the-dark-ages

[dreamy kiln]

XD

[frail bloom]

Well he was right in that there were master levels

It's always them asians /j

[harsh egret]

well i think they already teased stuff on stream

[dreamy kiln]

They find anything

[harsh egret]

but who knows

[frail bloom]

Ye but the guy seems so confident, and hugo said "on the way"

[harsh egret]

if he will be right, make sure to @ him here and ask him to reveal everything else he knows

[frail bloom]

Ofc it could be coincidence

[harsh egret]

[harsh egret]

imo hugo sounded more like he wants the game to be in a certain spot for the quakecon update, so i think that will be the first big update

hell, theres less than a month and 2 weeks until that

[frail bloom]

Ye seems like it

[harsh egret]

and its gonna be perfect for me since ill be back at my home setup after summer vacation

dont have to play on a laptop with a 3060

[frail bloom]

When in august btw

[harsh egret]

7th-10th

[hasty stone]

is hugo gonna add fast travel?

[frail bloom]

School next year is gonna be a pain so I wanna enjoy tda as much as I can

[harsh egret]

i assume they will have a stream and drop the update on the 7th?

[frail bloom]

Alr that's good

[harsh egret]

yh starting my masters next semester :p

[frail bloom]

I have like 2 AP classes and a bunch of honors classes

Damn man

[harsh egret]

ngl i have zero clue what that is

im eu

[frail bloom]

Ye my bad for not explaining

AP is a high level course that has like a quiz every week and makes you read 30 pages per week

I actually have summer work rn

[harsh egret]

ah damn

[frail bloom]

Ye but I'm not able to find a job so I just took high level classes to compensate

[harsh egret]

ye ill have some work to do for one of my portofolios during summer, cant sleep on that when i have almost 2 months of nothing to do, as much as i wanna live like my high school self where i was just chilling lol

time fkin flies

[frail bloom]

Wait you're done with high school?

[harsh egret]

ah yeah i graduated my bachelors degree a couple weeks ago, starting a masters degree next now

[frail bloom]

I just passed my sophomore year

Damn it

[harsh egret]

ye its been a grind, hella stress towards the end but thats the same with everyone i suppose

[hasty stone]

i suspect quake con they gonna give us a master level and some skins

would be nice to earn more gun skins

[frail bloom]

Hopefully they release the dlc in summer so I can play on my break

[harsh egret]

some limited time event maybe with some rewards, for weapons, slayer skins ofc, idk

[harsh egret]

ye that would be sick for me as well

[hasty stone]

campaign dlc wont be for at least 4 months

[harsh egret]

i wouldnt be surprised if dlc wont be out this year ngl

[frail bloom]

I'm assuming it takes them almost a year

Considering the scope of what they want to do

[hasty stone]

they're big ass levels

[frail bloom]

And to really try and perfect it this time

[harsh egret]

even tho i hope they announce stuff at gamescom like they did for eternal in 2020, keep in mind the game actually came out in march that year and not may, and also this seems more like a bigger dlc than 2 smaller dlcs

i would rather expect smth for game awards

[sonic turret]

Ah, so the absence of the Arachnotron in the codex was an oversight? Maybe we'll get one in light of this. 🤔

[frail bloom]

Hugo said they were working hard on dlc tho, I'd assume an anouncement on quakecon and a full trailer later on

[harsh egret]

just dont have crazy high expectations for dlc

[frail bloom]

There is a codex wdym

It's already in game

[harsh egret]

i would honestly be surprised if they show anything for dlc in august xd

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I'd imagine it at QuakeCon too. I think there's another games Showcase in August too, right?

[harsh egret]

yh gamescom

[frail bloom]

Maybe like a title drop or a teaser

[harsh egret]

but like i said, better to have lowered expectations for that

[frail bloom]

Not a full on trailer but like, "ye we're working on it"

[sonic turret]

Not for the Arachnotron, they just asked Hugo on the stream and he said it was an oversight.

[harsh egret]

them working hard is like saying theyve been working hard on tda base game for the past 4 years or so, doesnt mean its out that soon

[frail bloom]

Someone better ask him for those lost soul and whiplash toys so I can view them ingame

[harsh egret]

i mean we know they r working on it

[frail bloom]

They're missing and it pisses me off

[frail bloom]

I think only like 100 ppl know lol

[harsh egret]

wut

[sonic turret]

And remember TAG 2, they announced it and it dropped the following day.

[harsh egret]

they have dlc marketed on steam, ofc ppl should know

[frail bloom]

No no nvm

[harsh egret]

but yeah for me at least i would be pretty surprised and borderline concerned if they announce smth not even 3 months after the game's release.

[frail bloom]

When was tag announced

After eternal

[harsh egret]

at gamescom in 2020 on the 25th august

[lavish kindle]

so 5 months

[harsh egret]

but i dont think theres a direct comparason here at all

[frail bloom]

And eternal released march?

Or when was it

[harsh egret]

yes

[lavish kindle]

remember they were also on a bit of a time crunch with Eternal. They had to get both DLCs out within a year of launch

[harsh egret]

a bigger dlc will not be announced faster than eternal's 3 level tag 1 xd

[sonic turret]

I don't remember, although TAG 1 released quite closely after its announcement as well.

[frail bloom]

Alr but they gave it a full trailer, I'm talking a tiny 10 second teaser

[sonic turret]

Why a year? Could they not have just extended the season pass?

[harsh egret]

they will do some behind closed doors bs like last year's quakecon or smth

[frail bloom]

Smt that confirms to the masses that yes, they have started working on dlc

Marketing and whatever

[harsh egret]

im sure more than 100 people know tho lol

it was shown in like every trailer at the end

milions of ppl have seen them

[lavish kindle]

had to do with EU GDPR stuff I think. essentially since they said "year one DLC" they had to get it out within that timeframe or they'd open themselves up to a class action

[harsh egret]

all i know is they will drop some update trailer for the quakecon update since it seems pretty damn big

[lavish kindle]

and they also unfortunately said that like right before covid hit so they really shot themselves in the foot accidentally lol

[sonic turret]

Ah, okay, fair enough.

[tranquil badge]

It would be nice to see some of the side characters like novik, thira, Valen, Marok, etc. in the model viewer.

They all have very nice models and sometimes it's hard to see all the details in the cutscenes

[harsh egret]

would be cool for artists making fanart as well

[split gate]

It would be reasonable to expect it tbh, the game would’ve been out for months, there’s no multiplayer to focus on so they can dedicate to the DLC and updates as much as they want

[harsh egret]

tbf not even 3 months after for a bigger dlc this time would surprise me tho

last time they were more or less forced to release 2 dlcs in one year

and it showed

[split gate]

Yep, we didn’t get the final battle they actually planned for

[sonic turret]

Oh without a doubt, we'll hear about DLC at QuakeCon or GamesCom.

[split gate]

Davoth’s fight would’ve been peak

[harsh egret]

if u ask me, they will just show some stuff to the ppl attending, not to the stream, like they did with dark ages last quakecon

some concept art, some small footage, stuff, idk

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I doubt we'll see any footage ourselves, but they might give use some verbal information.

[harsh egret]

i just dont see what they would show to the public unless they have a trailer ready, and this is almost too fast imo lol

even if they had it ready i feel like its too quick

[sonic turret]

Have everyone managed to get around the PC performance issues?

[harsh egret]

ive not had pc performance issues on my part at least

[sonic turret]

I know a lot of content creators were reporting having had issues, Gmanlives experienced a lot of freezing and crashing and Levaniel's copy was almost unplayable on her PC, and they're both probably using beast machines.

[harsh egret]

all i know is they've been fixing many of the issues since launch

[sonic turret]

Question: when they put the Arachnotron code into the game, which level should they hide it in?

[harsh egret]

didnt they already patch it back in?

[sonic turret]

I dunno, Hugo was juts discussing it with Mayo 20 hours ago, I mean I doubt they'd have done it already.

[frail bloom]

Code or codex?

Wdym by code

[sonic turret]

Codex, yeah.

It's the only demon that didn't have a codex entry, and it was playing on people's OCD.

