the-dark-ages

[hidden steeple]

everyone saying sum different

[foggy breach]

Are you looking forward to playing the games chronologically?

[meager vortex]

dark ages first and doom2016 and doom eternal

[hidden steeple]

Yea I guess story like order

[dark thunder]

Doom 3 has nothing to do with the doom slayer it's not necessary

[vital rapids]

I would play them in release order because of the possibility of newer games making older games seem dated and slightly tarnishing the experience

[hidden steeple]

Say I wanna play it I play it after dark ages?

[dark thunder]

U can play it whenever

[hidden steeple]

Oh

[dark thunder]

Doom 3 is canon, it's just canon to an alternate earth, same hell but different earth

[foggy breach]

It's optional even though it's not set in the Slayer's pathway

[hidden steeple]

Dark ages
2016
Eternal with dlc

Doom 3 optional?

[scenic lichen]

How would it even fit into the timeline tho? Is there any actual confirmation?

[meager vortex]

doom3 is not optional

[graceful lion]

doom 3 doesnt have doomguy, but theres also the classic games

[scenic lichen]

I’d say play doom 3 imo because it’s a great experience

[dark thunder]

The soul cube on his desk is just an easter eggg

[hidden steeple]

Bro what am actually getting

[hollow sandal]

Just play 2016 first (my opinion) , it's the first nudoom game

[graceful lion]

its not the same earth/mars, but the slayer is confirmed to be real in that universe

[dark thunder]

I think he' just passionate about it

[hidden steeple]

Ok so ima start dark ages do I just press campaign and choose a difficulty? Which one do yall recommend it’s my first time playing

[meager vortex]

if you play doom3 you will feel dead space

[hollow sandal]

Hurt me plenty

[dark thunder]

ultra violence

[vital rapids]

Doom 3
2016
Eternal
TDA
This way no game makes the next one seem dated, and you understand the references in each game to the series before it, and you appreciate the way the Prequel references things mentioned in previous games

[hidden steeple]

This game has parrying?

[meager vortex]

yes

[dark thunder]

doom souls

[hidden steeple]

Ima just start with the old one u told me 🙂

[hollow sandal]

2016

[graceful lion]

there are billions of years in terms of time between tda and 2016, so it would kinda feel coherent

[hidden steeple]

TDA
Doom3
Doom 2016
Eternal with dlc

[hollow sandal]

Makes the most sense

[hidden steeple]

I already got tda open

Ima choose hurt me plenty

[hollow sandal]

Ok

[meager vortex]

happy hunting

[hidden steeple]

What’s empowered attacks and targeting

[hollow sandal]

Easy mode bsically

Makes your attacks more powerful. Makes aiming easier

[hidden steeple]

Oh well it’s off by default do u recommend to enable it or

[meager vortex]

slider you can custmize

[hollow sandal]

Leave it off

You're already playing on normal difficulty

[vital rapids]

Yeah, go with defaults first time round

[hidden steeple]

Ima leave difficult modifiers on default

Ty btw to everyone who helped

[vital rapids]

All good, and enjoy the game

[meager vortex]

hunting demons

[hollow sandal]

Come back and tell is how you like it

[meager vortex]

rip and tear

[vital rapids]

Until it is done

[severe jay]

i just finished dark ages and ohmy god that ||doom 2016 callback near the end|| was so cool

[honest vortex]

So essentially....he still doesn't love it? Lol

[hollow sandal]

He's cooked

[honest vortex]

Or did that motivate him to get better, and he grew to love it?

[hollow sandal]

He needs to get his nose cleared out

[honest vortex]

It was

[meager vortex]

they are rage brutal with out mercy but you are the worst rip and tear until its done!

[honest vortex]

He's probably nose bleeding from Anime baes

[hard thistle]

You're gonna shit your pants when you learn about Doom 1993, Doom II, and Doom 64.

Doom 3 is canon. It's just not relevant to the Slayer.

[honest vortex]

DOOM 2016 literally has the Soul Cube even

[celest oyster]

Yeah considering we have the Vagarys

[covert goblet]

Oh, the lore master!
I mean no offense to your vast knowledge you majesty

🙂

[celest oyster]

Ah yes. Doom Guys normal days

[hard thistle]

I don't really mean lore shit. I just mean the whole Doom Slayer thing is relatively new to the franchise.

[celest oyster]

Not mention after 64 he was in hell for a long time

[hard thistle]

Most of the series up until 2016 has you playing as a normal guy, even if the normal guy in the classics would eventually become the Slayer in the new games.

[honest vortex]

Anyway I don't like to shit on other people's tastes. But Dark Ages is one of the very few games that blows my mind that someone can be disappointed by

[vital rapids]

To say nothing of the hell knight design

[hard thistle]

I can't really imagine disliking any mainline Doom games that aren't sort of Doom II with its shitty level design.

[honest vortex]

I think the Soul Cube is an even bigger connected tbh

[summer tusk]

i just completed the game, is there literally ||nothing to do after completing it?||

[honest vortex]

Like the game feels like a love letter to the DOOM franchise even

[scenic lichen]

Thank you for correcting me, but could you elaborate?

[hard thistle]

Doom as a franchise is remarkably consistent in how great each installment is. Of the 7 mainline, canon titles, 4 of them are masterpieces, 2 of them are incredible games, and 1 of them has Downtown in it. That's pretty great overall.

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-2016-waking-up-doom-slayer-doom-gif-9088729593492756553

[vital rapids]

Watching yesterday's stream where Hugo opened Doom II, played some combat and outlined how much they cared about classic Doom DNA in this game, and was like look we did this in TDA because of this thing here etc was almost am emotional experience tbh

[honest vortex]

Even liking Dark Ages while being disappointed in it blows my mind.

I usually can understand people's sentiments, but like this one is kinda unfathomable to me lmao

[honest vortex]

Act Man seemed to like it while being immensely disappointed for example.

It's just bizarre to me

[loud gulch]

ok wtf what lies below hits SO fucking hard at the 1:25 mark

[honest vortex]

Yeah. It takes the best parts of Eternal, 2016, and even Classic DOOM and combines it with some badass Sekiro Captain America awesome sauce.

It's so damn cool.

It also feels like a next gen DOOM II Megawad in some ways.

Cosmic Realm was reminding me of later maps from Sunlust.

[meager vortex]

if demons die he respawn to the hell but doom slayer is behind wait to rip and tear i like a this story

[honest vortex]

It's DOOM to a T. Peak DOOM.

[loud gulch]

half/mostly half of the people who are disappointed by it were probably expecting eternal 2.

[hard thistle]

A summary: Doom 3 was originally made as a simple hard reboot of the series, a reimagining of Doom 1. However Doom 2016 recontextualized it as a canon title of the overarching story by including several details from the game.

• Doom 3 introduced the Martians, a race of proto-humans with a chosen one hero fighting against Hell. Doom 2016 brought them back but renamed them the Sentinels.
• Doom 3 introduced multiple concepts the series would keep using and referencing going forward - mainly Hell manipulating civilians to enter pacts with them and giving demon lords physical form by combining them with mortal bodies.
• The modern Doom games heavily imply that the Doom canon is a multiverse of several Earthly Realms that all connect to the same Hell, allowing for the Slayer as a consistent, Realm-hopping character while also allowing for individual Doom games to have their own continuities. Doom 3 is an example of this - it's set in its own Earthly Realm, with no relation to Doom 2016's UAC or Mars, but it is still canon as we fight the same Hell as always and the original Doomguy is referenced through the Martian lore.

[honest vortex]

If you love DOOM, I feel like you should love Dark Ages.

I don't usually "gatekeep" like this but it's what I believe

[loud gulch]

with muricaneagles settings it feels so much like classic doom

[hard thistle]

So Doom 3 isn't a prequel to 2016 or whatever, it's not the same UAC or the same Mars. It's not related to the classics either, it's not the same UAC or Mars as Doom 1993. It is its own Earthly Realm. But the Hell we fight is the same Hell as in the others, and the Martians are Sentinels, a race known to be capable of traversing dimensions - and they were aided by Doomguy, whom Eternal establishes had to make it to Sentinel Prime somehow.

[obtuse chasm]

Is anyone here looking for some or basically ALL the exclusive promotions Skins for Doom the dark ages?
I was scouting around google and I found an interesting offer selling 4 different skin at once

Oh I can't post the link for it here =C
if there are other collectionists people interested DM me, I'll share the listing link, I got all the skins myself after a month of looking everywhere so I confirm the struggle and I hope to be able to help someone else like me collecting everything without much struggle
I hope next skins they will add will be actually ingame to begin with, no more collabs HUGO!

[willow beacon]

Bros trying SO hard to promote this

[obtuse chasm]

Thanks

[harsh egret]

how is that a "thanks" lol

[obtuse chasm]

Considering how exclusive and how most of the promotions will end next week, I am sure people from outside US and generally unable to get those skins will love to find 4 of them at once =)
Collectionist players at least, 'cause yeah they exist

[loud gulch]

so its.. in the same universe basically?

[honest vortex]

Oh yeah I started to play 120% speed.
Not as high as MuricanEagle but still.

So fucking fun

[loud gulch]

but not really connected on the mainline games

[hard thistle]

It's in the same canon as the other games, just not the same timeline as them.

[hollow sandal]

Probably a sarcastic "thanks asshole" type of thing. I've done it replying to Dishoom before

[obtuse chasm]

It wasn't a serious one, but what else should I say to such a negative comment? lol
That user has no idea about the struggle of people collecting every possible stuff for a game they like, even if it requires spending money

[harsh egret]

i mean u shouldnt be promoting that here either way but oh well

[honest vortex]

Something that doesn't get sentiment enough is Dark Ages has the coolest melee combat I've seen in an FPS, and it's glorious.

To me it's a game changer even

[hard thistle]

And yeah. It's a mainline, canon Doom title, but it's not part of the story Hugo calls "the Slayer saga."

[loud gulch]

no not his game settings, i meant his COMMAND settings
hes using these commands:
bind (any key) "hands_fovscale 0.8; hands_offsetx 0.1; hands_offsety 0.128; hands_offsetz -0.03"
bind “any key” "toggle pm_runspeed_override 15 9.525; toggle pm_jumpheight_override 3.75 -1.0"
+130/120% game speed

[obtuse chasm]

I wished some people showed me a good offer when I was looking for those skins desperately myself, I am probably not alone feeling this way about it ^^

[loud gulch]

wow, thats interesting to know

[honest vortex]

Unfortunately I'm on Console.

