the-dark-ages

[woven jolt]

could be,

but it might also be a temporary thing or something, he isn't saying that stuff any more, either he dealt with it or it's gotten better for him

[plain iron]

I don't think you quite understand how PTSD works. It doesn't "get better" especially if you're not doing intensive trauma based therapy 😭

[wooden leaf]

The unicorn suit helped

[wooden leaf]

Clearly he’s better now though, look at his room in the fortress of doom

[mossy flicker]

Lol

[woven jolt]

I mean, my uncle got diagnosed with ptsd like 10 years ago, he hasn't gone to therapy or had any medical treatment, turned out his farm with animals helped him a lot LOL, probably just depends on the person

[woven jolt]

his gaming pc lol

[wooden leaf]

Guitars and toy collection

[wooden leaf]

What r the specs

[woven jolt]

rtx 1000000

[wooden leaf]

Argent accumulator as power source

[woven jolt]

yup

[wooden leaf]

Do you think vega played with him?

[woven jolt]

no idea

[plain iron]

Animal therapy is good, but doomguy is not having any therapy at all 💀

[wooden leaf]

Exposure therapy

[woven jolt]

nah, his therapy was killing demons

[vagrant path]

He was also like this in the original and no one had problems with it so idk what the deal is

[plain iron]

I don't think y'all know how ptsd therapy works it is particularly exposure therapy but you'd need to be careful for potentially violent people like doomguy

[plain iron]

... that's what I mean. He is a Mary Sue. Doesn't matter what game.

[vagrant path]

dude I think the doom slayer literally stopped speaking because he's so traumatized

I mean it would make sense

he probably compartmentalizes and interalizes to high hell

[plain iron]

Oh definitely. He does have some symptoms of CPTSD, or we wouldn't be able to detect it, he's just not written realistically if he does have complex post traumatic stress

[merry lion]

The crying babies in Doom 64 traumatised him

[vagrant path]

the twitching corpses in doom 3 hell will fuck you up bro

[plain iron]

Folk w cptsd have a bad tendency to hurt folk around them [I'm like this as well] and he just.. doesn't

[autumn dawn]

there were twitching corpses?

[autumn dawn]

he's just built different

he has a surprisingly high patience regarding humans

[vagrant path]

yeah there were fucked up writhing corpses at a few points in the game

first part of a doom game that genuinely made me feel disturbed and uncomfortable.

[autumn dawn]

i wanna wait until i see that

[merry lion]

They’re in the walls

[vagrant path]

a lot of things in doom 3 genuinely make me uncomfortable (in a good way)

that version of hell is so moody and fucked up

[plain iron]

Art is made to disturb the comforted, and comfort the disturbed, I'd suppose

[mossy flicker]

I wish we’d see a doom 3 like spin off again

I think it would go over more positively this time

[merry lion]

I like how Hell in doom 3 is literally just a void

I think ID took some inspiration from Half Life’s Xen, they’re very similar

[vagrant path]

doom 2016's hell got close to doing what doom 3 hell did but doom eternal's hell was more heavy metal cover-esque

this is what I love about doom and actually most id software games tbh

they're all quite different to each game before them

storywise, style wise.

and gameplaywise

[autumn dawn]

like the demon designs, Hell changing throughout the games can be very much explained as different regions of Hell

[merry lion]

I found Eternal’s Hell more interesting than 2016s

Like with the soul farm and suffering cages

[autumn dawn]

in one part of Hell, there's the regular fire, lava, castles, then thw other part of Hell is like a dull, lifeless swamp of neverending agony

[mossy flicker]

How long do we expect doom TDA to be

[vagrant path]

Some levels will supposedly be as long as an hour

and there's 22 levels

[fleet spruce]

With the Abyssal Keep it seems we're even closer to Doom 3 hell than 2016

[vagrant path]

plus secrets and optional encounters

[mossy flicker]

Is that a lot or

[vagrant path]

dude that's like 2x the amount eternal had

[mossy flicker]

I know but games sometimes say they have a huge level count and then some of them can be done in like 15 minutes

[merry lion]

Some might be gimmick levels (dragon or mech)

[mossy flicker]

I was alluding to that

Mech level be like 10 minutes

[fleet spruce]

highly doubt that

[mossy flicker]

How many bosses do we think
Actual bosses

[uneven dragon]

Doom 3 feels a lot like Half Life 1

[uneven dragon]

i think they're both pretty good though i think the soundtrack of 2016's Hell was better

like Damnation is exactly the kind of music i think works for it

though Nekravol's ambience is cool too

[flat pulsar]

7, 3 mech levels and 4 dragon levels. The dragon levels also feature dismounted sections

[harsh egret]

i think those dragon levels are more so normal levels with some dragon segments

the mech levels im curious how they can be around 1 hr each

i just wonder what they can really do there to make those levels that long

ik theres gonna be secrets and other exploration with the mech levels but still

i already know im probably gonna love the rest of the game so im hoping that this can be smth that they can pleasantly surprise me with

[mossy flicker]

Cosmic baron

[harsh egret]

doubt the cosmic baron has anything to do with the mech

[mossy flicker]

Cosmic baron

As someone who’s replayed 2016 and eternal for this game I really don’t wanna go to hell again in TDA

[flat pulsar]

I think the last mech level you beat up Cthulhu

[harsh egret]

ah yes doom game where u dont go to hell

[uneven dragon]

now im trying to think if theres one where you dont

but no i think every single official doom game/expansion has you go there lol

wait actually

[unborn tiger]

kinda saddened by the amount of cutscenes in the trailer

[harsh egret]

hugo teased smth about making the craziest boss battle they ever made when he talked about the mech so that might be it

[merry lion]

Do you go to hell in Doom VFR?

[uneven dragon]

nvm i thought mighty doom didnt have a hell level but it has Nekravol Part 1 and 2

[uneven dragon]

yeah in the second last level

you even fight a cyberdemon there

honestly one of the only good levels

[graceful lion]

mech levels are not gonna be mech-only, its probably some sort of travel point i think, where u go as the slayer

[harsh egret]

im not 100% sure on that since everyone i heard talk about this has said theres 3 mech levels period. but when they talked about the dragon levels they said those would be a combination of normal slayer levels with dragon sections

[mossy flicker]

When and where was this? Bc this is exciting

[mossy flicker]

Where are we getting this 😭

[graceful lion]

i see

[graceful lion]

content creators and hugo

[mossy flicker]

But

[graceful lion]

content creators who played the game*

[mossy flicker]

Oh

[sleek ermine]

ever heard of Hebeth?

[graceful lion]

i think tda has the discovery of nekravol too

[harsh egret]

both those things i mentioned are talked about in tyler mcvicker's video after minute 10:22

[uneven dragon]

Hebeth isn’t in Hell is it tho..?

[plain iron]

No, it's inside mars.

[sleek ermine]

the Mars Core map divisions say otherwise

[uneven dragon]

Thought so

[plain iron]

Tbf tho, idk how tf it's inside mars

[harsh egret]

i thought the part inside of mars is just a part of the city

[sleek ermine]

no, the entire thing is in there

[harsh egret]

well clearly in tda it isnt

[plain iron]

Either way, that's not how planets work

[harsh egret]

and i recall reading somewhere that the city isnt just the underground part or whatever

[sleek ermine]

DOOM doesn’t care

[plain iron]

If it was below the crust, they'd be in the mantle, which is concerning bcs why are you in molten rock.

[sleek ermine]

there is lava in the Eternal version of hetbeth

[autumn dawn]

i think Hell found a way to get inside Mars' core and just teleported their city into there

[sleek ermine]

(from an untrusted source, don’t trust until corrected) Hebeth was a Sentinel city/colony(?)

[plain iron]

Yeah but there's not enough for it to be the mantle 😭

[autumn dawn]

i actuslly don't know

[plain iron]

This is like. Year 5 science shit

[sleek ermine]

tbf we don’t even see the true size of the hole

[harsh egret]

ye

[autumn dawn]

theeeee......

city spawns piece by piece inside the mantle, then breaks more rocks to make space for more to spawn in

if that makes sense, which i assume doesn't

[harsh egret]

im reading more about it now it seems the city was and i quote "swallowed by the quaking surface of a once habitable Mars"

[graceful lion]

quaking

quake

[harsh egret]

[hard thistle]

Hebeth was an Argenta city on Mars, yes. It seems by the time TDA happens they've built weapons factories on the ruins.

