the-dark-ages

[lunar spire]

Depends on when they throw us into the story with the DLC

[frail bloom]

Do you really think they'll retcon thousands of years

Like sure they've made mistakes

But none that big

[lunar spire]

no clue honestly

[frail bloom]

It's probably its own contained chapter

Just some of the high council and maybe the end of the cosmic realm

We still have the discovery of nekravol, civil war, betrayal, then the thousands of years he was in Hell

Which all can be their own games

[warm ibex]

Confirmed that we won't see those events (Betrayer's son dying, being trapped in Hell, tricked and entombed, etc.) in TDA dlc

during chapter five of Hugo's TDA playthrough

[dreamy kiln]

Will it be about the unholy crusades and how the slayer got put to sleep in the tomb?

[half spindle]

It was billions since time in hell runs differently, so they might choose one single period when he gets praetor armor, but definitely not in TDA since it is not the last entry about night sentinels.

[frail bloom]

Not for the last bit

[dreamy kiln]

Aw man

[frail bloom]

Yes but I don't think we are getting several slayer testaments games either if it's 1000's of years or billions, I'd expect a timeskip for a main game

[lunar spire]

interesting, thank you for the update!

[frail bloom]

Doom games take place across 2 days at most lmao

So if we ever focused on the slayers testaments, it would do several timeskips

But just for that game

In like 2035 or smt

[half spindle]

Hugo said that the next game will be about night sentinels as well. So im excited but that will happen only in few years, since tda just released.

I hope for more of the cosmic realm in dlc.

[frail bloom]

No I know we gotta flesh that stuff out first, but whenever they make the gake exclusively in Hell, they're most likely gonna do timeskips

[frail bloom]

Ye we gotta kill the witch

[half spindle]

For sure.

[frail bloom]

End that cosmic realm arc

[warm ibex]

yeah no problem! I'd say they could probably make another game or two before we reach that point in the timeline

[lunar spire]

that would be amazing honestly.

[half spindle]

Honestly now they have a chance to continue doom eternal story. Now we have an entirely new dimension.

[frail bloom]

Do we need to

We have billions of years in content

Why would the witch strike back after billions of years anyway

[half spindle]

Itll become a lil repetetive imo.

[frail bloom]

I don't see it as such, especially if they introduce other realms

[half spindle]

I dont think that the witch is the only threat in cosmic realm.

[frail bloom]

Apparently the cosmic realm existed

So the team can make up a realm and go from there

[half spindle]

True.

[frail bloom]

Each game would have a specific realm

[half spindle]

Dunno

I believe cosmic realm could be expanded more.

[dreamy kiln]

I'm hoping we get lore on how it was formed and such

[frail bloom]

All depends on dlc

I don't see them answering it in another game so it better be soon

[dreamy kiln]

They might revisit the cosmic realm for doom eternals sequel

[warm ibex]

I agree

[frail bloom]

Why would it be repetetive to go chronologically

[half spindle]

Billions of years in hell?

[frail bloom]

You would most likely hsve the civil war next, and then the slayers testaments

Trust me you only need one game for the slayers testaments

You just need some timeskips

[warm ibex]

Despite really enjoying TDA and the medieval aesthetic I honestly don't want to stick with the Sentinels for the next few games. I'd prefer if they time skipped into the Argenta Civil War and ended it there

[warm ibex]

Completely disagree

[frail bloom]

How so

[warm ibex]

TDA is a part of the Slayers Testaments

that's already at least two games

[frail bloom]

What I mean is the stuff with him in hell

The late slayers testaments is what I meant

Exclusively in Hell

[warm ibex]

ah I getcha

[dreamy kiln]

I agree, the Sentinel theme would probably get a little boring after awhile

[warm ibex]

I think that would get a bit boring too

[frail bloom]

Trust me it won't

[warm ibex]

and this is entirely personal, but I don't really care about what the Slayer did in Hell

[frail bloom]

I'm making concepts abt it right now you can do a lot

Hell itself can have several different aesthetics

Volcano, crystals, factory, galaxy whatever comes to mind

Maybe some flashback levels

[half spindle]

We had hell in every game, id love to see an entire game centered about cosmic realm.

[frail bloom]

Orrrrr just make a new realm and have it conquered by Hell

[dreamy kiln]

They already did some sorta factory/facility in legacy of rust

[half spindle]

They need to expand the universe.

[frail bloom]

That's what I wanna draw

[warm ibex]

when did we get to this point were we gotta explore every single bit of everything, you know? He was trapped in Hell and fucked shit up for a while, same thing he's always done. I dunno if I really want to play through that instead of a continuation of the Eternal storyline

[half spindle]

Why new, when cosmic realm can offer so much?

[frail bloom]

I never said to end it, just have more in there

[half spindle]

Then I agree.

But still.

Cosmic Realm can act as new hell at least for one game.

[frail bloom]

The reason why the idea is so appealing to me is bc it's a blank slate. All we know is that he rampaged. You can add so much areas, focus on his grief and suffering, not bog down gameplay with too many cutscenes. You can do so much

[frail bloom]

Hell is a collection of realms. When you think of Hell, it's not fire and brimstone only, it's a melting pot of different conquered realms and with that comes different aesthetics

[dreamy kiln]

He needs a new mission instead of "kill anything that comes from hell"

[frail bloom]

Maybe I need to draw a bunch more concepts to convince some of y'all

[half spindle]

Cosmic realm can offer just as much and not only Ctulhu.

[frail bloom]

It'll take time but it can work

[half spindle]

Hell as well.

But I wanted something fresh

And CR offered a tonn of it.

[regal ruin]

For real the dlc should be entirely in the cosmic realm

Ik it doesn’t match with the ending but cmon

[grim cloud]

I bet next game involves the crusades, but we shall see. A trilogy during hte dark ages?

[half spindle]

Purple caco supremacy.

[grim cloud]

Cacomega

[regal ruin]

More cosmic hybrids please please

[dreamy kiln]

That's what I would want

[half spindle]

Cacoalfa

[regal ruin]

Hugo martin if you can hear me please save us

[frail bloom]

Plus, the game with the least variety is probably 2016

[dreamy kiln]

From what?

[frail bloom]

You can't go lower than that

[regal ruin]

He needs to give us more cosmic enemies

[dreamy kiln]

I don't think every demon should have a cosmic design, but some would be alright

[regal ruin]

Where in that sentence did i ever say every demon

[frail bloom]

Here maybe I'll share some concepts

[safe bridge]

anyone has any idea when the DLC will be launched?

[warm ibex]

Nothing has been said

[half spindle]

Probably autumn-winter 2025.

[dreamy kiln]

I mean not that many demons should have a cosmic variant and only a few

[safe bridge]

dang im so impatient 😄

[regal ruin]

i think the majority should when you’re in the cosmic realm

[half spindle]

I agree with that.

[regal ruin]

not even like a full overhaul just a design change

[safe bridge]

i wish they implement the weekly or limited rewards like DOOM ETERNAL

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1391253063720898651/2025070423001420.jpg?ex=68766da2&is=68751c22&hm=7025ffc24e03cc106ff8cccbf73ec4172b6da2cbacdc92d690d7c86eb3e80b60&
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1392909354247917628/2025070922213778.jpg?ex=6876856d&is=687533ed&hm=bcf5de10ba2b261e633d50a98f9dc6f09de37710c6d80f1443a8a09c47f7ec7a&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1387235676658991104/2025062216015837.png?ex=687650a6&is=6874ff26&hm=80ee9f8d366163fd24bc5897d05c5b07de0ea5a22970e3e7a8d1e27257e96d67&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1386794936527229219/2025061418220363.png?ex=6876b06e&is=68755eee&hm=054667f2b70b77e5e5b2d5394fd0dbb9be14bc2a3171804396ba887715ffd7c5&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1386432463160479865/2025060816202083.png?ex=6876b059&is=68755ed9&hm=31246c4a8d756d8abdf91b78df49609f9b91a348ee1e98ad8812610620aff415&
@half spindle

[dreamy kiln]

Maybe like the imps, hell knights and barons, but for bigger demons like the cyberdemon or something shouldn't have a redesign

[safe bridge]

[frail bloom]

Sorry for that I just wanted to share

[regal ruin]

Dude a cosmic cyberdemon would be awesome why would you ever say no to that

[frail bloom]

I got way more btw

[grim cloud]

probably next year

[frail bloom]

It's just some ideas

[dreamy kiln]

That's just an example

[regal ruin]

Well the cosmic cyberdemon would probably be the coolest fucking thing ever but that’s just my opinion

[warm ibex]

I mean good artwork, absolutely! Just not something I'm personally even remotely interested in

[dreamy kiln]

I would say cosmic icon of sin but the old one exists, but a cosmic archvile would be cool

[frail bloom]

I'm trying to include some sort of story line too, it's just that since it has no real recording of its events by detail yu gotta make it come to life through new aesthetics and a different type of storyline doom hasen't really tried

[regal ruin]

if the variants look even half as cool as the cacodemon hybrid that would be sick asf

[frail bloom]

Honestly I got a lot of work to do

But I'll do it

[dreamy kiln]

Idk how vassago would work in the modern games

[regal ruin]

when will they stop milking doom and reboot quake

[frail bloom]

It's not the same vassago

[warm ibex]

I get what you're going for and I love the creativity behind it man. Diversity within hell or the narrative themes they could explore have no impact on how I feel though. Part of the appeal and mystique of that time period is that we know next to nothing about it, and I think it should stay that way permanently

