the-dark-ages

[prime sentinel]

I did not

I don't keep up with every interview from Hugo Martin

I wouldn't consider myself a nu doom super fan, I really love the games and enjoy my time with them, but I've only got 100 hours in eternal and roughly half that in 2016

[cyan lotus]

me neither but this community gets into total droughts and if you’re more interested in modern doom it’s kinda hard to NOT hear some of the stuff Hugo’s said with how many times it’s slung around

[prime sentinel]

I've listened to every interview he did about dark ages so far

lots of interesting things, gives a better picture of what they're going for than the small snippet of gameplay we have

the main one I've listened to is the gamespot one, which is the longest one so far

I was not even familiar with the slayer being a "tank" thing, I know this was apparently brought up by Hugo after the ancient gods part 2 dlc or whatever, but hadn't heard this until the recent rounds of interviews

[cyan lotus]

But I totally wouldn’t have minded an eternal 2

[prime sentinel]

I would have probably really liked it

[cyan lotus]

doom eternal is my favorite game ever, when I got my hands on it damn near 4 years ago I kinda just haven’t played other video games that much at all

like my mental bar is set so high that I couldn’t imagine dark ages ever fulfilling anywhere near that threshold, but I’m not opposed to being pleasantly surprised either

[prime sentinel]

I love Doom in general, I'm here for the ride, love seeing what they do with it, hasn't lead me wrong yet

[misty beacon]

The trailer felt a bit rushed, as if MS came in and said "yo gang, we need something good, kkthxcunn"

[prime sentinel]

I am expecting, on some level, for there to be Eternal fans that are upset with this game

In an interview Hugo mentioned how with legacy series like Zelda you expect change, you expect transformation in mechanics or style, and Doom is similar (or at least that's what they're going for)

I actually really appreciate this approach

but I can see the possibility of it ruffling peoples' feathers if they're expecting something similar to Eternal, I remember there being a sort of backlash to Eternal, especially near launch, for being so different from 2016 and expecting the player to do things 2016 never did

I don't think its wrong or invalid to want more of the last game for the record, its completely valid

[dense gazelle]

Will be missing the Meathook and it's possibilities

And also never was a shield guy, in all soulslike I never use any

[wheat sigil]

I will be missing the movement in general, Eternal's movement is extremely good

[dense gazelle]

Kinda weird to have the shield all time in the left hand

But I can't wait to destroy enemies with the flail and mace

[placid saffron]

i'll especialy be missingthe entire 3rd dimension of movement

[wheat sigil]

Lmao, yup

[prime sentinel]

it'll be like the intro of Wolfenstein 2

where BJ is in the wheelchair

I jest, but that part was pretty neat, I kinda think you could make a whole game with that concept, and involve more puzzles

[dense gazelle]

Wolf 3 when?

Youngblood was weird

[misty beacon]

Upgrading ur wheelchair instead of the suit thingy

🧑‍🦽👨‍🦼

[prime sentinel]

Yea I was thinking a rocket wheelchair

The equipment launcher could be attached to it

[misty beacon]

id, please hire this person above me

[safe ice]

yeah there def will

honestly I have a feeling that this game will surpass eternal

like just them saying that it'll play like the classic games got me wondering when I can preorder lol

[prime sentinel]

I think it will have elements from the classic games but it will be its own thing ultimately

More like reinterpreting the classic games as a modern game than trying to replicate the.

[safe ice]

yeah thats kinda what I mean

after all they already kinda replicated it with doom + doom 2 and legacy of rust

[prime sentinel]

I mean that is literally the classic games

[safe ice]

I hope its gonna have the "slidey" movement like in the classic doom games (and just old FPS games in general)

[prime sentinel]

Doesn’t look like it, like I said I don’t think it’s gonna play like classic doom so much as take certain cues from it

[safe ice]

also for the trailer they slowed it down right?

[prime sentinel]

Or take certain concepts from it and reinterpret them, doom 2016 basically was the same idea but they said they think they “missed the mark a bit”

[prime sentinel]

No idea

We do know projectiles will be slow, as it’s supposed to be a first person bullet hell

[safe ice]

iirc someone from qc said so

[prime sentinel]

I believe it, but not nearly as fast as eternal

Fighter Jet VS tank

[dense gazelle]

On the other hand, how could they make a sequel to eternal even better in terms of gameplay?

never felt so positively stressed after a hard arena/encounter like in eternal. It's even more exhausting than soulslikes

[wheat sigil]

there are plenty of areas with room for improvement

[dense gazelle]

But top it like they did from 2016 to eternal?

[wheat sigil]

yea, pretty much

make glory kills completely optional, don't force chainsaw usage instead tie ammo regain into the combat loop, more demons with destructible weakpoints, add in actual incentive for destroying weakpoints, make the meathook worse but more options for vertical movement, balance the game better, make restacking harder and allow for different playstyles

[dense gazelle]

This doesn't sound like worthy sequel just some quality of life changes

cooler more demonic davoth variants from the multiverse to throw tons of new demons and bosses at you with very different hell maps 😉

[wheat sigil]

It would of course have a strong resemblence to Eternal, but the combat would be massively overhauled

[agile osprey]

The combat is already good (minus gks) imagine if you could get all the benefits of chainsaws and gks without having to go through a movie 😱

[abstract barn]

chainsaw IS ammo regen in the combat loop, you just dont like then animation, there already is incentives for weakpoints (like enemies not being able to shoot you), the game does have different playstyles and theres not really so many 100% completely different playstyles you can stuff into one shooter game of any type

[hard thistle]

Not liking having to stare at the same animation over and again is valid actually

[brave spoke]

Imma be honest, no meathook

I love the meathook and i cant imagine eternal without it

But i think it should stay in eternal

[hard thistle]

The shield seems to act as a sort of replacement for it anyway

[wheat sigil]

The chainsaw isn't really a part of the combat loop, it's a seperate thing you just do every 30 seconds or whatever. And the animation is also incredibly boring
The gain from destroying weak points is incredibly small and is completely diminished by the fact thatany demon with weak points die in 2 seconds
In terms of playstyle it often just boils down to tons of usage of the meathook to stay in the air, always the same mods and always the same few runes. The choices you can make in your playstyle is almost always how much you use something

[bitter thorn]

it's not "always the same mods"

it is the player's choice to only use the meta half of the weapon mods

nothing stops you from using full auto

[wheat sigil]

except for it sucking

[bitter thorn]

i don't feel like it being worse than other options is a sufficient enough reason to say "why aren't there any more weapon mods" while not using it

it's fun to use, and it's not unbearably weak

[wheat sigil]

i dont want more weapon mods, i want more viable weapon mods

[bitter thorn]

it's a singleplayer game

everything is viable

i would rather some of the mods be buffed, but like, i've used all of them at some point for fun

[tribal lagoon]

Dark Ages seems like it’ll be more grounded literally and I imagine that shield bash/dash thing will be our main traversal mechanic like how the Meathook was if that makes sense

[brave spoke]

Yeah i can see that

[tribal lagoon]

Cause yeah I agree the Meathook should stay in Eternal it was specifically made for that games levels and combat with the Meathook points and such

[tranquil moss]

what if rich get richer returned in the form of ammo regen for blocked damage

[hard thistle]

That'd be way too busted

[timid field]

Then bust it more til it's balanced

[dense gazelle]

Witchfire has a stake gun now

No love for it from here?

[remote thunder]

weakpoints aren't a real incentive, the enemies that do have them die off of one falter or headshot and are therefore not really able to use the weapons said weakpoints are tied to, i.e. it's never worth it to go out of your way to break them unless it's an instant kill

the movement in this game is so unbelievably overpowered that even when you don't go after them immediately, you really shouldn't be getting hit by anything

[cyan lotus]

not much I can add to this, but I will have a tiny nitpick while i am at it, the phrasing of "(like enemies not being able to shoot you)" is highly misleading, every enemy with weak points, with the exception of the revenant, still have a long ranged attack at their disposal after the destruction of their weak points

[remote thunder]

i'd argue it's better to leave arachnotrons with their turrets intact, it's harder to predict the grenade physics than it is to lurch hop out of the way of the plasma shots

[hard thistle]

Hope there's a Doom 64guy skin in TDA

[haughty vale]

I really want that they put again the customization for the Slayer and the demons, but in this time, the skin for the demons woks in the campaign and not only in a online mode or something

[ebon shale]

I really could not care less about customization

[brazen wolf]

I'm generally like that too but too many people are on it for you to do something about it

• it's free health micro transactions for the dev
  cannot be bad

[vernal jasper]

I only learnt to use the chainsaw recently, you can play the game absolutely fine without using it

[cyan lotus]

obligatory bell curve comment

[stray plover]

Go for at least one TB

I don't mean terabyte, I mean Tuberculosis

[lusty delta]

What kind of food y'all think the Sentinels got?

