the-dark-ages

[sonic turret]

I think you're thinking of CoD.

[crude hatch]

There were scopes for eternal and 2016

[hard thistle]

I’ve never played cod I want my precision bolt

[soft turret]

The heavy cannon precision bolt effectively makes it a sniper

[hard thistle]

Yes

[crude hatch]

Though I highly doubt we’re getting a normal sniper because again, night sentinels

[soft turret]

It doesn't seem so bc demons are tanky

[harsh egret]

imagine the precision bolt from Eternal in those areas with like 20 demons next to eachother from the trailer, all gone from one bullet

[soft turret]

We're used to snipers one shotting everything except tanks so

[high pendant]

yeah jus like how brahmastra is the weapon made from pure argent energy from heaven, the crucible is also going to be a feature in doom dark ages cuz in doom eternal u would see the crucible blade on the titan which is kept pierced into its chest

[sonic turret]

If there were, I never used them, I either fire from the hip or get it in close.

[gusty moth]

Doesn't necessarily mean it'll be in it

We already we used the crucible in doom, it'll be dry to reuse the crucible in dark ages

[harsh egret]

would be sick if they give the mech the crucible axe thing from the concept art from Eternal

[high pendant]

mentions of crucible would be there as a future weapon cuz it wasn't yet introduced in doom 2016 since dark ages is prequel to it

[soft turret]

You never used the precision bolt in eternal?!

First time I've ever heard someone say that

[hard thistle]

Nuh uh

[forest steeple]

I always wanted the crucible to be a main fun weapon instead of an insta kill like in eternal, however if it was in the game I feel like it would be featured in the trailer. It also doesn't make sense from a lore perspective since the crucible will be stuck in the titan presumably for the entirety of the dark ages

[soft turret]

Don't bring back the crucible

At least not like in eternal

Such a boring weapon

[harsh egret]

it specifically says "trailer 1" and they said they cherrypicked some stuff to start showing first

[forest steeple]

I feel like if the crucible was in the game it should have been among that

[harsh egret]

the crucible wasnt in the first doom eternal trailer either

[forest steeple]

I was so disappointed, such a cool weapon design and lore wise yet such a boring weapon gameplay wise

[forest steeple]

The first trailer was a couple seconds long cinematic. The first gameplay did feature it

[soft turret]

It makes sense for it to be a one shot weapon but these weapons are so boring

There's no fun in clicking and seeing some silly animation where a Baron gives you a poker face as you split him in half

[harsh egret]

and again they went from scratch so i wouldnt be too surprised if they dont have it in the game, and plus i dont see it fit too well into this but who knows

[soft turret]

It could fit very well, but not as it was in eternal

It would have to be a significantly weaker weapon

[harsh egret]

i wont miss it too much if it isnt ngl

[sonic turret]

I dunno, maybe for those sentry things in TAG. I'm not exactly a pro player, more of a minimalist.

[forest steeple]

There's still also the lore reason, it would make no sense for him to have it, it should be in the titan

[soft turret]

So you preferred micro missiles? Bc theres no way you were using the base fire 😭

[hard thistle]

Crucible comes back cause of the thrall final boss fight

[sonic turret]

No, I just shoot it until it breaks.

[soft turret]

Uhhh

[sonic turret]

I main the chain gun most of the time, unless I'm forced to use the Meathook.

[soft turret]

Oh okay

[sonic turret]

Obviously against the Khan Maykr or to frappe onto those round things in TAG2

[harsh egret]

hollup what if the final boss of the main game is on taras nabad and its the titan that has the crucible in him? and its the titan from the end of the trailer

[sonic turret]

One of them maybe. I think there were two in the trailer.

[harsh egret]

ye no i dont think so im messing around

[soft turret]

Would be silly, if they wanna include a final boss titan, it should be the Champion.

[forest steeple]

Makes no sense, that titan was the one he killed right after coming out of the divinity machine. Also the only time he ever used the crucible before the events of eternal

[sonic turret]

The one that you punch and the one that the dragon breaths an energy attack into.

[sonic turret]

Maybe it's a different Titan then, there are a few.

[sonic turret]

I'm imagining it being the Dreadnought.

[soft turret]

It would make more sense to make the Titan Champion from the codex the final boss, but that depends when that fight takes place.

[forest steeple]

That's the one in taras nabad

[harsh egret]

but that bossfight seems so cool, you fight the titan buffed by the dragon with the fire and then you have to fight him off after

[soft turret]

The Dreadnought was right after he came out of the divinity machine, this game takes place after that.

I'm talkimg about the one whose corpse we see in 2016, in Titan's Realm.

[sonic turret]

Well, I think m0no thought that he champion was supposed to be the Icon of Sin, but then Hugo went and muddled things up by saying that the Dark Ages would follow the Slayer Testament story. Initially m0no said that he'd thought that the Slayer Testament was talking about the classic games.

Perhaps Hugo got confused somewhere along the lines and ended up reinventing the wheel.

[soft turret]

Maybe, but the Slayer's testament makes it seem like the Titan Champion battle took place long after the divinity machine.

[sonic turret]

Yeah, possibly.

It's all a bit messy TBH, but then the Tolkien community and the Lovecraft community also have the same problems and get pulled into decade long debates on lore.

[soft turret]

I think the Titan coming after the Divinity machine is pretty easy to reconcile, it's one of the least muddy elements of the lore tbh.

The only thing difficult to understand would be how it has no crucible on its head.

But the same thing can be said about the OG Icon of Sin

[sonic turret]

Sure but the divinity machine didn't exist as a concept until Doom Eternal dropped. However the Slayer Testament still told the same story.

Since 2016.

[soft turret]

The "crucible is needed" thing was something made up during Eternal.

[faint wagon]

are you all americans?

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-tea-marin-freeman-john-watson-gif-5695621

[soft turret]

Yes. They had a vague idea of a blessing, the Testaments just made it sound like an Angelic arm descended from heaven and blessed him.

[faint wagon]

I'm Hungarian

[sonic turret]

Yeah, he was kinda driven by rage.

[soft turret]

I'm from Spain

[sonic turret]

I want to go to Ozora Festival.

[sonic turret]

I have family in Catalunya.

[forest steeple]

Titans can be killed with not just the crucible, hayden says that but he's wrong lol. Atlans and such can kill titans, it's just that the crucible is a big shortcut

[sonic turret]

I want to go to Nowhere Festival too I Spain.

[soft turret]

That's pretty cool

[sonic turret]

Sure, I mean if Maligog was to step on another titan, I'm pretty sure it's not getting back up.

[soft turret]

I kinda just chucked it up to the Atlan's spear being similar to the Crucible, and that's how they could put them down.

[forest steeple]

Yeah lmao

[soft turret]

insert cartoonish scene where maligog steps on a normal Titan and he lifts his foot up to find the Titan stuck in his foot but alive

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/icon-of-sin-death-doom-eternal-doom-eternal-icon-of-dead-icon-of-dead-icon-of-sin-gif-16820175

[forest steeple]

I think the coin thing that gets sucked into the crucible in eternal gives it titan-sealing properties, but I doubt other argent weapons can do that. The spear kills were probably just a result of a long battle (which seemed to have also decommissioned the atlans).

[sonic turret]

The statues kinda gave me the impression of a nuclear weapon going off and freezing the titans and Atlans in stasis.

[forest steeple]

I have this little headcanon that the crucible can seal off any beings, so if the slayer wanted to he could have stabbed it into a zombie and removed the hilt to seal it off.. Which wouldn't be very smart but cool to think about

[sonic turret]

Fossilising them.

[stone jay]

i feel like a perfect horde mode could be made from this game in the sense of the doom slayer gets trapped in hell between the end of this game and doom 2016, horde mode of him just killing demons forever !

[sonic turret]

What do you mean by "seal"?

[forest steeple]

That's what the crucible does, stab it into a titan, remove the hilt, the titan then gets enveloped in blue cracks and is sealed off. This happens both with the Dreadnought in taras nabad and the icon of sin

[sonic turret]

Hmm

I mean I've heard the term in RPG games, but I'd ever given it much thought in Doom.

[hardy sail]

hey guys i'm kinda interested how the shield in DOOM the dark ages will work

[hard thistle]

Chainsaw

[forest steeple]

You can block attacks, you can parry attacks, you can throw it like captain america, you can charge/dash with it and you can ground slam. That's all we've seen so far

There also might be a way to rev it, but that might just be a pick up animation

[hard thistle]

Wait what if the collectable toys in doom are like little wood carved toys of the demons

Well in dark ages Ofc

[soft turret]

Making the shield throwable is such a goated idea

[hard thistle]

Real

[forest steeple]

Seems like a hobby the slayer would engage in in his free time

[soft turret]

The Slayer just like us fr

[hard thistle]

Yeah

[hard thistle]

Frfr

[forest steeple]

I mean literally lol, he got the comic books, toy collection and gaming pc with shotgun and daisy pics on it

[soft turret]

Do y'all think he sits down and plays other famous FPS games

[sage fog]

I really hope this game doesn't go for the "gamey" and "self aware" shit Eternal did

[crude hatch]

What do you mean?

[sage fog]

Floating bright pickups and the like

[crude hatch]

Oh I see, that’s fair

[sage fog]

And I'm not talking about the powerups, those are fine

[crude hatch]

I personally like it but I understand if others don’t

[sage fog]

The green floating weapons are so ugly, genuinely who thought that was a good idea

[forest steeple]

And also a rock for punching and nunchucks, cause why the fuck shouldn't he have nunchucks

[sage fog]

The game somehow looks less put together than classic doom at times due to the heavy constrant of the eviroment, enemies and pickups

[soft turret]

Eternal would have been perfect for me if it looked more like 2016.

[sage fog]

It confused being retro with being childish and gamey, the OG doom was neither, it was just colorful

[hardy sail]

Nice but mechanics are important like are we going to need to regenerate it if yes than how

[forest steeple]

Well the high contrast has a functional purpose

[sage fog]

and you can do high contrast without butchering the art direction and style of the game

[forest steeple]

We'll have to wait for more info on the game for that one

[sage fog]

Doom 2016 used color coding in a very nice way for example

[flat quail]

What gauge is the super shotgun shells?

[sage fog]

It looked atmospheric, immersive, put together and easy to understand, never getting in the way of gameplay

meanwhile here is Doom Eternal, doing silly cartoon bird noises with full on rotating stars above enemy heads.

[vapid lodge]

All you do is complain

Stop whining... the game is the way it is for very good reasons. Not just to make it flashy

[forest steeple]

Well eternal wasn't 2016, it was just a cartoonish asthetic the game went for. TDA should have a more cinematic and serious feel apparently so we'll see

[forest steeple]

4 gauge

[sage fog]

I can be critical of a game franchise I love, sorry that you can't handle that ig

[soft turret]

The cartoony stars above the head is definitely dumb, it wasn't even there at launch lol

It was added after TAG 2

[vapid lodge]

I can handle whatever you throw at me, I dont care what it is.