[inland beacon]

With all the lovecraftian shit in the trailer as well as the new dimension i feel like their hinting towards something quake related

[woven jolt]

a lot of people think they'll somehow tie in Quake to doom or at least some other lovecraftian verse to doom

[tranquil bluff]

speaking of quake I wonder what the new rocket launcher is gonna let you do

[woven jolt]

alternate fire supposed to act like a grenade launcher

[tranquil bluff]

nice

[inland beacon]

Im pretty sure that weapon mods aren’t really in the game and each slot shares two weapons like how eternals unmaykr worked

[woven jolt]

it's two weapons, but from one base gun, so you can switch in the middle of fighting

[woven jolt]

basically, just two very different weapon mods that act as alternate fire modes

[inland beacon]

I wonder if the reaver chainshot is a purely secrete gun or if you can just find it early. I also wonder what alt weapon the chainshot shares ammo with

[woven jolt]

it's a normal weapon, and people used it in the demo, which was only the first four levels, also, pretty sure the chainshot has no other alt

[flat pulsar]

I think the weapon placement was solely for the demo

[silent surge]

could be, but it felt organic when finding it

[silent surge]

id predict siege is around 5 or 6 in

maybe 5

[woven jolt]

I guess the demo main menu wasn't showing the first four levels

[inland beacon]

The demo did have the first level but they weren’t allowed to show it

[silent surge]

they were 4 sections, but not necessarily levels of themselves it seems.

[silent surge]

yea that was played in full. the others were parts specifically chosen for the demo

that’s probably typical with press builds though, you get to play certain chosen segments

[woven jolt]

I think some levels were also cut off early

[silent surge]

yea it would fade to black

so being that it was certain sections there’s more content and levels we hadn’t seen yet

[graceful lion]

im somewhat surprised and also not surprised that you can say so much, dont really know whats stuff you can say or cant tho, so thats why im surprised ig

stuff related to the game and such, about what you played in the demo

[silent surge]

we were cleared once march 31 hit to post

[inland beacon]

From what I’ve heard the dragon sections are surprisingly boring

[hard thistle]

I feel like that's one of the benefits of having an actually reasonable marketing cycle instead of announcing the game 3 years before it comes out.

[woven jolt]

I also think the enemy count was modified for siege for the demo, it seemed very empty for an open-level, and I can't image that's how it'll be for the game, plus, they probably just wanted to show off more exploration instead of being stuck in one spot for the entire siege demo

[silent surge]

and some things yes we couldn’t record true

[silent surge]

there was still a lot to explore

[plain iron]

Like cutscenes?

[silent surge]

it was not a tiny level

[hard thistle]

Crossing my fingers and hoping that demon count goes up with difficulty like the classic games.

[silent surge]

yea couldn’t

[woven jolt]

did you feel it was a bit empty in terms of enemies tho?

[silent surge]

there weren’t any big spoilers that we saw

[plain iron]

I just want to see the fatass maykr dawg we got a small sight of him when the slayer was going batshit in his little playpen, but it's not enough.

[silent surge]

the battles still had a lot going on

[graceful lion]

they will probably make it chaotic, dont worry

[plain iron]

I need to turn the chonkyr into a marketable plushie.

[heady jacinth]

dunk him in milk and throw him at a wall

[woven jolt]

@ HORDE went to the demo, and he felt siege felt empty in terms of enemies, but ig we'll see

[silent surge]

i have heard mention of people saying that the AI weren’t fully active on people’s nightmare videos - just depends too on the final release and how aggression is tuned. it’s the “token system” in 2016/eternal

[silent surge]

it’s definitely wide open

[silent surge]

yes he did

@warm ibex didn’t you

[inland beacon]

I feel like they put seige in the demo for a reason though. They wanted to show off the biggest level in the game

[plain iron]

Yes... milkboard the goober...

ALSO CHAT

[sleek ermine]

[woven jolt]

it kinda felt like some enemies were just standing around

[graceful lion]

https://tenor.com/view/pou-nothings-new-sad-shower-gif-6371051761574215667

[silent surge]

i was just busy blastin’

but we’ll see how the final release goes too

[plain iron]

Nvm chat I'm just schizo

[woven jolt]

yeah, it was also very different for Eternal's showcases

[plain iron]

The demo build was a older build, wasn't it?

[silent surge]

but yea it was some cutscene at the start and mostly gameplay. no big spoilers like “doomslayer is azhrak’s dad”

[meager vortex]

https://youtu.be/a0mHiiz-VFo

[plain iron]

Did you see a chonkyr cutscene

[inland beacon]

What kind of system/systems did they run it on. I wanna know how the game would realistically run compared to in the demo footage

[woven jolt]

imagine if it's revealed that Azhrak kidnapped doomguy and the slayer we've been playing for 2 games now has been a fake copy

[silent surge]

yes and he looks weird, in a maykr way. a good weird. eyes all on his body just darting around

[plain iron]

In lack of Samur, I'm latching into the chonkyr like a leech.

[silent surge]

i didn’t get specs but we played on 4k

[silent surge]

azhrak just wants to be king

[plain iron]

He's observing :]

[woven jolt]

i know, im just yapping lol

[silent surge]

anytime i hear observer i think minecraft

PINKY JOCKEY

[silent surge]

azhrak gonna be on a big scale

[plain iron]

He's observing all the ways the slayer can die....

[inland beacon]

How is it possible that a maykr can be fat

[sleek ermine]

I can’t bla bla as long as you’re the only one they fear…

[plain iron]

I don't fucking know and it's sending me into a fit.

[hard thistle]

Clearly you didn't play the secret build with the cutscene revealing Ahzrak is Doomguy's ex.

[silent surge]

there is no question he’s a big boi

[silent surge]

shhhh you aren’t supposed to tell them

[plain iron]

He's squishy... it.. it don't make sense..

[silent surge]

like a pillow

full of wandering eyes

watching you sleep

[plain iron]

Oddly comforting.

He's watching for dangers :]

[sleek ermine]

we must make a body pillow that is just the chonkyr model

[silent surge]

wonder if we will get a Kreed BBQ
with arms wide open

[inland beacon]

I find it funny how hugo martin had to make a post pointing out the lies in midknights demo video

[silent surge]

put him six feet… from the edge

[hard thistle]

Also just saw the new Cyberdemon post. Very interesting that they're specifically calling it a Cyberdemon again after Eternal said they were "Tyrants."

[plain iron]

I'm supposed to be making doom body pillows anyways 😭

[uneven dragon]

Yeah I thought that was weird as hell

[harsh egret]

i loved seeing that they are back to calling them cyberdemons ngl

[hard thistle]

From the model it's definitely different from Tyrants anyway.

[sleek ermine]

would you sleep with the Chonkyr

[uneven dragon]

They really called everything but the original Cyberdemon a Cyberdemon

[plain iron]

... no comment.

[uneven dragon]

At least we got the legacy of rust enemy out of it

[sleek ermine]

:(

[hard thistle]

I'm gonna guess they're just using Cyberdemon as a colloquial term like the Cacodemon, or Mancubus in 2016, while it's actually a different species from the Tyrant altogether.

[plain iron]

I think like. The behind the scenes reason was so they don't confuse the cyberdemon from 2016 n shit

[sleek ermine]

I mean if you make one might as well use it

[plain iron]

I have like. 6 planned.

[hard thistle]

Yeah. I'm assuming they'll have an actual canon name for this one in the lore.

I prefer that anyway. 2016's Baalgar is the Cyberdemon. OG Cyberdemons are Tyrants. Doom 3 Cyberdemon is the Mightiest Warrior. There you go. Distinct.

[inland beacon]

It looks like the legacy of rust vassago

[plain iron]

It does, other than the fact is not charred black

[hard thistle]

Also I'm hoping they keep this for the Spider Mastermind.

Spider Mastermind = Aranea Imperatrix from 2016. The OG monsters can just be Spiderdemons.

[plain iron]

Spider demons... goobers....

[hard thistle]

I don't like calling the original ones Spider Masterminds. It's a dumb name for them.

[plain iron]

They're not masterminds, they're just spiderlings

[hard thistle]

I like to think they're like Hell generals.

That was how I wrote the one from Doom 1993 in that one story anyway.

[plain iron]

I like the weird grabby hands they got

Like what are you grabbing little fella

... probably food but yk

[hard thistle]

Also I fucking love OG Imps coming back as their own enemies and the game differentiating them from modern Imps. I really hope they do this for other enemies. I'd love to see this treatment for the Hell Knights, or Pinkies.

[plain iron]

OHHH yeah I'm so hyped for that

From the gameplay I've seen, it seems they're not a heavy demon, more just like, well, the classic imps

[uneven dragon]

We KINDA got that for the Hell Knight

[plain iron]

Goes down in a few combat shotgun shots yk

[slender night]

I hope they bring back the weird clicky noises the OG Imps made

[inland beacon]

Fun fact: a lot of the og imps sounds came from camel sounds

[proud vine]

time to go camel hunting

with a flamethrower

[hard thistle]

Yeah, seems like they're just heavier Imps who are slower but sneak up on you and have more health.

