the-dark-ages

[obsidian shard]

I NEED A PLUSH OF IT NOW

[prime sentinel]

The idea that you can win an argument with someone who clearly wants a fight through logic never works, especially on certain kinds of people

[plain iron]

God the plush would be scuffed 😭

[obsidian shard]

IDC I NEEEEED IT

[prime sentinel]

Same with pointing out hypocrisy

It never really means anything haha

[plain iron]

Janky little serrat, going on the doom tower

[prime sentinel]

No one is freaking :p

[wheat sigil]

yuppers

[obsidian shard]

A statue for Serrat and The Atlan would go very nice with my Collector's Edition statue

[prime sentinel]

You have a funny way of interpreting text big dog

[wheat sigil]

i love me some bad faith arguing :3

[plain iron]

FRRRRR

I love the boxes, they're gonna become a box fort

[prime sentinel]

I think I’m going to sleep though so have a good day people

[obsidian shard]

I still have All of the boxes from all my DOOM figs and stuff

[wheat sigil]

good night

[obsidian shard]

GN

[plain iron]

It would be a crime to throw it away

Gonna make a wall of merch boxes

[obsidian shard]

Yes sir

[plain iron]

I want the cacodemon mug

But I'd be afraid to actually use it

[obsidian shard]

I still have my The Dark Ages Mug and Haven't used it

[obsidian shard]

Theres a Revenant in it though

Display

Ya

[plain iron]

Hrrr I want the maykr mural Thermos from the international store

Same w the UAC hoodie

[obsidian shard]

With the Rest of my merch

[plain iron]

I should draw Samuel in that hoodie....

[obsidian shard]

Peak

[plain iron]

It's what he wears after chemotherapy frfr

I feel like some folk forget he did have genuine brain cancer

[obsidian shard]

I don't Play COD, Never have never will

[wooden acorn]

Imagine how fun it’d be to drunk drive it

[obsidian shard]

What

I did see it, Just dont Care for COD

[plucky plinth]

not really

[obsidian shard]

I play TF2, DOOM, GTA, BG3

[plucky plinth]

I can safely call a good amount of games better than any newer entry in the Doom franchise

[plucky plinth]

BG3 as in Baldur's Gate, right?

[obsidian shard]

Correct

[plucky plinth]

nice

[obsidian shard]

Both. TF2 and TF2

[wooden acorn]

Day 50 of 112

[weak imp]

110 for the prenium version 🤫

[wooden acorn]

ooo true

[wind dew]

I bought the helmet instantly

[wooden acorn]

I’m still debating tbh

May order it in a few weeks

[wind dew]

It will go nicely with my Doom Eternal Helmet

They should have done a 2016 helmet so I can have all 3

[grim cloud]

dont forget doom 64 and doom 3 helmets

[wind dew]

Yeah I don’t like Doom 3

So I wouldn’t

[plucky plinth]

why forget Doom 1/2/Final Doom's :(

[plucky plinth]

did you play it?

[grim cloud]

already exists

as well as phobos helm

[plucky plinth]

oh, just realized you were referring to helmets that haven't been made

my bad

[wind dew]

Yes

[plucky plinth]

Oh, alright. Your opinion is valid, then.

[wind dew]

It was actually my first Doom

Didn’t really gel with it

[plucky plinth]

Context: I'm not a fan of people calling Doom 3 shit and yet having never played with it

[plucky plinth]

Entirely fair

I'm not a fan of it either, more for other reasons than gameplay

[versed stone]

Just for fun, how well is Dark Ages gonna run on Steam Deck?

And while we’re here, would they also make a Switch 2 port?

[obsidian shard]

Do they have Ray Tracing?

Ray Tracing is Cooked into the game Engine

Of id Tech 8

[viral latch]

Sorry for the horrible question...but is it me or is this game already out?

Oh wait nvm

I got my answer lol

[wooden acorn]

I haven’t played it myself but it doesn’t seem like my type of game, but I’d be willing to give it a try sometime tbh

How much is it on steam?

[plucky plinth]

I do see a difference between people looking at it and thinking they may not like it, and people who look at it and instantly start calling it trash

[plucky plinth]

like $4 rn?

[wooden acorn]

Oh damn, may try it then

[wooden acorn]

Yea fair, I’m of the opinion that it seems like a good game, but doesn’t seem like a good “doom” game

It has the horror vibes but it doesn’t look as fast paced and action-y as the other ones

The main theme is great tho

[plucky plinth]

it's about the same pace as the originals tbh

just slightly slowed down at some places for cutscene or story reasons

[wooden acorn]

Ah fair

[plucky plinth]

the intro is pretty slow, though

past that, it's evenly paced, though

for anxiety reasons I couldn't get too far into the game, sadly

but for what I played, it's a fine game and it is about as fast as the original titles

[wooden acorn]

Interesting

[slender night]

Intro is slow cuz it's to introduce the story

[plucky plinth]

ofc

was just wanting to mention the intro can be seen as slow

[wooden acorn]

Also I’m ngl I asked for May 14th and 15th off lmao

[plucky plinth]

it's worth at least trying

[wooden acorn]

Yee I probably will at some point

[plucky plinth]

you can ping me btw

[wooden acorn]

I prefer not to since you never know lol, I prefer not to be pinged myself but I can live with it if it does happen

[plucky plinth]

I want to get pinged for various reasons

[wooden acorn]

pings u

[plucky plinth]

quicker to see where a message is, mainly

[wooden acorn]

Yea fair

[plucky plinth]

also because I rapidly close and open Discord

[grizzled thicket]

Same

[wooden acorn]

Mood

[plucky plinth]

I just don't like getting pinged when people use my message as a reference for something

or spam pinged

[grizzled thicket]

Fair

[plucky plinth]

otherwise, I would rather get pinged

[grizzled thicket]

Anyway time to read some Horus Heresy books

Cya

[hard thistle]

I’m so excited, I just preordered

[summer obsidian]

What edition

[hard thistle]

The standard

[pallid hedge]

how much is it?

[hard thistle]

I paid $73.84

[pallid hedge]

I’ll just wait for it to come out

Just not gonna watch any spoilers

[grizzled thicket]

same

[pallid hedge]

not about to drop 70$ on a game lol

even tho it’s my favorite franchise

[placid saffron]

esp not for one we have not seen a single bit of unbiased gameplay of 😭

[pallid hedge]

I’ll jus wait. I didn’t even play Doom Eternal till 2022. I waited till that sucker was a crisp 15$ off amazon

[grizzled thicket]

I could, but ehh havent yet even beaten all of my games yet so no need to buy yet

[pallid hedge]

yeah, what if it’s some ass, not doubting doom devs, but you never know nowadays.

But in all honesty, I still think 2016 is the best one

The design of everything was just better

Especially the demons

[grizzled thicket]

I like eternal more

[grizzled thicket]

ok this I can see

[hard thistle]

I will say I didn’t pay for it though

My uncle gave me it as a gift for my birthday

So I’m happy about that 😎

[grizzled thicket]

damn

[hard thistle]

And then now I have a game to play during the summer before my first year of college

[pallid hedge]

I liked 2016 because of it’s overall smoothness of the gameplay, how it introduced the weapon systems, and how it brought the feeling of a dark, gory game to life. Vs all the sci fi stuff eternal had. Eternal was great tho

[pallid hedge]

free stuff is the best stuff

[hard thistle]

2016 demons looked scarier than eternal

Eternal story was great though

[pallid hedge]

bring back Demon on player glory kills.

[grizzled thicket]

thats your opinion ofcourse, but I like quick gameplay so

[pallid hedge]

shit was disturbing

[hard thistle]

For real!

