the-dark-ages

[weary current]

yeah, and it's not a one-and-done thing either, you get to upgrade the altan and dragon too
which is absolutely crazy if you think about it

[plain iron]

Clearly you haven't used a controller.

[nova spear]

the control you must have on the stick needs to be crazy

[wheat sigil]

i have actually

[plain iron]

We don't have binds for weapons m1

[wheat sigil]

you do

[plain iron]

Not ones that are comfortable to use.

[nova spear]

im using a controller and it takes me 5 to 6 businesss days to turn around

[grizzled thicket]

I just put binds on ps5

[grizzled thicket]

increase sensitivity

[nova spear]

its on 60, more than that is crazy

[grizzled thicket]

then do not complain

[plain iron]

While y'all can just... press idk, random key. I'd have to use the direction pad, which is already binded

[nova spear]

and moving around and jumping around while attacking is so hard

[frail bloom]

Me personally it's not hard to me

[wheat sigil]

i got used to the binds i got relatively quick

[grizzled thicket]

skill issue

[nova spear]

buddy stfu

needs practice

[wheat sigil]

you have to switch around binds on keyboard and controller to make it comfortable

[frail bloom]

I've been playing on console for years anyway so I prioritize planning over quick switching

[grizzled thicket]

yes and thats litreally a skill issue

[nova spear]

why u gotta be rude about it tho

im joking

[grizzled thicket]

eh dunno

[wheat sigil]

claw grip? don't use default binds?
optimally, combine both

[nova spear]

probably its because ive never used a claw grip

[barren iron]

TDA will be the first PC game I've played in a while on my KB-M lmao

[grizzled thicket]

wtf is claw grip

[barren iron]

on your mouse

[grizzled thicket]

aaah

[barren iron]

you raise your palm up instead of rest it on the mouse

[nova spear]

i thought they was talking abt controller

[grizzled thicket]

I do that when I click fast

[nova spear]

i always use claw grip on mouse

[barren iron]

that's mainly why you do it, it's also allegedly faster for mouse movement

[wheat sigil]

this is controller gameplay after 450 hours
https://youtu.be/B0zqciiyUBU?t=28

[barren iron]

doom guy angy

[grizzled thicket]

yeah but when I'm on my laptop I'm on it for a long time and I like to rest my hand on the mouse

[vapid lodge]

Main menu theme is out, im dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqiUHIkHjBE

I will stare at the game listening to this instead of playing

[wheat sigil]

search on youtube, it's a way to hold your controller more optimally

[barren iron]

So, I don't know if anyone can answer this, but I remember during the direct they were talking about how we are literally playing the lore books from doom 2016 and eternal, did they mean that literally? is TDA ripped directly from Codex from the previous two games or were they just using that as an expression

[grizzled thicket]

hell nah I aint learning a new grip for controler

[nova spear]

fax

[frail bloom]

They are in alot of the events mentioned but the story is between the characters and not leaning heavily on worldbuilding

[nova spear]

its easy once u learn it

[barren iron]

ah okay, so they took some of the codex entries and are building on them basically

[frail bloom]

Yes and most likely trying to improve how they told story from the last game

[grizzled thicket]

nahif what I do works it works and the way I grip mu controler is comfy so not gonna change it don't need to

[frail bloom]

Horde mode gaming said the badass moments are much more natural compared to eternal so it's a start

[grizzled thicket]

hell nah that grip looks uncomfy as fuck and I aint learning that shiy

[frail bloom]

Skill issue

[grizzled thicket]

nah not a skill issue when I can do everything already

[frail bloom]

Nuh uh

[grizzled thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

[nova spear]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-kid-doom-doom-eternal-doom-slayer-gif-26144019

[delicate sequoia]

I heard Microsoft has made a deal with Spanish va so we might get a dub

[plain iron]

Don't... don't we normally have dubs?

[grizzled thicket]

me when I get called a kid

[wheat sigil]

i mean, utilizing the claw grip well would make you a better player

[nova spear]

its just a gif dw

youre probably a decade older than me

[rugged hill]

I hope they do eventually explain how doomguy got nerfed between the dark ages and doom 2016

[nova spear]

https://tenor.com/view/its-real-gif-14292160561080017093

[warm ibex]

he didn't!

[nova spear]

nerfed?

[barren iron]

I wouldn't say he got nerfed.

[nova spear]

wait wdym nerfed

[barren iron]

He went to sleep

[grizzled thicket]

I'm already good enough so don't care to get a bit better, getting better at a game is not about the grip always

[barren iron]

although, ditching the cape was a poor fashion choice doomguy

[delicate sequoia]

Spanish va had a policy that made them unable to dub anything that used their voices to feed an Ai so… Microsoft didn’t want to change that

[grizzled thicket]

I know but thats y I wnet me when

[plain iron]

I like to believe that the divinity machine was kinda like a shot, and it wore down to what we see in eternal

[rugged hill]

His praetor suit in 2016 is nowhere near as beefy as his suits in eternal and dark ages

[delicate sequoia]

But good news is that is solved

[nova spear]

me when

[vapid lodge]

I wanna hear Into Sandy's city in TDA

[grizzled thicket]

how old are you?

[vapid lodge]

Heard they added it

[nova spear]

almost 16

[wheat sigil]

oh well yeah that's fair, focus on what you wanna focus on
but the claw grip will allow you to utilize your controller more effectively

[rugged hill]

I wanna hear more sampling of the og soundtrack tbh

[grizzled thicket]

I'm 19 so a 3 year diff

[frail bloom]

Apparently it has harpsichord too😭 peak

[nova spear]

oh dam

[vapid lodge]

man... im losing muscle control

how the heck

[plain iron]

And that's why the Kreed maykr is like. "Yeah no fuck that" because the divinity machine caused him to be even more batshit

[grizzled thicket]

I have mucle memory so that would only make me worse

[wheat sigil]

you can get new muscle memory lol

[grizzled thicket]

went to army last year

[frail bloom]

Prepare to gain it again when you work out to this peak ost

[wheat sigil]

i have changed binds in eternal for example

i got worse for a little bit, before getting better

[grizzled thicket]

yes but it's slow for me

[rugged hill]

yeah i had to change bindings in eternal too

[vapid lodge]

Nah I dont need to work out, muscles will grow as soon as you play the game

[rugged hill]

all equipment and the chainsaw is bound to my mouse for eternal

[grizzled thicket]

but I have gotten better at using the new binds

[grizzled thicket]

how much u weigh?

and height

[frail bloom]

At most I weighed 195 and I'm 5'7

Im also 16

[grizzled thicket]

damn thats good I was at my peak about 87 kilos

[vapid lodge]

Fun fact, when I was like this at Comic Con, after 3 days of carrying the Hammer and the Crucible I felt my muscles pumped the whole week

https://imgur.com/a/pJdD15R

[grizzled thicket]

and I'm about 5'8

[wheat sigil]

noice

[frail bloom]

Yeah I'm trying to lose some so I'm at a better base

And try to generally feel better about myself

[grizzled thicket]

I have litreally never comited to a bulk or like a full bulk I'm on a slihgt bulk always

I ate 4000 calories today tho

[frail bloom]

So far it's been all bulk but I'm having back issues😭

Gotta tone it down y'know

[grizzled thicket]

slow down with the progress and smaller weights would help

[grizzled thicket]

oop

[frail bloom]

Yeah that's been the general consensus

[grizzled thicket]

I lost like 10 kiols about half a year ago cause of y knee injusy

[grizzled thicket]

my friend got pain and he had to stop trainnig for half a year

[frail bloom]

Yeah I wanna be careful so when I'm older my bones don't fuse together😭

[grizzled thicket]

I was playing basketball with my friends

still have pain I never went to a doctor

and will not go

[frail bloom]

I mean I was talking generally cuz if you don't stretch or maintain your body it's gonna have a severe impact when you're older

[grizzled thicket]

ye

my peak squat was like 300 kiols and now it's like 200😭

I can shrug 130kg😭

[frail bloom]

I can't squat for nothin

I'm more a benching guy

[grizzled thicket]

did u ping the wrong on

[frail bloom]

The most I've squatted is 145 lb😭

[grizzled thicket]

as shrugs are traps

[grizzled thicket]

wait thats what 70 kg

[frail bloom]

Yes...

[grizzled thicket]

I can curl that....

and do dips whit it

[frail bloom]

Yeah squatting is literally the only thing I'm bad at

[vapid lodge]

bro the death animations of the slayer are the same like Eternal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXrsXYsiUgc

minute 6:30

Bruh...