[proud vine]

i like how they seem to have buffed the normal shotgun this time

[plain iron]

I got fuckin jumpscared by a imp in classic doom and it was so funny

[hard thistle]

It also kinda establishes modern Imps to be the default, standard species, while the classic Imps are a sub-species.

[plain iron]

I've never been so scared when playing classic doom lmao

[proud vine]

imp jumpscare

[hard thistle]

(Much like the 2016 Baalgar being the Cyberdemon and Cyberdemons being Tyrants.)

[plain iron]

I actually just thought of something.

So like. Imp stalkers lowkey look like archviles, right? And it's established that the modern imps are related to the summoners. So like. Is it like. A split evolution from something?

Pokemon style yk

[hard thistle]

Perhaps. Archviles are among the oldest Hell species, keep in mind. They have a lot of authority in Hell.

They're, IMO, kinda like crocodiles - no need to evolve because they're already perfect at what they do.

But there could be a connection regarding Archviles and Imp Stalkers.

[plain iron]

Agreed, I do see that happening, but with the connection that's been established with modern imps and summoners is interesting thing, and I do fully anticipate there's another connection.

[autumn dawn]

i also prefer Spiderdemon for them

[plain iron]

I usually call them little shits because they always make me restart shit. [I forget to save]

[plain iron]

I'm not making sense jfc.

[hard thistle]

The way I see it is Imps have a genetic proclivity for things like summoning other demons and wielding fire to a much greater degree, but it only manifests in certain individuals under the right conditions. It's an evolution tree.

[plain iron]

... like pokemon

Specifically the eevee evolutions

Or other evolutions that occur depending on time of day ect

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1121477880199794698/1364233062006788166/image.png?ex=6808ec8c&is=68079b0c&hm=aa8e6b48d0358b2efd1245adf59436bdb086b7cafe8400756ff3f6523f137785&
Kinda like this.

[autumn dawn]

i used to rush arachnotrons because i thought they had the same health as like a revenant

it was only when i learned they have the same health as hell knights that i treated them more as a threat

[hard thistle]

Imp Stalkers and Archviles could have a common ancestor. Archviles are the cream of the crop. Like humans and monkeys having a common ancestor. (Imps are the monkeys.)
This mutation, essentially is what it'd be, can also manifest in modern Imps, but the result is a Summoner.

Wow. That's pretty cool. This would be a great bit of lore, so I hope it's right. Nice catch, Thomas.

[plain iron]

Thanks dawg

[autumn dawn]

were all Summoners female?

[graceful lion]

never thought twink imps were from the same tree as fucking archviles

[graceful lion]

well, they have feminine features, dont know if theyre female or not

[plain iron]

They're designed to be feminine

[autumn dawn]

we don't know if there is any sexual dimorphism with the Imp tree

[plain iron]

That's what I'm thinking as well lowkey

Like birds...

[autumn dawn]

i've also previously theorized that male whiplashes have died out and that females are asexual

could this be the same case as Summoners?

[plain iron]

Hell yeah reproduction by mitosis

[autumn dawn]

do the Summoners who are about to die of old age bring forth new young Summoners?

[winter idol]

its like those female geckos that can fart out babies without a male

[autumn dawn]

maybe this is their way of asexual reproduction

[plain iron]

Are they like hydra and they multiply when killed...

[plain iron]

Have you seen the lesbian gecko army?

[winter idol]

uh, no

[plain iron]

It's literally what you said

[winter idol]

oh i thought it was something different

[plain iron]

The specific species of gecko will pseudo-mate with other females, and they'll produce fertile eggs, it's a really interesting phenomenon

[winter idol]

i remember that

[proud vine]

do demons even reproduce?

[plain iron]

And one youtuber decided to make a army.

[autumn dawn]

their snake bodies are cybernetic, so they won't grow it back

[hard thistle]

I like to think both Summoners and Archviles are actually just summoning demons from Hell rather than creating them.

[graceful lion]

probably

[plain iron]

https://youtu.be/01eSpqGHI2E?si=PlmJQB410dWlTZT6

This is guy lesbian gecko army

[proud vine]

i mean they are called summoners for a reason

[graceful lion]

like iirc things like the icon can "conjure" demons from themselves

[autumn dawn]

we know where Lost Souls and Zombies come from, but do the other demons just spawn out of nothingness

[graceful lion]

gaycko

[plain iron]

Sapphko....

[autumn dawn]

lesard

[plain iron]

[hard thistle]

The Icon's just weird, and it's one of the bigger things I wish we'd get more info on regarding the classic games.

[plain iron]

The icon is interesting to me

[autumn dawn]

i kinda wish it got a 2016 codex entry

codex in 2016 is far more interesting than Eternal's

[plain iron]

I mean. There's a classic IoS Easter egg in 2016

[hard thistle]

There's always gonna be discrepancies, the modern games are taking classic shit and recontextualizing them for the modern canon. I want to know what they see the original Icon of Sin as; was it restrained in Doom II, or was it just there naturally? Was it a dumb Titan there too, or was it intelligent like it "speaking" to us suggests?

[plain iron]

I like to think the maykrs or us lobotomised him.

[autumn dawn]

GermanPeter thinks that it was dead, and judging from the pipes siphoning blood into his head, he assumed that the demons are trying to revive it somehow

[plain iron]

We did shoot various ammunitions into the mf's frontal lobes 😭

[hard thistle]

My personal headcanon is that the Icon was intelligent in Doom II, and not restrained but simply stuck. I like to think it was different from other Titans; an Archdemon like Erebus, with actual authority and ruling power, before it died. When it was brought back by the Valen's son thing, it came back more destructive, but without the intelligence or authority. It went from a ruler to a weapon.

I felt the "speaking" and creating demons were things generally pointing to the idea that the Icon in Doom II was the "mastermind of the invasion" rather than just a big monster.

[plain iron]

I like my lobotomy theory smh

[autumn dawn]

an Archdemon like Erebus

now you've convinced me to think that E3M6 is set on the back of a Hell barge

[hard thistle]

Neat idea. I hope we meet some explicitly confirmed Archdemons sometime.

By my personal headcanons we met three of them in the actual games.

[plain iron]

I hope we get told what tf Ahzrak even is

[hard thistle]

I'm guessing he's the son of the Dark Lord of the First Age.

[plain iron]

He looks human, kinda

I really like the horns tho

Hugo told us that it symbolises his age, or experience

[plain iron]

Do we know who the dark lord of the first age is?

[hard thistle]

Honestly? I wouldn't be a huge fan of it, but I could see them making him Davoth's son. I wouldn't really like that and I doubt it's the case but I could see it happen, especially if Ahzrak is meant to be older and more experienced.

[autumn dawn]

he's rather young, as Hugo said

[plain iron]

He's a idiot baby goat man

[hard thistle]

No. When it comes to the Dark Lords of modern Hell history, we only know one and that's the Aranea Imperatrix (Fourth Age).
I feel pretty strongly that the Maledict was the Dark Lord of the Third Age, though.

[autumn dawn]

Icon is the Dark Lord of the Second Age, then Davoth for the First Age

probably

[hard thistle]

Eh...

[plain iron]

Ah. Understandable. I figured that the first age's dark lord was the spiderdemon from classic doom.

[hard thistle]

The Icon dies during the First Age, and since TDA happens during the First Age it couldn't have been the Dark Lord.

[autumn dawn]

oh didn't see it

[hard thistle]

The Dark Lord of the First Age has to be offscreen - if Doomguy had killed it in the classic games, TDA would be in the Second Age.

[plain iron]

Hrr God TDA is gonna mess up some parts of the timeline oh no

[hard thistle]

I also would not say Davoth for the First Age. The First Age isn't the beginning of Jekkad - it's the beginning of modern Hell history. Davoth's death at the hands of the Father is what brings about the First Age and his own status as the Nameless One.

Davoth's reign is pre-history, essentially.

[plain iron]

My head is hurting.

[grim cloud]

i always felt that classic games are a different timeline, but its the same doomguy who travels backinto the PAST and into another timeline ... somehow

[proper nimbus]

Doom lore in a nutshell

[hard thistle]

Always here if you need clarification.

[grim cloud]

doom 3 its one timeline as well. Hell is a Proxy to all doom timelines

[hard thistle]

Yes. Classic games, Doom 3, and modern games are three different Earthly Realms.

[proper nimbus]

Wait so you're saying doom 3 is canon oh no

[hard thistle]

Always was, yeah.

[plain iron]

I mean. I have a headcanon for the doom multiverse, that in every universe there's a always the same people, just different. This is kinda supported by the whole thing w the skins in eternal. So going off my headcanon, there was a "doomguy" in the nudoom universe, he just wasn't the slayer, yk?

