In minutes

[frail bloom]

No adding new arenas, just change the purpose of what the arena was

[merry sapphire]

idk around 20 to 30 minutes

[frail bloom]

Like how you teleport back outside for the last arena in WS against the possessed tyrant

[merry sapphire]

yeah i know but its still gonna be shorter

id rather they pick a longer level to make a master level out of that

[frail bloom]

May you get stuck on the 10 mancubi and 2 cosmic barons

[merry sapphire]

Nah 🔥

[frail bloom]

[harsh egret]

ye its why i mentioned that i wasnt sure if they still gonna do it

[green estuary]

Doom: the plutonia ages

[solar cairn]

Doom: Master Level ages

[hallow mantle]

👍

[tall nymph]

Do we know when the next game update will be?

[green estuary]

Quake con
Starts August 7

[uneven mortar]

Any updates on quakecon update

[frail bloom]

Haha I see what you did there

Idk but it's next Thursday

So only next week

[solar cairn]

Maybe there will be a micropatch this Thursday?

[frail bloom]

No.

It's a week

Wait it out

[fickle plover]

tda felt too short to me

[dusk robin]

bruh, its got the longest campaign out of the 3 new titles

[frail bloom]

Don't worry replay value coming your way

[dusk robin]

one thing I would like to see changed is being forced back to the main menu after every level. I just want to get back into the action.

[frail bloom]

That is annoying but it does only take up 5 seconds of your time

But it's a bug and should be fixed

So ye agree

[dusk robin]

yeah

[frail bloom]

Doesn't break the game for me tho

[dusk robin]

neither does mine, its just an inconvenience

[frail bloom]

Ye basically

Breaks the flow a bit so I get what you mean

[dusk robin]

yeah

[frail bloom]

I think that bug was introduced after the first patch

Iirc

[dusk robin]

well the games life cycle just started so who knows

[nova shoal]

Anyone used a keyboard or mouse so long that their fingerprints became embedded into the plastic?

[dusk robin]

nope but I've had the a keyboard that I used so much that the letters were beginning to chip away.

[nova shoal]

This Microsoft keyboard an mouse refuses to die lol

[indigo rampart]

my Logitech mouse got its "G" logo earased after i used it for years

[nova shoal]

Wait we cant post pics here?

Damn I had some crazy pics to share lol

I wore a hole through the side of my mouse lol

Never seen anyone else use a device that long lol

[fleet spruce]

Upload into other discord server then just drop link to image here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663786269825826836/1396208259630895145/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_0af47cb5-ba49-4c24-8fed-ddf05cdf977d.jpg?ex=6889c605&is=68887485&hm=4b6ccf5b23228c889341bbe6f5112c50628266bc6c1ac3554edf6802d633d43b&

[nova shoal]

#584948865820524564 message

Woops...

[fleet spruce]

Lol

[nova shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584948865820524564/1399771367745785958/20250729_110230.jpg?ex=688a362c&is=6888e4ac&hm=9c03979d35ad1903a657e11d59272d16ec289d6ec844c95bbd5444d1b087ade7&

[fleet spruce]

It almost did

Wait a bit

[nova shoal]

what hte fuck? how the fuck do you tell if a link is too fast?!

[fleet spruce]

Try now

[nova shoal]

what sort of vague bullshit is that....now if i try again watch it kick me or something https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584948865820524564/1399771511602020402/20250729_110920.jpg?ex=688a364e&is=6888e4ce&hm=8d5c92406bca793009c024c0e9cf980be0ca1c08112b801238ad509c7f760005&

thats my left shift key....heres a zoom in on my wsad https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584948865820524564/1399771588966088827/20250720_155054.jpg?ex=688a3661&is=6888e4e1&hm=2ce89ca194066e061a939719aea9a3f97262969eb3933412b34e88724aac4e18&

[fleet spruce]

Jesus, just how hard you were pressing on them

[dusk robin]

that keyboard is begging for death

the sweet relief of death

[nova shoal]

and last but not least, the microsoft mouse that refuses to die https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584948865820524564/1399773314549026826/20250729_105052.jpg?ex=688a37fc&is=6888e67c&hm=e3a8109a573d5457d4b5d96433df845796a96b3f168596e7cf9916ba637f331d&

