the-dark-ages

[pliant sonnet]

jfc it's so annoying, how do i counter it?

[orchid helm]

chainsaw shield usually does it

and a charged chainshot if it's an armored one before

[pliant sonnet]

chainsaw shield u mean

throwing the shield at it?

[orchid helm]

yeah when it sticks it can't shoot bullets so

[pliant sonnet]

yea, problem is u gotta be close to it, but it can shoot at you from very far

[orchid helm]

guess you have to be closer or use impaler and rocket launcher

[pliant sonnet]

impaler?

dont think i have it yet lol

[orchid helm]

the sniper witouth a scope

[barren warren]

shield charge into it to falter it, then shield throw to properly stun it and unload until it dies

they die in a single unupgraded super shotgun blast

[pliant sonnet]

aah ok

[pliant sonnet]

hmm ok, yea sounds good

[barren warren]

for armored, shield charge, super shotgun blast, shield throw to break armor, then another super shotgun blast to kill

[finite sequoia]

I should probably sleep before attempting ultra nightmare

[barren warren]

actually you don’t even need to shield throw, just shield charging and a single super shotgun blast will do

for long range just spam the impaler from cover

[pliant sonnet]

true

[barren warren]

just watch out for their mine attack as if you get in their face right as they launch them, you’ll probably instantly die

[pliant sonnet]

yea, problem is when u r fighting others and that mf keeps shooting

ty for the advice

[barren warren]

focus on them first because their hitscan attack is suppressive

[pliant sonnet]

i love going to a dangerous area thinking the game auto-saved, just to die and realized it didnt

i think i know the answer

but have mad people finished it in the hardcore mode?

[barren warren]

i did after my pandemonium run on default sliders

[pliant sonnet]

default sliders?

[barren warren]

no difficulty modifications in settings

[pliant sonnet]

oh

u mean u finished the game without dying?

[barren warren]

yep

[pliant sonnet]

wow, u r a legend. i cant even fathom

[real rampart]

the new enemy spawns were a nice touch

[barren warren]

what else did they change besides the mancubi during the first and second vagary fights

[real rampart]

they added many different enemies in different encounters

[barren warren]

welp guess i gotta do yet another fresh run to see the differences

and then they’ll change them again next week

[real rampart]

most arena encounters have like double the amount of enemies

some remain roughly the same, but so far every encounter had new/more enemies sprinkled in them

the last arena before the turret in the first level added a fourth pinkie, so now it can spawn 3 at the same time

[barren warren]

they should add 1 komodo to every single encounter

[real rampart]

lol I wouldnt doubt mid/late game has more komodos

but I havent got there yet in the new patch

I actually died mid game on UN because there was alot more enemies in the mines than I expected

at one specific arena

[oblique raft]

How hard is nightmare on doom dark ages

[real rampart]

got me out of comfort zone

[real rampart]

its hard enough imo

[barren warren]

they are definitely going to change the encounters again

[real rampart]

if you practice in pandemonium/nightmare and have a good memory you will most likely have an edge knowing every spawn

[oblique raft]

Is it like elden ring challenge

[barren warren]

and again

[real rampart]

idk I havent played that

[oblique raft]

I platinum on ps5 I haven't played it on pc

[mental grotto]

The softlock where you cant block with your shield still isnt fixed YAY

Overall performance seems better after the patch though, maybe its just me

[silent surge]

@hard thistle where can you find your lore book, in your bio?

edit: there it is

[oblique raft]

I haven't played it for while I was on doom eternal

[lilac ermine]

How do I fix the berserker achievement on the ps5 with the new patch that just came out

[silent surge]

no way i know yet but it’s been reported. i personally have reported it myself

[hard thistle]

Yeah, or in the link in the Lore FAQ in #general's pins. Though the guide is outdated and I haven't finished the updated version with TDA yet.

[real rampart]

if you played UN for Eternal, then you prob got your skills amped enough to take on TDA Nightmare/UN enough to make it more of a breeze

[lilac ermine]

Yeah a patch went out a few hours ago which fixed it. So idk how to get it

[real rampart]

isnt just like, log in the game?

[lilac ermine]

Nope

[real rampart]

I assumed it would cross reference your game data and check if you unlocked the challenge and prompt the achievement for your ps account

but I play on PC, so I don't know how to help

[oblique raft]

I was struggling with dlc so I give up on dlc trophy

[gritty matrix]

Less than UV in eternal to be honest

Playing it right now and I got an arena that challenged me in siege but not much else

[oblique raft]

I will give nightmare try

Don't u get skin u beat on nightmare

[twilit pumice]

Rocket launcher/Grenade launcher combo?

That thing is so fucking broken. Lol

[glossy hound]

Hello, I'm DiegoSlayerXII, from the Spanish Doom community.

Doom and Doom 2 mod creator, I want to know if anyone can help me.Anyone who has Doom The Dark Ages, and can record weapon sounds, thanks (it's for a mod)

I don't have a decent PC, and, I don't have a console either.

thanks

[real rampart]

I disagree so hard on this

UV Eternal is easier than this, Nightmare Eternal I would agree

but TDA Nightmare on Max sliders? far harder than Nightmare Eternal

[cobalt fog]

Wow the dragon moves a lot faster than it used to for some reason

[gritty matrix]

Who is talking about max sliders. I'm talking about the stock nightmare difficulty

If you touch the sliders, is no longer anything but custom

Then even I'm too young to die is more difficult than anything else if you mess with the sliders

[real rampart]

did you read what I said previous to this one? or are just going to take what I said out of context

[oblique raft]

Nightmare seems little bit easier then eternal

[warm ibex]

How urgently do you need them? I could probably record the weapon sounds on saturday and send them over

[gritty matrix]

No, and I cate not.

[glossy hound]

As soon as possible, but don't worry, if you can confirm that you will help me. Thank you so much

[real rampart]

"doesnt care"
responds

okay then

[glossy hound]

I've tried to get good sounds from YouTube videos, but they all have background noise, which makes the sounds ugly.

[warm ibex]

I'll try my best to get them to you by Saturday night! No promises, but I will absolutely try

[glossy hound]

Okay, I know you shouldn't directly, but if you manage to help me, you'll get credits in the mod.

[mystic barn]

If you’re feeling dangerous, you can extract the weapon sounds using the same method to extract the music. It’ll take some sorting, but they’re in there

[warm ibex]

I don't play on pc

[mystic barn]

Brutal. If you like, I can help out. Save having to screen record SFX yourself

[vivid umbra]

How do I deal with arachnotrons at range they are so strong

Nvm

[barren warren]

patch notes updated

[candid jay]

anyone here doesnt have the guardian skin dm me

[barren warren]

now they include the encounter changes

[jolly geyser]

so I wasnt going crazy, they did add more enemies lol. music parts changed around too in levels.

[silent surge]

confirmed!

[uneven mortar]

What is a "maintain" in the patch notes?

[gaunt rose]

Should I keep my audio settings at default after the update or do I still need to modify it a bit?

[loud gulch]

is there any added/updated tunables in update 1?

[silent surge]

enemy that will keep respawning i believe

[merry sapphire]

hey can someone screenshot the new battleknight and arachnatron codex with the art please

holy shit allstin i was just watching your vid LMAO

[north spire]

oh hey, they fixed the default sound mix :D

im not sure why it was the way it is at launch, but at least its taken care of now

[delicate grotto]

You can keep them default now. Audio was fixed and the music is much more clear.

[foggy breach]

Anyone else appreciating on how they brought back the classic imp design into the modern Doom now?

[digital sigil]

Me

[silent surge]

horde mode’s vid has it!

and sweet thank you

[tribal nova]

doom: the dark ages- doom slayer verdant skin code
QXX4-UG3A-P3UP-88YA-E3CA

[proud vine]

You have a shield

Use it

[chilly flax]

Sell it on eBay instead, it's legal!

[agile junco]

Yuh

[pallid wedge]

I can't play without internet ?
SERIOUSLY ?
my internet is down and i can't play while waiting for replacement part.....

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I disagree with that too…

[pallid wedge]

Worse part : the bethesda website says i can play offline....

[chilly flax]

Of course, even for Eternal and maybe 2016 but I don't remember for it, You have to connect with your Bethesda account

[twilit pumice]

Yeah, shield is key. Lol

[chilly flax]

I don't saw this information bit at least for the first time launching the game, You have to

[pallid wedge]

No, eternal launch just fine
Dark age does not launch and require me to connect

[delicate grotto]

Yes, I love it.
All classic demons have been done justice by this trilogy

[delicate grotto]

And finally the Revenant is actually threatening in TDA.

[chilly flax]

Personality I don't know how to play those games without connecting!

[gritty matrix]

I think it's monsters that do not linger but disappear once the leader is killed

[pallid wedge]

God f damnit.
I wanted to bash demon but noooo, in their hubris, they made it mandatory to connect at least once to link account....

And i already did that

[chilly flax]

Could You share your phone connection with your pc (or console)?

[honest vortex]

Lmao I was getting sleepy....I tried listening to Eternal songs.

Thought they were all kinda boring.

But then I listened to Infernal Chasm and now I'm suddenly super hyped to play Doom lol

[gritty matrix]

anyway there is really nothing major in the patch

[delicate grotto]

The music fix is pretty major imo.

There’s also a couple nice changes to the Atlan and Dragon sections that improve their overall replayability.