[hard thistle]

(I like to think that's the Intern, personally.)

[plain iron]

I appreciate it broski. I wasn't good at history in school, so I stick to the science parts of doom, like maykr biology

[grim cloud]

multiple doom guys/marines but only one Doom SLayer that we know of.

[hard thistle]

I'm a big history fan so I enjoy this part.

[plain iron]

I also believe there's multiple Samuel Haydens, just not Samur's hayden yk

[plain iron]

Figured as much

[plain iron]

I'm a Flynn Taggart believer, so I would be inclined to say that the Taggart in nudoom is the guy, but no, I do think the intern is that guy, half for shits and giggles, and the rest explaining why he is the way he is [other than being a nerd abt the slayer lmao]

[hard thistle]

The Intern may not be a meathead but he's very Doomguy-core. He feels like if Doomguy hadn't exercised and studied science instead.

[plain iron]

I still wonder why a military base has a intern tho 😭

He's doing this shit and he ain't even getting paid dawg

[barren iron]

military bases basically have interns, they're just privates and only get paid marginally better than unpaid interns

[hard thistle]

I imagine he was a UAC intern who ended up joining the ARC when the invasion happened, like lots of ARC employees (probably). I don't think he's an actual intern during Eternal, just called that because that's who he was. He's just the intern.

[plain iron]

He was on Samuel's recovery team tho, given he had access to the dude. So he probably wasn't exactly a intern

[hard thistle]

Well yeah, not during Eternal. I'm saying he was probably a UAC intern 13 years before Eternal. And then just ended up being ARC staff.

[plain iron]

He definitely is on the younger end tbf

[wide narwhal]

greetings

[tranquil zodiac]

only 2 more days for dark ages

[plain iron]

He was like "Yeah okay this is fine yup okay neato" and he just went along w it bcs he seems like a doormat.

Not anymore tho, the mf interrupted the dude on the ARC ship

[graceful lion]

well if you were seeing demons tearing humans apart like pinnatas theres not much else that can surprise you

especially for years on end

[plain iron]

Fair tbh

I think I'm rambling.

[hard thistle]

They need to make the Intern the protag of a spinoff game. Give it the story I wrote as a concept. I'll even let id pay me for it.

[oak temple]

3 weeks today, guys!

[plain iron]

I want more silly spin off games.

[graceful lion]

ysh i feel like if u saw demons and all sorts of other shit happening, doomguy arriving isnt really that surprising since u knew recently that he was fucking up demons and the invasion is being brought back bigtime

[plain iron]

Give us demon destruction as a mobile game id software please.

[graceful lion]

becuase of the ARC broadcast

[autumn dawn]

Doom: Caco Pinball

[plain iron]

No but I can see that

[autumn dawn]

pls id Software do not take the Angry Birds path

Candy Crush-esque, shitty RPG, cashgrab mobile games break down the door

[plain iron]

[oak temple]

Anyone doing Nightmare for first run?

[hard thistle]

Not me. I don't really like Nightmare in 2016/Eternal. Ultra-Violence for me.

[merry lion]

Ultraviolence for me as well.

[woven jolt]

noob

[hard thistle]

Lol. I just wish the difficulty impacted more than slight AI changes and damage taken.

I'm comfortable with UV's aggression and damage levels but wish Nightmare was just... UV with more demons.

[autumn dawn]

id seems to have forgotten the old approach they had regarding difficulty

[woven jolt]

well, it still made it a lot harder and faster tho, kinda made you not make stupid mistakes

[hollow sandal]

Nahh

[autumn dawn]

damage enemies deal to you are not changed, but rather their numbers and positioning, which can be deadlier

[hollow sandal]

Ultra violence, if even that

[hard thistle]

It essentially just felt like "you take an unreasonable amount of damage from a single Imp." Especially in 2016.

2016's Nightmare was fucking awful. The first three levels are hard as fuck because Imps take like 70% of your health in one shot, and then the rest of the campaign is smooth sailing because there are less Imps and you have more upgrades. Seriously poorly balanced.

[autumn dawn]

nuDoom basically turned the Slayer into a glass cannon

[plain iron]

I have a complex relationship w nudoom.

[feral bane]

True

[autumn dawn]

i bet you'd be overjoyed if Maykrs were introduced back in the first 3

[feral bane]

But at the same time once you get over the hump I do like Nightmares balancing in 2016

I feel like UV gets too easy too quickly

[hollow sandal]

You're more comfortable with classic?

[plain iron]

I'm comfortable w doom 3 lmao

[hollow sandal]

Nice, I love doom3

[plain iron]

Even then it's been years since I've fully done 3

Like. Almost 7 lmao

[hollow sandal]

Oh shit

[autumn dawn]

3 feels awesome, knowing that you're very much destructible as a regular ass human being, and reloading weapons...

[plain iron]

My memory surrounding doom 3 is a bit iffy, so excuse my dumbass when i eventually mess up lmao

[hollow sandal]

Nah you gud

[autumn dawn]

everytime i save, i always make sure that all my guns are fully loaded

[silent surge]

and in 2016, enemy aim scales with difficulty

[hard thistle]

Really? Huh. That makes sense.

[silent surge]

only on nightmare. and even then the brink of death / low health system in eternal helps
with tons of extra lives and the saving throw tube

[silent surge]

it was changed for eternal, hugo felt it didn’t age well

[hard thistle]

Makes sense.

I wish 2016 were more mod-friendly like Eternal is now, because the game would greatly improve from rebalancing mods. I used one last playthrough and it was very nice, but a bit annoying how the game insisted on proclaiming itself as being in dev mode and shit over it.

[silent surge]

i haven’t really tried mods for 2016 but they’re out there - just not as up front as eternal. which even that, the legacy modding is through the fanmade mod launcher

[woven jolt]

I made Eternal too easy for my first playthrough, I switched to a harder difficulty eventually but had 27 extra lives stored...

[autumn dawn]

what was the low health system? was it like, you get faster as you get closer to death?

[silent surge]

most attacks will give you that last chance, and put you in low health (not all), and that system wasn’t in 2016. it’s called “brink of death”

[silent surge]

2016 challenge runs can be nasty

if you make em hard enough.

eternal has 51 lives. add 3 in extra life mode for 54. plus saving throw

and you can stack to 99

interestingly using console commands to increase damage you take bypasses the brink of death window

[wind dew]

The BGF is now the BFC. Big Fucking Crossbow. Lol

[autumn dawn]

ohhh, so if you were on 20 health, and an imp hits you (supposed to deal 20 damage, let's say), you only take 15 damage?

[hollow sandal]

Ohhh like a damage "falloff" if you Will?

Once you're really low?

[woven jolt]

now all we need is KFC

[autumn dawn]

big gun fucker

[silent surge]

if a hit would normally kill you it would put you at like 5 health. so attacks aren’t all the same damage

[autumn dawn]

Killer Fucking Crossbow

[silent surge]

BFB
big ballista

[autumn dawn]

i wonder how the BFC works

does it work on magic

[woven jolt]

this may be wrong, but I heard you get to customize the color of the bfg explosion, again, might be wrong

[autumn dawn]

why would you need to

[woven jolt]

idk

[autumn dawn]

green is iconic for the BFG

[woven jolt]

well, they seem to be adding more to this game in terms of custom stuff

[autumn dawn]

i legitimately don't like imagining a red BFG ball and explosion

[woven jolt]

imagine yellow

[wind dew]

I like the color red

[brave iron]

Lol

[barren iron]

I think a light blue could be neat

[graceful lion]

doom 2016 is like the subnuatica below zero of modern doom, by that i mean people dont care for modding it as much as eternal

[silent surge]

mighty doom let you customize the blood color - or none at all

[graceful lion]

not really the other aspects of bz, those dont apply to 2016

[barren iron]

I've watched the new trailer an absurd amount of times

"The slayer has been activated" goes so hard

[grim cloud]

that would be cool, esp if you could change the colors of certian monsters

[tranquil bluff]

piss nuke incoming

[barren iron]

oh shit the Oblivion remake livestream is about to start

[solemn wyvern]

Ye

[barren iron]

I Hope this isn't ass

I've always wanted to play oblivion but the OG game runs like dookie on modern hardware

[solemn wyvern]

So why is the Calamity blade in the dark ages?

[hard thistle]

Unfortunately it's not the Calamity Blade.

[solemn wyvern]

Or is more like the ethereal crossbow from heretic?

[grim cloud]

doesnt that shoot fire?

[solemn wyvern]

The calamity blade?

