the-dark-ages

[pulsar granite]

*improvement opportunity

[whole mural]

Nah, explain the death screen if the slayer isn’t holding back

[graceful lion]

holy shit, im dealing with an idiot, im much better off blocking him

[whole mural]

Another one ☝️

[pulsar granite]

They're talking by your same logic mr assmongoloide fan

[graceful lion]

in that case every single character is immortal and cannot die, because they always respawn

[whole mural]

Racking up blocks like the slayers kill count

[vital rapids]

Sorry you're right
Having EVER seen the death screen sounds like a chance to grow as a person, improve, and not be a scrub.

[graceful lion]

how is it my same logic, what do you mean, i just said that the testaments are bullshit

[pulsar granite]

Assmongoloide

[graceful lion]

lmao

[pulsar granite]

Why is he called "Mongo" if he's not from Mongolia

[graceful lion]

how are they talking by my same logic, explain

[whole mural]

Explain explain explain

Source source source

[vital rapids]

Yes. Explain there being a game. You can't, can you?

[whole mural]

I played a mod that I made that says I’m right

Checkmate I win

[graceful lion]

by your logic every character is using 1/1000 of their power

[pulsar granite]

Aha

[whole mural]

For gameplay yes

[graceful lion]

ok that explains alot, you're a ragebaiter

[whole mural]

Gameplay is literally just gameplay

[vital rapids]

Even having combat gameplay is a lore violation tbh
He should just win

Because lore

[graceful lion]

im talking about the lore, the slayer's testaments are bullshit, in the lore.

[pulsar granite]

If he can destroy walls with his fists normally I'd say it's pretty clear he can do the same on demons

[whole mural]

Your not playing as lore slayer because if you were everything would just be dying from the slayer breathing

[graceful lion]

why didnt he just punch the icon of sin, is he stupid?

[whole mural]

Eternals punch doing nothing:

[vital rapids]

"Slayer is indestructible so no need for this game. Please mash space bar for UN achievement"

[pulsar granite]

Yes

[vital rapids]

Demons are only squishy because slayer, though

Demons are OP vs normie humans

[pulsar granite]

When chuck hit his head I stand up and applauded

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-charles-mcgill-fall-reverse-gif-21607615

[vital rapids]

Some normal humans can smash a wall. Demon still gonna feed them their own butthole

[pulsar granite]

If you talk about American walls yeah

Shits made of paper

[whole mural]

Slayer holding back against azrak is pretty clear, he gets the shit kicked out of him gets stabbed and as soon as his dragon dies he kicks the shit out of azrak while there’s a hole in him

[vital rapids]

Don't wanna swear so I will swap some letters around. Chuck fuck

[whole mural]

He literally underestimated azrak and his dragon died because of it

[pulsar granite]

If chuck knew he was feeling bad from the electromagnetic fields then why did he stay there? Is he stupid?

[vital rapids]

Lore violation

[pulsar granite]

Chuck is already rich he doesn't need more money

Also why didn't Ernesto call 911

[whole mural]

Oh no bro what did I do

[vital rapids]

Is complacency/underestimation holding back, or making mistakes?

[pulsar granite]

Start breaking bad channel

[whole mural]

Oh no it works

[pulsar granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418478500274765826/1378122791362101399/Copie_decran_20250530_232050.gif

[whole mural]

What have I done brooo

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-jimmy-mcgill-picmix-gif-7337094354533348129

[whole mural]

Sunlust brutal doom about to make me smash my pc

[pulsar granite]

Waut wait wait

[whole mural]

It works bro

[pulsar granite]

Bro is playing sunlust with brutal doom? Nahhhh

[whole mural]

Yes

[pulsar granite]

Makes shit like 10 times easier

[vital rapids]

Really though, Slayer is not infallible, and is not superman. He does have to fight to actually win.

And he can make mistakes

[whole mural]

tactical mode with 700% damage to player:

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-revenant-sekeleton-dancing-gif-15451777

[whole mural]

dead instatly

[pulsar granite]

Doesn't matter you gotta play it with the classic doom movement and weapons

[whole mural]

i did, im on level 11

[pulsar granite]

I see

[whole mural]

im just trying this

[pulsar granite]

I got kinda bored of sunlust as I got stuck and didn't know how to proceed

[vital rapids]

I wouldn't survive without the occasional jump to avoid acid in truth

[pulsar granite]

It wasn't what they promised me. It wasn't demon slaying all the time, scammers

[smoky reef]

Imma beat the game in all the difficulties just for fun ngl

[pulsar granite]

Aspiring slayer is hardest diff imo

[whole mural]

1 chaingunner bullet just did 80 damage

[pulsar granite]

Because TS TOO FUCKING BORING

[vital rapids]

Ohhh sunlust. I catch up eventually

[pulsar granite]

Improvement opportunity chat

[whole mural]

i didnt die though

[smoky reef]

Easiest difficulty is hard

Try to keep yourself playing 3h on that difficulty XD

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[smoky reef]

You've to be either passionate or a pain enjoyer

[dim gate]

I only play nightmare lol

Did first playthrough on nightmare and didnt make it past level 3 on ultra nightmare

[pulsar granite]

deltarune fucking sucks

[smoky reef]

I played ultraviolence

[dim gate]

Nice

[smoky reef]

First time then ultra nightmare

Wanted to get used to the mechanics before going for the challenge tbh

[dim gate]

Ah how did that go

[vital rapids]

Wow this Act Man guy really knows what he's talking about with TDA

Amazing opinions

[pulsar granite]

Who

[supple canopy]

I keep seeing this saying about the dark ages. That it is easy.
Okay, so a bit of context. I finished Eternal Campaign, TAG1 and TAG2 on ultra-nightmare. I am no novice to FPS or doom series. But nightmare the dark ages kicks my ass hard. Not always, some arenas are very easy. But like last third of the game? It kicks ass hard. Last chapter especially, especially optional gore nest encounter with double barons. Like, damn. It's not easy at all.

[vital rapids]

Some guy who has ripped off dark syde phil's lolcow bit

[whole mural]

@pulsar granite yeah this is unplayable

[smoky reef]

It was fun to play

[pulsar granite]

Who plays eternal in the big 25 💔 💔

[vital rapids]

Agreed, but if you use the settings you can make it harder

[dim gate]

Eternal is still a good game

[pulsar granite]

I played it so much I am bored of it

[whole mural]

im talking about sunlust on realisim brutal doom mode

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-matrix-gif-24739097

[whole mural]

unbeatable more like

[pulsar granite]

improvement opportunity

[smoky reef]

Good game to relieve your brain pain

[whole mural]

this is more like a impossible feat

people be contending for furthest level reached

not who beat it

[vital rapids]

Doom I good for this, too

[smoky reef]

I was referring to eternal

[dim gate]

Eternal and TDA are both amazing imo

[vital rapids]

I saw. Brain pain may not be the same thing, though
For me, switch off higher train of thought and immerse

[supple canopy]

Also why do people like Flail more than Gauntlet? I keep seeing clips on YT with people using Flail. But why? Gauntlet is the SSS tier weapon. Especially if fully upgraded. Full 4 hit combo shreds everything

[smoky reef]

2016 aged like wine

[pulsar granite]

I posted a screenshot of tda on a server and they started yapping about the low quality and said rather play eternal at this point 😭 😭 😭

[smoky reef]

Yeah it depends on the person

I should have said headache instead mb

[pulsar granite]

"you can see each individual pixel without zooming in"

[whole mural]

best music out of the 3

[vital rapids]

Flail is awesome fun to use
Also, almost completely removes chore farming by other means

[graceful lion]

evil opinion (same)

[smoky reef]

Mick was inspired

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/robbing-asmongold-house-me-finding-out-gif-16890099709542597840

[whole mural]

he mixed and polished the music in 2016, you can hear the terrible mix an quality in eternal

[pulsar granite]

How does one's house get that bad 😭

[supple canopy]

But still. 3 hit flail combo gives like 18 armor. Is it really worth it to take massive melee damage downgrade for a bit of armor?

[vital rapids]

I herd he dedicates his life to trying to be a C tier wow player

[graceful lion]

he stopped wow stuff iirc

[supple canopy]

I didn't even use flail for Ahzrak, just shredded bastard with the gauntlet.

[graceful lion]

like a while ago

[pulsar granite]

Who the fuck is a developer of water flux?

[vital rapids]

It depends on your play style I guess. For me it helps to get the constant dribble of armor, especially when there are groups around
Gauntlet and mace are great in their own ways too, when focusing killing power with melee

[vital rapids]

Probably for the best

[graceful lion]

yea

[pulsar granite]

Freaky ass gifs on discord

[graceful lion]

thats normal

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[pulsar granite]

Look up Fluxdev in gifs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418478500274765826/1378122791362101399/Copie_decran_20250530_232050.gif

[pulsar granite]

Smash

[smoky reef]

Gifs are powerful in this platform

You can literally get anything

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-lol-gel-berk-berk-berk-lol-gel-league-of-legends-gif-26567797

[smoky reef]

Literally this ^

[merry sapphire]

my Favorite boss fight is Enhanced Asscrack

side note thats such a boring ass name for his enhanced form why couldnt they call him like cosmic asscrack or some shit enhanced is just a boring boss name

[pulsar granite]

Who do you think we are, Hugo Martin?

