the-dark-ages

[cinder estuary]

Almost finishing it, notice I am missing one secret. It's knowhere in the map.

I'm going insane

Then restart it at least 6 times to get 100%

[orchid rover]

I want the next Doom to be so newcomer unfriendly, it checks your body and soul to see if you have 1000 hours or more in the game before you play.

[harsh heron]

am i about to awaken the icon of sin? i feel like i'm about to awaken the icon of sin

[cinder estuary]

I am going insane

[mild loom]

preach

[cinder estuary]

So you want it to be a fighting game

[orchid rover]

You think he's awakening the Icon of Sin? I DO I DO

[cinder estuary]

Doom fighting game would go hard.

[stoic sleet]

Theres alot of them, whats his name i might remember him

[mild loom]

well, in the dark ages

[orchid rover]

NO. FIGHTING GAMES ARE SLOP

[mild loom]

Happy Hepper or some stupid shit like that

[orchid rover]

Doomguy should be a Mortal Kombat character though, that would be very fitting

[cinder estuary]

Only if it's a modern style fighting game with dumbed down mechanics.

[stoic sleet]

After playing the dark ages it made me realise I was a bit tired of eternal

[stoic sleet]

Oh then I dont know him

[cinder estuary]

Old fighting games like MvC are peak

[harsh heron]

i'm so happy they've fixed the ammo econ

[stoic sleet]

Smash Bros is peak tho icl

[cinder estuary]

Smash Bros is reddit slop

[stoic sleet]

All of them or just like ultimate and melee

I am biased as i have like 1300 hours in ultimate but

[cinder estuary]

All of them except melee

[slim crypt]

valid

[stoic sleet]

I never liked the reddits kazuya is jjst fun and the game is just fun

[slim crypt]

i wanna ban the word slop lmao.

[stoic sleet]

If only my switch wasnt on 13 like supports at the same time and my controller has unfixable broken limbs

[cinder estuary]

I think Nintendo as a whole is mediocre

[stoic sleet]

Oh and the fact that the switch feels unusable after using a ps5 or pc

[cinder estuary]

Nintendo peaked on the Nintendo DS

[tired rock]

Hell nah

[stoic sleet]

I am biased as fuck because nintendo carried my childhood

[stoic sleet]

How the fuck would an imp reasonably win against davoth unless the story is that its children playing with toys

[slim crypt]

and gamecube

[tired rock]

Doom Slayer at max, should be a featured character and THAT'S IT

[cinder estuary]

I am biased I love total remake mods for classic Doom.

That binding of Isaac mod for doom is hilariously addictive

[cinder estuary]

Fighting game logic

[stoic sleet]

I kinda wish the doomslayer was properly added to ultimate

[tribal grail]

How TF do I open the elevator door back up in Stage 12

[stoic sleet]

It would be hard to

[tired rock]

The only game where I can't really imagine it being a fighting game yet turns out to be REALLY good is Persona 4 Arena Ultimax.

[cinder estuary]

They added Steve and broke the game

[stoic sleet]

Theres an elevator in hellbreaker?

[tribal grail]

13

[stoic sleet]

I think sonic is still higher tier

Oh mb

I got confused i think maybe hellbreaker is level 11

[slim crypt]

playing melee rn on this busted ass gamecube controller

[stoic sleet]

I literally cant even put kazuya inputs on my switch controller due to how bad the sticks are, not even a skill issue, and i cant run

When that might happen to my ps5 controller imma cru

[stoic sleet]

Theyre so expensive

[slim crypt]

i need to play more smash ultimate i’ve been religiously on melee

[stoic sleet]

I miss destroying people as bowser, ganon and kazuya ngl

Sometimes the dark ages channel is just a second general

[slim crypt]

yeah i hope the mods are seeing this we talking about smash in dark ages yippie

[orchid rover]

I just learned that Shield Bash detonates Pincushion. Neat.

[harsh heron]

"exessive ordinance is now required"

wait he doesn't mean what i think he means does he?

[stoic sleet]

I swear to god tho the best part of not being able to use mt switch is no more “smash = sex” on tiktok

[stoic sleet]

Wasnt that literally said in the wraithstone upgrade?

[thin zinc]

loading up a demon with pins till it glows, then just throwing the shield at them makes them blow up, and is very satisfying. dont even have to shield bash.

[stoic sleet]

Bro I have been playing cha cha cha in my airpods for an hour straight

[harsh heron]

the big.
fucking.
crossbow????

[slim crypt]

big fucking coc

[harsh heron]

OH MY GOD THAT IS CTHUILU

[hard thistle]

🤤

[orchid rover]

No

[hard thistle]

Are u playing the game for the first time now?

[harsh heron]

yes

[hard thistle]

Enjoy vro(kratos is the final boss)

[harsh heron]

wait am i inside cthulu rn?

[stoic sleet]

No, its my dad

[hard thistle]

U got one of those? Cant relate

[stoic sleet]

Why are you inside my dad dude, not cool

[harsh heron]

its all consensual man

[stoic sleet]

Ur still inside my dad dude

[hard thistle]

Yes, the level is called "belly of the beast" dw tho doomslayer avoids the... Lower regions

[stoic sleet]

Not cool my dad is married

[hard thistle]

To me

[harsh heron]

AW COME ON THE CHAIR FOR A CERTAIN KINDA PERSON IS BLOCKED HAHA

[harsh heron]

you were like 3 chapters too early

[hard thistle]

I thought u said u were inside Cthulhu?

[harsh heron]

i thought i was it was just the weird eldritch dimension

[hard thistle]

Ohh yeahh the cosmic realm

[harsh heron]

also i think the fully upgraded ravager is like my favourite weapon i've ever used in a video game, lik ever

[hard thistle]

Fucking love the ravager

[harsh heron]

i can't centre my guns like in eternal can i?

[hard thistle]

Nope unfortunately, but it would look weird with the shield

[stoic sleet]

Just put the shield at the front of the gun

[harsh heron]

tru

[hard thistle]

You're such a genius

[harsh heron]

thats what, 3 seperate literal deities doomguy has felled now?

[hard thistle]

Bro is just that cool

[harsh heron]

he fr do be

[hard thistle]

How do you feel about the dragon sections?

[harsh heron]

to think all this could have been avoided if they just left the fucking bunny alone

[stoic sleet]

Left earth alone*

[harsh heron]

badass, if a bit tedious

[harsh heron]

you think slayer GAF about earth? nah he just wants vengance for daisy

[hard thistle]

I feel the same but tbr it flies by pretty quickly (pun very much intended)

[stoic sleet]

Bro lost his entire fucking life, friends and shit, and people think he did it ALL for a rabbit

Like i know theres jokes but people genuinely believe it

[harsh heron]

i do not pay attention to the lore of doom

[hard thistle]

Ye he does he loves humanity, was confirmed in doom eternal

Also iirc daisy was only discovered dead by the end of doom¹

[harsh heron]

https://tenor.com/view/monstersinc-sully-mike-door-put-that-thing-back-gif-4553929

me when he takes my helmet off

"we should kill him"
"we need something more permanant"

thats COLD

[inner wigeon]

Peak.

[harsh heron]

i still love how the slayer has said a single syllable this entire game

[stoic sleet]

“Ahrak, what about the detonator i left on his chest and the weapons than he can use to off himself?”

[hard thistle]

"Run"

[harsh heron]

run

[stoic sleet]

title card

[harsh heron]

heHEHEHE I LOVE THAT FAT FUCKING BISHOP

[rancid orbit]

runs well on steam deck?

[stoic sleet]

Oh you are NOT ready

That shit scared me

[harsh heron]

i got spoiled i know i gotta off him

[hard thistle]

Most satisfying kill if u ask me

[stoic sleet]

Have u seen his design without the cloak?

[harsh heron]

no, i have a feeling it is grotesque though

[hard thistle]

Bishop was like the doom variant of the penguin, fat, cowardly and scared of the protagonist

[rancid orbit]

??

[stoic sleet]

A bit of an understatement

[harsh heron]

he reminds me a LOT of that bastard from resi 8

[hard thistle]

Duke?

[harsh heron]

yeeee, the merchant

[stoic sleet]

I found ahzraks kill way more satisfying

[harsh heron]

the makyr are biomechanial yeah? like warpers from subnautica?

[hard thistle]

I see it, but duke was pretty chill. Loved how much he helped Ethan despite him being an absolute stranger to him

[harsh heron]

oh no i wanna fuck the demon

[stoic sleet]

Fuckass charger mate

[hard thistle]

Fair enough

[stoic sleet]

Stupid fucking little brother destroyed it cant even charge while bent

[hard thistle]

Doomslayer would be disappointed.

[hard thistle]

Ye something like that

[harsh heron]

this ass could change him

MORE CTHULUS?

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-goodness-gracious-doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-thira-gif-14544958189392515884

[stoic sleet]

Mommy

[stoic sleet]

Prepare for peak

[hard thistle]

Thira solos ngl

[harsh heron]

make that six deities

[stoic sleet]

About to be 7

[harsh heron]

i was about to say, is that including himself that he just burned in the acid?