[fleet spruce]

I play fighting games and never came close to even as half as this destroyed

[nova shoal]

that hole is literally just from my thumb pressing against the side lol

ive been using that keyboard for over a decade now, and only recently did the left shift key start to stop working when i press the edge of it

thats the only issue with it if you can believe that lol

people always make a big fuss about mechanical keyboard and such, and here i am with this 15 dollar keyboard that has more than paid for itself lol

i cant use any other keyboard now becuase this one has literally molded to fit my hand haha

i think there is a real market for having the WSAD area of a keyboard to be slightly redesigned for gamers though

it definitely feels alot better when these keys are even somewhat ergonomically shaped to the specific position WSAD gaming puts your hand into

im surprised i havnt seen any gaming keyboards try this

[fickle plover]

for some reason I don’t believe that

maybe I rushed through it

I played the whole thing twice in like 3 days I feel like

[nova shoal]

the dark ages is definitely longer than both the previous dooms

especially if your first playthrough is on nightmare

im at the final boss still, been doing streams where i take a shot of vodka when i die

ive streamed the fight twice so far and just ended up getting hammered lol

i get so close to beating it but no luck yet

[dusk robin]

there's 22 levels in Dark ages, Doom 2016 has 13 and Doom Eternal has 19 including TAG pt 1 and 2 levels

[nova shoal]

plus the general size of the levels in dark ages are way larger

i just wish melee combat didnt automatically lock you onto an enemy and your character ZOOMS into them

[dusk robin]

perhaps he blitzed through it without looking for secrets

[modern solar]

Hey guys, I havnt been able to join the slayers club since doom eternal because I put in an incorrect email for my bethesda account and it never let me change it. Does anyone know if I can change this? Its making me never be allowed to do anything online related with Doom and it sucks. Bethesda hasnt helped me at all either

[solar cairn]

22, but the missions with Atlan take 5 minutes, and with the dragon the reduced combat sections

[nova shoal]

i wish it was more like chivarly, dead island or dying light where your aim when you swing the weapon determines where it lands

[dusk robin]

is still 22 missions at the end of the day

[nova shoal]

especially with how much work they put into the new gore system

more focus on skillful melee combat would have really elevated the game

you have the meat hook from the previous game with its amazing chain physics that could have been used with the new flail

could have easily used it for traversal instead ofthat absolutely idiotic method of slinging your shield into some random corpse with GREEN blood conveniantly placed just for the doom slayer to use, so that he can throw the shield into it, then try to retrieve the shield which leads to the slayer being PULLED towards the shield becuase....reasons

its the laziest solution to a design problem and it really pisses me off

the general idea of all these locking mechanisms that literally only function becuase the slayer uses a unique item that only he has

is so fucking stupid....youd think a company of that repulation and history would have better ideas

[fleet spruce]

Gamers when game is very gamey:

[nova shoal]

they gave us that sword in eternal....then they make a new game more focused on melee and then DONT give us the sword

thats cruel and unusual punishment lol.

[green estuary]

the crucible in eternal is honestly pretty lame

[nova shoal]

also the fact there is no multiplayer and not even coop....should be illegal for the game series that literally invented the deathmatch

[green estuary]

instakilling a single enemy just feels incredibly cheap

[nova shoal]

its full potential was definitely not met, tahts why it sucks so much that it isnt in this one

[hard solar]

I feel like they are going to roll it out slowly and milk the money lol

[green estuary]

I mean I see no reason why the crucible should be in TDA

he doesn't even know what it is at that point

[solid nacelle]

The multiplayer components of 2016 and eternal weren't super well received

[nova shoal]

the whole parry mechanic would have been much more fun if you could have had sekiro esque exchanges between bigger enemies

[nova shoal]

doom 2016 was on the right course but the weapons and the way they did that whole progression system ruined it

then eternal tried something way wierder and just didnt do what should have been obvious....deathmatch,team deathmatch using the weapons you get in the campaign....