But game still peak as all fucking hell regardless

[wind dew]

Thems fighting words

[loud gulch]

oh.
ive always been meaning to ask this to a console player but how much fps do you get on it?

[real lynx]

Spending money on skins is idiotic

[obtuse chasm]

you're literally named after the second dlc final boss...

[pulsar granite]

Oh not understanding irony

[hard thistle]

TBF Dork Lord is correct in the sense that between Doom 3 and Eternal, Doom 3 is the one that plays a lot more like Doom.

[loud gulch]

va cough cough valo cough sniff sniff valora cough cough valorant

[honest vortex]

60

[obtuse chasm]

But as we can see people did, and there is no need to insult those who spent money =/
I found an offer on ebay for verdant skin and they sold like 40 of them for $30+ each

[loud gulch]

interesting

[vital rapids]

He's a cousin. We don't talk much, as the feeling is his side of the family have rather let us all down

[harsh egret]

comparing a multiplayer competitive game to a exclusively singleplayer game lul

[copper turtle]

has dark ages received any patches

[real lynx]

No if you spend money on eBay for a skin you deserve to be insulted

[obtuse chasm]

lol that's funny

[harsh egret]

prob sarcasm tho but..

[honest vortex]

DOOM 3 is designed more like Classic DOOM, but Eternal has a paint job closer to Classic DOOM.

[loud gulch]

what console are you playing on? cuz im pretty sure consoles can go up to 120hz

[honest vortex]

Series X. I think Eternal can go higher than 60....but not TDA

[loud gulch]

doom 3 has the horror of the classic dooms, eternal has the visuals of classic doom, tda has the gameplay of classic doom

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages has it ALL even. IMO

[loud gulch]

yeah, you can go up to 120 on eternal.

[obtuse chasm]

I respect your opinion, but I met some people very chill with their money and they surely wouldn't like to be called idiots.
Consider those who get the pizza skin even if they are outside of the US, they had to pay but at least they got the skin they were looking for without move to US XD

[honest vortex]

Cosmic Realm up there with the most horrific DOOM moments

[loud gulch]

i agree, but i think it lands the bullseye on the similar classic doom gameplay. The visuals and horror are still incredible tho, cant wrap my head around the cosmic realm.

[vital rapids]

Imagine doing that

[hollow sandal]

I actually enjoy how much you love dark ages. Respect

[loud gulch]

ive heard of the pizza skin, how do you redeem it?

[honest vortex]

Also TDA 2nd half looks like DOOM II Megawads

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[honest vortex]

Nice. You love the game a lot too, right?

[loud gulch]

those big ass cacodemon tentacles in the background horrify me on the first cosmic level

[obtuse chasm]

By going in one of the 10 Prince St pizza stores in the whole US!

[hollow sandal]

And it's gotta be a spicy ass pizza

[loud gulch]

SO COOL!
-person living in asia

[obtuse chasm]

basically if you aren't america get rekt

[honest vortex]

Yeeaaaa

[vital rapids]

I respect 2016 and Eternal. I really enjoy TDA

[hollow sandal]

Yea for sure, I need to play it a little more to see where it ranks within the three nudoom games

[obtuse chasm]

YEP.. so I don't mind people offering to sell those skins for people like us

[pulsar granite]

https://youtu.be/T3x1tzOuXbQ?si=5kyZ8scx1iVdEasr

[hidden steeple]

Yo guys so am doing the tut yea

[honest vortex]

I love 2016, but the terrible checkpoint placements, rune trials , and random one shots are super obnoxious and huge mood ruiners.

[hidden steeple]

Am I supposed to have any past knowledge while playing dark ages

[hollow sandal]

Fulimination is an upgrade for the cycler @pulsar granite

[loud gulch]

ok i saw the skin
it looks chopped asf bro 😭

unm skin better

[pulsar granite]

Uhhh did I say anything about the cycler

[loud gulch]

2016 no death protection 💔

[hollow sandal]

No, but heisenberg is holding fuliminated mercury there

[vital rapids]

It was a struggle for me to get through 2016 in the end. I felt guilty because they clearly did such a fantastic job of what they were going for

[pulsar granite]

Ah

[fleet spruce]

Easily best part of the game imo

[honest vortex]

Them Soldiers, Shield Guys, and Cyber Mancs are ridiculous and pure evil.

Of course the Imps as well.

Oh yeah and the fucking PINKIES!

[loud gulch]

the imps fucking suck on 2016 un runs.
you can get 2 shotted, hell even ONE shotted by those fireballs

[honest vortex]

Lost Souls with their super annoying ridiculously loud screams and near one shots

[hidden steeple]

@vital rapids so am playing TDA am I supposed to have any past knowledge

[honest vortex]

Soldiers, Shield Guys, and Cyber Mancs also one shot you unfortunately

[hollow sandal]

No I don't think there's anything you need to know

[honest vortex]

If the Soldiers use their charge shots atleast

[hidden steeple]

Ty

[loud gulch]

i could list off all the runs ive lost on un because of the imps and itll be longer than the us constitutional convention letter

DEADASS 💔

[honest vortex]

Barons also one shot you with highly accurate huge fireballs and giant melee attacks, but atleast there's only two to three at once at a time.

[vital rapids]

Well, you don't HAVE to, like at all. You can just play and soak up the story.
However, if you find a video that lays out the Doom lore and watch it, it's nice to know what's going on

[loud gulch]

i feel like un in 2016 is basically just a glorified "no hit run" challenge built into the game

[vital rapids]

Really you can play any of the games and have fun, and pick up the lore at your leisure

[hollow sandal]

2016 is hard man

[honest vortex]

Yeah Nightmare and UN definitely feels that way

Even Ultra Violence kinda does sometimes

[hollow sandal]

On NM

[hidden steeple]

Got it

[honest vortex]

It is. Harder than Eternal IMO

[hollow sandal]

I agree

[honest vortex]

Even Hugo Martin himself thinks 2016 Nightmare is harder than Eternal Nightmare funny enough

[vital rapids]

2016 was nicely able to kill you back, yeah

[loud gulch]

deadass fr.
still tho, as difficult as it can be, dying actually feels good in the doom games unlike, EVERY other shooter game? (except for the modern boomer shooters like ultrakill, prodeus, etc)

[stone jay]

hypothetically, if i did a pandamodium run without dying and using any extra lives, can i get the UN skin too?

[hollow sandal]

No

[loud gulch]

nope

if you beat un youll get the skin tho!

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/unfortunately-no-such-luck-hunter-engel-agufish-no-dice-out-of-luck-gif-27044232

[stone jay]

oh i know just wouldn't say no to getting a 2 4 1

[honest vortex]

Though I have found heat blast is a life saver.

If you're critical on health and heat blast a bunch of fodder, you'll often get enough health drops to just BARELY barely survive the next hit

[stone jay]

damn, it'll be just my luck that i won't be having such a clean run with UN

[honest vortex]

2016 Nightmare be scary AF. You're such a a glass cannon lmao

[loud gulch]

ive always hated the accelerator, but i gave it a shot on some un runs and i thought "hey, this isnt TOO bad after all" and once i figured out the heat blast tech, GG.

[hollow sandal]

Accelerator really was one of those guns that people slept on then realized was good

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[loud gulch]

my hate for the accelerator isnt because of the gun itself, its because it got outshadowed by the cycler (the superior plasma gun in the game)

i just thought the accelerator didnt make any use, the gun sounded like ass, i barely got any heat blast charge, etc

[stone jay]

thank you broski!! it's the boss fights that worry me, i've had a few encounters where even tho i parried an attack, it got the sound and visual cues to say i did i still took damage

not losing a run for an annoy bug

[loud gulch]

up UNTIL i learned how to use the gun ive completely ditched the cycler.

[stone jay]

it's crazy, it melts cyberdemons and even the doom hunters

[vital rapids]

Yes - this always happens to me when I'm doing really well
To the extent I have wondered if Hugo is trolltuning

[loud gulch]

the increase fire rate during maximum charge mod really does shred them.

[stone jay]

maybe because i have played a lot but it feels like it's going too well

[stone jay]

absoultely, and yes but i can't spell and doom is much easier 🤣

[hollow sandal]

Same cycler is dope. My one gripe with the cycler is it can be kinda tough to get that full charge (final upgrade) without using the electric shock rune

[honest vortex]

We used to Dark Ages that we're now calling the 2016 Plasma Rifle the "Accelerator" lmao

[vital rapids]

Right? You're like the perfect organism, your gameplay perfection is only matched by your hostility
Then somewhere at id towers Hugo turns a tunable "derp" slider to max when you're about to parry

Keystroke goes nowhere and you limp off to find some armor

[stone jay]

honestly 🤣 well if he can wait to do me up the chuntey to after my UN run that would be nice

[tranquil moss]

or use the power gauntlet's first strike if you have the upgrade

[mossy juniper]

I wish the acceletor's sound design had the sharper glass shattering sound to accomodate the description of it shooting shards

[hollow sandal]

Tru

[mossy juniper]

it sounds quite weak

[vital rapids]

low key wouldn't be surprised if the tunable values were named things like "wtf", "bs", "gud", and "lol" at the back end

It's what any of us would probably do

[tranquil moss]

ahzrak damage crippler 9001

[mossy juniper]

I find that first play through I severly underutilized the bone crusher early game

[tranquil moss]

the only time i really used the skull guns was on the ahzrak fight before they got nerfed

[hollow sandal]

Remember E3?

It would be starting soon

[mossy juniper]

Playing DA in bed using a Oculus Q3 with pass through is so nice.

Just a giant floating screen stream directly from my pc

[vital rapids]

I agree! But the wife banned me from doing that any more

[mossy juniper]

I'm suprised it runs buttery smooth on my 3070 laptop

Usually the RT performance really struggles on the laptop GPU

My main setup is 5080 tho

[graceful lion]

it runs smooth on a 2060 non super 6gb

90+ fps on an upscaled 1080p

the recommendations are just recommendations after all

[mossy juniper]

Can't believe people are mad even tho it runs on a glorified 1060 6GB with RT slapped on (2060)

[graceful lion]

well, there was also the 16 series

[vital rapids]

Istr the 2060 was way better than the 1060, and the 2060s about equal with a 3060 tbf

[mossy juniper]

Didn't that come after 20 series? not between 10 and 20

[graceful lion]

16 series has no raytracing, 20 series has raytracing

[vital rapids]

But the point still stands

[mossy juniper]

yee

[graceful lion]

oh wait

[vital rapids]

It's amazing considering what you're seeing

[mossy juniper]

I really hope DA gets a switch 2 port

[graceful lion]

right, yeah, released after 20 series, but only a few months later

[graceful lion]

if ur fine with 10 fps

well it seems to have a 1660 equivalent, or a 2050 mobile, so maybe with some modifications

[mossy juniper]

Nah, Switch 2 could manage 60 with DLSS

[graceful lion]

probably if docked

[mossy juniper]

Did you see the video of DA running upscaled from 240P?