The problem with people that complain about new game mechanics are the same people that complain that a game never changes from a version to another

[sage fog]

If they wanted to make a new commander keen then they should have just made that instead of doing silly out of nowhere stuff in doom lol

[sage fog]

Who is talking about mechanics? I'm talking about art direction and aesthetic. Did you not read anything I said?

[hard thistle]

Wait I wonder what the multiplayer is gonna be like in this new doom game

[hardy sail]

Yea the DOOM 2016 had a horror atmosphere and eternal was more cartoony but both of the games are good

[crude hatch]

Hopefully non existent

[forest steeple]

Hopefully nonexistent

[sage fog]

hopefully co-op

[crude hatch]

Dude 😤, connecting brainwaves n shit

[soft turret]

One can criticize something they love, PAS is in his right to criticize the artstyle of the game.

[forest steeple]

Great minds think alike

[sage fog]

DOOM 2016 had great MP it just needed to get rid of loadouts and instead go full on arena

[soft turret]

Chill out bro

[hardy sail]

hopefully not like eternal

[soft turret]

Oh lawd he typing a long one

[sage fog]

I was so excited for Invasions, waited 2 years to be told "yeah sorry guys we aint doing it lol"

[vapid lodge]

Its the same thing, its about change

For example for Low ammo - people kept crying over and over about this low ammo thing because Eternal introduced resource management and could not figure it out or didnt want to improve

Same for colors in Eternal, you are literally flying and running and dashing so much, even with meathook that you have to have an eagle eye for everything that moves, a single fraction of a second can decide your fate.

So in high speeds, its crucial that you find ammo(from barrels or remaning ammo on the ground) when you are low or you want to replinish fast

Thats why Hugo said you are in a F22 in Eternal - you have to see everything on your dashboard

[sage fog]

No, mechanics are not the same thing as art direction

[vapid lodge]

you didnt even read bro

[sage fog]

Yeah because you are talking about gameplay, which I'm not

[vapid lodge]

iq of a phone number extension...

[sage fog]

Phone number extensions go up to 4 digits where I live in, so thank you

[vapid lodge]

yeah and it starts with 000x

[sage fog]

actually it starts with 55

[vapid lodge]

its ok bro, not everybody need to know how to read

[crude hatch]

Lmao

[forest steeple]

Jesus you gotta chill man, they don't like the cartoonish asthetic of the game that's it, just get over it and leave it be

[vapid lodge]

yeah man but im saying its for a reason, it helps in battle

[sage fog]

It really doesn't tho

[soft turret]

You're cooking yourself brother, phone extensions start with a different number depending on the country.

[vapid lodge]

fair nuff

[crude hatch]

@sage fog tho some maps are utterly gorgeous

Urdak and Exultia are amazing

[sage fog]

They are, but like, being in a bright white and yellow map as I'm attacked by bright blue flames, bright red enemies, bright green enemies, as projectiles of every color fly around, it just hurts my eyes

[forest steeple]

I could stare at the Atlantica environments for hours lol

[hard thistle]

Doom is my therapy

[soft turret]

I would have honestly loved Eternal even more if it looked more like 2016

[crude hatch]

God they’re amazing

[crude hatch]

I suppose that’s fair, tho I do think there may be menu options to negate some of that stuff

[sage fog]

2016 has the best art direction in the whole franchise, it's still gorgeous

The 4th level with the melting foundry

[hard thistle]

Thank god 2016 doom wasn’t a fallout 4 tbh no offence but still

[sage fog]

it's so fucking pretty

[sage fog]

Fallout 4 has such ugly lighting

[hardy sail]

in the trailer it looks like the atmosphere of this game was more like DOOM 2016

[sage fog]

I remember that, in the Quakecon demo too, the entire marketing really

except the weird christian rap TV spot one

[soft turret]

Rap for a doom trailer is so dumb

[fleet spruce]

tv spot was so embarrassing

[soft turret]

Wasn't even good rap, they picked some mid nobody

[forest steeple]

Oh great, I had purged that shit from my memory..

[sage fog]

They should have gone with like, Metallica or something

[crude hatch]

Nine inch nails

[sage fog]

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/1/12/Foundry_smelting_pits.jpg/800px-Foundry_smelting_pits.jpg

[hardy sail]

i wasn't on the quakecon bc i couldn't go there, so i don't know evrything it was going there

[sage fog]

I watched it live via the official stream, the game was overall much darker and atmospheric

[soft turret]

Oh yeah, the 2018 quakecon showcase

[sage fog]

probs one of my favorite levels, great level design, world building, and aesthetic

[hardy sail]

is that a screenshot of a second level from DOOM 2016 or other bethesda game?

[sage fog]

But yeah I hope this game goes for the less cartoony "look im a silly videogame!" stuff and goes back to being immersive

[sage fog]

2016 4th level

or 3rd if you don't count the tutorial

[hardy sail]

oh yea forgot the second level was outside on mars

[sage fog]

Honestly going back to the multiplayer comment, this is the perfect game to have 4 player co-op arenas with players competing to see who gets the most kills

[hardy sail]

Yea or a PvP mode like in DOOM 2016

[sage fog]

I'd love arena PVP, but honestly, I'd rather leave that kinda PvP for Quake

[forest steeple]

It's a shame 2016 has so little environment variation, especially after you see It's multiplayer maps, shit has the coolest environments that had my lore brain all overwhelmed

[sage fog]

And I really hope this game leads us into a Quake reboot

[sage fog]

There was plenty of variation tbh, not much in colors, but plenty in where you were

in the UAC levels, everywhere we went, you could feel and see that that used to be a functional workplace

Hell wise, we got floating lands taken from other worlds and parts that were (before being retconned to being Sentinel built) once inhabited by the smarter demons before Slayer ravaged the place

[forest steeple]

Yeah but they all looked the same, orange mars surface, gray uac facility, piss yellow/red hell. The only exception being vega core with all that ice, probably my favorite looking level in 2016

[hardy sail]

I hope there will be new opponents(Demons) in this new game

[forest steeple]

Imo most levels in 2016 blend together

[sage fog]

True but the color direction helped sell the lifeless and dire situation it was in

UAC being all gray for the most part fit it, it's a souless corporation

mars being orange, well, it's mars

Hell looked good in the later levels, but the first level looked a bit boring

[forest steeple]

It does fit, after all not much you can do with the environments considering where the game takes place. Just that in my eyes after seeing all the various locations in eternal it makes 2016's environment kinda boring

[sage fog]

Eternal spent too much time in overgrown sentinel castles imo

[forest steeple]

Oh boy then you won't like TDA

[hardy sail]

the designe of the keys and levels and demons are so good that demons were blending with this designe (In doom 2016)

[sage fog]

So many places to explore! ....and half of it is in Sentinel land, not, y'know, in the ruins of Earth that is being invaded by Demons

[sage fog]

My problem is not that there is Sentinel land, my problem is that Earth is being invaded and barely any levels do we actually get to be there on Earth fighting Hell

it's like, what, 4 levels out of 12 that we go on Earth in the game where we are meant to be saving it?

[hardy sail]

i hope that This new DOOM game will be not too long but not too short

[forest steeple]

Well okay there are 3 levels in Argent D'nur, half of exultia is in hell, and you walk right through sentinel prime, so taras nabad is really the only one.
And you get hell on earth, super gore nest, arc complex and final sin. Each have their own visual of hellified earth and I don't know what else they could have done on earth before it got boring

[sage fog]

I honestly count half the Hell levels as Sentinel Land, you probs know why

[sage fog]

Could have had us fighting in the streets to save groups of people and the like

The game makes it pretty clear humans formed settlements and we don't go to any of em (unless you count the UAC as one)

[forest steeple]

Yeah I agree with that, I wanted to see some desperate survivors. Instead humans barely appear and when they do it's uac scientists safely in their facilities

[sage fog]

That's another problem with Eternal, like

It's the new take on Hell on Earth, but Hell on Earth takes a back seat to build up Sentinel stuff

Sentinel stuff, their world, which for all we knew, was just the last of the MANY worlds tried Slayer had saving before being trapped

it kinda made everything feel smaller too, in 2016 they made it sound like Slayer had been protecting multiple worlds from Hell, in Eternal, they go "it was actually only Sentinel Prime lol"

Yeah if it wasn't obvious I don't much like the lore in Eternal either

[forest steeple]

I didn't get the impression of that at all, the slayer lore in 2016 was very vague and all I got from it was that he was some mighty warrior for these night sentinels and maybe some implications he might be the original doomguy

[empty furnace]

i just got back into doom 2016, its definetly harder than doom eternal

[sonic turret]

Is one world not enough? The world is a big place.

[sage fog]

Champions and 2016 made it sounds more or less like this:
"The Marine from the classic games became Hell's bane, protecting every world and reality from Hell, his fight against hell so fierce that the heavens themselves blessed him with more power, but he failed to save the Sentinel world, and in trying to avenge it, he got trapped"

Then Eternal it's like
"You are Marine from the classic games, after doom 64, you are captured by the Sentinels and made into their slave, after that you are gain your freedom and become a leader because they start respecting you, then they drop a temple on you because some of them want to side with hell"

[forest steeple]

Again, I didn't get that first part from 2016 at all

[sonic turret]

I mean he's fighting against hell, so he's cutting the head off at the source, rather than to go galavanting around the universe, planet-hopping.

[sage fog]

Lemme get the lore entries that imply the 2016 parts real quick
Also Champions straight up confirmed he was Doom guy way before Eternal

[sonic turret]

If there's only one Hell, it's easier to keep his Slaying localised to the point of origin.

[crude hatch]

Yeah he moves through hell’s leaders

[forest steeple]

Champions? As in quake champions? That game isn't canon

[sage fog]

The lore entries for Slayer were lol

The scribes carved his name deep in the tablets of Hell across eons, and each battle etched terror in the hearts of the demons. They knew he would come, as he always had, as he always will, to feast on the blood of the wicked.

And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time

These 2 passages are vague but their implications are very clear

He had been in Hell for a long, long time, the "worlds and time" combined with the fact he was always intended to be the OG Doomguy makes it clear he was travelling throught many worlds AND Earths while fighting Hell

there are from 2016

lemme go check Chapmions rq

Champions's lore is the Slayer's testaments, acquiring all gives you his classic outfit and says that he lost Daisy, confirming he was Doom Guy way way before Eternal, hell this was the main argument people had before Eternal came out, the whole "Betrayer vs Doom guy" stuff

[forest steeple]

Yeah I don't doubt him being classic doomguy from the start.
I still don't get how it was implied he was a protector of worlds, worlds could just mean his classic earth, doom 3 earth, Argent D'Nur and all the planets the sentinels colonized

[sage fog]

People would get HEATED over Slayer being Guy or the Betrayer, shit was crazy

[sonic turret]

I mean he had the Fortress of Doom, so he was probably watching over several systems.

