the-dark-ages

[queen atlas]

I'm probably gonna get an 9800x3d for my 5080 and hopefully that will give me 100+ fps on max settings. But I saw the 5090 getting less than 200 fps on 1080p and I'm on 1440p so idk

Also can we finally see doom guys legs when looking down in TDA? I saw there's this shockwave when falling from a great height and that would be kinda weird without being able to see legs

[loud gulch]

how do i get image perms

[plain iron]

You don't.

[loud gulch]

💔

[mild loom]

Resolution bottlenecks, that system has to be running with a good cpu too

[queen atlas]

Yeah but the higher the resolution the more your GPU matters and the less CPU matters. At 4k your CPU almost doesn't matter. But was planning on upgrading to 7800x3d or 9800x3d anyway

[white temple]

Boost da server

[plain iron]

Nah

[white temple]

Boost da server

[meager vortex]

5days cheer up guys weee

[inner tundra]

Is it confirmed that path tracing patch will be released day one?

[meager vortex]

yep

[slender night]

That's not true

[harsh egret]

no, not day 1

will come with an update soon after launch

[inner tundra]

Ok I'll buy the game once it's finished. Non need to buy an unfinished product and then wait them to finish it before playing it.

[harsh egret]

???

what is bro on about

[inner tundra]

No path tracing no buy. Why should I buy something incomplete?

[white temple]

Boost da the server

[harsh egret]

how tf is it incomplete

what if they didnt have path tracing at all lmao

u wouldnt buy the game? 😭

[inner tundra]

No path tracing, not complete. But they advertised it.

[harsh egret]

yeah im losing braincells cya

[vapid lodge]

Imma lose it if they reschedule the delivery

[harsh egret]

:/

[vapid lodge]

Did anybody get a code that bought collectors edition?

I am hoping I will get a code if mine doesnt arrive on time

[lament grove]

Code is on a physical paper disc unfortunately

Can show u in merch showcase

[mystic patrol]

are you scheduled for may 12th as well?

[barren arrow]

My laptop has a geforce 1660 ti, will I be able to run tda on it on launch day?

[vapid lodge]

I know that, but if the delivery arrives AFTER early acces, whats the freaking point?

[mystic patrol]

no

[vapid lodge]

No 😦

[mystic patrol]

you need RTX

[vapid lodge]

Yes

[lament grove]

Yeah its rlly dumb, i dont think theres anything you can do about it unfortunately

[mystic patrol]

on bethesda gear site it tells me may 13th, and on ups may 12th. i think im gonna try my luck and write a ticket to bethesda for a digital code.

[barren arrow]

Oh

Damn :(

[vapid lodge]

Then they gotta give us codes man, i dont care, i paid for the whole thing

[lament grove]

Just hope that it comes earlier in the day and not when the game releases 😭

[vapid lodge]

Im gonna get more and more anxious by the day. If they advertised early access then we gotta have the bundle BEFORE 13th, not after

I already contacted customer support

[mystic patrol]

did they say anything?

[vapid lodge]

Not yet, its the weekend

[mystic patrol]

oh yes correct

[vapid lodge]

So nothing

[mystic patrol]

did you write directly to beth support or dpi support?

[vapid lodge]

Dpi?

[mystic patrol]

bethesda international gear store

[vapid lodge]

I wrote to beth supp

Ah international, yes ofc

[lament grove]

Yeah, i think they should have had the expected delivery date be way before EA release and not what it is now cuz some shit will always happen and some people would get it much later

[mystic patrol]

oh okay. beth supp works monday to sunday btw

[vapid lodge]

Then im gonna leave them a ticket too 🤣

[mystic patrol]

try writing to beth supp. they gave the keys for indiana jones when dpi delivered late last year

[queen atlas]

I just got it with my collectors edition that was delivered yesterday. Didn't get a code by mail

But if you don't get it delivered before may 13th then I think it would make sense to just give you the code through mail

[mossy flicker]

Is the game coming on the 14th or 15th?
Bc gamepass is saying 4 days till it can be played which is the 14th

[harsh egret]

Depending on timezones

00:00 utc i think it was

[mystic patrol]

correct

i have written to bethesda support

and i attached a full screenshot of the order

waiting for a response

[harsh egret]

Yh praying for u brother

[jolly relic]

I hope the France time for release also counts for Portugal

[tardy flint]

I'M SO EXCITED

[chilly wagon]

2 days im losing my mind

[delicate sequoia]

I’m seing so much bad reviews of the game

[hard thistle]

For anyone that has played: Is sprinting unlimited? or there's a bar that resets?

[delicate sequoia]

Did people forgot that classic doom had negative verticality and more exploration instead of caged levels

You couldn’t even jump

But ofc the game is bad because it’s not eternal

[chilly wagon]

i only really care what people like mayo or horde mode say tbh

[delicate sequoia]

Yeah

[chilly wagon]

and if you watch people playing at nightmare and know what they are doing, the game looks good, even better with 150% game speed lol

[delicate sequoia]

I know

[chilly wagon]

im sure it wont be perfect though, eternal is a game that probably cant be topped (imo) unless they were to make an eternal sequal which they would never do

[delicate sequoia]

Never say never

I hope they find a way

[sleek ermine]

Have you watched Trav Guy’s review

[delicate sequoia]

But still dark ages looks like is better than eternal

[chilly wagon]

nah not yet

[sleek ermine]

I recommend

[delicate sequoia]

Feels more doom Im sorry if wrong

[chilly wagon]

if more doom is like the OG dooms then yeah sure

[sleek ermine]

Feels more OG DOOM like tbh

[delicate sequoia]

But when I play classic doom it’s just me in the floor moving left or right to avoid getting hit while I’m killing

[chilly wagon]

yeah this person looks like they know what they are doing

[sleek ermine]

Guns + OG Doom like = very good DOOM

[delicate sequoia]

Hell yeah!

[chilly wagon]

its actually crazy how good OG doom holds up

[sleek ermine]

It holds up even better with their appearance in DOOM Eternal

[delicate sequoia]

It’s like carbonara, no matter if you add cream the original can’t be topped

[chilly wagon]

lmaoo true

[delicate sequoia]

[chilly wagon]

if only they had more story in the original games lol, like even some text scrolls

[north drum]

the reviews are coming in

[fluid vector]

dark ages comes out may 15 for me

[mystic patrol]

@vapid lodge out of curiosity. where is the last location of your collectors edition?

for me its Vecses, Hungary 05/09/2025, 5:30 A.M.

[vapid lodge]

Same

[mystic patrol]

wanna hijack that truck and get our CE's on time? 💀

just kidding

[rocky parrot]

when do your collectors edition come

[vapid lodge]

Ngl thought the same

[mystic patrol]

hopefully monday, even though shopify.com shows 13th 🙂

[rocky parrot]

lucky

i got the 14th

[vapid lodge]

Our says 12th but its not gonna be 12

The helmet was delayed for 2 days

Im ok with that because its not the game

But it has to fucking arrive on time

[plain iron]

Wait until you learn mine hasn't made it past received order 💔

[vapid lodge]

The collectors i mean

[vapid lodge]

Yeah I heard that too

[plain iron]

It's balls.

[rocky parrot]

Mines in Nurnberg Germany

[neon bough]

@rocky parrot Hello 🙂 Is it possible to Stream Doom the Dark Ages as Early Aces on Twitch?

[toxic cloud]

Guys what about doom the light ages wouldn't that be cool

[slender night]

This joke got old almost a year ago when TDA was announced

[mild loom]

hugo i love you, we get to do the thing

the preinstall

[upbeat cipher]

Then we are gonna be torturing our selves looking at it but not being able to play it 😂

[alpine pilot]

where doom

[hard thistle]

What if doom was in the dank ages?

[boreal locust]

It’ll release for me on the 13th

Only 2hrs through the 13th

The whole day of 12th I’ll just be thinking about it

[jolly relic]

What if instead of "Doom the dark ages" it was named "Doom the freaky ages"?

[sleek ermine]

[stoic sleet]

Thank you

[hard thistle]

Gooning and Dooming

[jolly relic]

I'm dooming it

[burnt moss]

am i the only one who hasnt watched any reviews or seen any opinions on gameplay or seen any achievement leaks

[hard thistle]

[burnt moss]

im going in fully blind

[grizzled thicket]

yep same

[burnt moss]

it comes out at 9:30am for me on the 13th

[grave cave]

Same!

[hard thistle]

Dooming it down the toilet

[fleet spruce]

I'm going in only with official information that was showcased so far

[harsh egret]

I think going in blind is good

Its how i played eternal and 2016 at least

[jolly relic]

I played etarnal completely blind just knowing that the music was good XD

[harsh egret]

Yeah lol

[jolly relic]

I swear the first cutscene gave me chills!!

[harsh egret]

Was a banger, heard the one for tda is even better

I havent seen much gameplay or anything really, just been listening to reviews and saw the trailers

And obv the previews but yh

[plain iron]

I've seen some parts

||the kreed sounds nice :>||

[harsh egret]

lol ye i heard about that xd

didnt go to look for anything myself tho

[frail bloom]

It'll be like this for doom games post doom 64
64 and 3 were so underappreciated until more recent years where ppl realized that they're good games
Good Doom games in my opinion

[plain iron]

I'll put it simply. And spoiler free. He sounds big.

[royal shale]

I’ve listened to some but I’ll make my own opinion once I play.