[grizzled thicket]

I'm litreally the opposite

[frail bloom]

What's your bench?

[grizzled thicket]

I can only bench 135kg

I can do one arm lat pull down whit that

[frail bloom]

That's not bad in the slightest

[frail bloom]

I can only do 265 by 2

Pounds that is

[grizzled thicket]

yes but to my other stuff

[delicate grotto]

Meh, not a big deal. I get wanting something different though. Always possible for it to change. This build is months old.

[grizzled thicket]

thats like as much as me

[wheat sigil]

i'm more of a pull ups guy🗣️

[frail bloom]

But I'm 16 so when I grow up imma become the doom slayer

[oak temple]

Damn pre order cancelled

[vapid lodge]

glad to hear, hopefully they did improve a lot, which is what they did with the other ones

[grizzled thicket]

yeah my injuries have gept me back

[vapid lodge]

every doom reveal before the game was out was looking worse than the final version - which is amazing and they're not slacking

[frail bloom]

Ye im gonna step lightly and avoid that stuff, thank you for warning me tho

[grizzled thicket]

I do pull ups and lat pull down

[grizzled thicket]

I have just gotten injuries from eleswhere

but be careful

[frail bloom]

I see

[frail bloom]

Thank you man

[grizzled thicket]

no proplem!

[grizzled thicket]

I could monolog about it but I'm too lazy to type

[frail bloom]

No I understand, somewhat

Too much to put in one paragraph lol

[grizzled thicket]

first of all I'm finnish so I'm only goot at speaking and I'm slow typeing and it's 0:00 for me

[grizzled thicket]

yea and that

[frail bloom]

Im opposite, I have slurred speech but type pretty fast

[wheat sigil]

lat pulldown dookey

[frail bloom]

And I'm on an ipad😭

[grizzled thicket]

nah it's good for isolation

[grizzled thicket]

I'm on laptop

[frail bloom]

Well as long as you get your message across it doesn't really matter

Speech is more important tbh

[grizzled thicket]

I'm really bad at that though

[frail bloom]

What no I understand you perfectly

[grizzled thicket]

I'm a really good speaker and really aggresive and other stuff

[frail bloom]

That's how it should be

[weary current]

the death animations are definitely doom-esque still, so this ain't a problem for me lmao

[grizzled thicket]

like I can argue well

[wheat sigil]

dookey

[vapid lodge]

eh, I was hoping for glory kills from the demons, same like 2016

but since they mostly did not work on the standard ones, I guess its ok

but the animation is literally the same

[stray pollen]

Might have to do the hardest thing and avoid all recent footage of the game. I wanna experience it fresh when I get my hands on it

[vapid lodge]

yeah youre right, Ive been dealing with this and gave up...

its not that much what they've shown

[frail bloom]

Yeah it's like 5%

They're not lying when they say biggest most epic campaign

[vapid lodge]

22 levels

[stray pollen]

I've seen ign's video, mayos, a little but of allstins and hordes video. I got way too hyped than I wanted to be and forced myself to restrain my excitement by abstaining all new footage. I'm just really excited

[vapid lodge]

Eternal had 13 or 15 ?

[frail bloom]

13 base

19 if you count dlcs

Dark lord does not count

[wheat sigil]

so far i've avoided everything without trying xd

[grizzled thicket]

Imma go sleep now, GN

[frail bloom]

Gn

[cyan lotus]

1 minute level😢

[wheat sigil]

15 if you get bad rng instead

[cyan lotus]

There’s no RNG in the world that would make it 15 minutes

I mean assuming execution is optimal

[vapid lodge]

hot take, the bosses in this game could be wave after wave of projectiles until you get a weak point and attack

[frail bloom]

Speculation often leads to nowhere tbh

I have no clue

[vapid lodge]

yeah, agreed, but im just saying

we will return to this next month

[frail bloom]

All I know is that they'll test your movement and skills

As long as there's a fun zone, imma dive right in

[graceful lion]

some playtesters said the game is faster than doom eternal

[stray pollen]

Lol nice, I just wanted to peek but my god it looks glorious I had to stop

[frail bloom]

I believe them, the inputs they require you to do and it's not even 1/3 of the game😭

Like I'd say eternal slightly actually

But that may change in this 22 level campaign

Can get hectic in the endgame

[neon perch]

I love that the big gates in the Siege map clip through the hinges while opening.

It's very noticeable in the trailer and it's still there during gameplay. lol.

[frail bloom]

We don't talk about that

They've had a random sentinel floating in the small clips prior so they're prob gonna fix it

[earnest swift]

ITYD is apparently not in the game.
0/10

[vapid lodge]

ITYD ?

[weary current]

i'm too young to die me thinks

[vagrant path]

Yeah same

I mean I can do that till release right?

only a month and a bit

[weary current]

aspiring slayer sounds a lot more motivating though i'm ngl

[spare panther]

aspiring slayer is such a good rename especially since this game has a lot more of a focus on accessibility

[warm ibex]

yeah I'd imagine this is because cosmetics are coming back. Wouldn't be as much of a problem with texture swaps, but model change cosmetics would probably screw up death animations

(I know the convo is an hour old, just wanted to add my take)

and idk if any other previewer has mentioned this, but cosmetics are hidden across the levels in the same way that the toys are hidden. There was an inaccessible secret in level one that appeared as a paint brush on the map

[spare panther]

oh thats so cool

[graceful lion]

you can make it ITYTD

there are sliders after all

make your own "ITYTD"

[neon perch]

Yeah it's the one thing I'm flatout bummed out by. One of the things I liked about 2016 aesthetically is the variety of contextual player deaths- I mean, besides the basic 'trip and fall' animation that that game seems to love.

I was hoping they'd bring those back since the game's overall slower pace would accomodate it.

[neon perch]

I was actually lowkey hoping 64's difficulty names would make a return.

[vapid lodge]

yeah its fine either way, at least we get new story new lore new gameplay new amazing graphics

all the goodies man

[sterile sage]

Looking at some of the reviews, there is a criticism that the sandbox element is repetitive like a Ubisoft game.

[hazy mist]

I was going to say doom eternal was fast but the basic move speed itself wasn’t much

[delicate grotto]

That’s a difficult critique for them to support given they only experienced roughly 10% of the campaign.
To be fair… I can see it getting repetitive, but that’s why the Atlan and Dragon sections exist. Who knows what else we’ll come across. I’m sure there’s going to be levels with different formats.

[graceful lion]

in terms of things you have to press

[delicate grotto]

Actually, I think that’s already been confirmed. One of the 3 missions revealed is a non-linear siege map. You’re allowed to complete whichever area in any order.

[graceful lion]

slayer gonna skip allat and go to the final boss immediately lmfao

[sterile sage]

I don't know anything else, but I think the Dragon section really needs improvement. It's a part that all reviewers consistently criticize.

[delicate grotto]

Lmao, true. There’s probably something that prevents you from bee-lining to the end though.

[hazy mist]

I won’t be suprised if speedrunners find some insane movement tech from the shield dash

[delicate grotto]

Fair. General consensus is the combat is good, the Atlan is fun but the dragon riding is subpar. I don’t really know what people were expecting from its gameplay though. It’s about what I expected. I think it still looks fun and is fine for what it is. Maybe the devs could add a bit more mechanical depth to it.

[graceful lion]

or just the new railboost

[graceful lion]

well yeah what do u expect from flyin a dragon, its just shoot dodge and fly

they dID their best

or probably maybe doing the finishing touches aka making the drago good still

[delicate grotto]

Exactly my point. I guess it wasn’t going to mesh well with TDA regardless. The focus is the gunplay, so it’s always going to overshadow the “vehicle” sections of the game.

[graceful lion]

the reason they did this and invited these people is to see what people like or hate anout it in the comments

[sterile sage]

I just want the dragon to completely stop when shooting and fix the attacking motion.

[delicate grotto]

Yep. I still think it turned out alright. Like I said: What more could they have done with this idea? It’s a flying, cybernetic dragon. It shoots, it flies. Check and check. Allowing the player to fly it wherever would kind of break away from the game’s combat flow. It’s not open world in the first place.

[delicate grotto]

Yeah it could use some polish there I agree. Apparently the devs are already working on fixing the parrying windows with it.

[sterile sage]

I'm curious if the demo version is roughly the latest version

[delicate grotto]

I heard these playtests were back in January so I doubt it

[sterile sage]

If it's an old version, I think there's plenty of room for revision.

