the-dark-ages

[ashen sable]

nuh uh i want doom eternal or doom dark ages (i have litteraly only 1 dolla

[oak acorn]

honestly i haven't played cs in years -- tried cs2 for a bit, but i don't have a regular team to play w anymore like i did in high school

[brazen heron]

In.Every.Way.
Level design,movement,arsenal,enemy design and much more...It was worse.
Halo is a good console shooter.But that's is all it is.

[feral bane]

Because psychologically it feels like a personal attack for a lot of people. We wrap up our identities in what we love pretty often, so it hurts when someone tears it down regardless of how valid it is.

[brazen heron]

I find HL as a series overrated,but nowhere as Halo.At least HL doesn't limit your arsenal to two guns.

[glossy narwhal]

yeah i know the feeling, most of my CS friends have moved onto other things these days

[tranquil moss]

i just realized the bfc is more powerful than i thought

[brazen heron]

There are people thinking HL2 is better than modern DOOM though.These guys make me just laugh.Like even 2016 is way better.Let alone DE.It's not even close.

[feral bane]

Though I will say, if you really like something for whatever reason that means it’s doing something right and should be appreciated for that. Even if it fails by most metrics in comparison to competition.

[oak acorn]

i mean, for a lot of ppl, videogaming is a huge part of their identity. but for some ppl it's less because they love videogames and more bc they feel validation in having a hobby/aspect of their personality

[vital rapids]

do a dance
i mean i'm not giving you the game, just do a dance

[simple mist]

My only gripes with TDA so far is denuvo (seriously why do games do this nonsense for a short time after release) and.....lol thats it

[ashen sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-crucible-doom-slayer-crucible-gif-26209346

[brazen heron]

Modern DOOM was the return of the king and the impostors of the crown were taken down.Rip and tear!

[glossy narwhal]

we were on the subject of quake and other multiplayer FPS games

[feral bane]

Half Life 1 is a genuinely good game

[split saddle]

I just joined into convo so I’m missing a lot of context but they are two entirely different games …

[vital rapids]

Yeah HL2's better than modern doom
TDA's pretty great, it's getting closer

[feral bane]

Could never get behind 2 but maybe there’s something I’m missing

[oak acorn]

it's a scam. denuvo convinces shareholders to pay massive licensing fees by convincing them it'll stop piracy and replace pirating with purchases

as if every pirated copy downloaded is a lost sale....

i think that's a gamepass requirement, but i could be wrong

[brazen heron]

Just the combat shotgun in DE alone has more purpose and variety for usage than nearly ALL of the weapons in Hl2 COMBINED.(Except for the gravity gun)

[deep mortar]

they love nostalgia and are stuck in the past

[oak acorn]

like when ms bought tango gameworks and put ghostwire tokyo on gamepass, they added denuvo

[vital rapids]

That series deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Quake and Doom
and, I suppose the other one. You know, begins with a U

[split saddle]

What is going on, why are we flaming half life

[feral bane]

Started with under the mayo talk and it turned into this

[simple mist]

At least itill probabaly be removed in a few months time like eternal and 2016

[vital rapids]

uncultured persons not realising that profaning Half-life is silly

[oak acorn]

/s obviously. but shareholders and execs running aaa game studios don't always understand that

[glossy narwhal]

Uncharted 4: A Thief's End

[slim crypt]

we are smoking cocaine now

[oak acorn]

ultima online?

[split saddle]

I like half life

[brazen heron]

Like you just can beat HL2 with the pistol (replace it with the SMG eventually since it is just a faster pistol)plus the Gravity gun,and you wouldn't lose much tbh

[glossy narwhal]

xd

[flint perch]

Dawg I fucking hate the armored elite hell knights bro 😭

They’re so tanky

[slim crypt]

chain shot and ssg is ur best friend

[split saddle]

Axe goes ding

[brazen heron]

If I tried to beat DE with just two weapons,I would lose 90 percent of the experience and the fun however

[split saddle]

no you can’t because striders and gunships

[vital rapids]

feels like they want you to, tbh

[split saddle]

You can actually beat half life 2 episode 1 with only the gravity gun, there is even an achievement for it which is cool

[flint perch]

It’s tanky as shit man, though now less tanky with the second upgrade of chainshot

[brazen heron]

Make it three weapons then,okay

[oak acorn]

honestly if you can afford a pc that can run india jones why would you pirate it? you risk malware and other crap, you lose out on cloud saving, easy automatic updates, the ability to play on different devices, steam input, the ability to redownload it whenever from steam's servers -- like, if you've got a $1500 pc why would you trade the convenience of purchasing a game over the crappy experience of pirating one?

[split saddle]

The smg becomes useless when you get the AR and shotgun, combine soldiers on hard difficulty are actually quite spongy

[oak acorn]

for $60?

[slim crypt]

one ssg shot and a shield throw breaks them quickly

[brazen heron]

Being able to damage an heavy enemy with just one type of weapon is an brilliant design,bravo Gabe!

@split saddle Who plays HL on hard most of the time though?It just makes the game less fun mostly

[glossy narwhal]

flail too

[ashen sable]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-lol-doomslayer-bye-lol-doomslayer-doom-zzz777-gif-25352056

[split saddle]

Would you believe me if people like challenging games

[vapid idol]

Anyone else getting very poor performance on PC.

[oak acorn]

oh and online play has had cd key verification since at least half life 1 -- even before steam, i remember you couldn't use a keygen if you wanted to play online

same with starcraft, diablo, and warcraft 2

[slim crypt]

takes two hits with flail before it superheats pretty sure

[glossy narwhal]

bonk bonk

[split saddle]

What is even going on? It’s like saying why would anyone play doom on nightmare, it makes the game less fun mostly because demons do a lot of damage

[simple mist]

The fact that TDA runs so well with denuvo is a miracle ngl

[brazen heron]

Classic DOOM is better than games that were released a decade later in difficulty variety lmao

[tranquil moss]

specs?

[split saddle]

oh

[simple mist]

Ive heard some horror stories about denuvo and PC performance

[brazen heron]

@split saddle Modern doom's difficulties don't make them bullet sponges though?

[vapid idol]

AMD 5800x3d, RX 6900 XT and 32 GB at 3600mhz

[deep mortar]

trust me some people do not and prefer a relaxing experience

[oak acorn]

i'm not convinced denuvo effects performance if it's implemented properly. seen a lot of benchmarks where it made zero difference once removed. there was harry potter but an article printed incorrectly that denuvo slowed it down. and of course re village but that was capcom's fault

[split saddle]

That’s fair, I hate how space marines 2 tyranids are actual brick walls on higher difficulties

[tranquil moss]

ok idk since im getting 85 - 90 fps on a ryzen 5 7600x rx 7700 xt with half the ram on UN graphics

[split saddle]

But yeah I do because I’m a gamer 😎

[vapid idol]

I think it's just very poorly optimized for what it looks like, even on LOW it plays like arse.

[vital rapids]

So have I, although tbf I have yet to see it for myself even once

[tranquil moss]

i see little to no fps change when i switch to lower graphics presets so

[brazen heron]

Playing any modern doom on HMP and NM is very different,because of the increased agression AND the damage increase.(but no HP increase)In 2016,two imp shots in NM can wreck you in early game.

[split saddle]

I gotta 100% half life 2 episode 2 hhh

[vapid idol]

Gameplay is good, can't fault the mechanics etc but performance is dog water.

[split saddle]

Real, imps on 2016 are cracked

[slim crypt]

what about half life 3 too

[deep mortar]

what issues are you facing

[oak acorn]

doom? i tried it on highest settings and they look only slightly better than low. performance difference isn't huge either. also even on mid-to-low with dlss performance the game looks perfectly fine to me (playing on an oled lg c4)

[split saddle]

:(

[gaunt flint]

I followed the troubleshoot guide, updated my BIOS, reinstalled game ready drivers repeatedly with clean installations, and yet when I launch the game I can only hear and the game window itself is invisible. Has anyone else found a different solution?

[oak acorn]

also dark ages doesn't have traversal stutter

[split saddle]

maybe one day …

[brazen heron]

But in HMP,you can tank them,no issue

[split saddle]

It doesn’t but I have a real life stutter

[oak acorn]

how do i know you're not lying? all you did was type that out

[vapid idol]

Just low fps regardless of preset and tweaking, tried my native of 3440x1440 down to 1080p with a combination of upscaling and frame gen, just crap performance.

60-70 fps

[glossy narwhal]

on doom eternal's release, they forgot to add denuvo, then patched it in and got massive backlash from the perforance hit, so they removed it

[split saddle]

I-i-i I’m n-n-n not lying

[snow lynx]

Played on an 4070 super and ryzen 7800x3d at 1440p balance ultra settings and the game run perfectly fine 80-100 fps 0 stutters

[glossy narwhal]

yessir best gpu-cpu combo

[deep mortar]

plus the game is loading super fast

[vital rapids]

cpu bottleneck?

[oak acorn]

what's your hardware? 3080 + 5700x3d, runs at 120fps mid to low, 3840x1600 "ultrawide" on a 4k panel, dlss performance, and it keeps the framerate above 100 pretty much all the time

[split saddle]

TDA has like no loading screens which is wild

[tranquil moss]

#the-dark-ages message

[vapid idol]

5800x3d is far from a bootle neck, it still beasts any other game i throw at it

[snow lynx]

Almost instantaneously

[oak acorn]

well... except for the near minute of logos and other crap every time you start the game.

[deep mortar]

Have you tried the higher presets? above ultra?

[split saddle]

I feel like the slow swimming water sections are like short “loading screens” to load up the rest of the map

[gaunt flint]

assume not

[vapid idol]

AMD 5800x3d, RX 6900 XT and 32 GB at 3600mhz

[woven jolt]

is this game a flop, it seems to not be doing well $$ wise

[split saddle]

It’s truly a game

[snow lynx]

Not really.

I saw the digital foundry video and the difference is negligible so I just kept it at ultra. Besides, I wanted at least 90 fps+ at all times so I didn’t bother switching it. Dlss balanced was needed tho, but to me it looked like native res.

[hard thistle]

I heard this game only peaked at 30,000 players on steam is that true?

[gaunt flint]

It just launched

[snow lynx]

Yeah, but that’s because it’s on game pass

[inland sierra]

BETHESDA!!!
PUT AUTO RUN IN DARK AGES!!!
AND MY LIFE.. IS YOURS

[vital rapids]

uhuh. I wonder what the bottleneck is, then. Something's keep the performance vaguely level between all those settings

[split saddle]

There is

[vapid idol]

It's on Battle.net and Game Pass so you won't see it's true sales yet.

[inland sierra]

Where I couldn't find it, I'm on ps5

[oak acorn]

yeah i followed alex's optimized settings but went for dlss performance instead of balanced. SLIGHT visual tradeoff, but i'm using an lg tv and even tho it has gsync the vrr below 100 fps can get juttery

[split saddle]

Settings, make sure to disable screen effects to get rid off the sprint lines on the edge of the screen

[vapid idol]

IT just doesn't feel polished or finishes, you know when something is just off well it's off here for sure.

