the-dark-ages

[dark thunder]

Slayer probably figured out they were false angels before everyone and then didnt say anything

it's just grim, the prospect of no afterlife

one could say

DOOM

[hard thistle]

There IS an afterlife. Hell

[dark thunder]

yeah

I meant real heaven OOPS

makes sense though the only afterlife in a game called DOOM is hell

Wonder if davoth hated humans so much that he DOOMED them

[shut whale]

I gotta ask which rune is powerful for the shield saw: tremor, swords, mini shoulder gun, or lightning

[dark thunder]

I like the lightning, but that's preference, the sword seem cool and very powerful

[open abyss]

I def am so far

[wild rose]

What happened to #spoilers?

[dark thunder]

are we cycler or accelerator gang

[honest vortex]

I really like how Accelerator works like the DOOM 2016 stun bomb....but spreads indefinitely if you keep killing before the effect wears off

[wild rose]

@hard thistle is Davoth a multiversal being?

Had someone in reddit say he created the multiverse

[honest vortex]

Wait no. I'm thinking of the Cycler

[hard thistle]

I don't really engage with powerscaling shit so I don't know what multiversal means.

Davoth might have created the Earthly Realms. Or the Father did. We don't know for sure.

[honest vortex]

Anyway case in point as to what I'm referring to:
https://youtu.be/KDWwja1_jKE?si=pZQFcgUPmtYGVQ3T

[wild rose]

The point is, he didn't create the multiverse?

[hard thistle]

Like I said, he may have created the Earthly Realms or he may not have. We do not know.

[wild rose]

So we can't affirm with sure. The dude mentioned that before he created stuff nothing existed

[keen shard]

er

[honest vortex]

Basically Cycler gang I guess

[low locust]

.

[delicate stirrup]

Keyword: say

[dark thunder]

yes i realize

[wild rose]

@hard thistle I guess all of this is a big bunch of BS, right?

"It is stated that he is the first being. He existed before everything. It is also stated that he can create dimensions at will infinite ones at that. If he can doo all that and is the first being to exist, then how are you to say that he didn't create everything and if he was the first, how could he have superiors."

Also what happened to the spoiler chat?

[delicate stirrup]

Imagine if the Vadrigars abducted TDA Doom Slayer or Thira.

[merry pumice]

i will marry the auto turret

[dark thunder]

Hugo implied there was a true god by the mysterious voice when the khan maykr dies

also i hate whiplash in tda

[gritty matrix]

Things got retconned so often not even ID know the lore anymore

[mental gate]

It means that person can either destroy a mulitverse, or can defeat characters who can

or has attack potency of a comperable level

[delicate stirrup]

I hate Kreed Makyr. He's a fat bastard.

[green thunder]

since the games been out for like 3 weeks? it was deleted

[hard thistle]

It is stated that he is the first being. The Cosmic Realm implies things existed before him though. And it is never said he can "create dimensions at will." This is bullshit.

Davoth almost certainly did not create the Cosmic Realm. It likely outdates him.

[foggy breach]

Mods ate it.

[delicate stirrup]

No Kreed Makyr ate it.

[fleet spruce]

damn he's really a fatass

[wild rose]

The first being in which world I would ask

[vagrant path]

What if the cosmic realm is simply another thing like the dreamlands from quake?

[honest vortex]

So I watched Act Man's review

[vagrant path]

I haven't played much quake just yet (I plan to though) but isn't there multiple dreamland dimensions?

[honest vortex]

He really thought Dark Ages ran out of tricks during the second half?

Wuuuut?

That's when the game exploded into something extraordinary

[vagrant path]

@hard thistle idk if quake lore is also your specialty but can you confirm or deny this with confidence?

[hard thistle]

I don't know much about Quake, sorry.

so there's no air control rune in the game right?

i'm almost near the story's ending and the movement in the air (or lack of) is driving me crazy

[dense garden]

👀

[hard thistle]

i don't in combat but when i'm exploring the world n jumping around it kinda sucks

[gritty matrix]

That's something I've read a lot and couldn't really understand. People said the game was dragging in the second half, I think from cosmic realm onward is when it gets good

[twilit pumice]

Yeah, I just saw the video. I haven't watched it, and kinda don't want to.
Especially after the last embarrassing " critique " of Doom TDA by Second Wind.
Is this another critique worth Mayo's attention? Lol

[gritty matrix]

I didn't really appreciate the fact they put all the bosses at the end, why they didn't have some mid game bosses.

Apart the first encounter with the vargar, that's great, but after it's just leader monsters. It's not the same as bosses.

[twilit pumice]

Check out LeChumQc on YouTube. He's covered Quake lore but I'm not sure you'll get exact answers for your curiosity.

@vagrant path
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7mnW62aS3PQb06_GOd9BdRHiFvFWFBZh&si=BQVv5VazGpzRhlZv

[heavy glacier]

First time doing any difficulty higher than ultra violence. challenging but fun, but my god those shadow monsters are gonna be the death of me 😭

[wheat sigil]

shield throw to make them visible

[heavy glacier]

Figured during my Ultra Violence campaign, I'm making it harder by 100% it since I almost did on my first try :3

[terse hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/tropic-thunder-playing-playing-another-dude-gif-13450753

[crude bridge]

27 hours in...I will not change my Steam review.

I will always have this as negative no matter how good it is.

[graceful lion]

5000 hours on the game
"this game sucks ass"

[crude bridge]

At this point, it's just to be special.

[honest vortex]

I mean I think the first half is good as well....but the second half is extra extra good

[honest vortex]

Mayo actually thought Act Man's criticisms were decent, even if he disagreed with them surprisingly

[honest vortex]

I don't care all that much about air control if I'm being totally honest here lmao

[crude bridge]

In terms of story? No. In terms of gameplay? Sure.

But the cosmic realm did overstay its welcome.

[honest vortex]

It's only 4 missions tho

[crude bridge]

At least we got to confirm that the DOOM Slayer can, in fact, kill Cthulhu.

[crude bridge]

It was just 4 missions?! It felt longer.

[graceful lion]

you see, the cosmic realm messes with its victims mentally

[graceful lion]

that is a far lesser being than cthulhu, he was also stripped of his chaotic divinity in the final bossfight

[wide siren]

My only gripe about the cosmic realm is that it felt somewhat superficial. I wish we were given more background for the witch and the creatures etc

[graceful lion]

doomguy would be frothing on the mouth if he even got close to cthulhu

[whole mural]

This it just complains about everything

He said the level design is repetitive

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages has the coolest melee shenanigans of any FPS:
https://youtu.be/DCvWU8nDGNA?si=uMoWkf1LO43gCk56

[graceful lion]

idk bro every level felt super different

[whole mural]

Exactly

[honest vortex]

It has significantly less repetitive level design than Eternal did. Yet he worships Eternal?

[whole mural]

Act man is just like asmogold

Terrible takes on everything

[honest vortex]

Eternal's got the most repetitive level design of the whole trilogy IMO.

But apparently that game was significantly better in level design than Dark Ages?

[graceful lion]

and in the first interaction the old one was braindead i guess, bro just ate him and gave him free access to his heart

[graceful lion]

we agree to disagree

[whole mural]

I loved the eldrich levels, the. Water in the walls was great

[whole mural]

No

[honest vortex]

He has a lot of good takes IMO, especially on Halo.

But his Dark Ages takes are.... weird

[whole mural]

The secrets in dark ages were great

[whole mural]

Don’t play halo do don’t know, I’ll take your word for it

I was saying no to the second half of his comment

Eternal was literally repetitive as hell

[honest vortex]

Oh I was questioning Act Man's logic.

Why does he worship Eternal's levels (when they're IMO the most repetitive level design in the modern trilogy by far) but thinks Dark Ages is very repetitive in levels (when it's the most varied and fleshed out levels of the trilogy by far)?

[whole mural]

Act man is just weird

If he’s ever played a classic doom he wouldn’t be saying dark ages has the most repetitive levels

Some classic doom levels are extremely repetitive

Not to mention 2016 having the same map twice

[honest vortex]

Eternal's just super incredibly linear levels with locked in arenas with tacked in hyper linear random floating walls they call "platforming" all day.

It doesn't really have much level design.

It does have combat and encounter design though

[whole mural]

Eternals graphics are buns, 2016 looks far better

[honest vortex]

Eternal does have a weird plastic toy PS3 game look to it, I can't explain it

[twilit pumice]

He's surprisingly one of the few critique youtubers who actually enjoys BlOps 4 zombies.

[whole mural]

Also 2016s music is far better, mick got to actually mix it and finish it all himself

[honest vortex]

2016 still looks next gen

[graceful lion]

i think its moreso that eternal's artstyle was gamey and cartooney

[whole mural]

It just doesn’t look good

[graceful lion]

like the artstyle really matters, if eternal was dark and gritty (more realistic, like 2016) people wouldve said it looks better

[whole mural]

I love not having glory kills, the only thing there should be a toggle for is the slow motion

[honest vortex]

2016 music is a lot angrier and more industrial. It was a lot rawer. It was just more badass and impactful

Eternal felt like it kept trying to make Djent jams I guess

[twilit pumice]

I honestly could do without Eternal's dissatisfing head pop. Why so cartoony?

[graceful lion]

you can just mod it in

[whole mural]

Eternals music was trash because mick never got to polish and mix it

It sounds terrible and unfinished

[twilit pumice]

If I was on PC, I would.
PS5

[honest vortex]

True. I do like Gladiator though atleast, and I used to like TOTTFIY before it got overplayed to hell and back

Cultist Base was pretty good too

[whole mural]

Also finishing move made a great ost for dark ages, the way it was used wasn’t good though

Id and Bethesda could have done a better job putting it in the game

It’s too quiet and too loud in some places

Or none at all, 100% the games fault not the musicians

[honest vortex]

I like gamey looking games..... I mean I love Nintendo games and the Classic DOOMS.

But the way Eternal did it, feels and looks very off to me. I can't put it to words. It's missing something

[whole mural]

I’m replaying doom 64 for the 100th time

It has the insane level design and secrets

Every single level is different

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages feels like it struck the perfect balance between Eternal's gameiness with 2016's dark foreboding intimidation and atmospheric sense of place

[whole mural]

^^^^^^^

Just give us a option to remove the slow motion and the games perfect

[honest vortex]

True. Out of the vanilla classic DOOMs. 64 is by far my favorite.

