the-dark-ages

[meager vortex]

demons

[silver flame]

Plot twist

[meager vortex]

demons is super moron

[tranquil bluff]

kinda wonder what kind of demon specifically did it

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

Who wouldn't eat the bunny

[meager vortex]

they kill daisy and they kill the dragon

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

[tranquil bluff]

would be something you would ask Romero or Sandy and would just tell you from the top of their head but still would be cool to put events together

[meager vortex]

that is why all demons is super idiots

[harsh egret]

Yeah demons not very nice for sure

[frail bloom]

Hmmm what if it was a person lol

Uh oh doomguy reverse course

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/bobbyvanda-bakii-sherlock-bornloop-x-gif-7244156103631948205

demons:

[harsh egret]

It was doomguy in his sleep but he didnt remember

[frail bloom]

The lack of content is getting to muh brain

[harsh egret]

Only one more month

Less than a month now

[frail bloom]

I just wanna see like a teaser or smt

A morsel of info

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[frail bloom]

Alr alr

[meager vortex]

oh! i forgot why demons they dumb because they don't have a soul they soul is already turned argent energy

[frail bloom]

Yuh

[meager vortex]

that is reason

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-true-you’re-right-you-right-yep-gif-10247347373222014162

[meager vortex]

demons just meat ball for doom slayer

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-ez-doom-eternal-doom-doom-slayer-gif-26144014

[hasty stone]

patch today?

[frail bloom]

We don't know

[harsh egret]

why would it be patch today

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-eo2gifs-deltarune-chapter-3-deltarune-ch-3-tenna-deltarune-gif-3543875082152148675

[hasty stone]

@harsh egretwhy not?

[harsh egret]

Was just curious why today exactly

Tbh i wouldnt even expect much more until the quakecon update

[hasty stone]

there will be changes before quake-con

hugo already said, there will be a patch this week.

[stoic sleet]

Why can’t they just release a bug fix/polishing update.

[frail bloom]

Ye the beserker patch for ps5

It's this week

[stoic sleet]

Like right now.

[frail bloom]

One must be patient

Be like Ton Ton

Nvm he is not patient at all

Be like an outstanding whatever

[stoic sleet]

But why

[frail bloom]

Cuz throwing a fit over nothing won't change when it's coming

[stoic sleet]

I have already destroyed Hugo’s office.

[frail bloom]

Tell me what do you think of this, honest opinion

#music message

[stoic sleet]

I kinda skimmed through the song but its good

[frail bloom]

It is good

[stoic sleet]

Its a mix of eternal and tda

[frail bloom]

But not very dark agey

Not much orchestra and he's obviously using the trial of maligog synth

[stoic sleet]

It sounds menacing and more scary

[frail bloom]

It is menacing

[stoic sleet]

Like a more violent level setting

[frail bloom]

But the synth is what bums me out

The riffs are brutal tho

And ambient guttural chants are awesome

But this is Immora and Trial of Maligog mixed together

@thorny yarrow what do you think I know you share similar sentiments abt Levy's proposition

[harsh egret]

yh wasnt that just the ps5 berserker trophy fix?
also, hugo doesnt know exactly what will and wont come and when it will come, and at this point it sounds pretty plausable if they just bundle everything into a big major patch at quakecon

[hasty stone]

they aren't gonna release a patch with only one thing listed lol

[harsh egret]

eh, they could

[hasty stone]

the stream they said balance updates or path this week

[harsh egret]

for ps5 only, remember

[frail bloom]

It's a pretty important one

[hasty stone]

i doubt they will

[harsh egret]

well just dont be surprised

[hasty stone]

there balancing weapons again probably this week

[harsh egret]

did they say that for this week tho? i dont remember him saying thats coming this week

he says stuff every week, doesnt mean its out before the next stream or smth

[thorny yarrow]

I will say, Finishing Move's work really grew on me, especially after the patch that adjusted the volume of the music. I think Finishing Move gets a lot of unnecessary flack on a account of the whole debacle.

That said, I really like David's work, and I like what he did here. The melodic synth phrases are something that I feel was really missing from Finishing Moves work, and Andrew's pieces, and it's something that David retains. So I really like his go around, but I will say Finishing Move made a very intentional choice with their pieces that I can't see Dark Ages without.

Symphonic elements. Blood Red is a great example. The symphonic elements in Finishing Move's work really evoke the high, dark fantasy vibes of this game amazingly, and it feels vital to Dark Age's specific identity. So if David does more, I'd love to hear how he would work that into his own pieces.

[hasty stone]

trust me, doom guy told me

[harsh egret]

ok then i trust u

if the talk is about the david levy track from earlier, yeah tbh i didnt really like it that much, doesnt fit the game to me

[frail bloom]

I agree with everything except the synth elements. I'm not opposed to synth but it should be less high pitch and more uniquely used. The synth David uses for Thronebreaker is the same exact synth used in Trial of Maligog, and it's not as effective here. The riffs are bitcrunchy and brutal and the chants remind me of little nightmares for some reason but I love that. Finishing move does include melodies but they're done in different ways, it uses distorted guitar like the slayers theme or into the void. I think with a bigger budget David can lean into the more medieval orchestral parts but as it stands, it sounds like an immora track really

[harsh egret]

ive said this since the beginning, finishing move exceeded my expectations like crazy, and they made tracks that fit perfect imo

[thorny yarrow]

David working symphonic elements into his work would be the best of both worlds, and in my opinion as close to Mick Gordon as we'll probably ever get again.

[frail bloom]

Mick gordon is known for his production and mix quality, whether synth or orchestral is doesn't matter

[harsh egret]

to me i dont need "as close to mick as it gets"
i just want great tracks, and FM did exactly that.
i listen to the ost every single day

[thorny yarrow]

Also, don't discount the quality of modern Orchestral sample libraries. Trust me, a guy with his ability and position in the industry probably has access to some kick ass orchestral sounds.

[frail bloom]

Ye great tracks are what's needed, to stand on their own

[frail bloom]

Ofc but David didn't really tap into that here

He did offer a very good blueprint

[thorny yarrow]

Exactly. That's why I want him to. 🙂

[harsh egret]

and ive said this before, if every game is different, then why cant the ost also be different the same way? and i bet u it will be pretty different to fit whatever game they make next.

[frail bloom]

I have criticisms for FM too it's not just one is above the other

It's what the game needs

This goes for Mick too believe it or not

That's why I hope DLC just blows muh socks off

But hey don't those chants remind you of the guest room section in little nightmares

When you're walking in the pipes and you hear the big fat people singing

Has anyone played little nightmares

Lmao

[harsh egret]

not me atleast

[frail bloom]

Oh you've played little nightmares

[thorny yarrow]

I do agree with that as well. Even between Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal there is a clear difference in musical identity. 2016 is very grungy and tight sounding, with some sweeping big sounds.

Eternal's music, like the game, has many more facets and complexities making it more bombastic and varied.

Dark Ages is back to a 2016 esque, tight, grunge but fused with orchestra, and folk instruments, and with formula variation present for the cosmic realm to make it sound truly strange and alien, much like the Urdak pieces in eternal.

[frail bloom]

Idk it reminds me of that

[harsh egret]

wut lol no i meant i didnt play it

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

Oops

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

I think smt FM could do is maybe have a track that doesn't use guitar, only orchestral bits with synth in doomy fashion.

Just for that variety y'know

[thorny yarrow]

I would absolutely rock with that.

[frail bloom]

Bc they shred that guitar but for 30 tracks like c'mon

[thorny yarrow]

Blood Red gives us a little bit of that.

[frail bloom]

Ye with the crunchy bells and orchestra swelling

[thorny yarrow]

In that middle section where the orchestra just crashed in for a while.

[frail bloom]

So damn good

[long sparrow]

I agree with that sentiment

[frail bloom]

I let the hell knights live in sentinel barracks in that one area so I can just hear it lol

[thorny yarrow]

Needless to say, I'm still buying this Soundtrack vinyl. XD

[frail bloom]

Oh I'm thinking abt it

I wanna hear it in crisp quality

Instead of my bluetooth device.

[thorny yarrow]

Eventually I'm gonna coble together a soundtrack for eternal, consisting of Mick's mixed tracks and Koma's mixes of other unreleased Eternal music.

[frail bloom]

You're doing amazing work here

[thorny yarrow]

It will be mine. I will have my full eternal soundtrack if it kills me. XD

[frail bloom]

My hopes is that dlc really surpasses my expectations

In just variety, that's it

Bc their composition is excellent, we just need a bit more variety

[harsh egret]

they exceeded my expectations with the base game already, so if its somehow even better then im really happy

[thorny yarrow]

I think we'll see a similar glow up to the difference between TAG 1 and TAG 2. TAG 1 felt like Andrew and David were finding their footing, and TAG 2 is where they had it and fucking rocked it.

[harsh egret]

if its more of the same, just new, im also totally down for that

[frail bloom]

I just mean in what you hear

[thorny yarrow]

So I'm expecting the DLC to rip ass.