[delicate sequoia]

They are but dark ages is really better in much aspects than the other games

[frail bloom]

I'm just drawing connections
The whole "this isn't Doom" thing is synomynous

64 and 3 got that same crap thrown on them

[delicate sequoia]

It’s the most accesible game of the saga and the modern classic is something really good

As I say the verticality means nothing

The fast peace is needed but it doesn’t need turbo speed to be good

Dark ages is a DOOM game, it looks like a doom game and feels like a doom game

[frail bloom]

Plus, an 85 or above is basically accepted as a great game

I think tda has an 86

Based on the metacritic score

[delicate sequoia]

At this point this 85 means nothing for me is a solid 90

[frail bloom]

I haven't played it but here's to hoping

[delicate sequoia]

I’m just being so fanboy rn because every concept I’m obsessed with it’s in this game

[safe ice]

just 5 days left until it drops

[sleek ermine]

I have a question, would a 447 GB NVMe SSD work with TDA? Or is the minimum requirement 512

[frail bloom]

I know that this game is not gonna be better than eternal across the board in everything, my hopes is that it's equal, like how eternal is equal to 2016. They're all great with different strengths

[sleek ermine]

I have more than 100 GBs available

[cobalt fog]

2 if your in early access

[worldly lava]

WHOS READY FOR PEAK

[fleet spruce]

You're set, it meets the requirements

[robust carbon]

gang 5 days left gang

we about to witness peak gang

[cobalt fog]

The intro gives off 👑 vibes

[dusk robin]

3 for me (I got the collectors edition)

[sleek ermine]

Steamhappy

[robust carbon]

nice

[lament grove]

looking forward to seeing it, ive been wondering since the first trailer how they would top the eternal intro cuz that was actually peak as hell

[worldly lava]

When it comes out we could be looking at the best FPS Boomer Shooter trilogy of all time

[dusk robin]

looking forward to my heavy metal soundtrack that comes with a free medieveal game with mechs and dragons and an angry man

[cobalt fog]

You feel very scary I’ll say when you look at the surroundings and look at the music, you’ll love it

[worldly lava]

I saw what the slayers face looks like in the dark ages he looks like guts

[harsh egret]

lmfao, perfect

[velvet elbow]

Hey what time does the pre download drop?

[harsh egret]

in 11 hours from now

or in 2 days and 11 hours if u have standard edition

[lament grove]

this makes me so excited god

[velvet elbow]

Got it, so 8 for EST

[hard thistle]

Goon the dank ages

Goonguy/Goonslayer

[harsh egret]

00:00 utc yh

so probably

[velvet elbow]

Wait that’s 7 then

So about 10 hours

[winter idol]

Wat? Its in 2 days not today lmao

[worldly lava]

Guts and Doom Slayer === death

[velvet elbow]

I got the premium edition

[solemn meadow]

i hate that a lot of people can already play it so there are spoilers everywhere now

[winter idol]

Yes, the premium edition is in 2 days

[dusk robin]

Huge guts

[velvet elbow]

Yes I know but I pre-download it today

[winter idol]

Ok, thought you meant play

[velvet elbow]

All good

Already sacrificed RDR2 for some space

[toxic cloud]

Demon propaganda

[lean basalt]

when does pre downloading start for premium users on steam

[plain iron]

Same actually lmao

[velvet elbow]

I’d assume same time as the rest

7 pm EST

[lean basalt]

ok

[worldly lava]

I’m going to get the platinum trophy

[velvet elbow]

Same

[hard thistle]

Man too angy to die

[worldly lava]

Imagine a rules of nature like moment in the game

[grave cave]

I'm ready to DOOM

[hard thistle]

GOON

[velvet elbow]

I can’t hold it in man

[hollow sandal]

I see that some folks have the disc already. But they can't play it right? It won't let them?

[hard thistle]

My prediction was correct.

Difficulties really are just slider presets

[grave cave]

I know I've pre orderd the normal edition for $120 BUT DUDE IM SO DOWN TO BUY IT AGAIN FOR SPECIAL EDITION $150

I can't,, I'm holding back

[hard thistle]

We can edge for now until the release of DOOM TDA, then we can finally GOON

[cobalt fog]

It’s def not like eternals but imo better

[harsh egret]

[velvet elbow]

Bro ain’t no way you paid 120 for the STANDARD edition

[grave cave]

I did,, Australia dollars

[hard thistle]

Also, they changed 'I'm Too young to die' to 'Aspiring slayer'

When they said that it'll be less funny, they wer enot joking.

[grave cave]

FUCKING WORTH IT THOUGH

[dusk robin]

New Doom mod

[lament grove]

yeah ofc i dont expect it to be like eternals cuz that one was just pure aura farm but yh

[hollow sandal]

Would you happen to know if the people that got the discs can't play the game yet?

[velvet elbow]

This game is not mean to be Eternal 2. People need to have a firm grasp of that

[harsh egret]

nah, no clue. i just know some ps5 collectors edition owners could play or smth like that

[hard thistle]

Eternal wasn't even 2016 2 lol.

Like, 2016 and Eternal play vastly differently

[hollow sandal]

Got it thanks, I'm so desperate I was thinking of going to best buy and rizz the worker in to giving my copy early 😭

[grave cave]

Fight like hell!

[hard thistle]

I initially considered to go for Hurt Me Plenty but maybe I'll go for UV

[hollow sandal]

Can you change the sliders while playing on UN?

[velvet elbow]

I don’t care what presets are there EVERYTHING IS GOING TO MAX

[hard thistle]

I have a hunch, no

[hard thistle]

There'll inevitably challenge run videos of it, can't wait

[velvet elbow]

Actually that would be nice, let players have the permadeath but give them the experience they wanna play

[cobalt fog]

This one’s kinda that to but the music has a different fight, it gives a different vibe with a purpose

[hard thistle]

I am pro-player autonomy all day every day but you can also just permadeath by playing on the lowest difficulty and reset after a death

Also, pandemonium sandwiched inbetween nightmare and ultra-nightmare feels... odd.

I kinda miss I'm too young to die lol

[hollow sandal]

It will allow to play because you know who was uploading spoilers to youtube earlier this week!

I just realized

Or was it Last week, whichever

[velvet elbow]

I think I want a UN experience I can customize, no status with whatever skin we get cus there’s no multiplayer

[hard thistle]

Lore accurate doom

Lore accurate would be everything going to zero but I'm not gonna do that.

enemy damage to player can vary from 50 to 1000. That's huge

I just know people are gonna do max-stat runs similar to how people have done max-slider runs on oblivion

[hollow sandal]

I feel Like it wasn't earned if I can change UN to be easier.

But I mean it's good to allow it to be accessible I suppose

[frail bloom]

@plain iron So, I was watching the intro cutscene, and I came across smt weird
Here's what the beginning text says, ||In the age of fire and ruin, when the legions of Hell first set foot upon Argent D'nur, another came...an outsider his path to their world carved blood, for the demons could not escape his wrath."||
The way this is worded has me confused

[plain iron]

||basically it means "where ever this dude goes, there's death, because he actively hunts demons out." The outsider obviously is doomguy lol||

[harsh egret]

i was just about to click reveal spoiler but then i was like eeeeeh

[frail bloom]

Huh, it's just cuz if you take it literally, it would imply that ||the demons came before doomguy did||

[plain iron]

I'm just explaining the wording of something. Not lore breaking. But it you don't wanna see, understandable.

[harsh egret]

lol no worries

[weary current]

I’m avoiding spoilers too, dw

[vestal spoke]

I know someone has probably asked this already but will doom the dark ages support m&k on console since it's solo player only?

[sleek ermine]

What is m&k

[patent robin]

ik ive asked but just wanna check again

do we know if PC will get to preload?

[sleek ermine]

Yes

[patent robin]

what timeframe

[harsh egret]

48 hrs before

[hard thistle]

mouse and keyboard

[vestal spoke]

@sleek ermine mouse and keyboard

[harsh egret]

00:00 utc

[patent robin]

alr

[harsh egret]

so in like 10 hrs

[plain iron]

||Ehh maybe? That would imply that Samur removed the father's sphere a lot earlier than we previously thought, due to that's why the demons are there, bcs the maykrs made a deal w hell for argent, to prevent transfiguration and permanent death.||

[sleek ermine]

In 10 hours ish if Premium
In 2 days 10 if non premium

[patent robin]

sweet thank you, i make sure i got premium lol

[harsh egret]

cant wait to stare at my TDA desktop icon for 2 days

[patent robin]

😭

[frail bloom]

||But the khan mayker didn't know of their existence till doomguy mentioned them didn't he?||

[patent robin]

boutta be the most no life person on this game i swear

[plain iron]

||yes! It's. Gonna be odd. That's for sure.||

[languid idol]

my premium edition arrives today and the universe told me to be ready i guess, when i went to sleep last night my entire bottom half was nude......... MY BODY IS READY

[frail bloom]

Maybe I shouldn't take beginning text so seriously
Oh! ||I guess I could think of it as where the demons go, doomguy's always there to bop them, idk first second and I'm trying to rework the lore😭 🙏 ||

[plain iron]

YOU HAVE A POINT.