But mods and WADs, make DOOM II my favorite of the classic games overall

[whole mural]

Yeah doom 1 and 2 are bar better for modding

[honest vortex]

True. I love the melee system and combos, but hate the slow mo

[whole mural]

Also if you didn’t know there’s a brutal doom 64

It is so good

[honest vortex]

I'm replaying 2016 on Nightmare and wow Kadingir Sanctum is still peak AF

[whole mural]

Second best level

Argent tower is my favourite, it’s level design is really good and has bfg division as the levels ost

[honest vortex]

I'm currently on Argent Facility (Destroyed) on my replay. Which is one of my favorite levels

[whole mural]

That’s the repetitive level

[honest vortex]

I love Argent Tower..I think it's the coolest platforming based level in a DOOM game

[honest vortex]

I thought it was a better and cooler version of the first Argent Facility level IMO

Also more atmospheric due to the destruction and going to more interiors that you couldn't go to in the first Argent Facility

My least favorite level is The UAC

[whole mural]

True

The first time I played argent facility I got stuck for 30 minutes and had to resort to rewatching Markipliers play though

[whole mural]

I didn’t really like the foundry, great idea but the Lava area is a classic doom type death pit

One your in it your dead

[final dune]

Hey guys i need the punch sfx and the footstep sfx for this game for a project im working on. Does anyone have any files?

[gusty raft]

Did xbox series s graphics get fixed

[dark depot]

Devs gotta buff auto turret rune, maybe increase range and recharge time. Damage seems fine, but it’s less useful than other runes

[sharp moat]

personally im not a fan of the melee where doom guy gets knocked back

The impact is more of an illusion rather than my hands actually are going into the enemy

its like the demon is made of trampolines

[honest vortex]

I'm guessing you're saying that because you return to the same location as an earlier level. 😂

[graceful lion]

i kinda like siege, its a well done "repetitive" level

in siege 1 you go through the place, and it looks completely perfect, you see people fixing the shit u will use and stuff

and in siege 2, it feels, very interesting, you are seeing the same place you were in, but corrupted and destroyed by hell's forces

[sharp moat]

Tbh i find Doom 1993 and Doom 64 good level design i wish was studied more

I really want more “flow” in the level

[whole mural]

Turn on empowered attacks, it stops the demons interrupting your melee

It makes such a difference

[sharp moat]

Well i mean the animation where you hit a demon and doom guy does like a bounce back

[whole mural]

Oh

That’s more of the slow motion I think, I’ve seen a mod that removes the slow motion and it looks way smoother

[sharp moat]

i just find the kicks and punches personally not that impactful. I like the audio sure but like after playing a lot of it with the slow mo and the animation it feels awkward

When he hits with a melee it makes more sense vs when he punches and kicks

but like i wish the flail actually penetrated the demon

Like when u hit a squishy bit, the flail should get grappled on to it

If it was a sword, sure its more believable because most games prefer slashing. But bashing is completely different

When doom guy kicks, my foot should at least try to dig into the demon or at least they should be the one knocked back not both of us

[empty sable]

Sounds like you just want to penetrate some demons 🤣

Where's a succubus when you need one?

[sharp moat]

i have a lot of complaints but it doesnt mean i dislike the game.

[sharp moat]

I just dont agree with a lot of the ideas for the sake of “well its cool”

[empty sable]

Even though I prefer Dark Ages I do miss some of the finishers with the doomblade.

[thin zinc]

one thing i wish the game had was more narrow hallway fights like this. just fighting your way down a narrow pass through hundreds of enemies. hopefully the dlc

[sharp moat]

Like if this game wins GOTY, personally i feel its more like a handicap win. Not saying Doom Eternal is the definitive identity of doom. But more so as a video game its good, TDA has faults imo that are more obvious

[thin zinc]

i love dark ages, but i can point out several faults for sure. cant point out many in eternal

[sharp moat]

i can name a lot for eternal

[graceful lion]

tda is a great game, but not a goty game, after playing it

definitely my favorite outta the 3, but not a goty winner

[final dune]

Guys i really need the footstep and punch sfx for this game

[empty sable]

It might end up being my personal GOTY, but I don't see it being GOTY. It's too old school even with the added melee, it feels like an old school beat'em up or even hack-and-slash that got blended with FPS.

[graceful lion]

nominee, maybe, but not winner

[sharp moat]

Like i disagree with the melee design. I think for a feature many were excited for, i found it disappointing

[thin zinc]

i think some of the map designs are too repetitive with the 3 points you have to go fight. i think a lot of the secrets are bad and not even really secrets. you just walk in a room sometimes. the dragon combat is just weird and dumb. dodge to break a shield? i think the story is generic and i like the past games ways of passively telling the stories more. it needs a horde mode. needs a bunch of skins you can unlock. but overall i really love it and think it's maybe the most fun doom ever.

[sharp moat]

“This is how u get ammo, this is how u do this and that”

Like its not to me a real melee weapon

[empty sable]

I disagree. I loved the combat. Still, I'm curious disappointed in what ways? Less finishers or just more penetration like you said?

[sharp moat]

A real melee weapon in a doom game wouldnt be on cool down or need ammo. This would be a basic weapon u would use when ammo isnt an option and diff class of melee weapon would be so fun to dig into and different glory kills to explore

[thin zinc]

i think doom eternal was too complex for some poeple. i heard a lot of complaining when that came out too, how differnent it was from 2016. i have a friend who is a massive doom fan, and he never got halfway through eternal. it just was too much for him. (he has very slow thumbs) 🙂

[empty sable]

More of a purist for the FPS. I get it. I loved how they blended it though, it's something different.

[graceful lion]

well, it seems to be a return to form

[thin zinc]

they are taking tons of feedback. if you watch hugo's weekly streams. they're gonna be fixing a lot of things like letting you disable the slow down when you dodge and melee etc

[graceful lion]

its like a modern doom 1 or something

[sharp moat]

Like if ur gonna do melee. Just go full force with it. Give me a hammer with light and heavy attacks. Make it an actual weapon to hold in my hand not a glorified melee button

Because i think this game’s guns are the best in the series (except the shredder)

[empty sable]

That is something they should consider. Huge hammer would be cool, especially since they seem to be all about smashing and bashing. They could make it where when you activate you hold the hammer for that duration or something then at the end throw it. Sounds like an ultimate ability or something lol

[thin zinc]

doom isnt like most game series. these games live on and are modded forever and replayed. i assume dark ages will get updates and new life

[empty sable]

Even though Eternal had its strenths. Felt like Doomguy was trying out for the Olympics. Pretty sure he'd make the cut.

[sharp moat]

I just find the 3 weapon options pretty minimal in content

[split gate]

This is why this series will always be the goat

[sharp moat]

Like i dont rlly want 3 melee weapons with 5 diff upgrades. Personally i want 5 melee weapons and maybe 2 upgrade choices each that make it do diff things.

[graceful lion]

oh with his stamina for sure, maybe as a gymnast or something

he may be very heavy, but i feel like his strength would make him the best gymnast

[empty sable]

Honestly, I liked the gauntlet a little too much. Pretty much infinite charges. First melee too.

[graceful lion]

https://tenor.com/view/acrobatics-olympics-artistic-gymnastics-tricks-spinning-gif-22491153

bro gonna be doing this with ease

[graceful lion]

yeah it does feel busted, basically blood punch 2.0

[real lynx]

The gauntlet is slept on

[empty sable]

Felt like Electrocutioner's shock gloves from Arkham: Origins.

[whole mural]

oh yeah @honest vortex someone in a youtube comments section tried to say tag 2 has a longer campaign than all of dark ages

[gritty matrix]

4 quite long levels

[drifting steppe]

There's an Invincibility glitch that happens in Chapter 18, in the toy collection arena.

I'm suddenly invulnerable to everything. It happened after picking up a soul sphere.

Finally, I'm now lore-accurate Slayer. 😎

[pulsar granite]

Skill issue

[autumn kiln]

someone knows, does the resource values setting affect armor drops from the combat shotgun or the flail? Or is it just the health/ammo/armor packs scattered on the level?

[graceful lion]

anything dropped from enemies

[autumn kiln]

ah alright, thanks for the answer!

[placid rock]

im sorry.... what?

[graceful lion]

tag 2 is like, 3-4 hours

tda is like, 20 hours the first time i played it

[whole mural]

i didnt even respond

it was so idiotic

[whole mural]

same here and i missed a few secrets

[placid rock]

they just saying tag as a whole or doom eternal as a whole? cause if theyre saying the tag 1 and 2 as a whole is longer playthrough then they never even played dark ages💀

[whole mural]

even episode 1-3 of classic doom is longer than tag 2

[whole mural]

he said just tag 2

not even tag 1 or base eternal campaign

just tag 2

[placid rock]

ONLY TAG 2?!... i just.. my brain is having a aneurism hearing this i swear lmao

[whole mural]

yes

exactly what happened when i saw it

[placid rock]

4.. missions. and the fourth one is just a boss that takes about 15 mins to take care of 💀

[open abyss]

I underestimated nightmare, the game is so much fun on nightmare with some sliders omg

[whole mural]

might be a newgen

[graceful lion]

or a speedrunner

[open abyss]

15 mins is crazy bro, it really did not take that long 💔

[whole mural]

im playing doom 64 CE rn and im only on map 17 and ive been playing for 7 hours or so, trying 100% secrets again

[placid rock]

even speedrunners know the actual length to games, this guy straight up doesnt realize shit xP

[placid rock]

well i was able to do in about that time, i just use ssg then hammer and minigun and it does the most damage

tho i wish they let you damage him fully without limiting how much damage he takes per stun lol

[open abyss]

fair tbh 😭

[open abyss]

22 chapter campaign VS 1 DLC 💔 💔

real lmaooo

[whole mural]

we dont even have the dark ages dlc yet either

[placid rock]

heres the thing if you mess up and get him to heal thats when it gonna take longer lol, i was able to get in and damage mostly without letting him heal that much

[wheat sigil]

yeah why wouldn't speedrunners know the length of the game?

[open abyss]

that + even if you cut out all the cutscenes, tda is literally longer bro ts crazy

[whole mural]

leaving secrets out and finding ways to bypass combat

[placid rock]

the samur is never gonna leave you alone lol

[wheat sigil]

you still play through the game "normally" at least once

[whole mural]

fair point

[open abyss]

samur when he sees you're doing a bit too well

[placid rock]

yeah exactly so its just with this dude that thinks ONLY TAG 2 is longer than tda is clearly missing something

[whole mural]

i dont think he played the game at all

[open abyss]

also idk if it's just me, but i kinda wish they moved the upgrade currency more towards the gameplay side rather than the exploring side. I love the exploring, i do, but I'm already finding it a bit frustrating on my second playthrough running around looking for gold and rubies to upgrade. But, I don't have any suggestions lol, maybe give more gold per ingot or something.