[wheat sigil]

Eternal demons improve readibility, providing clear visual feedback, creating smoother combat flow
and they draw inspiration from classic doom enemies

[pallid hedge]

yes tho. The fast paced game play of Eternal was better. If they combined the design of 2016, and the action of eternal, it would be peak

[grizzled thicket]

this I can agree with

[grizzled thicket]

true

[wheat sigil]

dismissing eternal's visuals and enemy design as simply "cartoomish" and therefore bad i think kinda ignores the thoughts behind it

[marble rivet]

what about the xbox app on pc

[wheat sigil]

the clear visuals are much better for the fast paced combat

[grizzled thicket]

I think it just is a bit less daemonic, but I do like the clear visual part about it

[wheat sigil]

and the environment was diverse, including more gritty and darker levels

[grizzled thicket]

true

[summer obsidian]

I saw the doom guy statue and then bought the collectors edition

That’s what sold me on it

[slender night]

Not sure

[dark peak]

true d16 visuals just dont fit with eternal's approach

[lofty hull]

I like a lot of demon designs from 2016 better than eternal like Mancubus

[dark peak]

honestly i prefer the eternal one

[delicate grotto]

They did the Revenant dirty in Eternal

[shut whale]

The mancubus in 2016 is better than Eternal

[obsidian shard]

Completely Disagree

But From What we've seen The Demons in The Dark Ages look better than both

My opinion

[frail bloom]

I agree as well, but I have to wait until it launches. How it feels to fight some demons may subconciously affect its placement, and we haven't had a chance to play the dark ages. It has the most potential tho, already best imp design

[obsidian shard]

True true

And well The BEAST that is now the Pinky

It should Be Called the Thumb

[frail bloom]

I think I also saw the Tyrant too! Much better designed than eternal, not that eternal's was bad, it was fitting, but tyrants are easily bullied in that game. That's why it's so low rated in peoples minds, because subconsiously, the way it plays factors into how much you like it.

[cyan lotus]

the tyrant had a big health pool but offensively was probably one of the least threatening demons

[obsidian shard]

Yeah

[frail bloom]

Basically sums it up

[cyan lotus]

The possessed tyrant doesn’t do it much more justice tbh, it remains around the same ballpark of threatening, only this time with an even bigger health pool, and imo only becomes a danger if you’re getting in its face

[frail bloom]

I mean, if you keep your distance he can't do much, I've played the holt on un and if you plan things, he's a pushover. At least the tyrant in this the dark ages sounds more mechanically interesting

The part where they talked about parrying some large attack causing a shockwave, sounds cool

[cyan lotus]

I hate to say it because I love unintended things as much as the next guy but doom eternal absolutely was not balanced for stuff like air-camping or even quickswitching in the capacity it exists

[frail bloom]

Yes I abuse that a lot with the meathook

No wonder they switched gears into a different playstyle and combat loop

[cyan lotus]

I’m still hoping for glitches tho, just ones with higher bars of execution

[frail bloom]

I think they mentioned stuff like that, like some shield bash tech or something, it was on raitros channel

[cyan lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077069514505728152/1350266172960018452/IMG_1021.png?ex=67d61cde&is=67d4cb5e&hm=3985d20585950d6d256dc86a27011cbe1ed2d541b730e0a5d53f7df0efadc3aa&

[frail bloom]

Wait how would that work

[cyan lotus]

Oob purple goo that increases player speed assuming its not just a joke

[plain iron]

Like the speed goo from portal 2....

[frail bloom]

I remember when hugo was talking about purple goo in the sky to stop speedrunners, it just reminded me of that

[summer obsidian]

I swear u can say anything and say Hugo said it and no one with know if ur lying

[frail bloom]

He said it while watching someone speedrun tag 2, it was a funny vid.

And hugolo martini is a philosophical machine so everything has been said by him already.

[woven jolt]

so, Hugo just confirmed that the footage from the gameplay videos were months old, makes sense

[summer obsidian]

Just learned that one of doom guys nick names is Hell Walker. Why did not one tell me this

[hard thistle]

Idk

[obsidian shard]

Hell Walker, DOOM Slayer, Unchained Predator, Time Walker,

His Weapons have names Too

Pain Giver - Rocket Launcher
Hell Breaker - Hammer

[summer obsidian]

Like what. I’ve never known

[plain iron]

Outlander is another name

[obsidian shard]

Yup

[plain iron]

Outlander was before the slayer n shit

[summer obsidian]

I really need to read the codex huh

[plain iron]

When he popped up in Argent d'nur

[obsidian shard]

The SSG has one, it's in the Codex

[plain iron]

I'm rereading the codex cuz of the comic I'm making

[summer obsidian]

Bro ur making a comic?

Cool

[plain iron]

Yeah it's taken 3 days to figure out a name for it, and I didn't even figure the name out 😭

[summer obsidian]

I have so many stories in my head. Just don’t have a good medium for them

[summer obsidian]

About doom I’m guessing

What is it about specifically if u don’t mind me asking

[obsidian shard]

It's Lucifer's Bain and Diabolical Musket

It's the Demons Most Hated Weapon of the Slayer

[plain iron]

the premise of the rest of the comic is just

"Doomguy forgets to actually take care of himself - he forgor he was human after he got out of hell. Samur was ordered to go figure out wtf he's doing. Samur finds doomguy in bed w various issues [malnutrition, dehydration, muscular atrophy, being generally filthy, bedsores ect] and Samur is like 'dude wtf go bathe' and doomguy is like 'can't bone hurt' so Samur helps [in a completely non-sexual way I promise] doomguy is like. Ow stop that hurts. And samur is like 'dude. You did this to yourself. You are getting clean.' Doomguy is now a wet rat, and Samur is visiting him daily and helping him [teaching him argenta, and learning English and shit] :D"

Tldr doomguy is a stinky boy who can't recognise he has human needs and Samur is fucking tired of it.

[summer obsidian]

Checks out

[obsidian shard]

Cool asf name too

Hell Breaker and Lucifer's Bain are my personal Favorite

[summer obsidian]

Call it blood swamps lol

[plain iron]

Nawh we already have the name "outlander" shout out to penguin for that shit

[summer obsidian]

I’ve had a few ideas for just stories. And because there’s no medium the world building in my head gets very detailed

[vapid lodge]

HUGOOO!!

on which chat did he mention this

[cyan lotus]

Speedrunning discord

[wooden acorn]

do y'all think we'll get the same ammo management we got in Eternal or do you think it'll be like the ammo in 2016?

or somewhere in between

kinda hoping it's not like Eternals, wasn't too big a fan of it myself but to each their own

[charred wolf]

I think all ammunition will be optional and all engaging gameplay will be locked to the shield from what I've seen.

[hard thistle]

what an actual hell dude. what is wrong with you?

[plain iron]

... what?

Mb bro I'm just projecting my issues into the slayer [disabled moment]

[charred wolf]

Reads like one of those fanfics like 'john is a zombie' tbh, kinda funny.

[wooden acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wet-shower-bath-water-pouring-gif-17140437

doom guy

[hard thistle]

Important question - Is DooM TDA is going ot be a level-based experience or semi-open world experience / metroidvania?

[plain iron]

Literally tho he hates it 😔

[wooden acorn]

so sad

[plain iron]

I mean, I would too if I had bedsores and water was touching them, it hurts

[wooden acorn]

would probably take some getting used to now that he's able to feel pain tho yea

[hard thistle]

Still level based, just not quite so linear

[charred wolf]

Trailers make me think it's going to be a level-based expansive experience like every Serious Sam game ever.

[storm shadow]

anyone know when these YouTubers will be able to reveal new info for the dark ages?

[wooden acorn]

probably within a month of the release would be my guess

or not at all if they wanna keep stuff secret

[storm shadow]

Thanks, cause ik horde mode and allstin have all just said “soon”.

[obsidian shard]

March 31st

[raw relic]

https://www.twitch.tv/power_wild/clip/NiceQuaintOrangeTriHard-2yi6fB8kYXza5eWC

[devout abyss]

Anyone know what time with doom the dark ages release?

[plain iron]

I don't think there's a time, but there's a possibility

[devout abyss]

wym there's a possibility?

I thought there would be an release time when the game comes out

[plain iron]

There's a date.

Not a time, some folk claim a time too

[devout abyss]

Oh right im kinda new with the doom series when theres new doom game gonna release

[warm ibex]

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe some digital stores have already listed their release times

specifically the console version of the Xbox store

[plain iron]

Interesting! I wonder when the physical stores will allow purchases for it, I hope mine comes in on the day it's supposed to

[warm ibex]

I hope so too bro

[plain iron]

Sucks bein Australian and everything taking a billion years to get here

[earnest swift]

Seems like it veers much closer to "Eternal" based off what we've seen.

[prime sentinel]

it'll be its own thing

[wheat sigil]

i hope it'll keep resource management

[earnest swift]

Probably ideal. "Eternal" was laughably generous with ammo but it made you go without substanial replenishments for decently lengthy periods given its pace.

[prime sentinel]

it looks like resources are dependent on how you kill the monster, looks like the shield saw gets armor for example

[wheat sigil]

it still gotta choose whether you have to manage ammo or not

[prime sentinel]

I imagine you will but who knows, could be more lenient

[wheat sigil]

eternal wanted you to keep some track of ammo expenditure, without really restricting the player at all

or at least that's what it seems like, and i honestly like it

[drifting arrow]

god damn

turns out this thing gon have denuvo 😭

That means no linux compat

and bad performance

[frail bloom]

Hold on, eternal had that and it ran fine, id software would get a mountain of backlash if they didn't optimize their game just saying.