[grim cloud]

and a poor replacement for the plasma rifle

no the weapon in the new classic doom maps

[solemn wyvern]

That the bfg replacement

The incinerator replaces the plasma rifle

[grim cloud]

oh right, thats the weapon that sucked

[solemn wyvern]

The calamity blade replaced the bfg

[grim cloud]

i dont know what calamaty pblade is

[barren iron]

OBLIVION REMAKE TIME

[solemn wyvern]

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/d/de/Legacy_of_rust_doom_wiki_screen_shot_8.png

[grim cloud]

captain picard is talking

[solemn wyvern]

Oblivion remake hype

[prime sentinel]

Excited for the comment section for every doom video Bethesda uploads to not have people begging for it in the comments anymore

[barren iron]

oh we still have ES6 to fill that role

[grim cloud]

i cant stand the combat, so if htere isn't improvment there, ill pass

[solemn wyvern]

The fucking oblivion remake is going to digital only isn’t it?

[barren iron]

From what was said prior to this, there is a pretty big combat improvement

[solemn wyvern]

Morrowind combat sucked ass

[barren iron]

well yeah

[hard thistle]

Real

[barren iron]

"game from 2001 doesn't stack up to modern titles"

shocked pikachu face

[solemn wyvern]

Ayyy

[barren iron]

HOLY SHIT

[solemn wyvern]

Realistic faces

[barren iron]

waow

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

[solemn wyvern]

The mods probably have to be remade don’t they?

[barren iron]

this is basically an entirely new game

[solemn wyvern]

Ye

[barren iron]

so yeah

[solemn wyvern]

Where is mommy ithelia?

[barren iron]

oh nice

thank fucking god, they're adding all the DLCs baked in

[solemn wyvern]

Inb4 more dlc for some stupid ass reason

So a remaster of the gayme of the year edition?

[barren iron]

Well, it seems more than that

it seems like they almost re-built the game from scratch

[solemn wyvern]

Tes 6 using this engine when?

[barren iron]

TES 6 is going to use UE 5

[solemn wyvern]

No idea

Maybe?

[barren iron]

I'm pretty sure they already confirmed this

[solemn wyvern]

Hype

Fuck it I’m doing a barefoot waifu like I usually do lol

[barren iron]

dude this looks so sick

[solemn wyvern]

Ye

Mod support plox

[barren iron]

oh it'll undoubtedly have mod support

[solemn wyvern]

Console mod support like Skyrimjob?

[barren iron]

probably

[solemn wyvern]

Inb4 verified creations

Dark sisterhood hype

Then pay with your mom

Where are crossbows?

[barren iron]

WAIT, IT'S OUT, FUCKING HUH

[solemn wyvern]

Ye

Goddamnit it’s fucking digital only

[barren iron]

Well yeah

why is that shocking

[solemn wyvern]

0/10

[barren iron]

That's kinda dumb to be upset about in 2025

Bruh it's on Gamepass, lets fucking go dude

[plain iron]

Not really, physical preservation of games is needed in this day and age. Always has been needed. When games get delisted, keeping physical copies are important, or the media is lost.

[silent surge]

back when i was growing up, we only did physical games, publishers didn’t bother with this “digital” “DRM” stuff

[silent surge]

my old gameboy color Oracle of Ages still works

came out in 2001

[plain iron]

My sister and several of her friends have original copies of the orange box, still works relatively

[barren iron]

I think part of the challenge is though is games are too large for physical media, and they haven't bothered to try and find something new

[plain iron]

Then you do multiple disks lmao

[compact dock]

I say that Doom: The Dark Ages got a CERO D rating in Japan.

The previous modern Doom games were rated CERO Z.

What do you guys think?

[plain iron]

Blueray disks can hold up to 50gb of data, two of those disks can almost hold TDA

[uneven mortar]

I feel like I might get burnt by expectations, but Doom TDA literally looks like the kind of FPS I wished for when I first played a shooter. Steady movement, insane fantasy weapons, monsters that gib like crazy, wide arenas, and melee that hits like a truck. Does anyone else feel like this is a way bigger thing than people are making it out to be?

Like, the slowness and heaviness seems so original.

[plain iron]

Nudity. I'm betting it's the nudity.

There's a single cutscene, we see a dude's ass.

[gilded lake]

a D rating is less than a Z rating tho iirc

[plain iron]

OHBWAIT

Nvm I'm dumb.

It's almost 1:50am I'm not supposed to be yapping

Get vega'd

[gilded lake]

no wikipedia links 😔😔

[compact dock]

It must've something to do with gore or violence.

Hopefully the Japanese version is released uncensored though. 🤞

[sonic turret]

I mean we get @$$ in classic Doom too.

[gilded lake]

cyberglutes o7 o7

[plain iron]

Not in its 3d glory

[gilded lake]

the tyrant from doom eternal:

((it's flatter there iirc tho))

[sonic turret]

Doom's famous for its @nus.

Apparently the server doesn't like the medically correct term for ass.

[rustic arch]

Guys, i am really excited for tda but i am a really big elden ring fan and i wanna get nightreign Which means i can’t afford tda, what should i do?

They come out within 15 days of each other

[silent surge]

To make $70 for TDA (plus tax) across 15 days is $4.67 a day

can you find a way to make just under $5 a day, on average?

[proud vine]

get elden ring and the game pass

[rustic arch]

Its 80 euros

[rustic arch]

I prefer Steam

[sonic turret]

Then you're probably not ready for TDA.

[silent surge]

will need 5.34/day average

[proud vine]

better than nothing i guess

[rustic arch]

How do i make 6 bucks a day as a minor

[rustic arch]

Fair

[sonic turret]

Beat Elden Ring and save for TDA whilst your playing it.

[silent surge]

offer to rake leaves/mow lawns for neighbors, other side jobs

[rustic arch]

Fair

[rustic arch]

I really wanna be part of the release hype tho :c

[silent surge]

they should wanna help a kid doing business

[sonic turret]

Or sell your soul to Ahzrak.

[rustic arch]

Ah yes

[sonic turret]

Sadly I already sold mine to Davoth, so I'll have to ask him to lone it out to Ahzrak.

[ionic garnet]

Are any of the shoulder mounted weapons making an appearance this time around?

[rustic arch]

Im sorry if this is against the rules here, but would 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️ be acceptable in this scenario?

[sonic turret]

Maybe a shoulder mounted samurai sword or nunchaku.

[rustic arch]

Its a triple a studio, i could buy the game when i can afford it

[ionic garnet]

I’ll take that as a no then 😭

[proud vine]

depends on wich one

[rustic arch]

Tda

Its 80 bucks

[proud vine]

https://tenor.com/view/death-spongebob-smile-rainbow-gif-15431174

[sonic turret]

Will what?

[silent surge]

discussing this in the official server of the game wouldn’t be advised

[rustic arch]

Yeah sorry

[ionic garnet]

Get game pass its worth it

[rustic arch]

Fair

[sonic turret]

What wouldn't?

[rustic arch]

Piracy

[sonic turret]

Argh!

[rustic arch]

Or wait Maybe i could family share my steam library with someone who is gonna get the game but then we can’t play it at the same time

[sonic turret]

That's a good idea. If you have peeps on the other side of the planet, you can split timezones.

[rustic arch]

And someone who buys an 80 dollar game on release is gonna want to play it a lot

[rustic arch]

Oh yeah, im in Utc+1. Would anyone be interested?

[uneven mortar]

Is anyone else worried that cutscenes and action setpieces are gonna bloat repeat playthroughs? I really hope there's an arcade mode or something

[fleet spruce]

Shoulder mounted chaingun so far

[ionic garnet]

Im sure there’ll be an option to skip cutscenes, but I see what you mean about the setpieces. If my options were big setpieces like the mech or parkour segments though, I’m taking the mech

[ionic garnet]

Really? I haven’t seen gameplay anywhere

[fleet spruce]

It was seen in trailer 2 and pieces of official art

[rustic arch]

Studying the russian revolution rn in school, a fitting time to talk about sharing something lol

[uneven mortar]

That's true, the dragon mainly has me worried

[rustic arch]

The dragons gameplay looks fun, a lot of dodging

[ionic garnet]

Yeah i saw it in the art thats why I was curious

The shoulder mounted weapons were always something I found really cool in the other games, so I was hoping they’d return somehow

[uneven mortar]

It looks alright the first time round, but idk if itll keep its charm

[rustic arch]

Something about having shoulder mounted grenades feels more eternal ish and not stand and fight imo

[ionic garnet]

I am worried its gonna be somewhat repetitive of just taking out the guns on ships over and over, but I haven’t faith the studio know sbetter

[uneven mortar]

Tbh I think its very classic doom, like the no reloading mechanic. Not needing to stop firing to use grenades is a gameplay innovation I hope sticks around

[ionic garnet]

That is true but shoulder mounted grenades are also just really cool

Hope it makes a return in the next one, though 3-4 shoulder weapons always felt a little extra

[uneven mortar]