[placid rock]

one thing i learned to beat that battle was to never be predictable, i kept randomly dashing a lot which saved me a bunch from getting damage

[whole mural]

he also said some stuff about the game costing 70 usd and him not being able to get a cd

[placid rock]

yeah i think so too.

[whole mural]

"why should i pay 70 dollars if i cant get a physical cd"

[open abyss]

okay i can get behind the 70 dollar comment, if he means it's a high price, but CDs are more like collector items now lol

[whole mural]

its 2025. everything is digital bro

[placid rock]

well.. i dont blame him cause i would want the physical disc too but thats just me

i like discs idk why. tho i know its better in digital

[whole mural]

i think he was just complaining and saying stuff for the sake of saying stuff

[placid rock]

probably

[lost basin]

Probably cause discs are something you can hold, look at and put in a console

[open abyss]

yt comments in a nutshell

[open abyss]

no way, you can do that?!

[placid rock]

tbh 70 bucks nowadays is a very steeep price even for a game thats in 2025, to me no base game should be pricier than 60$

[whole mural]

i made a point of eternal being 60 usd on launch and dark ages being 10 extra with way more content and he made the "tag 2 is longer" response

[lost basin]

I love physical media, the reason i got dark ages on steam is cause i aint got a console that can run it but i do got a laptop that can

[placid rock]

💀

[lost basin]

Shocking ye, just found it out myself

[open abyss]

"bro just typing shit" ass comment lmao

[open abyss]

[lost basin]

[whole mural]

it might be just me but the 10 dollar increase for way more content is worth it, i spent far longer playing dark ages than eternals main campaign

[placid rock]

wait wut?? wasnt that a known thing for all gamers in the day?😭 it hasnt been that long since we switch over from disc to digital

[whole mural]

im not american so i paid far more though

[lost basin]

"Sarcasm"

[placid rock]

i hate my autism sometimes XP

[open abyss]

lmao yall see the synthetic man's dogshit tda review?

[placid rock]

never am fricken able to tell through text lol

[whole mural]

is it worse than that one eternal review

[open abyss]

his eternal review was part of #those types of reviews, but it's basically that for TDA

[whole mural]

LOL

[lost basin]

Same not worth the 80 euro's imo

[placid rock]

eh personally i find anyone hating on doom eternal based but people hating on dark ages make no sense to me

[open abyss]

and guess what, he's made at the sliders

[whole mural]

i paid 170 aud for it and i have no regrets

[whole mural]

yeah no suprise

[lost basin]

Everybodys different

[whole mural]

hes going to geteven more hate than last time

[gritty matrix]

The sliders are controversial

[placid rock]

how is that something to be mad at?? its something to tweak the game.. to help you.. or make the game harder. like what is wrong here?!

[whole mural]

no they aint

[open abyss]

unfortunately not really, unless someone like Mayo puts his ass on blast, plus he's got that dumbass twitter "woke" crowd that calls everything "woke" to the point nobody even knows wtf "woke" means

[placid rock]

straight up it allows for more tweaking to the game, thats a good thing not a bad thing

[gritty matrix]

They're there to offer a personalised challenge to very competent players, but normal players feel like normal skill levels are invalidated by sliders

[open abyss]

he said it's something for "game journalists" to put all the way down to make it easier and so that they don't have to "balance anything"

[whole mural]

where are the invalidated players saying this

[gritty matrix]

It's a psychological feeling issue, not a functional issue

[whole mural]

please show us where

[gritty matrix]

All the ones hating on them?

That you guys are talking about above?

[open abyss]

What? How...? If you feel invalidated by sliders...maybe just make it harder for yourself? Plus, when you're playing the game, actually playing the game, sliders are the LAST thing on your mind, if at all

[whole mural]

how is that being invalidated

[hard thistle]

If anyone is hating on sliders, at that point its just nitpicking
They're complaining about a system that lets them control the game's difficulty. Let that sink in

[placid rock]

im sorry.. how is making the game easier for people who DONT PLAY SHOOTERS a bad thing? i feel like thats just a major plus to the game it letting you to tweak the settings so yo dont get frusterated or bored if its too easy

[open abyss]

Personally, I've seen nobody going "Aw man...this game's being such a meanie, these sliders are making me feel...invalidated...praise me!" like 😭

[whole mural]

let that sink in

[gritty matrix]

Because then beating the game on nightmare isn't really cool if you can adjust the difficulty of it. There is a concept of psychological reward that might be obstructed by the possibility to heavily influence the difficulty of the game.

[open abyss]

exactly lol, it's such a non-issue

[whole mural]

??????

why the hell is he crying because he beat the game on nightmare with a slider moved

[placid rock]

you cant beat ultra nightmare if you tweak the settings you must play on the default to get the actual run completed, the only setting you can use im pretty sure is only the speed

[open abyss]

Okay, conversly, beating nightmare with harder sliders is also cool? And that also calls into question this "psychological reward"...if you want said reward or more of it, just make it harder for yourself, or easier depending on your taste.

[whole mural]

??????

[gritty matrix]

If you look at the standard nightmare setting, you will see the parry window for example is very generous, so the question a player would ask himself, is this real peak difficulty or it's just complacency

[whole mural]

no one is saying this, he just moves the sliders

[open abyss]

💀

[hard thistle]

Also does anyone know if adjusting the game speed also affects things like dialogue and cutscene? I increased mine by like one bar to improve my parrying and it felt like the dialogue sounded so much faster

[placid rock]

its not supposed to be a super difficult game!!

[gritty matrix]

That's the logical approach, but people mind isn't so straightforward and logical

[open abyss]

that's overthinking 💔

[whole mural]

this dude is making up situations that never happened

[lost basin]

Dialogue speaks faster

[open abyss]

even so, it beats your ass hella bad lmfao

[placid rock]

not in cutscens from what i seen

[gritty matrix]

No man this is how people that are complaining about it are reasoning. On the paper there is absolutely nothing to complain

[lost basin]

Yes not the cutscenes. It's just when you're playing the game

[placid rock]

ngl i beat ulra nightmare on my second playthrough. tho thats before the updated it to be harder o.o

[gritty matrix]

But there are people complaining and I'm explaining you why they are.

[placid rock]

they just dont get a good thing when they see it straight up

[open abyss]

1. fuck yeah, congrats
2. I'm on nightmare with some slider changes and the shit is hard hard and idk how hard or easy it was near launch since i got it two weeks after launch

[placid rock]

the parrying and the shield really helps a lot when it comes to surviving

[gritty matrix]

And why they aren't? On paper is a very good feature the fact you can adjust literally every aspect of the game.

[open abyss]

it really does dude, that shield is a prophet 💀

[gritty matrix]

Either we liquidate the issue with "they're just stupid" or we go more in depth in their way of thinking.

[hard thistle]

</3
Hopefully they add a setting to seperate game speed and dialogue speed. It sorta js sounds weird for me

[open abyss]

this is so unintentionally funny 😭

[placid rock]

if they see something thats supposed to allow players more ability to change the game into how THEY WANT IT then to me theey are stupid for hating it. cause it literally makes zero sense to hate it cause there isnt anything bad about it

[hard thistle]

Nitpicking

[placid rock]

exactly

[open abyss]

"you are nitpicking and biased, I win, bye, bye"

[gritty matrix]

It is, and mine is just a theory, but I do think I'm very close to the core of the matter.

[lost basin]

Ye i was thinking that too. I played the game normally on normal speed. Then when i went back for secrets i did 150%. The dialogue sounds weird indeed when it's fast. It's not really anything too troubling but if its your first playthrough then it might be annoying if you hear fast dialogue if you for example want to understand everything and such

[open abyss]

also mfs mad Debra Wilson, who btw is fucking awesome as Thira, got a role in DOOM ☠️ ☠️

[hard thistle]

Thats what i realized about sm people who say tda is bad, its mostly nitpicking or about nO gLoRy KiLlS when glory kills would've been so repetitive and tedious in this game. Even if you make them faster. Besides there's still a cool few when you do glory kills above them

[graceful lion]

though there are actual glory kills

tda would NOT work with every enemy needing a glory kill thats for sure

[open abyss]

it's like the smallest shit that barely makes a difference, if at all, and they're like "well I don't wanna play anymore" after buying it lmao

[placid rock]

i am all for peoples right to opinions but unreasonable or just pure hate for no real reason isnt an actual opinion as they are hating it to just hate it at this point because its not what they expected

[graceful lion]

im glad you just kick them and move on

[hard thistle]

Ye exactly, and they're all awesome. Bro you lit turn a mancubus into a flower

[open abyss]

shit'd be annoying asffff

[gritty matrix]

My hypothesis here is they don't really want to customise the game the way they want it because they don't want to have the temptation to adjust something and remove the challenge. It's really... Very psychological.

[open abyss]

This is just Samuel Hayden in disguise

[placid rock]

faceplam i swear no one can be pleased nowadays

[hard thistle]

Feel like people just go in expecting it to be bad, so any minor thing they immediately say the whole game's trash
Not just with doom but alot of games these days, like everyone saying ghost of yotei went woke for having a female protagonist when the game doesnt even come out til october💀

[gritty matrix]

I mean we can discuss the same about people who like to put their dicks in a cage, they exist and it's quite fascinating to understand how their mind processes work.

[hard thistle]

Imagine being mad at a baddie like thira

[placid rock]

thats a apt comparison😭

[hard thistle]

And for me i like the story and sometimes the dialogue makes the game sound cooler for me. So hearing near gibberish while ripping and tearing yk kinda takes from the experience

[hard thistle]

Sounds normal to me? Whats so bad about that

[gritty matrix]

Dunno, what's so bad about not linking sliders?

[placid rock]

personally i enjoyed the glory kills cause it showed the anger of doomguy, tho tda is best without glorykills

[placid rock]

its called unreasonable hate where as people with chastity do it for personal reasons

[whole mural]

if you dont like sliders maybe dont use them.......