[prime sentinel]

it'll probably run fine, after a few months Denuvo will likely be patched out as always

(really common practice)

[frail bloom]

Probably what's gonna happen

[prime sentinel]

yeah my understanding this is usually to curb piracy for a few months since that is the most important time for sales (not defending or saying it works/is the right thing to do, this is just why I'm told publishers require it)

[frail bloom]

Yeah I understand it too, I'm not really knowledgable on how it affects preformance but if it's like eternal where they had a strong connection to their community, it won't be reasonable that they make some monthly changes

[prime sentinel]

I don't recall Eternal having issues on launch and it had Denuvo

in terms of performance anyway

[frail bloom]

I thought it was like hidden for a couple months or something

[frail bloom]

That's what I'm saying, it had denuvo but didn't affect it

[prime sentinel]

nah what happened was there was a Denuvo-less executable in the bethesda launcher version that you could find in the files

on steam it had Denuvo at first, till they patched it out later

iirc

[frail bloom]

Oh that's how it went down

Hopefully they're able to keep a community bond when the game releases

[prime sentinel]

I doubt it will cause too much friction, and it'll be gone in a few months post launch

Denuvo is pretty common, and honestly, most modern pc games have performance issues that go far beyond anything Denuvo is responsible for

Dark Ages will probably run much better than most modern pc ports

[frail bloom]

We'll get to hear how well it preforms on march 31. So far we had allstin and horde. Did anyone else go?

That we know of

[prime sentinel]

it was a press event so lots of people went

there will be no shortage of coverage, I think

[frail bloom]

Sweet, did you see the new allstin vid btw

[prime sentinel]

nah not an allstin follower necessarily

I don't follow very many doom content creators tbh

[frail bloom]

That's fair

[prime sentinel]

there is one I follow for news but thats it

is it related to TDA?

[frail bloom]

Horde right

[frail bloom]

Yes, it's related to finishing move

[prime sentinel]

mayhaps

[prime sentinel]

I'll check it out when I get a chance

[frail bloom]

Cool

[prime sentinel]

I'm liking the finishing move stuff so far

I've watched allstin a few times and he seemed level headed more or less

[frail bloom]

Same, so far imo they've reached super gore nest levels of quality, I'm hoping they make a track that blows us all away

[frail bloom]

He actually breaks it down really well

[drifting arrow]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/782330/DOOM_Eternal/

Steam

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Price

$9.99

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174527

Metacritic

88

▶ Play video

I dont see any warning on the page

[prime sentinel]

they patched it out

[drifting arrow]

like dark ages

[prime sentinel]

it was patched out years ago, which is what tends to happen

[drifting arrow]

ye it prob didnt run at launch then

[prime sentinel]

for the first few months it will have Denuvo and it will eventually be removed

[prime sentinel]

lmfao it totally ran amazingly at launch

were you not around then?

[drifting arrow]

wth

Im talking like on linux

[prime sentinel]

ohhh

I don't use linux sorry, I'm not sure

my bad I didn't realize you meant linux

[drifting arrow]

yea it prob didnt at launch then

[prime sentinel]

sorry

[drifting arrow]

all g

[vestal dagger]

Eternal had the DRM for years

they added the anticheat too very briefly but got removed after one patch

but the DRM was around for a good while

[prime sentinel]

standard practice these days

[vestal dagger]

had it for over 3 years since launch actually

I can't explicitly recall but I think there were people playing it just fine on linux before then

[graceful lion]

its a differnt type of denuvo

theres anti tampering and anticheat or smth

[pallid hedge]

I hated the Eternal Revenant vs the 2016

[frail bloom]

Ik, they could of used that classic battlemode skin instead, much more fitting

[earnest swift]

Pretty much. Just encouraging you to use different weapons without really forcing you to.

I speak from the experience of watching a lot of clips where the player just spams SSG Ballista.

[wheat sigil]

ssg+ballista is peak doom eternal...

the worst thing about ssg+ballista is honestly just how it quashes creativity among a lot of people who use it

[wooden acorn]

Day 51 of 112

[wooden acorn]

Also anti cheat for a single player only game is stupid

[misty beacon]

Eternal has Multiplayer.
And it had a big cheating problem. (or still has? idk)

[plain iron]

Shit it does?

[wooden acorn]

That’s fair yea, but darks ages will be single player only from what I’ve heard

[misty beacon]

oh, didnt notice from the context you were talking about TDA
(tho we are in the TDA channel, so thats on me lol)

[wooden acorn]

lol you're good

[sage loom]

what if we see The Betrayer's Son before he turns into The Icon of Sin, and is voiced and modeled after John Romero

[frail bloom]

Would be a cool callback but he's like an ancient roman at this point

[dark peak]

do you guys think that the melee attack will has invul frames?

[wooden acorn]

Hopefully

[upbeat lark]

Same here

[hardy pelican]

Why do singleplayer games feel the need to include Denuvo lmao

Straight up anti consumer

[wooden acorn]

Pre ordered the collectors edition but I’m gonna pirate it anyway cause of the denuvo

[ebon shale]

Bro...
Top 10 dumbest things said on the official doom discord server

[summer obsidian]

The hell is denuvo

[summer obsidian]

Top 10 dumbest things said on discord

[slender night]

Shitty DRM

[summer obsidian]

English

[slender night]

It is English

[summer obsidian]

Oh digital rights

What’s wrong with them

[slender night]

DRM itself is acceptable, issue with Denuvo specifically is it causes performance tanking

[placid saffron]

"tanking" is a strong word

usually it's extremely poor integration of denuvo, which tbh i get why devs are lazy on it because not many actually want it and it's just a corporate pushpoint

[wooden acorn]

[slender onyx]

2 more months lfg

[raw relic]

wouldn't customizing every parameter of the game make everyone happy from every demons quantity to speed and frequency of attacks their damage and hp.
also customizing every weapon, speed, ammo, movement bonus/penalty.

there is literally no downside to adding options since they are optional

[frail bloom]

Yes there is no downside, especially because they have the base difficulties

There are more worrisome things than some sliders

[grizzled spoke]

Depends on how they make the enemies and how they balance the game. Simply increasing the speed won’t do much for combat if its hyper tuned for a specific speed.

[raw relic]

thx for finding a potentially ineffective way to use a hyper complex and customizable system

[grizzled spoke]

Are you talking to me? I was looking at it from my perspective, I’m patiently waiting to see how the game turns out. Plus, $70 is pretty steep for a purchase that I may only play once or twice.

So I’m just being careful

[placid saffron]

well no because just because you can tweak everything, doesn't mean it's either easy to figure out what you want, or that the new configuration actually feels proper to play

(only taking in a very literal definition of "make everyone happy")

[raw relic]

even if you fail to finy any improvement you can always go back to stock

and that is a very big if

[placid saffron]

"no downsides" would probably fit what you wanted to say if i'm being really pedantic

[raw relic]

yes there is non except the potentially wasted time tweaking

but giving more options is never a bad thing in itsself

because you best choice is guaranteed to be as good or better

that would extremely reduce the need for modding

[placid saffron]

i mean you do have the downside of some people potentially making the game less fun for themselves but they think the new options are better, like someone making the game really easy and "ruining" their gameplay indirectly and for some reason not wanting to go back

but there is a limit to protecting the player from poisoning their own gameplay... and something like difficulty options stays behind that line usually

(including the ones from DA most likely)

[raw relic]

if they arent smart enough to notce its worse its not worse

[placid saffron]

well yeah but that's a problem, a majority of people aren't smart

[raw relic]

2 matters here: 1 are people really not smart enough to know what they want. if they think they want it doesn't it mean they want it?