[graceful lion]

not sure if cosmic would work either tbh

he is enhanced, not by a cosmic god, but by a low tier entity in the cosmic realm

[pulsar granite]

Low tier god

[merry sapphire]

wraith are NOT lowtier bruh

[graceful lion]

read what i said, they are considered low tier in the cosmic realm, a sacrificial goat

[merry sapphire]

literally most of the doom story is caused by wraith energy

[merry sapphire]

yea, NOT lowtier even in the cosmic realms

[pulsar granite]

Asscrack is lowtiergod no way

[merry sapphire]

id argue they rank just as high or higher than the old one

[graceful lion]

they literally are, it is said in the game, what do you mean

[merry sapphire]

wait ffs really

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[graceful lion]

you see tons of their bodies in the cosmic realm, they are clearly just sacrificial goats

[hard thistle]

source

[graceful lion]

the wraiths were afraid becuase they were constantly killed in the cosmic realm

[hard thistle]

source

[graceful lion]

which is why they got into an escape pod (world spear) and landed on argent dnur

[pulsar granite]

Bro pulling stuff out of his ass 🔥

[hard thistle]

I would believe u, with a source

[graceful lion]

how does that not make sense, their bodies are all over the floor in one of the levels

[merry sapphire]

it sounds like you Makin dis shit up Brah😭

[graceful lion]

before the altar, there are a bunch of their bodies

[hard thistle]

which level

[graceful lion]

m0no's explanation was the same

[graceful lion]

right before you get eaten by the old one

[hard thistle]

so the last part of that level

[pulsar granite]

I can't trust mono

[merry sapphire]

Yeah but thats a Theory brochacho, nothing explicitly states that

[graceful lion]

Temple of Lomarith

[merry sapphire]

we see dead dreadnaughts everywhere in doom but we know for a fact they cant die

[graceful lion]

sure, yeah, but still, it seems they are low tier beings in the cosmic realm

they were sacrificed to gods, such as the old one, in the cosmic realm

[pulsar granite]

Is the old one low tier

[graceful lion]

no hes likely high tier

[pulsar granite]

Then why is he so weak

[hard thistle]

yeah why did he fold so fast

[merry sapphire]

i doubt that unless it’s explicitly stated. you cant assume that based off dead bodies

never forget 3 wraiths were enough to power the entirety of hell in doom 2016

[hard thistle]

source?

[pulsar granite]

If the old one is high tier then why is his boss fight easier than asscrack? Hmm?

[merry sapphire]

thats cause asscrack is Built different

[pulsar granite]

Why is he called asscrack if his ass doesn't have a crack

This game is too unexplained

[merry sapphire]

also it wouldnt make sense for hell to try and covet the wraith’s power if they united with the cosmic realm cause why wouldnt they just suck out the old one’s energy instead of wraiths

[merry sapphire]

did you look

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/philosophy-academy-athens-art-raphael-gif-17399902

[pulsar granite]

Yes

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/atheist-pray-dear-god-imaginary-friend-gif-17049312

[graceful lion]

doomguy literally shot him in the heart

[pulsar granite]

Ts in the big 25 💀 💔

[graceful lion]

@hard thistle are wraiths low tier beings in the cosmic realm?, they seem to just be sacrificial goats if anything

[hard thistle]

good point shiv

[pulsar granite]

Isnt wraith that doom 3 enemy?

[hard thistle]

We have no clue. I would argue their corpses imply it but that's subjective.

[pulsar granite]

What the fuck is a wraith?

[graceful lion]

i see

[hard thistle]

space alien

[graceful lion]

the thing thats in thira

[pulsar granite]

Uhh

[hard thistle]

There are Doom 3 enemies called Wraiths, they are unrelated to the ones the modern games concern.

[pulsar granite]

Idk I don't play Doom for the story

[hard thistle]

so that's all it takes for a high tier being in the cosmic realm? pathetic

[hard thistle]

pause

[graceful lion]

high tier =/= invulnerable

[pulsar granite]

I swear if heart doesn't have protective then weak ahh

[graceful lion]

so true

[hard thistle]

I mean no matter how big and scary you are, losing your heart (or the equivalent) is gonna hurt.

Like I theorize, I don't think the Old One's body is what's scary. I think it's a god that manifests through different vessels.

[pulsar granite]

The old one ain't a god

A mortal god is automatically low tier god

And if he's old then shouldn't he be crippled I don't get this game man

[vital rapids]

I think wraiths are the big-ass robot things you use to kill the giant cow men when you're looking for the explodey baseball thing

[graceful lion]

he is literally a god, even wraiths are gods, as ahzrak says in the altar cutscene

seems tha not all "gods" in doom arent invulnerable, even the khan isnt considered a god eventhough she is invincible everywhere but urdak

[pulsar granite]

Nah god isn't real so old one isn't a god

[vital rapids]

ponders writing a completely wrong lore guide

[pulsar granite]

It's all fake shit the witch made up

[hard thistle]

so in doom verse gods are weaker the primevals

[pulsar granite]

Ahhhh mono

Do I ping him?

[vital rapids]

I think to get it sufficiently wrong you would need to consult someone who knows the lore inside out, to iron out any accuracies

[pulsar granite]

What are you talking about we never see the khan take damage outside of urdak so we can't know for sure if she's invulnerable or not

[hard thistle]

don't bait me bro

[graceful lion]

vega literally says that she is by all counts, invulnerable, when outside of her realm

[pulsar granite]

Source

[graceful lion]

play doom eternal, beat the first level

[pulsar granite]

Source

[hard thistle]

the first level

[pulsar granite]

Send me screenshot

[hard thistle]

wait I can send a video or something

[pulsar granite]

And the vega isn't accurate so we must ping M0no

[vital rapids]

Can't we read the lore guide for this? There's no need to punish people for curiosity

[pulsar granite]

Vega is just ai and we all know Ai is wrong

[graceful lion]

https://youtu.be/9RzBvpz4HIA?si=xSDkycORvOfTSSAS&t=2302

[pulsar granite]

Lemme bait you a bit

[graceful lion]

source :)

[pulsar granite]

But where's source of vega being accurate

[hard thistle]

https://youtu.be/DMoJ48Qrpjg?si=Q41GzeF4taqrCHFm

[pulsar granite]

Vega is always lying and shi

[hard thistle]

skip to 29:10

[graceful lion]

"but when outside of her domain, she is by all accounts, indestructible"

[pulsar granite]

Vega always spitting fake news

[hard thistle]

I mean ion know how Vega knows this shit but if doomguy trusts it, fuck it

[pulsar granite]

Don't belive everything g you read we all know religious books are correct

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-realayax-ayax-ayaz-gif-12587464080199064649

[vital rapids]

I think the last two words of this might be how doomguy views the story tbh

[uneven lintel]

its taking you guys way to long to notice this guy is just baiting responses

[vital rapids]

OK thanks for the info; Me rip and tear demons now?

[hard thistle]

it's taking u even more to figure out that we're playing along

[vital rapids]

Dude you broke our immersion

[pulsar granite]

Fuck you

[vital rapids]

I disagree

[pulsar granite]

Anyways when doomguy became a terrorist and shot everyone in the sentinel house with grenades I applauded Bravo Hugo

[vital rapids]

All the evidence points towards doomguy just being a mentaloid and there are no demons etc. But I guess we leave that alone because it gets much darker that way

[merry sapphire]

told You. no slander on my Goated Evil Ketamine aliens

[pulsar granite]

It's all his imagination and the demons are the government

[merry sapphire]

@uneven lintel oh man thats gotta be embarrassing

[vital rapids]

He's Punisher with a twist.
Which makes the unicorn skin much scarier

[pulsar granite]

And then at the end it's revealed that novik thira and valen are all a metaphor for communism

[vital rapids]

And the final boss was actually just a lamppost

[merry sapphire]

why didnt she fight doomguy outside of urdak then is she stupid

[pulsar granite]

Yeah @graceful lion

[hard thistle]

yes

[graceful lion]

she underestimated him

[pulsar granite]

Aha fidget wrong 🖕

[merry sapphire]

classic case

[graceful lion]

he was not a big halt on their plans until later

[merry sapphire]

hey hey no Need for the Evil finger man

[hard thistle]

she's known him for eons and what he is capable of

[graceful lion]

where she said "you go too far this time"

[pulsar granite]

Then why did she try to stop him since the start huh you stupid

[graceful lion]

wtf man thats evil im calling the cops

[pulsar granite]

Nooooo la polizia nooooo

https://tenor.com/view/ai-meme-memes-memer-brainrot-gif-10308560127019642276

[merry sapphire]

yeah @graceful lion

[merry sapphire]

fuck ass gif 💔

[pulsar granite]

Aha fidget always wrung

[vital rapids]

Thira is clearly being lined up for the next game
Perhaps a genius twist at the start of the new game Alien 3 style - doomguy gets killed off screen and we get some Girl Power! 🌈

[pulsar granite]

Thats confirmed bro

[merry sapphire]

thira gon die a horrible ass death

[pulsar granite]

Thira gonna be jumped by lehuerk and die

[vital rapids]

Ass death is always horrible

[pulsar granite]

We all know the villain next will be lehuerk and kill everyone

[merry sapphire]

like in the most brutal way possible that people would think idsoftware is misogynistic and sexist

[pulsar granite]

And in the end it will be revealed he was Kanye west

[merry sapphire]

man Who tf is Le Huerk

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-sesame-street-yellow-beak-bird-gif-5513048

[pulsar granite]

The next villain

Lehuerk means the one I fucked in Arabic don't ask how I know

[merry sapphire]

Man who Tf is LeHuerk

[merry sapphire]

no it doesnt

[pulsar granite]

Ye it does yuh huh

[hard thistle]

doomguy in dlc is gonna die from a golf club n then we play as thira trying to get revenge

[merry sapphire]

who ever told you that Made that shit up Bruh 😭

[pulsar granite]

Nooooo 😭 😭

My life is a lie

[merry sapphire]

it doesnt mean anything in arabic LMAO

[pulsar granite]

Moroccan Arabic btw

[merry sapphire]

actually maybe idk moroccan arab make some fuck ass words sometimes

[pulsar granite]

Shit like tabon mok zebi

Thank God I'm not from that country

[merry sapphire]

only word i recognize is the last one LMAO

Moroccan got the funniest insults

[merry sapphire]

@graceful lion what do you think Fidget

[merry sapphire]

@graceful lion Thoughts?

[hard thistle]

@merry sapphire at ease bro

[graceful lion]

could you guys stop pinging me?

[hard thistle]

If there is anything in this series that could be relatively considered a god the Old One's a pretty damn good choice.

[wispy parrot]

was here any update on the green wolf being added

[graceful lion]

i think its either in progress or cancelled

[pulsar granite]

@graceful lion why

[pulsar granite]

Why even ask thoughts 💀

[shy epoch]

Am I the only one having problems with signing in my Xbox to my Bethesda account?

