the-dark-ages

[primal storm]

u gonna buy a action figurine?

[gusty moth]

if it takes that quick to finish, aint worth gettin

[misty beacon]

oh one hundred percent, last bastion of developers who ACTUALLY FUCKING CARE and LOVE what they are doing.
Not being zombies, writing code every day, like monkeys in a cage.
No front to other studios, but thats how the industry feels right now

[primal storm]

i mean outlast is piece of cake

[misty beacon]

Whatever the collectors edition will have

[gusty moth]

literally 🗣️

[primal storm]

they're shit expensive tho, i dont even wanna imagine how much tda doom slayer limited edition will cost

[gusty moth]

bro

[misty beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/privilege-rich-wealthy-jake-abel-sasha-harrison-gif-15998254

[gusty moth]

when you look at all those cod, multiplayer fps games, all u see is just subscription services as the main highlight of the game

so depressing

[primal storm]

they just put passion in their games, i mean who wouldnt just enjoy a game where u get hardcore combat with some fire music too

[primal storm]

even the music producers are on a different lvl

[gusty moth]

developers jus gonna be using ai to create games, and eventually people will use ai to play the games for them

😔

[primal storm]

i mean i can understand the developers using ai to help them make games but people using ai to play the game? thats like watching a youtube video but you paid for the video to watch

[misty beacon]

nahhh, AI is shit
Couldnt even help me with a windows BATCH FILE!

[primal storm]

watch ai turn into AM

[gusty moth]

i would actually be happy and excited if ai took over humans

i jus want them to start a war with us

[primal storm]

i guess you would enjoy watching "i have no mouth and i must scream"

[gusty moth]

yeh, jus like how some "content creators" use ai generated videos now

cough kwelbokop cough

however tf u spell that shit

[primal storm]

that word?

[gusty moth]

youtuber

orange guy

[primal storm]

i searched kwelbokop and i got adult content creator

[cyan lotus]

some content creators don’t use Ai and their content still sucks, I know a few fellows like that

[gusty moth]

yeh 😔

[primal storm]

i dont think anyone uses that tho

[gusty moth]

huh

[primal storm]

atleast i dont know anyone to use it

[gusty moth]

kwebbelkop

[primal storm]

kwebbelkop

[gusty moth]

i didnt bother knowing how to spell that properly

[primal storm]

he post videos about those play store games that r weird

[gusty moth]

yeh fell off

so many youtubers jus still try and cling onto what little fame they have left

[primal storm]

most of them make youtube kids content

they still gotta earn their bread from youtube

i mean u seen jake paul? bro went from filming bodies in the forest to boxing

[gusty moth]

that was logan

[primal storm]

oops

[gusty moth]

but yeh those bozos too

[primal storm]

got them mixed up lel

ngl i only know those two people because of the huge hype that was on the internet

mike tyson vs jake paul i think or was it logan paul?

[gusty moth]

its like jake paul and mike tyson now iirc

[primal storm]

yea but anyway it turned out they wont fight at all

[gusty moth]

meh

doesnt really mater\

[primal storm]

true but still dissapointing

i wonder what other good thing will happen in 2025

[gusty moth]

nothing

nothing exciting in this world anymore

nothing to be hopeful for

[primal storm]

now that i think about it, imagine one day it just becomes 2025 and you turn 18 (if ur 17 this year) and you see people talking about tda that just got released and gta 6 that also just got released, and u have enough money for a ps5 and both of the games, you go to buy everything and go back home. you load tda and u hear a knock at your door and when you go to see who is it you only see a letter

that letter being from army recruiment

[primal storm]

you finished highschool or still in it

[gusty moth]

i got like 1 week left

[primal storm]

i got 2 more week till i get the summer break but ngl ill be over with it next year in 2025 and tbh i just think about how ill get my dream job nd do the driver school

u should think this way too

like to think positive

[gusty moth]

yeh

workin on that 😪

[primal storm]

gj keep it up

tho speaking of thinking positive, i remember that i used doom slayer as my motivation for gym 😭

[gusty moth]

👏

[thorny yarrow]

Something I'm looking forward to doing after Dark Ages is out is playing the new three in chronological order.