[harsh egret]

and thats where my expectations are for now

[frail bloom]

Instead of guitars, maybe a track doesn't use them

Just orchestra or synth y'know

[delicate grotto]

I wish we got more tracks from David Levy, I really liked his compositions.

[frail bloom]

Ohhh yeah I remember that

Immora muh baby

[harsh egret]

blood swamps heavy fighting my beloved

[frail bloom]

Ohhh yeah

[delicate grotto]

UAC Atlantica and Trial of Maligog are amongst my favorite Doom tracks.

[thorny yarrow]

Immora is the best piece out of both DLCs for me.

[harsh egret]

blood swamps had one of my favourite eternal tracks overall

[thorny yarrow]

GOD of only we could actually HEAR Trial of Malogog instead of the cube noises.

[harsh egret]

and reclaimed earth

[frail bloom]

That one part where the female solo comes in is just 🔥

[harsh egret]

smth about immora.. idk, i didnt like the tracks in that one last time i heard them

[frail bloom]

Funny how eternal hasn't had its mixing issues fixed

[frail bloom]

Nah it's alr I'll keep rippin and tearin tho

[thorny yarrow]

Like I get it, the audio que is important, but why does it suck the music even if the sounds are turned down? And how was the already existing sfx balancing not good enough for the cubes when it was good enough for every other enemy throughout the entire game up until then?

[harsh egret]

i see many ppl praise immora tho so im glad yall like it

[frail bloom]

I do agree that it can be too long depending on the mix

Some parts are genuinely chilling tho

[thorny yarrow]

There is a part in Immora that I wouldn't want to live on this planet without. I made a YouTube clip of it.

Just to revisit it sometimes. XD

[frail bloom]

Share it I wanna hear

[thorny yarrow]

It's the part where the synth and guitar combine and sound like an actual just gun.

[frail bloom]

That's in uac atlantica too kinda

[thorny yarrow]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxxHHi2aVrzkUW-Ycs2fcofqP7OKKY_Ran

[fleet spruce]

Yeah, such amazing track and they still haven't fixed the mixing there. Actually depressing.

[frail bloom]

One of the grooviest

Damn it sounds brutal

[fleet spruce]

Oh yeah the Headstomp

I love City of Immora part https://youtu.be/L6y21SKTtJI?si=kmpU0VCEPRu7yOcs

[frail bloom]

Bruh don't get me started

[fleet spruce]

it was such an experience playing this game on switch on bus and getting to the 2 marauders arena and then it kicked in

[thorny yarrow]

You know what I'd kill for? Updates for the doom games to have mouse controls on Switch 2.

[fleet spruce]

On the topic of Levy, he just dropped another interesting piece:
https://youtu.be/Orjv8Ys_wq0?si=yPx6E0JZepzIDFWI

[frail bloom]

Ye we just talked abt it up top lol

[fleet spruce]

Oh

[frail bloom]

Scroll up a bit

[fleet spruce]

my bad lmao

[frail bloom]

Ye we have said our piece

Great track but needs to step out of that tag mindset and into a tda mindset

Overall an 7.9/10

Could be an 8/10 if the synth wasn't the trial of maligog synth

[fleet spruce]

could use more guitar too

[frail bloom]

Actually I liked that it uses the more bitcrunchy stuff

This track could mix well as a different flavor

In some different level

The synth is what bums me out

The chanting is my favorite part

[fleet spruce]

I wonder if Hulshult will drop something like this

[frail bloom]

This track could work as a mech track

Don't you see it

Low, guttural, bitcrunchy riffs

See what I mean it works in different contexts

Doesn't need guitar

It's just that synth man it sticks out like a sore thumb

[fleet spruce]

i guess

[frail bloom]

Maybe someone try playing it over a mech segment

Idk lol

[graceful lion]

from playing terraria for a bit i tried double jumping in tda 😭

[vital rapids]

definitely! Integrated mouse joycons are a BIG feature for many FPS players trying to go handheld, better than gyro. I think the shooter market can explode on that console

[vital rapids]

I don't know. I get the 300 sword and sandal vibe he's going for, and don't mind it
But the heavy guitar really adds to the turbotank feel in the original soundtrack

https://tenor.com/view/its-about-power-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-all-about-power-gif-26648875

[frail bloom]

It is very powerful

It just sounds too similar to an already existing track tho

With just the synth mind you everything else is good

[finite sequoia]

I think the dark ages soundtrack is great

[sonic turret]

Why Hulshult?

[frail bloom]

Super great

Expecting dlc to go ham

[finite sequoia]

Yeah

[fleet spruce]

I'm just curious about his vision regarding how TDA soundtrack could sound if he were the one to score it

[frail bloom]

A lot of classic doom references I know that

Bro made IDKFA

He knows the nostalgia wins

[finite sequoia]

I kinda want to try playing dark ages with the trepang soundtrack

[frail bloom]

Go ahead

Never heard it

[lament lotus]

I have an interesting thought for a split upgrade for the Grenade Launcher.
Trick Shot (paired with cluster upgrade)
Grenades falter nearby demons with each bounce. Cataclysm upgrade empowers bounced grenades

I feel like the Grenade Launcher only focuses on direct hits and cluster bombs, and think there can be a lot of fun in using the bouncy nature of the projectile

[frail bloom]

Try sending a vid so we can visualize it

Take your time

[lament lotus]

Not sure how I can do that

[frail bloom]

Oh well what do you play on

[lament lotus]

But I have a vague idea

XBOX

[finite sequoia]

I hope for the dlc we get to dual wield weapons

[frail bloom]

Hmm does it not have a record function

[lament lotus]

It does

I just didn't get what you meant

[frail bloom]

Idk how that would work with your shield unless you unequip it

[frail bloom]

Like record a vid of you trying what you suggested

And then export it here

In the vids tab

[finite sequoia]

I’m sure they could figure it out

[lament lotus]

Got clip

[frail bloom]

Y'know they have cool ideas too but they can't execute all of them

Might save them for a different game

[finite sequoia]

Fair

[harsh egret]

@frail bloom i might put off the idea to draw some of my demon ideas...
however, what if i made toy versions of the weapons in dark ages in 3d

[frail bloom]

Oh man, it's alr pursue what you want to pursue, you are an aspiring 3d artist after all

Play into your strengths

Maybe 3d print it or smt

[harsh egret]

yeah it would be less of an actual learning thing, more of a fun project on the side
randomly popped up in my head today, so i got some things in mind

[frail bloom]

Write them down too you don't want to forget them

[harsh egret]

ill actually start rn and maybe ill get one done before bed

[harsh egret]

give me a weapon to start with

[frail bloom]

Oh boy

Hmmmmm

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-you-must-choose-choose-choose-wisely-wise-choice-gif-27571502

[frail bloom]

Accelerator

👀

[harsh egret]

thats a good one

[frail bloom]

It's time you started sharing stuff lol

[harsh egret]

accelerator it is!

[lament lotus]

My video upload is stuck on 99% lol

[frail bloom]

Like stuck or is it taking a while

We can wait no worries

[lament lotus]

It's literally been at 99% for the last few minutes

[frail bloom]

Hmmm idk what to do abt that

How long is the vid anyway

[lament lotus]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/rj8rAbFuhP

[frail bloom]

Well I personally can't view the vid cuz of technical reasons but everyone else here probably can

I'll just give it a reaction so ppl click on it

[lament lotus]

The idea is that grenade bounces falter or even damage demons in the hitbox demonstration of the RL

This turns the grenade launcher into a full crowd control option, as opposed to direct damage with a side of crowd control.

I also wanna pitch ideas for other weapons I think need more variety. Looking directly at you, Pulverizer

[fair elk]

Anyone's DOOM TDA updating right now? This is the latest one yet but I've not seen an announcement from the devs on the confirmed rollout details today

[summer temple]

They fixed the berserker trophy bug for PlayStation, that’s all I know

[fair elk]

Oh right, is it retrospective or do I need to continue aiming for it fresh?

[summer temple]

I opened the game like 2 seconds ago

[fair elk]

Ok it's retrospective 😁 its fixed!

[delicate grotto]

Oh finally, they fixed the Berserker trophy. Got my platinum now.

[summer temple]

Same here

[delicate grotto]

Wth, the update added in a random new save for me though lmao. Hurt me Plenty, Chapter 1. Bizarre.

I wonder if that was part of the trophy fix. Forced way of triggering it? Dunno.

[summer temple]

I think they did say you’d get it if you should’ve gotten it before

[fluid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-and-amir-jake-jake-hurwitz-mustard-halloween-gif-8544338299699105769

[sonic turret]

I never even experienced that bug, but Hugo said the other day that they're working on it. 🤷

[brave leaf]

Where can I find the patch notes for the new update?

[sonic turret]

I think the weapons are fine in TDA, because it's more about the shield for me, as well as learning to get in close and use the melee weapons.