[frail bloom]

Just like how demons have different speces

[dreamy kiln]

Agreed, quake needs a reboot or sequel, and no quake champions doesn't count

[grim cloud]

so, is it safe to assume the Hell Barons are just sitting in hell, not involved with that last invasions

[frail bloom]

Oh I get that last part, but me personally why go beyond killing the dark lord of Hell, it's just different persepctives on what's worth while

[grim cloud]

i guess osme of them humped shambler,

[frail bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1387143160546852884/2025060714022739.png?ex=6876a33d&is=687551bd&hm=df3f53f5d8a7a5f84e5157b8756fc8b65df186ceb7a48cdf2d609bfc44ec4620&

[regal ruin]

Stroggification 4k

[frail bloom]

For you Zemini

[lunar spire]

I have a running theory that the xyvorian conclave was a subsect of the strogg

[grim cloud]

those are some big baron mits

[frail bloom]

I know you love them classic barons

[lunar spire]

not based on much, but it is just a theory

[regal ruin]

quake reboot with trent reznor returning for the soundtrack

[lunar spire]

mainly cuz we have basically zero information on them

[warm ibex]

bring back the reznor ranger grunts

[regal ruin]

i didn’t even know he did that that’s hilarious

i love trent reznor

[dreamy kiln]

They need something like a hexen or heretic 3, I think if they had the doom and hexen universe connected(idk if it already is or not) I think that would be good variety, especially for different character classes and enemies

[frail bloom]

Anyways gotta keep going with my train of thought

Can't wait to draw the city of Dis

And the Coiled City that's gonna be fun

[harsh egret]

meanwhile im slacking on my accelerator stuff

[solar cairn]

On the dev streams, they said that the dlc will not be difficult as in Eternal, so there is no point in waiting, except for the sake of the plot

The most important thing is some variation of the horde mode and master levels, so that players can at least challenge themselves somewhere

[harsh egret]

at least ur cooking still so keep it up

[harsh egret]

u dont need the dlc to be the same difficulty as eternal's dlc.
Hugo said it still will be harder than the base game, and the base game is getting harder with the recent updates and balance stuff. Base sliders imo should be in a good state with the QC update, and max sliders will be a pretty big challenge with the dlc lol.
But i agree with the horde mode/master levels stuff, hopefully we get enough on that front to have a decent amount of the greater challenge those would provide (also according to hugo so ye)

[solar cairn]

Regarding the QC update, there are rumors about minor weapon edits, but not sliders and a potential first master level - the village of Kalim and that’s it. Why, do they want to make the parry window even less?

[warm ibex]

They want to make that an option for people who like that sort of challenge

[harsh egret]

not sure what u mean by weapon edits.
imo master levels are rumored to come as much as horde mode or whatever other side-gamemode they talked about that they will have
the parry window from what hugo said will get an extra level on the sliders for a rly hard setting

he said it would be pixel perfect almost or smth

[warm ibex]

they referred to it as "sekiro mode"

[harsh egret]

yep

[warm ibex]

also hey hato, how's it going

[harsh egret]

yoyo doing great just hangin around waiting for quakecon hah, hbu

[warm ibex]

hell yeah man good to hear, just about the same lol

things have died down a bit but we should be back up with the qc update

[harsh egret]

yeah i cant play the game anyway cuz it performs bad on my laptop here while on vacation but im back right before qc so for me i dont mind :d

but ik its been pretty dry

im expecting at least one master level and horde mode or whatever that will be

also pretty interested in what nightdive will have to show

[solar cairn]

I meant the weakening of Impaler and SSG, and other guns can be slightly improved

[harsh egret]

ye afaik they're working on a few balance changes for the strongest weapons atm

[solar cairn]

I wonder what online in Game Pass, because in Steam everything is quite sad, I like the game madly, as long as it is not abandoned against the background of cuts in other game studios and budget cuts

[harsh egret]

They said they would support the game for a year+

Similar to eternal

[warm ibex]

quake 4 remaster would be ideal (but I'm secretly hoping for an updated Doom 64 port with an id Vault)

[grim cloud]

i hope we get more than that... we need Wolfenstein 2009 playable before they go back and fix another id shooter that isn't imo

[solar cairn]

It would be cool to have another fan service. Eternal has a collection of cheats, music, its own executioner’s room, a training ground, and so far there are not even normal skins with a separate model

[grim cloud]

I would also take quake 3 with SP and Herectic/Hexen kex engine

[warm ibex]

For the general public that's the better option, no doubt

I'm interested in Doom 64's cut content more than anything though so an id Vault for their 2020 remaster is my personal pick

[harsh egret]

For me i would be kinda hyped if it was a doom 3 remaster lol

[warm ibex]

that would be very nice too

[harsh egret]

Not for everyone but something that i hope gets a remaster anyway

At some point if not now

[warm ibex]

complete widespread remaster with the OG and BFG editions on all platforms. and an id vault

[harsh egret]

yees

[solar cairn]

It seems to me that there is not such a big team to throw energy into it, let TDA continue to develop

[harsh egret]

This would be nightdive studio doing it tho

Was talking about them since they said they will have something to announce at quakecon

So its a separate team

They did the doom 1+2 remaster stuff

[solar cairn]

Well, Doom 3 is still much bigger and more complicated in scale, there are definitely 10 years between games, if not more

[harsh egret]

Eh, i dont think its not doable

[grim cloud]

DOOM 2016 Remaster? Bonus campaign between the events of eternal and 2016. It has been 9 years ... i mean BFG edition came out about that much later

Just saying ...

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[warm ibex]

now that is a bigger project lol

not one that I'm against though (depending on who makes it)

[grim cloud]

id interns make it, they need to learn the id tech 6 at some point? but ill make it if needed

[warm ibex]

let me do it

I can handle it

https://tenor.com/view/argent-cell-doom-angry-game-crush-gif-16148702

[grim cloud]

too late, i already made a story board

if they add the 2016 assets to Idstudio ... hell yah ill actually try

[umbral flint]

Is there going to be any updates soon?

[grim cloud]

most assets shoudlnt be hard to add, its just the way textures work in idtech6 that make it complicated

[warm ibex]

Huge update in less than a month

August 7th, big post-launch QuakeCon update

[grim cloud]

ill be at qc in person, no wife or kids, jsut me, video games, texas steak and wine

[warm ibex]

hell yeah dude

[harsh egret]

jealous

[warm ibex]

I'd love to join you guys one year

[umbral flint]

Whats it gojng to add?

[warm ibex]

We don't know yet!

[umbral flint]

Ok thanks for lettjng me know

[harsh egret]

I like to think a master level is the bare minimum, pretty much confirmed in my head

[grim cloud]

Khalim maybe the first. I hope they do them in campaign order

[harsh egret]

i hope they make every level but i also think thats quite a bit of work, depends how long it takes them to make them tho, i wouldn't know

[solar cairn]

Master levels in Eternal practically killed me, I don’t know how to use quickswitch, so I barely closed the cultist base on the nightmare

[grim cloud]

earlier master levels were better imo, it just got too ludicrous later on

[harsh egret]

Hmm, i disagree tbh

[grim cloud]

all of which was compouned by not being able to save mid level

[harsh egret]

I like the later ones way better than the early ones

[grim cloud]

i htink a compromise can be made somewhere in the middle

esp for the first master lvel, id say go crazy for the final act in tda master levels

[solar cairn]

Are we waiting for 5 space barons on each site?

[grim cloud]

yah bugs were what slowed down eternal master levels because they were builts on top of one another. Not sure how it works in tda

did they scale encounters better with TDA? who knows

[solar cairn]

I hope there will be no Aggadon’s hounds in the master levels, such a boring mob, it’s almost impossible to kill it quickly, you need to choose a combination, plus the gameplay slows down by waiting for parrying, as if the marauder was not so infuriating

[grim cloud]

oh they be adding them for sure. Probalby more Gold level monsters. There is even a gold mancubus we havn't seen yet in retail

[harsh egret]

Oh yeah prepare to see more big bois like the agaddon

[dull eagle]

Hey does anyone know some good challenge runs to do on doom tda? I’ve beat the game on nightmare without much problem and want a challenge but can’t think of anything good

[solar cairn]

Wait for August 7

[dull eagle]

What’s happening then?

[harsh egret]

I mean u can still do some increased slider difficulty UN or smth meanwhile

[harsh egret]

Big quakecon content update

And balance stuff, not sure if it comes before or with that

[dull eagle]

I see I hadn’t heard of it

[harsh egret]

Yeah Hugo talks about these things on the weekly streams usually

[dull eagle]

Where does he stream? I am kinda new to the doom stuff I started when tda came out

[harsh egret]

Actually the quakecon update stuff was on Mayo's stream funnily enough but either way

[harsh egret]

Bethesda channel on yt and twitch

[dull eagle]

Okay thank you 🙏

[harsh egret]

Thursdays at 5 pm central iirc

[dull eagle]

Alr

[waxen rivet]

Ain't no way Frieren in here that crazy

https://tenor.com/view/kita-ikuyo-ikuyo-kita-bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-kita-gif-6498281784888629703

[dull eagle]

🙏

[green echo]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-mesmerizer-gif-1651698684609187246

[waxen rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/utau-vocaloid-kasane-teto-teto-kasane-pearto-gif-2494200894477635410

[frail bloom]

No it's still worth it. Hugo doesn't want it hard to the point that it closes off those who want to experience the expansion casually. Since they are releasing master levels and balancing around acts 2 and 3, I'd expect the dlc to still be a fairly challenging experience. Btw, Hugo also said it will hold the smartest, most well thought combat encounters in the game, having that after some master levels only means good things

[green echo]

B A G U E T T E

[frail bloom]

You can't be cherrypicking

[green echo]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-bald-explosion-explode-gif-6656963363388285940

[solar cairn]

I didn’t quite understand about the latter, after the introduction of several master levels, will the balance still be corrected?

