the-dark-ages

[winter idol]

uh

[plain iron]

THAT IS NOT MAYKR WHITE.

That is silver.

[winter idol]

this is silver

[plain iron]

Its the same colour 😭

[prime sentinel]

So what you’re saying is that the white thing on his chest lets him go god mode?

[winter idol]

i see 2 colors

[prime sentinel]

Because when the electricity comes out of this thing is when his eyes get the yellow around them, looks like control to me

[plain iron]

Not exactly. I do agree it has something to do w maykrs, I'd say it's something else that they are doing

[winter idol]

IS IT WHITE AND GOLD OR BLACK AND BLUE?

[plain iron]

ITS THE DRESS ALL OVER AGAIN

[prime sentinel]

He doesn’t look like he likes whatever it’s doing

[plain iron]

I've always seen it as black n blue

Never could see how someone sees it as gold and white

[winter idol]

but yea nowhere else on the armor is gold, its all silver and green and brown

the buckle above it and the shoulder armor is silver

the ring is more of a cream color

[plain iron]

Ehh I can kinda see it

[prime sentinel]

That’s his buzz light year button and when you press it it alerts the maykrs that he’s being naughty

[plain iron]

Yall watch, the game is gonna release and we'll be all wrong 💀

I also might be coping bcs I already hate drawing TDA slayer

[prime sentinel]

I just thought the thing he was saying over the footage was what the footage was of

[winter idol]

its actually uac tech that samuel sent back in time and secretely installed on the slayers armor for no reason

[plain iron]

Samuel is already there 😭

If he's not in TDA I might cry

[prime sentinel]

Imagine making Samuel Hayden cool

(Doom eternal forgot to do this)

[plain iron]

SAMUR MAYKR PLEASE

I want to know how maykr drones change into the other forms of maykr

[prime sentinel]

The maykrs without their masks kind look like the spider mastermind

[plain iron]

Theyre not masks.

Maykrs are traditionally fully mechanical

[prime sentinel]

Okay then what is the khan maykrs deal

And why does she look like a spider mastermind under there

[plain iron]

She's already transfigured, it's apart of their deathstate

[prime sentinel]

Not a lore head I genuinely don’t know this

[plain iron]

It's just a design choice probably 😭

[prime sentinel]

Fair enough I guess lol

[plain iron]

Maykr facial structure is weird

[prime sentinel]

Maybe it was just to make her look like the final boss of 2016

[plain iron]

They have several mandibles when transfigured, yet normally they do not

Two lower mandibles, 2 primary mandibles

We see it in Samur's design in particular

[prime sentinel]

Yeah he looks totally organic

[plain iron]

This tells me that they eat big food

Their jaws are interesting

They also lack ears

[inland beacon]

Fat maykr is the way he is because committed to many mukbang

[prime sentinel]

So they basically become organic before they die?

[plain iron]

Yup, pretty sure

[prime sentinel]

Okay that makes sense

[plain iron]

It's a normal thing, it's probably bcs Samur, in his stupid glory, moved the father's life sphere

Their life cycle is fucked up rn

I'd think it's like a bug

[inland beacon]

I hope the maykrs becoming lovecraftian horrors ties into quake somehow

[plain iron]

I hope it does too

Cause that's what happened to samur post TAG

[prime sentinel]

Okay so basically they use hell as a way to extend their lives

Kinda like how humans wanted to use argent for energy

[plain iron]

Eldritch horrors beyond comprehension :D

[plain iron]

Yea :]

[proud vine]

Hell makes argent energy iirc

[prime sentinel]

Yeah

[inland beacon]

Mabye shub (word i can say) is just a fucked up maykr

[proud vine]

Who?

[slender night]

Quake 1 villain

[prime sentinel]

Which kinda makes maykrs similar to humans in that way of wanting to use hell to their own devices

[plain iron]

Yeah maykrs are very fucked

Love em to bits tho

[prime sentinel]

Idk how hell kinda comes out looking like the least evil faction

[plain iron]

Cause it's not :3

[proud vine]

Hell it's not even a faction tbh

More like a primordial being

[prime sentinel]

Yeah it’s more like a force of nature that gets used by other factions seemingly

[plain iron]

The entire doom series is kinda a criticism on corporate greed

[inland beacon]

It makes no sense that samuel hayden returned to his maykr form in the ancient gods because while in his robot body he wasn’t affected by hells corruption but while in his maykr body he was.

[prime sentinel]

Right, I get that, well it wasn’t as clear in the old ones but it’s definitely a major theme in the current ones

And Doom 3

[slender night]

Franchise against corporate greed owned by Microsoft

[prime sentinel]

[plain iron]

Ironic isn't it

[prime sentinel]

Shh don’t tell anyone doom has themes, there’s enough talks of it being woke for daring to have difficulty sliders lmao

[plain iron]

Also chat do we risk conversation w a person I don't like to get the eternal art book + ravioli or nah

[proud vine]

Tbh the samuel hayden being a maykr plot twist felt out of nowhere imo

[inland beacon]

INCLUSIVITY IN MY DOOM

[plain iron]

It's been like that since at least late 2016

It's already a thing in eternal

And TAG just confirmed it

[proud vine]

I might have missed it then

[inland beacon]

They hinted at it a bit. I still feel like they could’ve revealed it more naturally though

[prime sentinel]

I feel that I was promised a sword fight with Hayden and it was ripped from me

[plain iron]

And VEGA's twist was obvious as soon as we saw the first maykr

[inland beacon]

“I only doo doo farded for the good of humanity”

[plain iron]

Hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @plain iron.

[inland beacon]

HOLY SHIT IS THAT VEGA

[slender night]

Toilet humor on Discord...

[plain iron]

I love vega

He coulda turned out like AM but no

He was a good boy :D

[inland beacon]

“Am i the father dr.hayden” out of context that line just sounds like Vega is worried that his wife cheated on him

[prime sentinel]

The Vega level is the best one in 2016 imo

[plain iron]

I love how we are shutting parts of him down

[proud vine]

AAAAAH VEGA I LOVE YOU!!!

[plain iron]

And his last line before we turn him off

"I have... many regrets, Dr Hayden."

[prime sentinel]

I think the slayer deciding to save him makes the slayer more human and symphonic

It’s probably the best character moment he gets in the game

[plain iron]

id software did a great job of endearing us to the slayer

[inland beacon]

I dont like the plot twist of vega being the father

[winter idol]

i dont like the plot twist of samuel being the seraphim

i liked samuel better as a human

[plain iron]

It's been there since 2016 as well 😭 just look at VEGA's core

[winter idol]

vegas core is literally a makyr head

[inland beacon]

Ngl never saw that connection until now

[prime sentinel]

Were maykrs ever even mentioned in 2016?

[inland beacon]

In the codex

[plain iron]

I hate when folk say its a "rushed" thing. Like... look at him

[winter idol]

i mean

[plain iron]

Yup, the seraphim in particular

[proud vine]

2016 story is basically all codex

[plain iron]

I like reading

[prime sentinel]

Maykrs weren’t designed yet? You can’t say it was intentional from the start of they weren’t visually designed yet

[plain iron]

look at it.

[prime sentinel]

Perhaps they worked backwards from vega’s design

[plain iron]

That's a very unlikely choice

[prime sentinel]

And it wasn’t decided until they made eternal

[plain iron]

The maykr concept design was all over the place

[inland beacon]

[proud vine]

I mean it's really easy to miss ngl

[plain iron]

I do have a few personal favourites

[prime sentinel]

Then once they decided they wanted Vega to be the father they could have based their design off of his

That doesn’t seem unlikely to me

This is a chicken and egg thing ha

[inland beacon]

I love fatass maykr

[plain iron]

Lemme get the art book (and a ravioli)

[inland beacon]

The egg came first

[plain iron]

The chonkyr is one of my favourite hear me outs

Bcs I ain't even joking when I'd say I'd kiss the chonkyr

[proud vine]

I wonder how he is gonna get cooked by the slayer

[prime sentinel]

No what I’m saying is that Vega looking like a maykr might have not been the case until they designed maykrs and therefore not intentional until after the fact

Meaning it was not actually set up in 2016

[inland beacon]

Its theoretically possible

[slender night]

But is it likely

[inland beacon]

Not necessarily

[plain iron]

Eehh we could ask the main artist. Emerson Tung

[prime sentinel]

Besides his design, what else about Vega points to him being the father in 2016?

[inland beacon]

Probably some codex bs

I dunno i never read the codex

[plain iron]

the codex also says that the main part of vega's something something was found at the argent fissure

Lemme get 2016 up

[proud vine]

I don't think the story was planned out AT ALL before eternal tbh

[inland beacon]

It was planned out a bit

A lot of plot was mentioned in the codex

[gilded lake]

maykr runes on some of vega's machinery seen when you go to blow him up

[prime sentinel]

But the maykrs weren’t designed until eternal right?