[frail bloom]

I DO?

awesome

[plain iron]

Also ||the new maykr we saw next to the chonkyr™️ doesn't have a special name. Just bishop kreed's assistant 💔||

[harsh egret]

reading this without revealing the spoilers is pretty funny

[weary current]

same, I’ve been avoiding spoilers and preparing myself for this moment

[weary current]

“Oh! [REDACTED]”

[frail bloom]

||Well he doesn't need a name, as long as he's cool and has some character||

[harsh egret]

BY THE WAY [REDACTED]

[plain iron]

||he's the guy who says launch the slayer lmao, interesting that he says that. He actually whispers to kreed as well 💀||

Like go you wild ass twink, go whisper to the fatman

[hard thistle]

I know this is stupid but itll be funny if someone modded the captain america shield in the game

[frail bloom]

||The maykers are also different looking. They're more metallic, and have yellow holographic arms. It's also strange cuz the mayker assistant has a halo like the mayker angel's in eternal, but they have a drone face. Either different maykers or they evolved, so not only do we get demons evolving, but maykers!||

[onyx fjord]

Maykr Drones already had yellow hologram tentacle arms to attack with

It was also pretty clear that the red parts under the cloak hide were metallic

[frail bloom]

They did?
Oop

[onyx fjord]

I'd say they're being more close to concept art at least, and I don't blame missing the metallic quality because of hardware and rendering stuff

[plain iron]

||he actually has a face similar to Samur. The orator ring seemingly means they're apart of the "religious" caste we see, same with the bishop kreed. That's actually how I guessed his first name lmao||

[plain iron]

||They were more like whips. These are actual limbs||

[frail bloom]

Oh ye! That's sick I forgot abt the similarities

[plain iron]

Also. I believe drones act like cats.

Headbutt for attention.

[onyx fjord]

It seems like they're implying that flesh can be generated in midair (over the course of their development)

[frail bloom]

Also also, ||the way they zone in on their control devices is so funny, they're locked in||

[plain iron]

||No no, these are energy based. Just. Solid, not like whips||

[plain iron]

||They're being studious!!! They're focusing!!||

[velvet elbow]

2 days 9 hours 14 minutes

[onyx fjord]

I mean yeah, they start with hologram limbs that are first basic and then more humanoid, but clearly get normal arms later

[frail bloom]

I tried posting an image of the lost soul but papa rico said no
They look much better that's what I'll say

[plain iron]

... they are machines. They can just. Pop them in

[onyx fjord]

So is the Transfiguration them becoming all flesh?

[plain iron]

Transfiguration is a deathstate. It's normal. Just not for a long period of time. They're supposed to die after.

[onyx fjord]

Then what tf was happening to Samur in TAG?

[sleek ermine]

He was nearly killed

[onyx fjord]

What is the process of them going from living machine to the flesh tentacle monster?

[plain iron]

That was transfiguration. But. Due to the fact the father's lifesphere was removed, thus breaking the life cycle of the maykrs, he cannot die and be reborn. He was... scared.

[onyx fjord]

I see

[plain iron]

Transfiguration is painful. They want to avoid it.

[onyx fjord]

They finally know what pain is at all, one could say

[plain iron]

And for someone like Samur, older than everything in the conceivable universe other than Davoth, dying might be scary.

Oh and he's kinda batshit.

[onyx fjord]

Maykrs seem obsessed with avoiding the realization of what they're doing to other "lesser" organic lifeforms

It makes far more sense that Samuel was always Samur than not

[plain iron]

I believe he was reborn as Samuel. Also, fun fact, samuel is over 130 years old, and saw everyone he loves, die.

[onyx fjord]

The fact he is a machine and Olivia is biomechanical demonstrates the Maykr/Demon relationship from the very first game in the new story

[dense sapphire]

man i am so exticed for doom dark ages

[onyx fjord]

Also the fact he knew the Crucible was a sword

Idk how anyone keeps insisting he was ever only a human

[dense sapphire]

can you pre download dark ages in steam

[frail bloom]

He didn't know he was the seraphim till he was plugged into the fortress of doom

But it was gradual when it came to him realizing it

[plain iron]

Olivia is a interesting character. A lot of people dismiss her as just. A batshit old woman. She is rather... relatable. She had severe pain, and just wanted a way to get rid of it.

[oak temple]

maul and kill

[onyx fjord]

You might be surprised to know this, but a lot of the characters in Doom lie to people/each other

[frail bloom]

Well no, this is a theory it's not said in game

Unless I'm forgetting smt

[plain iron]

No no. The theory we have is that as Samuel "upgraded" his form, he learnt more about himself. And once he was uploaded to native maykr tech, just like vega, remembered who he was. He just didn't say anything.

[onyx fjord]

They just don't explain that the giant flesh maykr in the purple goop in Urdak in the base campaign is the Samur that you fight in Urdak in TAG1

[plain iron]

Nawh. That's a past khan lmao

[cobalt cosmos]

random question, if i buy the premium edition upgrade for doom the dark ages on xbox while having gamepass does that give me the early access or do i have to buy the full game as well?

[onyx fjord]

Then where does Samur's maykr body come from?????

Did it come from Hugo's ass?

[frail bloom]

[plain iron]

It's transfiguration 😭 the metal of his body, transfigured into flesh.

[onyx fjord]

But where was it

[frail bloom]

Are you asking how maykers are born?

[onyx fjord]

The robot he developed as a human in the UAC is still on the fortress of doot

[frail bloom]

Lol

[frail bloom]

Oh that

[onyx fjord]

Man are you fr trying to act like I'm stupid because they showed environmental storytelling for a khan who is neither of the ones you fight in the game, leaving the location of Samur's original body wholly unaccounted for for the entirety of the plot?

[frail bloom]

I wasn't saying you were stupid I was just asking, no worries I want an answer too

[onyx fjord]

Do they just keep the body of every khan ever?

[plain iron]

That khan is dead.

[onyx fjord]

That part is obvious

I'm not dumb, I'm just wondering where Samur's body was the whole time

[frail bloom]

He was in the uac atlantica base I thought

[plain iron]

Oh. That was in the Atlantica base lmao

[frail bloom]

It's where we free him

[plain iron]

Deep under water.

Like squids should be.

[onyx fjord]

Ah okay

[frail bloom]

Ye we forgor at times

[mint raptor]

Anyone else seen the Hardware Unboxed video?
4080 Super goals from doing 170fps on 4K on Eternal to barely 60 on Dark Ages

[shut whale]

Do u think we will get yours for dark ages like numbskulls, Youtooz or something because the demons r amazing

[plain iron]

We already have some lmao

[shut whale]

@plain iron only the Slayer and Serrat

[plain iron]

Well that's more than nothing

[shut whale]

We should get demons I mean we got demons from eternal

[agile sonnet]

Ello

[queen shore]

fellow CE-waiting-people, I just got an update that it *should *be delivered Monday by EOD, that update happened Friday late in the evening, I'm in Toronto

[patent robin]

christ that worries me i have a 4060 and a 1440p monitor and i get 140 on eternal but ive been worried about my performance in tda

[normal vortex]

same

kinda worried

[patent robin]

i just want 60fps i dont even need more 😭

[normal vortex]

exactly. i just want a playable experience🙏 😭

[frail bloom]

What's both your set ups?

[patent robin]

cs like i run 140fps at 1440p ultra settings RT on in eternal

[patent robin]

ryzen 5 3400g, rtx 4060, 16gb of ram, installing TDA on my 2.5 SATA SSD

[normal vortex]

i gotta 4060 and an i5-12400f, 32 gb ddr5, and a 1440p 240hz display

[frail bloom]

So what's the issue
I'm not well versed in this stuff but it seems higher than recommended

[patent robin]

definitely a better PC than mine 😭

[frail bloom]

Just play on lower settings, forget about 4k

[patent robin]

i dont even need 4k

i just want 1440p because 1080p looks like butt on my monitor lol

[rare flax]

Guys, you worry if you will be able to play the game at 1440p 60fps ultra-settings with a 8vram. I'm worried if I will be able to even play the game in low settings, 1080p at 40fps with my low vram (6gb) 😦

[patent robin]

i definitely meet the GPU recommended but my CPU and RAM are both not at that recommended

[split saddle]

got my 16x2 ram 😛

[patent robin]

i have 8x2 and i wanna upgrade but i just spent money on the 4060 and whatnot

also i take back what i said, its NVMe required so ima use that

[sleek ermine]

You may need to change your CPU

[patent robin]

i dont think my CPU even meets minimum lmao

[pallid wing]

Omg I am so excited

Can I walk into GameStop on Monday and pick up a premium edition?

[oak temple]

Got my game added to Steam library

[patent robin]

hell yeah

honestly im not gonna worry too much about specs, ive watched a couple of spoilers free reviews and people are saying the game is insanely optimized just like i had expected

[frail bloom]

Most optimized ray traced game anyways

[patent robin]

DLSS will probably help a ton too

[sonic turret]

Mine will be delivered on the 15th, although I'll be going to a festival so won't be playing much.

[frail bloom]

Mayo got 140 fps

[patent robin]

1440p ultra

thats the video im watching rn

[mild loom]

and mfg

[sturdy stream]

Saw that my 3060 Ti can only do 60 fps on 1080p medium, i'm playing on a 144Hz monitor so.. yeah,,, that's not exactly a playable framerate for me

[sonic turret]

I found Gmanlives TDA review to be slightly disappointing, so it's not worth me cancelling the festival to play TDA.

[patent robin]

i dont even wanna watch many of the reviews because im tryna have my own opinion, i honestly only watched like two just to see performance

[sturdy stream]

here i was thinking a 3060 Ti could survive another 3 or so years 💔

heard some stuff about mods that remove ray tracing? apparently the indiana jones game has something like that, MAYBE dark ages could have the same later on, and maybe the performance won't be THAT BAD once it actually comes out.. i'll just give it a few days, won't hurt

[sonic turret]

Oh I'll have plenty of opinions, I'm just glad I saw the review so that I wouldn't cancel the festival and lose all of the memories that I'll acquire.

