the-dark-ages

[astral ravine]

people often forget that even 2016 demons have weaknesses

[ruby frigate]

They are right

[astral ravine]

mancubus are weak in their belly areas and pinkies are weak on their back

[twilit pumice]

Nah, I actually love every demon design in TDA.
Both versions of the Imps look badass in this game.

[ruby frigate]

You can oneshot the mancubus with the gauss cannon

[astral ravine]

the gaus cannon one shots everything that isn't a baron or a boss

[ruby frigate]

Sorry if I'm a fucking kid and use too strong weapons 😭

Does anyone play Wolfenstein?

[astral ravine]

I played the 1st game

[ruby frigate]

I finished the new order and the old blood in uber mode

[ruby frigate]

Graphics worse than Doom 💔

[astral ravine]

or rather new order

[wild rose]

I'm sorry I really underestimated the Cycler I'm so sorry

[astral ravine]

not the old classic one

cycler is the best long ranged gun in tda

[ruby frigate]

Ahh I understand

[astral ravine]

remember to use cycler against the komodo. shreds that bastard everytime

[twilit pumice]

I think it also chain attacks nearby demons. And how eletric works in this game.

[wild rose]

Yup part of why it's so good

[twilit pumice]

One quick efficient way to kill him

[wild rose]

Yeah, I was thinking how we didn't have a good long ranged weapon then I tried him more now. He's solid, and his ammo is good. Shredder is good too but ammo runs out too fast

[wild rose]

I usually use accelerator

[astral ravine]

cycler's shock debuff is just that broken

[real lynx]

The cycler is good if you get the chain going. It can stunlock huge crowds of heavies

Its just not very good against fodder because they die before the shock

I haven't used the shredder much

I generally only really used the impaler

[wild rose]

I meant accelerator not shredder

[wild rose]

I like it specifically against fodder

[wild rose]

It's useful if there's a heavy among fodders and other heavies. It helped me clean the BFC arena without BFC. Cycler is gold there too

[astral ravine]

I gotta be serious

I forget the BFC exists after getting it and completing the mission for it

[tight finch]

Hello bane

[astral ravine]

hm?

hi

[twilit pumice]

Just gotta be mindful with our melee like we are with chainsaw in Eternal.

[wild rose]

I mean if I'm going ranged it means I don't want to get close

[twilit pumice]

I think the only demon that forces us into range distance is caco.

Every other demon we can parry them all day. At least I believe caco is the only demon that truly pushes us into range distance.

[ruby frigate]

Use the gun ✌️

[ruby frigate]

Throw a grenade in his mouth

At least it worked in eternal...

[astral ravine]

the caco's projectile is my biggest enemy in this game

[wild rose]

That's usually what I try shredder for. I had a personal challenge in the BFC arena without BFC

[wild rose]

Not the electric ones?

[ruby frigate]

Ayo

[astral ravine]

the giant wall ones

[ruby frigate]

The easiest thing to dodge

[astral ravine]

its not about being easy to dodge. they block my projectiles because they are so big

[ruby frigate]

Ahhh

I hate flying burning skeletons

[twilit pumice]

I still need to learn the caco. Just been playing through Nu Doom trilogy and Atomic Heart.

[ruby frigate]

I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OK?

[astral ravine]

lost souls? I personally think they are easy because they appear rarely and are placed in predictable alreas

[ruby frigate]

Depends on the game, I can't stand having to shoot those things when I have 4 mancubus in front of me

[twilit pumice]

Fuck, didn't occur to me until now that we don't have pain elemental in TDA.

[warm comet]

Pain elementals in the dark ages would be the greatest nuisance on the planet

[covert goblet]

Am I the only one that thinks the Cosmic Baron looks like a [female private part]?

[twilit pumice]

They could be fun parries to take advantage of to use against nearby demons.

Maybe if a lost soul charges you, you can then parry it to make it explode nearby demons around you.

[astral ravine]

my ranking for toughest enemies:
SS: Nightmare imp
S: Whiplash, Cacodemon, Komodo, Acolyte
A: Revenant, Agaddon hunter, Vagary, Cosmic Baron, Cyberdemon
B: Mancubus, Arachnotrons, Imp stalker, Hell knight
C: all the foot soldiers, Pinky jockey

[wild rose]

I have started hating the parryable ones as well

[twilit pumice]

One second, lemme look at the cosmic baron again

[wild rose]

He does look like one

[warm comet]

Cooking, actually

I would be in my bag if you could parry lost souls and redirect them away from you into other enemies

[twilit pumice]

That's an idea I thought of with Archviles. Cuz of their lava floor attacks.

[warm comet]

Really a shame that archviles aren't in TDA. Like, they are absolutely a pain in the ass and very shitty to fight when you're in a pinch. But God dammit that's why I love them

They really put the iron to your backside when you're already juggling a bunch

[twilit pumice]

I love the challenge they bring to our game of chess.
When I see the enemies enraged, I actually start playing better.

[warm comet]

You should go into eternal chat and scroll up

[warm comet]

There's nothing scarier than just playing an encounter normally and being all like "yo im FLOATING around these dudes im doing so good!" And suddenly, you realize every single enemy is glowing red and there isnt a buff totem

So many times ive been breezing through an encounter and just went "THERES AN ARCHVILE"

[wild rose]

Cosmic Baron is the worst enemy for me. After a hundred hours I still can't parry properly

No one knows

[uncut needle]

BFC shouldve been a melee called the Big F*$)ing Gauntlet

it doesnt need to lol

[cinder estuary]

Orc massage

Jkjk

You get the achievment but not the feeling of accomplishment

Not really, have you ever done an un?

Then you never felt it?

Lol

You are a zoomer

Take your time

Lack of patience, no sense of accomplishment

[twilit pumice]

Will do

[warm comet]

Who would wanna do UN tuned to all the lowest ends of the difficulty sliders

Thats like, taking away 50% of the accomplishment

[twilit pumice]

Sometimes I would leave the buff totem alone for an extra challenge.

[warm comet]

The first time I encountered a buff totem, I accidentally skipped the tutorial and was just killing these hyper enemies for about 20 mins without stop

Haha very funny

Middle school humor doesnt really get laughs once you leave your edgy group chats. So I would really work on that if I were you.

Cornball

People be attention seekers haha

The effects of not having a job, ladies and gents

[twilit pumice]

Yeah, fuck you too buddy
<@&162901871168585728>

[warm comet]

Well. There he goes

[foggy breach]

i imagined some 12 year old writing that

[hot lava]

One gone was there two?

[twilit pumice]

Think it was just the one, Rico

[vagrant path]

I hope id adds more customization options in future updates

I wanna do a run where objects aren't highlighted and you actually have to search for them

or cheats like eternal had

[hot lava]

Chests I missed I must say

*cheats

[split gate]

Ah I missed the shenanigans just then what happened

[hot lava]

Just a loser being a loser

[split gate]

Oh I see now, yeah I kind of get the context

[warm comet]

Edgelords really lose all their steam when you just scold them

[split gate]

They ain’t all that in real life fr

[warm comet]

Well, yeah. The internet is where they can be tough and all big

[hot lava]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-funny-shrek-funny-face-gif-16873758

[warm comet]

Its silly though. Nobody happy with themselves spreads hate.

[hot lava]

10 year olds when they learn N word

[split gate]

Exactly. I pity haters who are upset with people enjoying a game tbh

[hot lava]

Anyway, let’s move on

Dark ages GOTY contender ?

Or left us wanting?

[warm comet]

For me, certainly. My favorite doom game.

[split gate]

Hmmmmm

It should be up there but I don’t think it’ll get it

Either Expedition 33 or Silksong

[hot lava]

I just finished doom 2 first time and the expansion No Rest for the Living so I only have doom 3 to finish then I might rank them

Out of new doom though I like them all for different reasons

[split gate]

I do want FM to perform up in the Game Awards, let them cook

[foggy breach]

silksong tomorrow...

[twilit pumice]

Definitely my game of the year thus far. I don't think anything will change that.
Need to look back at the lineup we have for this year.
Only other games I'm psyched for is borderlands 4 and Painkiller

[split gate]

The agenda is strong 💪

[warm comet]

Doom the dark ages at moments felt like i was playing plutonia. And that's a good thing.

[hot lava]

Like in 2016 you have to appreciate everything was a boots on the ground military slop like CoD. D2016 was like a bolt of lightning fresh air for me. DE expanded and made it 4D chess rock paper scissors but very sweaty. TDA was pure power fantasy you really do feel like a tank

[hot lava]

FM?

[split gate]

Finishing Move

[twilit pumice]

I'm happy our Doomslayer killed the rotting decay that Halo poisoned the FPS genre with.

[hot lava]

Read as Fear Merchant my handle lol I was like damn you want me to host a GOTY event

[hot lava]

Halo 1-3 are peak

[warm comet]

I like TDA so much because of the depth of the combat. A lot of people think that without the quick swapping and stuff its more simplified. But like, I disagree. Its just not Eternal 2

[split gate]

Yes you (YOU) will host the event 🫵

[twilit pumice]

Halo by itself is good.
Just not the impact it unintentionally had

[foggy breach]

What about Reach?

[twilit pumice]

I hardly ever use quick swapping. Only time I'll do it is against marauders, cuz they're designed that way

[warm comet]

I have my own unoptimized version of quick swapping. It sure does less damage and it isn't the quickest route to killing most demons, but I couldn't care less. Pro level quick swapping ain't for me

[foggy breach]

I just pick one weapon and go with the flow. 🤷

[twilit pumice]

Or they say flame belch is gone. When combat shotgun is one instrument within our arsenal that functions essentially the same.

[twilit pumice]

I do love how mayo put out a video trying to break that mold. The mold that Doom Eternal requires quick swapping.

[tulip canyon]

Will Dark ages be on Switch 2?