[proud vine]

And that is very easy to miss

[inland beacon]

I approve of the Quake 4 profile picture

[plain iron]

Hehe my controller looks like samuel

[inland beacon]

Yeah but it was there

[gilded lake]

ofc it's def likely that they put them there first to make shit look cool (connecting it w parts used to make him being found in the argent fissure) and thought of the maykrs later

[prime sentinel]

I’m legit curious because I’m not super familiar with the lore and I know people that were down with 2016’s lore and got mad at some retconning

[prime sentinel]

That’s what I assumed, I didn’t think it was properly set up and just got turned into something else in eternal

[gilded lake]

matthew kane my stroggy blorbo <3

[prime sentinel]

I played quake 4 recently and it just didn’t do it for me, the art design was nice but I wasn’t super into the level design or gameplay

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1337409082486952011/20250208_000517.jpg?ex=67a756c5&is=67a60545&hm=a0e073cdc8bd3cf0d0ad46a10eb110feb63da87e4e3a21e66fc2eb25d1aec2e1&

Look it's samuel

[prime sentinel]

That’s his cut design :p

[inland beacon]

My main question with the canon is when the fuck did the betrayers son get resurrected. It must have been before doom 2 because the icon was in doom 2

[plain iron]

IPAD HAYDEN

IPAD HAYDEN MENTIONED

[prime sentinel]

Doom 2’s icon is a different universe right?

[inland beacon]

THE LONGER YOU PLAY ON YOUR CONTROLLER THE MORE WORN OUT YOUR BATTERIES WILL BECOME

[prime sentinel]

Like doom 2’s earth is not the same as Eternal’s earth

[gilded lake]

tbh i love it mainly bc of the stroggification scene
forced body modification is like one of my favorite tropes ever

[inland beacon]

No. The classic and modern games share the same universe

[prime sentinel]

The slayer originates from doom 2’s earth but he now defends the modern earth

[prime sentinel]

No they’re different dimensions

[plain iron]

RELA REAL REAL

[plain iron]

Yuppers, different earths

[prime sentinel]

The slayer comes from doom 2 but he’s now in a different dimension

[inland beacon]

Where is this. Mabye i just missed it because i never fucking read the codex

[prime sentinel]

But hell is a conduit that connects all dimensions or something

[plain iron]

Yup

[prime sentinel]

It’s wild shit

[plain iron]

AHRHRHRVR

I'm going feral

[gilded lake]

icon of sin dies in classic doom -> valen's son is used to resurrect it -> icon of sin dies in doom eternal

[prime sentinel]

I think it’s referenced in 2016’s codex and confirmed in an eternal cutscene

[plain iron]

Tryna queue for some tf2 matches and it's fucking been 10 minutes

Get vega'd

[gilded lake]

:[

[prime sentinel]

The sentinels bring the slayer from hell before he gets in the divinity machine

Hell where he was trapped after doom 64

[plain iron]

Shout to Samur dawg

[prime sentinel]

Am I getting this right?

[plain iron]

Keeping me sane

[plain iron]

Pretty much :]

[gilded lake]

i found one (1) new piece of quake 4 fanart i haven't seen before and i can't stop thinking about it

[prime sentinel]

I’ve picked up just enough of these games’ lore to kinda get how it’s connected to the old games lmao

[plain iron]

that's happened w some doom art and it was delightful

it'd what happened w gearsbroth and it was delightful

[prime sentinel]

It’s a really cool scene, I wish the whole game was that cool

[gilded lake]

there's only three (3) kane fanarts that i know of 😔

[prime sentinel]

Even after stroggification, the level design is so cramped you don’t really have room to flex your new abilities

[plain iron]

How'd you think I feel w the intern and Olivia 😭

I love em sm .... .

[gilded lake]

and then the narrative does basically nothing with kane's stroggification afterwards 😔😔

[prime sentinel]

Enemies are a bit too spongey, level design boils down to “go here then come back”

Idk it had potential and it has a really cool art style that is super impressive for its time

[gilded lake]

every day i pray for a quake 4 remaster

by nightdive

[prime sentinel]

I think I’m meaner to it than doom 3 because doom 3 isn’t always trying to be an action game

[plain iron]

Chat I'm too fucking anxious to get the ravioli out of the fridge

[gilded lake]

hey did you know that it was supposed to have a expansion pack titled awakening that got cancelled

[prime sentinel]

Huh, no I didn’t

[gilded lake]

yeah there's a bunch of concept art that got released on imgur a while back; not sure if i can link it here but i'll dm you

[prime sentinel]

Wonder if that would be a bit too much work

[prime sentinel]

Sweet

I love nightdive and they worked wonders with Quake 2

But Quake 4’s level of detail and stuff might make it much more difficult to remaster, especially if they were to make sweeping gameplay changes to make it a bit more palatable to quake fans

[gilded lake]

couldn't dm you :[

[gilded lake]

i was thinking that yeah but also nightdive recently remastered the thing videogame and that's like an xbox era game so maybe

[prime sentinel]

Oh I’m sorry I probably have it turned off from a server thing

There I added you, you should be able to dm me

Wow this is neat

Almost reminds me of some HL2 concept art

[gilded lake]

a few whole 3d models in there too

[prime sentinel]

Interesting that they canned it

Was Microsoft partially funding quake 4 since it was a 360 launch title?

[gilded lake]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

iirc the reason why it got cancelled was because it wasn't performing up to expectations i think

[prime sentinel]

DLCs feel so different from old shooter expansions because it’s usually the same team, a lot of old expansions were made by different studios haha

Like TAG’s quality is much closer to the base game than say Ground Zero is to Quake 2

[gilded lake]

a new weapon and multiplayer maps that would've come with the expansion got added in an update tho

[gilded lake]

yeah

[prime sentinel]

Well that’s good at least, was Raven doing the expansion?

Or was it being outsourced?

[gilded lake]

awakening was being handled by ritual entertainment

[prime sentinel]

I kinda miss how they’d just let random studios make continuations to quake haha

[gilded lake]

funnily enough that's the same studio that did scrouge of armagon for quake 1,

[prime sentinel]

Imagine if they were just like “yeah raven, make the ancient gods part 1”

[prime sentinel]

Which one is that? Is that the one with the Egypt levels?

I always forget

[gilded lake]

the first expansion

armagon is the cyborg final boss

the one with time travel in it is dissolution of eternity

[prime sentinel]

Ahhh yeah

I think I like the second one a bit more

The first one kinda became amorphous to me after a few levels

[gilded lake]

that's fair

do you want to move this to #general

[prime sentinel]

Sure yeah I guess this is unrelated lol

[copper torrent]

It's hard to get a feel for the challenge from these gameplay videos.
Since the game is gonna be relatively slow, how can it be hard?
OG Doom's difficulty came more from the insane level design rather than the enemies. The Dark Ages wont have that either.
Can't be resource management either because the enemies drop all the resources, as is standard in this new era of Doom.
Maybe it'll be a projectile hell, like a first person Binding of Isaac

Btw, did did anybody see if there'll be a dash mechanic in this game?

[prime sentinel]

Seemingly no dash mechanic though it looks like you can snap to your shield saw

[inland beacon]

My main worry that i constantly bring up is that if its too different from the previous entries they wont have anything new to introduce to make a new quake or heretic ect

[barren ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225681374116057089/1337441194783014983/9jf4yu.jpg?ex=67a774ad&is=67a6232d&hm=d40c1c95afd76f3be84b83a7ceec798013d75254d19cdfcedb9f53fe4deb38cb&

[slender night]

I started my first playthrough of Frontiers yesterday actually, nice timing lol

[barren ember]

i played it like 10 time's already

the easiest 100% in my life

[slender night]

Nice nice

[burnt panther]

I don’t think I have ever 100% a game

[barren ember]

it's okay

[burnt panther]

Nah I don’t care that much i just thought it was funny I think the closest I got too was crackdown 2

[barren ember]

what game is called crackdown💀

[burnt panther]

The game where your a juiced up super cop fighting criminals with enough fire power to take over a small country

[barren ember]

yeah is shows

[burnt panther]

Sadly the series died with the third installment 😭

[silver oriole]

Cant wait for the switch port

[dusky shard]

So is anyone pre-ordering? I'm actually thinking about going for the collector's bundle.

[half umbra]

I’ve pre ordered, I was considering getting the collectors but I thought it was out of stock

[dark peak]

im gonna play this like in 2030 lolol

[dusky shard]

I just tried the Bethesda website and it was gonna take me to check out. Gonna hold off till I earn a bit more though. Really wish Gamestop had collector's edition so i don't have to pay the full price immediately.

[graceful lion]

you can check other websites that have it i tihnk

mb

but you can check fanatical, sells it for a bit cheaper

around 80 bucks instead of 100

[dusky shard]

For the collector's edition?