From outer space.

And dropping in as and when necessary.

[sage fog]

It's less implied and more of downright said in those quotes from the testaments, you can even fit the Hell Ages into this, the First Age being the first few games, after Slayer killed the Masterminds and the Mother Demon, Hell entered a second age since it was now leaderless and Slayer was ravaging it, which then ended with them trapping Slayer, Hell, now weakened, tries invading worlds again in it's third Age(Doom 3), but is defeated by their own variants of Slayer, who themselves find scriptures and carvings depicting Slayer in hell. Then we enter the 4th Age with 2016

[forest steeple]

Well yeah, I don't see how eternal retconned this, just added a bunch of stuff about the sentinels in between

[sage fog]

It made everything inbtw be about the Sentinels

The Sentinels are no longer a small part of Slayer's journey

They are 80% of it, including the source of his power

[forest steeple]

Oh and you don't like that

[placid saffron]

well, technically you can completely omit the sentinels from that

[sage fog]

Ehh, it's their tech(kinda) and he only got it because of them

[gusty moth]

!rank

[placid saffron]

the divinity machine is pretty clearly makyr tech

[sage fog]

Nope, made him go from the one that could stand against hell on his own to just an insane man injecting with super soldier serum

[sage fog]

yeah but the sentinels built it for em and it was used by them to "ascend" to urdak or something

we know that last part is bs and they were actually just being transformed into soul energy

and hayden just transferred a bunch of it into us

[placid saffron]

no it was made by the makyrs aswell, being described as "a great tribute"

[sage fog]

Yeah I just reread the lore, it's still in their possession tho

And speaking of the Maykrs, man, what a poor addition to the lore, heaven shoud have just stayed as a divine mostly neutral faction staying outside of all of this

[placid saffron]

yeah but the sentinels are basically makyr puppets anyways so

[sage fog]

and not be made into hell 2.0

[placid saffron]

ok but that isn't nearly as badass as evil angels that are there because here lucifer's rebellion succeeded

[sage fog]

so cool that the game about fighting hell on earth sidelines earth for space knights and sidelines hell for robot angels

[placid saffron]

"sidelines"

[sage fog]

Doom slayer being blessed by Heaven is infinitely cooler than a robot injecting him with steroids

[placid saffron]

...he's literally both

[sage fog]

It's not, the former is how the Sentinels see it because they are puppets, the later is what actually happened

[placid saffron]

also "blessed by heaven" and it's just the vaguest statement is the lamest shit ever

[elder radish]

doom

[sage fog]

Also, Eternal retcons itself cuz someone on the lore side didn't know what Seraphim meant

[forest steeple]

Is it cooler to think he was juiced with lucifer's dick in his ass instead.. Cause that's a plausible theory

[plain moon]

Doom

[placid saffron]

i'd take "agent of heaven directly blesses doomguy with superpowers from their former couped god" over it any day

[sage fog]

Seraphim is a group of Seraphs, not an invidual Seraph

[placid saffron]

i'm all for bashing tag2 lore but that's hyperfixating over a typo

[sage fog]

it ain't a typo

[soft turret]

It's really not that deep

[elder radish]

doom x goat simulator

[sage fog]

2016 basically says the angels blessed him, but whoever was in charge of Eternal thought Seraphim meant only one angel lol

[plain moon]

Goat Slayer

[sage fog]

it's a whole different meaning

[elder radish]

goat simulator music plays while murdering many demons

[sage fog]

Robots that pretend to be angels are far lamer than real angels

[soft turret]

They're not pretending

[elder radish]

what if doom guy was a little freaky

[soft turret]

They quite literally are in their cosmology

[placid saffron]

Vegafather could have commanded samur to bless him, which would still make it plural. The sentinels still saw it as a gift from the makyr singularity mind, which would still make it plural

[sage fog]

They are, they aren't angels, they aren't gods either, they say Urdak is an after life, but it's also not

[placid saffron]

they aren't merely pretending to be "real angels", they are literally more angel then the ones from the bible

[soft turret]

And the maykrs are bio-mechanical, not completely robotic

[sage fog]

They are Robots that leech off less civilized worlds by pretending to be their gods

[placid saffron]

earth's christianity is literally described as being based off of makyr lore

[soft turret]

They are Angels, that's how they were created lol

[placid saffron]

so yeah theya re actually more angel then "real angels"

[sage fog]

Which makes no sense if you are to look at the fact Slayer's original Earth predates all of this and the Maykrs only learned of Hell and what it meant via Slayer

[soft turret]

Just because they don't fit ur abrahamic copypasta idea of angels does not make them not angels

[plain moon]

Doom Slayer vs biblically accurate angles would go hard ngl

[placid saffron]

iirc there is no proof christianity exists in the OG world
Also, vegafather knew of hell

[forest steeple]

How does classic earth predate the maykrs in any way?

[soft turret]

The Father knew of Hell, the Maykrs who did not know about Hell were the ones many generations after him.

[sage fog]

Aka the ones in the game

[sage fog]

Baphomet

[soft turret]

So how does that change anything

[placid saffron]

Vegafather could likely have purged the information from the hivemind, or hell maybe urdak did know of hell but played dumb for the sentinel's their trust

They only started directing hell's swarms towards other worlds after vegafather left them too, leaving them without a supply of vaguely defined "makyr power"

[sage fog]

Meant the whole religion shit

[placid saffron]

is he called that ingame though by ingame narrators

[sage fog]

They stole it from Slayer's description of hell

[sage fog]

there are no ingame narrators in DOOM 1-64 lol

there are manuals and dev comments ig

[placid saffron]

precisely, so technically you can neither confirm nor deny the existence of christianity in the ingame universe

[placid saffron]

you know urdak and the makyr's coup predates earth right. And the whole religion stuff also

the makyrs didn't have a direct worship line to earth either so that could also explain why they didn't care for the OG doom world's invasion

[placid saffron]

plus it was also most likely one of the very first invasions of hell, like at all

[plain moon]

Just trying to make sure of something, the earth and mars of OG Doom is in another Universe from the one in 2016 and Eternal, right?

[placid saffron]

yes

[soft turret]

Christianity existing means nothing in the end, could just be a cosmic coincidence

[plain moon]

Just making sure cause from what I know, the Maykers and Sentinels were already aware of both planets and even had settlements on them.

[soft turret]

Hell and Heaven are so common in human mythologies it is not even funny

[placid saffron]

no in doom it is explicitly called out as "most likely" (read: most definitely) having a link

This is Urdak, the home world of the Maykrs. A brief age analysis of the structures and architecture here indicates that this world is older than any other in our database. Similarities can also be drawn to multiple pan-galactic religions, indicating that the Maykr's influence was not limited to Argent D'Nur, and that over eons their influence has spread across the galaxy, and potentially the universe. Some imagery is akin to religious icons in the Orion-Cygnus arm of the Milky Way, an area which includes Earth. The name Urdak is common tongue in the Maykr language, but can be approximately translated to the word for Paradise or Heaven in hundreds of different languages, further cementing the theory that the Maykrs have had a religious impact on mortal beings for millions of years.

[soft turret]

Oh! I remember reading that

Didn't remember Earth being mentioned tho

[placid saffron]

tbf even if it didn't mention earth, specifically, you can still make some pretty clear links with the fact that there are sentinel structures on mars, remnants on earth, and we look so alike

[forest steeple]

I do wonder who Jesus is in the doom universe, was he just a dude? Was he like a samur situation? Was there a maykr called Jesur?

[plain moon]

I wonder if the lovecraftion creatures from Quake could make an appearance in Doom

[placid saffron]

i'm assuming he was just a guy claiming to be the messiah, but most likely we are never going to have a statement about jesus in doom

[forest steeple]

I remember hugo implying at some point he views the slayer as the second coming of christ or something

[soft turret]

The most likely thing is that Judaism is just one of the many faiths the Maykrs inspired, and Jesus is just a guy claiming to be the Messiah of the Jews

[placid saffron]

yeah hugo likes saying some stuff, idk hard to take everything as 100% fact if you staunchly remember 2 blunders

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/life-of-brian-gif-11561512

[sage fog]

had to do some stuff

[soft turret]

Doubt he actually has any connection to the Maykrs or Vega lol

[sage fog]

as of eternal, we already have the son of god made in his image lmaoooooo

god eternal's lore is shit

[placid saffron]

who then?

[soft turret]

Eternal would not benefit from Jesus being important at all

[placid saffron]

cause after the tag2 rushing, there is literally no link between why davoth and doomguy look the same

[sage fog]

the manuals call it of it tho

[sage fog]

Slayer

[sage fog]

Well yeah the writing sucks

[placid saffron]

ok and do the manuals call upon any inworld references or do they simply refer to terms we humans from this world understand

[forest steeple]

You should read my pregnant mother doomguy theory (fanic) that'll clear things up

[soft turret]

Only explanation they can come up with is "the divinity machine made doomguy in davoth's likeness"

Aka change his face

[crude hatch]

The demons did a little trolling

[placid saffron]

"somehow throughout time"

[sage fog]

Though the invasion had been stopped, and the remaining demons were gradually being exterminated by mopping-up squads, it was clear that the powers of Hell remained strong. While the Spider Mastermind and Baphomet seemed to no longer threaten, who knew what else lay Outside? Waiting. Watching. Preparing.

[soft turret]

I just imagined it remodelling his face instantly because

[placid saffron]

that's the reason that theory is debunked, doomguy looked like davoth before he went in the divinity machine

[soft turret]

That was a theory?

[placid saffron]

"doomguy looks like davoth because of the divinity machine" is most definitely a theory yes

[soft turret]

Damn we might have to just chuck it up to "Doomguy really just him"

[sonic turret]

Yeah, it was kind of strange. I think it's more thales case that Davoth looks like Doomguy than the other way around.

[sage fog]

it is definitely a theory, a shitty one too

[placid saffron]

but we see in tag2 art from during the coup that he looks like doomguy though

[crude hatch]

Pretty sure he did it to just piss off the slayer

[sage fog]

Slayer's face is a (poor) recreation of the classic Face

[placid saffron]

which is set a somethingilion years before the games

[sage fog]

Vega's narration makes no fucking sense

"he is you in their world" fuck off this makes no sense

[placid saffron]

because of tag2 deadlines they had to rush the story yeah

[sage fog]

hate the sci-fi wannabe warhammer """"hell"""" that Eternal embraced

[crude hatch]

I can’t fault the storyline of tag2

[crude hatch]

Dude calm down lmao that’s way too harsh

[soft turret]

It really ain't that deep

[cyan lotus]

tag2 story: 😢
tag2 gameplay: 😛

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I always think of it Like Gozer in Ghost busters "Choose the form of your destruction", and it just so happened that the first thing the Slayer though of was himself.