[delicate grotto]

If that’s the case that’s a good thing. Means they’ve got plenty of- yeah, exactly lol

[frail bloom]

They mentioned that it was base dragon with no upgrades so it'll probably get better as you progress the campaign

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s true. Curious to see what those upgrades are.

[harsh egret]

they apparently know that the dragon is the thing with the most criticism and they are working alot on it atm

[frail bloom]

Sweet!

[delicate grotto]

That’s pretty cool. It’s a sick idea. I’d love for it to live up to the expectations id wants it to.

[frail bloom]

In demand software I tell you

[sterile sage]

Is the demo play part right at the beginning of the whole game?

[frail bloom]

Yeah mostly

It's the first act of the game out of 3

Not the entire act of course

[sterile sage]

👍

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/sUyyIsV
Found the first easter egg, I think this was available in 2016 as well

Dopefish!

[frail bloom]

I heard 8 bit levels are coming back but I found that on a forum

[vapid lodge]

oh? damn

[frail bloom]

Ye from 2016

If that's true then I'm excited for that

Lol anyone who still thinks that the main menu theme is bland is just salty

[harsh egret]

it sounds amazing

[frail bloom]

I know but what can you do

I actually saw a good comment that sums it up

Lemme get the quote

[harsh egret]

The minority is often the loudest

[frail bloom]

"Admit it to yourself, you clearly never even wanted to be hyped for this. For whatever reason, you are clearly ideologically opposed to the mere existence and idea of this project that from day one, you had already wrote it off in your mind."

Pretty fire comback ngl

[harsh egret]

Pretty much

But to some its fun to be negative online for some attention

[vapid lodge]

drama again?

[harsh egret]

I have a friend who sorta wrote the game off but he doesn't go around posting dumb comments just cause he isnt that into it

[vapid lodge]

where popcorn?

[warm ibex]

Is there any chance you could link to some of those reviews? There was about 40 minutes of "sandbox" level, I don't think anyone played enough for it to get repetitive

[frail bloom]

Nope just salt

[harsh egret]

Lmao

[sterile sage]

I can't upload the link here

[harsh egret]

When it comes down to it most games are pretty repetitive ngl

[warm ibex]

understood! do you remember the creator's name?

[harsh egret]

Its bad if u just dont enjoy what it is ur doing

[warm ibex]

that's entirely fair

especially after playing a game for hundreds of hours

every game runs out of new content eventually

[harsh egret]

One of my friends played space marine 2 and he couldnt play more than a couple hours cause he found it repetitive asf

[vapid lodge]

Me with 2k hours in Eternal...

[harsh egret]

Yet alot of people liked the game so idk we r all different idk really

[warm ibex]

major respect lmao

[plain iron]

Not bethesda games. For some reason [modding community moment]

[harsh egret]

Not sure if anyone else saw the news but apparently the QA team for bethesda/zenimax or whatever went on strike and ngl my heart jumped for a sec

Apparently tho it seems like its heading in a positive direction atm so hopefully nothing will happen lmao

[vapid lodge]

Wait what???

for what reason they went on strike ?

[harsh egret]

"members have been actively pushing Microsoft for better wages, workplace improvements, and to address "key concerns, including a lack of remote work options and the company’s replacement of in-house quality-assurance work with outsourced labor without notifying the union."

[vapid lodge]

remote work has been a complaint since ever

but yeah I understand the wages part...

[harsh egret]

"Our in-house contractors have been working on minimal wages with no benefits, including no paid sick time. Workers are choosing not to start families because of the uncertainty of finances. We've released multiple titles while working fully remote. When will enough be enough?"

So yeah it seems pretty rough

[vapid lodge]

What I am wondering is does this have to do with id Software? were these QA's working on TDA?

[harsh egret]

Well yeah

[vapid lodge]

this is a known problem

in general I mean, even happening to me

[harsh egret]

Elder scrolls, fallout, doom, etc

[vapid lodge]

off topic even Elon Musk mentioned that the birth rate keeps decreasing, fast

globally

but the IT industry took a punch in the guts in the past 2 years, because of AI, and it happened to me and my coworkers from different jobs, literally fired because of AI

[harsh egret]

Yh that sucks major ass

[vapid lodge]

welcome to adult life

if you arent born in a rich family... have fun

[harsh egret]

Omw there very soon 😅

[weary current]

i'm hoping TDA doesn't get delayed because of this but man

[harsh egret]

It shouldn't

[vapid lodge]

kinda too late for that

actually never say never...

Cyberpunk was delayed so many times

[harsh egret]

The article post got an update a couple hrs ago saying that they apparently had an updated offer to the workers that if accepted, it would give the wage increases, extra benefits and and other changes and so on

So they prob will come to a conclusion very soon

[vapid lodge]

where did you find this

[harsh egret]

Gamespot

[delicate grotto]

The entertainment industry is one of the most corrupt you can work for. It’s really disgusting how employees are treated across the board. Unless you make a name for yourself, you don’t matter.

[harsh egret]

2nd article on their main page or smth

[vapid lodge]

you have no idea my friend

[delicate grotto]

I’m sure not. I’ve been wanting to game develop for years, but the more I learn about its workplace environment, the less I’m wanting to. I’d rather be an indie dev.

[vapid lodge]

I was literally hired as a contractor and in 1-2 months they closed the project

they closed the whole thing, after investing

[delicate grotto]

Geez

[vapid lodge]

and my recent job just fired around 150 people just for AI. They literally said this in a meeting

[sterile sage]

Founding......

[vapid lodge]

im tired of corporate shit

[delicate grotto]

I hate the push for AI models… Sure it’s a great tool if used right, but it should be used for advancement instead of substitution.

That’s my opinion anyways.

Seeing it used for art, of any kind, makes me despise it.

[formal root]

AI should be used as a tool

not something to replace those who work hard

[sterile sage]

I found it

[harsh egret]

Kek

[vapid lodge]

yeah it was already a problem for TDA if you know, someone kept using the trailer music and remade it with AI.

someone told Hugo and the team and removed it from youtube

that guy kept uploading it lol

[formal root]

lol

[harsh egret]

Bruh

[delicate grotto]

Didn’t know that, wow lol

[vapid lodge]

yeah its bs..

[warm ibex]

oh sweet, who is it

[sterile sage]

T H E G A M E R

Webzine

[warm ibex]

Thanks! I'll have to check those guys out. I'm more interested in seeing how they played and if their complaints have any real weight

[sterile sage]

thegamer.com/after-3-hours-with-doom-the-dark-ages-im-a-little-bit-worried/

[formal root]

huh

so people are not happy that the game has a big sandbox arena?

I don’t think that makes much sense

personally I’m loving that they are going more with exploration, kinda with like classic doom that it was big cause there was so many secrets to find

[thorny yarrow]

I've noticed an interesting thematic tie. Weather intentional or not it's still interesting.

The stand and fight philosophy is interesting because it is technically in Eternal. The Marauders are the stand and fight enemy of Doom Eternal. So it is very neat having the prequel game operate entirely on that concept, then over time, when the slayer gets more powerful and the events of Doom and Doom Eternal come to pass and he's flying all over the place, being a nightmare speed demon, he must return to his stand and fight style, the one he learned on Argent D'Nur, to fight and defeat Davoth. "Stand and fight, Slayer."

Just kinda cool. 🙂

[warm ibex]

checking out the article, I believe the previewer took the "stand and fight" mentality a bit too seriously

It's absolutely fine to play that way! But I strongly feel like most people will still be zipping around the arena and jumping around like crazy

most encounters support that style of play

[formal root]

dark ages goes back to classic doom style of play

and you moved around the map a lot in classic doom

of course, its fine to play stand a fight, but boy its gonna be difficult

[harsh egret]

From the many previews ive seen, it tends to seem like players didnt quite get to learn all the tools and stuff the way the main game will teach u when the game comes out?

Seems to me like people got put into segments of the game mostly

I could be wrong tho? Idk

[sterile sage]

I'm not worried about the sandbox itself, but I'm a little worried about the dragon. But I'll trust and wait because the development team says it's going to improve.

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah, I can definitely tell people were dropped straight in. The preview they played seems to only brief you on the weapons you pickup, like the Flail.

[hollow sandal]

True

[thorny yarrow]

I did catch one thing in some gameplay I saw, where it seems they felt a little too gung ho about the close range abilities by running straight up to a Mancubus, which true to form, punished him with a ground directed fire blast. So it's still not all get up in their grill.