[dusk robin]

one thing I would love for Dark Ages if you could do both executions and glory kills, I know glory kills are technically still in the game but I mean something like Eternals or 2016s glory kills along side the executions

[nova shoal]

they could have done both

huge missed opportunity

[dusk robin]

exactly

[green estuary]

well think about it

[nova shoal]

but mostly i wanted the ability to parry by literally attacking the enemies melee attack in real time

[split gate]

If they were confident knowing that the combat loop they created would be ruined with the addition of glory kills, then I’d take their word for it

[nova shoal]

ya know....an actual parry

[green estuary]

eternal/2016 have an extensive list of glory kills where the slayer is just killing demons with his own bare hands/blade thingy
imagine how much extra work all the glory kill animations would take given that he has a whole host of melee weapons now

[split gate]

Because the more I play the game, the more I understand why the standard glory kills had to be removed

[solar cairn]

The shield can block, parry, attract, stand when throwing

You can’t do that with a sword, there are no questions

[nova shoal]

anytime a game takes control away from the player is bad, especially in a game like doom

[hard solar]

You would think multiplayer would be like quake arena or something

[frail bloom]

Uh wdym

[nova shoal]

use the flail like a belmont

[frail bloom]

You've been using shield throw your entire run

[nova shoal]

that would have made much more sense

[frail bloom]

So obviously it's part of your toolkit

Did you forget abt meathook nodes???

[nova shoal]

no im talkin about it from a game design standpoint

the whole idea that a corpse exists solely for the purpose of the slayer...the people who live at these locations your invading is just dumb lol

[frail bloom]

And what abt the meathook nodes

[nova shoal]

ontop of the stupidity of wedging a shield with a chainsaw on it, into a corpse in such a way that the slayer can pull himself towards it becuase he lodged it in so well lol

[solid nacelle]

Vs nodes that float in the air what is this argument lol

[frail bloom]

How are those any different

[split gate]

I was about to say

[green estuary]

it doesn't exist for the sole purpose of the slayer goofy
the shield saw needs flesh in order to embed itself into something (hence why it bounces off of armored enemies)

[nova shoal]

that at least makes sense on SOME level lol

[split gate]

Meathook nodes casually floating up in the air like that, and you could use them for a specific time and wait in between

[frail bloom]

Not really

[nova shoal]

and more importantly doesnt take contrl away from the player

[green estuary]

peak logic lol

[nova shoal]

it automatically puts you into the air and more or less teleports you to a location

[frail bloom]

They're floating hunks of metal that look like your meathook node for no reason

[green estuary]

random floating green orbs that just happen to be meathook-able

[frail bloom]

Not mentioned why they exist they just do

[nova shoal]

the meathook at least allows you the freedom of using it on any enemy and in anyway you want

[split gate]

Meathook nodes aren’t part of the lore ☹️

[frail bloom]

If you want the shield throw corspe to be used in combat I can get that alr

[green estuary]

yeah dude, eternal is all about free movement, tda isn't
everyone knows this

[nova shoal]

also i dont rememeber any meat hook nodes, i just remember using the meat hook on enemies but it has been awhile since i played it

[frail bloom]

But as a traversal it does it's job

[frail bloom]

Tag 2

[nova shoal]

i remember the yellow orbs that give you more dodge power

[split gate]

Is TDA really limiting player control? I don’t understand this

[frail bloom]

Me neither

[nova shoal]

in a few ways

for one, anytime you climb, it automatically climbs up

regardless of how long it is

[vague sinew]

…

[frail bloom]

Oh no...

How terrible

[nova shoal]

which can actually cuase issues if you wanna wait to climb up becuase an attack is coming your way

[frail bloom]

It's not even used in combat

[green estuary]

this is the definition of nitpicking

[frail bloom]

No, it's not used in combat

[split gate]

If the control limits the player to engage in the main aspect of the gameplay loop, which is the combat, then is it really taking away from the core experience? I have to disagree

[frail bloom]

Only traversal

[nova shoal]

its still needless hand holding of the player in a genre that definitely does NOT benefit from such design philosophies

[split gate]

Climbing is very limited out of the entire experience of TDA, more than Eternal

[frail bloom]

C'mon now

[nova shoal]

when using the shield on those corpses it also takes away your control

[frail bloom]

All this fancy talk for a couple seconds

[nova shoal]

you just automatically fly to the destination with 0 thought or skill involved

[solid nacelle]

Synced glory kills take away your control too

[split gate]

