the-dark-ages

[urban compass]

If only I had a mechanical arm

[wheat sigil]

deoendsb on the occasion

[hard thistle]

Oh the things I'd do with one.

[dusty dagger]

So far Monster Hunter Wilds, Doom The Dark Ages, Possibly Borderlands 4 could be contenders for goty

[honest vortex]

Me? 😮

[wheat sigil]

english

yes... based...

[urban compass]

Mhwilds doesn’t deserve game of the year

[hard thistle]

Don't fuckin hit me with the
👁️ 👄 👁️

[honest vortex]

Doom comparisons lowered my based levels?

[urban compass]

It’s good but not great

[gritty matrix]

I haven't played it yet, but my feeling is expedition 33 will take it. Too much hype.

[dusty dagger]

I haven't played it either, maybe I should give it a try

[honest vortex]

[gritty matrix]

Personally I don't like menu games, I saw some trailers and looks like lost Odyssey. But I want to see what all this hype is about

I think I played already too many final fantasy menu games already

[tender yacht]

finally got that plat trophy

[dusty dagger]

There's also the Oblivion Remaster but idk if that would be considered

[honest vortex]

Also like 50/50 mix of based and unbased? 🤔

[gritty matrix]

What I dislike is that after 30 years or so they still make games that plays exactly the same in every interaction. They tried something different with ffXIII but honestly it sucks

[honest vortex]

Equivalent exchange says hi

Wait a minute Dead K3y loves Dark Ages WTF

[honest vortex]

He said he loves it in the second half of that video

[hard thistle]

and expedition 33

[honest vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[hard thistle]

who dafuq is dead k3y

[pseudo crow]

I was just watching the video on how to get all of the skins. the void was for pre-ordering, I pre-ordered right from Bethesda's webpage, I didn't get the void skin... maybe I missed an email?

[dark thunder]

Novik is such an L dude he’s an awesome character but him telling the slayer to not save the ppl of earth was a huge L

Bro found out the Maykrs betrayed the sentinels and caused the civil war and on top of that is a spirit and finds out they lied about the eternal afterlife and he’s still defending them

“This is bigger than you can imagine” I don’t think so dude we literally killed the devil

[uneven dragon]

tbf that was afterward

[dark thunder]

What did he even mean though with “what you interfere with now is bigger than you can imagine” has he seen something we haven’t?

Bro knows how powerful the slayer is he shouldn’t be doubting him

[lavish hazel]

Can imagine that the sentinel civil war was kind of like the shtick between The Fallen and Dark Angels, where Doom Guy and some few found out the truth of the Maykrs and Priests whole pact with hell and just started killing despite not spreading the fact

[drifting steppe]

Does anyone know where I can track my weapon mastery?

[hard thistle]

Like in the challenge menu?

[hollow sandal]

The check mark menu icon in the top of your "dossier🇨🇵"

Weapon mastery will be shown there

[neon perch]

Society if this fucking game remembered what melee weapon you switched to after loading checkpoint:

[dark thunder]

I wonder who novik sided with in the civil war

I mean he prob sided with the slayer but idk he seems like he would side with the Maykrs

[warm sable]

Now, I noticed there are demon that only exist at 140p quality in game . https://youtu.be/WYe52hQy3I0?si=_AKqXaapLYj7vjBX

[uneven dragon]

i havent had this issue once thats wild

[neon perch]

Gauntlet equipped. Switch to mace mid encounter. Load checkpoint. Game still has the gauntlet.

[cobalt sapphire]

so what do people think? mouse and keyboard or controller?

im playing on PC and been m&k but i threw my back out and wouldnt mind kicking it back in the recliner

[neon perch]

Also holy shit, those red acolytes Ahzrak summons have the wackiest hitboxes. I just died to one standing a good 5ft in front of me.

[rocky badger]

Is the Impaler slo-mo bugged? Holding the trigger usually, but not always slows time down. And many times while in slo-mo, my crosshairs are forced away from my target

[noble mauve]

that mech fight before is soooo whacak lol

[noble mauve]

try an impaler, it seems to have some like lock on like functionality to it that makes stuff hit really easily

[neon perch]

I'm just fucking sick of his bossfight in general. Annoying bullshit.

[plain iron]

His bossfight is great. It's actually difficult

[noble mauve]

its really not bad at all, just hit with mace

and parry, i think u could even just spam the block button and it would parry everything

[uneven dragon]

i really loved azhrak's bossfight

[neon perch]

Turning on smallest parry window for this was a mistake.

[rocky badger]

Never tried it, but isn't there some anti-spam mechanic?

[neon perch]

No the shield on Nightmare just breaks in like 2 fucking hits because how dare you use the shield as a shield.

[uneven dragon]

you can upgrade that

[rocky badger]

Breaks in 2 hits no matter what? Or just if you spam it? I have kinda a bad habit of only blocking parry attacks and not normal attacks

[noble mauve]

the hits on ahzrak are way way more forgiving than other attacks i was percieving

idk i didnt really need to spam myself, but the chapter 21 fight is really just 100% parry, mace and headshot with impaler if you wanna speed it u. beat it yesterday post difficulty increase

[neon perch]

Yeah no whatever I'm tired of practicing. UN won't have the smallest parry window setting by default anyway so this is just pointless.

I'm getting a migraine and the shitty mech bit before the fight is getting on my nerves. I'll just go play something else.

[lean patio]

hey does anyone have a fix for the game just freezing on launch? yesterday i was playing it and it froze and ever since then when i launch the game is just freezes and i cant do anything, ive already updated drivers, verified files, and reinstalled the game?

[rocky badger]

Macro time 🫃

[drifting steppe]

I honestly do miss the specific weapon assortments from Eternal. Now all the guns just feel overly optional.

I do think this can still work here in TDA if they just amp up enemy difficulty and have you use weapon weakpoints.

Then it'll be a great dance. They can even make some enemies more dangerous where they spam melee rushes at you to parry, that way you're not omitting the need to stand and fight.

[noble mauve]

i think the problem is fundamentally always going to be - the shield

[neon perch]

Superheavies are only beatable with the shield regardless.

You try to kill a Baron like any other Doom game, see how it works out for ya.

[noble mauve]

barons i deal with the cycler pretty easily and then mace them

honestly the mace is really OP

[neon perch]

Exactly my point, you have to either parry their attacks or render them completely unable to retaliate.

Anything else is pain.

[noble mauve]

i think the baron and the komodo are pretty great enemies. aggressive, big, can deal with a lot of ways. the cyber demon and the boar thing forcing you to get up close break the flow so hard

[uneven dragon]

a lot of enemies still have weapons that are better

[noble mauve]

i feel like it became more apparent after balance updates.

[uneven dragon]

yeah

[noble mauve]

but its not super transparent what is good on what, you just kinda got to figure it out

like they specifically tuned down ravenger on komodo. i feel like the cycler was such a mid weapon it didnt get any nerfs and now it feels actually really strong with its overheat

[wheat sigil]

i feel like making certain enemies weaker against certain guns is boring

[noble mauve]

each enemy felt like its own puzzle in doom eternal

[wheat sigil]

rather, make all the guns hold different utility and incentivize swaps that way

[noble mauve]

yeah 100% agree with that

[tender yacht]

YE

[loud gulch]

real.

[hard thistle]

u mean the singer?

[tender yacht]

no

[hard thistle]

ok

[vivid stump]

I just started the game and encountered a problem when the game freezes at a random moment and I have to restart the game, what could be the problem?

playing on pc, PC components:
GPU: RTX 4060 8gb
CPU: Ryzen 5 5600
RAM: 32 gb

[tender yacht]

its the gpu

4060 isnt enough to run doom unless your putting everything to ultra low settings

[hard thistle]

[wheat sigil]

me when misinformation

[tender yacht]

you need to buy minimum 3080

[vivid stump]

well, my game was running well for 70 fps on idk what setting

[tender yacht]

maximum dlss

[hard thistle]

Incorrecto.
I have a 3070 and run Ultranightmare.
There's a lot of factors

[vivid stump]

lemme check

[wheat sigil]

i run the game on a 3060 with about 80 frames, on a 3440×1440 monitor

[tender yacht]

you need minimum 3080 and nvidia beta dlss 5.0

[hard thistle]

So how'd I make a youtube series at smooth framerate with Ultra Nightmare graphics on a 3070

[tender yacht]

dlss 6.0 ultra beta

[wheat sigil]

dunno where you're pulling this from lol

[tender yacht]

my ass

[hard thistle]

Ohhh, gotchya gotchya.
Carry on lmao

[noble mauve]

same exact setup

[vivid stump]

mid settings, dlss on

[tender yacht]

make potato settings then try

[vivid stump]

70+ fps

[rocky badger]

Wait, the plasma weapons are useful?

[noble mauve]

idk about the other one, but the cycler is great on nightmare for later arenas with a lot of stuff. the debuff and overheat are nice

good when multiple ultra heavies and a mace for one shots

[tender yacht]

i like to spam rocket llauncher and bfc

[icy lark]

Game is broken on series x. Literally crashes every 5min

[loud gulch]

the nova gun looks pretty sick but it feels so weak??

[wheat sigil]

my hours on tda are tremendously artificially inflated due to me just being in the main menu while not at my pc😭

says i got 20 hours in the game and i'm at siege 1💯

[hard thistle]

Siege 1,100 goes hard af

[tender yacht]

im at 54, just 100%...

[rocky badger]

I think it shocks. Does that stun/stagger them?

[tender yacht]

what do you think the dlc will be

[noble mauve]

absolute garbage lol

[tender yacht]

im just hoping its like 80$ so i didnt waste my money on a shitty skin

[crisp arrow]

damn the shredder is a terrible fucking weapon, I'll never get to 100 in the mastery challenge lol

delete it from the game, it's a waste of space 😄

[tender yacht]

shredder is goated

[lethal saffron]

Chap 14 15 is potato graphics on console =))

[umbral steppe]

Is it normal that we don’t have a lost soul toy ?

[noble mauve]

yall know you can just hold down the shield throw button for slow mo right?

[umbral steppe]

Yes

[split gate]

I’m very interested to see if it focuses on the Civil War, lots of meaty stuff there for the story

[hoary heron]

I'd love to see an Argent D'Nur that isn't under demonic invasion.

Imagine what it's cities/towns looked like untouched by corruption.

I noticed at least in the first mission there were windmills in the background.

[rocky badger]

Is there enough time/weapon upgrades early enough in the game to master every weapon (gold skin) in one playthrough? In Pandemonium and UN where you can only play each mission once.

[hoary heron]

And it looks like it has some nice history and lore.

[honest vortex]

Bro I'm sad.

After playing Dark Ages.

My previous favorite game DOOM 2016 feels terrible and boring to play now, and I'm not an Eternal fan at all.

So now Dark Ages is the ONLY modern DOOM game that I like now. 😭

[noble mauve]

what do you like about dark ages?