[graceful lion]

ironic

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mewing-mewing-meme-think-thinking-gif-8986451654826218658

[shy epoch]

Oh yes this answers my question

[pulsar granite]

Thanks

Chat half life 2 rtx froze my pc 🥶

[fleet spruce]

you should be feeling the realistic fire effects by now

[pulsar granite]

can we stop saying fire about intensive games that's unrealistic

It should be all ice since it freezes

🥶 🥶

[fleet spruce]

I cast RTXplosion

[pulsar granite]

Thomas Slebew

🥶

[plain tartan]

Doom: The Dark Ages is a video game for PC, PS5 and Xbox Series.

[long sparrow]

I have seen many people struggling with it, yeah

[pulsar granite]

🥶 🥶

[plain tartan]

It releases May 15th, 2025.

Pre order now and get the pre-order bonus.

[pulsar granite]

What day is it 🥶

[plain tartan]

Doom: The Dark Ages is developed by Id Software.

[split gate]

What Ages is the game focused on again?

[pulsar granite]

What engine does it use again?

Oh and what genre is it?

🥶

[pulsar granite]

Definetely the cold ages 🥶

[plain tartan]

Engine: Doom: The Dark Ages is powered by id Tech 8, the newest in-house engine from id Software, designed for current-gen hardware with full ray-tracing, path tracing, advanced physics, and destructible environments .

Genre: It’s a first-person shooter (FPS), set in a dark fantasy/sci-fi medieval world. It's strictly single-player, focusing on grounded, melee-heavy Doom-style combat—complete with parry mechanics, mounts like dragons and mechs, glory kills, and strategic encounters .

[pulsar granite]

Ew ray tracing 🥶

https://tenor.com/view/not-everyone-has-an-iphone-gif-7021079305409267183

[night marsh]

Raytracing Incompatible GPU. A GPU with hardware raytracing capabilities and at least 8GB of dedicated VRAM is required to launch the game.
This is what I get when I load the game can anyone help
AMD Radon RX 580 2048sp 8GB
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core Processor
64 GB RAM
Win 11 64Bit
thanks

[pulsar granite]

I see that lucas

[pulsar granite]

You can launch the game on those specs

[plain tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cursed-stare-boring-gif-16992557675434731222

[pulsar granite]

Using rt emulation on linux, but on windows you get that error because your gpu doesn't support hardware rt

[night marsh]

It will not do it

[pulsar granite]

"can anyone help" refuses help

🥶

[plain tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/cold-emoji-true-has-consumed-you-gif-18277424905637083093

[vital rapids]

Use Linux and it will

[night marsh]

will see thanks

[pulsar granite]

It's a bit more complicated than that

[vital rapids]

Kiryu's your dude to ask about this

[pulsar granite]

I think you need latest kernel and drivers and add some launch options into steam

[night marsh]

Will I have to use linux as a immolator

[pulsar granite]

What?

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[pulsar granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn6-xSYsN4I anyways this video is the game running on your exact specs to give an idea of the performance

[night marsh]

I'm confused at what to do

[pulsar granite]

You need to install linux (preferrably a rolling release distro with latest gpu drivers) and add launch parameters for the game in steam

[night marsh]

I cannot get passed the first load bit

[pulsar granite]

It's because the game needs ray tracing and your gpu doesn't support it

[wooden dirge]

when exit path tracing?

[winged blade]

when do yall think the game will go on sale

[pulsar granite]

I don't think it will

[winged blade]

:(

[placid rock]

[split gate]

You know, the more I play this game, the more I realise the hate it gets is undeserved. It’s so freaking fun.

[placid rock]

fr its just good

[split gate]

Like when you get the whole discourse in social media out of your head and play it for what it is, I understand why id is saying its their best game

[pulsar granite]

Wait this game is getting backlash? 🥶

[placid rock]

well i dont consider it the best due to it still not having as much content 2016 had, its really good but its so far just the campaign and a few unlockables thats it

[placid rock]

yes a lot

[pulsar granite]

Damn I've been living under a rock

[vital rapids]

I consider it the best modern Doom for sure

[split gate]

What haters should do is quit social media even for a few days and just enjoy it for what it is, I guaran-fucking-tee they’ll see it differently.

[placid rock]

too many people didnt watch any of the devs vids on how this game was gonna be so they just expected eternal 2

[split gate]

I have people who aren’t into the Doom franchise as much, like roommates and they think it’s fantastic

[hard thistle]

Second best modern Doom IMO.

[placid rock]

ill call it the best campaign for doom for me, still needs more to be the overall best for me

[split gate]

Yeah replaying the campaign all together feels so fun, more than replaying a single mission imo

[vital rapids]

A lot of people who are into the franchise like it, too. It's closer to the classic doom games because of things like the big areas/enemy counts, dodgable projectiles all over the place, continuous flow of combat without lots of synced animations, less emphasis on catching air during combat

[split gate]

The progression and how you gain upgrades, it all adds up to the experience

[placid rock]

gameplay i have to say is the best as well tbh

tho i do still like to have the glory kills every now and then lol i enjoyed those when i first played 2016

[split gate]

Yep, I keep forgetting that the game is just praised by the general community overall, yet the comments are so skewed to the negative

[pulsar granite]

Fr this game is the best modern doom

Graphics 10/10, story 9/10, gameplay 10/10

[split gate]

10/10 and 9/10 across the board, it’s actually a really good game as usual

Social media is crazy chat

[placid rock]

discord counts as social media X3

[pulsar granite]

Social media complains about everything chat

[split gate]

True but YT, Twitter, and everything else I mean, where most of the discourse is

[random quail]

So other than YouTubers. Anyone finished on Ultra nightmare without putting the sliders down?

[placid rock]

yeah

[split gate]

Oh I’m working on that haha, it’s a bit of a process

[placid rock]

did it on my second playthrough after i beat it on ultra violence

[random quail]

Yeah i finished Ultra violence and testing the waters.

You aiming on 100% completion? Or just running through the levels?

[placid rock]

im wroking on the mastery missions to get the 100%

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/not-everyone-has-an-iphone-gif-7021079305409267183

[split gate]

Good stuff, I’m on Pandemonium atm, just finished Chapter 11, in chapter 10, I got glitched into a hole and I spent 15 min trying to get out of it through using the slow motion thing the shield has

I thought my run was about to end right there

[placid rock]

where is a hole you can get stuck in what??

[random quail]

Any guides turned on like for enemy placement?

[placid rock]

i explore a lot and im suprised i dont know which hole you mean

[split gate]

It was a random area, I didn’t even know how, it was a small crevice besides the broken down Atlan that I’m pretty sure you can’t access by normal means but somehow I did

[pulsar granite]

HOLY SHIT ITS SYNCED PERFECTLY

[vital rapids]

I've found a few holes, mostly early on, and all exitable except one

[split gate]

I was fuming

[placid rock]

ok then, weird

[random quail]

Oh shit I know what you mean I got stuck there too! But managed to get out

[split gate]

There is no original experience it seems 😭

I thought I was the only one

[random quail]

In hell with the destroyed atlan level where you climb on him. That part.

[placid rock]

glory taken away so cruely lol

[pulsar granite]

Whose hole was it? Thira???

[split gate]

Yep and then I learned that the slow motion was the savior

Painstaking 15 min trek out

I could not jump to save my ass

[random quail]

I was there for a half a min then managed to hop out.

[split gate]

Looks like I got the short end of the stick, I had to go deeper down the crevice and come out from another end

I had no lives left, that was my last one, I was actually tweaking fr

The Ancient Gods answered I suppose

[split gate]

The one the game devs left to do a little trolling - Source: I made it up

[random quail]

Oh Ultra still has lives eh?

[split gate]

Pandemonium brother

[random quail]

Or we can just watch and copy that speed runner lol

[split gate]

As much as I want to, I’m stubborn and want to figure it out myself even if I do it inefficiently 😭

But yeah, this game is peak, once you master the flow state, it all just clicked for me

[limber laurel]

anyone know the official way to report bugs?

[pulsar granite]

KDE KDE KDE

Bruh

Who want a glass of wine

[wispy parrot]

Hopefully delayed, it’s such a cool mechanic i hope it makes it

[split gate]

Guys Theomachy got me crip walking, the riffs 💯

[pulsar granite]

What even is the green wolf

Also

[tired rock]

People nowadays has an opinion that are based from their streamers opinion that they drysuck everyday

[wild rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1381657852401291345/Screenshot_2025-06-09-12-32-57-209_com.instagram.android.jpg?ex=684850a5&is=6846ff25&hm=4501e43c9211ddab66950ebc042fbf73e20a4155b04de723bb942f26d8c89176&

Let me see if I got it right, they can port Eternal's Slayer into skate game but they can't put this skin into The Dark Ages?

[tired rock]

Like... Asmon viewers

[split gate]

Yep. Never ever take someone seriously who bases their own opinion from a Youtuber or anyone other than themselves

[graceful lion]

true

[lilac swan]

at some point they will release it

[wild rose]

Why is it taking so long tho? Shouldn't it be easy to do?

[lilac swan]

They have to make the skin for the zombie slayer too, and it's not the same model that is used from eternal

[wild rose]

They already made this one bro

[wild rose]

Actually, the zombie skin already exists in every color they have made

[lilac swan]

The zombie slayer has his armor broken

[pulsar granite]

Shut the fuck up assmongoloide

[lilac swan]

Because it's a recolor

[wild rose]

I know, it's in the mission 20

[graceful lion]

what

[wild rose]

What's there to be made?

[pulsar granite]

Chat boycott modern mutliplayer fps games and let's all play quake deathmatch

[lilac swan]

They have to make the broken armor a new model too, not just a recolor

[split gate]

I yearn for the day we have the UT glory days back

[meager vortex]

next month update new event coming i heard

[wild rose]

Oh I understood what you meant now

[pulsar granite]

Only multplayer fps games worth are id software old games in deathmatch mode

[graceful lion]

theres a raytracing update coming this month iirc

[pulsar granite]

As if anyone asked for ray tracing

[graceful lion]

a new gamemode that makes parrying alot harder

[meager vortex]

path tracing?