[patent robin]

from what i heard RT is helping with hitreg, i don know how true that is but yk

[split saddle]

even if you weren't dissappointed, still dont cancel a festival wtf 😭

[sturdy stream]

i meannnn,,, idk how RT could ever help with hitreg

[sturdy stream]

festivals come around once in a blue moon, dark ages will be here at all times

[patent robin]

sorry not hitreg but the bullets are "raytraced" which helps with detection of shots or something

[mild loom]

the cpu matters too

[mild loom]

more accurate

[sturdy stream]

well it's not exactly great, but i'm running a 5 5600

it's not BAD but it can definitely struggle at times

[mild loom]

your missing 2 cores

thats why

[split saddle]

gulp

[patent robin]

im missing 4 cores 💀

[mild loom]

god damn

[sturdy stream]

just checked up on that, even minimum requirements are 8 cores

[mild loom]

4 core cpu

[patent robin]

ryzen 5 3400g, 4 core 8 thread

[mild loom]

yep, 5600 is 6 core, did you run the game yourself?

[patent robin]

ive been running almost every game recently at 60+ FPS on max settings though even without DLSS

[harsh egret]

it time for u to upgrade soon bois

[patent robin]

i just got a 4060 and a new PSU and monitor aint no way i can afford a CPU upgrade rn 😭

[sturdy stream]

had to live with an i3-8100 for like 6 years, i feel your pain IMMENSELY

[patent robin]

nah my PC is tanking most games though even with the 4 core CPU

[grave cave]

How do U get the shield saw on your pfp?

[plain iron]

You won't be able to remove raytracing with out breaking the game.

[sturdy stream]

Nope, didn't play anything myself so far, the only source for anything i've seen as of yet is hardware unboxed so.. i'll give it a couple days and see what other people have to say

[rain sentinel]

i got the collectors bundle today and my big fat question is do you get the steam key for the game with the physical delivery, or is it a code sent to email? I got the code for DLC but not the main game on email so im wondering if smth went wrong

[mild loom]

ah okay, did they use a 5600 too?

[sturdy stream]

which sounds VERY REASONABLE as the game defo isn't made WITHOUT ray tracing in mind

[sturdy stream]

yeah uhmmmm that's where the problem might be LOL, i'll check up on what they used in their test

[plain iron]

Lemme find the exact interview explaining why rq

[sturdy stream]

thanks!!

[grave cave]

How did U guys get the shield saw on your pfp? Looks wicked

[plain iron]

It's a quest. Mildly broken.

[patent robin]

its a discord quest but i cant find the quests tab lmao

[rain sentinel]

please help...

[sturdy stream]

The test bench had a 9800X3D so... far above my league

[split saddle]

idk bro

[plain iron]

It should be there. Does the collectors edition have a physical disk or nah? The physical disk should have the code iirc

[split saddle]

9800X3D 😭

[sturdy stream]

@grave cave

[grave cave]

Oh thanks!

[sturdy stream]

np mate

[mild loom]

hmmm

[rain sentinel]

i got the steam digital code version, but when i went to redeem the one i got in my email it said i needed the base game

[mild loom]

might bea native test

[plain iron]

Hmm. Odd.

[mild loom]

with dlss perf you should be fine

[plain iron]

Maybe reach out to steam support? They might be able to do smthn

[patent robin]

im gonna wing it and see what happens and hope that its atleast gonna run 60 fps

[lament grove]

the physical code should have been the premium edition thats really weird

[mossy flicker]

648 p is wild for this game on series s

[sturdy stream]

yeah it was, DLSS should do fine-ish, don't think it'd hamper the game too hard

[rain sentinel]

physical code as in given with the actual statue and etc?

[lament grove]

yeah, in the case on the thin cardboard disc

[rain sentinel]

okay cool then, thanks

[patent robin]

it said the 4060 got 40 FPS on ultra 1440P 😭

then again im not looking to play ultra i just need 1440p bc of my monitor

[grave cave]

damn. not eligible

[mossy flicker]

Is it 4060 a super poweful gpu?

[sturdy stream]

I need around 120FPS for the game to feel smooth while playing it, cuz i have a 144Hz monitor

[patent robin]

the 4060 isnt the top of the line but its not a bad GPU either

[sturdy stream]

i love a smoother screen but my god is it so performance heavy at times

[patent robin]

i have a 144hz monitor too but ive been playing 60hz on most games my entire life so i can deal w it lowkey

[sturdy stream]

Heard someone earlier say it's a bit buggy so... might be why

[split saddle]

i got it 😛

[grave cave]

ahhh bummer, hope it gets fixed soon, it looks so cool

[onyx fjord]

Hitscan evolved 🔥 🔥 🔥

[patent robin]

holy shit hardware unboxed got 200FPS on a 5060ti with 1400p, DLSS, multiframe generation and medium graphics

[dark thunder]

Why must forced ray tracing be a thing

[patent robin]

i just dont understand where optimization goes in modern gaming, theyre trying so hard to be graphically perfect that the performance is just so bad for 90% of the players

[mild loom]

increases bullet accuracy

less bullshit when it comes to hitboxes

[wind dew]

My collectors edition is 48 minutes away. I wonder if I can drive over to where they are keeping it and ask if I can have it

[sturdy stream]

i find 90 FPS to be playable and 120+ to be smooth

[patent robin]

thats why ill either lock my monitor to 60 or 120 whenever i play so theres no screen tearing or anything

im gonna be so real i used to play on a 1050ti, im so used to games running at like 30 FPS lmao

[sturdy stream]

i'm sure that everyone has a different experience with it but yah.. that's mine

[fossil badger]

So, that one will not run

[sturdy stream]

60 FPS was totally ruined for me the second i got a 144Hz monitor

when i first tried 144Hz i had to go back to 60Hz and it took me like a week to readjust 💔

[patent robin]

i went from a 144 to a 60 and now im back on a 144

honestly cant wait to get home from work later and preload this game lmao

[plain iron]

I'd be the same IF MY FUCKING TV DIDNT JUST COOK ITSELF.

[sturdy stream]

steady frametimes by definition essentially

[patent robin]

thats how i am, if my frames are consistent im chill

[sturdy stream]

but i'm just going off of what i perceive as smooth motion

90 is fine, 120 and above is good, that's my experience with ti

[sturdy stream]

meant to respond to the thing below,,,

[normal vortex]

2 days

[dark thunder]

Not much difference with a 5060 TI vs 4060 ti

Need 2 get 3080

[sturdy stream]

oh if only nvidia made good gpus... if only..

and i was complaining about the 40 series not being a big enough jump

[patent robin]

that and if only games just put more time into optimizing

[sturdy stream]

this is just sad man 💔

[patent robin]

the 50 series rollout was awful 😭

[sturdy stream]

well the 50 series COULD be good

the problem is that a 5080 is HALF of what a 5090 is

and obviously anything below a 5080 has to be weaker than a 5080, so that's why EVERYTHING that isn't a 5080 suffers so bad

[patent robin]

"5060ti has 4090 performance"

[sturdy stream]

the 5080 suffers because of the same thing as well, it could be like... 75% of a 5090

but no, it's 50%.

they CHOSE to make this generation so bad

it's not like they were limited by anything

well the answer to anything and everything is more cash obviously, that's why they did it, but it still sucks man

[mild loom]

which is almost what 4080 and a 4090 is

a 4090 gets about 40% more fps on average

[sturdy stream]

i don't think it's ever been this bad though? i can defo check up on that just to make sure, but it's WAY worse than previous gens

[dark thunder]

Intel gpus will be cracked in the future

[rocky parrot]

🤥

[dark thunder]

B580 is as powerful as a 4060 but doesn’t support vr

[sturdy stream]

both nvidia and AMD are lightyears ahead of intel as of rn in terms of software

hence why nobody wants to buy them even tho they can compete performance wise

[stray matrix]

i hope this game has mod support day 1 and that there will be a mod to remove the bad forced on global illumination raytracing...

after seeing the initial tests i will most likely not touch the game till this gets patched to be optional or moded to be removable i am not playing a doom game at 110fps lol

[sturdy stream]

to this day i WISH we got official mod support for doom eternal

the fact we got it last year is amazing and definitely better late than never, but man imagine what could've been if it released alongside the game, or maybe once both DLCs were out

[sturdy stream]

Unfortunately it's lookin about the same for me, i'm just not playing doom at about 60FPS or worse, simply not a smooth experience for me

[stray matrix]

the worst part is.. that games will jsut follow and this is the most aggresive way of hardware recycle to happen.. it started with indiana jones now doom, i guess all nvidia partner games will be automatically launch with forced on raytracing.. fastest way to get people off from decent older gen HW... just a matter of time when path tracing becomes mandatory to use on lowest setting preset....