[stoic sleet]

Yeah

Play the next cutscene for peak

[harsh heron]

HE SAID THE THING

[hard thistle]

The scene after that you need to pay full attention to, its fucking awesome

[harsh heron]

i'm getting a sense of deja vu here

HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK

[stoic sleet]

As expected

[hard thistle]

Yes zombie slayer is canon now

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-zombie-zombie-doom-slayer-gif-6392204321683655363

[stoic sleet]

Bro i might cry, my charger has stopped working

[cobalt fog]

You know people give a lot of crap to the dragon missions but I find my most played missions are all dragon missions

[cobalt fog]

Real

[harsh heron]

"it is your duty to protect your kreed"
eat my ass fatman

URGH WHAT JUST CRAWLED UNDER HIS SKIRT

maggotman

[sonic turret]

How many are there?

[harsh heron]

wdym

"final battle"

is chapter 21 of 22

[tough swan]

Wait for the other fight

[harsh heron]

thats what im saying its clearly not the final battle

[tough swan]

I find the dragon missions like riding a banshee on halo

Except the banshee is more heavy metal and the weapons are more powerful

[harsh heron]

IS THAT A MECHA CTHULU

oh

that spear went right through the slayer

NO NOT SERRAT

[molten island]

I'm about to get to the first dragon mission I feel , I haven't made it at , but I feel the game would be good without dragon forced gameplay in a doom game but I'll.see how they implemented it

[hardy sun]

Am I the only one playing it in "Aspiring Slayer" mode?

[steel crypt]

whats better? Eternal or Dark Ages?

[steel crypt]

yes

[karmic dagger]

anyone listen to the doom tda ost? even after the patch where they updated the game's mixing, the ost sounds so much better

like, theres so much in the ost that feels like i didnt hear it at all during the game

[real lynx]

Yes

[hard thistle]

I already loved the OST when the game came out, but the update made the mix sooooooo much better! The Holy City, Siege, the Abyssal Forest, Forsaken Plains, all the levels with the best music now have the music properly pronounced!

[merry sapphire]

yea cause it is basically the final boss fight. the final level is a victory lap

[real crater]

if they wanted to change im too young to die they couldve at least made it "can i play daddy?"

[hard thistle]

The pre-final battle

[karmic dagger]

eh, im saying i think the mix is still not good. its better than on release but yeah... i feel like in the older games i could distinctly remember tracks, and in this one, (in the game) its just a blur mostly. but in the tda ost, the tracks sound great, and punchy as hell

[harsh heron]

okay yeah it kinda was lol

[karmic dagger]

like, maybe the fights arent long enough? some of the tracks in tda have cool sound effects and chanting and stuff... i didnt pick any of that up in the game

[harsh heron]

well, I have gamepass for a month, anyone got any other recs?

[hard thistle]

As for ambience, Cosmic Sea for the Cosmic Realm was hauntingly glorious. Especially in the Karthul Marshes, looking out to the horizons of colossal tentacles.

[hardy sun]

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

[harsh heron]

I've heard that's brill, what kinda game actually is it tho?

[hardy sun]

JRPG with turn-based combat. Kind of a mix of Final Fantasy and Persona

[real crater]

powerwash simulator and skyrim

[hardy sun]

But it's made by a french company and it has a very french asthetic.

[harsh heron]

hmm, not my kinda thing,I'll give it a whack though

[harsh heron]

already got both of them, wanna play something new, something I can't usually play

[hardy sun]

Ori and the Blind Forest, and Ori and the Will of the Wisps

[brave leaf]

might continue my playthrough today

[harsh heron]

ori is a great shout I've been meaning to get round to those games for ages

[real crater]

well the gta remastered trilogy used to be on there but they took it off

[harsh heron]

I already have them haha

[merry sapphire]

outer wilds and other doom games. also hollow knight

[hardy sun]

Train Sim World 5

[harsh heron]

outer wilds I am working through RN! and ofc I've done the other dooms

[merry sapphire]

sick man, outer wilds is genuinely such an amazinf game u gotta finish it

[steel crypt]

owa owa

[hard thistle]

Whats your options? Im asking cuz idk whats on gamepass i play ps

[merry sapphire]

u also gotta play hollow knight

[harsh heron]

it is, I've tried it like three times but decided to give it one last go, looking forward to the new one

[harsh heron]

I have been getting into metroidvanias

[merry sapphire]

u gotta be Curious n shi its such a beautiful ass Game

[harsh heron]

yessss that's what I've realized. it's like what Todd wanted Starfield to be

[hard thistle]

I keep forgetting to play hollow knight

[merry sapphire]

u Gotta, Silksong is gonna release next week

[merry sapphire]

hol on

[hard thistle]

Ye so i heard

[merry sapphire]

you play outer wilds rifht? not outer WORLDS

two very different games

[hardy sun]

lol, "next week". 😆

[harsh heron]

wait no yeah I am actually working my way through both LMFAO

[sleek ocean]

Is there any specific tech for killing the aggadon bois quickly? My current strat is just parry impaler shield bash over and over but they feel like they just take forever to go down.

[merry sapphire]

entirely possible let s man hope

[hard thistle]

I use the ssg bcs of how close range those red assholes are

[merry sapphire]

gauntlet melee lets them take extra damage, after that just stick with the ssg for pure close range damage, and throw in some green rockets

[merry sapphire]

pause that Mid ass game and go finish outer Wilds my Beautiful amazing Peak Game

No Offense to Snooze worlds 😴

[harsh heron]

ehhhhh. it comes and goes in waves

[sleek ocean]

I might just be having a moment because I'm tired but what do you mean by green rockets?

[merry sapphire]

theres an upgrade for the rocket launcher that super boosts your next rocket shot after a parry

and makes it green

[harsh heron]

it's a marvelous game, no question about it

just not catching me

[hard thistle]

Careful tho cuz i think that causes self damage

Unless the one that heals u is separate

[merry sapphire]

outer wilds is actually not that long, you shouldnt play it in waves as information in that game is literally the only way to progress in it, so forgetting stuff is essentially like losing items

[merry sapphire]

the heals come with the parry

[harsh heron]

oh I basically start again when I play lol

one day It'll properly hook me

[hard thistle]

O i thought it was one of those "this one or that one" upgrades where u can only select one of them

[sleek ocean]

Ohhh I've been sleeping on the green rockets. Okay I'll try that out

[merry sapphire]

u Gotta Play it in the Night and jus Get lost in It u feel me shi is Beautiful

[merry sapphire]

nah its a main upgrade brochacho

[hard thistle]

Your strat is defo the right one then

[merry sapphire]

watxh a space video or Smth and its gon hook u Trust ✌️

[harsh heron]

I'll get round to itttt

[merry sapphire]

it deals insane damage probably thrice as much as an ssg shot

[merry sapphire]

o Yea go Play Celeste fun ass Game

hard as Hell tho if U wanna 100%

[harsh heron]

it's lovely Celeste, hard as balls though lol, I couldn't even reach the summit without using the assist features

[merry sapphire]

#Fair

u on Console or pf?

pc*

[harsh heron]

I played Celeste on switch, mostly a PC gamer tho

only use switch for indie stuff and Nintendo

[tranquil badge]

Ive died 4 times on the same level on pandemonium, this game is testing me 😂

[hard thistle]

Celeste is that pixel game right

[merry sapphire]

u got Gamepass on Pc then

[harsh heron]

yeah, girl climbing mountain, it's an allegory for her anxiety n shit

[harsh heron]

yeee

[hard thistle]

Sounds quite interesting

[merry sapphire]

Instead of Doing Allat She shouda Played Outer Wilds

#WhoWitMe 💦💦

[hard thistle]

Need to play outer wilds too icl

Alot of games i need to play still but my main ones js have my heart rn

[frank turtle]

chapter 22 on pandemonium with 1/3 life sigils left. I might be cooked

[long sparrow]

You can do it

[hard thistle]

Lock in g

[barren warren]

don’t forget that (as of now) you have infinite bfc ammo with berserk

so use all your shots during the final arena and then grab berserk when you get aboard asscrack’s ship

[frank turtle]

I DID IT

[hard thistle]

Love how we js all call him asscrack now

[frank turtle]

YAYAYAYAYA

[frank turtle]

I did not know this LOL

[barren warren]

they’ll probably end up patching it so that it works like it does in eternal

[frank turtle]

now I think I'm ready for UN

[barren warren]

because there’s that berserk on the soul barge immediately available for the final fight of chapter 19

[frank turtle]

oh damn

thank u guys for the support, ngl I was starting to doubt myself

[hard thistle]

Good job son

[barren warren]

him and his dumbass forehead crack

[frank turtle]

shout out asscrack

[hard thistle]

He was pretty hot tho

Guys dont judge me but cmon he was

[frank turtle]

I agree ngl

doomguy hotter tho

[barren warren]

body seems pretty cold to me

[hard thistle]

Put this guy in a phonk edit

[barren warren]

asscrack edit where it’s just clips of him getting his ass kicked set to sneaky snitch

[hard thistle]

I'd repost tf out of that

[barren warren]

they should totally bring back the spirit for the dlc

possessed komodo cbt

[frank turtle]

has anyone here beaten ultra nightmare yet

[half plaza]

12 attempts

i am making myself 100% at least the levels

[frank turtle]

Just started my first

[half plaza]

i am in pain

[frank turtle]

F that

I'll maybe do a 100% UN run if I can manage to beat it

some of the gore nests are brutal

all I need for 100% milestones is UN complete and custom trial

[barren warren]

my strategy was to only get all the currency from the first 11 chapters + the wraith stone from chapter 12 which i then used to fully upgrade the shield, impaler, super shotgun, flail, holy swarm, ravager, heaven splitter, and dreadmace (in that order)

[frank turtle]

yeah, you really wanna upgrade those S tier items as soon as you can

I focus on my shield first usually

[barren warren]

for fights i prioritize killing demons as fast as possible over farming resources like armor

knowing each demons’s attacks and health values is key to not worrying

[frank turtle]

impaler and combat shotgun is my usual go to on pandemonium

wow it's actually kinda nice having life sigils fully heal you on UN. on pandemonium they just sit there until you have empty space

[barren warren]

i’m pretty sure it’s a bug but for my un run, soul spheres didn’t give me any armor

so just watch out for that

[frank turtle]

the hell LOL

[remote thunder]

to me it seems like specific ones do/don't

[steel crypt]

There's only 1 beer left

Rappers screaming on and on in our ears like we're deaf

https://tenor.com/view/brrt-mfdoom-doom-mf-pfp-gif-26408275

[stoic forge]

Hey am I supposed to be quick swapping in this game? I’m on my first run

[karmic dagger]

i dont think there's a straightforward/normal quick swap in this

[silent trail]

I think I found a bug

[tired rock]

The other good DOOM.