[mint bridge]

Yall suggest me the best soundtrack in tda i need one for workouts

[warm comet]

I quick swap less for the efficiency, and more for the swag. Like, I cannot name the amount of times ive rotated around a cyberdemon with the ssg grapple hook shot, shot a sticky bomb at its head, and then precision bolted its head before I hit the ground. That is in NO WAY the most efficient way to attack a tyrant

But daaaaaamn does it look cool

[hot lava]

I spoke about this before here but it was contractually obligated halo game. Grey and brown no love or life. Not many good set pieces. MP was 70% forge made grey maps and the other 30% was ripped from campaign (lazy not fit for purpose). Story also retconned the books.
I played it a lot but it wasn’t as good as 1-3 imo

[mint bridge]

Yo bro i need that doom tag how u got it

Thanks man

[merry sapphire]

what did i miss

[hot lava]

I reckon it might. D16 and DE were on switch 1

[hot lava]

A silly Billy

Oh yes

[merry sapphire]

silly billy fr

[hot lava]

Needs doesn’t it. Not even an option

[merry sapphire]

i really doubt it unless they actually bake lighting into the game for the switch. which would render the raytracing useless cause they specifically used raytracing to skip the amount of time baking lights would take

[twilit pumice]

Reach was very grey.
Do love how our player character carries over into every mode. I still think that's the coolest shit ever.

Personal favorite is prolly Halo 2. Despite the flaws

[twilit pumice]

More of a Arbiter fan than Chief

[hot lava]

I was 12 playing halo 2 so my brain made that the peak one. I think objectively 3 is the best. 1 is clunky by 2025 standards but has some great moments

[merry sapphire]

going for headshots its whats fun about it though

[twilit pumice]

Halo CE is the most balanced around Legendary.
Halo 2, I rather shoot myself with a jackal beam rifle than play through that shit again on Legendary.

Grew up playing Halo 3 and Reach with my brother.

[warm comet]

Twin said that sixteen days ago

[merry sapphire]

Thats True Thats True

[hot lava]

Can’t get past Cairo station solo legendary ha it’s BRUTAL I played 1, 3, R, ODST, 4&5, Infinte all solo legendary I can’t do 2

[warm comet]

I love the mancubus. Both in TDA and eternal. Super fun to fight.

[hot lava]

Compared to TDA super shogun that was just randomly on the ground this was peak

[warm comet]

See a mancubus in eternal, precision bolt left, sticky bomb right, grapple hook ssg blast, ballista that bad boy. Oooo feels so good. Mancubus in dark ages, shield bash, parry his aoe, melee, shield throw and treat with ssg.

Such a beautiful creature🗣

[twilit pumice]

Halo 5 Legendary was piss easy.
You have your teammates to nullify the threat of death.
Halo 4 isn't hard just annoying. Bullet sponges.

Infinite I can never drag myself through. Even on normal. Infinite is so boring to me. Infinite's levels are essentially copy and pasted

[hot lava]

Was actually easier on LASO with infinite ammo is what I did

[twilit pumice]

I wonder why. Obviously you don't crank everything down to make it easy

[warm comet]

Yeah I just dont believe you im ngl

Tda with everything cranked to the hardest it could be borders on unreasonable at points

On nightmare without touching the sliders, I'll watch an enemy drop my health down like 50% with one hit. Youre telling me you cranked damage up, lessened your damage, cranked speed all the way up, and then you just breezed through it?

Footage or I ain't listenin🗣

Hmmm

Be my guest

Yes

[stoic forge]

Doom 2016: Don’t fall
Doom Eternal: Don’t stop moving
Doom TDA: Don’t run, you little bitch

[vital vine]

Where can I get update news? This is unplayable for me on series s so uninstalling til then

[wild rose]

Bad thing I can't give an opinion because I never bought Xbox One. I played 4 and the games before, I loved them. I really wanted to play Halo 5 back then. MP should be fun

[copper turtle]

does anyone else hate cacos and revenants??

such a pain to fight

im on ultra violence btw

[merry sapphire]

for revs just shield bashing them and hitting them with a point blank ssg is enough to delete them. Fuck cacos tho i Hate them so much

[copper turtle]

they beefed up cacos so much vs them in eternal and 2016

[twilit pumice]

Revy's are easy to kill. Shield can stun lock them. And our plasma guns can still hurt them, even if they make themselves momentarily ethereal

[merry sapphire]

fuck man if thats how cacos are in TDA then whats the pain elementals like in the dlc if they are added

[copper turtle]

that damn ice form

[merry sapphire]

they usually dodge the shield toss so i dont recommend it unless you find them faltered

[copper turtle]

dlc gonna be hell (pun not intended)

[copper turtle]

this and fighting a leader pmo

[twilit pumice]

Typically when I shield throw, they never dodged me.
But I'd always shield bash and use impaler.

[copper turtle]

impaler is goated

[willow beacon]

On 150% they can be hard to hit with shield throw

[copper turtle]

its like the super shotgun but it requires aim

[delicate grotto]

Parrying a lost soul back at its face would be hilarious

[barren warren]

what if they added armored revenants that have 4 cannons like that one concept art

[honest vortex]

Lmao another one:
https://youtu.be/owF0q3cZzYc?si=uomD4eI-EOh4FTE5

[honest vortex]

Reach was the only Halo game from Bungie that I disliked ngl lmao

I even liked ODST, but Reach is a hell no 😭

[honest vortex]

I do think TDA is a lot harder than Eternal ngl.

Way more punishing with resource drops and damage values.

Also enemies ignore death protection system a lot, and death protection cool down is 60 seconds versus Eternal's 7.5 second death protection system.

Also not nearly as broken mobility options tbh.

[merry sapphire]

they should actually add green parryable lost souls that randomly spawn mid fights that when you parry it, it explodes and damages other demons. kinda like how the stone imps work

[merry sapphire]

60 second cooldown with how much harder to gain health in this game is actually insane. you genuinely have to dodge and block in this game i love it

[real lynx]

60 second cooldown is a bit high

[raven summit]

I finally finished TDA and goddamn the game is diabolical
I hope they will add master levels later and add an option to turn off slowmo

[twilit pumice]

Slowmo is actually useful in some regards. Not completely style flair.
But I do understand where you're coming from. My autistic ass will never grow tired of it.

[raven summit]

Well, it's useful alright, but when I watched several videos after, I realised that I might spend like an hour in slowmo in one playthrough

[raven summit]

While playing I couldn't shake the feeling that TDA is a Serious Sam game made by not Croteam

[twilit pumice]

I do need to play through serious sam sometime. Maybe then I'll get that same feeling

[raven summit]

Sam has many, many annoying design flaws, but the concept is godlike. HUGE arenas, HUNDREDS of monsters, tons of weapons (not all of them good though) - this is a golden egg of a shooter

[vital rapids]

That's interesting, the only part that's reminiscent of Serious Sam is the beginning of the game

[raven summit]

BFC battle is pretty much Sam-ish

[vital rapids]

You played, or watched?

[raven summit]

Huh?

[vital rapids]

I can see it looking that way, maybe. It doesn't play like Sam even a tiny bit, except for some set-piece stuff where it is noticeably Sam style trope (mainly at the start of the game)
I'm wondering how you think it actually plays like Sam

Is it because of large encounters and enemies that close a lot?

[raven summit]

Well, I think I need to rephrase myself a bit: I believe that if someone stretch TDA gameplay on Sam concept, it would be hell of a game. That's just me, I love Sam, and I think the concept is overlooked

Serious Sam, an old arena shooter

[fathom remnant]

Anyone noticed the demon bodies don't always burn up after they're dead but instead are left for you to see your carnage after the fact.
But also they do burn up sometimes like in previous games , can anyone explain?

[gritty matrix]

Probably they wanted a sort of mixed solution

Some persistent corpses but not all of them to avoid to have too much polygons around

[graceful lion]

it could be that those parts are just ripped off of your body so they are no longer part of your one being

[fathom remnant]

I figured it was something like that but the one time I noticed it left was the vagary demon and that was just one out of scores I've killed already. Didn't notice any of these things until yesterday and I'm only though 8 chapters, I really appreciate it though because I can look back and see how much carnage I did

Still can't get over the imp stalkers I mean the sounds they make and the design are just my chef's kiss.

[twilit pumice]

Do like how TDA does that. I found it kinda disappointing how it's neither in 2016 or Eternal.
I loved classic doom moments of where you decorate an entire room with corpses.

[merry sapphire]

this Might be the Best game of all time right after Doom eternal

[merry sapphire]

to be fair its alot of processing power. though keep the dead mod exists but i havent tried so i wouldnt know how optimized that mod is

[twilit pumice]

Yeah, I understand the tech limitations so I don't really complain about it

It would be too much to process
Especially with an Xbox one for Doom 2016 I'd imagine

[fathom remnant]

The doom devs have always done the whole jump the player after picking up secret stuff right. In a funny way with TDA lot of these areas with the collectibles wether it be gold or the toys the imps jump out like cave trolls guarding the treasure lol.

@merry sapphire @twilit pumice I imagine they couldve put in an update patch for the new gen versions of eternal though. Then again ID tech 8 be ame a thing when making this game so makes sense why the bodies are left in this one and not the others due to the limitations of the last tech engine if that would've been why

[velvet elbow]

I’m praying we get plutonium level traps in the dlc

Monster closet packed with a fuck ton of revenants type shit

[arctic nest]

Finally finished The Dark Ages. Absolute Banger.