[hoary heron]

I think I had 288 gold and 4 rubies left over after grabbing everything. Still some gold I haven't gotten yet.

[kindred summit]

Playing any doom game feels refreshing for me

[noble mauve]

dark ages is truly the dark souls 2 of the doom franchise and will create years of polarized views lol

[kindred summit]

Or bioshock 2

[noble mauve]

dark age is to doom 2016 and eternal what bioshock is to system shock 2

[hoary heron]

I know it sounds weird, but I wouldn't mind a spinoff series where it focuses on the Argenta people and the whole Wraith/Demon thing. Like nothing Doom related, but on the world building aspects.

[hard thistle]

Chapter 13 is so fucking shit. Trying to practice on nightmare before I try pandomonium and the reset of the level is completely different to the first time you run it

[kindred summit]

This was gonna happen before 2016 with doom 4 but demons on earth

[loud gulch]

i think those are for the dlc

[thin zinc]

that footage of doom 4 looks so bad to me. looks like resident evil 6 or something

[loud gulch]

considering we r gonna get a new weapon and potentially more new melees/guns

[hard thistle]

Also I despise how the encounter is set up because you can basically get trapped if you get unlucky with the enemies attacks as you have to use your shield on an unblocksble attack because you cant move quick enough and then you immediatly have 2 arrows flying at you

[loud gulch]

that was their direction at that time, they were going for a doom 3/cod style game

[thin zinc]

thank god they didnt

[hard thistle]

I can never understand people like this

[kindred summit]

I mean look when the game was in production

[loud gulch]

good LORD they scrapped the game, idk what id do without doom

[thin zinc]

that game woulda been bad. i think doom is 7-0 with good games

[errant pagoda]

||There are 602 gold and 5 rubies spare after collecting and upgrading everything.||

[noble mauve]

i never learned to like 64 or doom 3. 1, 2, and final doom absolutely fucking rock though

[loud gulch]

doom has been in a lifelong streak with their games

[thin zinc]

i need to replay 3. i own it on xbox and steam, but only played it one time like 20 years ago 😄

[errant pagoda]

||Also, failing to destroy a hell fighter is 20 golds missed, but it doesn't show up in stats.||

[noble mauve]

3 blows imo

[thin zinc]

doom 3 isnt the doom slayer, only game without him. it's not part of the mainline

[noble mauve]

its for sure canon

[thin zinc]

oh yeah you find the boomerang thing in the uac office in doom 2016 and the vagary monster in dark ages was in doom 3

it's just another demon incident at a uac facility with some other marine

[drifting steppe]

Not really. Just diversify enemy attacks.

Work them around the shield mechanic.

Like, consider, what if some enemies just refuse to use parry-able attacks unless and until you got rid of their weak points?

So now you're putting the work in to specifically make them parry-able.

[thin zinc]

also the new trilogy look for the hell knight spawned out of doom 3 right?

[drifting steppe]

Yes.

[hard thistle]

no, there's less gold then that

[errant pagoda]

I have two 100% saves, I know there is that much gold!

You might have missed a hell fighter.

[hard thistle]

a what fighter?

[drifting steppe]

Like how you would specifically use certain kinds of weapons in order to give you opportunities to use a different weapon right after.

[errant pagoda]

In a Serrat section, where you have to chase down the hell fighters.

[hoary heron]

Enemies do need additional behaviors, and standalone difficulty modifiers to their attack speed, movement speed, and skill cooldowns independent of game speed.

[errant pagoda]

They are worth 20 gold.

[noble mauve]

melee should have been on quickcast adn you should have been forced to use 3 different things with mechanically different purposes

[honest vortex]

2016 feels archaic, bland, and slow compared to Dark Ages, and I'm just not really a big fan of Eternal in general.

[hard thistle]

oh those, idk I killed em for the challanges I though that was all, do more spawn?

[hoary heron]

2016 atmosphere was a vibe though

[errant pagoda]

There are more fighters than the challenges require (except for the last one).

[noble mauve]

2016 and eternal had such good enemy placement and layouts of maps

[hoary heron]

I loved 2016 more than Eternal just for setting and story

[hard thistle]

the more you know

[errant pagoda]

If you replay the missions you can still get the 20 golds for them tho.

[noble mauve]

samuel hayden was so cool and every character in dark ages is disney cringelord

[honest vortex]

I mean it was, but Dark Ages felt more atmospheric and even darker to me, especially during the second half.

[split gate]

2016 nailed the atmosphere and darkness of demons while still focusing on you being a badass, perfect combo.

[errant pagoda]

I mean for the ones you missed.

[split gate]

I feel like TDA is closer to it than Eternal

[honest vortex]

2016 has a better setting and story than Eternal indeed

[noble mauve]

there is way way way too much yapping in TDA to be atmospheric

[hard thistle]

how is doom feeling archaic bad? bland and slow ion get either but whatever. So you never liked 2016?

[honest vortex]

Loved 2016 for the longest time. It just finally feels antiqued

[hard thistle]

yeah that's the part ion get. How does a good game make another good game not a good game?

n saying 2016 is antiqued is crazy

[honest vortex]

Yes TDA was extremely atmospheric and has a strong sense of place and visual storytelling, much like 2016 did

[split gate]

The dialogue didn’t take away the atmosphere imo, I was still looking at the background of every level and just in awe of how detailed and expansive everything was

[hard thistle]

This chat has dementia and says the same things every day and I love it

[split gate]

Indeed

[honest vortex]

I like Dark Ages more in basically everyway, by a very very very significant and astronomical margin

[noble mauve]

TDA feels like a marvel movie

[honest vortex]

Wait, what repeats?

[manic swift]

hi everyone
guys im facing a issue in launching the game
whenever i open the game i get a white alert
does anyone know the solution for this?

[split gate]

As much as I loved Eternal, a big let down for me was its atmosphere and storytelling, a massive downgrade imo from 2016, I had high hopes it would double down

[hard thistle]

What does the alert say?

[hard thistle]

yeah and that's fine, but hoes does that make u not like 2016 at all now😭 like u said tda is the only doom game u enjoy now

[honest vortex]

And Dark Ages does a lot of the things I loved about 2016.

It feels like a 2016 counterpart or alternate universe version of 2016 in a weird way

[manic swift]

it says something went wrong for solution visit the site..
and theres a link that lead to a page where only i can submit a mail

[honest vortex]

TDA is the only modern DOOM I like now.

I still like the classics.

[hard thistle]

idk I though the story n atmosphere were better in eternal

[hard thistle]

have you verified integrity of game files?
Had this happen and that fixed it

[hard thistle]

didn't the classics also age like 2016?

[honest vortex]

Can agree with this.

They finally topped 2016's atmosphere with Dark Ages, though admittedly the story is still weaker

[split gate]

Fair enough man. To me, the glazing by that UAC chick in Arc Complex and Samuel Hayden’s sudden shift in personality was so off for me

[manic swift]

i download it from the xbox app and was working the first days..
but yesterday it start giving that alert.
even when i reinstalled the whole game again

[split gate]

Like why did Hayden suddenly act like this, it was so inconsistent

[hard thistle]

like what?

[split gate]

I get what they’re doing but there was no build up of that from how I felt

[honest vortex]

Nah

[hard thistle]

ion get u at all bro but whatever, u do u

[split gate]

How Samuel Hayden acted all high and mighty in UAC Atlantica. It felt off character for me, he was more subtle, but it could be just me

[honest vortex]

I don't even think 2016 aged poorly.

It's just Dark Ages makes it seem boring in comparison

[hard thistle]

oh u mean the dlc

forgot how he acted there ngl

[hard thistle]

Oh weird.
Do your drivers need an update?

Something I've found on that same issue;

"Deleting these files fixed this for me: C:\XboxGames\DOOM- The Dark Ages\Content\amd-ffx"

[uneven dragon]

completely disagree lol

2016's storytelling and atmosphere was much better than Eternal's unfortunately

[hard thistle]

agree to disagree then

[split gate]

His character was consistent in the main campaigns of both 2016 and Eternal. But the DLC felt a complete shift. I get it because of the twist but I didn’t feel like were talking to Hayden at that point

[manic swift]

ill try

[uneven dragon]

he was still a little different in eternal tbh

[hard thistle]

Also this is that persons error code, if it gives you one see if they match.

Error 0x80073CF3

[split gate]

True true, I felt some difference but the DLC just made a complete left turn for me

[honest vortex]

I never understood why Eternal fans say 2016's unplayable after Eternal. I would even make fun of those types of fans all the time

Even back when I loved Eternal, I still thought 2016 was fun as hell.

Now I'm finally experiencing what Eternal fans felt with 2016 with how masterpiece the Dark Ages is 😭

[split gate]

2016 is still fun, I play it from time to time, even if I think Eternal is better in gameplay

[honest vortex]

I can't go back after Dark Ages 😭

[split gate]

Fair, TDA is so different, I still wanna play 2016 again just to feel the difference and have a more clearer view of all games

[honest vortex]

The game that got me into DOOM feels completely wrong and uncanny now

[hard thistle]

I'm doing the best I can, given idk anything about the dark ages on the PC Xbox App and all that.

Sorry if none of this works

[manic swift]

nah man it didnt unfortunately

[hard thistle]

Last obvious but but iffy option;
Have ya tried launching the .exe directly or doing it as administrator? Sometimes that just randomly makes things budge lol.

[manic swift]

i did

[honest vortex]

I'll say that 2016 definitely had better audio mixing with the music and more consistent quality in the music.

But that's like the only thing I prefer about 2016 over The Dark Ages

[hard thistle]

Damn.
Anyone else here on Xbox App that might be able to help him?

Either that or @manic swift head to #tech-talk maybe, they might be able to help there.

[honest vortex]

I loved Samuel Hayden and VEGA in 2016, but like I actually like Ahzrak and Kreed Maykr more!

[hard thistle]

ahzrak the most generic villian lmao

[honest vortex]

Kreed Maykr has the same voice actor as Samuel Hayden anyway

[split gate]

Samuel Hayden and Vega were fan freaking tastic in 2016

[alpine pilot]

the witch is cool

[hard thistle]

Indeed

[alpine pilot]

I liked Samuel and Vega 2016 and Eternal, but I didn't really like what they turned out to be in ancient gods

[split gate]

Yes this is how I feel. I got used to it but I think they could’ve executed it a lot better

[merry sapphire]

asscrack was actually a fun villain in how he's terrified as shit of you

[honest vortex]

Okay admittedly Ahzrak 's amazing boss fights is giving me a bit of bias.

His character wasn't nearly as cool as Samuel Hayden

[alpine pilot]

I feel like vega being an assiting ai and hayden as a 'handler' sort of character, giving you objectives were a cooler theme

and having a weird alliance but not friends dynamic worked well

[hard thistle]

yeah I like that part too

[honest vortex]

Kreed Maykr is just awesome all around.