[hard thistle]

Beast meat

[dense gazelle]

Give us mf new gameplay Hugo, people are already going crazy

[wheat sigil]

And instead of doing a long animation I have to go on a 5 year treasute hunt for barrels and ammo? No thanks

The chainsaw is pretty much forced to use, it's kinda like the punch, you could fight an entire arena only using punch, but it would be incredibly painful

[dense gazelle]

Will miss the chainsaw too, the shield just isn't the same

A Warhammer chainsword isn't too likely when the shield is so significant

[hard thistle]

@potent sonnet Defiently way to early for specs. What are your upgraded spec?

I say you'll be fine. I'd software are good with optimimazation. Its tempting to upgrade 32 to 64 hmm.

[hard thistle]

@potent sonnet Nothing wrong with that. i would like 64 for id studio / blender and other mod tools.

[prime sentinel]

Might be related, Xbox is pushing the TGS thing more than you would think

Like putting out promotional videos saying to tune in, could get some dark ages info

[vernal jasper]

but why is it bad that the chainsaw is almost forced to use? why do you not want to use it lol

pentium II

[wheat sigil]

Because it's a boring break in the combat

I want to fight the demons, not watch a boring long animation every 20 seconds

It's also a really obvious missed opportunity where ammo gain could've been incorporated into the combat loop

[dense gazelle]

Time to put on the clown make up

[vagrant harness]

I can’t wait for Doom: The Dark Ages I think it’ll be better than doom eternal

[wheat sigil]

?

I don't understand what warranted that comment

[next coral]

I think a matter of this debate is pretty much purely subjective. I personally don’t mind chainsawing a demon every now and then to get ammo, and some do mind. A way that is incorporated into the combat to get ammo is the katana from shadow warrior 3 but it takes longer to get ammo because you have to kill more than one enemy. So it really is a matter of personal preference, although the glory animation could have been sped up with the fast glory kill rune, in fact there’s a mod in the mod page that does that.

[honest vortex]

Wait, another SW3 player?

[honest vortex]

One of my biggest issues in Eternal ngl

[dense gazelle]

Wait for new stuff at tgs and be disappointed cuz there won't be a second from dtda

[next coral]

Yup 😗

[wheat sigil]

What?

[dense gazelle]

U never played a soulslike did you?

[wheat sigil]

nope, don't see how that is relevant however

[cyan lotus]

medieval setting = dark souls
apparently

[wheat sigil]

ah yes, i shouldve realized, thank you Tammie for the explanation🤦‍♂️

[dense gazelle]

It's a common joke for that genre

[ebon shale]

The only non depressing colorful soulslike is probably the one where you play as a crab in the ocean

Though that one is about the pollution of our oceans, so kinda depressing as well actually

[placid saffron]

i thought you would talk about silksong

[elfin karma]

Another Crab’s Treasure

[ebon shale]

Yep. was actually really enjoyable. Only downside was a lack of difficulty for me

[vernal jasper]

I don't know if I will like it as much, I loved 2016 and Eternal due to the Djent and how modern and crazy it was, not sure if I'm the objective public

[vernal jasper]

Idk, I feel to kill demons I need some seconds to breathe, the animation is like my time to breathe, it's like a dance, I feel like the glory kills and animations are great cuz they give me a pace

[prime sentinel]

I agree actually, the chainsaw and glory kills offer a quick breather

[wheat sigil]

If you need that, just pause the game

Because far from everyone needs a break in the combat

[prime sentinel]

Don’t need to pause the game because the chainsaw exists lmao

[cyan lotus]

I feel like we’re going in circles here

[prime sentinel]

And always in this channel for some reason

[cyan lotus]

I am flattered you think you’re excluded from my very broad statement

[prime sentinel]

I don’t lol

But it’s always in this channel

You sure do like to come to conclusions

[cyan lotus]

what is my response supposed to be to that

what is the intended thing you’d want to elicit from saying that

[prime sentinel]

Idk I was just stating that it always happens to be this channel

Which should be about the dark ages

Clearly I am taking part in the discussion

[cyan lotus]

how much discussion could there be about a game that isn’t out yet

[prime sentinel]

Okay so clearly I am partaking, I’m not saying I’m better lmfao

I didn’t assume you felt the same way

[cyan lotus]

we have like a 3 minute trailer and word of mouth from people at quakecon, if people stuck exclusively to that, we’d have more repetition than we already have

[prime sentinel]

For sure

I don’t disagree, so maybe circles are only natural when there’s so little to discuss

🤷

You know, more off topic but related to what was being discussed before, doom eternal sure is contentious

Like, it is a beloved game that reviewed well but I kinda feel like there are more arguments about it than any other doom game

What’s your take on that?

To have a more constructive and interesting discussion, maybe we can tie it back to dark ages eventually :p

[cyan lotus]

don’t know what facet of that you’d be talking about but I do think that there are a lot of people within the doom eternal community who overestimate their competency with the games mechanics, and also the fact that this game has a bell curve that’s kind of funny to a certain degree because there’s a good amount of things high level players and low level players could agree on, but the line of logic that leads to that conclusion definitely not being the same

[wheat sigil]

horseshoe theory moment

[prime sentinel]

Doom eternal has some problems > doom eternal is the best game ever > doom eternal has some problems

Just from experience, I’d definitely say I’m in the middle of the two ends, I’m not incredibly skilled but I’m not a beginner (though perhaps 100 hours is relatively speaking, beginner shit)

If the middle is the average player

[cyan lotus]

I mean there’s a difference between beginner as a skill level and beginner as like, just touched the game

[prime sentinel]

Is the bell curve all players or people who would call themselves doom eternal players

[wheat sigil]

what is beginner level and high level really just depends on who you ask
someone with more experience in the game will have higher expectations compared to someone with 40 hours

[cyan lotus]

doom eternal has the thing of primarily being catered towards a more casual audience, if we included EVERY player, the median skill level would probably be hurt me plenty

[prime sentinel]

I have not beaten the world spear ml on nightmare

[cyan lotus]

I wouldn’t consider myself overly good at doom eternal but I have fairly high confidence in my technical knowledge of the game

[prime sentinel]

I’d say I’m on the casual end, but I’m a big fan of the game and doom series in general

[prime sentinel]

I wonder what the percentages for what difficulty first time players chose looks like

[wheat sigil]

i am fairly certain it would at least be in this order

1. HMP
2. UV
3. ITYTD
4. NM

[prime sentinel]

first time playing both 2016 and Eternal I went for UV

because I'm used to classic doom, where nightmare is pretty much a joke difficulty, that only speedrunners are into

(and even then, most runs are submitted for skill 4)

seeing nightmare as the lowest is surprising, but I guess you have to take into account players who need to play on the lowest difficulty due to skill issues or even reasons outside their control

[wheat sigil]

in my experience, a decent bit of players go for ITYTD, including me, but very few go for NM

[prime sentinel]

I always thought NM was the default for people that were into the game

[wheat sigil]

not for first timers though

[slender night]

I mean, it's not really surprising to me that people want to get to know the game before immediately hopping into the hardest difficulty

[prime sentinel]

sure, I wouldn't expect NM to be number 1

does doom eternal have little descriptions for difficulty? I forget, some games have stuff like "for experienced FPS players" under the difficulty lol

[slender night]

I was expecting it at the lowest. Number one is the medium difficulty, generally the casual one in gaming. UV is the standard DOOM one, and ITYTD is the easiest. They all have reason to go above NM

[slender night]

It does

[prime sentinel]

I tend to choose the "hard" option but not "very hard" in game difficulties

because I feel like the default is usually a bit too easy in modern games (I understand why this is, I'm not complaining)

TLOU part 1 and 2 I thought hard was the perfect first time experience

didn't feel like a cake walk but I wasn't frequently hitting brick walls

[wheat sigil]

turbo overkill is probably the only game ive played recently where i didnt go for the hardest difficulty

and ultrakill would be there too if actually had played the game since brutal dropped

[slender night]

I usually like playing on normal. I go for easy if I'm just there for collectibles or the game kicks my ass (i.e. Rayman Classic), hard when I want a thrill or I'm just very experienced in the game (TASM 1 and 2)

[wheat sigil]

but then again, i play very few games lol

[prime sentinel]

I've been playing on the "hard" option on Turbo Overkill, the one above normal

it feels a bit easy tbh

maybe because I'm experienced in doom eternal, which turbo overkill is in many ways similar to

also: the microwave beam in turbo overkill is way better than eternal's lmao

[wheat sigil]

serve me pain was what i went for in turbo overkill, it felt good, i died 1-3 times per mission or something

dont think i ever finished the game

[prime sentinel]

I'm on E2, I bounced off it hard the first time I played it, but I'm enjoying it more this time

[cyan lotus]

doom eternals progression is so lame, like how it’s marginally easier to do late game than it is early game, I distinctly recall having played on hurt me plenty around this time, yet had managed to clear arc complex master level on nightmare without ever even having touched the difficulty prior

[prime sentinel]

like, I must have just been in a bad mood because despite its similarities to eternal it did not do it for me

[wheat sigil]

murder machine just sounded like a kinda crazy difficulty lol

the part with health packs only dropping from enemies and almost 7x damage

[prime sentinel]

I think the one I'm playing is street cleaner or smthn

[prime sentinel]

kinda doesn't sound too fun lol

[wheat sigil]

i kinda wanna go back now and finish the game

but swapping weapons in there is so busted

like, you can do it instantly

and put some flame thrower in there and you'll be chilling

[prime sentinel]

you control the buttons you press

I be chilling using the weapon wheel lmao

not binding this shit

[wheat sigil]

Binding weapons is fun IMO

[prime sentinel]

how would you compare ultrakill to this or eternal?