[merry sapphire]

closest thing we got in TDA is the switch trap in harbor of souls

[velvet elbow]

Still a good trap tho

I can feel the game wanting to be unfair and cruel but they gotta push it further

That one cosmic realm trap with the nonstop hell knights is what comes to mind

[twilit pumice]

I absolutely loved that moment

[sick blade]

Hello
Bug: Skin selections don't save

As the title states, closing out of the game resets all skin selections back to default. Have to re-select my choices each time I launch the game.
Help please

P.S. I play on PS 5

[velvet elbow]

I could feel the essence of remero as I kicked shit and got my shit kicked in that moment

[full barn]

i miss samuel hayden

[fathom remnant]

So another praise for this game is it is your experience, what I mean is that I watched two different YouTubers and on the first mission with the turret section I noticed something. When killing the titan one guy focused on the chest and the damage model reflected it and the other guy shot the leg and the game reflected the different parts he damaged. They both killed the titan but the titan had damage in different parts on its body because they shot in different parts and the game responded and THAT is so cool and makes me wonder what else can be tailored to your specific experience. And that is also the age we live in folks 😎

[frosty coyote]

Imo on par with eternal. Depends on your style.

[frosty coyote]

I didn't play 2016 and I still Miss him

[merry sapphire]

me too man,, me too

[heady agate]

me 3

[heady agate]

play it it's peak

[twilit pumice]

2016 is good.
Story could be my favorite amongst the doom games.

Just don't play on nightmare first go, cuz it's annoying due to terrible balancing.
Recommend seek & destroy for mobility. Doom 2016 is the slowest we've been in Doom. Even Doom 3 is faster, despite its confined space

Gameplay is much simpler than both TDA and Eternal combined

[frosty coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359037834622668830/1381390080064749669/inabakumori-osage.gif

[heady agate]

ah, well it's on sale often. Get it whenever u can no rush

[frosty coyote]

Still saving for tda

Also I just vibe with those 2 (eternal and tda) a lot more

[twilit pumice]

Typically goes on sale for $5 or $10.
If you live in America that is.

[heady agate]

fair, just saying at some point if u can give it a chance 99% u won't regret it

[frosty coyote]

Likely but its just gonna be so low on the priority list

[waxen rivet]

DEAR LORD

Your running it on a game boy color

[fleet spruce]

Lmao, switch 2 versions leaked

[graceful lion]

doom the pixelated ages

tda on the nintendo 64

[tired rock]

Seek aaaanndddd!!!!
Seek and DESTROYYYY!!!!!

Cannot resist the Metallica reference, sorry

[ancient trout]

Here's what DOOM: The Dark Ages would look like running on a Game Boy Color!

[waxen rivet]

That's what I said!

[ancient trout]

My fault og I didn't see it

[waxen rivet]

Oh no completely fine it's ok

[oblique raft]

is there mod to find doom 2016 armor on pc

in hell gate

[grave pike]

Yo guys! Are the ps5 trophies still bugged?

@pulsar granite where did u get this pfp decoration?

[graceful lion]

decoration which stopped a month ago

[grave pike]

Oh okay thx

[fleet spruce]

Tbh it doesn't look unplayable

I'm just used to have games look worse than they should because i don't always have required hardware for optimal experience, like I'm playing on a ROG Ally X which is basically like playing on an rtx 3050 laptop lmao

[worthy crow]

any fix for that level reset bug? its brutal

[gritty aspen]

bros playing on 420p 😭

[graceful lion]

doom the gameboy ages

[gritty aspen]

god damn 😭

[harsh egret]

path tracing update tmr

[wild rose]

@hard thistle is Slayer still zombie in chapter 20? The hud shows him with the regular face, but if you pay attention to his finger you can see the bone

[hard thistle]

Resurrection? If his model is a zombie it's an error. The cutscene shows him normal.

[sweet pewter]

Is there any place where I can report bugs and translation errors with the game?

[split gate]

My eyes!

[full barn]

is that a doom 2 mod

[graceful lion]

yeah its if doom 2 was based on the dark ages

[full barn]

modding community never ceases to amaze me

[stoic forge]

Just reinstall it. Or get a new one. It plays perfectly on my new Series S. My old one pretends to overheat sometimes so the kids have it now.

[hasty stone]

Path tracing tomorrow I heard

[stoic forge]

Silksong when

[hasty stone]

Wonder if we will get a patch too

[split gate]

Tomorrow

[stoic forge]

Thanks

[harsh egret]

give me horde mode with the update thanks

[wild rose]

Yes. A little before he gets in the blood river. You can see when he wakes up in the ground his finger has an exposed bone

[frosty coyote]

Vega my love

He is goated Man

[harsh egret]

none

[frosty coyote]

Neither can i

[harsh egret]

eeeh not rly

just looks like a painting or smth almost

what

are u ok?

[quaint quiver]

I hope im not innterupting

But

My game crashes when i try to start it do some of you have tips

Idk man

Well i mean its pretty new

[harsh egret]

those are not specs

restart pc, update drivers

[quaint quiver]

Well im kinda new to this stuff so i dont know what rt is

[harsh egret]

ray tracing

[quaint quiver]

How do i update them

[harsh egret]

do u have an rtx card

[quaint quiver]

Yes a 5060

[neon gust]

speaking of Classic Doom and TDA

[harsh egret]

open nvidia app and go from there, should be easy to find

[neon gust]

I really, really thought TDA was gonna have one of the weapons from Legacy of Rust

I was kinda thinking about the Calamity Blade

[harsh egret]

look up tutorials on yt on how to do it in case u need guidance

[quaint quiver]

Ill try tx bro

[neon gust]

the flamethrower is cool too but I feel like it wouldn't be very original

default sharpening works well, idk why you'd stick with 20 unless you are actively trying to pixelize every single demon in the room

this game will not be retro for a very long time you know

idk it looks fine to me

I really like that Lost Souls are almost 1 to 1 with their Classic design in this game

and I also appreciate just how big they are generally speaking, it feels right

[fleet spruce]

Yeah , giant ass flying skulls

Much easier to hit than in 2016 or even 3

[wild rose]

It's absurd the timing on Kreed's beam

If you lift the shield in the same second it glows you get hit because apparently the glow and beam come together

You have to parry before 💀

[ruby frigate]

What program do you use to show the above performance?

Where can I find it 💔

[grim cloud]

pathtracing coming tommorrow, i hope my 4090 is ready

[ruby frigate]

How do I get the shield animation?

[opaque crow]

Guys is the doom the dark ages berserker trophy fixed?

On ps5

[grim cloud]

some quest thing, i dont remember exactly

[ruby frigate]

Cool

[opaque crow]

??????

[grim cloud]

its fixed on my computer

[opaque crow]

Yeah not on my ps5

Like how hard could it be to fix one damn trophy you can fix it on PC Xbox and all the other shit but on ps5 they just don't like just gimme this fucking trophy bro please it's not that fucking hard loved the game but this stupid ass trophy ruined all of it for me stupid devs

[long sparrow]

Calm down. Pretty sure they are going to fix it soon. You just need to be patient.

[graceful lion]

sometimes fixes just dont work, its not that big of a deal

and the developers are too busy on one thing to fix another, so its likely more of a process than you think it is

for you updating a game is just installing it, but the developers likely have to go through multiple steps, especially if its on console

[mental grotto]

Bro’s crashing out but tbf you’d think they’d be able to solve an achievement bug 30+ days after launch

[opaque crow]

Ok sorry

[ruby frigate]

Doom in Linux?

[mental grotto]

I’m actually shocked that tda is Linux compatible lol

[ruby frigate]

Me too

[vital rapids]

Rumors of aPTocalypse day tomorrow.

[mental grotto]

Not sure, I don’t have a ton of knowledge on Linux. My buddy was running dual-OS a while back and I just remember 70% of his steam library becoming incompatible on the Linux system

[ruby frigate]

You sure?

[mental grotto]

Are you sure?

[vital rapids]

If the rx90 cards run it better than their equivalent rtx50s there will be an online bloodbath

[ruby frigate]

What

[mental grotto]

Understandable, tda doesn’t tho?

[mental grotto]

Are y- are you s- are you sure?

Oh durr yeah I guess you’re right

[mental grotto]

I just remembered the huge “controversy” about eternal’s kernel level anticheat and assumed tda was the same, completely forgot there aren’t any online features here

[vital rapids]

I think it should. We need more Denuvo amirite? Guys? Guys....

[ruby frigate]

Doom guys?

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-taunts-thumbs-up-doomguy-gif-19046636

[mental grotto]

I am denuvo’s number 1 fan. 360 more days of denuvo!!!!!!

[vital rapids]

Doom games are a Denuvo installation with a bonus game

[mental grotto]

Eternal had soooo much “controversy” shit was insane

Remember how Bethesda forgot to implement proper protections on launch so eternal was pirateable from day 1 LOL

[vital rapids]

Covid gave people a lot of time to construct really good whinges

[mental grotto]

True

[vital rapids]

Path tracing will kill us all.
WW3 won't get a look in

The power draw alone

https://tenor.com/view/city-lights-lights-off-gif-14713523

[mental grotto]

Something something forced Ray tracing something something doom the shit ages

Launch the true…

[vital rapids]

Nvidia solved that by developing a power delivery system that stops carrying power
And also produces the most realistic flame effects ever produced by a GPU since I ran Doom 3 on a geforce 2

[mental grotto]

I love this fking dumb ass gif so much

Hello, I like money!

[wild rose]

So I found out fighting in close distance to Azrack is much harder. His attacks are much more punishing and hard to parry if you're close

[mental grotto]

Most definitely but it comes at the benefit of developing their shit-ass AI technology

AI has had so much more damage than benefit on the internet/society as a whole it’s not even funny

[vital rapids]

Yeah, we haven't even got to the point where it's used in drones and tanks for law enforcement yet. 5-10 years tops

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-gif-20960129

Unfortunately we live in the idiot timeline so Sarah Connor ain't turning up at Jensen's house

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-city-view-car-crash-junk-gif-26797372

[mental grotto]

Considering that when AI first came out it was consistently producing racist answers and required anti-racism hardcoding, yeah this is probably where we’re headed at least in the U.S.