[pallid wedge]

Sadly not

[frosty pine]

I can't be the only one who got the berserker trophy without actually having all the required upgrades right

I'm still missing some shield rune ones

[graceful lion]

in slayers club?

holy shit yes

[fleet spruce]

Dunno about that but i launch Dark Ages just fine with no internet connection on my ROG Ally X, unless you got gamepass version or something I don't see why it wouldn't let you play

[honest vortex]

Damn. On Argent D'Nur on my DOOM 2016 Nightmare difficulty replay.

This game still is a top 2-5 FPS (and game in general) ever made.

Still super fun.

VEGA Central Processing still a God tier level

[oak temple]

NuDoom Trilogy UN Speed Run when?

[graceful lion]

we need doom's AstralSpiff to do a speedrun for all the canon doom games on UN

[tired rock]

10 chapter deep into UN now, I can confidently say that this thing is ez so far

I figured that SSG and shield is the priority for upgrade

[split gate]

Doom series Nightmare/UN Speedrun when 👀

[rain glen]

hey guys so ehh heard theres a new update to the game. whats the update are there more demons and that

[solemn matrix]

Does Sliders disable skin unlocks?

[smoky reef]

Big update ngl

[spark hazel]

this new patch literally broke the game. Idk what devs did exactly but it feels unplayable now on max sliders, i now fail encouters i was consistently able to beat before the patch

[fierce drum]

Look forward to the big update

[smoky reef]

I've a question might a bit off topic but I was thinking I recently got the PC with a 7800xt and I'm now thinking about getting the 9070xt but I'm not sure since the 7800xt deals with mostly everything

[spark hazel]

Death protection not working, damage outright bypassing shield, seemingly no bugs adressed when it comes to shield

[mild loom]

they made the game harder, because everyone complained it was too easy

[spark hazel]

it was about changing some encounters and changing default presets

im playing on max sliders however which has exponentially more jank

[mild loom]

yeah if you wanna stick with amd the 9070xt is a very good choice

[mild loom]

ooooof

[spark hazel]

you literally can't rely on your shield fully

and expect it to do its job

[mild loom]

yeha thats goofy asf

[spark hazel]

Well, really sad state of affairs, game got much harder, no actual bugs were fixed regarding the shield. UN max sliders is now even further away

[smoky reef]

Might do it, thanks

[graceful lion]

iirc the 90 series has much better RT than the 70 series

[mild loom]

really happy that they focused on rt and got rid of chiplet architecture

[smoky reef]

I know, I'm just waiting to see what I can do

Got the PC with the 7800xt like a month ago

[desert bison]

Guys is it possible to change mouse sensitivity for the dragon? It's sooo slow compared to the doom guy... Can't believe they didn't add separate sliders for the different sections...

[mild loom]

Yeah that section sucks ass

[remote thunder]

do not attempt un melee only, that shit is boooriiiing

[pulsar granite]

Now I will

[tired rock]

Nvm I'm going insane, chapter 10 on UN feels like actual hell

[remote thunder]

only gets more fun from there

[obtuse oyster]

idk if it's nicotine withdrawal but the game feels smoother after the update

[wraith sapphire]

The Aggadon hunter just broke for me and it just stood there 😭

[stoic sleet]

Apparently they nerfed ps5 in update

[spark hazel]

This patch is so much worse than i initially thought lmao

[split gate]

I’m just happy the music mixing is fixed, let’s gooo

[spark hazel]

this is good yeah

for normal people this patch is very nice i believe. Music fixes, harder encounters

[pulsar granite]

I am only halway through my 150% nightmare run

I dont need it to get harder 😭

[lethal saffron]

Can i get conqueror skin with ultra nightmare modified ?

[frail bloom]

Well I hope they make 150% less jank for ppl who play on it, but y'know to me it's always looked real jank to begin with

[hard thistle]

Before the patch yes, I have no idea if that is still the case but I assume so.
They didn't mention anything that I saw, in regards to the skin unlock.

[mental grotto]

I’ve said it before, increasing game speed is jank by definition

[hard thistle]

He had to take a phone call quick

[mental grotto]

Controller ran out of battery 😢

[frail bloom]

I actually killed tje agaddon champion in 10 seconds with my accelerator last night

Do NOT sleep on that thing

Provided I did use the gauntlet damage stack with it, thank yu hugo for letting me know abt thst

Hmmm idk abt 10 seconds more like 15

But still really short compared to last time which I died like 5 times on

[obtuse oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1275503680711299084/1380537064130351235/image.png

what she sees

[frail bloom]

It took yu like 10 min to come up with that

[split gate]

Yes the Accelerator is fantastic

[hollow sandal]

People were saying the game plays smoother

[spark hazel]

Performance wise?

[hollow sandal]

Gameplaywise

[spark hazel]

Well, maybe for you guys it did

[hollow sandal]

rip

[spark hazel]

New patch made game worse for me by a lot

[split gate]

The cycler is also so fun to use, watching lightning go back and forth and stunning enemies

[hollow sandal]

I haven't been able to play yet

[obtuse oyster]

I was gaming the stupid ass "no fun allowed" 10 second dumbass timer so I alt tabbed for a second and was like "oh yeah i forgor to send the peak of comedy"

[hollow sandal]

They need to make it easier to fully charge up imo, and the charge doesn't last long enough

[hollow sandal]

How

[obtuse oyster]

it does actuially feel smoother yeah

[hollow sandal]

Bet

[spark hazel]

I think it's literally all Max sliders fault. Because I haven't encountered a single issue on my 1st playthrough

[obtuse oyster]

idk if there is something that contributes to it or if its a placebo effect 😭

[hollow sandal]

You're having no issues? Sorry I thought you said it was worse?

[warped breach]

I'm on a 7700xt and getting like 80 fps during heavy combat, and seems smoother to me performance wise since the update

[spark hazel]

Yes. It's worse on Max sliders

[hollow sandal]

Ohh, but I still don't understand. How is it worse?

Oops sorry wrong person

@spark hazel

[warped breach]

Perhaps you've just gotten used to how it felt before and just need to adjust to the patch?

[spark hazel]

Pretty much it's bugs. Shield is completely unreliable

[hollow sandal]

Ohhh fuck

[warped breach]

Ahhh

[spark hazel]

No, it's so much worse. Damage going through shield, no death protection (going from full hp/armour to dead)

[hollow sandal]

Howard Hamlin

[warped breach]

I'm not a huge fan of the death protection, just give me accurate health and armor counts dammit

[spark hazel]

Game literally breaks apart at max sliders. I've done each level deathless individually last patch and was practicing for an actual UN run

[gritty matrix]

after the update game feel way more though

[hollow sandal]

More tough?

[gritty matrix]

yes

[hollow sandal]

Dam

[gritty matrix]

several fights are kicking my ass on nightmare

[spark hazel]

But now idk if it's possible with absurd amount of jank

[obtuse oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-you-have-alerted-the-horse-you-have-alerted-the-howard-hamlin-gif-26058425

[warped breach]

Yeah the patch notes mention toughening up the game a bit

[gritty matrix]

prepatch it wasn't too hard

[hollow sandal]

Just play nightmare with default sliders xd

[split gate]

RIP the goat

[warped breach]

I'm currently in the temple of lomarinth on my pandemonium run

[spark hazel]

Uhmmm. I already did? I'm want to the first to beat the UN Max sliders difficulty

[hollow sandal]

Noice

[wheat sigil]

seems like i should've been quicker with my playthrough lmao, gotten 2 patches making the game harder since i started...

[hollow sandal]

Same. Rip

[warped breach]

Reverent skin is so clean dude

[hollow sandal]

True, that's unfortunate this patch fucked shit up for you. What you playing on? And gpu? If pc

[spark hazel]

Literally lowest spec pc for the game

[warped breach]

I'm sure that's contributing to the jank lol

[hollow sandal]

Ah 20 series

[spark hazel]

I doubt it as I'm not the only one experiencing same issues

[spark hazel]

Nope. RX6600

[warped breach]

Currently playing, I'll test the shield and stuff to see if I can replicate, what's the game doin for you

[spark hazel]

UN Max sliders is certainly possible, but early levels and bosses are very very hard

[spark hazel]

I actually had a list of all issues I had and wanted to record and report. Give me sec

[obtuse oyster]

who up slippin their jimmy

[warped breach]

Who up beatin their ahzrak to a pulp

[split gate]

Ahzrak

[spark hazel]

So currently my list of bugs would look like this:

1. Taking damage or having shield broken from parried hits (happens a lot, easy to replicate),
2. Not being able to use shield, and even more rarely lose access to both shield AND weapon (harder to replicate, i suspect it has something to do with grabbable surfaces),
3. Acolytes being invisible until approached point blank (happens somewhat often, won't be a problem to replicate),
4. Acolyte purple flame ground being invisible and still dealing damage (easy to replicate),
5. Softlock on Harbor of souls on encounter right after picking up red skull. Caco despawns and encounter can't be completed (can be consistently replicated)
6. Softlock on first encounter of Reckoning. Caco despawns and encounter can't be completed (can be consistently replicated)
7. Having shield broken with delay (somewhat consitent to replicate)
8. Outrageous input buffering
9. Melee swings occuring unprompted (happens a lot)
10. Mace/Gauntlet kick not staggering demons very frequently leading to death (easy to replicate)
11. Power surge/Parryable attacks going off MUCH earlier making it impossible to react (happens somewhat frequently)
12. Being completely unable to switch weapons, use block or shield throw (i don't know how to replicate it yet)
13. Death protection outright not working, going from 100%. Hp/armour to being dead (happens quite often, pinkies are worst offenders)
14. Damage going through shield (happens quite a lot when you run around with block pressed down)
15. Very rarely parried hit not only breaking shield, but also dealing damage (battle knight being worst offender, cyber demon to lesser extent)

[hollow sandal]

Dam

[spark hazel]

Btw according to patch notes they fixed number 2 and it doesn't happen anymore

[warped breach]

Honestly, I don't even need to try and replicate. 10/15 of these have definitely happened to me

[spark hazel]

Everything else however...