[sonic turret]

It usually tells you on the PlayStation when you hover over the game icon and there's something like an update report.

[brave leaf]

Doesn't show anything new
I guess they might drop the notes later

So are the enemies with blue eyes basically just empowered demons

[verbal void]

If the titans in the dark ages are immortal and not dead. What about when they explode when serrat does his fire breath in the titans mouths?

[sonic turret]

Those are contact lenses, it's a fashion thing, very metrosexual aura farming.

[brave leaf]

I'm sure they're very popular with the mortally challenged

[lament crane]

Wasn’t there an update for The Dark Ages scheduled later on?

[lament lotus]

Y'know what I'm really hoping for? A second shot at the Ranger skin that isn't limited to a few regions

[delicate grotto]

Great. Lost my 100% UN run because my shockwave triggered a barrel that a demon kicked towards me as I was landing. One of the unluckiest things I’ve ever witnessed in gaming.

Had over 100 HP and didn’t get caught at the 5hp threshold too.

[lament lotus]

My greatest condolenses

[delicate grotto]

This is why I stand by my sentiment that Eternal is the easiest modern Doom game by far.

And I don’t understand how so many consider it that difficult when it constantly saves you from death and resources are abundant.
TDA feels like 2016 all over again, killing you instantly from random bullshit.

[verbal void]

Idk man 2016 was easier for me with things like gauss cannon and BFG

[upbeat cipher]

Finally got my platinum 🤣

[delicate grotto]

On Nightmare you can easily die in 3-4 hits. It’s a simpler game, but it’s a lot more punishing when you make mistakes. You might as well be dead if you drop to critical levels because the tight resources and sniper-projectiles will likely kill you before you can regain any control over the fight. Same applies with TDA. Eternal you could get to 10hp and get back up to full with a couple well timed equipment uses.

Not to mention all the extra movement tools you have to create space.

Bottom line is: The 5hp buffer in this game is practically nonexistent with how few conditions actually catch you.

[lament lotus]

I do actually agree with you on that last point.

[frail bloom]

Great now we got ppl calling the ost mid again

Cuz a composer they got to know for 5 years uploaded a vid

What's with the "unga bunga me like this so that means I hate other thing"

[sonic turret]

Dunno, I'm waiting for the next DLC.

[frail bloom]

You're gonna be waiting a while lol

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-falcon-punch-captain-falcon-nintendo-ultimate-gif-18215078

[hasty stone]

SEE i told you there would be an updare

[bleak kettle]

Finally I get berserker trophy counted and platinum trophy with this update

[hasty stone]

update*

i don't seen an update on steam?

[frail bloom]

Cuz it's already fixed on other platforms

[hasty stone]

so its just an update for ps5?

[frail bloom]

Yup

[hasty stone]

just for the berseker?

[frail bloom]

Yup

[hasty stone]

ah ok

[meager vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/omzFa4gdpc4?feature=share

[tranquil bluff]

BERSERKER TROPHY IS FIXED

[ornate swallow]

Based on concept art by Alejandro Mirabal, there would’ve been a boss fight against “three brothers” who would’ve been fused together as an undead amalgamation (kind of resembling Geryon from Greek mythology).

Though I’m curious to know, did this boss eventually get retooled into the Komodo? They both have similar weapons and stand in a similar hunched position.

[tranquil bluff]

in spirit of that we need 3 komodos in the dlc

lizardlizardlizard

[ornate swallow]

I’d like to share the concept art, but I don’t have image permissions.

That aside, if you check the ArtStation post for the Komodo’s concept art, the first image shows details of his chainsaw spear. On the post for the Three Brothers, the last image shows a detailed overview of their weapon, which is also the same chainsaw spear.

Something else that supports my theory of the Three Brothers being an early concept for the Komodo is how the second image for the Three Brothers depicts the left side of their combined body. It’s wearing a clawed gauntlet very similar to the one worn by the Komodo (also worth noting is the left head kind of resembling that of a Hell Knight or one of the zombie soldiers).

[tepid verge]

My game is updating

Will i finally get my platinum? 😂

[tepid verge]

Yes i did! Only took them a couple months for them to fix it

[craggy jungle]

Any rumors on dlc release

[pine terrace]

They're teasing something for Quakecon

[frail bloom]

I mean do we know this

Do we know they're teasing dlc

Guys FM is being called mid again

Poor lads

It's on David's new vid

Bruh

Kevan what are they teasing btw do you know

Or is it a general statement

[meager vortex]

tomorrow i order this

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-title-collector's-edition-gif-16793651776385319022

few month ago i was almost ordered but my mother know i just stop order

but not anymore!

[frank turtle]

that's awesome

[sonic turret]

Yup, more skins.

[heavy python]

I finally got berserker 😭 😭 😭

[dark cargo]

Bro how?

[carmine pivot]

yo guys should i buy doom the dark ages or it wont be worth it

[brisk grotto]

idk im on my dad's work laptop and i only got DE on the switch

[carmine pivot]

well i just want to know is it worth the money because for sure it aint cheap

[toxic dome]

For me, it was. I even pre-ordered it immediately when I saw it. Now I am addicted

[shadow bay]

Hello guys I need hello with doom the dark ages it keeps crashing at startup with the bug report

the bugslat report keeps coming up each time the I'm on the loading screen

[foggy verge]

Does anyone know if they're going to add mission select to the game at a later date?

[silent surge]

you should be able to pick

[foggy verge]

Do you have to finish the campaign first?

[silent surge]

i just loaded my pandemonium file and could pick

[sonic turret]

Interesting, I think the origin of the Super Shotgun’s Sentinel hook may be tied to the Night Sentinels’ beast-taming traditions. In early concept art and glyphs from Doom Eternal, some warriors are shown taming massive beasts with similar hooked chains. Perhaps the hook wasn’t originally a weapon, maybe it was a tool of dominance and control, used to wrangle demonic creatures and war-beasts on the battlefield.

🤔

[foggy verge]

I think it's because I'm playing on Ultra Nightmare

[rocky badger]

You can't replay missions on Pandemonium or UN

[foggy verge]

Only on the lesser difficulties?

[rocky badger]

Yes. You can go back on Nightmare and below

You can still view your mission stats on UN and Pandemonium and your file still exists once you beat the game. You just cannot physically play the save files anymore

[foggy verge]

Damn so I have to start a whole new campaign just to get the collectables, I mean I've already started a new campaign like 50 times now, I've played that first mission so much I could play it blind

Yeah never play UN on your first try

[rocky badger]

Correct. I 100% UN and Pandemonium. It was rough.

This did include the weapon masteries which I don't think are actually tracked by game file. So you could skip those

[foggy verge]

sigh I'll start a new one tomorrow lmao

[rocky badger]

If this is your first UN playthrough, I'd recommend backing up your save file after every level. I've encountered game breaking bugs LATE in the game. Like three bugs on three separate attempts on level 21

[silent surge]

don’t do UN first

or even pandemonium first

[silent surge]

how long was your run for 100% un?

[foggy verge]

You don't want to know how many times I had to play through the first 5 missions because a zombie snuck up behind me and diddled my booty hole

TOO MANY TIMES

I feel like I'm playing Marathon....

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

Durandal haunts my dreams

[rocky badger]

Hard to say. I 100% each mission on Nightmare, then Pandemonium, then UN when I felt confident.

20-30 min for most levels which included backtracking and searching for gold and secrets. Spread out over about 2 weeks cause I work a lot.

The game games significantly easier at these marks: once you fully upgrade the Impaler, get the last shield Rune, get the Mace.

I see WR 100% runs just over 4 hours. Or just over 3 hours at 150% speed 🔥

[finite matrix]

Hey I’m only here temporarily because I wanna get some advice
Could a “HP Victus Gaming Laptop, 15.6" FHD 144Hz Display, AMD Ryzen 5 8645HS, 16GB DDR5 RAM, 1TB SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 (6GB GDDR6), HDMI, Webcam, Backlit Keyboard, Wi-Fi 6, Windows 11 Home, Mica Silver”
Run doom the dark ages without destroying my laptop?
I wanted to know if my friend could play doom on it since he bought it but his computer can’t run without this other attachment that’s super expensive
I wanted to tell him that it could maybe work because I googled if it could and I wanted to ask here just for confirmation so I don’t get his hopes up when there’s nothing to get hyped up about

[frank turtle]

100% un was so annoying for me just cause of all the side shit you had to do

It just made the game alot longer

[dense garden]

@simple swan.

[old magnet]

i think it most likely can work, because it's an RTX 4050 and the processing that's AMD Ryzen is great for triple AAA shiny games like dark ages and the rest of the doom games, so maybe

[grave burrow]

Just started dark ages legendary game I just miss the movement like dashing and the parkour 😢

[harsh dragon]

Wish they kept that but like the sprint option

[bleak pulsar]

Whats the new update about?