[graceful lion]

yes

[half umbra]

Yeah dude the game is running down my pockets

[latent fractal]

its 330 for the collectors edition for me

which is insane

[half umbra]

That is actually crazy

[latent fractal]

i am NOT paying for that💀

[hard thistle]

who else is feeling a huge retcon coming with this game? ngl I'd be up for that after seeing the carnage that tag 2 has caused lol

maybe the slayer could retcon himself back into reviving the franchise for all we'd know lol

[pastel pebble]

I feel like if anything is retconned, it'll be something thats small. I don't think they'll go and change something big in the story

[grim cloud]

there were retcons with each game, some times even between levels

I wodnl't trust any major plot developments in Doom Eternal. The only thing we can really stand by is the slayer testments for now

"Dark Lord is Actually the Doom 3 Marine"

[plain iron]

I assume ur Australian? If so that's a rather decent price for a collectors edition

The premium edition itself is over 100 bucks

The statue itself would make up the price

Then you add shipping and conversion fees

Overall, rather decent for its price

[summer summit]

If @latent fractal is Australian, then it must have sucked to deal with video games being more expensive in the land down under. As if having the government decide which movies/TV shows/games are appropriate for children or not wasn't bad enough.

[plain iron]

Yup, as a fellow Australian, its fucking balls

[graceful lion]

for me its 370

aed

[inland beacon]

As an American im buying things while i can because of the incoming terrifs

[latent fractal]

canadian

[gritty mist]

yall better make dark ages free

actually make it negative money

the devs pay the players for buying it

[delicate grotto]

Uh?

[graceful lion]

i think bro doesnt like the dark ages

its ok bro alot of people suffered during that time

[arctic pagoda]

Can't believe someone stole it

That woman from the dark ages stole something important....my heart

[graceful lion]

what is a woman?

[unkempt dragon]

your mom

[graceful lion]

wait really?

[sonic turret]

A woman's a woman.

As opposed to a man.

[graceful lion]

i see

that is very interesting

is it anew species coming to doom?

[sonic turret]

No

[graceful lion]

oh ok

[slim nexus]

Just curious to see if anyone knows if the system requirements (storage) has been released for PlayStation?

[delicate grotto]

You’re going to need at least 100gb of free storage.
ID optimizes their games well, but this is the biggest Doom game they’ve made yet. It’s also much more demanding than previous installments.

Doom Eternal sits around 100 gigs with DLC included

Doom 2016 is about 70-80gb iirc

[slim nexus]

Thank you. Now i just have to get internal storage because im tapped.

[tranquil moss]

2016 is 60 gigabytes, eternal is about 80 gigabytes with dlc so yeah 100gb is reasonable

[delicate grotto]

Ah, my bad then. My SnapMap data probably inflated the storage a bit. 2016 sits at 78 gigs for me.

[arctic pagoda]

2016 is around 80gb

Eternal with all dlc is 106

Right snap map

[tranquil moss]

2016 on my end sits at 65 gigabytes

[hard thistle]

Lemme settle the debate. Is doom the dark ages woke for having a difficulty sliders? (It's not woke people)

[languid rampart]

Absolutely fucking not

[heavy sandal]

Gulps

I don’t know if I have that 😔

[burnt panther]

I don’t think there is an actual person that thinks this

That isn’t trolling

[prime wolf]

Will doom the dark ages be available for nintendo switch oled?

[plucky plinth]

No, it won’t be available for any switch model

[pastel pebble]

So I'm assuming that the champion of hell will most likely be a boss fight in TDA either in the main campaign or dlc depending on when it takes places. What do you all hope the boss fight is like? I really hope it's nothing like the icon of sin boss fight 😭🙏

[arctic pagoda]

Apparently to some, accessibility options are woke

Fellas, is it woke to enjoy a game? A fine succulent Chinese game?

[hazy mist]

Woke lost its meaning

Now it just means anything you don’t like

[arctic pagoda]

Yea

My socks are woke

[pastel pebble]

You haven't lived if you never spent a day feeling like a wet sock

[slender onyx]

no

how the hell is that even a conversation?

[burnt panther]

People trying to create controversy for views

[arctic pagoda]

Yee

New fantastic four looks good

[earnest swift]

Shouldn’t be available for any Switch, including S2.

I doubt id will bother with a last-gen port.

[scenic lichen]

think the answer is pretty obvious here, its not woke

"woke" has lost all of its meaning when a game is adding a feature meant to cater to both new and experienced players

god forbid a game adds an inclusive feature

[silver oriole]

It will be on the 3ds

[vocal geyser]

so should I expect to see Daisy or does that happen after this game?

[plain iron]

Daisy happened in classic doom.

[vocal geyser]

and this is like way before that, so yeah I guess that would be too early

[plucky plinth]

Actually, TDA is after the Classic Doom games

it's after 64, before 2016

[vocal geyser]

oh I thought it was like a prequel to everything

[plucky plinth]

nah

[vocal geyser]

so that means Daisy's already dead

[plucky plinth]

yes

[vocal geyser]

i guess I shouldn't expect to see Doomguy's family either

[plucky plinth]

correct

[plain iron]

We probably never will

[winter idol]

i dont think anyone actually cares about his family, like thats not what the series is about

[formal hill]

Raise your hands if you are all excited for TDA?

[plain iron]

The series is however, about corporate greed

[formal hill]

The series is also about doomslayer going to hell and fighting demons.

[plain iron]

Who'd you think brought the demons to earth in nudoom?

It was due to corporate greed, and general disregard for the small people

[mossy juniper]

Do we have any photos of the new armor where the back is visible under the cape?

Working on a 3D model and realized I don't have any references for that

[woven jolt]

no, but I typically prefer normal difficulty options

[woven jolt]

did the portal open on purpose or was it an accident

[solar drift]

They released an image of the concept art for the Dark Ages design that has a back image without the cape. Can't share the link but if you look up the Dark Ages Digital Artbook and Soundtrack on the Xbox site, it's there.

[obsidian shard]

It's pretty cool

[empty ridge]

Is DOOM 3 really canon?

[delicate grotto]

Yes but it has nothing to do with the main story. Doom Eternal confirmed there’s different Earths/Worlds, which Urdak and Hell have access to.
Doom 3 is its own separate story. Canon to the universe of the games but disconnected from the main timeline. @empty ridge

[empty ridge]

Why is it canon?

[slender night]

Why isn't it?

[delicate grotto]

It’s been confirmed to be by the developers.
There’s also small hints towards its existence in the latest games, like the Soul Cube being in the Lazarus Labs of Doom 2016.

[empty ridge]

Could you tell me when it was stated by the devs?

[delicate grotto]

Sure it’s mostly a neat Easter egg, but it also ties is with the lore 2016 and Eternal set up

[delicate grotto]

I don’t remember the exact video, but it was during one of the Ancient Gods DLC streams a while back.
Hugo Martin, the lead game director, said it was. Iirc

[empty ridge]

I just watched an interview where Hugo martin denied it was canon

[delicate grotto]

It’s not canon to the main story, but it’s canon to the “Doom universe”, if that makes sense. I remember that being clarified at some point.

It’s also the general consensus the community has.

[empty ridge]

I'll search it, the soul cube is no argument, it breaks the lore

I found that in TAG1 there is Betrugers castle

Still searching for the stream

[delicate grotto]

As I’ve said, Hell and Urdak transcend all worlds. It explains why Eternal takes place on a different Earth. The same argument could be made for Doom 3’s existence.

[empty ridge]

That's no argument, the fact it can fit doesn't mean it's the correct jigsaw puzzle of the same group

That's why i want hugo words

I think DOOM 3 is canon, the only useful thing that has been said is the stream of the ancient gods

[delicate grotto]

I doubt you’ll be able to find it without watching them all to be honest. Given I can’t cite the exact one, I wouldn’t bother. Fair to be skeptical though.
Just to clarify, Doom 3 has no connection to the Slayer’s story. The protagonist in 3 is not related. It’s just its own world. See it as the MCU or DCU, or whatever you want to call it. It’s like that.

[empty ridge]

I know, i have talked about DOOM 3 as part of the canon

[delicate grotto]

Ah gotcha, mb then

[wheat sigil]

Doom 3 is canon, but it takes place in another multiverse, the thing that connects it is that there's only 1 hell

[delicate grotto]

Exactly this

[wheat sigil]

It isn't relevant to the slayer's life, but it is canon

[empty ridge]

God! Read the channel first

[delicate grotto]

It’s pretty neat how there’s 1 Hell across all games. I like the creative liberties Eternal took with that.

[wheat sigil]

I only know of 2 things that connect D3 to the rest, and it's that the martians and sentinels seem to be the same, and inscriptions from hell match between games (or something like that lol)

[empty ridge]

That implies DOOM 3 earth and DOOM 2016 Earth are the same and you have to deal with how it fits with Hebeth

[empty ridge]

He did said it was canon but later corrected it in an interview
He said it was only related by visuals which causes more problems

How hugo

He was asked if DOOM 3 was canon because he said it in a livestream, he said that DOOM 3 is not, how does that work

I need help

I want DOOM 3 to be canon, stop it hugo

[delicate grotto]

Ah I see, interesting. I take it that he meant moreso not related to the Slayer, but we won’t know for sure until we get actual confirmation from the Devs ig.
That’s too bad then. I’d still say it’s safe to assume it’s interconnected, now with Doom being a multiverse and all- but I get wanting concrete proof.

Doom’s lore is quite convoluted already lol.
Too bad this server took down the lore channel. It’ll probably pop back up after TDA releases.

[empty ridge]

What moreso means?