[sage fog]

It ain't but it still bothers me

[crude hatch]

Also aren’t 2016’s and eternal’s hell basically the same?

[placid saffron]

i mean, you definitely can. They could have decided "well, there is no way we can make something well to cap of killing LITERAL GOD-STATAN in doom, guess we will just add a little filler arc so we can make something real after-"

[placid saffron]

all hells, even doom3's, are the same hell

[crude hatch]

Ah

[sage fog]

Lore wise as of Eternal, yes, Artistically and writing wise, no

[soft turret]

The best thing TAG 2 could have done is stick to TAG 1's lore

[sage fog]

it didn't, which is weird

[crude hatch]

I think they really didn’t wanna keep people waiting

[neon perch]

haha super shotgun go boom.

[placid saffron]

honestly, i do kind of prefer the idea of "satan is god in a universe where lucifer's coup succeeded" over whatever "he si you, in their world" could be

[sage fog]

they changed the lore direction 3 times, we had 2 "I am actually god" moments within 1 game from 2 different characters from 2 different factions, both framed as huge revelations

even if we all disagree on what we find cool and what the lore should be, there is no denying that the writing was a mess and pretty clearly kept changing directions

[soft turret]

Well, TAG 1 had the whole concept of lesser gods called Primevals, and the Slayer seemed to be one of them.

[placid saffron]

making the slayer "a god actually" would be fucking dogshit

[hard thistle]

This is from The Plutonia Experiment, which was not written by id Software, so it is irrelevant to the lore of the modern games.

[placid saffron]

doomguy is a regular human that just got slightly enhanced by the divinity machine, that's it

[soft turret]

Artificially made by the divinity machine

[sage fog]

Final Doom manual yeah

[hard thistle]

Yes.

[soft turret]

Sounds abt as plausible as whatever TAG 2 has going on

[placid saffron]

yeah but if you can just create gods all willy nilly what's really the point you know

[sage fog]

Also I'm pretty sure Martin said this was canon

[sonic turret]

Maybe all the primevals have a similar human form.

Humanoid*

[sage fog]

not directly, but with his whole "yeah everything is canon" shit

[neon perch]

I was never happy with the direction the new games took. the sentinels in 2016 were already very out of place and I wasn't at all keen on the idea of the guy being an omnipotent ancient warrior hellwalking dimension hopper. it felt like an over-engrossing of the source material with very little substance to it beyond 'haha main character stronk'.

[soft turret]

The bit where Davoth's power was used for it could still apply, invalidating this

[placid saffron]

doomguy still looked somehow like that before any godly connection was made though

[placid saffron]

well no not really because you could still just create gods

[soft turret]

How?

[neon perch]

I sometimes long for the times Doom's plot and overarching story could fit on a bar napkin.

[sage fog]

I can't wait for the twist in Doom 6 where it's revealed there is another actual god in another actual heaven and he planned this all along because he likes watching people fight and we need to kill him to free the universe

[soft turret]

TAG 1 to me seems more sensical because it is just the average Lucifer falls story

[placid saffron]

by using another god, and the only thing that primevals really get is "only a primeval can kill another primeval" becomes kinda mood

[soft turret]

Davoth merked all other primevals tho

[sage fog]

2016's was so good cuz it could fit into that too

[placid saffron]

...sadly that does seem where the story is going to head with the mysterious voice that screened "nooo" after the kahn died, being changed to davoth after tag1 (because of original story direction) back to "we don't know guys!!! stay tuned!!"

[neon perch]

Yeah and then I'd blow my nose with it.

[soft turret]

In TAG 1, at least

[neon perch]

2016's story existed. that's about it.

[sage fog]

TAG 1 should have had Samuel trying to betray you and Vega for power

[placid saffron]

okok but "lucifer's rebelion actually succeeded" is a really unique subversion

[sage fog]

Yeah, like the other 4 games before it?

[hard thistle]

This part is vague. There are other Primeval Life Spheres in Ingmore's Sanctum, for example. The vagueness surrounding the term "Primeval" means it's unclear if this is a species or a title. If it's a species, Davoth is the only one. If it's a title, the Slayer and the Father would also be Primevals.

[hard thistle]

Doom 3's story was actually very in-depth and had arguably more lore text and backstory than any of the other games, at least when you measure by amount of entries and content per entry.

[sage fog]

less of a subversion, more of a last second retcon, Lucifer was going to be Hayden originally from all that we got to see and told from base Eternal, but they changed that to make him a misguided good guy still serving Father (which makes no sense considering his actions in 2016)

[soft turret]

It is unique, but is it really better? At least how it was executed?

[cyan lotus]

those teeny tiny life spheres always peaked my interest

[sage fog]

I love Doom 3 and I love that 2016 can work just fine as an indirect sequel to it by exploring the Doom Guy carving we find in Doom 3

[placid saffron]

that's why i go by the meta explanation of "primeval has become a random buzzword the devs now use for 3 different things because of tag2 rushing"

[hard thistle]

Eternal implied Hayden was the Seraphim long before TAG came out though.

[soft turret]

Doesn't the Book of Seraphs imply there were lesser gods going by that title?

[frigid totem]

Is he chat's lore-master

[frosty spear]

Wouldn’t it be awesome if they added a Colosseum cheat code to Dark Ages that adds chanting and cheering to your gameplay, like an audience of sentinel townsfolk were cheering you on depending on how you fight!!!

[placid saffron]

look any story was going to go to shit in the tag2 rush lets be real

[hard thistle]

The Seraphim blatantly had Samuel's voice and he quotes Samuel's "Take it" line verbatim in the Divinity Machine scene.

[sonic turret]

I always ponder what would've happened had the Slayer destroyed Davoth's lifesphere and retained The Father's.

[cyan lotus]

quakecon cheat code

[sage fog]

Yeah but the implications alongside his actions from base Eternal made it sound like he was gonna betray us to take over as God, but that seems to have been dropped

[frosty spear]

Exactly

[frigid totem]

Some people connected the dots as soon as the trailers came out, good times

[sonic turret]

They could've had an alternative DLC exploring this.

[sage fog]

People insulted me back in the day for saying the voice in the trailer was Hayden, I was right

[placid saffron]

just like how the pieces of vegafathers life sphere dropped

[frigid totem]

(Not dlc trailer i mean ofc)

[hard thistle]

I wouldn't really say this as if it's something the game objectively did. I never got this vibe from the base game.

[placid saffron]

😭 they literally where listed under the same voice actor

[sage fog]

in 2016 he leaves Vega for death

[snow nova]

And you may be right. But we can't just shut It all down

[hard thistle]

Yes, because VEGA was not the entire Father. Killing VEGA was a necessary risk and would not have killed the Father.

[frigid totem]

Happens all the time though, but mostly extending those actor's talents to side characters rather than main. Still, worth of note imo

[sage fog]

Of course, with all the current lore, that all just results in Hayden being a character that is poorly written

[neon perch]

the other games didn't have a starting cutscene that communicated to the player 'we don't do story around here' then proceeded to lock the player in place several times throughout the campaign to force them to listen to the story they supposedly aren't meant to care about.

[placid saffron]

tbf hayden never has a true moment to get on top really. Leaves vega for dead? oh no doomguy saves him. Get the lifesphere back and take over? oh no doomguy breaks it in my face

[frigid totem]

Dude was backed up anyway

[hard thistle]

VEGA is not the entirety of the Father. It is specifically the Father's consciousness, likely a copy of it at that. Had VEGA been killed, Samur still could have revived the Father by doing exactly what he asks the Slayer to do in TAG1.

[snow nova]

They killed Vega so that he could let doomguy kill the spider mastermind right?

[frigid totem]

They needed to open a portal yes

[hard thistle]

Samuel's plan was to overload VEGA so the resulting explosion would propel the Slayer to Hell.

[snow nova]

I love your point

[sage fog]

But 2016 didn't do that? That's a mischaracterization of the intro lol, it's not a "I don't care about the story", it's Slayer being mad that Hayden is trying to find excuses to fix the shit he started, that's the whole point lol

he is mad at the situation, not being "le funny idc about story!!"

[frigid totem]

Good one, PAS.

[neon perch]

It's disingenuous to pretend that it wasn't the point. the entirety of the marketing and attitude the game exudes is 'go kill shit' but will not hesitate to stop you dead in your tracks a minute later.

[snow nova]

But why ? He knew doomguy would kill everything, including the production of argent energy. He's got some against hell, but it is because hell exists that Hayden can pursue his argent energy extraction

[neon perch]

it's either you shove your B-tier plot in my face or you don't, don't half-heart it then expect me to be fine with it just because the sequel shits the bed.

[hard thistle]

Yeah Doom 2016 never tells you not to care about the story lmao, I have no clue why fans keep saying this. It tells you not to care about Hayden's justification of his actions. The intro has the Slayer fly into a rage because Hayden has the gall to tell him all this is justified while he's standing next to an innocent person's corpse.

[soft turret]

It's a double entendre

[sage fog]

They let Youtuber Video essays dictate their thoughts

[hard thistle]

Just because you have interpreted 2016 as uncaring about its story does not mean that it is - it just means that's what you got out of it.

[soft turret]

Both for the slayer not caring about the excuse and the game not caring about the story as much as the gameplay

[snow nova]

Hayden never really cared about humanity (i think)

[frigid totem]

Hayden was desparate just to end the invasion, and that was far past the Slayer smashing down the Argent Energy converters, and the Tower.

[sage fog]

It's why this fanbase thought Slayer was the Betrayer after all, Youtube Video Essays

[neon perch]

Oh so now it's deeper than I think? lol.

[sage fog]

Yes actually

[hard thistle]

Okay, I want you to go back and read that message and I want you to try responding to me with a message that isn't arrogant and whiny. Go ahead.

[neon perch]

My bad, I couldn't read into the 'it's what you make of it' genius writing of 'please don't destroy my filters'.

[snow nova]

Perhaps he changed his mind?

[abstract barn]

technically it is but you dont have to care about it

[hard thistle]

You can do it, I believe in you bud. Go back, try again, this time don't sound like a Redditor.

[abstract barn]

2016 and especially eternal are not exactly the greatest storytelling ever

[snow nova]

And his interest thus headed to argent energy?

[placid saffron]

wrong! eternal lets me skip cutscenes, that's the best form of storytelling

[neon perch]

That's the thing. I'm forced to do it whether I want to in 2016 because the game goes out of its way to lock you in place to hear some shitty interaction play out.

[sage fog]

2016 had pretty good enviromental and written storytelling, the story already happened, we play through the aftermath

[snow nova]

Can't wait for dark ages

[frigid totem]

2016 had quite a bit of depth as to what direction they were thinking of taking the story. Mainly the Multiplayer stuff and concept art or some mystifying audio files really gives you a feel.