[placid saffron]

yes, that's a pretty big topic in general game design too

[raw relic]

maybe im not looking at the game fro the perspective of a casual player

now i get his point

[summer obsidian]

Hard casual here

[raw relic]

im looking for a game im looking to play for 1000s of hours

[placid saffron]

the fact you're in the discord about a game already heavily puts you "above" most casuals (idk a better word)

[raw relic]

other might look for 1 that they just play once and stop before the magic is gone

so for that person too much choice will be a problem

because they will lose a biggesr propotyion of their time finding out what they want

but i dojnt think its a big problem

[wheat sigil]

why? just use the pre-existing difficulties if you don't want to mess around with the sliders

[raw relic]

just recommend not to tweak if ur new or something

[raw relic]

because i want an easy way to remove shield demons, ghosts change game speed (tank god they already did that) add more of some demons without having to mod

[placid saffron]

i'm unsure if DA will let you add more demons

[raw relic]

i know

im talkign more generally

[placid saffron]

cause honestly the fact that demon layout and demon HP are the same regardless of difficulty was really great difficulty design

[raw relic]

those sliders they added is a great addition

but i would like to take variety to the extremes

i see people making arenas with versions that dont include marayuders

[placid saffron]

i mean i'd rather just have a level editor build in rather then having ti be part of the difficulty options

[raw relic]

my point is... add every customization that is easy to code and likely to be used... again it doesnt really ahve a big downside if its optional

[raw relic]

thats just a matter of taxonomy

[placid saffron]

😭 > "difficulty options"

looks inside
level editor

[raw relic]

`idk what percentage of people who buy the game will go beyond the basic game by that i mean more than 2 playthroughts in 1 year and will spend many hours learning more advanced techniques

lets say who spend over 200h

[ebon shale]

I'd say 10% maximum

[raw relic]

its its 2% its might be not worth it

if its 5-10 it might be

[ebon shale]

And thats probably only the percentage at launch

[placid saffron]

that's a high ball

[ebon shale]

Thats gonna go down I think with sales

Yeah probably more like 5%

[raw relic]

now i see that there isnt much i9ncentive to make 5% of players more happy

what matters is that revieers and casusal players aare happy at launch

[ebon shale]

Well those 5% are also most likely to buy skins I guess

[wheat sigil]

i hopefully will... but that's completely up to the game

[ebon shale]

So it can be worth it. I think

[raw relic]

i would buy a hypercomplex slider DLC

[placid saffron]

😎 there is always being a cool ass dev

a true paradox fan

[raw relic]

i havea great idea for a contract of devs : everyone making decisions about the game must spend at least 1000 h after launch and reduce the complaints of fanattcis by 85%

[placid saffron]

design by committee isn't that great either always

plus just because someone spend a 1000 hours on something doesn't mean they have the required knowledge available to make game design critiques on it either

well i said that wrong, critiques yes. Solutions to the critiques not so much

[raw relic]

actually most problem have easy solutions

not enough ammo? infinite ammo cheat

[wheat sigil]

make the unmaykr into a good, balanced and fun weapon

[raw relic]

only why the fuck doesnt teh cheat work on master lvls #doom-eternal

[placid saffron]

that's a good solution if you just want the problem gone, but in most games it just replaces it with something else

within deternal speaking atleast, now you have a useless chainsaw and majority of your playerbase leans on 1, maybe 2 weapons like d16

with "solution" people generally want the problems that come off of that to be less then the original problem, and that is hard

[raw relic]

tahts not most problems thats one you selected not to be most but okay...
give it rechargeable ammo
make bullets go staright give it a bonus like heat where you do more the lonbger you shoot

[placid saffron]

easy solution to say, but how easy is it to properly implement?

[raw relic]

yes i am relying on SSG+BAlista for 60% oif my dmg and i get better i start using more PB switching

[raw relic]

how hard is it to enable infite ammo cheat in master lvls

[placid saffron]

and does it properly fix in with the rest of the loop? properly balanced compared to the bfg?
this is not easy at all

[raw relic]

or enablk whoel console by default?

[raw relic]

balance its the easiest thing you can tweak dps

[placid saffron]

lol, lmfao

[raw relic]

until ita balanced

[raw relic]

well BFG shoudltn be campred to anything

BFG is a lost cause in terms of balance

i dont use it unless by accident

[placid saffron]

uhhh yes it should, the unmaykr quite literally directly competes with it

[cyan lotus]

#doom-eternal message

[spare panther]

lmfao

[placid saffron]

oh i almost thought i was speaking with an idiot, but this guy is a french philosophical genuis!

[wheat sigil]

you should relly on all your weapons and mods🙂

...except mobile turret and super weapons

[wheat sigil]

omg, i think you made him start talking in the eternal chat without him knowing by sending this😭

that's some peak right there

[placid saffron]

bot sees bot follows

[grizzled thicket]

The Good

[hard thistle]

@wooden acorn@prime sentinel@wheat sigil My source says yes it's still there. But there's more pickups in the world than eternal so not overly reliant on kill demon in x way to get health/armor/ammo.

[wheat sigil]

who are you and what are you talking about

[hard thistle]

im cory and its about the question ya'll had about resource management.

[wheat sigil]

from when, which conversation

[hard thistle]

this dark ages discord. scroll up

[wheat sigil]

or i suppose i don't really need to know xd

[wheat sigil]

won't do that lol, i've had tons of convos here

[hard thistle]

no problem

[wheat sigil]

more pickups in the world is kinda meh imo

i don't really like that

[hard thistle]

whatever at least its not exactly like eternal.

[frail bloom]

What's your source?

[ebon shale]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[frail bloom]

That's what it feels like lol

[dark peak]

thats nice i would like if the enemies just drop a specific type of ammo and just al ittle, so you will explore more

[hard thistle]

@frail bloom my best friend Aaron works Q & A at ID Software.

[hollow sandal]

When does the NDA lift?

[hard thistle]

Whenever id software says so

[summer obsidian]

U should ask him how many tacos doom guy could theoretically eat before failing (needed for science)

[hard thistle]

Odd question to ask.

[summer obsidian]

The odd questions are the most important -sun tzu

[wooden acorn]

So sad

[daring gyro]

Release the game arl omg why does my money have to keep waiting

[frail bloom]

That's sick, do you know what he does or is he not allowed to say

Oh wait you told me

Bruh moment

[hard thistle]

You could say he... Answers some Questions...

[frail bloom]

Not my best I gotta say

[hard thistle]

Happens to all of us

[plain iron]

Just... preorder it?

[graceful tulip]

I know they wanted to make more cutscenes so they don’t lock the lore behind codex’s but i honestly enjoyed reading the codex.

[wooden acorn]

Both are fun yea, hope they keep some codex stuff

[obsidian shard]

They are

The Codex was Confirmed to be in the game still

[plain iron]

YAYYY

[formal root]

I’m really excited for gameplay details I heard

like the one where you will be taking out ships, and then boarding them to take care of the demons

thats like, super cool

idk, its the fact that its all happening like during a medieval war

[obsidian shard]

Sick asf, Super excited for that bit ngl

[sage loom]

let me guess, hes hidden in a mountain in the himalayas waiting for a new apprentice

[plain iron]

... isn't valen's son dead 😭

[sage loom]

he was turned into the Icon of Sin

[plain iron]

He still died

That's why valen is the betrayer

[sage loom]

pretty much

but also, are we getting Cosmetics even tho this is a single player game?

like they bring the Barbarian and we get a full Conan/He-Man experience

[hard thistle]

Premium edition confirms they are returning

Though I can't imagine the quantity will be as vast as eternal's catalogue

[obsidian shard]

Not at launch at least

There won't be as many

[slender onyx]

just give me skins for all the other doomguy armors at launch and im happy

[chilly sonnet]

Hello, "DOOM's.. GUYSES> 🙂

💞

[weak imp]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-ancient-gods-part2-doom-eternal-davoth-dark-lord-doom-gif-20875444

[vagrant path]

Oh christ another of these types.

[autumn dawn]

Glory kills. For 2016, we got Doomguy's fists. Eternal, we got the Doomblade. And now, for TDA, will we get the shield saw, or something else?

[sleek ermine]

We won’t really have Glory Kills in TDA. More of a spiked mace, a flail or electrified fist

[plain iron]

We already see what the glory kills are, mace, flail blood bloodpunch 2.0, they are still glory kills, just not like 2016 or eternal's

[autumn dawn]

that sucks, they didn't really need to remove the glory kills, it didn't really slow down the pace of the game at all

[plain iron]

Oh yes it did, and they didn't remove them

[autumn dawn]

still, that's coming from someone who has not played both 2016 and eternal

[sleek ermine]

DOOM Slayer too heavy in TDA

[frail bloom]

I have a theory that they kept them for the superheaviess and bosses, because ragdolling them would break immersion, but for the rest it's to keep the flow and stop you from being surrounded

[autumn dawn]

yeah that's actually a plausible theory

[frail bloom]

Yeah it could work

[autumn dawn]

different thing: in TDA announcement video about 11 minutes long, i remember they said something about:

"In 2016, we told you to run and gun. In Eternal, we told you to jump and shoot. And now, in TDA, you'll have to stand and fight" or something

how do you feel about this?

[frail bloom]

Sounds awesome

Doesn't mean you're going to stand

[wooden acorn]

Sounds fun yee

[plain iron]

Sounds like war.