Oh

[charred wolf]

Okay, so this is a prequel to Doom 2016 but does it happen from the start of the servitude for the Argentias, or after getting juiced up in the machine that I totally forget the name of right now? Or has none of that been teased in interviews yet?

[empty ridge]

After getting juiced up by the Divinity machine

You serve the Khan Maykr and fight the Unholy Crusade

[hard thistle]

Mean

Ancient

Brutal torture machines

Built to butcher

Impale

And shred the minions of hell with

[vagrant path]

I'd say not to take anything hugo states as actual fact

[plain iron]

Yeah he famously ruins lore by what he says

[vagrant path]

he's a good director but jesus christ he's shit at lorecrafting

[plain iron]

Real and true 😭

He gives us great games but FUCK he doesn't like expanding on the species that inhabit the games

[round cape]

Would a more melee-oriented approach in a typical run and gun shooter like doom work at all? Just curious.

[fallen wraith]

Pretty much only if the enemy either doesn’t have ranged attacks or has very weak ranged attacks, but I see it working

[arctic pagoda]

Metal music and mighty men

[wooden acorn]

Just realized I’ve failed my duties….
Day 16 of 112

[arctic pagoda]

Oof

[tribal lagoon]

The parts of Doom 3 that are 100% canon (in this case being connected to the other games) are:
-The Hell in Doom 3 is apart of the Hell we see in every other Doom game (Hell is a constant across universes)

-The “Martian Hero” was made to be the Doom Slayer. Before it was just a reference to the old games but 2016 and Eternal changed that

-The demon variants exist in the other Doom games but we simply just don’t ever see them since Hell is so vast

-(I’m like 90% sure on this one) Maligog was a Dark Lord

[sonic turret]

Yes, he originally said it was, then he admitted that he mightve mispoken, but m0no believes that it still is canon and exists in an alternate dimension which the Slayer had also visited.

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I mean he's generally a design guy, after having been an automotive designer and was the Creative Director on Doom 2016. I'm guessing the lore's written by someone else.

[thorn anvil]

Just Pre-ordered. I'm ready to rip and tear. Midevil style 🔥

[lyric leaf]

fuck yeah. gonna pre order soon as well

[pastel pebble]

How do you guys think the main story will end for TDA? I think it might end with the civil war starting and the DLC will go into that and the betrayal and end with the slayer in his coffin

[jaunty copper]

What you mean TDA?

[languid rampart]

The Dark Ages

[jaunty copper]

Ok

[empty ridge]

If As i said, the fact that the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle fits, doesn't mean it's meant to be for the same group of jigsaw pieces, you are saying that DOOM 3 is 100% canon but in games there is nothing to relate that, what Hugo said puts it's canonicity into really vague almost like saying Final DOOM is 100% canon

[empty ridge]

Yes, most likely

[empty ridge]

Which he can't prove

[hard thistle]

It would be the second time a dlc has ended with the slayer getting put into the coffin. Which is quite hilarious I think

Wouldn't be against it

[pastel pebble]

Bro can't catch a break 😭

[pastel pebble]

I wouldn't be surprised if it goes this route because if they are going over the entire story of the slayer testaments then theres so much they have to cover with it so I think it would make since for the story to be split up into the dlc

[empty ridge]

If there is no timeskips the game can not be an start and end of the Argenta Civil War

[wooden acorn]

I will Never recover from this, I understand if you must exile me :(

[pastel wigeon]

or could be what happens between doom 2016 and eternal

[hard thistle]

They won't do that, they'd have to overhaul the gameplay to fit the context

[pastel wigeon]

how so?

[hard thistle]

Would it make sense for the doom slayer, between 2016 and eternal, to have access to weapons such as the skull crusher, nail gun or the chainsaw shield?

[pastel wigeon]

We dont know where the slayer was teleported to when sent to hell after Samuels betrayal

[hard thistle]

Wasnt eternals dlc supposed to be a prequel during the sentinel era?

[hard thistle]

This is exactly why they ditched that for the ancient gods

[pastel wigeon]

nah it was supposed to be the war on earth where we play as someone else

but scrapped for obv reasons

[hard thistle]

Yeah but i also remember it being a prequel set in the unholy crusades

At least somebody said it was

[pastel wigeon]

I only heard of the war on earth

could be since there was 2 dlc releases

[empty ridge]

Wrong, the Hell priests are before being demonized, The Slayer serves the Khan Maykr
And Argent D'Nur is still standing and we don't have the Praetor armour

[pastel wigeon]

"random shit go!" type of statement

Im talking about when the dlc could take place and my guess is between the games i said above, since there are story elements we could play through. Like escaping where ever Samuel sent sent us, and then finding and killing the first hell priest protector

[empty ridge]

The DLC for TDA continues the campaign

[pastel wigeon]

Can you show where this was said?

[empty ridge]

In the collectors edition is called "campaign DLC", putting it after 2016 means changing the whole game and mechanics

[young matrix]

So question, do we know if TDA is gonna have Linux support? 2016 and Eternal has it

[pastel wigeon]

Ummm... obviously the dlc is in the campaign mode....

doesnt add any evidence that its set to take place right after the end of the normal campaign or be a continuation of the current problem. It could totally be a whole new campaign like it was in eternal

[half plaza]

I know the pieces fit

[hard thistle]

Hugo outright said the game will cover the entire slayers testaments

If youve read it you know how its exactly going to end

[pastel wigeon]

the argument is what the dlc will cover

[hard thistle]

Yeah everything before 2016

Before the slayers entombmemt

[pastel wigeon]

Yea and im saying the the dlc could take place between 2016 and eternal

[empty ridge]

So what's more possible to you, the next parts that the testaments covers and the codex that TDA will most likely be unable to, or a period time where we don't have the shield, can jump and move like 2016 and only get a shotgun and no evidence of any other weapon in the fortress of DOOM

And that is terribly disconnected to the Argenta period of time

[empty ridge]

It can, but it most likely won't, there is no reason to believe it will other than the lack of information

[pastel wigeon]

The slayer couldve been ripped of all his weapons and double jump boots when betrayed by Samuel. The slayer was stripped of everything when entombed

[empty ridge]

I never said those were wrong

[pastel wigeon]

and in eternal we see that in the slayers hub that he has a huge mech.

[empty ridge]

That's only because it's his Atlan from TDA time

[pastel wigeon]

yes

ties in directly to TDA wouldnt you say

[empty ridge]

He got the fortress of DOOM, the Atlan was already not functioning

[empty ridge]

No

[pastel wigeon]

How would you explain the jump from 2016 to eternal then?

He had to go back to Argent Dunur

[empty ridge]

A comic as originally Hugo said or in TDA a reference to where the fortress ended and where Deag Nylox had his future champion

[empty ridge]

The fortress could be in Hell, Nylox champion aswell

2016 to Eternal is irrelevant in my opinion, we just need to know where the fortress was left and where Nylox would have his future champion

[pastel wigeon]

Hence why im saying that it makes sense for the dlc to take place then

makes more sense for the dlc to take place then since it actually has a story to follow up on too

[empty ridge]

TDA is not yet in the Civil War which took years, if there is no timeskips it makes so much more sense to continue what TDA couldn't because of time which is very important to DOOM lore and connects with the testaments and last parts of the codex

[pastel wigeon]

TBH more people would want the story of what happened between 2016 and eternal. Hearing about the civil war? BORING!! Like we all know how it ends, the slayers gets too kill happy and get trapped and a building dropped on him, stripped bare. Him and his armor are entombed

After that argent dunur falls

no much story to go on about since it follows directly into 2016

[hard thistle]

Lmao speak for yourself

[pastel wigeon]

even then the civil war was between the king and the khan makers

not much demon killing there since it would expose the lies of the khans

[empty ridge]

We don't know much of it, Civil War, betrayal then The Slayer stays in Hell and does things and then gets trapped, don't you know that 2016 to Eternal is just Doomslayer finding the fortress, killing Nylox champion and that's it? It's so much more interesting to see the the blanks of the codex that some little timeskip that could be just a level...

[hard thistle]

The khan maykr is literally working with hell

[pastel wigeon]

yes

would rather have that then a story that we already know about

[hard thistle]

That would ruin the flow of the story wouldnt it

[pastel wigeon]

going to 2016?

[hard thistle]

As computer said its far disconnected from the point of time before his entombment

[pastel pebble]

Thats gonna be the majority of TDA tho. I do agree with the idea tho of seeing what happened between 2016 and eternal. I don't know if they'll still be doing the comic book for it but if we actually got to play it then that would be pretty fun and interesting

[delicate grotto]

Could be DLC, although that’s a stretch given the context of TDA

[pastel wigeon]

the story in the campaign should end with the slayer being entombed no?

[hard thistle]

No

[pastel pebble]

I feel like maybe at the end of TDA they somehow setup the Civil war and between the DLC and main game with a small time jump

[pastel wigeon]

isnt the game going to cover all of the testaments?

[hard thistle]

Whole thing literally takes many years they cant just pack it all in one campaign

[delicate grotto]

I was thinking it’ll end that way, or at least end with him and the Night Sentinels getting trapped in Hell after the priests and Khan turned on them.