[graceful lion]

didnt hear about a new event tho

[pulsar granite]

Are we getting multiplayer

[graceful lion]

no, that would take literal years

[wild rose]

@lilac swan so you think they'll remake every skin in a zombie version?

[pulsar granite]

Eternal didn't initially have battlemode tho

[wild rose]

It was just an idea Hugo had, not something official he's planning to do

[graceful lion]

oh, i see

[wild rose]

It's just one of those ideas that randomly come to him during stream

[meager vortex]

no id said they focus campaign

[pulsar granite]

Modern id kinda lame

[graceful lion]

fr

[pulsar granite]

(no more open source games) 😭

[graceful lion]

i dont think their games were open source?

[lilac swan]

Yes, but in Eternal there was already a zombie version of the Slayer, so I don't think it would be a problem, what might take a while is other skins, like the classic marine

[pulsar granite]

All games before idtech5 were

[graceful lion]

huh, really

[pulsar granite]

Well, they became open source later

[graceful lion]

i see

[stoic sleet]

Why does bethesda publish good games instead of a mediocre skyrim ripoff???????

[meager vortex]

tda is idtech8

[pulsar granite]

So what

[graceful lion]

so fucked up, we need slop in the slop bucket

[wild rose]

I wonder if they'll remain the zombie Slayer exclusive to that level

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[lilac swan]

Maybe, I would like to play the whole game with his zombie skin

[pulsar granite]

Now I gotta check if that's real

[wild rose]

A capeless TDA Slayer would be fun as well. Crazy how the game doesn't even have it

[pulsar granite]

Anyways why the fuck is splitgate 2 getting backlash for the "make fps great again hat"? Like I get that the game is ass and it contradicts what it was saying but it has nothing to do with politics

[meager vortex]

i think skins for slayer it will change dlc

[pulsar granite]

Skins rn are all just recolors

[meager vortex]

true but its good

[wild rose]

I'm still bummed how Eternal in the pandemic released with all those skins and TDA had just recolors

[pulsar granite]

I want tung sahur slayer skin

[meager vortex]

?

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tungtung-tungtungtung-sahur-tungtungtungsahur-tungtungsahur-gif-6699270143817937548

[wild rose]

While it they just released a patriotic Slayer in Eternal right now 💀

[pulsar granite]

I am starting to suspect they made the models impossible to change in the engine

[graceful lion]

that sounds like a dumb idea from every angle

[pulsar granite]

Then why hasn't id talked about the engine much compared to the previous ones, hmm?

https://tenor.com/view/not-everyone-has-an-iphone-gif-7021079305409267183

[wild rose]

Ngl this is epic
https://youtu.be/WHQZp1td-qI?si=yIrPvgi7ZyiWA03c

[pulsar granite]

I cant post bob the skeleton

[pulsar granite]

Why do people even play with this

[wild rose]

It looks cool

[pulsar granite]

Hard to understand

What is doom eldern ring now?

[supple canopy]

People didn't joke that Doom:TDA feels radically different on second playthrough. Like damn. I am doing Pandemonium run after clearing on nightmare and it feels wild. Like playing the different game for the first time.

[spiral yew]

Bruh who's side should I be on
Dark Ages good Dark ages bad AAAAAAAA

[wild rose]

I just wanted to see the Zombie Slayer in 3rd person

[pulsar granite]

Dark ages good, only a regard would say it's bad

[stoic sleet]

The dark ages is probably the worst fps considered “good” this is because it isnt doom eternal

[pulsar granite]

Doom eternal shill

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-eternal-night-sentinels-doon-gif-12594970713074372149

[supple canopy]

I elaborate a bit more. First pinky rider right? I struggled against him the first time. Now, I killed him and didn't even sweat. Same for arena after, with pinky rider and a bunch fodder. Just pure light speed blasting

[pulsar granite]

Improvement opportunity

[stoic sleet]

“When you play a game differently, better and with chanhed settings it feels very different”

[pulsar granite]

Holy shit no way 🥶

[tranquil moss]

modern doom fans when met with any shooter slower than eternal

[supple canopy]

Pandemonium is just nightmare with strict respawn mode, no?

[stoic sleet]

I was mocking them lol

[tranquil moss]

k

[pulsar granite]

Omg no way my fps game is slower than doom eternal!!!!! 0/10 woke bullshit doom the woke ages waaaaa

Game for noobs thats why slow waaaaa!!!!! difficulty sliders woke!!! waaaaa!!!!

[tranquil moss]

game has a strong female character oh my god its so woke!!!!!!!!! 0/10 doom is turning woke!!!!!!!!

[stoic sleet]

Omg an actual empowering badass woman wahhhhhh woke game how dare they not make men the dominant better species and make the woman sad and pathetic wahhhh

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-goodness-gracious-doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-thira-gif-14544958189392515884

[graceful lion]

wahhh woke game wahhh empowering woman done right wahhh

[wild rose]

Is this lore accurate @hard thistle lol
https://youtu.be/HUqorbzqWng?si=krKAi97AztW_qDHl

[obtuse oyster]

Pandemonium 50% complete

[rocky badger]

Pr0nouns 🫃

[graceful lion]

fr

[obtuse oyster]

WOKE WHY WOKE me hate WOKE ARGHHHH

DO NOT 🫃 ME RAGGGHH

[sonic turret]

How do you guys typically deal with the Cyberdemon in Siege, just before killing the Mancubus leader? I feel like I'm taking way too long to kill him. 🤔🤷

[hasty stone]

How come when I party a mancubus I die with a full shield

It seems the party is extremely tight I'm on ultraviolence

[obtuse oyster]

you mean parry?

[hasty stone]

Party*

Perry**

[obtuse oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-gif-27527731

[tranquil moss]

autocorrect can be disabled in your keyboard settings (usually in the corner of the keyboard)

[hasty stone]

Yeah sorry it seems I can't even do it fast enough I already have 30 hours in the game and the new update made it way way tighter or something..

[tired rock]

Synthetic Man ass video title

[hasty stone]

Like I can't stop it

Guess I'll have to test it maybe my shield isn't strong enough yet ..

It brakes too early and I die lol

[obtuse oyster]

pandemonium I'm on mission 12 now
I got 3/3 lives

[hasty stone]

Nice job

I die too much so I won't be playing that mode lol

[vital rapids]

You can soften him up with a few impaler headshots from the cover over where the right hand mancubus was, although I mean the wall/corner not the mancubus box because he will hitscan right through that. This makes the fight quicker.

[vital rapids]

Personally I don't like to close to these unless they have a shield saw in 'em. Life's too short to get stung by a mancubus.

[mild ocean]

if possible would anyone be able to send me the code for the verdant slayer skin? my code just doesnt work and my friend doesnt even see the verdant slayer on the NVIDIA app. i dont like to be asking people but i also really want that slayer outfit and if anyone does actually do this just send the code to redeem the skin in my dms please.

[covert goblet]

What shield rune do you usually use?

Cuz if you're parrying close quarters, ground fissure or auto turret work best on mancubus. (from distance, use heaven splitter or holy storm.)

[obtuse oyster]

mfw the most bullshit ass fucking death

you ever had this shit happened where you cant throw a shield you cant shield charge and in general everything feels so fucking shit

they want us to use all the tools we have but they added all these restrictions pick a lane devs

[covert goblet]

Some bugs here and there. But they're kind of rare. (For me at least.)

[hasty stone]

@covert goblet have no runes let for me new playthrough

[covert goblet]

Ah.
Any upgrades to shield?

[delicate grotto]

Tip: Wait for the green to flash then throw up your shield. For the Manc, it flashes exactly when he makes contact with the ground. If you’re still getting hit, it’s likely a bug. What game speed are you on? A lot of the parry-able ground attacks have an issue going through the shield when you get a perfect parry in. On higher game speeds this becomes even more common.

[hasty stone]

Just 1 upgrade so far

100%

Yeah I'm doing it exactly the right time...before the update it was way easier to parry now I keep missing them..

[covert goblet]

highly recommend upgrade shield first (or at least as top priority for upgrades).

[covert goblet]

Did you see if your parry window setting reset after the update?

[hasty stone]

I've been adjusting it..

[delicate grotto]

Interesting. Try increasing your parry window first to test it out, then gradually tighten it.
Like I said, ground attacks will sometimes damage you even when you parry them perfectly. If you get the parry in a little early it’ll block it.

[hasty stone]

I'll have to try again after work and see if it's a glitch or just me but it's way harder to parry with the new update

[delicate grotto]

All in all, better to steer clear of ground attacks. They’re the most inconsistent attacks to parry tbh. Don’t have much of a choice with Battle Knights or Cyberdemons but they’re usually fine.

[twilit pumice]

Still remember how he threw a fit over the unisex restrooms in deadspace remake

[covert goblet]

what you can do as well is sometimes focus on enemies that have pariable attacks without hell surges, like hell knights.

[delicate grotto]

Lmfao. What a clown.

[covert goblet]

(Again, not always, but sometimes I just sat in fights with hell knights, and it helped me get the hang of parrying.)

[covert goblet]

Funny thing is they existed in the original.
They just didn't say "unisex."

[twilit pumice]

And the dumb motherfucker thinks it's woke, when really it's not.
You're on a mining rig, you're gonna find unisex restrooms on board

[dusk robin]

I have a theory about the ending of Doom the Dark Ages and the DLCs

[arctic dome]

Anyone else having the bug on Pandemonium that extra lives collected during previous save file do not spawn?

Because of this my every second pandemonium run is essentially an ultranightmare run..

[idle valve]

question. when i play on fullscreen i get some black afterimages on objects. doesnt happen on windowed mode. 240hz display. any ideas how to fix it?

[twilit pumice]

I know on Ultra Violence when I was learning the game, there'll be times where I'll let myself intentionally get hit to learn.

[sonic turret]

I hadn't tried attacking from cover, usually I tend to spam the Meleé over a and over, but it just seems to bounce off of him. It literally takes one mistimed parry for him to end me and I have to start over.

[foggy breach]

AHH, I NEED A CARTOON BOXING GLOVE GUN FOR THE CHAINSHOT.