[graceful lion]

shit mustve been on a 1050ti 😭

[vital rapids]

It may do better than that, especially in handheld mode. You're talking about a cut down build running in 720p underlying, with a t239 variant, which is like a species of 2050

[mossy juniper]

It's shocking how clean the image can be from a resolution lower than a smartwatch

Like insane

[obtuse chasm]

Random oneshots? Never had those

[vital rapids]

With upscaling and a clever port it is almost certainly not out of the question that it will run fine

[graceful lion]

yeah, and if theyre somehow able to do even more optimizations

[mossy juniper]

I would buy the switch 2 for Mobile DA

[vital rapids]

If Phantom Liberty can run on it, which it can, TDA may be fine

[mossy juniper]

How much VRAM does the switch 2 have?

[honest vortex]

Interesting. Not on Nightmare?

[mossy juniper]

So during my Pandemonium run, I came back to the end of the level on Seige part 1 after completing the objectives and a completely new combat enounter spawned with a doom hunter

like wtf?

is that supposed to be there?

[real lynx]

The accelerator and cycler are completely different beasts

Accelerator can do crazy DPS and is really meant for single target damage whereas the cycler does crowd control

[mossy juniper]

not bad, expected a lot worse

[vital rapids]

About ten gigs of unified memory available, quite fast

Hrm, that message sent about ten times after I edited it. Sorry for spam

[fleet spruce]

Switch 2 port is only matter of time

they're probably working on it in the background as we speak

[mossy juniper]

I hope so

A vr port would be amazing too, since there's litte vertically

Physically doing the melee punches would feel so good

(unlikely tho)

[graceful lion]

at first when i saw a pre release review on the game it said the 2060 got 28 fps on a native 1080p, kinda lost hope then, saw more reviews, with soem settings, it reached 60 fps, and then, i got the game, first it was like 50 ish fps, tuned settings to the lowest i could, then boom, since the first review i saw, the fps was tripled

[vital rapids]

When all life on earth has evolved to crab form and the atmosphere has curled away into space, lost to a cooling, dying earth
One of the crabazoids will still be rocking a 2060 playing a current game.

[graceful lion]

i read life and crab and my brain immediately though "half life"

(yes im a half life 3 coper you cant stop me)

[pulsar granite]

Half life 3 will confirm that Gordon is waltuh

[lapis herald]

guys can someone help me, when i open doom dark ages, its just an black screen

[hard thistle]

Another update in writing the guide: I believe TDA might have finally cemented all the confusion with red VS blue colors with Wraith/Argent Energy.

[twilit gyro]

currently doing a playthrough on ultra nightmare with settings tweaked so it’s basically permadeath hurt me plenty

it’s easy, but really stressful considering how long this game is

i’m just doing it for the skin lowk

[pulsar granite]

Have you enabled fsr 3 frame gen

[lapis herald]

no

[pulsar granite]

Then weird

What are your pc specs

And what os are you on

[lapis herald]

ryzen 5 5600gt
rtx 3060ti
16gb ram

[pulsar granite]

Then I don't know have you bought the game on steam or are you using steam share

[graceful lion]

dont think steam share would matter, no?

[pulsar granite]

Because denuvo locks you from the game

I have a friend who couldn't run the game from steam share because of denuvo

[lapis herald]

i use xbox game pass pc

[pulsar granite]

Then I have no idea

Are you sure you're using the right gpu drivers

[lapis herald]

in the first time i opened the game was normal, but now is black screen

[twilit pumice]

https://youtu.be/bNjl9CCjVp0?si=1HAik7RZhw2mN7xC

[alpine berry]

Why is the berserker achievement not cracking

[silent surge]

bug, it’s being fixed

[alpine berry]

So basically i have the platinum trophy

In 30 hours

[inner wigeon]

Infernal chasm is kinda overrated

[foggy breach]

How would a sharp weapon like a sword would work in TDA since we already have blunt weapons?

[inner wigeon]

Maybe a different, more linear radius that doesn’t require a direct hit to get off

[oak temple]

I dont think any of the songs in this game are overrated since most people are "its not Mick"

[inner wigeon]

Sort of like destroyer blade I would assume

[inner wigeon]

I’m talking about the sentient people, the ones who like this games music. Their fav is always infernal chasm, I don’t hear it

[torpid crane]

I like unchained predator

and i totally forgot slayer got called that in 2016

[foggy breach]

Into the Void is pretty dope.

[cedar inlet]

Hello! I'm playing on Pandemonium difficulty, and when I start the fifth chapter, it throws me back to the beginning of the fourth chapter. Does anyone know what this is and if there's a fix?

[inner wigeon]

I think itv would be dope if it used the city of ryull mix

[ebon shale]

Generally I think the ingame soundtrack is better mixed than the ost. Which is odd, very odd

[pulsar granite]

We already saw this like 50 times bro, I posted it 💀

[frail bloom]

Some amazing gentleman asked if we were going to see the hell baron/classic baron in dlc, he even gave an example, the gladiator from eternal

AWESOME SUGGESTION SIR
Guess what Josh said...

"nO, wE alReaDy haVe A bAron of Hell!!!!
It's The CoSmic BaRoOn, DeAl wIth It!!"

Josh where are your coordinates

[twilit pumice]

Wither & writhe, Atlan Battleground, Blood Spill, and steel beyond the grave are also pretty good.

I do think Infernal chasm and Into The Void get brought up a bit too much. They're still wonderful songs but I see these two get mentioned way more than any other song

[cobalt fog]

I love all the dark ages tracks

[lament grove]

Divine retribution my beloved

[twilit pumice]

It's my favorite OST out of Nu Doom

[twilit pumice]

Adding it to que

[cobalt fog]

Best theme imo is this https://youtu.be/0AJrhM4lFXQ?si=aWPVyxh5PPXf9xzV

That or into the void

[silent surge]

it just slaps

[cobalt fog]

Sucks this isn’t on Spotify

This is like one of the best themes

[silent surge]

wish it made it on the OST

[cobalt fog]

Yeah

I mean I’m glad it plays when you do things on the mission I just wish I heard it more

[twilit pumice]

Added to que

[cobalt fog]

As soon as you reach 1:22 it immediately becomes evident why it’s so fucking good

[twilit pumice]

I fucking love the guitar in this ost

[hard thistle]

Yeah Samir I'm looking through the stream and not finding the "Slayer went to Hell because he kills demons" thing, but Hugo seems to claim the ritual was just a "beacon" for Doomguy rather than a resurrection itself.

[lament grove]

That and theomachy are probably my favourite songs in the soundtrack

[hard thistle]

The ritual thing, you know, whatever, but claiming the Slayer just goes to Hell for killing stuff is genuinely nonsense.

[frail bloom]

@hard thistle 1 hour and 14 min I think

[fast sage]

Wanna know why Doom: the Dark Ages is called the Dark Ages?
Because the dark ages was a time in human history in which is undocumented.
In Doom Eternal'd codex, it mentions no enemies of the kind from Doom: the Dark Ages nor the most significant turning points in the story.
The Dark Ages is meant to be the time in sentinel history which is undocumented.
Theory.

[frail bloom]

Mass extermination

[lament grove]

I remember some guy telling me to be excited about what lies below but honestly i dont think its that good

[twilit pumice]

Theomachy is another incredible song

[frail bloom]

"Slayers sins"

"Killing a lot of stuff"

Unless he means he killed ppl it makes no sense

[real lynx]

He does say that's why he's in hell

[hard thistle]

Ancestral beast my beloved

[hard thistle]

Yeah and it is nonsense.

[frail bloom]

Yes but what else has the slayer mass exterminated

[real lynx]

Tbh a more sensible thing would be "he has davoths essence in him, of course he's going to hell"

[frail bloom]

That was and is still our theory

[hard thistle]

Okay yeah he says "Ahzrak says that they need something more permanent because he knows the Slayer will go to Hell when he dies, because the Slayer's, you know, killed a lot of stuff. Mass extermination."
This is bullshit. This straight up does not align with Doom. It contradicts established shit Eternal told us, and the notion you can go to Hell based on morality or sins or whatever breaks the entire function of how Hell works in Doom period.

Really wish he'd stop saying stupid shit like this, because it simply is not what the games are saying and I'm sick of people parroting shit like this just because the lead writer said it.

[real lynx]

I mean doom lore isn't particularly consistent.

[frail bloom]

Hugo talks abt the lore once and completely fumbles it

[vital rapids]

Check out about 1:30 into "When the Shadows First Lengthened" and turn it up loud
Absolutely slaps. Unfortunately there's a looooooong lead-in so people don't get to hear it.

[hard thistle]

It's more consistent when you ignore Hugo's comments.

[frail bloom]

I will say this, he said he was getting ahead of himself, when he was talking abt the mass exermination, do yu think the slayer had killed ppl before or du yu think hugo is being shallow and actually thinks that by killing demons, yu go to hell just cuz

[hard thistle]

Doom lore has its issues but generally it keeps shit like this understandable, mentions it, explains how it works, and leaves it alone. If there are contradictions it tends to be because of the occasional development mishap (COVID) or a new game coming up with new ideas.

[hard thistle]

Doomguy was a Marine. He's probably killed people. But this would still be just as stupid even if Hugo were saying Doomguy went to Hell because he killed people.

[frail bloom]

Yes it would still be stupid

Sigh

[pulsar granite]

It's the dark ages of Id software

[hard thistle]

Eternal makes it clear: you go to Hell when a demon kills you. That's what the Codex says, it makes that clear, and every other mention of human souls in the Codex frames them as "captives" or prisoners.

[frail bloom]

Yu should correct hugo on his next stream, if ya can

Before he spouts any other nonsense that confuses us all

[hard thistle]

I don't really think there is much point to that. I don't care for the dev comments but being realistic he's just playing the game, having fun and talking about the story for it.