I've heard its really good but I'm just not a boom shoot guy

[wheat sigil]

I always bind weapons as soon as i get them, and then just change binds as i progress and unlock more weapons

[prime sentinel]

I mean, its technically not that since its more like Eternal I guess

[prime sentinel]

fair enough, boss

[wheat sigil]

Ultrakill is similar to Eternal in movement, but a bit more hectic of course
Then weapon swapping and the other stuff it's pretty similar to turbo overkill

[prime sentinel]

its different enough to not make me wonder why I'm not playing Eternal?

[wheat sigil]

it's a bit hard to compare them

[wheat sigil]

yes

[prime sentinel]

aight, I'll check it out

[wheat sigil]

they are by no means the same game

[prime sentinel]

yeah but when I play a lot of boomer shooters I just wonder why I'm not playing quake or doom lol

[cyan lotus]

yes, and I think we have seen what happens when people don’t get that concept

[cyan lotus]

straight up, miracle whip

[wheat sigil]

mayonnaise flashbacks...

[prime sentinel]

sweet

I'll put it on the list

[cyan lotus]

I Love how he’s not even good at eternal but touted around what little skill he had as if it were some sort of leverage for his argument

[prime sentinel]

jerma is quoted on the steam page

it must be good

[wheat sigil]

i watched way too many of mayo's videos recently, it's wild

he completely misinterprets the arguments for why the marauder is bad

[cyan lotus]

“hey guys I’m really experienced in this other game ( he’s not ) so this means I am qualified to talk about this game that fits into the same genre but does not play the same whatsoever”

[prime sentinel]

eh fuck it its on sale I'll buy it now

[wheat sigil]

nice

now i wanna play some ultrakill and turbo overkill lol

i never finished either of them

[prime sentinel]

I don't watch this guy, but he's on this discord so I wouldn't be too mean :p

[cyan lotus]

if I cared about that I wouldn’t put it in a public server

[wheat sigil]

he has talked like twice in the past 3 years, and once was responding to me kinda hating on him

not hating

[prime sentinel]

I mean idk what his personality is

[wheat sigil]

but like, something

[prime sentinel]

oh neat its only 2 gigs

[cyan lotus]

If a dude with 100k subs can’t take indirect criticism from a singular person, that might be indicative of something

[prime sentinel]

you should play I Am Your Beast

uh, its not really similar but its really good

I am in shill mode

my spongebob squarepants battle for bikini bottom playthrough has been on hold for a few weeks because I keep finding shooters I want to play

now that's a tough game for real gamers

[wheat sigil]

Yes, criticising, that's the word i was looking for

[wheat sigil]

First i need to finish ultrakill and turbo overkill

But ill check it out

[vernal jasper]

Why would I do that when the game offers a great mechanic to let you breathe, I'm not the only one who loves glorykills and the chainsa

[cyan lotus]

like I hope I’m not bad for having that line of thought, but with an audience of his size, surely he has better things to do with his time than focus his attention of one of a plethora of existing detractors

[prime sentinel]

its not difficult, at least until trying to S rank the challenge levels, but its got really great gameplay

also the music is bangin

[vernal jasper]

Yall think u can pet the dragon in the dark ages

[wheat sigil]

I have found myself finding great fun in easier doom eternal stuff recently anyways

[vernal jasper]

Can I pet tha dawg

[wheat sigil]

You can always do stuff like no health damage

[prime sentinel]

I doubt it but it would be cool to be able to pet the dragon

[cyan lotus]

man I am probably burnt out on this game, I can barely tolerate the entrance to SGN ML right now, how long of a break do I take to make this go away?

[wheat sigil]

Which gets particularly interesting without flame belch

Really promotes what im trying to incorporate into my playstyle

[vernal jasper]

I wish for a little minigame where u take care of daisy

[prime sentinel]

idk if daisy will ever be anything more than an easter egg

[wheat sigil]

You would think so

[vernal jasper]

One can dream

[cyan lotus]

It’s just so boring, I think that’s why I’ve primarily speedran lately because it’s an entirely different thought process

[prime sentinel]

a nintendogs style minigame would be really cute

[cyan lotus]

I need to play another game or smthn

[prime sentinel]

what kind of games do you typically play?

[cyan lotus]

lolll

this has been pretty much the only game I’ve been playing for almost 4 years

so idk the answer to that question

[prime sentinel]

that's wild

uh, turbo overkill is very doom eternal-core, but different enough to not feel like a rip off

have you played Neon White?

loved that one

[wheat sigil]

The thing i dislike most about turbo overkill is the ammo

You get ammo by scavenging for it... which is so boring

[prime sentinel]

old school style

[wheat sigil]

And at least in the beginning ammo counts for weapons is soo unbalanced if you animation cancel by quick switching

Some guns are always low and some are always high

[prime sentinel]

I think turbo overkill has more of a weapon hierarchy than eternal

[cyan lotus]

me being burnt out probably shouldn’t surprise me https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077069514505728152/1287380872030326825/IMG_2900.png?ex=66f1565e&is=66f004de&hm=79735b4a11ba043753f6813b923ea76b5e24d959ee91b121237d18ec8dfb54c6&

[prime sentinel]

like, the RL is insane

it kills everything

so ammo is more rare obviously

[wheat sigil]

Shit, you have over 2000 hours now

[prime sentinel]

dear lord

[cyan lotus]

I don’t even have much more to do because I’ve speedran all 3 campaigns

[prime sentinel]

I would maybe play some other games, like, not get as in depth with them as eternal, just finish them and feel good

[wheat sigil]

Being burnt out after 2000 hours might be fair

[wheat sigil]

Tormented earth UN when

[prime sentinel]

do you like shooters tammie? or is doom eternal the only on you ever got into?

idk what kind of games you were into before eternal

btw, how old are your steam accounts?

mines at 11 years rn, not super impressive but I've had it for a while

[wheat sigil]

Mine is like 4 years or something

If even that old

[prime sentinel]

have a guy on my friend's list with 21 years of service

like holy shit, bro must have got steam on launch

I think I met him playing Quake 2 DM

[wheat sigil]

Sometimes you just find people with insane stats on steam

Once i found a guy with 3300 hours in eternal

And 2000+ on subnautica

[prime sentinel]

he's got minecraft hours in eternal

damn who the fuck even has that much time

[wheat sigil]

And then some more games with 1000+hours

[prime sentinel]

on steam the only game I have that's close to 1000 hours is TF2, and I haven't played it since high school pretty much

its at 893 hours

uh, I imagine I probably have more in minecraft, since I played a ton of that in middle school

and probably more than that in classic doom, collectively

[wheat sigil]

Minecrfat is by wide margin my mlst played game

[prime sentinel]

not more than minecraft, I'd be willing to bed I would still have more hours in minecraft

than classic doom, despite not playing minecraft very often since 2015

[wheat sigil]

Im pretty linear with my games
500 hours in clash royale
Soon 1000 in doom eternal
Almost 2000 in minecraft

[prime sentinel]

but I played it like every single day for a looooong time

I wanna say I started playing Minecraft in 2011 and mostly stopped in 2015 or so

idk what my hours look like, but its gotta be a good amount

[slender night]

I wasn't part of the discussion, but whatever. Mine's turning 8 this year

[prime sentinel]

nice

anyone remember what the first game they got on steam was?