[eager quiver]

Yo

[outer cave]

That's next on my list as I've finished every single game except the tag 1 and 2 dlcs

[eager quiver]

[neon perch]

Do we know if the Dark Age is going to be a Little one?

[sonic turret]

A little what?

[jolly plume]

A little one

[neon perch]

You know, a Little Dark Age.

[jolly plume]

Exactly

[neon perch]

The fact he doesn't know makes me wanna grieve in stereo.

[sonic turret]

That makes no sense to me.

[jolly plume]

Unfortunate

[sonic turret]

Is it an American thing?

[neon perch]

Yeah, I guess to you the stereo would sound strange.

Just know that if you hide, it doesn't go away.

[jolly plume]

Heh

[sonic turret]

Hi

[neon perch]

Can Doomguy loaf?

[sonic turret]

Can he what?

[hard thistle]

Why tho

[fresh path]

I’ve got a headcanon going.
That the fight with the Atlan and Titan will likely take place in Hebeth.

[winter idol]

hebeth is long before the slayer was found by the sentinels so nah

[neon perch]

So he can't loaf?

[fresh path]

What do you think it is?
It looks a lot like Mars.

[winter idol]

it does, but its really impossible to tell if it is truly mars or a lookalike

[sonic turret]

Mars maybe.

[winter idol]

and the tech looks suspiciously like UAC tech, like the giant portal in the background

although the buildings do have sentinel style architecture with a mix of UAC so its kinda weird

so far none of the weapons are UAC tech so its probably some weird sentinal base

[primal storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1249076203516596277/1250952926591979590/image.png?ex=666cd033&is=666b7eb3&hm=82fdbb1217faf57bd06115f48a0f38a80876aad0c5b154d2293532eafd4433be&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=324
imagine this song at the opening of tda

[surreal arch]

Would be cool if they add fire to the mace like in Heretic

[dawn rock]

i love so much the flail

i think will be the new doomblade

[winter idol]

Its going to be more than that, hugo said melee will be a bigger part of the game

[dawn rock]

hohohohooh i like read that

blood punch with the spike mace

[winter idol]

Melee is probably going to be more interactive with enemies than blood punch since you can use it all the time

[dawn rock]

wow then a warrior playstile with shooter mechanics

[neon perch]

I only hope the shield doesn't trivialize the combat.

[jolly plume]

I do wanna beat the fuck out of the abadon hunters with my bare hands

[delicate grotto]

Same here. That’s my only concern with what I’ve seen so far.

[neon perch]

Also, hot take, but I hope glory kills don't make a return. I want melee kills to be as quick and unintrusive as possible.

[delicate grotto]

But the Devs seem to know what they’re doing, so I’ve got faith.

[jolly plume]

You can always improve the speed of glory kills with that one perk thing

[delicate grotto]

Based on the GameSpot interview, that seems likely

[neon perch]

It would be cool if they let the player batter enemies to death with the flail/kick instead of playing canned animations again.

Kinda like how the newer Shadow Warrior games did it, letting you slice fuckers left and right with a katana slash instead of taking control away from the player for a finishing move.

It's just that much more satisfying and personal to dispatch an annoying enemy with my own inputs than watch an execution animation play out.

[sonic turret]

This song was in Eternal already.

[sonic turret]

I saw him throw some karate kick in the trailer, so maybe we'll get a Blood Kick this time around.

[frigid ermine]

i mean doom is full of musical callbacks
https://youtu.be/9_XjMsYOFOI?t=214
https://youtu.be/Bed8NPkVHRQ?t=219

[primal storm]

huh?

[agile osprey]

command & control: bfg div
arc complex: dark halls
scrapped ending song: into sandys city (straight remix)

[primal storm]

what part

[frigid ermine]

https://youtu.be/NamxJs8bAig?t=59

[agile osprey]

in the main menu theme, the end in the official version with the screaming, put into a mono channel, turns into sweet little dead bunny

[frigid ermine]

one of the few times ive been unnerved by music

[primal storm]

this game is full of surprises

[frigid ermine]

https://youtu.be/tZXDwJ0XWpQ?t=184

[frigid ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6t0-6kUEu8 this is full of them

[primal storm]

i like how the developers just knew that some people would try and do stuff like these to find easter eggs

[frigid ermine]

mick gordon detailed his thought process somewhere in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4FNBMZsqrY&pp=ygUPbWljayBnb3Jkb24gZ2Rj

its a long video, but its worth it

[sonic turret]

When the Slayer goes to see Commander Valen.