I don't really specifically dislike Hugo saying nonsense. I dislike fans worshipping his comments as concrete canon overriding the games themselves.

[frail bloom]

Tbf each few months we have a debacle over the primeval stuff bc of hugo's comments

[vital rapids]

Link to what I was talking about with timestamp at the good bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOXI5uSPIaQ&t=90s

[frail bloom]

That's hilarious bc all of micks tracks in 2016 have a ridiculous long lead in with frickin wind noises yet they're patient

Rust dust and guts is so good but like sometimes I just have no patience

[twilit pumice]

Groovy as fuck

[vital rapids]

I'd love for Finishing Move to expand on just the heavy bits in some extra tracks. But I'm not expecting them to do a load of work for free (I expect it was pressure enough OSTing the game)

[frail bloom]

But yu know what they can do, bc the dlc just won't require as much tracks as the campaign, they can focus on each individual track much more!! So I'd say if all goes well, we are in for a treat

[vital rapids]

would absolutely love this

[inner wigeon]

Ever since this game came out, I don’t think I’ve had a workout where I don’t listen to this song.

[twilit pumice]

@hard thistle
About your point from last night or whenever, how Doomslayer does stand against oppression.
I love how it ties back to his great, great grandfather BJ.

[hard thistle]

I like to believe the connection, in any case. Romero and Hall believed it, but the modern games never cemented it.

[torpid crane]

modern games are full of plotholes

[solemn matrix]

Last question on Ultra Nightmare, if I am in a game and the game crashes and or power goes out. Do I lose my progress?

[torpid crane]

why was Samuel Hayden chill with Vega being destroyed in 2016
the real answer is they changed wildly on the story direction from 2016 to eternal

[mental grotto]

It’d be fucked if wolfenstein and doom took place in the same universe lol. Living on earth you gotta deal with the Nazi regime taking over the planet AND frequent demon invasions?

[real lynx]

I mean he is game director so ultimately he has final say

[hard thistle]

Says who?

[frail bloom]

Bc he didn't know he was the seraphim yet
Story direction did change tho

[mental grotto]

He wasn’t really chill with it either, it was kind of a last resort as all the other hell portals had been closed and humanity didn’t have any other ways of opening a portal.

[frail bloom]

NO NO NO NEVER SAY THAT AUTHORS CAN FORGET WHAT THEY'RE WRITING ABT

Fans who spent their days and nightd analyzing it to death with a completed product is more trustworthy than a disconnected author

Attack on titan is a good example for me

[torpid crane]

until the author makes what they say canon

[real lynx]

You get lost when you overanalyze doom its not that deep

[mental grotto]

Also I’ve heard the idea tossed around that the seraphim/father had their memories fucked with once their consciousness were transported to machines

[pulsar granite]

Ultra nightmare never saves progress

[frail bloom]

Not really

[twilit pumice]

I know, M0no.
Just cause Romero and Tom Hall say so, doesn't mean Hugo says so.

Just head canon atm waiting to happen

[torpid crane]

dooms story is utter nonsense
it exists bc the level designers went nuts and they had to make that make sense somehow

[long sparrow]

Yep

[pulsar granite]

Tom hall will go to Hugo with a chainsaw

[mental grotto]

Me when people are invested in the thing they are interested in: 🤯🤯🤯

[hard thistle]

VEGA is not the damn Father. VEGA is part of the Father. VEGA potentially dying doesn't change fuck or shit about the Father in his Life Sphere. He's basically just a copy of the Father's consciousness. This is why the Father says in TAG1 that he will be returned to his "full faculties" once his Life Sphere is brought back.

[pulsar granite]

Shit I remembered that the father was part of vega

[hard thistle]

Hugo's response was stupid and you could tell he pulled it out of his ass. You didn't even need Hugo's comments. This is the answer and you can glean it from Doom alone.

[torpid crane]

counterpoint
game said he's the father
so im trusting that over you

[mental grotto]

Grug

[hard thistle]

The game itself says exactly what I'm saying, lmao

[pulsar granite]

Yeah after all why trust a guy on discord over the game and game director

[torpid crane]

this

[hard thistle]

Like I am repeating to you info that the game says. The game outright tells you that VEGA is only a part of the Father, not the entire guy.

[frail bloom]

The guy on discord wrote a 200 page lore document like studying it for years, I trust him more

[torpid crane]

yeah
his consciousness

so its him

[slender night]

Of course when you simplify it to this it's agreeable

[pulsar granite]

Sure but I still trust Hugo more than a random dude with higher perms on discord

[mental grotto]

Because my boy mono has spent a significant amount of time reading and analyzing the codex’s of all the game, weighing what is and is not canon and piecing the story together. Dude has genuine passion for the games’ story he’s not just some bum pretending to know what he’s talking about lol

[slender night]

How about "why would we trust someone who has done their research over someone who is known to say shit under the heat of the moment without the agreement of the entire writing team"

[pulsar granite]

I still trust Hugo more and you can't convince me otherwise so stop writing long ass responses to my personal opinions

[torpid crane]

how bout who cares bc the story is nonsense

[pulsar granite]

True

[frail bloom]

Your personal opinion is unfounded, and pretty dumb

[hard thistle]

A consciousness without his memories. It's effectively just an intelligence with a lot of room to interpret information. VEGA lacks any of the Father's memories, he has to resort to Urdak once he's there.
The Father, even before he was VEGA, was simply an artificial intelligence. You can swap this shit out.

[slender night]

Long ass (2 sentences)

[frail bloom]

I like hugo more, so ha!

[pulsar granite]

I don't give a shit you can't change my mind

[torpid crane]

based

[slender night]

You forgot the "i", it's 'biased'

[mental grotto]

“Yea nobody cares about the lore” if you don’t care and think the lore is meaningless that’s fine, why are you engaging in discussion about it lol

[frail bloom]

I don't need to, but your opinion is a bad one

[hard thistle]

Also if your response to discussion about the story is "w-well the story's nonsense" then that's not a very good argument to be taken seriously when discussing the topic.

[slender night]

Responding to discussion with "idc lol" is really fucking stupid

[pulsar granite]

Call me an idiot how you want it's just my personal opinion nothing to take personally

[torpid crane]

im bored and on the toilet

[long sparrow]

Very based

[autumn kiln]

just finished the game on pandemonium

[long sparrow]

Congrats

[frail bloom]

Literally your only defense is "nuh uh"

[autumn kiln]

thanks 😁

[pulsar granite]

What is it really the end of the world if someone has an opinion that's different from the mast vajority

[slender night]

Who made it the end of the world?

[pulsar granite]

I already told you you can't change my mind so stop yapping 😭

[mental grotto]

I hate troglodytes who engage in discussion about things that other people are passionate about and then when they are met with passion they just go “well uhhh I don’t really care anyways” like dawg

[slender night]

All I'm seeing here is discussion you refuse to participate in for whatever reason

[autumn kiln]

hardest part by far ||enhanced ahzrak||

[pulsar granite]

Act like I didn't exist

I am listening to mono I just have my doubts that's all

[rocky creek]

wohoooo congrats

[hard thistle]

I want to emphasize: I'm not asking any of you to trust me over Hugo. I'm saying to trust Doom over Hugo, because we are Doom fans and not Hugo fans. What I'm telling you is not random claims I'm pulling out of my ass. It's shit I'm pulling directly from the games.

I can source, like, direct Codex entries and levels with the dialogue in them for all of this shit I'm saying. It's all in my head.

[twilit pumice]

Nah, I actually care

[mental grotto]

It’s like going to a car show and saying “well I think Ferraris are fucking stupid” and then when you’re met with backlash being like “I don’t actually give a shit about cars anyway” like THEN LEAVE BRO WHY ARE YOU THERE lmao

[pulsar granite]

That's not the fucking point

[frail bloom]

Guy

Hugo is the director of the game, not the story, he cannot focus on everything, the things he says are vague, and intentionally so, bc he has a vague idea of what he's saying, but bc it's vague, he tends to get stuff WRONG. And that's ok, but it is not fact. Compared to m0no, who has studied this stuff for like 5 years and wrote a damn novel abt it. If yu don't care despite that, alr. But your argument so far has been "nuh uh"

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/going-insane-insane-breaking-bad-breaking-bad-memes-gif-27501231

[frail bloom]

Great comeback, yu refuted all my points

[slender night]

I just feel like dumbing you down to "just a discord user" without giving any credit to you at all for your knowledge on the subject is being a bad sport about it

[pulsar granite]

I don't think you realize you're literally talking to a wall here

[frail bloom]

Alr then

[pulsar granite]

Look dude I just trust what Hugo says ok I never said mono is bad or smth chill

[hard thistle]

I also want to emphasize the general sentiment that I do not claim to be smarter than Hugo or know more than Hugo about Doom. What I do claim to be is a hell of a lot more autistic than Hugo, who is a normal fuckin' person who will naturally have flawed answers to questions asked while he's distracted playing a game - and I will source anything I say with direct citations. That's what you get when you are so obsessed with a topic like this.

[mental grotto]

So you’re just baiting for a reaction and aren’t worth talking to. “I’m gonna state my opinion and then refute all counterarguments with the fact that I will never change my mind and don’t want to discuss it.” If you don’t want to discuss it why announce it to a chat full of people passionate about the topic

[long sparrow]

"You will NOT go against the lore guy"

[pulsar granite]

Am I going against him? No, all I said was that I trust Hugo

[torpid crane]

I was way into the lore for 2016
then eternal happened
and its one of the reasons im not into that game

shoutout kalibas
they never fixed your codex bug

[slender night]

Yeah you said that by implying Mono is untrustworthy

[long sparrow]

I know, I was using the thought of logic I saw here lol

[pulsar granite]

No, calling someone a dude on discord doesnt mean calling untrustworthy

[torpid crane]

no he didn't
Jesus its the whole
"I like pancakes."
"so you hate waffles"
"that's a whole new sentence wtf are you talking about"

[slender night]

"why would I trust a guy on discord OVER hugo" just feels like a biased statement to me where you're doing Mono dirty

[mental grotto]

I fucking love rage bait and arguing semantics!!!