[slender night]

Almost exactly a month from now actually

[cyan lotus]

didn’t really play video games that adamantly prior to DE

[prime sentinel]

I'm trying to remember, it has to be TF2 though, like, I'm pretty sure I got steam just to play it because I watched a lot of jerma videos

[slender night]

LEGO Marvel's Avengers, it was the entire reason I signed up for Steam

Which is kind of ironic considering I play it on Xbox now

[prime sentinel]

I used to subscribe to the position that PC gaming is objectively better than console gaming, which is rich, since I had a laptop that could barely play games from the late 2000s let alone then current year

so like, I'd be playing saints row 2 at the lowest settings and it'd look and run like shit because its the saints row 2 pc port lol

[cyan lotus]

the way things are going, “objective” isn’t far off

[prime sentinel]

if only modern pc ports weren't consistently kinda shit

[slender night]

Neither are better or worse. PC grants you freedom at the cost of being a headache at times, while console grants you simplicity at the cost of being limited

[cyan lotus]

xbox is dropping out of the race, PlayStations trying to sell a console for 700 dollars, and Nintendos business model is unfortunately working out by providing a unique iteration of a commodity which sucks for me to say because I don’t approve of them

[prime sentinel]

I think whether a pc or console is right for you is down to the individual

and what your situation is

[slender night]

What race?

[prime sentinel]

pcs are more expensive but they do a lot more, investing in something that can run modern titles can be expensive, and since games on pc can't be developed specifically for your SKU because pcs just have way more variables than console, games usually run poorer on your hardware than they should considering console performance

[slender night]

Personally, I managed to get the perfect balance for me. PS1 for old games, Xbox One for modern games, and PC for that gray area between them

[prime sentinel]

idk how long an xbox one is gonna hold out as a "modern" console

[slender night]

Which is why I'm planning to upgrade soon

[prime sentinel]

the best thing about PC gaming, besides modding (which I've never been super into) is probably the absolute size of its library and choices

but problems arise therein that would not on console

which is why there is a whole wiki dedicated to solving problems with old pc games

[prime sentinel]

unfortunately, I would probably not go for an Xbox next time

[cyan lotus]

like them actually trying to compete in the console market

[slender night]

Ah okay yeah got it

[prime sentinel]

PS5 already won, which is really funny considering the main thing people say about it is it has no games lol

[slender night]

I have a pretty large game collection on Xbox (76), and I like its style over the PS style. I'm not really into consoles for exclusives, I'm into them for games as a whole, which is where Xbox shines with the backwards comp

So I'm sticking to Xbox

[prime sentinel]

just keep the xbox one for the backwards comp

series x is not the move

[slender night]

Why so?

[prime sentinel]

most microsoft games are gonna come to playstation

so its like, you're kinda just leaving stuff you might like on the table

[slender night]

I'm not really into consoles for exclusives

[prime sentinel]

also, apparently despite being weaker the ps5 runs games better

[slender night]

I can handle lower performance

[prime sentinel]

kinda confused about not being into exclusives in general lol

do you have gamepass?

[slender night]

I have Core, yes, but only for the multiplayer

[prime sentinel]

oh, okay, I was thinking maybe it would make sense to get a series x if you had gamepass since it would immediately give you more access to more games

[slender night]

I don't see how it's confusing. I don't have an Xbox for Halo or Forza or whatever, I don't even like those games. For PS, I never touched any of their exclusives, they don't interest me. Only exception is Spider-Man and that I can play on PC

[prime sentinel]

how do you know you wouldn't like them?

like, just being able to try them out

[slender night]

I tried Forza on my cousin's Xbox, it felt like hot garbage to me

[prime sentinel]

to me, if xbox is gonna become primarily a publisher, then it would make sense to get a sony console since you get all the games that used to be exclusives and then the sony exclusives

[slender night]

As for Halo, the premise doesn't interest me. I already have Wolf, Quake and DOOM to play FPS if I want to, with much better premises

[prime sentinel]

(that will one day be on pc)

[slender night]

I don't really get what you mean by the "used to be exclusives" though, if I can buy them on PC what's the point of buying a PS for them? I prefer console gaming but not enough to get an entire new console for a wider library, especially if the wider library is actually slimmer because of the backwards comp lacking. As I said, I also just do not care about Sony's current exclusives. There's no arguing about the future ones because, well, they're in the future. It might be either a spectacular range of games in the future, or just terrible shit

[prime sentinel]

I assumed you weren't playing new stuff on pc, since you said it was for games between retro and modern

either way, sorry, feel kinda dumb, not trying to argue with you

[slender night]

Oh yeah, that's right. I should rephrase, it's mainly between retro and modern but for exclusives I don't mind booting the good ol' PC back up

[prime sentinel]

my bad

[slender night]

Oh, no, don't worry, I didn't really see this as an argument, moreso just a debate

[prime sentinel]

when I said "used to be exclusives" I was referring to michaelsoft stuff

idk when Spider-Man 2 is coming to pc

would like to play it

[slender night]

As I said, exclusives are not a concern for me at all. I loved SM1 but I'm not dying to play SM2

[prime sentinel]

yeah same, I'm not buying a PS5

any time soon at least

[slender night]

I haven't even got around to playing Miles Morales yet

[prime sentinel]

might get one to be a 4k blu ray player once they are cheap enough

[slender night]

I have TASM 1 and TASM 2 to keep me busy while SM2 is an exclusive. I've squeezed out as much as I can out of TASM 1 though, I have the 5th highest playtime of it on Steam

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263217840563949701/1287387114501177375/image.png?ex=66f15c2e&is=66f00aae&hm=9da26aad6a0167ea3bc04fc2aa53dd0689a557f8b0c7296d0a97c4c37810e7a3&

[prime sentinel]

I liked Miles Morales, the combat is better than the first one

[prime sentinel]

that is... impressive

[slender night]

I'm pretty sure I'm that high only because of the game being rather a rarity on Steam. It had mixed reviews and I'm pretty sure most of the owners only have it to, well, have it, not actually play it. I got it for cheap, so I just treated it as a game instead of a collector's item

[prime sentinel]

I played it a tiny bit on the xbox 360 as a kid

I remember thinking Batman Arkham City was better

but I liked the web swinging target thingy where you can zip to specific places

[slender night]

Never really been a DC guy, so didn't play those. I first played TASM 1 3 years ago though

[prime sentinel]

which PS4 spider-man definitely stole for good reason

[prime sentinel]

I haven't played them in a long time, but my understanding is they are still considered the gold standard for super hero games

like, the only thing I can think of that even approaches it is probably spider-man ps4, which people immediately compared to the Arkham series when it released

[slender night]

Actually the Gameloft version's web-zipping mechanic is closer to the PS4 one

So if anything they probably got inspired by that one

[prime sentinel]

ah okay, never played any of their spider-man games

[slender night]

Unlimited was great from what I remember, but it's been shut down 6 years ago so I don't really have the clearest memory of it

[prime sentinel]

I played Neversoft's Spider-Man, Spider-Man 1 movie tie in, Spider-Man 2 movie tie in, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man 3 on the wii, Amazing Spider-Man, Marvel's Spider-Man, and Miles Morales

[slender night]

Spider-Man PS1, Spider-Man 2 PS1, Spider-Man 2002, Spider-Man 2 PC, Spider-Man 3 PC, TASM 1, TASM 2, SM PC

If it counts I have a rare promo disc for SM2. Dumped it on Twitter a year ago

[prime sentinel]

isn't spider-man 2 pc completely different from the treyarch console versions?

[slender night]

Yes, I 100%d it once. I thought it was an interesting experience, I honestly enjoyed it but for the same reason I like HL:S. It's so bad it's good

[prime sentinel]

I see

maybe I'll replay the Arkham games

I never played Arkham Knight

its been in my library for a long time

I remember Arkham City had this really awesome boss fight with Mr. Freeze

where it was kind of a puzzle, where there were so many way to do damage, but once you did damage one way, he would find a way to counter you next time you tried it

neat way to simulate him learning your tactics

[slender night]

That's interesting

[prime sentinel]

also, I don't think you have to be into batman or DC to enjoy it

I think it was always hailed as just being a good game on its own :p

[slender night]

I might give it a shot someday, I just don't really expect to be immersed

[prime sentinel]

City is considered the best one

[prime sentinel]

well if you go in thinking that then you won't be :p

[slender night]

True

[prime sentinel]

honestly, I've been going into games wanting to like them more recently

and it has made me enjoy games more lol

I haven't played a game I just straight up didn't like for a long time, though, I only really buy stuff I'm pretty certain I'll like

[slender night]

You should play Wolfenstein if you haven't

[prime sentinel]

I have played Wolfenstein.

[bitter thorn]

i think the possible difference may be that, unlike the average gamer, you actually don't despise videogames as a medium

i've seen so many people recently hate every single thing they do for fun, and i just wanna tell some people like, "why don't you try reading a book?"