[frigid ermine]

the name of the track would be cool

i dont see anything online about it

oh wait, tag2?

[primal storm]

i like the detail when sammuel says that what they were doing was purely for the betterment of mankind and doom slayer just looks down at the dead corpse

[frigid ermine]

its a cool way to get back in the vibe of 2016, most people, including me, probably forgot after playing eternal so much

[crude ore]

Quick question for anyone who knows which version of doom guy is stronger external or dark ages. I figured that he is faster and stronger with the current doom we have based off of gameplay but idk.

[jolly plume]

Both versions are the strongest to the environment they adapted to. Dark Ages Doomguy seems to be a bulwark. Eternal Doomguy was a monkey with a hook

[hard thistle]

The Dark Ages has not come out, so we don't know.

[sonic turret]

I mean I'd imagine he's been both working and and upgrading his praetor suit in between Dark Ages and Eternal, so probably Eternal.

[crude ore]

Makes sense.

[sonic turret]

@crude ore But it's not all about physical strength, Thanos beat the Hulk in that one movie because he had the benefit of experience, in Thanos' case, over a thousand years worth, and likewise, the Eternal Slayer would have more combat experience than the Dark Ages Slayer.

[sage oak]

What's going on

[crude ore]

True but i thought hulk lost because thanos was actually just stronger because of his race or species. I guess i was mistaken.

[sonic turret]

Not much.

[sage oak]

Ohh

[sonic turret]

Not necessarily, if you slow down the fight, you can see that Thanos was striking the Hulk's more sensitive pressure points.

He knew where to hit him.

[crude ore]

Oh yeah its been awhile since i seen it.

[soft turret]

The Hulk would eventually grow to be stronger than Thanos, Thanos just pieced up the big green idiot.

[jolly plume]

Nah he just had good technique. A case of the strongest bar brawler vs a heavyweight MMA champion

[soft turret]

I would assume the one who has had more time to farm demon kills for strength is the stronger one

[sonic turret]

More important is the growth mindset, learning from his mistakes etc, however unfortunately they turned the Incredible Hulk into a Disney Princess.

[soft turret]

Hulk as a savage hardly learns, he just overpowers with overwhelming strength.

[crude ore]

Im assuming everyone here is day one for dark ages? I know i am and of course im happy it’s on PS as well.

[soft turret]

The angrier he gets, the stronger

[sonic turret]

Well he certainly became smarter, albeit less confrontational and combative.

I mean when he became Professor Hulk or whatever they call him now.

[soft turret]

Yes, but that is not his savage-self anymore.

[sonic turret]

Honestly tho, I much preferred the Edward Norton version.

[soft turret]

I will buy it whenever I can

[crude ore]

Nice

[sonic turret]

We'll see, I'm not in a hurry and don't own a PS5 yet. I've still got a wedding to pay for.

[crude ore]

Sheesh. Good luck and congrats 🍾.

[soft turret]

Congratulations

[sonic turret]

Thanks

Euch, my boss descaled the bloody kettle and it tastes rank.

[frigid ermine]

almost every other gaming community is known for not having women

how is doom the only one with plenty of married people

[sonic turret]

Because we've been around since 1993.

[grim cloud]

Because we old now

[sonic turret]

I mean I mean I was born in 1984, but joined the UAC in '93.

[frigid ermine]

most classic doom fans have that middle aged dad vibe

[sonic turret]

Well to be honest, for quite a few of us, Doom was originally a father-son thing.

[crude ore]

On the topic of sweat virgin filled shooters that New Cod looking like a Cop. And i thought that the last few cods were trash.

[frigid ermine]

would've loved to have grown up then

[sonic turret]

Which one?

Black Ops 4?

Or is it 5 now?

[crude ore]

Black ops 6

[sonic turret]

I much preferred the OG Black Ops, a real challenge.