So someone in the chat on Mayo's stream asked him why it wasn't in there and he said it was an oversight and that they'll try to put it in there somewhere.

[frail bloom]

No it's there

Along with the battleknight codex

Been there for weeks now

[sonic turret]

Maybe it's still missing on certain platforms then. 🤔🤷

[sonic turret]

Where is it located in the game?

[frail bloom]

You kill an arachnotron.

That's how it is for every demon

So it might be a new entry

[sonic turret]

Someone said they'd killed five of them, but it hadn't unlocked.

It might just be a bug then.

No pun intended

[frail bloom]

Ye most likely

[harsh egret]

i think someone asked in chat about it but didnt specify "why wasnt it there before u guys fixed it"

[sonic turret]

I actually thought they were in the lore pages that are hidden around each level though, I didn't realise you got them by Killing each demon.

[harsh egret]

but ye maybe still a bug

[frail bloom]

@hard thistle
Sorry to bother you. If there was a slayers testaments game, what places or enviroments you would envision going to, or at least describe what they would look like since it's primarily Hell

It's ok if there's no definitive answer I'm gonna ask a wide variety of people

[sonic turret]

A Lava Factory, like in Terminator 2.

[hard thistle]

I haven't really put much thought into it, but confronting an Archdemon like Erebus would be good. I've always liked the idea of visiting levels from past Doom games, or their ruins.

[frail bloom]

Great ideas

[sonic turret]

I'd prefer some new environments, such a new parts of Hell where Hell's high council and the six reside.

[frail bloom]

I already made the bosses tho I can't include the high council

I'll just include their areas

[sonic turret]

Maybe escaping from somewhere while it's flooding or a volcano erupting etc, with a timer.

[cinder estuary]

I like to have it on the ruby upgrade after the impaler

And after the shield has been maxed out

[woeful oxide]

Just finished playing the first 4 or so missions, and it's peak

Don't know why people hate on the Atlan and dragon sections cuz I was having fun during the first mech section

[frank turtle]

did yall see mayo die on asscrack

he shouldve used ravager 💔

[thin zinc]

the mech and dragon stuff makes up about 3% of the game, not even worth whining about. I've seen people complain about the turret sections. there are 2 of them in the whole game that last about 30 seconds each.

i liked the mech stuff a lot. the dragon stuff felt undercooked to me though

[tranquil badge]

It would be cool if the dragon could do barrel rolls or something

[frank turtle]

I think the turret stuff should've had changing enemy weakpoints to make it more spicy

[tranquil badge]

Just like wacky movement tech to spice it up

Mech stuff is really fun it's just rock em sock em robots on a Pacific rim scale

[thin zinc]

the dragon should have gotten to do aerial combat against other dragons or something. it was really bland and kinda dumb how he took down ships with the dodge mechanic, and that's about all he did

[sonic turret]

I like the Atlan stuff, I only wish there were more differert types of enemies, like maybe flying enemies and stuff coming up out of the ground etc. The Dragon stuff too, I guess.

[tranquil badge]

They did sorta touch on flying stuff with the mech boss fight, but it was more jumping up and slamming on the ground though

[tranquil badge]

Agreed, it does do good as a less brain intensive activity to break up the core gameplay, which i think was the point of having it

[frank turtle]

death markers in UN are completely broken for me

also don't pause the game after opening a door cause it can bug and not open

[uneven mortar]

When's quakecon?

I'm interested to hear about the update

[karmic dagger]

were there any updates about removing slow motion on parry

and executions

[stoic forge]

I don’t understand why. No matter what, you’re trying to parry while you shoot demons

Me: oh boy giant boss
Also me: immediately eaten

[whole mural]

God damn

That 2.18 meter tall European guy did a dark ages slayer cosplay

https://youtu.be/F45itz_3_eY?si=3IOnD-9kw6GF5_-2

[cinder estuary]

.... What even is this argument

That'd be like saying they are the same because you are shooting both guns therefore no difference

Also no, the pulverizer's strength is that you put yourself in positions where you DONT need to parry

You can circle strafe faster than most demons can turn

[hard thistle]

Has anyone encountered a bug with the Harvester shield upgrade?

Everytime I throw the shield on a fodder enemy they are not dropping the Harvester ammo

[wheat cliff]

ehrm, what is that hololive server you are in? 😭

[lone lily]

has anybody else here had a problem with your game loading in but not getting stuck on the loading screen?

[hard thistle]

Update: game file where bug happens is corrupt, rip

Also another shield bug issue(Steadfast upgrade)

[frank turtle]

on the combat shotgun, do u guys prefer tune up or flare up

I'm a flare up guy ngl, getting armor from fodder demons is nice

that'd be awesome wish they had that

hot take:chainshot is overrated, it's strong but really damn slow, although it's amazing for armor

[split gate]

Yep, they don’t detract from the game overall. Only pace breakers. I was surprised by how little they were in their implementation but it was great they didn’t do it every so level

[dark thunder]

what is the point of skins when thy player is on an rtx 2060....

I PLAYED UN MODIFIED JUST TO GET THE SKIN AND IT LOOKS LIKE ASS

[lone lily]

sounds like you're on an rtx 2060

[arctic verge]

War...war never changes

[lone lily]

brother switched text chats

[arctic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-hello-chat-metal-gear-solid-mgsv-gif-12982987967154689123

[dark thunder]

cosmic realm levels are the best because they run the best

[frank turtle]

seems like console runs tda better than alot of ppls pc

I guess it's optimized better on console? idek

[graceful lion]

low end pcs*

[stray pollen]

Hot take: purple mullet Imp is the best design in the modern Doom trilogy (Stalker Imp doesn't count)

[mystic needle]

is it still possible to get the shieldsaw decoration or no?

[graceful lion]

not anymore, was avialable until the game released

[mystic needle]

damn it, only found out about it today :(

[frank turtle]

I'm starting to really like the pulverizer, you just gotta get all the projectials to hit, which does pretty great damage @cinder estuary

sometimes tho it is a bit risky being up close with it

pulverizer against the first vagry is fucking nuts

[wheat sigil]

i've just the pulverizer against cyberdemons a few times, works well

[lunar minnow]

@tranquil badge I got it fixed!
After playing through a new save file it's no longer greyed out!

It must have been the save file that was the problem.

[wheat sigil]

maan, the whiplashes of all demons are really fuking me up lol

[frank turtle]

yeah they are a painnn

[wheat sigil]

only demon i can't really parry either

they really should add a damage scale between 300 and 500%

also actually being able to parry at all times would be nice

[patent escarp]

is there a way to set commands to always run on startup? Interested in g_fov always setting itself to 130, since it keeps resetting on every launch of the game. Thanks

[hard thistle]

???

[honest phoenix]

Solos assasin's creed

[lime plinth]

so ive bugged the game, im doomslayer in a mission where i should be atlan i can damage the titans. i will now attempt to eviscerate the titans as doomslyer

[wide zinc]

let's play dark ages!!

I can't stop cleansing the unholy!

[paper dome]

Wsg chat

[dreamy kiln]

Yo

[paper dome]

I'm here to talk abt the possible bugs in TDA(I haven't played it yet)

[last plover]

This is the 1st doom I have played sense doom the 1st one are the others worth getting

[dreamy kiln]

Yes

[last plover]

I have not seen any thy say hdr is fucked but my hdr only has 400nits i play with it off all the time
Anyhow

[lost summit]

Not dark enough

[upper ice]

Xd

[analog arrow]

This game just isn't quite right to me. Not bad. Just not great

Plenty of fun to be had

[upper ice]

test1

Please somebody text anything

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/ruan-mentioned-gif-23876676

[nova spear]

Fix berserker yo

[graceful lion]

wasnt it fixed

[frail bloom]

Is that like being able to sprint in whatever direction?