[hard thistle]

I literally got into doom because i saw the glory kills, most of my montages on yt consist of glory kills, and even i think the glory kills on tda that they have rn are good enough. Besides its still cool to literally punch a demon so hard his limb (or limbs) fly off, cmon

[placid rock]

i know! like i dont get it if nobody likes the sliders then just dont use them!! really make zero sense to me

[gritty matrix]

But anyway the entire matter is that they're there and you can decide to use them or not, and it doesn't really change anything. And I can assure you if the game had two more difficulty levels, one with max sliders and one in the middle, people would complain less. If it was a feature that you can activate by console, I can even more assure you no one would complain

[whole mural]

you also need to open settings and click the sliders menu so its not exactly forced on you

[gritty matrix]

The fact that is there and you can look at it, in a way disturb people, even if the command line -speed was in doom from the bloody dawn of time

[whole mural]

thats no body man

[placid rock]

exactly, plus they made sure in the game you couldnt get the actual completed runs on pandimonium and ultra nightmare if you tweak anything but the speed.

[whole mural]

no ones disturbed by seeing sliders

come on now

[placid rock]

if it disturbs them they need therapy cause thats not a disturbing thing💀

[gritty matrix]

Then why they complain

[lost basin]

Understandable it didnt annoy me or anything but it is something you immediately notice

[whole mural]

because thats all they do

the people complaining are here just for that

to complain about soemthing

[placid rock]

haters just complain to complain pretty much, they see something they dont like they complain

[hard thistle]

"My name is Joe Marmer. I have a phobia of difficulty sliders on doom the dark ages. It has affected my everyday life since I was young"

[whole mural]

these people complaining about sliders are probs the same goobers who complained about eternal being "too fast"

dark ages on 150% game speed is way more faster than eternal

[placid rock]

XD "the sliders have caused many of my functions to worsen just from playing this game and not even caring how good it is"

[graceful lion]

i tihnk its that eternal mainly had your weapons moing around faster, quickswaps and stuff

[whole mural]

i prefer using one gun to kill everything classic doom style

the melee on dark ages filling up ammo is great for that combat loop

[wheat sigil]

gives way too much though

but for sure, way better than the chainsaw

[whole mural]

the melees all need different ammo amounts

[graceful lion]

it even works as an aoe chainsaw if you hit multiple zombies

[whole mural]

the dread mace filling up all ammo is justified by that longer wait time

[hard thistle]

"The sliders have affected my ability to see how hot thira is"

[placid rock]

heres the thing... 2016; fast slayer slow demons, eternal; half the speed of 2016 for slayer and double speed for demons, dark ages; little faster slayer than 2016 and 2016 speed demons. its funny how that works lol

[graceful lion]

after seeing doom eternal gameplay it feels slow asf after playing tda

it jst looks like there aint much happening

[whole mural]

i did not appreciate the 2016 and eternals barrons of hell leaping accross the whole map

[hard thistle]

I did. It annoyed me which made me wanna kill them even more
10/10 would go psychotic again

[placid rock]

LOL the gliding barons XD

hey at least the cosmic ones dont do that lol

[whole mural]

the leaping kinda made the barons ai sorta refuse to use the iconic flame ball

[main trout]

I always relied on the act man for reviews but his recent review of TDA was very.. mixed

[tranquil moss]

the cosmic ones just beat the shit out of you if you miss one parry

[whole mural]

moist critical made the best review, although i do not think the game is a step back at all

[placid rock]

thats very true 💀

[wheat sigil]

doesn't chabge there there is an abundance of ammo, you'll never run out of it

[main trout]

I agree with him on the contradiction of replacing repetitive iframes with singular kick animation but wtf do you mean the story was lacklustre

"we don't even know where we are fighting the demons" WHAT???

[whole mural]

the ammo pickups on lowest settings make the melee a MUST

[tranquil moss]

yeah uhh we're fighting demons on sentinel prime i guess

[main trout]

I don't know how he never arrived at that conclusion

[placid rock]

im sorry.. the entire game...is about.. fighting... deemonns

[whole mural]

all the games are about fighting demons

brother what

[thick dove]

this game has genuinely some of the worst autoaim I have ever seen

[whole mural]

who needs autoaim

[placid rock]

autoaim?

[thick dove]

the shield autoaim

[tranquil moss]

prequel to 2016 and eternal during the slayer's time with the sentinels, sentinel tech, sentinels in flesh and blood, and he still doesn't realize where the game takes place at

[whole mural]

its not supposed to have any lol

its a manual input

[thick dove]

console does have autoaim for the shield

[tranquil moss]

it does have some type of auto aim

[placid rock]

it can go to targets but its not a autoaim

[thick dove]

it's not autoaim but don't play dumb you get what im talking about

[wheat sigil]

how is this relevant? you're given way too much ammo by it

[vital rapids]

And this is one of many things that makes me think some people are either not playing before forming an opinion
Or they are having an instinctively negative response to change and creating facts to explain the dislike of change

[whole mural]

if it hits a bigger demon even slightly it does snap onto it and saw it yeah

[placid rock]

the only auto aim i know is ehanced targetting for me

which quite litteraly makes the bullets go straight for the enemies when around the cursor

[tranquil moss]

i wonder when we're going to get a damage values chart for tda

[thick dove]

its not that hard to grasp, the shield locks onto enemies, at least on console.

but it does that in such a weird way it killed me multiple times

[vital rapids]

It's called shield seek, does in fact exist, and can be switched off

[remote thunder]

the charge time doesn't mean anything considering all the ways to speed up melee regen (parry spam, impaler mastery, mace mastery)

[placid rock]

oh never saw that setting

[vital rapids]

Try playing with it switched off, makes a nice change

[whole mural]

no mick gordon? bad game. no meat hook? bad game. no glory kills? bad game. no quick swapping weapons? bad game.

[thick dove]

oh that's sick

[placid rock]

straight up it makes me mad when people think without mick gordon the game isnt doom which doesnt make any sense

he isnt the creator of doom at all.

[main trout]

I understand some people who bought TDA may not be fans of storytelling and lore but when the emphasis of the game is cutscenes and the story of the slayer and there's a lot more dialogue from side characters n etc

you should at least come to basic conclusions

[whole mural]

this games music is very nice. its just used poorly

[vital rapids]

I don't judge people too harshly for disliking change, we have probably all done this, even in this series
The fanciful disinformation about the game based on it, though, kind of sucks

[hard thistle]

As soon as he complained bout no glory kills i knew where his review was going. Its lit the longest part of his video too💀. Tho nvr really liked him

[main trout]

same thing happened for doom eternal with 2016 lmfao

[whole mural]

exactly

the same people are back to complain again

[main trout]

people complained about resource management and platforming emphasis

I do think dark ages could have been better tho

it's a good game with a bit more cracks than the previous 2

[vital rapids]

I didn't like most ideas for Eternal. I didn't go around suggesting to people it was broken though

[placid rock]

i personally listen to my music when i slay cause im usually sensitive to the music in doom, causes my ears to be bothered even when its low

[wheat sigil]

quick swapping exists😢

[main trout]

executions could have been done FARRR better

and with a more varied arsenal and emphasis on grit than just ranged weapons I expected more variety

than a heal kick

[placid rock]

not more than eternal 💀 dark ages beats eternal by a few miles

[vital rapids]

Maybe, although animations have to be desynced for the standard ones which limits the options somewhat

[main trout]

yeah true

I hope they iron out the technical issues at least when they pump out the dlcs

like audio mixing especially, atrocious

[barren shell]

fr it's so quiet

[vital rapids]

I think it's a bit less obtrusive in TDA. Probably too unobtrusive

[main trout]

had to tune in my miku playlist bc it was so quiet most of the time

but I'd say gunning down hordes of demons and a titan while tetoris is blasting in my ears is peak internet culture

[rapid bronze]

hey

[vital rapids]

The mix was so quiet at release. Shoulda got mix gordon to do it #dadjoke

[rapid bronze]

hey

[main trout]

hola

[hard thistle]

Hello there

[vital rapids]

Like the Nintendo game? That sounds bonkers tbh

[main trout]

no, tetoris

look it up on yt

[vital rapids]

I will, ty!

[main trout]

teto cover of tetris
peak shit

[vital rapids]

I'm playing it my initial reaction is aaaarghelp 😂

That's Quake MP music, that is

Even more bonkers to TDA to it than the original tbh

[placid rock]

you know someone remade doom 2016 and eternal in quake

its called slayer's testaments

has glory kills and everything

[split gate]

I wouldn’t say it’s so quiet but I did question how the volume was lacking at times. It isn’t because of the quality of the music, but how it’s implemented, because FM’s ost is stellar

[hearty falcon]

Would be sick to have skins that change the 3d model of the slayer instead of just recoloring him like in eternal for example with the classic marine skin

Just an idea

[placid rock]

they better do mod support for tda i swear. i know theyll never make snapmap again but i want to build and edit in dark ages so badly😭

[main trout]

I find it funny that 90% of the dislike for TDA is "no glory kill bad googoogaga" and "mick no make music for this game bad"

[placid rock]

two things that shouldnt matter in the game overall

[main trout]

could have been phrased or readjusted to be valid criticism like the executions and their repetitiveness and the horrible audio mixing issues

but no, wahhh i want my invincible iframes back in a game focused on brawling and parrying

[wheat sigil]

doom community in a nutshell

[placid rock]

doesnt the slayer still get those frames from doing the glory hits onto enemies in tda? cause it does slow down when you do them

[main trout]

it's far shorter tho

like more than half as short

[placid rock]

then no one should complain about it then if its still in the game 💀

[wheat sigil]

nah, no iframes afaik

[main trout]

they want the variety and aesthetic of glory kills which is valid but tbh for me over time glory kills js became breathing space and iframes rather than "let's gouge your eye out and savour this moment"

the criticism wouldn't be valid if they replaced glory kills with smth more unique and suitable for dark ages

but they js replaced smth repetitive with something repetitive

missed opportunity there

[placid rock]

shieldsaw slice would be nice

wait huh

[main trout]

vro

[placid rock]

how was that spamming?