It is literally seconds and is not part of the main core enjoyment of the game. It’s a big disagree

[fickle plover]

half of the levels were 2 minutes long though

[frail bloom]

Again, not used in combat

[solar cairn]

You’ll get tired of pressing the finish button 40 times per arena

[nova shoal]

depends on your player loadout, if you have the buffs to glory kill speed its less than a second lol

[green estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[fickle plover]

isn’t there a level that’s just a cutscene

[frail bloom]

It's to get to point A to B

And makes you remember to USE YOUR SHIELD THROW

[vague sinew]

nuGod of War has this issue (atreus telling the solution to puzzles)…i don’t think this is an issue in doom. Even then, what about doom eternal’s elevators?

[nova shoal]

also the glory kills are affected by where you triggered it and where your aiming

[harsh egret]

how r we complaining about that of all things

[frail bloom]

For those who have a tough time remembering all their mechanics

[nova shoal]

so it at least is responsive to context

[split gate]

Hmmm but in a way it limits you at the same time for standard glory kills because you’re stuck in a cutscene

[frail bloom]

No it plays an animation. That is visual difference not mechanical difference

[split gate]

A small one

[nova shoal]

didnt think it was so controversial to discuess aspects of a game that could be better....

[split gate]

But very repeatable

[solid nacelle]

This conversation is the definition of "its not that deep bro"

[nova shoal]

how does that negate what i said?

[frail bloom]

Because you're still LOCKED in an animation!

Doesn't matter which one!

[nova shoal]

i didnt say it wasnt....lol

[green estuary]

except the complaints I'm hearing from you are things that literally nobody cares about

[frail bloom]

So what's the point

Not a good example of player freedom

[split gate]

I’d rather be the one in control of delivering the final hit for a demon than be stuck in a glory kills animation but it’s just me. I do wish there’s more style to it tho

[nova shoal]

i said it responds to where you activate it, such as the feet, it plays a glory kill that targets the feet, the back does the same, the sides, from above ect. and each enemy gets its own set of these

[frail bloom]

Visually.

[harsh egret]

i love the fact that u can finish a demon with a strike and also look around while in that animation

its so good

[nova shoal]

meanwhile doom the dark ages just has one basic type of kill for all enemies

[harsh egret]

bruh

[nova shoal]

for each location that is

[harsh egret]

literally wrong

[frail bloom]

Well ye if you wanted more glory kills they would have to randomize gk for top down and back

[nova shoal]

definitely a step back in fun factor, especialyl when you have this increased focus on melee combat, would have been a great opportunity

[frail bloom]

But having more angles wouldn't work well

[green estuary]

flail strike, mace strike, fist strike, kick, shield bash, shield saw (front/back)
am I missing anything?

[nova shoal]

or at the very least manually aimed melee attacks would have made the loss of glory kills acceptable

[green estuary]

also I guess the heart ripping out for the essence demons

[nova shoal]

thats pretty much it, and it plays the exact same animation for all enemy typese

[frail bloom]

Well now you have to incluce shieldsaw kills

[solid nacelle]

Champion kills too

[frail bloom]

Which are two per demon

[split gate]

Yep, I think that’s also 300 inspired I think, just taking down one enemy with one strike, move on to the next, because you’re fighting hordes

[frail bloom]

Heavy, superheavy

[nova shoal]

the only thing that really dissapointed me though is the melee combat auto locking onto enemies

[green estuary]

I mean I would take that over being locked in an animation and just getting swarmed by the AI

[frail bloom]

In my eyes, they coulda randomized what animation plays for above front and back. And that way it's 2 different angles without messing up the melee

[green estuary]

remember when blood punch didn't auto lock onto enemies? me too
that wasn't fun at all

the number of whiffs was insane

[nova shoal]

never had an issue myself lol

[frail bloom]

Ye I don't want to measure how close I am to an enemy during high intensity combat

[split gate]

The amount of times Blood Punch didn’t work on me

[nova shoal]

that shouldnt be an issue for your average fps gamer lol

[frail bloom]

The only reason why you feel the lock is bc of slo mo

Without it, probably feels much more different

[nova shoal]

the slow mo definitely makes you alot more aware of it happening, but the fact that not only takes control away from the player in a much more egregious way than glory kills ever did is what really ruins it. you dont even get any i frames when your doing it

[split gate]

Speaking of which, for Eternal, having your Bloodless punch do very minuscule damage is fuckass game design 💀, I get why but from a design point it’s just wrong

[frail bloom]

Egregious???