[frail bloom]

Balances of what, weapons, enemies, what?

I expect acts 2 and 3 to become harder this quakecon

Since dlc is later in the timeline, it's gonna follow the difficulty and expand upon the campaign

[harsh egret]

If u meant the act 2 and 3 balance stuff, yes they are overall increasing the difficulty of the last 2 thirds of the game

They did this for act 1, aka first third of the game

[frail bloom]

Plus, they are balancing your character to compensate sorta

Like blocking while switching

To make the experience more smooth

[solar cairn]

About smartest combat encounters

[frail bloom]

In dlc? We don't know what they'll comprise of, we just know they'll be the most thought out and engaging

That might be new enemies, or better arena layout, or new mechanics

much like tag 1

[solar cairn]

Well, waiting..

[frail bloom]

Well it took 6-7 months from campaign to tag 1 so you're gonna wait a while

Honestly the idea that Levy and Hulshult were only given one month to compose for dlc is ridiculous

I do not want that to happen again

[solar cairn]

I’m not sure that this time the dlc will be divided into 2 parts, it’s not even clear if it will be big

[frail bloom]

We don't know much of anything but I personally think it'll come out earliest maybe february 2026 to latest being May 2026

All we know is that we're promised a quality expansion

Hopefully that's in everything

[solar cairn]

I think The Finishing Move will write music for dlc too

[frail bloom]

It's not that I just hope they have enough time

Now that they have some feedback they'll do better

[harsh egret]

I think its also about id software getting feedback so they know better what to ask of finishing move and what to accept and what not and so on

[frail bloom]

Plssss be true

[harsh egret]

(even if i think they already did pretty damn well but at this point i sound like a broken record bringing up the same topic)

[frail bloom]

No they did do well but I want better

I want this upcoming ost to be the definitive tda ost

[frail bloom]

Better than saying nothing tbh

[solar cairn]

Apparently, many were waiting for them to try to copy Gordon, but in the end they gave out their vision

[frail bloom]

And I love that

Hopefully they hone it

Refine it or smt

Like Argent energy lmao

[harsh egret]

I mean hugo literally didnt want mick gordon style of argent metal

Not for this game

[frail bloom]

Not argent metal

Like how argent energy is refined hell energy

[harsh egret]

Just mick gordon anything, they didnt want that, and it makes sense

[frail bloom]

It's like a simile

[umbral flint]

What cpu do i need to run the game? I have a i7 14th gen but i keep crashing when some sentinel ship crashes on the first level

[shrewd mountain]

Wsg fuckers im alive again

[meager vortex]

your pc spec please

[raw galleon]

finished my pandemonium run

idk how ppl have the mental fortitude for ultra nightmare lol

i died from some random attack from behind when i had 106 health earlier

[silent surge]

has anyone made a list of how many life sigils are in each level / the game?

[split gate]

To win UN, you must not have a job 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[raw galleon]

i work from home and have bad sleeping habits so im not far off

but yeah, would suck to get to like chapter 22 and die lol

the game is so long

[split gate]

I tell you, my hands were shaking when I got to Chapter 22 haha

[raw galleon]

yeah i ended up practicing that on my nightmare save beforehand and struggled a lot, ended up being a lot easier on pandemonium even though i died a few times

my first playthrough i did with minimum parry window which helps a bit i think, as went for default sliders on pandemonium

[raw drum]

Hell chat

[merry pumice]

Okay guys i’m slowly but surely closing in on an Azrak zero-cycle

Does anyone want to help workshop this with me in the near future

because i’m so close but I just need a little more theory or refinement

[umbral flint]

Sry for the late response but i got the game to work now

[lunar spire]

false, beat it first week, it wasn't that bad. you have to learn the combat systems and use them to their max capacity

But keep trying and you'll get it!

[stoic sleet]

Yall missed me

[frail bloom]

There's more than one of you?

Oh no

[stoic sleet]

How is more qm3ns bad?

Im sure you missed me alot

[frail bloom]

I will not reveal my fear

You will never know

[meager vortex]

17th ending is complete

for doom the dark ages

that mean is ahzrak died 17time lol

ahzrak:noooooooo!

kreed maykr:oh! no! not again!

witch:i boomed 17time!

hell priest:what a losers

doom guy:im coming for you!

[cold patio]

around 45-50 as far as i remember

you can check gametrek site for each chapter

[silent surge]

for life sigils?? i know eternal had 51. its that many? hmm. makes sense due to how many levels. its just where you can carry 3 at once it feels like less

[cold patio]

yep, in eternal you could carry more as far as i remember, but TDA only 3

[violet dune]

About three weeks ago there was a change made to the hell knights where they get de limbed after being shot once by the ssg. I play on Xbox and they still falter for an execution after being shot from the previous update. Can anyone explain this?

[silent surge]

up to 99, you could go back and get lives on nightmare. seems you can’t in tda once they’re gone

[silent surge]

are you connected to the internet to get the updates and also the “tunables”, which are the on-the-fly balance changes?

[oblique raft]

Any news for doom dark ages dlc yet

[split gate]

I beat it too haha, yeah, it’s a matter of knowing how to efficiently kill a demon as quickly as possible and to have a game plan for every arena

[lunar spire]

I suppose. I beat it 7th attempt

[violet dune]

I am. I play on gamepass if that makes a difference. I’m still affected by the first hell knight update where they falter for an execution after being shot so the tunables do work for me. This one just doesn’t seem to

[lunar spire]

The only guy I really needed to really worry about was ahzrak, and I spent an hour or two memorizing his attack patterns on nightmare and that was it really

[silent surge]

have you done 100% yet

[lunar spire]

I have!

It was.. really annoying for some of the secrets, but I loved it.

[silent surge]

i’ve been learning the 100% route. haven’t done regular UN though. just haven’t pushed for it til more lately.

[lunar spire]

OH you meant UN 100%, no

[silent surge]

yea UN 100

[lunar spire]

I have done regular UN, not 100% UN

Apologies, I misunderstood. I did 100% on my second time through the game

[silent surge]

i should probably do a regular UN run before trying a Un 100% but o well. i’ve done 1 UN attempt so far that got to siege 1 and i stopped.
my current Nm 100% is going into level 12 without any death so that’s going

[cosmic sky]

Hey everyone, new to the chat but I’m needing a bit of help. I’m trying to get my Xbox account linked to Bethesda’s and it says in my linked accounts that it’s connected but whenever I boot up dark ages it’s telling me that there’s an entirely different account linked and I can’t figure out a way to change it. I’ve tried contacting Bethesda’s support but they haven’t been able to help at all.

[lunar spire]

Sick!!! I was a lil dummy and went straight to UN before pandemonium, so I still have to do that at some point, but I like going for the harder stuff right off rip. Its so much more fun to full send the BS mode haha

[lunar spire]

My first two got to the armored pinkie that gives you the health buff where you first learn about armor, the third got to siege part 1, fourth got to cosmic realm, fifth got to ahzrak, sixth killed ahzrak on his first run around and then I died to something stupid on the next level, then seventh I had the combat loop down enough by then that I cleared. I really enjoyed it, it felt fair and balanced as opposed to when I tried UN on doom eternal. I don't have the time to sink 500+ hours into a game to learn one campaign. I'll only do that on a survival game or something over the span of a year or so.

[hasty stone]

Patch this week prolly

[silent surge]

you kept advancing each attempt, nice
that first pinky in aratum? could skip that fight

this campaign is a lot longer than eternal, think it’ll be quicker to master?

[lunar spire]

Honestly, it is way faster to master because once you learn how to build your slayer and treat it like an RPG or buildcrafting game, it gets way easier imo

I have a lot of time in destiny 2, and the way that shield play interacts with both add clearing and stun locking really clicked with me. I use the shield probably more than I use my guns, but if you want an almost guaranteed UN dub, use the impaler

[silent surge]

impalers super good, accelerator too

[lunar spire]

I didn't know that actually. I thought you had to kill it to get the barrier down. I'd have to replay it again because my memory of it is kinda foggy, I've been stuffing it with stuff for my cert exam and pushed pretty much any other knowledge out haha

[silent surge]

are we thinking of the same fight

city of aratum, where you kill a titan to land and charge a gore nest. gold is under you (you don’t have to glory kill the titans either)

health heart reward

imps, nightmare imps

[lunar spire]

Probably not. My memory of it is hazy. It is the fight with the pinkie rider that comes out of the portal with armor, after killing everything in the arena after jumping out of the sentinel facility. I actually think its the same one you get the acellerator from.

same level*

[silent surge]

ahhh yeah that’s the hebeth final fight level 2

recently was buffed with hell knights

[lunar spire]

yeah that's the one. Oh fr???? I am gonna have to replay it then. The first time through felt too easy imo.