[vital rapids]

Needs steam coming out the top and slower lines

[mental grotto]

Missing the $3.75 included adapter that explodes on occasion

[vital rapids]

I ended up buying a massive case just so it could house my nvidia cable without bending it. I'm not even joking

Do not want the smoke

It needs 240p hidden by cel shading
Like Borderlands 4

Eesh new nv driver coming up too. Please let it not fucking suck

I want my path tracing to work

[frosty coyote]

Hello chat

[dreamy kiln]

Yo

[wild rose]

Are you guys still getting your asses kicked by Azrath?

[willow beacon]

On max sliders yeah, figured him out for below that though

[wild rose]

For max you really mean max? Insanity

On nightmare he's already kicking my ass. But I wasn't using mace

[vital rapids]

https://youtu.be/BR3c9lyV5as

[grim cloud]

not seeing a huge difference. How much of a FPS hit we take for that?

[harsh egret]

looks like its gonna be about -40% performance reduction

[grim cloud]

of course, video can't capture it as well as in person

[wild rose]

Someone just pointed something very interesting. Eternal before launch already advertised it would be 2 DLCs, TDA don't. We might get only one

[grim cloud]

i get about 140-170 fps with a 4090 max settings

[harsh egret]

depends, like they mention, cutscenes dont have as noticeable of a difference for example cuz of how many fake lights are placed in cutscenes

[acoustic plover]

I just tried to parry a hell knight in eternal 😔

[harsh egret]

90-100 ish with pathtracing is what id expect on ur pc then

i think thats perfectly playable

[grim cloud]

that is all we get sadly, until they say otherwise. It will probably be bigger, maybe 5-6 levels

[harsh egret]

i play on 100-110 depending on area/level on max settings

[grim cloud]

anything above 90 isn't noticeable for me

[harsh egret]

80+ is what i would wanna have at least in a game like this

ill test pathtracing and stuff but i dont think its gonna be smth ill have on

[grim cloud]

i get more fps in Doom Eternal than 2016

[acoustic plover]

Isn't 16 capped at 60?

[harsh egret]

no lol

[harsh egret]

same

tmr

im 10 minutes

?

good question

[hollow sandal]

DLSSSSSSSSS

We getting a Hugo stream today?

[wild rose]

I hope so

[merry sapphire]

we got confirmation from an nvidia employee that the path tracing update doom is coming tommorow holy shit @mild loom

[harsh egret]

hugo is on vacation i think he is back not next week but the one after

[hollow sandal]

Thanks

[wooden dirge]

sorry for my ignorance I downloaded the latest nvidia drivers .. but does it activate by itself or do I have to do something? on the doom menu there is no item 2 activate path tracing2 could someone enlighten me? I have a 5090

[harsh egret]

update comes tmr

only drivers today

[hollow sandal]

@harsh egret im sorry to bug you man, but you seem to always have reliable info: wasn't there some info about Id making all of the skins that were locked behind products available in the future

I couldnt find the reddit post

[harsh egret]

yeah Josh said that on stream

he mentioned the gpu bundle skin whatever the name of it was i forgot, that they will prob bring it after the bundle is sold out

but yeah i think he said in general all exclusive skins will become available in some way after the exclusivity period

[hollow sandal]

Thank you

[harsh egret]

[slender night]

L for those who spent a small fortune to get it

[harsh egret]

tbf if anyone bought it for the skin, thats just silly asf

[slender night]

I'm just happy it's not gonna be behind a paywall that's in the thousands

[harsh egret]

i just wish they had some event stuff with missions or smth for rewards like this on release

[foggy breach]

It looks like the demonicide skin to me ngl

[harsh egret]

we need more weapon skins

[slender night]

I want more skins based off previous suits. Quake III suit, D3 suit, etc

[harsh egret]

only thing i did is i spent 15 dollars for someone to give me a pizza code

[empty sable]

Embrace the future.

[harsh egret]

ye tbh dlss was pretty bad when it came out as well, now its near perfect

in like 2-3 years time i wouldnt be surprised if framegen is pretty damn good and used alot

[empty sable]

It's great for the most part, depends on who implements it. Frame gen feels even more like a gamble.

True, main problem is they just don't actively expand the games as much as dlss.

Well, I meant not as many games have fs4 implented like dlss does. I chose the 4090 over the 7900 XTX Sapphire Nitro+ because despite being on the cheaper side NVIDIA's dlss tech is just out of this world so it will last even longer with that. Seems 7900 XTX won't even get fs4 added on it.

[merry sapphire]

to be fair, ray tracing is already forced on so turning on pt might not be that significant of a frame drop

thats not the own you think it is brah I LOVE FAKE FRAMES

[slender night]

I like my frames fake bruh

[harsh egret]

seems to be about 40% fps reduction

at least from the df vid

[empty sable]

Time to miss every parry lol

[graceful lion]

yeah keep that in mind, becuase i was under the impression that my 2060 would run at 30 fps before the game launched, and it runs at 90+ fps

[harsh egret]

no clue

[graceful lion]

we dont know yet

[empty sable]

Forced PT lol kidding, hopefully 🙂

[harsh egret]

i dont care that much about pt itself as much as i care about some sort of content update, give me ng+ or horde mode pls

praying for some of that tmr but i wouldnt be surprised if path tracing is all there is

[vital rapids]

As it's a 5080, if you don't want it you can buy one over the phone and they will give you the code for the skin - they donate the 5080 to a charity for the rt deprived in brooklyn

[graceful lion]

we are abso fucking lutely not ready for forced pt, only the top end hardware will run that shit, which will make like 90% of tda buyers not be able to play tda

thats like a 2030 thing

[vital rapids]

Never fear, they have to keep console owners on the ship

[slender night]

I can run Quake II RTX using a GTX 1650

[graceful lion]

oh damn holdon i gotta sleep soon bc i gotta be at school at 8:15 tomorrow

[slender night]

Yeah it doesn't actually need RTX funnily enough

Or it can just look like regular Quake II if you plug in the right launch commands

[vital rapids]

Maybe. PS6 and next Nintendo will probably be able to do PT, Xbox if it still exists. Once that gen ships it's game on

[graceful lion]

well, ps7, not sure about the 6

[mild loom]

i know right? im so hyped, cant wait to start booming it

[mild loom]

you have to click "install" after the download

[empty sable]

Even then probably not. Optimization for most games are just poorly implemented even on the highest tech. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still going to be a pig when it's all said and done lol

[vital rapids]

Those real time reflections and shadows during fights look tasty tbh

[slender night]

That is a very funny comparison

[graceful lion]

ok actually, the ps5 seems to be comparable to a 6700 xt, so maybe the ps6

[mild loom]

it does require hardware RT as far as i know

[vital vine]

What does it do when it overheats

[slender night]

It doesn't need raytracing at all

[mild loom]

it runs on gtx cards? the only ones ive seen are on the linux version that used a lumen mod

[slender night]

+set vid_rtx 0 and it's free game

[mild loom]

it....does? thats how the lighting was set up

[slender night]

Yeah I have a GTX 1650 and I can play it

[vital rapids]

More correctly, it requires hardware RT or driver level support for doing the same RT without RT cores

[slender night]

It literally doesn't, I'm speaking from experience, I can even show you over a stream if you don't believe me, it runs

[graceful lion]

it has to do RT in some way

[mild loom]

interesting, on launch i know for a fact it required hardware rt

interesting, maybe they made it more accessible

how are the visuals?

[slender night]

It just makes the game look like Quake II but with Borderlands outlines

[vital rapids]

Drivers can effectively emulate it - GTX has this, so does AMD on Linux. It still requires RT

Obviously hardware accelerated RT is better

[mild loom]

niice nice nice nice, anyone got any screenshots? im curious

[slender night]

This isn't emulating RT, RT is entirely optional

[slender night]

Gimme a second, I'll nab one

[mild loom]

very interesting

[graceful lion]

pretending to calculate is slower than being made to calculate

[vital rapids]

No, it is driver level support for RT. Gtx 1650 can support RT this way, also partially because of its hardware mesh features

Also 1080 ti can

[slender night]

I don't understand all these tech terms, all I'm saying is that the raytracing part of the game is optional

[slender night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1180586669037068340/1384610760067645460/20250617210958_1.jpg?ex=68530ec2&is=6851bd42&hm=02e7aa5bb6632317e55ea1da9151df22a25253352d65dd76d0adccf526ef5d1a&

[vital rapids]

It isn't. Your 1650 is doing RT

[mild loom]

mostly its because of the fact that RT is kind of like, they hold it to a certain standard, and its not a good look to have RT being displayed at a lower level through software rt

[graceful lion]

i remember this part in tda

[mild loom]

TDA looking mad polygonal

[slender night]

This was always about Quake II tho

[graceful lion]

this must be siege 4

[slender night]

How is the unraytraced game doing raytracing
Half curiosity half confusion

[vital rapids]

You can. On the gamepass version if you run the exe directly it does this

[dark peak]

wonder if i can play it with my rx570

[mild loom]

software rt emulation, unreal engine 5 can do this, which is a part of TDA's dev pipeline

[vital rapids]

No idea, I don't even know that it can't but it's been tested with the GP version. I have such a card sitting in a box somewhere, but cba if I'm honest

[slender night]

Okay I am so confused right now, I'm just gonna wave my white flag

[real lynx]

Good way to nuke your fps tho. Software RT is SLOW

[vital rapids]

Some of the GTX range are just capable enough that they can kindasorta do RT, and nvidia drivers ship with support for this still

[slender night]

I know the graphics card can do it if you push it hard enough, I mean the game, where is the RTX being done if I disable the RTX entirely

[vital rapids]

You can't

[slender night]

Because?