[autumn dawn]

probably gonna need to rely on the shield saw more and go full on Demoknight tf2

they'll bring back the super shotgun (obviously), but i wonder what other classic weapons they'll bring back

it's set in a medieval setting, but there are still advanced tech such as Atlans, so they'll probably bring back the BFG or plasma gun

[flat pulsar]

The plasma gun already returned

[prime sentinel]

We know there’s a plasma gun variant called “the accelerator”

It sounds like you aren’t caught up with the news haha

I recommend checking out the 11 minute preview

[flat pulsar]

The double barrel plasma is probably a upgrade

[autumn dawn]

no, i am not

i don't even remember if i finished that video

[frail bloom]

You should, they already have shown the shotgun, supershotgun, plasma rifle, chaingun and rocket launcher as weapons returning

The rest is in the air

[autumn dawn]

i'll watch it soon, but that's good to know they're bringing those back, alongside the new skull gun and the shield saw

[solemn wyvern]

What about the not nail gun?

[frail bloom]

What about it? It isn't an original doom weapon

[solemn wyvern]

Quake

[autumn dawn]

you mean the railgun?

[frail bloom]

That is not a classic doom weapon

[autumn dawn]

haven't played quake

[solemn wyvern]

Wasn’t there a weapon in this game that look like that nail gun?

[autumn dawn]

you can tell i'm really falling back

[solemn wyvern]

Was it the double barrel plasma gun?

[frail bloom]

Yes but that is a quake weapon, I was talking about og classic doom

[frail bloom]

That's probably an upgrade for the accelator, but yes it's quake-coded

[autumn dawn]

what kinda mods do you think they'll make for the skull gun?

[frail bloom]

It's either mods, upgrades or alt fires

[autumn dawn]

like modifications, such as Precision Bolt, or Energy Shield etc.

[frail bloom]

I'm not sure, they might since there are 2 versions of the plasma rifle but I don't know if they're uprgrades or different mods

[autumn dawn]

i think one of the mods for the skull gun is they'll turn it into a crossbow

and the bolt is a femur that can penetrate multiple demons at once

[frail bloom]

I mean at this point they could do anything and get away with it

I personally can't wait to see what they do

[autumn dawn]

same

[solemn wyvern]

Exploding skulls for some stupid reason

[autumn dawn]

lost souls

[frail bloom]

Awesome

[autumn dawn]

"Introducing: the Pain Elemental as a handheld weapon"

[frail bloom]

Bro I need to see the pain elemental in this game

[solemn wyvern]

Do we have a grenade launcher that not a mod like brutal doom or project brutality?

[autumn dawn]

wonder if they'll do it just like they did in eternal or they'll change it up a bit

[frail bloom]

Not sure, we have a mounted turret I know that for sure

[solemn wyvern]

Doss sticky bombs count?

[autumn dawn]

that's kinda just the combat shotgun mod

[frail bloom]

Again they haven't shown enough, we're getting a gameplay preview in march 31 so hopefully the doomtubers who went there can answer some questions

[autumn dawn]

i'm accepting no answers from any doomtuber who isn't decino

[solemn wyvern]

Who?

[autumn dawn]

pumpkin man

aka yellow thumbnail dude

[frail bloom]

Decino doesn't even like modern doom so that ain't happening

I'm talking about people like Allstin and Horde mode gaming

[solemn wyvern]

Does he like project brutality lol?

[autumn dawn]

sadly that's true

[autumn dawn]

he doesn't cover mods

[frail bloom]

Yeah so his input isn't really needed

[frail bloom]

Who knows he might like this one because it's more classic doom rooted

[autumn dawn]

maybe, but Eternal was THE one that was the most classic doom rooted

[frail bloom]

In looks yes but it played like quake, which isn't bad

[autumn dawn]

oops

[frail bloom]

What's a zalgo?

[solemn wyvern]

No fucking idea

[autumn dawn]

the crossed out text

[frail bloom]

I see

[autumn dawn]

i use a custom japanese keyboard that supports other fonts

[solemn wyvern]

Nice

[autumn dawn]

which demons are you guys most excited about

[frail bloom]

Confirmed or speculated? Cuz demons are my favorite part of doom games

Killing them at least

[autumn dawn]

both

[frail bloom]

So far the classic imp is my favorite confirmed design

[solemn wyvern]

The not marauders

[autumn dawn]

i like to think that those flying demons behind the arachnotron are Doom 3 cacodemons

[frail bloom]

But demons I wanna see are,
1: Classic Archvile
2: Classic Baron
3: Pain elemental
4: chaingunner
6: Vassago from legacy of rust

[autumn dawn]

can you not post images on servers? i can't seem to click the + symbol

[frail bloom]

Idk, some can but I can't

[autumn dawn]

maybe it's mobile users

[solemn wyvern]

Can we haz the spooder fucks back?

[frail bloom]

The arachnotrons?

[autumn dawn]

oh we have arachnotrons confirmed

[solemn wyvern]

The ones from doom 3

[autumn dawn]

they have a much faster firing speed

[frail bloom]

I don't think so lol

[autumn dawn]

but i want to see some love for the doom 3 cacos

they've only been seen once, while the hell knight's design from doom 3 was used from here on out

[frail bloom]

Idk that cacodemon design only fits for doom 3, I think those arachnobrains are the new cacodemons but we have to wait and see

[solemn wyvern]

The Trites

[sleek ermine]

DOOM Hunters (sorta confirmed in a way by both Eternal and gameplay)

[autumn dawn]

those are insignificant spiders, i don't think we need those things

[solemn wyvern]

Wuss

[autumn dawn]

oh yeah we saw the Agaddon Hunters

[sleek ermine]

Yeh

[solemn wyvern]

Can we shoot them in the dick?

[autumn dawn]

you can't hurt me, i haven't played doom 3.... yet

[frail bloom]

[sleek ermine]

khanbakr

[solemn wyvern]

What about the Cherub?

[autumn dawn]

in brutal doom, you can hit the barons and the hell knights in the nuts and they'll be stunned

[solemn wyvern]

Awesome

[autumn dawn]

cool a nitro user

[delicate grotto]

Agaddon Hunters
The giant beast looking creature
The giant mechanical spider thing
Revenant redesign

[sleek ermine]

What

[sleek ermine]

Not revenant, just more of DOOM Hunter stuff

[delicate grotto]

Oh and the Cosmic Baron

[autumn dawn]

there was a cosmic baron?

[delicate grotto]

It’s listed on a whiteboard in the background of some footage

[autumn dawn]

owh

[delicate grotto]

Sounds sick

[autumn dawn]

i really hope they bring back the Doom Hunter's sick synths

[sleek ermine]

Agaddon Hunter = now sorta extinct species that became the DOOM Hunter

[autumn dawn]

its boss theme was my absolute favorite in Eternal

[delicate grotto]

There is a revenant though? Has skull rockets and scythes. Looks metal as Hell

It’s a skeleton with a rocket pack, so, pretty sure it’s the reve lol

[autumn dawn]

yeah, it had some sort of bullet hell like missile pattern

[sleek ermine]

I thought you'd appreciate the sentry I chose - The great Agaddon Hunters from the Telos Realm. Though long thought to be extinct - created to hunt only the Slayer and his Night Sentinels during the Unholy Crusades. Some improvements on the design have been made. Enjoy what is undoubtedly my finest work.
-Deag Ranak

[autumn dawn]

like touhou

[autumn dawn]

"CRITICAL DAMAGE."

[autumn dawn]

SMASH THE HERETIC

[delicate grotto]

Agaddon Hunters are the species augmented by Deag Ranak. The revenants in Eternal were also modified by Deag. The revenants in TDA are unrelated, and the Aggadon Hunters exist during TDA.
Apologies if I’m misunderstanding your point?

[frail bloom]

Are you talking about the great agaddon hunters from the telos realm? Though long thought to be extinct- created to hunt only the Slayer and his night sentinels during the unholy vcrusades. Some improvements on their design have been made, which is undoubtedly deags finest work? Those Agaddon hunters?

[autumn dawn]

i thought the UAC made the revenants, based on 2016 lore

[sleek ermine]

Yeah.

[sleek ermine]

TDA is during the Unholy Crusades so yes

[autumn dawn]

we get to see more Night Sentinel action

[delicate grotto]

The ones in the classics and 2016, yes.
Then in Eternal, Deag Ranak modified them.
In TDA, it’s speculated these are the original Revenants. Or something of the sort.

[autumn dawn]

yeah babyy

[feral cargo]

do we know if TDA will also feature co-op?