[tardy leaf]

I have to admit the final boss wasn't a final boss fight for us. We were the final boss

[silver flame]

You are the doom slayer

[hollow quail]

eternal or dark

[graceful lion]

he was overpowering us at first ngl

[silver flame]

Dark

[graceful lion]

what do you think this channel is

[hollow quail]

no im saying which is better

[graceful lion]

imo tda

[hollow quail]

dark ages wouldve had way more players

if it didn't require rtx

i wanna play it so bad

but i dont have enough money to buy a graphics card

[tardy leaf]

I prefer dark, sure there's a absence of glory kills but the gameplay makes up for it all, Boss fights too

[shrewd mountain]

Id say give it a few years, most people gotta upgrade anyway in this age

[tardy leaf]

I loved eternal but tda scratched a itch eternal didnt give me

[hollow quail]

i cant really say nothin cuz i havent played tda

[tardy leaf]

The weapons in TDA are fairly interesting, a really good mix of solo target or single target

I found the accelerator perfect agaisnt bosses

[hollow quail]

the skull crusher looks cool

[tardy leaf]

It is, wipe out groups quickly

The ravager is like the chaingun

[hollow quail]

have u finished the game?

[tardy leaf]

Yup, twice

[lunar minnow]

Hello chat.

[hollow quail]

ok no spoil pls

[dreamy kiln]

Yo

[tardy leaf]

Champion of Ash

[lunar minnow]

I'm not sure which is better, Eternal or Dark Ages.
Personally I'm very stuck.

[lunar minnow]

Unkindled are we?

[tardy leaf]

Thou ist correct

[hollow sandal]

Hi, I Like doom

[lunar minnow]

We all do here. 😊

[graceful lion]

removing rtx wont suddenly double your fps, you still need a good gpu to run the game

[tardy leaf]

I dont believe TDA is the "doom 3" of the new trilogy, personally its one of my favorites now

[lunar minnow]

RTX is significantly more demanding then Baked lighting, so if it wasn't required, we'd see better performance.

Including that ray-tracing is very demanding.

[graceful lion]

rtx is done by the gpu

the game is really impressively optimized with rtx

6 year old hardware atleast

[lunar minnow]

Oh it definitely is, I'm surprised it runs as well as it does honestly.

[tardy leaf]

Its one of the more optimized games this year

[lunar minnow]

Lower tier GPU's could have potentially been able to run the game if RTX wasn't required.

[tardy leaf]

Im glad

[graceful lion]

but yeah i feel like the raytracing and the game in general is more optimized than eternal, it has higher fidelity while requiring the same amount of resources

[lunar minnow]

We'd have more players, essentially.

[graceful lion]

i guess thats fair, yeah

but the game still costs like 70 or 80

[hollow quail]

Tda on switch 2 🤑

[lunar minnow]

I don't think it's as optimized as Eternal, yet. They still have a while to patch out bugs, makes things smooth over fully.

There is still some jank to it as of now.

But it will be hopefully soon!

[hollow sandal]

I'm running it on a 3080, runs very well. Some areas aren't as good, such as seige. But still runs good

[lunar minnow]

They never miss with DOOM.

There are no bad doom games!

[graceful lion]

i mean, it needs 6 year old hardware, an rtx 2060, while eternal needed a gtx 1050 or something which was like 4 or so years before eternal

[shrewd mountain]

Realest statement... except VFR

Motion sickness simulator fr

Mighty doom was fine, not bad

[graceful lion]

might be a 950 i forgor

[shrewd mountain]

And I didn't play the RPG games

[hollow quail]

doom 3 was mid

[lunar minnow]

DOOM's always pushed itself ahead technology wise, most people could not run DOOM 3 when it came out.

[graceful lion]

but eternal also has less going on than tda

like smaller environments, less npcs, etc

[shrewd mountain]

Your opinion, I thought it was peak

[lunar minnow]

For you! But, the fact is, id never makes objectively bad doom games. 😊

[tardy leaf]

Fr, I love how they spice up the formula each game

[shrewd mountain]

Doom 3 has one of the best SSG's in the whole series

[tardy leaf]

Doom 3 was different, personally I liked the horror theme

[shrewd mountain]

Doom 3 also influenced all modern doom games in some form

[tardy leaf]

I loved 2016s SSG

[lunar minnow]

I love what they do with the games each time, you feel like everything in different in ways but still feels like DOOM.

[graceful lion]

"doom tda is not a real doom game!!" mfs when tda is literally just modernised classic doom

[lunar minnow]

Real... 💀

[shrewd mountain]

People praise doom 2016's "horror" aesthetic, and then bash on doom 3 even tho 2016 directly used DOOM 3's art direction

[lunar minnow]

I loved DOOM I.

[graceful lion]

dont worry, people will warm up to tda, as they did with eternal

[lunar minnow]

Doom the dark ages really itched that.

[graceful lion]

they used to say the same shit about 2016 when tda came out

eternal i mean

[shrewd mountain]

TDA is the perfect middle ground between doom 64 and 2016

[lunar minnow]

Oh don't even get me started on the shit Eternal got when it came out...

[hollow quail]

Did people not like eternal at first?

[tardy leaf]

If they hate TDA then they hate classic doom

[lunar minnow]

Hell no!

[graceful lion]

yup!

[hollow quail]

Dang

[shrewd mountain]

It wasn't 2016 copy so it bad

[lunar minnow]

People we're hating on it left and right!

[lunar minnow]

^^^

[graceful lion]

give them 4 years and they will say doom tda is the best doom game lmfao

[lunar minnow]

A lot of people wanted DOOM Eternal 2.

[shrewd mountain]

I already think its peak, but its not a fully baked experience so

[tardy leaf]

Alot bashed on it cuz it was different from 2016 but warmed up quickly when they realized...its fun as hell

[graceful lion]

alot of people probably felt the same about 2016, they wanted doom 2016 2

[shrewd mountain]

Once the DLC('s) come out, ill make a full opinion

[tardy leaf]

Tbh eew, keep each doom different

[lunar minnow]

Also, it's completely fine if you like DOOM Eternal more, all the games are for all of us to enjoy equally.

It's just really dumb that people are hating on the games just for being different.
I can't wait to see what they'll do with the next DOOM.

[shrewd mountain]

If the doom game is the same as a previous, I would think id were losing their step

[hollow quail]

I loved every doom game at launch

[graceful lion]

and remmber that tda only been out for a month or so, eternal had 5 years worth of updates

[shrewd mountain]

I expect something new

[silver flame]

Screw eternal 2 eternal had so much cancer in the gameplay formula like I’m glad dark ages is more free form

[lunar minnow]

Definitely.

[shrewd mountain]

Cancer? Tf?

What was objectively "cancer" about eternal?

[graceful lion]

people are gonna slowly stop complaining about the "boo rtx boo" stuff aswell

[lunar minnow]

Eternal was really good, genuinely.
It just was for a certain audience that loves micromanaging resources while playing an FPS.

[tardy leaf]

I never hated on any doom games they announced, I loved every idea

[hollow quail]

People are gonna want tda two

[lunar minnow]

People are just upset because they might not be able to play it unless they upgrade their hardware.

[graceful lion]

me! me!

[silver flame]

I want the dark ages 2 big time

[graceful lion]

there is one problem with tda
ITS TOO FUCKING SHORT RAHHHH 🔥

[silver flame]

Or better yet devil may doom

[shrewd mountain]

No it wasn't?

[lunar minnow]

See, that's what so lovely about it.
They won't make a DOOM Dark ages 2.
We'll get something EVEN BETTER!!!!!

[hollow quail]

Ooooo debate

[graceful lion]

im making a joke, im saying i want more tda

[tardy leaf]

The slayer looks 10x better in this game...although he kinda resembles a certain someone alittle

[shrewd mountain]

Did you skip every secret and challenge and skim through the entire game? Ofc its gonna be short

But yes DLC will help its longevity

[hollow quail]

His helmet looks very cool

[tardy leaf]

I mean face wise

[lunar minnow]

I think they're working alongside the DLC on a gamemode similar to horde mode in Eternal.

Hopefully.

[hollow quail]

Like human face?

[graceful lion]

its theorized that the slayer slowly started to look like the dark lord overtime due to the divinity machine, adn tda was basically a few years after the machine

[tardy leaf]

You'll see when you play it

[shrewd mountain]

People say he looks like a character called guts from an anime

[graceful lion]

how are they gonna add magnitudes more AI at once but not have a horde mode, thats liike getting more soldiers but sticking to civil war rather than world wars

[lunar minnow]

Really? I think it was his destiny to become wrath incarnate and that he's a primeval, isn't that why?