The dude's fucking hilarious

[split gate]

Yeah their characters were already great. But as I got into the lore and how everything pieced together, I started to enjoy what they really are

[hard thistle]

gave him the kratos to zeus treatment

[alpine pilot]

kreed chungus

[alpine pilot]

y, im okay with how it worked out, just saying i liked them more that way honestly

[merry sapphire]

||loved the part in the asscrack and witch bossfight after you defeat the witch and the slayer jus fuckin Rotates to him being shocked and lost for words just to try to beg for his life LMAO||

[alpine pilot]

we need more cosmic realm in dlc ngl

[merry sapphire]

possibly the worst thing in the game is how nerfed the codex are. man i enjoyed reading that shit and now its just so short and so little. i understand they wanted the players to just glance at the lore real quick and continue playing but Come on man 💔

[pearl harbor]

the city of ryuul was way too short. i love how the place look

[plucky ocean]

Hello everyone. I am having consistent freezing issues when trying to play the game on PC Game Pass. I've tried all of the fixes recommended on the help page, as well as a bunch of other stuff that I found online. What I have not yet tried is rolling back the GPU drivers, could this help? Also, I am currently running Windows 10, would an update to Windows 11 potentially offer a fix? I really just want to play, appreciate if anyone can offer some help!

[alpine pilot]

fuck the codex, shorter text are way better imo. Let the story unfold itself with the narrative, at least mostly

[hard thistle]

There are 3 maybe 4 fucking enemies I despise in this game so much that are the only ones that ever kill me on nightmare
First those green little shits that just roll at you out of nowhere
Those minigun shield cunts
That flying shit
Honorary mentions include that minigun brain rat when they’re far away and that fucking spider

[split gate]

||The slow turn was hilarious.||

[alpine pilot]

Im all for jumping into the lore rabbit hole, but id rather play the game

[hard thistle]

The spider is the worst but it’s supposed to be hard. The other ones are just annoying, its not like they’re hard to kill

I need to see if there’s a strat for killing the spider

[split gate]

Lore was fun to read but if it was to compensate for the change, I don’t mind it, it not being there as much had a purpose and I’m okay with that

[hard thistle]

fuck the codex in general, let e everything be a mystery and nothing explained

so we know just as much as the slayer does

nah I'm kidding

[split gate]

Shield bash and supershotgun is what works for me

[hard thistle]

Also if you’re doing an ultra nightmare or extra life playthrough, should you get gold and shit to do upgrades? I cba running around for upgrade materials just to lose my whole run from some stupid death

[alpine pilot]

slayer knew more than the player in eternal and 2016, here we're more or less on the same page, unfolding the mysteries by slaying the demons

[hard thistle]

On the massive spider?! It then just spits shit at you

[hard thistle]

what?

[split gate]

Ohh I thought you meant the arachnotron, my bad chief

[hard thistle]

Vagary I mean

[split gate]

Rocket launcher the armor from a distance and break it while moving around constantly, it’s what works for me, yeah you may have to just be careful with it

[fiery bobcat]

Started a nightmare run today after my first UV playthrough and oh my god it makes the combat so much better. i still have a slight issue in that you never seem to run out of ammo like in eternal so you dont really feel like you ever have to go out of your way to get it which takes some tension away.

[hard thistle]

If you’re doing a playthrough where if you die your games over, should you bother upgrading stuff. Cause most isn’t essential and it takes time to go get the stuff, and I don’t want to do all the extra work just to die

[hard thistle]

Praise be the sliders

[wheat sigil]

killed an imp just for it to reveal a projectile behind it, instantly killing me😭

[hard thistle]

The super shotgun carries most of the game

[hard thistle]

jumpscare

[hard thistle]

you absolutely need upgrades, yeah

[fiery bobcat]

welcome back Doom 2016

[hard thistle]

Nightmare should be harder imo. It’s easier than ultra violence on eternal by far

not all of em, but allot of em

[hard thistle]

I’ve only done the shield so far in my one so imma have to find a route that gets stuff easily. I also don’t want to be doing extra encounters for them and risk dying there

[alpine pilot]

I wish we had a difficulty setting like pandemonium, but instead of using life sigils to restart the whole chapter, we could restart from a checkpoint by using the sigil. Running out of sigils would equal restarting the whole chapter.

[split gate]

The ssg makes 2016 piss easy, it pisses me off but it’s also funny

[fiery bobcat]

i wouldnt mind if they lowered the ammo capacity on some weapons. like i never seem to run empty of pulveriser ammo for example

[hard thistle]

What does it do currently? Reset chapter?

[alpine pilot]

yes, as long as you have life sigils, you can redo the whole chapter on death. If you run out of sigils, its game over like ultra-nightmare

I'd like some more middle ground honestly

[hard thistle]

And you want it to restart encounters instead?

[alpine pilot]

you cant as far as i know

[hard thistle]

if u don't risk getting the early upgrades it's gonna bite u in the ass later and that'll stig more considering u have to redo like 16-20 mission instead of just 8-12 if u get what I mean

[hard thistle]

Ahh true. In my current nightmare where I’m just getting a feel for it I’ve only done one upgrade for supper shotgun and a few for shield. On chapter 14 atm and it’s easy enough

[alpine pilot]

basically id like sigils to be checkpoints like in classic platformer games lol. you run out of lives, redo the whole chapter from the beginning

[hard thistle]

Ohh fine

[hard thistle]

ight maby u just better then me then, regardless I wish u luck

[hard thistle]

I think you might as well just play normally and when yoy lose all extra lives reset chapter

[hard thistle]

I definitely need upgrades icl. Chapter 13 had one encounter that fucking killed me

I keep forgetting I can use weapons that aren’t the super shotgun as well. Makes it a bit easier with some bosses when you just do longer range

[pearl harbor]

guys have any of You got a bug where You cannot access and change the shield runes?

i can access and change the shield runes at the upgrade station but i cant access the shield menu when not at the upgrade station

[merry sapphire]

i understand why they did but i still dont like it

[merry sapphire]

the spider and revs are really high priority. the usual solution is shield bash and a super shotgun and thats it really

[shut vortex]

Amanda Waller: You can’t remove it. It’s wired to a detonator.
Doomguy: Pocket grenade it is

[gritty matrix]

The ssg is fine, What's make it broken is the both barrel upgrade and the quick switch on normal shotgun

[split gate]

And then the gauss cannon, holy moly

[gritty matrix]

The Gauss cannon attachment is quite broken

[slim crypt]

why does linking my bethesda account to twitch require me to learn the fucking agriculture of papa new guinea and a phd on studying computer science

[hoary heron]

I feel more fps games should copy some of the weaponry from duke 3d, nothing would be more hilarious than shrinking and stepping on a demon or possibly expanding them until they pop into a bloody mess.

[meager vortex]

maybe dlc for DOOM TDA DOOM eternal codex story

[vestal swift]

Yo

[split gate]

I understood why they wanted to do a different playstyle after Eternal. Yes 2016 offers flexibility but most players would use the most powerful weapons. SSG and Gauss were ridiculous. I feel like TDA went back to this route but it was more refined, and keeping that Eternal playstyle of a ruleset, which is why I think TDA is the best imo, it offers flexibility while giving each weapon the chance to shine while still allowing you to do what you want

[meager vortex]

DOOM TDA story is came from doom eternal codex

[wheat sigil]

eternal allows each weapon to shine while giving the player freedom too though, no?

[hoary heron]

Hello Dylan, whos name is the same as an EDF soldier from Duke Nukem Forever

[vestal swift]

Oh

[meager vortex]

doom 2016 codex and doom eternal codex

[vestal swift]

I hate duke nukem, the game is buns

[split gate]

That is true, but I felt it more in TDA. Eternal was for me, just a tiny bit more restrictive, it had more rules. Not saying it’s a bad thing, definitely not, it’s fantastic game because of it. TDA allows for more experimentation while still offering a challenge and engaging gameplay

[hoary heron]

Lot more rock paper scissors in Eternal, not a bad thing, but weapons were more effective than others in dealing with demons at least in my experience. Doom TDA, seems to have toned it down a notch.

[merry lion]

I miss the freeze thrower

[hoary heron]

Yes

[wheat sigil]

that isn't the case however, only demon that take increased damage from something is the PE/caco from ballista base fire/arbalest, but i use those two options far from always when dealing with cacos/PEs

[split gate]

This is it. Rock paper scissors is the perfect way to summarise it. People call it battle chess but I always found it strange because in chess, you’re not limited to specific rules, you’re just given what you have to stop the opponent however you want, while still playing the general rules. How you defeat the enemy is up to you and any weapon can be valuable

[hoary heron]

I wouldn't say damage per se factors into it, but more of weapon mechanics in dealing with how a demon functions in terms of it's kit.

[wheat sigil]

can you give an example of how the player is restricted then?

[split gate]

Like you could have multiple ways of killing a large horde in TDA, each of them having their own strengths and flaws while still getting the job done. The accelerator heat blast or the pincushion for example

[hoary heron]

It's not restriction, but for a basic example a caco swallowing an explosive shell to stun it.

It's gun mechanics playing with demon mechanics

[split gate]

There are other ways of a stunning a caco definitely, but most players I’ve seen just use the sticky grenade ever since because it’s just embedded in their head.

[hoary heron]

TDA is more all of my guns are rocks and I'm just going to smash them all against a demons skull and kill them

[split gate]

It’s not exactly a forced restriction but the brain is just told to just use sticky grenade at this point

[hard thistle]

In TDA I mastered all weapons but SSG still outclasses em all for me

[hard thistle]

I think what changes the main mentality is moving the "Rock paper scissors" from the weapons, to the other hand..

Rather than the game implying where you should shoot to effectively kill demons, you can shoot wherever you want...
But your shield now has implied uses (Throw, Bash, Parry), which I think is the perfect illusion.

It lets me make my choices but still guides my hand in play.

[split gate]

That’s definitely okay, I could spam the grenade launcher for days

[hard thistle]

I liked how easy it was to max out the grenade launcher, one enemy encounter at the start of the final mission and it was max'd. Awesome.