[sonic turret]

I'd go for Hellboy's hand of Doom. I think it was on the right hand side, right? 🤔🤷

[wild rose]

I had forgotten those existed
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1381689440669536377/19755c693f740-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=68486e11&is=68471c91&hm=e8f0dbae36a1ca3268a55f8d531251136462be6897a50ef0745416208c56e920&

[wild rose]

@hard thistle does it mean the Slayer got the Praetor suit before he was trapped in hell? I thought he had gotten it after they were betrayed and his fellow sentinels died on hell and he went on a rampage, then later on he'd get the suit from the Wretch

[hard thistle]

Not necessarily. It has no bearing on the timeline, since these are just statues. They were made (presumably) around the same time but that doesn't mean they're depicting the same time.

[wild rose]

Also who made those statues lol?

[hard thistle]

It's possible the Slayer got the Praetor Suit before the Betrayal, but that's more made possible by TDA's ending than this.

[wild rose]

What does TDA have to do with the Praetor suit?

[wild rose]

I mean, someone recorded the Slayer in his heroic journey with the Sentinels when using it. It doesn't make sense if they were made after the Sentinels were dead

[hard thistle]

Testaments imply the rampage in Hell (which the Wretch thing happens during) happens after the Betrayal.
TDA confirms that the Slayer's rampage began before the Betrayal, and was interspersed with the Slayer returning to Argent D'Nur to help them. Because of this it's now possible the Wretch thing happened before the Betrayal rather than after.

[smoky reef]

Is there any chance to have the dragon revive again? Ik it's not on the lore but I suppose the can add new stuff to it while following it

[slim crypt]

maybe feed it carrots idk

[hard thistle]

I doubt they would do that, it's definitely meant to be an impactful and important moment.

[wild rose]

When we talk about his Rampage don't we mean the time after he was betrayed and didn't do anything other than killing demons for eons until the coffin?

[smoky reef]

Yeah like the rabbit death

It wouldn't make sense thinking about it ngl

[hard thistle]

We're talking generally about the period where the Slayer, alone, wrecked shit in Hell. The previous understanding was this correlates to him being trapped in Hell after the Betrayal but TDA tells us he began that rampage before the Betrayal.

[smoky reef]

Btw correct me if I'm wrong, in tda the Khan mayker is the same one that we see on eternal right?

[foggy breach]

Yes.

[hard thistle]

Correct, yes.

[wild rose]

Technically wasn't he rampaging when looking for Azrath on that level he uses an abandoned Atlan?

[smoky reef]

Alright alright

[hard thistle]

Eternal's Khan has been given indefinite control of the throne thanks to the Transfiguration, so she has been around for a very long time.

[hard thistle]

That's an isolated level, though. The Testaments are pointing to an era where he did this, and only this, for a very long time.

TDA revealed that whole thing the Testaments pointed to began before the Betrayal, the Slayer just occasionally went back to Argent D'Nur to help them.

[wild rose]

You think he did this for a very long time in the TDA ending? The events are so tight I don't think he spent many years there

[hard thistle]

No, I'm saying that very long time began with TDA's ending.

[smoky reef]

I remember seeing it somewhere, also is she's already collaborating with the demons to get the argent energy on TDA?

[wild rose]

So in the end the Praetor suit might have coexisted with the Night Sentinels

[hard thistle]

Yes.

[placid rock]

thats how it was explained in 2016 as he was seen using that suit due to a statue being made of him in the suit in samuel haydens office it looked ancitent as hell

[wild rose]

Also is this image canon?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1381692900378939542/Night_Sentinels_Ending.jpg?ex=6848714a&is=68471fca&hm=95f518b4a5a6a5a4ff90ce292d59fc871835ba7b785f4f107456f498461cdbf8&

[wild rose]

I just sent that photo here lol

[hard thistle]

Not necessarily. TDA implies that the pact hasn't happened yet but the Kreed's deal with Ahzrak was sanctioned by the Khan and paved the way for Nekravol.

[wild rose]

I always thought it was fan made stuff but I remembered it actually appears in 2016 ending lol

[smoky reef]

Got it

[hard thistle]

I would say no. They're just doing montages of cool shit for the credits.

Besides, 2016's usage of those designs seems to have been partially retconned or at least shifted.

[placid rock]

techically it would be cause he used that suit when fighting with those specifically armored sentinels

[lilac swan]

Could there be a chance for him to get the praetor suit in the DLC?

[hard thistle]

Sure, yeah.

[wild rose]

I always found this image so cursed. For example it has a 022 written there, probably from the time the Slayer was just a super soldier in the early development in the game, but here we see him during Sentinel times with it, and as far as I know Sentinels didn't use our numbers

[wild rose]

Wdym? Just because the Sentinels have a different armor from TDA?

[placid rock]

the suit wasnt made by sentinels it was made by the wretch and slayer

[hard thistle]

Consider that with the current context in mind, the numbers and shit on the Praetor Suit are likely because it was forged from scrap. From manufactured Sentinel materials.

[lilac swan]

its D22

[hard thistle]

This is why I partially believe Valen could be the Wretch.

[placid rock]

i doubt it cause they even named him betrayer in the lore

[smoky reef]

I remember that if you had the old slayer skin in eternal you could see the scratches on his arm from the demon

[hard thistle]

Well, yeah, but also because 2016 implies those are Night Sentinels, whereas Eternal and TDA establish that specific armor was worn by normal Sentinel soldiers. Night Sentinels like Valen and Marok wore unique, faceless armor in Eternal and TDA.

[wild rose]

Okay but why are Earthly numbers written on it if it was made before current civilization on Earth existed? Or it implies Sentinels used our same numeric system?

[lilac swan]

And I remember hugo saying he put D22 on the suit because he thought it was cool

[wild rose]

Because in TDA and Eternal we mostly see Sentinels using just some weird symbols @hard thistle

[placid rock]

it wasnt made by sentinels!!

[wild rose]

I know, but so it implies hell already used our numeric systems there lol?

[hard thistle]

The Sentinels probably were meant to use that before they later used different symbols to denote Sentinel text.

[placid rock]

from the lore it talks about a specific DEMON called the wretch who is the creator of the preator suit

[hard thistle]

The Praetor Suit is definitely made of Sentinel pieces though. The chest port and various design structures deliberately reference Sentinel armor.

[placid rock]

oh definitely

[hard thistle]

The Wretch is not specifically stated to be a demon.

I like the idea of the Wretch being a demon, but we don't get enough info to confirm that.

And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time, the Hell Walker found the wretch who shall not be named, but in his heresy was loyal to his evil cause. The wretch adorned the Doom Slayer in a mighty armor, wrought in the forges of Hell, impenetrable and unyielding.

[wild rose]

Idk that 22 always put me off. It's something you'd see in a Halo armor, not on Slayer's. It always reminds me D16 was just going to be a super soldier like Halo

[wild rose]

Wait he isn't?

[placid rock]

couldved sworn somewhere i saw he was refered as a demon

[wild rose]

What does "loyal to his evil cause" mean?

[placid rock]

im guessing he was uac

[wild rose]

Can't be. Timeline doesn't connect. Praetor came millions of years before UAC

[placid rock]

like that be the only way for the preator suit to match up is if the wretch was a demon that once was a uac engineer or at least a engineer who know how to make the same tech as uac!

[wild rose]

Remember hells has lots of tech and smart asses who build stuff

[lilac swan]

the UAC already existed, I just think it's unlikely that it's someone from UAC

[hard thistle]

Hell considers the Wretch to be evil to their cause.

[placid rock]

cause if you read the lore about the preator suit it talks about its technology inside it like they already know who built it and how

[wild rose]

So the Wretch is loyal to hell?

But he helped the Slayer?

[placid rock]

not loyal at all

[hard thistle]

No, Hell calls the Wretch evil like how we call Hell evil.

[placid rock]

also pretty sure wretch would be a branding demon name to put onto something that did something bad

[wild rose]

I really think it didn't. The Slayer's time on hell/Sentinels was millions of years before Earth. Unless most of those times he was fighting and then he just spent a decade or a centenary in the sarcophagus

[placid rock]

like a rank lower than 1

[lilac swan]

yes, since it is a demonic voice telling the slayer testaments

[hard thistle]

There is a lot of evidence to suggest it is Valen.

[wild rose]

Wait hell actually thinks who opposes them are "evil" lmao?

[foggy breach]

How.

[vital rapids]

Common demonic/satanic theme, moral inversion. You maybe can't avoid it if you depict something hell-like and start talking about what hell "thinks"

[lilac swan]

TDA takes place long after the events of classic DOOM and 64, and the UAC already existed

[wild rose]

So we can be sure the Wretch is a good guy, demon or not. I almost thought he could be a gray character who did something for the Slayer as a favor or something but wasn't fully on his side

[wild rose]

Oh you're talking about the original UAC

[wild rose]

I always thought they were fully conscious they were evil lol

[placid rock]

valen is the one who betrayed everyone after his son died it makes no sense for him to be the wretch since no one ever calls him that or anything related to that, futhermore it would make less sense he did it because it would contradict what hell believes to be evil cause in that moment if valen did it hell wouldnt view him as evil cause he is already against them, when they refer to the wretch they call him evil as in it is someone from their own lands

evil in their own home

[hard thistle]

You're misunderstanding what "Wretch" would mean in this case.

[wild rose]

It's also weird because he's already referenced as the Betrayer in D16

[lilac swan]

it's the same UAC since before

[placid rock]

exactly so why would there be two names for one character that did we only know did one thing

[hard thistle]

• Hell calls those who betray their own to help them insulting names such as "infidels." Despite their help, Hell insults and denegrates those who would betray their own kind. "Wretch" is akin to this.
• Valen's area in Exultia is a cave with a big vat of lava, filled with forged weapons, barrels of materials, and a smithing table. The Testament says that the Praetor Suit was forged in Hell.
• Valen's chosen weapon, the Sentinel Hammer, evokes imagery of a blacksmith.
• The Praetor Suit is 100% of Sentinel origin, and the numbers indicate it is made from unconventional materials.

[wild rose]

Is wretch written with a lowercase w or capital like a name?