[real lynx]

IIRC TDA needs RT because it uses it for physics calculations

I wouldn't call that playable exactly

[slender night]

This isn't about TDA

[mild loom]

Unreal engine 5 = game engine

TDA = Uses Unreal Engine 5 in development

Ray Tracing = Requires RT cores on a GPU (cores are like workstations)

Software Ray Tracing = Emulation of RT cores (they're actually just general cores)

Software Ray Tracing = doesnt look as good as RT core ray tracing and doesnt run as well, but it works

i hope this makes sense

[real lynx]

A world where 144hz monitors exist

[mild loom]

true, i dislike software RT, but i guess it makes the game more playable for more people

[vital rapids]

uses UE5 in development?

[slender night]

Okay but then like how does this explain Quake II RTX with the RTX disabled still doing RTX 😭

[real lynx]

Sub 60 feels God awful

[mild loom]

as far as i know ID9 engine does correlate with UE5, atleast thats what ive read

maybe, to me i havent seen software RT look as good as hardware rt, maybe fortnite but no not even then, hardware rt looks better to me always

[vital rapids]

This whole sentence doesn't sound right tbh. I'd be interested to read that article if you get the chance

[gilded lake]

wtf's up with bitterman's hand </3

[dark peak]

wait tda use unreal engine? thought it used some id tech shit

[real lynx]

No it uses idtech 8

[dark peak]

so?

[mild loom]

it does use id tech 9, but ive heard from a few people and in an article somewhere that it also uses or is based on certain aspects from UE5

[vital rapids]

I'm not aware of idtech having anything to do with UE5 at all

[mild loom]

i mean id tech 8

[real lynx]

AFAIK idtech is proprietary

NGL its the best engine

[vital rapids]

Certainly seems that way

[mild loom]

i wasnt either, this could just be garble or chinese whisper at the end of the day

[dark peak]

ue5 games look souless but tda looks cool

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I think it will be Chinese whispers tbh dude

[fluid nacelle]

holy shit made it to chgapter 15
i knew this was gonna happen buit this is so freaking cool'

[real lynx]

Unreal engine is satanic evil technology

[mild loom]

the tarrifs make sense now

[slender night]

Sandpaper

[gilded lake]

my guy it looks like a blob

[vital rapids]

RAD

[mild loom]

Ue5 actually is a good engine its just that devs get super lazy

[vital rapids]

I think it's just the plug and play, rapid dev nature of it, leads to bloat, and then sometimes the people dragging and dropping end up saddled with problems too big to easily fix. The opposite seems to apply with idtech 8, early optimisation in engine and content, continuous close collaboration between engine dev and everyone else keeps things streamlined

I suspect if they started licensing it out with rapid development tools to randoms you'd start seeing the same problems

MIOSA

There are sadly no gifs of John Carmack in a red baseball cap

[frosty coyote]

No Way. The tariffs actually make sense in an extremely specific context? Amazing

[echo shadow]

What’s the best way to kill the witches in the cosmic realm?

[hard thistle]

Those witches are such a colossal pain, and it makes killing then so satisfying.

[sonic turret]

So I finally beat TDA today, it was a decent journey, and although I don't have a preference between TDA and Eternal, I feel like Eternal was more replayable. For now, I'll probably play some Final Fantasy until the TDA DLC drops.

[limber forum]

I asked everywhere for this but still no answer so I’m coming here as a last resort, I’ve played TDA for 12 hours no problem but fire the game jsut went black when I launched it I could see my cursor but now the launch notice pops up when I press play game doesn’t launch it just stops immediately anyone know any fixes?

[fathom remnant]

The accelerator and the cycler are also shooting spikes just plasma spikes right? Because the dev team literally took the arsenal of doom and medieval torture devices and combined right?

[hollow sandal]

Nice

[wild rose]

People on Reddit are crazy or stupid

People saying non stop which quick switching isn't necessary on Eternal and you can beat Nightmare without it

[empty sable]

Crazily stupid.

[wheat sigil]

you can lmao, rare moment of reddit being right

[wild rose]

Oh not you again. I remember the last argument you had about this. You were full of ❌

[wheat sigil]

i beat my first nightmare (and only) playthrough without any quick switching (no binds at all, only the weapon wheel even)

[wild rose]

You can beat Icon on NM just spamming ballista?

[remote thunder]

this is true

[wheat sigil]

yes, you can get through anything with good movement, restacking, etc
you can't get through anything with only good quick swaps

[wild rose]

Just spamming the same gun?

[wheat sigil]

there are many aspects to eternal's combat, and quick switching is only one of them, and not even the most important

[remote thunder]

youtube combo video mentality has infected this chat 😢 @wheat sigil

[wild rose]

Look it's possible the same way you can beat DMC5 just spamming square, it doesn't mean it's the optimal combo or the intended way to play

[wheat sigil]

yes, you can, assuming you're good at other aspects
all quick switching does is increase your dps, which makes it easier to not die because you can just nuke everything

and you can use multiple guns without quick switching btw

[wild rose]

Yeah, because it's almost impossible to not die on nightmare if you're taking too long to kill things?

[wheat sigil]

here's a video from Tammie (RIP) playing through an arena that is way harder than anything from the non-modded without quick switching
https://youtu.be/1U9FucZ5GY0?si=GdBqHPuvSnYCu7HL

[remote thunder]

by quickswapping, do we mean actual quickswapping (animation canceling + bats via fse) or just weapon swapping in general

[wild rose]

Ballistia + ssg combo

[remote thunder]

yeah so the 2nd category, that's baby's first combo

also, conveniently forgetting about lock on burst 🌝

[hard thistle]

what happened to tammie?

[empty sable]

You crack me up with all these different flags lol

[wheat sigil]

no, needing quick swapping essentially just means that you gradually wear yourself down in battle and can't actually sustain yourself
quick switching makes battles end faster, which is only needed if you can't reduce damage taken and restack enough

he was banned

[sonic turret]

Isn't Tammie a girl?

[wheat sigil]

no

[remote thunder]

this is unreclaimed earth right? that encounter is way harder than anything in official master levels

[wheat sigil]

yup

[delicate grotto]

I just saw someone compare an early game encounter in TDA to the fucking Holt Slayer Gate in Eternal, using it as an argument that TDA is boring. Lmfao.

[empty sable]

You mean guy in real life?

[delicate grotto]

Oh fr? Shit.

[sonic turret]

I don't know, I always thought she was female and they've never corrected me. 🤔🤷

[empty sable]

Only used to be in Thailand, but they're outsourcing now lol

[remote thunder]

truth nuke: people who claim the contrary suck at the game, quickswapping is a crutch

nuking lets you get away with being shit at other aspects of the game, same with air control although to a lesser extent

[sonic turret]

But it says Plobbus at the beginning. 🤔

[wheat sigil]

tammie's youtube channel is named plobbus

[honest vortex]

What in Dark Ages is designed like The Holt Slayer Gate? Lol

[wild rose]

Well it's true I guess

[delicate grotto]

Nothing. Apparently parrying an Armored Mancubus… the enemy with some of the slowest projectiles in the game, is fair to compare against a room of demons and two Archviles. Been getting a lot of negative videos on my feed lately about the game. They’re all the same. Comparing it to Eternal and scratching their head why the combat is different, then saying it’s bad without even fully playing the game.

[wheat sigil]

thinking about your positioning to not get hit vs pressing 2 buttons rapidly to not get hit

[unkempt dragon]

why even comment this? Also, no

[delicate grotto]

Positioning still matters in TDA honestly

[honest vortex]

Parrying a Mancubus is like dealing with infinitely spawning Carcasses and a possessed Marauder with Blood Maykrs and a bunch of fodder?

[delicate grotto]

According to this person’s video, yes. Lmao.

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-juggle-party-birthday-balloons-gif-17124349

[wild rose]

How do you make to not get damaged other than killing first? You're being shot 360⁰

[willow beacon]

Good movement and positioning

[wheat sigil]

and then restack for when you do get hit

[honest vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043033811941863475/1384638572094820413/Screenshot_20250617-135121.png?ex=685328a8&is=6851d728&hm=4c2c2123a1e70019fd2f4a7d403a7bd59b1d47fe3fffc12eb97a3d23a6e71bff&

Interesting post

[wheat sigil]

what do you mean by this? lol

[honest vortex]

[wild rose]

Shitty actually

[vital rapids]

I just searched for a gif of someone quickswapping dude

[wild rose]

You're still getting shot

[wheat sigil]

you can reduce it drastically, and restacking is super op

[honest vortex]

Asscrack is designed absolutely nothing like The Holt Slayer Gate doe

[wild rose]

Yes, restacking is solely how I survive

[honest vortex]

I mean I disagree with them.

I personally think Dark Ages topped Eternal very easily.

Not sure if I'd call it a bad post, but an intriguing one because of him calling himself a baka for having the opinion that Eternal's better lol

Same

[vital rapids]

People are afraid to just think what they think tbh

HMP bro on his way up

[fathom remnant]

TDA from top to bottom is just 10 out of 10 for me I love the art style the fact the imp stalkers are just ripped from classic doom along with the sounds they make, the demons being left after killing them in glorious fashion is a huge plus, the mechanics of the shield alone are plentiful and fun as hell. I haven't even beaten this game yet and I'm floored by it, I love eternal to death just like the other fans but that doesn't mean Dark Ages can't be amazing because it is. Hugo at one time in a podcast or interview I can't remember said he doesn't understand the comparisons between these new doom game like why can't they be great on their own and they're also different from each other. All of that was said after eternals release and here we are still comparing lol

[honest vortex]

In this day and age, of Eternal overglazers, it makes sense at times.

[honest vortex]

[wild rose]

A stupid one. "Am I the only that" yes you're the only one in the world who thinks that, everyone else has the same opinion

[fathom remnant]

I'm definitely playing it but also have a job I gotta do lol but yeah I'm playing the game when I can and also not blasting through it because I wanna savor it.