[neon perch]

the only thing you're meant to gather from those sequences is someone literally spoonfeeding you info.

[snow nova]

The multiplayer one was as good as in Halo infinite imo

[hard thistle]

Yeah this is putting words in my mouth, you are making up something I said rather than responding to what the actual message stated. The point is not "Doom 2016 had genius deep writing." The point is "Doom 2016 had writing and cared about this writing and you are making up this whole narrative that it didn't."

[abstract barn]

doesnt that happen like once or twice? in a multiple hour game?

its not the end of the world

[sage fog]

The entire filter thing happens in a single mission

[neon perch]

Let's agree to disagree then: Doom 2016's story sucked, Eternal's story sucks, Doom 64 has the best story.

[frigid totem]

Lmao wow.

[hard thistle]

Yeah again I'm not really arguing about the quality of the story. I'm arguing against the idea that "Doom 2016 wants you to not care about the story."

[snow nova]

And doomguy doing the complete opposite thing Hayden tells him to do is the most doomguy thing ever

[hard thistle]

That's completely made up and never something Doom 2016 does.

[plain moon]

Doom 2016 had an amazing story

[snow nova]

But in eternal you could learn more about legends

[sage fog]

it served 3 purposes, show that Guy HATES anythign hell, that he doesn't trust anything UAC, and is kinda funny

[snow nova]

Yup

[sage fog]

Misinformation spread by video essays

[neon perch]

You seem very preoccupied with what other people say about it.

[hard thistle]

Literally a constant thing with Doom. If it's not this, it's the Slayer soloing the universe or it's every WAD being canon or it's some other shit like that.

[sage fog]

Why are you replying to me and not the guy talking to you

[snow nova]

Doomguy has a twisted sense of humor which keeps his humanity

[plain moon]

Doom TDA is gonna have an amazing story IMO cause it’s we’ll actually be playing through the story told in the Slayer testaments and Eternal codex entries

[snow nova]

Fr I'm so hype

[neon gust]

that is true. however it is funny to watch the Slayer only listen to Samuel Hayden half the time and just beat the fuck out of those Argent energy filters

[vapid lodge]

Cool thing about TDA, Hugo said they finally were able to do what they wanted to BEFORE 2016 ❤️

[placid saffron]

opbv doomguy is a multiversal hyperspedial superomegapowered godobliterating indivual!!! It's right here in my (incorrect lore) and (out of context codex entries)

[neon perch]

I'm not replying to anything you say in particular, I'm finding it weird that you care so much about those essays.

[sage fog]

"In the Mind of Doom Slayer" and "DOOM: A Middle Finger to Cinematic Gaming" did irreparable damage to this game

[snow nova]

What does it mean?

[sage fog]

You are replying to me rn

Like if you really don't care why even engage in conversation

[hard thistle]

If the game doesn't have a Daisy Easter egg, I'm not buying it.

My opinion is that while the modern Doom games are not necessarily exemplary and shining examples of quality, well-thought-out storytelling, I believe they do the Doom franchise justice and overall have a lot of heart and effort put into them despite a lot of amateur writing mistakes. It is quite a special little universe they've made up and I can't help but like it anyway.

[snow nova]

I want a primitive marauder to kill in tda

[vapid lodge]

most likely advanced stuff in their engine, more demons at the same time, mech, dragons, more open maps

[sage fog]

Do your own thing somewhere else, being in a convo to just be negative and ignore people talking to you is weird

[soft turret]

Like midnight spreading the misinfo that the slayer beat the champion buckass naked with nothing but a sword and fist

[hard thistle]

After all I would not have hyperfixated over Doom's lore for so long if I did not enjoy it.

[sonic turret]

In the new game, you get Daisy the Dragon.

[soft turret]

They would look the same in TDA lol

[frigid totem]

Agaddon hunters seem to be your best friend then.

[snow nova]

More demons = more guts 😻

[hard thistle]

I'm buying it.

[vapid lodge]

[sage fog]

Do you like the Direction Eternal took? I much prefer the one in 2016 (specially cuz it aligns with the old games better)

[placid saffron]

my favorite is when they somehow equate samur "flying over the gears of creation" or something MUST mean he is faster then the speed of light, and because you can see him and battle him during the battle that MUST mean doomguy is somehow faster then light lol

[hard thistle]

My hot take is that I prefer Eternal's direction over 2016's, and I wrote a long post explaining why that I can dig up.

[frigid totem]

Those fellas look really easy to outmaneuver, but idk. The flail might be able to break their shield's block, while other weapons necessarily cant as easily.

[sage fog]

Including both TAGs?

[hard thistle]

Yes.

[sonic turret]

Putting more demons on screen without it crashing, or something like that. They can also fill in the gaps in the narrative and mythos, and perhaps even create some new gaps.

[snow nova]

I thought aggadon hunters had horse like body (a Centaurus maybe)

[neon perch]

How is it weird to just let a conversation lie down?

[plain moon]

Since they said TDA will be more similar to the OG Doom games than the modern ones, the number of enemies on screen at one time will be immense.

[austere flame]

i dont like the shield

[hard thistle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/1b1ifrz/a_reflection_on_doom_eternals_story_and_why_i/
Here's the TLDR:

TL;DR: I think Doom 2016's story is a bit derivative of 3 and plays itself too safe. Eternal is a bit more shoddy with its writing, but I adore its additions to Doom's universe and I think it overall feels more like a passion project for Doom than its predecessor. Eternal feels more authentic.

[sage fog]

It's weird to try to show you are not interested in a convo but then keep engaging in it

[soft turret]

Or the claims some were spreading about jekkad coming into existence literally when davoth stepped into the void

[snow nova]

I just realized.... No doom blade 😭😭😭😭

[sage fog]

I'll give it a read

[neon perch]

... what?
why do you keep trying to scrutinize my interactions with strangers on the internet?

[frigid totem]

They dont, I'd post a ref if I could...

[plain moon]

It didn’t really do much in Eternal though

[frigid totem]

Just a predator ref and to spice some glory kills.

[snow nova]

It did it added variety and I absolutely looooved how juicy blood looked like When you cut through enemies

[plain moon]

TDA is gonna have way more variety

[snow nova]

Yeah to spice indeed

[placid saffron]

tbf we have no idea what the "gears of creation" even really are

[sonic turret]

The things is that he Doom Hunters resembled the Agadon Hunters, but I'm not entirely sure they're exactly the same thing.

[vapid lodge]

i think Midnight said his video that the doom blade served no practical purpose, but for cool animations...

Now the shieldsaw is both cool and practical

[snow nova]

I just hope they'll keep that juicy vibe

[frigid totem]

Mainly the mancubus one where he eats it, and the tyrant overhead ones are my favorite GKs that involve the doom blade

[hard thistle]

Agaddon Hunters are Doom Hunters pre-cybernetic enhancements. They were named this by the Argenta who saw that they resembled the mythical Agaddian giants in Argenta lore.

[placid saffron]

who knows maybe it is a metaphor for his literal feet, i'd certainly like to oil that machine

[snow nova]

I agree

[frigid totem]

Have you never played the game?

[soft turret]

I like to think Davoth is a 900000000 iq genius and he just whipped up some insane tech that can create dimensions

[sonic turret]

Yeah, that's the one, I was trying to remember what you'd written without searching through it.

[snow nova]

Ur right

[vapid lodge]

ofc sir, but can you interact with the blade? practically?

[placid saffron]

well, he did make the makyrs

[sonic turret]

Midnight has no practical purpose.

[vapid lodge]

lmao

[frigid totem]

It only appears in cutscenes and GKs.

[jolly plume]

Oh I didn't even consider that. What the hell would he have instead of a BFG..

[hard thistle]

Personally I am of the opinion that Jekkad existed before Davoth did, and he was borne into it rather than created it.

[vapid lodge]

yeah thats what I meant

[neon perch]

I just remembered 2016's multiplayer maps had Makyr shit in them.

[frigid totem]

🤙

[frigid totem]

Mhmm. Makyrs definitely were gonna be different though

[plain moon]

What I really want though is for the Wretch to drop so cold lines. I still think he’s the voice we heard at the beginning of 2016 when he said the Slayer would be worse than the demons.

[frigid totem]

Smh I really need img perms

[snow nova]

Well it is only stated that doomguy could kill demons with bare hands (he even killed the champion titan Itg only shield and sword in hand) but uses guns cuz he loves them. However it is stated nowhere that the Doom blade has a functional purpose

[frigid totem]

I have some badass concept art I could bust out rn

[vapid lodge]

why do you guys hate on Midnight anyway? i like the dude

[neon perch]

kinda begs the question if they were looking to break into that bit of lore in the main campaign but ran out of time, or had very little idea what to do then.

[empty furnace]

what did he do

[vapid lodge]

nothing as far as i know

[snow nova]

Why does this server not allow pics?

[frigid totem]

What r u yappin about

[soft turret]

I like to believe it was all his genius, just sounds cool idk why

[frigid totem]

Most people are trolls

[vapid lodge]

use paste img or imgur, and then post the link here 🙂

[snow nova]

Is imgur a website?

[vapid lodge]

yeah we still dont know who the "Mysterious voice" is ... or at least i dont know

[neon perch]

I'm just generally unhappy with the direction everything took. from the story, to the environmental design, to the designs of the creatures. I'm on board with the gameplay alone, but sometimes it's hard to withstand, even if they did put their all into both entries.

[vapid lodge]

yes sir

[placid saffron]

well, it was davoth untill tag2 lol

[crude hatch]

Where?

[vapid lodge]

yeah true lol

[frigid totem]

On a unrelated note, Doom Devs need to give the Slayer more feats. He loses in WAAAY too many deathmatches just cause there arent many good examples of his supposed infinite strength.

[hard thistle]

I suspect that much of Doom Eternal's lore was thought of well in advance and that the writers were forced to go with a much more safe story for 2016 due to a lack of faith by executives. You can find evidence that much of TAG's lore was thought of before Eternal even released, for example.

[snow nova]

Some say that it is davoth but according to what he wants it makes no sense

[vapid lodge]

nah Hugo confirmed is not him

[snow nova]

He would instead be glad doomguy killed the Khan cuz he hates the father and Urdak

[jolly plume]

He loves guns because they allow him to do damage from afar or una large area instead of having to go up to each individual demon and beat them to death. It's not really for fun, he just happens to have fun with them

[snow nova]

Ty

[frigid totem]

Then Eternal's story got fucked with because of the stupid ass deluxe edition promising unreasonable release dates

[hard thistle]

Many people just assume that they kept changing Doom's direction with Eternal. I don't believe they did. I believe they had a clear end goal in mind, and it was just muddied by 1) sometimes amateur writing, 2) COVID fucking up how they wanted to tell the story, and 3) the writers attempting to do a cool twist without setting it up properly.