[harsh egret]

Im sure its for story spoiler reasons as well but yeah, it seemed like they wanted to test people on if they can get the hang of the gameplay loop by themselves

Some did say that they caught on and understood things better especially towards their end of the 3-4 hrs

[frail bloom]

I feel like it's unfair to say that the gameplay is lacking in some sort of aspect because it's literally the 5th level out of 22

[sterile sage]

Only a few people seem to be dissatisfied.

[thorny yarrow]

Yeah this shit is gonna be a nice slow roasted meal. Plus they definitely want to do justice to the Slayer's origin.

[harsh egret]

All I think rn is that the general previews were amazing. The big criticism was on the dragon, and they already said they will keep working on it until release. Many things are subject to change based on feedback.

[formal root]

yeah I was worried about the dragon too

hope they add more gimmicks to it tbh

the mech section from what i’ve seen is pretty damn good

[frail bloom]

I'm also stating for the record that the gameplay was for the 5th level of the game which looks far more engaging than super gore nest. Whenever people think of eternal they think of blood swamps which is unfair because you have all your weapons, runes and demons unlocked

[harsh egret]

And remember that they gave previewers pretty surface-level stuff to play. And preview demos are not necessarily the same as the final game

[sterile sage]

I agree with you.

[formal root]

honestly I correlate eternal with cultist base/Doom Hunter base

[frail bloom]

Exactly but it seems like a foreign concept to some people

[frail bloom]

I mean the general consensus around eternals fast gameplay and mechanical synergy

[formal root]

ahhh okay okay

[frail bloom]

At least here if someone is worried you can alleviate their concerns in 2 seconds but youtube is genuinly a horrible platform to comment on cuz the notifications are so slow😭

[sudden arch]

Can someone tell me if the skins for the ultimate preorder is worth it?

[harsh egret]

If u like skins then sure?

[sudden arch]

I haven’t seen them.

[frail bloom]

Lol you get 2 day early access, digital soundtrack and artwork plus campagin dlc day one when it comes out

[harsh egret]

To me the skins are the last thing in the entire game ill care about

[frail bloom]

Plus the divinity skin pack

[formal root]

I’ll buy ultimate to have the dlc for free and you know

have the ost for infernal chasm

[frail bloom]

Infernal chasm is dipping our toes into the flaming pool that is the tda ost

At least from what I've heard

Main menu makes me wanna run through walls

[sterile sage]

Is the name of the dragon serrat?

[formal root]

yeah

Serrat

[harsh egret]

I think the main menu soundtrack raised most people expectations of the final ost

[formal root]

I still gotta hear it

[harsh egret]

I heard it for the first time i was like okei dude

[frail bloom]

it's in the music tab

[harsh egret]

Finishing move put it on their socials

[drowsy rock]

I'm hearing only good things about the early preview. Which curators are criticizing? And about what?

[formal root]

THE TITLE OF THE MAIN MENU MUSIC IS STRAIGHT OUT THE SLAYER TESTAMENTS???

[frail bloom]

Yes🔥

[harsh egret]

Dragon segments of the game is the main criticism, and they already adressed this, they are working on it alot until release.

[grizzled spoke]

Not the mech section too?

[frail bloom]

Is that a bad thing tho lol

[drowsy rock]

Yeah that's what IGN said too.

[frail bloom]

No it was really positive all around

And they are currently adressing the dragon combat so that's a relief

[warm ibex]

that's spot on! during the production of my preview I ended up cutting a segment where I discussed how I was given equipment and upgrades at an accelerated pace, often without tutorials. Some things were also already in my inventory when I started a new mission segment and I wasn't notified

[harsh egret]

No lol maybe i worded it wrong. People maybe didnt have very high expectations until they heard that one especially

[drowsy rock]

Heard pretty decent things about the mech side of the gameplay

[harsh egret]

Yeah that's good to know, ty!

[warm ibex]

no problem! I'm here to answer any questions I can, just @ me

[harsh egret]

So yall keep that in mind pls xd

[frail bloom]

Whaddya think?

[drowsy rock]

You played the game?

[warm ibex]

yeah!

[grizzled spoke]

You played? Nice! What is something that surprised you during the preview build?

[hollow sandal]

I'm hearing people say "quick switching is no longer a thing" how can that be? You're ble to quick switch in this game I imagjne

[near bane]

hey everyone, hope this question isn’t annoying. my computer mostly meets the recommended requirements for the new game, however it is a gaming laptop. could i run into any problems (due to the fact its a laptop) running the game at 60 fps 1080p? i’m bad at computer still and english isn’t my first language so help would be appreciated. (nvidia RTX 4060 8gb vram AMD ryzen 9)

[sterile sage]

Do you criticize the Dragon section?

[drowsy rock]

Sorry, if already answered but did you enjoy what you played? And how it is compared to eternal?

[warm ibex]

The natural implementation of the melee combat was a pleasant surprise. I was also fairly shocked by how much I enjoyed the mech combat, I didn't have high hopes going in

[harsh egret]

Seems to me like u should be fine-ish but dont expect high settings id say

[warm ibex]

Yeah, I didn't really care for the dragon at all

[grizzled spoke]

On melee, so does it initiate combat or is it mostly an ender of a combo? Or both?

[warm ibex]

No worries! I enjoyed it a ton, I had very few complaints overall. It's a very different beast so it's a bit hard to compare it to Eternal, they've done a spectacular job making TDA stand out on its own

[sterile sage]

Have they ever mentioned that they would fix the dragon section?

[harsh egret]

They said they are working on it uo until release

[drowsy rock]

Thanks for the reply man. I'm now even more hyped

[harsh egret]

So id not even care much for the previews on the dragon, id rather wait for reviews on what it is on launch

Imo

[hollow sandal]

Can someone speak on quickswitching? You can't do it in this game? Or is it pointless? Or what?

[drowsy rock]

Did you post your review somewhere? That i can go through?

[warm ibex]

you use the melee whenever you need to! melee strikes provide ammo and small amounts of health, so you strike enemies when you're in need of resources, immediate damage or a guaranteed falter

[prime sentinel]

From what we know it’s not in the game

[warm ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PLrSULM3bo

[harsh egret]

The game isnt built on quick switching from what i understood.

[grizzled spoke]

Ahh ok thats the information i need, thank you much appreciated.

[drowsy rock]

Thanks man.

[warm ibex]

The game is not built for quick switching. Swapping to a new weapon isn't incredibly fast and the combat itself is centered around continuous weapon fire

Even the slower weapons like the Reaver and Impaler are meant to be fired multiple times before switching

[grizzled spoke]

Oh…. Oh boy…. That one stings a bit

[formal root]

haven’t heard it

will do when I get home

[frail bloom]

I mean it is kinda like weapon switching is some way

[grizzled spoke]

I love swapping everything really fast

[frail bloom]

Gun to shield to melee to shield to gun

[prime sentinel]

Quick switching isn’t a thing in classic doom, in fact it’s really slow to change weapons in classic doom

[frail bloom]

It's own way of quickswitching

[drowsy rock]

Ngl never did switching in Eternal so it's better for me lol

[hollow sandal]

I suppose you're right

super shotgun, shield, steak gun

[warm ibex]

not necessarily! You're supposed to use the weapons, melee and shield at the same time

[grizzled spoke]

Don’t care much about classic doom anymore, thats 20 years ago.

[prime sentinel]

Yeah and it’s still the best game ever made

[warm ibex]

preach

[frail bloom]

Ofc it's not exact but you deal high dps, or whatever I'm trying to say

It's not just one weapon like 2016 double tap ssg

[hollow sandal]

As in simultaneously? I mean you have to switch? Right?

[prime sentinel]

Doom doesn’t need quick switching just like it doesn’t need double jumping

It’s not integral to the series

[warm ibex]

no switching necessary!

you use the shield in tandem with the guns

[harsh egret]

Love that

[hollow sandal]

I see, thanks

[warm ibex]

blocking, parrying and bashing will take you out of firing, but it's not like you're switching to something else. it's all one very fluid motion

[frail bloom]

Ah there's the distinction

[warm ibex]

you take a break from using both hands to just use one for a brief moment

[grizzled spoke]

Are there any precision weapons like the ballista or the sniper attachment in doom eternal? I think theres the spike gun but anything else?

[hollow sandal]

Rocket launcher

[grizzled spoke]

???