I had a lot of faith until recently reaching davoth, now I've got the heebie jeebies bc that was the worst designed fight ever

[rustic arch]

100% agree with you

[ionic garnet]

I’d love to see the shield and some of the weapons make their way to the next mainline doom game

I think the shield could probably take the place of the chainsaw

[uneven mortar]

I will cry if the chainshot never comes back

[ionic garnet]

I think its probably just hard to balance the mobility you get with stuff like double jump and the meathook with a strong block/ parry system and not be ridiculously hard to kill

[rustic arch]

Or just parrying in general, i loved the parry mechanic in ultrakill

[ionic garnet]

Literally what I was thinking, the reaver is most definitely gonna be my fav new weapon, followed by the skullcrusher

[uneven mortar]

I never liked the feel of the dash, which is funny because it's literally essential to doom eternal and the game would be way worse without it

I think more meathook mobility could have replaced it

[ionic garnet]

But then you have to be careful that the super shotgun isnt just the only weapon used 90% of the time

[merry lion]

I like the dash, but for an entirely different reason (reminds me of the dash from Unreal Gold)

[uneven mortar]

I'm hoping this is what the shield is for, a meathook not tied to a gun

[rustic arch]

Skullcrusher feels like if they actually made a good version of the unmakyr that doesn’t use bfg ammo

[ionic garnet]

Thats very true

I hope the meathook stays somehow though, aesthetically its awesome

[uneven mortar]

The skullcrusher is aethetically amazing but the stake launcher is gonna feel better imo

[ionic garnet]

Thats so true its just more interesting then a lot of other automatic guns in the game

[silent surge]

covid and the year one timeline made things tricky

[rustic arch]

Yeah i really like the cool bullet spread

[ionic garnet]

Yeah the collision look so meaty, but I doubt they’d bring over both stake launcher and chainshot as they fill a similar niche

[uneven mortar]

Yeah, i understand it got too late to change but such a sour note to end a 10/10 game on

[uneven mortar]

I hope environmental physics are a big part of this game, like light immersive sim elements

Stake launcher could definitely get a sci fi redesign

[silent surge]

one video shows a wooden table outside. digital foundry i believe. they shoot the table. and the sunlight shines through where a shadow was previously

[ionic garnet]

It could, and pinning enemies to the wall looks really fun

Its only real competition for the gameplay loop it fills is the ballista and probably chainshot now

[forest jolt]

hey, yall think i will be able to run tda with a 1650, 20gb ram and a ryzen 5 5600?

[uneven mortar]

Ballista would literally delete the dark ages, considering its so horizontal

[merry lion]

Welcome back Stakegun from Painkiller

[uneven mortar]

Should I play painkiller? People are talking about a remake

[merry lion]

It’s pretty good

A bit mindless but still fun

[real rose]

just ordered the premium edition

[ionic garnet]

How many weapons are we actually getting this time around?

[uneven mortar]

Looks like the same as eternal, with 8 guns (each with an alternate version) and 3 melee options plus shield

[fleet spruce]

Imagine serious sam but it's metal

[merry lion]

Seriouser Sam

[uneven mortar]

Should I play serious sam?

[wide narwhal]

...

[fleet spruce]

It's a fun time, sadistic at times but overall worth checking out imo

[uneven mortar]

Cool

[ionic garnet]

Ah ok, do you know how many are original to tda?

[uneven mortar]

Uhh, not exactly. There's the chainshot, stake launcher, skullcrusher. I'm betting on a secret extra gun too. The rest look pretty iterative.

[ionic garnet]

Dont forget crossbow bfg

[uneven mortar]

Yeah

The plasma gun is called the "accelerator" and I assume that means it gets higher damage the longer you fire... or charge it?

Lowkey I'm a little sick of the Combat Shotgun returning. It should just be a grenade launcher or something.

[slender night]

I'm fine with the shotgun returning, in fact I'd be displeased if it was to leave

[uneven mortar]

Actually, is the Combat Shotgun even confirmed for TDA?

[uneven mortar]

It's fine, and I understand it would be controversial, I just only ever used it for sticky bombs in NuDoom

[slender night]

Time for them to make it better then

[hollow sandal]

There's a powerup where it turns red

[uneven mortar]

I mean, they did. It's called the Super Shotgun

[hollow sandal]

The shotgun in this game looks like it hits harder at mid range compared to the last 2 titles and the fodder enemies explode into flames from what it looks like

[uneven mortar]

That seems cool

[slender night]

The super shotgun is a different weapon...

[uneven mortar]

I know, I was joking

[uneven mortar]

That would be a really smart change, if normal shotgun got good midrange damage but SS needed short range to hit right

[ionic garnet]

Yeah same I feel the same about the heavy autocannon, though the sniper mods kind of differentiate it a bit. I get that two shotguns in a doom game makes sense, but theres just so many cooler options they can go for

Im also lowkey not a fan of the rpg gameplay but I think I’m the only one who thinks that

[uneven mortar]

Heavy cannon kind of lost all use to me once I got the hang of using the ballista without the scope

[silent surge]

we have a rocket launcher mod for that i hear

[uneven mortar]

In TDA? What is it?

[silent surge]

a grenade launcher

from rocket launcher

[uneven mortar]

Interesting

[uneven mortar]

Many people seem hesitant about the RPG elements, I think it's fine as long as you can't grind levels

I just hope the secret hunting is more like the classic games and less platforming

[ionic garnet]

I meant like the rocket launcher 😭 my bad

[uneven mortar]

Lol got it

[hollow sandal]

Rocket launcher looks sick to me

[uneven mortar]

Rocket launcher was super fun in eternal, I hope remote detonation doesn't take up half the upgrade tree this time tho. I'd like to see a new upgrade

It would be sad to see remote det go completely though

[ionic garnet]

I dont think I’ve actually seen much gameplay of it to judge it to be honest

Its hard you can see why the doom and doom eternal arsenal were pretty much exactly the same, when every weapon fills its own combat role well, especially with mods

[uneven mortar]

Yeag, this new close-range emphasis is interesting though. Maybe rockets will have severe dropoff?

[hollow sandal]

Fair, from what I've seen I like it

[uneven mortar]

Doom Eternal was always the most fun when you had to be up close imo

So a whole game built around that is exciting

[graceful lion]

well, tda seems like its gonna be alot of "up close"

[hollow sandal]

Mhmm~

[warm ibex]

I'm actually pretty sure that's the opposite of what I said lol. It felt empty when walking back through areas, but there was rarely an area that didn't have something to do on your first time moving through

[uneven mortar]

I'm a little worried because the enemies look so dumb in gameplay. They just hang around, which seems like a huge problem

[hollow sandal]

I'm pretty sure I saw that you can have heat blast on the accelerator? Would you by chance know how that's activated? By button press?

[hollow sandal]

They changed some things since the gameplay event. Maybe they'll change that

[uneven mortar]

I definitely hope so, and I'm praying it's a bug with aggression and not a fundamental dumbing down of enemy toolkits.

[lament grove]

those trailers probably had enemy aggression set to low anyways

[hollow sandal]

For sure, but I believe they are referring to the gameplay event from a few weeks ago

[uneven mortar]

I saw a video with nightmare on and there were enemies kinda just standing and waiting to die still

[hollow sandal]

That's a bit of an exaggeration if I may say, but yea

[lament grove]

good point, probably then yeah

[uneven mortar]

Not all of them, but there was a mancubus who didnt attack at all, which worried me

[warm ibex]

This version of the heat blast is activated by releasing the firing button while at maximum weapon charge (charge is built by hitting shots). The blast will consume your remaining charge

it's an optional upgrade

[grim cloud]

the AI does seem dumber, they also despawn after you kill certain monsters.

[hollow sandal]

Ahh beautiful thank you. I was curious since there is no. Mod buttom

Thank you sir 🫡

[warm ibex]

no problem!

[uneven mortar]

So its like Dead Eye from TBOI?

[uneven mortar]

I hope that's just the fodder that die, which would be pretty much the same as eternal

[grim cloud]

or it could just follow you until you run far enough away, or just mop the shit up

[uneven mortar]

The last imps and stuff die after major encounters so you dont have to clean them up in eternal

[grim cloud]

or they could run away, since they scared. Just feels kinda silly

[uneven mortar]

Oh yeah, I really hope the game doesn't forget where enemies are...

That would be sad

[grim cloud]

but AI just stands there, they dont engage with the slayer until he gets closer, that is another issue

[proud vine]

i believe the fodder enemies are gonna be really passive

[uneven mortar]

Yeah. Hopefully it's just a system issue and not an actual gameplay design one

[grim cloud]

not saying they need a Day/Night routine but i dunno, maybe its just more noticlebe in OPen levels

[hollow sandal]

So you can't save heat blast anymore

[uneven mortar]

There's no way Hugo and co would let something as crucial as enemy aggression go unfixed, right?