[harsh egret]

its just the ps5 trophy fix

[bleak pulsar]

Ah, finally

[harsh egret]

can someone dm me a vid of u slowly inspecting the accelerator in the model viewer, more or less doing a slow 360 around the whole gun and then show the top and bottom
i need it for smth, make sure the vid is good res

[stray hemlock]

Beserker?

Wym? There's a skin?

[tranquil bluff]

in the last level on the one of the gore nest encounters the acolyte got stuck behind a fence where I couldn't shoot it from basically soft locking the game

[grand monolith]

is the game worth 50 bucks or do i wait for a discount or smth

[warm frost]

i need somone fix this issue ((Sorry, something went wrong.)) and link

[graceful lion]

definitely worth it, its just lacking in content rn

so ur gonna be stuck to the normal playthrough until they add more shit like horde mode and all that

personally my favorite doom game

[grand monolith]

i mean i still wont buy it ngl why did i even ask that, but i hope some kind of discount will come sooner or later, 50 dollars is rlly expensive thanks to my countries crappy economy

[graceful lion]

could check stores that sell keys

tho those usually dont get money from developers, or dont give them money,

and it could also just be buying keys from people's credit cards then giving back their money, making a fraudulent but valid key

if u can buy gamepass, then u should be able to play it

[grand monolith]

how much was gamepass again? (yearly or monthly)

[tranquil bluff]

i think its a dollar right?

[grand monolith]

how the hell

[tranquil bluff]

heard that somewhere, I don't use Microsoft stuff

I guess for like a trial thing then they'll jack up the price after the next subscription is paid

[graceful lion]

lemme check

first 14 days of gamepass is 1 dollar, then its 9 dollars a month

u can go for ultimate which has multiplayer but is 13 bucks a month

[ivory compass]

is there no tda modding channel? I want to install the no slowmo thing

[tight elm]

10 or 15 dollars a month

[graceful lion]

nexusmods doom the dark ages, look that up, then look at the mod for it

[grand monolith]

thats honestly pretty good

[chrome sage]

Hey is the new update any good? Anything cool added or just bug fixes?

[graceful lion]

just a ps5 berserker fix

[chrome sage]

Ahh okay thanks

[proud vine]

not enuogh vram

the 4050 has 6 while TDA needs atleast 8 HB of vram

[graceful lion]

tda runs at 90+ fps on a 2060 6gb, not the problem

[proud vine]

wait fr

[graceful lion]

i literally have one

[proud vine]

nvm

game can run on that

[graceful lion]

so it might be more of a laptop issue

or try using framegen or any of thast stuff

[outer sleet]

I love this game

[tight elm]

WE love ts game 🥹❤️‍🩹

[shell gull]

use CD keys

got base for 53 pounds

just make sure u have the hardware to run it because thats what happened with me

[civic fossil]

The game was fun it reminded me of the original doom games were it's not so fast paced

[split gate]

It’s peak af, but I understand if you wait for the price to be lower, prices are absurd nowadays

[civic fossil]

When will the DLC come out for the game

[grand monolith]

whats a cd key

[heavy python]

The trophy

[heavy python]

Just logged in the game

[stray hemlock]

Ah

[tall nymph]

My guess is, if we get 2 DLCs, 6/12 months after release date, if we get 1 dlc then 12 months after

[bleak herald]

That's not too bad ig

[vivid flicker]

I havent noticed but the dark ages took almost ALL my vram

Its actually insane

[shell gull]

its a website that gives discounts for games and gives u a code to enter into whatever platform ur using

doom eternal is like 6 pounds on there

doom 2016 is like 4

[ionic comet]

So when Levy made that TDA track it kinda made me wonder how it'd look ingame so I did this as sort of an experiment. Not immediately saying one is better than the other or whatever. This was just done out of curiosity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeaP7OTlK4

[split gate]

Noice, Levy’s take was great but I feel it is more on the synth side of things, I think it would go well for Eternal

[ionic comet]

well he did say that he made this track with the same process as eternal so that tracks

[split gate]

Makes sense 👀

[ionic comet]

I know people are saying synths don't fit as much here and while I understand that take, we still have lots of futuristic tech in the sentinel world

[split gate]

I honestly thought he would come back, it wouldn’t be unreasonable too, but I realised maybe it is more of looking for a specific group and not an individual…

[ionic comet]

who knows...

[ionic comet]

just listen to tracks like meathook and world spear

[split gate]

True, Sentinel Command would love a track like this

[ionic comet]

lots of synths and it still all fits despite taking place in the sentinel world

even in the more naturalistic environments

I do think this tracks can certainly fit with TDA

if anything that's what the video was meant to test

[split gate]

Same here, it fits with the pacing of the combat

[ionic comet]

personal preference but I do prefer this to Finishing Move's output

[split gate]

I wish either of the DLC composers came back but FM proved themselves and made me excited

[ionic comet]

I actually chose to do this level because its theme is one of my favorites in the OST

take a good Levy tracks and pit it against one of my favorite Finshing Move tracks

[split gate]

That’s fair it’s a banger, I personally think FM’s ost fits the direction more

[ionic comet]

the main issue to me is that once the music gets heavy, it sounds too plain

guitars lack texture and riffs are not extremely memorable

[split gate]

Is this about Levy or FM?

[ionic comet]

FM

their lighter tracks I actually prefer to combat

something I'd never say about any previous composers' works for doom

[split gate]

Ah I feel the opposite

[ionic comet]

well hey everyone's got their tastes

[split gate]

Exactly bro 😎, we need more discussions like these nowadays

Respectful discussions are unfortunately uncommon

[ionic comet]

I legit had to say that I wasn't saying one was better because otherwise someone would get mad

[split gate]

Yeah, there will always be one that would shove it down everyone’s throats though, people are just adamant to turn FM into their enemy for no reason

[ionic comet]

thinking about it tho I do agree that FM fit the direction more, but their output is still lesser. Levy's stuff may feel less tailored for TDA but it is a better track imo

like it's less TDA but hits other spots better that make it feel more DOOM

kinda hard to explain and again it's personal preference

[split gate]

Nah I get what you mean, I can definitely see that

Super pumped for the DLC tracks tho

It’s always good to see how composers improve

[harsh egret]

Maybe custom tracks for hordemode

[ionic comet]

I am excited to see what future tracks sound like

[harsh egret]

Doubt it but

[split gate]

Please FM 🙏

[harsh egret]

Would be cool

[ionic comet]

I don't doubt the abilities of FM. If anything I hope they take some of the criticism people like me have and try to improve their DLC stuff

assuming FM is coming back for DLC

[harsh egret]

But i think they will reuse from base game, which is fine

[harsh egret]

If they dont, I'd be crazy surprised

[split gate]

Yeah but it would be weird for them not to come back

[ionic comet]

it would be

[split gate]

I would question id at that point, there is no reason why they should

[simple cedar]

FM?

[ionic comet]

it's not like the fan backlash is so bad that bringing back FM would tank sales

[harsh egret]

Finishing move

[harsh egret]

Idk, i feel like thats not the case

[split gate]

Yeah the general consensus is that the game is still a banger and people like the music

It’s just a loud minority tbh

[ionic comet]

exactly

[split gate]

Very loud

[harsh egret]

A couple of my friends prefer dark ages ost to eternal

And so do i actually

[ionic comet]

like of all the modern doom soundtracks, FM's is my least favorite but it's not bad. The other OSTs just set an extremely high bar

to me it's just good

to any other AAA game, that'd be perfectly fine

I'm just spoiled from eternal and 2016

[simple cedar]

Is finishing move a soundtrack or like an execution ingame 😭

[ionic comet]

they're the group who made dark ages' soundtrack

[simple cedar]

Ohhh ok, im guessing the other guy didnt come back?

[ionic comet]

no David Levy nor Andrew Hushult came back to do TDA

[simple cedar]

First doom game btw 😭

[split gate]

I get that take as well, TDA’s ost is not mediocre in any way, it’s a stellar ost on all regards, I can understand people preferring 2016 and Eternal because they are seriously bangers

Like it’s a superb ost, 2016 and Eternal are just way up

[simple cedar]

Bethesda couldnt get the iconic guy from the last two games to come back?

[ionic comet]

That's fine. For reference, Mick Gordon did 2016 and eternal's base game but left after that. Then David and Andrew co-composed eternal's DLC. Neither of them returned for Dark Ages

[split gate]

Because of complicated issues, it was messy

[ionic comet]

Mick ain't ever coming back. You can look up why

this chat would turn into a shitstorm if we discussed it here

[split gate]

Actually I recommend reading what Mick said, don’t get influenced by what other people say

[ionic comet]

oh yeah for sure he made a long post about it

[simple cedar]

Can I ask some lore questions in this chat?

[ionic comet]

like in-game lore? sure

[simple cedar]

What like, in the actual fuck are demons, are they undead people corrupted or like natives to hell ala aliens?