[snow nova]

But in the end he has fun

[plain moon]

I’m more interested in who the voice is at the beginning of 2016 than the mysterious voice in Eternal

[placid saffron]

well yeah because of tag2's rushed lore
the name was literally changed to davoth, stayed there for several updates, but was removed shortly before tag2 because "it was a bug"
bollocks i say

[frigid totem]

COVID definitely harmed the DLC's on top of that too.

[neon perch]

oftentimes it does feel like we skipped an entry altogether.

[vapid lodge]

now he is gonna use his fists 👊🏻

[placid saffron]

covid is the biggest reason they had to rush

[frigid totem]

I blame the deluxe edition too though

[vapid lodge]

however Doom launching during covid was the best fucking time ever

[frigid totem]

Season pass more accurately

[snow nova]

Yeah I've seen something like that plus the voice ressembles davoth's

But still it'd make no sense if it was him

[jolly plume]

They also seem to have had some communication problems and such, since with the release of Eternal's DLC, they changed the Unknown Voice in Urdak to be the Dark Lord, but then changed it again. They tried explaining it as a glitch but it's a bit obvious to me the team got confused

[placid saffron]

well yeah but again only because of rushed lore

[frigid totem]

2016 mysterious voice? The one in the slayer's tablets?

[jolly plume]

Indeed

[frigid totem]

O-kay.

[snow nova]

Fr I felt like I was accomplishing something even in my sofa

[hard thistle]

The Slayer's Testament narrator is Davoth. They mean the Mysterious Voice that yells "NO" when the Khan is killed.

WOOOOO DOOM DARK AGES

[snow nova]

Any kind of violence is doomguy's lust

[hard thistle]

DOOM DARK AGES FUCK YEAH

[placid saffron]

actually, who is the mysterious' voice voice actor??

[snow nova]

https://youtu.be/U9cf54-zb8M?si=zF3bWhB0CeFeueOe

[vapid lodge]

[snow nova]

We could ask betsheda

[frigid totem]

That, to me, implied someone else assisted the Makyr's rebellion and kept them in power. Probably another primeval, idk.

[snow nova]

But they need to pay Mick beforehand

[vapid lodge]

Time will tell

[sonic turret]

I mean the voices sound exactly the same, including the one from 2016 that says "Kill him" and not to let him reach the Crucible.

[jolly plume]

I thought that was said to be the Mastermind. I remember not liking that and just keeping my headcanon that it was the Dark Lord. But I also don't remember if that was just a random comment I heard or actual lore

[neon perch]

I was pretty upset to see Marty on the Gamestop interview.

[frigid totem]

Pretty sure its settled, mick's moved on. We should too.

[vapid lodge]

remember the first time you played Eternal and you were Hyped? You will get that again

[placid saffron]

i'm really certain that the voice actor is the same guy as davoth

also, who is "internal voice" if we're talking about eternal's voice credits? doomguy's grunts?

[hard thistle]

I prefer the idea that the voice was the Imperatrix because it gave her some personality. But Hugo confirmed it was Davoth.

[snow nova]

Nah that one sounds more demonic and it sounds more like the one that reads doomguy's testament

[placid saffron]

no because he has his own voice actor

ohhh i think that is the tag1 whispers when you have the sphere?

[jolly plume]

Ohh so I heard it from you I think

[vapid lodge]

i wonder if we will get to hear the Slayer talk before he gets in the Divinity Machine

[frigid totem]

We did

[snow nova]

Then why do other people still bring up that point if it's settled?

[sonic turret]

I imagine him sounding like Vinnie Jones.

[frigid totem]

Because they're virtue-signalling.

[placid saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890909009526267935/1251298075293777920/image.png?ex=666e11a5&is=666cc025&hm=f2614e96546e84f3b48838e442839908a6a2f9898996dc4d6bc8194cd7569a6b&
the mysterious voice was named "dark lord" after tag1 btw

[slender onyx]

what if they bring the mother demon's sisters for this

[snow nova]

Wdym

[frigid totem]

Yeah, pretty sure it was never called davoth. Thanks for confirming

[snow nova]

NO

[sonic turret]

Or Ozzy Osborne.

[neon perch]

So Mick got paid?

[frigid totem]

They bitch and moan because they think their whining will change anything. Not trying to be bleak, just honest.

[vapid lodge]

we dont know

[snow nova]

Somewhat

Actually I'd like Mick to dress up like the Slayer

[neon perch]

that's the thing, the community being left in the dark as to this whole situation only makes matters more confusing.

[vapid lodge]

oh by the way, serious question...

Besides having good manners, why didnt people ask Mick Gordon at that PAX event in 2023 about the drama between him and Marty?

[sonic turret]

He's to slim to be the Slayer.

[neon perch]

like I know nobody is legally obligated to say anything, but there's still that discomfort.

[snow nova]

Even for the 2016 praetor suit?

[frigid totem]

'93 or Quake Champions version would work though

[frigid totem]

Too complex of a design honestly

[neon perch]

OG Doomguy was ripped though.

[snow nova]

We could see his abs

[frigid totem]

Mick's not frail either though

[neon perch]

Mick is probably in shape but not a roided out beefhead like Doomguy was in his 1993-97 run.

[sonic turret]

He could dress up as Kratonos dressing up as the Slayer.

[snow nova]

Tbh eternal doom Slayer design had me working out

[frigid totem]

What

Genuinely, what are you saying to me.

[snow nova]

I want these big arms

[frigid totem]

Middle aged dads be getting the Slayer's build by just lifting construction pipes and pouring concrete

[vapid lodge]

huh ? i dont get it xD

[neon perch]

I always thought it weird how skinny Doomguy was in 2016, though that was probably just his physique after eons inside that slab.

[knotty hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-17796023110931187535

[snow nova]

Construction pipes?

[neon perch]

The suit itself probably also paid huge part in it.

[sonic turret]

Well you're a bit slimmer than the Slayer and Mick Gordon's like very slim.

[vapid lodge]

yeah he is a little ripped but im 6 3
or 1.93 m

[frigid totem]

The real answer is they didn't think they'd go and buff the man up in the next game

[snow nova]

How do you know he's slimmer?

[sonic turret]

Because he's a Slayer cosplayer.

[snow nova]

Btw is it possible to get a Marauder's physique or is it as ripped as doomguy's?

[snow nova]

Damn lucky him

[frigid totem]

He's a bit more gaunt, to maintain a maruader's physique you'd need to be constantly dehydrated

[sonic turret]

He saws zombies in half for fun.

[neon perch]

I'm wondering why he was skinny at all to boot. it just didn't sit well with me personally. I know they were trying to keep his power level 'grounded' somewhat but still.

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/JpTbUhI

Reposting this again, so apologies

its me

[snow nova]

Hey @vapid lodge what website did you get that praetor suit from?

[vapid lodge]

i made it myself

[snow nova]

So goddamn cool

[frigid totem]

Nothing to do with power or lore. Its just the design they went with.

[snow nova]

Out of what? Wood?

[frigid totem]

Hence why they changed it in the next installment

[neon perch]

suppose I'm just not a fan of 2016's or Eternal's praetor suits. I'd rather have his classic suit anyday.

[hard thistle]

I'm going to be blunt, I think the people still calling for boycotting over it are very silly. I boycott games over things I think are evil. Like, actually evil - like funding genocide, or being made by people who spread hateful rhetoric towards minorities, or shit like that.
What happened to Mick Gordon was fucked up. But you've got people acting like he's some sort of homeless orphan out on the streets and half-dead over it. The man is still very very successful and is finding great work in other avenues. I really, really am not going to lose sleep over supporting Doom because of what happened to a guy much richer than I am several years ago.

[sage fog]

Huge text wall incoming

[frigid totem]

Jesus christ let me read that

[vapid lodge]

EVA foam, 3d prints mostly, leather

[snow nova]

Hey you cheated your biceps are made out of foam

[sage fog]

@hard thistle
You actually mention one of the reasons why I dislike Eternal's direction so much, the main 3 things that inspired it, Pacific Rim, Warhammer and Gundam. Notice something all of those have in common? Sci-fi, Eternal leans too heavily on the sci-fi side of things, it stops focusing on the more fantasy and mythological part of the franchise, I'm a huge sci-fi fan, my profile pic should give that away, but that is not what I associate with DOOM, well, not mainly, DOOM is a fantasy story in a sci-fi setting, space facility filled with marines invaded by actual hell!
This is where the stuff in Eternal starts disappointing me, Urdak, Jekkad, they aren't fantasy themed, they are all sci-fi themed that vaguely resemble fantasy and mythological things.
Hell is no longer reflecting the hell from our religions, instead it's an alien dimension that just vaguely fits into our culture idea of what hell is.
There is no Heaven, but Biomechanical Robots that pretend to be Angels pretend it's real to harvest life out of people. "Oh but in lore those are Heaven and Hell", yeah, and that's a problem, they took everything that makes them be what they are, only keeping the vague silhouette of it's aethetic, they aren't even after lifes anymore.

I completely get what you mean with 2016, it's simple, it plays it safe, uses a similar formula to Doom 3, but it works because of that, and despite all that, it didn't try erasing any of the former games(like how many modern reboots do), it embraced them as best as it could back then, referencing them whenever it could, the story is simple and safe, but there was love put into it, specially when you get to the Testaments. Like I mentioned earlier, you can easily fit everything that came before 2016 as canon, specially because of the vague language used to imply he has been fighting the demons through time and different worlds, but all of that was taken away to make everything post 64 be about the Sentinels.

[vapid lodge]

yes xD

[snow nova]

Even hitting the gym wouldn't work xd

[sage fog]

I do think your take and preference is very valid tho

[vapid lodge]

you need years to make those huge biceps

[snow nova]

But I absolutely love your crucible design

[neon perch]

Didn't 2016 have like, exactly 0 references to the original game lorewise though?

[snow nova]

And eat peanut butter + sprouted bread daily

[frigid totem]

You summed it up perfectly. And I couldn't agree more

[sage fog]

No???

[snow nova]

I really wonder how night sentinels train

[frigid totem]

Some of the codex pages featured the classic marine design

[vapid lodge]

its a lot of it but yea xD

[frigid totem]

I mean, og games had like, three lines of story, so...

[snow nova]

I wanna give up on sex and start as a pure warrior

[sage fog]

2016 fits seamlessly after Doom 64, people didn't get that so they literally shoved the fact the game is a sequel to that in our face in Eternal

[neon perch]

Weren't those from Eternal?

[sonic turret]

I think the Judeo Christian depiction of Heaven was based on he visuals of Urdak and and the Maykrs, as per the Doom mythos.

[frigid totem]

No, 2016 had some too.