[prime sentinel]

lmao

I've been playing more games recently than usual tbh, I'm having lots of fun playing new stuff/classics I never played before

I do go in wanting to like everything I play like I said, not that I'm uncritical, but I do agree that there is a lot of pesimism around games, and some of it is for good reason, but sometimes I'll see like, a youtube video about how "video games aren't fun anymore" and I'll roll my eyes

[tender thorn]

is the dark ages really dark

[prime sentinel]

flashlight from doom 3 making a comeback

love to see it

[wheat sigil]

No, it plays out on the surface of the sun

[tender thorn]

i knew it

[stark lance]

The Sun Ages

[modern cloud]

Fr

[scenic lichen]

If doomguy’s opening dialogue isn’t “Damn… the age truly is dark.” I ain’t buying the game

[fast sage]

Combat Shotgun - Combat Shotgun
Heavy Assault Rifle - Skull Crusher
Plasma Rifle - Accelerator
Rocket Launcher - (No introduction yet)
Super Shotgun - Super Shotgun
Ballista/Gauss Cannon - Railspike
Chaingun - Sentinel Mechs

[hard thistle]

What

[jolly plume]

"Man, it's fucking dark in here where tf is the switch?"

[tribal lagoon]

I think we'll probably get a chaingun that isnt the mech

[terse basin]

[stoic forge]

I want him to say “it’s doomin’ time” and then doom all over the place

Any update on the game?

[tribal wing]

how did they make the mother 🦆ing doom slayer even cooler

[neon perch]

I'm hoping the Skull Crusher is an effective weapon. Looks like a really decent high-damaging crowd control option from the trailer.

That's actually something I found lacking in the last couple games. The Chaingun in classic Doom was a mob-clearing, stunlocking tool with plenty of common ammo to dispose of. It didn't quite serve the same purpose in 2016/Eternal.

[placid saffron]

I hope they don't repeat the problem in eternal where all fully automatic guns are both boring and weak

If they remove movement complexity it only stands to reason that your gunset is more complicated

[neon perch]

Automatic guns were done pretty dirty in both games. QS killed a lot of the underlying nuance that Doom's arsenal had.

[placid saffron]

Not just QS, having sheer damage be the biggest arbiter of weapon choice leads to few optimal choices. With nudoom i'd say you can't just do the same philosophy as ogdoom anyways

[neon perch]

Classic Doom's arsenal was basic but insanely practical and effective with minimal skill involved. I hope they can replicate that and actually serve us some proper punchy weapons that get the job done without the need of gimmicks.

[placid saffron]

Considering we have weapon mods now, i don't think that will be the route at all

Plus we are already oversaturated by "simple" boomer shooters with standard weapons, a AAA studio fully delving into the gimmicks imo where all are actually equal is so muxh more interesting

[neon perch]

From the outset, I mean. The last couple Doom games have a tendency to make weapon standard fire suck without upgrades of any sort.

2016's Rocket Launcher is particularly insulting.

[placid saffron]

That's because half the guns in eternal (if you include weapons mods as seperate weapons) are unbalanced compared to eachother

It's not even a weapon-unique thing

[neon perch]

I just want to be able to one-shot cut through mobs with a combat shotgun round from medium distance again.

[placid saffron]

Aslong as it's balanced compared to all your other options, otherwise those other options aren't real options

[neon perch]

The fact the enemy cap seems higher than the last couple games gives me hope that enemies will have generally lower HP but hit harder than previous entries.

Which may balance it out. We'll see.

[placid saffron]

I just hope they didn't regress on their game design after the whining that came out of eternal's release

[neon perch]

That's actually something I rambled on about a while back. I hope they don't backpedal all the way to TAG 2's design philosophy and completely undo every mechanic that the Reddit crowd yapped on for being too 'unfun'. You should be forced out of your comfort zone and you should be forced to utilize your mobility to traverse levels every so often. Classic Doom's ambushes and labyrinths come to mind.

I think Hugo once made a comment on Doom 64 feeling like it fucked with the player, and that's something they kinda had going in Eternal, but didn't fully realize outside of a handful platforming hazards peppered throughout. The problem wasn't with the platforming itself existing, it's that they could've done so many more creative things with it.

Bring back ambushes and traps, dammit.

[placid saffron]

Only complaint about out of combat platforming i have is that it doesn't mesh well enough with in combat movement

Where's all the monkeybars? All the climbable walls? They should be more integrated so out of combat movement is sharpening your in combat movement

[neon perch]

I can recall instances of platforming in SGN/AC where you had to climb walls and stuff to progress.

Problem is, again, they didn't make them interesting enough.

I would've loved to see the platforming involve at least some form of combat, or proper punishment instead of shaving some HP off for missing the timing on a jump.

[placid saffron]

Meh it's out of combat platforming, more punishment then just some HP loss is too much

[neon perch]

Fair enough. I do believe downtime is important to pacing, I just hope they can think of interesting things to do this time around outside of the heavy combat sequences.

Ideally I'd prefer less arenas and more incidental combat with 1-2 enemies putting the hurt on, kinda like Eternal does on occasion, to keep the player engaged.

[subtle breach]

I would honestly love to see something like Plutonia’s Map11 “Hunted”

Obviously not the exact same thing because archies don’t work the same, but still

[placid saffron]

It is! Just not to the point where for failing you need an even harsher punishment

[placid saffron]

Less arenas noooo

[subtle breach]

Remember 2016, you just die if you fell

[neon perch]

I might be in the minority here but I just want entire levels to be sprawling, nonlinear mazes again.

Have every AI be active at once and get the drop in on you as soon as you open a door is peak Doom.

[subtle breach]

I agree, but I still want some linear maps still.

Or pseudo linear

Bro imagine Go 2 It

But modern

[neon perch]

Foundry and Argent Facility in 2016 have phenomenal layouts, but ultimately they only serve the purpose of setpieces for the Gore Nest encounters you trigger as you make your way through the map. It just doesn't hit as hard.

[subtle breach]

Yeah. I am a huge fan of the OG maps

Imagine E1-M1 Hanger remade in TDA

[placid saffron]

You can have that and still have arenas

[subtle breach]

Yeah. It’s all about finding the balance.

[neon perch]

Ideally I'd like a middlegrounds of both. I want to be able to cut through large mobs as well as be forced to weave through bullet hell encounters, and seems like TDA will deliver both.

I just wonder what the level layouts will be like and if keyhunting/labyrinths will make a return. They did mention wanting exploration to play a bigger part and I hope this doesn't just mean physically larger levels. Eternal's levels in particular were often way too fucking longwinded and I'd appreciate it if they offered more variety on that front. Same for actually having to scout the entire map looking for secrets or keys to unlock sections of a map.

Man keycards were done dirty in nuDoom.

[prime sentinel]

its funny because the first level of Eternal has a keycard and it got me super hyped when I first played it

but then it turned out that wasn't the norm lol

super gore nest has keys basically, at least, and that's one of the best levels

[neon perch]

? No it doesn't, unless you're thinking of CB.

[prime sentinel]

Hell on earth has a keycard

[neon perch]

Oh yeah it does. My bad.

[winter idol]

it has a keycard you use to open a door 5 seconds after you get it

keycards are superficial in eternal, the levels are completely linear anyway its almost pointless

[prime sentinel]

yeah, but that's not abnormal for an early doom map, I thought it was introducing the concept to be used more later on

see, I don't really need non-linear levels, what I want is really interconnected levels, non-linearity is cool, but not the end all be all

lots of classic doom levels aren't really "non-linear"

[winter idol]

yea but the fact that theres none is kinda meh

[prime sentinel]

I do agree with that

would have been cool if super gore nest let you get the keys in different orders

[winter idol]

2016 had like 3 but they were still fun

[prime sentinel]

I think 2016 had better exploration for sure

and secrets

probably the main thing I think it does better, ultimately I do prefer eternal, but that's one thing 2016 has over it

[winter idol]

eternal is the better game but it definitly lost some charm from 2016

[prime sentinel]

Eternal is a video game ass video game, 2016 is often more subtle

[hard thistle]

I miss Meathook from Eternal when I play 2016

[winter idol]

i remember being a bit disappointed from eternal since it lost some of that charm and i had already set my expectations long before launch

[prime sentinel]

I miss air dashes

you feel so slow in 2016

[hard thistle]

I miss the movement, I love how fast paced Eternal is, I like thinking on the spot, keeps my mind at bay

[wheat sigil]

movement is eternal's strongest suit

[winter idol]

i honestly cant stand the dash

[neon perch]

The fact you don't move as fast in any other direction than forwards in 2016 is what fucks me over.

[hard thistle]

"Waahhh who put Mario in my Doom game" like 2016 had no platforming

[prime sentinel]

I rather like the platforming in Eternal, I think its fun

not really a problem to me

[hard thistle]

I also enjoy it

[neon perch]

2016's platforming was worse by virtue of it not working half the time.