[main trout]

even you have to admit that aside from the occasional very not frequent saw to the head execution, doing this is spartas over and over in a game where the shredder, accelerator, far more cooler and varied demons, and the shield exist is a huge missed opportunity

[placid rock]

i wanted them to use the melee weapons for the glory hits, makes more sense to use the melee weapons rather than just his fist to make them explode

[main trout]

and tbh I'd like them to have glory kills to some extent, like for cutscenes or heavier enemies

executions are suitable for fodder and some heavy demons

[old siren]

this can be fixed tbh, it could be a lot of work, but can be fixed. I myself do not miss the old glory kills that much, because I am happy executing demons with all the melee options, or bashing them to mince with the shield when they are dazed

[main trout]

and side little pet peeve, I would have wanted to see ahzraks skull getting bashed in

and not just a decapitation

[placid rock]

#artwork just found this sword that would be perfect for tda

[main trout]

like imagine the demons get splattered with skull and horn fragments and eyeballs from ahzrak instead of being handed his head

like man it's a mace I would have loved to at least see a "blossomed" head

[placid rock]

the idea is doomguy POPPED his head off with the mace lol

[main trout]

wait what

wouldn't the rest of his spine come flying off too

[placid rock]

thats how strong doomguy was smacking him the mace lmao

no spine just neck lol

i love the sound in that scene to be honest cause even tho it doesnt look burtal. it just feels very brutal with the sounds

[errant pagoda]

or just used the shield saw after he got bored with the flail

[placid rock]

that wouldnt explain the heavy tear on the neck, if it was the shieldsaw that wouldve been a clean cut

[errant pagoda]

in fact we see him use the flail three times in the cutscene, so he ran out of melee charges :P

[placid rock]

every time i ever see that shieldsaw cut even to small guys smaller than ahzrak their bodies have a clean cut no tearing at all

[errant pagoda]

ahzrak is built different, he survived multiple dreadmace and bfc hits

[placid rock]

thats because its a game lol

in lore i doubt ahzrak can handle a single bfc bolt without being heavily injured

[errant pagoda]

yeah, but kinda explains why the saw might have issues cutting him

[placid rock]

the only way it would have a problem (it cant because the sentinels made the shieldsaw be able to cut through almost everything) there would have to be a spell or something on ahzrak inhibiting the saw to move through

though i really doubt the slayer would just easily cut off the head when hes in a moment of like literal retribution so i would think he would want to do the most damage and pop that head off lol

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/golf-swing-jaco-van-zyl-international-olympic-committee250days-fore-watch-out-for-the-ball-gif-19166042

[open abyss]

literally dude. Plus, from what they've shown of the game, it looks so cool and fun. Plus, they also made Ghost Of Tsushima, I trust them completely; game's a masterpiece.

[open abyss]

lmao exactly lol

[open abyss]

a sketch of doomguy playing golf using the flail and demon heads would be so funny

like imagine king novik just walks in he's like "we're being inva-" "oh" and then just walks away

[marsh heart]

hello

[graceful lion]

he likely brutally ripped it out

[open abyss]

"likely"

[graceful lion]

that shit dont look maced

[open abyss]

Yeah, I was kinda confused, I was expecting him to throw the body and it was the head I was like "what"

like he literally maced the fuck outta him and his face looked not very maced

[vital rapids]

The Slayer has a good clean golf drive. That cap popped right off and flew like a bird, and was probably a hole in one somewhere

[graceful lion]

well we also literally saw a body right before his whose head was ripped off, looks the same mechanically

[vital rapids]

Ai doesn't know how to do this very well unfortunately. I did try

[graceful lion]

if you asked a medical professionial, theyd likely sayh the same thing

[pulsar granite]

I've tried doom tda on another pc with a ryzen 7950x and a 6700 xt. It ran at 50-60 fps on ultra nightmare without fsr and at 70-80 fps with fsr quality

This gives me a good idea of how my next upgrade might be

[vital rapids]

Is that an imposter? This comment didn't make anyone angry at all

[pulsar granite]

What?

[vital rapids]

😉

[graceful lion]

on what resolution

[pulsar granite]

I will keep playing on the rx 590

[pulsar granite]

1080p but it could go on 1440p cuz it has 12gb vram

[graceful lion]

likely due to the weaker RT cores than the 20 series iirc

[vital rapids]

Is that the card you're gonna go for?

[loud gulch]

ok yk what would be nice? if tda had a slider option for movement speed. if adjusted to a high amount it could ACTUALLY feel like the old doom games.

[pulsar granite]

I am still gonna play on the rx 590 but if the next indiana jones/wolfenstein game comes out I'll buy a card close to that one

[vital rapids]

Is this a case of mistaken identity on my part? Weren't you doing hilarious and obvious ragebait as a joke yesterday?

[pulsar granite]

You can use the command line to set that up

[vital rapids]

If not, I apologise

[loud gulch]

TELL ME what is it polease (and is there a possibility that theres a command to make the game feel slippery)

[pulsar granite]

Yes 😭

[vital rapids]

Did the 9060xt benches hit YouTube yet? I've heard very good things on the downlow vs the diabolical 5060

[pulsar granite]

You mean the 9060 xt right? It's not out yet

[vital rapids]

*9060, not 9070

[graceful lion]

9070 been out for a while

[pulsar granite]

Tbh amd's only strategy in beating nvidia is copying them and releasing for a cheaper price, cmon the 8gb vram and fsr 4 finally using ai unlike fsr 3 😭

[dim lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/golf-mk4-gif-26094718

the golf in question

[pulsar granite]

Anyways I looked up thira and was not disappointed

Betruger is still better tho.

[loud gulch]

im still waiting.

[pulsar granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjl9CCjVp0 look at pinned comment in this video it tells you how to set up classic weapon pose + sprint in all directions just like in classic doom

[loud gulch]

oh alr then. THX MATE cheers

[gritty matrix]

Honestly speaking, I've equally appreciated all the doom games

[pulsar granite]

Even mighty doom?

And doom vfr?

[gritty matrix]

I think they hit a niche, single players FPS, that is very overlooked right now, since we are invaded by battle royal / team shooters

One might complain they're not perfect, but honestly there is no one that does modern single player FPS as good as ID. There is no other game at the moment that can compare to any of the 3 recent Doom games in that particular niche

[pulsar granite]

Anyways opinion on xonotic everyone

[south haven]

i sometimes forget to turn on the "no slowmo" mod and holy shit i feel bad that some people actually have to play this game with that awful slowmo effect

[empty sable]

Because like EA and other companies think, single-player games are dead lol

[gritty matrix]

Yes and honestly I'm grateful ID is still catering to my tastes.

[pulsar granite]

Don't forget id games like wolfenstein and indiana jones

[gritty matrix]

They could easily jump on the battle royal band wagon, they didn't

[pulsar granite]

Wolfenstein the new order was peak

[gritty matrix]

Yes I've enjoyed it

[pulsar granite]

Too bad the series died but at least we have indiana jones tgc now

[empty sable]

I'm pretty anti-social so I like to just play games and escape from everyone, everything. Get lost in awesome gameplay and lore. But everybody is like, "here's another co-op shooter!" lol

[gritty matrix]

I watched the Indiana Jones trailer and didn't really speak to me. It felt a bit like a tomb raider game, honestly not a big fan of them

[south haven]

im personally overall just so tired of shooters, only ones that do something unique like doom interest me

[pulsar granite]

The stealth combat was really similar to wolfenstein's

I enjoyed indiana jones tgc a lot

And the fist fighting system was also good

[gritty matrix]

I am in a server where we stream games quite often. I've chosen to not stream my first gameplay of doom because it was a personal experience. I wanted to make that experience without listening to other people comments

[pulsar granite]

The nostalgia from watching doom 3 gameplay makes me want to replay it on a shitty celeron laptop

[gritty matrix]

I've not even saw any review of the game, since then it influence your way of looking at it. Play it, make your own idea if it and then decide by yourself.

[vagrant path]

Wish I could do this on xbox

[south haven]

i ALWAYS look at reviews, with current game prices im not gonna spend a cent on a bad game

[gritty matrix]

And sincerely it was quite a good experience, I've enjoyed it. Some stuff I've enjoyed less, some more

[gritty matrix]

I got it on gamepass, so I could afford to do that. I understand that you don't want to overcommmit

[vagrant path]

I've decided that this game is ABSOLUTE KICKASS-IUM YEAH!!!!!! \ ^o^ /

[empty sable]

For me the only game that I think could possibly top Dark Ages for me this year might be Crimson Desert. They are clearly different kind of games. Just as my personal GOTY. Mafia Old Country looks good, but I don't think it's innovative enough. I feel like DA is innovative when it comes down the shield/parry and melee aspect.

[pulsar granite]

Gordon doesn't need to hear all this he's a highly trained professional

[gritty matrix]

But honestly speaking, with the lack of professionalism in the modern video game reviewers, their opinion really don't count jack shit

[pulsar granite]

Streamers who haven't played the game are worse. They see steam player count and go like "game bad"

Asmongold moment

[vagrant path]

Streamers in general suck, unless they're vinesauce of course.

[south haven]

i disagree, people shit on reviewers just because they disagreed with them on one game, like you just gotta look at websites like metacritic and actually understand why a game got the score it got, and not just look at ign and go "this one guy out of 100 reviewers gace [insert thing you like] a 6/10 so all reviewers suck"

[south haven]

🤮

[gritty matrix]

I've recently read a review of Expedition 33 of a guy that didn't even play the game. Based only on video he watched.

[winter bobcat]

Those are the same people who use the rotten tomato critic scores to pick movies

[pulsar granite]

Doom tda was so fire even the salamanca cousin played it

[winter bobcat]

They are Losers

[south haven]

rotten tomato is good for review scores too

you just gotte understand the scores deeper and not just at face value, and you gotta understand that sometimes the thing you personally like might be garbage

[winter bobcat]

Yeah tbh. I started a new eternal run on next difficulty up from make it hurt. I got the doom bug

Audience score is way to go but that’s not even sure fire

[loud gulch]

best decision of my life tbh. This game wouldnt be the same if i had read all the negative reviews people gave on the internet, which i conveniently filtered out all the doom related videos (it was like, early access launch at that time)

[south haven]

audience score literally means nothing

[pulsar granite]

Icl tda lower than 150% uv is boring

[winter bobcat]

Like I’ve been hella into the Indonesian horror movies on Netflix

[gritty matrix]

With the recent trends, we need to agree to disagree. I feel game scores to be very volatile and drove by other factors than the intrinsic quality of the game

[hard thistle]

Rotten Tomatoes is good to determine the quality of a movie but only if I agree with the score.

[winter bobcat]

Those all get 5 stars on IMDB

[loud gulch]

tda 110% on nm 🤤🤤

[winter bobcat]

But they are fucking good

[south haven]

audience scores are a joke, they get review bombed almost every release with either positive or negative reviews, usually for "political" reasons

[pulsar granite]

Tda 50% on as 😭

[winter bobcat]

Really? I didn’t know that. I’ve always thought them to be accurate.

[pulsar granite]

I play on 150% nightmare all the time cuz anything lower feels bad

[winter bobcat]

Or a better representation. Always thought the critics are the ones who do that

[gritty matrix]

You hit the point. This is why I don't trust reviews anymore.