[wild rose]

I didn't know you were chill like that

[vital rapids]

"Mouth and I must scream", clue, gun

I'm going to be a real man of polka

For a few minutes

[wild rose]

What's man of blues?

[sonic turret]

I like them both equally. I felt like Eternal was more replayable though.

[fathom remnant]

So besides the sure loop of the chain shot against the cyberdemon what other weapons/strats are good against him?

[empty sable]

I prefer Dark Ages over Eternal a lot but topped "very easily" nah, the games are neck to neck no matter which side you land on. Even some levels of Eternal look a lot like Dark Ages. They are both DOOM in their own ways. I know you may be lashing out because so many prefer Eternal, it is what it is.

[vital rapids]

TDA is a lot more interesting to me than Eternal and it isn't even close tbh.

[wild rose]

Quick swapping at its finest

[vital rapids]

At the moment, TDA is top of the new trilogy and real talk probably > 64. Interested to see where it falls in the series in the fulness of time

[empty sable]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-5430850758035663288

[fathom remnant]

I'm just curious but what makes you like 64 so much? I'm a huge fan of that one I'm interested to hear your take on it because of your comment here and I think I'm on the same page with TDA.

[willow beacon]

Then restack

You won’t get shot much with good positioning

[vital rapids]

For me, the thing 64 has going for it is that it continues in the vein of the classic games. It's a "more of that, please" sort of thing. I do think some of the level design is scuffed tbh, even for Doom, but it belongs on the classic doom side of the line

[frail bloom]

[wild rose]

Guess I don't have it

[vital rapids]

Gonna not litigate the world's ongoing bloody conflicts here tbh. It's a vibe I'm into atm

[real lynx]

what is with zoomers using the wilted rose

[honest vortex]

To me, I even grew to like DOOM 3 more than Eternal.

Atleast the Resurrection of Evil expansion.

Artifact with bunny hopping Uber fast is fun AF

[willow beacon]

Yea I gotta work on mine too

[frail bloom]

It's an evolution of this>🙏

[vital rapids]

I also am a heretic Doom 3 enjoyer.
Clearly a mark of a connoisseur tbh

https://tenor.com/view/wheat-relaxing-nature-gif-8692282356132680544

[honest vortex]

Wait, why was I was pinged about Stellar Blade?

[fathom remnant]

Okay and how is TDA affecting that? TDA like I said is just amazing from art to gameplay like the vibe I get from walking in certain areas is that of old classic doom especially the enemies mainly the imp stalkers who jump you when getting the secrets.

[vital rapids]

I agree on all points - this is part of why it can be > 64 for me

[sonic turret]

Yall need to stop s**tposting before they give you a warning.

[honest vortex]

Not him, but for me it has the best aesthetics, sound design, and atmosphere out of the classic games. The guns look and sound BEEFY AF! Almost as much as 2016 and Dark Ages's gun sound beefiness in some cases even.

It also has by far the most consistent level design.

1993 and DII had a lot of mediocre and even poor levels .

There's also some tech like with stages terra forming that wasn't possible with the first two.

It's also super surreal and abstract and somehow very dark and foreboding and evil looking while being extremely colorful at the same time.

In the Void is also the best Hell based mission in a classic DOOM game and it ain't even remotely close.

[fathom remnant]

I can agree with those points for sure mate like 64 is the best one out the classics. What's your take on TDA?

[wild rose]

@wheat sigil sure we can play Eternal without switching, but it's not optimal. Same way I can play a hack slashing just smashing, but it won't be an optimal way to play. TDA is much better to play without switching. Any other Doom game actually

LMAO

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages is my favorite of the new trilogy and my favorite DOOM game in general

[mossy juniper]

The rough reflections and enhanced GI in the Path Tracing update looks soooo good

[wild rose]

What?

[wheat sigil]

tda often benefits from quick swaps
and of course it's suboptimal to not maximize dps, but it's far from a requirement

you're like 14, please shurup🙏

[wild rose]

Yes but it's like combos in a fighting game, you're supposed to use them. It doesn't mean you're forced, but the experience will be much worse without

[wheat sigil]

eternal isn't built arounf quick swaps or anything, a vast majority of players don't quick swap

you certainly do seem to wish for it really bad with how you're acting

[wild rose]

Yeah I'm confused

[wheat sigil]

so is the game telling you to be in mid-range for the marauder, when that is not how many approach him because it's more inconsistent

[wild rose]

I had the worst of my time in Eternal when I didn't know about quick swap

[wild rose]

How else do others approach him?

[wheat sigil]

let him throw his axe (long range) then he'll be guaranteed to go in for a green eye flash

and the quick swap tip was added in update 4.0

[wild rose]

He'll green light in long range?

[wheat sigil]

it makes him consistently go in for a green eye flash, unlike mid range

[sonic turret]

Do you think the Slayer himself can see the green flash, or do you think it's just for the benefit of the player?

[wheat sigil]

the marauder's eyes canonically flash to help the slayer because he's too cocky

[sonic turret]

It's the same thing pretty much.

[wheat sigil]

no but it'll cause him to green light
also, a lot of quick swapping was removed in update 2.0, indicating that it wasn't entirely intentional (added back in 2.1 cus backlash), you objectively don't need it and the game is not built around it, anything else is cope

[sonic turret]

I was thinking about how it would work lore wise, like perhaps it's something like Necroplasm from Spawn, which is the term I refer to it by, or perhaps leakage of hell energy.

[delicate grotto]

Marauder would be so fun to parry in TDA. Unfortunately the game takes place before Sentinels corrupt into them.

[sonic turret]

I'd love to get a kill cam for the shield saw, or make it controllable or steerable like a drone.

This is what I said to Hugo on his stream.

Or at least in the comments section.

[wheat sigil]

"slowmocam_activateonkill 1" in eternal would allow you to get a replay of every kill, maybe the same in tda
it was really just annoying though

[wild rose]

I'd actually prefer to fight Davoth

[wild rose]

What? I never heard of it

[vital rapids]

The parryable attacks and green eyes are the same thing as the green projectiles and swipes in classic. Which are part of the world not gameplay indicators

[wild rose]

Funny he plays exactly like TDA Slayer

[wheat sigil]

davoth cheats

not talking about him healing

[delicate grotto]

I agree, too late for that though.

[wild rose]

What?

[wheat sigil]

broken ass ai

[sonic turret]

Those are just incidentally green. The whole point of the modern Doom having green projectiles is to distinguish them as parryable and initiate the timed response.

[vital rapids]

"Hell surge", "Hell magic". Melee attacks and projectiles were neon green shit that hurt you BEFORE they indicated anything for gameplay purposes

Cf: classic doom

I agree, I am right. Not a gameplay indicator: purely the visible attack

[sonic turret]

Precisely, it was just for artistic license back then, because the green looks cool amongst a flurry of bullets and fireballs.

[vital rapids]

Exactly

The green is not overlay. It is in world

[sonic turret]

But we're talking about in the modern era where Mancubusses and Imps that shoot orange fireballs, occasion green projectiles, which is contrary to their natural orange colour.

And the question was, is the Slayer actually witnessing this change of colour taking place in the lore, or is it just something that acts as an indicator to the player.

Like how you get plot armour for example.

But the next question is would naturally be, why would they choose to shoot parriable attacks?

[vital rapids]

Or, can the slayer tell the difference between projectiles, or are they visibly different.
As long as we acknowledge the green is an in world thing and not purely gameplay, I think we can headcanon this part

[sonic turret]

Could well be.

[vital rapids]

I think the wave is variable and contains a proper hell surge
I guess we can't know for sure until Hugo hands down the facts

[sonic turret]

Sure, I mean he uses regular orange fireballs too, but when he strikes with a parriable attack, his body language suggests real intent.

[vital rapids]

Which raises the question, why are the strongest attacks the parryable ones

[sonic turret]

I guess someone must be watching over the Slayer from above. 🤔🤷

💸💵💲

[vital rapids]

A really smart demon would just spam red walls the whole time

Well money bouncing off me and ending up with someone else just sounds like a metaphor for life tbh

Yeah, perhaps like Jedis with the force. Slayer can tell which one to parry ahead of time, attacker unaware

I think the Slayer having something a bit like the Force fits well.

Maykr tech

[cinder estuary]

Its a video game

Why dont you need to reload? Because it makes gameplay better

[vital rapids]

I think this leans towards the force/tech/techforce/forcetech then. Because it works independently of hell attacks

It's just generic slaying ability

[sonic turret]

So let's not have any discussions about it because it's a video game and let's just accept everything as it is without opening up conversations about lore and gameplay, is that what you're saying? If that's the case, we might as well not have a Discord channel.

[wild rose]

What's going on here guys?

[cinder estuary]

No, because you are ignoring the concept of ludonarrative dissonance.

Why cant the slayer jump over a 5 feet slope?

[vital rapids]

Of course then this would make the green swipes only thematically similar to classic doom, and possibly @sonic turret 's gameplay overlay

[cinder estuary]

I think every projectile should be parryable, but still damage your shield so that you have to still choose when to parey

And remove slowdown

[wild rose]

Wtf. Who thinks core gameplay is just an imaginative thing?

[sonic turret]

We're not ignoring it, we're opening the floor to embrace these discussions.

[vital rapids]

Or, how it works in-world

[wild rose]

I think I should be able to press L2 and become immune while I'm holding it indefinitely

[cinder estuary]

The green color is most likely due to the green projectiles back in doom 1 and 2. Afaik there were very feel green projectiles on 2016 and Eternal

Doom TDA feels like doom 2

[vital rapids]

So if we had it as an in-world concept, maykr tech/intuition/slayer powers telling him what/when to parry?