[unkempt pine]

hey is there a simple way to do a bug report? is the help.bethesda.somethingsomething link better used for this?

[brazen heron]

I realized sticky launcher can have 10 purposes lmao,I didn't add the cacodemon stagger,the flame belch-sticky combo,shooting at marauders feet,and also quick spammable explosive damage when you ran out of rockets.It can also be used to destroy groups of lost souls in single shot.Holy shit.

[inland sierra]

I don't mind the sprint lines, I just hate that I have to press and hold to run all the time

[oak acorn]

ultra nightmare mode rn is a placeholder for when path tracing is added

[snow lynx]

Well it always depends on your hardware and what res you play in.

In my case, dlss balanced was perfect for a mix of graphics and fps.

[split saddle]

Oh but yeah it’s for sure in settings

[brazen heron]

ID fucking cooked with DE weapon mods

[vapid idol]

Just don't get why they downgraded the visuals and fooked withe a great recipe engine wise.

[oak acorn]

to be clear, it's the dlss transformer model, preset k. i would not wanna play in performance mode with the old cnn model

[wanton crypt]

Xbox series X and Ps5 seem to run very well compared to PC hardware that is equivalent to yet better than the consoles. I know consoles get their own level of optimization but still. True sad sight.

[glossy narwhal]

turn on auto sprint

[floral jasper]

how do i turn off the adaptive triggers for the ps5 controller on battlenet i can find the setting?

[glossy narwhal]

0 reason to have it off

[snow lynx]

Yeah me neither, dlss 4 is goated

[split saddle]

I beat the game without realising there is auto sprint 😭

[vital rapids]

It feels super polished here. Performance patches are needed but I'd expect that with a new id shooter
Although I'm coming off UE5 games, so a game that looks good, performs well, does not stutter and is not all round generally buggy is going to look much better

[gaunt flint]

Are there any other solutions to the invisible launch or is it just what Bethesda gave us in their troubleshooting guide?

[snow lynx]

Id tech 8>>>>>>UE5

[oak acorn]

the areas are MUCH larger, there are FAR more enemies on screen, and the destructible objects, real time global illumination, wind systems, added material layers -- dark ages is a MASSIVE tech leap over eternal

[glossy narwhal]

list your specs

[vapid idol]

Eternal was polished, finished and buter smooth at launch.

[split saddle]

Real

[vapid idol]

Tech leap yes but for what, making something pretty for pretty's sake doesn't make for a good game.

[vital rapids]

I'm inclined to agree, but I wonder how it would perform in an open world setting
Although what am I saying, id could probably work it out

[blissful urchin]

Does anyone get a warhammer 40k vibe? Hi tech medieval and fucked up cosmic horror? Sounds like 40k

[oak acorn]

also it feels SUPER polished and responsive. without any patches, i was able to run the game, set the graphics, and i've been getting 120 fps and extremely pretty visuals with ZERO stuttering -- which, holy crap, i forgot what that's like

[gray gorge]

Man, my copy isn't getting here until Sunday or Monday. Dammit VGP, you and your crappy shipping!!

[gaunt flint]

I7-13700F ( I just updated the BIOS )
32gb of DDR5 RAM
RTX 4060Ti 16GB

[split saddle]

I had one crash and it was from an armored hell knight 😭 he outplayed me for real

[tropic path]

So i played the first mission and i am upset that this game has no finishers where u can tear your enemies apart with your hands

[vital rapids]

making a good game that's pretty used to be what PC FPS devs did, before consoles turned the AAA FPS into a competition to run the same code on 12 year old nanoGPUs forever with maybe a texture bump per re-release

[glossy narwhal]

strange, that all should be fine, what gpu drivers are you on?

[oak acorn]

im not using frame gen either and i'm on an oled so the high fps is worth it to me. combat feels responsive, mouse movement is smooth, accurate, it just feels fantastic

[gaunt flint]

GeForce Game Ready 576.40

[tropic path]

Also the detailing on the difficulty level is awesome

[split saddle]

Yeah you can make it crazy with the sliders

[gaunt flint]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention, I do have dual monitors and am launching off of Xbox PC

[oak acorn]

only visual issues i had is, the hdr settings in the ui aren't correct -- peak brightness needs to be divided by the brightness setting to get the correct max nits

[tropic path]

Other than that yes it is a Doom game and it shows it’s storytelling is better than than the other 2

[glossy narwhal]

try it on the https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/237719/ driver

[vital rapids]

right?! There are some other games out at the moment that could learn from this. Naming no names looks around

[tropic path]

Also what do you guys think about combat is it nice

[split saddle]

Wait until you get to later on chapters, maybe like chapter 6, combat gets wild

[oak acorn]

i mean the cutscenes are cool but just like the other 2 games..... i have zero clue wtf is going at any moment with the plot lol

[glossy narwhal]

there's issues with the lastest ones atm, my ran great on this version

[vital rapids]

... ?

[tropic path]

Yes hope it does also they enslaved the Doom guy bruh

[split saddle]

That’s messed up, actually using him as a literal weapon 😭

[tropic path]

It felt shitty seeing a badass like him end up in ts

[vital rapids]

yeah. It's ott fun and the game can occasionally kill you back

[solid summit]

Will PS5 ever get mouse/keyboard support?

[tropic path]

Yes but he is literally Doom Guy cant he just tear ts off his chest

[split saddle]

Ermmm you will know why later on

[tropic path]

I am at the first mission maybe it happens

[oak acorn]

why bother when you can fire your entire dev team because you can just replace their decades of in-house game engine experience with fresh cs grads and pay them half as much to just use ue5?

[vital rapids]

... #1369206341003903018

[gaunt flint]

So should I revert or wait till the next driver update

[glossy narwhal]

you can revert for the mean time, i had no performance issues

[tropic path]

Also why in the seven hells most of the enemies in all the trilogy are the same lol

[glossy narwhal]

then if it gets fixed you can update it right back

[vital rapids]

decades of experience mean almost nothing in software dev
technical expertise means almost nothing in software businesses
people mean almost nothing in people-friendly companies
these things, and many more, are reasons why the industry is partially submerged in perilous waters

[split saddle]

The gang never splits apart, they are the true bros ❤️

[oak acorn]

because hell's breeding pool is.... limited. and hell is a monarchy or some shit like that, so... probably just a few royal families and lots of inbreeding

[tropic path]

Well it makes the game monotonous a bit dont you think

[oak acorn]

it's why the demons look slightly different each release

[hard thistle]

It's the doom roster

[vital rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-the-gang-celebration-dancing-boombox-gif-22483701

[tropic path]

Also this game is a bit slower than others

[glossy narwhal]

you can turn that up

[tropic path]

And why do i need to fucking parry in a doom game am i playing Chivalry 2

[split saddle]

You can increase the speed with sliders and combat gets crazy later on chapters, trust the process 🙏

[short plinth]

I may have to get a new pc

Fml

[tropic path]

Like i know the shield is crazy but nah thats a Doom game

[oak acorn]

thankfully the gene mutations have been mostly favorable to the demons -- like when the 3d gene became the most prominent and demons didnt have to be 2d sprites anymore

[tropic path]

Why the fuck they add a shield parry system to a doom game lol

[glossy narwhal]

what argent energy does for you

[vital rapids]

Because otherwise you may die, which will interrupt you massacring demons

Shield, block, Oblivion gates

[split saddle]

I love how you call the same demon design “monotone” but then you are annoyed that they changed something, make it make sense please 😭

[tropic path]

Well they shouldve let you choose it at the start like newbie Doom player might choose it and pros might throw it away

[split saddle]

huh ???

[oak acorn]

so... i hate parrying, like, a lot. im terrible at it. i don't play souls games because of it. that being said, on ultra violence mode, the parry window is HUGE and it's so easy to parry that I ended up not hating it

[tropic path]

No i like to see new things but this parrying shit makes no sense

[split saddle]

It’s even huge on nightmare

[glossy narwhal]

in which way

[vital rapids]

I thought I would hate parrying, but actually using it is fun

[split saddle]

I guess they want you to get up and close with the demons, beat the fuck out of them, parry and then a shotgun to a demon’s face

[mental grotto]

Dawg did you just purchase this game with zero knowledge going into it no trailers no research no nothing

[split saddle]

Yes he did

[tropic path]

Well u are the Doom guy the one mf who unleashes hell on hell itself why the fuck would u need a shield

[oak acorn]

it's aight. i don't mind it, tbh -- but i'd just as much be okay without it. at this point it's quicker for me to just impale an enemies head, lodge a shield in them, and smash em up

[tropic path]

Nah i knew it had this i also play on Game Pass

[oak acorn]

i do love the shield -- throwing it is so much fun. reminds me of god of war

[split saddle]

It even has the same gimmick where you throw it at a machine part to open a door

[vital rapids]

Because parrying with your hand would look odd

[glossy narwhal]

weaker than he was in 2016 and the same reason you use guns even though doom guy's fists are more poweful than any firearm, it's fun

[tropic path]

Yes i may like it at that part now i only can fly to the enemies with that shield

[oak acorn]

yeah the shield bash can move you across the map quick

[split saddle]

Bro go play chapter 2 RIGHT NOW and get that throw ability !

[tropic path]

Will the game become harder than 2016 and Eternal if u cant parry at all

[glossy narwhal]

and execute enemies from a distance

[oak acorn]

also fully upgraded is slaughters whole groups

[split saddle]

100%

[vital rapids]

No idea, I parry

[oak acorn]

i mean i mostly use it as a weapon, and quite enjoy it

[split saddle]

It for sure would

[glossy narwhal]

parrying is the intended way to play

i don't think you can properly play without it

[mental grotto]

Ultrakill would like to speak

[tropic path]

It looks fun seeing it’s blades come out and shred enemies tbh but yes i probably will use it as a different weapon not a way to defend myself at the most of the game

[hard thistle]

Something like the agaddon hunter would probably be a pain to fight without parrying

[vital rapids]

I mean sometimes I don't parry for a bit, but I start again with enemies where it's kinda optimal

[glossy narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-parry-ultrakill-fire-gif-14980500488127766582

[split saddle]

Sure, this is your doom game, play how you want

[mental grotto]

Will the game become more difficult if I intentionally do not use core game mechanics let’s see

[glossy narwhal]

xd

[oak acorn]

yeah i rarely use it defensively. only when i have to, like during boss fights or if i don't notice an enemy spawn next to me and it's already mid attack

[vital rapids]

Well it could get easier, depending on the game and the mechanic, so it's a fair question

[tropic path]

Also damn Commander Thira is hot as fuuck

[split saddle]

Imagine doing a no parry run challenge

[oak acorn]

depends how you upgrade, as well - certain weapon upgrades synergisze with parrying

[split saddle]

You unbind your parry key

[vital rapids]

Trust me bro, I used to annoy people a LOT by ignoring all the moves in Street Fighter 2 except about 4

[glossy narwhal]

boss fights without the parries, ahh

[split saddle]

Tame you genius, you gave me an idea

[mental grotto]

I’d imagine it’s impossible for some of the bosses, not sure how far you’ve gotten. Also dragon/mech sections kinda require it

[glossy narwhal]

run away from asscrack challenge

[tropic path]

Blue eyes and dark hair is my taste

[split saddle]

Nah they don’t count, you perfect dodge

[oak acorn]

wait you can perfect dodge on the ground?