[frigid ermine]

being 14 in a high tech world is awesome, but how simple growing up back then seems to be, seems fun to have grown up messing around outside, rather than growing up messing around in blender, or davinci resolve, or musescore, or anything else

[crude ore]

They showed gameplay its like the old og black ops except with updated graphics and wayyyy better movement.

[steel bridge]

DAVINCI RESOLVE MENTIONED

[crude ore]

https://www.youtube.com/live/qtI25vEDx38?si=D59x13Of-fmJ5rdU

[frigid ermine]

its awesome to just mess around with whatever the option that affects how its rendered on top of the other layers is called, and create some weird ass art project looking seizure inducing visuals

[proud patrol]

skull crusher looks similar to the unmaykr

[frigid ermine]

might serve as a replacement to the chain gun

because if they're bringing back something related to the unmaker, itd be probably better to have the doom 64 one, rather than the useless doom eternal unmakyr

[proud patrol]

so its gonna be like classic doom?

no more 7 weapons?

[frigid ermine]

i hope, if they're bringing the unmaker/yr back

[proud patrol]

no more quickswap?

[frigid ermine]

i heard somewhere that melees gonna be doing more

i mean just for the unmaker

they're probably still keeping quickswap, and big arsenals

[sonic turret]

The Unmaykr was made from bone.

[frigid ermine]

it wasnt made with makyr tech?

just bone?

[sonic turret]

I played Cold War, hoping that it'd be like the OG, but it was way too easy and lacked the espionage and Vietnam vibe.

I'm currently playing the second MW in the new trilogy, not bad but I still prefer the old MW trilogy.

[bright flume]

I just bought doom 2016 any tips?

[sonic turret]

Yeah, complete the rune trials as well.

They'll have you moving in ways that you wouldn't normally do and will increase your range of motion, dexterity and skill.

[bright flume]

Thnk ya

[frigid ermine]

#doom-2016, essentially, learn to switch weapons really fast, learn to dodge projectiles, and be varied with your weapons

id have like 3 main weapons id use

[crude ore]

True

[hot mist]

I have a cool idea for doom the dark ages that they will NOT do, but it's still cool lol

I think given the lore and the story a betrayer boss fight could be pretty cool

[proud patrol]

lore inaccurate

valen and doom slayer wouldnt fight eachother

if so then that would've changed everything in the sequel

[hot mist]

Alright then

[soft turret]

And Valen would be dead

[proud patrol]

yeah he' be dead easy

[hot mist]

That's fair actually

[soft turret]

That is not a fight he can win

[hard thistle]

Can Your Dumbass Stop Opening Portals to Hell, Like Goddamn!.

Matter of Fact I Should tell Samuel Hayden that (Acting)

[soft turret]

Hell better stop fucking with Earth or I'm gonna be forced to step in

[frigid ermine]

i mean to be fair, its a different universe, doom 1/2 arent the same timelines as 2016/eternal

he went from 1/2, to hell, and got pulled into 2016/eternal

its the same hell, but different earths

[gusty tapir]

It’s also still the same dude. Doomguy is Doom Slayer.

He decided to stay in Hell at the end of DOOM 64.

[hard thistle]

Matter of Fact, The UAC Better Stop Fucking With their Own Portals, Before i'll Step in and beat the Crap out of that Offbrand,Android Looking ahh Mofo 💀

[sand wharf]

I guess you haven't played the DLCs of Eternal

[hard thistle]

I Did

I'm Just Saying Random Stuff

[sand wharf]

Lol

[grim cloud]

Aggadon Hunter from the Telos realm!!!

So it looks like Kronos was a Aggadon Primarch. I wonder if we kill him as a boss in TDA

[hard thistle]

The Atlan Gave that One Titan, A Literal Uppercut to the Chin 💀 (Btw the Atlan is the Robot We See in The Trailer, And a Fact about the Atlan, If you Played Doom Eternal You Could See a Piece of it, In the Fortress of Doom.)

[grim cloud]

that is the huge demon corpse you punch in Cultist base

[primal stirrup]

so, no switch port?

[sonic turret]

Corpse no punch back.

[hard thistle]

No Olivia Pierce

[proud patrol]

what are the missions in the dark ages

mayeb kher lodur?