[stray matrix]

i am used to high refresh rate as i run 360hz screen.. eternal was buttery smooth with fantastic input latency.. this will just feel terrible to play

[sturdy stream]

I think it'd be a good thing in theory if maybe.. up to 4 year old hardware could run ray tracing enabled with good framerate? but that's just not the case

i mean i bought a 3060 Ti 3 years ago expecting it to last a while like my old 1060 did, but that's just not the case

[sturdy stream]

I understand the higher standards coming from you then, i'd say 110 FPS is on the border of really good for me, but i can only guess that once you try 360Hz once it's hard to go back

[mild loom]

correct, they are VERY new in the gpu market, their drivers are even worse than amd's and nvidias 50 series

[mild loom]

word of advice, go for higher vram to set yourself up for the resolution you intend to stick to

1080p? go for 12 GB cards to future proof, 4k? 24 GB cards in case of future AAA

[sturdy stream]

and people are reluctant to buy cause of that, i mean hell people are already doing this with AMD. There's so many people who will tell you to "Go AMD" while they themselves are rockin an Nvidia gpu

[sturdy stream]

Well uhhh... that was exactly the problem at the time, no game was pushing VRAM that hard when i was buying that card, and 8GB cards seemed like they'd be the standard for a while still

[mild loom]

"monkey see monkey do" they follow tech youtubers and follow trends, and they hate when someone disagrees with them. They get bullied by the community around them

[sturdy stream]

and then a few months later RE4 remake came out and started pushing 12GB on 1080p, then TLOU1 remake on PC and yeah...

[mild loom]

yeahhh, exactly, thats why in the future you should probably go 12gb if your rockin 1080p still

[sturdy stream]

It'll be a while but i'd REALLY love to go for 1440p 144Hz (or 165Hz, just depends what'll be available at the time)

and i'm DEFINITELY going for something that has 16GB minimum

don't wanna undershoot it this time

[sturdy stream]

I mean hey, i'll tell you straight up i would've gotten a much better deal back then if i went AMD as well but oh well... 3 year older me learnt something from it at least

[spiral cypress]

whats a redemption code?

[harsh egret]

use it on steam

i think we all got the preorder code on email rn right

[stray matrix]

the problem is.. i dont pay for premium high-end hardware to then play on 110fps at low settings... thats what pisses me off

[harsh egret]

cuz i got it as well

[spiral cypress]

i did

[mild loom]

people dont seem to realise that amd does have a lot of structural issues, yes it doesnt impact everybody, yes on paper its "fine" but ive repaired and sent off gpus. and I know cheap quality when i see it. But thats fine, its cheaper. in my opinion id always go nvidia, buy once cry once.

[spiral cypress]

is that code for game itself?

[stray matrix]

and with the direction games are going... optimization is lazy now they force raytracing and all games will be soon dependent on upscalers + fake AI frame gen..

[mild loom]

oh yeah, dude if you go 1440p definitely go oled, its the future of gaming tech

[hard thistle]

raytracing should be banned just preredner the lighting ffs

lazy devs

[harsh egret]

nah, u activate it on steam, top left u go "games" and then "activate a product"

[mild loom]

dawg you had 6 years of gpus to switch to ray tracing 😭

[harsh egret]

but yeah its the preorder bonus skin

[mild loom]

chapstick

[stray matrix]

remember back then when lightning was good without raytracing? (wolfenstein 2 new colossus prime example)

[hard thistle]

i prefer running games with ai upscaling

[mild loom]

the ray tracing isnt for the lighting btw, its for the bullet mechanics

[spiral cypress]

it says first active original game?

[hard thistle]

without *

[harsh egret]

well do u have the game?

[mild loom]

can you notice the difference?

[harsh egret]

activated

[hard thistle]

even rtx 4090 struggle with raytracing its inefficient i want games to run good

[mild loom]

the transformer model is amazing

[spiral cypress]

wym

[hard thistle]

yeah bad ghosting

msaa is much cleaner image

[mild loom]

oof, 20 series card?

[hard thistle]

amd

[harsh egret]

sounds like u didnt activate the code for the game itself, or?

[stray matrix]

i would never play an FPS game with AI upscale.. it just ruins latency adds tons of input lag and game feels worse to play

[mild loom]

why are you surprised lmao, amd upscaling is ass

FSR is really buns

[spiral cypress]

my collectors edition still didnt arrive so ig no?

[frail bloom]

I'm confused, both trav, mayo and tyler mcvicker had 140 fps with DLSS isn't that good?

[hard thistle]

its not a benefit for the gamer it just takes a job away from developers

[harsh egret]

ah, well thats why i guess, u have to do it after

[sturdy stream]

OH YEAH I AGREE, i feel you on that one real hard. I'm running a mid-end rig, probably a lower mid-range as of today and i don't have TOO MUCH to complain about but man... i really do think i could still squeeze more out of this if games weren't as badly optimized as they are nowadays

[hard thistle]

nvidia is anti consumer

[mild loom]

hes not using DLSS, hes using FSR, DLSS's weird cousin

[spiral cypress]

ah ok tysm

[mild loom]

you mean theyre more expensive?

[harsh egret]

dlss's shit cousin

[mild loom]

legit, ive used FSR, hated it

[hard thistle]

no proprietary technolgies shit should be open source

[harsh egret]

horrid

[sturdy stream]

Good point as well, if you have the money then you can go for it, but yeah... it HURTS.

[stray matrix]

FSR 4 is good, will just take time till it gets impleemented to a lot of games but FSR 4 is basically on par with DLSS

[mild loom]

i would take good upscaling thats not open source compared to shit upscaling that is open source

[hard thistle]

why are you all glazing nvidia hahah they relased a card with 8 gb vram recently hahahha

[mild loom]

its pretty good but its only on one gpu

[mild loom]

because i spend more than 400 dollars on a gpu

[hard thistle]

anti consumer poor value paving the way for smeary fake frames ai upscaing etc....

i have 16gb of vram lil bro what are you on about

[sturdy stream]

I'm actually doing an internship at a local karting place right now, and they have sim rigs and one of the rigs has an OLED UWD monitor and my god that thing is a BEAUTYYYY. By the time i'll be upgrading, i'll SERIOUSLY consider an oled cuz my god. it's INSANE how good that screen is

[dapper palm]

I haven't had any problems with my AMD gpu.

[hard thistle]

amd makes high end stuff too wtf are you on about

[mild loom]

wtf? 😭

[spiral cypress]

what does the code do tho?

[harsh egret]

amd will always be behind, dont care what u say, lmao. u either know ur facts or ur delusional

[mild loom]

oh yeah dude, oled is a complete game changer

[hard thistle]

this is deadly convo just brand loyalty

[harsh egret]

i think its just the preorder void slayer skin

[stray matrix]

entire GPU situation is just bad... if you look at the true improvements there arent any... try to play native res without relying on upscale + fake frames + latency reduction bs etc....

[spiral cypress]

oh my

[hard thistle]

waffle

[stray matrix]

and you will get a blazing 20fps experience with 5090 without frame gen.. ye "raytracing ready boys lets hard force into every game"

[hard thistle]

not goona waste time fighting corporate shills but ALL TOGETHER ray tracing bad

get rid of it hahaha

[harsh egret]

u joined the server today, talking about things u have no idea about. LOL

[frail bloom]

Where is the 20 fps thing from

[mild loom]

if you go for Asus or Sapphire Nitro + gpus yes, otherwise no, they dont use MLCC's and their traces are very poorly built, they use overbuilt polycaps to make up for the increased voltage from the interconnect, the 9070xt does a better job at this but anything else really is just ass

[stray matrix]

for gaming terrible.. for other areas like content creation and movies its a fantastic tech

[frail bloom]

I never heard of anyone getting 20-40 fps unless they're under the requirememts

[hard thistle]

yep nvidia wasnt setting gpu power cables ablaze a few months bcak hahah

[mild loom]

"I want things cheap, nvidia doesnt give me things cheap, therefore i hate all nvidia"

[hard thistle]

u claerly have ur biases and thats fine i will never be able to change ur mind

[mild loom]

that happened with the 4090 too initially, dont hear anyone bitching bout it now

[hard thistle]

i dont care but objectify an anti consumer company

[mild loom]

how so?

[hard thistle]

and people like u are making the wholoe hardware sphere worse

supporting these practicses

[harsh egret]

ah yes, amd is cheaper and is worse image quality!! yippie!!

[mild loom]

yes

[stray matrix]

AMD has a decent GPU now on the market as 9070xt is a good high end product.. so sad retailers cant really offer at MSRP otherwise if it was truly for 600usd its a nobrained best value on the market imo

[hard thistle]

why do you both keep saying these

[stray matrix]

i got mine for 650€ so happy about it

[dapper palm]

Well I'm not gonma change my gpu for a game when my gpu meets the requirements. Sure I'll probably buy an Nvidia gpu once my AMD doesn't work anymore.

[hard thistle]

amd is out performning nvidia cards in this new doom game

[mild loom]

the whole level is scary...the dev made a good job and giving an eerie feel

[hard thistle]

ye get no vram in ur PREMIUM CARDS

[mild loom]

5070 ti has 16 gb and the 5080 is getting a 24 gb variant

[hard thistle]

just goona ignore ye from now on corporotate drones is all ye are

[harsh egret]

why do u keep asking? its because its literally true? what the fk do i gain from shilling nvidia? nvidia can be considered evil and shit and all u want, but amd is just not better at all lmfao

[mild loom]

hmm?

[stray matrix]

people saying AMD has worse image quality live in a different delusion universe lol... it was an issue back in 2005 due to lack of physx lol

[hard thistle]

corporate drones slurping up the shit nvidia gives u

[hard thistle]

nah its crazy hahaha digital video is digital vidoe hahah

[onyx fjord]

I really wanna play that

[hard thistle]

prob just kiddies

[harsh egret]

guys. u heard it. we are nvidia shills. its over.