[split saddle]

I forgor he’s parry heavy 😭

[oak acorn]

on foot i mean?

[split saddle]

The dragon and mech sections

[oak acorn]

oh, yeah, you pretty much have to for those sections. dodge i mean.

"perfect" being used loosely as the window is pretty big

[tropic path]

Also shit is weird Bethesda owns this game and their official discord server doesnt have Doom as a title

[mental grotto]

Bethesda doesn’t own doom they just publish it

[oak acorn]

bethesda's publishing discord or dev discord?

[vital rapids]

Same with a few of their published titles, not their developed ones

[tropic path]

It’s name is Bethesda Game Studios

[glossy narwhal]

It's like Microsoft and Blizzard

[vital rapids]

Yeah, this isn't a BGS developed game, id software made it

[tropic path]

Then id software owns this series

[oak acorn]

pretty sure microsoft owns it all

[vital rapids]

Ownership is different to development and, potentially, publishing

[tropic path]

Man i remember i used to play 2D Doom on my old phone when i was little it was hella fun

[oak acorn]

haha i installed it my first gen ipod back in the day

[tropic path]

But im glad they didn’t stuck on 2D lol

[oak acorn]

it sucked to play on

[violet compass]

Should I just get the digital version of doom the dark ages?

[oak acorn]

they went 3d because hell's small gene pool led to a lot of genetic mutations including polygons replacing sprites

[vital rapids]

Yeah

[tropic path]

Well 2D was a requirement but some titles didnt like 3D i am glad Doom wasnt one of them

[honest vortex]

Tbh I'm kinda starting to see why people say Dark Ages is uneven and inconsistent compared to 2016 and Eternal after getting further

[jolly geyser]

Zeimax owns id, Microsoft bought Zeimax in 2021. think thats how it is still unless something changed idk.

[vital rapids]

Yeah, I can see it vs 2016

[oak acorn]

how far are you? im halfway and so far -- pretty consistent

[tropic path]

Also imo goofiest enemy in Doom is the mf who has one eye round can fly and shoots some energy balls forgot the name

[honest vortex]

Sometimes Dark Ages will be kinda bland compared to 2016 and Eternal and then bam, it's suddenly the coolest DOOM game ever, then it starts to feel lacking, then it reverts back into the coolest DOOM game ever

[slender furnace]

Man, this game is soo engaging

[tropic path]

I love it the most

[violet compass]

Cacodemon?

[honest vortex]

It's very weird

[slender furnace]

The parrying and stuff really lock u in, I already finished half the game in one sitting

[tropic path]

Yes

It is my favorite creature in the game

[violet compass]

By the way, how are yall enjoying the dark ages? I've been waiting since June last year but I wanna know if my excitement was worth it

[honest vortex]

But combat-wise, I think it's the best DOOM, though I wish you could swap without having to wait for the entire Super Shotgun reload animation

[oak acorn]

i guess that is one positive about the parrying. even if it's easy, the fact you have to do it does add to feeling of engagement

[honest vortex]

So far I love it, but sometimes checkpoints are placed in really tedious spots where you have to walk all the way back to the encounter after you die

Eternal did much better at placing checkpoints right at the fight areas

[tropic path]

Also is it a good idea to play this game at 1600 DPI or should i go slower

[oak acorn]

same. i'm enjoying the combat the most of all 3. it's simpler, you get to kinda pick your favorite weapon and stick with it instead of constantly switching thru yr whole arsenal like in eternal. which I like, personally -- i don't wanna think too much, i wanna go pew pew and kill demons

[glossy narwhal]

you can lower the in game sensitivity well enough even on 3200 dpi

[violet compass]

Should I just get standard edition?

[oak acorn]

also the bigger battlields, more enemies, and higher demand for battlefield awareness is something i enjoy

[honest vortex]

Dark Ages can be played in a really complex way, but it's like all these melee combos combined with shield and weapons which feels super satisfying.

[tropic path]

I dunno is DLC worth it

[honest vortex]

Look at Oyff gameplay, he plays Dark Ages in a very complex DMC type way, but it's like a different style of it compared to Eternal

[tranquil dew]

Yo should I buy TDA for 70 bucks or wait until it’s on sale

[echo latch]

Oyff plays too slow

[honest vortex]

Tbh I got it on Game Pass

[violet compass]

Depends on how much you wanna get to the violence

[honest vortex]

Even on the 150% speed?

[oak acorn]

yeah rn i'm using impaler fully upgrading, going for headshots to get melee charges, and then using the shield throw to stun enemies more easily

[echo latch]

Yeah way too slow

[woven jolt]

it's not worth $70 imo

[violet compass]

150% speed looks like a bloodbath

[honest vortex]

Sylar is faster, yeah

[oak acorn]

$58 on green man gaming

[echo latch]

They need 200% speed

[tranquil dew]

I got no Xbox lmao 😭

[violet compass]

I use a playstation

[honest vortex]

Yeah it gets faster than Eternal at that point

[oak acorn]

just take adderall and turn the speed up -- it evens out

[tranquil dew]

Dayum

[honest vortex]

I wish Dark Ages was as gory as DOOM 2016.

[oak acorn]

usd of course

[tranquil dew]

Yeah I’m poor ain’t nobody gon buy for 70 bucks

[honest vortex]

Though Dark Ages does show the blood bath on the floor atleast

[oak acorn]

the gore is more localized to enemy damage, every part you shoot can strip away flesh, bone, etc

[sweet tundra]

So... should I be quickswapping? I've been using almost exclusively the super shotty and it works wonders on Ultra Violence. I've only died once and I'm on the final mission.

[frail bloom]

Guys siege is hard lol

[honest vortex]

I shot both Mancubus arms off before and he just kept following me without attacking me 😂

[violet compass]

Oh nah

[oak acorn]

yeah delimbing enemies is a viable strat

[frail bloom]

Not that type of game, but you can quickswap by shield bashing and then switching between powerful weapons

[honest vortex]

It was in a dark room too so the Mancubus looked creepy as hell lmao

He looked like a zombie

[sweet tundra]

I've tried it, but weapon swaps are so fucking slow that it just seems more effective to just use like one or two weapons. I'm on console too, so it's just also really annoying to do.

[violet compass]

I'm so excited to get this game lol

[sweet tundra]

Ok so I'm doing fine just running around with the supershotty?

[vital flare]

You can do that with hellknights too and they just angrily follow you but can't do shit

[honest vortex]

why can't you change the weapon wheel order like you can in Eternal and 2016?

The new weapon wheel order keeps fucking me up due to muscle memory.

[hard thistle]

i love dark ages so much i love how the health/ammo/armor upgrades are mandatory enemies and not exploration items

[frail bloom]

Idk how you did that I'm playing on nightmare with the parry timing as short as possible
It's hard

[oak acorn]

it's a different kinda violence, but man, it's pretty gruesome shooting enemies down to the bone, seeing sinew and flesh hang off their bodies, watch them lose limbs -- it's pretty crazy, like what soldier of fortune tried to do years ago

[honest vortex]

Reminds me of the Flood from Halo: Combat Evolved where you shoot both their arms off, but they'll just chase you without attacking

[sweet tundra]

Maybe I'm just good. I do love my parried in any game, and I do love the super shotty...

[vital flare]

Tis just a flesh wound

[oak acorn]

the game needs a plasma cutter mod

[formal root]

i’m curious

could you also do that to cosmic barons?

[honest vortex]

Some of the secrets in this game feel way trickier to find compared to Eternal.... also a lot more back tracking due to the maps being way bigger

[vital flare]

Isaac would approve

[vital flare]

Didn't try!

[honest vortex]

Feels a lot more like.... Classic DOOM

[violet compass]

How long does the game take to download on ps5?

[formal root]

we doing science and shit here

[vast fjord]

depends on internet lol

[violet compass]

I have fairly good internet

[oak acorn]

bruh i spent like 20 minutes looking for a thing to throw an axe at in the forest level to get some gold -- it was in the most obvious place and i felt so dumb. in general it happens to me to a lot

[honest vortex]

Idk ...but took me an hour and a half to download on my Xbox

[honest vortex]

The wolf shield things are tricky to find the breakable ones

[oak acorn]

it took me a bit to find the forge ones, but i mean, they're pretty bright and red

[whole roost]

hey does anyone have any issues running the game where thje frame times freak out and it can run at a solid 90 fps but the frame times and spikes make it feel like 40 fps?

[vast fjord]

ive had no issues, sounds like a memory problem maybe? how much ram do you have

[scarlet peak]

Can somebody please tell me why I have an fps counter on Xbox that I can not turn tf off

[oak acorn]

nah those are big frame drops... are you using frame gen, too much vram, background processes taking up vram? that's not typical

[violet compass]

What difficulty should I start on if my mom lets me purchase the game tonight?

[scarlet peak]

I launched it on my pc, didn’t run the way I wanted, so I went to my series s instead and i can’t turn the fps counter off

[oak acorn]

ultra violence is what i started on

[split inlet]

UV probably.

[oak acorn]

so far it's significantly easier than uv in eternal imo

[violet compass]

Bet

[whole roost]

nah dude, im using frame gen, but the vram being used is loike 6 gb im pretty sure.... im not sure what the hell is going on for it to be so stuttery.

[violet compass]

Also I've heard some people already beat ultra nightmare

[whole roost]

like its using only 6gb

i dont know whats happening

[oak acorn]

frame gen can be heavy on vram. you're better of without it if you can get at least 60 fps imo

[whole roost]

could riva tuner or msi after burner cause this

[vast fjord]

if you open task manager, what is the stat thats peaking out in the game? if you have 2 monitors put it on the other and watch out

[whole roost]

im aware but should it be behaving like this with the stutters???

[sonic turret]

I can't believe that people are beating the game in like two to three hours now.

[whole roost]

so strange it makes my game unplayable

[honest vortex]

Yeah sometimes they're in a very specific spot in a high up area lmao

[whole roost]

adding more shit to a game that crashes every seven seconds

[full cave]

Bout to load into the final level of the game

It's been amazing

GG

[oak acorn]

not sure -- haven't used frame gen (don't have a 4000+ card anyways) and i also heard it's unstable on vulkan

[whole roost]

im using fsr

[full cave]

speedrunners are crazy, man

[whole roost]

i dont have an nvidia gpu

[honest vortex]

The more I hear Dark Ages OST the more I realize it's still incredible.

People hate because it's not Mick Gordon, but it really is a cool ass OST.