[hollow quail]

I wonder if they based the doom slayers face off someone

[shrewd mountain]

I forget what its called

[graceful lion]

some bullshit fed by hugo probably, he was born as a human

[shrewd mountain]

Oh.. doom using AI.. 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[graceful lion]

uh-

[lunar minnow]

I'm so sorry- Could you explain this a bit- Heh.
Didn't understand what you meant. 😅

[graceful lion]

demons, demon ai

[lunar minnow]

That's what I read about the lore.

[shrewd mountain]

Yea im joking

[graceful lion]

yknow, more enemies, more entities

[lunar minnow]

Oh, you're saying they didn't just make that AI to not end up making a horde mode?

Or something similar.

[graceful lion]

i mean surely they will add horde mode

[shrewd mountain]

The game was made for horde mode

[graceful lion]

like we can have a shit ton more enemies at once, there better be a horde mode

[shrewd mountain]

Im praying we get D64 pain elementals 🙏🙏🙏

[lunar minnow]

It'd be so cool if they called it war mode or something. 😭

Like in line with the medival theme.

[graceful lion]

he was born a human, a marine, in doom 1, 2, and 64 he was a human, nothing different, and in tda he was divinitied

[tardy leaf]

I love how you can turn the demons harmless, shoot off their arms

[graceful lion]

the divinity machine was first used to kill, but samur reversed its polarity, anyone couldve absorbed that power

[dapper estuary]

The dark ages is goated, period

[graceful lion]

fuck yo arms bitch u my pet now

[shrewd mountain]

I always thought him being "created" by the dark lord was him creating the slayer through the machine, not some chosen one bullshit

[dapper estuary]

Gay

[lunar minnow]

Huh- I wasn't spamming?
Weird.
So it was after the divinity machine that he became a primeval?

[graceful lion]

not literal, and it was just a prophecy made by the khan

[tardy leaf]

I had 2 hellknights following me around and they cant do anything about it

[shrewd mountain]

We dont know what a primeval is

[graceful lion]

yes

[shrewd mountain]

Genuinely its such an underdeveloped concept

[graceful lion]

we sort of do, davoth is the only true primeval we know of, as the game calls him multiple times

[lunar minnow]

Yeah I heard that before, they need to flesh it out.

[shrewd mountain]

Yea but what does a primeval mean? God?

[hollow quail]

is doom eternal the ancient gods 2 the latest part in the story

[graceful lion]

lesser than a god, a demigod basically

[shrewd mountain]

All I know its a universal constant

Like an anchor being kinda

[lunar minnow]

Yes.

[shrewd mountain]

Yes

[graceful lion]

yes, becuase he lost his power after killing davoth

[shrewd mountain]

Unless you follow a headcanon that DOOM 3 is the latest in the series

[graceful lion]

since davoth's death killed all parts of davoth, including the one inside the slayer

[lunar minnow]

Huh- From what I know he didn't lose it, he just didn't have a reason to keep fighting and hence was put to sleep until he was needed again for whatever reason.

[shrewd mountain]

But you can place doom 3 anywhere chronologically without much issue, if you believe parallel universes exist

[hollow quail]

so no more doom guy story?

[shrewd mountain]

The slayer still has his powers tho

[lunar minnow]

That's what I'm saying. 😭

[graceful lion]

no, it seems to be implied all parts of davoth died

[shrewd mountain]

He didn't die or lose his powers, he just completed his goal and had nothing left to fight for

I would pass out too if I killed the devil god that made hell

[fleet spruce]

I believe you were thinking about Berserk, not sure if it was intentional but he kind of looks similar to Guts in this game.

[graceful lion]

did you look at the final cutscene, he fell on his knees like he suddenly became incredibly weak, and was having some sort of weird vision from his point of view

[hollow quail]

How are they gonna continue the story after that

[fierce mural]

hey guys i have a question

is there a track in The Dark Ages that could be "equivalent" to Doom Eternal's track "The Only Thing They Fear Is You"?

i mean the brutal tone of it and stuff

[graceful lion]

they specifically said tag 2 is his conclusion, so they will explain the past, as alot of the past of doom lore is not in gameplay

[shrewd mountain]

Hugo said he just passed out, im not sure how strong his word is but I seriously doubt he died or lost his powers

[lunar minnow]

Yes because he's wrath incarnate, he didn't have anymore of a reason to fight, his only purpose was to defeat hell, when he finished that, his rage finally rested and he finally rested.

[silver flame]

RUN

[graceful lion]

hugo says alot of stuff that contradicts the games

[graceful lion]

there is no "internal rage" or whatever

[lunar minnow]

[shrewd mountain]

Yea but you cant disprove everything he says

Just cause hes wrong occasionally

[graceful lion]

@hard thistle does doomguy have an internal rage or whatever its called?

[lunar minnow]

Huh, we have a DOOM scholar here?

[silver flame]

he has internal based

[hollow quail]

Wont they run out of past doom lore or smth

[graceful lion]

he has a 285 page google doc on doom lore

[shrewd mountain]

I thought that was the whole reason the slayer and berserk thing in TDA was

[graceful lion]

well then doom story is over :D

[shrewd mountain]

He has insane amount of rage, its not a superpower its just who he is

[hollow quail]

Aw man

[graceful lion]

well yeah, but he did lose the primeval part of him which was davoth

[lunar minnow]

Isn't the whole idea of the Slayer is that he's enraged at hell? That's why he's fighting?
When hell is gone, he has nothing to be angry about, so he finally rests.

[graceful lion]

thats what the story implied iirc

[fleet spruce]

Competition is very tight there, either Unholy Siege or Into the Void imo

[shrewd mountain]

The doom story was put in a place where it was "the end" but open for future games

[graceful lion]

could be true or untrue

[shrewd mountain]

Yea but wtf does being a primeval mean?

[lunar minnow]

That wasn't really clarified-

[shrewd mountain]

Its just a status we have no clue what it truly means

[lunar minnow]

Yeah.

[graceful lion]

davoth is a primeval, the divinity machine had a shard of davoth, doomguy absorbed a shard of davoth

[lunar minnow]

It wasn't really made clear.

[graceful lion]

yeah ig even mono said its just a title

[shrewd mountain]

YEA BUT WHAT DOES BEING A PRIMEVAL MEAN?

[fierce mural]

thank you :^)

[shrewd mountain]

Its a weird title that means almost nothing

[tardy leaf]

Eternal and TDA had the best hellknight designs

[graceful lion]

like doomguy was still basically a superhuman to some extent, incredible strength, stamina, and reflexes

[shrewd mountain]

I agree doomslayer has davoths power

[graceful lion]

yea yea

[shrewd mountain]

But he did not lose his power at the end of TAG 2, unless im disproved

[graceful lion]

priemval title

[lunar minnow]

Well, if you guys find a definitive answer, feel free to ping me here!

[graceful lion]

m0no likes to believe that thats whats implied

[shrewd mountain]

He just finally had a chance to rest and passed out

[graceful lion]

then what was he doing for 13 years on the sentinel ship?

[lunar minnow]

I highly doubt though that they would end off the slayer, especially when they made him as strong as he is.

[lunar minnow]

In the Demon prison. :)

[shrewd mountain]

Preparing a new suit, weapons, killed the first champion

[graceful lion]

"The Ancient Gods – Part Two is the epic conclusion to the DOOM Slayer’s Saga"

[graceful lion]

first champion was before doom 2016

[shrewd mountain]

He had to get to argent dnur somehow too, who knows where he ended up

[shrewd mountain]

When was this stated?

[lunar minnow]

Wait, so how are they gonna be able to make more games after Dark Ages???

[graceful lion]

because the testaments say he beat the champion in doom 2016?

[shrewd mountain]

Prequels

[graceful lion]

doom still has alot of story untold, like tda

[fleet spruce]

There are plenty of loose ends, Samur and beings beyond Davoth, if green clouds and thunder are any indication it means cosmic realm is still around. There are definitely a lot of places they can go after Eternal.