[silent surge]

a lot of act 1 got buffs. acts 2 and 3 will be getting buffs

and one room in act 1 is getting pulled back a little

[lunar spire]

Which room? Is it the hell knight spam one haha

[silent surge]

impaler room, some stone imps getting pulled back

that room is actually not bad once you get the hang of it. ricochet does work

[lunar spire]

yeah, and having parries do AOE hard falters from first shield upgrade is great for it too. gives you breathing room.

[silent surge]

more depth to this game than people give credit

[lunar spire]

Seriously!!! That's what I've said ever since I completed the campaign first time!

I'm helping someone write a script for a video on that exact kind of thing!

This one was honestly my favorite doom, because it felt like its combat had the most time put into it before anything else. It felt extremely polished, well planned (except for the strength of the impaler), and the story was amazing as a doom lore nerd.

It gave me exactly what I was wanting out of the game, every single drop of it.

[silent surge]

do i know em i wonder?

[silent surge]

i’ve enjoyed it a lot

[lunar spire]

@rare wolf

[silent surge]

ahh nice. i know how to say that sauce name. at least i feel like i do
haven’t crossed paths on youtube yet

[lunar spire]

It be him :)

I had some points I disagreed with in his review of the game, but I have some interesting thoughts on the design philosophy behind the combat.

[silent surge]

ahh you’ll have that. won’t agree on everything. though people will find ways to hate on dark ages just to argue it feels like

[hasty stone]

Master levels with random AI would be good so it would be different every time

[lunar spire]

He at least put it out there with good points and constructive feedback, so I don't really have any need to directly disagree with him, and plan to continue working with him on it

[silent surge]

randomizer would be nuts

[silent surge]

@rare wolf can link up your youtube to discord

[lunar spire]

That's kinda my boundary with hate on TDA. If you can articulate why you don't like it, great! Glad you feel that way!

But so many people just.. don't like it because it isn't eternal, and quite frankly I don't find that to be a valid enough argument to hate the game.

[silent surge]

i’ve said the same thing. idc if you disagree with me just have a reason to and not just try and bait me or have no reason

[rare wolf]

thanks!!!

[silent surge]

which you did that with spotify i mean

[rare wolf]

one sec mid OW game

[lunar spire]

Yup. It makes me genuinely lose all interest in interaction if someone tries to do that, or attempt to bait me into argument about lore stuff. I don't have enough patience to argue about silly video game lore

I just really like my silly little doom guy, and the lore of it reminding me to be unrelenting and push for being better than I was the day before. I ain't here to yap about who is stronger, goku or the doom slayer

the writer chooses anyway, and I also don't care :P

[rare wolf]

preach. some people just wanted TAG 3

[compact hemlock]

Heya Samir, several folk in the community have mentioned it could be interesting to explore this idea. I am curious to know what the internal feedback ends up being if id Software try it out. It could end up being one of those things that sounds good in our heads but ends up not working out. I'm glad Hugo seemed receptive to the idea because as the saying goes "nothing ventured nothing gained".

I think a change like this might allow the encounters to become a bit crazier and it might allow the skill ceiling to go even higher. One thing I'd say is that The Dark Ages succeeded in creating a more learnable set of systems compared to Eternal. Because many of the core ways to succeed at the game revolve around one tool rather than several I just think its a 'better' system, if your goal is to allow as many players as possible to 'master' the game that is. But there's just some changes that tinker at the edges which might afford the game a higher skill ceiling and I think shielded swaps on successfully executing another mechanic (like parrying) could help here. It would also help with conditioning players to parry more often if they feel like they can swap weapons after a parry. It's also not a trade-off entirely in the players favor, because you can't shoot your gun whilst its swapping, but you can obviously block.

Anyway, sorry for the long essay but I appreciate its a late reply so wanted to make it a decent one.

[rare wolf]

I believe I also heard that they were working on a change to allow you to continue using your shield while swapping weapons, which in my opinion would be a lot better for the game's identity. I don't think the game needs to lean into a mechanic that makes it more like doom eternal, it needs a mechanic that makes it more like doom the dark ages. More shield play while giving the player options during weapon swaps is the exact kind of change this game needs

[spare solar]

I am very disappointed with D:TDA, It's not the doom I know anymore.

[fleet spruce]

Elaborate

[rain glen]

hey guys any news on the dlc

im guessing it will probably take somwhere in hell because last time we saw him he was in the maykrs ship

after killing casoh and azrakh im guessing hes gonna make that his back up fortress of doom

[fleet spruce]

Decent chunk of it will probably be in hell, and i think Cosmic Realm will return there as well

[lunar spire]

What other doom games have you played, out of curiosity?

[spare solar]

classic ones, 2016, and eternal

[lunar spire]

What about it makes you feel as though it is not the doom you know? Specifics, please.

You're a rare one so I'd love to pick your brain on this

[merry sapphire]

really crazy how they had one month and still put out stuff that rivals with mick

[merry sapphire]

well yeah its a different doom like how doom eternal was different to 2016 and how that game was different to the classics

[spare solar]

WHERE IS MICK, WHERE IS GLORY KILLS

[merry sapphire]

mick was gone for years brah Let it go. he wasn't even on the dlc for doom eternal. also the glory kills got removed cause of pacing and honestly a wise decision from the devs

[spare solar]

ik

[little flare]

if only bethesda didnt try to fuck over mick

[maiden onyx]

That's so real, icl doom has consistently gotten me out of dark patches, each time a different doom game has done it so they're all super special to me

[fleet spruce]

No need for Mick when they're cooking absolute fire like Steel Beyond Grave and Into the Void just for example tbh

[vague sinew]

New music has mixing problems imo.
all the instruments have the volume knobs at like the same level, the guitar gets buried especially from drums

drums are super loud, guitars get buried from them!

nonetheless the music is good 👍

[harsh egret]

u still feel like the mixing has issues after the patch that fixed it?

at least imo it did

[vague sinew]

Yeah ingame mixing is now like 90% better but the drums are super loud

I tried listening to the music on YouTube then Spotify but even then some issues still are there

[north spire]

Also Mick isn’t the only Doom composer, Levy and Hulshult also did a very good job with IDKFA and half of TAG

[hard thistle]

Oh yeah the guitar is pretty subdued compared to Mick's stuff

Also Doomguy lowkey looks like Marty Stratton

[north spire]

And Finishing Move Inc delivered some very good tracks

in addition to tracks that I find to be kind of boring, but still

I do hope that if Finishing Move do come back, they improve their style and deliver something that’s truly exceptional

Or alternatively, the dlc could have a mix of Finishing Move tracks + tracks from another composer like Hulshult

Heck, Geoffrey Day would also be a really good choice too

[left badge]

Whats good

[little flare]

hola

[fleet spruce]

Precisely

People often forget this

[fleet spruce]

That'd be really cool, having FM, Hulshult and Levy working on the same game would be incredible

[split gate]

Your opinion is the complete opposite of mine and people here 👀, I’m interested to see why you think so

[vague sinew]

Dtda is the most classic doom out of the new trilogy.

[split gate]

This is exactly how I feel. It feels more like the classics

I haven’t seen a good argument why TDA isn’t closer to the classics, but I’m willing to change my mind if a good reason pops up.

[vague sinew]

Eternal and 2016 are more oriented towards a quake 3 arena gameplay

[spare solar]

well the most biggest reason is about it's combat system. first they have deleted glory kills. glory kills had lots of variants, which made me fell every kill SPECIAL. second they have added shield. I know, parrying or smth is cool but.. it's not the doom i knew before. and also they are making slower game speed, which loses the fun of previous dooms.

[vague sinew]

Hell, hordes of enemies, ssg point blank oneshotting 3 imps, the big fucking crossbow working like the og bfg!

Focus on horizontal movement instead of verticality

Only thing missing is strafing

[subtle wyvern]

You can still get the original glory kills in some instances

[split gate]

Glory kills were considered for TDA. However, given the combat loop and the amount of enemies, they found it jarring, and I’d take their word for it given that id knows what they’re doing when it comes to game design and that playing the game myself, it would ruin the pacing of the combat. It was actually a criticism in 2016 and Eternal too. Not saying glory kills are bad, I’m just saying there have been critiques for it. The shield is a new addition but so was the Meathook, which allowed for more aerial combat, which was not in the classics. This leads to why TDA is more closer to the classics: the movement and constant projectile dodging. You are constantly moving in between projectiles and you are quite grounded. Movement along the horizontal plane is more emphasised than ever. This is what you’re doing most of the time in the classics, which is why I believe TDA is not only a good Doom game, but also the one that pays homage to the classics the most

id is one of the developers I’ve seen who takes community reception to account more. They would definitely know how much glory kills mean for the community and they would not take it out unless it is for a good reason

[harsh egret]

tldr stop putting too much focus on what isnt there in this game as if this game just took away stuff from the previous game and added nothing in return

[split gate]

Exactly. See the game for what it is. It’s not saying that we shouldn’t compare; comparison is important to improve. But if the game is intentionally going in a different direction than it’s predecessor then we need to look at the game by itself more

[harsh egret]

no meathook? we have the shield
no glory kills? we have a cool ass combo system that has more depth to it than u realize + nice ragdoll physics

well the combo stuff isnt tied to the finishers but just talking about what the melee system in general which is so much better than the blood punch + you arent locked in on finishers now, u can turn while you punch/kick when u finish off demons

the pacing of it is just perfect imo

[split gate]

It makes sense as well. Normal melee attacks by video game standard should cause effective damage. I found the normal punch in Eternal weird considering how minuscule the damage was. I get it is for the combat loop but it still feels off. Melee should still give small to moderate damage, not miniscule

[harsh egret]

yeah i cant say the melee system itself was great, sure it tied well into the combat loop but still a bit weird

[wheat sigil]

i think it'd be a bad choice for eternal's base punch to deal damage, but that's a whole other topic lol

[split gate]

Also you aren’t constantly weapon switching in the classics for weapon combos. I love weapon switching but this is another reason why TDA is closer to the classics

My bad, I didn’t mean to reply to your message

[solar cairn]

I think giving up glory kills was a sound idea, in fact, now the gameplay feels seamless, they would just like to add a couple of animations, otherwise 1 kick with a foot and a shield is too boring

[wheat sigil]

no gks was definitively a good design choice

[vivid flicker]

Sometimes i would jump from an elevated area just to glorykill

[harsh egret]

maybe something they can dig into with their next game, have more glorykills but make it optional like it is right now, either by jumping or tying it to a separate keybind so that you can perform glory kills whenever u feel like it, and otherwise u press the normal keybind for the normal finishing move (pun intended :d)

[old siren]

Yes. I am not a fan of crystal clear mixes, but this is not good enough. Guitars get buried, vocals get buried, violins get buried any instrument that is not the drums is getting buried in the mix most of the times.