.... and I have no idea why people say it's generic metal when it's very DOOM style metal

[glossy narwhal]

you can adjust the sliders in ultra nightmare and still get the reward, and base nightmare is easier than doom eternal

[oak acorn]

you can just use fsr upscaling

[whole roost]

i am gonna test out more.....

because im not sure whats going on

[oak acorn]

i mean...... doom style metal is kinda generic....

[honest vortex]

Do I think it's as good as the DOOM 2016 soundtrack for example?

No, not even remotely close.

But it's still a fantastic soundtrack that I really like a lot

[oak acorn]

you have to crank the volume of the music in the settings menu

[vast fjord]

i wouldnt say generic, if you give me any DOOM ost and 'generic' metal I could tell the difference, theres tells

[oak acorn]

oh im sure -- i don't listen to a lot of metal tho so maybe i shouldn't have said anything

[frail bloom]

99% on siege part 1

[mental violet]

i got a bit through the game and I'm really starting to feel it now, getting into the gameplay loop and figuring out what to do about the various enemies, especially now that I have most of the weapons

[vast fjord]

nah man say what you want lmao i wasnt like clapping back, i get ya

[mental violet]

I honestly thought I got almost everything since I found a ton but turns out no that level is just huge lol

[oak acorn]

i mean, generic or not, doom and power chord heavy distorted guitar power chords -- they're part of the experience

[vast fjord]

type shit

[violet compass]

Guys, my mom approved me buying doom

[whole roost]

i think it mightve been the frame gen??? is frame gen unstable rna????

[mental violet]

it's kind of interesting how modern doom has taken an entirely different musical direction to classic doom

[violet compass]

YAYA

[oak acorn]

could be vulkan not working well with frame gen

[vast fjord]

frame gen is always a gamble imo, can ruin the game or save it, its situational

[honest frost]

Has anyone played TDA on the Steam Deck via the Stable Channel? I know people have been playing on the Preview channel but my Steam Deck won't allow me to use the Preview channel or even update. I have been DYING to play this game!!!

[grand yacht]

Abyssal forest is making me insane and im seeing shit

[oak acorn]

if you can get a base fps of 60 and don't mind the added latency frame gen can be nice

[grand yacht]

How do i get on top of this watchtower ive been trying all day

[whole roost]

when i turned on frame gen 9gb of vram started being used, but i have a 12gb card so i didnt think it would be a problem

[whole roost]

I am getting 60 fps but without the frame gen on its getting hella stutters with it on idfk whats going on, i think it might be a broken implimentation of frame gen or vulkan not working well, but im not sure....

[mental gate]

it is for me, doesnt look great and runs like doo. only get a very small boost

[oak acorn]

how high of an fps target are you shooting for? tbh i'd prefer lower latency at 60 than added latency but 120 animation for an fps

that's just me tho

[grand yacht]

Help i am losing my sanity

[whole roost]

i just want 120 fps yknow double my fps same as you

[vast fjord]

seriously go into task manager and see how much of what its taking up, will show you what issue youre having

[whole roost]

is msi afterburner not accurate?....

[oak acorn]

it's not hard to hit 120 fps on mid to low with a 3080 at 1600p ultrawide -- but i've got dlss, so it might look like shit on fsr

[mental violet]

favourite feature of this new game is def the shield

[whole roost]

i have a 6750 xt...

[vast fjord]

never used it, task manager is accurate and if you cant see anything in afterburner, might as well give it a go. How much ram do you have

[oak acorn]

yeah i love it. i spent an hour early in the game throwing it at literally every object to see if it would break

[whole roost]

32gb

[mental violet]

when it's fully upgraded it has so many cool effects too

[whole roost]

vram is 12 gb

[light cobalt]

Im on 6600 and i want to hit 60. Is frame gen better than upscaling to keep the games clarity, because unfortunately i think i have to use them

[oak acorn]

ah - i want to upgrade my 3080 bc its only got 10gb vram

[glossy narwhal]

frame gen will add input lag, use upscaling if possible

[oak acorn]

was gonna grab a 9070xt for $600, according to marketing i could just walk into a store and buy one for that price

[vast fjord]

good ram and decent gpu, weird, have a look see if for some reason your Vram is the issue, shouldnt be, and if not CPU

[light cobalt]

Have you experimented with how much sharpness is too much?

[whole roost]

dude i just checked with task manager and said the same 9gb of vram used, same as msi afterburner then the game crashed....

[whole roost]

i have a ryzen 5600x

[vast fjord]

what settings you got the game on, medium?

[whole roost]

medium

[oak acorn]

according to df's video even 3700x shouldn't bottleneck the game

[slender furnace]

Fr

[oak acorn]

also the pretty colors look need

[glossy narwhal]

i haven't, i think i just leave it default and then put DLSS on performance with 80% scale, but experiment to see what works best for you

[slender furnace]

Man, the game resolutions looks so bad on ps5, imo eternal would look sharper, and eternal also had better adaptive triggers, tda adaptive triggers are so mid honestly

[whole roost]

i dont trust df.... for me threat interactive has convinced df isnt a source to really be trusted.

[vast fjord]

some stupid potential fixes, have you updated your drivers? and mess around w vsync, sometimes can help frame issues

[honest vortex]

Not sure I'd agree with that, but it's kinda a Djent like style

Mixed with industrial glitchy elements

[oak acorn]

i mean, the video is just alex testing out various hardware and settings, comparing the differences in frametime, and visuals

[whole roost]

up to date drivers, and vsync is turned off

[light cobalt]

Yeah. It should also be slightly different cuz i have fsr. Haven't researched it though because im not a big fan of upscalers

Im really biting the bullet here

[whole roost]

yall needa listen to meshuggah or brand of sacrifice

[honest vortex]

Tbf Classic DOOM OST was kinda generic metal as it was just rip offs of existing metal songs 😂

[oak acorn]

sadly fsr is WAY behind dlss

[honest vortex]

Heard both

[vast fjord]

not that versed in OG DOOM ost so fair play

[honest vortex]

They pretty cool

[oak acorn]

at this point dlss performance is almost as good as quality used to be

[vast fjord]

really odd, hows your cooling? could be a temp issue

[sonic turret]

What does the word Djent actually mean?

[light cobalt]

I guess we work with what he have

[honest vortex]

I guess "generic" isn't the right word, as the songs classic DOOM ripped off weren't inherently generic but still

[thin kite]

have they dropped another patch today?

[whole roost]

nah man i have like 70 degrees celsius for my cpu and 60 degrees for my gpu idk what is going on and its making me so mad

[thin kite]

i still cant launch the game

[violet compass]

I'm downloading the game rn

[sonic turret]

I dunno, it was like six months before we got our first Eternal patch.

[dusty halo]

They're varied and the midi format did a lot to keep them interesting.

[oak acorn]

that being said -- i mean, if you don't mind some ghosting and shimmering, fsr isn't TERRIBLE

[honest vortex]

I think it's like some kinda metal that involves a specific guitar tuning but I'm not entirely sure

[thin kite]

ahh so its looking like im cooked

[whole roost]

modern triple A gaming....

[thin kite]

xbox app is so trash

[honest vortex]

You're gonna love it

[light cobalt]

Didn't get to "play" the game yet but idling at the start when you spawn with it set to performance 60 was steady

[honest vortex]

What do y'all think of Moistcritikal's take on The Dark Ages?

[light cobalt]

I haven't had the time to rlly test tho

[sonic turret]

I get that, but why did they call it Djent? They use the strangest names just like they do with FPS titles.

[honest vortex]

Not talking about the crashing video, the newest one I mean

[vast fjord]

i feel that, honestly dont know what it could be if nothings peaking out. Id say just wait till theres a patch cause the games state has been all over the place. Moistcritical (who definitely has a better pc than me) had the game crash all the time day of launch. Just seems to be a gamble if the game works for people rn, standard bethesda game

[honest vortex]

Idk tbh. I guess it sounds like gentle? Who knows

[whole roost]

Triple A gaming…

[honest vortex]

The take where he said Dark Ages is good, but is way worse than Eternal and 2016.

[glossy narwhal]

valid critiques, mainly towards the gpu drivers making the game crash, but a bit off when it came to the gameplay, it's more fun than he makes it out to be, especially the dragon and mech sections, they're nothing spectacular but they are fun to go through

[whole roost]

Crazy how a UE5 game like expedition 33 runs better… so ridiculous.

[oak acorn]

my 3080 stays mostly around 95$ usage and is at a steady 71c the whole time

[whole roost]

IMO eternal is like my top 3 favorite games of all time

[vast fjord]

its a shame as well cause eternal was so well optimised

[oak acorn]

altho.... what if the temp isn't updating bc of driver issues?

[honest vortex]

Personally HUGE disagree from me.

I like TDA more than Eternal.

But I kinda....get it I guess?

[oak acorn]

it's cool. i like tda more too. and I LOVED eternal so that's saying a lot

[glossy narwhal]

and i wouldn't say worse than 2016, definitely better than 2016, up to personal preference about eternal although for me this game is above eternal

[oak acorn]

it's just tda's gameplay is more my style.

[whole roost]

Like I get the raytracing requirement, cuz lazy I am lazy too….. but dude this huge performance cost and the game running like ahhhhh too ridiculous I’m not gonna excuse the million dollar company.

[vast fjord]

I think it depends what youre looking to get from it, i prefered Eternal to TDA gameplay wise. But story wise TDA is better than Eternal and 2016 imo

[honest vortex]

I'm starting to possibly like TDA more than 2016 as well. Maybe. But not entirely sure yet for sure.

I love 2016 A LOT , so that's saying something.

[vast fjord]

do you have it on steam?

[whole roost]

No.

[dusty halo]

Im on march 18 drivers and i haven't had a crash.

[whole roost]

Xbox game pass pc game pass

[dusty halo]

Im very grateful.

[honest vortex]

I think I prefer TDA gameplay atleast on 110-120% game speed

[oak acorn]

thing about forced ray tracing is... without it how many more years would we have had to wait for the game to come out?

[honest vortex]

Also guns and attacks sound so much more impactful and powerful in TDA

[dusty halo]

Dark ages is really well optimised despite the RT requirement.

[whole roost]

That’s what I’m saying, but you know if you’re gonna require raytracing Atleast fix the stuff like the crashes and unstable nature rn…. I even saw videos of the frame times being recorded of them being trash…

[oak acorn]

yeah it runs better than cyberpunk with rt on the lowest settings

[vast fjord]

ahh right, Tbh ive always had issues with xbox launcher. Tried to play starfield on my i7-12700f and 4070 super and it was genuinely unplayable, on steam it runs completely fine

[honest vortex]

I also think TDA has much stronger level design and secret hunting and exploration compared to Eternal

[dusty halo]

ID software have always been good when it comes to optimising their games.

[whole roost]

It’s like we playing different games 😭

[honest vortex]

But I do miss Slayer Gates.