[wild rose]

Baron in 2016 and Caco. And Mancunbus

[wild rose]

In what sense?

[cinder estuary]

Large maps, a lot of focus on huge fights with a ludicrous amount of demons

[wild rose]

Nah. The Slayer simply knows it

[vital rapids]

Yeah this is what I was saying. We were trying to bodge and tape an explanation for them existing in world, if one exists

[cinder estuary]

A lot of strafing

[vital rapids]

Intuition then 👍🏻

[sonic turret]

It could be something to do with his AI, in-built into his helmet.

[wild rose]

More like instinct

[vital rapids]

I mean. Demonstrably

[willow beacon]

The parrying mechanic is there so you can not take damage from projectiles, this wouldn’t work

[sonic turret]

This too, as a result potentially of his foray into the divinity machine, although it wouldn't explain lore wise why he wasn't able to parry in 2016.

[wild rose]

Instinct

[wild rose]

Because he doesn't have a shield ????

[sonic turret]

Sure, and his natural instincts that were developed during the classic Doom era may have been heightened during the divinity machine contact, like a Spider Sense.

[vital rapids]

Unless being plugged in to maykr tech had an effect that wears off.
OR he stops using the shield intentionally due to not liking his old employment terms

[wild rose]

Because he can't store them all

[wild rose]

The Slayer uses a plug!???

[sonic turret]

True but he didn't have one in Eternal either, but he was able to instinctively discern the right time to shoot a Marauders.

[cinder estuary]

No, its not. You can still avoid damage by strafing

Parrying is a gameplay mechanic to keep your defensive options also engaging

[wild rose]

Yes. What's your point?

[vital rapids]

The tether

[cinder estuary]

Defensive mechanics in games are almost always boring

[willow beacon]

How many times should you be able to parry before it breaks then? What would the recharge be?

[sonic turret]

The question would be why he's able to do this in TDA and Eternal but not in 2016, which chronologically occurs between the two.

[vital rapids]

But.. what if they're exactly the same thing. It would make a lot of sense

[willow beacon]

Parrying every projectile would be very unbalanced, either you can parry everything or you can’t parry anything depending on how long the cooldown for the shield to recharge is and how much it can take

[cinder estuary]

Read the message

You should be able to parry everything

But the shield should still take damage and go down like it does right now

[willow beacon]

So it takes damage the exact same way as it does now?

[wild rose]

It'd be impossible to fight Azrath lmao

[willow beacon]

Same amount and everything?

[cinder estuary]

No, you can just parry his shit

And if you parry, it doesn't go down. And as long as you keep getting proper parries it doesn't go down

[wild rose]

But you said the shield would break

[willow beacon]

Agaddon hunter, cosmic baron, Komodo’s, boss fights, none of those would work

[cinder estuary]

Holy fuck have you guys not played any parry centric game like sekiro?

[vital rapids]

It really would be like serious sam if everything was parryable exactly the same.

[sonic turret]

Honestly I doubt Hugo really went through these thought processes what we're discussing now, while he was developing the game.

[cinder estuary]

You take posture damage even on a perfect parry, but as long as you keep getting perfect parries, your posture doesn't break

[wild rose]

Let's just make the shield unbreakable and grant me immunity when holding block because I'm a badass 😭

[willow beacon]

You said it would take damage the same as it does now

[cinder estuary]

Yes

Those 2 things can be true

[willow beacon]

I’m so confused 😭

[vital rapids]

This game does not sound fun

[willow beacon]

So you are saying, that you can parry everything, and if you hit a correct parry it will not damage the shield?

[honest vortex]

I feel like the only one who thinks the cool ass melee/shoot Sekiro Captain America chains etc you can do is waaay cooler than mere quick swap combos.

[cinder estuary]

You still take shield damage if you parry
Your shield doesn't break as long as you keep getting patries

[willow beacon]

That’s the worse idea I think I’ve ever heard

[sonic turret]

Anyway, next question. What's the lore explanation for the Slayer's AI sounding so much like Vega?

[willow beacon]

The entire game would just be sitting there pressing right click at every projectile

[cinder estuary]

It will damage your shield, but as long as you keep getting perfect parries, your shield doesn't break

[vital rapids]

Nah I like them. Hugo calls it chaining combat sentences. Perfect phraseology, exactly what it is

[wild rose]

Did you guys play Halo? I need an info

What's the name of that ability you become immune to all damage while doing a super hero landing?

[honest vortex]

Especially due to Dark Ages guns being waaaaay cooler and waaaaay better sounding than Eternal's.

The parry buff gun mechanics are hella cool too.

[cinder estuary]

You clearly haven't played Sekiro

[willow beacon]

Yeah that’s why it’s a terrible idea, there’s a wild amount of easy to party projectiles you can just parry those

[willow beacon]

Doom ain’t sekiro 😭

[cinder estuary]

It would've been better if it took more inspiration from it, and more challenging

[willow beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/914508501697576990/1314542204722741248/caption.gif?width=778&height=671

[cinder estuary]

Yes

[honest vortex]

Chaining combat sentences is exactly it

Holy shit

[sonic turret]

But he didn't have Vega until 2016 and TDA happens way before that, and yet his TDA AI sounds pretty much the same as Vega.

[willow beacon]

The problem with this is that it’s really easy to parry

[cinder estuary]

That's a problem

[honest vortex]

Chaining combat sentences+dopest melee system in FPS history>>>>>quick swap, punch swap, dash spam, air time abuse.

Any day

[cinder estuary]

Yes, if the game made it so you could parry anything, they could also make more challenging parries

[pulsar totem]

Hey does anyone actually use the Accelerator? I’m halfway through my first playthrough and the Cycler definitely seems like a better gun and I can’t really see what the accelerator is brining to the table…

[vital rapids]

OK, so you have to be able to parry like 250ms apart in this game. So if you can parry EVERYTHING, what stops you standing in one place and just clicking your mouse button the whole game? @cinder estuary

[sonic turret]

I understand what you're saying and it does make sense.

[cinder estuary]

To be fair TDA doesn't have competition when it comes to melee on fps

[wild rose]

Have you guys ever seen Halo's armor lock ability?

[willow beacon]

They would have to SIGNIFICANTLY change the game to make this work

[honest vortex]

It's still a dope ass extremely satisfying melee system regardless

[wild rose]

Halo?

[cinder estuary]

They literally wouldnt

[cinder estuary]

Lmao no

[willow beacon]

Fodder can’t use projectiles anymore

[honest vortex]

Halo's melee system is pretty mediocre though

[wild rose]

Competition doesn't mean they are tied lol

[honest vortex]

Ew.

[willow beacon]

Heavy demons would need complete attack reworks

[cinder estuary]

Why not, it being parriable doesn't mean the best option will always be parry

[wild rose]

Is it an yes?

[cinder estuary]

Ah yes, the cyberdemon and aggadon hunter which all their main moves t can already be parried and it's still good

[willow beacon]

Because there’s such an obscene amount of them flying around you can delete whole arenas by parrying them all?

[cinder estuary]

Try and block and parry every projectile that comes your way

[willow beacon]

That’s 2 enemies pal, and making EVERYTHING parryable would break the game

[honest vortex]

In a lot of ways I find it more interesting than even the top tier melee games like Bloodborne.

Due to the synergy and the way the melees play and combo into the guns, shield runes, shield flexibility, shooting, cancels , and gun buffs and countless other things.

[cinder estuary]

Also it would incentivizes even more movemrnt

[willow beacon]

Light work at 100% speed

[vital rapids]

You wouldn't have to. Everything fires at you, so if you stand in one spot and spam parry you will delete everything and get health pickups

[willow beacon]

It would not, it would incentivize sitting still to make parries easier

[wild rose]

With this being said, mace sucks fun wise. Little combo potential

[cinder estuary]

Make the parry window naturally tighter

[honest vortex]

It looks and sounds cool, but it's grossly overpowered and hella clunky.

[willow beacon]

Even with that it wouldn’t be hard for good players to just walk to the middle of an arena, and time pressing right click until the whole arena dies

[wild rose]

Literally. As someone who already abuses lightning rune, I wouldn't even be able to clean the final levels without it. Making everything parryable would be bad

[cinder estuary]

Yes because yourguard wouldn't get broken by getting hit by different timing projectiles

[vital rapids]

Everything you're suggesting incentivises turtling, and fails to do what the parryable projectiles and other things do - encourage active movement and gameplay

[wild rose]

Yeah. I find a lot more fun to use power gauntlet. It makes insane damage, charges fast and it's fun

[willow beacon]

Wdym different timing projectiles, pretty much all projectiles in the game have different timing already

[cinder estuary]

It only incentivizes turtling if you think of adding something within the current balance, when I'm saying something completely different

[honest vortex]

Personally never seen a game combine melee and shooting and other types of aspects like this before, atleast in a way this cool and fun.

[willow beacon]

Exactly, NOT being able to parry most means you have to run away to avoid getting hit

[cinder estuary]

So you agree

[willow beacon]

???

[vital rapids]

Run away, and importantly, move forward

[honest vortex]

Yeah. Flail can do cool stuff too, but it feels very weak?

[cinder estuary]

If the projectiles all have different timing and are coming from everywhere, how would turtling be incentivized

[cinder estuary]

It's mainly for utility tbh

[honest vortex]

Armor farmer

[willow beacon]

It ain’t hard to parry them all, it’s already easy to parry multiple different projectiles being shot at me at the same time

[cinder estuary]

Its amazing with the cycler

[honest vortex]

I love the Cycler. It's like a more interesting but even more overpowered DOOM 2016 stun bomb.

[vital rapids]

Flail is very satisfying, and means you can take armor off as part of your melee "sentences"

[willow beacon]

I’m saying the projectiles already have different timing and it’s not difficult to parry them even when being shot at by multiple at the same time, making all parryable doesn’t make this much harder

[cinder estuary]

It's not hard because the projectiles that can be parried are not always there, so the projectiles are stupid easy to parry.