[pastel wigeon]

the game is 20 hours long from what i heard

they totally could

[hard thistle]

No they cany

Without adding timeskips mid game

Ruins the flow of the story

[pastel wigeon]

they kinda have to add timeskips

[pastel pebble]

Overall we're just gonna have to wait and see 😭 I think either way its still gonna be an awesome campaign

[pastel wigeon]

^^^^

[hard thistle]

Whole point of the dlc

[pastel wigeon]

Huh??

Bro the campaign is nearly 20 hours long

they can fit 2 stories and a half in it

[plain iron]

Hell no

Not for something as loreheavy as TDA

[pastel wigeon]

do you underestimate how long 20 hours is

[delicate grotto]

Looks like the game starts out during the siege on Taras Nabad.
I’d prefer if the story just continued from there, without jumping around. Definitely wouldn’t be able to cover all the events of the War if it didn’t have some time skips involved though. So I’m really curious how the game’s going to end.

[hard thistle]

More like some time after

[pastel wigeon]

the game should start at when he is found by the sentinels

lore wise start atleast

him gaining the trust of the sentinels and then being given the divine power

[plain iron]

The game starts post divinity.

[delicate grotto]

Seeing the Dreadnought appear out of a Hell hole, and then another scene with the slayer jumping towards a large figure- gives me the impression that’s the Dreadnought that suddenly appeared in Taras Nabad.
The background looks like the place too.
Could be wrong obviously but that’s what I speculate.

[pastel wigeon]

kinda dumb imo

[plain iron]

Not really

[pastel wigeon]

also proof?

[plain iron]

we literally get shot out of a fucking ship.

[pastel wigeon]

what weapon does he grab as he is being shot out tho?

[plain iron]

A shotgun.

[pastel wigeon]

We start with the combat shotgun, not the double barrel

[warm ibex]

Quote from game director Hugo Martin - "He's kind of scary to them. They don't really quite know what to make of him, because he doesn't talk and he's all powerful…he's already gone through the Divinity machine. He's blessed with superhuman speed and power by the makers, and the Sentinels are unsure of him. The makers are scared of him. And obviously hell fears him above anything else"

[plain iron]

That has nothing to do w if it's post divinity

[pastel pebble]

Off topic but am I the only one who was hoping we'd also get a sword as a melee weapon 😭

[plain iron]

I don't I like my mace

[plain iron]

NOT YOU HORDE THE OTHER GUY

[warm ibex]

lmao

[plain iron]

Get vega'd 😔

[pastel pebble]

Common vega L

[plain iron]

I love vega hi vega

[spring merlin]

Hi, @plain iron.

[pastel wigeon]

thanks for the proof even tho its gone lmao

[warm ibex]

It's a RockPaperShotgun article titled "Doom: The Dark Ages is out May 15th, 2025. Here's everything we learned from Id's press show" if you're interested lol

[plain iron]

Vega was slow on that one

[warm ibex]

took him a minute

[plain iron]

Also I think Ao3 is allowed here for some reason

I've been able to post a Ao3 link

But yeah, it's definitely post divinity

[warm ibex]

I'm sure we'll see a few pre-divinity flashbacks here and there though

[plain iron]

And (hopefully) pre maykr betrayal

[pastel wigeon]

i pray

[warm ibex]

hopefully with the Doom 64 armor

[plain iron]

I WANNA SEE MY BOY SAMUR

[pastel wigeon]

Or him killing the titan right after

[plain iron]

I wanna see his banishment

[pastel pebble]

Most definitely especially since we don't even know how he got to the sentinels

[plain iron]

Samur is far too important to not be there yknow

[plain iron]

We do, he kinda flopped outta hell into argent d'nur and the sentinels yoinked him

And then Samur was like :0

[delicate grotto]

Would be nice to have more details than that though, lol.
How did a rift open for him to get there? Just a stroke of luck?

[pastel pebble]

True but isn't it still a little fuzzy on the details like how exactly from hell did he get there

[plain iron]

It seems rifts from hell are a common thing, I believe in 2016 there's something called a argent fracture/fissure or the like

It was where the UAC found the majority of VEGA

another hint vega isn't fully human made

[pastel pebble]

Also idk if anyone has thought of this but in the trailer when the slayer is approaching Ahzrak with his flail, I feel like the person who is on the ground in front of Ahzrak might be king Novik. I really hope we get to see Novik a bit in the campaign and its pretty much a given we will so I'm psyched

[hard thistle]

and in times of battle it is expected that the King lead from the battlefield rather than from the safety of the throne. As it is written in Sentinel law, a King unfit for battle is likewise unfit to rule.

[plain iron]

Real tbh

We should have that rule

[pastel pebble]

Amen to that

[hard thistle]

Probably just a variation of the titans

We can see him kicking another one into a pit in the mars like level

[plain iron]

Go Scott Morrison. Go to war and die for the people you've scorned

[hard thistle]

Not sure about the figure he was jumping onto

[woven jolt]

I'm 90% sure this game will take place years after doomguy fights the dreadnought

[pastel pebble]

"They will goon, but you will doom... rip and tear, until it is done" -Novik, probably

[plain iron]

I wanna bite novik

[delicate grotto]

Maybe. Just noticed a few parallels between some clips we saw in the Developer Direct and the sentinel codex entries. Game might jump around events, or it could be me over analyzing it lol.

[plain iron]

I just want more maykr lore

[woven jolt]

I don't think jumping around events would make a good story tbh

[delicate grotto]

I agree, I’d rather it flow from one event to the next rather than segment them into certain time periods

[woven jolt]

the game might just begin at a later point. like before the civil war and just going into extreme detail,
then ending with the fall of the sentinels

and the dlc(s) are more of what happens after

[plain iron]

Well, the DLC is still there

I hope they don't do a TAG 2 and put us in the coffin, bcs that's it until 2016

[hard thistle]

About king novik tho, we're not sure if the guy beside ahzrak is even novik cause hes got long white hair and a cape. And we can see statue of king novik that depicts him without those https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1334054884533866529/1337912515631255574/Screenshot_20250208-142621_YouTube.jpg?ex=67a92ba0&is=67a7da20&hm=1b45f9eaeaba66eacdf7a03e740255a3ff0fc2043bcffbb28e4f7bae1f47c85d&

Maybe thats just a placeholder?

They did change the gargoyle statue in the hell level into a hooded figure

[plain iron]

Could be a place holder

[pastel pebble]

I can't wait for when king Novik tells us its doomin time and we go and dark age all over the place

[woven jolt]

yes

[plain iron]

ITS SAMUR-

no it's not

[woven jolt]

my only concern with TDA is that I still want the combat to be difficult and deep in mechanics. I don't want more story if we have to have less interesting / easier combat

[plain iron]

We have the s l i d e r s to satiate that need

[half umbra]

Same feeling here but I think it should be fine especially with the sliders

[woven jolt]

we shouldn't need the sliders for that though, that's the whole purpose of the normal difficulty options

[woven jolt]

I'm still kinda 50/50 on the sliders, I just hope the base game doesn't need to be changed with sliders in order to be fun / difficult

[half umbra]

Oh no I agree but I’m just saying it’s an added bonus

[woven jolt]

ye

[half umbra]

I mostly think the melee combat/gun play will feel different compared to eternal so people will not like/complain about it for the first month

I’m loving what I saw though

[plain iron]

Tbf each doom game has a different feel to it

[half umbra]

That’s what I’m saying, I never really got why people want them to play like the old ones when you could just go back to them

When I want to play 2016, I go back to it, when I want to play some fast paced game then I go to eternal

[woven jolt]

I'm glad they're not doing doom eternal 2, but I hope TDA isn't just dark souls with guns

[half umbra]

I’m going to hold your hand when I say this

Nah jk probably not

Imagine though, would be interesting to me at least

[woven jolt]

would be interesting, just wouldn't be the fast-paced stuff I'd want

so I'm hoping even though this game is more grounded, the game is still fast in terms of what you can do, especially combining different weapons with the shield

[delicate grotto]

Out of all the gameplay reveals for modern Doom, this one looks the fastest in the way it was presented. It definitely isn’t going to beat Eternal’s speed, but I think it’s safe to say it’ll be as fast, if not more, than 2016.

[woven jolt]

it'll definitely be faster than 2016,

[half umbra]

Would you want a sprint button to help with the game speed?

[woven jolt]

well I know they typically slow down gameplay for trailers, so idk yet how it'll feel

[half umbra]

Or something more like the GK perk in eternal & 2016 that boosts speed after?