I miss Slayer Gates a LOT

[vast fjord]

was playing Ultra Nightmare 140% earlier it was so fun, might do a whole run on it

[oak acorn]

i haven't had any crashed but i don't have a 5000 series card so i don't think my drivers are missing things up and i didn't play it before launch

[dusty halo]

Keep in mind. Its rough on my card but it actually used my card.

[oak acorn]

wait that's a lie. i had one single crash.

[dusty halo]

I have a 5080 using March 18 drivers and I haven't gotten a single crash.

[honest vortex]

Please add something like Slayer Gates and Master Levels in future updates plz.

Also I hope the DLC kicks ass

[whole roost]

The outlier man… because dude I have been crashing every like second everytime I play the stupid game

[dusty halo]

I do not intend to update until they sort their shit out.

[violet compass]

1 hour until I can play peak

[vast fjord]

Im glad i somehow avoided the problems, ive played since early access and got first crash today

[whole roost]

Even critikal was crashing…

[oak acorn]

idk why it crashed either -- windows even viewer had nothing to show. this was about playing about 7 hours straight. i proceeded to play 5 more hours straight with no crashes

[glossy narwhal]

haven't had a single crash since pre-release on the 566.36 drivers

basically flawless

[oak acorn]

one thing -- i am not running windows 24h2. i'm in 23h2 i think

[dusty halo]

Theres also the part of you're using a 13 to 14 gen intel cpu you might have a bad cpu of the bunch

[whole roost]

Only thing I can say is this launch wasn’t as bad as stalker 2’s…

[vast fjord]

forgot about this lol

[vast fjord]

i forgot that game came out jesus

[dusty halo]

Ya i remembered gmanlives he's had his crashes and he has a 13900KS.

[glossy narwhal]

funny because stalker 2 got the a-life update as soon as dark ages came out :>

[dusty halo]

That thing is crazy power hungry.

[oak acorn]

and i have a ryzen cpu -- i thought i read in a patch note there might be issues with ryzen cpu's and nvidia gppu's -- i know path of exile 2 was unplayable on windows 11 24h2 due to this issue so i rolled back

[oak acorn]

ehh.... 13th gen intels have heating issues galore

[dusty halo]

Am I just lucky with hardware hello????

[ocean kraken]

too bad this game is getting negative reviews because of the high required specs to play, its so good

[vast fjord]

i want the pizza slayer skin but they arent in my country i will explode

[opal tusk]

PSA: Looks like Twitch drops are working again, extended to 13th of June.

[oak acorn]

i mean... it's less the specs are high, it's more than you need recently-ish made hardware

[dusty halo]

To me who's grown up with doom its wild hearing when someone hasn't played classic doom here.

[oak acorn]

pretty sure a 1080ti is more powerful than a 2060

[vast fjord]

is it worth it

[dusty halo]

10 series cards cant run this game.

Classic doom is good yeah. Id say its worth it.

[vast fjord]

ive watched a decent bit of gameplay and played the latest 3 but was thinking about playing OG

[ocean kraken]

i played it for like 10 minutes inside of doom eternal lmao, it was fun tho

[whole roost]

Fineeee I’ll play it again.

[oak acorn]

i know, they're not rt capable. but raster wise isn't the 1080ti more powerful than the lowest rtx card?

[mental gate]

yes it is.

[dusty halo]

I got to the end of episode 1 but the sound was overlapping and it hurt to listen to.

[mental grotto]

Real and doom 1 and 2 unironically stand the test of time especially when you take into account the super active modding scene

[whole roost]

For me that’s not a problem… it’s just the crashing and awful implementation of fsr 3 frame gen that I’ve seen that makes me mad

[oak acorn]

i mean.... you can't run the game on a 7 year old console. idk why ppl are mad it can't run on a 7 year old gpu?

[vast fjord]

does anyone know if eternal/2016 is still possible to 100%? didnt know if I couldnt because of the multiplayer achievements

[oak acorn]

is that unreasonable to feel that way?

[whole roost]

Reminds me of cyberpunks broken ahhh 3.1 implementation of fsr that doesn’t even work

[ocean kraken]

im lucky bc ive only gotten 1 crash in a lot of playtime, tbf though i got this pc like this year so idk how it runs on older pcs

[whole roost]

It’s a lot of things right now… the gpu market is dying dude… so our hardware requirements increasing like this when our gpus aren’t that insane or available or REASONABLY PRICED… it makes people angry…

[oak acorn]

dude gpu prices are INSANE. like, i've never seen a gen-on-gen performance parity (give or take 10%) combine with a price INCREASE. wtf

like my brother bought a 4090 for $1600 when it came out. 5080's cost around the same price, sometimes more. and that's msrp

[mental gate]

50 series is the biggest piece of trash. at least the new amd gen is good so far

[opal tusk]

I paid 4300€ for my astral 5090 back on 7 feb. 💀 but I was one of the first to own it in my country.
Prices are insane. Now they're 3k.

[oak acorn]

and 5080 has less vram AND raster performance than the 4090

[olive canopy]

I got lucky about almost 2 years ago got a 4070 for 500ish

[vast fjord]

also does anyone know if you get a skin for beating this game on Pandemonium? list im looking at says it does but cant find a pic of it anywhere

[olive canopy]

I accidentally saw that you do

[simple cape]

Deleting a Dark Ages save, someone enlighten me.

[olive canopy]

And it’s nice too

[simple cape]

Because there's no option here for it, or I'm stupid.

[vast fjord]

anywhere i can see a pic?

[oak acorn]

man im so bummed. i really was excited to upgrade my gpu this gen -- was even stoked to finally buy an amd one for the first time since, idk, a radeon 9600 i bought in 2004 bc it came with half life 2

[flat pulsar]

Hope the first mod added to TDA is bringing back itytd

[oak acorn]

literally thought i was gonna spend $600 on a 9070xt

jokes on me

[vast fjord]

actually hoping this game gets multiplayer. Im missing it tbh

[dusty halo]

They're dead simple games.

And thats the charm to them.

[oak acorn]

it's not all bad tho. my 3080 is holding up well -- and with the dlss transformer model introduction, it got a free 40% boost in performance basically since i can lower dlss settings with barely a visual hit

[mental grotto]

God tier reference

[olive canopy]

Saw one on X, but I didn’t wanna spoil my self lol

[olive canopy]

You couldn’t do it?

[vast fjord]

found it anyway, for anyone who wants to see it you can see the skins in game in milestone in campaign

[oak acorn]

if i could buy a 5080 for $1k or less, or a 9070xt for $600 -- i would. but i'm not paying over msrp, it would feel gross

[bronze ledge]

Anyone here got it on Xbox?

[olive canopy]

Yeah understandable

[oak acorn]

even if i CAN afford it, the value is so poor i can't stomach the thought of wasting money like that

like I'll pay double for a burger at the airport, sure. but im not paying double for a gpu at best buy or microcenter

[civic yacht]

buy used 🤷 . if you can find a good deal its worth it imo

[cursive path]

The AGES are DARK!!!!

Ok bye

[olive canopy]

Doom!!!

[oak acorn]

every used 4080 or 4090 i've seen on fb marketplace, craigslist, jawa, or ebay is around $200 to $300 over original msrp -- aib msrp, that is

[olive canopy]

Oh ok bye

[oak acorn]

that's crazy -- never seen 2 year old used gpu's sell for MORE than they were bought for

[civic yacht]

damn. i've only looked for 6600X's used which are like $350 so i've found good deals xD

[civic yacht]

the DARK is AGES!!!!

[oak acorn]

it's most mid to high range cards hit the hardest price wise

i won't by amd unless it's 9000 series because i want ai upscaling and rt cores

[civic yacht]

idrc about ai upscaling and all that stuff. i only have a 75hz display so my 2080S can run most things on high/ultra since im not trying to max out my frames or anything

[oak acorn]

i'm using a 4k oled with 120hz/165hz with dsc. it's a tv tho not a monitor, but it's got gsync, even tho it uses hdmi

that being said... the vrr window is small and apparently it's not "real" gsync

[violet compass]

I can barely contain my excitement to finally play this game

[civic yacht]

mine is 3440x1440@75hz, and i don't use raytracing so 🤷

[oak acorn]

despite not being a monitor tho, it works great for a pc display -- after disabling all the lg included garbage, editing the edit, using color control, cru, hgig, and a few other things to get it working well

[dusty halo]

Im gonna get around to over clocking my 5080 once my new PSU comes in. Turns out its memory was done to the Max.

[oak acorn]

actually -- i've started trying out playing games in "ultrawide" by setting the resolution to 3840 x 1600 and simply sitting closer (have a portable desk in living room). and since it's an oled, the bars on the top and bottom aren't noticible bc there's no dimming zones, the pixels are just off

[dusty halo]

But the market is terrible.

At least the CPU market is good hey

[split saddle]

Doom

[oak acorn]

it's 48 inch at 16:9, so idk what that is in 21:9 but pixel density is still high -- about the same as a 34 inch 1440p ultrawide, maybe even higher

[split saddle]

I can’t wait to be done with this work night shift, wake up and play dark ages

[split saddle]

Yours is 48 inches? 😳

[oak acorn]

yeah -- i have a small living room

[stiff patio]

Yeah i really don't like that. That certianly wasn't how i set it up 🤷‍♂️

[dusty halo]

I wanna see how the game runs at 1080p

[oak acorn]

was also thinking of using it as a monitor in my office but stuck with 2 1440p ips displays

too big for my desk

[dusty halo]

I want to properly get into 4k but 1440p has been too nice for me.

[civic yacht]

that must be a struggle living with 48 inches, or is it a blessing?

[oak acorn]

nah it's perfect for my living room size

[dusty halo]

Bros got a noodle

[oak acorn]

since unlike my monitor, it's not on an arm so distance isn't adjustable. means i had to pick size based on fixed viewing distance -- at least for content

[dusty halo]

God im a child. No. Ive always admired those bedrooms that can be lived in.

[neon perch]

One of the demonic essence upgrades are broken for me in the Arathum level (the first one on the dragon). I got both the shell and health upgrades but the game still says I'm 0/1.

Is this a reported issue?

[oak acorn]

when i game i just roll my desk in -- i've also got a 5.1 speaker set, 400 watt powered subwoofer, and a nice receiver in the living room -- matching front, left, and center too

i put it together for content watching but honestly it makes a bigger difference gaming.

[hard thistle]

Shotgun shells are red, demons are nocturnal, Halo may be infinite. But ||DOOM IS ETERNAL!!!||

[oak acorn]

5.1 gaming is incredibly underrated -- being able to identify the position of any object making sound is incredibly immersive, you even heard its position change as the camera rotates

[small bobcat]

Anyone beat nightmare?

[violet compass]

I've loaded in

[split saddle]

You can go tougher than nightmare

[violet compass]

I'm so excited

[split saddle]

I feel like the sliders for nightmare are a bit generous

[small bobcat]

i'm thinking doing ultra nightmare

[hard thistle]

i felt the game was too easy so i tuned up the enemy damage to 300% and the parry timing small on nightmare

[small bobcat]

and still easy?