[wild rose]

It'd make sense if it's a lowercase wretch

[placid rock]

preator suit is not made by sentinels 💀 good lord its a entirely different technology from the sentinels just by visual

[hard thistle]

They could have just written Valen to be a vagabond on Argent D'Nur exiled in a desert or something. But they deliberately had him exiled to the place the Praetor Suit was made in, gave him a bunch of forge/blacksmith shit, and then made sure to keep detailing Sentinel armor to look like the Praetor Suit.

[foggy breach]

I honestly don't believe in that theory.

[wild rose]

Good to know Praetor is Sentinel tech

I always found it weird the idea it was some demonic armor

[placid rock]

ITS NOT

[hard thistle]

The visuals outright confirm that the Praetor Suit is Sentinel in origin. You can argue a non-Sentinel made the suit but it objectively is made from Sentinel materials and tech.

[placid rock]

is INSPIRED by sentinel tech

[hard thistle]

Wrong. It is Sentinel tech. You can tell just by looking at it. Many parts of the suit look identical to TDA's suit.

[wild rose]

@hard thistle ?

[placid rock]

but the tech in is is completely not sentinel CAUSE IT USED DEMON RUNES WHEN IT FIRST BOOTS UP

[foggy breach]

[wild rose]

Demon runes are just argent energy in the end of the day

[wild rose]

But green somehow

[lilac swan]

For me it doesn't make sense for it to be sentinel either, since it doesn't look like the sentinel's templar armors. And it looks like it was just based on the slayer's old armor

[halcyon siren]

about to do a doom stream

idk how to put it on discord though

[wild rose]

I mean it fits the aesthetic of TDA Sentinel more technological armors

[placid rock]

i agree it definitely has taken inspiration to integrate that armor to work with sentinel stuff but i cant believ it was valen or any sentinel due to how the armor looks

[vital rapids]

Share in #videos I guess @halcyon siren

[hard thistle]

It functions exactly as his other suits. It looks exactly like Sentinel tech. It functions like it. It's Sentinel tech.

[placid rock]

HOW DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT EXACTLY LIKE WHAT!?!?

[wild rose]

I don't really think it looks out of place

[foggy breach]

Only a theory and not the exact answer as it doesn't tell who the Wretch is exactly so we really don't know at all.

[wild rose]

It kinda fits with them

[placid rock]

litterally different as one is MEDIEVAL ARMOR and the other is SCI FI BALLISTIC ARMOR

[vital rapids]

Please forgive the ping @hard thistle I wonder if you'd shed some light, please: are the Doom novels consistent with the lore, to your knowledge?

[placid rock]

i read only one of those tbh i dont have any of the others

i want to read more

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381698943846711347/latest.png?ex=684876ea&is=6847256a&hm=8ffa277729002c80e9363605b65ab23ec512ceee35fe2a83d3c74e8201cd2a0b&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381699079855276063/image.png?ex=6848770b&is=6847258b&hm=3da4573b0d6215f133d4e227e0d1f8aae32dc94c417982185eb471884878e72d&
Same chest-piece. Same port on the left breast. Same ridged, horizontally-lined ab armor akin to classic Doom. Same orange/yellow band along the right shoulder.
That chest port on the left breast is consistent across Night Sentinel armor. So is the orange band on the right shoulder. Valen has that shit too, the Marauders have the chest port as well.

You are genuinely in denial if you cannot see that these come from the same source.

[halcyon siren]

i dont have nitro and no fb links so i cant share it lol thats lame

[hard thistle]

There are small differences but the 2016 Praetor Suit is blatantly made from Sentinel armor. Arguing otherwise is asinine.

[placid rock]

its not denial i just have better eye than you apparently when it comes to design to know those two are two different styles

[hard thistle]

To my knowledge they are not. The demons in those books are aliens pretending to be demons.

[halcyon siren]

absolutly no comparison between the armor you are right

[hard thistle]

The same fucking chest port shows up on both of them, the same chest port that shows up on half the Night Sentinel armor we see in the series. That alone proves my point, much less the same abdomen, right shoulder, same overall chest piece.

[vital rapids]

Ah, thank you. Is this not the case with the current lore, then? Everything I see tends towards this idea so far. Convergent with (for whatever reason) but not the same as the spiritual/afterlife concepts, and really worldly

[foggy breach]

I mean there is no correct answer as it's unknown on who made the praetor suit and on which materials were used.

[hard thistle]

It is, in fact, known that it was made from Sentinel armor.

[foggy breach]

That's what you think, not everyone is gonna agree.

[hard thistle]

This is what is blatant from the design. It's not what I think, it's what the game is outright telling you. Denying it and chalking it up to different opinions doesn't actually make it different opinions. It makes it one guy listening to the actual game and the other guy ignoring the game because it contradicts their headcanon.

[placid rock]

if you want to look at just the BASIC SHAPE then yes it follows the same design BUT ITS NOT THE SAME ARMOR its even smaller than the tda!! like there are clear differences to why these arent the same OVERALL

[vital rapids]

Could it have been made to be consistent with/replace the armor the slayer had as much as possible? It looks like a high tech spin on the same thing

[lilac swan]

And I think the praetor suit was used before they invented the game's lore, since in trailers, instead of the slayer's mark on the helmet, there was a number written "F-90" suggesting that doomguy would just be a regular marine instead of the slayer

[hard thistle]

"I know those are different!" is a bullshit argument. I am showing you how the Sentinel armor we see across the series was deliberately made to resemble the Praetor Suit, to indicate that there is a common element between them (Sentinel origin). There objectively are several design elements that are meant to tie the 2016 Praetor Suit to Sentinel origin. "Nuh uh!" doesn't change that.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381700746529210398/latest.png?ex=68487898&is=68472718&hm=e9835f87ad7c4aa1c67ab0f3825dd1e9255a39e03a1e013c4c8cf8ce9dfb5d8e&
Even the Marauders have this same chest port.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381700945171316776/commander-valen-the-betrayer-game-v0-crv3hbdsa0v91.png?ex=684878c8&is=68472748&hm=506a0a5e820bc8c4a5dcac6e462a55db2e82eb665fe0554935434c11e32f87d0&
Guess who else has that chest port? Valen. A Night Sentinel. Just like the Marauders.

[placid rock]

GOOD LORD i can count so many things that are different with the fucking suits it is not hard to see!

[vital rapids]

Doesn't the marine doomguy start out with essentially similar armor as a marine, though?

[hard thistle]

Okay well VEGA deleted my link but Marok has that same chest port too.

[placid rock]

just saying "oh they have the same ports" DOESNT MEAN ITS ALL THE EXACT SAME

[hard thistle]

Do you understand how these are not the same things? The Sentinels explicitly have many different kinds of armor. Just in TDA alone we see like three different kinds of Sentinel armor. You pointing out differences does not disprove me, because I'm saying the Praetor Suit is Sentinel armor, not that it's the exact armor every other Sentinel had.

The existence of several persistent, constant design elements linking the Praetor Suit to the Sentinels blatantly tells you it's made from Sentinel armor. You finding minute things to differentiate it does not change that, all it says is it's unique Sentinel armor.

[vital rapids]

They look like a mix of sentinel tech and human tech

With the purely human tech being the initial armor

[placid rock]

just because you believe its entirely sentinel doesnt make it true at all

[hard thistle]

That chest port alone is used to indicate notable Sentinel armor. It's not present on classic armor, it's not present in Doom 3 armor, it's not present on ARC armor either.

[lilac swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124902242705752186/1381701587625312517/vlcsnap-2018-05-05-17h27m44s161.png.8407fb14dbe68239b8bae51e771bcea7.png?ex=68487961&is=684727e1&hm=f90da32ce01bba056b6e702a87d5376d65cfaffe195832f360772c5884808844&

[hard thistle]

It is consistently present on Sentinel armor.

[foggy breach]

I wouldn't doubt that it has some human origins other than Sentinel materials being in the majority.

[hard thistle]

"Just because you believe the Earth is round doesn't make it true at all." See how I also can just frame a blatant truth as a baseless opinion?

[placid rock]

thats what i was saying that i agree that it took inspiration and tech from it but i never saw it as the same suit

[vital rapids]

It's like he got a sentinel version of his original marine armor, like it was suped up and ceremonialized. And the subsequent armor is maybe another evolution of the concept, perhaps made/re-made with more human tech again. With the Sentinel armor elements/tech included in the design

This is how it seems visually, and how it makes sense chronologically for me

[hard thistle]

This is a blatant, deliberate design decision heavily implying that the Praetor Suit comes from the same design choices that made other Sentinel armor. They constantly bring back details from the Praetor Suit for Night Sentinel armor and they always make those details virtually identical to the Praetor Suit. The blatant implication is that the Praetor Suit was made from Sentinel armor. You can make of that what you want or say an Imp put together Sentinel pieces or something. But that objectively is a Sentinel chestpiece.

[vital rapids]

Does my view of it above make any sense to you?

[hard thistle]

I'm sure its similarities to the classic armor have purpose, but I do personally believe the 2016 suit is essentially a scrap suit cobbled together from Sentinel pieces of armor and tech.

[lilac swan]

Your point of view makes more sense to me

[foggy breach]

I agree on the human and Sentinel tech.

[placid rock]

quite literally no one here is forced to believe you so at this point im just walking away before i get too angry and hooked in on it, rather not deal with people who just insert a way being rude just because someone doesnt want to believe you

[hard thistle]

You were being quite rude too lol, don't act like I am the only one being passionate about my position here.

[vital rapids]

I think it's just a discussion, and a potentially interesting one

[hard thistle]

You are allowed to believe whatever you want, and I am allowed to tell you what you believe is wrong, especially when you were the one intent on arguing with me first. Get real.

[foggy breach]

🍿

[placid rock]

you interjected with everyone with your opinions and was rude about it like it was a crime that we werent believing

[hard thistle]

No. I offered my thoughts and you disagreed with them, and you vocalized this first, inviting discussion.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381704233820360855/image.png?ex=68487bd8&is=68472a58&hm=d6d272495dd85227199921a8634c8f9094353525f255f2f2b97909e8deccdd2f&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381704299213750322/image.png?ex=68487be7&is=68472a67&hm=06e1729c522c589961362506ee0a017e6ab2b5e064e2b9e089a4993bc6e19792&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381704466633330890/image.png?ex=68487c0f&is=68472a8f&hm=ab66505acfe069028ad65e0273820ea3d679e1be1065dea52d0f9e09dbe82a6c&

[fleet spruce]

Precisely, you don't even need to be super smart to understand that - it's painfully obvious and present at all times

[hard thistle]

You can disagree with me all you want, that is awesome and I'm cool with that. But you invited debate by offering disagreement, just as I invite debate when I tell someone else I think they are wrong.