[hard thistle]

Not grabbing the ledge when I swear I did

[prime sentinel]

Eternal is a game that is pretty much segmented, most of the time you are doing a singular activity, the meat of the game is combat, but when there's platforming that's pretty much all you are doing

[hard thistle]

I have the fear of god in me trying to get the classic level in Resource Ops

[prime sentinel]

really clearly defined sections

not a negative or positive

[hard thistle]

That's fair

I think I miss on command armor from Eternal the most in 2016

[prime sentinel]

after a certain point in 2016 you don't need it

[hard thistle]

Fair

[prime sentinel]

because you are absurdly powerful

difficulty peaks like 3 levels in

[hard thistle]

Siege Mode + Rich Get Richer

Or Mobile Turret

[wheat sigil]

this also applies to Eternal

both difficulty peak and the powerful thing

[prime sentinel]

maybe for you...

[hard thistle]

I don't think Eternal was that hard, I think I just was bad

[prime sentinel]

thought DLC1 was easily the hardest part of the game

[wheat sigil]

as long as you use the things the game gives you, the game gets objectively easier as you progress past cultists base

[wheat sigil]

didnt include DLCs

in tag1 the difficulty picks up

[prime sentinel]

did you think that on your first playthrough as well? because frankly I remember finding the combat in the later levels pretty difficult and more demanding

[hard thistle]

I don't know why but Icon of Sin's first phase was leagues harder than the second

[wheat sigil]

i did think so on my first playthrough

[hard thistle]

I did his second phase first try but his first took me like eight

[prime sentinel]

I died way more on the first phase as well lol

even last time I played

[hard thistle]

I think it was just cause of how small it was

[prime sentinel]

fair enough

[wheat sigil]

talking with you has reminded me i gotta play some turbo overkill lol

[prime sentinel]

I don't completely agree but you're also way better than me at the game

[hard thistle]

M1 the best Eternal player fr

[prime sentinel]

oh yeah, I'm at the end of E2, in E2 some of the weapons you get are insane, and stuff that they would never put in doom

do you mind a weapon spoiler?

[hard thistle]

I'm just bad at shooters cause I haven't played them in quite a bit and I'm used to ones where I can shoot a big ass rocket launcher that nukes the entire screen (Borderlands moment)

[wheat sigil]

i dont mind any spoilers tbh

[prime sentinel]

||there's a sniper rifle that allows you to telefrag enemies and an orbital cannon you control||

[wheat sigil]

holy shit my sensitivty was high from the last time i played

[wheat sigil]

i wish

[wheat sigil]

sounds balanced

[hard thistle]

You're miles better than me

[prime sentinel]

I'd say I'm alllllright as far as like, the literal average is considered

nothing compared to cracked out players

[hard thistle]

I'm slightly better than average I'd say but that isn't much

[prime sentinel]

but I'm not really the type of person who considers grinding/mastering to be all that fun, some people are predisposed to that

[hard thistle]

I did my first playthrough on Nightmare for what it's worth

[prime sentinel]

did my first on UV, probably could have brute forced nightmare because of Eternal's checkpoint system lol

[wheat sigil]

i just play and do whatever i find fun

and usually that is the same as getting better at the game

[wheat sigil]

i also have way more hours

if you had as many you'd be just as good

[prime sentinel]

right, and different people find different things fun

[hard thistle]

How many hours do you have

[wheat sigil]

797

[prime sentinel]

120, here

[wheat sigil]

of course

[prime sentinel]

but it kind of spiked when I was messing around in the editor, since that counts towards hours for whatever reason

[hard thistle]

Yeah no I have like maybe 90? 100?

[prime sentinel]

it was probably like 100 before

[hard thistle]

Like a fourth of my hours are multiplayer grinding though

[prime sentinel]

haven't even touched battlemode tbh

[hard thistle]

It's really enjoyable

I warmed up to it

[prime sentinel]

I'm just not super into MP

[wheat sigil]

same here

[prime sentinel]

like every once in a while I'll get the itch to play an MP game but I want something super casual and low stakes

can't do CS or anything like that, just not fun for me

[wheat sigil]

i just lowered my mouse sensitivity in turbo overkill from 8.5 on the X and Y axis to 1.8

a small change

[prime sentinel]

8.5?????

I think mine is like 2.5

I tend to play on lower sens

[hard thistle]

I have like max sensitivity on controller

Low look smoothing

[wheat sigil]

on the mouse i have a button which controls DPI, i can choose from 4 different DPI values and I have mine at the lowest

[prime sentinel]

I cannot play shooters on a controller for the life of me, it doesn't feel right

[wheat sigil]

i was told by a really good eternal player to lower my sensitivity, so i did, and it feels way better

[prime sentinel]

first shooter I ever played was UT2004 on my mom's boyfriend at the time's pc

[hard thistle]

I think the first shooter I played was on the PS2, don't remember what it was

I've grown up with shooters, I'm just bad at aiming really

[prime sentinel]

I played lots of shitty licensed platformers growing up haha

my first console was the gamecube

brownie points if you can guess the first game I played on it

[wheat sigil]

My first ever shooter was actually Eternal

[hard thistle]

Damn

[agile osprey]

My first shooter was eternal asw

[hard thistle]

I remember playing 2016's demo when it released cause my dad saw how much I wanted it

He let me play it cause I just wasn't scared of the demons

[prime sentinel]

played Quake before Doom

[hard thistle]

I started Quake a few months ago

I really like how it feels

[prime sentinel]

Quake 1 is great, love the Machine Games expansion

you can beat the base game in an afternoon

love how abstract and limited the OG levels are, its really cool

[hard thistle]

Machine Games makes good expansions ID keep 'em around for stuff like that

[prime sentinel]

their Quake 2 one is even better imo

[hard thistle]

Which expansions for 2 did they make

[prime sentinel]

Call of the Machine

[hard thistle]

The only one I started was Q264

[prime sentinel]

the new one

you will be able to tell instantly once you play it because it looks way better since it was made 25 years later :p

[prime sentinel]

I would play the OG campaign first

[hard thistle]

Yeah

[prime sentinel]

then do Quake 64

[hard thistle]

I love the Super Shotgun in Q2

[prime sentinel]

honestly, the 2 old Quake 2 expansions aren't that great, like, they're playable, but you can skip right to Call of the Machine after playing 64

[hard thistle]

I'll probably play them

[prime sentinel]

yeah I played them for completion's sake

Call of the Machine is goated though, highly recommend, was like, my favorite game of 2023 lmao

[hard thistle]

That reminds me I still need to beat Sigil and Sigil 2

Then I'll do all the Doom 2 expansions

I did start Plutonia though and while it makes me want to die it is really fun

[prime sentinel]

hey, you should go to the "featured add ons" section

and play Tetanus

I made the first level for that

[hard thistle]

Sick

I also started LoR (yes I start all of them without completing them) and I really like it

[prime sentinel]

yeah LoR is amazing

[hard thistle]

It looks so good

[prime sentinel]

know people who worked on it

[hard thistle]

Who

I know of Xaser and pretty sure Machine Games also helped out with it

[prime sentinel]

Xaser mainly, talked with him a bit about it, he was the lead on that, and did all the music

one guy from machine games iirc

[hard thistle]

Ah okay

[prime sentinel]

two guys from Id

oh also, another dude from night dive, gooberman, who made some of my favorite maps from the set

[hard thistle]

So weird that Doom 2 is 30 this year

I mean it does feel old but not that old

[prime sentinel]

its old enough to decide its the best game ever made

[hard thistle]

I get bored of Doom 2 for whatever reason

I'll try to replay it and it just kinda gets eh

[prime sentinel]

when I say its the best game ever made, I am unfairly including wads

[slender night]

You probably replay it right after UDOOM

[prime sentinel]

and the community

[slender night]

Which, in itself, is 32 levels required, which is longer than DOOM II's 30 levels required

[prime sentinel]

UDOOM is 36 levels

[slender night]

You're probably burnt out before you even start the DOOM II replay. I have the same thing

[slender night]

I'm not counting secret levels

I mean, they're optional, you have no reason to go back to them when replaying

[prime sentinel]

sure but they're full levels aren't they?

personally, I never replay the secret maps in Doom or Doom 2 because I don't think they're all that great compared to the normal maps haha

[slender night]

Do you include them in replays? I sure don't

[prime sentinel]

no, but they're levels in the game

[slender night]

Yeah exactly. I'm talking about replays

[prime sentinel]

Doom 2 is 32 levels even if you don't play all of them lmao

[slender night]

I reworded my message

I don't find it likely that many people go for secret maps every replay, unless they're purists

[prime sentinel]

I basically never play secret maps

maybe besides Plutonia, because I like both of them

[slender night]

I never played through Final DOOM tbh

I did MLs though

[prime sentinel]

I think the new port is probably the best way to play the Master Levels since it makes it into a mapset rather than separate maps

it makes it feel more cohesive, had a fun time with them, they aren't too bad

Plutonia is probably the best Classic Doom in terms of level design

[slender night]

I played them pistol-start via the Unity port

It's kinda funny to me you don't actually need to play them at all for every achievement for beating it... except on PS3

[prime sentinel]

in the new nightdive port they are a mapset, they all use the night sky too, which gives them a better sense of cohesiveness

have you played No Rest for the Living?