[nova shoal]

which really sucks when the games extremly open ended input queing can easily cause you to do two melee attacks when you only ment to do one, and that ends up getting you killed

[frail bloom]

It's less than half a second

And is a very good crowd control tool

Maybe stop being drunk during your playthroughs

[green estuary]

well difference being in a "regular" fps game, you melee people by sneaking up from behind usually, so the punishment for whiffing is negligible
meanwhile in TDA when you melee, you lose your shield and all your protection, so if you end up whiffing, you basically die instantly on higher difficulties or get very close to it

[nova shoal]

you do realize the effect distance has on time right lol

[frail bloom]

And it's less than any glory kill

You can look around as well

You're forgetting a lot of stuff

[wheat sigil]

i'd say from a design point it's completely correct

[nova shoal]

lol your view is literally locked to the enemy your attacking during it

[frail bloom]

No it's not

Wrong.

[split gate]

Oh how so, I want to understand more

[frail bloom]

You have a 360 view to look around

[nova shoal]

are you sure your not drunk?

[split gate]

I’m open minded chill guy

[frail bloom]

@harsh egret

You can look around during a melee strike and so can I

We just talked abt this

[green estuary]

well you shouldn't just be able to spam your melee in eternal without regard to whether or not BP is ready

[nova shoal]

hell i barely ever used blood punch

[green estuary]

the way it is currently punishes you appropriately for not being aware of BP meter and spamming melee

[wintry nexus]

Unpopular opinion, but I swear I feel like dark ages is faster than eternal

[green estuary]

it is if you crank the sliders up

[nova shoal]

depends on what context you mean, but movement speed definitely isnt

[split gate]

Oh I see it from that perspective, yes that’s correct, it’s just that even though it may be unavoidable and it was the only choice, it just doesn’t make sense in terms of, I guess, common sense

[wintry nexus]

Oh I most definitely did, 150

[green estuary]

yeah 150 speed tda's movement speed is nutty

[nova shoal]

the parry window timing is way too forgiving even on the hardest settings

[frail bloom]

...

[split gate]

Doom slayer’s glory kills show him use a lot of strength, surely he could wipe out a fodder with a small punch

[wintry nexus]

The sprinting is extremely fast, coming back to eternal the slayer feels like he’s just walking

[nova shoal]

i dont think eternal even had a sprint button did it?

[frail bloom]

Alr let's wait till the master levels and see if it's too forgiving

[wintry nexus]

Exactly

[nova shoal]

just had dodging

[green estuary]

I mean we're splitting hairs here
dash is effectively a sprint button

[wintry nexus]

Plus, the shield bash can make you traverse so fast

[split gate]

I believe the meathook heavily contributed to how people thought Eternal was fast

[nova shoal]

but combining dodging with the meathook you could do some truly insane movements. really would have loved to see what could have been done in deathmatch with it

[wintry nexus]

Ong, ppl just hating for the sake of hating

[solid nacelle]

That probably would've been unfun for casuals

[wintry nexus]

They want dark ages to be doom eternal two

[split gate]

Yeah, the movement of the Slayer, minus the dash, is actually similar to TDA

[nova shoal]

imagine two players fighting eachother with the supershotgun, meathooking eachother in the airwhile moving fast......could they actually orbit eachother?!

[split gate]

Then tbh, it’s not a matter of it being fast or slow. It’s just a matter of differing game design

[wintry nexus]

The shield bash makes up for the meat hook, the sprinting makes up for the dash

[green estuary]

sounds like you just want eternal deathmatch

[split gate]

I want it too so bad

[nova shoal]

i mean i definitely wanted that of course lol

[frank turtle]

probably

[nova shoal]

meathook could have been to eternal deathmatch that the gravity gun was to half life 2 death match

when that first came out....i played that one prison map so many times lol

[green estuary]

idk maybe I'm weird but I never found it that appealing
it would feel weird playing as doomguy with all his arsenal and not killing demons