[shrewd mountain]

I thought that was the titan, i didn't know the hell priest kept a token on him

[hard thistle]

I don't quite get what you mean.

[graceful lion]

m0no believes the cosmic realm is older than davoth

[lunar minnow]

How much of the past is there untold? The only 2 things I can think of that TDA did not cover are the testaments, and the civil war.

[graceful lion]

do we know if he lost his powers from davoth in tag 2?

[shrewd mountain]

So the first hell priest had the great titan as his champion? Wtf when was that ever stated ever?

[hard thistle]

No, but it's heavily likely.

[hard thistle]

This was not stated.

[lunar minnow]

Huh, interesting.

[shrewd mountain]

I doubt it cause i think Hugo said he didn't, but he could go back on his word so who knows

[shrewd mountain]

Moomin says it was

[stoic forge]

It isn’t an argument. This is my first play through and I don’t have a developed playstyle for this game yet. I genuinely don’t really understand how the weapons are relevant to the runes.

[graceful lion]

what?

[shrewd mountain]

You said the titan from the testaments was the first hell priests champion

[graceful lion]

i didnt even mention the priest, i just said that doomguy defeating the champion was in the testaments

[graceful lion]

i literally didnt, where did i say that 😭

[shrewd mountain]

I was talking about the champion for the hell priest, not the titan

[lunar minnow]

Do you think the next game will be about the testaments?

[shrewd mountain]

You said it was the titan and I was confused

[graceful lion]

oh

[shrewd mountain]

Oh well miscommunication

[graceful lion]

i mean, tda seems to be the testaments

the testaments take part across millions or billions of years, its not just a 1 year thing

[shrewd mountain]

TDA is like, barely half of the testaments

[lunar minnow]

^^^

[shrewd mountain]

Most of the testaments are from the hell era

At most the DLC might cover the civil war and the betrayal

[lunar minnow]

I'm talking about the testaments like, for example, when the temple falls on him.

I know that's super recent to 2016.

[shrewd mountain]

If we get the hell era it HAS to be its own game

[lunar minnow]

Like right before.
But it's still a testament we haven't seen.

[frail bloom]

No the nekravol discovery

[shrewd mountain]

"Super recent" literal eons between

[shrewd mountain]

That too honestly

[lunar minnow]

He was trapped between that event and 2016, nothing was happening with him. 💀

[graceful lion]

again, as i said, the testaments take part across millions or billions of years

[shrewd mountain]

Eons between games

Not "super recent" lmao

[graceful lion]

classic doom implies he fought for eons or something lmao

[frail bloom]

That's before, that's what kicks off the civil war, so I assume the civil war is the next game

[graceful lion]

and at the VERY LEAST 60 million years, becuase agaddons are alive in tda, and not alive in eternal

[lunar minnow]

We'll have to see.

[shrewd mountain]

I dont want a whole game for the civil war, but oh well

[graceful lion]

as in, extinct

[shrewd mountain]

More doom games

[frail bloom]

So they can build the story affectively

[shrewd mountain]

60m years equivalent to earth time, hell is not bound to time like earth

[frail bloom]

And the game after that would be the testaments

[graceful lion]

yea yea

[frail bloom]

Then doom is done

[graceful lion]

but eons in hell

[shrewd mountain]

Cause how tf would valen be alive for 60m years if he's as old as the slayer

[frail bloom]

Just do timeskips lol

It's only the slayer rampaging

[graceful lion]

hold space to skip cutscene

[shrewd mountain]

I want a new doom saga

[lunar minnow]

This might be dumb, honestly, but It'd be cool to see in a super distant future Doom game how he got the fortress in DOOM Eternal.

[frail bloom]

Yup, now you're thousands of years into the next level

Who cares

[shrewd mountain]

We dont need the slayer
Female slayer.. (jk itll be called extra woke)

[graceful lion]

or billions

[lunar minnow]

Obviously wouldn't be the whole game, but a part.

[frail bloom]

Yup

[frail bloom]

Medieval doom saga

[shrewd mountain]

Jacksepticeye would complain about pacing

[graceful lion]

i dont tihnk we would get another slayer, he had to be blessed by what we knew then as the second most powerful being, second to the father

[frail bloom]

?????? This is different, it's just the slayer, in hell, it's an abstract story

[shrewd mountain]

I dont mean a "slayer" but a main character role

Nah Im joking, people complain about TDAs pacing because events happen too quickly

[lunar minnow]

Alright, well, you guys have fun deliberating! I got to go.
See you all later!
Take it easy!

[shrewd mountain]

If we skip eons, itll be funny to see their reactions

[frail bloom]

We don't need to know what doomguy did between thousands of years, he just killed demons, so in a slayers testaments game, you would skip to the interesting stuff

[shrewd mountain]

The only way I see doom expanding outside of the slayer is multiverse games, or different pantheons or styles of game kinda like GOW but with different kinds of hells and demons
Like a samurai doom with ONI styled demons

Theres so many different variations of hell

[frail bloom]

Like for instance, he fought the champion titan for a long time

Why make several games on that and waste resources???

Just do some timeskips

[shrewd mountain]

But idk, I would love to see more cosmic stuff

[frail bloom]

I think it's gonna be integrated with Hell

[shrewd mountain]

Yknow what I want

[frail bloom]

Like, consumed

And you would get a cosmic hell

[shrewd mountain]

Crossover games
Idk if its even possible but I would love to see the slayer team up with Kratos or master chief to take down their different enemies

[frail bloom]

No.

[shrewd mountain]

Fine, no fun or whimsy for me then

[frail bloom]

It just feels too marvel

[shrewd mountain]

Doom is already too marvel

[loud cliff]

hey

[frail bloom]

Even more marvel than it already is

[frail bloom]

Ye but like early marvel, not current marvel

[shrewd mountain]

They are both with problems

But doom pulls it off really well

[frail bloom]

So don't introduce more problems

Just saying

[shrewd mountain]

If the parallel multiverse exists in doom

Fortnite is canon to dooms canon

And Tony Hawks pro skater... twice

[frail bloom]

Jackeseptickye stopped playing tda right

Lol

[shrewd mountain]

Idk, he made a video, barely half a million views

[frail bloom]

Adhd got to him

[open island]

My pc with 6500xt and 10100f runs dark ages at low graphics somehow native as well 100+fps

[frail bloom]

Nah it's the views

[graceful lion]

burnout

[shrewd mountain]

He complained a lot about the gameplay not flowing with him, which is fair

[graceful lion]

thats impressive

[loud cliff]

i feel like dark ages is way too combat like

[graceful lion]

and eternal wasnt?

[frail bloom]

[shrewd mountain]

Its a combat fps..

[hardy fable]

me when my doom game has combat

[open island]

Tbh game devs should learn from doom games

[graceful lion]

me hwen the fps has shooting

[shrewd mountain]

AUGH MAN, MY DOOM HAS MELEE???? DOOM NEVER HAD MELEE

[frail bloom]

A doom game is too combat like

[open island]

How to optimize the games

[graceful lion]

so impressively optimized

[frail bloom]

What abt markiplier

[wooden leaf]

Path tracing shouldn’t be exclusive to high end gpu’s

[loud cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-24903806

[shrewd mountain]

Its funny how people complained "doom never had medieval themes" like the entire reboot trilogy wasn't heavily medieval, let alone D64 and some hell levels in doom 1 and 2

[graceful lion]

its alot more resource intensive, what do you expect

[open island]

And on 3070 and 10700f it runs 200+ fps dlss balanced

[wooden leaf]

I love the melee

[frail bloom]

Y'know it's kinda funny cuz jack got 10'000 dollars worth of free stuff and he just stopped playing anyways

[open island]

True

[shrewd mountain]

I had a heated debate over "how medieval themes dont work for doom"

[wooden leaf]

No clearly the gpu companies are limiting it to force us to buy newer models

[shrewd mountain]

Like hell isnt entirely medieval styled

[loud cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-christmas-tree-throw-angry-gif-15936546

[open island]

Could be given to some mid gpu like 9060xt

[graceful lion]

do you mean raytracing?