[split saddle]

hell

[hard thistle]

Its finally the challenge ive been looking for

[small bobcat]

make it more hard do ultra nightmare:p

[split saddle]

Your first play through?

[small bobcat]

i just beat game min ago

[split saddle]

nice

[small bobcat]

and good thing is i got nightmare skin

[lucid shard]

do we have any idea when dark ages will actually be fixed? literally had to refund on steam because it would go straight to bloodsplat on launch

[hard thistle]

The skull crusher is fucking awesome, who cooked up with that idea?

[small bobcat]

game just launch 2 days ago ok give it time

[lucid shard]

game technically launched 4 days ago, figure theyd release a working product

[split saddle]

What’s ur gpu?

[small bobcat]

that early accese and game fully launch 2 days so give them time still

[crystal swan]

having an issue on level 14 where the health upgrade isn't getting counted so it's permanently at 99% completion :/

[lucid shard]

dont remember it off the top of my head but thats not the issue it crashes instantly

not even a loading screen or anything

[tranquil moss]

yeah because nightmare only has 50% more damage when compared to UV

[split saddle]

u can check quick by task manager or geoforce if its nvidia card …

[lucid shard]

i5-10600k

[full cave]

Beat the game

That was fun

[split saddle]

no, graphics card

[lucid shard]

oh rtx 4060 ti

[small bobcat]

i play game with rtx 3060 and runs fine

[full cave]

I had the same issue but on level 8

[small bobcat]

on nightmare graphics and dlss balance

[split saddle]

Just immediately into the bugsplat error ?

[lucid shard]

yeah

literally spent 5+ hours troubleshooting

[tranquil moss]

im glad my game's been crash free since i opened it for the first time

[small bobcat]

also fact is i did not encounter any crashed but game freezeing for like second

[tranquil moss]

also i kinda want there to be a difficulty where its just all the settings cranked up + permadeath (to satisfy the ultra nightmare addicts)

[slender furnace]

Guys, are they gonna fix the game for consoles cuz they look so chopped and blurry

[molten spear]

Same here

[marsh hawk]

BRING BACK GLORY KILLS

[molten spear]

i think the shield saw is so good

[fading mauve]

Did anyone have any problems with lighting and reflections? With

[tranquil moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964472230379679806/1373114096790011965/image.png?ex=68293ba7&is=6827ea27&hm=9e76e89ee5bffca66acac3826a3050c32692f47c6b09bed7e66126410b4d2588& this is what i mean

[marsh hawk]

I’m playing the game for the first time bruh we need glory kills

[small bobcat]

damn

[tranquil moss]

shield saw has some glory kills and if you do a finisher from above you can get glory kills (not for all demons)

[small bobcat]

game have some glory kills but they downgrade most it

[tranquil moss]

yeah because you're supposed to punch them

[small bobcat]

what with my fist on big demons?!

[marsh hawk]

Ik man but like c’mon

[tranquil moss]

indeed

[marsh hawk]

We need them back

[small bobcat]

ok

[hard thistle]

That should be called Maximum Sadist difficulty

[tranquil moss]

champions and leaders are an exception to this

[small bobcat]

also little fact i saw a demon tpose for second while jumping on other side

[marsh hawk]

Still an amazing game even without glory kills

[cold patio]

there's glory kills but limited

[dusty halo]

Glory kills kinda annoying in retrospect.

They were cool as hell when they were first released but I feel like as time has passed you need things dead.

[crystal swan]

did you fix it?

[cold patio]

i still like the execution idea, better gameplay imo, instead of being locked to animation, glory kills was good feature, without them doom still doom.

[dusty halo]

The new glory kills with the saw through the monster is really simple yet gets the brutality across.

[cold patio]

ye

[crystal swan]

i think glory kills were fine because you don't have to do them

[cold patio]

they won't i guess, it's part of core gameplay

xD

maybe they make it an option, more updates to come, we'll see

haha 😂

[wise lily]

Ngl with 2016 and Eternal the glory kills stopped being about the "augh so gruesome" factor and more about the "alright a second to breath and think" factor

[wild rose]

How tf is he quick swapping like that?
https://youtu.be/yI-OSGlb9js?si=PP82l99NASVyOnu9

But you can lmao

[wise lily]

Its the game speed

[wild rose]

Imo we should always have glory kills for heavy or super heavy demons. It feels disappointing simply kicking a Cyberdemon and putting it down

[wise lily]

At max speed it makes the game feel like it has quick swap. This also might just be a case of PC master race where the weapons are on keybinds

[wild rose]

For me it is lmao. The shield saw goes hard af

But I find more fun simply destroying multiple demons at once with my flair without stopping at each individually

[trail ice]

Quick question, is there a channel to bring up bugs in the game? Because I hit a small one that will drive me crazy, I'm sure.

[wild rose]

So it's still as slow as it's to us it just feels faster because the overall game is faster?

[wise lily]

Yea. Everything is faster including animations so it stands to reason it would be the same for weapons

[wild rose]

But at 0:09 he did a straight up Eternal swapping

It's too fast even for 150% speed

[violet compass]

Just finished the first mission

Absolute cinema

[wise lily]

Yeah thats keybinds then

[wild rose]

But even quick swapping just tapping R1 on console it isn't as fast

[wild rose]

I know right?

[violet compass]

Do I unlock the shield saw in chapter 2?

[wild rose]

Yes

[violet compass]

Aight bet

[marsh hawk]

Bruh my game crashed

[wise lily]

Thats probably where the game speed comes into play. He's using that in conjunction with the keybinds i believe

If its not that then it's probably a mod

[marsh hawk]

WHAT DO I DO ITS FROZEN AND NONE OF MY BUTTONS ARE WORKING

MY KEYBOARD WONT WORK

[wild rose]

I think my game at 150% just tapping R1 wouldn't be as fast. At 120% it's so much slower than this

Gotta test

[marsh hawk]

HELP ME

My entire screen is frozen and my keyboard won’t work cuhhhhh

I’m on mobile

I was playing doom

[prime agate]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-andy-dwyer-omg-shocked-face-meme-gif-25585329

[rugged hill]

this game clears at 150 speed on nightmare

its so fucking fast

and you feel like a god

[honest vortex]

I much prefer the shield saw glory kills over the lame pathetic Doom Blade glory kills personally

[rugged hill]

they used the doom blade too much

[honest vortex]

Also DOOM Blade looks and feels so weak. It's just weak pathetic sounding slices

[rugged hill]

I like it when doomguy just rips them apart bare handed.

i should really replay 2016

[honest vortex]

Yeah I like barehands as well as the chainsaw shield glory kills

I don't like the Doom Blade at all

[rugged hill]

I know the shield saw does this already but
I want him to hurl the chainsaw

Actually, I want him to have a chainwhip lol

[honest vortex]

Yeah 2016 had the best sounding, looking, and feeling glory kill and chainsaw kills animations.

They also felt and sounded much crunchier in 2016 compared to Eternal's where the glory kills and chainsaw kills sounded and looked weak and cartoony.

[rugged hill]

The chainsaw kill on the baron, oh god

Eternal had some of my favorite glorykills tho. All the arm breaker ones are great

The from above glorykill on the cyberdemon in eternal is too weak imo

[urban compass]

Got to level 4 on pandemonium

[rugged hill]

whats pandemonium do?

[urban compass]

The game hurts a lot when you have to restart levels

[urban compass]

Extra life mode basically, except when you die you restart the level and use one life sigil

[rugged hill]

word

my pc was screaming in agony with the gamespeed cranked to max lol

[merry sapphire]

with how long the campaign is, ultra nightmare is gonna traumatize some people that die at the last level

[urban compass]

I decided the crank the speed to max just to see what it was like, it’s different…

[patent robin]

any help? i have premium edition but didnt get the void slayer skin

[urban compass]

I likely will turn it back down to something more managable, people are absolutely glazing 150% speed

[rugged hill]

my friend is so funny lmao. he was calling Doom the Dark Ages Doom: Shadow Legends.

[rugged hill]

as much as I like playing games like this super fast, I also like to slow the game down and play at an almost cinematic level lol

[zealous hamlet]

Still no patch, this sucks.

[mellow yew]

It’s a preorder bonus so maybe you bought the game after launch so that usually don’t count

[patent robin]

i preordered in march

[urban compass]

Yeah I’ll likely keep it between 100-120%

[mellow yew]

Well time to talk to Bethesda support

[rugged hill]

120 was perfect for me tbh

[patent robin]

guess so unfortunately

[urban compass]

I feel like the eternal purists will love the 150 mode though

[patent robin]

same 120 is perfect gamespeed for my skill level

[mellow yew]

Yeah I’m still waiting for my twitch drop skin for like 3 days tf lmao

[patent robin]

i never even got the twitch drop to begin with

watched like an hour of xqc i think and never got my drop

[mellow yew]

lol same, makes me wanna rage like the Slayer 💀

[zealous hamlet]

Game gave me 2 full reboot crashes last night, so annoyed with the dev silence. How hard is it to say "yes, the game is crashing for many people."

Game has full on crashed my PC so hard, it rebooted.

And I checked logs, and it was Doom hanging the driver both times

I'm on AMD, and I've reinstalled 25.5.1 3 times, all clean installs.

[next oar]

Yea amd is so unstable

[zealous hamlet]

They didn't test for shit, plain and simple.

[next oar]

And it sucks we have to use that driver version

[honest vortex]

I like the Arachnotron flip from behind in Eternal

[next oar]

Was using a stable 2023 build until this game came out lol

[zealous hamlet]

Nvidia GPUs with AMD CPUs having problems is a known issue, how the fuck does that make it past QA?

[final sundial]

I have a 3070 and a 11700k with 16gb of ram, game is barely getting 10 fps, what do I do?

[rugged hill]

yeah that one is good lol

[honest vortex]

I love how he chainsaws the whole Mancubus belly in 2016. Meanwhile in Eternal he only gets the heart

Also 2016 felt like it had a lot more contextual chainsaw kills.

In Eternal, even from behind, you'll still get a front chainsaw kill on a Mancubus for example

[final sundial]

i think 32, but either way it should be alright

[candid jay]

yea might need at least 32 for most modern games nowadays honestly, and especially if you have other things like browsers or whatever running

[hard thistle]

most pointless drop to advertise

[final sundial]

nothing else is running in the background

[honest vortex]

They exist in Eternal, just not as much

[candid jay]

you would be surprised, 16 is actually not enough sometimes, you'll start noticing the stutters/issues

[next oar]

Chainsaw more like Lamesaw

[cerulean veldt]

I just got the game, my balls are sweatin rn

[honest vortex]

Also the multiplayer exclusive glory kills and chainsaw kills were fantastic.