[split gate]

Yep and the videos people make about the issue miss key points about what Mick wants to say, and how we should still support the Doom franchise

[ionic comet]

that depends on which demon. Hell is a realm in-game and demons are native to them. In some games, people are turned into demons like the revenants and the standard zombies

[simple cedar]

Also doomguy, in eternal he was like meant to be some antichrist to the evil god creator right? But the OG games he was just some human dude, did they retconn the old games?

[split gate]

Welcome to the club 🙂‍↕️

[ionic comet]

doomguy and the slayer are the same. After DOOM 64 where Doomguy stays in hell, he is transported to the sentinel world and becomes part of their society

[simple cedar]

Ill always call the slayer doomguy 🙏

[split gate]

That’s fair

[ionic comet]

from there demons eventually attack and doomguy is brought to a special machine, called the divinity machine, which gives him a part of the Dark Lord's essence, making doomguy turn into this superpowered demon-meat-grinder and that turns doomguy into the doom slayer

[simple cedar]

Whats the timeline look like? So earth was already like slightly sci fi originally right? Going to mars and all that, then doomguy goes to sentinel and then entombed etc. for like centuries/milennia?

[ionic comet]

same man under the mask. Doomguy is like the name of the person under the mask and the slayer is the title of the superpowered person

[simple cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[ionic comet]

it's all in the future and frankly it's pretty fuzzy.

doom lore barely makes sense

[simple cedar]

Is it supposed to

Or is it just some random fluff

[ionic comet]

ehhhh

it's a story that tried to be more coherent as the series went on. 2016 barely cared but TDA cares a lot

[simple cedar]

Which intro happened first, when doomguy was in the elevator or when he woke up from that tomb chained up?

[vagrant path]

basically doomguys story after doom 64 is evil dead army of darkness if they gave ash god powers

[simple cedar]

Ok nvm watching it on youtube

[ionic comet]

cool

I was about to write a while timeline

[simple cedar]

Nah

Do it, i meant the elevator question lmao- ill watch that, i wanna read like ur actual timeline tho

[urban sentinel]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ionic comet]

I guess timeline for the games would look sorta like this:

• DOOM 1 (Demons attack Martian moons and Doomguy stops it)
• DOOM 2 (Demons attack Earth and Doomguy stops it)
• DOOM 64 (The Motherdemon is brought to life, resurrects all the dead demons, and Doomguy kills her and stays in hell)
• DOOM 64 The Lost Levels (The Sister Resurrector also exists and Doomguy kills her, a portal opens and he is flung into the Sentinel's world which is some other planet)
• Doomguy becomes part of the Sentinel world and eventually gains superpowers from the Divinity Machine becoming the Doom Slayer (you see flashbacks of this in Eternal)
• DOOM TDA (The Slayer kills the Prince of hell and stays there to continue hunting demons)
• Doom Slayer is trapped in a sarcophagus in hell is is eventually found by the UAC as they excavate hell
• DOOM 2016 (The UAC is under a demonic invasion caused by Olivia Pierce, the Slayer is awakened and stops her)
• DOOM Eternal & DLC (Earth is under invasion again and the Slayer stops it before then killing the Dark Lord and thus preventing all demons from stepping foot outside of hell)

[simple cedar]

I def like some of the aesthetic in this game, like darker more gritty

[ionic comet]

btw I omitted SO MUCH info

if you want every detail, there's this video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7hOqcIT84

[urban sentinel]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[simple cedar]

uh, so it doomguy supposed to be like some legendary milennia old figure, or some average guy age like 40

cause i remember something like in the first age first battle, and then also like he's done alot got alot of rep. but earth still looks kinda the same?

[ionic comet]

I think after stepping foot into the divinity machine he probably stopped aging

that's my theory

[simple cedar]

so he wasnt in the first age? just some normal guy at first?

[ionic comet]

well the sentinels never encountered demons before doomguy showed up so their first battle with the demons would be after doomguy shows up. I guess that's what they mean?

tho also doomguy was the first being to be able to consistently kick hell's ass

even without the powerup

my guess is maybe it's been a couple decades or even a millennia, plenty of time to build a reputation and reasonable enough for a sci-fi megacorp like the UAC to still be kicking

also there's always the possibility of time working differently in hell since it is another realm and not just some planet off somewhere in the universe

[simple cedar]

riiight

if doomguy started out as just one dude why does he look like god/davoth?

[frail bloom]

I think this track fits well honestly. But to me, I like Infernal chasm, Into the Void, the menu theme more than this. I think if the synth wasn't obviously the Trial of Maligog synth it could fit even better. It's just cuz it feels more TAG than the Dark Ages. David did say he's making a more orchestral track so I'd be on the look out for that.

[ionic comet]

fair enough

very excited to hear

[frail bloom]

I said this in David's vid and some ppl were not happy to say the least.

It's constructive

[ionic comet]

if I recall correctly, Davoth apparently copied doomguy's body when being resurrected, the data of which I think he got from the divinity machine meaning it isn't his original form

[frail bloom]

I think some FM tracks are straight up forgettable but the ones' that hit, hit

[ionic comet]

there was a cut phase where davoth would turn into a dragon during the boss fight but time restraints and covid left this on the cutting room floor

[ionic comet]

fair enough

I like the themes for Siege and Resurrection

[frail bloom]

Weird I didn't jive with Resurrection

I thought the cosmic realm tracks and hell tracks were really unique

Cuz of the lovecraftian sounds and orchestra y'know

Now Imagine if David and Alex worked together

Knockout.

[ionic comet]

I would like to see that

the cosmic tracks are the most unique but not my favorite

[frail bloom]

It is unlikely tho

[ionic comet]

tbh if I had the money I'd pay David to redo the whole OST in his style for funsies

and if the modders eventually figure out how to do custom music, then mod those tracks in

[simple cedar]

I liked the lovecraftian soundtracked during the gameplay, but it felt weird during the cutscenes if i recall for me

Cause some action and stuff was happening, and it still played that slow eerie music; which was fine gameplay, fit the mood but less so during the cutscenes i think

[frail bloom]

Our best hope is that the folks at FM really hone their craft and create the best tracks for tda. It's likely bc dlc has less levels and they aren't bound down to some year 1 deadline. If all goes well they create smt special even beyond what I already deem special

[ionic comet]

I hope so too. Too much of TDA's stuff is just too plain and forgettable for me. Not bad but nowhere near as good as it could be

[simple cedar]

1 Year for 35 soundtracks is yikes, thats like a week per song almost

[ionic comet]

that is very tight

[frail bloom]

No they had 2.5 years

I mean for dlc

[ionic comet]

oh fair

[frail bloom]

It's less levels and they already had experience composing

[ionic comet]

I assume each DLC is like three levels like eternal

[frail bloom]

No I assume 6 but they have more time

[ionic comet]

I see

[frail bloom]

Andrew and David only had one month to work on tag 1 btw

[simple cedar]

I wish we had more variety of enemies lowkey, like lovecraftian creatures instead of regular demons in the lovecraft worlds woulda been cool

[ionic comet]

oh wow

[simple cedar]

Wouldnt even need to be alot of them, just maybe 4-6 enemy variants?

[frail bloom]

I think I have like 8 songs picked which is honestly more than anything from 2016

As an album 8 or 9 out of 35 is not a good score lmao

But it's a lot of levels y'know

Dlc is a more compact experience and in turn we get a more tightly crafted ost

Plus the youtube mixes are actually better than the spotify ones

They include the more unique parts left out of the original ost

[simple cedar]

Is spoilers for tda allowed in this chat or nah?

[delicate grotto]

The ambient tracks were a letdown personally but much of the heavier combat tracks hit.

Unholy Siege
From The Ashes
Pursuit of the Demons
Ancestral Beast
Colossus Unleashed
Infernal Chasm
Into the Void
Wither and Writhe
Divine Retribution
Blood Spill

…are all great imo.

[delicate grotto]

Yes

Spoiler chat closed weeks ago, so you’re free to talk about whatever here now.

[simple cedar]

Aight, uh was this game before or after doomguy got the god power up, cause he straight up fucking died (and came back)

[delicate grotto]

This is after. Maykrs took control over him after he was imbued with the powers of the divinity machine.
Commander Valen allowed him to come back through a ritual practice. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to escape Hell.

So he isn’t immortal, at least as far as we know, but he can be brought back from death through rituals.

[simple cedar]

Belligerent unrelenting monster summoned from satanic rituals from the bowels of hell to bring war and chaos... is totally not a demon tho 😭

[frail bloom]

Ye except infernal chasm

Idk smt abt the soft choir in the backround

[delicate grotto]

Lmao. He wasn’t very pleased after seeing what brought him back to life.

[frail bloom]

If only the other tracks didn't have droning ambient noises

It's weird to talk abt

So many problems but so many highs

[delicate grotto]

Yeah true, Foresaken Plains has good ambience. So does most of the cosmic realm. The rest is very forgettable though, and so quiet it’s practically nonexistent.