[graceful lion]

humans in the uac could not figure out where the fuck the 2016 praetor suit was from, no?

[placid rock]

yeah that was just a discussion at first and it was relatively calm its only when you kept raking in on the fact the the suits were the same then you start to get rude to everyone on how they look the same

[foggy breach]

I mean that's the internet

[graceful lion]

they absolutely are both made by sentinels, no doubt about it

[wild rose]

I've been mentioning this since the beginning of the talk, that's also the reason why he has a 22 in the shoulder 😭

[placid rock]

THISSSSS

[hard thistle]

I was matching your energy - you were responding to my messages trying to correct me and acting like I'm insane for pointing out blatant design similarities. You don't get to act so incredulous at other people's opinions and then get butthurt when they're blunt about said opinions.

[wild rose]

Every Sentinel who doesn't use regular armor does, the higher ranks

[hard thistle]

Also yeah this is correct. But they cemented the connection to the Sentinels by deliberately, explicitly copying several design elements of the Praetor Suit when designing Valen, the Marauders, and Marok.

[wild rose]

?

[placid rock]

i actually wasnt?? i was more confused than anything in the beginning

[placid rock]

agreeing with you

[hard thistle]

The Praetor Suit was originally super soldier BS. But they changed the lore and then in Eternal they added shit recontextualizing the Praetor Suit as Sentinel tech. Easy as.

[wild rose]

They just forgot to remove the D22 in the shoulder lmao

[foggy breach]

What does D22 mean?

[placid rock]

doommarine 22?

[wild rose]

Nothing in the actual lore

I really think they forgot to erase it 💀
Not even Eternal suit has numbers as far as I remember

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381705748060569730/image.png?ex=68487d41&is=68472bc1&hm=708f5f98643ecdc0c9d37fd238d6b5037c63ab6bf1434d7ae9b25efc79064280&
Respectfully this is not innocent confusion, it is treating someone like they are stupid by deliberately simplifying what they're saying (ignoring both of them are sci-fi suits.)
My issue is not that you treated me like I'm stupid. But I do not think it is in good faith to do this and then get mad when someone tells you you're in denial.

[wild rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1381705819191775422/196d9eff1c553-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=68487d52&is=68472bd2&hm=14d92671b0642c893ba6780ceac880331bf4e831191e40ae07d2535e3ff5ae16&
Just a reminder this is what the regular high guard Sentinel looks like. It's basically Praetor but more knight like

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-2-silent-hill-james-sunderland-morgan-freeman-true-gif-2707173468969572016

[placid rock]

you dont see the question marks?? cause thats my litteral confusion

[graceful lion]

we also see this armor in tda, there are likely sentinels who wore it in eternal's time too, we just dont see them i dont think

[foggy breach]

I just wonder who's the Wretch?

[vital rapids]

Yeah- if you encountered the Slayer and suped up his space marine armor when your tech looks like this, you get his sentinel armor

[placid rock]

thats what started all of this💀

[wild rose]

The thing is they aren't supposed to be 100% the same but just have common traits bro. 2016 looks like Valen's suit as much as the Eternal suit does

[graceful lion]

we dont know, its a betrayer to the demons

[wild rose]

What?

[foggy breach]

Or we won't find out until another game reveals on who made it.

[graceful lion]

next game

[vital rapids]

I think they essentially remade his original marine armor with their tech

[placid rock]

i do understand that i EVEN SAID I AGREED with the similarities i did say that i also said that i just dont agree with the idea its both sentinel

[wild rose]

This is literally from TDA's art book 💀

But they do appear in TAG 2 (not sure if it's 100% the same design)

[remote mural]

I got Game Pass! Now I can play DOOM TDA on my dad's computer!

[graceful lion]

it is also said in eternal that this is the armor used for trainers or something in eternal, so its likely used then too

[foggy breach]

I think that they show more skin in Eternal.

[wild rose]

Not really. You're confusing

[wild rose]

I mean
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1381706793050443858/196f03c136f56-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=68487e3a&is=68472cba&hm=8691cae3d221b5a93708c2fe2245ac14870ab6545ead1b1009233319ce5c368d&

[wild rose]

In TDA the commanders are the ones who use this armor

[slender night]

I like how this suit uses a more Quake-style helmet

[graceful lion]

yeah, thats who, forgot their name ig

[snow hound]

Hi

[foggy breach]

I wonder what happened to Doomguy's original armor?
Is it locked up in Argent D'Nur somewhere?

[wild rose]

They're the Marauders basically

[placid rock]

classic?

[foggy breach]

Yes.

[hard thistle]

Oh what the fuck. This fucking bot.

[snow hound]

Does anyone know if there is a doom tag on discord that I could use?

[gloomy ridge]

join the doom tag discord server

[graceful lion]

oh yeah arent they night sentinel warriors, which are seperate from normal sentinels, which is why they have an axe and stuff

[snow hound]

How can I find it?

[placid rock]

the clasic shows up in eternal in one of the unlockable rooms so maybe they brought it there after the dark ages

[gloomy ridge]

ill send u invite 1 sec

[foggy breach]

Wait, would it technically be the 64 skin chronologically or?

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1381707261864444035/latest.png?ex=68487eaa&is=68472d2a&hm=966f7598328a762b3e11a99e21aa9e4647b2584a688ee703096d3b5d795f21cc&
I'm not typing all of that out again.
Grug caveman speak: See this armor? 2016 say Night Sentinel have this armor. Eternal and TDA retcon and say this armor for commoner soldier. Then deliberately give Night Sentinel Praetor-looking armor. Because they made with Slayer Night Sentinel ties in mind, unlike 2016.

[hard thistle]

Yes. They just chose the classic armor because it's more recognizable.

[wild rose]

Crazy how they're supposed to use knight weapons then in TDA they just use rifles 💀

[wild rose]

Where's this pic from tho?

[snow hound]

Yay now I have the doom tag

[smoky reef]

This is actually wild

[foggy breach]

I hope we get a sharp weapon as a melee in the dlc if possible.

[hard thistle]

It's on the Doom wiki.

[snow hound]

Is the mask from ur pfp yours irl?

[hard thistle]

It's mainly normal Sentinels using rifles. Sentinel tech was exponentially strengthened by the discovery of Hell's Essence, but the elite Night Sentinels did not partake in it and continued using their own weapons, hence Valen's hammer and all that.

[snow hound]

Did u make it or did u buy it from bethesda's site?

[wild rose]

Yes

[graceful lion]

i see, so the elites were loyal to their shit and didnt wanna trust hell stuff

[wild rose]

Shit. I liked more the 2016 armors for Night Sentinels. They had more this crusade look

[graceful lion]

because we all know what happens when they trusted hell stuff
cough cough marauders cough cough

[wild rose]

So @hard thistle we can be sure no elite use that white armor?

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-chaos-sorcerer-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-thousand-sons-flaming-sword-gif-16742614

[hard thistle]

No, you actually can't be sure. I'm saying this because you can assume, but TDA muddles things because it never actually mentions the Night Sentinels. Rather, it just calls everyone Sentinels and briefly mentions Valen being of an "elite order."

[wild rose]

Also I don't like the commander Sentinels because they're basically future Marauders. Their armor isn't as sympathetic as the white one

[wild rose]

Does Eternal mention Night Sentinels again or just Sentinels?

[graceful lion]

eternal implied sentinels and night sentinels are different

[lilac swan]

And wasn't he supposed to be in the Doom 64 suit?

[graceful lion]

i mean the armor he got is likely better, considerably so

[foggy breach]

Yeah, I guess they made it into the one from 1993 to be more recognizable.

[graceful lion]

the praetor suit let him take falls from really large distances, also have built in impact resistance

[wild rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799305298044387361/1381708997782147254/196d9eff9a394-screenshotUrl.jpg?ex=68488047&is=68472ec7&hm=46636557738b0ce7109aee6feafef36146dc2914a68795c517b65e0c2c537c93&

Also this armor is different from 2016 version and this already existed in 2016 as concept art, so we can presume the white ones are elite and the silver ones regular soldiers, in the future at least

[lilac swan]

No, when he was found by the sentinels

[graceful lion]

oh, at that point yeah

and even when training with the sentinels he was wearing his armor, as shown in eternal's codex

[lilac swan]

I think this is just a remodel

[snow hound]

Guys, mick gordon made both doom 2016 and doom eternal's entire soundtrack?

[wild rose]

What do you think @hard thistle ?

[frail bloom]

The white ones were the elite crusaders

Is my theory, orrrrr

Design change

Dunno, could be possible tho

[snow hound]

I accidentally sent it before finishing the sentance

[graceful lion]

2016 adn eternal, not tag 1 and 2

tag 1 and 2 were a mix of andrew hulshult and uhhhh, some other guy i forgot his name

[snow hound]

I really like the menu song from doom eternal, what's it called?

[frail bloom]

DAVID LEVY

GET IT RIGHT

[graceful lion]

SORRY

[frail bloom]

Thank yu🌸

[graceful lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WnP1wKxW4M

[vital rapids]

Guys I found David Levy

[frail bloom]

Idk opening to hell ig

[snow hound]

such a good song holy fuck

[slender night]

It's a remix of Opening to Hell yeah, but the actual song has no official name

[frail bloom]

Oh

[graceful lion]

tho this song is not the exact same beucase of copyright

[vital rapids]

Well, I guess it's Doom Eternal Main Theme

[graceful lion]

and also id treating mick like a sick dog so we only have remixes of his music now

[slender night]

That name isn't official

[snow hound]

Yeah I get it

wait this song was in doom 2 aswell?

Can I send links in here?