As well as the demons glory killing the players in multiplayer

[rugged hill]

I might have to play that south of midnight game

[final sundial]

thing i don’t understand though is, it ran well for about 6-7 minutes at 60fps and then i hit the first prompt in the game where i got the power gauntlet, exited out of the prompt and the game went back to 10 fps

[honest vortex]

Demons glory killing Doomguy in the campaign was also sick

[heady moon]

Ngl? I didn't see the appeal to the chainshot at first... Until I got the first upgrade
Yeah that thing is busted

[candid jay]

nope, any browsers, if you play a ram intensive game you'll eventually face that issue most modern games has that issue

[honest vortex]

I love the sound it makes when you don't charge it

[oak stream]

are the hell fighter ships broken for you guys?

[vagrant gale]

do you guys ever change weapons

[honest vortex]

Also I love the sound of exploding shield guys

[next oar]

I feel like they're gonna nerf the full charge on parry upgrade

[heady moon]

I can't believe a tether ball is my favorite weapon 😭

[vagrant gale]

i feel like super shotgun is the only one i need

[next oar]

It's so op

[candid jay]

The game still has lots of issues right now I'd imagine leave them a week or so and there'll be more fixes coming out for all the bugs

[hollow sandal]

Yea, its not so fun using only one weapon

[honest vortex]

Yeah. I quick swap between mods/attachments, and then switch to other weapons for variety

[thin zinc]

i can. it rules

[candid jay]

I've faced too many bugs in this game, from being locked out of a level to falling off the map

[honest vortex]

Haven't had much bugs in this game, but in Eternal I got bugs all the time

[candid jay]

There are some parts of the game levels where you can fall off the map and it doesn't teleport you back up you have to manually go back to checkpoint

[limber pebble]

I just plat the game today chat

[candid jay]

Bout same same to me for both eternal and this

[thin zinc]

i will say a lot of the guns feel useless in this game. in eternal every gun mattered. in this like the plasma gun doesnt even need to be there cause you can break the blue shields with a shield throw

[honest vortex]

This game feels a lot more polished than Eternal for sure

[next oar]

There's been times where enemy attacks send me flying across an arena when blocking

[zealous hamlet]

You can softlock the game by spamming shield throw as any cutscene is beginning.

[candid jay]

Hm

[next oar]

I wonder if there's a tech to it

[zealous hamlet]

You can cause a vram leak by reloading into the same stage over and over. Seems to be FSR dependent though.

[honest vortex]

I probably had the least amount of bugs in 2016. Though in 2016 whenever it does bug out, it's usually an extreme bug like a glory kill making you clip through the floor resulting in your death.

Or melee lunging for glory kills yeeting you around

[candid jay]

Tru, 2016 was the least buggiest for me

[honest vortex]

But they seem the least frequent in 2016 generally

[zealous hamlet]

I've found more ways to break the game than I have to get it working for me. -_-

[candid jay]

2 hours into my first tda playthrough a few days ago i was locked on the first mission because it didnt proc the animation sequence to when one of the sentinel pilot fell

so the demons just kept spawning endless wave on the first arena of the first mission (lore accurate doom slayer 🔥 )

[honest vortex]

I never had a soft lock in Dark Ages, meanwhile I got them all the time in Eternal. ALL the time.

[candid jay]

You're just lucky, I actually didn't get softlocked at all thru my eternal playthrough

[zealous hamlet]

When I was coming up the wall in stage 2 when you fight the first hell knight, I hit it with the shield throw as the cutscene ended, tutorial message bugged and wouldn't accept input, and I found out it works with most cutscenes, lol.

[honest vortex]

Arc Complex has various soft locks literally every time I replay it, and I replayed that mission countless times

Still a banger mission though

[candid jay]

Ah interesting, I didn't know that

[honest vortex]

Also Master Levels and DLC levels did it a lot

[candid jay]

My only gripe with the game rn is that I wished there was more accessibility feature with map, maybe ability to mark an area or the quest pins actually working as intended (because you can't pin quest sometimes)

[honest vortex]

So far no crashes or soft locks on my Dark Ages playthrough, though I have only reached mission 9.

[floral scroll]

Yo whats the consensus, are ppl enjoying this a lot or no

[honest vortex]

I also don't like the turret sections.

[candid jay]

I see

[candid jay]

Yurp

[real crater]

bishop kreed is such a bad boy

[honest vortex]

I think generally it's loved, though a lot of people think it's inferior to Eternal (not me though. This game is WAY better than Eternal IMO.)

[delicate grotto]

The only bugs I’ve encountered are:
1.) When finishing climbing up a wall sometimes the sprint and climb animations will clash, resulting in the model resetting its loop and freezing the animation for a second until it goes back to normal.
2.) Some demons will chase you to a certain point, then just stand there and not attack. Happened once with the 2nd Aggadon Hunter I was fighting.

[heady moon]

Idk if I've unlocked all guns but so far

1. Chainshot
2. Super Shotgun
3. Rocket Launcher
4. Pulverizer
5. Grenade Launcher
6. Impaler
7. Shredder
8. Cycler
9. Accelerator

[floral scroll]

Dragon/turret part sucks ass, thats where im at now and for the first time in a doom game i became kinda annoyed/bored

[honest vortex]

The mech part was kinda cool, but really archaic compared to Titanfall 2 mechs.

[floral scroll]

Enough that i actually found this discord to see if anyone thought the same and walla, first thing i see

[real crater]

i havent finished yet but its been pretty equal to eternal in terms of gameplay for me i like all the technicality of eternal's gameplay but i also like the simplicity of the dark ages' gameplay

[split gate]

As the game goes on, I think they implemented it perfectly, not overdoing it but enough to keep the game varied

[unique matrix]

chainshot is really fun

[floral scroll]

It feels like a filler slop in my opinion

[honest vortex]

I also prefer the level design, demons, enemies, exploration, secret hunting, aesthetics, presentation, environments, visual effects, and sound design of Dark Ages over Eternal's

[delicate grotto]

Yes.
General consensus is that it’s great.
It’s divided on whether it’s the best Doom game. Many think it is, and many find it the least good (still good just not as good) out of the modern trilogy.
Very few find it outright subpar or bad.

[heady moon]

It's my favorite weapon in a Doom game so far

[heady moon]

Okay here's the thing
I don't care because I'm riding a dragon, therefore any complaints are invalid to me because I am riding a dragon

[split gate]

Fair enough, I get tired of constantly running around sometimes, even though I love Doom, so change of pacing is always welcome

[patent hare]

Are drops for the new twitch skin working or no? I’m not getting any progress

[marble copper]

there is only one thing i would change about this game, i would like to either make the life sigil use screen options instant or set the sigils to be used automatically, i thoroughly enjoy the rest

[real crater]

yeah level design is definitely better but thats bound to be the case with the realistic graphics

[formal root]

I don’t think they are

[unique matrix]

has there been a similar weapon to it in any of the other doom game? other than dark ages doom eternal is the only other game ive played.

[honest vortex]

I mean the level layout and exploration itself, not necessarily the graphics

[floral scroll]

On the whole I agree, it is good, very good so far. Im enjoying the visuals and its a great direction. For some reason though I cant put my finger on a score id give it. On the one hands its fun and all but on the other hand it just doesnt bell ring like for example doom 3's atmosphere or even doom 2016

[honest vortex]

I loved Dark Ages atmosphere in a similar way as 2016 and DOOM 64.

Though I didn't click with Eternal's atmosphere that much

[floral scroll]

Feels more generic arcade shooter and less doom

[pine zenith]

does anyone know how to fix the game launching audio but not the window through xbox client?

[heady moon]

Uhhh I'm not entirely sure 😭
The only comparison I can think of... Ugh you're gonna hate me but it reminds me of Mr. Fantastic from Marvel Rivals

[delicate grotto]

TDA > Level design
TDA > Weapon variety
TDA > Game depth
Eternal > Combat
Eternal > Encounter design
Eternal > Music
2016 > Atmosphere

Storytelling I can’t really make my mind up on but I guess TDA since it actually commits to it this time.

[honest vortex]

Eternal did have its moments like Nekravol and UAC Atlantica.

Though generally it's atmosphere felt weak

[heady moon]

Who finds this game bad 😭
I personally think this is the best of the three, I think its pacing is a really nice middle ground between Eternal and 2016

[floral scroll]

It plays more like COD zombies than OG doom

[vagrant gale]

i like the weapon variety in TDA but i wish they weren't useless

[honest vortex]

I prefer TDA encounter design when they go nuts, but the difficulty progression feels more random and sporadic and less gradual and logical compared to Eternal

[honest vortex]

That's an ....interesting take.

[honest vortex]

They really did nail the balance between 2016's dark gritty groundedness but Eternal's whack crazy insanity

[floral scroll]

You know I'm right though

[split gate]

There’s been valid criticism over the game but the haters are Idiots who are blinded by nostalgia by the last two games or who hate on the ost because it’s not Mick.

[honest vortex]

Can't say I agree tbh. But to each their own I suppose

[viral rover]

Cod zombies? Are you fr

[heady moon]

I mean while it is horrible what happened to Mick Gordon I absolutely LOVE the soundtrack in this game 😭 it's still up to par with the other two

[honest vortex]

I don't think it's better than 2016's OST, it's weaker than 2016's music, but it's still really great

I prefer it over the Ancient Gods OSTs tbh

[split gate]

Exactly. What this game is doing rn is separating the real Doom fans from the casual fans who came just for the music. If TDA doesn’t stand out as much, it’s because those fake fans ran off

[pine zenith]

does anyone know how to fix the game launching audio but not the window through xbox client?

[floral scroll]

Theyve taken the entire element of horror/fear out of the game in favor of strictly arcadey elements. They even put freakin humans alongside you everywhere to make it feel like you're not all alone on some far away facility that is invaded by Hell

[honest vortex]

Yeah Marty Stratton is.... something

[floral scroll]

Doom was doom because of the sense of impending doom you got playing it, this doesnt have that at all

[heady moon]

Honestly I can't think of any criticisms that aren't present in either 2016 or Eternal
Other than... Y'know the fact that the game costs $70 which I will admit is an egregious price for around... 20 hours of gameplay

[vagrant gale]

hate on the ost because it's not Mick hate on ost because it's really not that good compared to earlier 2 games and you know that it is so because of the injustice against Mick.

[viral rover]

It’s amusing because TDA plays closer to classic doom than any of the other 2

[honest vortex]

It's also amusing that many people say Eternal's the only good game of the new trilogy when Eternal's the least Doomy of the three games

[naive schooner]

Having some trouble 100% on mission 6, I killed the |mancubus| boss on the north west side of the area and I’m not getting the resource for it, while in auto map the resource is the bottom yellow one

[viral rover]

Eternal is essentially quake mechanically

[split gate]

Yeah it’s a tragedy, all of us wished it didn’t end that way, but the problem is that people are just so biased over Mick that he unfortunately becomes the standard when the real standard is whether it fits the game or not

[heady moon]

That's been the transition of the main character itself in the recent games. Instead of being just a guy trapped in impending doom (Doomguy)... He is now the ender of that doom. The last hope of humanity, trying to end or slay that Doom once and for all (Doom Slayer)

[real crater]

||dear god why are tentacles back i just got jumpscared tf out of||

[honest vortex]

2016 was like a hybrid of Classic DOOM and Quake and a bit of Painkiller.