[wooden leaf]

I mean pathtracing

[loud cliff]

i love raytracing

[shrewd mountain]

Path tracing is weird

[open island]

How do you have media perms

[shrewd mountain]

I have a 3080 set up and I get like

[graceful lion]

bro, path tracing is literally far mote intensive than raytracing, its raytracing x10

[shrewd mountain]

2 frames

[hardy fable]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[graceful lion]

it looks far better and its alot more realistic

[open island]

I can't send any images

[wooden leaf]

Stop defending the multimillion dollar corporations

[frail bloom]

Y'know I'd like some big youtuber to make a vid on this game so I can watch it

But jack stopped

[graceful lion]

im literally stating facts about path tracing bro

[wooden leaf]

Hello everybody my name is marker pliers

[hardy fable]

i believe moistcritikal played through the whole game

[graceful lion]

me when the really resource intensive thing is resource intensive

[shrewd mountain]

Ew I hate mark

[hardy fable]

my attention span is fried and i didnt watch the entirety of his vods on TDA though

[frail bloom]

Ye but his constant crashing really dampered his enjoyment, he would like it more now but he probably uninstalled the game

[open island]

Ngl console players in eternal can't do much

[wooden leaf]

It’s literally not i made my own gpu and it does pathtracing better than raytracing (definitely true)

[shrewd mountain]

Why wont mark play TDA

[graceful lion]

are you saying theyre bad?

[open island]

While low tier pc player is enough to solo console players

[mental grotto]

You’re confused, vram is what GPU companies are gating behind higher end gpus. Not path tracing

[frail bloom]

Idk this game is so disliked

[shrewd mountain]

Console isnt hard, skill issue tbh

[hardy fable]

i consider myself really decent at eternal and im shackled to a controller

[graceful lion]

https://youtu.be/B0zqciiyUBU?si=NNNjecGiSl-UvKGg&t=28 this is a console player

[wooden leaf]

Just add your own vram

[shrewd mountain]

I can play nightmare on console with limited issues

[hardy fable]

I struggle making it past level 4 on UN but ive beaten it on nightmare more times than i can count

[shrewd mountain]

Its just movement mostly

[open island]

I bought a controller recently and have been playing ancient gods 1 with it it's ass

[shrewd mountain]

If you master movement you master nightmare

[mental grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091845811291299840/1245810995147051099/cat-thumbs-up.gif

[frail bloom]

I beat tag 1 on UN

[shrewd mountain]

Quickswapping is rly just a suggestion... its not needed for nightmsre

[frail bloom]

On console

[wooden leaf]

Download it

[shrewd mountain]

And take it from me I beat UN on every game except TDA

[open island]

Not much surprising gameplay

[frail bloom]

It was only possible cuz I played the holt on UN like 8 times

[lunar minnow]

Back, turns out I can't leave yet. 😭

[graceful lion]

0/10 ragebait

[lunar minnow]

You don't need to quickswap in Eternal to beat UN?

[frail bloom]

I finished the Holt on my UN attempt in like 20 min

[open island]

?

[lunar minnow]

Really?

[shrewd mountain]

Yea, thats exactly what I said

[hardy fable]

it makes life easier on certain combos on controller but its not hard to remember the weapon wheels order and just swap quickly with the weapon wheel lol

[lunar minnow]

That's like, the number 1 thing people say you have to do though.

[graceful lion]

anyways ima go to playing astrometica for 50 hours now bye

[shrewd mountain]

Mindless quickswapping is just good for ammo consumption, not strategy

[lunar minnow]

So what are your tips to beating UN in Eternal?

[shrewd mountain]

Movement

[silver flame]

What is strategy

[wooden leaf]

I turned pickups to max so no ammo problem

[shrewd mountain]

100%, master movement, its the best thing

[silver flame]

Doom eternal hardly has movement

[hardy fable]

know your arena and the enemies that give you a hard time too

[shrewd mountain]

And understand best ways to defeat monsters, DPS, weaknesses

[lunar minnow]

What do you mean though? Specifically.

[wooden leaf]

Compared to what? Ultrakill?

[silver flame]

Compared to simply even unreal tournament

[shrewd mountain]

You can avoid 99% of attacks just by moving around an arena properly

[frail bloom]

Oh here we go

[hardy fable]

i fucking hate cyber mancs and whiplashes so i put them pretty high on my priority list

[open island]

Dyno got named vega

[lunar minnow]

Regarding the DPS, isn't that why Quickswapping is important? So you maximize your DPS?

[open island]

@spring merlin

[shrewd mountain]

Like i love using 3 shot rocket on a mancubus, and then a ballista, instant explosion

[lunar minnow]

I've noticed this before.

[wooden leaf]

Just remove them from game files

[silver flame]

Vega I need you to locate the arc of the covanent

[lunar minnow]

If you move around enough, you don't actually have to worry about taking damage.

[hardy fable]

let me do that on my ps5

[shrewd mountain]

Most things are 3 hit with a lock on, hell knights, arachnotrons

[frail bloom]

Has anyone tried making the projectiles slow but do massive damage like hugo talked abt

[shrewd mountain]

I've internalized their health so I know the best ways to take them down efficiently

[wooden leaf]

@spring merlin shoot a hole into the surface of mars

[frail bloom]

Everyone is going fast but what abt slow

[lunar minnow]

Oh, that's what you mean by DPS?

[shrewd mountain]

Yes its so fun

[silver flame]

Vega clip that

[hardy fable]

just shoot it until it dies

[frail bloom]

Oh sweet

[shrewd mountain]

Its very fun but damn its fucks you up when you do stand and fight

[lunar minnow]

It's similar to the bullet hell from DOOM I.

Which was what they were aiming for I think.

[silver flame]

Needs more bullet hell

[shrewd mountain]

Cyberdemons and aggadons are hella hard on that style

[wooden leaf]

Hell needs unlimited bullets

[lunar minnow]

I'm wondering though if Ultra nightmare in Eternal is harder or easier then Dark ages?

[shrewd mountain]

Vagaries are my sworn enemy

[lunar minnow]

Which one is harder to complete.

[hardy fable]

fuck vagaries

[shrewd mountain]

I can beat UN in my sleep, im building up to TDA

[frail bloom]

I love to hate vagaries

[shrewd mountain]

TDA is a way higher skill ceiling for me tbh

[lunar minnow]

Damn.

[wooden leaf]

They should add ultra kill difficulty where you can slide around n stuff

[shrewd mountain]

Mainly parry timing, otherwise im sure ill beat UN

[silver flame]

I have a skill issue but aggadons take the piss

[hardy fable]

i hate all the champions except for the Aggadon i love that little guy

[shrewd mountain]

I love how the champion kill for the aggadon is slicing off their legs, implying thats just how they ended up in eternal

[hardy fable]

didnt even notice that

[lunar minnow]

They became the DOOM hunters right?

[shrewd mountain]

Yes

Its even directly stated in eternal

[silver flame]

I’ve been playing nightmare enemies 50% damage only done to them and holy like aggadons are big time stressful

[lunar minnow]

I always found that detail really cool.

[hardy fable]

they actually turn into the mecha zombies in eternal

[shrewd mountain]

Tbh I like speeding up gameplay during dragon sections, and slowing down during mech fights to get that "true" feeling to how they are supposed to move

[lunar minnow]

I slow down in the dragon sections.

I like sightseeing the city of Aratum.

[shrewd mountain]

I think dragon sections should feel fast paced,

Default speed feels so sloggish

[silver flame]

I love the levels looks

[shrewd mountain]

Mech gameplay is too fast, missing that impact feel to it

[lunar minnow]

I think the difficulty sliders make the game much more fun because you can actually modify the sections how you want like you mentioned.

[shrewd mountain]

Like I dont feel like a pacific rim atlan, I just feel like big doom guy

[lunar minnow]

Do you think they'll add more skins to Dark Ages by the way?

Like, rewards and stuff like in Eternal?

[shrewd mountain]

There are some already in the files

[lunar minnow]

Huh???

[shrewd mountain]

Who knows, I doubt itll have as many as eternal

[silver flame]

God I absolutely love doom

[lunar minnow]

Like, unused assets?

You mean?