[slender night]

Yes, plenty of times. I 100%d X360 DOOM II

[prime sentinel]

have you played Legacy of Rust yet?

[slender night]

I haven't even played Sigil yet

[prime sentinel]

Sigil is pretty good

[slender night]

I've heard good things about it, I just honestly don't really care

It's not that I don't want to play it, I don't care about Classic DOOM in general lately. I love it, it's fantastic, it's a genuine great mini-genre, but I'm just interested in other stuff for now

[prime sentinel]

fair enough

I just recently replayed all the officially released stuff since the new port came out for those cheevos

my conclusion is that Doom is pretty good, can't bring myself to dislike any of the official content made for it

[slender night]

I just used the level select exploit lol

[prime sentinel]

where's the fun in that :p

[slender night]

I mean... if it pops the achievement, it pops it

It's not like I used some third-party software or a glitch for it

Calling it a exploit in itself is a bit farfetched

[prime sentinel]

wow not a real gamer

[slender night]

Tragic...

[prime sentinel]

😢

[slender night]

Well I'm a real gamer sir, I 100%d TASM 1 and 2!!!1

[prime sentinel]

HOLY SHIT

[slender night]

Having them is more of a novelty than anything... to others
I love them personally

[prime sentinel]

I think we did discuss this at some point

but Ultimate Spider-Man was my favorite Spider-Man as a kid

[slender night]

Never played it, always wanted to

[prime sentinel]

its basically spider-man 2

like in terms of gameplay, treyarch developed it

[slender night]

...never played that one either

[prime sentinel]

🧐

[slender night]

I never had a PS2, GameCube, or Xbox

[prime sentinel]

am I

am I old now?

[slender night]

But I did have a PS1 😛

[prime sentinel]

aight!

my pappy had a ps1, played spider-man and scooby doo cyber chase on it

[slender night]

I've played the two Spider-Man games on it, and the 2 Rayman games

[prime sentinel]

gamecube was the first console I ever owned, first game I ever played on it was Super Smash Bros Melee

this explains why no one wanted to sit with me at lunch

[slender night]

How do these two relate...

[silver oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-terminalmontage-supersmashbros-gif-18466170

[silver oriole]

You never took a shower?

[prime sentinel]

nope

[silver oriole]

A true smash player

[prime sentinel]

I'm actually the world's number one zelda player

[silver oriole]

I'm the worlds best Ganondorf
Name a time and place

Ill use my experience combined from melee and the other games to win

[prime sentinel]

for a while I was going to my coworkers' house with the other dude from 3rd shift and the the 3 of us would play smash ultimate for like 3 hours straight

[silver oriole]

Wish I had people irl to play with

[prime sentinel]

I went to a christmas party in 2018 after it launched

and there was a tournament

[silver oriole]

So instead I just go online and obtain tons of salt from it

Bro is actually the number 1 ultimate player

[prime sentinel]

then my friend ran over a bush in the neighbors yard

I like peach and ganondorf lol

[silver oriole]

Weak sauce
I held a smash tourney while going through turbulence on a plane

[misty beacon]

gayming

[slender night]

It is quite tedious because of how the comic books are spread across the map

[dense gazelle]

Dafaq is going on here

[hard thistle]

Meele

[full arch]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-pog-gif-22171410

[stray pollen]

I hope they bring back the berserk growl sounds from 2016. Shit was mad satisfying when doomguy would bark gutturally with each punch when you got the berserk power up

[honest vortex]

I didn't even notice a growl.

Just crunch and gib and blood splatter sounds

[stray pollen]

Oh yeah. If you replay 2016 and get the berserk power up, each glory kill will make doomguy roar as he's literally ripping and tearing and punching.

[terse basin]

sab

[zinc jacinth]

Not sure if I'm looking too far into it.

But I think a few of the unused things shown off in the Id Vault might be used in The Dark Ages.

[idle gale]

I own an Xbox One X console and I was wondering if I'll be able to play Doom Dark Ages that will be released as Xbox Series X|S game.
I never tried to download from Xbox store an Xbox Series X|S game on my Xbox One X Console. Has anybody tried?
My last resort to avoid to purchase a new console I guess can be Xbox cloud gaming, right?

[crystal snow]

I'm literally just waiting to get a PS5 until doom dark ages comes out.

[ebon shale]

I'd rather get a PC at this point

[fair zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

The trailer looks so sick but i cant get the game when it comes out bc i have a ps4

[empty furnace]

ima wait until the game goes on sale

[winter idol]

gonne have to wait probably 2 years for that

[hard thistle]

Eternal is on PS4

Iirc at least

[prime sentinel]

If past releases from id are anything to go by, it’ll probably see a relatively quick price reduction and stay there, like eternal and 2016, 2 years sounds accurate

Iirc eternal is 40 at this point? And 2016 is 20, surprising because a lot of older games are still full price on steam

[hard thistle]

Eternal is 40

[winter idol]

I really like how id software drops the prices of their games

[prime sentinel]

I’m expecting tda to launch at 70

So I imagine it’ll lower to 50 eventually

[winter idol]

black ops 2 came out 12 years ago and activision still charges 60 for it on steam despite support and server maintanence having ended years ago

[hard thistle]

I will pre-order TDA day 1

[prime sentinel]

Same, I don’t usually pre order but I trust Id

[hard thistle]

For good reason I trust them

[winter idol]

honestly i could see id making dark ages 60

space marine 2 just came out and its 60

[hard thistle]

Id made Doom, no reason to not trust them

[prime sentinel]

Idk I’m judging it based on bethesdas pricing of starfield

Also black ops 6

[winter idol]

well those arent the best metrics to go off of lmao

[prime sentinel]

I don’t see Microsoft thinking they can’t charge 70 for it

[prime sentinel]

They’re both Microsoft

[winter idol]

true but we really dont know if microsoft controls the pricing or not

[prime sentinel]

I don’t think it’s illogical to use them

[winter idol]

it could be up to studio leads

[prime sentinel]

Idk doesn’t seem likely to me, I imagine the publisher can charge whatever they want

[winter idol]

depends on the publisher really, only thing we know is that we dont know

[prime sentinel]

Same with things like forcing micro transactions, it’s not usually the developers choice

We don’t know, but I’d be willing to bet on a 70 dollar price tag

[winter idol]

also depends on the content the game offers, we still know VERY little about the game

we dont even know if or what the multiplayer mode will be

[prime sentinel]

When has the amount of content determined how much is charged for a triple a game?

[winter idol]

again depends on the studio and publisher

i will say its most likely a toss up between 60 and 70

[prime sentinel]

I’m surprised we can’t pre order it yet

[winter idol]

70 is a barrier to entry for alot of people that they might not be willing to cross

[winter idol]

cause the game is still in early alpha and not close to release

preorders usually happen like 6 months in advance, if not shorter

preorders will go up when the game is mostly done and marketing kicks off to advertise the game

[teal silo]

50 with no microtransactions seems fine to me

[winter idol]

ok its not going to be 50

[prime sentinel]

See I don’t agree at all

The best selling game last year was 70 dollars

[teal silo]

Still expensive

[winter idol]

yes but doom isnt going to have sales like elden ring or even wukong

[prime sentinel]

online people are very resistant to 70 dollar games, but irl people are willing to pay for it, I'm not saying I think games should be 70 dollars but that the general populace is willing to spend that much

[teal silo]

Shame that we have to cough up so much money just for a game

[winter idol]

also depends on reigonal prices

[prime sentinel]

I agree, I don't like spending money

[winter idol]

like in brazil people are so poor that games are usually 30% - 50% cheaper

or swiss money being so over valued that everything costs way more in switzerland

[prime sentinel]

of course, I was referring to the price in the US

[winter idol]

yea, even now tho alot of people that play games cant afford alot now that we are growing up and getting low paying jobs with overpriced rent, so thats also a factor

[hard thistle]

I hate tipping

Kind of a factor in the low paying jobs

[prime sentinel]