[wintry nexus]

I like the doom games because they change gameplay up throughout games, doom eternal isn’t trying to be doom 2016, tda isn’t trying to be eternal

It’s a simple fucking concept

[nova shoal]

i honestly thought they were using the doom hunter as a way for a player to spawn into another players campaign and hunt them down with all the abilities a player would have

[split gate]

People who say this limit game innovation fr

[nova shoal]

like dark souls invasion style

[green estuary]

ew

[nova shoal]

i would have loved something like that

[wintry nexus]

They’re the reason why so many games are bland

They just want things to be the same

It’s stupid

[wheat sigil]

having a fodder clearing tool with no cost, and no immediate downside is a bad idea in a game about resource manage and gunplay
utilization of the base punch would also put you in an awkward feedback loop where you think you're doing something well, but it's A) suboptimal to other choices and B) building bad habits
moreover, the blood punch will decimate enemies, hard falter, it ties into the resource mangement system, and it ties into the gunplay, which the base punch wouldn't. the base punch would be a useless tool for those properly utilizing their weapons and for the rest it'd be against the design philosophy while promoting subpar choices from the player

[vital hearth]

also the reason why ubisoft makes an open world game for the 20948049u7o78054887th time

[split gate]

Exactly, people don’t see it, even though id said multiple times TDA was going to be different

[wheat sigil]

you wouldn't even have a lot of moments you can use it, because your blood punch should be charged most of the time

and the "it's fun for some" argument could be applicable to any potential addition, making it null

[wintry nexus]

Most of the people who say tda is slow is because first, they didn’t play the game long enough, second, they glaze the fuck outta eternal (which I kinda understand but cmon), third, they didn’t turn up the game speed

[frail bloom]

I guess slo mo is a factor

But you can turn that off in one week

So win

[wintry nexus]

God, I’m so excited

[nova shoal]

Its mostly the enemies themselves that are slower in general but their attacks often arent

[frail bloom]

Ye looks great

[frail bloom]

They are lumbering

[nova shoal]

Like the green stone imp's rolling attack. Thays sonic the hedgehog fast

[split gate]

Ah yes yes, I see what you mean, this I agree 100%. I think I used the wrong words then, I mean in terms of the lore? Or maybe common sense I guess? When it comes to action video games, punches should cause considerable damage. However, I understand why they didn’t because of the reasons you mentioned above. I just find it iffy that the punch from the legendary Slayer does almost nothing.

[frail bloom]

But I think it's why acts two and three are getting updated

To really show it's amount of demons this time and not the demon itself

[wintry nexus]

That’s why the difficulty slider exists

[frail bloom]

3 mancubi is better than one tougher mancubi

[nova shoal]

Its a shame the fact the game has the ability to actually load giant robot scale assets in tandem with the normal player sized assetts and not use it for multiplayer

[languid latch]

Ya man its so great that we get a series that is actually brave enough to mix things up like they do

[nova shoal]

Imagine being on the ground while an atlan is being used or even the dragons

[split gate]

Guarantee you they’re the people who ask for the same thing and end up crying why everything is the same afterwards

[frail bloom]

Ye I can understand that

[nova shoal]

Or having dragons fighting an atlan

[wheat sigil]

ah okay

[wintry nexus]

MORE GAMES NEED TO ADD DIFFICULTY SLIDERS

[frail bloom]

But in their perspective, mulitplayer has not been received well

[nova shoal]

A game mode like unreal tournaments warfare game mode would have been PERFECT for this

[frail bloom]

So it's understandable why they avoided it

But now with the new data

They might make a co-op horde mode in the future or smt

I see that sentiment passed around a lot

[nova shoal]

Dragons vs atlan would have been amazing potentially

[wintry nexus]

Plus a badass fur cape so that’s a win for me

[nova shoal]

Imagine smacking a dragon outta the sky lol and being on the ground when it happens

Crashing through a building perhaps lol

[split gate]

Slayer never looked so badass

[nova shoal]

I did alot of screenshot testing to see how the game handled the dragon and atlan segments and it truly does work without any sort of assett switching to fake the change in scale like most games do

[split gate]

A simple man like me only wants a classic horde mode for TDA, with no gimmicks like in Eternal