[loud gulch]

for me, 110 feels like og doom with the "sprint on all directions" command

[south haven]

critics know what they are talking about, users are... well.. just look at the user scores for live action disney remakes or any show/movie with a gay character

[south haven]

look at professional critics, not at users and ur good

[pulsar granite]

If the shieldsaw didn't exist this game would be the closest to classic doom but rn it's 2016

[winter bobcat]

Oh Disney remakes are trash. You don’t need a reviewer for that lol

[gritty matrix]

Either you got user scores that are influenced by reasons other than the game itself or you got paid official reviews that out 10/10 on everything

[winter bobcat]

Except dumbo. But that’s cause they cast Frank Reynolds

[hard thistle]

Example:
Nosferatu (2024) has an 84%. This is correct. Great movie. Reliable score.
Halloween Ends has a 40%. This is bullshit. Ends was great. Unreliable score.

[gritty matrix]

Professional critics even worse. They play 5 hours on the lowest difficult setting and write a review with chatgpt

[pulsar granite]

[pulsar granite]

Death count 230

[winter bobcat]

Halloween ends was pretty fuckin good

[south haven]

halloween ends is genuinely one of the worst movies i have ever had the displeasure of watching

[empty sable]

I saw a comment from someone complaining about the graphics of DA. Saying it was awful and then talked about how they grew up playing the OG DOOM. Comment sounded made up. If you're an old school player then you're not going to nitpick that. Maybe they just love attention.

[south haven]

that does not happen. you cant label every critic based on one guy from 2017

[gritty matrix]

And let me tell you, you bloody need to spit that review asap even if is hot garbage because the site needs to rank high on the keyword of the moment

[pulsar granite]

If I am good at gaming can I be a game journalist

[hard thistle]

The opinions of online Discord user Roder are unreliable, and the rest of you cannot trust them unless said opinions agree with me.

[south haven]

to be fair halloween ends is universally hated

[hard thistle]

The opinions of universal audiences are also bullshit unless they agree with me.

[gritty matrix]

And then there is a "all doom tda weapons ranked" that is completely bullshit and you can see how the person doesn't have the slightest understanding of the game and it was just written to rank the site on keywords

[south haven]

ok now that i say that, there are people who like disney live action remakes, so some audiences dont rly care if a film has anything to say or depth, just keys dangling on the screen

[hard thistle]

Horror's already a niche genre. Who cares what the majority thinks?

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hyllie-ahmad-do-you-know-the-lorax-hyllievångskolan-gif-6600027277056957363

[hard thistle]

The majority is why that terrible Lilo and Stitch remake is selling so well.

[loud gulch]

ok now. They better make a mod for the bfg where it rapid fires like the ogs (obviously with weaker stats)

[empty sable]

Forgot that was a thing lol

[pulsar granite]

Every single weapon can be op if used correctly

[pulsar granite]

The bfg didn't fire rapdily in classic doom

[hard thistle]

Ends is my favorite of the modern Halloween trilogy, though I liked them all. It's the most faithful Halloween sequel in terms of the original Halloween's themes.

IMO the weak link of the modern trilogy is Kills, not Ends.

[loud gulch]

its hard to say, i meant it had like 270 ammo on the ogs, and each shot is like, 30 or 50? im thinking about a mod like that for the bfg in this game

[gritty matrix]

When you see the impaler rated on the lower tier, you can easily understand there is something wrong...

[pulsar granite]

Impaler fully upgraded absolutely smashes even without headshots

[true notch]

Help my shield turned invisible and I can't use shield saw

[gritty matrix]

Just figure they rated it as worst weapon

[pulsar granite]

Play like classic doom finally

[vital rapids]

https://youtu.be/ZTLbaktF0CY

[south haven]

people who think critics suck and you cant look at their reviews are usually people who dont rly have standards in the media they consume and just want something shiny to entertain them for a few hours

[pulsar granite]

Holy fucking shit I can't handle the screen tearing

[south haven]

one bad review from 2016 doesnt outweigh the tens of thousands that came after

[empty sable]

I still wish they would've kept that meat hook from Eternal. It would've fit so well with DA.

[true notch]

How do I fix the invisible shield bug?

[south haven]

for some reason gamers think "journalists" or "game reviewers" is just one guy

[pulsar granite]

Damn he isn't aiming 😭

[graceful lion]

who lobotomized the slayer

[pulsar granite]

Asscrack ofc

Also is it just me or does 2016 visually look more appealing than tda?

[vital rapids]

Nah, there are too many shitty Cod 90+% scores, and ones that give games 60% with nothing but a regurgitation of their humanities dissertation as a "review" for this notion to jive, sorry
Games journalists now seem to often be people who scoff at games and don't play them, but will top rate anyone who advertises with them or takes them out to dinner

[gritty matrix]

Or they can build their own opinion?

We can have a debate about something and exchange point of views once we experience something and I can change my point of view, but why should I just accept your point of view and rely only on that? Especially on videogames.

[empty sable]

Not to me. Though I think it might be due to the increased reflections, it gives tda a certain glowy feel.

[gritty matrix]

If we need to establish what saw is best for woodworking and you're a carpenter with 10 year of experience then ok

[pulsar granite]

https://imgur.com/a/hrGfxje
look at this and tell me

[vital rapids]

Reviews were always susceptible to naughtiness, even back in the days of Commodore and Spectrum games. It's only become worse over time

[hard thistle]

I already have it pre ordered, deluxe edition and all

[empty sable]

It's impressive, especially for its year. But all the recent DOOM games are. I prefer the aesthetics and environments of Dark Ages. I think others agree with you though.

[neon perch]

They 100% should allow players to switch shield runes/melee weapons on the fly with the press of a button. Having to go in and out of menus is fucking stupid.

[neon perch]

Doom 2016 just had a bunch of contrast and reflections, nothing Eternal/TDA couldn't achieve in their respective engines but then visibility becomes a real hindrance. You can't have high octane, engaging gameplay if you're always grounded in semi-realism and favor muted visuals over everything else, readability needs to be a priority.

[hard thistle]

Broo i fr expected you to be able to quick switch melee weapons. Hopefully they add it in a later update, but it should've been there considering you can change from freeze or regular grenades immediately in doom eternal

[placid rock]

you know i expected that too tbh

i hope they give another melee weapon like a sword or a axe in the new dlc

[pulsar granite]

In the dlc

[empty sable]

Probably because you start out with zero charges once you equip a new one. You can acquire charges pretty fast from picking them up or parrying like a maniac lol So it should definitely be implemented.

[hard thistle]

Frfr

[placid rock]

hmm you know ima make some art of possible tda melee weapons they could do.

i wanna go for one that is made by doomguy himself and another made by the demons

cause right now we have sentinel and cosmic melee weapons

[pulsar granite]

I want kalashnikov in tda dlc

[empty sable]

Just thinking of a situation where you want to change quick because a big demon shows up or multiple big demons. That way you don't have to pop open the menu every damn time lol Run over and pick up charge, hit them with the dreadmace. id Software needs to get on this asap.

[south haven]

yes, exactly why you have to think and cant just take review scores at face value. they are an useful tool if you use them right

btw does someone know what the scanning feature in TDA does?

i have been randomly pressing H and it never does anything

[hard thistle]

It would especially be good for the aggadon hunter considering how close he always is

[placid rock]

it scans the world you should see lines pop up on the ground in a wave

[hard thistle]

And anytime he isnt he has his shield up so shooting is outta the question

[south haven]

but what does that do

[placid rock]

... it scans the world so you know where the objective is? plus knowing how the land is formed

[south haven]

the objective is constantly showing and you can see the lands shape with your eyes without the scan

feels like they forgot to add a point to the scan, it would be insanely helpful if it pinged gold or secrets, instead of having to check the map constantly

[placid rock]

its about the secrets and seeing the stuff thats not easily seen -_-

[south haven]

it doesnt show those

[placid rock]

sigh

[south haven]

so im guessing it rly doesnt have a use

such a goofy thing

[placid rock]

it does you just dont realize it

[south haven]

oooh its like a secret

[gritty matrix]

Preach it brother

[south haven]

only real fans know, not those pesky haters

[north spire]

remember when ign gave sonic unleashed a 4.5...almost 20 years ago.

[south haven]

TO BE FAIR that game is a 4.5/10 :D

[empty sable]

Sounds like they haven't changed much then lol

[north spire]

with some points that are genuinely valid like the dogshit frame rate and ehhhhhhh combat (when you dont upgrade the werehog's combat strength)

[gritty matrix]

I didn't understood that feature as well

[meager vortex]

but they give doom the dark ages 9/10

[north spire]

id personally give it around a 6-7/10, but i dont really care :p

Generations is better anyway so idk

[south haven]

depends a lot on everyones scale too, for me personally a 5/10 is average, meanwhile a 5/10 from ign is a "nearly unplayable"

[empty sable]

It's definitely surprising. Maybe the reviewer was an actual fan. All these reviews are done by different people.

[hard thistle]

This is a fairly accurate score though.

[north spire]

ah so the YMS way of scoring, got it

[meager vortex]

worst reviewer ign is ryan

[south haven]

YMS sounds super familiar, who was that?

[north spire]

the canadian guy that tells you that your movie sucks!

[empty sable]

Ryan apparently did the review. He came through and slayed. Now he'll give the next Hello Kitty game a 9/10.

[meager vortex]

worst IGN reviewer is Ryan McCaffrey

[north spire]

anyway in all fairness, i think doom 2016's review was combining both multiplayer and singleplayer modes so they cancel out

[south haven]

ooh that guy, i think i got my way of scoring things from angry joe or something haha

[north spire]

also the worst IGN reviewer is the guy that plagiarized reviews

[meager vortex]

he gave ALIEN ISLOATION 5/10

[south haven]

grrrrrrrr i cannot believe this, i will hold this over their heads for the next 10+ years and comment it under every review i disagree with

[meager vortex]

yep he is worst

[north spire]

Tbh, I’ve stopped giving a shit about number scores

[meager vortex]

even he review Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft 5/10

fans is very upset

[south haven]

isnt that kinda fair? the show was pretty mediocre in most peoples eyes

[north spire]

I’ll only get upset over a review if the reviewer actively starts insulting the people that worked on the games (unless said people are actually deserving of it)

[south haven]

i think people get angry when something they like gets a bad score and they think that reviewer is dumb and wrong, when its just a review and people have different opinions and tastes

[meager vortex]

Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft animation tho

[empty sable]

I'll only get upset over a review if it negatively impacts the future of something I like. Killing a franchise or its future potential. However, that is mostly on the foolish gamers or watchers so can't cast total blame on them.