I now need to properly record it all and submit a bug report idk

[gritty matrix]

this stuff happened pre patch also or only after it

[spark hazel]

Pre patch

[warped breach]

Specifically 3, 10, 12, and 7

[spark hazel]

New patch made it worse

[gritty matrix]

I can't be as accurate but I can say I'm dying out of nowhere

[wheat sigil]

for 7. that's not unprompted, it happens when you enter melee twice and the game (for some reason) decides to hit twice, quite weird
and 13. brink of death requires you to be within specific health values, and once activated it has a 1 minute long CD, and pinkies' head bonk bypass it

[gritty matrix]

and yes hitscanners do damage even with the shield up

I even thought it was intended

[spark hazel]

Your point about 1 min cd. It doesn't care lmao. I begin encounter, never going to low (5) hp and then getting 100 to 0

[warped breach]

I've also had a pretty consistent glitch where I'll throw the shield and click to retrieve it mid air and it just will not come back

[wheat sigil]

like i said, you need to be within specific health values

[spark hazel]

It's that bad

[wheat sigil]

for eternal it was when the hud turns red to 21

so between about 50 and 20

[wheat sigil]

you can't use R to retrieve it mid-air

or whatever you got throw shield bound to

[warped breach]

I usually block to retrieve

It just will not come back to me sometimes

[spark hazel]

Yep

[warped breach]

Dude. Just encountered invisible cacodemon too

[graceful lion]

i think 14 is beause you get hit from the back

[obtuse oyster]

I'm on the vore level now

[warped breach]

What the fuck

[graceful lion]

u get eaten

[warped breach]

Damn thing killed me out of thin air, it was invisible but the projectiles were still firing at me

Rip patch

[graceful lion]

the patcj works fine, they just didnt address your issues

which you can report to them

[warped breach]

Well it mostly works yeah, but it has seemed to introduce a few new bugs

[graceful lion]

that's normal

[warped breach]

Not game breaking or anything so far so normal

Next patch will fix these bugs and maybe introduce another lol, standard. I'm not shitting on ID

[graceful lion]

ik, its normal for any game to get new bugs after fixing old ones

[night pagoda]

Hello, has anyone else encountered the bug on ancestral forge where you are unable to use the switch at the life sigil held by the crane?
Additionally to that, I can throw my shield but no longer use it to block/charge.
I'm on PC, playing through game pass.
Apologies if I missed a rule or a pinned comment detailing this.

[spark hazel]

Well In that case the angle is very inconsistent because I saw what was coming in front of me and still dealt damage

[graceful lion]

weird

maybe some bullets are by a frame by frame basis and the shield blocking isnr calculated right

[spark hazel]

Happened only 2 times though on new patch playthrough. Will investigate further

[split gate]

That level was not on my bingo card, I wonder how they pitched it

[graceful lion]

some guy on the team probably

the old one must've been a dumb fuck

[split gate]

Bro ate 👍

[graceful lion]

he was a lil hungy

[spark hazel]

Am I too high on copium by still thinking that UN Max sliders possible on current patch?

[split gate]

Only a spoonful of the Slayer

[long geyser]

huh

[wild rose]

The mace breaks the game so much

It trivializes every enemy

[honest vortex]

I have had many of these bugs too. Though I don't think I had a soft lock in this game yet.

[honest vortex]

Facts.. it's why I don't choose to use it

[wild rose]

But it's so punishing in higher levels lmao

Really hard to beat the 2 Barons without it

I was really struggling with Barons because I'm still bad in parrying somehow and I was trying to kill it with the regular parries and gauntlet

Then I started using mace again and they are fodder. Every enemy in the game becomes fodder with it tbf

And the flair is absolutely useless as a weapon. All it does is farm armor and it can barely kill an imp

[vital rapids]

Flail is good for groups/space, against armor and for getting armor. Nice survivability tool for the right situation. It also looks awesome and is fun to use
But don't forget and try to use it for when you need max damage or

[split gate]

It’s satisfying to kick enemies

[wild rose]

What kinds of groups?

[frail bloom]

#artwork message
@harsh egret
He's a goofball lol

[vital rapids]

Anything close together that you'd like to drop armor, it burns/blasts aoe

[harsh egret]

lmao banger

i could see smth like that in a doom game tho tbh

[frail bloom]

I'm more happy abt the gameplay I wrote abt than the design but it is what it is

[harsh egret]

hahah yeah

[frail bloom]

Shooting a core to explode smt which requires precision sounds fun

[harsh egret]

i like how its core looks for sure

[vital rapids]

Spartan kick ftw

[frail bloom]

Next is mancubus

[harsh egret]

[frail bloom]

Do yu usually read the words I put or is it just the designs yu look at

Where did he go

HAAATTTOOO

[harsh egret]

I look at both!

[split gate]

Sentinel Kick more like 👀

[harsh egret]

Lmfao

[split gate]

“This is what my buddy John Sentinel taught me.”

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/300-kick-spartan-this-is-sparta-gif-16700529

[rocky badger]

They definitely add the modifier permanently even if you change them once and quit. I don't know if you can still unlock the UN skin with the (M*) though

This is how it should have been during launch. At least the DLC will have to be beaten on UN legitimately

[placid rock]

hes. not. a. spartan. MARINE

[wild rose]

Just use SSG or some other weapon.

Unless you mean the sole purpose is get armor from groupes enemies

[wild rose]

The gauntlet is also an insane end game weapon. It just can't do shit against Asscrack

[wild rose]

Which you can do using Combat Shotty

[placid rock]

aye

[vital rapids]

I don't need to switch guns for armor generally, I hate that shit Flail and pickups keep me topped up

[placid rock]

the flail is actually very powerful

can take out multiple enemies

[wild rose]

Pickups usually do more for me than flail. I gave up on it because too little armor

[vital rapids]

Charges instantly as well

[wild rose]

Only if they are soldiers or mini imps lol

[vital rapids]

(on parry)

[wild rose]

All the melee weapons do

[placid rock]

ive killed stalkers and revenants together with the flail as well just depends on how you use it

[wild rose]

Idk, on my nightmare runs I found out violence is the best defensive weapon. Kill them before they damage you

[vital rapids]

It's ok, and the coolest to use. I switch to gauntlet sometimes for killing though

[wild rose]

The armor shotty and flail gave me was always gone in one hot because I wasn't killing shit with them

It's kinda funny how the mace doesn't appear in a single cutscene

[vital rapids]

I'm like 99% flail, 1% gauntlet

[placid rock]

if im being honest... i would rather a giant sword to do the same thing lol

[vital rapids]

We need a flaming sword in the DLC

And possibly a scythe

[wild rose]

You are missing a lot. The other melee weapons make more damage than any hand gun

[placid rock]

this. HUGO GET TO WORK

[wild rose]

What's this?

[wild rose]

I just wanted the crucible. It was so bad in Eternal

[vital rapids]

I won't miss out in the end. Eventually I'll get sick of smiting with a flail like a templar. Eventually 😂

[wild rose]

I wish we could use it for free in Eternal if the enemy was on glory kill state

[placid rock]

#artwork message

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/test-scythe-gif-14961838

[placid rock]

not knowing what a scythe is crazzzy

[wild rose]

It's more about not knowing English

[placid rock]

ah i see

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I assumed so 👍🏻 to become DEATH

[wild rose]

I used to think every weapon that smashes was a mace

[rocky badger]

Optimal weapons and techniques to fight Agaddon Hunters and Komodos?

[wild rose]

Just use mace

[placid rock]

SSG

[wild rose]

Nah dude. SSG actually makes them harder

[placid rock]

-_- I kill them in 5 hits with ssg

[wild rose]

Fully upgraded Accelerator or Skull Crusher demolishes them

[rocky badger]

Accelerator, Ravager? Or get close and use SSG and Impaler?

[rocky badger]

That's what I was thinking

[placid rock]

literally make sure every pellet of the ssg hits and you do massive damage

[wild rose]

I actually think you can kill heavier demons with accelerator or ravage faster

[vital rapids]

Accelerator and shredder are great against bosses if you use the bangy bits 👍🏻

[wild rose]

Also, fully upgraded gauntlet. In a full combo you basically kills Aggadon

[vital rapids]

I frequently forget and grab the impaler/ssg, then think oh yeah, boss

[wild rose]

Shredder or Impaler?

[vital rapids]

Accelerator is an absolute face melter vs heavies. I know it's surprising

[placid rock]

ngl ima do a shotgun only run on nightmare just to see how far i can go, cause i was able to do the whole battle with ahzrak with just the ssg and melee

[vital rapids]

Shredder with pincushion

[wild rose]

You mean Shredder?

[vital rapids]

Impaler but in the face . And no, legit shredder

[loud mango]

i am stuck at the city of ryuul at the platforming section

i think theres a broken jump pad here that im supposed to use, or maybe theres some mechanism to turn it on i havent found

[vital rapids]

Upgrade it and give it a try, much fun

[candid raptor]

what platforming section?