[silent surge]

some heal armor too on UN?

[real lynx]

I don't think soul spheres heal armor on UN

[barren warren]

the only one that did on my run was the first one in chapter 9

[honest vortex]

Whiplashes are literally the worst designed enemies of all time.

Holy shit

[shrewd comet]

is anyone playing doom the dark ages from gamepass here?

[frank turtle]

I am

I have it on gamepass but I bought the 30$ premium upgrade

[shrewd comet]

I can not launch it. it says something went wrong and then sending me a link to go their home page

this is what in page it tells me.
If you have reached this page by downloading the game from the Microsoft Store, make sure you are logged in to the Microsoft Store and Xbox App with a user who owns the game. If you do not see the game on the Xbox app, visit https://www.xbox.com , login with your user and verify you own the game by pressing the "PURCHASE" or "GET" button. Now try again to start the game.

If this does not apply to you please contact us with the following contact form.

[vital rapids]

Nah, that energy should go into use of your shield/melee

[frank turtle]

I'm not too sure man, I've never had this problem

you might have to get gamepass ultimate

I'm not 100% certain though

[keen vortex]

guys

off topic question

youtube videos are not showing for me, i can click on a video without seeing the thumbnail, any solution?

[fringe shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1l8nzc4/doom_the_dark_ages_serrat/

[wild rose]

Didn't we get any words on the Berserker trophy problem on PS after the update?

[tacit quarry]

I cried myself to sleep after sarrat died

[bold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-true-launch-the-true-doom-launch-the-true-gif-17039720600748597696

[fringe shell]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1l8nzc4/doom_the_dark_ages_serrat/

[fringe shell]

PLEASE SOMEBODY CHECK IT

[pulsar granite]

Shut up we don't care

[harsh egret]

lmao

[fringe shell]

OK

[bold mulch]

so a mod to improve dragon combat, awesome

[fringe shell]

WE NEED ONE

[pulsar granite]

And you can't even make a mod like that yet because the only mods rn are dll files that add stuff that can be changed using the console, there's no mod manager rn

[fringe shell]

I KNOW BUT POSSIBLE IN LIKE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER

[harsh egret]

what?

[fringe shell]

MOD FOR DRAGON COMBAT

[pulsar granite]

Why the caps lock chill

[harsh egret]

also why us bro typing in all caps

[fringe shell]

sorry i forgot to check caps lock

[harsh egret]

[fringe shell]

[pulsar granite]

[fringe shell]

hato how did you get that icon on your profile

[harsh egret]

doesnt matter u cant get it anymore afaik

jesus

[fringe shell]

ok

[pulsar granite]

Chat what

Not everyone has an iphone

[fringe shell]

will you guys like to be in a dc server with me

[pulsar granite]

Depends

[fringe shell]

i am sending you friend request

[harsh egret]

bro what r u on about

[pulsar granite]

What is the server even about

[fringe shell]

just normal talk i am making one server rn

[pulsar granite]

Nah ty

[fringe shell]

doom guy

[harsh egret]

respectfully don't think anyone wants to be in that discord server.

[fringe shell]

i know but still for fun

[harsh egret]

how old r u

just curious

bro actually dmd me invite to his discord, this guy

[bold mulch]

bruh

[fringe shell]

ok

[bold mulch]

he needs to work on his tact

[fringe shell]

i was playing with you

[bold mulch]

peculiar

[pulsar granite]

Self react goes hard

[bold mulch]

ty ty

[fringe shell]

what does peculiar means

[bold mulch]

LMAO

[fringe shell]

do you guys want any steam game

[harsh egret]

either ur pretending to be 12 or u are 12

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/grammer-grammar-gif-21607828

[harsh egret]

yes i rly wanna play MindsEye

[pulsar granite]

I am hoping the first

[fringe shell]

i am not 12

[harsh egret]

I heard its goated

[pulsar granite]

Then?

[fringe shell]

i am giving the file just wait

[harsh egret]

bruh stop this shit

[pulsar granite]

Bro trynna be hackerman

[fringe shell]

sorry the manifest is not vailable

available

[pulsar granite]

❓

Confused

[harsh egret]

Master at trolling

[fringe shell]

steam lua manifest file

no i have got every game that way

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hackerman-gif-22344136

[harsh egret]

Very kewl

This dark ages discussion going hard

[pulsar granite]

Don't fall for the ragebait everyone

[fringe shell]

you can check a video on that yourself

[harsh egret]

Dont care

[fringe shell]

ok

[pulsar granite]

Have you checked the name of this channel

[bold mulch]

anyway back to dark ages so we don't get smited

yeah he is prince asscrack fr

I wish the sentinels spoke English so they could make that joke

If only they knew, should've just shamed him back to hell

yeagh, I hope someone rips the argenta font that would be very swag

(Pls I'm on console I need it)

please

his naked form has an asscrack of sorts

uhmmm games run through it for cross play reasons iirc

ah I dare not venture into the quake sever

I should really play some quake damn

[hot lava]

Quaking in your boots? I just picked up Q1&2 for switch tonight

Because it is really

I think it was supposed to be something different but marketing was like “but quake”

[bold mulch]

tbh yeah what's up with that, should I get 1 or 2? I usually hear that 2 is the way

also didn't 2 get remastered or whatever

ah idk lemme check

[hot lava]

Yeah it was a 1&2 bundle for $7

Old school fps are tough I’m doing Doom 2 first time and I want to cry

So unfair and obtuse

[light flower]

HOLY S YALL R COOL

[bold mulch]

doom 2 map layout makes me wanna tweak but it has great combat encounters

[hot lava]

Community stuff is great. Base game is like unplayable mostly compared to doom 1

[hot lava]

The courtyard is like the first slaughter map

I’m playing the fairly shite x360 port so that’s why I might be having a hard time

Achievement hunting

[bold mulch]

oof good luck, stay sane

le sigh I have to finish my doomguy drawing but ion wannnaaaa

sooo many details

honestly yeah that's real

I am very lazy 🥀🥀

true I should just play more tda

I'm training for ultra nightmare mode aarrrghhh

well also I gotta 100% every level

understandable it is kinda a chore at times

I did like a third of the game on nightmare before I could no longer take the agony and switched to UV

but after I 100% everything the nightmare run begins

Then pandemonium, THEN UN

[bold mulch]

I have mine at 120 but will probably turn it up

[split gate]

I feel the game is more Classic Doom than the other two by a long shot, not exactly but it feels closer to it

[bold mulch]

Hugo slander

[arctic flame]

Bethesda support sucks big time, are there any way of getting in contact with them except via the Bethesda.net support page? I can't do squat on Doom Eternal or Dark ages because my account is linked to an email that was automatically created the day I bought Fall Out New Vegas. They've managed to locate my account and I've asked them to update the email address so that I can gain access and redeem all of my content.

It's been 4 days now since I received a reply from them... It's pathetic to be honest.

[bold mulch]

id is unfortunately part of the hive mind of Bethesda and that is apart of the least helpful organization known and Microsoft

[neon gust]

oh yeah Palestine my favorite region of Hell in Doom The Dark Ages

Although I do like Kadingir myself but that's from 2016

[torn vector]

If you adjust difficulty on ultra nightmare you are getting Slayer skin when campaign is over?

[neon gust]

jokes aside I have no idea why you're even talking about Palestine here

[torn vector]

Can anyone reply to my question?

[neon gust]

idk man I think you're foolish

[torn vector]

I need an answer

[neon gust]

I think it has no reason to be talked about in any of the Doom channels

[neon gust]

I tried lowering the difficulty and I think it lowkey booted me out of UN because life sigils worked as intended

[torn vector]

Thanks

[split gate]

Yep TDA is for TDA related stuff

[neon gust]

in short: you gotta do it the old way

[hallow oar]

Anyone know, why I got no avhievement for Melee Expert with absolutely all upgrades bought? I even got the milestone...