[wheat sigil]

using a sticky for the caco is definitely not the objectively best way to deal with them, it has both pros and cons leading me to utilize different ways to take them down

[split gate]

But the thing is with TDA, you understand how powerful your weapons are and you start having fun with experimenting, not because of rules, but because you understand each weapon has potential to change the battlefield

[wheat sigil]

that's not an issue with the game, that stems directly from a lack of player creativity or experimentation

learning to not use a sticky for cacos is great

[split gate]

It’s not an issue at all, I’m just saying it just doesn’t encourage player creativity enough. Yes it can give an idea, but it doesn’t push the player enough to think for a moment

[hard thistle]

whatever the best way to deal with em is up to the player. I have dealt with cacos in other ways too

[split gate]

Given how fast Eternal is in combat, you have a split second decision and your brain gravitates towards the one that is the most effective given past experiences

[wheat sigil]

and how would TDA diverge from this then? given how it got arguably weapons that are more op

[hoary heron]

I think the only shield mechanic I've seen so far that makes it more useful than other runes is that ethereal daggers can bypass most enemy blocks such as mancubus parry net and the cacodemon energy field iirc

[hard thistle]

For me TDA really is just Parry > SSG > Occasional fist

And I'm digging it, I might like this game more than Eternal

[split gate]

What I’ve seen is that most of the weapons in TDA can turn the tide in any battle. Shredder and pincushion combo stops a Mancubus while killing other demons from a far distance. Or you could go in close and just heat blast accelerator. Or fuck it grenade launcher. Entirely up to you

[hard thistle]

I basically platinum'd it, if Bethesda fixes the berserker bug and gives me my trophy, that platinum is MINE.

Hot take,
the high end skill level of TDA exceeds Eternal

[split gate]

Or cycler to see every demon electrified

[hard thistle]

Killing every demon with E L E C T R I C I T Y

https://tenor.com/view/electro-tasm2-tasm-2-spider-man-spiderman-gif-14520949002149672142

[hoary heron]

Try shredder with ricochet, using an non fodder demon as a tool to spray spikes on nearby demons is a riot and can be a nice mob clear

[split gate]

While exploring the game, I try and figure out what haven’t I used yet in a battle. Should I try this? Should I try rocket launcher against Aggadon given parrying can increase its power.

[wheat sigil]

yeah, most weapons in TDA are OP, which is why i wondered how TDA can promote more player experimentation than eternal

[hard thistle]

I have tried this out when farming, I like the concept

[wheat sigil]

because actually learning to not only use the sticky bomb for cacos in eternal will benefit you greatly

[split gate]

Yes that is true and that is what I also learned when playing Eternal. It’s just that most players are usually casuals, and the thought doesn’t come into mind 😔. Using your shoulder cannon grenade can be great for a caco if you ran out of shotgun shells

[hoary heron]

Yeah, imagine if DoomTDA got it's own freeze thrower.

[wheat sigil]

using a frag grenade for cacos is a bad idea

[hoary heron]

Freeze a whole mob of enemy's then throw your shield and SHATTER em

[split gate]

Or arbalest

[hoary heron]

Demon ice cubes for your craft beer

[wheat sigil]

frags are awesome for controlling the battlefield, saving yourself, and for combos, using one for a caco is a waste (plus its trajectory is very awkward)

[split gate]

Maybe for close ranges, I’ve had moments where I had to like this

[hard thistle]

I never felt comfy using them for cacos yeah

For me frags were always for crowd control

And to combo against that biznatch Davoth

[split gate]

Frags were just falter for me to kill tougher demons

[hard thistle]

Yeah I also used it against Tyrants after freezing em and then unloading my chaingun on them

[wheat sigil]

generally frag grenades are best utilized to control the arena

but using them to prolong your stay in one area and thereby maximizing DPS is also valid

[hard thistle]

"I WILL DEVOUR YOUR SOUL"

Me with a frag and mobile turret: "Doubt."

And I know you can one-cycle davoth with grenades and other shit too but I'm not that far yet

TDA first DOOM game where I'm completely gold

[split gate]

Yeah but in short, for me, TDA just encourages more creativity given that each weapons can be used for any situation, not only specific situations to kill a specific demon in a specific type of way. Of course in Eternal, there is more than one way to kill a demon and control the battlefield. And when you master it, it’s bloody fantastic. The weapons in TDA can just apply to almost any situation

[hoary heron]

Hmm actually better idea, a shield rune that turns all parried ranged attacks into projectiles that freeze whatever enemy they land on.

[wheat sigil]

wouldn't the fact that all weapons are op and equally viable for anything lead to creativitt ajd experimentation being redundant?

sure, try out another weapon, but it wouldn't actually benefit you in that case

[tranquil moss]

yeah considering you can just use ssg and melee and you'd be set for 90% of the game

[split gate]

That is true but I didn’t feel that way for me. It is definitely possible to approach it that way. It was just for me, coming out of Eternal, I was just surprised to see that most weapons were viable

[hard thistle]

All TDA weapons are equal but SSG is more equal than the rest

(This is a joke, there's very little instances in TDA where a specific weapon is necessary to take out a specific weakspot. It's not like in The Ancient Gods where you need Microbeam for Spirits)

[wheat sigil]

why were you surprised to see most weapons being viable?

[split gate]

Sorry maybe viable is the wrong term, more like the realisation that any demon can be killed with any gun and it can still control the battlefield in some way

Like the game encouraged this for me, I didn’t feel it when I played Eternal

[hard thistle]

Yeah Eternal's combat loop is very different

[split gate]

Like what I’ve seen with weapons is that its effects can control the battlefield in a specific way and I felt like it was up to me how to approach it.

[wheat sigil]

i am struggling to see your point

[split gate]

For example like the accelerator heat blast vs the pincushion technique. Both can be effective at dealing a horde consisting of one tanky enemy like a Mancubus and multiple fodder/medium demons. I can use accelerator to charge the heat blast by shooting at the Mancubus and then killing the entire horde, or I can go at a distance and stun the Mancubus with the shield and then kill the horde using the shredder pincushion

If that makes sense

That was when it clicked for me I guess, and more ideas just popped for me

Or just shield the mancubus to stun and then ssg it asap and then handle the rest your own way

[sage stratus]

From my (agreed, humble) experience, while choosing the correct weapon ind TDA is quite important, what realy makes a difference in efficiency is just going at it.

In other games, a more carefull approach might work better, you suffer less damage and might get a tactical advantage from going slow. For me perrsonaly forget about that in TDA (and also in eternal). The more aggressive you go at it, the better off you'll be.

Rush in, kill fast will give a better chance of survival, if only because the armor shards and health drops of the slain enemies keep you alive.

What has been a rule of thumb for FPS in general: "Move it or loose it" is an absolutely basic, mandatory law for D°°M.

[vital rapids]

Arguably, though, most of the weapons seem to be beasts if upgraded and used right

[hard thistle]

They can be for sure

[idle solar]

idk it felt like i didn't really have to do much for optimal damage, it felt like comboing weapons was just going out of my way for not much benefit

[split gate]

Yes that’s true. The essence of Doom is still there, which is what makes it great

[vital rapids]

Impaler initially seems the easiest to use because of all that damage up front in one shot + no need to close, but I like the cycler and it can certainly take out the trash

[hard thistle]

My fav will always be SSG

[vital rapids]

Ssg is unbelievable. Always good to see a shotgun given the centre stage it deserves in Doom 👌🏻

[split gate]

SSG never fails in a Doom game, it’s Lucifer’s Bane for a reason, op af

[hard thistle]

It goes insanely hard, but i will also give points to combat shotgun

I do love how Super Shotgun never needs fancy mods to be perfect, it just needs to exist for what it is

Like, D2016 and Eternal, no mods. TDA, no weird special effects when mass-upgraded. But it still goes hard for raw power and that's what I love about it.

[split gate]

Seeing the upgrades makes this funnier, the last upgrade is to add an extra pellet, as if it’s already not op

[hard thistle]

“Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon...”
― Terry Pratchett

Nothing beats the good ol' boom stick.

[hoary heron]

I do like the grenade launcher though, watching explosive balls bounce their way towards their target and exploding in an enemies face is certainly satisfying.

[hard thistle]

Absolutely

[split gate]

I use it when I’m lazy haha

[uneven mortar]

Could someone please DM me the link to the Ultrakill discord? Thanks :)

[wheat sigil]

this isn't entirely true for TDA or Eternal
sure, being aggressive in Eternal is good, but you can easily be too aggressive, it's even more like this in TDA. trying to go as aggressive as i go in Eternal in TDA usually leads to being punished, staying somewhat back and parrying a lot is usually better, which is a bit repetitive and not very engaging. both games suffer from having a very broad playstyle be dominant which isn't really the most engaging (air camping in Eternal, staying back in TDA)

[wheat sigil]

and what do you mean this leads to exactly?

[brave leaf]

Just completed chapter 2

Not complaining but this might be the easiest doom game ngl

[pearl harbor]

yeah nah mate 🤣

[brave leaf]

Like I might actually consider raising the difficulty for once

[wheat sigil]

it gets harder

[brave leaf]

Oh cool

[wheat sigil]

but you also have tons of sliders and difficulty options

[hard thistle]

Difficulty becomes more meaningless by the day with some games

I already stopped feeling certain about doing boss rankings in elden ring for example

[brave leaf]

Oh this is the chapter with the mech
Sweet

[split gate]

There’s multiple ways 🤩. If you want to push through straight forward to get to somewhere beyond horde, or like the fights close and personal, you can use the first option. If you want to go around the horde from a safe distance while still dealing effective damage to keep spacing between another tougher demon coming up from miles ahead like a Cosmic Baron, the second option. Of course, this horde is not limited to these options, there’s so much more

Of course, nothing beats just using the SSG if you want to kill the Mancubus asap, only if you’re willing to run to give space to the horde

[brave leaf]

The way that they drop weapons to you like it's a batman arkham game

[wheat sigil]

i kinda see your point, but there's multiple ways in both games, no?

[pallid wing]

What stands out to me with TDA, is that it's important to sequence the enemies.
What I mean is, the order you engage in is really important. Like classical Doom.
The revenant is a prime example of this, as imo he needs to be taken out asap with some bashing and SSG.
The mancubus isn't as threatening, and you can farm some parties from it.

Eternal didn't have this, outside of maybe the Archvile. Everything had a weak spot. As long as you hit weak spots, it didn't matter who you fought first, second, third, etc.

[wheat sigil]

this is just false though, if you don't prioritize targets, you're missing out big time

[pallid wing]

Really? I don't remember a revenant or arachnotron being priority... Outside of the first mission or when possessed by the spirit

[hollow lion]

Really loved those parts of the game

[hard thistle]

ARKHAM MENTION🔥💯🔥💯

[wheat sigil]

the revenant and arachnotron are usually quite low down on the target priority list

however, certain environments can make revenants lethal

[split gate]

Yes that’s true. It’s just that TDA is more open ended for me in terms of how you can approach the battlefield. For me, I’m not inclined to target weakpoints, given the heavy emphasis in Eternal because not targeting weakpoints can be a massive problem, I’m just encouraged to control the battlefield with the weapons I can choose at my disposal

That sounds like I’m also explaining Eternal but there’s a really fine line if that makes sense.