Eternal was pure on Quake but as Spiderman and without the exploration or mazes.

Dark Ages is like a melee focused Classic DOOM

[floral scroll]

Even if you disagree with me generally you have to admit the presence of live humans all around you takes away from the survival horror aspect dramatically. Atmosphere is more like mass effect than OG doom

[vagrant gale]

no lol if the bar can be that high, then why lower it by being an asshole to the guy who raised the bar at the first place

[cursive path]

She ages on my dark til I the

[split gate]

Music is entirely subjective, I love the FM’s ost just as much as Mick’s, different but executed just as well. The problem is bias. I have people who’ve never played Doom or heard the music and when they got to TDA, they loved it.

[shrewd mountain]

Guys I played TDA then jumped right into 2016, absolutely amazing feeling

[cursive path]

[heady moon]

Ohhh
Yeah I think I'm too young for this conversation 😭

[zealous hamlet]

That's a limitation of the old engines. See Strife for an example of what they ultimately wanted out of that generation.

[honest vortex]

I guess you could say Dark Ages is Classic DOOM meets Elden Ring or something.

I don't know a suitable comparison right now

[loud gulch]

imo the dragon is really good, its like giving you a break from the action abit

[honest vortex]

I think starting with Dark Ages before 2016 and Eternal would be very cool and interesting for a lot of people

[shrewd mountain]

Oh absolutely, even tho I beat UN on 2016 and eternal and know those games like the back of my hand

[honest vortex]

Oh wait, did you mean replaying 2016?

[vagrant gale]

yeah i'm not saying the music is ass/trash itself. i'm saying it's not as good as eternal. you may disagree but it's wrong to say people trash on the ost because of mick or that they are "fake" fans it's a media for all of us to consume and comment on. it's not made only for the people who played the og dooms.

[shrewd mountain]

Starting from TDA and working up to TAG 1 and 2 will be a very interesting way to play the game

[honest vortex]

Going from Captain America Elden Ring DOOM to 2016 to Eternal sounds like a trip

[vagrant gale]

another series added to the which one to play first list 😭

[shrewd mountain]

TDA feels like an introduction to the slayer, which gives subtle context to "future" events, 2016 feels like the doomslayer is regaining himself and working to become more speed and agility over raw strength, and eternal feels like him revisiting his past in a way

[zealous hamlet]

Nah, this game is babby's first parry, lol

I love it, but the parry window is hella awful, even at it's tightest. And you can parry projectiles that have passed you.

[shrewd mountain]

Whoever i want to introduce to doom, I'm gonna suggest either playing "chronological or release" if they ask what order to play

Cause both are wildly different experience

[split gate]

That’s from the majority of the comments I’ve seen in Insta and social media. I know there are people who don’t like the ost with actual valid reasons and that’s actually good, but there are just genuine haters who just hate for spite, I’m referring to them.

[vagrant gale]

Also I think it's cool that you get max health etc. by essentially killing demons which is how it's explained about doom guy getting more powerful in lore. Instead of collectibles, we are just killing stuff to be more powerful

[zealous hamlet]

I said even at it's tightest. It just doesn't feel right to parry something that I should have missed.

Good argument, nice conversation.

[shrewd mountain]

In 2016 lore, he gets his power from argent found in the blood of demons, which is why he had receptors on his suit, argent caches increase max health cause they are directly argent

[vagrant gale]

yea i understand what you mean now, it's just a very slim line between these 2 groups and it can be hard to differentiate but just wanted to lyk about my feelings as a *ost hater lol (i dont hate it, i wish it was better)

[shrewd mountain]

Demon blood heals the doomslayer (glory kills) and argent caches upgrade max health

[vagrant gale]

ye but also isnt it mentioned that he got more powerful because he kept fighting in hell for a long time?

[honest vortex]

I guess I meant more in tone and style, not difficulty. But it was also somewhat/kinda a satirical comparison as everyone loves to compare everything to Dark Souls.

[shrewd mountain]

No he gets that ability from the divinity machine

[split gate]

I understand bro, yeah you’re not a hater and I saw that right away from how you discussed, like you said, the line is so thin

[shrewd mountain]

He had the 2016 suit during his time in hell

After the divinity machine, he was able to "draw strength from his fallen foes" and his suits were made to balance around that

That's not him "staying" in hell

[honest vortex]

I actually kinda want to recommend people to play Dark Ages first due to being a prequel.

But it also might make people go to 2016 being like; "wtf where's the shield bash and melee weapons? Why do I only get a double jump? Literally unplayable."

So IDK lmfao

[shrewd mountain]

The civil war hasn't happened yet so he's not bound to hell yet

[naive ridge]

Lev 10 related

||wow I can see Nekrovol from here! :D||

[heady moon]

Hmmm
I feel like you can also tie the pacing of the game to the progression of the character which I really find enjoyable
TDA he was tied down and limited, however he was still designed to be a weapon to kill demons, which you can definitely feel the power behind
2016 he woke up from deep slumber, now in a current recuperating stage throughout the entire game
Eternal, he's done recuperating, he has no limitations by anyone, he's just here for one thing; slaughtering all demons

[shrewd mountain]

After TDA, it's hinted that the civil war will happen, the sentinels will have 2 factions, wraith worshippers (aka doom slayer, thira, novik) and the makyr loyalists (marauders, hell priests)

It could be the DLC

[honest vortex]

Also the tonal shift from the Cinematic big budget popcorn Medieval fantasy Sci Fi movie Epic of Dark Ages' story to this "monster/predator lurks in the dark and everything is mysterious" in 2016 might be a very jarring tonal shift for newcomers

[shrewd mountain]

After the betrayal of the sentinels by valen, the sentinels were stranded in hell (doomslayer included)

[void pollen]

https://youtu.be/GDz0Y6-32sQ

[shrewd mountain]

And after that, the remaining sentinels die in hell besides the slayer, which he remained in hell for eons

[void pollen]

nice bait

[lavish hazel]

Ain't the dragons name Serrat

[shrewd mountain]

Afterwards, he is become too much of a threat for hell, the hell priest lay a trap and crush a temple down on him, sealing him in a sarcophagus for an undetermined amount for time

Which is when 2016 picks up

We won't see the slayer sealed in hell, but we might see the civil war in the dlc

Codex, slayer testaments in 2016

[heady moon]

Me personally? I like having three games with relatively different play styles; One thing I notice that's a complaint with all game sequels is that they feel "too similar" to the original
Here we have three games with very different play styles, which most people could overlook at first but can definitely tell once they take a deeper dive

[shrewd mountain]

Yknow the "in the first age" speech

Modern doom parallels classic doom a lot

[honest vortex]

You're going to notice the tone and atmosphere regardless if you pay attention to the story

Hell yeah. It's the fastest loading FPS since the 90s

[void pollen]

I think the different playstyles is my favorite part of the new Doom trilogy; Eternal & TDA both fork off from the basis 2016 established in really fun & creative ways. Absolutely peak

[shrewd mountain]

There's doom 1, breaking the mold and becoming a beloved fps, doom 2 which was an improvement on the formula but different enough to be its own game, and then the third game which changes art direction and aesthetic, and an ost which is controversial

[split gate]

Quality difference is entirely subjective tho. John Williams is a phenomenal composer not by fact but by majority opinion. Some random company who makes the soundtrack isn’t going to sound the same. And likely people aren’t going to like it because it’s not John Williams. But for people who’ve never heard of John Williams or choose to remove the bias and understand if the music fit the movie, they may like it. Mick is Mick and FM is FM. Whether one is better isn’t really decided on fact, only people. I always wonder, what if the situation is the opposite? If FM was chosen to do the ost for 2016 and Eternal and Mick did TDA, would people not like Mick’s take cause of being biased towards FM?

[shrewd mountain]

Doom 2016, beloved fps, doom eternal is an improvement of the formula, TDA is the tonal shift with controversial ost

[honest vortex]

Interesting how Halo always fails and makes slop when they try something new, but DOOM makes masterpieces whenever they do something new.

[zealous hamlet]

.kkrieger is a 64kb FPS that launched in 2004 with instant load times, just saying.

[heady moon]

Exactly! If you want something more straightforward? Play 2016
Want something more complex? Play Eternal
Want a good middle ground between the two? Play TDA

[honest vortex]

Since the 90s DOOMs more specifically

[shrewd mountain]

Doom added sprinting and not a soul is acting like it's a sin to make doomslayer sprint

[heady moon]

I need to finish TDA first but... I think it's slowly becoming my favorite of the three

[honest vortex]

Tbf it's the same type of sprint that was used in the Classic 90s DOOMs

[zealous hamlet]

Praise be to Carmack

[whole blade]

There is a bug on chapter five that won’t let me land the dragon

[shrewd mountain]

TDA is my favorite but it probably won't be the one I wanna play out of boredom

[split gate]

That’s true, but there is always someone who’s never heard of John Williams. It’s a possibility

[whole blade]

Would love to somehow send a video

[honest vortex]

Classic DOOM and Dark Ages you sprinted without lowering your gun or being locked in an animation

[honest vortex]

Doom 3 uses the same Sprint system too though you had a stamina meter for it

[shrewd mountain]

Doom eternal is my comfort food doom, 2016 is my more invested playthrough, TDA requires so much time and brainpower, I love it and it's my favorite so far but I can't turn my brain off for it

[honest vortex]

Wdym?

[shrewd mountain]

Not in hell

[honest vortex]

Yeah, though in Hell, you have to hold down the button the whole time which I hated

[shrewd mountain]

No option to toggle either

Dude it's so much worse on console, my thumbs hurt thinking about it

[void pollen]

I'm honestly a bit worried about the lack of postgame content in TDA. I'm sure I'll replay it as much as I did Doom 3 & Eternal just because I like it that much but a new game plus and some challenge modes would be nice

[honest vortex]

True. Also sprinting felt a lot slower in Hell. Is it just me?

[shrewd mountain]

I mean it JUST came out

[split gate]

Horde Mode but more traditional pls 🙏🙏

[heady moon]

Whenever I play Eternal I talk to all the demons like they're my best friends before I rip them in half 😔

[shrewd mountain]

I don't know if new game plus would ever work for doom

[rapid brook]

this is harder than eternal for me by quite a bit lol

[shrewd mountain]

It would not fit TDA, but it 100% fits doom eternal

[void pollen]

It was faster in hell iirc but the fact that you have to hold the stick down is awful

[shrewd mountain]

I know there's mods but idk

[heady moon]

Even then there's still glory kills in TDA 😭

[rapid brook]

what the hell are you supposed to do when the cyberdemon and those shield guys and the arachnotrons shoot at you? there's no tell before they start shooting so you lose health so fast

[shrewd mountain]

Block

[void pollen]

Pull up the shield and ram into them

[heady moon]

I miss my chainsaw though I will not lie 😔
But the shield is... Good for now

[honest vortex]

Maybe it's because the Hell maps are much wider which gives the illusion of sprinting slower to me