[grim cloud]

i would also like to see stalker enemies, that spawn in the world and hunt you down in random locations

[hollow sandal]

I trust in Hugo Martin

[uneven mortar]

I was surprised when I learn you could save it the other day, shame I was done with my replay already.

[uneven mortar]

I do too, I really hope the move away from multiplayer means more focus on side modes and not just... nothin

I want a proper horde mode with replay value so bad

[hollow sandal]

What platform you gonna be playing on?

[grim cloud]

horde mode, new game +

[uneven mortar]

PC with a controller

[grim cloud]

I would love invasion mode as well, but that will not be happening

[hollow sandal]

Awesome

[ionic garnet]

Having a game literally centered on killing hordes and not having a good horde mode does feel kinda dumb

[uneven mortar]

Agreed

[grim cloud]

As long as Horde Mode is more randomized

[uneven mortar]

No more coin level nonsense

[grim cloud]

modders made a better horde mode than id

[ionic garnet]

I think the biggest issue with single player games a lot of the time is post game

An endless mode in cyberpunk/ better endless mode for doom eternal would have me playing forever

[uneven mortar]

100%

[slender night]

You can make/play your own proper Horde Mode via SnapMap

[uneven mortar]

I really hope the cheat code collectibles come back

[obsidian shard]

That seems to be a thing on game mode

Like watching Nightmare gameplay is nutz

They are Really Aggressive

[grim cloud]

well no snapmap for TDA

[slender night]

Yes SnapMap for 2016 though

[grim cloud]

besides snapmap was very limiting for 2016. It would get pretty redundant fast - you cant even add the summoner without special hacks

[ionic garnet]

I cant wait to see how hard bosses and big hordes get without the hyper mobility of eternal, though it will be missed

[slender night]

You can still make good stuff with it, including a proper horde mode

[obsidian shard]

Still surprisingly Mobile

[delicate grotto]

Hoping the Bosses are challenging in TDA

[grim cloud]

Needed more open arenas, like if they added the MP maps ot Snap Map, that would of helped

[obsidian shard]

It's all about How YOU play

[grim cloud]

ALso SNapMap needed the ability to make new enemie skins for variety

[delicate grotto]

Samur is the only Boss in the entirety of the Doom franchise that was semi-difficult to me.

[uneven mortar]

I hope the shield bash is as good as the meat hook tb

[hollow sandal]

Shield bash doesn't have a cool down? You can abuse that maybe

[ionic garnet]

Bosses with parries and less movement seem like a lot of fun

[slender night]

That's too complicated for a simple rushed level editor

[delicate grotto]

For sure

[grim cloud]

well then it wouldnt meet my needs sorry

Could always update it further down the road

[slender night]

It meets mine and I love it

[ionic garnet]

I wonder if doom 4 will lean more tank or mobility

[obsidian shard]

GO TO 2016 FOR SNAPMAP TALK

[cobalt fog]

How tf is woke ages still a trending thing

Come on

[obsidian shard]

You mean DOOM 7

No wait DOOM 9

[delicate grotto]

Sad SnapMap was abandoned after 2016. Thought it was a great level editor. Just had some shitty limitations. At least mod support is (supposedly) coming to TDA.

[cobalt fog]

I miss chadmap

[delicate grotto]

Interested to see where that goes with this community lol

[obsidian shard]

I'm going to SNAP your MAP if you keep yapping SNAPMAP here

[delicate grotto]

Damn bro mb, just miss it yk

[delicate grotto]

For views, lol.

[obsidian shard]

It is woke

Theres woman

Woman Scary

[uneven mortar]

They turned the MANCUBUS into a WOMANCUBUS!! Fuck!!

[hollow sandal]

Lol

[grim cloud]

yes it did, it was held hostage by consoles which made it impossible to grow. therefore it could scale

[obsidian shard]

I'm going to eat you

[cobalt fog]

Lmao

[uneven mortar]

I really didn't like that they gave hell knights eyes back in Doom Eternal

I hope they lose their eyes again

[obsidian shard]

They have eyes

But

[uneven mortar]

No!!

[obsidian shard]

The Battle Knight Version Doesn't I think

[uneven mortar]

Cool

[harsh egret]

he prob does under the armor achtuealyy 🤓

[uneven mortar]

The armored barons from TAG2 were sooooo fucking cool to fight

I'm glad they are expanding on that

Much better than the marauders

[grim cloud]

i hope we get classic barons with hell knight colored variants like mr gladiator

[uneven mortar]

Also I hope some enemies get armor with weak points and not just a damage threshold

[harsh egret]

pretty sure theres no weapon that can destroy weakpoints the same way like in eternal

[hollow sandal]

It's gonna hurt not spoiling myself when you guys get your collectors edition early 😭

[uneven mortar]

Hm.... this could be for better or worse

[harsh egret]

i think it makes sense for this game

[uneven mortar]

Honestly thats cool and very classic doom, and I never loved sniping. But it might lower the intensity

[barren iron]

TDA from what we know is less about weapon matching and more about learning timing to strike

[uneven mortar]

Yeah

[harsh egret]

the shield mechanics will add to that intensity i feel

[uneven mortar]

I guess the shield parry is the new weak point system

[grim cloud]

weak points not as much of a thing in this game. There is some but not a lot

[hollow sandal]

There are precision effects(?) for example the steak gun gives something for getting headshots

[harsh egret]

just gotta lower the parry window cause every preview ive seen they had such high parry windows

maybe they tweaked it as well before release

[grim cloud]

the ~~Arachnotron ~~Mindreaver dies too fast to notice

but we see mancubus get blown to different peices, losing it ability to fire both weapons

[harsh egret]

i remember someone shooting both arms off of an imp

[grim cloud]

in one vidoe, a manc loses both arms, and just stands there

[harsh egret]

poor guy man couldnt do anything

[ionic garnet]

Shame I thought the weak point system was so cool

[harsh egret]

he was just staring at u

[uneven mortar]

I just hope every gun has a role, and that role feels significant

[grim cloud]

like, i think they should put in a headbutt animation, that would be hilarious

[uneven mortar]

I would hate to just use the SS and reaver all the time

[harsh egret]

hahah true

[harsh egret]

you know what they say, you control the buttons you press

[hollow sandal]

I'm feeling like that's not the case entirely from what I've seen

But yea i hope I wrong

[ionic garnet]

I think eternal did a pretty good job of that

[harsh egret]

can u beat 2016 by using just one weapon? sure. should you for your own fun? no. so just dont do it :p

[uneven mortar]

That's true, but Doom Eternal incentivised diverse play and that's what made the combat so good. 14 guns isn't much use when 2 stand well above the rest

When stuff got hard, 2016 incentivised me to just use the gauss cannon and that game's combat suffers because of that design

[ionic garnet]

I think the introduction of weapon mods really helped with that, as I had a reason to use the combat shotgun over ss in certain scenarios, same with the plasma rifle and heavy autocannon

[harsh egret]

again, its gonna be more melee, shield, weapon combos in fights

[uneven mortar]

That's fine, I'm excited for that. I just hope the guns taking a mechanical backseat doesn't mean they become interchangeable.

[ionic garnet]

Watching the spike gun gameplay, it looks like it has a similar effective range and fire rate to the reaver, so thats a worry for me

[harsh egret]

i think all those three will play equal amount in combat

[ionic garnet]

Eternals weak point system also really helped to incentivise the use of certain weapons that would probably see less usage

[uneven mortar]

That's true, but spike gun is probably better on small and tough demons because it pins them, right?

[harsh egret]

it looks like it does a lot of damage as well and ive seen people spam it on a mancubus and in like 5 hits he is dead

maybe 4 i dont remember

[ionic garnet]

Does it pin them immediately? I thought it was just gonna pin corpses

And even then the reaver has aoe when charged which makes it good against groups of smaller enemies

[uneven mortar]

Thats a shame if it only pins dead demons. Would kind of undermine the spiky walls around the place

[harsh egret]

wdym only dead demons lol

they pin even hell knights to walls

[uneven mortar]

Demons killed by the spike

[grim cloud]

i guess they are reposting the same stuff on social media now? ran out of things already?

[uneven mortar]

Who

[harsh egret]

they did that after the dev direct as well

and they are showing new things as well lol

the stuff they are reshowing is extra along what we would get normally

[harsh egret]

not sure what u meant by only dead demons

a demon doesnt have to be dead to get pinned, they just have to be low enough hp

or do u mean pin them while they are still alive

[uneven mortar]

I mean I hope it pins them while theyre still alive

Otherwise it's not super useful

[graceful tulip]

Oblivion remastered should satiate me until doom comes out

[harsh egret]

i dont think thats a big issue at all, but who knows maybe they have that in the final game

[rancid plume]

The doom accounts on their socials, theres leaks they post every weekday at 9:30am usually

[uneven mortar]

Its out already?