[wild rose]

I actually found out I was getting more trouble using just SSG. I used to think it was the best weapon to clear the entire game

[wild rose]

I'm really confused about what you are talking. You are saying the Shredder is good against bosses?

[vital rapids]

Same. Ssg and Impaler are AWESOME, but sometimes a trap I swear 😂

[loud mango]

theres like a part where you have to jump around through some hoops with the shield bash?

[wild rose]

Yup. Arachnotrons are a big weakness to Impaler

[loud mango]

i dont see anymore hoops though

[candid raptor]

SSG 👍

[loud mango]

and theres this glowing blue pad but its not propelling me

[wild rose]

Try a YouTube video

[candid raptor]

Throw the sheild in the blue gear

[wild rose]

I know. I'm saying they are a trouble to impaler to the point you can't use it 100%

[exotic mica]

i think doom dark ages's best thing was the addition of the story and the cutscenes + graphics quality

[loud mango]

oh

[loud mango]

thank you i found it

[candid raptor]

welcome

[wild rose]

Shredder is also the best early game weapon

I was struggling in the second and third level until I learned to use ricochet

[graceful lion]

the impaler headshots are fucked

[vital rapids]

Use with lots of shield and spam pincushions exactly as they are ready, yup. Don't touch ricochet itsa trap

[honest vortex]

Eternal as the best ending, really?:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043033811941863475/1380567051533418515/Screenshot_20250606-082005.png?ex=684458c2&is=68430742&hm=aa07b31a32af9cd0ae537ce3a460ab09e0834a4e1639f90256fc02d8f102c414&

[vital rapids]

Few things are as satisfying as dropping a cyberdemon quickly with impaler headshots before it can even touch you. Happens every now and then 👌🏻

[graceful lion]

rigged

tda imo should be the winner, 2016 is a close second

I think its just bias for eternal tbh, and people saying its better or faster than 2016 or tda

[honest vortex]

2016 with the Samuel Hayden tether, speech, and BFGing the Spider Mastermind's brain all with the E1M1 drop was the dopest cliffhanger of all time

Dark Ages had a pretty damn cool ending too.

Eternal? All he does is walk away from the Icon of Sin while King Novik sounds like he's talking in a toilet bowl. Lol

[honest vortex]

The horrible endings for The Ancient Gods 1 and 2 don't really help Eternal's case either

[honest vortex]

Well it is Horde Mode Gaming's polls.... and his audience seems to vote Eternal on basically every poll ever.

But even for the ending, really?

[graceful lion]

I think its that not many ppl played tda

[wild rose]

Why do you say?

[slim crypt]

i’m itching for a horde mode rn i need this shit now

[graceful lion]

fuck ton of damage, i regret using ssg only for my playthrough

[vital rapids]

I know this seems like such bs, but try it

[honest vortex]

Even then. The 2016 ending with BFGing the Spider Mastermind's face and Samuel Hayden doing the hardest shit of all time with the E1M1 drop was way better than what Eternal did lmao

[graceful lion]

yes

[wild rose]

I thought you meant the way they register. They are bugged. There were times I shot an Imp in the chest and the head exploded

[graceful lion]

even un upgraded it dealt more damage than yje ssg fully upgraded to a komodo

[wild rose]

They probably don't even remember the ending of 2016

[graceful lion]

fair

[wild rose]

THERE WERE TIMES I SHOT IN THE THIGHS AND THE HEAD EXPLODED

[vital rapids]

I mean that's well-made ammo 😂

[honest vortex]

Whack. That shit is permanently injected into my veins .

[wild rose]

And I like impaling Imps to wall. But apparently I can't

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/brandon-herrera-gif-3989416063441133466

[wild rose]

I've seen the Eternal ending on shorts multiple times and rarely 2016. I bet it's more popular

[loud mango]

they're making me do puzzles in the game about killing demons

[wild rose]

Kill them

[loud mango]

yes sir

[neon perch]

There's plenty of things I remember about 2016 and most of them are kinda sucky. The ending and intro are not part of those.

Presentation wise, 2016 is really good. It's just everything else that's really anemic imho.

[vital rapids]

I remember great atmosphere and waiting for lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of animations

[honest vortex]

Probably because Eternal sold more and got more marketing in general. So people probably haven't even seen the 2016 ending

[neon perch]

I remember the most annoying bits with Hayden locking you in rooms to talk to you and a lot of exposition dialogue that tried its hardest to hype up a paper thin plot.

I remember stopping by to admire every bit of scenery and soaking up the nice Doom 3 vibes.

I've always said this but the first 4 levels of 2016 are one of the peaks of the trilogy. They flow really nicely, play really well, and look amazing.

[vital rapids]

If your game released with any marketing reach during covid, and was good, and with all your devs able to work from home. Recipe for massive success

[neon perch]

The game starts out strong, then loses heat, then by the end I'm just either bored and sleepwalking through the arenas or just annoyed because the hell levels are really lame.

Ironically enough, a bit like Doom 1 and its 3 episode structure with KDITD being the highest regarded.

[frail bloom]

I'm the opposite, I think the first 3 or 4 are boring bc all u fight are fodder till level 3 which introduces the hellknignt

[neon perch]

That's what I enjoy, nice classic Doom vibes with a bunch of soldiers and imps. Something about fighting fodder in either 2016, Eternal or TDA feels right at home with me.

[frail bloom]

A d I love the hell levels they're really abstract

[frail bloom]

Fair

[neon perch]

I don't mind abstract level design at all it's more the visuals in 2016's hell levels are really forgettable. Easily the worst looking hell in the series.

Kudos to Kadingir for its looping design, though. I like the exploration aspect in that one quite a bit as linear as it is.

[frail bloom]

Ye the vistas are either skeletons or towers but titans realm at the beginning and kadingzr sanctum look stunning

Compared to eternal and tda which have liked chained up or crucified titans with volcanoes, mechs, tentacles, the lot

[neon perch]

I did appreciate 2016's use of pentagrams and sigils more than Eternal. I always felt the hell aspect was really lacking in DE.

[frail bloom]

Ye hell in 2016 is the boondocks hell

[wild rose]

It's the reason Eternal is my least favorite

[frail bloom]

Hell in eternal is like the clean version lol

[wild rose]

Eternal isn't immersive at all

[neon perch]

Hell looked better/more metal in Eternal but lost the pentagram imagery that's congruent with the classic games. But I do fuck heavy with the gears, brimstone walls, blood pools, the marble faces referencing classic Doom and the cages with dessicated corpses in them. Shit goes hard.

[frail bloom]

The vistas are better, but imagine if they had 2016 grittiness

[neon perch]

2016's Hell was more of a desert. Lame.

[inner wigeon]

I mean what else would hell be

[neon perch]

That's why TDA's hell mogs them both.

[neon perch]

Are you serious?

[inner wigeon]

If hell is hot then would there be moisture anywhere?

[neon perch]

Dry barren environments =! empty deserts devoid of features or proper demonic imagery.

[inner wigeon]

Define “proper demonic imagery”

[vital rapids]

Yeah it's a fair point. It's extremely hot and unpleasant, and mimics the place of eternal torment. Got to be deserts.

Not necessarily very interesting, though

[frail bloom]

My face

[neon perch]

It's so confusing to me how much more evil hell is implied to be in 2016 in the earlier levels vs what's actually shown. You see lots of corpses all over the UAC, pentagrams and blood and remnants of fights but then you get to Hell and it's basically Lut Gholein from Diablo 2 with skeletons and skulls. Looks almost He-Man.

[frail bloom]

There are actually flesh piles all over in necropolis in the beginning section

And of course hanged barons

[neon perch]

Yeah but it reads more done by obligation than proper conceited design. No walls of flesh, blood pools, churches or cathedrals, no brimstone, no marble, it's all just heaps of stone and dust and sand. Doesn't make for very interesting/engaging design.

[inner wigeon]

That’s fair

[neon perch]

Again, a shame when compared to how much more detailed the UAC levels are. A bit disappointing, but that's just me.

[inner wigeon]

Argent dnur did this best imo

Holy grammar

[neon perch]

Yeah I think ADN and the end of Kadingir actually did the aesthetics justice. It's just so odd how well-lit Hell is when it feels like it should be blood red all over. Doom 64 IMHO has the best Hell in the series with 3 as 2nd best.

[frail bloom]

Imagine doom 3 in modern nudoom graphics
shivers

[spark hazel]

yeah im pretty much death protection is completely broken

[harsh egret]

give me doom 3 remake

[torpid crane]

why did doomguy go to hell when he died @hard thistle

[frail bloom]

He had a piece of davoth so he will always go to hell

Do not listen to what hugo says

[hard thistle]

At a meeting so can't talk for long. Hugo says it is because he sinned by killing a lot of things which is stupid and contradicts Eternal and TDA's Codexes.
I personally believe it is because his soul is tied to Hell by the shard of Davoth within him.

[frail bloom]

Hugo boofin

[delicate grotto]

Agreed. TDA’s Hellscapes are the best of the trilogy imo.

[frail bloom]

I would like a titans realm/necropolis color scheme for hell again

I liked the washed blue

[delicate grotto]

Maybe best of the franchise, though I really love Doom 3’s and 64’s take on Hell too.

[torpid crane]

wouldn't this mean davoth could be revived the exact same way?

[honest vortex]

I love Dark Ages Hell maps.

But after replaying 2016 this past week.

Titan's Realm might be my favorite Hell map from modern DOOM aesthetically

I think Dark Ages Hell maps are the most fun to play though.