[neon gust]

Nightmare is already hard as all hell so why would I subject myself to UN or even Pandemonium

[torn vector]

There are achievements for all upgrades.

[neon gust]

Nightmare took me a lot of tries but I think it's because I was subjecting myself to 100%

And that includes weapon mastery stuff

[hallow oar]

And I got all of them

[torn vector]

Same on Steam

[neon gust]

so here I am fighting Ahzrak with the plasma rifle

granted, I should've chosen something better

[remote thunder]

nah accelerator is really good there

[hallow oar]

Anywhere to report it to Xbox?

[neon gust]

but I'm a completionist baby so I'll always go for 100%

[torn vector]

You can contact Xbox support

[neon gust]

Maybe so, I didn't try using anything else

[torn vector]

@hallow oar You got achievements marked completed in-game?

[neon gust]

I'll try doing Pandemonium or UN another time. But I am NOT doing 100% on these

I already know most of the time I won't even be using any of the skull ammo weapons

[torn vector]

I am doing them for skins only

[neon gust]

So I'll focus on upgrading other stuff with money and rubies

[torn vector]

I use tdaunlocker+lower resolution for these games

[neon gust]

It doesn't even show up on Steam btw I got 100% Steam achievements and finishing with Pandemonium or UN doesn't even count

Finishing the first chapter with a custom preset also doesn't count towards the Steam achievements but I did it because it would've been pretty fun

[split gate]

Einstein falling on to his knees atm

[smoky reef]

Nope but I'll do right now

[bold mulch]

new wolfenstein is real I say as they drag me to the ward

[sterile sage]

Anyone please clear the UN 100% with max slider.

[trim crown]

Is there a way to get the nvidia slayer skin for someone who doesn’t have access to a computer that can launch nvidia geforce I really like it but can’t get it

[torn vector]

Without Nvidia app its impossible to get it

[graceful lion]

well you jsut need a code

[torn vector]

Install it to the PC and create Nvidia account

[harsh egret]

just get access to one

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

Idk i found out after i made that name

And a friend of mine found some dj on tiktok named "dj hato"

[torn vector]

It's irrelevant to Doom the dark ages game

[sacred sluice]

Is the armor the slayer wears in the game a Praetor suit or no?

[torn vector]

No this game is prequel to Doom (2016) game

[graceful lion]

no, its a different armor seperate from the praetor suit

[sacred sluice]

So that means he hasn't met the wretch at this point?

[graceful lion]

nope

the armor he has seems to mostly have been a leash for it's purpose, along with some other info the slayer gets

[sacred sluice]

Alright, just needed to know since it looked very similar to the modified praetor suit from Eternal

[graceful lion]

like the hud and shit which apparently is also canon for the slayer, as vega mentions it in eternal, and i think its once mentioned in tda

no, its likely just something he actually sees, like a visor

[neon gust]

The HUD is minimal in TDA so it would make sense that he sees at least part of it

[sacred sluice]

Makes sense, the Sentinel's technology seems quite advanced. But then why did they add the 🤨 in his HUD?

[harsh egret]

Cuz its cool

[graceful lion]

well, i dont think its any kind of thing he sees, just a hint to the old games

[neon gust]

And iirc a few characters in TDA mention "marking" targets on the map so it would also mean the Slayer:

1. sees the ingame-map from his helmet
2. sees the game objectives display geographically in real time in the actual level

[graceful lion]

becuase in doom 1, 2, and 64 you had a lil doomguy head doing that stuff

[neon gust]

well, not in 64, but I'm nitpicking

this is why I think the Slayer only canonically has access to some of his ingame HUD. Most likely, he sees health and health warnings, armor and game objectives

[sterile sage]

Does anyone have UN 100% max slider cleared?

[neon gust]

I tried to do that and got wiped in chapter 1 💔

[sterile sage]

[neon gust]

yeah lowkey felt like him at that moment

[sterile sage]

There's no clear news on YouTube, right?

[split gate]

Bro every input I see from you looks like you’re tweakin fr

[graceful lion]

nope, all we know is its in june

[gritty matrix]

I realized one of the events of the slayer testament happens in TDA

Tempered by the fires of Hell, his iron will remained steadfast through the passage that preys upon the weak. For he alone was the Hell Walker, the Unchained Predator, who sought retribution in all quarters, dark and light, fire and ice, in the beginning and the end, and he hunted the slaves of Doom with barbarous cruelty; for he passed through the divide as none but demon had before.

This clearly refer to the fact he died and trespassed in hell with all his wits.

Even if he routinely goes in and out hell, this was the first time he got there by dying. Well also in doom 1993 he did the same way.

[dusty forge]

Imagine the demons describing your actions as barbarous

[errant pagoda]

Tempered by the fires of Hell, his iron, now overheated, was broken by a thrown shield saw. :P

[dusty forge]

Lmao

[graceful lion]

couldnt read that

[dusty forge]

You really think the testaments are bs??

[graceful lion]

im saying some of the things they say are bs, like th getting stronger from every demon, or what the other point was of it

keep that away

[dusty forge]

How so??

[graceful lion]

it is never shown in the games

[placid rock]

because its a game

[dusty forge]

What about in the dark ages??
Where he kills the leader and the maximum health increases, isn't that getting more powerful??

[graceful lion]

oh great, that, which also happens when he picks up argent energy or the sentinel crystals in doom 2016/eternal respectively

but also no, that would just be a specific demon that buffs him, not every demon

also if hes getting stronger and healthier with every demon, does that mean the demons are also growing like he is?

[dusty forge]

It's just a gameplay mechanism

[graceful lion]

but also also, that just doesnt really make sense, the testaments are overdramaticised and are just demons dickriding the slayer

[graceful lion]

exactly, just doom 2016/eternal's equivalent of getting health/armor/ammo upgrades

[dusty forge]

That's like saying the whole doom lore is bullshit because according to the lore the slayer can't die

While playing the game he can

[graceful lion]

what how

where is it said that the slayer cant die?

nowhere.

[dusty forge]

Huh

[gritty matrix]

Canonically, he can't

[graceful lion]

he literally did die, so that is false

[ocean fiber]

He's too angry to die

[dusty forge]

But he was resurrected through a ritual

[graceful lion]

he still died tho?

[gritty matrix]

He didn't die, he crossed the door of hell with his will unbroken

[graceful lion]

if my car broke down, and a mechanic fixed it, my car still broke down

[gritty matrix]

And come back fresh as a rose

[ocean fiber]

I think Fidget is a demon

[dusty forge]

So, can he be brought back without the ritual??

[graceful lion]

@hard thistle did the slayer die?

[graceful lion]

no, hugo also said the ritual holds significance

[hard thistle]

What, in TDA? He obviously died, yes.

[meager vortex]

slayer can't die he just return hell hunt the demons

[dusty forge]

If no, then meaning him dying and resurrecting without the ritual is bs

[hard thistle]

Anyone saying he didn't die is in denial. We literally watch his lifeless body hit the acid and then sink into it. He died.

[graceful lion]

we literally have no idea what the gate of hell is for

[gritty matrix]

I mean if you die and you end in hell and kick all demons asses getting out just by your sheer badassery did you die? I would say you rather conquered death.

[slender night]

You open with "if you die", so yes, you do die

[meager vortex]

demons trying to kill him but he never die only demons die

[graceful lion]

you still did die

even thira said to not touch the tether, as it has a detonator strapped to it, clearly implying that it can kill the slayer

[dusty forge]

Okay, but what abour the resurrection without the ritual??
Is that possible??

[meager vortex]

that is why demons they fear slayer

[graceful lion]

no, again, hugo said the ritual is important

[graceful lion]

the maykrs also said they can terminate his life functions, so that checks out

[dusty forge]

Now, if the ritual is important and he died while you're playing the game, then how was he brought back to life??

[meager vortex]

ritual stop he just hunt demons inside hell

[graceful lion]

because the ritual brought him back to life-

[hard thistle]

Hugo claimed in his stream that the Slayer resurrected in the Harbor on his own and that Valen's ritual brought him back to the mortal plane. It is up to you to decide to believe him and further what exactly that means anyway.

[meager vortex]

demons:oh no! not again!

[dusty forge]

Bro.... there was none to perform the ritual in 2016

[graceful lion]

he didnt die in 2016?

he was just put in a coffin, he was not dead, it was basically a stasis chamber powered by argent

[gritty matrix]

Semantics apart, if someone dies and come back like nothing happens, I would say without a doubt he can't die.

[dusty forge]

But when you're playing the game you die
We were arguing about how somethings are video game mechanisms they are there because they just are!!

[graceful lion]

they literally did die, you just said "if someone dies"

they have successfully gone through death

[gritty matrix]

But the canon run is the one where you don't die

[hard thistle]

The Slayer doesn't come back to life in 2016.

[graceful lion]

but in the game in lore you literally die,

[dusty forge]

Uh..... have you seen the hell knight in 2016 on uv??

[hard thistle]

The "canon" Doom 2016 is a continuous run where you get through the whole thing without dying. i.e. UN

[graceful lion]

so doomguy is always playing on UN, thats canon doomguy difficulty

anyways brb

[gritty matrix]

Did jesus really die if he resurrect after 3 days? The church says he's immortal. Death per definition is supposed to be quite... Permanent

[meager vortex]

there are 3 rules 1. never try kill doom slayer pet 2.don't try kill doom slayer (because he will kill evil) 3.if you demons now your fucked up!