The music is decent it's just hard to hear because of the mixing choices. This is less of a problem when listening to the OST outside the game (although still not good enough for me) but in-game it's too far from perfect. I have needed to reduce everything's volume back to 60-70% and leave the music on 100% to have a somewhat similar cut through with the music that I have expected - and ofc. that didn't fix the mixing problems of the music itself, just at least I was able to hear it better in-game

...and yeah, I love the OST, musically. I hear the good ideas and the effort, Finishing Move did their homework. It's just need a better mix.

also the Dynamic Music Module could use a bit of finetuning as I still experience latency with the music, sometimes it completely misses the action, sometimes it starts playing heavy bits while I am just wandering around looking for secrets and literally no enemies are around.

[vague sinew]

yeah you're on point

i hope they will learn from this in the dlc

[north spire]

You can increase the game speed to something more preferable if you wish

[north spire]

…unless it’s Eternal’s fast travel, I miss that :(

[wheat sigil]

they removed an intentional way of teleporting, and added an unintentional way to teleport... lol

[north spire]

I think it probably would have been a better option if glory kills were able to be turned on/off, but I imagine they probably would have required a lot of manpower

Then again, 2016 and Eternal also had a lot of demons and animations so

[harsh egret]

to me its not that big of a complaint, i never even used fast travel once in eternal i think

but maybe to some, sure

[halcyon idol]

doom stache

[north spire]

Ok but considering how big some of these maps are, fast travel could have helped with collectables

[halcyon idol]

consider how awesome my doom stache is

[north spire]

:o

[halcyon idol]

wdym by fast travel anyways

[harsh egret]

for sure, just to me personally it doesnt affect me

[north spire]

Fair enough

[harsh egret]

wouldve been nice to have for those who want it for sure.

[wheat sigil]

at the end of missions in eternal you could teleport to any part of the level, useful if you for needed a collectible for example

[halcyon idol]

I meant in terms of The Dark Ages

does he want it implemented or...

[split gate]

I see what you mean but I believe the decision to not include it was because it just didn’t fit with the gameplay loop. You have sliders of course, but glory kill modification changes everything. The sliders customise the experience but they aren’t meant to specifically alter the design, only enhance it

[cold patio]

we got playable doom gif lol

[frail bloom]

That's how I feel ye. It stands on its own and it's very enjoyable to listen to, but sometimes there are parts where they weren't tuned to have their own wave lentgh for you to hear and as a result, it can mush together. I heard Apple music actually has the ost in losseless quality so I might try that out

It's a genuine 8/10, it could be a 9/10 if it included the unique parts that are missing due to time constraints and if the sound of the mix wasn't mushy, it's not like that all the time btw but it's noticeable in...

the melody during Divine Retribution
The crazy drop in Into the Void
The filthy riff drop in From the Ashes
The end of From the Ashes
The end of Unholy siege

These are some examples, I really hope either Apple music fixes this or they improve for dlc

[old siren]

Doesn't change a thing from mixing perspective. It's just better bitrate, it doesn't change mixing

[frail bloom]

No ye I want better sound

I know it doesn't change the mix itself

It's a shame bc you don't want to feel like you heard a cool part, you should just be able to hear it

[frail bloom]

Colussus Unleashed cough cough

[solar cairn]

I don’t remember, maybe someone asked Hugo to do it..

[cold patio]

allow me to send the playable doom gif

[solar cairn]

I’m really looking forward to adding a slowmo shutdown for melee attacks in August

[cold patio]

slowmo are annoying af

probably will feel weird when they change it in future, since we got used to slowmo

[solar cairn]

Well, there is a mod on the Nexus, quickly transfer it and that’s it

[cold patio]

ye ik about nexus mod, but don't like to use mods, since most of times they're game breaking

[wheat sigil]

it doesn't break the game in any way

and if that's your experience with mods, you must've been unlucky with them

[cold patio]

nope, that's what i hear most times, i've seen lots of people unable to play a game even after deleting mods, ofc single mod won't cause any trouble, but I'm not big fan of mods unless they're meant for performance improvements

[inner mauve]

Guy guys

Wait I can't post images

[cold patio]

mods says so

[wheat sigil]

admittedly i haven't modded a ton of games, but i haven't had any issues like that with any of them
and for eternal in particular, i'm running almost 30 mods at any given time

and i've played a bunch more

[cold patio]

i like mods honestly, the game breaking ones are uncommon, but expected, what makes me hate mods that games updates will break it and u gotta wait for creator to fix it

i used several mods before, made lots of games playable for me cuz performance was sht, but mod changed that

[silent surge]

excuse me what

https://youtu.be/TeyaqaVbBco?si=ioiFtUyWmT8B2wix

[silver flame]

im not shocked

someone always manages

[cold patio]

welp, I'll go back to my 100% game speed

[silent surge]

this is a 40-50 hour run

[silver flame]

like if zero master can sit and play classic doom nightmare like as if its a casual ultra violence run nothing is obviously impossible at this point

[silent surge]

done under 7

[solar cairn]

At 100 percent it’s a different game compared to 150

[cold patio]

i prefer it at 100%

[silent surge]

100 no slow mo is great

150 is cool too though without slow mo is tricky

[cold patio]

i like to enjoy slow paced shooting, not to be overwhelmed by the projectiles everywhere, people will play at 150% cuz of fast swapping

[wheat sigil]

150 no slow mo is even cooler

[cold patio]

ye slowmo is pretty stupid ahh idea

[silver flame]

i play 130 no slow mo and least damage to monsters right now :3

with smallest parry window and fast projectiles

[cold patio]

i set dmg to demons 50% and ssg still one shoots everything lol

[silver flame]

which do you guys feel is more fun fastsest projectiles or slowest

[cold patio]

i prefer slowest

[silver flame]

i love it that way honestly

[cold patio]

ye i mean i play at easiest difficulty, don't like busting my ahh over hard run, just chill and casual run for fun not for getting mad and overwhelmed

I'm willing actually to try UN and see how hard it's, but not a fan of playing hard games

[raw drum]

Hell chat

[wheat sigil]

nah UN sucks

[raw drum]

Agreed

I threw my ass into un and the furthest I got was the super gore nest

[cold patio]

is that spike decoration 😭

[wheat sigil]

yessirr

[cold patio]

WHERE U GOT THAT :0

[wheat sigil]

go to quests and then watch the roughly minute long ad for brawl stars

can't guarantee it's still there though

[cold patio]

didn't get that

maybe i missed it

bs and doom fan meets 🤝

[wheat sigil]

i don't really play the game lol, just got the decoration to match

clash royale is the superior supercell game...

[cold patio]

they killed it

[wheat sigil]

clash royale had the highest revenue out of all supercell games last month..

and highest popularity in years

[cold patio]

ik cr still makes money, just dumb devs

[wheat sigil]

but the updates are bad😭

[cold patio]

ye that's what I'm saying

coc and bs are their favorite cow

[silent surge]

team clash of clans

[split gate]

I have the lossless from Apple, I can hear a small but impactful difference

It is different

[frail bloom]

I hope so

Idk dont y'all feel it should be much clearer than it is

I love the ost but it has some rough edges

[split gate]

Yeah I feel that too, it is a fantastic ost for me but I feel the music needs to switch from HD to 4k

[frail bloom]

It would be cool if they did an ost remaster

[split gate]

Something is blocking it from producing a clearer sound but I don’t know what it is

[frail bloom]

Ye it's so weird cuz sometimes you hear it clear and other times it's washed

Since I ain't a music producer I can't effectively say what it is

Anyways an Ost remaster would be really awesome, they would add the unique parts and clear up the sound

But that ain't happening

[split gate]

Finishing Move, reveal us your true power 🗣️🗣️, we know you can cook

[frail bloom]

I'm scared smt happenend

Like they were mistreated in some way

Hopefully not

[split gate]

Hmmm let’s not make any assumptions yet 👀

[frail bloom]

Ye ye I know

But...

Nvm

[split gate]

I mean if it’s not an assumption and it’s based on good reason it’s a welcome discussion

Last thing we need is a rumor to spiral out of control, haters feed on that shit

[frail bloom]

I don't wanna talk conspiracy I'll just wait till that physical media drops

When does it drop btw

[split gate]

Like the vinyl?