[meager vortex]

even he tested ALIEN ILOATION DEMO

he review 5/10

[south haven]

but that was like 10 years ago why does that matter

everyone makes mistakes, everyone has different taste

[meager vortex]

and he said call of duty is better

[empty sable]

You must 1v1 this man. It is your destiny lol

[south haven]

maybe he prefers cod over horror games

[meager vortex]

i just his review weird

after that case IGN they change score ALIEN ISLOATION 8.5/10

[south haven]

yeah, i agree its super weird to give alien isolation a 5/10, but man that was 10 years ago i dont think we should hold it over someones head now

when talking about reviews and reviewers people always bring up alien isolation, doom2016, the cuphead demo and something like ign's the penguin and i just dont see why a few off reviews take away validity from the tens of thousands of others

[meager vortex]

he memntioned oh maybe i will review ALIEN ISOLATION2

[south haven]

i hope he does and gives it a 4/10 as a meme

[placid rock]

reviews should just stop doing scores and just review the game

[meager vortex]

ALIEN fans said don't you dare!!!

[placid rock]

wether its good or bad its all based on personal preference to the players

[south haven]

i genuinely think this would help, but its not what the viewers want sadly

[meager vortex]

yeah but if review is wrong that moment is fucked up

[empty sable]

ACG reviews are good. That guy is hilarious. I don't agree with him 100% but he's one of the best out there.

[south haven]

reviews cant rly be "wrong", everyone has their own opinions, just because you disagree with someone it doesnt mean its a bad review

[placid rock]

its better to say the wrong thing as a opinion than to give it a bad score that belittles it more than it should

[meager vortex]

yeah game is very good but make a bad review

[south haven]

its ok to not like a game others like a lot

i think hollow knight isnt very good

[meager vortex]

some reviewers they want make a bad review make a his own fandom

[south haven]

i dont think so, they just dont like something you like, which is fine

[placid rock]

personallly i think the experience of doom eternal is much more fun with mods as the base game i really have problems with

[meager vortex]

but the other reviewers they are not bad review

for example doom tda not released yet some steam users they try game bad

they said game is woke price tag and rt more etc

but now they are gone

hiding like demons

[south haven]

to be fair, 80€ for a game like this and mandatory ray tracing are horrible things

[placid rock]

they just dont get the game and just was review bombing the game to put hate on it pretty much, all due to it being not what they expected

[pulsar granite]

True and denuvo

[meager vortex]

we call trolling right?

[pulsar granite]

https://tenor.com/view/denuvo-denuvo-drm-fps-fps-loss-low-frames-gif-16262897225798792165

[south haven]

i dont think people are trolling, those are real issues with the game

[placid rock]

any person that doesnt follow the devs videos and trailers to know whats going to be in it only sets themselves up for failure if they assume whats going to be in it

[placid rock]

some are not issues

[south haven]

like what?

[placid rock]

like some are mad about the fricken sliders

[vital rapids]

I don't want to know if a reviewer dislikes the very genre when they review something. It's literally what a reviewer is paid for to set their taste aside and tell us whether a game is a well-executed example of what they're going for

[pulsar granite]

I wouldnt call the rt an issue since it is optimized and I can still run the game despite having a card that doesn't support it

[placid rock]

the things that can make it easier or harder for you and you can use it anytime you want or not

[south haven]

isnt that fair? i personally think that difficulty sliders are kinda iffy, i dont wanna touch them and it sometimes leads to devs leaving the balancing to players instead of having proper difficulty options

BUT i think TDA has good default difficulty presets

[placid rock]

THEN DONT TOUCH THEM its simple why is it a fricken problem even seeing the sliders its not like its forced on you!!

[vital rapids]

Strangely, I think I sliders were kind of required for this game.
Because of the diversity of tastes the series has now cultivated

[south haven]

the rt is a massive issue as countless people cant run the game, for example people with 6gb vram just get non functional shadows and they have to mod the game to fix it

[meager vortex]

slider is make a game fun and hardcore

[pulsar granite]

I have rx 590 and can run the game so

[south haven]

yeah its a very small thing, but some games rely too much on difficulty sliders

[pulsar granite]

And it isn't modded

[south haven]

and how does that change the fact that tens of thousands of people cant

[meager vortex]

1000%damage to demons

[pulsar granite]

They have skill issue

[empty sable]

Unfortunately it matters because reviewers are bias. I think having at least a small background in a variety of games would benefit them. If they aren't a real gamer they probably shouldn't be reviewing games. Whenever a review seems horrible, it's either the reviewer actually didn't play it or they're not a real gamer. Maybe played a few games. You need to be a little more versatile than that. That's my view on it anyway.

[vital rapids]

If they can't be bothered to learn to RT

[south haven]

for some unexplainable reason people tend to have this "new game is flawless and has no negatives and nothing constructive can be said about it" in the first 2 months of a games release.. its here too

[pulsar granite]

Imagine not being able to tell the game to use software rt instead of hardware rt. Skill issue

[meager vortex]

TDA is great game

[vital rapids]

Learn to OS swap, it's a simple enough mechanic

[south haven]

yes, its a great game, but being a great game doesnt mean it doesnt have issues

[placid rock]

i am autistic so i can tend to get mad at very stupid small things but that alone is the literal no sense all around issue, cause its not a issue at all cause its not like its upping the game speed or even making the enmies projectiles faster its keeping it balanced

[meager vortex]

i hope game is GOTY

[south haven]

i think a lot of people are just inherently against difficulty sliders, for example i hated them in sonic frontiers

[pulsar granite]

Dualboot exists yk

[south haven]

expedition 33🙏

[meager vortex]

developers id why they make a slider because eternal

[vital rapids]

It's looking like for gameplay it will be for me. I usually don't play FPS much these days because they're all crap and I like strategy, but either way nothing else as tight and addictive as this game in 2025

[vital rapids]

Basic technique tbh

[south haven]

black ops 7 will be goty most likely

[placid rock]

its just.. sliders.... its not forced.. its not affecting you in any way but making the game easier or harder for you. doom eternal wouldve probably have the same slider thing if they didnt rush the game, its more functionality and ability to make it to HOW YOU WANT TO PLAY

[pulsar granite]

And people say Linux is hard lmao, clearly skill issue

[vital rapids]

Preach

[south haven]

sometimes less is more, i would prefer having set difficulty only but i get why people like having a lot of options, its better for the hardcore doom players

[vital rapids]

Set difficulties is just the same thing but less so tbh

[empty sable]

I'm still looking forward to Crimson Desert. Clearly a different kind of game. Unless that really pulls me in pretty sure Dark Ages is my personal GOTY. I'll be playing Mafia: Old Country, just don't feel that's innovative enough, sure the gameplay and story will be nice though.

[placid rock]

YOU CAN JUST SET THE DIFFICULTY its the same process as in doom eternal and in 2016 the EXACT same process

they just added the sliderrs to let you see what can be edited

[south haven]

i think the real issue with doom the dark ages is that the scan (H) does absolutely nothing for some reason, unplayable 0/10 would never play

[placid rock]

irony

[vital rapids]

Looks interesting, I'll keep an eye out for that thanks

[empty sable]

It works for me. I think it might just hate you lol

[south haven]

what does it do for you?

to me it just has this grid scan thing go boom and nothing appears or shows up

[empty sable]

Lights up breakables and hooks.

[meager vortex]

2days after my new book is coming

[vital rapids]

I've pressed it twice
Once when it told me to
Again the other day because I wasn't sure whether I dreamt it existed

[meager vortex]

DOOM THE DARK AGES CHRONICLE OF THE SLAYER

[vital rapids]

I love how Spartan kicking demons is supposed to suck. Nope

[south haven]

huh, i have never seen it highlight those but ill check, no idea why it doesnt highlight secrets it would be such a QOL thing

[empty sable]

np feels like a really fun year for gaming. Just hope nothing gets delayed lol These days, you never know.

[south haven]

feels like it was made for scanning for secrets, wonder if they genuinely just forgot to implement that

[placid rock]

the breakables.. are the secrets

[meager vortex]

i love kicking demons

[south haven]

not rly though, it should highlight gold/pickups

most secrets arent behind breakables

[placid rock]

faceplam

[meager vortex]

glory strike demon

[vital rapids]

Perhaps if I'd remembered it existed I wouldn't have spent 10 seconds just blankly staring at the block/pressure pad puzzle

[south haven]

some people for some reason think a new game they like is flawless and has absolutely zero downsides and they cannot comprehend the idea that it might have one singular small flaw... its crazy

[empty sable]

Breakable walls to be more specific, they usually have a round symbol on them. Lights up when pushing the button. For the hooks you need to start being more observant and looking up. Easy to miss at times.

[placid rock]

did i ever say the game was flawless? no i didnt so stop assuming too much like most gamers thinking you know everything

[south haven]

the scan should DEFINITELY show what the map shows

[vital rapids]

I hate the way you can't swap weapons quickly while pressing the H button.
Completely ruins the game

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gaming-toys-gif-16770751

[south haven]

fake news just tested this, the scan+weapon switch tech meta is here

[empty sable]

I kind of wish it was even more like Skyrim given that it has a compass and all the collectibles would show up on the hud. Might just take away from the "secrets" or make them too easy to find. They are on the map though so is it really that different.

[south haven]

agreed, whats the point of them showing on the map clearly as day if they are supposed to be hard to find, would be so much better if you didnt have to pause to see them

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-366884463840825135

[pulsar granite]

If the mesa driver team implements rt emulation into Nvidia cards the world will be a better place

[orchid rover]

Did anyone else get bored of the soundtrack at times? The Hell ambience is actually pissing me off with the constant rising violin that goes nowhere

[vital rapids]

It'd mean more gamers preparing for Windows 11 👍🏻

[south haven]

i feel like people keep shitting on the music but to me the soundtrack is just as banging as the previous games... maybe its that i play these games once and thats it, but not sure

[meager vortex]

my best word TDA is slayer is activated

[south haven]

i love this guy

[orchid rover]

I swear I heard multiple levels use the same song in a row. Modern Doom has unfortunately become a visual and audio mess at times, just overwhelming the shit out of your senses.