[hard thistle]

I mean, yes, he did die.

[dusty forge]

Let's call it a rest of sorts

[gritty matrix]

I've seen them and kicked their asses

[hard thistle]

The act of death does not entail that it is permanent. The Slayer died and came back. Coming back does not change that he died.

[graceful lion]

if you break your bone, and it heals, your bone still broke

if you lost your keys but later reacquired them, you still lost your keys

[slender night]

The important distinction here is to die vs to be dead

[steady elbow]

This is approaching "wake up dead" levels here lol

[gritty matrix]

This is a philosophical discussion btw

[graceful lion]

this

[dusty forge]

Just keep those mfs away from me and I'll beat the fuck outta every demon
These aholes just jump outta nowhere and freak the fuck outta me

[meager vortex]

demons they just meat

[gritty matrix]

When I can fast switch 2 ssg shot with a single shotgun shot and then double ssg again, nothing can jump scare me

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-walking-gun-gif-6971347467128966329

[hard thistle]

On this: My understanding is that the Slayer likely woke up on his own because of the shard of Davoth within him, but if Valen hadn't done the ritual he likely would've been stuck in Hell, or even stuck in just the Harbor of Souls.

[meager vortex]

hey guys what is best evil guy die scene?

[dusty forge]

I think the whole reason they did this is to bring back the skulls from the previous doom games where you use them to open doors and stuff
Also, zombie slayer looked cool as

[hard thistle]

Hell's victims (zombies) slowly degrade over time as their soul pours out of them and their body degrades into demon biomatter, according to Eternal's Fuel The Eternal Flame Codex files. This was how they got Essence before Nekravol.

Nothing suggests the Slayer would be immune to this. If Valen hadn't done the ritual, he could have ended up just fighting as a zombie until eventually succumbing to his body's degradation and then becoming a mindless heap of gore.

[slender night]

I think Felina from Breaking Bad is a top 10

[meager vortex]

kreed maykr die scene or ahzrack die scene

[dusty forge]

Azhrak

Fuckin hate that guy

[meager vortex]

asscrack

[dusty forge]

The slayer should of tourtured him fr
Like imagine tearing him limbs from limbs or peeling his skin off or someshit

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-flail-slam-gif-3602213455553818448

[dusty forge]

Too soft

[meager vortex]

but his head cracked

[dusty forge]

It's medieval doom ffs
He's gotta be more brutal than that

Atleast make him regret his existence or something

[meager vortex]

eternal hell priest they died very painful

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-poster-dragon-gif-351000602723686655

[merry sapphire]

do they later on turn into lost souls

[hard thistle]

That's the idea, yeah.

[stoic sleet]

Ahzrak killed serrat, and is the reason for the kreeds betrayal, is smug and annoying, the kreed is a coward and betrayed you

So ur meant to hate both but hate ahzrak more

[hoary pivot]

Slayer in TDA is soo fine

[graceful lion]

pretty boy fr

divinity machine fucked him up after eons, bro looks like a pitbull now

[honest vortex]

I see people say 1993 had way better levels than Doom II....And I don't get it.Like Episode 3 and 4 sucked, and Episode 2 was a huge mixed bag.

Episode 1 was good but lacked variety and got stale fast. Also Sandy Petersen and Tom Hall made the E3 and E4 maps and like half of Episode 2.

Like 1993 has the same degree of level inconsistencies as DOOM II but less variety, no SSG, and staler monsters. Also DOOM II has higher highs than the original DOOM. The music and aesthetics are generally waaay better though, I'll give you that.

[slender night]

Idk E4 is my favorite piece of Classic DOOM content

[honest vortex]

As far as Official stuff go.... I'd say SIGIL 1 and 2 as well as DOOM 64

I know SIGIL 1 and 2 "technically" aren't official, but I'm going to pretend, so they're made by John Romero

[honest vortex]

Oh wait Legacy of Rust as well

LoR is awesome

[hoary pivot]

Handsome feller

[mental grotto]

IMO 93’s level design was better but highly limited with the enemy roster. Doom 2 introduced the full enemy roster and SSG which wildly improved the variety of combat, but its levels didn’t fully utilize these new tools. Then tnt and plutonia (mainly plutonia) helped pave the way for community-made megawads to fully utilize the potential of the new weapon/enemies

Doom 2 experimented a lot more with the larger, open levels allowed by the engine upgrade which led to some REAL stinkers but also some really great levels

[delicate grotto]

The Chasm…

[mental grotto]

And by real stinkers I mean map13

[delicate grotto]

Is that the one with the fucking arrow on the ground lmao

[mental grotto]

Okay hot take, I actually kinda like the chasm. Although the ending part with the inescapable and lost souls is unnecessarily cruel

[mental grotto]

Yes lmao, the first real city level with a bunch of towers and window imps just out of your line of vision

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s what makes me hate it. Also the Barrels O’ Fun level. It’s not hard, it’s boring and annoying. Imo.

[delicate grotto]

Honestly I don’t mind that level too much aside from the Imp placements. I think there’s a pit trap at the end of the level too, can’t quite remember. Level is quite ugly regardless lol.

[mental grotto]

Yeah I’ll admit the gimmick gets old quick. Although the midi rendition of Alice in chain’s Them Bones is fucking awesome

[mental grotto]

Yeah it’s just a very weird and confusing level for me. Not particularly enjoyable and too big for its own good

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s fair

[delicate grotto]

I remember putting that song on in my car a long while ago, and realizing it sounded very familiar. Looked it up, sure thing, Doom 2 has a track inspired by it, lol.

[mental grotto]

Oh yeah how could I forget that one building where you’re forced on a slow elevator with imps hurling fireballs at you from above your head height. Actually near-impossible with fast monsters

[mental grotto]

If you look into it doom has a LOT of tracks inspired or outright ripped from 90s metal at the time and it’s actually really interesting

[delicate grotto]

Oh yes, I went down the rabbit hole quickly after lol

[delicate grotto]

Shit sounds awful on NM

[mental grotto]

“Waiting for Romero to play” is “this love” by Pantera, “deep into the code” is “behind the crooked cross” by Slayer, to name a couple off the top of my head

[mental grotto]

It’s basically an rngfest

[delicate grotto]

I love it personally, pretty cool stuff

[mental grotto]

Oh yeah I love it too, discovering this was a real cool full-circle moment for me. Played a lot of classic doom in my early teens, then going through my big metal phase recently and realizing “holy shit that’s in Doom!”

[delicate grotto]

Lol, for sure

[real crater]

bye bye american pie is the most subtle reference for sure

[delicate grotto]

I love hearing callbacks to those classic tracks in modern Doom as well. I haven’t seen anyone put together a list of TDA’s callbacks so I might do it. There’s some cool ones.

[mental grotto]

Yessir that’s what we were talking about earlier, the AIC callback

[mental grotto]

I’d love to see it because I actually haven’t noticed any. Maybe I should do another playthrough now that the music mixing is “fixed” or just listen to the soundtrack on its own

[real crater]

i hope facing the spider is referenced somewhere

such a underrated track and its actually underrated not just underplayed

[mental grotto]

Agreed, it’s a little forgettable considering how short the fight lasts but it’s actually metal asf

[frail bloom]

I think there's like 4 or 5

Wait I should put a list lol

Alright

D64 main theme- Atlan battleground
Dark halls-Cosmic realm tracks
Nobody told me abt ID-Ancestral beast
Countdown to Death-Infernal chasm
(My personal opinion)Hell on Earth(Mick)-Into the Void

Here's my personal opinion, doom is lacking a lot of solemn songs for a universe so brutal

We need some more atmospheric and melanchonic tracks, the medieval period would be perfect

Again, personal opinion

[delicate grotto]

Some official mixes don’t include their callbacks which is a major disappointment.
Like “Ancestral Beast” has one (though I can’t remember the name of the track is references atm)

“Infernal Chasm” references “Countdown to Death”

[delicate grotto]

Yeah you got it

Ancestral Beast def has one, it plays during light combat parts and during the Komodo Champion

[frail bloom]

Ye it's pretty obvious I can't believe someone had to tell me

But it's right in your face after yu know

[delicate grotto]

I remember playing the level for the first time hearing that, stopping, and realizing “Hey wait a minute, that’s from classic Doom!”

[frail bloom]

Good for yu, that must've felt nostalgic

[hard thistle]

I will say as much as I love the modern music I kind of miss stuff like this.
Example - the classic Doom's "Sign of Evil" is a cool song that gives off an atmosphere of intense sorrow, or eternal suffering or something. I like shit like this as much as I love the cool badass hevay metal. I want more of that.

[delicate grotto]

Divine Retribution also has one near the end of its official mix

[frail bloom]

I want more man

[delicate grotto]

I think it’s “Sinister”
Again I’d have to listen to the classic ost again to be sure but I know it’s from the classics

[frail bloom]

Ye I had the compulsion to say this bc I was thinking abt "welcome home great slayer", and "he's out there", and I just need more of that. I was also listening to the aot ost lol and I thought that it would be nice if we had a really angelic but sad choir, but not epic, if that makes sense

[hard thistle]

Or "Into Sandy's City" - that song never ramps up into a climax or some kind of metal riff. The song plays the same melody with the harpsichord and gives off this vibe of, like, you're in an important place and there is a long road ahead of you. It gives me the kind of vibe of Doomguy having to walk on hot concrete for hours on end making his way to the Hell portal, walking past abandoned buildings - an oppressive atmosphere, but not necessarily wrathful or super evil.