[real crater]

ahzrak is easy i died like 2 times to him but on some previous arenas i died over 10 times

[pulsar granite]

Bro just shut up please just shut up 💀

[slender night]

Eh, fine, you don't really care to argue about it, you've made that clear, and I don't really think this is of any benefit to me either

[pulsar granite]

I already said you can't change my mind so it's useless to argue about it

[mental grotto]

Tbf the implication of “Hugo over some guy on discord” is pretty clearly discounting the credibility of one side

[slender night]

Well people will naturally try to change your mind, trying to be on the same page is common

[long sparrow]

Just ignore them. Tomorrow no one will remember about this.

[pulsar granite]

True we all are drunk

[mental grotto]

Fuckin Socrates over here

[torpid crane]

if i changed that statement to
"the game director over some guy I dont know"
it doesn't mean the guy is bad
it just means the other has inherent credibility due to his active position

[hard thistle]

Example on sources:

VEGA is part of the Father.
The Father saying he does not have access to hill full faculties in The Holt, and that he is only "a presence."
He's basically just a copy of the Father's consciousness.
The Life Sphere is intact before the Slayer crushes it; the Father is only a machine, so copying consciousness is very possible and the Maykr Singularity regularly handled consciousness transference, which itself is a claim I source from the Urdak Codex entry.
A consciousness without his memories.
VEGA is explicitly stated to lack memories in the Seraphim Codex entry, and only regains them when he is plugged into Urdak.

[slender night]

That's still bad 😭
You're now implying the other side is inherently worse just because you don't know much about them

[frail bloom]

Meanwhile Hugo:

Uhhh uuhhhh bc SAMUELS A BAD MANAGER THAT'S WHY IT'S A THEME ON BAD MANAGERS

ok

[torpid crane]

dude no im not
I even specifically said that I wasn't
what are you talking about

[slender night]

I didn't mean that YOU, like, you COOKER are doing this, I mean if you said this as your statement it would come off that way

[mental grotto]

Taking Hugo’s word as gospel is stupid anyways because it’s not Hugo himself writing the story lol. There’s a whole team of writers for this shit he likely just oversees them and approves/disapproves

[slender night]

When you say that you don't have magic context bubbles appear

[hard thistle]

See and Hugo's talk on the themes of Doom I would say is very reliable and indicative of the creative direction. The actual details of the timeline is a bit more finicky; Hugo is answering a question about a game he made years before that interview, off the top of his head, with no resources to refer to.
It's not normal for a creative to just have all the answers in their head. They will often refer to design documents and timelines written to keep track of details. Hugo and the writers probably have something like that, but they don't carry it around with them everywhere they go.

[frail bloom]

Guys samuel's a naughty manager he needs a shpanking

[torpid crane]

didn't someone else direct and write 2016

[hard thistle]

Hugo helped write it but AFAIK he wasn't as in control. Someone else was main game director, he was only Creative Director IIRC.

[slender night]

No Hugo directed both games (according to Wikipedia at least)

[frail bloom]

No no I know but it did not answer the question at all when he was asked

[pulsar granite]

He has no guts thus he is immune to rip and tear

[slender night]

TAG 1 ending...

[hard thistle]

Correction: He was one of two directors for 2016, and the only director of Eternal.

[pulsar granite]

In his robot form he doesn't

[torpid crane]

oh the other one was marty

[frail bloom]

Farty

[pulsar granite]

That's why we can't kill him in 2016

[torpid crane]

I feel bad about that

[slender night]

It's still the same character so I'm counting it

[pulsar granite]

Fart with a B

[hard thistle]

Hugo has said blatantly wrong things before, too. His claim on Whiplashes was objectively incorrect, and his recent statement in that dev stream on Doomguy "going to Hell for killing things" was complete nonsense and does not align with multiple Codex entries in Eternal.
It's not because he's bad or stupid or whatever. He's just human lol.

[torpid crane]

I like Samuel's voice

[frail bloom]

Mhm

[pulsar granite]

Did he have guts as the seraphim?

Or just as Samur?

[hard thistle]

Humans are unreliable. You can't trust them. Art is very reliable, Eternal's story is concrete and you can take it at its word. You can tell it's not gonna change its mind because it can't, it's done and over with.

[slender night]

Seraphim is robotic still iirc so just as Samur

[frail bloom]

I'm not angry at him I'm angry at the situation it's gonna cause very soon

More confusion yipee

[torpid crane]

*except all the codexes from ancient gods 1 to 2
where they say
"fuck everything you just read, it was all a lie"

[pulsar granite]

yay -R steam

[slender night]

Everyone's always throwing shade at Hugo for being confusing and Marty for the Mick situation, but I've never seen anyone talk about how much of a copeful troll Willits was, he reportedly fucked over American McGee during Quake II with bad mapping advice just to get him fired lol

[torpid crane]

anyone know if theres a chance of doom dlc trailer at the xbox conference Sunday
or is that pretty squarely a much later thing

[hard thistle]

Eternal's story was not done and over with when TAG was still releasing. Now that the game is done and not being updated anymore, you can indeed take all of this at its word. You can understand that Eternal will never magically turn around and say "actually TAG1 was all correct and TAG2 was lying." It's set in stone.

[frail bloom]

who now I wasn't born yet lol

[mental grotto]

Lmao I did not know this

[slender night]

Too early, I think they'll be showing something else off. Wolf III maybe

[mental grotto]

American McGee was a mapper for the OG doom games. Not sure about willits

[torpid crane]

prob didn't help that carmack while a genius
was literally diagnosed as a sociopath in juvie

[pulsar granite]

Will there ever be a sequel to eternal or will all next doom games be prequels like tda

[frail bloom]

I think quakecon is gonna be a goodplace for tda dlc

[slender night]

Tim Willits, former studio director at id, did a lot of maps and game directing, even referenced in DOOM 2005

[mental grotto]

I believe they said it was possible that they’d do a sequel, don’t quote me on that though

[real crater]

i think it will be another while before anything about the dlc comes out because its only been 3 weeks since the actual game has come out

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-dwayne-johnson-hell-yeah-heck-yeah-yeah-gif-26501965

[frail bloom]

Hmmm

[slender night]

He directed RAGE so like even if I think the guy is mad for doing what he did, I would be lying if I said I hate his work

[pulsar granite]

Doom 2005 🔥 🔥 🔥

[torpid crane]

I think the next game will be one of 2 things

1. a horror game. following the trend of the evil dead movies
2. a more melee focused game with a focus on ripping and tearing

[slender night]

How about the fourth DOOM 1993 remaster

[pulsar granite]

A horror game, just like doom 3 let's go baby it would be fire

[slender night]

Bethesda HATES when you tell them to remaster something other than the OG DOOM trilogy

[torpid crane]

I would say a remake of doom 1 as a horror game would be cool but that's basically doom 3

[frail bloom]

I want a game on the late slayers testaments, been cookin up some ideas rn

[pulsar granite]

Although doom 3 takes place after doom 1993

[slender night]

Maybe my definition of remake is influenced by BM but I never saw D3 as a remake

[mental grotto]

Hugo did say there was a possibility of them doing a game where you play as a random marine and not the slayer. That would be perfect for a horror vibe

[vital rapids]

At face value, the creators say what the story is/isn’t and if the creators change it, whether through a great deal of work or because they feel like it in the moment one day on Twitch it’s changed, and we can go ahead and headcanon it if we disagree.

What’s this novel mono has written about id’s creation? I might like to give it a read

[pulsar granite]

Well doom 3 has some similar stuff, such as fighting hell knights before going to hell just like you fight 2 barons on 1993

[slender night]

Finally, more peak

[torpid crane]

execs would never approve it
not in a million years

[slender night]

There's similarities yes but calling it a remake just because of them feels like a stretch to me

[long sparrow]

No rip and tear?

[pulsar granite]

Can we get a game as sergeant Kelly

[frail bloom]

Guys the late slayers testaments would be perfect for a setting

[mental grotto]

Who knows, he said that he’d toyed around with the idea in the past. Not that it was a confirmation or anything

[slender night]

Wouldn't really be eventful

[frail bloom]

Just doomguy and demons

[slender night]

Doesn't the guy just give you orders, turn into a very bizarre boss and die?

[pulsar granite]

Yeah

Well maybe before doom 3 yk

[slender night]

I don't think an invasion happened before it

[pulsar granite]

And we don't really see what happens during the invasion other than him giving orders

[slender night]

True but I don't know how much material you'd get there. Another sidequel would be cool

[pulsar granite]

Maybe a game where you play as the bodyguard with the bfg he was called Campbell iirc

[torpid crane]

I would very much like to know what the fuck happened between 2016 and eternal

[pulsar granite]

True, like how tf did he get the fortress of doom

[slender night]

That could be dope but only as a minigame tbh

[frail bloom]

Nah give me slayers testaments

[torpid crane]

they said they were gonna explain it in dlc
then a comic
then they said fuck it

[frail bloom]

I'd rather have a comic tbh

[pulsar granite]

Well they could make new levels after all since we don't know where the dudes went

Ofc they died but I mean during the invasion

[vital rapids]

@frail bloom did you mean literally a novel? If so, what’s the name so I can check it out?

[pulsar granite]

You see them fucking around and destroying shit during doom 3

[slender night]

We do know though, we constantly see him throughout the game, all I can really think about here is an escort mission minigame

[torpid crane]

its a 14 year gap
I think the idea of a melee focused game where the tether broke or lost all your weapons would be really cool
abd you only get the regular shotgun at the end

[frail bloom]

No it's like a lore guide m0no has it on his description

[hard thistle]

1. I wrote a novel-sized guide to Doom's lore, not about id Software.
2. The argument is moreso about why we should accept random comments devs say as factual if they contradict the games.

[pulsar granite]

Well not really constantly as the only times I can remember are them trying to get root access, another destroying a command and another running away

[frail bloom]

Yall are missing out

[pulsar granite]

On what

[slender night]

You might be right, I haven't played D3 in a bit

[hard thistle]

The guide I wrote is a PDF in my bio, but you should be warned it's outdated and I'm in the process of updating it. The outdated version is about 250 pages - the updated version I'm writing is, so far, 283.

[frail bloom]

Can't say, but you'll like it

[pulsar granite]

Chat can I copy that a bunch of times and make a zip bomb?

[pulsar granite]

Ayo

This better not be thira related stuff again

[vital rapids]

Cool. I’ll follow Samir’s advice and check out your lore guide. I won’t get into the other argument because respectfully I would always look to the creators for canon, obviously, but there appears to be more to this. Need more data, will find it

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313873565145235506/1379911141479813291/image.png?ex=6841f5e5&is=6840a465&hm=9feca8e4bfc0a5eba609b61ec13aaa701d498b62b991b36fee4207fe0e6aea83&
Happy to say I finally finished the Cosmic Realm section other than the Dreadmace and Chainshot.