Lmao

[prime sentinel]

Long range isn’t really an option

[frail bloom]

He said precision

[prime sentinel]

You have to get up close with most weapons

[frail bloom]

Unless you're that skilled lol

[harsh egret]

The game will be focused on short/medium range

[hollow sandal]

Ok im an idiot thanks

[prime sentinel]

That’s what was said in one of the videos

[warm ibex]

there's no sniper scopes this time around and everything has a pretty noticeable drop off range

[prime sentinel]

Basically to force the player to use the new mechanics weapons were made much shorter range

[warm ibex]

the Rail Spike's Impaler variant is the only sniper-ish weapon

[grizzled spoke]

I see

[prime sentinel]

Why even get close to the tyrant to parry him when you can stand far away and shoot him?

Thus a short range weapon roster

[warm ibex]

the tyrant has a sort of marauder thing going on when it comes to distance, not sure if that's been mentioned

[prime sentinel]

It’s a more subtle “fun zone” design

[winter idol]

ball and chain also seemed somewhat longer range

[harsh egret]

Seemed pretty short/medium range to me

[sterile sage]

Is there any information about ahzrak?

[warm ibex]

it's longer range at maximum charge but not pin-point, it does crowd damage

[hollow sandal]

Yea thanks

Thank you

[frail bloom]

It's okay it happens to all of us

Especially me

[winter idol]

yea makes sense

[warm ibex]

Didn't get to see him too much, but here's what I said about him yesterday afternoon "Ahzrak isn't some Dark Lord type threat, he's the acting leader that's been tasked with commanding Hell at the current moment. He's cocky, arrogant and already seems to be getting ahead of himself"

[grizzled spoke]

Ngl that response made me spit out my drink a bit. Lol it was funny

[winter idol]

oh ok so a stand in for the dark lord

[warm ibex]

I get the impression that he impressed someone in hell's elite

so he's in charge because he's either entitled to the role (as in an heir) or he impressed the right person

[winter idol]

or powerful enough

[sterile sage]

Dark Lord and ahzrak are not of the same rank, right?

[vocal grotto]

And to keep the player leashed to the hordes as well

[warm ibex]

definitely not

[prime sentinel]

also one thing I really noticed was the rhythm of combat

It reminded me a lot of classic doom, where, with the ssg versus a hell knight for example there’s this dance where you go in and out attacking, waiting for when you can next attack while backing out and dodging projectiles

[obsidian shard]

The music🥵

[prime sentinel]

I noticed that this really seems to have that cadence to it

[obsidian shard]

It's so good

[frail bloom]

I KNOW

Absolute peak

It and hell walker are tied to me

[obsidian shard]

Today's Teaser Blew It out of the Park

I really enjoyed the last two but the new one is something else

[harsh egret]

i heard it i was like bro..

[prime sentinel]

Yes that menu theme fucking rocks

[obsidian shard]

Like holy

[frail bloom]

And the melody was haunting as well

Genuine goosebumps

[obsidian shard]

Unchained Predator and Infernal Chasm are Fucking good(We haven't heard all of it), But the New one is HOLY FUCK

[frail bloom]

To me unchained predator and infernal chasm are hype tracks but this new one is like the meat of the ost experience

[obsidian shard]

Exactly

DOOM (2016) and Eternal had the Same thing tho

[harsh egret]

reminds me of the hellwalker from 2016

[frail bloom]

That's what I'm saying!

[harsh egret]

from the main menu

[frail bloom]

And rust, dust and guts

Could be a reference who knows

[obsidian shard]

The MEAT of 2016 was Hellwalker, BFG Division, Rip and Tear, Dust and Guts
Eternal was TOTTFIY, Meathook, Cultist Base and SGN

The Rest of the OST is Good but they aren't THE MEAT

[frail bloom]

That's why I'm excited! In the 22 levels we'll get we are gonna have a wide variety!

[harsh egret]

yeah ik exactly what u mean xd

[obsidian shard]

EXACTLY, MORE MEAT

[harsh egret]

gonna be great

[frail bloom]

This main menu theme is already one of them goats

[obsidian shard]

Finishing Move is KILLING IT

[obsidian shard]

Already top 5 DOOM Tracks for me Lmao

[frail bloom]

Honestly I agree

[frail bloom]

I was humming it the whole day

[obsidian shard]

I keep doing that For Infernal Chasm, the Main riff is really Catchy

Dawg

[frail bloom]

Unchained predator reminds me of deep into the code

[harsh egret]

brother?

[frail bloom]

Not as a reference but energy

[obsidian shard]

There's quite a few Callbacks in the New OST I hear

So far

[frail bloom]

What does this have to do with anything?

[harsh egret]

wrong place broski

[prime sentinel]

One track I heard has an into Sandy’s city reference

[warm ibex]

There's another track that I really can't wait for you guys to hear. I don't believe it's been featured in any public preview/trailer yet, but it's genuinely one of my favorite Doom tracks period

[frail bloom]

There is apparently a into sandys city reference with harpsichord

[frail bloom]

AAUUUGHGHGH YES

Two iconic tracks now

[prime sentinel]

I heard a full on guitar riff referencing it

[obsidian shard]

Mr Gaming is it by chance that one song from that one level

[frail bloom]

My shadows are lengthening

[warm ibex]

Dude no way, that's it

[frail bloom]

What a legendary comment lol

[harsh egret]

WOAH

How did u know

[obsidian shard]

Absolute DOOM

[frail bloom]

Dooming all over yknow

[prime sentinel]

Glad to see people finally giving Finishing Move a chance

[hollow sandal]

Put ya shlick away waltuh...

[obsidian shard]

I'm DOOMing it

[harsh egret]

yh i really think its starting now especially with the main menu song now revealed

[frail bloom]

I have since reveal, It reminded me of kitchen ace or hiding the secrets, in terms of energy

Unchained predator and infernal chasm that is

[obsidian shard]

I've been Defending them Since the Reveal

Like LET THEM COOK

[harsh egret]

yup

[warm ibex]

Actually here's a very brief preview of the track I'm talking about, it starts at 14:59 on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm506WJfmVU

[spare panther]

ever since i heard unchained predator i kinda loved them more than mick ngl

[fleet spruce]

I was sold on finishing move when I heard music from direct and gameplay sizzle personally

[harsh egret]

fuck yeah thats good

[obsidian shard]

Their music Sounds so good on my Speakers

[prime sentinel]

Dude why the fuck does discord open YouTube links in safari now and not the YouTube app like it used to what the fuck

[warm ibex]

I think you can change the default browser in the settings

[frail bloom]

Very groovy

I wanna hear the one from the direct with the titan rising

[prime sentinel]

But it was working just fine literally yesterday lol

[warm ibex]

that's wacky lol

[fleet spruce]

Discord spaghetti

[warm ibex]

that sounded great, hoping they post that one soon

[frail bloom]

Ye very majestic sounding

Can't wait to see other instruments they'll use

[neon perch]

The music is mixed so shittily in every video I come across.

Almost inaudible.

[prime sentinel]

The clips were provided without music

[neon perch]

If the OST is so good then they aren't doing it much justice.

[harsh egret]

some people did say it blended too much with the game sounds

[prime sentinel]

The only ones with music were the parts they got to record

Which was 10 minutes of each

[warm ibex]

and the music was turned down significantly

[harsh egret]

actually @warm ibex thats one thing i was wondering and i forgot if u mentioned it, but some ppl said the music blended too much with the sounds of the game itself, how did u find it

[stone hedge]

Cant wait to feel like an ultra deadly Captain America in the dark ages 😂

[harsh egret]

i thought honestly they should just turn up the music volume

it did not sound like they tried to do that lol

[prime sentinel]

in the Digital Foundry video they use B-Roll provided by Id that literally has NO MUSIC (so content creators can put their own in) as an example of the music "blending in" or "not being as impactful" and it kinda upset me because it misrepresents what you hear in other videos

[warm ibex]

music volume was turned down automatically, I'm like 90% sure that's something they did specifically for the press demo so that it wouldn't be audible during preview videos

[obsidian shard]

Wanna Keep it a secret more

[prime sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWImGpDuCew&ab_channel=CheckpointGaming

this is a lot closer to what it will actually be like

[harsh egret]

yeah that makes sense tbh

[prime sentinel]

and imo the music is loud enough where you can hear it perfectly fine

[frail bloom]

VRRROOOOOMM🔥 🔥

[harsh egret]

yeah thats more like it

[prime sentinel]

maybe this person went into settings and turned it up but who knows

[warm ibex]

yeah that's a solid possibility

[prime sentinel]

it sounds just fine to me here though

[warm ibex]