[frail bloom]

And I believe, personal opinion, that they toned down some of the medieval instruments too much. Like for unholy siege, it has rapid violin segments but they were toned down too much to hear

[delicate grotto]

I love “He’s Out There” ngl

[frail bloom]

Ye it's awesome

Very good track

[hard thistle]

Welcome Home Great Slayer is great and a cool callback to Sign of Evil. My favorite classic reference in Eternal isn't anything in the combat sections, it's the text screen music remix that will play ambiently in Exultia and Taras Nabad.

[frail bloom]

Is it a crime to say that I want to see doomguy sad, not just angry

Tda gives a hint like when his dragom died, he looked at it solemnly but I can't see his face

[hard thistle]

Reusing that song as the backdrop of the ruined Sentinel culture is a really great move, it ties into that same kind of feeling its usage in the original games evoked.

[frail bloom]

Bc he is a broken person, at some point his rampage through hell was especially evoked after the betrayal

So what happened at the betrayal, they were closed off by the deag, but the codex says they were scattered, but I would assume that they stayed in a group

How were they scattered, especially with the doom slayer lol

[violet lynx]

when is next doom game releasing

[frail bloom]

Smt baaaadd happened

[frail bloom]

Uhhh If we are to believe Hugo, maybe 5 years

[violet lynx]

@hard thistle why isn't doom 64 doom 3

[frail bloom]

He wants to make more

[violet lynx]

it would be a timeline after eternal right? cuz dark ages is mid

[hard thistle]

id Software did not allow Midway Games to use the "Doom 3" title because they were saving it for a potential revival of Doom, which they eventually did with Doom 3 in 2004.

[violet lynx]

doom 64 wasn't made by id?

[frail bloom]

No, they want to make more medieval prequels. I would predict a medieval trilogy. The next game is the civil war, and the game after that is the slayers rampage through hell mentioned in the testaments

[violet lynx]

thats so lame, they should of made those first i want to know what happens after eternalz prequals suck so much

[frail bloom]

Why?? Eternal ended its story arc, and those prequel events require much more resources and tech to properly econvey how epic they are. Idc if the preconceived notion is that prequels are lame, I thought tda wasn't lame at all

[delicate grotto]

Bro we just got one

Another 5 years at least

I’d expect more games following the Slayer Testaments. Likely a trilogy planned to cover the events between The War, the Unholy Crusade and the Slayer’s time in Hell until he gets entombed.

[hard thistle]

Doom 64 was developed by Midway Games, but it was sanctioned by id Software and id often supervised development to help out. They apparently really liked it.

[frail bloom]

He has no idea how epic a slayers testaments game would be

We would fight the biggest bosses

[violet lynx]

theres a reason people weren't asking when next doom game was when 2016 and eternal released but people are asking for next doom game right after dark ages released

[frail bloom]

Man that would be my favorite doom game

[frail bloom]

Bc people have low attention spans now and eat through everything, they don't savor nothing

[slender night]

You are the first person I've seen ask about it lmao

[violet lynx]

i dont understand why they couldn't make those games first so the story is a smooth sailing and not going into the future then the past

[frail bloom]

What are yu talking abt

"Smooth sailing"

[slender night]

I don't think the guy has like all that much of media experience if prequels seem batshit crazy to him

[violet lynx]

so its technically a spin off?

[delicate grotto]

Some of the most interesting lore bits happen before Doom 2016, though it’s fair to want answers about the 14 year gap between that game’s events and Eternal’s.

There was a comic in mind for it, Hugo mentioned he’d like to do it, though sadly that decision isn’t up to him. Who knows, maybe one day.

[hard thistle]

It was considered one for several years. The recent games have cemented it as an important mainline title.

[violet lynx]

i dont like when things start in future than go to past then skip to the future again, i would rather the time line start from year 0 then to eternal

it would be way more exictes

[slender night]

Prequels can help juicen up the story

[hard thistle]

Also they didn't have TDA's story in mind when they made 2016 lol?? That's nonsense. This isn't how people think of stories.

[violet lynx]

yeah but they should release the prequal first then eternal and 2016 would of been more interesting

[delicate grotto]

Can you imagine if Doom: TDA was the first game in this soft reboot series? People would seethe. id made the right choice with how they approached modern Doom. Eased the audience into its fantasy elements with cryptic lore in 2016, and brought it to the forefront in Eternal laying down the groundwork for TDA to tread on.

[frail bloom]

Exactly

[slender night]

It wouldn't have been more interesting lol, this is literally taking the interest out of it

[violet lynx]

why would people seethe

[slender night]

They're already seething

[violet lynx]

cuz the games ass?

[frail bloom]

We get it, yu don't like the game

I still don't know why but ok

[delicate grotto]

“ITS NOT DOOM!!!”
“Shield?”
“Alien race of medieval warriors?”
“Alien angelic creatures?”
“Cosmic realm?”

And the list goes on.
Eternal would face similar issues if not for the general hints 2016 gave.

[delicate grotto]

Nah just you

[violet lynx]

worse visuals, worse performance, guns feel worse to use, no chainsaw, barley any glory kills, maps are worse, lots of gimmics, only fun thing is parrying and people say THATS bad

[hard thistle]

The story would have been a lot less interesting if TDA came first. Half the appeal of the game is that it's depicting a world that 2016-Eternal only ever implied or showed the remnants of.

[violet lynx]

lots of people played eternal before wver playing 2016 and still loved it

[slender night]

Of course if they do that they'll like it, this is about people who have played the OGs first

[violet lynx]

yeah lots of people who played the og dooms but didn't play 2016 but played eternal loved eternal so much

[slender night]

Lots, but then you have the seethers

[fleet spruce]

Funny how Doom always had fantasy elements, and in Doom 3 you even get to use 2 powerful artifacts

[silver bobcat]

Trying to run this game on a laptop with an Rtx 3060, it seems that it's not reading the vram as 6, and so is disabling the Rtx, making the game super dark. However I found a fix online that spoofs your vram and enabled Rtx you just have to turn down graphics. Unfortunately it seems this has tanked my fps down to 5, does anyone know of another way to get rtx running on older hardware?

[frail bloom]

Worse visuals is crazy. Guns are much beefier so that's a yu problem. Idc abt worse preformance, it is still a GOOD preformance, yu have a chainsaw shield now which is cooler. Glory kills I get it but there is still 2 per demon so they are not gone. Maps being worse is subjective, and if gimmicks yu mean dragon and mech then ok but like a lot of people like them too

So ye game is not ass

[silver bobcat]

It's weird that I can get rtx working on eternal but not this game

[violet lynx]

how did u disable ray tracing?

[silver bobcat]

It turns off by itself if there's not enough vram

[hard thistle]

Listing "worse visuals," "no chainsaws," and "no glory kills" as reasons why TDA is bad should show you that Reapavon's messages are not worth engaging with.

[silver bobcat]

Makes the game very very dark, it's not built to not have rtx

[frail bloom]

Ye I agree

Back to drawing muh cherub

[silver bobcat]

But I should be able to have rtx on with my card, it runs eternal just fine

I mean it's literally an Rtx card

[violet lynx]

if you stand still and look at small details sure dark ages has more advanced graphics than eternal, but when you are actually playing the game properly eternal looks so much better and feels so much smoother

[frail bloom]

If yu mean style, then that is subjective, period

[delicate grotto]

Yes, new fans. I’m talking about the fans of the original games. They would seethe. And you kind of need those fans to boost the franchise’s popularity by word of mouth.
Doom 2016 did exactly this. Many original Doom fans loved it, many people new to Doom loved it. It struck a chord with its target audience through simple fun. Doom Eternal and Doom: The Dark Ages would have its fans, sure, but both are far too ambitious and confusing to start a soft reboot with.

[frail bloom]

Many people, I mean many, love the artstyle

Why am I engaging

[delicate grotto]

I fall for it too, man

[frail bloom]

Ugh, it's so easy huh

[violet lynx]

how did u spoof ur vram?

[tired rock]

Worse visuals is... what?

[silver bobcat]

It's just an optiscaler fix

[tired rock]

TDA had a worse visuals?

We're playing 2 different games atp

[violet lynx]

than eternal, it just looks more blurry

[frail bloom]

Probably your specs lol

[violet lynx]

can i spoof my vram to be bad?

[silver bobcat]

Why would you do that

[violet lynx]

to disable rtx slop

[silver bobcat]

You don't want to do that

Because the game doesn't have normal lighting.

[violet lynx]

i know thats fine

[tired rock]

I played both on PS5 so I don't face any hardware issue, TDA is looking way better already.

[silver bobcat]

You don't understand, the entire game will be dark. If there is not a direct light source in an area there will just be no light

[violet lynx]

is it playeble?

[silver bobcat]

The game is nonfunctional without rtx

[delicate grotto]

No. A lot of people making this claim have no basis to stand on. If it’s blurry, it’s your system, not the game. Period.
I play on PS5 and the graphics are no where near the quality you see on PC, but they’re still noticeably better than 2016 and Eternal.