[hard thistle]

Davoth is an innate part of Hell. Killing him erases what he made, and my guess is you can't kill only a fraction of him, like the shard inside Doomguy.

[frail bloom]

Controversial opinion here, I love the idea of what harbor of souls is but I think it looks a little lacking

[delicate grotto]

Yeah, Necropolis was sick.
Maybe we’ll revisit that area in another game. Seems Foresaken Plains is similar in design to Nekroval. Perhaps the same region of Hell.

[frail bloom]

It's too light blue which reminds me of nekravol pt 2 which I also didn't like

[delicate grotto]

The atmosphere of 2016’s Hell is unmatched.

[honest vortex]

Also I don't think Titan's Realm looks like a desert at all

[dire iris]

hey guys i need help with something to complete the mastery challenges with shredder i have 43/100 and which one will make the number go up

[honest vortex]

I don't really think Necropolis looks like one either

[frail bloom]

2016 is like one of the few hells depicted that has voids that lead nowhere

It's just floating rock and giant skeletons that reach a surface unseen

[honest vortex]

Yeah it reminded me of DOOM 64 and even DOOM 3. With how abstract and otherworldly it was.

Also Titan's Realm having a whole level in the remains of a dead Titan is just dope AF

[frail bloom]

See I would love to see smt like that but with more memorable vistas like crucified titans

[torpid crane]

last thing
just remembered this but I thought eternal said everyone went to hell
regardless of their life choices

[covert goblet]

No.
Hell's victims were dragged to hell for the process of creating argent.
But those who follow the maykrs' beliefs were allowed passage to Urdak in their afterlife.
(Yes. I know there are a few details I missed.)

[warped breach]

My last playthrough I remember seeing human like bodies in stasis or something right before the khan maykr boss arena

[hard thistle]

the lore ain't perfect tho right, it contradicts itself sometimes i think

[warped breach]

Honestly yeah at points I feel like it does contradict

[hard thistle]

Eternal says people killed by demons manifest in Hell, specifically in History of the Sentinels.
If everyone went to Hell after death then they would have no reason to invade places and kill people themselves.

[covert goblet]

I think it's kinda made to emphasis the ideas of "what really happened" vs "what the maykrs rewrote it as."

[delicate grotto]

Also why I love the Cosmic Realm. Encapsulates its theme perfectly. Nonsensical physics and architecture. Super fun level design. Hoping we see more of it in future content.

||Although I’m not sure how, since the pact between it and Hell is no longer by the end of TDA.||

[hard thistle]

hope we destiny it in the future to explain why it's never mentioned in the later games

[honest vortex]

Yeah Cosmic Realm is peaaaak

[warped breach]

@hard thistle do you think the "dark priest corrupted by the Crucible" will play into the future of DOOMs story? Samur Maykr coming back as the dark priest?

[covert goblet]

like, the codex in the dark ages said the maykrs "gifted" the slayer with their power.
But really, it was Samur Maykr that did it, under the partial influence of the dark lord, to gift the slayer some of HIS powers.

They (the maykrs) could've just rewrote that to fit their view.

[hard thistle]

samur literally is a maykr tho, no?

[frail bloom]

A mix of the two would make sense

[covert goblet]

Yes. But he was influenced by the Dark Lord to give the slayer power, not the Khan Maykr.

[warped breach]

I've always felt the maykrs saying they "gifted" him the powers were only in an attempt to manipulate history and the Slayer himself

[hard thistle]

n maby he told that idea to the khan and waited for her aproval before actually infusing the slayer with the shard

not literally everything needs a step by step explanation, just fill in the blanks yourself

[warped breach]

I think in one of Eternal's codexes it states that he did so against the khan maykrs wishes

[covert goblet]

She didn't give it to him, though.
Yes, he brought it up to her, but it's said he found a way to break free the will of the Khan after she said not to. He did that on his own accord.

[warped breach]

I guess the Dark Lord's will is more powerful than the Khan's

[solemn matrix]

Has anyone tested out this update 1 with difficulty modifiers can you still unlock skins like for instance Pandemonium (M*) to unlock the reverent skin?

[hard thistle]

mhmm, perhaps she changed her mind later after seeing how effective he is under theire control

[hard thistle]

obviously

[merry sapphire]

thanks!!

[covert goblet]

Well, obviously.
He was more powerful than any man before him. A part of him held the power of the creator of everything. He was basically a god of wrath.

Of course they wanted him under their control.

[hard thistle]

well, there's your answer

[covert goblet]

The main thing I'm just trying to say is I think the lore contridicts itself because the maykrs rewrite historical tablets to fit their view and hold their status.

It's their interference that makes things complicated.

[dark thunder]

i fucking hate tthis game sometimes, I can't go thru this door cause I dont have tthe purple key i collected it before I died and now i cant pick it up but the door says i dont have it

[oak temple]

I've now completed the game 3 times and 100% it. Think I'm done for a while

[dark thunder]

They do naturally go to hell though right, especially if they are sinners

[warped breach]

Same lmao but I'm still going for Pandemonium and UN

THEN I'm done. I'll probably replay RDR2 or something

[covert goblet]

Goated game.

[warped breach]

Seriously! I've 100% it on console, but I'm gonna do it again on PC

[covert goblet]

Don't go online on PC. Too many toxic players.

[gritty matrix]

be doomslayer
suicide and go to hell
the demons aren't amused

[warped breach]

Thankfully I've seen quite enough of Online, I have zero interest in returning haha

[hard thistle]

Before TDA kinda sorta implying it nothing insinuated Hell was a serious afterlife that people went to when they died. It is depicted as a warmongering realm that invades places to reap souls and colonize land. Per Eternal the only way you go to Hell when you die is when Damned or killed by demons.
It is a perversion of the natural order. For all we know, in Doom you're supposed to simply stop existing when you die.

[warped breach]

Ran out of shit to buy

[dark thunder]

thank you loremaster

[hard thistle]

TDA uses some iffy language in the Harbor of Souls Codex but IMO nothing that concretely confirms Hell as a natural afterlife.

[dark thunder]

defcon 1 for the demons

I wonder if you just become a roaming spirit kinda like novik if he even was dead

Cause hugo said || The slayer went to hell because he's a sinner|| even though he works against the forces of darkness

[pulsar granite]

Stop with the "humans go to hell when they get killed by demons" bullshit

Doomguy died at the end of ep1 of doom 1993 and went to hell and eternal didn't exist back then

[dark thunder]

Its both

you get killed by a demon you go to hell if u r a sinner u go to hell

Besides Imo the end of ep1 was a cliffhanger

[pulsar granite]

I'm not denying what eternal said I'm just saying doomguy is a sinner

[pulsar granite]

The text clearly implies that doomguy has died and is going to hell

[dark thunder]

yeah instead of the demons waiting for the sinners to die they just invade to get the souls quicker

[warped breach]

Not to mention he essentially has the soul of the Devil inside of him

[dark thunder]

Let's ask the man himself

[pulsar granite]

I dont wanna ask a guy who says that doomguy can't kill demons with his fists

[dark thunder]

in lore he can

[pulsar granite]

Yes

But guess who said that he can't kill them with fists

[dark thunder]

[pulsar granite]

[warped breach]

https://youtu.be/l7gekPmuACY?si=oA9lQWE_WDMVI7pN

[pulsar granite]

Me playing doom tda at fsr 3 ultra perf, I had to put sharpening at 20 to make it look acceptable 😭 😭 😭

[warped breach]

Do you have an AMD GPU?

[pulsar granite]

It's an rx 590, I am playing the game through software rt on linux

[warped breach]

Ahhh

[silent surge]

all the murdering

[warped breach]

I was gonna say, I used XeSS over FSR and it looks far better

[dark thunder]

I guess it would be better than non existing?

[pulsar granite]

The performance is worse tho, I get 50 fps with fsr and 30 with xess

[warped breach]

I see

[covert goblet]

A thought I find kinda amusing:

The fact the Slayer gave up the flail or his shield saw in the future.

[warped breach]

Maybe just got boring to him lol

He did kill the Dreadnought bare handed

[covert goblet]

I think the chainsaw would be more boring for him than the shield saw.

[warped breach]

And he uses guns to prolong the Demons suffering from what I remember, so I see no other reason why he'd give them up unless they end up being destroyed in a later game or the DLC

[chilly flax]

Do You found a solution?

[pulsar granite]

He wants demons to suffer more he clearly is a sinner

[warped breach]

Homies always losing his weapons

[covert goblet]

he is clearly a god.

[dark thunder]

imagine he has a captain america moment and some demon breaks his shield and he locks in

[gritty matrix]

But define sinner

[pulsar granite]

A guy who sins

[gritty matrix]

Isn't a objective definition

[pulsar granite]

The awkward slow mode where we just stare at each other

[warped breach]

It just runs outta gas at the end of the DLC and he tosses it away like trash

[dark thunder]

When there are 2 many questions in the lore so doom fans must come up with the lore themselves

[graceful lion]

he has powers of a primeval, which is a being with exceptional power, but is alsp below a god

[dark thunder]

lmao we will make this real

[covert goblet]

he'd still fight a way to fight with a broken shield.

By lore, he could take on a titan with a pencil and still win.