I know I personally didn't mess with anything but keybinds (before I switched to controller) and sensitivity settings

[harsh egret]

BRO

[frail bloom]

It just sucks cuz the confusion always results in widespread confusion

[harsh egret]

1:42 THE MUSIC HELLO

its so fuckin good

[frail bloom]

Lemme hear

[prime sentinel]

at 2:00 into sandy's city starts

and it fucking rocks

[warm ibex]

I didn't even notice that, very good catch dude

[harsh egret]

dude yeah no im sold on the music

as if i wasnt before

[prime sentinel]

this specific gameplay really sold me on the game, like seeing non curated footage here

you can really get a feel for what actually playing will be like

even if this dude isn't the best, this will probably be how I play the first few hours lol

[warm ibex]

oh that's another thing! I play Eternal on max controller sensitivity settings and did the same for TDA, I thought it was a bit slow. There was less camera control settings overall and I really hope that was just for the demo. It needs to have more than Eternal, not less

[fleet spruce]

May can't come soon enough

[frail bloom]

AAUUUGH IT'S SO GRITTY

🔥 🔥

[copper torrent]

Somebody posted 1 hour of Nightmare footage. Can't find the video right now but look it up

[prime sentinel]

weird because they could only record 10 or 15 minutes (I forget which)

[harsh egret]

Draqu did i think

[prime sentinel]

so it has to be a compilation

[harsh egret]

he had an hr vid today but i already saw his stream

[warm ibex]

Nah, I'm fairly certain he had a special deal

[prime sentinel]

really?

[copper torrent]

Yeah Draqu

[prime sentinel]

wow that's awesome

I'll have to watch it

[warm ibex]

Some people got to do special things. One guy was interviewing hugo/marty while everyone was roaming around the event lobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-w473eFVEY

[harsh egret]

i saw ign and those guys have interview footage yeah

is there any more?

[prime sentinel]

@warm ibex sorry if you already answered this but how early did you percieve the Siege mission to be in the game?

all this is from the "first act" I remember hearing

so somewhere in the first 7 levels presumably

[weary current]

they mentioned a dude named colin who helped work on the cinematics, isn't that Colin Geller who was a concept artist on Eternal or smth

[woven jolt]

in an interview, Hugo said Novik's daughter will kill him at the end of the game ||just kidding||

[warm ibex]

I believe it's either level four or five (depending on how mech levels are counted)

[weary current]

lmao

[frail bloom]

Oh man spoiler

[harsh egret]

[copper torrent]

Btw, is Novik dead by the time of Eternal?

[prime sentinel]

probably the first big open ended level right?

[warm ibex]

yeah that's right

[vapid lodge]

btw they confirmed that TDA is not the last DOOM game and they will not focus on Quake

[harsh egret]

yeap

[frail bloom]

Not for a while lol

[vapid lodge]

Marty said it in an interview with IGN

[prime sentinel]

why would they focus on Quake when it is effectively just Doom by a different name?

[harsh egret]

hugo said he would be happy to make doom games for the rest of his career

[delicate grotto]

This right here lol

[harsh egret]

and im all in

[frail bloom]

Very true, but me like shambler

[obsidian shard]

and making a new Quake game wouldnt make as much money

[prime sentinel]

they can just fold literally all of the stuff from quake into Doom and it will work

[vapid lodge]

who knows? people keep asking for quake, idk

[copper torrent]

Turn Doom into the next Assassins Creed

Doom Cinematic Universe

[vapid lodge]

me personally ? they can sell shit and name it DOOM and I will buy it

[harsh egret]

oh brother

[warm ibex]

Kahlim, level I didn't get to play, Hebeth (slayer), Hebeth (Atlan), Dragon/Slayer level, then Siege. So really either level five or six

[weary current]

hugo da bean

[prime sentinel]

now, the Strogg stuff, I could see another game done of, but Quake 1's stuff, which is what people really want, would work in Doom, especially TDA (which is said to have lovecraftian stuff anyway)

[winter idol]

they said in an interview that they wouldnt do quake, at least not any time soon, from what it sounds like they are already planning their next doom game

[prime sentinel]

Doom The Bright Ages

[frail bloom]

Better be the slayers testaments

[vapid lodge]

Victorian Ages

[obsidian shard]

I mean Seaphim is Turning into Cathulu

[frail bloom]

I wanna fight balgaar and champion titan

[winter idol]

yea it will probably be post eternal

[prime sentinel]

bloodborne doom would be fucking awesome 😭

[vapid lodge]

Actually it could be Eternal sequel

[harsh egret]

they said they wanna leave room for more between this and 2016

[vapid lodge]

since Samur is still alive

[copper torrent]

Doom The Enlightened Ages

[obsidian shard]

YES

[copper torrent]

Doom Renaissance

[harsh egret]

so id not be surprised with another prequel after this one

[winter idol]

yea but hugo said that would be a comic, not a full game

[harsh egret]

sequel of the prequel

wait really

[prime sentinel]

I could see TDA ending on a cliffhanger

[copper torrent]

Doom The Industrial Revolution

[vapid lodge]

thats 2016 isnt it ?

[winter idol]

yea, he said theres a story there but not a big enough one

[weary current]

comic??? oh i would so be down for that

[woven jolt]

@warm ibex this wasn't confirmed anywhere, but I feel like the enemy spawns were decreased for the demo and will actually be different in the release, just a feeling I have because lots of spaces were empty

[harsh egret]

yeah that sounds great

[frail bloom]

Mono's theory is that it's dlc is the civil war

[vapid lodge]

Personally I dont like these gaps between games, I want full streamlined story

[winter idol]

its old so it could have changed but i highly doubt that we will get anything between 2016 and eternal

i mean, its doom

its "story" isnt super complex and things change between games

[vapid lodge]

Like for example, tha f happened to Samuel Hayden when he was a robot? What destroyed him? The Slayer I hope

[harsh egret]

yeah often demos arent representative of final products and things can change a lot comparetively

[prime sentinel]

I think they meant between TDA and 2016

[copper torrent]

That stuff is in the codex

[prime sentinel]

which there is a lot of room for stories

[delicate grotto]

The only thing that concerns me about making more Doom games consecutively is franchise burnout. There’s a lot of creative routes to take DOOM, but trying to top each game without much of a break between development cycles seems like it’ll lead to feature creep.

[woven jolt]

yeah, plus the main menu was changed for the demo

[prime sentinel]

and I really would not be surprised to get a sequel to TDA

[winter idol]

theres literally nothing there, thats what dark ages is, leads right into 2016 per hugos own words

[warm ibex]

There weren't nearly as many empty spaces in the earlier levels, so either you're right or the more "sandbox" styled levels are just lacking here and there

[prime sentinel]

no? he already confirmed it doesn't end with the coffin

[frail bloom]

Ye I'm a bit worried about that too

[vapid lodge]

Next game would be Slayer finding Ranger

[winter idol]

then thats probably in the dlc

[frail bloom]

But they spend ample time on these so who knows

[warm ibex]

*leads into the 2016 Slayer's testaments

[harsh egret]

he said its not in the dlc either

[vapid lodge]

Also good opportunity for Invasion mode now ? for TDA ?

[woven jolt]

or the sandbox levels were the only ones modified

[delicate grotto]

You think we’ll see the wretch in this game, finally

[winter idol]

i extremely doubt we will be getting anything pre eternal after dark ages

[winter idol]

whenmpst?

[copper torrent]

Cold take: they have to milk this prequel stage because of how bad TAG story was

[woven jolt]

@winter idol Hugo said the story will not end how 2016 begins, he said that will prevent anymore future medieval stories

[harsh egret]

id have to look through 500 doom vids to find where he said that

[prime sentinel]

idk they said they're leaving room for lots of stories between TDA and Eternal

iirc

[delicate grotto]

Lmao. I think they just kind of wrote themselves into a corner with TAG 2, so I can see it.

[weary current]

which leads to one question: how long did the slayer even serve with the sentinels? i'm kinda curious on this

[winter idol]

huh, i missed that one

[warm ibex]

"Not yet," Martin said of the Slayer getting locked away. "I mean, that would end the Dark Ages, the medieval chapter of the Doom saga. This is kind of like the Chronicles of the Slayer.