[snow nova]

Bro doomguy eats demon blood it's full of proteins

[sage fog]

That's not what I'm talking about

[hard thistle]

There are a lot, but they are small and more just tiny details to make older fans go "Hell yeah." Like how in a Codex file we see them mention excavating the ruins of a tower in Hell and the file has "E2M8" in it.

[frigid totem]

I can't boot up the game to look but I know they're there.

[hard thistle]

Ultimately it just comes down to preference. It is what it is, I suppose.

[neon perch]

Considering the whole debate over whether 2016guy was Doomguy or not that went down after 2016 released, pretty sure the game left it ambiguous.

[frigid totem]

I really hope that the shield and flail arent the only melee weapons in the new game

[hard thistle]

2016 itself did not confirm the Slayer was the original Doomguy. It was pretty obvious, but not confirmed. So Eternal did that.

[vapid lodge]

exactly, but i really wonder if he really eats them... since they're exhumans

[snow nova]

Hey @vapid lodge did you craft a super shotgun?

[neon perch]

Pretty much.

[frigid totem]

It did indeed

[sage fog]

Don't forgetting the Slayer Testaments linking it to 64

[snow nova]

The praetor suit absorbs argent energy (the blue orbs that restore your health)

[frigid totem]

You better be willing to pay the man if you're asking a commission

[vapid lodge]

yes, a couple, let me look for the pic

[sage fog]

Champions did that too

[vapid lodge]

i even have the sentinel hammer

[snow nova]

Lmao

[hard thistle]

This whole bit of lore is vague and I don't think it's quite as huge as what people are interpreting it as.

[snow nova]

You definitely are a gigachad

[sage fog]

Imo Doom guy being the same one from the first 3 games was always obvious, the problem is that because of certain Youtubers, people started thinking Slayer was the Betrayer

[hard thistle]

I don't think every demon used to be human, or even most of them. I think what the codex means is that victims of Hell are doomed to wander the place until they become, essentially, Unwilling.

[frigid totem]

I remember that shit

[hard thistle]

It's not out of the realm of possibility for some demons to be originally human, but most of them have codex shit implicating them as natural lifeforms of Hell. Like Cacodemons

[snow nova]

Doomguy with a cape reminds me of guts

[neon perch]

Didn't the new episode for 64 outwardly state it as well?

[sage fog]

Pinkies are apparently delicious according to 2016

[frigid totem]

Relatively new

[neon perch]

been a while since I played 64. God I love that game so much.

[snow nova]

Pink meat = peak meat

[hard thistle]

Yes, but that came out after 2016.

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/s6T64CS

[frigid totem]

64 has one of my more favorite atmospheres from the doom series

[snow nova]

Oh my f*cking... GOOOOD

[snow nova]

I love it

[honest vortex]

2016 and 64 and now seemingly The Dark Ages have my favorite atmosphere

[sage fog]

Oh, huh? It's a link of 64's OG ending

[honest vortex]

Though DOOM 3's Hell, especially the Hell in Lost Mission is my favorite atmosphere out of all of them

[sage fog]

Guess I'll just transcript it

[snow nova]

Srsly how do you craft em?

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/rEq9bWw

[snow nova]

Wtf it looks like genuine argent energy

[neon perch]

sometimes I feel like I'm on my own in loving Eternal's ambiance.

[snow nova]

Are you an engeener or smth?

[neon perch]

I dig the dilapilated, derelict look of Exultia and Taras Nabad.

[vapid lodge]

yeah you could say that, in my free time, jack of all trades if you may

[sonic turret]

Huge guts?

[sage fog]

@neon perch
64's ending from the 90's

Finally... The mother of all demons is dead!

The blood pours from your eyes as you stand in defiance.

As the only marine to endure the slaughter- you decide to remain in Hell and ensure no demon ever rises again.

The End...
Slayer Testament from 2016, referencing Slayer choosing to stay in Hell to kill all demons
In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace; and with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. He wore the crown of the Night Sentinels, and those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... the Doom Slayer.

[snow nova]

Nah a bunk of iron too big to be called a sword

[hard thistle]

I'm with you on this. Eternal is my favorite Doom game in terms of its visuals, atmosphere, tone, and depiction of Hell.

[honest vortex]

There's many fantastic moments.

Like Nekravol 1 and 2, UAC Atlantica, many parts of Urdak, and Doom Hunter Base

[snow nova]

Oh so it's on sale?

[sonic turret]

Ah, kinda like a buster sword?

[hard thistle]

As I keep replaying 2016 I get slightly more bored of its visuals and atmosphere.

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/NUBAzq3

[snow nova]

Dragonslayer

[vapid lodge]

last pic, sorry for the spam guys

[sonic turret]

Aha

[snow nova]

I want Valen by your side now

[vapid lodge]

i could do it, i have a few 3d printers but im not from the US

[honest vortex]

I'm alone on this but I also love Reclaimed Earth atmosphere and ambience

[sage fog]

I got bored of Eternal's visuals long ago, but I think what makes me not want to replay it is how boring it's first 3 levels are

[neon perch]

I'll always find it badass how they basically wrote off the Doomguy in 64 as 'you did it, now you get to stay in Hell since you appear to like it so much.'

[sage fog]

Exultia might be the worst Doom level to ever exist

[snow nova]

Oh so you craft your stuff With a 3d printer?

[sonic turret]

In my head canon, as the Slayer was once Doomguy, Valen was once the Ranger from OG Quake.

[snow nova]

But how do you make the crucible glow)

[honest vortex]

I think Cultist Base was kinda cool. Just has waaay too many elevator rides and waiting sections and an unskippable Revenant section

[snow nova]

Doomguy is keen's son

[neon perch]

That music though.

[vapid lodge]

yes, but foam is great too

[sage fog]

Cultist base starts getting better, but goddamn Exultia SUCKS

[honest vortex]

Especially the chainsaw riff

Also I love the Slayer Gate

[frigid totem]

I respect that. 2016's atmosphere is a mixed bag for me. For one, I loved the ambient gore and life that the maps could have, and the intricate hell arcitecture (which lost much of its identity in Eternal.) But this, unfortunately was not consistent across the board. Also, the mars levels (as many complained during the time) had far too much grime and just... dirt. Rust. Slog-y.

[snow nova]

Yup but I think it's brittle

[sonic turret]

Keen's too cartoony for me to take him seriously.

[vapid lodge]

I can't wait to print the Shield saw and make it spin

[snow nova]

Especially the dopefish

[frigid totem]

Metal.

[honest vortex]

Oh interesting. I did think mission 1 and mission 2 were kinda dull though

[snow nova]

I prefer the Morning star

[vapid lodge]

it is, but every cosplay is, and to be fair it held really WELL because at the cosplay content I ran and ripped and tore cardboard DEMONS

[neon perch]

If there's anything I can say about Eternal's hell, is that the funnel of bodies you fall down in Nekravol 1 is one of the sickest vistas in the series.

[sonic turret]

Maybe build a muscle suit to go under the armour, to you look jacked AF like the Slayer.

[frigid totem]

M03 is definitely the worst. (UN PTSD)

[snow nova]

WHAT??? You even train with it?

[honest vortex]

Well idk thinking about it.I like Resource Operations aesthetically and atmospherically but the level itself isn't the best.

[neon perch]

2016 has nothing quite like it. the generic orange rocky desert look wasn't very memorable.

[sage fog]

it looked great till I saw it in photo mode and realize the arms in it are fucking huge and look nowhere near human sized

[frigid totem]

You mention that and dont even mention the anal cavity you jump thru in Exultia

[plain moon]

The opening dialogue of TDA better be as good if not better than; “They are rage. Brutal. Without mercy. But you, you will be worse. Rip and tear, Until it is done.”

[vapid lodge]

under the armor its ok but not viable because you sweat and get extremely warm very fast... and the armor already has a shape.. you just need good fake biceps

[snow nova]

Lmao just get genuine muscles you won't regret it

[honest vortex]

I only thought Kadingir Sanctum was like that

[neon perch]

Hey, it's not Doom without suspicious fleshy holes.

[sage fog]

I always liked to see 2016's hell as being floating parts of worlds the demons invaded and drained dry, being so empty of demons themselves cuz they are still recovering from us slaughthering them

[sonic turret]

It would take decades to reach the Slayer's size.

[snow nova]

I wonder how doomguy fares in hell cuz it's hot in there

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/pag70h2

a pic of me ripping fake demons

[neon perch]

The other Hell levels are exactly that but less orange and more grey/green. I'm not a fan personally.

[honest vortex]

Man I love Foundry's level design, encounters, aesthetics, music, and everything....

But it is ridiculous on Nightmare. All the one shot imp fireballs and your equipment and upgrades suck.

[frigid totem]

Got that right.

[snow nova]

Fax 😢

[vapid lodge]

internal fans for cooling xD

[frigid totem]

I dont think foundry was m3, was it?

[honest vortex]

Not sure that I agree. Hell the second half of Necropolis is straight up blue lol

[honest vortex]

Yes

[snow nova]

I think doomguy is so angry that the heat comes from his blood

[frigid totem]

Fuck, its been so long

[neon perch]

2016's first 4 levels slap. I love Res Ops in particular and the way Argent Facility flows freely and appears mostly nonlinear is phenomenal. Foundry is cool too until you realize there's really no point in retrieving the keycards since you're not exactly hunting them down. You just kinda run into them.

[terse bolt]

Foundry was one of the only levels from the original doom 4 vision to make it into doom 2016

[neon perch]

it's a shame the rest of the game is as linear as Eternal afterwards, if not more.

[snow nova]

IS THAT A FNAF REFERENCE?

[frigid totem]

No, please dont bring that franchise up again.

[honest vortex]

I love Argent Facility Regular and Destroyed a lot

The Argent Facilities are my favorite explorative based maps in 2016

[frigid totem]

Argent facility levels are great

[snow nova]

I want foxy dressed up as the Slayer now (his hook as the meathook)

[frigid totem]

I fuckin cant with you

[delicate grotto]

Can’t wait to see the Hell levels in TDA, especially since they’re moving away from linearity

[sage fog]

I hate how linear Eternal is, the only level that didn't feel like the game was holding your hand was Super Gore Nest

[vapid lodge]

https://imgur.com/a/IqWm8KA

I also tried this piece of shit iron man armor but it went horrible

Sorry for off topic

[snow nova]

😭

[honest vortex]

Also Argent Energy Tower I love. It reminds me of Half Life.

I believe there's a Half Life level almost identical to it

[terse bolt]

God I would love if the dark ages was a metroidvania style open world where you could return to the fortress of doom in certain spots and drop back in predetermined spots

[snow nova]

Why so much hate on FNAF)

[terse bolt]

very unlikely but a fun thought

[honest vortex]

Even Super Gore Nest wasn't as open as Foundry, Resource Ops, Argent Facility Regular and Destroyed, and Argent Energy Tower.