[graceful lion]

not even a full primeval, he has a dhard of davoth

[graceful lion]

this is just bullshit, please cite your sources

[dark thunder]

who knows he could've used it up until he he got trapped before 2016 and then just lost it

[graceful lion]

well, the sets of armor in tda and 2016 are different

[pulsar granite]

Don't let mono hear

[dark thunder]

I mean like he uses the shield with different armor

[warped breach]

We need a Rail Spike skin that shoots pencils

[graceful lion]

would be funny

[pulsar granite]

A mod hopefully

[covert goblet]

duh.
his armor in The dark ages is from Argent D'Nur. His armor in 2016 was forged in hell.

[dark thunder]

At some point though the slayer just has to go "What even is my life bruh I used to be a soldier now im fighting demons and gods while riding a dragon with people that use magic and shit"

[graceful lion]

yeah, though the tda armor also had maykr influence, because of the leash

[covert goblet]

He's always just done with people's shit.
Difference is who's giving him it.

[warped breach]

Legit lore question, does the Slayer have to poop like everybody else?

[hard thistle]

n then he destroyed it

[fresh sage]

accelerator is my fav gun easily. i slept on it in my first playthrough

[graceful lion]

dont think so

[hard thistle]

no

[dark thunder]

THis should be the first question to ask hugo specifically when he comes back from vacation

[warped breach]

Yes

[graceful lion]

he removed the tether, exploding the detonator and killing him

[warped breach]

I'm gonna ask him next stream

[covert goblet]

"And then john was a zombie"

[hard thistle]

that's not what killed him, the cosmic space acid "killed" him

[warped breach]

I've been wondering, did the explosion kill him or falling into the acid pool?

[graceful lion]

no, the detonator did, the acid was to justify the zombie slayer

[dark thunder]

everything is probably just gonna be more confusing when he wakes up

[hard thistle]

no

[graceful lion]

the explosion, which is far more powerful

[covert goblet]

No, it was definitely the acid.
He still looked alive when he fell into it.

[warped breach]

He seemed pretty lifeless as he was falling

[graceful lion]

he was dying.

[warped breach]

Probably a mix of both

[graceful lion]

he would not have survived the explosion

[covert goblet]

"was dying" means he was still alive. You just contradicted yourself.

[warped breach]

The acid finished him

[hard thistle]

he was knocked out, n the acid cosmic space acid melted him I guess

[dark thunder]

our boy is super strong but not invincible

[graceful lion]

@hard thistle it was the explosion that killed him right?

[honest vortex]

I've had two crashes within two hours in 2016....but 0 crashes within 40 hours from Dark Ages

[hard thistle]

fuck u asking m0no for, he literally watched the same cutscene we did lmao

[graceful lion]

i have, mb, sticking to my first point that the explosion killed him

[dark thunder]

I thought it was the acid until someone mentioned the maykr leash was wired to a detonator

[graceful lion]

thira warned about the detonator, so the slayer cannot survive it

[warped breach]

The maykrs also did say they could "terminate his life functions"

[hard thistle]

thira warned him so they wouldn't die, not the slayer

[graceful lion]

which the tether also did lol

[warped breach]

Exactly lol so I assume they just mean "should we blow him up??"

[honest vortex]

For me it was mostly Titan's Realm that wins.

I think I prefer the penultimate Hell mission from Dark Ages aesthetically and possibly even atmospherically over Argent D'Nur, Kadingir Sanctum, and maybe even Necropolis

[hard thistle]

they also said they could control him

[graceful lion]

he would die too brother, u dont think he would've been at a safe distance and blown up?

[hard thistle]

the maykrs say allot of shit

[graceful lion]

they did control him for a bit

[warped breach]

That's true

[hard thistle]

a bit

[dark thunder]

I think the maykrs were lying when they said they didnt know about the cosmic realm

[graceful lion]

but yes, the detonator did kill him

[honest vortex]

Though the 2nd best looking Hell location in 2016 behind Titan's Realm is actually the 2nd phase Cyberdemon arena from Lazarus Labs where you teleport to Hell

[honest vortex]

Very very underrated. Looks like DOOM 3 Hell tbh

[hard thistle]

okay we going back n forth, officially it's unconfirmed so it's headcannon what killed him

[covert goblet]

Then he broke free when the Kreed was gonna leave the sentinels to die.
He's still got the ideals of a marine: protect and serve.

[warped breach]

The Maykrs already had the pact with Hell to create Argent energy too I believe. So it makes sense for them to release the old one and try to kill the slayer in the cosmic realm

[graceful lion]

damn its almost as if hes a human still

[dark thunder]

makes sense since they wanted him to go alone

[graceful lion]

he is a human, just a really powerful one

[hard thistle]

mixed with the dna of the literal god of the doomverse

[covert goblet]

WhAt? ThE dOoM sLaYeR iS a HuMaN?

[graceful lion]

a primeval, not a god

[hard thistle]

what's a god then

[graceful lion]

a god is a god, a primeval is below a god

[hard thistle]

who's davoth below?

[covert goblet]

the slayer is humanity's embodiement of wrath.

[dark thunder]

the mysterious voice

[warped breach]

Hugo could have been bullshitting, but I do remember him saying the mysterious voice was something above Davoth

[graceful lion]

cosmic realm's gods

the cosmic realm was likely before davoth, the wraiths came from it

[hard thistle]

which are?

[hard thistle]

pretty sure davoth was the first creature to exist

[graceful lion]

dude...

the wraiths are descendents of the cosmic realm

[hard thistle]

jekkad existed before davoth, that's all ik

[foggy breach]

get the lore guy here

[warped breach]

Davoth created Jekkad

[dark thunder]

didnt davoth create jekkad

[hard thistle]

ik this, but this isn't the topic

[graceful lion]

iirc m0no said thats his headcanon

[dark thunder]

Davoth just appeared in the void one day and created everything

[hard thistle]

oh it's not official, my bad

okay so davoth was the first being, as said by the father himself in eternal

[warped breach]

Why do the Slayer and Davoth share appearances?

[graceful lion]

the cosmic realm is older than davoth, i remember m0no saying that

[warped breach]

That's always been my main question about the Dark Lord

[hard thistle]

davoth fw doomguys looks

[dark thunder]

for sure, probably related to the true god higher than davoth, would explain why its so trippy too

[hard thistle]

imma meed a source for that before I believe it

[warped breach]

Hell yeah he wanted his eyes just a bit too far apart and a cinder block shaped jawline

[graceful lion]

i think one of them slowly got the other's looks, since tda slayer looks differnt than eternal slayer, that's what m0no said

[dark thunder]

I think Davoth always looked like that since he's shown that way in the codex during the fight with the father

[hard thistle]

yeah cuz they put more effort in the face model

[graceful lion]

ah, so the slayer slowly got davoth's looks

[hard thistle]

he's shown as a black mysterious figure with no form other then glowing eyes I think

[hard thistle]

I think so personally. He looks dead to me by the time he hits the acid.

[warped breach]

I feel like they just reused Doomguys model because of the pandemic rushing the DLC out the door and had to come up with a BS lore reason real fast lmao

[dark thunder]

I think the slayer always looked like that but he was samur's failsafe so he made it so at one point another davoth would be born or something using his dna

Because only a primeval can kill a primeval he made it with his dna so at some point in time in some universe a counter measure would be born

[hard thistle]

u see, it's just his opinion not a fact. That's why it's pointless cuz we can go back n forth all day

[honest vortex]

Wow the BFG in 2016 is so fucking ass.

The tendrils don't connect to essentially 90% of the demons the vast majority of the time I try using it.

[warped breach]

Hold the weapon wheel open immediately after firing a shot

[dark thunder]

or the dark lord made it so he would be born at one point as part of his master plan to kill the khan maykr

[hard thistle]

imagine calling the bfg ass, couldn't be me

[graceful lion]

Big Fucking Disappointment

[warped breach]

It'll slow down time but still shoot tendrils at regular speed and kill a ton more demons

[tepid verge]

Berserker trophy still doesn’t unlock on ps5. Smh

[hard thistle]

Also the Maykrs are convinced that they can kill him with the Tether and propose the option nonchalantly when he breaks free from it.
The Kreed is further convinced if he overloads it the explosion would destroy the ship.
IMO it definitely was what killed him.

[graceful lion]

known bug i think

[hard thistle]

pretty sure davoth has like foresight or something, never confirmed I think but it's my personal theory

[graceful lion]

no?

[dark thunder]

its possible i mean he is god but he's not omnipotent and all knowing

[tepid verge]

The newest update says that they fixed it, but it really isn’t on ps5

[hard thistle]

what no? I can't have my own theories 💀

[honest vortex]

That trick never really works for me.

Anyway I am tired of the 20 billion Hell Knight spam before the fight escalates on the 3rd Argent D'Nur arena, and the BFG doesn't really work too avoid it.

The BFG just makes the spawns glitchy and delayed so the Hell Knight spam lasts longer

[graceful lion]

he a primeval

[warped breach]

God I know exactly what you're talking about. Hate that arena

[graceful lion]

didn't read mb

[hard thistle]

u good bro don't worry

[dark thunder]

we need that doom bible asap

[hard thistle]

maykrs also though they could control him

[warped breach]

Ikr where's the comic between 2016 and Eternal

[graceful lion]

the doom bible got the author fired from id software

[honest vortex]

I really like that arena when it gets past the tedious Hell Knight spam, but why do I have to deal with tedious Hell Knight spam for awhile until the GOOD part of the arena happens? Though many bullshit unseeable deaths happen on that arena when the Cyber Mancs, pinkies, Revenants, and imps start showing up

[dense shadow]

Any idea when the path tracing update is supposed to come out yet

[graceful lion]

this month, in the coming weeks

[honest vortex]

Cyber Mancs are basically Imps disguised as Mancs. I'm convinced

[warped breach]

What's yalls most HATED demon?