[sleek ermine]

It will not

[delicate grotto]

No, it won’t have MP

[solemn wyvern]

Inb4 mother demon from doom 69 comes back

[hard thistle]

Just single player

[delicate grotto]

I’m glad id has all their focus on the Single Player experience

[hard thistle]

Me too I mostly play single anyway

[autumn dawn]

maybe they'll still have battlemode

[sleek ermine]

No. Actually depends on if it’s multiplayer only

[autumn dawn]

oh yeah, all this talk and we haven't even noticed the frickin dragon

[delicate grotto]

It’s been confirmed TDA will have 0 MP, including Battlemode. There might be a different gamemode, like 2016’s Arcade mode or Eternal’s horde mode. I wouldn’t count on it though.

Considering this will be the largest Doom game yet, it’ll probably be all Singleplayer. Based on what’s been revealed though, it sounds like there’ll be plenty of content to make up for the lack of gamemodes.

[frail bloom]

Yeah they have to, to keep this ravenous community alive

They set a precedent with eternal

[delicate grotto]

Excited for that too. Looks awesome. Hope it feels good to control though. Definitely a new mechanic to Doom.

[autumn dawn]

about those controls, i have a bad feeling that they're gonna be jank af

imagine roblox airplanes—they're hard to control

[hard thistle]

Why? Its from I'd software not bugsthesda

[frail bloom]

Do you really think they spent 4 years on this game and wouldn't refine their mech and dragon gameplay?

[autumn dawn]

it's not Bethesda?

[frail bloom]

No it's id software, bethesda is the publisher

[hard thistle]

No they just publisher

[autumn dawn]

ohh right

what kind of stuff are we gonna go through with thay dragon and mech, besides titans

[frail bloom]

We're gonna be boarding ships, destroying them, and flying around invading ships for a level

Based on my limited info

[autumn dawn]

now that i think of it, there was a scrapped level in eternal where we were supposed to get on a battleship with zero gravity

that got replaced with arctic base

[frail bloom]

Really I never knew that, sick to see them fully realize it now

[autumn dawn]

i saw it on the Doom wiki (not fandom)

[frail bloom]

Yeah fandom is cancer

[delicate grotto]

Not so much that- but id hasn’t really developed vehicle/ 3rd person controls before. Unless Rage and Rage 2 had some, though those games weren’t the most solid.
Point is, it’s mostly uncharted territory for id Software. I’m a bit skeptical of it myself, though I have faith they’ll deliver. Love the idea regardless.

[frail bloom]

I'd rather them take risks then rinse and repeat, otherwise they'd milk it

[delicate grotto]

I completely agree

[flat pulsar]

Agree

[hard thistle]

I liked rage. Vehicle controlled OK to me

[flat pulsar]

Success is gained through risk

[frail bloom]

Yes, part of why eternal was a success, it was a fresh experience for doom players and casuals alike

[autumn dawn]

"No sacrifice, no victory"

-i forgor

[frail bloom]

-hugo martini

[autumn dawn]

that power you get while flying through hell and going through your entire weapon wheel, holding down m1 and all 4 movement keys

[frail bloom]

Well I play on controller but I've had my fair share of satisfying moments

[autumn dawn]

controller looks scary for my keyboard fingers

[sleek ermine]

Potato

[frail bloom]

Ik, I've always played on controller and have done well

[delicate grotto]

That’s what I find so ironic about the those Eternal fans who are already hating on TDA because it’s different.
Eternal took the most risks with its game design. It is the most distinct game in the franchise.

[autumn dawn]

exactly describes my pc, which is why i can't run doom 2016, or even tf2 on it

[frail bloom]

Yes, no matter how much you tell them that this game is still strategic, they pretend that the game is slop

[sleek ermine]

Holy shit

[frail bloom]

Otherwise they'd beat it day 1

[autumn dawn]

they just like to hate on anything that's new

[delicate grotto]

Yep

[placid saffron]

i mean most of them probably don't hate it just because "it's different", but because of the specific direction they took

[delicate grotto]

Most of the arguments I see are these:
“It looks too slow.”
“New mechanics = Bad”
“It looks too basic”
“No glory kills = Bad”

[hard thistle]

@placid saffron I already love TDA cause of the direction they took

[frail bloom]

What direction tho, it's not actually slow and it's not braindead, what they're asking for is stagnation

Like those clasic doom fanboys, ugh

[autumn dawn]

they need their stimulation

[placid saffron]

it's not stagnation they ask for, but evolution for what they liked
and it's most definitely slowed down lol

[frail bloom]

There is a sprint button, there judt ain't as much vertacality, not the same thing

[placid saffron]

hopefully the trailer slowmo sections are there just for the gameplay showcase... because man that fucking sucked to look at

[autumn dawn]

also did you notice the mancubus fireballs being slow af?

[placid saffron]

😭 a sprint button only has the opposite connotation, that most definitely means the game is likely slower

[plain iron]

Transformers is what I thought of 💀

[hard thistle]

Sliders you can speed the game up

[plain iron]

Yup, it's for strafing to be viable again

[delicate grotto]

Now, it’s perfectly valid to have a preference in game direction. You don’t have to love everything a game tries to do. I only have a problem with baseless arguments about TDA, like how no glory kills automatically takes away the brutality of modern Doom. I can understand not liking some changes, but there are some bizarre takes I’ve seen- mostly stemming from hardcore Eternal fans.

[frail bloom]

Slower in what way, that's what I'm saying

[autumn dawn]

me too, but i don't know the origin of the line, maybe it's og to transformers

[placid saffron]

doesn't mean the game automatically* actually feels good when you blanket speed everything up though

[hard thistle]

Will find out in may

[placid saffron]

😭 it already was?

[delicate grotto]

Imo, TDA looks like a balanced blend of modern mechanics and classic Doom. I love it. I’m hoping it’s successful in that.

[obsidian shard]

I agree

Looking to be my favorite in the Series

[autumn dawn]

we already got more horizontal movement with the shield saw and sprinting, it's only verticality that was greatly decreased with this new direction TDA took

[obsidian shard]

Sprinting???

Where did that come from

[autumn dawn]

i dunno they said a sprint button

[obsidian shard]

Huh???
When, I gotta see this

[placid saffron]

but i don't want them to hark back to the old, i want them to continue forward and evolve the gameplay. Innovation already is almost dead in AAA gaming

[autumn dawn]

lucina said something about it, but i might be tripping

[delicate grotto]

I’ve heard there’s a sprint button too but I have yet to see confirmation anywhere.
If there is, it’ll probably work similar to classic Doom. Set it to auto, or manual, speeds up quick.

[placid saffron]

i reacted to someone else mentioning it, i don't see it fitting at all

[frail bloom]

Horde mode gaming confirmed it

[placid saffron]

it's just a wasted button, unless you make it a tradeoff which... doesn't really fit in what they're setting up gameplay wise

[obsidian shard]

I've Watched and Read everything they have released I've heard nothing of a Sprint button

[autumn dawn]

i don't really think there should be sr40/sr50 in the game

[obsidian shard]

New video?

[autumn dawn]

backread in this server??

[frail bloom]

Lemme send the vid soemwhere

Hold on

[delicate grotto]

They’re reinventing the wheel. Taking something old and doing something new with it. Taking classic level design, and meshing it with modern Doom. Personally, I’m a little tired of the strictly arena-based combat. That example is what I mean by balancing the two.

[obsidian shard]

Like the HUD

[placid saffron]

like the game just doesn't add anything that when you're sprinting you need to wait a second before shooting

[delicate grotto]

Fair

[autumn dawn]

i saw an update video about the status bar face making a return, but it's a WIP

[delicate grotto]

Is there an official source though? Not discrediting his channel, just would like to hear it from the studio/ devs themselves.