[slender night]

Yeah it's the final level theme; it was originally meant to be the DOOM 1993 title screen theme

[snow hound]

I only have doom 2016 and doom eternal and I cracked doom 1993 on my phone, should I buy them on my pc?

[hard thistle]

IMO a remodel, either out-of-universe or in-universe.

[slender night]

They're already included in DOOM Eternal

[snow hound]

wait what?

[slender night]

They're in the Fortress of Doom, in Doomguy's room

[snow hound]

no way

on the pc with the code?

[slender night]

Yes

[snow hound]

what's the code tho?

[vital rapids]

Ngl I consider that version of the theme (cf At Doom's Gate) kind of terrible.
Hot take I know

[slender night]

FLYNNTAGGART. That's to unlock DOOM II. To unlock DOOM 1993 you need to find every cheat code

[snow hound]

to find them? I need to do some research

[hard thistle]

Eternal should have used Into Sandy's City as its motif and intro/outro instead of forcing At Doom's Gate again. Stupid

[frail bloom]

Marty

It was most likely him

[slender night]

I've spoken my mind about this a few days ago, I don't think taking out Into Sandy's City from the ending was too unwarranted but I would've preferred they use it elsewhere and not reuse At Doom's Gate instead

[snow hound]

Oh God

[frail bloom]

I thought the demo mick made was unfinished tho, it can fit it needed time in the oven

Which they didn't allow

[wild rose]

I have really mixed feelings towards him, he was a jerk with Mick in Eternal but he's part of the reason those games are amazing and he was the sole director of 2016 my beloved game

[snow hound]

Why is doom 1 harder to unlock then doom 2 😭

[slender night]

Because it's the more important game, aside from mods

[frail bloom]

Ehhh in a bright world, he would admit fault, pay what mick is legally owed and move on. We don't need mick back. But they are doing the whole, "oh, if we don't even mention it, they'll forget!" Which is scummy

[slender night]

You can just extract the WAD from the game files and stick it into a source port if you'd like

[delicate grotto]

Anyone know if killing all the Hell Fighters count towards gold progression? I’m not talking about the challenges, just killing them in general. Missing 5 pieces of gold on Spire of Nerathul, driving me nuts.

I’ve replayed this mission 4 times, getting softlocked twice. I’m a bit tired of going through it lol

[wild rose]

Yes, I just don't know if it's right to say "he should been gone" just like many do, because he may have his value in the franchise

[wild rose]

Maybe they're extra, but almost sure they aren't obligatory to gold progression

[frail bloom]

Ye he shouldn't be gone but he sucks and I dislike him

[snow hound]

Guys please remind me why I thought it was a good idea to play my second run on doom eternal on ultra nightmare?

[frail bloom]

No bravery or valor, he's scummy

[slender night]

I can definitely see disliking him but admiring his work. Willits was allegedly a total troll but his work is undeniably good

[vital rapids]

I think we can't know what has really transpired.

There is such a thing as the party in the right deciding to nope out of the drama, but who really knows

[wild rose]

But even in 2016 I've heard more stuff Hugo has done than him. Like Hugo literally carried the lore of the game on his back. He created the Slayer's slogan

[slender night]

Slayer's slogan?

[wild rose]

The beginning phrase of 2016

[slender night]

I don't remember what that is

[frail bloom]

No I lean towards mick bc he has like a 1000 pg document and all martys team had was a document saying that they would provide evidence but where did that go huh

[hard thistle]

It was way unwarranted. If it were my choice cutting that from Eternal would have violated a serious crime. Like the Geneva Convention or something.

Into Sandy's City was the best song in Doom II and they refused to use it for Eternal's theme? Lame.

[slender night]

I disagree, I think the complaint of it being too gamey wasn't extreme

[hard thistle]

I mean it's a game.

[frail bloom]

It would've changed tho, it wasn't the final product

[slender night]

In a cinematic ending

[frail bloom]

It was a pitch idea

[vital rapids]

Eternal seems entirely gamey to me. To the extent it's not a criticism to say so, it visibly embraced gameyness

[hard thistle]

Eternal is a very gamey game. Floating weapon pickups and colorful demon designs and shit were fine but an awesome melody for the end scene is too gamey?

[slender night]

Yeah but when you try to have a cinematic ending you don't NEED to have gamey music all in your ears. Does a serious scene in a comedy movie need clown music just cuz it's comedy?

[slender night]

I'm talking about the version we got to hear, I'm sure it could've been tweaked to sound better, but the version we got to hear isn't very fitting imo. It's a great tune to listen to tho

[frail bloom]

If he got rid of the harpsichord it would've worked

Again pitch idea that was refused

[hard thistle]

My counterpoint is Eternal's ending was very abrupt and weird and not very cinematic. So the least they could've done was give it a cool song.

[wild rose]

"they're rage, brutal..."

[slender night]

I disagree with it being not cinematic, I think the zoomout shot and the narration in the background made it more serious than most of the game

[slender night]

Rip and tear? That was already in the DOOM comic, and 2016 isn't the first time it was used in-game, even. The "...until it is done" part is new but idk if I'd say that's enough to say he created the slogan

[hard thistle]

At Doom's Gate was a great choice for 2016 but I think using it in Eternal and TAG got old. I would've preferred Sandy's City for Eternal and, uh, some other song reference for TAG.

[frail bloom]

I can't find a gif with kreed, how will I describe marty now

[hard thistle]

Use a pic of Erebus instead.

[slender night]

And this is something I agree with

[frail bloom]

No seriously tho he is human kreed

[stoic sleet]

This fuckass game istg

[frail bloom]

What does istg stand for

[slender night]

I swear to God

[stoic sleet]

Got the all the melee upgrades and shit another time after update and still no trohpy

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

Oopsie, bug

[wild rose]

There's more

[slender night]

Isn't a slogan meant to be short

[hard thistle]

Fun fact Erebus may not actually be canon and it's possible the Archdemons are only semi-canon too. We all accept them as canon for the art book but the art book is actually seriously outdated and says tons of wrong shit.

The Archdemons are only sparingly mentioned in Eternal's Codex. The Order of the Six is not. So it could mean something different. It is just easy to accept the Erebus shit in the art book as canon because unlike most of the other stuff it doesn't contradict the final game.

[frail bloom]

Well the slayer has slain lots of hells nobility in some form of the archdemons is possible but I haven't read the artbook so I don't know what it contradicts

"Slayer has slain"

Omg😭 🙏

Brain fart

[stoic sleet]

Novik, you go left, Valen, you go right and Slayer… Doomslay

[hard thistle]

It says:

• The Maykrs were created by the Father splitting himself up into them after death.
• The Maykrs knew about Hell and went down to the Sentinels specifically for the purpose of entering the pact.
• Argent D'Nur is its own realm entirely separate from the Earthly Realm of Earth.
• The Betrayer is actually called The Survivor.

[frail bloom]

Those are pretty heavy lol

The father was still alive and ingame suggests otherwise during the sentinel prime cutscene

For the mayker hell pact thing

[hard thistle]

Yeah lol. Even the existence of Erebus in there at all is just because they were gonna have him in Eternal before replacing him with Kalibas. The artbook's text is based on an outdated version of Eternal's lore.

[stoic sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/mono-monotone-single-color-monochrome-solo-gif-15546716018216151938

[hard thistle]

Yeah, this shit was wavering in Eternal's development. At some point they meant for the Khan's blood to be what powered the Divinity Machine.

[peak frost]

Hey guys, thanks for the kind invitation to the Discord! just wanted to tell you I absolutely LOVED the dark ages, so much so that I decided to start my own youtube channel and the very first video I uploaded now is to praise the new doom.
I know it’s a small video, but it tool my like 8 days to write, shoot and edit, it wasn’t easy (I even had to animate the character from scratch!).

Anyway, if anyone wants to check it out, I would be thrilled to get your thumbs up!
https://youtu.be/8AUI6414SIc?si=kbn6i-7qvpdJe5AL

[frail bloom]

Imma watch it rn

Wait is that ai

bruh

[peak frost]

Hey bro, you mean the character? It was all done on Adobe Character Animation, from scratch!

[frail bloom]

No the backround

[peak frost]

No no, that’s my game room!

[frail bloom]

It uses the cover art but it's all smeared

No your thumbnail

[peak frost]

Oh, you mean the Thumbnail! Yes, the art is AI! I just didn’t want to use the same logo everyone used

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

I'd like to see yu draw your own backround

Yu have artistic talent

[peak frost]

Thanks bro! Yes, the thing is, i already started with the second video and youtube punishes if you don’t at least upload one video a week

[frail bloom]

Yee...

[peak frost]

But you are correct, I could definetly get a more artistic authentic thunbnail, not just photoshop and ai

[frail bloom]

When yu have more time, try to transition to 100% real artwork

Really like the avatar tho, keep it up

[peak frost]

I thank you for the kind words!!

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I think this mission is bugged for me. Can’t find the last 5 gold, despite completing all the challenges and discovering all secrets. Replaying the mission 5 times now. Very irritating.
I’ll just be sure to 100% everything first try on my third playthrough when I get the chance.

[frail bloom]

I literally always get 98-99% and it bugs me

[delicate grotto]

Second time a bug has prevented me from 100%’ing my save…

[frail bloom]

LIKE GIVE ME 100%

WHAT DID I MISS

Do optional challenges count????

[delicate grotto]

Pretty much everything does. A singular piece of gold. A life Sigil you didn’t want or need.

[frail bloom]

Life sigil????

Now I gotta kill myself to obtain the sigil lol

[delicate grotto]

You don’t have to obtain it, you just have to go towards it if it’s in a secret area.

[frail bloom]

But I do that all the time, and collect every piece of gold

[delicate grotto]

Even the obviously placed ones will sometimes count as secrets.

Make sure you’re doing all the challenges, and everything on your map is filled out.

[frail bloom]

Fricking challenges

Ugh

[fleet spruce]

that one main part of Unholy Siege heavy combat music completely stuck in my head now

[frail bloom]

Give it 2 yrs and it will stay stuck

For like most of the ost

Except writher and writhe ewwwww

And apotheosis eeeewwwwww

And battle on the blackened tide ewwwww

[fleet spruce]

lol

[frail bloom]

And... I forgor some other forgettable track