[shrewd mountain]

No, upcoming drops

One of them came out for that one drink company

[silver flame]

Vega play super beast by rob zombie

[frail bloom]

Have you heard of the upcoming updates

[lunar minnow]

Ohhhhhhh.
That'd be awesome if we got more DOOM slayer skins.

What's in the updates?

[shrewd mountain]

They are mostly just color swaps

[lunar minnow]

Any big news?

[shrewd mountain]

No new models for the slayer

[lunar minnow]

That sucks. :(

It'd have been cool if we had similar stuff like in Eternal.

[shrewd mountain]

Closest was the divinity skin cause it just alters the visor a bit

[lunar minnow]

There were also some skins that you could get if you bought merchandise or other such things.

Like if you bought a DOOM controller, you'd get the executioner skin.

[frail bloom]

Hold on
@harsh egret
Do you have that list of stuff, may you post it here pls

For potential updates

[lunar minnow]

Are these for big updates?

That are coming up soon?

[frail bloom]

Some small, some large

And it's for quakecon I think

[shrewd mountain]

Quakecon should be a content update

Or at least an announcement to something

[frail bloom]

I bet they will have smaller updates sprinkled throughout

[lunar minnow]

It'll be cool seeing what they add. 🥳

Does anyone know possibly when the DLC might come out?

Not exactly, but just roughly how long it might take for them to get it finished.

[frail bloom]

I guess next summer

In 2026

[lunar minnow]

😭

[frail bloom]

Hey no school for me then

Nice weather

[lunar minnow]

Why so long?? 😭

You'd think they'd be thinking about the next project by then.

[frail bloom]

They already started working on dlc

Working hard hugo says

[hardy fable]

nice weather lol it almost feels like 40 celsius in canada

[shrewd mountain]

They work on the next game almost right after DLC

[lunar minnow]

They'll probably get it done sooner then.

[frail bloom]

I'm fine with that

[hardy fable]

the universe will burn before TDA DLC

[frail bloom]

Yes I know how hot that is

[lunar minnow]

Damn, their games take a long time then.
It was 5 years between Eternal and Dark Ages.

[frail bloom]

But I will tank

[signal glen]

Apparently the DLC isn’t going to have any gunplay. All combat is going to be entirely comprised of parry mechanics

[hardy fable]

im not, my only clothes are jeans and mostly black t shirts

[frail bloom]

No one said that

[hardy fable]

and it will be titled the slop ages

[lunar minnow]

Yeah- Not sure where you heard that.

[merry pumice]

[frail bloom]

Hugo never talked abt that

[hardy fable]

its satire guys

[merry pumice]

obvious joke is obvious

[lunar minnow]

It's probably rage bait.. 👀

[shrewd mountain]

A doom game usually takes 5 years

[frail bloom]

With this guy?

[shrewd mountain]

2016 took 15 i think

[frail bloom]

Have you seen them talk

[lunar minnow]

That makes sense considering between 2016 and Eternal was 4.

So it's average of 5 yeah.

[hardy fable]

but thats becaue they wasted so much time on the original scrapped doom 4

[merry pumice]

do yall think the DLC will take place immediately after the campaign where the slayer fights his infinite war against hell

[shrewd mountain]

Doom 4 was gonna be a direct sequel to D3, then turned into call of doom

Then a blend of D4 and 2016

[lunar minnow]

Probably going after the hell council.

[frail bloom]

M0no predicts he goes back in forth

[shrewd mountain]

Then just the reboot using elements from the previous

[frail bloom]

Crippling Hell, then joining sentinels

Until he gets betrayed, so he just goes part time to full time

[merry pumice]

ohh that’d be awesome

[shrewd mountain]

I think itll end with nekroval

[frail bloom]

Same

[lunar minnow]

I'm so confused, I'm not caught up on the lore. 😵‍💫

Why exactly? What context am I missing? 😭

[hardy fable]

The makyrs built Nekravol with help from hell behind the sentinels backs

[shrewd mountain]

After TDA, they discover the hell factories, civil war breaks out, valen betrays the sentinels, doomslayer spends untold eons in hell, found the wretch, killed the titan, and got crushed by the temple

[hardy fable]

and when the sentinels discover nekravol they turn on the Makyrs

[shrewd mountain]

The hell priests, the marauders, work for the khan makyr

[lunar minnow]

Ahhh, so you think it will end with nekravol, the factory?

[shrewd mountain]

Yes

[lunar minnow]

Like, the discovery of it?

[shrewd mountain]

Also why does ahzraks fortress look like nekroval? Is that intentionally misleading?

[lunar minnow]

No idea. 😵‍💫

Also, thank you for explaining that! 😭

[shrewd mountain]

Im like, almost second to m0no

In terms of lore knowledge

But im not perfect

[lunar minnow]

I'm still trying to learn all the lore, but it's not easy.

[shrewd mountain]

It kinda is...?

But i get why it seems complex

[frail bloom]

You forgot abt hoovy

Usurper

[shrewd mountain]

If you follow the lore chronologically, you put together the pieces really easily

[lunar minnow]

I've been trying to watch a lot of videos about it to learn specifically, but they're 3 hours long and intense. 😭

[shrewd mountain]

Basically

[lunar minnow]

And go into a lot of detail.

[shrewd mountain]

Doom 1 happens
Doom 2 happens
Doom 64 happens
Got sent to argent dnur somehow,
Divinity machine happens
TDA happens
2016 happens
Eternal happens

[hardy fable]

i taught myself the lore through bits and pieces

[shrewd mountain]

Doom 3 probably maybe happens

[lunar minnow]

That one I've been told is a parallel universe.

[hardy fable]

mostly combed through to find answers to specific questions and the rest came with it

[lunar minnow]

Not our universe.

[hardy fable]

i choose to ignore doom 3 instead of buying into the multiverse bullshit because its story changes nothing for the other games at all

[shrewd mountain]

Its most likely parallel, unless you subscribe to the D3 2016 theory

[lunar minnow]

What's that theory?

[shrewd mountain]

Its most definitely parallel to 2016 in some form

Timeline wise, D3 would happen 4 years before 2016

And with a lot of hell and UAC similarities, the Martians being hebethians, the soul cube connection

It could AT LEAST be happening parallel to 2016, connected via hell

[graceful lion]

same with classic doom and doom 2016/eternal

[lunar minnow]

Now you've COMPLETELY lost me. 😭

[graceful lion]

there are 3 earths and mars, but all of them have the same hell

[shrewd mountain]

Classic doom and the sentinel universe are different

There was a universe jump i guess

[lunar minnow]

You're saying that in another Universe, they created the hell portal, and that the UAC in 2016 also opened another hell portal, and they connected?

[shrewd mountain]

Yes all doom media is connected via hell and multiverse

[graceful lion]

classic doom (doom 1 2 and 64) have their earth and mars, doom 3 has its earth and mars, new doom (doom 2016 adn eternal) have their earth and mars, we never visit either on tda

[lunar minnow]

In a way?

[shrewd mountain]

Possibly yes

[lunar minnow]

That's really interesting!

[shrewd mountain]

Also the Martians in D3 could be the sentinel hebeth tribe

[lunar minnow]

You lost me. 😭
3 Earths? 3 mars?

[graceful lion]

yes

[shrewd mountain]

And the doom marine was depicted holding the soul cube in D3 AND 2016 in argent dnur

[lunar minnow]

Which Earth is our Slayer protecting????

[shrewd mountain]

Sentinel earth

[lunar minnow]

In Eternal???

[shrewd mountain]

Yes

[lunar minnow]

It looks like our world- Though- Like normal humans- Not sentienls-

[shrewd mountain]

Sentinels evolved into modern humans

[lunar minnow]

Ahhhh*

[shrewd mountain]

The doom marines earth was consumed by hell

[lunar minnow]

So our Slayer, is specifically trying to protect the sentinels.

After having lost his race of humans?