[wheat sigil]

xd
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255209774971224149/1330828645442523146/cgjyhk.mp4?ex=683431c2&is=6832e042&hm=4060e4162d0b287e16e371297d360c5c9e27cf7dbdcf3fbd860035ef4a0b5d5c&

[pallid wing]

TDA has my favorite arachnotron. I was kinda bummed they nerfed the arachnotron in eternal. Suppressing fire 🔥

[split gate]

@wheat sigil Like I get what you mean, I really do, and I do see it from Eternal’s perspective, it’s just that I don’t feel the same with Eternal, it’s sounds confusing 😭

[wheat sigil]

alright lol

[uneven mortar]

tbh it would have been good if demons had high-tech armor with cannons or something, so you could break it and leave them like a weak point

like, armored demons arent really any more dangerous, whereas an intact arachnotron is a problem in eternal

also there should have been armored revenants

[brave leaf]

Skullcrusher is the most metal weapon I've ever seen

[uneven mortar]

chainshot is more metal hueh hueh hueh

[split gate]

Who tf came up with that gun, it’s the most metal thing ever

[hard thistle]

they should make the lost souls armored

[uneven mortar]

that would be hilarious

[wheat sigil]

evil

[split gate]

Imagine being chased by 10 of them down in a hallway, good luck

Hugo Martin would definitely do

[rose dagger]

Anyone having issues where the game freezes when trying to start a game? (New game, continue chapter, replay chapter)

[brave leaf]

Wait so did they give the slayer the dragon or did he get one before the events of the game

[queen atlas]

Do we have any idea when the story dlc is coming out?

[earnest swift]

No, but it’ll probably be out within a year given the expansions for "Eternal".

[hard thistle]

no

[queen atlas]

Am I the only one who felt like the campaign wasn't noticably longer than eternal's? Also at least eternal had multiplayer and master levels + player made levels you could play. Dark ages is just finish the campaign once and you're done

[iron estuary]

he got it beforehand, if you read the codex for serrat they have some history

[terse hollow]

The dragon was originally tamed by the setinals but serrat got injured and doom guy saved him, serrats been his since

[brave leaf]

So they mind controlled his dragon too 😭
I would think he'd be pissed at that

[iron estuary]

no the dragon just really likes doomguy since he saved him

[terse hollow]

I think they controlled all kinds of dragons, this is just the one doom guy saved lmao

[brave leaf]

No I mean since doomguy is being controlled

[iron estuary]

i mean by extension then yeah actually, dragon trusts guy thats controlled and therefore is also controlled

[brave leaf]

Actually it's funny because they're making the slayer do something he'd probably be doing anyways 💀
Just maybe in a more specific manner

[mellow crater]

Except Pandemonium and Ultra Nightmare achievements, I fully beat doom tda

[terse hollow]

Well, thats because it was🤣 eternal had 13 chapters before dlc and tda has 22. Also most likely we will get all of that with tda in time too just not right away

Its still only what, the second week😅

[mellow crater]

As new person to franchise
10/10, will buy dlc

And since I'm on game pass I'm moving on to Doom Eternal

[terse hollow]

Maybe not multi-player actually, which im okay with

[queen atlas]

No I said that I felt like eternal wasn't shorter than the dark ages. I'm really disappointed by how short the campaign is. Spending 80 euro's for a game you finish in like 20 hours max is kind of a bad deal. I guess I've been spoiled by games that I can easily play for 100-130 hours before running out of content

[mellow crater]

Have you tried collecting everything, 100%ing it?

[queen atlas]

I did that the first time around

[terse hollow]

Oh my bad, completely mis read it I guess. It felt longer than eternal to me, and all of the doom games are short thats just the kind of game it is unfortunately, I don't think any of the doom games are longer than 20-30 hours of gameplay first playthrough

And im sure master levels will come, player made levels are a given that just takes some time

[hard thistle]

not every game can be 100 hours long bro, but yeah I recommend people wait for a discount before buying tda

[queen atlas]

I guess it's fine if they add master levels and horde mode. But then again, the game should have been released with those in the first place

[hard thistle]

yeah I agree should haven released with more content

[pulsar warren]

Hi all, I'm having issues on savedata for dark ages. The game is on gamepass, and when I start the game, it seems that there is no data saved. Have you got any advice?

[terse hollow]

Can agree but it obviously would've taken a while longer to come out. With how it is right now its better that they didnt try to add all of that stuff and rush it out because it would've ended up with alot more broken shit like half the other games coming out the last few years

[vital rapids]

Personally, I think there will be more to come. Either directly or via DLC. They've already talked about masters
Would also like MP/snapmaps

But MP is a sideshow really

[hard thistle]

there IS more to come it's not just ur opinion it's a fact

[vital rapids]

User made maps would make this game legendary

[pallid wing]

It's not twice as long as eternal, for sure. I also think about half life 2 having 16 chapters.
Its definitely a lengthy single player. Maybe even longer than HL2.

[harsh egret]

thing is hugo mentioned master levels as something that they can "possibly" do meanwhile before the dlc, so they prob got ways to go until that comes out lol, atleast it sounds like to me

[pallid wing]

I'm betting the DLC has 11 chapters

[harsh egret]

im betting it doesnt

around 8-9 sounds most plausable

[hard thistle]

many chapters are short in tda

[pallid wing]

TDA DLC: Atlan Rampage

[rain glen]

So who is the fleekazoid is he another synthetic man. Apparently he's trying to once again crap on the game.

[hard thistle]

who?

[hollow sandal]

Lol! Fleekazoid??

[terse hollow]

Thing is people look at a 20-30 hour sp game that costs just as much as something like idk let's just say elden ring which was the same price and think thats only a fraction of the time so how could it be worth it. And even though its still a awesome game its hard to blame people for seeing things like that

[hollow sandal]

Goodmorning

[rain glen]

Apparently assman gold a brainless gorm who never cleans his room reacted to his weird doom the dark ages bad take.

[vital rapids]

It's become a thing. I keep getting Doom videos recommended and then when you watch it, it's just a guy repeating meme takes, usually with a few mistakes

[rain glen]

Ohh okay.

[delicate grotto]

The $70 USD price point is spendy for a game consisting of only a singleplayer campaign that averages 20-25 hours of gameplay. I’d argue it should have been $50 maximum, or as said, released with more content.
Still, TDA’s campaign is the most detailed and technically impressive out of the entire franchise. The maps are much more expansive than the previous 2 Doom games. The Atlan and dragon sections are also some of the more complex gameplay additions we’ve seen in a Doom game.

Not defending the price, but I think that’s where most of the resources went. Hoping for more content outside the DLC as well.

[hard thistle]

bro what are u even on about

[rain glen]

Nothing.

[hard thistle]

lol okay

[hollow sandal]

Streamer asmongold has TDA Bad take

[rain glen]

Yep

[brave leaf]

Sentinel Barracks cleared

[hard thistle]

oh streamer, ion watch any

[dusty raven]

isnt that the guy who was trashing the game by using steam statistics?

[hollow sandal]

Noice

[harsh egret]

thing is u dont buy doom games with the "1 dollar per hour" logic, eternal was 10 bucks less while offering a smaller campaign as well, it has more extra content like multiplayer on launch sure but not many people played that really

[hollow sandal]

Soery I'm not sure. I was just translating here

[vital rapids]

It was a wow streamer who turned out to be trash at wow so branched out into repeating current outrage topic for the clicks

[terse hollow]

Yeah i never touched multi-player or felt any want to😅 and im not saying thats how I think, just clearly is how others see it. And as someone who mainly likes playing sp games i can 100% see where they're coming from even though you're right

[delicate grotto]

Yes it is.
Luckily most people realize how much of a gross moron he is.

[terse hollow]

Just need to try to convince them that its still worth it somehow

[hard thistle]

did bro just say atlan and dragon are complex gameplay additions 💀

[harsh egret]

i didnt see these complaints when eternal came out, maybe cuz battlemode was a thing even tho not many ppl played it but yeah idk

[hard thistle]

whatever pays the rent I guess

[vital rapids]

He can't be that much of a moron if he gets to be a hobo and not go to work but have money while the rest of us have to go to work tbh

[delicate grotto]

Design wise, yes they are.
Doom hasn’t had separate “vehicle” sections before and id isn’t known for designing gameplay like that.
So absolutely.

[hollow sandal]

The rent. The rent!

Chronic reapah

[vital rapids]

Exactly. Got to bring that nvidia money
By which I mean, be able to drop 2.5k on PC upgrades
Not sponsorship

[hard thistle]

that doesn't make em complex

[terse hollow]

I would honestly buy a game thats just fully playing as a atlan😅 but It just reminded me of pacific rim so I love those chapters

[harsh egret]

ngl i enjoyed especially the atlan segments even more on my 2nd playthrough somehow

[vital rapids]

I think I would too
A game that was entirely dragon gameplay less so

[terse hollow]

Yeah... fuck the dragon gameplay lol, still rip

[harsh egret]

dragon gameplay is fine..

[hard thistle]

bro the atlan are just punch punch and dodge very simple easy to avoid attacks to win😭 but I guess one mans trash is another mans treasure

[harsh egret]

ok, ill word it better, dragon SEGMENTS were fine, dragon GAMEPLAY not the best

[vital rapids]

Thing is, the dragon kills kind of take the sucky edge off the rest of the experience by being awesome

[hard thistle]

yeah that

[terse hollow]

Have you ever watched pacific rim? That's a pretty realistic fight for a huge ass mf machine 😅 thats why the second movie doesnt exist because they tried making the movement and action all fast paced

[hard thistle]

I have obviously

[terse hollow]

Sounds better on paper, but it isn't right with things that are meant to be colossal

[vital rapids]

They could lean a whole lot harder into the mech gameplay for a DLC or something and I'd buy

[pallid wing]

Elden ring is great. But a lot of people do not envy the grind of numbers.

[hard thistle]

but me loving the movie doesn't make the atlan gameplay more engaging, it's still like uncooked

[hard thistle]

only if they like rework it n make it more engaging

[terse hollow]

Yeah if they focused more on it and maybe added more variety for the enemies it would be perfect for a dlc

[vital rapids]

Also, empty RPG. Also also, controller-focused gameplay. Also also also, third person 🤢

[delicate grotto]

Designing 2 vastly different gameplay sections is resource heavy. Especially when they’re used for only specific parts of the campaign.
It isn’t the same as making a rideable vehicle, or shooting a mounted turret.
The scale, mechanics and enemy design all have to be approached differently. It’s like making a separate game entirely.
For example, Boss fights take around 6 months to 2 years to develop, and that’s using resources already in the game.
Atlan and dragon have unique assets tied to their respective mechanics.
In terms of gameplay, they aren’t complex.
I’m talking about the complexity of game design. Things are a lot harder to implement than surface level.

[rain glen]

Has asmon even cleaned his room yet. He's literally a imp from doom. Cyraxx is the stone imps.

[hollow sandal]

He's fuggin cooked bro

[hard thistle]

it would be a nightmare in first person

[vital rapids]

He should do a team-up with Jordan Peterson

[terse hollow]

Not saying it should, was just saying that the slow punches / dodges makes sense and fits. But i agree they could've done more with it to make it feel more engaging outside of speeding things up

[rain glen]

Yep.