But true

[frigid totem]

It seems that way, doesn't it? I really hope that it is non-linear as well. Or if they need to make it linear (cuz of UN I imagine) at least have a true horde mode

[snow nova]

Bro I really don't think a 3d printer can make a cosplay glow like that

[neon perch]

AT is just kinda bleh to me. I like the concept, but the sections of dead air and the wonky platforming/ledge grab detection really killed it for me.

[sage fog]

Eternal has this weird thing where like, it holds your hands alot then makes boring to fight bs enemies (mostly on the DLCs)

[delicate grotto]

Agreed. SGN was kind of underwhelming with its encounters on top of it all. ARC had such a good opportunity to be as open as the Foundry in Doom 2016.

[vapid lodge]

it can, you have to sand and use great paint 🙂

[honest vortex]

I hardly had problems with it tbh.

[sonic turret]

True, but I play a ton of CoD too, so I've stopped noticing the linearity.

[snow nova]

Great paint? Phosphorescence you mean?

[frigid totem]

ARC was so underwhelming, and the master level was honestly a downgrade to the campaign

[vapid lodge]

no no, has to be metallic and not react weird with laque or primer

[honest vortex]

Argent D'Nur and Necropolis (especially the second half when you're in the blue-ish Hell area with the Leviathan body and Icon of Sin on the wall) are awesome Hell levels and aesthetics

[delicate grotto]

Yeah it’s my least favorite one tbh

[snow nova]

Chad doom >>>>>> virgin cod

[frigid totem]

At least the campaign's spawns arent fucking broken

[snow nova]

Then why does the crucible even glows in the dark if it's Metallic?

[neon perch]

I think I like the same amount of levels off each game. with 2016 it's UAC-Argent Facility, with Eternal it's Super Gore Nest-Sentinel Prime.

[sonic turret]

And what if I play both?

[honest vortex]

Also the second phase of Cyberdemon takes you to a Hell area very similar to Doom 3 which I loved

[vapid lodge]

crucible is plexiglas and glued a RGB led strip to glow to inside, not outside

[terse bolt]

Homosexual Ultrakill >>>>> Chad doom

[snow nova]

You're a Virgin Chad 🤣

[frigid totem]

Nah thats not it

[snow nova]

Well ultrakill is doom at home

[honest vortex]

Advanced Research Complex puzzles, secrets, and platforming reminded me of Half Life style

[frigid totem]

Ultrakill has more challenging gameplay than doom eternal.

[neon perch]

Being fair- I like how Eternal's levels at least loop around even if they aren't exactly nonlinear.

[terse bolt]

I wouldn’t say that, it takes inspiration sure but that’s like saying quake is doom

[frigid totem]

They are mind numbingly easy to traverse.

[snow nova]

Well you fly high but it lacks metal music

[neon perch]

at least the ones I listed off do.

[honest vortex]

The air vents area was really cool

[frigid totem]

My lindemann playlist helps

[snow nova]

Quake lacks glory kills imo

[snow nova]

Whereas bulletstorm...

[neon perch]

I'd be pretty hard pressed to find a map off the first 2 games that wasn't easy to traverse... save for The Chasm.

[snow nova]

Lindemann?

[frigid totem]

Hmmm what about the city levels ?

[neon perch]

I can kinda forgive that since Eternal is mostly focused on combat and sections of downtime, not labyrinths.

[terse bolt]

glory kills are eh, they’re cool but as the premiere way to heal I think a different system could work better than taking you out of combat for a second
yknow like regeneration when dealing close range damage

[frigid totem]

Its a germany based band

[honest vortex]

I think I like pretty much every 2016 level except the first one.

Though I do think Kadingir Sanctum is overrated and the weakest Hell level in the game, and Lazarus Labs is probably one of the weaker levels despite still being good

[neon perch]

Those are just boring.

sorry Sandy, you tried your best, but it's still not good.

[snow nova]

If you wanna check I recommend dying fetus suffocation deicide aborted and cannibal corpse

[frigid totem]

I think you're forgetting that breaks in action ultimately helps to prevent burnout

[vapid lodge]

do you think they will try to connect DOOM lore with quake?

Imagine finding the Ranger in DOOM

[hard thistle]

Kadingir Sanctum is kind of mid.

[terse bolt]

my adhd could never, ultrakill go brrrrrr

[honest vortex]

I like Industrial Zone a lot (Map 15.) A John Romero city map

[frigid totem]

Its a fine system, and fits with doom's personality

[snow nova]

Omg that'd be dope

[neon perch]

Isn't Samur supposed to morph into a Lovecraftian horror after TAG 1?

[frigid totem]

I'm a bit of a petersen stan

[snow nova]

It's samur makyr

[honest vortex]

Also the Map 16 is fun with all the havoc of Archviles, Mancubi, and Revenants in a giant city

[frigid totem]

Whats the diff pal

[vapid lodge]

yeah you're right, holy f

[honest vortex]

I think it's mostly Map 12 and 13 that ara as bad as people say

[vapid lodge]

imagine a Quake reboot in 2027 and then you find Samur as a boss

[neon perch]

Isn't MAP12 Downtown?

[honest vortex]

But other city levels get blown out of proportion

[snow nova]

So it's not a morph

[honest vortex]

Ye

[neon perch]

wait no, that's MAP13.

[frigid totem]

Oye

[solemn wadi]

I desperately need quake to come back

[neon perch]

12 is The Factory. I kinda quit around 9, The Pit is such a bland looking map and the constant uneven heights just make me groan. Plays okay I guess, I'm just not a fan of the way it flows.

[honest vortex]

Map 12 is that one city level with the weird Cacodemon puzzle

[snow nova]

Most of us do

[mint estuary]

brainrot

[solemn wadi]

I recently got quake on vinyl and it’s so sick

[vapid lodge]

i feel you bro, but i dont know what is gonna happen, they want to make sure they have income and i dont know if quake is gonna do more than doom

[snow nova]

Wdym 😭

[solemn wadi]

That and doom 2016 I have on vinyal

[frigid totem]

Quake has little chance if it tries too hard to be "faithful" to the old games, and is just another FPS.

[mint estuary]

when its at the point that you can associate regular phrases with something else like that
yes it happens to me too

[solemn wadi]

Yeah true

[honest vortex]

I like its encounters and design. It's well designed, well paced, and fun with great music, but aesthetically and atmospherically it's very overrated.

[snow nova]

Vote : you only have to pick one :
Doom
Halo
Quake

[solemn wadi]

Doom>

[terse bolt]

ultrakill :3

[honest vortex]

Halo sucks now.

[snow nova]

Fair point

[frigid totem]

Only reason doom succeeded is because it moved on from the 90s and modernized. For better or for worse

[snow nova]

Infinite?

[neon perch]

Quake's identity has kinda been reforged by the community at large. They'd just end up with 2016 and Eternal's stepchild if they were to reboot it.

[solemn wadi]

Halo infinite got boring

[honest vortex]

Yeah I didn't think Infinite was very good

[frigid totem]

Exactly.

[snow nova]

Doom is better for it's blood content imo

[vapid lodge]

bro i cant wait to cosplay the new armor

[frigid totem]

NIN

nuff said

[mint estuary]

better start working out

[honest vortex]

Thank goodness people are talking about how linear Eternal is though.

[snow nova]

I'm eager to know how your 3d printer will create a furry cape

[snow nova]

🗿

[solemn wadi]

Imagine if a quake reboot brought back NIN for the soundtrack

[sonic turret]

How will you make the cape?

[vapid lodge]

you can get that easily if you google game of thrones cape

[neon perch]

The whole 'flesh and metal'/'dimensional hopping'/'gothic darkness' motifs not only have been done to death by now, Doom's already kinda swept them up so they won't be any novelty.

[terse bolt]

eh the blood doesn’t add anything, brutality is way down on the priority list for me
I just think the story and gameplay of doom are both quite good, even if they don’t always make the most sense

[snow nova]

What is NIN

[frigid totem]

God, I would scream like a little girl

[terse bolt]

nine inch nails

[sonic turret]

Nine Inch Nails

[snow nova]

Wait it's a metal band

[solemn wadi]

I love nine inch nails

[sonic turret]

Thereabouts

[snow nova]

Isn't it metalcore?

[vapid lodge]

well im shit at creating cloth, so i will not learn... imma just buy a cape online and thats it...

[solemn wadi]

Nine inch nails is its own genre just listen to them

[sonic turret]

Trent Reznor composed the OST for OG Quake.

[snow nova]

Lmfao buy a viking one

[vapid lodge]

or that, yes

havent thought much about it

[honest vortex]

Never understood why people liked the way SGN looks so much. I think Super Gore Nest is ugly with poor plasticy toyish textures and lighting and an eyesore color scheme.

[snow nova]

Or a berserk one pls 🙏 guts and doomguy look alike imo

[frigid totem]

Or even better, hunt a greywolf and take its pelt

[vapid lodge]

like real men

[solemn wadi]

Super gore nest is my favorite map 😢

[snow nova]

I prefer nekravol

[vapid lodge]

best i can do is eat fast food

[frigid totem]

💪

[sonic turret]

Yeah

[honest vortex]

Talking about aesthetically

[solemn wadi]

Nekravol kicks ass I love that design

[snow nova]

Well it looks as gore as the name of the map

[frigid totem]

Yes, if you look closely. But you can see what they wanted to do, right?

[honest vortex]

It's like plastic toy flat looking Gore doe

[snow nova]

I study my biology exam while playing in this map

[sonic turret]

I kinda like how it doesn't take itself too seriously tho. It kinda gives me Akira vibes too.

[solemn wadi]

It’s body horror the map and I think that’s perfect for what a hell invasion would look like

[snow nova]

It still features blood when you shoot on flesh walls

[snow nova]

Rly

[frigid totem]

Thats really easy to code

[honest vortex]

I love Nekravol aesthetically

That actually put an attempt to the lighting and textures and doesn't have a messy color scheme.

[snow nova]

Yeah but there is especially more flesh is sgn

[honest vortex]

It's not washed out like SGN either

[solemn wadi]

That pit area in nekravol always gives me chills

[neon perch]

I like the fleshy vibe of SGN. one of my gripes with 2016 was the lack of flesh growth save for some very specific sections in some maps that they just peppered in.

[snow nova]

And it is the most hellish level with the most badass soundtrack imo

[frigid totem]

this server should not allow people under 13 in

[terse bolt]

World spear is absolutely my favorite level for vibes, music, encounters, everything

[snow nova]

Why?

[terse bolt]

it’s just goated

[frigid totem]

The second dlc had a lot of good aesthetics

[snow nova]

Immora's theme kicks ass

[honest vortex]

There's quite a bit of in the second half of 2016 though.... and it has much more striking lighting and details on it

[neon perch]

TAG 1 and 2 had stellar art design.

[terse bolt]

Immora is a close second for me in vibes