I’m not exactly sure either way

[vast galleon]

Do y'all know any websites I could sell my doom dark ages skin code on? Everywhere I've looked it's been valued around £80-100

[vestal dagger]

Pure conjecture but I reckon if Bethesda/ID tried to pull some BS on Finishing Move, Microsoft would have intervened, since they've been a long time go-to for them.

[harsh egret]

I ordered and it said december iirc

[frail bloom]

Ye that makes sense

[frail bloom]

December??? I needs it

Are preorders still up

Might be my christmas gift

[vestal dagger]

On the other hand though there isn't really a social contract between companies, so once deals expire, anything could happen still 🤷

[frail bloom]

Damn it's July 15th already

My sense of time is broken

[solar cairn]

August patch soon..

[frail bloom]

Hell ye

But also my summer break would be almost over by then

[harsh egret]

Should be

[frail bloom]

[harsh egret]

I hope the artbook will still be there next month when ill have money for it

Spent too much recently

Also out in december i think

[frail bloom]

Are you talking abt the physical art book from the gear store

[harsh egret]

Yes

[frail bloom]

Is it any different from the digital version

[harsh egret]

"This full-color art book overflows with behind-the-scenes artwork created for the next entry in the quintessential first-person shooter series. Explore the development of the hotly anticipated blood-soaked action experience—including an ever-expanding bestiary and arsenal—in glorious detail with commentary from the creative team themselves!"

[frail bloom]

Sooooo yes

[harsh egret]

Seems like it

Extra details written about stuff

[frail bloom]

Hey this is completely random but I think it would've been cooler if the mech was in third person

Kinda like those old kaiju games

Like Godzilla ps4

[harsh egret]

Ok this is where i hard disagree

But thats ok

[frail bloom]

Hey!

Explain thyself

[harsh egret]

Its doom man

[frail bloom]

The dragon in question:

[harsh egret]

Yes and that by itself surprised me, but ig it makes more sense

[frail bloom]

But imagine the mech in third person it would sell the size and weight more

[harsh egret]

Seeing mech action in first person was sick

[waxen rivet]

GODZILLA PS4 MENTIONED

PEAK GAME GRAAAHHHH

[frail bloom]

EXACTLY IMAGINE THE ATLAN MECH IN THAT

RAAAAHHHHHH

[waxen rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gojira-godzilla-game-combo-gif-16792834

[frail bloom]

Peak

[waxen rivet]

THAT GAME IS MY CHILDHOOD 😭😭😭

I'M SO MAD I CAN'T PLAY IT ON MY PS5

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-doom-guy-gif-9408834092500605837

[frail bloom]

Ye and now I have a disc that doesn't work anymore

It's worth 400 bucks now

[waxen rivet]

SAME

[frail bloom]

Ridiculous

[waxen rivet]

worth it

[frail bloom]

Wait you too?

So it was on purpose.

Godamn it those Japanese companies strike again

[frail bloom]

You no

@inner cradle terribly sorry to bother you, is it possible to play the mech sections in a 3d person point of view? I just wanna know what it looks like, I hope it's similar to those old godzilla games

[maiden onyx]

Third person would be cool, but e.g. that moment when the slayer gets domed from behind when transporting the bomb from the mine would require immersion to break / a cut scene

[frail bloom]

Well just make it first person then

Oh I getchu

[inner cradle]

Haven’t figured it out for mech

[frail bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[frail bloom]

It's alr, thanks for responding

You win for now, Mr. Hato

[solar cairn]

Pacific Doom

[frail bloom]

Exactly

I want it.

[hasty stone]

Patch today?

[frail bloom]

What would it be

Hugo didn't confirm a patch

Thursday is almost here anyways so we shall see

[hasty stone]

There's changes coming

[frail bloom]

In August

[hasty stone]

Hugo said last stream, so prolly some balancing this week

[frail bloom]

He said this week?

[hasty stone]

No, there's no way they won't change anything until August..

[lunar spire]

Exactly :)

[frail bloom]

Idk it seems to be that way

[hasty stone]

100% will be some changes this week

[frail bloom]

Think of the last patch we had before beserker fix

[hasty stone]

Shotgun nerf

[frail bloom]

Combat shotgun does not need a nerf

[hasty stone]

Slow mo slider

[frail bloom]

Impaler does

[hasty stone]

He said the slow mo slider works...why wait a month to release it?

[lunar spire]

I agree 100%. I want to hear the guitars punch through from under the drums. Ik they worked closely with Hugo, and idk if he knows enough about music. Sure drums are an important part of a medieval themed track but good Lord let the rest shine through please

[hasty stone]

Shotgun will hurt some armor less

[frail bloom]

Idk to bring in the people who want it back

Alongside other updates

Marketing

[lunar spire]

I'm sorry shotgun nerf???

[hasty stone]

[lunar spire]

Must be high on that green alien rock stuff lmao

[hasty stone]

I don't see how that was spam but anyways

[frail bloom]

Ye dude it's not all the time but it's evident when tracks end and they do that fast drum segment

Let's hope Hugo shares some cool info this week

[lunar spire]

Yeah. I love the riff in unchained predator, but I just want more punchy guitar work. It really makes me want to learn it to see if I can throw in some flat fifths or the silly deathcore special™ chugs

[hasty stone]

Yeah Hugo streams are fun but he doesn't get far he dies way too much

[frail bloom]

That is the worst part of them

[lunar spire]

Probably because the game isn't his focus in the stream

[frail bloom]

Just uuughghghg

[hasty stone]

500% damage is kinda...no

[lunar spire]

But idk I haven't watched em

[hasty stone]

Will it makes it meh to watch

[frail bloom]

Ye and I'm the one who has to write the weekly notes

So I sit through 2 hrs of it

[lunar spire]

Oh I see

[hasty stone]

Lawl

[lunar spire]

I thought it was an elective

[frail bloom]

I self elected myself bc everyone else has a job.

[lunar spire]

Ah. That's fair.

🫂

[storm peak]

Hello people

:|

[lunar spire]

Friend!

How are you??

[agile sonnet]

Just replayed the two end battles of Dark Ages, and realized where the slayer rushed into the room with Ahzrak and the Witch, it was a slight reference to Eternal when he rushed into the room with the priest at the beginning of the game

[lunar spire]

I also kind of think he was just beyond pissed that Serrat got murdered. I don't think it was really a reference, just straight up rage

[raw drum]

Hell chat

[solar cairn]

Serrat strangely introduced himself into the game, because in 2016 and Eternal there are no references to him

[lunar spire]

And that's reasonable, but I liked Serrat quite a lot as a plot and character development device

[frosty coyote]

HOW DARE U

[lunar spire]

There are references that the slayer previously interacted with beasts of argent d'nur in the ancient gods dlc but it's not exactly Serrat.

Also, if you read the codex it'll explain why Serrat is even in TDA

[silent surge]

it looks like they’re doing 1 level per stream now

[frail bloom]

Ye I wonder why

[silent surge]

maybe they’re working out a schedule to have them all done by some time

[hardy fable]

drag it out for longer

[frail bloom]

I wonder what they'll do after

[hardy fable]

get people to spend more time with it

[frail bloom]

Master levels?

[silent surge]

dlc maybe too

[hardy fable]

also they finally fixed Berserker so i have the platinum trophy now

[silent surge]

they did some other stuff last time. battlemode with viewers and stuff

[hardy fable]

need to go back and do 2016 now and I'll have the platinum on all 3 Nu-DOOMs

[delicate grotto]

Wish we got more of a proper introduction to him. Would’ve made the loss sting. Didn’t really have time to attach ourselves to him.

[frail bloom]

I agree

Seeing a flashback would just be good

But apparently we always knew him or smt

What happened to show not tell why is that the part you only tell about

ID needs to hire some writers

[delicate grotto]

Yeah but it’s funny when he starts raging at his own game he directed. The Eternal DLC playthrough was a treat. Lmao

[frail bloom]

Someone should ask Hugo

Why the dragon never got his backstory shown

Amongst all the cutscenes

[delicate grotto]

Yeah something better than a bare codex entry.

[frail bloom]

It's just such a frankly dumb decision

To have a bunch of cutscenes, and to have one of the most impacful moments in a codex.

Seriously like what

Was it time constraints? Even so the dragon is a bigger priority given its connection to the slayer

Honestly I would go as far to say it's the biggest mistake story wise

[delicate grotto]

Eh, id probably wanted to steer clear from going too cutscene/story heavy. Which I can understand. I felt there was enough room to characterize Serrat though.
Act Man and Under the Mayo felt a battle to tame Serrat would’ve been more impactful and rewarding- which would clash with its original backstory but it’s better than nothing.

[solar cairn]

Perhaps Hugo evaluates which mobs/arenas where and how to balance, plus also with weapons

[delicate grotto]

I like the idea that the Slayer saved Serrat, earning his trust and respect.

[frail bloom]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying to include the important stuff and leave out the bloat. Why the hell is one of the most impacftul moments in the codex, why did you go so bare bones.