[hard thistle]

maby hugo will answer what actually killed the slayer when he gets to that part of the game

[hard thistle]

Well, they were right. They just couldn't permanently. They likely had control of him for a couple years or something by TDA.

[warped breach]

Yes

[obtuse oyster]

the accelerator is so fucking cool bro

[pale basalt]

Does anyone have advice for cyber demons on nightmare difficulty? I’ve been doing a pandemonium run before i do an ultra nightmare and they seem to be my biggest killer so far

[graceful lion]

FUCK stone imps, easy to deal with but pain in the ass

[warped breach]

They always somehow slip my parry

[wheat sigil]

go in close, parry->ssg, repeat

[hard thistle]

well they lost control, so they were also wrong

[wheat sigil]

more fun to not do that though, but it's more challenging

[warped breach]

Aim for the head specifically as well

[graceful lion]

they never said forever, they jusr said they could control him

[pale basalt]

Their parry window can be tight

[hard thistle]

They never said they could keep control forever. The Kreed considered letting him go to be acceptable because the Tether was still attached.

[pale basalt]

Should i weave hits in between each of their attack or wait?

[wheat sigil]

you should

[warped breach]

Only use melee strike when the orange daze circle appears

[hard thistle]

they also never said for a limited time, so what's you point? They were shocked when he took control so they obviously didn't expect it

[pale basalt]

Oh?

[warped breach]

His attacks are too fast to hit in between otherwise

[graceful lion]

m0no has the same point

[pale basalt]

I see!

[graceful lion]

they were shocked bc he couldnt handle it before

so they liekly had him for a while as mono said

[hard thistle]

Yeah the way the dialogue is set up implies IMO that the Maykrs successfully had control of him for a while by the time TDA starts. No more than a couple years, maybe.

[warped breach]

I would shoot SSG into his face between parries then when he's dazed (orange circle) hit him with a melee strike

Also shield bashes work well

[hard thistle]

they were shocked cuz they thought they could control him forever, if it was for a limited time they'd be like "oh it's time already? aight blast him off our ship"

[graceful lion]

they cant predict for how long

[hard thistle]

yeah for a while, we don't know how long tho

[graceful lion]

they never said forever

[hard thistle]

they never said for a limited time, we could go on all day

[thorny yarrow]

Can you get the battle knight and Arachnotron codex entries in an already completed file by killing them?

[warped breach]

@pale basalt the Chainshot is also very good against Cyberdemons once you have the upgrade that charges your shot everytime you get a parry off

[hard thistle]

guess we both just love disagreeing with each other lmao

[graceful lion]

if i put a rabid pitbull on a leash, then i say "i can control him" but the pitbull gets away 10 mins after i day that, i still controlled him, but not forever

they did (past tense) control the slayer

[hard thistle]

Also Thira is also pretty convinced the Tether will kill the Slayer if he removes it.

[warped breach]

I feel like only because he allowed them to though

He didn't mind being controlled as long as he could kill Demons

[hard thistle]

if you said you can control him and that happened, then you lied lmao

[thorny yarrow]

Which is funny considering he seemed to remain alive until he hit the acid. XD

[hard thistle]

Honestly he looks to me like he is dead when he hits the acid. His eyes are open but they looked lifeless and he never moves.

[thorny yarrow]

Huh. Yeah I guess

[vital rapids]

While he was still getting to pursue his hobby. I don't think he knew he was letting them until the question arose.

[hard thistle]

This is also consistent with 2016 where Hayden is convinced if the Foundry melts down the Slayer will not survive the resulting explosion.

[graceful lion]

clearly not, he wanted to escape even on ship

[hard thistle]

I though he was just knocked out, explaining why he doesn't react and shit

[thorny yarrow]

I do love that this game recontextualizes some of his later actions as, "I'm going to stop this from happening, cause If I die it would be really inconvenient." XD

[warped breach]

How the hell did he survive the UAC Atlantica explosion lmao

[thorny yarrow]

It was a normal explosion, and also the room he was in remained relatively in tact.

[placid rock]

yeah wasnt a good enough explosion to kill doomguy lol

[warped breach]

It was massive though

Guess it is just a regular explosion though yeah

[frail bloom]

It didn't affect his room tho

[thorny yarrow]

Sure, but it wasn't an explosion of energy from a different dimension.

[warped breach]

Likely just man made bombs

Which are nothing to the Slayer

[placid rock]

the makyr stuff is not man made wtf

[dark thunder]

slayer is the pitbull named princess

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah. We know.

[hard thistle]

literally the least impressive thing the slayer has survived

[placid rock]

just feels like its calling a nuke a childs toy at this point by calling it a man made thing and not a angelic device built to possibly kill

[warped breach]

I was just making the argument that if he couldn't survive the foundry melting down, how did he survive that explosion

[thorny yarrow]

No one called the Maykr device man made.

[frail bloom]

We were talking abt uac atlantica not the mayker tether bomb

[placid rock]

oh ok got confused

[warped breach]

But I didn't think about the foundry being Argent based

I'm sure an Argent explosion large enough could kill the Slayer

Headcanon the maykr tether bomb is an Argent bomb

[placid rock]

the slayer runs off argent

[warped breach]

We've come full circle

[hard thistle]

pretty sure nothing can permanently kill the slayer

[placid rock]

well technicly if he broke that device on a actual ground surface he would be been put into a crater im sure

https://tenor.com/view/koshitan-dead-yamcha-ded-death-pose-gif-14904581299271759992

[lilac swan]

He had even died in classic Doom

[hard thistle]

he died in classic doom?

[lilac swan]

yes

[hard thistle]

when?

[placid rock]

techincly yes and no

[frail bloom]

No he was teleported, if he died he would've been in hell, he jist teleported in deimos

[thorny yarrow]

I was mentioning this before. IN Doom 2016 when the foundry was going to explode, maybe it could have killed him. And he did go to the effort to stop it. So he probably didn't have to do that, but if he died it would have been inconvenient and he would have had to come back from hell again to get back to mars.

[frail bloom]

His health value may have low values but he doesn't die just gets real injured

[warped breach]

It must be super annoying for him accidentally going to Hell all the time lol

[placid rock]

pretty sure i remember the devs having a ending where doomguy is dead at the end but they cut that out

[warped breach]

He's like "Fuck now I gotta get back AGAIN"

[dark thunder]

kratos moment

[thorny yarrow]

No really though. XD

[warped breach]

Kratos has escaped Hell 5 times now hahaha

[placid rock]

nah he more like " son of a bitch.... welp lets get this massacre started" chainsaw sounds

[thorny yarrow]

If the slayer has any true kindreds across gaming, for me they are Kratos, and Samus Aran.

[warped breach]

He never hesitates to step through portals hahaha

[thorny yarrow]

"Welp, when in Rome." XD

[placid rock]

kratos and doomguy pure powerhouses of strength and battle

[warped breach]

I love both characters equally but I think Doomguy would take the fight

[dark thunder]

I think kratos would win

[warped breach]

The Slayer is eons old and has so much more experience. Kratos is around 1,055 years old

[hard thistle]

only samur tells the slayer that the explosion would kill him, the ingame lore or narrator says, and I quote "Samuel Hayden, a survivor and Head of the Mars facility has offered you his help if you need it. You don't. You just need ammo and a way to stop the meltdown before it tears the base apart"

[frail bloom]

Are yu for serious rn

[dark thunder]

imo

[thorny yarrow]

I have a friend who firmly believes that Samus could take the Slayer with her Metroid Suit from Dread. And I feel like there is potential there, but its really hard to know just how effective a Metroid would be in the Doom universe. Maybe they could, but I don't know. XD

[frail bloom]

That is just an intro blob that is not representative of an argent nuke going off

He would die

[hard thistle]

the "intro blob" is like a narrator tho

[hard thistle]

why, cuz Samuel said so?

[frail bloom]

Dawg, it's not talking abt the explosion it's saying thst the slayer doesn't need samuels advice and knows he can't stay for long he ain't dumb

[placid rock]

nah kratos has more expeirence overall and technically has more powerful weapons, his expeirence goes to gods, demons, monsteres, beasts, humans, barbarians, dragons, he has also faced much bigger and much more powerful characters doomguy has. and lastly doomguy is essientially god and kratos is litterally the god killer so if anybody would win with full power and equipment it would be kratos. now if they were both no weapons no power im not sure who would win as they both fight to the last breath

[frail bloom]

Samuel is just stating the obvious

"Don't stay around or the whole facility will evaporate into ashes"

[warped breach]

Realistically though I feel like they'd stop fighting and realize that they're more useful fighting together

[placid rock]

exactly

[frail bloom]

Like duh

[dark thunder]

I feel like kratos would be more powerful cause he fights more powerful enemies

[hard thistle]

yeah the facility, like the narrator says, not the slayer

[placid rock]

thats why i hate these vs shit cause they would not really battle each other

[dark thunder]

like lifting a 20 lb weight everday for eons

[thorny yarrow]

I dunno man, the Icon of Sin is pretty close to some of Kratos' enemies.