[mild loom]

AMd's fsr specifically, image quality is purely a monitor + game dev thing nothign to do with the gpu itself

[harsh egret]

guess ill go fuck myself

[mild loom]

its so over

[hard thistle]

do you not think ur inablity to engage with what im saying says otherwise

[tender nacelle]

The email code that I assume everyone with preorder got is it for the game or the preorder skin ? Cause my collector's edition arrives on 14th and idk what the email is

[stray matrix]

right, fsr up to fsr 4 is underwhelming

[weary current]

huh

[onyx fjord]

Caleb was like Max Payne way before those games ever existed

[frail bloom]

I'm confused, I've heard really good things idk where the 20-40 fps thing is coming from

[stray matrix]

but still i play games to play at native not to rely on upscalers...

[hard thistle]

we shouldnt be relying on ai upscaling for good performance at all

[stray matrix]

the only good thing about FSR/ DLSS is the Native AA and DLAA options....

[harsh egret]

i didnt catch that so idk actually xd

[mild loom]

yeah, the 9070xt is the only amd gpu ive seen with GOOD upscaling, its a legit good gpu and improved on the faults of RDNA 3, its gross predecessor

[weary current]

what is going on with nvidia, is this an id/bethesda thing, cause i'm kinda nervous now

[hard thistle]

games should run good native 1440p at the very least

[wintry crypt]

Does anyone know when we will be able to pre-load TDA on Steam if you own the premium edition?

[hard thistle]

we have much faster systems now

[stray matrix]

i owned 7900xt and i couldnt complain.. fantastic card tbh

[hard thistle]

but we have regressed

[mild loom]

on the uh, 40 and 50 series cards, a transformer model for DLSS upscaling was introduced a few months ago, makes the upsacling almost unnoticable, which im really happy with

[sturdy stream]

The price of nvidia GPUs wouldn't be that much of a problem imo if they had the right specs, it's also much worse for someone upgrading from a 30 and ESPECIALLY 40 series GPU to a 50 series, because the extra performance for the money is just terrible if you compare it

[onyx fjord]

AI frame gen is largely about pretending that the GPUs can run at a much higher framerate by creating the appearance of extra frames, I think, idk fully

[mild loom]

thats good! im happy your gpu is still running fine, its just something i dont typically reccomend because of how many ive had come in for repairs and the damage ive seen...and it wasnt the buyer's faults

[stray matrix]

good part is taht DLAA/Native AA is actually overwriting the terrible TAA implemented by game itself making the image better than native

[mild loom]

if nvidia is anti consumer, so is amd

[sturdy stream]

If you'd be building a new computer altogether, maybe if you didn't own one before, the prices wouldn't hurt NEARLY AS HARD

[weary current]

still gotta take out a good chunk of Hell's numbers either way

[mild loom]

jesus, thats right, TAA and MSAA look so shit compared to DLSS and FSR native

honestly one of my favorite gpus, especially the 12GB variant, gods gift to editors

[winter hare]

is this game real

[mild loom]

no bro, wake up

i swear, goated gpu, absolutley

[harsh egret]

amd is behind nvidia every time yet somehow "amd is better". i think its fine shitting on nvidia for various reasons but its the best we have and its really not even that bad, imo.

[sturdy stream]

Cyberpunk looks crazy bad at native, pretty sure it forces TAA and with DLSS transformer enabled? ALL OF THAT BLUR goes away, the game looks so sharp it's CRAZY

[mild loom]

i owned one, one of my favorite pieces of tech

[frail bloom]

I mean I'm fine with 60 fps on the playstation

[mild loom]

i SWEAR, dude, ive been playing cyberpunk on HDR with a reshade mod from RenoDX for the HDR, it is the prettiest game i own. period.

[winter hare]

lots of people shit on the 3060 tho

[sturdy stream]

from what i know AMD is also really bad at emulating, i know nothing about emulating itself but apprently it's FILLED with AMD exclusive fixes because those cards just don't do well with or something? i'd have to explore that topic a bit deeper tho

[mild loom]

i think its fine that amd exists, actually i LIKE AMD, it gives budget users an option, but in terms of quality, no id chose nvidia every time

[sturdy stream]

Haven't played around with shaders on that game, might give it a try tho!! still gotta complete a few things in phantom liberty and all the endings for the base game and then i'm done, could be a nice way of spicing it up before i finish

[reef ocean]

I wish devs didn't depend on DLSS and FSR so much. I feel like those technologies are there to mask bad optimizations. Ray tracing kinda triggered the dependence on DLSS and FSR as well.

[mild loom]

mainly VR, because RDNA 3 has a lot of latency between the cores, chiplet design is rancid on a gpu

[weary current]

all i know about this tech gibberish, is that ID Tech is pretty fucking goated when it comes to engines, but i'm not sure if that's the same here

[mild loom]

dude i swear, try this out, its not even a mod, and it makes a huge difference

[sturdy stream]

got that noted

[reef ocean]

I think DLSS and FSR have came a long ways though. The current versions are not bad, but still not great.

[mild loom]

because they like the 6750xt more because it gives more rasterization fps, which is fine, but it lacks features, the FSR is pretty bad and it cant ray trace for shit

RDNA 2: Sturdy but not many features
RDNA 3: Some features but instable as shit
RDNA 4: balanced so far

[sturdy stream]

pretty sure that RX 7000 series and below are INSANELY bad at ray tracing

[winter otter]

anyone know if the deluxe edition physical is going to be sold in stores? The PS5 preorders are all sold out

[mild loom]

ive heard it is

[mild loom]

compared to nvidia, yeah absolutely lmwo

[sturdy stream]

compared to them, yeah

[mild loom]

the current transformer model of DLSS is near perfect rn

[weary current]

oh sweet, so i get to have my game be smooth asf while i'm bashing in a bunch of demons, aight

[mild loom]

i can barely notice artifacting

[reef ocean]

I'll be honest, I'm not too up-to-date with FSR though. DLSS is at least progressing decently. DLSS 4.0 has been good actually.

[mild loom]

what cpu and gpu do you have?

[sturdy stream]

gotta vouch on that, i've used it in a few games and it's amazing man... especially playing on a 1080p display, the benefits are incredible

[mild loom]

100%

[weary current]

i don't play on PC, i'm playing on ps5, but i am considering trying out the PC verison at some point

[flint ocean]

So preloading starts tomorrow?

[mild loom]

oh yeah dawg, if the nvidia app wasnt so shit id be forcing a transformer model on all my games

[flint ocean]

That announcement post felt difficult to read

[mild loom]

ohh, on ps5 its gonna be smooth tho

[mild loom]

yup

[frail bloom]

I'm on the ps5, I'm just confused did smt bad happen

[flint ocean]

As we move closer to Monday I get more and more nervous about my specs being below the recommended minimum

[reef ocean]

Does PS5 use AMD or NVIDIA chip?

[mild loom]

AMD

[sturdy stream]

consoles use AMD everything from what i know

[mild loom]

what specs?

[winter hare]

fair, i have a 6950xt, brand new but something is getting effed up in there as of late and apparently its not just me

[mild loom]

no nothign happened, just between an emotional AMD fanboy and normal human beings

[reef ocean]

ah okay, interesting.

[mild loom]

are your drivers up to date?

[flint ocean]

I have 6 GB vram in my GPU and the recommended minimum is 8 GB

[mild loom]

yeah okay that might be a problem

[reef ocean]

What resolution though?

[flint ocean]

ITS A 2 year old mediocre gaming laptop

[frail bloom]

I thought the game was poorly optimized I was worried that ppl won't have a good experience like what they were promised

[weary current]

figures, doom on consoles is usually very fucking goated

[slender night]

3DO DOOM 🔥

[frail bloom]

So many ppl came in here and were cleary upset

[reef ocean]

Is it 8GB for 1440p? Because you can probably play at 1080p with 6GB if so.

[mild loom]

no, its not poorly optimized, people cry about that shit like doom eternal didnt have the same requirement standard at the time, they just have very small foresight

[winter hare]

thats the thing, i suspected it was an issue with the latest drivers, i was up to date, downgraded to the latest stable version i was running before the issues but weird stuff is still happening like random shutdowns when alt tabbing and like screen tearing in half

[mild loom]

how are your temps?

[frail bloom]

Alr then

[flint ocean]

How’s the resolution thing formatted cause I feel like 1080 is part of my laptops resolution thing but I don’t remember for sure

[sturdy stream]

This is actually a really good point, ARK Ascended released like.. a year ago or so? and the game runs as bad as the ORIGINAL ARK did back in 2015 on hardware from that time

so is the performance on that game horrible? YES. but were people experiencing the same back when ARK in 2015 released? also yes

This is a problem that will only get fixed by time, nothing else

[mild loom]

oh yeah lmao, its called recency bias, eternal is a 5 year old game that ran at 60 fps on low settings for low end hardware at the time, exact same scenario here

[sturdy stream]

...or buying a much better GPU

[mild loom]

yup

[mild loom]

settings -> display

[sturdy stream]

I played that game on a 1060 3GB for it's entire life-cycle and it looked like ass and played on like 80 FPS at 1080p medium

BUT IT WAS PLAYABLE

And i think the same will go for the dark ages, it'll be fine, and with time it'll only get better

[frail bloom]

I mean I can notice the difference between 60 fps and 120 but they're perfectly playable
I'm on console idk

[winter hare]

ran a 2 minute stress test, it peaks at 80C but in game it gets well over 90

[reef ocean]

worse case scenario, you can play at 720p on your laptop screen.