[terse hollow]

No clue why im stuck on that like speeding shit up is the only way to change it😅

[hollow sandal]

Yep he's cooked? Or yep team up?

[vital rapids]

"Daddy Peterson fixes the Asmongold cinematic universe!"

"Clean your room"

[hoary heron]

In another dimension Atlanwarrior: Mercenaries is a long running successful IP. That features 5 distinct Argenta houses against several demon clans.

[delicate grotto]

And that complexity is added onto when a developer isn’t familiar with making mech gameplay or 3rd person vehicles.

[rain glen]

He's cooked

Along with fleekazoid

[vital rapids]

In that universe, there is ATLANTECH

[hard thistle]

yeah game design probably yeah, but I only care about the gameplay, and like u said the gameplay is not complex

[hoary heron]

There's also an old cartoon that was made in the 80s

[hollow sandal]

Oh yeaaa that reminds me MIXOM™

The in universe steel company

[brave leaf]

Definitely gotta get used to the dragon

[terse hollow]

You won't. They make sure to time out the gap inbetween the first dragon chapter and the second that by the time you use it again you'll remeber nothing accept how much you hated it😅

[delicate grotto]

Okay, fair enough.
But I was making a point that TDA’s campaign isn’t as long due to things like the Atlan and Dragon. There’s only so many resources a developer is given.

[terse hollow]

Nah.. its not really that bad but thats what it felt like for me lmfao

[crimson trellis]

beserker achievement bugged for me and didnt trigger

was the last thing i had left to do in the game

[thorny rose]

I'm starting to 100% half of the levels in the game

[upbeat cipher]

There’s 2 ways to get it either play through the game again and collect all resources to upgrade all the shield ruins and upgrades and melee weapons at the same time or until they release the patch for it 😂

[crimson trellis]

its 100% complete in my head

[upbeat cipher]

Fair fair 😂

[crimson trellis]

i cant be bothered lmao, if anything maybe i'd try a save game file that already has it

[brave leaf]

Obviously it's not the same as mick but I think the music is fine honestly

[dusk robin]

lets hope Dark Ages gets a horde mode and new weapons for when the DLCs drop

[velvet elbow]

Should I be an asshole and share Civvie’s review which is only available to patreon atm

[arctic pagoda]

Doom the bonk ages

[indigo sandal]

Does he think it’s mid?

[worldly yacht]

Has anyone here been stuck on an infinite loading screen when they boot up the game on the Xbox app?

[velvet elbow]

He likes it

[limpid coral]

Any tips for cyberdemon? Im playing on ultraviolence and have problems with him

[indigo sandal]

Yikes

[velvet elbow]

Parry or die

[velvet elbow]

So far he’s actually really enjoying it

[limpid coral]

So close range and ss?

[velvet elbow]

Pretty much yeah

If you wanna fight him you gotta be willing to get hit

[indigo sandal]

You don’t really have t be close for cyber demon. You can unload maxed Cycler on nightmare and he goes down

Just keep strafing

[velvet elbow]

He’s right, but forcing melee does give you more opportunities, especially if you got the canablism upgrade for the rocket launcher

[limpid coral]

Lol he died instantly thank you

[velvet elbow]

Good job bro

Just make sure you keep all other enemies in mind, that will kill you

[limpid coral]

Tbh I remember from eternal it was glory kill for health, flamethrower for armor and chainsaw for ammo and here I cant get a touch what does what

[deep skiff]

Anyone misses the glory kills?

[velvet elbow]

Resource management isn’t a huge factor here, you kill and get stuff

[worldly yacht]

I do

[velvet elbow]

As cool as they were I agree TDA does better without it

[empty furnace]

can confirm. i beat elden ring 3 times and have 2 abandoned characters both of which stopped at farum azula

[limpid coral]

I do, these are more like finishers

[wheat sigil]

melee->ammo
glory strikes->ammo+health
random equipment->armor

[hollow sandal]

Yea

[velvet elbow]

https://youtu.be/AL8pDJTF6T0?si=PIi441JTqAlJMcq9

[hollow sandal]

Thanks boss

[velvet elbow]

Np, civvie’s got enough money as is

[hollow sandal]

Exactly lolol

[limpid coral]

Melee with flail dropes armor

[hollow sandal]

He'll be ok

[wheat sigil]

yes, random equipment

[short plinth]

am I insane for doing Dark Ages UV 150% speed

[deep skiff]

Man, Idk about that maybe it does, But glory kills were literal such a part of doom's identity and most importantly they were fun

[tawdry crypt]

W

[empty furnace]

sometimes i use chainsaw for health

[hollow sandal]

Do sounds come from the Xbox controller in this game?

[limpid coral]

I dont have it yet, is it in sheild?

[empty furnace]

only if im really desperate

[wheat sigil]

part of doom's identity😭
they were in two games and many people did not enjoy how they removed player autonomy

[empty furnace]

no i was talking about eternal there
Yes, its in the shield

[short plinth]

isn't it crazy how Doom 2016 and Sleep Token both turn 10 years old next year

[limpid coral]

Ah yes, sweet eternal times

[empty furnace]

we are reaching unc status

[short plinth]

I'm already unc status.

I'm 35

[hollow sandal]

Anyone playing on Xbox here?

[deep skiff]

Yeah, like jumping and doing the finisher gives a glory kill animation but still I feel like it should have been like a slider those who want can turn it on and those who don't could just skip

[hollow sandal]

Niiiice

[short plinth]

I'm an uncle of 5

[hollow sandal]

I hope life is good for your sir 🫡

[deep skiff]

It was one of the few things which made modern doom so iconic. Many people did not enjoy? Well many people did not enjoy them getting removed too

[fierce river]

Is there a challenge where you beat the game without any upgrade? If not I’m just gonna start upgrading 🥀

[velvet elbow]

Okay what the fuck civvie’s review just uploaded

What I did was pointless

[hollow sandal]

Lmfaooooo

[hollow sandal]

Sorry boss, not sure. May as well upgrade

[fierce river]

So all this time I went with 0 upgrades on nightmare

🥀

[velvet elbow]

Okay Civvie actually likes the dragon, just not the gimmick parts of it

[honest vortex]

I just got Berserker achievement last night lmao

[wheat sigil]

damage in this game is utterly ridiculous

on 50% damage to demons and they still die fast

[velvet elbow]

Civvie loves the mech shotgun

[rustic nacelle]

For you, will this game win any awards at the Game Awards?

[brave leaf]

Cycler might be my favorite weapon to use so far

[velvet elbow]

This so far is my favorite game of 2025. I don’t like turn based combat so I didn’t play Expedition 33

[brave leaf]

Favorite design is definitely skullcrusher though

[dusty raven]

the ssg just destroys everything

[frank turtle]

The ssg design is peak

[honest vortex]

When the shockwaves starts spreading to more and more enemies and you make sure it doesn't go away is pretty damn cool.

[wheat sigil]

everything destroys everything

[frank turtle]

doom guy

[dusty raven]

thats probably the best way to put it

[honest vortex]

Indubitably

[brave leaf]

Oh like 2 new weapons in one level

Good old super shotgun

[fierce river]

Does anyone know if there is a challenge for 0 upgrades for a run? I need to know

[indigo sandal]

It’s really underrated. I used it a lot in end game for nightmare. The debuff and overheat are good.

[indigo sandal]

No, it’s pretty dang mid

[crimson trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wydL14tOa3s

CV 11 has a video on the game now

[wheat ibex]

I feel like TDA has a chance to win something!

It’s definitely the only game I was looking forward to this year, and I’m impressed with it. It’s so immersive my pc is on fire.

[true wadi]

Do you get anything from beating the game on Pandemonium so far I've been using it to practice before UN but I think I got the general hang of it and want to go straight to UN but dont want to miss a skin or something

[pallid wing]

I'm so sick of this "it's not doom eternal" nonsense.

[rustic nacelle]

Yes, something is won as a prize, but, game of the year and music I don't think so.

[wheat ibex]

Like, I respect that ID software decided to make a different doom game. Each title is unique in their own ways.

[dusk robin]

im currently watching it now

[pallid wing]

I was in lan parties for halo2sucks. It was never about changed systems. It was, why is auto-aim making my plasma rifle shoot at a 90• angle?

Marathon has auto-aim as a weapon stat ffs.
People haven't caught on that the flail is a multi shot flamethrower in TDA.

[paper jay]

[velvet elbow]

Okay, long story short he loves The Dark Ages “fun as fuck” and “doesn’t miss”

[frank turtle]

Based doomer

[pallid wing]

I dunno. This is my game of the year. Death stranding 2, ghost of tsushima 2, ninja gaiden 4, ... Many more titles need to be played

[harsh egret]

i got a friend of mine last week to play both 2016 and eternal, he started playing TDA today and he is already loving it and saying this is by far his fav doom game

goated game really idk what to say

[velvet elbow]

It’s a tough fight for GOTY this year

[dusk robin]

I actually got my gf into doom

[harsh egret]

nicee

[harsh egret]

hows she liking it

[honest vortex]

Damn basically every YouTube review really do either dislike the game or think it's a huge downgrade from 2016 and Eternal .

So it's refreshing to see a positive YouTube review for once

[dusk robin]

she hasn't played yet but she likes the lore of Doomguy/Slayer and was asking me what the lore for Dark Ages would be

[harsh egret]

i didnt feel like that was the case, it was just divided asf but ive seen plenty of reviewers overall enjoy the game, but reviewers are never a good metric of how good a game is imo

[honest vortex]

Also apparently Asmon is now hating the game lmao

[wheat ibex]

I really don’t get the whole “downgrade” statement

I’ve seen some even talk about the lack of a hub like eternal. 2016 didn’t have a hub and it stood on its own. I think doom dark ages is another strong title to this franchise 🔥

[harsh egret]

he fuckin stopped playing didnt he? or did he start again

i remember he stopped playing after like 2 hrs

[wheat ibex]

Asmon?? Ewww

[harsh egret]

same as fkin xqc, like bro why are u even playing

also yeah asmongold is a moron

[wheat ibex]

The cockroach in his room could probably play the game better than him

[honest vortex]

Hell yeah.

[harsh egret]

i think out of everyone on the internet, i care about his opinion about anything THE LEAST

[gritty matrix]

No, but not because isn't good, because the critic reacted mildly to it.

[river fern]

Asmongold's integrity is about as clean and pristine as his room

[hard thistle]

and who is he?

[honest vortex]

DSP hates it, though of course DSP hates EVERYTHING. So like whatever lol

[wheat ibex]

I forgot DSP was a real person

[crimson trellis]

think AVGN-lite but for pc gun shooty games

[hard thistle]

u guys talking bout streamers n youtubers again?

[honest vortex]

Didn't know he tried Dark Ages

[hidden bane]

Dead Rat Alarm™️

[dusk robin]

he hates everything he plays and begs his audience for money

[hard thistle]

and avgn is what exactly?