[uneven mortar]

Oh cool

[graceful tulip]

Dropped today

[ionic garnet]

Oh damn I’m very wrong ghen

[tranquil bluff]

just bought the ultimate edition

happening

[uneven mortar]

Congrats!!

[hollow sandal]

Nice

Enjoy your early gameplay 😭

[uneven mortar]

I just got the normal preorder, but still excitinf

[harsh egret]

crazy to say its out in 3 weeks

[hollow sandal]

Facts

Finally

[harsh egret]

exactly 3 weeks for advanced access

[graceful tulip]

I regret buying the collectors edition, ups has a track record of being late when it comes to delivery

[tranquil bluff]

birthday gift came in clutch didn't think I was gonna get it

[harsh egret]

do we know if they send the codes via email on the 12th in case it doesnt get here

all i know for me in norway they said they ship it on the 6th from them

[graceful tulip]

I have no idea, apparently they do ship it out early so it should be arriving on may 12th

[harsh egret]

so i hope thats enough time

[graceful tulip]

At least that’s what the website said

[harsh egret]

are u in the eu

[uneven mortar]

Do you guys have any theories about post-launch support? Like side modes

[graceful tulip]

Us

[harsh egret]

ah

[tranquil bluff]

arcade mode maybe?

[harsh egret]

i almost wanna say id be surprised if we get anything beyond the campaign

[graceful tulip]

We are getting dlc

[harsh egret]

im not getting my hopes up whatsoever and thats fine for me

for extra gamemodes

[meager vortex]

extra life mode maybe

[hollow sandal]

Yea dlc is confirmed

[uneven mortar]

Tbh that would make me pretty sad, I hoped cutting multiplayer would mean a bigger investment in single player replayability

[harsh egret]

it seems to me they have more replayability for the campaign than ever before

extra modes i dont count into replayability

[uneven mortar]

How so? (Not arguing)

[graceful tulip]

I think there’s like 20 mission in the new game and about an hour long including exploration, that’s like DMC games

[harsh egret]

just everything they have been showcasing with difficulties, weapon upgrades, exploration etc

[graceful tulip]

Plus the accessibility sliders

[uneven mortar]

That's true

[oak temple]

I wonder if they'll do master levels

[tranquil bluff]

going straight to nightmare day 1

[harsh egret]

ye i meant those

[hollow sandal]

Savage

[harsh egret]

again, i wouldnt get my hopes up, and to me that is fine

[hollow sandal]

What platform you playing on?

[uneven mortar]

I'm gonna be on hurt me plenty as always lol

[tranquil bluff]

PS5

[harsh egret]

what the campaign has seems more crazy than anything eternal has offered me in content

[hollow sandal]

Damn on controller too, sick

[slender night]

It's confirmed

[graceful tulip]

Ultraviolence is my default, I remember how much it kicked my ass in eternal

[hollow sandal]

Oh yeaaa pandemonium right?

[slender night]

I think so

[uneven mortar]

Idk, master levels and cheat codes added a massive chunk of value to me

[tranquil bluff]

oh yeah they still have the extra lines thing

[harsh egret]

maybe im in the minority but i have never played with cheat codes

[tranquil bluff]

forgot about that

[slender night]

I can see master levels, cheat codes not so much

[uneven mortar]

They're very fun for cleaning up the final annoying items imo

[slender night]

Dirty cheating...

[uneven mortar]

I wish the harder difficulties added more demons to encounters... sigh

I would probably play them more if that was the case

[slender night]

They do ||in the originals ||

[harsh egret]

i am not expecting much outside of the normal campaign, but i wouldnt be surprised if they have more surprises up their sleeves, ill say that

[uneven mortar]

Yea

[hollow sandal]

Yea I'm expecting devious encounters/"arenas"

[harsh egret]

cuz like i said the campaign looks crazy insane to me already as it is

[cobalt fog]

Technically we have got 3 weeks left till angry shield man game

[hollow sandal]

Gonna goon to fat Makyr 😣

[tranquil bluff]

time to bring the pain

[harsh egret]

oke dud

[uneven mortar]

Gonna goon to manc- gunshot

[harsh egret]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-diabeto-roll-back-to-kicthen-fat-gif-17658704616017456698

how i imagine him walking

[uneven mortar]

Mama may i have argent

[cobalt fog]

💀

[prime sentinel]

new pc is running great

hope the 9070 xt is up to the task of running TDA how I expect to play it

[graceful lion]

it should run amazingly tbh

[lament grove]

some guy is selling a functioning shield saw in etsy and im fuming i spent all my money already 😭

[prime sentinel]

TLOU part 2 is running like butter at native 2k

[slender night]

Shieldsaw? From Sonic Frontiers (and definitely not any other game)?

[graceful lion]

with id's optimization shit gonna run 4k like butter frfr

[prime sentinel]

the only thing that worries me slightly is that its RT required and that AMD has historically been behind in regards to that, though, apparently the 9000 series has made great strides

in terms of AMD cards

[graceful lion]

yeah

and its not actually getting fucked every verison they release like nvidia is

5060 has a 8gb version in 2025 💔

[prime sentinel]

yeah that is ridiculous

[graceful lion]

thats like having a sport car with a v6 engine instead of a v8 or something

[prime sentinel]

12 gb should be the absolute minimum in modern day

[graceful lion]

literally

like if gpus from nearly a decade had 11 gigs, today's standards should be atleast 12 gigs

[prime sentinel]

that was one of the big things that made me go for the 9070 xt, I saw that the 5070 had 12 (iirc) and the 5070 TI had 16 but was more expensive

and less available (in prebuilts)

and at the price point I was willing to shell out

[uneven mortar]

All the playtests I saw pretty much all disliked the dragon, has there been any discussion of them changing the mechanics in those sections?

Even post-launch

[prime sentinel]

no

[winter idol]

if they were changing it then they probably wouldnt say

[uneven mortar]

Yeah

[winter idol]

but a substantial mechanical change proabably isnt feasable

[prime sentinel]

I think the game is way too close to release for that sort of thing to be changed

[winter idol]

unfortunate since thats what it needs

[prime sentinel]

maybe in a later update, like some things in eternal but who knows

also: I'm holding judgement on the dragon since the full game isn't out and in the grand scheme of things the press didn't play all that much

[uneven mortar]

I definitely hope so, or at least a campaign mode where you can replay without the setpieces

[prime sentinel]

lol that's weird I have no idea why they would do that

[uneven mortar]

Like arcade mode in 2016

[prime sentinel]

a traditional horde mode would really work for this game imo

from what I've seen, the gameplay looks geared towards it

[uneven mortar]

Yeag

I would love a horde mode

[balmy merlin]

Baseball huh?

[uneven mortar]

Without the minigames

[prime sentinel]

when I say a traditional horde mode, I mean a wave based survival mode, not like Eternal's

I do like Eternal's

and I kinda get why it has mini games, Doom Eternal's gameplay is just absurdly intense and long sessions of straight combat can be tiring

[uneven mortar]

Eternal's was pretty threadbare in terms of content imo, and the platforming interludes hurt it a lot

I do get it tho

[prime sentinel]

I think the fact we got it at all was really fucking cool

[uneven mortar]

Yeah

[sonic turret]

I'd rather just have integrated waves of enemies in the main campaign, rather than a separate horde mode, I'd want it to feel organic.

[prime sentinel]

adding a whole new free mode post launch is insane

[prime sentinel]

isn't that just how arena combat works anyway?

I mean, these modern doom games ALL have waves of enemies lol

but having an extra mode that's just that is fun

[sonic turret]

Sure, why would we need a separate mode? I mean it would work like the horse's nest challenges I guess.

[uneven mortar]

The Horse's Nest...

[sonic turret]

It's supposed to say gore.

[prime sentinel]

It’s fun to have stuff to do outside the campaign.

For a short fun session

[uneven mortar]

I'm a huge side mode fan

[sonic turret]

Or even something like Nightmare difficulty where enemies respawn in the vein of different waves.

[prime sentinel]

It would just be a nice feature to have

[sonic turret]

But each time they respawn, when one demon falls, two could rise up in its place.

[hollow sandal]

Yall getting me hyped

[uneven mortar]

I'm also hyped

Three weeks away tho...

Thats like forever

[prime sentinel]

I’m taking vacation from work for 4 days to play it lmao

[uneven mortar]

Peam

I'm definitely gonna have ton work something out

[winter idol]

i want to find out its release time before i take time off

cause it might release the 12th if its a worldwide release

for me that is

[barren iron]

Oblivion remaster dropped today, I'm already hyped