[silent surge]

the mantra is “out of the codex, into the cutscenes”

but we never got a cutscene of this

[delicate grotto]

Yeah exactly

[frail bloom]

Allstin may you pls with a cherry on top ask Hugo abt this in an interview

[silent surge]

maybe they just didn’t fit it in, it would’ve helped to build the connection and give us a sick fight and dragon intro

[frail bloom]

Not even a fight just a cutscene to do the bare job of showing a cohesive story

Pls Allstin it would be a cool question

Maybe Hugo can stick it in there for dlc

Sometimes I feel the team needs things spelled out for them

[delicate grotto]

I agree, I’m just saying from id’s perspective they probably wanted to focus on the main plot and keep the flow of the story moving instead of jumping around and whatnot. Theres a lot of different ways they could’ve introduced Serrat seamlessly into the story though, so idk.

Regardless, a shame we didn’t get anything.

[frail bloom]

Serrat was one of the crucial parts of the story that allowed the Slayer to show off different emotions

For such an important piece he's given almost nothing

[delicate grotto]

The dragon was an idea before the backstory, this is obvious. I doubt they thought of Serrat’s backstory before implementing the idea into the game.

[frail bloom]

Could they really not show off like a cutscene

[delicate grotto]

Which is why it’s relegated to a singular codex entry. Maybe we’ll get more details later down the line, like you said.

[frail bloom]

They could replace Forsaken Plains honestly

Forsaken plains offers no real reason for its existence

The slayer goes to Hell but gets groped back in accomplishing nothing

It takes TWO missions

Sorry for venting I was just a bit unhappy abt some of the direction

[delicate grotto]

There’s a couple of missions that could’ve been cut honestly.
Foresaken Plains, Hellbreaker… I felt there was one more Sentinel Station mission than needed too. Though I get they wanted to introduce Hell early enough into the game and not wait until the last chapter.

[frail bloom]

Ye much like eternal

Shifting levels around

Still, someone should ask Hugo abt it

If for some reason he doesn't answer it then it might be an indication that dlc will do smt with it

One of the things I was hoping tda do is bolster eternal as a story but it might take a while

[delicate grotto]

The mission placement is leagues better than Eternal’s though, imo. Mainly because they had more to work with.

[frail bloom]

Ye ye

Still it could be better

Someone this Thursday gotta ask

[harsh egret]

hmm

i think proteh is making a helmetless slayer mod

lol

[silent surge]

a few were gonna be combined originally

[frail bloom]

Honestly would you even call some of them levels

Some take 5-10 min

The level count is more like 15

Not really 22 full fledged levels

[harsh egret]

https://x.com/elproteh/status/1945200994205290974

proteh (@elproteh)

Soon.

X · Jul 15, 2025, 7:17 PM

👀

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I can definitely see that. I’m sure they opted to cut them up because of length concerns. Definitely wanna avoid fatiguing your players. Although I’m sure that’ll be thrown out the window with Master Levels, lmao. Hope to see those in TDA eventually.

World Spear ML is sadistic.

[solar cairn]

What do they hint at here?

[delicate grotto]

Mainly the Atlan ones yeah. Theres also… I forgot the mission name but it’s right before you release The Old One. Where you pilot Serrat and destroy the Tentacles. That one’s oddly short too.

[harsh egret]

helmetless slayer mod

pretty sure they animated the slayer's face in all cutscenes i think

so this is gonna be cool

[solar cairn]

Is this the developer’s Twitter?

[harsh egret]

nah lol he just makes mods

[delicate grotto]

Cosmic Barons are slowly becoming my favorite enemy in TDA.

[solar cairn]

The caller is the most broken mob so far, in the packed arena you have to break through to him and try to kill the copy + himself for a combo

[frail bloom]

Acolyte*

[delicate grotto]

Are you talking about Acolytes? Yeah those dudes are annoying, and some arenas don’t have proper bounds in place. Like the Gore Nest challenge in the Reckoning mission lets one teleport outside the arena. You literally can’t kill it, and it won’t teleport out. Only feasible solution is a BFC shot to the face.

[warm ibex]

there we fucking go 🗣️🔥💯

been waiting for that

helmetless slayer with the maykr eyes looks so damn good

[harsh egret]

yeah and from what i can tell they did animate his face for cutscenes even when he has his helmet on

the way his mouth is for example in that opening scene, u dont see that so they didnt need to animate since u dont see it but they did

so i assume the same goes for the rest of the cutscenes

[lunar spire]

Probably because minute facial expressions shift musculatures across the entire face. It may have looked uncanny without animating the whole face.

I am just happy it's all animated, I'm very excited

[harsh egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491020118780805140/1394791180423925912/image.png?ex=68781803&is=6876c683&hm=10716359fea0b7fac12f3af2b28f5e203055f355cef3b72d314c18d1e34fd500&

very angry man

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182151938314358856/1394790403613655091/Gv7ZEDjXgAIxs_v.png?ex=6878174a&is=6876c5ca&hm=c5b79a7eb2a811c8cac9ce7eb1b1b0be171c87016313ae168448d456be6a4800&

Yeah he posted more on twitter, they're animated

[harsh egret]

NICEE

the meme potential for some of these...

[warm ibex]

I believe Hugo liked the idea of a helmetless slayer skin when someone brought it up on stream, so there's a chance we get an official version

[harsh egret]

the only downside it seems like is that theres lights lighting up the eye part of his face cuz of the helmet

but the mod doesnt get rid of that from what i see

in scenes where that light is present

[warm ibex]

I do wonder if an official version would remove the lights

I'd be fine with it either way

[harsh egret]

yeah i would imagine it would

[warm ibex]

Something I'm really hoping for is a helmetless and zombie toggle option instead of dedicated skins

[harsh egret]

would be cool

sounds like something they could do eventually

[warm ibex]

all skins already apply to the zombie model, so it would be cool if you could choose which color pallet you want and then toggle the zombie option

[silent surge]

wouldn’t require too much craziness id think. hugo talked about model swap and stuff being a lot so maybe can meet in the middle

[warm ibex]

I think that's a very good compromise

[hasty stone]

WE NEED A RANDOM MASTER LEVEL MODE FOR INFITITE REPLAYABILITY.

[harsh egret]

we need helmetless slayer for infinite replayability

[grim cloud]

i still want center gun doom mode or whatever its called

[hasty stone]

they'd have to shrink the shield/gun a lot, would look weird

[grim cloud]

center the weapon, remove the shield form the screen unless you use it, then that becomes center

besides, all the weapons already take up too much screen space, esp the RL and GL

[solar cairn]

I’m waiting for a berserk mod with two shields in close combat ))))0

[grim cloud]

like jesus christ they are b ig

[warm ibex]

@inner cradle has a vid with modded gun positioning, it actually looks surprisingly good with seemingly no weapon shrinkage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892238793174818848/1394802000373481603/image.png?ex=68782217&is=6876d097&hm=ce137d41f9ac39890d0d4ac47fd75582c0b3f081beffac3800339b98e2654fe5&

[inner cradle]

yeah that shit actually works, so it's a wonder they didnt do it, only issue with messing with offset commands is the offsets to center certain weapons puts other weapons to different sides of the screen. But as seen there yeah it fucking works.

[warm ibex]

I honestly didn't think it could work until you pulled it off

[frail bloom]

Oh no...

The game's abt to get real silly lmao

You should ask abt this on Hugos' stream

[hasty stone]

woah that looks good

[frail bloom]

That and the weapons being centered

[hasty stone]

maybe ask hugo

[inner cradle]

it's a shit idea on paper when you consider that there's a shield, so makes sense people would think it wouldn't work, but I'm all about shit ideas being tried out to see if they're not shit.

and like it not shit so ye

[warm ibex]

I'd imagine they probably tested it during dev so I wonder why it's not in

[frail bloom]

One day the Mech will have a 3d point of view

And I really want to see that

Only is someone is able to pull it off it sounds tricky

[inner cradle]

Come to think of it, if people want to fake a centered weapon pose for all weapons for now, because what I use only centers the shotties, they can just bind both the weapon and whatever offsets commands are needed to center each individual, problem is the shield is going to teleport back and forth when you switch from one weapon to another

but until id does one proper or a mod that does it well for all of em, that's the best I can think of rn

[warm ibex]

albert einstein type shit

[inner cradle]

these ideas just come to me dude idk lol

[warm ibex]

you're ahead of the curve man lol

[frail bloom]

And I'm below lmao

[fossil siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDQrNkEXKc

enjoy!

[frail bloom]

OOOHHH I WANNA SEE

[harsh egret]

Just saw it on my yt recommended, fuck yeah dude

Watched a bit of it so far but its really damn cool to see his facial expressions in some of these

[frail bloom]

It's funny how cheesy he is

Especially when he doesn't move his lips when he says "run"

Slayer just like that lmao

[warm ibex]

thank you, my goat

[harsh egret]

Lmao they really animated all that but didnt animate the one word he says

I just got to that part in the vid

[frail bloom]

I think an official version will have him lip sync with the word

[harsh egret]

Yep

[half spindle]

In my head canon it’s just that he is so angry that he said the word while clenching his teeth.

[frail bloom]

🫤

Well it's head canon for a reason

[half spindle]

You do not get that I am joking?

💀

[half spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-glory-kill-doom-glory-kill-doom-eternal-zombie-gif-18694440

[frail bloom]

No.

I can do that too

I was just joking abt that

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-502627409480164820

[merry sapphire]

watched this in full. sick how idsoftware still animate his face under the helmet like eternal. hope we get an official helmetless skin soon. also noticed that you said community modding tools are coming tomorrow, does this mean that the game is moddable fully now like how eternal was in its first year?