So if we took it all the way to that point, then that would mean that we couldn't tell any more medieval stories. And I'm not announcing projects or anything other than to just say it's better to leave it open."

here's the direct quote

[harsh egret]

they specifically said that ending the game where 2016 begins would end the medieval saga of the slayer, and they dont wanna do that

[frail bloom]

I'm not sure honestly, it depends on which testament it ends on

[slender onyx]

the DLC will probably end like doom 64, with doomguy getting stuck in hell after having to watch the night sentinels get slaughtered

[vapid lodge]

If Hugo stops making DOOM games for whatever reason - Im not buying DOOM anymore ( I know he said he wont )

[prime sentinel]

that's goofy

[weary current]

ending the same way it begins lmao

i don't think that's what gonna happen though

[prime sentinel]

that's like refusing to play Id games after romero left, or carmack

[frail bloom]

Cuz we're not getting the tower falling or the champion titan

[prime sentinel]

change will be necessary one day and I welcome it

[woven jolt]

@warm ibex it would actually make sense for them to decrease the enemy spawns in the sandbox for the demo because they'd probably want players to try out all the exploration and different pathways and other encounters without spending too much time on one area

[delicate grotto]

I thought that too- but then you also gotta consider how long the war between the sentinels and Hell lasted. Unless it jumps around a ton, I doubt we’ll get to that point. Unless the game takes place much, much later in the war than expected.

[harsh egret]

hugo is pretty special in the gaming space, at least in my eyes. so replacing him will be veeeery big shoes to fill

[delicate grotto]

Yeah true

[vapid lodge]

Wouldnt it be Poetic if they would include the Slayer either waking up or being trapped in the Sarcophagus?

Like the other 2 games? It would be nice, at least that's what I thought before they confirmed it wont be like this

[prime sentinel]

I don't think you should get too attached to someone's online curated personality

[frail bloom]

Since it's literally the 5th level outta 22 I bet it get's way more hectic later on

[slender onyx]

i'd really like it that if they show the fall of argent d'nur they would give it a vibe like the eclipse from berserk
just this heartbreaking and soul shattering moment of the forces of hell having their victory and filling the main guy with pure rage

[winter idol]

yea that makes sense, they seem to always like to leave big gaps between games so they can change shit around

[prime sentinel]

not that I don't like Hugo Martin

[harsh egret]

lol not what i meant

[copper torrent]

Losing Hugo would be tough, he's a gem

[harsh egret]

i just mean the work he does, and i have come to learn a bunch about him and his impact on these games

he is the goat

[frail bloom]

Yes if they are focusing on a story, go all out as long as it's good

[vapid lodge]

I really wanna meet him man, or even talk to him.

[copper torrent]

But he inst likely to leave, Stratton is the boss and they're friends

[harsh egret]

same, the dude seems awesome

[vapid lodge]

I gotta do it since I was lucky enough to talk to Romero IRL

[woven jolt]

apparently, we meet Valen's son in dark ages also

[slender onyx]

hugo martin is just so important to what doom is now that just getting rid of him randomly would be stupid

[slender onyx]

i genuinely can't wait for that bro

[vapid lodge]

Almost died when I met Romero, what a guy... legend

[prime sentinel]

I don't think they're gonna get rid of him lol, I think one day he will have to leave

[winter idol]

hugo will leave when he gets sick of his job

[prime sentinel]

now hopefully, and probably, we have many many years of him working with Id

[winter idol]

which from the sounds of it, isnt any time soon

[slender onyx]

i want to fucking SUFFER when they trick valen and put him in the icon of sin

[weary current]

is he gonna be the fourth ally or smth, alongside novik, thira, & valen

[vapid lodge]

Nah he gonna live for.. eternity?

[harsh egret]

he said he is down to make doom games for the rest of his career so he is chilling

[prime sentinel]

but I don't think we should discount that game dev is a team effort, and Id is an incredibly talented team

[woven jolt]

no idea

[harsh egret]

ofc

[slender onyx]

exactly

[prime sentinel]

and I think when he leaves, the team he leaves will still be completely capable of making brilliant games

[weary current]

that scene is gonna break most of the entire fandom IF that's included here

[copper torrent]

I don't see him leaving at all unless Microsoft does some crazy stuff. Otherwise Id and Bethesda are very stable, they love him and he loves his job

[winter idol]

yea but a team always needs a strong leader, regardless of how good they are

[slender onyx]

i really hope they put doomguy's night sentinel team as characters at the front and center
i want them to be as important as doomguy and valen, they deserve it

[winter idol]

microsoft seems mostly hands off, which is for better or worse with some games

[vapid lodge]

imagine making a game that is not woke, doesn't do bs like ubisoft, doesnt repeat like Call of duty, doesnt die like other shit games and doesn't rely on AI / DLSS bs to make the game run ok-ish

[warm ibex]

I do wanna point out that, unless this was stated by Hugo during an interview, there's no real confirmation on that at the moment

[slender onyx]

make them like the band of the hawk of the doom universe pretty much

[prime sentinel]

"is not woke" alright...

[harsh egret]

l m a o

[vapid lodge]

Doom will never be

[weary current]

[obsidian shard]

Bro can people Stop saying Andy Strider "The New Mick Gordon" Like dude ai is not good

[prime sentinel]

doom is totally woke, I saw the sliders and the women

[weary current]

are we bringing that up again

[woven jolt]

youtuber named Midnight spoke to Hugo about it

[harsh egret]

b-but... THERES SLIDERSS..

[warm ibex]

okay cool! nice to know

[vapid lodge]

DOOM is an example of what all games should be

[obsidian shard]

And WOMEN

[harsh egret]

NOOOOOOOOO

[delicate grotto]

Hugo mentioned the idea of a female slayer. I can only imagine the outrage from a certain group of people if that were to happen, lmao.

[copper torrent]

Doom now has a female commander. The kings daughter, not a princess, a commander talking your ear off. Doom is literally woke now

[prime sentinel]

games should be different 🙂

[vapid lodge]

not adding Snoop Dogg in COD and killing enemies with smoke...

imagine doing that in DOOM LOL

[prime sentinel]

not all games should be like Doom

[slender onyx]

honestly a lot of the backlash to TDA just proofs that a bunch of nu doom fans straight up have not played the original games

[warm ibex]

🗣️🔥

[prime sentinel]

The Last of Us Part 2 is one of my favorite games ever, so is Doom Eternal

games should be different

there should be variety, I don't want everything to be like Doom

[winter idol]

otherwise you get a concord situation

[delicate grotto]

Very true. It irks me.

[vapid lodge]

not everything has to be like DOOM, what I meant was the practices that are being used when making a game

[delicate grotto]

Those are Doom Eternal fans, not Doom fans lol

[woven jolt]

there's a rumor that Thira will be a love interest, I hope not, but if it's true, it better be subtle and not in our face cause I don't want romance in doom lol

[slender onyx]

the people that insist on TDA being "woke" will end up manifesting doomguy being gay or something /j

[vapid lodge]

lol

[prime sentinel]

all games should (and most do, even if unsuccessful) try to be good games on their own merits

[vapid lodge]

exactly

[winter idol]

the backlash was like an insignificant number of people, i never even saw one of them, only posts bashing them, which is a good thing

[prime sentinel]

I would be down for the Slayer husband reveal

[weary current]

i don't think any of the devs said anything about that, i could be wrong though

[vapid lodge]

I want Isabelle in TDA

[prime sentinel]

honestly would prefer it to the generic "my wife and kids were killed by demons 😦 "

[vapid lodge]

or RIOT

[prime sentinel]

in terms of slayer back story

[copper torrent]

Romance in Doom. absolutely insane

[woven jolt]

some people talked about a certain cutscene which sort of implied something

[delicate grotto]

Nah, it fits. You’ll see

[vapid lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-gif-25596918

[haughty idol]

I hear her name is somethings like crash

[warm ibex]

love interest for the guy that doesn't speak and is presumably under mind control for most of the game? lol

[vapid lodge]

the only romance I want is the one above

[delicate grotto]

There is romance in Doom. The love for guns.

[slender onyx]

bisexual himbo doomguy with a cool demon slaying twink bf, hell yeah (totally not self inserting here) /j

[prime sentinel]

doom slayer has an argument with his husband about adopting and after that the hell invasion starts, he never got the chance to make up with his husband before the invasion and that's why he hates the demons

[weary current]

i can hear doomguy just going "UNF" when he's supposed to say "rip...?"

[vapid lodge]

Please do not add romance with Thira

remove it if you are reading this

[earnest swift]

There’s no way in hell there’s 22 maps in this campaign.