[simple cedar]

So he was only brought back from the ritual, which he saw as a forest; what the fuck was his plan stealing that boat and ramming out the gate, just fuck shit up?

[frail bloom]

Ye compare this to cultist base and it's night and day

The problem is that idk what criticism FM takes and if they are even improving based on feedback. Another issue is how ID treats them going forward, will they give them enough time?

If they learned their lesson then we will be fine but if not we might have some problems

[delicate grotto]

Good question.
It’s either A.) He only woke up because of the ritual.
Or B.) He wouldn’t have been able to cross the barrier at all if the ritual never commenced.

[frail bloom]

A good theory is that the ritual served as a beacon for where he spawns. He can break out for himself but then he'll spawn in Argent Texas or zmt

[delicate grotto]

Guess we’ll have to wait and see. As with what was mentioned earlier, the DLC is a more compact experience so perhaps composition will only improve given the tighter scope.

[delicate grotto]

Ah interesting lol

[graceful lion]

i guess so yeah, that was his only way out

or, the only way he could see i guess

[delicate grotto]

This is why we needed better lore codex entries man.

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm really hoping so bc I remember talking abt how FM will blow everyone away and that did not happen, in fact I was myself dissapointed till I learned to love what was good and adjust but after what happened I'm more cautious

[delicate grotto]

Eternal wasted no space in giving details. TDA glossed over a lot of its own worldbuilding, characters and logic. I can kind of understand it though, given the greater emphasis and production quality of its cutscenes.

[delicate grotto]

Yeah same here. Disappointed by the OST at first but after adjusting to it, I found myself really liking it. Same goes for the game itself honestly.

[frail bloom]

Ye smt I found is that if you dislike the game you're 99% gonna dislike the ost as well

[acoustic plover]

How does one activate console commands?

[frail bloom]

I remember talking abt how infernal chasm was the worst track out of the samples FM gave after the Dev Direct and here it is as one of my favorites

I was expecting all tracks to be like that and that was part of my dissapointment

Lack of variety over 35 tracks and some straight up not needed or sour the experience

Like Colussus Unleashed you can't defend that track lmao

It's like the Urdak heavy fighting track

Like why

[fallow arch]

This game has grown on me,i hope we can get a dlc soon

[frail bloom]

I hope we get it way later

Like summer next year

Give them time to cook

[fallow arch]

Indeed

[delicate grotto]

You don’t like that track? I thought it fit well with the setting of the level.

It’s a little generic but I like it.

[frail bloom]

No not at all it's rather generic

I can imagine a billion boss themes like it

[fallow arch]

What boss has that theme

[frail bloom]

Infact I think David's piece could work

[frail bloom]

No I mean in general with the droning riffs and quick chanting

It's a very simple track

[fallow arch]

Also,is it true that enemies will deal less damage if you face away from them?

[frail bloom]

Apparently

Weird butt tech lol

[fallow arch]

They really need to balance this game out

[frail bloom]

It's tech

Not really an issue for that specific one but there are some issues

Like the mace ground fissure thing

[fallow arch]

Guess i better abuse it before it gets nerfed or patched

[frail bloom]

Holy.

[delicate grotto]

That’s fair. Generic doesn’t ultimately mean bad though, at least not to me.

[frail bloom]

I think for Doom you need to maintain a high bar.

[fallow arch]

The most broken combo in the game,I'm pretty sure one dreadmace is 1/2 of a champion's health

[frail bloom]

Ye

[delicate grotto]

Plays in the 21st level. One version for the Atlan combat, and another heavier version for the Old One boss fight.

[frail bloom]

Pretty broken

[frail bloom]

No old one has what Lies Below

[delicate grotto]

Ah wait you’re right. My bad.

[frail bloom]

Which is a great track

[delicate grotto]

Reminds me of 2016 composition. It’s pretty cool.

[fallow arch]

Also I'm not sure,but the witch isn't from hell right?

[frail bloom]

I think my biggest issue is that a lot of heavy combat tracks use guitar. I think at least two tracks should only use orchestra and synth

[delicate grotto]

No she’s the one leading the pact between her realm, the Cosmic realm, and Hell.

[frail bloom]

Like why does Kreed have guitar in his theme

[delicate grotto]

Interesting we never see any other seemingly intelligent beings from that realm.

[frail bloom]

At least for writher and writhe change it up

Divine retribution is fine as it is tho except the melody rant I went on a couple weeks ago

[delicate grotto]

I like the track but I 100% agree that it does not fit him as a theme.

[fallow arch]

I definitely agree

[frail bloom]

See Andrew or David would've known that but they had experience

FM is pretty new

[fallow arch]

Btw,have the nerfed the ground fissure+dreadmace combo?

[frail bloom]

I'm just anxious I need them to really surprise everyone next time around

[fallow arch]

I think firstly they should lower the hardware requirement since my brother cannot even play the game lol

[frail bloom]

Not really possible

[fallow arch]

Indeed,i just feel liked forced rt is too much, although now I see the benefits of choosing a rtx 4060 over a GTX 1080

[solid nacelle]

At the beginning of the level the slayer suit outright states that a beacon is emanating from the mortal plane

[frail bloom]

I would just tell your brother to wait, no one is rushing him

[frail bloom]

Ah, well there you go

[hasty stone]

Patch today?

Hugo stream tomorrow

[shell gull]

why is the caco so annoying

[frank turtle]

so what the hell were those worms that came out of the kreed

[shell gull]

like not whiplash annoying where its fun but acc annoying

[frank turtle]

it's shields make it a little annoying to kill ngl

[shell gull]

yeah i would say the shields is the thing that is annoying imo

[fallow arch]

Im not sure but does every heavy enemy feel harder in the dark ages than eternal?

[frank turtle]

cacodemons definitely

[shell gull]

all the knight class characters r more aggressive cause u have a parry

and SSG that does insane dmg

[fallow arch]

Honestly,they should've kept the normal cacodemons,i think they look cute

[shell gull]

its mostly the fact u have a block and parry

[frail bloom]

Revenants, Whiplashes and Cacos are nightmare fuel

In eternal they're jokes

[slow zodiac]

I wouldn't blame FM for that, I bet they were doing exactly what id's audio team was asking from them. You shouldn't put the blame for the direction on the composers imo

[frail bloom]

No you're right

They're just now getting a feel for the community

See that's what worries me, is ID tampering with smt

[silent surge]

not in terms of experience or being fans of doom, though

[frail bloom]

Ye I guess I mean in terms of working with the doom community and seeing what they like or dislike

If they do at all in the future or already have

[storm peak]

Hello good

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I really don’t like the purple net attacks. Same goes for the Imp’s. They’re just annoying.

[shell gull]

yeah they aint annoying to deal with in a fun way its just more awkward than anything

its just the net attack

[chilly cloud]

and sometimes cacos have invincibility right after spawning, even before the shield appears

[shell gull]

yeah

would be better if the last net would be green and parryable

so its a reward for dealing with its nets

[chilly cloud]

and sometimes they don't charge their parryable projectile, which might surprise people

[frail bloom]

Guys it took 8 months after the release of eternal to get the Super gore nest master level

We get to have a master level 3 months after release

[rocky badger]

Real or just being hopeful?

[harsh egret]

probably that and more

i think multiple master levels and a horde mode or something in that realm

[frail bloom]

Hugo already confirmed a master level like 2 weeks ago so it releasing during quakecon makes sense

Playtested it too

[harsh egret]

yh hugo made that update seem pretty big in that sense

[frail bloom]

Ye I can see abt 10 honestly

[harsh egret]

now that

might be copium

[frail bloom]

What

Al alr how abt 6

[harsh egret]

10 master levels?

unless this is smth they been working on on the side before release, i just dont see it lol

[frail bloom]

Ok how abt 6

Eternal has liiike 7 right

I forgor

[harsh egret]

u can set ur expectations where u want, for me ill expect 3 and thats it
if its more, then great!

[frail bloom]

Huh why so low

[harsh egret]

cuz i doubt they worked on master levels before release

but i could be wrong tho

so it depends which one it is i guess

[frail bloom]

But we aren't in the pandemic anymore, neither are they working from home

They can release stuff much faster no?

They released the world spear master level 2 years ago

[wheat sigil]

how many mls we get will completely depend upon what other content we get

[frail bloom]

Soooo multiply 2 months by 6 you have a year

[frail bloom]

Idk what other content besides dlc

Depends on the content

[harsh egret]

horde mode and whatever else

hugo made it sound like they have more than just master levels in the works outside of dlc

[frail bloom]

I think they'll start horde mode after dlc

[harsh egret]

and they actually do

[frail bloom]

Or at least focus on horde mode after dlc

[harsh egret]

i think whatever it is is already in development rn

[frail bloom]

Alr as long as we get that horde mode

[harsh egret]

u cant tell me that reddit comment from hugo means otherwise

[frail bloom]

Ye ye I'll wait and see

For like a year

For now August should bring a lot of content

[harsh egret]

my biggest copium is that we will get master level campaign and horde mode but thats kinda leaning towards delusion

(at quakecon)

[frail bloom]

All at once or announced

[harsh egret]

if its announced then all at once is what id assume they would do

[frail bloom]

I think announcing smt like that is not delusion

It's possible

[harsh egret]

no i meant releasing that

[frail bloom]

Well no bruh

No duh

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-dare-i-do-i-dare-should-i-michael-the-office-gif-21612500

[frail bloom]

22 levels remixed and a horde mode that quick?