[meager vortex]

if demons heard slayer is activated demons:

[vital rapids]

I feel like this is less of a thing in TDA, personally

[orchid rover]

We need more Linux compatibility. Windows as the only viable option for every game is so awful

[meager vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[orchid rover]

Eternal was much more visually coherent than Dark Ages. Dark Ages is so dark for a lot of the levels

[old siren]

I have 2 things that annoys me regarding the music: 1) the dynamic music module still does silly things: missing the action completely, putting in heavy music where no one is around, going back to ambiance while I am fighting demons (guess that's the curse of a huge arena, You enter it, nobody is around yet, but You hear the music) 2) The mixing of the music is still objectively bad: the sounds of the game and the music are occupying the same frequencies on many layers and the music just doesn't cut through. I still need to lower everything else waaaay too much

[south haven]

hot juicy take: without the drama with the previous music guy, people would love the soundtrack in TDA

[south haven]

do you have 6gb of vram?

[vital rapids]

It's difficult for me to judge as the whimsical art style of Eternal was extremely jarring and busy for me

[cunning maple]

does anyone know any video settings to make the game run better but still look decent??

[old siren]

100%. ...and I say this as a Mick Gordon fan.

[orchid rover]

Yes and no. I have complained plenty of times about people haplessly using Mick Gordon as a bat to beat id with as tiring

[pulsar granite]

I saw a guy asking for rt emulation to be implemented into windows but they didn't know that it would require rewriting the mesa linux drivers which would be a pain

[orchid rover]

Mick Gordon "fans" when asked to name 2 things he did that aren't Doom

[south haven]

mandatory ray tracing should not exist in 2025

[orchid rover]

Thank you, this is another extremely stupid thing that gets said a lot about Dark Ages

[vital rapids]

Or 4 doom games they've played hides

[pulsar granite]

And don't let Nvidia or amd see rt emulation otherwise they'll sue mesa team 💀

[south haven]

mandatory ray tracing is just horrible, whats the point in making games run worse for no reason

[meager vortex]

why? mick gordon he is gone?

[empty sable]

Wolfenstein: New Order and Colossus

[south haven]

i can run games that look leagues better than TDA at way better graphics just because they dont use cheap ahh rt bs

[old siren]

100% agreed. It is completely unnecessary. It's nice that GPUs can do it in realtime now what seemed to be impossible 10-15 years ago, but I do not care. It is not as beautiful compared to the already existing algos while asking for way more HW to be in Your posession....

[vital rapids]

Was always going to happen from the second the GPU specs of XBox and PlayStation were finalised tbh

[meager vortex]

rumor said he jus fight with id ceo

[hexed laurel]

so on linux some people cant enable frame gen without getting a black screen has anyone found a fix ?

[orchid rover]

Ray Tracing is not as simple as, "We need game good pretty! You no have RTX you are bad gamer!" id chose to build their engine with it for specific reasons, and if you want to criticize it, you should listen to them rather than plugging your ears and going NOOO RAY TRACE BAD

[old siren]

Wolfenstein, Prey, Atomic Heart (partially) and that combat game I can't name right now, He has also worked with Bring Me The Horizon, Architects

[south haven]

but... ray tracing IS bad. it makes the game unplayable for countless people, for no gain.

or ofc there is gain, its about having to spend less money on baked in lighting

[orchid rover]

Ray Tracing is not "bad" it is a technology

[empty sable]

I think Dark Ages soundtrack was great. Underrated because of all that is going on. The main problem is the music starts and stops in random places. I get insane "boss music" when nobody is even around lol

[vital rapids]

The gain is more realistic lighting, shadows and reflections with hardware acceleration that makes the complexity of that possible

[orchid rover]

I find it to be the same tier of good as Mick Gordon's work for the last games. FM did a good job here

[old siren]

I get that technological advancement cannot be stopped. ...but RT doesn't bring as much visual gain to the table, while asking for a lot more HW.

[south haven]

well made baked in lighting looks just as good as raytracing.

[pulsar granite]

We really need rt emulation to be implemented into gtx cards

Cuz its only for amd rn

[orchid rover]

We also aren't game developers, so we don't know every reason they chose to implement it

[pulsar granite]

Driver devs would know

[orchid rover]

It's a very technical thing that a twitter-esque complaint isn't sufficient enough to criticize fairly

[vital rapids]

It literally doesn't. In the same vein, some things RT does are literally impossible with pre-rendered lighting

[empty sable]

It's easier for game development. RT uses an algorithim that speeds up the process. Rather than manually doing every single lighting and such.

[south haven]

well we do know that other games arent doing it and thousands more can play those games cause of it

[pulsar granite]

For the price of 80 euros and not being able to run on all pcs cuz rt, we should sue id

[neon perch]

The problem with the OST is the utter cheeks mixing and lack of dynamic range. It's basically ailing from the same issue as Eternal's OST where it sounds audibly compressed.

[vital rapids]

It's ok if people think it looks OK without.
Objectively speaking, it is inferior tech

[south haven]

name one game where ray tracing looks better than baked in lighting (not games that purposefully hold back baked in lighting to fool people into thinking ray tracing is some insane new thing like spiderman/cyberpunk etc)

[pulsar granite]

Old games when rt still didn't exist look better than modern games with rt on

[south haven]

amen

look at the last of us 2 for example

[pulsar granite]

Look at doom 2016, they reflections are crazy

[old siren]

Tbh, the OST is fine to listen to without the game on a good quality headphone or audio system. ....but in the game it gets lost as it's trying to fight for the same frequencies as the game's other sounds

[orchid rover]

Ding ding you win

[pulsar granite]

Or nsf 2015.that looked like rt but it didn't even exist

[orchid rover]

The OST just makes me want to play Unchained Predator on loop

[vital rapids]

Hardware RT on ultra in Oblivion looks substantially better than software lumen at feasible performance
But "looks better" could be argued with on subjective grounds
Realtime dynamic lighting, shadows, reflections etc are objectively things that exist and not subject to personal whim

[orchid rover]

The only track I was like wow this is great besides UP is the fight with Ahzrak

[south haven]

oblivion, really

[orchid rover]

Roder is 14

[vital rapids]

So your answer is "oh oh but not that game"? Cmon dude

[south haven]

good marketing and buzzwords rly make people eat up anything, its blast processing

[neon perch]

If it weren't for lighting being off-loaded to the RT pipeline we would've had to wait 5 more years for this game. It's 22 giant-ass levels crawling with enemies, beautiful lighting and loaded with decals and performance wise it's buttery smooth even on a 3060. 2016/Eternal could never.

[south haven]

id rather wait than have to play a laggy mess

[vital rapids]

Then you should wait

[pulsar granite]

Imagine complaining about rt lol, skill issue

[vital rapids]

I'm not waiting, thanks, I paid MONEY for RT hardware lol

[empty sable]

Honestly, I think they used AI to create Oblivion. That stuff looks too real. Bethesda will never admit it. Not sure how much it was involved though. Still looks amazing.

[pulsar granite]

I didn't even pay for rt capable hardware yet I still enjoy rt games crazy

[vital rapids]

Performs like a pig of course, but yes

[open abyss]

LMFAO

[neon perch]

The only reason it doesn't look 'better' than 2016 like someone pointed above is because the game isn't deliberately outright black in most areas. You could achieve the same low contrast look in Eternal with a bunch of puddles, lens flares and only a few highlights.

It's not exactly rocket science.

[empty sable]

Stutter issues out in the world. No matter what. Mod changing some settings did help.

[orchid rover]

What an insanely dumb comment

[pulsar granite]

Doom 2016 looked better because the devs put passion into it

[pulsar granite]

It's the truth so, not really that dumb

[open abyss]

this got to be ragebait

[pulsar granite]

It does look better for me

[orchid rover]

Yoy aren't playing RT games, you're playing regular games with RT off

[vital rapids]

No, he/she is playing with software RT on a non-RT card on Linux thanks to the unlimited power of open source software

[pulsar granite]

No, you don't know what rt emulation is buddy

[orchid rover]

Doom The Dark Ages is the only game I've heard of with Ray Tracing as a component of the engine

[pulsar granite]

It just tells the game to use software rt instead of hardware rt

[neon perch]

Damn, ID failed us. Back to the drawing board, remove ALL lighting from TDA until you end up with pure pitch black areas and add blinding lens flares to every light source like 2016.

[open abyss]

yeah but that's mostly, if not entirely, subjective. You cannot say "it looks better for me" and discredit the creators by saying they put less "passion" into it.

[orchid rover]

Close your eyes. You are now playing Doom 6

[pulsar granite]

It's true, they got bought by microshit

[uneven siren]

Guys, when will be update thta fixes Berserker achievment?

[open abyss]

Okay, chronic twitter user, I get it now lmfao.

[pulsar granite]

Make some valid points dawg and I don't even use twitter

[open abyss]

"make some valid points" while I literally did and your point was "microshit" gtfo lmao

[neon perch]

Ignore the regard.

[empty sable]

Microsoft owns the planet.

[pulsar granite]

Sadly yes

[vital rapids]

Now imagine the environments in 2016 with RTGI atmospherics dynamic shadows and reflections etc

[empty sable]

One day they will 1v1 Disney for all the marbles lol

[pulsar granite]

There's a reshade preset for that

[orchid rover]

Dark Ages is the future of high end action games like this

[empty sable]

Time for a remaster. If it was Sony they would have already done it lol

[orchid rover]

2016 still looks and runs great, but a visual update could be interesting

[vital rapids]

They would have done 4 tbh
But YES!
Also, Doom 3 RTX

[delicate grotto]

2016 does not need a remaster.

[orchid rover]

Dark Ages needs a lot more content before anything else

[pulsar granite]

True, we still have to wait for a dlc

[pulsar granite]

The reshade preset for doom 3 goes hard

[orchid rover]

I want a Master Campaign with a New Game Plus

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s gonna take at least 2 years lol

[gleaming swallow]

You have to look under a microscope to notice these graphical improvements from DE to TDA, meanwhile you can use your bare eyes to see the lower fps or total incompatibility

[orchid rover]

This is apples to oranges, a literally braindead comparison

Go to surgery

[vital rapids]

Seems like an extremely obvious difference to me

[old siren]

Plus a Horde Mode with Coop option

[pulsar granite]

What an insanely dumb comment

Doom eternal looks worse than 2016 even a regard could notice, and they purposefully made it less appealing

[gleaming swallow]

There's only one of you

[vital rapids]

There's no shame in running TDA in 640x480 on low. Good for you!

[vital rapids]

There's actually 23 of me. But that's not important

[pulsar granite]

Plot twist they have reflections off