[pulsar granite]

This is insane zip bomb material

Imagine someone unzipping the file and getting their pc blasted by doom lore

[normal oriole]

Did a run without a shield on Nightmare, Ahzrak seems impossible to beat, anyone have any tips?

[hard thistle]

There is no need for respect or not, I am just a nerd on the internet who has a special interest in Doom lore. None of you are under any obligation to follow what I say or give a shit about it, or prefer my words over Hugo's. I don't write this stuff for attention or to feel right, I do it because it's fun and it helps clear up misinfo.

[frail bloom]

bruh NOOOO

[hard thistle]

The argument re: ignoring Hugo is not on the basis of "listen to me instead!" Moreso it's "I think the game itself is more reliable than dev comments and I'm Sisyphus rolling up a boulder hoping I won't keep seeing people claim the Slayer can punch a Titan to death because Hugo joked about it online like 8 years ago."

[pulsar granite]

Was it?

[vital rapids]

Well, it’s always good to have people who want to learn and act as caretakers of consistency for lore, and put time and effort into doing so, so respect is given for that nonetheless 👍

[frail bloom]

No dude, not even close

[pulsar granite]

Then tell me what it is

[frail bloom]

Yap alert, are yu ready

Uh yes or no

[pulsar granite]

Yes

[frail bloom]

Alright:

I've wanted to play a doomgame that takes place during the slayers time in hell after the deag priests betrayal. It would take place exclusively on hell, and have yu go against several bosses mentioned in the codex like the balgaar and champion titan. Bc these events are so far apart, the game would have multiple timeskips. The enemies would be very 2016 in tone and style, like the hellknights. There would also be some new enemies like the hell hound, Nephelim and the harvester. The gameplay would mix both tda and eternal with weapon mods having upgrade trees and the ability to quickswitch after a parry(although the project I'm doing now isn't dependent on that)
Here are some examples:
#artwork message
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My favorite enemy to make is gonna be the nephelim no doubt

They replace "titans"

[finite sequoia]

I don’t think I can actually beat ultra nightmare normally I genuinely felt sick to my stomach and was panicking the whole time I need advice

[frail bloom]

Bro dissapeared
I took too long

Guys don't yap it's a bad habit

[kindred shale]

What is this

[celest oyster]

Am trying to by a trial in fire lol.

Truth be told having to be greatly aware of my surroundings does make things difficult at times. Fathest I've gotten in Ultra Nightmare is the encounter before the leader fight on Hebeth

[frail bloom]

Some project I've been working on

[kindred shale]

I got to the barracks then died to a bug and just closed the game

[pulsar granite]

Interesting

[pulsar granite]

No I read it, I just went away one sec

[celest oyster]

Barracks? I forgot what level that is

[frail bloom]

Yup, there yu go

[celest oyster]

Trying to formulate a plan for what to upgrade and such along the way ngl

[kindred shale]

The one right after the atlan section

[pulsar granite]

Kekw pyramid

[celest oyster]

Ah. Oh yeah, the mission that introduces the Vagary

[frail bloom]

It was Intentional

The thing is, the game might not have a shield, it depends if he had it or not
@hard thistle did the slayer still have his shield after the deag betrayel where he fought in hell for eons or is that unknown

[hard thistle]

Totally unknown.

[celest oyster]

But yeah. Tbh. Game plan for me with the run is

Learn to use the other weapons for each situation, find as many secrets as possible for gold and upgrades. Idk, just trying to plan out and train my methods

[frail bloom]

Welp, there's nothing going against it

Shield it is then!!!

[torpid crane]

why is the icon of sin so much bigger in 2016 than eternal

[hard thistle]

he's not in 2016

[twilit pumice]

Yeah, not quite sure why some see you as a doom lore messiah, M0no. When really you're just another passionate nerd like us.

People be acting like you snuffed argent enegry and have the knowledge of the father. Lol

[hard thistle]

Well, I've been here for a pretty long time now and Doom lore's kind of hard to parse, so when some guy comes along with a guide that explains all of it in simple terms you'll feel encouraged to just take him at his word so you don't have to hurt your brain thinking about it.

I've been that way talking to people who know more about Resident Evil than me, as a huge RE fan, for example.

[kindred shale]

Wait ur making a game?

Or is it just mod

[frail bloom]

Ye dude I got special permission from hugo

Gonna be the best game ever trust

[kindred shale]

Classic doom style?

[frail bloom]

Nah dude I'm just drawing a bunch of concepts lol, the best I can do is make an animation afterwards to tell it but I have to finish this first, and then ask m0no a billion questions abt the slayers testaments

Sorry m0no

I won't ask now tho

[stoic sleet]

@hard thistle do you think that in dlc we will get a new armour design?

[hard thistle]

Probably not, personally.

[vital rapids]

without context it can look strange to see someone saying the creators are wrong, that's all. Having seen some context, it is a lot less strange

[stoic sleet]

Mono has the power of the father

[vital rapids]

Really hope so. Something a bit more interesting than skins

[stoic sleet]

Forever a mono glazer

[dry hill]

Finally finished the game, the ending was fucking amazing

[warped sun]

guys I broke the game

[dry hill]

Lol, how?

[vital rapids]

Grats!

[dry hill]

Thanks

[warped sun]

Im going through my first save 100%ing it and im on chapter 5, I destroyed all 4 of the hell ships and the gate isnt opening

I tried restarting from checkpoint but it still wont open 😭

[stoic sleet]

Am i going insane or was there 5?

[warped sun]

Im pretty sure there was 4, im not seeing anymore at least I went around the entire map

[honest vortex]

Wait why would we?

[long sparrow]

[stoic sleet]

The slayer most likely experimented to see what armours and guns suited him best

Like i know theres no lore readon for losing the shield but theres a high chance that as he and demons got stronger, the shield just slowed him down

[honest vortex]

Truth

[dry hill]

I loved every second of it

[warped sun]

I think I broke it by bringing down all of the ships then going back to destroy them or something lol, thats the only thing I did differently

[errant pagoda]

Yeah, 4 ships, 3 topside, 1 behind a tentacle monster, you bring them down then land and destroy each from inside, the gate should open then, weird it didn't.

[warped sun]

Oof, do I have to complete the mission to save all the secrets I went back and got 😭

[errant pagoda]

Alternatively you can do the speedrun route.

they pass the barrier from underneath at a specific spot

watch just about any recent any% speedruns of tda

[warped sun]

Ill check it out thanks!! If not ill just have to redo the level but thats fine by me 😁

[twilit pumice]

I used to be a big fan of RE lore.
Nowadays, I kinda don't care anymore.
RE5 is where I stop caring.
Story just feels like it's in perma limbo

[obtuse chasm]

I did a nightmare run, didn't find odd glitches or sudden deaths

[twilit pumice]

Wanna know something cool that prolly shouldn't be a thing?

[frail bloom]

#artwork message
@harsh egret

[small wren]

Hello. I know the achievement is bugged, but is there any news on the "berserker" achievement? It's the last one I'm missing, even though I bought all the upgrades...

[half plaza]

a patch is coming soon

[small wren]

is the patch date known?

[graceful lion]

sometime this month

[small wren]

Ok thanks

[scenic lichen]

did hugo say anything important in last nights stream?

like any word on future patches, tunables, etc?

[solemn matrix]

Chapter 12 on Ultra Nightmare 🙂 Halfway!!!

[hollow sandal]

Holy fuck

[solemn matrix]

I do like 2 or 3 a day

[twilit pumice]

I'm most curious about the rocket launcher's cannibalism working with Grenade launcher.

Cuz that is a thing atm that most still aren't aware of

Just need to parry with your rocket launcher then swap over to your grenade launcher.

Need to keep parrying with your rocket launcher to keep up the passive.

Was working last time I had Mayo, M1, and caffeinated to try it out

[twilit pumice]

@slim crypt @honest vortex @hard thistle
Have you guys tried this?

[hollow sandal]

Wait you're saying cannibalism will work on grenade launcher?

[twilit pumice]

Yep

Was working last time I tried it and had others to try it too

[hollow sandal]

I wonder if Hugo knows about it

Hugo pleewaaase 😭

[twilit pumice]

Nah, let him figure it out. Lmao

[hollow sandal]

Nah, Facts. I was saying for him to leave it

[shell gull]

is there no way i can play dark ages without an RTX????

[hollow sandal]

As well as shield bash quick swap, I wonder if he'll patch these out

[frail bloom]

Ye play classic doom lol

[shell gull]

serious tho is there no way u can play it?

[hollow sandal]

There is a way. But idk how

Lemme remember who InHere was able to do it

[shell gull]

on steam

i aint spending hundreds to play a game that looks worse than eternal

[hollow sandal]

@pulsar granite <-- this guy knows, I think

[frail bloom]

It doesn't look worse if yu actually have the specs to run it but ok

[indigo jolt]

lol people are talking about deltarune over this game

[hollow sandal]

Source?

[frail bloom]

If yu prefer artstyle that is one thing, but this game has objectively better and more impressive graphics

[indigo jolt]

go to gaming servers in general especially rpg channels

[dark thunder]

lost my un run cause my fuckin shield bugged out and wasn't working

[shell gull]

then how tf can u launch the game on the xbox app without an RTX

[stoic sleet]

I still prefer the plain rocket launcher ngl

[delicate grotto]

Gee, an RPG channel is talking about a popular, upcoming RPG

[hollow sandal]

Yea I seen that happen to someone before actually

[hollow sandal]

No upgrades?

[stoic sleet]

Yeah

[real lynx]

NGL I think the cycler needs a buff

[hollow sandal]

Finally someone sees

[hard thistle]

I think the game needs a buff

[real lynx]

It should apply shock quicker and hold charge longer. Its kinda tricky to ramp it up which makes it a bit situational

[frail bloom]

What does that have to do with what I'm talking abt, without rtx yu can only run it for abt 30, idk how but it's possible, this game is built with raytracing, removing it changes the way it is lit or even functions. Point is, this game has better lighting, more expansive maps and more enemies on screen. If yu prefer eternal's artstyle I am totally fine with that, but this game is more impressive period

[hollow sandal]

Exactly

[real lynx]

Its difficult to keep the ball rolling.