[flint ocean]

My laptop says it has 7.9 GB vram but that’s if it uses from both the nvidia gpu Nd the intel driver, which could be problematic. I should see if I’ve played any other games with similar requirements tho I doubt it cause I haven’t played anything released this year

[reef ocean]

I think 1080p low requires 8GB of vram.

But maybe if 720p is supported, you can run it at 6GB

[mild loom]

yep, and it still is, the 2060 and 6600 are like 200 or 300 dollar gpus

THESE CARDS ARE OVER 5 YEARS OLD

[next oar]

anyone know if theres a photo-mode?

[frail bloom]

The real questions

[reef ocean]

I played Doom Eternal on low settings with a 2060 for the longest time. Played smooth and great. Then I got a 3090 and my mind got blown moving to max settings.

[sturdy stream]

I understand why people are mad about the ray tracing thing, I CAN'T LIE I DID AND... DO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT TILL NOW, but at the same time i think this is needed, ray tracing being forced COUDL be a good thing in the future once GPUs get much better at ray tracing, i mean you'd have much prettier games with hardware that can support it without issue

i mean we are looking a couple of years into the future here, but i don't think it's ALL bad

[harsh egret]

yh im pretty curious too

[next oar]

ive only seen the trailers for the game and their own gameplay previews, the landscapes look insane just from those

[sturdy stream]

Right now it's pretty bad for older hardware, but this could be a nice thing

[next oar]

would love to get some good screenshots

[remote sigil]

I'm hoping there's a classic DoomGuy costume or something

[sturdy stream]

My mind still refuses to believe that i have 2019-2020 components in this thing but yeah... reality hurts, this is 5 year old hardware

[frail bloom]

I think the best thing to do is wait. I hate saying this, but we don't have to buy the game at launch, there's absolutely nothing wrong with waiting for a sale or smt
For me personally I need to rip and tear as soon as possible

[mild loom]

the requirement is 6 years old lmao, the 2060 super is a 6 year old gpu, i really dont get the anger, like, they havent upgraded their gpus for over half a decade why the hate

[mossy juniper]

finishing move uploaded a new short

[merry sapphire]

raytracing also saves like Tons of development time like crazy

[mossy juniper]

goes so damn hard

[mossy juniper]

this

[vapid lodge]

i got the code on EMAIL @mystic patrol

HOW ????

[harsh egret]

holy fuck it bangs alright

[mossy juniper]

early review code?

[sturdy stream]

And that's exactly what i'm gonna do, is it a shame? yeah... but will i live? absolutely. There's so many games to play in one life-time, you'll always find something new to try

[merry sapphire]

its one of the reasons (including the removal of multiplayer ofcourse) that we have 22 whole levels

[harsh egret]

its not for the game, sorry to dissapoint

[vapid lodge]

No no, game code

[mossy juniper]

ah

[harsh egret]

we all got it, preorder bonus

[vapid lodge]

it says it is?

[harsh egret]

its the void slayer skin

thats it

[vapid lodge]

oh no :((((

[sturdy stream]

I UNDERSTAND the anger, but it's obviously a bit harder to explain things to people that refuse to listen to someone with an opposing opinion yknow...

[merry sapphire]

wait what is this premium edition stuff or collector edition stuff

[harsh egret]

and u have to redeem it after u have the game

[mystic patrol]

Thats not a game code

[sturdy stream]

^^^^ this

[mystic patrol]

Its a preorder bonus code

I cannot activate it

[harsh egret]

afaik both

[mild loom]

yeah, we had that white knight "nvidia is anti consumer" hero of the people genius in here earlier, its full of those people

[harsh egret]

yh u need game first

[mossy juniper]

Exactly, people are losing their shit, and won't listen to any opposing reasoning

[vapid lodge]

aw man ffs

[wintry crypt]

It definitely does... To the detriment of the player depending on how well its implemented/optimized. Thankfully, RTX optimization is improving on some games but most of them can cut your FPS in half without upscaling

[mossy juniper]

Ray tracing is really important on development side, a lot of gamers are uninformed

[sturdy stream]

I mean yeah... i don't like a thing nvidia does here or there, and people are right to be mad about it, but it's not like it's ABSOLUTELY CATASTROPHIC

[mild loom]

yeah, but so does every company, amd does too, why dont they cry about that

[sturdy stream]

Remember how disappointed people were with DLSS when that first came out? look at how well that's doing now, these features NEED TO BE SUPPORTED, and once they get good my god will people be glad time and effort was spent on perfecting them

[harsh egret]

i think most people just go around thinking "ah rt? nah, cyberpunk looked nice without it i dont need it. whAAAtt? doom requires it?? but whyYY??"

[wintry crypt]

I don't doubt that but again, it is to the detriment of the player when it's not implemented well

[mossy juniper]

This kind of freak out happens with every major advancement

people used to hate on physx

lol

[mystic patrol]

I love how back then, doom eternal required 2016 entry level gpus for minimum requirement, and that gear was 4 year old at that time. And now it needs 7 year old gpus as min req (2060 super).

[vapid lodge]

goddamn it i really thought it was the game man, I can wait for collectors but not for the game

[mild loom]

im gonna just say it, multi framegen is buggy now but by the time the 70 series of gpus comes out its gonna be a staple, its gonna be the new DLSS

[sturdy stream]

LITERALLY THIS

[harsh egret]

yeah really sorry to dissapoint man 😭

[mossy juniper]

For those who don't know, Ray Tracing means, far less baking, extremely fast iteration with map development, better art direction on level design, more creative control

[grim cloud]

so is it true you can use sliders on Ultra Nightmare? THat needs to be fixed

[vapid lodge]

it says digital content, you sure its not the game?

[mystic patrol]

Its not

[harsh egret]

yes

[mystic patrol]

It asks me to activate the game first

[vapid lodge]

oh well

freaking UPS

[mossy juniper]

I'm happy to see id as usual, pushing the envelope for game rendering. This is not unusual of them

[sturdy stream]

I'm gonna be hella fr, i used framegen (a modded version of it) on cyberpunk and apart from causing a few visual bugs and input latency? it felt really really nice. if those 2 issues can be minimized as much as possible, framegen could be amazing

[mossy juniper]

For me I love MFG in Cyberpunk with Path Tracing

[vapid lodge]

framegen is the worst

[mossy juniper]

it feels really good to me

[lilac sparrow]

Cómo completo la misión doom de discord?

[vapid lodge]

what happens if you react to something in midst of the combat and you hit a fake frame?

input lag

[harsh egret]

framegen is not it at all for me

not yet.

[vapid lodge]

I can't play Eternal efficiently if I go lower than 150 ish frames

[mild loom]

doom 2016 minimum gpu requirement: GTX 670 2GB
doom 2016 release date: 2016
GTX 670 release date: 2012

4 year minimum gpu spec gap

TDA requirement: 6600 or rtx 2060 super
TDA release date: 2025
2060 super release date: 2019

6 year minimum gpu spec

people needa shut up

[mossy juniper]

3x framegen feels great to me on Cyberpunk

[mild loom]

framgen is best done on cyberpunk imo

[mild loom]

same, i dont have mfg but i use normal fg with pt

[mossy juniper]

I'm sure it will be great with Path Tracing in Dark Ages

Just happy to see level headed, reasonable people on this discord

People keep getting really heated over game graphics lol

[mystic patrol]

Yh thanks for the clarification. The point is people need to upgrade their 2016 potatoes. These are really not crazy specs at all

[lilac sparrow]

How do I complete the Doom Discord mission?

[astral ravine]

Im actually surprised mayo liked TDA

[mild loom]

welcome, one of the few places ive seen without completely irrational hyper emotional techtuber subscribers

[vapid lodge]

I remember when Crysis 3 was out and DX11 was required, people freaked out

[mossy juniper]

Yoh have to do it on PC

[mild loom]

absolutely not

[sturdy stream]

People especially love to be negative about change and embracing change

[astral ravine]

I thought he'd hate it due to the parry mechanic

[mild loom]

fuck mayo

[mystic patrol]

^

[mild loom]

always

[flint ocean]

I think it’s like 1920x1080 or smth along those lines

[mild loom]

"what do you mean my toaster from 2012 cant run a 2025 AAA game at 150 fps"

[mild loom]

then your fine

[next oar]

lazy devs smh

[sturdy stream]

I mean come on... i'm on a 3060 Ti and i want a BRAND NEW AAA release to play at 120+ fps... it's a little optimistic on 5 year old hardware

[mossy juniper]

me when my pc from the dark ages wont run DOOM the Dark Ages

[mild loom]

smh lazy devs, lazy devs

[next oar]

just like optimize like jeez

[mystic patrol]

If doom TDA was fully rasterized instead of raytraced, people would have cried because of 160 gb + storage requirements

[astral ravine]

Dont other bethesda games require a nasa superconputer to run their games?

[sturdy stream]

there ARE EXAMPLES of bad optimization today and lots of it, but that's not every game

[mild loom]

its still pretty good hardware tb

[astral ravine]

Why would that be such an issue with tda

[mild loom]

they do, but ID software my goat doesnt play that way

[flint ocean]

Fully what?