[hidden bane]

Angry Video Game Nerd

[harsh egret]

he stopped playing after like 2-3 hrs calling the game a 6/10 and started talking about how for a big budget AAA game like this, its just not good enough or smth like that, dont quote me on it

[river fern]

Civvie 11 is pretty chill though

[honest vortex]

Apparently he said he "loved 2016" when playing Eternal, but if you look at his 2016 footage he was hating on that game as well lol

[harsh egret]

but then again xqc also has some stupid takes

[dusk robin]

exactly

[crimson trellis]

civvie is top tier youtuber, with a very specific niche

[crisp vapor]

Isn’t DSP the guy that got caught beating it on stream

[crimson trellis]

7/10

[honest vortex]

Oh wait my mind messed up, I thought you were talking about DSP giving it a 6/10. My bad

[hidden bane]

I enjoy Civvie, he got me back into boomber shooters when I discovered his Blood videos

[dusk robin]

yup

[rustic nacelle]

Good point

[crisp vapor]

lol

[crimson trellis]

he called it a 7/10 and "a one note game" after killing vagary on NM

[harsh egret]

either way why is he giving a score when he is just quitting the game after 2 hrs

[honest vortex]

Oh wait no. You WERE talking about DSP.

My mind messed up again

[crimson trellis]

oh i thought you meant asmon

[hard thistle]

what game?

[brave leaf]

Finally finished the holy city of aratum

[hidden bane]

I don't expect Asmon to have good Dark Ages takes either. Did he even speak on it?

[brave leaf]

That felt like forever

[crisp vapor]

“Erm he’s actually called space marine, Sorry I’m not into the new lore or whatever”

[harsh egret]

tda

[hidden bane]

I'm gonna commit a felony istg

[honest vortex]

Tbf some reviewers call the first half "okay" and the second half "amazing"

Probably would rank it highly in the second half.

Who knows

[hard thistle]

yeah 7/10 is fair for tda, I'd personally give it a 8/10

[brave leaf]

Same so far

[velvet elbow]

It’s a 9.5 out of 10 for me, new update pushed it higher

[crisp vapor]

DSP’s gameplay is so bad, he’s allergic to using the SSG, he’s only using the shredder most of the time, just stand still, and just never uses the shield, like bro, I was able to get good at the game for a few seconds

[harsh egret]

giving anything a score when ur 2 hrs into the game is just brainless

[gritty matrix]

My honest opinion, it's nice, a bit of a drag in some circumstances but it's innovative and has a very interesting mix of shooting and melee

[honest vortex]

Tbh I didn't even watch the review, but judging by the comments to Asmon's review, it sounded like he was hating on it. Saying it didn't feel like DOOM and was a tremendous downgrade or something like that

[crisp vapor]

Same bro, That’s his occupation not his name, DSP is honestly a ragebaiter to be fair bro

[ionic lotus]

It's only me or the secrets are reaeeeeeeeally easy to find

[wheat ibex]

I love that we’re encouraged to use the entire arsenal to our disposal and get creative with it. There’s so many combinations to mess around with. Especially when you max out the difficulty.

[crisp vapor]

Fr

I love the dark ages

[hard thistle]

part of the design

[crisp vapor]

But i mostly used the SSG tho

[honest vortex]

Also his fanbase in the comments was like; "sorry your first introduction to new DOOM was the worst one. You should try 2016 and Eternal, Asmon."

[velvet elbow]

Innovative is what I care for, in an industry where we get CoD clones ever half hour

[wheat ibex]

Ssg is so good

[hidden bane]

"Didn't feel like Doom"
Slow projectile speed, big arenas, breakneck movement speed, highly horizontal gameplay? Nope, not Doom at all

[terse hollow]

Lmfao ngl I thought most people stopped watching him years ago😅 i don't think I've watched any of his videos since Covid

[ionic lotus]

Bad design

[terse hollow]

He rarley had good takes on anything. Always seemed to want to be as negative as possible

[hidden bane]

Do people think Doom started being a thing in 2016

[honest vortex]

Yeah, a lot of his fans in the comment section was hating on Dark Ages too, but calling 2016 and Eternal masterpieces

[harsh egret]

subjective take but alr

[hidden bane]

I wouldn't advocate for genocide, but,

[hard thistle]

it's works for tda, the maps are massive. They didn't want u to spend 2 hours on one chapter looking for a toy figure and a gun skin

[crisp vapor]

Fr, Unpopular and dangerous opinion but.. the SSG in dark ages is better than eternal & 2016s SSG, when it comes to design, sound, and gameplay, it freaking one shots almost everything!

[harsh egret]

ur not playing elden ring rolling into walls trying to reveal secret fake walls

[hidden bane]

I wanna hump walls

[crisp vapor]

WOOAA-

[river fern]

For me TDA is an 8.5/10, it could've used the potential to dedicate more of the story to the Slayer and how he coped with past events, instead it spends a lot of time to explain the relevance of the Sentinels to the lore

[hidden bane]

I wanna go up against some succulent cobblestone and go UNF UNF UNF UNF

[honest vortex]

Highly explorative and secretive maps too, especially in the second half where it starts to feel like a DOOM II Megawad

[pallid wing]

Level 10 is when I was like... Dang!

[hard thistle]

for many it did

[wheat ibex]

Actually I agree with that

I thought I was tripping on some argent energy when the supper shotgun blows nightmare imps or whatever the ancestor is to the Archville lol and bigger enemies in half in a few shots. Oh it’s called the imp stalker

[crisp vapor]

Fr, speaking of imps, the imps in dark ages are better than Eternals & 2016s too

[hidden bane]

Oh I absolutely know that a lot of people people got introduced to it through 2016, I just mean that there is no "This doesn't feel like Doom" with how much the series has bounced around the place

[river fern]

People were calling DOOM a Halo clone in 2015 when the first gameplay trailers went public

[wheat sigil]

nah eternal's ssg in gameplay regard is amazing
tda's just does big damage

[honest vortex]

I think I prefer the sound of 2016's double shot, but I do love TDA's design and sound as well.

I wish it didn't one shot everything though.

[crisp vapor]

Specifically talking about the Imp Stalkers, not the Purple long white hair imps

[hard thistle]

wdym copes with past events?

[ionic lotus]

Maybe you're right

[crisp vapor]

Yeah, 2016 does have a good SSG sound

[brave leaf]

Yo the fact he broke free after hearing people screaming for help 🔥

[alpine pilot]

imp stalkers are basically imp gym bros on steroids

[crisp vapor]

True, I love the Meathook in eternal, but the shield is close enough to being the Meathook when using the SSG in TDA

[hidden bane]

✨ Depression ✨

[dusk robin]

they have the build for it

[honest vortex]

But yeah , both TDA and 2016 SSG sounds like God's hammer

[wheat ibex]

I love a lot of the enemy designs in this game.

[hidden bane]

These mfs are NOT natty

[crisp vapor]

FR

[wheat sigil]

the shield is very far from the meathook, but that's good because of how tda works

[crisp vapor]

FOR REAL

[hidden bane]

TDA is highly horizontal, it doesn't need a meathook

[honest vortex]

Ye. I even love the Cosmic Baron designs, even though everyone seems to hate them lol

[alpine pilot]

shield is my meathook

[hard thistle]

he doesn't have any?

[crisp vapor]

Yeah the shield is completely different than the Meathook but! There’s always ways you can find

[hidden bane]

He has a LOT

[harsh egret]

i like it!

[hard thistle]

where, when do we see that?

[wheat ibex]

I don’t get the hate for the cosmic baron

It’s something new. Looks like something you’d see in an HP lovecraft horror movie.

[alpine pilot]

I like that meathook is gone and you can charge into enemies with the shield. Allows you to wield any weapon you want and fully utilize the mechanic

[river fern]

More PTSD than Depression

[honest vortex]

I might....like them....even more than 2016's Barons

[river fern]

Though one does not exclude the other

[hidden bane]

Nuance and subtext, mostly, no character goes in like a Marvel character, looks at the camera, points back to The Slayer with his thumb and says "Wow that guy's sad"

[wheat ibex]

Oh yes I agree

It’s actually a really good design. I love the previous designs of the baron but the cosmic baron is so unique.

[honest vortex]

But I wish we had both

[crisp vapor]

The Cosmic Barons are goated enemy designs, And the name makes sense for other barons, now I know why the Barons are called Barons of Hell, because their Hells Versions of barons, the cosmic realm has the Cosmic Baron, But I wonder… is there a Baron Of Earth.. OR A BARON OF URDAK??

[pallid wing]

I don't get how the baron is now a bigger boss than the tyrant :/
But cosmic baron slap, especially as how there is no freeze bomb

[hard thistle]

I understand but like give an example, never seen the slayer as depressed

[alpine pilot]

Slayer's too angry to be depressed

[hard thistle]

fr

[honest vortex]

I just wish they can hang and climb walls again like the ones in 2016

[hidden bane]

He never speaks unless he absolutely has to, his whole existance is dedicated to killing Demon's, and the rest is spoiler shit

[alpine pilot]

he'd literally take the depression's life sphere, give it a physical form and beat the shit out of it

[wheat ibex]

Fr fr

No matter which baron is present, doom slayer isn’t trapped in the room with that baron

[river fern]

Great, here we go with the headcanon fantasies again

[hard thistle]

and that confirms he has depression how?

[river fern]

What's next, powerscaling?

[alpine pilot]

depressionguy confirmed

[pallid wing]

Cosmic realm is the coolest level design maybe ever in a fps

[crisp vapor]

Yup

[hard thistle]

the ptsd is confirmed in 64 right? nothing is stated about depression?

[pallid wing]

And I'm a Prey stan

[hard thistle]

real

[brave leaf]

Kind of sucks you have to open the dossier to switch your melee weapon but not a huge drawback

[hidden bane]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[pallid wing]

And the first half of TDA is incredible
The open levels are my favorite and best of the series
The Mine in the giant dragon skeleton is fn beautiful

[river fern]

Definitely PTSD and exhaustion

[hidden bane]

I still genuinely don't think it has to be stated anywhere for The Slayer to be depressed. With all he's gone through, it just makes sense

[river fern]

Yeah, the hints are definitely there but he does find ways to cope with it

[hidden bane]

Keeping in mind he's still human, too, and it's no wonder he's all manners of fucked up

[hidden bane]

mmm shotgun

[pallid wing]

I was fully hooked with the Mine level
Forest was like, fine. Are we really just going to do this the whole game? And then BAM with the browns, giant organs, tons of bosses, obscure secrets, and free form ovjectives

The first hell level just doubled down on that feeling

[indigo sandal]

He’s trending towards being a sad and sensitive boy now

[delicate grotto]

Yeah game takes its time getting into the best of itself. Worth it though.

I’d say for anyone doubting the game, finish Siege Part 1 and then see where you stand.