[hollow sandal]

My guy knows

[frail bloom]

It already got a buff bro wants buffx2

[real lynx]

Vs the accelerator that builds charge just from firing and holds it for a long time with megacell

[frail bloom]

Maybe for dlc

[graceful lion]

the game absolutely has far better lighting and visuals than eternal, gore too

[real lynx]

(Heat blast should be a keybind like in eternal)

[frail bloom]

Thank yu

[graceful lion]

you barely need to spend a hundred for a gpu to play the game lol, a 2060 non super plays it just fine

[real lynx]

TDA looks amazing. Its gonna be one of the bsst looking games out when PT drops

[graceful lion]

and also, raytracing was introduced in fucking 1968, its about time this happens

[delicate grotto]

You’re blind if you think Doom Eternal looks better graphically than Doom: The Dark Ages.

[real lynx]

I have no gripes with RTX at this point, I just hate framegen

[graceful lion]

like even without raytracing the game's gonna run like shit on very low end stuff

[stoic sleet]

The accelaerator is definely most underrated, moreso than the combat shotgun

[hard thistle]

eternal n tda look pretty much the same

[graceful lion]

unlesss you forcefully make the image look like garbage

[graceful lion]

u blind bro what are you on about

[real lynx]

The accelerator is better than the cycler and outputs some of the highest dps in the game. Shock with heaven splitter/gauntlet/cycler -> melt with accelerator

[graceful lion]

the lighting alone is a day and night difference. its not even a competition

[delicate grotto]

I don’t see the use for the Accelerator at all. At least the Shredder has some unique features tied to the shield. The Accelerator is literally a worse Cycler with a worse set of upgrades.

[hard thistle]

I said what I said

[graceful lion]

what you said is objectively wrong

[stoic sleet]

The shredder is an insanely op weapon tho

[hard thistle]

Bait used to be believable

[graceful lion]

fr

[real lynx]

You aren't using it right. The accelerator isn't meant for fodder. Its for single target melting

[hard thistle]

Holy shit, "objectively" used ... correctly? In this economy?

[real lynx]

Which it does incredibly well

[hard thistle]

saw no difference

[graceful lion]

look at the lighting, then come back

[stoic sleet]

Im objectively stronger than omni man with physical strength

[graceful lion]

now i go to sleep, yall are tripping

[hard thistle]

If it looks the same to you, that's on ya.
If you think it's a fact that they look the same, that's objectively wrong.

[shell gull]

it isnt a joke when they require 300 pound+ RTX cards to play a game which is worse than eternal?

[hard thistle]

the lighting is different yeah, so?

[delicate grotto]

Well I haven’t used it at all lmao.
I used it once through a level, looked at the upgrades and never touched it again.

[frail bloom]

Here's the thing. Now that they introduced raytracing, the next game they make will not require as big of a jump as eternal to tda as raytracing is kinda the thing that made the specs higher. But since they optimized everything around it, they can have even more enemies and larger maps with more dynamic and interactive enviroments now that the tech has been pushed for lighting

[graceful lion]

u mean 110 pound or so?, a 2060 non super?

[real lynx]

You gotta give it a chance bro its cracked

[delicate grotto]

It’s not bad, but it certainly is less viable than any other gun.

[frail bloom]

Whether it's worse or not is up to yu when u finish it

[graceful lion]

these people i swear, they just say shit sometimes

[stoic sleet]

“I dont use this weapon its ass” “have you tried it more than once?” “No because its ass”

[delicate grotto]

Well, maybe other than the shotgun.

[graceful lion]

anyways, 2 people added to my block list as they are clearly not worth arguing with, now i sleep

[real lynx]

I find the shredder to be the weakest weapon in the game. I only ever use it to kill lost souls. It isn't bad, but it feels outclassed

[stoic sleet]

Badically most weapon opinions in this game

[hard thistle]

I don't think any weapon is ass, I just think Super shotgun outruns most if not all of em

[stoic sleet]

Dude the shredder is CRACKED

Is base fire dps is strong enough and then pincushion

[delicate grotto]

I used it throughout an entire level. It wasn’t fun. It’s not bad, like I said, but in terms of its function there are better options. Same goes for the Pulverizer.

[frail bloom]

No it's an S- weapon, there are better weapons but it's based on your skill level

[real lynx]

Pincushion is decent. Ricochet is mediocre

[frail bloom]

for supershotgun

It just has bad range

[delicate grotto]

I use Ricochet because it looks cool

[stoic sleet]

Atp why even use other weapons all u need is the ssg and ball and chain

[real lynx]

SSG is a great all rounder for dealing with heavies. Not amazing for bosses but it puts in work everywhere else. The best weapon in the game is probably salvage impaler

[stoic sleet]

Nah

Impaler gets worse as you get farther in ive noticed

[real lynx]

If you are parrying and landing headshots it does good DPS and the wraithstone upgrade is great for melee combos, especially with the dreadmace

[delicate grotto]

Half of the weapons I use in this game are because of the cool factor alone lmao

[stoic sleet]

By the time u get dreadmace the ravager can solo the game

[stoic sleet]

Js saying

[real lynx]

Even after the nerf the ravager is still so good that's true

[stoic sleet]

The ravager is probably the best weapon

[delicate grotto]

Highest DPS

[frail bloom]

Guys any weapon can solo the game it's based on your playstyle and what yu like

[stoic sleet]

I hope they keep it op, I like it that way

[frail bloom]

It mixes with your shield, yu do the rest

[real lynx]

Probably, but the movement speed nerf means I don't like using it against anything that isn't a boss

Technically the best weapon is the BFC....

[stoic sleet]

Its good enough for me without the nerf

[delicate grotto]

Btw can you destroy the Arachnotron’s gun in this game? I haven’t tried but I’m curious. Just wondering.

[real lynx]

Don't think so

[stoic sleet]

I use the buff that removes speed nerf on ravager

[stoic sleet]

I wish i could, arachnatrons and cyberdemons fast turrets are my opp

[real lynx]

You lose out on a lot of DPS with ignition. Slow burn melts when ramped

[delicate grotto]

Interesting. Although it’d be unnecessary given how easily you can stomp them in.

[frail bloom]

I don't think so, which is weird cuz it looked like they were gonna have them according to the dev direct

[delicate grotto]

Yeah the hitscan is annoying lol. Honestly I hate the Chaingunners the most

[real lynx]

FUCK CHAINGUNNERS

EVIL ENEMG

[frail bloom]

Smt changed tho

[stoic sleet]

Ive noticed that the change in parry windows is reallt significant

[delicate grotto]

They made them almost as bad as Doom 2’s

[stoic sleet]

On mightmare with the bade nightmare parry window the games pretty easy

[hard thistle]

I always hated plutonia's chaingunners the most

[stoic sleet]

But with the level under base nightmare parry window I get fucked so bad

[real lynx]

I wish the pulverizer was better

[oak temple]

Watching Hugo play Doom 2 makes you realise how TDA plays more like classic Doom than 2016 and Eternal

[delicate grotto]

For some attacks definitely.
Stone Imp roll
Stalker Imp melee
All Aggadon attacks

[frail bloom]

He had to show an example bc there are some ppl who take his statements to the bone(way too literally)

[real lynx]

I dislike how inconsistent parry windows feel

[delicate grotto]

I play on the tightest parry window, it’s fun

[frail bloom]

Same

[stoic sleet]

Also azhrak is so hard to get used to after parrying normal enemy attacks for so long

[oak temple]

Too many Eternal fans think thats how Doom has always played

[real lynx]

One day I'll do a minimum parry 500% damage run

[oak temple]

Eternal plays more like UT than actual classic Doom

[hard thistle]

Ballsty

Also gonna do the same settings raitro did?

[stoic sleet]

Also ur only allowed to use combat shotgun

[delicate grotto]

Yeah it could use some fine tuning, there’s a couple attacks that go through your parry sometimes, especially when the game speed exceeds 100%.
Usually ground and melee attacks.

[real lynx]

Doable but boring

[frail bloom]

And classic doom fans who can't register the fact that the game actually takes the most inspiration from classic doom and can still have it's own mechanics to make it stand out

[hard thistle]

bruh

[frail bloom]

PARRYING, IN MY DOOM GAME, NOOOOOO

[stoic sleet]

No upgrades and shit to ANYTHING, ONLY take forced health and ammo and shield upgrades and allat

[hard thistle]

Raitro did the max difficulty run, took him almost 50 hours. This is a guy who beat D2016 on Nightmare and also did some ultra nightmare challenge runs

[delicate grotto]

My first playthrough was tightest parry window, 120% game speed on NM. Dude kicked my ass at first. Super fun boss tho

[wheat sigil]

doing a perfectly timed parry (parrying same frame as you're supposed to take damage) will make you take damage even when you parried

[stoic sleet]

Raitros a superhuman tho

[real lynx]

150% speed fucks with the pacing too much imo

[hard thistle]

He is absolutely, but even this broke his sanity lol

[real lynx]

I'm decent enough. I did nightmare in 2016 and eternal

[hard thistle]

scrambled ahh dialogue

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I hope that’s fixed. I feel a perfect parry should reward players not punish them lol

[wheat sigil]

yea

[real lynx]

Not good enough for UN tho

[stoic sleet]

I hate that

[hard thistle]

I consider myself 'up to my own expectations' lol
I beat 2016 on nightmare without glitches or exploits

[stoic sleet]

Especially when 2 enemy projectiles are at JUST BARELY the worst distances possible

[real lynx]

2016 imps on nightmare are so busted

[wheat sigil]

i consider myself "can always improve more"

[delicate grotto]

Sniper Imps

[hard thistle]

they are and are awful to deal with in early game but after level 3 doom 2016 in nightmare is not so bad

[stoic sleet]

I beat tag1 on nightmare

[stoic sleet]

And horde mode on nightmare

[real lynx]

Once you get health and armor yeah

[hard thistle]

Once you have Siege mode, SSG max'd and the BFG with Ammo Rune max, 2016 on Nightmare is not too bad. And yeah get that health to 200 asap

[stoic sleet]

Those are my best 2 achievements in doom

[willow beacon]

UN it you got this

[stoic sleet]

And not to flex but i beat tag1 on nightmare easily

[real lynx]

Rich get richer mobile turret spam

[stoic sleet]

Nah im not going back to eternal

[willow beacon]

But it’s light work

[wheat sigil]

ion really have any specific cool achievement, i just rely on good gameplay lol

[stoic sleet]

My console controller would cry and not enough ps5 storage

[hard thistle]

Meanwhile I'm currently doing a Pistol-only run on Doom 2016, on Hurt Me Plenty (thinking of eventually lowering it to ITYTD, I already changed it to that for one section ) and it is joyless in places, it made me want to play nightmare regular again lol

[stoic sleet]

And again eternal is 509x worse on console

[willow beacon]

Hey you said yourself it was easy

[wheat sigil]

nah, it isn't

[stoic sleet]

Yeah I know

[hard thistle]

Eternal on console is fine
I was actually doing all rounds on horde mode recently again, this time Hurt Me Plenty, and I made it through in one sitting. Great stuff

[delicate grotto]

Eternal remains the easiest modern Doom game to me, as a console player.