[merry sapphire]

i think the animating team animated his face just to get the eye area expression right

[harsh egret]

I mean, they animate the mouth for pretty much every cutscene, might as well take 20-30 minutes max to animate him saying "run"

[digital dew]

Just got my hands on the grenade launcher its fun

[frail bloom]

Idk ask Hugo

Now way anyone is gonna see this until you tell him abt it

[astral rain]

Ay…for those struggling with Azrhak, I got oooone word…”Chainshot”

[rough heart]

I think dlc will be this fall

[meager vortex]

helmet off mode is coming tda soon

doom guy is return!

[raw drum]

The chainshot is goated

I spammed it throughout most of my campaign

For azhrak I spammed the rocket launcher and impaler

[astral rain]

I spam cycler, super shotgun and chainshot

[delicate grotto]

Eh. Even early winter is pushing it. I wouldn’t expect it to drop until Jan/Feb of next year. Eternal’s DLC 1 took 6 months to release, which is likely smaller than what TDA’s is going to be simply due to the greater scale of this game and its environments.

[frail bloom]

I think January is pushing it honestly

[delicate grotto]

Probably

[frail bloom]

February is the bare minimum

Like super bare

I would also expect each level to have a different ost

So the composers need more time as well

and not one month

[delicate grotto]

New AI, new music, new environments. Missions are going to be naturally bigger than Eternal’s. I’m also unsure how resource heavy developing an Atlan level is, if that is to return. Curious if Serrat will in some way.

[frail bloom]

If they know better, they would drop the dragon. The best thing to do with Serrat is include some sort of flashback ooorrrr let him ride that dragon from TAG 2. For the Atlan, they really need to work on that this dlc or drop it as well. For the rest, they need time for that

[delicate grotto]

Even if development got a couple month’s head start on the DLC, I wouldn’t expect it to be finished within 6 months. The sheer scale and level of detail is beyond what Eternal or 2016 achieved with its environments. I’d also imagine the AI is more complex than in the previous two games.

[lunar spire]

Serrat is gone.

They will not bring her back same way they will not bring Daisy back aside from hallucinations.

The team understands that death has to mean something unlike comic book characters.

[frail bloom]

At most I expect the origin of Serrat in some flashback cutscene. Not gameplay

[lunar spire]

^ this

[frail bloom]

For gameplay, that dragon from TAG 2

[delicate grotto]

Yes, but it’d be interesting if the mechanics are reused for a different dragon. I don’t expect them to return, just throwing it out there.

[frail bloom]

Ye I just gave an example

[lunar spire]

I also don't think they'll reuse the mechanics based on backlash of the community about it

[frail bloom]

That's what I was thinking too

Plus those levels take a ridiculous amount of resources I imagine

[lunar spire]

I thought it was fine, a good break in the action to look at the spectacle and scale of the combat, but to each their own.

It honestly felt like New Alexandria from Halo Reach

[frail bloom]

I think it's best to focus on Slayer only

[delicate grotto]

Probably not. Unless they wanted to try their hand at improving the mechanics with better gameplay but I doubt they want to take away focus from the main mechanics.

[delicate grotto]

Yeah same. I thought it was serviceable. The skybox art makes it all the more enjoyable. Seriously, id’s got one of the best art teams I’ve seen for a game studio.

[lunar spire]

dunno if you noticed but they even added AI damage to the enemies dotted around the map. There's a vagary you can kill with Serrat, so they coded in damage values for it.

[frail bloom]

Yup I did that first playthrough cuz I'm autistic

[lunar spire]

hell yeah, so glad great minds think alike

[mossy fox]

When will ts be on sale

I love Doom wholeheartedly but my wallet does not

[frail bloom]

Maybe quakecon

Wait didn't I tell you

Or was it someone else

[mossy fox]

I just joined like 3 minutes ago

[frail bloom]

Oh so it was a different guy with a spongebob pfp

Anyways quakecon is this august 7th so might not have to wait long

[mental grotto]

Gamepass is also an option

[mossy fox]

[short mountain]

real

[stray hemlock]

How do you think a Gundam and Transformer fan feels 😭

[stray hemlock]

We drop money that is into the Triple or quad digits for ONE

But anyways

I am powering through a Pandemonium run to see if modified saves still grant a user the skin

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/4yDQrNkEXKc

[silent surge]

they do yes

[stray hemlock]

HELL YEAH

[marble seal]

He's hot omgggg

🥴

[raven sonnet]

is it just me or is the room getting really hot,

[maiden onyx]

Demonic Presence: Threat Level 5, has entered your living room

[raven sonnet]

like really really hot.

i think a portal to hell just opened up in my house.

well time to get my shield saw replica and go rip and tearing

[half spindle]

Nah, ur joke is my joke is

[merry sapphire]

most of the mouth animation isnt as "expressive" as the rest of his face. like compare to how other characters mouth move in this game compared to the slayer. i really do think its just to get the facial expressions right for the eyes and brow. though for the "run" part i think that was added in later, though i do remember hugo saying in a stream that there was even more dialogue before

you could but you wouldn't see anything because this game has no baked in lighting

[uneven dragon]

i dont think they do lol

[merry sapphire]

i would not put it past the doom team to make intern the wretch or some shit they love making characters "special"

[lost lotus]

So when the heck is steam doomTDA gonna be fully offline? Whenever my wifi's dead for days in a week, i can't play the game cause it needs steam to be online first before i can play it. That is very ridiculous-

[neon perch]

Wait what the fuck is there really no achievement for clearing UN in this game?

[dreamy kiln]

No, only the skin

[chilly cloud]

and in-game milestones checklist

[dreamy kiln]

There's a checklist...

[merry sapphire]

oh my bad, read that wrong sorry

[rough heart]

Same thought also for jan feb thats limit

[vague sinew]

You can’t play offline?

Strange, it lets me play without the need for steam to be online?

??

[subtle wyvern]

I just tested it, it seems you have to launch the game once in online mode to play offline mode

[vague sinew]

Why tho 💀 unnecessary as hell

[subtle wyvern]

Not really sure why 😭

I'm gonna see if you need to do it once just on the device or once everytime you wanna do it

[lost lotus]

No, because steam has to be online first, its a denuvo thing

[vague sinew]

Denuvo

[lost lotus]

I hate it, i have no wifi for like days straight 🗿

[vague sinew]

I get it…denuvo💢

[wind dawn]

Just me or does doom the dark ages actually have 2 references to My house wad in the cosmic realm levels? There's an infinite looping hallway in Karthul Marshes where if you turn around you reach an entirely different room than the one you started in. There's also a similar non euclidean room in temple of lomarith where moving forward takes you to a dead end but turning around transports you to a different room without us even realising.

[vague sinew]

While i do think id devs know about my house wad, it’s probably something more akin to lovecraft’s conception of maddening worlds to navigate through

[frank turtle]

you know ive never though about this, someone should ask hugo

[shell gull]

use CD keys

[merry sapphire]

myhouse.wad didnt invent non euclidean rooms

i dont think it references myhouse.wad specifically

[fleet spruce]

They're absolutely not related in capacity, those sections are like silent portal stuff in GZDoom which is really cool tho. Cosmic Realm is supposed to make no sense to us so noneuclidian geometry and other impossible structures & places are right at home in this eldritch dimension of incomprehensible horrors.

[graceful lion]

i mean, personally, i wont trust them, alot of those websites do credit card fraud, sometimes its worse than piracy

wont give money to the devs

[shell gull]

have u ever used it?

[graceful lion]

yes, twice, but its not you getting credit card fraud

also that was before i knew what theydid

they basically make random people (not you) pay for the keys, then they return their money

[subtle wyvern]

Could you link me some sources for that? I am curious.

[shell gull]

u ragebaiting?

[graceful lion]

ragebaiting how?

[glad hinge]

Launch the Mod Loader https://github.com/FlavorfulGecko5/EntityAtlan/releases

[graceful lion]

"My PayPal Account got hacked once and the Hackers bought a bunch of games on MMOGA.

Once I regained control, I was able to proof to PayPal that the Account was hacked, and I got my money back. End of story, I thought.

Literal years later I buy a Key on the same site, pay for it, and instead of a Key I receive a mail saying I will not get the Key nor my money back unless I pay that money I "owe" them from all those years ago.

I explained the situation, thinking they mixed something up, but they didn't care, essentially blackmailing me

Well, I went to Paypal, again, showed the receipts, and got my money back, again."

[shell gull]

thats a diff website

the devs still get the money from bought keys

[graceful lion]

they dont

"Well I do believe you're buying it from someone who already bought the key in abundance for cheaper, or someone who hacked it.

No matter what, you will not be buying it from the developers, so no matter what you wont be directly supporting them other than playing it.

If the random person bought, say 100 keys, they helped the developer by buying them, but you arent directly supporting them.

Most people when selling keys of newer games for cheaper will have gotten them through illegitimate ways."

[shell gull]

also being ethical isnt rlly in the question with id software

[graceful lion]

this isnt blizzard bro its id

[shell gull]

some people also dont wanna pay 70 for a singeplayer game with no extra content

[shell gull]

mick gorden

[graceful lion]

https://youtu.be/5nBOMSKP7E4?si=26u1sij_i5pJGEyG&t=43

[graceful lion]

oh yes, one situation, clearly makes them a shitty company now

im not saying what they did is fine

[shell gull]

if u wanna a lap dog to big companies go ahead but some people r living in a cost of living crisis and want their games to be cheaper

[shell gull]

marty straton is still working their and doing press

[graceful lion]

im not trying to lapdog anything?