I think I'll buy maybeeee a game a month

[winter idol]

tipping is an excuse for employers to underpay people

[prime sentinel]

some months not at all, but it isn't usually triple a games

[winter idol]

i didnt buy a single triple a game last year, or the year before

[prime sentinel]

that being said I don't really think most huge corporations give a damn how much you make, they need to make the bottom line, which is more than they made last time, if you can't afford it, so what, some other person will make up for it

[winter idol]

actually ive only bought 2 in the past 4 years

[prime sentinel]

I bought 1 triple a game this year

[winter idol]

problem with that thinking is that exponential infinite more money does not exist in reality

[prime sentinel]

yes

[winter idol]

mose of the games ive bought are double A or indie

[agile osprey]

I pretty much only buy indies lol

Except doom and doom eternal

[winter idol]

my favorite game of all time came out last year and its a double A game

[prime sentinel]

that is a problem, but its not going to stop stockholders from expecting exponential growth infinitely

[winter idol]

until the market crashes

its not a question of if, but when

why do you think microsoft shut down all those studios? its cause the investors wanted to slam as much money into the ai slop scam as possible as quickly as possible

[prime sentinel]

and no one in a position to make a difference will ever learn

[winter idol]

one investor for capcom asked the monster hunter leads why they dont just release the game now in order to make money faster

[prime sentinel]

late stage capitalism discussion in the dark ages channel

[winter idol]

this is the level of intelligence that investors have

as in none

[agile osprey]

Disappointing

Im not mad or sad

Just disappointed

[winter idol]

and boomers wonder why we hate corporations with a burning passion

[alpine pilot]

dork ages

[hard thistle]

Dork Eternal

[alpine pilot]

hello, where is my dark ages videogame

[hard thistle]

in the future

[alpine pilot]

but its a prequel right

[hard thistle]

A prequel but its release is in the future

[alpine pilot]

but prequels are in the past

[slender night]

Genius...

[hard thistle]

You got me

[placid saffron]

I wouldn't even really count wukong, game is a statistical outlier because it actually utilized the enormous Chinese market

[dense gazelle]

Hope doom stays brutal af and doesn't soften down to only sell more copies

[slender night]

That'd make it sell less though lol

[dense gazelle]

Soon state of play will absolutely zero dtda 🤡

[winter idol]

thats obvious

[dense gazelle]

Same for tgs

Indiana Jones will be in the spotlight

[prime sentinel]

this is not even something you should be remotely worried about lol

violent video games sell, violence sells

[dense gazelle]

Not really

Where is a manhunt remake?

[hard thistle]

Violent video games help cause it means I can take out my anger on things that don't exist

[dense gazelle]

Impossible in these days

[prime sentinel]

in tlou part 2 you can shoot the legs off of a breathing human who will yell out in pain to their comerades. This game sold over 10 million copies

[slender night]

Bad argument

[prime sentinel]

manhunt 2 sold like shit

[slender night]

Have you considered there isn't one because Rockstar is currently working on their most important game ever

[dense gazelle]

Blood 3?

[prime sentinel]

you're just naming games you want sequels/remakes to, that doesn't mean violent games aren't popular

[agile osprey]

Helldivers
Space marine II
Ultrakill
TLOU
Doom
Dishonored

[slender night]

You don't really expect developers to keep pumping games nonstop right?

[prime sentinel]

Mortal Kombat

[dense gazelle]

Tlou sold for the drama not the gore

But I loved the gunplay with the dismemberment

[prime sentinel]

they literally sold TLOU on its violence.

[agile osprey]

These all dont have violence as their only feature but its a pretty big selling point

[dense gazelle]

U only mention new games

[prime sentinel]

one of the first clips of TLOU part 2 was Yara getting her arm horribly disfigured

[agile osprey]

Dishonored is 2011

What about mk lol

[prime sentinel]

I thought the point was violent games don't sell anymore? so why wouldn't they list new games

that was the entire point of the argument

[agile osprey]

Fucking '92

[dense gazelle]

If they would sell why don't they remake the old classics?

[prime sentinel]

they do

just not every game ever lmao

[dense gazelle]

Speaking of brutal games with horror vibes

[prime sentinel]

manhunt wasn't ever profitable compared to like, GTA or Red Dead

[dense gazelle]

I despise gta

[prime sentinel]

modern mortal kombat is way more violent than the classics too lmao

[dense gazelle]

U think I don't own all mk games 😉

[shrewd inlet]

mortal combat needs doom guy

[dense gazelle]

Sure

[hard thistle]

I wanna see Doom Slayer using the crucible to cut someone in half down the middle

Would be an awesome brutality

[agile osprey]

There are way more brutal things he could do

[hard thistle]

True

[dense gazelle]

Indeed

[hard thistle]

BFG10k

[prime sentinel]

also, for the record, Manhunt's violence aint shit nowadays, the reason they probably wouldn't want to touch it is the content surrounding the violence

[slender night]

That'd be Bitterman more than anything

[hard thistle]

fair

I'm not creative ask someone else

[dense gazelle]

I liked consuming dozens of innocent people in both prototype games, don't think this will be possible again

[prime sentinel]

you can gun down civilians in GTA

for no reason

[dense gazelle]

I know still no interest

No creatures in gta

[prime sentinel]

are you saying you don't think its possible to consume innocent people in a video game?

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, I just thought you were making a point about how games are less violent now

[dense gazelle]

It's not the violence its the political correctness

[prime sentinel]

alright now THIS is getting interesting lmao what does that have to do with anything discussed so far

[dense gazelle]

Mk has gore all over the place but the girls are covered in clothes and what about the genderswap?

[prime sentinel]

what about it?

[dense gazelle]

U played the old mk games?

[prime sentinel]

yeah

[dense gazelle]

Then u should know

[prime sentinel]

know what?

[odd bane]

I don’t expect DA to be better than Eternal but I’m greatly looking forward to it

[remote thunder]

oh i know you'd love this spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1AVTZPJij5PQmlWAkYdDahBrxDiwqWMGsWEcEnpdKTa4/htmlview?pli=1

[prime sentinel]

that they changed a character's gender in an alternate universe?

they also made scorpion sub zero's brother iirc

its a new universe

[odd bane]

Universe implies only one

[dense gazelle]

The whipsplash has no titties

[odd bane]

It implies everything

Oooh gotcha

[prime sentinel]

the what?

[odd bane]

Whiplash demon

Is female

[prime sentinel]

ohhhh

[odd bane]

But no boobs

[dense gazelle]

Come on dude

[prime sentinel]

thought we were talking MK

[prime sentinel]

can't show em in a trailer lol

[odd bane]

Need succubus demon in DA

[prime sentinel]

there are no old demons with titties out

[dense gazelle]

How the hell did u play Eternal?

[odd bane]

Xbox series s

[prime sentinel]

pc

[odd bane]

Switch first

[prime sentinel]

the wokeler got Doom Eternal 😔

its so joever

[agile osprey]

Whiplash very much has tiddies

[remote thunder]

this is so funny

[dense gazelle]

No nipples

[agile osprey]

Its a hell species thing

Fuck I know

Im not boutta psychoanalyze demon anatomy

[dense gazelle]

Isn't this doom all about 😉

[prime sentinel]

how come there aren't dicks on the imps?

woke

[agile osprey]

Good point

[dense gazelle]

Dicks out

Have you played Dantes Inferno?

[fossil sigil]

any body know release dates

for dtda

[slender night]

There is none. All that is known about the release is 2025

[boreal jay]

Any chance we get something at tgs or should I not get my hopes up?

[hard thistle]

TGS?

[lusty shale]

tokyo game show

[hard thistle]

Oh oki

[reef zephyr]

My birthday today

[hard thistle]

Happy birthday

[reef zephyr]

Thanks indxgo

How's your defect arc

Also, what is a defect arc

And is the summer event over in eternal

/srs

/me RAAAAGH

hi

Sgwy

[hard thistle]

Arcs are me being hyperfixated on something

The Defect from Slay the Spire being this one

I also have the strange sensation in wanting to be part robot

[reef zephyr]

Oh I love slay the spire and the defect android is my main. Robots are cool

[reef zephyr]

DO IT

[hard thistle]

For real, it's cool that you also play borderlands too

[hard thistle]

I wish, because from the moment I understood the weakness of my own flesh...

[reef zephyr]

It disgusted me

[hard thistle]

I gotta get built like Doom Slayer first though

[reef zephyr]

Also did anyone else get all the quakecon 2020 and 2021 stuff randomly

Cause I did

[nocturne agate]

Yh

[hard thistle]

I don't know if I did, haven't played Eternal in a while

[nocturne agate]

Skins r a bit poo

[reef zephyr]

Oh okay

[reef zephyr]

I dont know I personally like them

[nocturne agate]

To each their own

I just don’t like the colours tbh