[woven jolt]

the issue with sliders is that, anytime you make them, you need to make sure the game is still playable with both extremes, (ultra fast movement vs super slow), and this can sometimes cause the base gameplay to be simple or easy because there has to be wiggle room for the slider options

[wheat sigil]

Yep, hopefully the mechanical speed and amount of decision making is high

[woven jolt]

if that makes sense

[wheat sigil]

Sliders maxed out should be either extremely hard or extremely easy

That's why they're there, so you can customize the difficulty to essentially any point you want

[woven jolt]

true, but imagine if doom eternal had sliders,
turning the game up to max would almost be impossible to play,
which is what I'm talking about, that you have to still create some wiggle room so the game is not impossible at max, but the base gameplay would be more simple / easier because of this

[half umbra]

M1 let’s mod eternal and make all demons one shot + have totem boosts

[woven jolt]

also, normal difficulty options are typically optimized well, so the base game can still be fast while also having room for changes, without having to alter the base game to adjust for weird maximum settings that can be game-breaking in terms of gameplay

[wheat sigil]

Lol, one-shotting is pretty boring, but I do often play with 2.5x damage to slayer, 2.5x ai haste, 0.8x damage to enemies, and not destroying buff totem, and since it's with an unbalanced randomizer, it means there usually is a buff totem
Some arenas take a veryy long time to clear😭

[half umbra]

I think I’d lose my mind if I got one shot by fodder every time

[wheat sigil]

I mean, you don't have to max every slider out, so impossibly hard isn't really an issue

[woven jolt]

true, but it's still an option

[half umbra]

I hope I do like the base game speed so that it doesn’t feel like I HAVE to speed it up more on nightmare. I’m in the same boat as you

I’ve had my worries at first

[wheat sigil]

And it'd be very hard to define impossibly hard before launch, the playerbase for Eternal has improved massively over the past 5 years

[woven jolt]

yeah, I still want the easiest difficulty to be easy and ultra nightmare still being extremely hard without having to mess with the sliders

[slow nexus]

Guys in doom tda we are going to see the peak of hell power? Like infernal technology like the infernal ships we seen in dragon gameplay?

[wheat sigil]

I doubt you can mess with the sliders on UN, if there even is a UN in TDA

[woven jolt]

well, you know what I mean. nightmare then without having to mess with the sliders

[wheat sigil]

I don't doubt that the normal difficulties will be balanced, like in Eternal

[woven jolt]

I'm sure it'll be fine, I'm just a little skeptical

[slow nexus]

The ultra nightmare on tda will be easier or harder than eternal ultra nightmare?

[wheat sigil]

Then poeple will probably make unbalanced shit with the sliders lol

[woven jolt]

I want it to be the same tbh

so it still feels fun in that way

[slow nexus]

Nice

[wheat sigil]

I'd want TDA's nightmare to be significantly harder than Eternal's, and thereby making its UN harder too

[woven jolt]

that'd be great

[wheat sigil]

Eternal's nightmare is very tame for a max difficulty

[woven jolt]

maybe Ultra Ultra Nightmare, where any damage taken results in the end of the run 🙂

[slow nexus]

They revealed it in a direct or where?

I want master levels in tda, could be very cool

[woven jolt]

they didn't really talk about difficulty a lot in the xbox dev direct, it was mostly about the sliders, in terms of difficulty

[wheat sigil]

That'd probably be pretty much impossible😭

[wheat sigil]

Yess, MLs are great

[primal hawk]

or an infinite horde mode

[slow nexus]

I think depend the player could be easier or harder, but can be the same thing

Imagine put slayer speed in low and enemy's proyectils in max 💀

[woven jolt]

well... the projectiles are slower, we can block now, so maybeee

[slow nexus]

Yeees, the eternal ml are GOD

[slow nexus]

[primal hawk]

infinite horde mode while in a mech suit or riding that dragon

would be insane

[wheat sigil]

Yes, and in Eternal we could fly around at insane speeds, but a no-hit run is still impossible
It'll probably be way easier in TDA though, but still about impossible I'd say

Idk tho

I'm just really hyped for all the tech that's gonna be (hopefully) discovered

[slow nexus]

Talking about mech suit and dragon, could be very cool plushes of mech, dragon and demons like in doom eternal

And after do merch in real life, a mini slayer, mini dragon and mini mech could be very cool

[empty ridge]

Too much text, lazy to read what's new in this channel

[late vine]

Didn't John Romero add Nightmare to Doom as a joke in response to people saying the game was too easy?

Anyway, times and player capabilities change, so having the slider adjustment is good.

[empty ridge]

Yes

[empty ridge]

John romero also wanted the mouse to be used after you get good in the game

[pastel pebble]

Times change but Doom is Eternal

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-korean-gamer-rage-gif-19768265

[empty ridge]

Eternally changing

[shut whale]

What would u like to see the upgrades for cybernetic dragon

[stuck geyser]

Damn. My laptop will fall short in the VRAM requirement (6gb, 8 required) in order to run DDA. Might need to get a new laptop after all. Everything else I have is up to speed and I'll be quadrupling my RAM in a couple weeks time.

[lyric leaf]

I wonder if I'll actually need to upgrade to an i7

[stuck geyser]

Most likely. Unlike prior versions of Doom, this is a pretty significant jump in requirements. Double the RAM requirements, and you need an RTX card of 2060 SUPER version at a bare minimum. I only have a RTX 2060.

And I'm on a laptop. So I won't be surprised if it doesn't run, unless there's some way to shrink video RAM usage such as limiting max pre-rendered frames in NVidia's control panel.

[hard thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1334054884533866529/1338049210997669929/IMG_0363.png?ex=67a9aaef&is=67a8596f&hm=541b6b154496a7103bb82ac74db77df5b003aaeac0560d5fc17d12070f6896be&

Am i onto something?

Or am i on something

[stuck geyser]

Wait... External graphics cards...

[empty ridge]

Someone made a post of reddit talking about that, Novik armour doesn't fit and in the showcase appears Ahzrak choking or holding a character that seems to be this one but it could be Novik but looking at it it seems like it's a new character

[hard thistle]

Maybe

But they could have given him a new design

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249847635364413471/1338053951957897227/IMG_0367.png?ex=67a9af59&is=67a85dd9&hm=bf1d73b182160ba01375b6d60d4b035f4ac019dc96a4d60b556916c3b8f3ac6c&

[empty ridge]

Maybe

May 13

[spiral cypress]

Yo i ordered Doom tda collectors edition how long will it take till it arrives?

[graceful lion]

depends where you live and when bethesda starts shipping

[plucky plinth]

it won't be until at least May

so there's your very vague time frame

[spiral cypress]

Wow

That long?

[crimson rose]

i aint complaining

[graceful lion]

well, you get a physical copy of the game iirc

[spiral cypress]

TRUE

[crimson rose]

im just happy theres a new doom game, beaten every single one.

[spiral cypress]

And a 12 inch doom figure

[graceful lion]

12 inches of doom

some developers also let you pre install games or something

a few days or a week before release

obviously steam doesnt let you play them, but its used for larger games becuase they are well, larger

[crimson rose]

i did that

[graceful lion]

me too, with god of war ragnarok

really nice of them to do

for people curious, no you will probably not be able to play the game the second it comes out, becuase an update comes out the second it drops for people who have it pre installed becuase they installed a previous version of sorts, but it lets you download the majority of stuff

[crimson rose]

alr

[waxen glacier]

95 days

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431265631866716186/846166318155431936/image0.gif

[fringe helm]

Man it sucks that Dark Ages requires a RTX GPU for the ray tracing and the Frame generation with AI upscaling. I mean sure it looks great the game but do we really need ray tracing with the frame generation??

[lusty shale]

Fram gen has nothing to do with the requirements, the game uses rtx lighting instead of baked one, so it will need an rtx card

[winter idol]

ray tracing is going to be the standard from here on out

[lusty shale]

And games evolve, rtx cards released for the first time 7 years ago, a card like the 1060 was never intented to last more than 10 years

[winter idol]

its why we dont use dos anymore lmao

[graceful lion]

nothing to do with framegen, unlike some developers, id software optimize their games

[hard thistle]

let us hope so

[vestal dagger]

There was no mention of DLSS FG at the main presentation. I believe a Nvidia showcase mentioned it but footage got taken down. I'm assuming for the "standard" low-max settings they're expecting the recommended specs to hit the target framerates at native resolution. The DLSS suite might come in handy for that PC path tracing mode which, like in other games, probably isn't designed to be usable at native resolution with current hardware. Unfortunate the mode wasn't shown off at the Xbox showcase but it's entirely reasonable that they'd omit something out of scope for most of the audience.

And besides, regardless of who says what, DLSS FG doesn't really work well without an already decent base line (either native resolution or via DLSS SR). It's not a crutch to unscrew slow performance.

[wooden acorn]

Day uhhhh 17 of 112

[fading kelp]

Aight

[delicate stirrup]

I wonder who the Soldier enemies will be (saw some in the trailer that look like Possessed/Blaster Soldiers).

[frosty grail]

I wonder if it will have a menu screen like 2016 or eternal

[hard thistle]

Maybe it will have something compeltely unique

[fair elk]

I notice a quite a handful of people are a bit concerned about the new glory kill system (in terms of it not having those flashy rip and tear animations) and instead resorting to seamless mace/flail swiped, kicks and punches etc.