[unkempt apex]

same lol

[hard thistle]

@delicate grotto I agree I want bog open spaces and kill lots of demons

[obsidian shard]

In the Exploration Part of the Dev Direct, we see a more Polished version of the HUD, And DOOMGUY Face Features

[placid saffron]

the UI designed has free time it seems

[frail bloom]

https://youtu.be/wDDHnjA7vaU?feature=shared

[unkempt apex]

i hope that doomface was just a placeholder, or ill be downloading a mod to replace it

[frail bloom]

Timestamp is 3 min

[autumn dawn]

it kinda looks like a blend of the more centralized HUD of classic doom, and the more modern style of eternal

[autumn dawn]

it's a work in progress, they're still gonna polish it

[frail bloom]

I sent the vid

[unkempt apex]

i want classic doomguy face mod 😄

[placid saffron]

hopefully it's more something like the dash instead of just a boring waste of a button slot

[frail bloom]

Oh wait is it a button or is it just therr

I might of misinterperted

[unkempt apex]

well he does seem to confirm a sprint feature.. goddamn is his voice annoying tho

[frail bloom]

Im sorry

[frail bloom]

He doesn't sound like that, I'm used to it

[obsidian shard]

But he doesn't bring up a source

[placid saffron]

"the run ability from the classics will make a surprising comeback. This feature will allow you to rapidly maneuver--"
Pretty vague but he's also readin from a secondary source so

[autumn dawn]

annoying voice, then i'm turning on auto captions and 0% volume

[obsidian shard]

And It's Not in The Magazine

[frail bloom]

Well it's weird because he's been right on everthing else

[unkempt apex]

Source: trust me bro

[placid saffron]

😭 did he ask for an AI summarize? because that sounds like something that AI would make up

[obsidian shard]

Hmphh Made a Video on Making fun of his voice

[unkempt apex]

AI would sound better than that

[obsidian shard]

Real

[autumn dawn]

oh yeah look at the vocabulary

[placid saffron]

that's just mean tbh

[autumn dawn]

looks pretty AI to me

[frail bloom]

Idk he's been right with everything else, should I ask him?

[delicate grotto]

Ah, I actually do remember watching that lol. Guess I forgot it was reported from a magazine.
Hope it’s integrated seamlessly. Don’t want clunky movement features. I’ll keep an open mind though.

[unkempt apex]

"We also have sprint in the game now," creative director Hugo Martin told media in a presentation ahead of the game's appearance at Xbox Developer Direct.

[obsidian shard]

Ok

Hope it's Like the Classics then

[placid saffron]

i love archaic game features that don't have a reason to exist except developer legacy!!

[obsidian shard]

And we can use weapons while Sprinting

[placid saffron]

i hope not,, because again it's just a waste to even have

[unkempt apex]

id rather have sprint vs dash tbh.. but to each their own

[autumn dawn]

i bet the jump button will be messed up with the addition of sprint

[frail bloom]

Dude the sprinting is there for crowd control and to traverse their large areas, it's probably not a button

[hard thistle]

@placid saffron somebody needs a wahamblance

[placid saffron]

dash atleast has a consideration to use, what does sprint have in this case?

[unkempt apex]

i like it more

[autumn dawn]

we don't even need straferunning, when we literally have a jump button

[placid saffron]

but for what reason

[unkempt apex]

why would i try to convince someone that thinks it useless?

[autumn dawn]

in eternal, dash could instantly stagger zombies

[obsidian shard]

As long as I can keep it Perma on like Classic DOOM, I don't care

[autumn dawn]

it dealt damage, even if just a little

[wheat sigil]

not hardcore, most "hardcore" eternal fans dislike glory kills

[placid saffron]

yeah but if it's like the OG then it's just your base speed

[hard thistle]

@placid saffron. Levels are a lot bigger, do you want to walk everywhere

[unkempt apex]

im sure they will have upgrades with the shield and sprinting

[autumn dawn]

i mean we can bunny hop, or boost like with the ballista

[obsidian shard]

There is a good reason why they are getting rid of the Animations for them

[frail bloom]

Yeah it's probably upgrades, not sure yet

[delicate grotto]

I’m hoping it isn’t a button. Would be a waste of space and only add to complexity that isn’t needed- at all.
Considering TDA is trying to streamline its mechanics, I’d say it probably is automatic in some way.

[frail bloom]

Yeah me too

[placid saffron]

yes. Base speed should be brought up to better make sense within it's level design or they should redesign the levels to actually properly fit the speed you are given

[wheat sigil]

yup! the forced animations are just bad xd

[unkempt apex]

i kind of like that each doom game has its own thing instead of just copying everything from the last game

[placid saffron]

😭 i hope not, upgrades that are just QOL like "you can now attack while sprinting!" have always sucked

[autumn dawn]

why don't they just make the sprint the regular movement speed instead of having to toggle it

[delicate grotto]

I mean, I love Eternal and its GKs, but I guess it isn’t fair to generalize based on my personal preference. Still, most arguments I’ve seen about the GK system are from sole Eternal fans.

[obsidian shard]

Hugo Straight Up said in the interview Prior, It was due to Enemies surrounding and Killing and Other Glory kills couldn't get reached in time

[unkempt apex]

i wouldnt want to be always sprinting

[obsidian shard]

I have Extended Stagger State For this Reason in Eternal

As a Rune

[frail bloom]

I'm not sure dude, it's just faster walking speed like what's the big fuss about

[autumn dawn]

what was the purpose of the ctrl button in Eternal?

-Frostbite, a non Eternal player

[obsidian shard]

If I can perma It, Who care

[obsidian shard]

Dawg😭

[wheat sigil]

getting surrounded after GKs is an issue with your positioning, not reaching them is an issue with your movement, unless the GK is totally surrounded, but then you don't want that GK anyways

[autumn dawn]

i meant ctrl button imsorry

[placid saffron]

because at that moment it's not "just faster walking speed", no you have a button to slow you down for no reason. There is simply no reasson to include it

[wheat sigil]

there is a crouch mechanic..

[frail bloom]

But you don't know if it's a button or a feature or what

[placid saffron]

i mean it didn't make sense in 2016, that's why they just removed the button and automated it in eternal

[obsidian shard]

IMP fireballs and Projectiles are an issue even if I Fly Away

[delicate grotto]

Crouch only existed in 2016 for a total of like, 4 secrets lmao

[placid saffron]

in 2016 you used crouch for a singular attack at the final boss :)
and you could just not either

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that too

[autumn dawn]

so what did ctrl do in eternal

[unkempt apex]

Anyone who doesn't want to use sprint doesn't have to, just keybind something else to that key

[delicate grotto]

I’m on console, I assume either equipment or dash

[placid saffron]

it doesn't matter, the overall design space is the same

[autumn dawn]

if ctrl did nothing useful, then that means we have an extra key to bind something to

[wheat sigil]

projectiles are always an issue, that's how you die lol
you can make GKs competely harmless

[sleek ermine]

It was like uh switching between flame belch ice bomb and stuff

[unkempt apex]

I constantly edit keys in games anyways

[autumn dawn]

oh

[placid saffron]

yeah but you're loosing out on a possible key to use for the base configuration, which limits how many different inputs you can even have, which is limited on console

[autumn dawn]

well we don't really have the equipment launcher in TDA anyways

[obsidian shard]

They wait for you to finish GKs

[obsidian shard]

Exactly

[unkempt apex]

Never rly been an issue with id games before imo

[frail bloom]

Design space? I don't know if it takes a button, I don't know what they mean by sprintability, the levels are larger, so they need to accomodate for that

[unkempt apex]

Especially since they use the same key press for multiple things now

[plain iron]

I think we do

[delicate grotto]

TDA seems to be designed around console, based on the repeated “Only one input” commentary from Hugo, lol.
There were complaints that Eternal was a little too bloated with its control scheme and considering Microsoft owns Bethesda now- wouldn’t be surprised if there was an emphasis on streamlining everything for controller.

[wheat sigil]

nope, they don't lol

[obsidian shard]

We have a Turret on our Shoulder, But it's from a Rune

[plain iron]

I think we see it in that scene where doomguy walks into the room, that one w the really big door

[autumn dawn]

we never saw any evidence of an equipment launcher in any footage tho so we don't completely know that

[unkempt apex]

Also you can edit keybinds on controller for consoles in doom lol

[autumn dawn]

maybe i'll just shut up, i never finished the preview of TDA

[obsidian shard]

That's The Shoulder Turret

[placid saffron]

the levels are larger, so they need to accomodate for that
yes so you just... move up the base speed at which you move. There's no reason to add a button which just slows you down
Design space?
the general idea-space it takes up within the game's design. A sprint is to just... move faster, doesn't matter much if it's a "feature" or "ability"

[delicate grotto]

That’s true, just saying that a sprint button would go against what they seem to be trying to achieve with TDA’s game design

[plain iron]

Looks close enough 😭

[unkempt apex]

Not rly

[obsidian shard]

Bro look at the Statue

[frail bloom]

So is it a button or not, do you know?

[unkempt apex]

No, it will be a telepathic command

[delicate grotto]

An extra button for a single purpose, that doesn’t need to be in the game, is a waste of space imo. Especially with the limited inputs controller has.