[warped breach]

That's true, Doom Slayer just fights more less powerful enemies all at once

[frail bloom]

@hard thistle

[lilac swan]

From what I've researched, deimos floats above hell

[warped breach]

There's also the Dreadnought, who he killed with his bare hands

[placid rock]

thats samuel not a narrator

[dark thunder]

Cronos was thousands of feet taller than him I think

[frail bloom]

Welp
@hard thistle

[warped breach]

And the champion titan of Hell in 2016

[dark thunder]

I think Maligog is the biggest titan we've seen too

[frail bloom]

Two questions comin right up

[placid rock]

i want a game about that titan scene

[thorny yarrow]

Well wouldn't the Slayer killing Davoth put him at essentially even footing? Davoth was a god.

[frail bloom]

I'm making concepts abt it rn lol

[hard thistle]

this is the narrator @placid rock

[frail bloom]

Whole enemy roster and everything

[honest vortex]

Man 2016 credits went so hard.

I think it was the only game with a cool credits sequence

[dark thunder]

idk cause kratos kills gods all the time who knows

[warped breach]

I'm hoping he'll be someone we'll go after on the High Council of Hell. In the DLC

[hard thistle]

Doomguy did not die in Doom 1. He teleported to Hell via the Phobos Anomaly Gateway.
Hence why the next level is called, holy shit, Deimos Anomaly

[placid rock]

thats 1 god where kratos has killed pantheons of gods

[frail bloom]

@lilac swan

[dark thunder]

yeah its just a misinterpreted 90s game cliffhanger

[lilac swan]

In Dark Ages you can see a Titan bigger than a mountain dead at the background of the level, I just don't remember which level it is.

[lilac swan]

Yes, I read it

[hard thistle]

Exactly. The dark room is just a narrative device to say you have entered a dark and hostile place.

[warped breach]

Ancestral Beast I think

[frail bloom]

[hard thistle]

That was an Ancestral, not a Titan. Different species.

[warped breach]

But the Slayer didn't kill that, another Ancestral did

[dark thunder]

they're like woah wanna see what happens next? but the next episode

[vital rapids]

as soon as she balls up, the Slayer is gonna use that amazing golf drive with his mace
it can take a demon lord's head clean off, she's going into orbit

[umbral flint]

Can i play the dlc if i play with game pass?

[placid rock]

doom guy and kratos wouldnt fight right? i think they would be bros at first sight being both barely talking lol

[hard thistle]

no

I don't really know much about God of War.

[warped breach]

No, you'll either have to buy the premium upgrade or buy the premium edition

[umbral flint]

Ok thanks

[placid rock]

kratos has the same spirit of fighting to the last breath as doomguy

[dark thunder]

I think they would just ignore each other since kratos has chilled out since then

[rugged breach]

Which is better money wise

[thorny yarrow]

Well if the Slayer can kill one god, with about the same amount of ease as Kratos mind, that pretty much puts him on even footing I'd say.

[hard thistle]

or buy the dlc separately

[vital rapids]

I don't think much short of Superman or the Flash is killing our guy tbh

[thorny yarrow]

Really nothing would stop hiom from killing all of them if he wanted to.

[lilac swan]

The upgrade one

[hard thistle]

waiting for sale

[rugged breach]

Ty will get that when I get paid

[placid rock]

id say its more about the experience plus the powers kratos has, essentially he would be a stronger match due to his rage mode

[warped breach]

Honestly I doubt they'll take TDA off of gamepass anytime soon so I'd get the premium upgrade. It's $35 right now vs $100 for premium edition

[thorny yarrow]

Well the slayer has Berserk, which is kind of the same.

[lilac swan]

Xbox owns Bethesda, they won't take it away

[warped breach]

Exactly

[rugged breach]

The doom franchise is peak

[warped breach]

It's one of their titles they'll keep on there to generate interest in the subscription

[placid rock]

which he would have to find where as kratos just has that on hand

[warped breach]

Sometimes it seems like Berserks are placed strategically to show the Slayer is particularly pissed off in certain areas I think

[placid rock]

i feel like that would be the case for boss battles tho

[warped breach]

For example in TDA right before the final mission, and also all the Berserk power ups in the zombie level, he's pissed in those

[hard thistle]

Berserks are explicitly a foreign substance that the Slayer ingests or uses on himself, as 2016's Codex tells us.

[placid rock]

oh ok so it is something he has to find

[warped breach]

He also powered back up after ||Serrat's death||

[lilac swan]

In 2016 you can find several of them

[warped breach]

He became enraged

[real lynx]

BFG spam:

[warped breach]

I love doin that lol

Or Dreadmace spam

[placid rock]

powered and ranked up

[lilac swan]

I really liked the audio change in this update

[placid rock]

oh i do that using wemod X3 lets me have infinite melee charges so i can just smack everything to oblivion lmao

[warped breach]

Me too, the music is perfectly balanced and mixed now

[lilac swan]

The songs are much clearer now

[warped breach]

Sounds great on my speakers, even on default settings

[past rover]

Hey

[thorny yarrow]

I'm playing right now to experience that. It's great!

[warped breach]

Pre patch I had it set to music 100 and everything else set to 45%

This sounds even better than that

[hard thistle]

but also it only explains what happened when normal humans consume it, nothing for the slayer is written

[placid rock]

interesting

[torpid crane]

expansion of territory, blood for rituals, deal with makyrs, power, etc.

[torpid crane]

what about people who did neither and die

[lilac swan]

I just wish they would release skins with different models in the future, instead of just recolors

[warped breach]

I'm hoping they do more too, hopefully it wasn't just for Battlemode

[placid rock]

thisssss

[thorny yarrow]

It's implied they end up in Urdak if they are faithful.

[placid rock]

or at least do modding so people can make the skins

[warped breach]

I want all those concept art Slayers they showed off pre release

[vital rapids]

Yes. Although they'd have to be pretty good to be better than the current Slayer model

[thorny yarrow]

If not, we don't know. Maybe they end up in the Cosmic Realm?

[hard thistle]

They already get blood from the people who go to Hell. The deal with the Maykrs specifically only makes sense under the assumption Hell has to kill people to reap their souls, because it is stated that the Maykrs giving them access to the people under their banner is what allows them to produce Argent.

[torpid crane]

so what happens to people who die
not to demons
and had no idea about the maykrs

[thorny yarrow]

#the-dark-ages message

[hard thistle]

They just die. The end.

[thorny yarrow]

Maybe their soul lingers as a ghost.

[torpid crane]

imma assume they go to hell

[lilac swan]

I want the 2016 praetor outfit and the classic marine skin, that would be cool

[hard thistle]

souls exist, so they're soul has to go somewhere

[thorny yarrow]

Nothing has been explicitly said or implied either way.

[hard thistle]

The general idea that everyone goes to Hell when they die in this canon just breaks the story. There would be no point in saving anyone lmao

[warped breach]

What was with the blue zombie ghosts in the harbor of souls?

[frail bloom]

No dude that undermines the whole point of the series

[hard thistle]

Or they just stop existing. Nothing in Doom says souls have to persist.

[torpid crane]

God forbid someone be a decent person and value life as they live it

[frail bloom]

Why would doomguy even try, why would hell even try

It makes no sense to think that, it breaks everything

[hard thistle]

Except Hugo claims the Slayer went to Hell because he killed a lot of demons, so evidently whatever hypothetical judgment they use to determine who is good and who is bad makes no sense.

[torpid crane]

even you said that was bull

[placid rock]

hugo just needs to stop making lore i swear he just contradicts everything

[lethal saffron]

Hdr is broken again after update =.=

[vital rapids]

Aren't both soul harvesting teams really effectively worldly physical factions?
ie they don't get to just hoover up any and all souls

[frail bloom]

So don't listen to hugo lol

[thorny yarrow]

When did he say that?

[hard thistle]

I agree, it is bullshit. Because the entire premise is bullshit and simply does not align with how the series has depicted Hell.

[dire iris]

hey guys i need help with something to complete the mastery challenges with shredder i have 43/100 and which one will make the number go up

[placid rock]

hes not the og dev so he doesnt even have a clue what the original idea depicted hell

[warped breach]

Detonate pincushioned demons, shoot a demon with the shredder until they glow gold then throw your shield at em

[hard thistle]

It is explicitly told to us that Hell NEEDS to invade worlds in order to obtain the Essence. That notion alone makes the idea of anyone passively going to Hell after death just for "being bad" nonsense.

And Eternal explicitly states that Essence is made from the people who are killed by demons.

[dire iris]

or ricochet

[frail bloom]

Hugo: nah it's biblical, but without the biblical

[warped breach]

Yes but pincushion is significantly easier

[vital rapids]

Or if they do have some kind of bad afterlife automatically, it's not the hell depicted in the game, which is a physical place

[warped breach]

Just make sure there's lots of demons around when the pincushion blows up

[torpid crane]

so then maybe they go to hell but no essence gets made

[frail bloom]

Why do yu want them to go to hell lol

[warped breach]

Samur did say that those unworthy are carted off to the blood swamps to be discarded

[placid rock]

the only way it works for the way hes saying is that this has to be a different hell one thats not from eternal, or 2016, or the originals

[frail bloom]

They just don't, period

[torpid crane]

why not
in Greek myth no matter what you did you went to the underworld
treatment just varied

[placid rock]

actually very untrue

[hard thistle]

What would even be the point of including this in the story?

[placid rock]

in greek it did matter what you did

[frail bloom]

Bc then it undermines everything the slayer has done for eons

The whole franchise would be meaningless

[vital rapids]

You could be refused in Greek mythology

[torpid crane]

bro
you can look this up very easily
I even just double checked
Greeks believed everyone went to hades

hades = underworld