[shrewd mountain]

The humans evolved from sentinels yes

[lunar minnow]

... That's so sad. 😢

Doom is dark when you really think about it. 😭

[hardy fable]

the game containing demons and hell is dark

[harsh egret]

• Making chaingunners more of a threat (upcoming patch)

• Dragon tutorial segments will get removed(?) (i assume it will be a toggleable setting, not sure exactly, but meant to improve replayability)

• Probably adding an extra tier on the parry window difficulty where you would have to be pixel perfect with your parries (DLC update, maybe sooner)

• Enhancing the visuals of the pinky bite attack and taking it OFF the brink-of-death list (upcoming patch)

• The Marauder was a big part of early TDA prototypes

• When asked about DLC story: "We can't tell the entirety of Valen's son, because if we tell it all the way to completion, that is the end of the Dark Ages period. I think there's more to tell there, and we'll definetely go into some more good stuff for sure."

• "Something very fun with master level is on the way"

• Looking to turn off the green attack on a few AI here and there (some AI should hold you accountable, adding more variety, an example was the Mancubus ground slam breaking your shield)

• Hugo mentions "I can't wait to share with you guys all of the other stuff we have going on, it's killing me to not talk about it right now but it's pretty awesome."
  He also talks about how people are comparing the value proposition of Eternal vs TDA whereas Eternal got more than a year worth of updates. "Give us some time here, we will increase the value proposition over the course of the next year."

• Also Hugo returns next week with the weekly TDA streams :p

@frail bloom

[frail bloom]

Thank you

Are y'all reading

[gilded fulcrum]

Release full-game on-disc

[frail bloom]

Like physical disc?

[harsh egret]

yh the list above is some notes from hugo mayo stream

[frail bloom]

There is the ost releasing on disc

[lunar minnow]

Read it!

[hardy fable]

and vinyl

[frail bloom]

Not sure abt game tho

[lunar minnow]

It looks awesome!

Sucks that nothing was mentioned about a horde mode. 😭

Specifically.

[frail bloom]

He said maybe, it depends

[gilded fulcrum]

Release full-game on-disc

[frail bloom]

Uhhh

[hardy fable]

at the end of the day who gaf man

[lunar minnow]

Did he mention what it depends on?

[frail bloom]

Whatever style of horde mode they wanna do, or if there are other things they would work on

[whole night]

Probably dlc first

[lunar minnow]

That's completely fair yeah.

I'm excited either way!

Thanks for sharing the list you guys!

[gilded fulcrum]

Not buying Dark Ages unless I can play it completely offline instead of the physical version being a glorified license-key

[frail bloom]

Fair

You do you

[hardy fable]

i didnt even get a disc with my CE

its not the end of the world i can still play the game

[frail bloom]

I think not havinga physical disc is kinda dumb

[gilded fulcrum]

For now

[frail bloom]

But ye it doesn't ruin everything

[mental grotto]

It’s just the reality of playing games nowadays. You don’t actually own shit

[hardy fable]

you sound like a prepper lol

[gilded fulcrum]

Nope, games get yoinked from digital stores everyday

[tribal patrol]

when the hell did they add two mancubi to the sentinal barracks boss fight, ruined my UN run

[frail bloom]

Now you know

[mental grotto]

Fatty jumpscare

[hardy fable]

if they're getting yoinked they probably werent all that good to begin with

physical discs get yoinked from stores irl

[mental grotto]

If buying isn’t owning piracy isn’t stealing 👍

[hardy fable]

yup

but im behaving and they're not taking away my games, so until i start getting games removed from my library for no reason, i dont care about physical or not

[mental grotto]

Same here

[graceful lion]

eternal earth is still up and running, mostly consumed

[frail bloom]

That's like 3 earths

Damn

[arctic flame]

Yo any one want a free code for the Onyx skin??

[whole night]

Yo

I’ll take it

[arctic flame]

DM me buddy

[shrewd mountain]

I hate how the steelbook cannot hold the game

Its just for the keycard

[heady cloud]

i wish i could do that to mayo and tell him to GTFO here

[shrewd mountain]

Basically its
The marines earth (most similar to ours) probably not evolved from sentinels

Doom 3 earth, seperate from both, but could be related to the hebeth tribe, but its just headcanon

Sentinel earth, 100% sentinel evolved humans

[frail bloom]

I guess Mayo can just drop his communication with hugo and we wouldn't have the content we want anymore

Since we seem to hate him so much

[hardy fable]

or Bethesda and ID can listen to other people in the community too lol

[frail bloom]

Hugo literally dropped into his other stream

For 2 hours

They both talk reguraly abt updates

[hardy fable]

our communication with the devs shouldnt bottleneck at one youtuber, especially one people seem to dislike as much as mayo

[shrewd mountain]

Why people dont like mayo?

[frail bloom]

It's a guy that has made mistakes and acknowledges it

[shrewd mountain]

I barely watch him

[frail bloom]

Why don't you ask him, he's in the server

[hardy fable]

i just dont agree with most of his opinions and really hate the way he talks about everything

he sounds like hes talking down most of the time and its probably not on purpose but i cannot stand it

[heady cloud]

i think doom would be better off without him. We need some actual good players to talk and share. There is no bug reporting btw, so they dont care about bugs really, its single player game.

[shrewd mountain]

Im afraid if I make doom videos people would hate my voice

[heady cloud]

its not voice, its how you think

[frail bloom]

??????

It's mostly abt tweakables

Like the slo mo, removal of tutorial sections

Enemy ai

He has a big hand whether you like it or not, and has been for the better

Again, you can ping him right now

What???

[heady cloud]

why would i ping a douche bag

[shrewd mountain]

Yall mean

[frail bloom]

Very

[lunar minnow]

I don't think you should be insulting someone like this...

[heady cloud]

he shouldnt exist as far as i am concerned

[lunar minnow]

Let's try to keep positive here.

Please.

[wheat sigil]

either attention bait or insanity

[lunar minnow]

Also, there is, I reported a bug yesterday that I had found.

[heady cloud]

where do you report bugs?

[hard thistle]

A ton of things went wrong in Eternal after id decided to start listening to doomtubers like him

[lunar minnow]

The Bethesda website!

[frail bloom]

Like what?

[heady cloud]

quest? character? item issue? there is no bug tracking

[lunar minnow]

You can literally put the issue and the category.

[hard thistle]

The holt slayer gate second iteration

[wheat sigil]

we already have sylar

[lunar minnow]

It's very well put on their website.

I've NEVER filled out a bug report in my life.

This was my first.
Easiest thing ever.

[hard thistle]

TAG 1 as a whole

[frail bloom]

That's it? You think he hasen't changed since then, what abt the difficulty updates in tda

The community has been really happy with that

[hard thistle]

funny how first id went with “haha funny hard game git gud lmao” then after tag 1 probably didnt sell that well they started nerfing and changing a lot of things about the game

[lunar minnow]

Alright! I'm going to go play DOOM Eternal, then Dark ages.
I'll see you guys later!
Have a good one!

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-poster-gif-5764922097783755967

[neon moss]

I saw this live, it was pretty solid.

[shrewd mountain]

Car

[willow beacon]

How different even is tag1

[rocky badger]

Did you end up 100%ing UN? If so, what happens to your save file?
@orchid gust

[orchid gust]

I got 1 more level 👀

I’ve been taking it really slow, I play each level in nightmare, then pandemonium, then UN to make sure I get it first try

I don’t have the time to start all the way from the beginning and I’m trying to record for a YouTube video to have all cutscenes as well

So far the video is already 7 hours and 40 minutes for the 21 levels

I’m also having to finish the mastery achievements for the cycler and the grenade launcher, so I’ll be having to use 2 suboptimal guns in the hardest encounters, so I’m a bit nervous

At least the missions aren’t as hard as doom eternal’s though, there was nothing worse than trying to get the left side glory kill on doom a doom hunter on nekroval just in nightmare, doing it in UN where you only get one shot at it is sucky

I haven’t done 100% UN in eternal yet, that will be one of the future projects

[rocky badger]

You can cheese Grenade Launcher with a health/armor/ammo miniboss while they're permanently staggered

[orchid gust]

Yes right at the end

[rocky badger]

I think I'm using my last Wraithstones on the Combot Shotgun and SSG. They both seem like very easy masteries on a time/enemy availability crunch

[orchid gust]

Honestly the grenade launcher worries me less than the cycler since it’s so picky

Ssg is a little scary honestly

Just because it’s temperamental hitting all pellets