Perhaps these people mean artstyle. They don’t like the artstyle. Boggles the mind, I think it has the best of the trilogy, with some sick demon designs, but art is subjective.

[silver bobcat]

No. You will not be able to see.

[delicate grotto]

So fair enough if you don’t like the art direction, but the graphical quality is a massive step up, objectively.

[silver bobcat]

Seeing is a rather important part of playing video games.

[violet lynx]

the textures look more blurry than eternal

[harsh egret]

The art direction in dark ages is by far the best imo

[violet lynx]

but lighting is good

[harsh egret]

How the hell can textures be more blurry than eternal lmao

[frail bloom]

And hopefully, this means that the next game won't have much higher specs, bc they already would've pushed raytracing 5 years prior

[violet lynx]

bruh why couldn't devs ad light source for poor people withlut rtx

[tired rock]

Eternal is the king of blurred texture lmao

[delicate grotto]

I’m gonna install Eternal again, take a screenshot of the texture mapping, and then I’m going to go into TDA and do the same.
And I’ll be fair about it. I’ll pick similar terrain.

[harsh egret]

Just wait until they announce forced path tracing, id laugh my ass off

[silver bobcat]

However if you really want to not be able to see the video game, you can send me your system and I can send you mine

[hard thistle]

Not really. You're just playing on shit hardware. Sorry.

[frail bloom]

No eternal has a lot of moments where textures are sloppily put together where it looks like a gmod game, prob your specs

[violet lynx]

but eterbal looks amazing tho snd feels smoother

[frail bloom]

What would path tracing do that raytracing can't

[covert goblet]

Is it weird I kept thinking about The Dark Ages when I went to see the live action "How to Train your dragon?"

[violet lynx]

there both slop

[hard thistle]

Yes. Again - you're playing on shit hardware that can run Eternal well but not TDA.

[delicate grotto]

Yeah hopefully. I think the game’s spec requirement is a detriment to its PC playerbase. I can imagine how many more players there would be if it was more accessible on PC.

[frail bloom]

I didn't ask yu

[harsh egret]

Bruh

[harsh egret]

Idk off the top of my head ngl, but theres improvements for sure in visuals, just insane downgrades in performance lol, u can look up comparisons for cyberpunk, theres many for it

[violet lynx]

whats a good upgrade from 3080 and 12600k then cuz im getting a new job soon because i got fired for "fooling around" in my last one

[delicate grotto]

Whenever I see someone use the word “slop” unironically it immediately tells me I shouldn’t pay any mind to them. Lol.

[harsh egret]

Yup

[silver bobcat]

Because that's another couple hundred hours of dev time

[frail bloom]

Yu gotta admit, they optimized this game masterfully for everything else, size of levels, mech segments, dragon segments, amount of visuals on screen, amount of enemies, level count, it goes on

[fleet spruce]

there's a huge difference between completely unoptimized piece of software utilizing RT and Doom The Dark Ages

[violet lynx]

alright but you gotta agree ray tracing and especially path tracing is kinda a gimic, you can have lighting that looks just as good without it

[harsh egret]

Another person who has no clue what they are talking about and does ZERO research.
Lol.

[hard thistle]

I run the game on a 4070 and 12700 just fine. If it's not your hardware then it's your settings. Game looks beautiful.

[silver bobcat]

Yeah well anyway before we got ray tracing complaints, any idea how to enable ray tracing on my Rtx 3060

It only has 6gb vram, and the vram spoofing trick killed my performance

[frail bloom]

Nope, maps too big for basic lighting to do the job, would take like 2 extra years for just lighting

[violet lynx]

i play all low but ultra n texutures and filtering, and 2x sharpness with dlss4

[violet lynx]

thats fine

[frail bloom]

What is your specs brochacho

[frail bloom]

But yu were here earlier asking for another doom game lol

Yu clearly would like them sooner rather than later

[tired rock]

Honestly, respect for TDA for having fairly a good size (90gb on PS5) compared to other western game and their shitty size even though it looks exactly the fuckin same since 4 years ago

call of duty

[slender night]

Samir I really like you but you constantly misspelling "you" is sad to see 😭

[violet lynx]

its kinda outdated it 5 years old, 3080 12600k

[frail bloom]

No I know how to spell it I'm just lazy, or dum. Kinda both lol

[slender night]

Lazy? How would not typing in o be of any help

[frail bloom]

Well I did tell you I was dumb

[tired rock]

Probably why I like console more, less specs fuckery to sweats about

[slender night]

Fair enough

[frail bloom]

@harsh egret I am drawing the cherub rn! So you might see it today, just had to say it lol

[harsh egret]

Hell yeah

[violet lynx]

well yeah but if it takes more time for it to be better i would rather that

[hard thistle]

all low except like two things
"b-b-but the game looks bad!!!"
Yeah I'm sorry but this guy's like actually a child. There's no way they're older than like 14. I can't engage with that anymore.

[graceful lion]

wait so ur telling me playing at shitty graphics will make the game look shitty?, what the fuck!?!

[frail bloom]

I ain't waiting that long. Raytracing does things that normal baked lighting can't. If you want to justify a tech push, than this is it. I agree, it's inaccessible for a lot of people, and that sucks, but you don't have to buy the game. Notice how I didn't say how tda is better than eternal, or eternal is better than 2016. Yu can enjoy one for years, and when you're able to, buy the next one

They are all excellent and sufficient games

[graceful lion]

unacceptable, i should be able to see the game the same way someone with 4 5090s does, 200 fps on 8k

[graceful lion]

i agree with this also, basically any RT capable gpu from 6 years ago (which is the majority of gpus) will be able to run the game

well, majority of RT gpus

theres maybe like 4 or 5 that are just shit gpus in general

[frail bloom]

Ye, and yu know, not everyone has the money to spend. And I understand, yu don't have to buy the game tho

[delicate grotto]

And it’ll take 20x longer, and it’ll be 5x more expensive.

[delicate grotto]

That’s true

[frail bloom]

How long do yu think, I thought abt 2 years, would it be more?

[graceful lion]

it also makes the game load slower

[graceful lion]

iirc the lead engine dev at id software said it wouldve taken YEARS more, like a magnitude more if they didnt use RT

[frail bloom]

Bruh

I ain't waiting that long😭 🙏

[graceful lion]

just becuase they have high end pcs doesnt mean baking lights is plug n play, baking lights takes a while to make and optimize

[delicate grotto]

Hyperbolic statement on my end, but yeah, I’d say at least 2 years.

[graceful lion]

especially for absolutely gigantic levels such as some of eternal's

[frail bloom]

Oh ok

[tired rock]

But ngl, the thing these game are consistent about are the stuff that happens in the background

[graceful lion]

and people are acting like raytracing cant be optimized, while it literally can

adding raytracing to any game would require optimization to raytracing, it is still lighting after all

[tired rock]

2016 was captivating, Eternal elevates it 2 steps ahead, and then TDA fucking ascends to another being with the bg

[hasty stone]

The next game will be fully path traced

[graceful lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrF4k6wJ-do

[graceful lion]

i dont think we're ready for forced path tracing yet, there is no use for it

[frail bloom]

Bro is trying to give me a heart attack

[hasty stone]

The lead gfx programmer said he'd like to see the next game fully path traced

[frail bloom]

WHEN

[graceful lion]

he'd like to see, not that it will happen

[hasty stone]

Ray tracing has been out for more then 10 years lol

[graceful lion]

the first raytracing demonstration was in 1968

[hasty stone]

Oh

[graceful lion]

so i feel like its time that we saw it in games

[hasty stone]

Ray tracing isn't the future, it's already here lol

[graceful lion]

true

[tired rock]

Exactly

[frail bloom]

Guys I don't believe they'll do that, raytracing was just to cut down time, and as a result it looks better. Path tracing is just not needed, does it take less time to implement than raytracing

?

[honest vortex]

I just can't see it. E3 and E4 sucked and E2 was like half bad and half good

The box maze and the Tom Hall maps from Episode 2 aere some of the lamest levels in all of Classic DOOM

[graceful lion]

it doesnt sound like it, becuase tda needed another update to add PT so they likely had to optimize that even further

so yeah RT will likely be the standard for awhile

[frail bloom]

Ye I believe so too

Cuz if not, oh man

[graceful lion]

takes time off devs, already mostly optimized from what i heard, and is jus really good in general

lets devs focus on optimizing the game, and making it better

[honest vortex]

Spirit World is my favorite level from the first two games I'll say it

[graceful lion]

blocked (jk idk what spirit world is)

[tired rock]

I never really cared about optimization until I downloaded MK1, shit was a simple fighting game with mediocre visuals yet it's 130gb.

What the fuck, dude?

[graceful lion]

fuckin what

[torn veldt]

Ooh a favorite topic of mine spotted

[graceful lion]

isnt all you do just pick a mission, not any kind of open worldedness?

[tired rock]

EXACTLY

You kill some dimwits, fuck off, ending, that's it

[mental grotto]

Just a matter of opinion then because e3 and e4 are some of my favorite episodes honestly

[torn veldt]

Take it from someone who played through cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing, it IS the future and its NIGHT AND DAY compared to any RT effect implemented with raster graphics. Yes RT can look really good too, but path tracing is something else man.