I never thought of that cuz like duh

[harsh egret]

yes in collaboration with nightdive

[frank turtle]

how's everybody doing

[harsh egret]

im feeling thank you

[frail bloom]

I'm expecting 1 master level, some sliders, some skins, an announcement of some mode, then that's that

[frail bloom]

Feeling fine thanks

[wheat sigil]

magnolious

[frail bloom]

Alr buddy

[harsh egret]

aaaaah u meant total 6 master levels

[frail bloom]

Ye total

[harsh egret]

thought u meant 6 released at quakecon

[frail bloom]

NOOO DUDE

[harsh egret]

i mean i dont think thats that crazy

[frail bloom]

They supported eternal up till 2023

[harsh egret]

but i said 3 for some realistic expectations

so i think 3 at least is doable for qc

[frail bloom]

Wait so you think they'll release 3

[harsh egret]

at least yeah

[frail bloom]

At quakecon??

[harsh egret]

yes

[frail bloom]

I thought I was crazy

[harsh egret]

didnt think thats that crazy

[frail bloom]

That was quick

Do you read muh mind

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/i-live-in-your-walls-i-know-where-you-live-meme-cat-caption-gif-25921313

[frail bloom]

💀

[frank turtle]

what should I do in dark ages

[frail bloom]

Bruh

Hato how's the accelerator model going

[frank turtle]

I'm thinking of doing UN with modifiers

[harsh egret]

doom the dark until you ages

[harsh egret]

eeh, kinda underestimated how long it takes with the amount of detail im doing, could be too much for what its supposed to be but ill see and learn from this one and apply to the next ig

but didnt have too much time to work on it, but was on it rn actually

[frail bloom]

Try smt like the flail next

Not as complex

[harsh egret]

yeah thats smth way easier

[frail bloom]

You said toy so I assumed it would be simple lol

[harsh egret]

looking at all the details and stuff on the accelerator.. didnt realise how much there was
and i just keep debating over what should and shouldnt be in a toy version of it

yeah ill see and learn from this one, just a starting point i guess

[frail bloom]

Guys what do you think, 3 master levels at quakecon?

Possible, not possible, why

[harsh egret]

possible for sure
also because it seems like its easier to do it now with idtech8

[rocky badger]

How do you think master levels will be integrated? Separate menu options, not tied to a specific campaign file? Limited weapons and upgrades? Or select a save file first and then select a master level?

[harsh egret]

much like how cutscenes seemed way easier to make in engine as well

they showcased how easily they can change lighting, animations, etc, and see changes in real time

[frail bloom]

What abt enviromental hazards and enemy variation. Some master levels are completely reworked with their pacing

[harsh egret]

prob just a separate main menu tab

[frail bloom]

Like world spear

It is waaayyy different between the vanilla and master level versions

[harsh egret]

imo i dont think it will take that long

hence why i think 3

but ye i thought expecting 3 was low xD

[frail bloom]

If we get 3 that would be crazy

Idk bc the master levels are usually so well crafted

[harsh egret]

i hope its not just khalim or sum bullshit cuz they been teasing with khalim vids on twitter

[frail bloom]

You think that would take time

[frail bloom]

Their twitter is uploading the most useless stuff like the game's been out for a month already

Seeing stuff abt the first level like what

[harsh egret]

they really dont show much at all anymore

they retweet stuff like merch or id devs with their concept art, or posting those 2 khalim vids xd

[frail bloom]

Ye like why

Why khalim

Why Hugo.

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

I hope Hugo drops some fat info tommorrow

I had a full page last time

GIMME DEM DATES HUGO

[harsh egret]

dont u wanna listen to josh and hugo yap about batman and his kids playing fortnite for an hr?

[frail bloom]

No. Idc abt Josh's trip to Japan although his ability to speak Japanese is awesome

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Nor do I wanna listen to "fridge cigarretes"

Like wtf are they talking abt

Such boomers

[harsh egret]

isnt that like a gen z term or smth

[frail bloom]

Idk

I'll call em fossils

[rocky badger]

6PM EST? I'll probably be in bed. I'll definitely ask you for notes in the morning

[hard thistle]

Holy shit they also fixed Berserker trophy on PS5

I already had the platinum requirements for well over a month but now it is official

[frank turtle]

playing un 500% player damage

terrifying ngl

spire really deserves a master level

[vivid flicker]

Does that mean dying from a single hit

[frank turtle]

nah just a few hits

[vivid flicker]

Oh that should be fine

[tall nymph]

has anyone else had this issue with shotgun resetting to regular shotgun after each map, even when not used?

like first time I pull out ssg on a new level, I suddenly have regular shotgun out instead?>

[hard thistle]

Yeah the game has a built-in anti-oneshot mechanism

still 500% player damage sounds unhinged lol, I wouldn't even dare do it without slider abuse lol

g'luck halfawake

[neat rune]

I'm pretty sure that's happened to me I thought maybe I was just tripping or switched without realizing

[meager bridge]

What is better the crucible or the mace

[lunar spire]

Does anyone know if the pandemonium bug of reverting you to the level you just played is fixed yet?

[worldly sun]

Yep every time

Especially noticeable during my UN run

[vital rapids]

I like the relaxed conversational style of the slayers club streams at the moment, at least while the info they can drop is fairly limited it's nice to chill out and get some insight into the thinking of the devs

[hard thistle]

Mace recharges ezly

BUT crucible can one-shot every last thing..

I think I'll go for Mace still because Cacodemons get one-shot by it

DOOM TDA's cacos are just evil lol

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh I want a 300 page essay on the next slider update ASAP

[hard thistle]

so what happened with recent update?

I've been relatively inactive from doomcord lately. I only know Berserker trophy finally got fixed on PS5 and I got my plat today

[frail bloom]

That's it

Hopefully Hugo says smt tommorrow

I know for a fact that we get a major update this quakecon

But inbetween I just don't know

[hard thistle]

aight thanks for the heads-up

I honeslty started cheering seeing the berserker trophy show up

even tho I got all milestones for quite a while, that missing 10% really didn't feel right at all

[shell gull]

for some reason i need disable and renable DLSS every time i load up a level for it to acc work

[lunar spire]

Question still standing if the pandemonium bug has been fixed

I already beat UN, I haven't completed pandemonium due to the bug essentially soft locking me halfway through the game

[wide oyster]

What's the TLDR consensus on this game?

Still feeling like I'm forcing my way through it.....trying to push to where I feel like I'm having fun....but just getting nowhere.

Stand and fight concept just feels half baked and unrealistic. I focus a non-standard enemy, play paddy cake, and then eventually get rocked from the side or from some random projectile.

Movement feels sluggish without any double jump or dash.....so I end up clearing arenas and then look at all the armor and health I didn't even use.

Lastly, the overall game flow feels pulled between combat stages and open exploration. As someone who wants to generally attempt to find all the secrets in each level.....this detracts from a fluid experience since I'm constantly checking the map, backtracking, and sitting in rooms trying to figure out secrets that are only accessible if I progress the level further.

I like the concepts at play here, I like the demons, I like the guns, I like the shield!

Story and soundtrack we don't really need to talk about lol....

Any thoughts on the above? Any tips for a better experience?

Playing on PC w/ controller if it means anything

[hard thistle]

Depends where you ask

[lunar spire]

I don't think there needs to be a consensus, just your experience. The game is not doom eternal part 2, it is meant to be a walking tank experience

[hard thistle]

I hear redditors flame this game but also praise it
This discord? I mostly see praise

But the only way to know if you enjoy it is by playing it

[lunar spire]

↑

[wide oyster]

I guess I'm feeling disconnected from the "challenge" that usually comes with doom games. I usually feel like even though I die, I can grasp what I did wrong.

This game however doesn't really do that IMO?

[lunar spire]

If you die, it's because you aren't paying attention to your surroundings or attack telegraphing

[hard thistle]

I didn't have that much. I did have deaths where I went 'DAFUQ HIT ME?' but that is not too unique to TDA

Overall I like DOOM TDA, only Doom game i ever platted (in part because there's no blightful online-only trophies)

I'd say it's very great, even

[lunar spire]

You must stay on top of clearing the arena of smaller enemies, and take out the heavies pretty rapidly. If you're struggling to do that, use shield throw to clear adds and to stun lock heavies, and impaler to destroy heavies.

[hard thistle]

yeah keep an eye out for heavies

[wide oyster]

I definitely don't hate it....just been struggling to find the magic I felt with previous games.