If everything could be parried, they could make more super hard attacks to parry in return to keep you on your toes

[willow beacon]

Would the super hard to parry attacks be easy to dodge or no?

[honest vortex]

Yeah. I'm not sure if I prefer the gauntlet or flail more

I swap between both a lot.

The game does feel harder and more punishing whenever I use the flail though

[cinder estuary]

That's the point, you can make more projectiles that are super hard to parry and hard to dodge, or INSANELY hard to parry but easier to dodge, or super hard to dodge but easy to parry

Right now every parriable attack is easy to parry and easy to dodge (when it's a projectile)

[vital rapids]

I think you're ignoring the fact that the flow of the game combines the things you can do naturally the way it is. It brings you into combat, provides natural combinations of move, shoot, charge, melee, parry together
It's a unique balance

Just parry would kinda suck

[willow beacon]

If you can parry everything it would turn into just parrying and not using guns

[willow beacon]

Then it would be parry everything except for the super hard to parry but easy to dodge ones

[cinder estuary]

On my 12th playthrough

I'm starting to hate this game because of the slowdown

[honest vortex]

Archie is shocked at the Archfacts this lad is spittin'

[cinder estuary]

The slowdown is so ass

[honest vortex]

[vital rapids]

When you must leave the spot to find the parry, the other things become the right tool in the moment

Which gets you using your tools

[cinder estuary]

"parry everything except everything that you need to dodge" I mean yeah that's the point

[honest vortex]

It does get annoying....but it seems they're working on making it a toggle atleast

[cinder estuary]

They should've made it an option from the get go

Actually, it shouldn't be a thing. It doesn't add anything to the game.

Kinda like sprint button. The game plays a thousand times better with auto sprint

It's the same issue as the chainsaw on eternal, it got old and annoying very fast to see the animation

[vital rapids]

I've heard people say the projectile waves are still ok without slow mo
I hope this is true, especially at high speed slider

[willow beacon]

Parry 99% and walk left for the 1% and rarely shoot your gun, that’s the goal?

[cinder estuary]

No, parry 50%, dodge 50%

[willow beacon]

Well if you could parry everything then there’s no point in dodging that much

[cinder estuary]

The game plays better without slowmo

[vital rapids]

At the very least it makes it possible for FPS fans new to parry mechanics to engage waves of them in an enjoyable way

[willow beacon]

You wouldn’t dodge that much

[cinder estuary]

If a projectile is stupidly hard to parry but stupidly easy to dodge, why would you try and parry

[cinder estuary]

It feels like a hand hold mechanic

[vital rapids]

I think chucking Doom fans in at the deep end with parry mechanics would have been stupid tbh

[cinder estuary]

Doom fans when they play a game that isn't tutorialized to hell and back smh

[vital rapids]

Because there's a very high chance this new mechanic out of left field would have been loathed if they did that

[cinder estuary]

Eternal almost made me quit with the obnoxious amount of tutorials when I first played it

[willow beacon]

Setting > tutorials (off)

[vital rapids]

On the contrary tbh. It's just a dramatic change, something FPS fans may have never played (or wanted to play) in their lives, being added to an established franchise. Probably good that people can pick it up and then ask to switch off the slow mo later

[cinder estuary]

TDA is much less intrusive

[vital rapids]

I don't think the reason for that is muh tutorials. Just on boarding people to the new thing

[thin zinc]

doom twitter just posted a possible teaser for a horde or arcade mode

[cinder estuary]

There are better less intrusive ways to do so. The slowmo is a bad mechanic, it'd just be better if they made it, for example, only happen on the third strike of a melee or when you execute someone.

Slowdown on every parry while also having a falter after parries is so.... Stupid

The parry falter is great. The parry having a slowmo AND a falter is overkill

The parry having slowmo, falter and the slowmo not being toggable is a sin

The parry by itself already gives you a massive window even without the slowmo, it's so unnecessary

[vital rapids]

It's difficult to say after the fact because now we're all here for it

I think drastically switching up core combat loops in established franchises is fraught with bad possibilities and the fact people have generally taken to it and want it harder, suggests the approach was probably good

[cinder estuary]

It wasn't difficult for me to see how the slowmo was annoying the first time I dealt with it

And it seems that it's not just my opinion, as it was brought up to Hugo on his first TDA stream

The slowmo is straight up bad

[vital rapids]

I don't mind the slow mo, but now I am used to it I want to try it without for more speed, more fun. As long as the game stays firmly under my control it's not a big problem for me.

I might even keep it on tbh

The way combat flows is nice

[cinder estuary]

Even ultrakill has this shit ass small stop when parrying, but it's not nearly as intrusive

[vital rapids]

Let's see how it is when we get the toggle

[cold hatch]

will the path tracing update drop midnight or?

[cinder estuary]

I recommend watching some vids of the mod

[vital rapids]

Times I saw were around 4pm UTC

[cinder estuary]

Huh?

[vital rapids]

Yeh I watched them, it looked quite cool

[cinder estuary]

Path tracing?

[cold hatch]

nevermind but yeah there's path tracing update

[cinder estuary]

Overtutorialized games are annoying

[vital rapids]

I like fast FPS. I play some games with melee combat like mount & blade, KCD. I don't play the controller-centric stuff and don't need/want/care how similar doom is to those tbh

[cinder estuary]

Overtutorialized games are usually a sign that you will play something very mid

[vital rapids]

But would like speed

[cinder estuary]

Not always, but VERY often

[cold hatch]

would reddit work thenhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1ldq0l1/doom_the_dark_ages_path_tracing_update_releases/

[frail bloom]

WHERE

[cold hatch]

?

[frail bloom]

ARE YOU SERIOUS

[vital rapids]

Strongly agree.

[cinder estuary]

Wait what where

[cold hatch]

what about it?

[frail bloom]

POST IT IN HEEEERE

[thin zinc]

they just posted. shows an image of 3 cyberdemons attacking at once. just look at the official doom twitter. i cant link it here, it wont let me

[frail bloom]

Damn it NO DUDE

That's a secret.

[vital rapids]

No I think that's a secret from the game

[cinder estuary]

There are only three things I hate in games.

Overtutorialization
Extreme hand holding
The Current thing™️

[frail bloom]

Damn it

[thin zinc]

really? i never found that secret

[frail bloom]

Maybe some other day

[vital rapids]

Don't get me started on this but yes

[vital rapids]

Handholding, quicktime events, and hands-off animations in FPS games.

[frail bloom]

When is Hugo back

I miss him, I hope he's been thinking of some cool stuff on vacation

[cinder estuary]

The twitter post has nothing to do with horde mode

[frail bloom]

Ye like nothing

[limber onyx]

This game needs content ASAP

[cinder estuary]

It's just a secret in the game RIGHT NOW that you can pull a lever and fight three cyberdemons

[limber onyx]

I replayed and keep playing Eternal. Dark Ages just came and went.

[cinder estuary]

It came out barren of content

70 bucks for less content than every other nu doom game

[frail bloom]

When it release? It only had campaign and battlemode

[cinder estuary]

The game needed at least a NG+ mode

[frail bloom]

Unless you liked battlemode that much

[limber onyx]

Ye because Eternal was challenging. This game was 3easy6me

[vital rapids]

No that doesn't sound right sorry

[frail bloom]

Ohhh, what abt the sliders

[cinder estuary]

Eternal was longer and had battlemode

[limber onyx]

Done

[frail bloom]

Eternal's campaign is just not longer sorry

[cinder estuary]

This game is crying and screaming for a NG+ mode. This game only gets REALLY GOOD on a second campaign

[limber onyx]

Eternal had more replay value, Dark Ages is objectively longer but simultaneusly it is whatever at this point.

[fleet karma]

yo someone pls help i just get a black screen when i open

[limber onyx]

Exactly

[frail bloom]

Eternal is like 6 hrs normal playthrough

[vital rapids]

Some bonus content and DLC would be most welcome

[frail bloom]

13 hrs 100%

[cinder estuary]

The game is good, but it's better on a second playthrough.

[frail bloom]

This is true

[limber onyx]

I have 100 hrs on xbox and 60 on PC

[frail bloom]

Ye like you spent 100 hrs on a campaign playthrough

[cinder estuary]

I actually just wanted a NG+ mode where every mission has late game enemies and I start with all my stuff. This game is amazing once you are good and on late game

[frail bloom]

Bro said 100 HOURS

[limber onyx]

Multiple, and 60 on Dark Ages but I feel that is about it

[cinder estuary]

I have way over 100

[empty sable]

Lies. It only gets good on the third playthrough lol kidding

[cinder estuary]

I think

[frail bloom]

I have like 800 in eternal

[limber onyx]

Sure did, Eternal was that good I replayed the campaign multiple times including meme runs when I used the retro filter for the extra lives mode

[frail bloom]

Mostly because I had dlc, master levels, battlemode, horde mode

Tda will have dlc, and master levels. I've heard talk abt a horde mode and a super hard parry mode or smt

[cinder estuary]

TDA is on sale btw

[hushed cave]

need a horde mode on tda

[frail bloom]

Damn, how much now

[cinder estuary]

(On gamepass)

[limber onyx]

NG+ and Co-Op could save this game. Also restore Theia original design, the design they picked was the wrong one.

[frail bloom]

Huh

[cinder estuary]

It costs 60 USD I think if you have gamepass

They give you discounts if you have gamepass

[frail bloom]

I really liked the white haired one, I thought that was gonna be a seperate character

[cinder estuary]

I dunno about coop, but NG+ for sure

[limber onyx]

Thira, her blonde design with the 40k armor was cool. Although I prefer Metal Hurland / Heavy Metal designs in my Grim dark Sci-Fi