[harsh egret]

they wont

[slender onyx]

nah thira gonna be like a bestie

[vapid lodge]

there are

[slender onyx]

totally

[prime sentinel]

I think TDA's story will be a lot more about the politics of the sentinels and the maykrs' war

[earnest swift]

"Eternal" had, what, 20, across all 3 of its campaigns?

[weary current]

horde mentioned something about there being nothing like that in the press demo, though

[delicate grotto]

It’s been confirmed
Gonna be one Hell of an experience for sure.

[prime sentinel]

from what I heard about the cutscenes

[vapid lodge]

20 with DLCs

[harsh egret]

2 of them were only bossfight levels

[earnest swift]

Isn’t it just one?

[vapid lodge]

I can't wait to see Hugo's favorite level, he said he can't disclose it yet lol

[harsh egret]

depends what u count

[delicate grotto]

20 if we’re generous. Actual levels, 18.

[slender onyx]

nu doom fans when they find out the classic games had up to 30 levels

[winter idol]

classic levels that were light years easier to make

[prime sentinel]

32 in doom 2, 36 in ultimate doom

[delicate grotto]

Okay but to be fair.. those games weren’t nearly as detailed or technologically advanced.

[harsh egret]

he talked about the mech or/and the dragon having the craziest boss battle they made yet or smth

[slender onyx]

fair enough

[prime sentinel]

yeah you need whole art teams for individual levels nowadays

[vapid lodge]

btw I heard they added classic levels again in TDA, like 2016

[earnest swift]

And also iirc significantly shorter.

[prime sentinel]

back then you just drew lines

[delicate grotto]

I could make a classic doom level in a day if I wanted to

[prime sentinel]

I would love that, would fit this game way more than 2016

[winter idol]

oh i liked those secrets

[prime sentinel]

in terms of gameplay

[delicate grotto]

Yes
Those were my favorite secrets in 2016.

[gilded lake]

all of my friend's night sentinel headcanons are about to get wrecked o7 o7 o7

[warm ibex]

they cut the multiplayer and additional modes for a reason!

[deep vessel]

You guys think we will need to connect to our bethesda account like in eternal for dark ages

[earnest swift]

What additional modes? "Eternal" had nothing of the sort.

[vapid lodge]

I dont think Invasion would be a thing later right?

[gilded lake]

horde mode

[winter idol]

battlemode, horde mode

[warm ibex]

Horde Mode, 2016 had Arcade mode and SnapMap

[fleet spruce]

It's so funny to me when people call TDA woke because that kinda shit is reserved for games like DA Veilguard

[prime sentinel]

calling any game woke is fucking stupid :p

[earnest swift]

Battlemode is MP

[vapid lodge]

People who criticize anything before they get their hands on it, literally have room temperature IQ

[harsh egret]

using that word unironically is stupid

[winter idol]

unironically using the word woke means you have a low IQ

[vapid lodge]

exactly what I said above lol

[winter idol]

glad we are all on the same page :)

[prime sentinel]

this conversation happens in here every 3 minutes

[delicate grotto]

They would have to develop the game with that in mind, I’d assume. If it wasn’t planned from the beginning then I doubt it’ll be implemented later.
Pretty sure that’s why invasion failed with Eternal. It wasn’t built with that system in mind.

So a lot of implementation issues occurred.

[earnest swift]

Also 5 people cared about Battlemode to begin with.

[deep vessel]

I wish they would close the mp for eternal

[earnest swift]

Which is a damn shame.

[delicate grotto]

Fair lol

[weary current]

i'm kinda relieved now that the story will be mostly night sentinel war stuff, now that i think about it, i do not think the devs mentioned anything likened to the above at all

[obsidian shard]

@warm ibex you shouldve changed your Name To Horse Mode Gaming for April Fools

[vapid lodge]

lmfao

[slender onyx]

people who do that just want to speak in nothing but slurs most of the time

[warm ibex]

Not a bad idea

[vapid lodge]

Midnight should have been Daylight

[harsh egret]

[weary current]

[harsh egret]

[obsidian shard]

And made non clickbait content

[vapid lodge]

[warm ibex]

🏇

[vapid lodge]

loool

[harsh egret]

hahahah

[slender onyx]

i genuinely can't wait to know more about argent d'nur's history and how their society works

[obsidian shard]

Peak

[slender onyx]

that's gonna be so much fun

[obsidian shard]

Under the Mayo, more Like Over The Ketchup

[deep vessel]

Mayo is cool tho

[harsh egret]

yep, with what we know so far we are barely scratching the surface

[vapid lodge]

saving this as a screenshot till I get the chance to show it to you years later xD

[obsidian shard]

Naw More like Early Morning

[warm ibex]

High Noon

[haughty idol]

He should do that for his april fools video next year

[delicate grotto]

His opinions are interesting…

[obsidian shard]

Genius

[vapid lodge]

Anyway so doom is shit

[harsh egret]

yeah i agree tbh

i was lying for april fools til now

[charred acorn]

did Activision do anything in TDA?

[obsidian shard]

Ya, Ovenwatch is better

[harsh egret]

what

[delicate grotto]

?

[vapid lodge]

HUH

[winter idol]

i dont watch any doom content creators, I prefer to absorb the information for myself

[haughty idol]

Oh wait he already did that
https://youtu.be/Q2_Xl4LXZxs?si=njEumsFQm3D_U_uB

[slender onyx]

doom is ABSOLUTELY not my favorite game franchise of all time, no way

[deep vessel]

You guys think we will need our bethesda account for TDA too

[vapid lodge]

Yeah they will add Snopp Dogg and make glory kills with blunts and smoke demons

[obsidian shard]

He lied

[deep vessel]

I wanna preorder tho

[charred acorn]

so, why TDA is in Battle.net client?

[winter idol]

doubtful, no online mode, maybe only for in game skin rewards

[obsidian shard]

I want to be loved

[haughty idol]

To be fair it was three days before april first so maybe he just accidentally uploaded it early

[vapid lodge]

he is right

[charred acorn]

bethesda account? I only have blizzard account

[harsh egret]

for fun idk, to have it available on more platforms

[obsidian shard]

Because Xbox Own Blizzard

[vapid lodge]

please do yourself a favor and buy it on Steam

[winter idol]

yea xbox owns blizzard now so

[charred acorn]

maybe the only reason is the microsoft stuff?

[deep vessel]

Eternal mp sucks I want it closed lool

[obsidian shard]

Yoo Jimmy Guess what

[harsh egret]

its so they can add doomslayer skin to doomfist

in overwatch

[charred acorn]

is uppercut nerfed?

[haughty idol]

Soldier 76

[harsh egret]

fk if i know, i play it to meme with friends a couple times a week

[obsidian shard]

Your name is so long Holy

[harsh egret]

but doom collab would be so sick

[delicate grotto]

Had potential.
I remember when people were hyping it up to be the next big esports game. Lmao.

[haughty idol]

Bout as long as discord will let me

[vapid lodge]

hopefully 3080ti runs the game at at least 144 fps. I can't go back to 60

[charred acorn]

so, will TDA be in Liquipedia?

[harsh egret]

some devs said they are literally making the game on 3080s so ur good xd

[vapid lodge]

really? where? interesting

[barren iron]

it'll be interesting to see how it runs with DLSS

[harsh egret]

i have zero idea i just remember that

[vapid lodge]

bro this discord update is so bad im lagging when im typing wtf...

[harsh egret]

it was months ago

u just gotta trust me

[warm ibex]

Not from my preview, but you can change the HUD face. One option is likely to diable it, not sure what the other one is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182151938314358856/1356804931666968656/a-brief-look-into-the-doom-the-dark-ages-accessibility-v0-i6vl6iuciase1.png?ex=67ede68f&is=67ec950f&hm=30fac987b9349c63c1d6fe94db762036411e761a8653cc5b9c64eca5d453563d&

[vapid lodge]

its the internet, ofc I trust it

[harsh egret]

maybe a bloody version where he goes all bloody on low hp 👀

[prime sentinel]

Damn there should only be an option to make it bigger lmao

[obsidian shard]

Classic or The Feature Less one

[vapid lodge]

im definitely adding HUGO as a mod

[delicate grotto]

I’m hoping the base consoles it releases on can run it at a solid 60fps. I bought a PS5 simply for this game. Been holding out on that investment until I had enough games I wanted to check out. TDA finally pushed me to buy it. Would suck if it ends up running like shit on it lol.

[prime sentinel]

I love the HUD face

[harsh egret]

mightve been allstin actually in one of his vids from a couple months ago now that i think of it

[vapid lodge]

Imagine Hugo's face in the HUD