Ultimately at the end of the day that's ok....but wanted to throw some thoughts here for the audience

[lunar spire]

Honestly, my take is that I don't think controller is the best option. I adore playing it on M&K but didn't like controller.

[hard thistle]

that's fair. yeah DOOM 2016 and Eternal set the bar insanely high. Of course DOOM 2016 and Eternal were both very different games, so going into a completely different direction again with TDA was a best-case scenario. But different or not, previous games were both considered great, so bar's high

[wide oyster]

Definitely can get on board with that. Played all previous games K+M

[lunar spire]

Give it a shot on M&K

Gives you much more ease of use imo

[hard thistle]

And some people have not gotten over the Mick gordon thing. Dunno how many people are actively hating and refusing to play it because of that, but it's something I hear about at times

[wide oyster]

I'm not a white knight in that regard....and I also won't say the game is trash based on story either. This ain't doom 3 lol

[lunar spire]

I don't understand the track hate. I'm a metal vocalist of over a decade, I love metal, and this soundtrack feels right at home

[wide oyster]

Would it's just a setup issue right now for me. Playing on the living room TV

[hard thistle]

oh yeah the soundtrack is good. for general standards its really good. Mick just set an extremely high bar, but I'm willing to accept any other musician if they deliver good stuff

[lunar spire]

Ahhh. What are your settings for sensitivity scaling and stuff?

[wide oyster]

Lemme check. I've done some tweaking and honestly I feel like they are still working against me

[hard thistle]

And I think the musicians delivered well for TDA

[lunar spire]

Yeah same here. It's not Mick because imo Mick would not have been the artist for this project anyway. It needed to be brutal and old school, not so much argent metal, and I think finishing move did it appropriately

And because unfortunate stuff happened obviously

[hard thistle]

Overall I'm very positive with the final product. In the past I also praised the trilogy in part because of how distinct each entry is while doing things well (DOOM 2016 the simplistic, balls-to-the-wall grindhouse entry, DOOM Eternal the post-apocalyptic heroic tale, DOOM TDA the epic sci-fi fantasy/horror entry), and the soundtrack fits TDA well

[wide oyster]

15/15/15

Aim assist on at 100%

[lunar spire]

Lower aim assist to 50% and lower the look speed scaling. You want it snappy and responsive.

I don't remember the exact setting name, one moment.

[wide oyster]

To clarify, acceleration right?

[lunar spire]

I'm double checking, but I believe so

[lunar spire]

I agree fully. Each one is completely different in approach, and that's rare to come across.

[hard thistle]

TDA almost feels like a space opera

[lunar spire]

Horizontal: 82%
Vertical: 76%
Look acceleration: 10%
Aim assistance: 100% (this should be a little lower imo)

[hard thistle]

A great one at that

[lunar spire]

Facts. I know people will say I'm crazy but this is my favorite entry in the series. It wasn't hard for the sake of being hard (doom eternal) and it wasn't so easy that anyone can beat the hardest difficulties, with very fun combat mechanics.

[hard thistle]

I never felt Eternal was hard for the sake of being hard but it felt a bit too 'ad hoc' sometimes

[lunar spire]

I think doom 2016 is in the middle between eternal and TDA in terms of difficulty, but then again I did a no damage run and imps made me want to rip my hair out

[hard thistle]

Like, one specific approach for certain things. Of course you can fight marauders and cacodemons in different ways from the explicit ways the game advices you to, but in DOOM TDA you feel like you are the doom slayer, you don't have to adapt to enemies, enemies have to adapt to you

[hard thistle]

No-damage? Dang.

[lunar spire]

It was n o t fun and I do n o t advise it

[hard thistle]

Oh yeah Imps are a menace on Nightmare. Tho I actually found DOOM 2016 Nightmare to only be truly fucked in the first three levels, with Siege Mode and SSG max'd and BFG ammo rune you become the boss

[lunar spire]

Yep.

[hard thistle]

I had more difficulty doing a pistol-only run on the lowest difficulty. It was just fucked

[lunar spire]

The first three levels I think I "died" more than the entire playthrough

[hard thistle]

It was mostly boring tho and I also bottlenecked my run by not allowing grenades and glory kills (whereas some other pistol-only runners did allow those)

[lunar spire]

I am eventually going to do a doom TDA no damage run but only once I finish up personal life stuff for my career

[lunar spire]

Dang. That seems difficult but fun. I like the ones that strike that balance. The no damage run was just tears of pain and rage

[lunar spire]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. You choose how you do it because they are your playground

[hard thistle]

The most difficult part was tedium.

Outside of (fully charged) pistol shots, I only allowed explosive barrel damage, infighting and the explosion that happens after your power-up runs out. These count as environmental damage in my book.

Only mandatory glory kills were allowed. Fights were long. The room with all those pinkies in hell was annoying, had to perform trickery.

[frail bloom]

Ye eternal is a micro game, it's based on your character. Tda is a macro game, it's based on the enemies

[hard thistle]

Had to use mancubus and baron to infight a bit with pinkies, then use explosive barrels, then tried to take them out with my pistol

[frail bloom]

Both dabble in both respective areas but one is more than the other

[lunar spire]

That's a good way of putting it

Probably why I like TDA more

I like being able to make my own builds to optimize how I play, instead of being "forced" (I know barely anything is forced in eternal but you get the spirit behind it) into a playstyle

[frail bloom]

Crazy how you can work 2.5 years on game, putting your soul behind it and have your art called soulless and inferior

Just cuz you're unknown

[lunar spire]

Yeah :/

[hard thistle]

The term 'soulless' is becoming less meaningful by the day

[frail bloom]

Poor Alex

Poor Brians

Poor Jay

[graceful lion]

we know why they got fired now btw

[split gate]

Don’t be fazed by people who call you crazy over an opinion for a video game bro

[lunar spire]

Oh I'm not fazed by it lol

[frail bloom]

Who FM??

[graceful lion]

but also they never claled them souless im pretty sure

[graceful lion]

unknown worlds founders

ooh wait, ur not talking about that mb

[frail bloom]

Uh yeah lmao

[lunar spire]

I like it cuz I like it, not because anyone told me to or not to

[split gate]

Facts, as you should 🗣️🗣️

[frail bloom]

I know David doesn't mean ill will but his music vid has done more harm then good

[lunar spire]

wait are we talking about ID devs?

[frail bloom]

Discussion abt music

[lunar spire]

Ahhhh, so you mean finishing move folks yeah?

[frail bloom]

Ye

[vital rapids]

Why, what's going down?

[lunar spire]

gotcha gotcha. Didn't know their names.

[split gate]

I knew something was going to happen when Levy uploaded it, there’s going to be insufferable people, I didn’t bother looking at the comments anymore

[graceful lion]

but basically sn2 fouders got fired because tldr krafton said if they wer able to release early access in 2025 (EA was literally ready btw) krafton would give them a big bonus (250 mil), so since krafton didnt wanna pay up, they fired the founders

[graceful lion]

"GRRR UR SAYING THEIR WORK SUCKSKCS!!"

[split gate]

Wait are people defending FM in the comments?

[frail bloom]

All the comments are, "FM are great and all but this blows each track out of the water" and a bunch of "it should've been you not this company" and a couple "much better then that soulless trash"

[graceful lion]

i dont know, didnt look at the comments

[lunar spire]

That's how I saw half the people being mad about TDA lol

[graceful lion]

oh wait so people are saying FM suck?

[lunar spire]

doom the dark ages

[frail bloom]

Ye there's a resurgence

[lunar spire]

oh

[frail bloom]

Bc of David's vid

[lunar spire]

mb

[graceful lion]

they literally dont tho people are delusional 💔

[frail bloom]

Not his fault at all

[split gate]

Ah, predictable once again

[graceful lion]

david : i jus wanna make this cool music video, i love the music that FM put out, its great
comments : yeah this is better than anything FM ever made
david : guys no what the fuck

[frail bloom]

David even referenced the menu theme so he clearly loves the tda ost

[split gate]

Over one track too. This shows Doom fans know nothing about music at all.

[vital rapids]

Oof people are really drones sometimes. Having 100% predictable copy paste opinions ftl

[frail bloom]

This isn't even the worst example just look at any Andy strider doom cover

[graceful lion]

they literally just want more synths or whatever tf was in doom eternal and its dlcs

[graceful lion]

"this is better than FM's work" or some shit idk im not a moron

[frail bloom]

The one's I hate most are the "Remicks"

[split gate]

I listened to his covers a few times, how could anyone say it’s better 💀

[frail bloom]

They turn the tda ost into smt from doom 2016

[vital rapids]

Thing is, plenty of Doom fans like it.

Vocal toxic people on Internet are often in the minority.

[frail bloom]

No clue, there's no punch, no grit

[split gate]

Yep. I mean the vocal minority in particular

[frail bloom]

I like it but he needs more equipment

[graceful lion]

"heh, this is good shit, not f*nishing move or whoever they are"