[indigo sandal]

The later levels are better. The game spends too long introducing players gently

[delicate grotto]

A bit too long I’ll agree.

[indigo sandal]

Siege part 1 is probably one of the worst levels. Game gets betyer after the siege sequences imo

[delicate grotto]

Really? Pretty unpopular opinion, most love that level myself included.
Why don’t you like it?

It’s the level that sold me on the game. I wasn’t sure I’d like TDA much until I got to that point.

[honest vortex]

Interesting. I thought it was like the Super Gore Nest of the game.

[indigo sandal]

It’s too big and under designed. The encounters aren’t deliberate enough or interesting

[river fern]

The cosmic realm is the real highlight

[indigo sandal]

I liked the last level actually. It felt like what most of the game should have been in terms of intensity

And enemy placement

[honest vortex]

By this, I mean it's where the game finally starts to click.

Not that it's the best part of the game

[brave leaf]

I'm ngl I think I'm enjoying this more than eternal
When I go back go eternal it's gonna feel like something's missing 😭

[brave leaf]

Currently on that level actually

[indigo sandal]

I just booted up eternal again and I am so palpably upset at the direction dark ages took lol

[honest vortex]

It feels like there's something missing in both 2016 and Eternal, after playing Dark Ages IMO

[delicate grotto]

Starting a new NM campaign. Had leave for a trip at level 12. Been gone too long to get back into the midst.
I’m gonna ramp up the game speed this time

[brave leaf]

I'm gonna keep thinking that I'm able to shield and parry when I play it again
It's gonna mess me up so badly

[indigo sandal]

It’s definitely a game for casual gamers so that will resonate with a lot of people. Eternal is an intense juggling of mechanics and a vastly more technical game

[delicate grotto]

Marauder’s gonna feel weird to play against after TDA, lol.

[indigo sandal]

The ancient gods 1 is absolute peak doom and I don’t think we’ll ever see anything like it again because of the backlash. It makes sense how we got to TDA.

[honest vortex]

I played Eternal for 1.5k hours, and I personally still like TDA more.

I don't think it's "casual" or whatever. As both games can be casual on easier difficulty settings.

.... and both can be "hardcore" on harder difficulty settings and TDA's Sliders.

[placid saffron]

tbh if they went along with the doom4 plan they just might have been right

[honest vortex]

I mean that was more of a Call of Duty clone rather than Halo.

[wheat sigil]

still more hours than me </3

[indigo sandal]

Sliders don’t make a game more technically complex or mechanically rich.

[placid saffron]

there is barely any difference between campaign COD gameplay and halo gameplay

both are kinda boring and simple shooters with coverhealing

[hidden bane]

But in Halo, you're a big ass guy in green armor

[honest vortex]

TDA can be rich and complex in different ways from Eternal

[honest vortex]

Umm. Wot

[indigo sandal]

I disagree, it’s pretty brain dead even at nightmare

[river fern]

And in DOOM, you're an angry big ass guy in green armor

[placid saffron]

what about it

the games really aren't that different from each other

[hidden bane]

Tbf I don't suppose Chief is very calm about things either

[indigo sandal]

I wish ID would let night dive studio make the next doom or quake game. That would be sick.

[honest vortex]

Let's agree to disagree I guess.

I found a lot of the second half of TDA harder than Eternal personally.

Eternal's too forgiving with the pinata levels of resource drops and being able to restack to full resources basically whenever you want, much lower damage properties from the demons, dash spam and air mobility abuse as well as Chaingun energy shield.

I found Chapter 22 harder than Final Sin for example.

[river fern]

Nightdive should definitely make a Quake game, but together with a studio that understands Quake and can build something new on top of it

[placid saffron]

i mean, arguably ID

[hollow sandal]

If I'm dying on UV what does that make me? 😭

[river fern]

arguably probably possibly theoretically

[brave leaf]

What do yall think of glory kills vs executions

[indigo sandal]

Is it your first doom game?

[wheat sigil]

dead

[brave leaf]

"Normal" is hurt me plenty so

[indigo sandal]

It’s fine the game is so streamlined, it’s just not for me. I get why this will be so popular.

[hollow sandal]

No, I've played them all pretty much

[hollow sandal]

D-e-d, ded

[river fern]

There's no shame in playing on an easier difficulty mode tbh

[placid saffron]

unless you're into it

[river fern]

Oh dear

[honest vortex]

Normal. Seen a lot of veterans die many many times on UV in this game.

There's some very tough encounters here and there, that are much harder than Eternal and 2016.

It just might not keep a consistent difficulty level or logical difficulty progression at times, and sometimes difficulty spikes can come out of nowhere.

[winter panther]

i think its better that they removed it, glory kills as a heavy tank wouldnt work, executions are better for this type of game atleast

[brave leaf]

I'm considering turning up the difficulty but I've died like twice so far and I'm just on hurt me plenty

[hollow sandal]

Yea pretty much, there are times a combination of enemies come and I don't quite know how to handle it immediately, and nightmare imps

[placid saffron]

twice over an entire level is fairly easy

[brave leaf]

I meant twice in the game so far

[placid saffron]

that's childs play

[honest vortex]

We have glory kills anyway.

Just do death from above in front or behind

[river fern]

Set a challenge for yourself that you'd be comfortable with

[winter panther]

true

[pallid wing]

Siege 1 is fun, but so early in the game. And kinda flat.
A master levels of siege 1 would be great

[hollow sandal]

Ok. In that case I'm not too bad off then

[river fern]

Siege 1 fucked me over on the checkpoint placement, I died in one side of the map only to respawn in another

[placid saffron]

i haven't died once

[honest vortex]

That's why they want to increase the difficulty doe

[placid saffron]

yeah that's why i'm saying it's super easy

[river fern]

I played on Nightmare so I died like twice or thrice per level when I wasn't paying enough attention

[brave leaf]

Yeah imma amp it to ultra violence

[river fern]

UV is a good standard difficulty

Hope you have fun with it

[limpid coral]

Anyone else feels like shredder and impaler are bit useless?

[wheat sigil]

nup

[hidden bane]

Shredder made me pregnant, awesome weapon

[indigo sandal]

The impaler was one of the strongest guns

You need the empowered shield throw upgrade, and then the headshot cool down with the mace is obscenely OP

I didn’t use the shredder much

[hollow sandal]

Shredder questionable, Impaler definitely not. Especially with the empowered stake upgrade

[wheat sigil]

pincushion

[hollow sandal]

Respect, with upgrade did you prefer?

Pincoosh?

[hidden bane]

I like Pincushion

[wheat sigil]

pincoosh xd

[limpid coral]

Maybe them 2 are just my least favourite

[hidden bane]

That might be #1369206341003903018 material

[indigo sandal]

I would say impaler is the most OP weapon. If you were to use a single gun for ultra nightmare it would probably be be impaler

Headshots are crazy easy, I think there is some lock on assist built into the gun

[sterile saffron]

I mean it was in the trailer 😭 but yes I’ll take it down anyway mb

[hollow sandal]

Hugo pleewaaase 😭

[hidden bane]

You see the problem is I can't aim for SHIT

[hollow sandal]

Anyone play on Xbox here?

[winter panther]

eeeeehh

[indigo sandal]

If you hold down shield throw time slows down. So you can combo the empowered shield throw and headshot

[hidden bane]

Huh, you learn something new every day

[indigo sandal]

I am pretty sure impaler is highest dps weapon from my own testing

[wheat sigil]

ssg:

ssg+impaler demolishes

[winter panther]

dyk how much damage a second the rampage thing does

[indigo sandal]

The cycler is also really good a lot of people don’t use it

[winter panther]

forgot its name

[tall nymph]

does chainshot tier 3 upgrade increase single target damage or only just added splash damage?

[indigo sandal]

Rampage? Idk but the empowered headshot loops accelerating mace hits is so op for super heavies

[hollow sandal]

Cycler is a good name change from the twin barrel

[indigo sandal]

It does splash. I swear they nerfed this gun hardcore after recent balance updates. Did anyone else feel this also?

It feels only good for armor now.

[hidden bane]

Never used the chainshot, combat shotgun my beloved

[tawny thicket]

I think my game is broken. I was on chapter 17 and ready to go to chapter 18 but the game took me back to the main menu and made me play 17 again. So I did, did it again and I can’t move on to the next level.

[fossil spear]

can someone tell me the current doom powerscaling since the new game?

[winter panther]

ravager i think its called, its the second form of the pulverizer

[indigo sandal]

Oh yeah. I think it was a lot better pre recent balance changes. Feels way weaker now IMO

[winter panther]

they balanced it?

[hollow sandal]

I never got to use it before the nerf 😭😭😭

[winter panther]

oh well, before nerf it was so good

[indigo sandal]

The ravanger pre balance change was stupid OP

[wheat sigil]

me>lady in walmart>astolfo>doomguy

[hollow sandal]

Ayo 😭

[fossil spear]

what does this mean

[tawdry crypt]

Doom guy is now strong as a strong guy who has guns and a shield and armor

[wheat sigil]

that lady in walmart could take doomguy on ez

[limpid coral]

Damn cant get out of this palce in forest, the one where you pick up yellow key

[fossil spear]

which one, there are like 20 every day

[tall nymph]

wait they nerfed the ravager? When? I mean I know it was gonna get nerfed but I swear I didn't hear about it unless it was just like yesterday

[river fern]

bonk

[fossil spear]

very useful

[wheat sigil]

parry

[hollow sandal]

Do you see the hot orange met thing behind the cage?

[tawdry crypt]

Makoplier howdy

[river fern]

oh fuck I'm glowing blue now

[limpid coral]

No lol

[hollow sandal]

BLOCKTHROWPARRY

[hidden bane]

I saw "Makoplier" and thought I had a stroke

[wheat sigil]

all of them

[indigo sandal]

They keep on tuning things regularly. The game at nightmare mode was soooooo much easier a week ago

[hollow sandal]

Where are you? 😭

[tawdry crypt]

How does one parry with no shield

[wheat sigil]

ask v1

[hidden bane]

Those meat brick biceps

[tawdry crypt]

Truest ever

[hollow sandal]

Lolol, shield recall? 😭

[tall nymph]

yeah ik I'm doing my 150% playthrough on nightmare now and averaging at least 10-15 deaths per map whereas it was like 1-2 beforehand

[fossil spear]

true. They can just tell the game store guy to put doom the dar ages offsale and he will listen bc social pressure

[hidden bane]

Not to be down bad in chat but I'd let Doomguy crush me like an egg while flexing his bicep

[tawdry crypt]

Smh

[hollow sandal]

xd

[wheat sigil]

best thing ever

[fossil spear]

wtf

[hollow sandal]

Mhm

[hidden bane]

IN A STRAIGHT WAY, I am NOT gay

[tawdry crypt]

I'd let doom guy uh
Uh
Uhhh
ssg balista