But, from a lore perspective, I would think that the Doom Slayer at the current time is still merely pure human, i.e. his strength is raw from his own body and the equipment he uses. Even his armor is purely sentinel craft, breast plates, shoulder covers, fur pelts and whatnot. It's not until he is gifted the praetor suit from the divinity machine is he then able to literally launch himself towards demons and literally rip them apart, by his own hand. That's when DOOM 2016 comes inc. Eternal.

I'd imagine the sequel to Eternal may see the return of animated glory kills. I just think we gotta play TDA to get a good feel of the kind of kills we can execute.

[graceful lion]

i believe this is when his body is still getting used to the power of the divinity machine

because his eyes shine yellow in cutscene

a part of it is likely due to the massive increase of enemies

becuase eternal has a max cap of 32 enemies, 31 including the slayer, and it almost never, if ever, reaches that many enemies

[fair elk]

That makes sense, could be we get the divinity power perhaps partway through the game, or maybe early in the game as there are a few times we see the glowing eyes

[graceful lion]

*in vanilla

[placid saffron]

he didn't get the preator suit from the divinity machine, he got it from The Wretch, a traitor to hell and someone we have nnever seen.

He also got his powers either in the first battle, or quite soon anyways

[graceful lion]

possibly, but for the main time im willing to believe its just after the machine

maybe we enter the game with samur giving us the divinity powers

or sometihng

did the slayer have his powers during the fight with his first titan?

[placid saffron]

it's definitely in either the first level, or right after the first level

[fair elk]

Oh, so only the suit was from the Wretch, powers from the machine

[placid saffron]

iirc there was a passage about him killing it after but

he used the comatose sword anyways

[graceful lion]

samur saw him after battle and was like "damn this guy is beaten the fuck up after that, i need to give him /op or something

[ember drum]

imagine trying to play this game on steam deck

idk how it'd be possible but if it can run spiderman 2 then itd probably be able to run doom the dark ages on 30 fps

[tender nacelle]

Some site says i can't even run the minimum on the dark ages, it tells that the video card and cpu can't run it. I'm not good with pc's, but apparently these are my specs:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 Laptop GPU
12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12450H

Does this mean it would be impossible for me to play Doom TDA ?

[graceful lion]

you can check your specs in task manager

[tender nacelle]

just did after you said that, they line up with this

[graceful lion]

laptop gpus and cpus are underclocked to fuck so your laptop's battery can do stuff

[graceful lion]

well i dont know how they know that tbh

tda is not out

[tender nacelle]

aren't the minimum specs confirmed ?

[graceful lion]

maybe check how your cpu and gpu compare to the minimum specs

in a cpu comparer/gpu comparer site

use the examples given

your gpu is about as good as a 2060

tiny bit better

[tender nacelle]

i think i explained wrong. tht's what i did, the site said mine aren't good. my question is if i MUST do an upgrade to play it because i don't know what any of these mean

i would put a picture, but i can't

[graceful lion]

you can probably run it

your cpu is 25% less powerful than what is in a ps5's or an xbox's

but your gpu is around the same as the minimum req

[tender nacelle]

i see, thank you for the help

[graceful lion]

you can probably run it

fits the minimum criteria

cpu and gpu are slightly better than minimum

1-2%so you should be alright

[tender nacelle]

that's great, honestly can't wait till it comes out. the games looks dope as hell

[sonic turret]

@ember drum are you the Australian Gman from Gman Lives?

[arctic pagoda]

Nice

[midnight ore]

abt to be in debt for this pre-order...

[empty ridge]

Yes, if The dark ages starts with him being thrown to combat by the Maykrs as seeing in the trailer, it happens after he gets in the divinity machine and most likely a little before the sentinels find out about Nekravol

[graceful lion]

but didnt no one know about the slayer getting into the machine other than samur and himself?

[placid saffron]

maybe not at the time but the moment after would be quite noticable

[empty ridge]

And the khan maykr, and the one who wrote the ligra sultagenta, and Hell that heard about the power given by the seraphim

Probably marauders and the list goes

[arctic pagoda]

Why don't the demons just go back in time and stop them from killing Daisy, are they dumb or something?

[empty ridge]

That affects on nothing to the fact he already helds the mark of the beast, already are titans which means he already fought the one in Taras nabad which is why no crucible, he is already used as a weapon

[placid saffron]

because timetravel isn't in doom

[arctic pagoda]

It could...you don't know

[empty ridge]

Yes there is, only to future

Time passes faster in Hell

[graceful lion]

well if it did the antagonists would act super stupid with it

[arctic pagoda]

Yep sleepy time in a big stone sarcophagus

[placid saffron]

yeah it could also asspull literally anything else

[arctic pagoda]

Ye

[placid saffron]

where's it stated

[arctic pagoda]

Maybe time stays the same, doom guy was just sleeping

[empty ridge]

m0no docc explains it, too lazy to quote it

[placid saffron]

i'm even lazier to skimp through it hoping to find something you claim

[empty ridge]

You can ping m0no if you'd like

[placid saffron]

meh no need to bother

[empty ridge]

Q: Does time work differently in Hell?
A: Yes. Time goes by faster in Hell than on Earth. For example, Doom Eternal establishes that Agaddon Hunters were native to Earth during the Cretaceous Period, which ended 66 million years ago; however, the Deag Priests were shown cybernetically enhancing these creatures during the First Age of Hell, which was most likely billions of years before Doom 2016 from Hell’s perspective.

[placid saffron]

😭 that's flaint proof at best

[empty ridge]

Also it also would explain why The slayer took so long to get back to Earth

[placid saffron]

"he had to search for the fortress and bring it back" is already enough though

[graceful lion]

well, they do have a (ping for lore questions)

oop offline

[placid saffron]

yeah but like... it's a time thing

for which there is only the extremely inconsistant timeline combined with IRL time period mentioned

[empty ridge]

It also explains how Hell invasions take longer to be prepared inside Hell and appears to have shorter periods of time to the worlds conquered

[placid saffron]

have we even seen any of those happening

the invasion planning*

also... out of every place you would assume the UAC would have a really clear research segment about how time moves faster in hell...

[empty ridge]

The UAC is vague to almost everything and commit mistakes and no human entered hell and came back other than Samuel and the slayer

[empty ridge]

Tomato

[placid saffron]

just samur is enough to conclude time goes faster

or like... randomy equipment

time literally being faster by a noticable amount would be something you measure quite quickly

[ember drum]

nope im gman from ebay

[patent ermine]

You'd have to have observers in and out of hell simultaneously measuring time to determine that time was moving more quickly

[low ibex]

I'm hyped that Dark Ages won't have a codex. I'm a huge lore/story nut so it's cool to see them taking it more seriously instead of dumping stuff in logs and making us read bootleg novels if we want a deeper story lol

[fast sage]

It's also different to where it's timeless. Where even if you travel to a different timeline or to the past, they'll remember everything.

[proven lava]

Who else pre ordered on day one???

[marsh quarry]

will the game be good

[languid rampart]

Most likely

[hard thistle]

It will sell 30 doomillion copies

Does this mean there will be dragon enemies? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1334054884533866529/1338356849321316404/IMG_0368.png?ex=67aac972&is=67a977f2&hm=f9f569c86b27a97ec57fc9ff46b8ae4cf0295be80daa8a6844a99954c23bc02e&

[proven lava]

Skyrim

[empty ridge]

I came back

[quartz oar]

95 days until doom dark ages releases lets keep the hype going

if i cant parry a titan with the sheild saw i will riot

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-metal-gear-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-blade-rules-of-nature-gif-17361138170178789066

[rose flint]

When this game comes out, I’m coming out.

[placid saffron]

Ever heard of equipment???

We didn't need a person on a satellite to measure the small disrepency of ground level time and time in it's orbit

[scenic lichen]

this game is gonna be PEAK!

[hard thistle]

Your heros journey will take you to the far reaches of the doom universe

Mysterious worlds from the slayers past

Dark forests

Dungeons

Ancient hellscapes

Battlefields

And worlds beyond

[placid saffron]

Maybe and hopefully

[finite sequoia]

Good morning chat:3

[hard thistle]

Is it possible to think they'll still add quick swapping in dark ages? Or just false hopes

[placid saffron]

I think they'll make it so you probably can't

They wanted people to swap more in eternal, PB swaps weren't really in mind but they still where part of it

DA's whole point is being slower though, so probably just "regular" swapping where you just change guns a few times per combat qua context.

[remote thunder]

if it were to be brought back, i'd like to see it receive some mechanical difficulty, like tighter animation cancel windows

maybe it'd straight up deal less damage than not quickswapping unless you could contend with some kind of additional timing mechanic

on second thought, that's not a great idea

but it should be harder than in eternal, and the weapons should interact in some way instead of just being 10 slight variations of "idk man just do damage"

[grave cave]

These demons better tick off their bucket list because the days are numbered

[spice elk]

i wanna freeze myself down

until the game comes out

[hard thistle]

Well now I have to get used to being slow now

[quartz oar]

4 days until the worst holiday ever and 94 days until the best holiday ever

[slender night]

Merry Christmas

[proud vine]

Coming back to eternal after playing tda is gonna be strange ngl

[hard thistle]

Oh word?