[frail bloom]

How much harder is it to run path tracing

[graceful lion]

RT also makes games load levels faster, and as i stated before, takes time off developers

[torn veldt]

Especially for detailed objects, lighting thats further away from the source, indirect lighting, character/skin lighting

[graceful lion]

so imagien if you took raytracing, and fed it cocaine

[torn veldt]

And shadowing of complex objects

[frail bloom]

Jeez

[graceful lion]

search up path tracing indiana jones, should give you an idea

[graceful lion]

nd that was on idtech 7 btw, the engine that eternal was on

[torn veldt]

In cyberpunk with rt psycho im getting 70fps average, with path tracing im getting 55fps average. However rt psycho is almost as close as path tracing, also my gpu is beefy. For example a 4060 gets around 70fps with rt ultra and 35fps with path tracing. For weaker gpus its more like going from 60fps down to 15fps

Cyberpunk is the only path traced game ive played so i use it as an example*

[frail bloom]

Makes sense for cyberpunk, but for doom? Idk man

[graceful lion]

could you see IJ videos for pt and see if the PT is comparable?

[torn veldt]

But if i go with lower RT settings its more like going from 110fps down to 55fps lol

[graceful lion]

killing demons in ultrarealistic light?, fuck yes

[frail bloom]

They already cut down time long enough

[frail bloom]

Do yu want 40 fps

I just can't imagine

[graceful lion]

well, i didnt say it was gonna be everyone's pie

[torn veldt]

Ive deen indiana jones and honestly their path tracing looks more real but i think thats also because of the setting

[graceful lion]

its not gonna be forced i dont think

[frail bloom]

Guys don't give them any ideas😭 🙏

[graceful lion]

the path tracing isnt forced, otherwise they will hav to heavily backtrack on their requirements board

[torn veldt]

Overall id credit cyberpunk only because it can be modded to look indistinguishable from real life. One time i confused a car video for a cyberpunk mod showcase lmao

[frail bloom]

For this game, I know. But do we really need pathtracing for the next doom game

[torn veldt]

Its the only game i know that with mods (assetto corsa too) cant tell from real life

[frail bloom]

Like, forced

[graceful lion]

again, its not gonna be forced, someone saying "i would like it to be" doesnt mean "it will be"

[frail bloom]

Sure hope so

[torn veldt]

We are a bit far from forced path tracing, though not as far as you might imagine.

[graceful lion]

just like some guy at rockstar hopes gta 6 will be 100 bucks, but it wont be 100 bucks

[torn veldt]

Maybe in 5 to 7 years we will start seeing some games forcing it

[frail bloom]

Not my precious doom game

[graceful lion]

and at that time 40-50 series is gonna be the thing everyone has

bc of those gpus being obsolete, since a new gen is made every 2 years

[torn veldt]

Why not? ID did a great job with TDA, id trust them implementing path tracing properly too

[frail bloom]

Hmmm how much would it be harder to run though, like what would the specs be

[graceful lion]

i think its mostly the price of a new gpu, which at that time u should be seeing 3080s as cheap as 1080s today

[frail bloom]

I was predicting that they wouldn't require much higher specs for the next game cuz they already forced raytracing

[torn veldt]

Well i have a 5070 and i run cyberpunk with dlss (real resolution under the hood is 720p for me) and i get anywhere from 50 to 70fps

[torn vector]

What resolution?

[torn veldt]

The problem comes when rt gets forced and these gpus only perform good enough for a playable experience. Then demand goes up, availability down, prices up.

[torn vector]

And what settings?

[torn veldt]

Base is 1080p though in a few days my 1440p oled is arriving so ill most likely go with a higher res and lower my settings (gonna play with rt psycho instead of path tracing)

At times in the distance the 720p pisses me off

Ill see if it looks better on the 1440p though i doubt it

[torn vector]

Try multi frame gen RT performance with this game is bad

[torn veldt]

Yep. Honestly maybe when the 60 series come out we will probably start seeing more rt enforced games

That hopefully are optimized to run properly on 40 series gpus too

[frail bloom]

Rt forced, sure, but path tracing. At least, not in doom, not yet

[torn vector]

I am on RTX 4070 performance is close to RTX 5070

[torn veldt]

I play with x2 framegen. 70fps average base and framegen feels 97% like native 140fps

I can play without it but i have a 144hz panel rn so its very worth it

I dont see any artifacts or smudging

[torn vector]

I have 3D v-cache CPU it's beast but temps are increasing with AMD stock cooler

[thorny rose]

I think a Serrat dark ride/roller coaster IRL would be great

[fierce sail]

stock cooler? What amd cpu is that?

[torn veldt]

The 5070 is 23% more powerful, its not clooooose but its close

[torn vector]

Ryzen 7 5700x3D

[fierce sail]

nice, so they had stock cooler in the past

[thorny rose]

Cause the Serrat levels in TDA already feel like a roller coaster

[supple canopy]

My biggest gripe with Doom TDA on second playthrough with pandemonium is lack of quick recovery. If you get super low in eternal - you can ice bomb+flame belch a bunch of fodder and quickly bounce back. In TDA you get low? Get fucked buddy. There is no way to quickly bounce back. And getting to execute a demon while fodder lobbing projectiles at you non-stop? Good luck

[torn veldt]

Yeah i never touch that kind of cooler. Bought a thermalright with some corsair fans. Never goes above 67C, 3Dv cache enabled too

[graceful lion]

you should never use stock coolers

[torn veldt]

7 7800x3d

[hard thistle]

I felt this was a plus, personally. More consequences for poor play.

[graceful lion]

i have a 5900x

[supple canopy]

Poor play of not evading 100 different projectiles?

[hard thistle]

Correct.

[torn vector]

You have liquid cooling?

[graceful lion]

nope, like a 28 dollar cooler, runs the cpu at around 88ish C in cinebench

very beefy cooler, its like 1.3kg

it's the UP2KC8

[torn veldt]

Why would you need a liquid cooler for a 5900x? You dont even need a liquid cooler for the 9 9800x3d

[tired rock]

Btw, would a laptop with RTX 4060, 32 gigs of DDR5 RAM, and Intel Core i7-13700HX processor runs TDA well?

[torn veldt]

Yes

[graceful lion]

just a good air cooler works

[tired rock]

I see. What's the absolute limit of the setting would it be?

[graceful lion]

well, they are mobile components, so alot weaker than the gpu equivalent, but it should run the game fine

[torn veldt]

I can only assume low/medium settings if you're doing 1440p WITH dlss

[torn vector]

With DLSS+frame gen it can run

[tired rock]

Yeah that make sense

[graceful lion]

search up "rtx 4060 mobile doom tda"

[torn vector]

@tired rock RTX 4060 mobile is weak

[torn veldt]

@tired rock what's your native resolution

[graceful lion]

no, not necissary, evne before release tda ran at around 100 fps with a 4050 laptop on low

[graceful lion]

1080p raw, no dlss or anything

[torn vector]

With DLSS to quality or without it?

[graceful lion]

native, no dlss

[tired rock]

1920 x 1080

[torn vector]

You have proof?

[tired rock]

I haven't got the exact laptop yet but still planning, and that's the exac specs of the laptop I'm gonna get this year lol

[graceful lion]

ill dm becuase vega will delete

[wild rose]

@hard thistle did argent energy make demons stronger? Just saw a dude saying demons were stronger in 16 and DE than in TDA bcs of that

[torn vector]

Sure

[graceful lion]

yeah, it did iirc

[hard thistle]

This is the implication, yes.

[wild rose]

But did all of them use it? What was the purpose of it? Keeping them alive? Like food? Or just to enhance?

[covert goblet]

So, just a general question for any architects in the chat: Is Argent D'nur just all gothic in design, or is there Norse mixed in with it?

[torn veldt]

Yeah you can do like dlss quality (it just looks better than native TAAl too but also extra performance) with low settings and im pretty sure you'll stay above 60fps (not high but like 70fps lets say)

[graceful lion]

alright nvm the 4050 doesnt do well, mainly becuase it has 4gb of vram to run which is literally half of what the devs recommend, but the 4060 mobile should run great

[torn veldt]

Its a rough assumption but i used to have a 2060 mobile laptop and i have a friend with a 4060 desktop so i can roughly assume how it will run

[hard thistle]

It is just a replacement for normal Essence, which flows through Hell and enhances demons. It's unclear if demons necessarily need Essence to survive, but the Essence is how they derive magic and power. Argent enhances the efficacy of Essence.

[wild rose]

And was it easier to produce than Essence?

[tired rock]

Ay, 60fps is very very good lol

[hard thistle]

With Nekravol, yes.

[tired rock]

Thx btw

[wild rose]

Damn dude is using this argument to say TDA Slayer isn't stronger he just looks like because demons are weaker without Argent

[hard thistle]

TDA's demons are likely weaker, yes, but the Slayer has already gone through the Divinity Machine by the time TDA happens. So he is a superhuman at this point.

[torn veldt]

They require a 2060 super for 60fps at 1080p native ofc you can run the game at 60fps with your laptop @tired rock

[tired rock]

Ah hell yeah that's good enough

[torn veldt]

For comparison the 2060 super is only 10% more powerful than your 4060 mobile so dont you worry

[tired rock]

👌