[frail bloom]

I am that shrimple man

[nova shoal]

It definitely needed coop

Most games need a coop mode

Also b
Companies need to stop removingg split screen for pc versions of games

[wintry nexus]

I liked the horde mode of eternal, but yeah, I agree wit ya

[nova shoal]

Thats so fucking jnsane tbat they remove split screen from a pc version when a pc would be much more capable of handling split screen

[split gate]

Oh I liked it too, but the extra stuff just wasn’t for me, I played the whole thing only once

[wintry nexus]

Skull crusher is the most metal fucking weapon in my opinion

[wintry nexus]

I only really played it for the rewards

[split gate]

Ravager my beloved

[split gate]

Same tbh, I want to play it for fun, I hope TDA will be like that

[wintry nexus]

RAVAGER YES, my favourite, the one that focuses on a less wide area right?

[nova shoal]

Like far cry 6..just wanted to play it with my nephews while he was visiting and it became a nightmare trying g to setup a trial account t for xbox gamepass so we could play o. Seperate computers but becuase its attatched to a Microsoft account that is also linked to a Windows installatio it nearly fucked up both my computers

[split gate]

Doom games are those games where most of the time you play just because it’s fun, not because of the grind or checklisting

Cough cough Ubisoft

Got me doing a chore list fr

Find 10 viewpoints ahh

[green estuary]

best part of the whole franchise

[wintry nexus]

Not even my dad’s sleep lasts as long to finish

“Ma, is dad awake?”
“No”
ITS 12 IN THE MORNING BRO

[nova shoal]

Im on mobile discord and I cant see what I rype as intype...only after I hot send and when I edit i cant see it either bullshit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333859780594503810/1399788209638084770/Screen_Recording_20250729_121723_Discord.mp4?ex=688a45db&is=6888f45b&hm=fadff8e42741796218fe1d7c0ad0635c691419d95957791d618922c769ac30e9&

does this happen to anyone else?

[split gate]

Bruhmoments.mp3

[nova shoal]

turning to landscape doesnt help

[split gate]

Maybe it’s a phone thing?

[wintry nexus]

From the ashes is so fucking peak bro

[nova shoal]

its definitely a phone thing, lol. just wondering if it happens to anyone elses phone

it didnt used to

[split gate]

My brain not mathing

[split gate]

Maybe restart phone?

[fleet spruce]

Or shut down the app and open it again

[wintry nexus]

I’m in the desert

The internet is so trash

Goddamn

[vital hearth]

the slow pace doesn't bother me much, though it still feels faster then doom 1 or doom 2

[wintry nexus]

What I don’t really understand is why did they make the quick switching like less accessible?? Idk how to explain it, like why is it when I shield bash or something I’m able to quick switch

[delicate grotto]

Shield parry shouldn’t interrupt switching, from what I’ve heard. The devs are looking into fixing it.

[green estuary]

because it would destroy the balance if you were able to animation cancel between weapons

[daring bridge]

how do I dash I cant find the button anywhere

[green estuary]

tda weapons deal a boat load of damage in to compensate for the fact that you can't quickswap with them like in 2016/eternal
now imagine if you were also able to quickswap while keeping the same high damage

[daring bridge]

quick switching was such a dumb/sweat mechanic tbh

[frail bloom]

There's no dashing

There's sprinting

Hold shift

You can also shield bash

[green estuary]

yeah you can't dash in tda
just go to settings and turn on auto-sprint if you wanna go fast all the time

[frail bloom]

Just don't jump a lot

[wintry nexus]

Can I send doom animations here

[daring bridge]

thats rough

I dont really like the parry thingy

like I wish all projectiles would be parriable cause the shield breaks too fast

[green estuary]

yeah that's where not getting hit comes into play

[shrewd mountain]

Shield bash is this games equivalent to dashing, its the most useful traversal movemejt

[wintry nexus]

I guess I won’t get an answer

[green estuary]

I mean I gave you an answer lol

[shrewd mountain]

Id say focus less on blocking and more on dodging attacks, only block for an incoming attack or parryable

If you dont like it, lower projectile speed or damage

[daring bridge]

easier said than done lmao, Im on ultra violence and spent like 40 minutes on the first boss in gold plate armor