[real lynx]

I can't imagine playing doom (or any game tbh) on controller

[stoic sleet]

It is definitely completely harder, not every player is smvr

[real lynx]

Eternal was the hardest by far for me

[stoic sleet]

Eternal is the only one where Ive had a bad time ngl

[hard thistle]

I grew up with console games so opposite for me, never had a high-end gaming PC

[willow beacon]

Maybe harder to learn quick swapping or something but once you learn it then it’s almost the same

[stoic sleet]

Its eternals higher difficulties

Its rlly easy on hmp or uv

[proud mirage]

In Chapter 20 i beat all the main objectives and need to reach Serat. However i seem to be unable to get the blue key because the switch under water near there cant be toggled (probably already did it) and the gate that it opens is closed (that you need for unlock blue key)
this mission ugged?

[real lynx]

I started with console but switched to PC when j was like 12 and never looked back

[wheat sigil]

some stuff is nicer to do on console

[willow beacon]

It’s really not a big difference

[delicate grotto]

I still regularly die playing TDA. Granted, with sliders, but still.

In Eternal I completed an UN run after 1 NM run lol.

[stoic sleet]

I guess quickswapping between 2 weapons is easier on console

[real lynx]

TDA doesn't feel that hard. I died a lot on my first run but that's because I was experimenting and not trying that hard

[stoic sleet]

The dark ages is easy ngl

[real lynx]

Most of the time I clear levels without a single death

[stoic sleet]

Overall the dark ages is easy

Usually i die from overconfidence

[frail bloom]

Yu guys probably use the bfg when there's a komodo

[stoic sleet]

I did not indeed, get that dreadmace hit

[real lynx]

Overextending will ruin your day

[stoic sleet]

Ew no i barely use bfg

[delicate grotto]

It’s not that hard, I had the same issue, but I dunno, I think the lack of verticality makes it a lot more punishing than Eternal.
You also can’t recuperate as easily in this game.

[flint fossil]

I grew up with consoles then moved to PC in 2013 when I was 30, so I can't play wihtout a controller XD

[frail bloom]

HUGO GIVE THEM THE 3 KOMODO SPECIAL

[stoic sleet]

I use bfg if im like “nah fuck these shield chaingunners”

[willow beacon]

Yea eternal is really easy to restack in

[stoic sleet]

THAT WOULD BE PEAK

[real lynx]

On the flip side the lack of verticality and weapon swapping means you can focus on other stuff

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/planet-of-the-apes-caesar-no-gif-9726913691316398235

[wheat sigil]

true, but you can run around the arena for 10 minutes shooting fodder with the CSG to restack fully

[stoic sleet]

Fortunately dreadmace fucks up shit

[real lynx]

I only use the bfc as the fuck off panic button

[flint fossil]

same

[stoic sleet]

I use the bfc only as a fuck off button just when im like “but dont want to :(“

[errant pagoda]

Big Fukup Correcter

[hard thistle]

I only use Ballistic Force Crossbow in like, extreme scenarios on Nightmare mode to clear out hordes, not for exclusive komodos.
And on Ultra Violence I don't think I ever used it at all outside of one short section

[flint fossil]

lol

[delicate grotto]

True and true, but there’s a lot more going on at once in TDA, versus the last two games, in my experience.

[stoic sleet]

Wait hold up tornado of souls solo is hitting in

[delicate grotto]

Wonderful

[real lynx]

The hardest part of the game is probably enhanced asscrack

[delicate grotto]

I did that once for the Cosmic Baron challenge. Kill 2 within 10 seconds of each other.

Fuck that lol

[stoic sleet]

NO WAY ❗️😱 AN ACTUALLY HARD DOOM BOSS 😱😱

[real lynx]

The old one fight is way too easy

[wheat sigil]

hardest part is having the attention span to restack properely

[stoic sleet]

I got it first try on accident

[hard thistle]

Enhanced asscracker was no joke

[delicate grotto]

Him and Samur are the only challenging Boss fights in the franchise imo.

Actually, maybe the Mother Demon too but she just sucks ass if you’re not prepared.

[stoic sleet]

I was just like “that dreadmace killed it that fast?”

[real lynx]

Dreadmace so op

[flint fossil]

Same here, tho I dont know how I did it

[delicate grotto]

It is

[hard thistle]

I never used dreadmace much on playthrough 1 because I was so far into upgrading my gauntlets and didn't wanna switch

[stoic sleet]

I am going to cry if they nerf dreadmace

[real lynx]

The gauntlet is actually really good

[stoic sleet]

Please dont remove my glorious dreadmace

[delicate grotto]

This game needs some major balance changes to be fair

[hard thistle]

Fist fights are nice in games

[stoic sleet]

But dont nerf the dreadmace

[delicate grotto]

But it’s kind of part of the fun having an OP as shit arsenal

[stoic sleet]

Remove the ssg from the game for all i care but DONT NERF THE DREADMACE

[keen blaze]

The new Vagary is literally that red dude from Treasure Planet

[delicate grotto]

I love the SSG in this game

[stoic sleet]

Grass is green

[flint fossil]

I should gaive that dreadmace an other try, I am not a fan of it

[real lynx]

I think most of the OP outliers have been adjusted to a good spot. Rn I think they need to focus in the under performers

[stoic sleet]

It just either one hits or lowers everythings hp to like 1

And they also give u 2 hits in an upgrade

[wheat sigil]

why? then you're just increasing the sliders to compensate

[hard thistle]

No problem for me

[wheat sigil]

and if you don't compensate and rock with everything just dying, then you could just make the sliders easier and have a balanced arsenal

[hard thistle]

sliders exist to be used

[stoic sleet]

They should just give the flail and fists better stun

[wheat sigil]

issue is that the sliders become too little with a very unbalanced arsenal

and the biggest issue is the difference in power between weapons

[stoic sleet]

The dreadmace like 1 hits most heavies but the fists and gauntlets struggle to stun an imp stalker

[wheat sigil]

flail is free armor

[flint fossil]

thats why I like the flail

[proud mirage]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/3017860/discussions/0/599653450018525505/
Are you freaking kidding me......

so i have this

[real lynx]

They all do something. Gauntlet refreshes fast and applies shock so your guns hurt more. Flail gives armor and mace does crazy damage

[neon perch]

Flail is peak on fodder mobs.

[delicate grotto]

I meant in terms of creativity. Allowing players to feel badass with any weapon they choose. Like an FPS sandbox in a way. Similar to 2016.

But I would prefer more balanced utilities. Some of it is just ridiculous, like the Dreadmace.

Also I just think the game could use some encounter buffs in general. Hugo said he’s thinking of sprinkling in a couple more Imp Stalkers to keep players on their toes. I like that.

[neon perch]

One button press and they're all gone. Easy 50 armor.

[frail bloom]

The shock increases your damage so yu can stack damage with your plasma guns I think

[frail bloom]

Or they'll flay us alive in dlc

Absolutely skin us

[delicate grotto]

2 Komodos please

[frail bloom]

Yes and 3 rev's, 3 chaingunners and 3 lost souls

[delicate grotto]

Sounds wonderful

[frail bloom]

Immediate death

I love how all those 3 I mentioned are worthy of their classic counterparts

[delicate grotto]

Let’s make sure one of those Revs are a Champion too and empower the Komodos

[frail bloom]

Unlike the past games where they were just dumb pushovers

Those 3 live up to their name, especially in numbers

[delicate grotto]

I agree. Revs were finally done justice.

[wheat sigil]

i think the issue with that is that you'll just get a bunch of weapons with competing utility, and removing incentive to employ your entire arsenal removes a lot of expressiveness

[normal oriole]

just glitch through the gate

[delicate grotto]

Fair enough

[proud mirage]

doesnt work

[fresh copper]

help me doom the dark ages doesnt open from xbox it says sorry something went wrong for solutions go to a goofy link pls help

[twilit pumice]

Up until you hard focus into your HP and get the early secret gun locations.
I always focus into upping my HP then either go armor or ammo.

You can get plasma rifle and stun bomb on level 2

[astral ravine]

ngl, going back to the color scheme of the praetor suit in eternal compared to the dark ages made me realize how much I hated the bright green color

like, I like the color schemes of the praetor suit more in 2016, but the dark ages praetor suit color perfected it

[frail bloom]

Keep it to yourself then

Don't do it buuuut like what can I do

[frail bloom]

Ye it's more pastel and dark which imo is better than the murky swamp color

Well don't do it

Riight, now yu have that info stored in yur brain, have fun sleeping

Bro if yu keep talking yu might be banned

Just keep it to yurself lol

Don't get descriptive alr

[wheat sigil]

the server is not interested in your sexual fantasies ‼️

[frail bloom]

Mhm

[wheat sigil]

whether they're descriptive or not

[frail bloom]

Alr no more then

[wheat sigil]

whatevs you say bronc buster

[frail bloom]

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-external-doomguy-doom-slayer-raised-eyebrown-gif-24765324

[frail bloom]

Bruh my chest

[tough swan]

And the demon when the demon approached to the shotgun of doom slayer

[frail bloom]

No cuz I laughed real hard

C'mon now

[sterile cloak]

the Slayer have an official given height in D:TDA?

[stoic sleet]

Ok lets all shut up

[surreal sinew]

how do i report a bug?

[opal tusk]

https://help.bethesda.net/

[real crater]

5'9

[stoic sleet]

Why

Cant even check discord now

Smh, pathetic

Entire doom game out and ur bored (same)

[frail bloom]

Play some classic doom wads, just endless

[vital rapids]

Well demons don't get bored soldier

[stoic sleet]

(Im bored bcs I cant play the dark ages rn)

[frail bloom]

Oh