[graceful lion]

well yeah, when it comes out

both games are super different

its like the difference between the original doom and doom 2016

[flint ocean]

I assume they got that then cause of the fact that I’m rapidly swapping between ballista and ssg everytime I encounter a marauder

[placid saffron]

well it's a different game, you're not struggling to "adapt" when playing any other FPS either

[worldly plinth]

In DA, they want you to stand up and fight. Doom Eternal was all about movement and quick reflexes.

[placid saffron]

yeah like i said, it's about being slower

[worldly plinth]

Yeah.

[tranquil zodiac]

uhhh speak for yourself lol

whenever I play any shooter, I struggle to adapt for a while

[worldly plinth]

Yeah. Happens to many people. Different controls and environments as well as different things to master.

[placid saffron]

i meant in specific relation to just eternal

[tranquil zodiac]

I think a lot of people struggle more with eternal than other shooters

because let's be real here

doom eternal isn't your usual shooter

[worldly plinth]

Yeah.

[tranquil zodiac]

dark ages seems like a totally new subgenre of shooter so it might be hard to adapt at first

[graceful lion]

in doom eternal, you feel like a fighter jet, in TDA, you will feel like an iron tank, powerful, but still fast

[graceful lion]

totally new
doom 1993

[tranquil zodiac]

Id Software is so great that not only they innovated in their own genre with 2016, but they also spawned 2 new subgenres of shooter with the subsequent releases

[wheat sigil]

many skills from other shooters (and especially Eternal/classic doom) will probably transfer to TDA

[tranquil zodiac]

yeah sure point me to the parrying, advanced melee combat and open world in doom 1993

[wheat sigil]

experienced Eternal players will go into TDA with a pretty good baseline skill level

[tranquil zodiac]

eternal doesn't have parries though

[graceful lion]

ah ok

[wheat sigil]

okay and? there are so many other factors in combat

[graceful lion]

not the point of the game tbh

[tranquil zodiac]

the gun shooting and weapon swapping skills will probably transfer to TDA

[tranquil zodiac]

but it seems important based on the showcase gameplay

[wheat sigil]

you develop a certain level of dexterity in Eternal, which will transfer, and decision making will be key in TDA, as it was in Eternal, so there you got a big advantage too

[graceful lion]

and if you played any other game that has a similar parry system, like god of war 2018 and ragnarok, parrying is super easy

[wheat sigil]

and how you move around the battlefield will probably also be very important, so there's another advantage

[graceful lion]

and it really does not look that hard

[graceful lion]

not sure about weapon swapping since it will be far slower probably

[tranquil zodiac]

if the game is slower I imagine decision making will be way more important in TDA than in eternal

[graceful lion]

im curious how they will mkae every weapon unique to the other

[wheat sigil]

there are all of these little intricacies to combat, beyond what you easily see

[graceful lion]

because we have 2 plasma rifles

[tranquil zodiac]

in eternal you could get by with bad choices even on nightmare if you just ran around the arena for a bit

[wheat sigil]

sure, but the same will apply for TDA

[tranquil zodiac]

if you're slower I think that won't apply as much

[wheat sigil]

you can get by when lacking something in one area, if you make it up in another area

[tranquil zodiac]

I'm expecting the game to be totally new still

[wheat sigil]

decision making is very core to Eternal

[wheat sigil]

oh yeah for sure

[tranquil zodiac]

that's what they've been doing for almost a decade now

[slender night]

Idk if I'd say that 2016 was totally new

[tranquil zodiac]

the resource management being integrated to aggression was something kinda new for the time

it was the main selling point of the game back then

[grim cloud]

another monday, another week closer to tda

[tranquil zodiac]

people would be like "to stay alive in doom you need to keep killing!!!!1111" I remember clearly

for other arena/boomer shooters, you'd just take cover

[cyan lotus]

Well yeah you need to kill things to win

[tranquil zodiac]

2016 grabbed the cover thing which is pivotal to FPS since doom 1993 and ditched it

[tranquil zodiac]

yeah but the point people were trying to make back when the game released was that if you stayed behind cover you'd die

you can only win by being extremely aggressive

[cyan lotus]

Relatively aggressive

Playing more defensive can be good

[tranquil zodiac]

you only say that because the subgenre it created got established and now there are more aggressive games

[cyan lotus]

Obviously not in the sense of taking cover but in the sense of absolutely abusing restacking

[tranquil zodiac]

but I'm very sure that when it came out, there weren't many games doing anything similar to this

[tranquil zodiac]

restocking in doom 2016 is done by killing

[wheat sigil]

you still approach a fight differently from when you're on high and low HP

[tranquil zodiac]

you call killing demons with a chainsaw defensive because you're already used to the aggression

[wheat sigil]

so you play more cautiously/defensively when you want to restack

[tranquil zodiac]

yeah but no other game at the time had the definition of "defensive" be running around an open arena looking for weak enemies to kill

[wheat sigil]

fair

[tranquil zodiac]

I expect dark ages to spawn a new subgenre of boomer/arena shooters if you can even still call it that

[hard thistle]

Well I'm just used to doom eternal, since it's fast pace

[placid saffron]

so the last like however many years you have only played eternal as an FPS?

[hard thistle]

Uhhh

I don't remember tbh

[placid saffron]

😭

[hard thistle]

October 14th

Of 2024

[cyan lotus]

To be fair I’ve been playing almost exclusively eternal for 4 years

[placid saffron]

💥

there's still multiple months to play another slower fps atleast

then you get into DA actually aclaimed to the slower gameplay and thus get to taste it more at proper levle

[hard thistle]

I know i have a while but I still need to practice more

[placid saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890909009526267935/1338568233128820756/image.png?ex=67ab8e50&is=67aa3cd0&hm=478dbab7ce8928f9cb30869073acf9943b2174707266cf7883d9a93167a00da4&
i see

[hard thistle]

Damn

[worldly plinth]

Yeah.

[grim cloud]

ferrari -> jet -> tank

[jaunty panther]

We need war elephants to ride in doom the dark ages

[patent ermine]

Can't wait for tank personally

[jaunty panther]

The mech is gonna be crazy

[proud vine]

only 61 hours of ultrakill is diabolical

[wheat sigil]

an entire 60 hours is diabolical..

no jk, it's a great game

[half umbra]

✊

[flint ocean]

I preordered premium edition of dark ages now I just gotta wait 3 months

[placid saffron]

imagine spending money to buy an infinite supply product early

[balmy viper]

Anyone preorder DOOM tda

Except for atomic angel

[grim cloud]

i really wish early access landed on the weekend, it really makes it not a perk for me

[balmy viper]

Same

But u can still preorder the standard edition

[plucky plinth]

Well what’s even the point, then? At that point it’d be better to wait for reviews

[balmy viper]

Trust in the game

[plucky plinth]

Like the only reason I might preorder is so I can secure a physical copy

But I otherwise have no real reason to

[wheat cliff]

gamepass also exists

[balmy viper]

Yeah I'm pre-ordering from GameStop to get the physical copy

[balmy viper]

I'm on ps5

[wheat cliff]

tough

[plucky plinth]

Not buying into that shit tbh

[wheat cliff]

well, gamepass is like one of the few 3 active subscriptions I have so....

[balmy viper]

Tell X box I'm happy with there decision for giving us Forza Horizon 5 and HALO looks like I'll be adding that to my collection

[wheat cliff]

those games have always been on other platforms xd

[slender night]

Not on PlayStation

[wheat cliff]

fair

[slender night]

You have Xbox and PC, not a wide range

[balmy viper]

Aren't we supposed to talk abt the dark ages rn why we in this channel

[raw drum]

Allies be like

Cortana:- im not coming with you this time
master chief:- nooo dont leave me i beg of you my queen PLEASEEEEE

Vega:- Destroy me
Doomguy:- Aight bet

[flint ocean]

whats the difference between spending money now vs then on a game, the game will be the same cost im pretty sure

[junior atlas]

why cant i preinstall the game on steam???

[feral vault]

Cause the game is not finished yet probably

[junior atlas]

i read you can on gamepass....not sure if true tho

[half umbra]

I’m with you on this one, I like to play games for myself to tell if it’s going to bad instead of relying on reviews. Game probably won’t be on discounts for a while so it’s nothing crazy to pre order if you think you’ll like it

[junior atlas]

i will never financially recover from this

but i trust id

[flint ocean]

yeah, based on what ive seen from the trailers plus with how good the combat and level design has been in doom 2016 and eternal im not worried that dark ages will be amazing

[half umbra]

No disrespect but that’s on you if that’s true, but I hope you do like it

[flint ocean]

im certain that itll be a super cool and fun game, why worry about it, plus i wanted to get the collectors but ion got the money for that so preordering premium edition will have to do

[half umbra]

Either way if you’re confident in the game all I can say is I hope it comes out good for you

[junior atlas]

fair, but since i also loved DOOM 3 i say tda will be more than enough

[flint ocean]

ill get the future dlcs for free which is nice, plus im a sucker for cosmetics unforunately and i get some from the premium edition and preorder which is cool

[junior atlas]

plus how can you fuck up a single player game?

[half umbra]

That’s good