[placid saffron]

also i do want to add: don't think of an OG doom as a "sprint" button, it's a "slow down" button

[autumn dawn]

we don't need a "hol up slow down" button like what if you dont unbind it, and in the heat of battle you accidentslly click it

[delicate grotto]

But I don’t care that much, so long as the game feels good to play

[unkempt apex]

Going against game design and going against your opinion are vastly different things

[obsidian shard]

Precisely

[frail bloom]

Alr I give up, imma wait till march 31 and ask the people who played it

[autumn dawn]

that's why we're hypothesizing on what we think the devs could do to make the game good

[unkempt apex]

It's not a waste of a button when you can just keybind it to something different

[placid saffron]

i already mentioned, it still is a waste because it means the developers can't develop another feature which could have gone on that button

[delicate grotto]

The design of the game is streamlining every input. It’s less complex so controllers can have an easier time. This is in response to Eternal’s bloated controller scheme. Adding an unnecessary input goes against that philosophy.

[unkempt apex]

You mean the developers that developed the sprint feature in the first place?

[autumn dawn]

i 𝘸𝘪𝘴𝘩 i had contact with youtubers

[placid saffron]

yeah, those ones

[unkempt apex]

I'll take their lead on this one then

[frail bloom]

You could just comment on their channel, they're very responsive

[placid saffron]

Appeal to authority

[unkempt apex]

Whatever helps you sleep at night 😂

[placid saffron]

plus just because someone is designing a game doesn't mean they are omnipotant experts in game design lol

[unkempt apex]

That's ironic

[obsidian shard]

Its id

[placid saffron]

do woodchippers never make a mistake chopping down a tree? No because not everyone is perfect

[autumn dawn]

eh.... おやすみなさい everyone good luck with TDA news

[placid saffron]

anyways, this ads nothing to the convo

[placid saffron]

back to this comment

what does a slow down button add that should be more important then an actual feature which interacts with the rest of the game

[obsidian shard]

Secrets

[placid saffron]

how does it interact with secrets

[obsidian shard]

Combat might need it

[obsidian shard]

How you get to them

[placid saffron]

so i can only get certain secrets if i slow down? why are such secrets in the game?

[delicate grotto]

Not every design choice is going to stick, it’s a fair assumption that a sprint button wouldn’t feel the best in modern Doom.
We’ll just have to see how it plays out when the game releases.

[obsidian shard]

We don't know, Can't Complain or Hype up a Feature we Literally know nothing about

[autumn dawn]

sprinting around, dodging everything around you

presses slow down button

gets hit and loses a ton of health

[placid saffron]

uhhh yes we can?

this is just general game design talk, we already left DA specific talk a bit ago

[obsidian shard]

I'm talking about The Sprint in the Dark Ages

We know Nothing about it

[placid saffron]

yeah and we made the assumption it would act like OG doom's sprint, which means that it's just a slow down button and i'm asking what that would add in a game

[obsidian shard]

We don't Know, we have to wait

[unkempt apex]

Nothing for you, but something for others

[placid saffron]

like what

[unkempt apex]

Sprinting

[autumn dawn]

in the OG doom, if you had always sprint on, you had to sometimes slow down because the movement was so slippery

[obsidian shard]

Ya

[placid saffron]

no, it would add the ability to slow down, come again

[obsidian shard]

Sometimes we all need to slow down

[autumn dawn]

now, this is a AAA game, there's no need for that slow down button because there's easier land maneuverability

[unkempt apex]

Some ppl like different walking speeds in games.. just because it's useless to you doesn't mean it's useless to others but go off

[wheat sigil]

no

[obsidian shard]

Darn

[autumn dawn]

then we complain about glory kills slowing down the pacing

[wheat sigil]

they do, and it's annoying

[obsidian shard]

That's what happened in Eternal, People did Hence why id is Changing it

[placid saffron]

difference is one just makes you move slower and the other makes you basically stunned

[unkempt apex]

Glory kills are just for health I thought.. dying would slow it down worse

[autumn dawn]

yeah they do, so what's the point of a slow down button

[obsidian shard]

The Animations of the Glory Kills

[placid saffron]

and the slipperyness wouldn't really add anything, so you can just... not have it be slippery

[unkempt apex]

2 second animations don't get me worked up tbh

[wheat sigil]

over 1000 hours, it stacks up

[autumn dawn]

the point is, you could have a very thin platform to balance on, and slippery surfaces messes you up and you fall into a 20 damaging floor

modern doom simply just removes that

[unkempt apex]

Still not something I care about.. I didn't say you didn't have to care about it or keep asking you why you feel that way.. to each their own

[placid saffron]

you care enough about it to comment multiple times about it

[autumn dawn]

私は寝たいです。

[unkempt apex]

Me not caring about 2 second animations and commenting about it are two different things

[placid saffron]

yeah, and it has a good reason for it because slippery surfaces tend to be a meh gimmick

[obsidian shard]

They were in the classic games

Difference from falling off and not

TDA could have this but we don't know

Hence why I'm saying useless to complain

[placid saffron]

yeah and that doesn't mean it's a good asset. OG doom is over 30 years old, and while it did a lot of things right, it is not perfect

[unkempt apex]

In your opinion

[obsidian shard]

It's a good asset for that game, cause it made you think

[placid saffron]

so you would genuinely say OG doom is perfect with not a singular flaw or shortcoming in it?

[obsidian shard]

Can't be just shoot, Hugo wants us to think

He says that all the time

[unkempt apex]

32 years after the fact.. I think it's useless to judge a game

Especially since ppl are still playing and enjoying it today

[obsidian shard]

It was good then, it's good now

[placid saffron]

you can always learn something from a game... no matter how old it is

[unkempt apex]

Yeah but are we learning something useful by judging a game that came out in 1993? Prob not

[placid saffron]

actually we can, that's also kind of what the retro revival was about...

[unkempt apex]

Well agree to disagree then

[obsidian shard]

There's a difference from
Complaining about stuff we don't know about vs we do. Hence why we can't complain about the new sprint we know Nothing of it, We don't how It works, How much faster, if it passive

We don't know

[placid saffron]

sometimes commercialized new games have a very weird design assumption in them which an older game didn't, and someone looking back at those older games can revitalize the entire genre and break them out of the design stagnation

[unkempt apex]

Exactly.. it's different having an opinion vs telling someone they are wrong

[obsidian shard]

Exactly

It could be The Worst thing ever or the Best but we cont judge that

[placid saffron]

yeah, but that's irrelevant. We're not as much "complaining" about DA as just talking about the general design philosophy of the feature itself

[obsidian shard]

Since we know Nothing of it

[placid saffron]

everyone knows not a single game has ever had a sprint button before!

[unkempt apex]

Oh our opinion of the game isn't wrong, it's our philosophy on game design that is.. my bad

[delicate grotto]

My only gripe with OG Doom are the fucking arrows plastered on the floor telling me where to go lmao

[obsidian shard]

If we knew how it worked that's Critiquing,
But we don't henceforth it's Complaining

[placid saffron]

i don't think that's part of either of those definitions

[placid saffron]

i think you still don't understand what i'm talking about

which just makes it even weirder that you where whining so hard about my comments if you didn't even understand...

[obsidian shard]

It literally is

[unkempt apex]

Oh now it's my comprehension that is bad

[obsidian shard]

Oh they were commenting on your thing

[placid saffron]

yeah i think you still don't and now you're just commenting on the words you do 😭

[unkempt apex]

I said I liked sprinting more vs dashing and you have been interrogating me ever since lol

[delicate grotto]

Speaking of OG Doom, would love to see the Vassagos return in TDA. Although Legacy of Rust may have been developed much later during TDA’s development, allowing no room to add them.

[unkempt apex]

Trying to convince me how I'm wrong when we clearly have different opinions

[obsidian shard]

VAGARY

[placid saffron]

no i was trying to have a discussion about game design with you

[obsidian shard]

From DOOM3

[unkempt apex]

By trying to convince me that sprinting is a useless feature

[placid saffron]

if there is no strategical consideration for it then yeah it is a mechanically useless feature

[delicate grotto]

Ah yeah! That’s what they were called. I think those giant mechanical spider demons might be a recreation of that design.

[obsidian shard]

Clearly yall are having 2 Different discusions, One of Game Design in General and the other for specific game

[delicate grotto]

They look similar enough

[unkempt apex]

I disagree

[obsidian shard]

YES i hope they are

[delicate grotto]

Would be sick

[placid saffron]

no you don't

[unkempt apex]

So mad when someone doesn't agree with them lol

[obsidian shard]

you cant use General Game Design Logic on one Game as there design will be different

[obsidian shard]

Bro all the Demons look so freaking cool

so peak