[mossy juniper]

I dislike how people seem to think optimization is a magic button

[mild loom]

legit, theyd complain about the cpu requiremtns

[mystic patrol]

Fully fake global illumination with shadow maps

[mossy juniper]

Non RayTraced GI

[wintry crypt]

I am too, id have a great track record of optimizing their games and I have complete faith that TDA will be the same way... But that isn't the case with most games that use RTX which is the issue. I understand that the tech will improve over time, hell it already has been improving but most games (including modern games) don't optimize RTX and rely on upscalers/frame gen to do the heavy lifting which hurts the user. I'm happy RTX exists and over time it will be much better optimized. But as it stands now, in order to get the full effect of RTX/path tracing, you need upscalers and frame generation even on the highest end GPU's

[mild loom]

i remember i saw someone bitch about ray casting in games (limiting whats rendered to your field of view) and they talkd about the "good old days of optimization"

its been happening since the first ever 3D video game. Wolfenstein. lmao.

[sturdy stream]

The thing is tho, people usually talk about frame gen and ESPECIALLY upscalers as if they were the devil himself

[mossy juniper]

People don't realize how much work it takes to fake lighting, as well as how much it diminishes art direction.

There's a reason Path Traced is the industry standard for animation

[flint ocean]

I’m just praying I can play. If it even runs I expect the graphics to look fuzzier and poorer but I hope it’s not to an extent thst it ruins my experience, and I’m hoping it still runs smooth enough that I can have a blast. This weekend is gonna be super boring cause I’ve got pretty much nothing to do while I wait to play dark ages

[sturdy stream]

Frame gen? yeah i can 100% see why some people don't wanna use that. upscalers tho? i'm much more keen on those

[harsh egret]

and upscalers keep getting better and better

[mossy juniper]

I agree, people who say they notice quality downgrade from DLSS in motion are either lying or placebo

[harsh egret]

framegen im sure will too

[cursive mica]

Anyone have any idea about places where i could sell my Doom: The Dark Ages premium key? :O

[mossy juniper]

Upscaling is free frames at this point

especially with the transformer model

[sturdy stream]

^^^^^

[mild loom]

framegen has latency issues now, but in a few years, its gonna be DLSS level perfect

[sturdy stream]

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYNA SAY

[mild loom]

DLSS is almost perfect imo, were so close to unnoticability

[mossy juniper]

Though framegen is case by caee

[mystic patrol]

Doom 2016 took so much space at that time because of the mega textures (they would literally use one single texture for rendering part of the map). That caused looong loading times on HDD and heavy popping. With doom eternal, on id tech 7, they fixed this. Now, they used their resources to create incredible locations with huge fights we had never seen in a doom game instead of focusing on making the global illumination look fine. This is real tech advancement

[sturdy stream]

Just give framegen time, it could be HUGE

[mossy juniper]

People who are saying DOOM DA barely looks better than Eternal are delusional

I see that sentiment a lot

[sturdy stream]

oh no, it's 100% better LOL

[harsh egret]

its night and day difference

[mossy juniper]

Yea, like the lighting and texture resolution has been massively upgraded

[sturdy stream]

from all the videos i've seen it looks way way better, and that's still compressed youtube footage

[onyx fjord]

It can be when it comes to overall filesize

[mossy juniper]

as well as sheer number of dynamic objects and light sources

[mild loom]

doom 2016 had this weird shader thing, where if you look closely at some guns, like the plasma gun, there is this cross patern for the texture, to save resources

[mystic patrol]

Its the nostalgia. I love DE, but holy they will say the same about TDA when the next id game comes out

[mild loom]

same kinds of people that say doom 2016 looked better than eternal

[lavish otter]

I've seen some article about raytracing being used for hit detection
is it true or some kind of misinformation

[sturdy stream]

A lot of textures in the holt look really low-res if you start looking at them too closely in eternal... other areas have the same issue

and DA looks way sharper across the board

[mossy juniper]

Yea, I play DOOM Eternal in the best way possible with HDR oled and RT, and the textures are starting to age in terms of resolution. As well as polycount in many areas

[onyx fjord]

I can tell that they extend out the playable area to very large spaces and actually have it filled with monsters, which is a vast improvement technically over the corridor and arena based combat of 2016 and Eternal

[mystic patrol]

I think this is the effect of mega textures as well. In the first level i would notice that a lot on the ground

[frail bloom]

This! I hate the demon comparison vids cuz 2016's model viewer has all that fancy lighting and resolution when it doesn't look like that in game

[mossy juniper]

Yea

[sturdy stream]

💔

[mossy juniper]

I swear some people are blind

[flint ocean]

I really need a proper pc or a new laptop, preferably a pc tho as it will generally be better in the long run

[mossy juniper]

Also people might be mixing up atmosphere from visual fidelity

[mild loom]

yeah, different art styles different times

[flint ocean]

This 2 year old laptop, while it still runs, is starting to not cut it

[mossy juniper]

DOOM Eternal's default look is rather washed out

[mild loom]

more often than ya think

[next oar]

eternal added rtx later after release didnt they?

[wintry crypt]

I appreciate that, I have no doubt that creating your own lighting etc takes a lot of time and work and again, as far as TDA is concerned, I'm not worried about the implementation of RTX. What concerns me is that many studios add RTX then slap on upscalers/frame gen and expect that to smotth everything out when frame gen alone increases your latency by a lot and creates a lot of artifacting due to AI frame gen trying to predict what the image would look like

[mild loom]

doom eternal with HDR is unbelievable

[mossy juniper]

Yea

[mossy juniper]

I KNOW RIGHT

[remote thunder]

it's real yeah

[onyx fjord]

Ironically, the colorblindness modes can introduce color grading that changes the atmosphere

[mossy juniper]

Yea, the concern is valid

[mild loom]

if you play on an oled with DLSS quality and HDR tonemapped, its legit one of the prettiest games there is

[lavish otter]

haven't seen any HDR gameplay for this game yet
i'm using RTX HDR when watching SDR dark ages videos lol

[mossy juniper]

It's true, the lead programmer Billy Khan said so at a private press conference where they showed off Path Tracing in Dark Ages

[mossy juniper]

lmao, same

Wish more games had as good HDR implementation as DE

[mild loom]

do you have an oled or mini led monitor

[lavish otter]

is it enabled only when PT is enabled?
or is it the default hit detection even when PT is disabled?

[mossy juniper]

not sure

[wintry crypt]

I do too, lol. My monitor is OLED HDR but because HDR is implemented poorly in most games, I just turn it off because it washes out the colour accuracy of the OLED display 😭 here's to hoping TDA does it well, would love to see how it looks with HDR on

[lavish otter]

i'm using a Display HDR1000 mini led monitor
it literally flashbangs me when i launch Eternal

[mild loom]

haha put this in the launch option properties in steam:

+com_skipIntroVideo 1

[lavish otter]

it all makes sense that RT is required if that's the default hit detection

[lavish otter]

oh good to know, thanks

[mild loom]

RT would make the dogdges and hits feel more deserves, thats how i imagine doom TDA playing, i cant wait to play

[mild loom]

have you dont the windows HDR specific calibration or just the normal color calibrator

[brave valve]

How do I see people on youtube with the game already 😭

[sonic turret]

I'm playing the new Indiana Jones game prior to the release of TDA, and it's not half bad.

[wintry crypt]

I used the calibrator in windows. Are there any settings you would recommend?

[mild loom]

i mean specifically the HDR calibrator. its on the microsoft store for free, just look up Windows HDR Calibrator

[remote thunder]

not sure there's a meaningful difference between rt hitreg and traditional

[mild loom]

creators that get very early access

[mild loom]

lets wait and see, or ask a creator @mossy juniper

[brave valve]

Does that count for youtube channels with as little as 2k subs?

[wintry crypt]

Yes, I did use that after it was recommended to me

[restive osprey]

do you guys think 16 gb of ram is enough to play on 1080p Nightmare/Ultra-nightmare?

[harsh egret]

pretty sure thats the ps5 players who got the physical version who can play

[mild loom]

okay so youve pretty much done most of what you could, then just see which games look like shit and which dont

[mild loom]

sometimes

[brave valve]

Game runs 10gb

[mild loom]

some of them i guess

[ocean kraken]

i fucking broke my collarbone yesterday and the worst part is not being able to play this game on launch lmfao

[mild loom]

MORE than enough

[mild loom]

ah man im so sorry to hear

[restive osprey]

k cuz I saw the recommended specs was 32 bruh

[mild loom]

wtf "here"

[restive osprey]

thx

[wooden acorn]

NOOOOO MY COLLECTORS EDITION ARRIVED AND IM WORK FOR THE NEXT 6 HOURS

[mild loom]

oh wait you said ram not vram, yeah 16 shoudl techniaclly be enough, maybe not the best tho

[harsh egret]

thats ram

[mild loom]

NOOOOO

[wooden acorn]

Also day 107 of 112

[wooden acorn]

Arrived minutes after I left

[mossy juniper]

Really don't know

[harsh egret]

some guy in my student housing got it at the same time as me, the ups guy told me to hold it and he would give him my number to pick it up later 😭 funny fkin interaction for sure, was like what are the chances

[wintry crypt]

Yeah, some games look decent with HDR but some are just not worth turning it on for. RDR2 being the best example I can give. With HDR, all the colours were washed out but once I turned it off, it became a different looking game lol that game is beautiful on OLED w/o HDR lol

[mild loom]

alr

[remote thunder]

there's no need for hit capsules/boxes which is cool, this saves on dev time

[wooden acorn]

Good chance to make a new friend lmao

[mild loom]

it was probably made for SDR, because at the time of release no one was really using a gaming Mini LED or oled

[mossy juniper]

lucky, mine is only arriving AFTER early access

and I'm in the US and ordered it day onr

i'm mildly annoyed since it was 200$