[hard thistle]

Hamuel Sayden. Oh my God... XD

[proud patrol]

that would be cool tho

[hard thistle]

I like your name.

[proud patrol]

real

[sonic turret]

Kar en tuk?

[serene veldt]

You Doom Slayer?

[gusty moth]

Bro

There's a sandbox mode in this game?

[hard thistle]

I sadly missed the Xbox Showcase while it was live (cause I was with my dad at a cool fair), and then the gameplay trailer dropped, and my mind was blown.

The Skull Crusher, Chainsaw Shield, Mace, Atlan Mech, EVERYTHING IN IT LOOKS FANTASTIC!! 😍

[digital totem]

A cool dragon

[hard thistle]

That too

[sonic turret]

Daisy the Dragon

[digital totem]

THAT WOULD BE SO DAMN AWESOME

[hard thistle]

😮

[plain moon]

I hope TDA will have as cool an opening dialogue as 2016. Eternal’s just didn’t hit as hard for me.

[primal storm]

the intro song is still fire

[warped sundial]

So...did anyone else get a vibe that maybe they got some good ideas from GOW: Ragnarok?

[sudden steppe]

I kinda did mainly from the feature that if you use the shield right before getting hit then it stuns the enemy

[robust flicker]

the game's been in development for 4 years now, i doubt the idea came from ragnarok

[misty beacon]

Even longer, first development efforts were already made when D:E was still in the works

[robust flicker]

exactly both the games had similar ideas thats all

besides stunning an enemy with a shield isnt a ground breaking discovery

its been done before

[misty beacon]

i dont even know what the context was

just wanted to blurp my 2cents into the chat when i saw your message xD

[robust flicker]

the fur coat and shield being inspired from gow

[misty beacon]

eh...
Inspired? No. Dont think so.
Do other developers do stuff they see in other games because theyre fucking awesome? Hell yeah they do

Overall, even if it were inspired by something else, its not like anyone has a patent on design decisions lol

[robust flicker]

yup

[placid saffron]

it's not likr anyonr has a patent on design decisions lol
cries in Nemesis System

[sonic turret]

I got several AvP and Prey vibes too.

[misty beacon]

First thing that came to mind when i first saw the trailer:

PAINKILLER

Was a fuckin good game back in the day, but man... it really didnt age well in terms of graphics and especially the gameplay

[cyan lotus]

the graphics however are shitty in a very charming way

[misty beacon]

yeah true

level design was really good, especially in the larger areas

[robust flicker]

yeah theres a special charm to low poly count old games

especially the piss filter ones

[misty beacon]

XBOX360 and PS3 era games lol

[ebon jewel]

eternal was already pushing it on 2017 hardware, considering switch 2 is supposed to drop next year i think its safe to assume it will release there

[upbeat wren]

same

[sonic turret]

Never heard of it but it doesn't look too bad.

[modest magnet]

Хы

[hard thistle]

WOOOO DOOM DARK AGES

It will be game of the year (hopefully)

[unreal terrace]

WOOOOOOOO

[hard thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-2922587064166244739

[unreal terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/maruader-doom-doom-eternal-eternal-makeasweet-gif-22065017

[hard thistle]

RAAAAAAAHHHHH

[cerulean patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

[junior atlas]

yooo you go the dark ages early?

[pulsar agate]

no thats quake

[tribal lagoon]

That screenshot is NOT quake

[strong locust]

The dark ages multiplayer is gonna be Hank as heck

[torpid glacier]

when switch port

[proud patrol]

KAR EN TUK

[fleet spruce]

probably switch 2 , in best case scenario

[pulsar agate]

looks similiar to it

[vapid lodge]

For me it felt Serious Sam a little

[hard thistle]

Do you think Dark Ages also has jump and run elements like Eternal?

[cinder thunder]

indeed it did LOL

brought back some good memories back when i played serious sam 2

[placid saffron]

Most likely not, with very limited mobility options and little verticality

[vapid lodge]

Cant believe we gonna have 3 modern doom games

What a time to be alive

[hard thistle]

Okay, i really liked it

[vapid lodge]

Probably might be the last doom for a while

[placid saffron]

depends on what the divine microsoft shareholders demand ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vapid lodge]

I dont know what else they could do after dark ages.

Story wise they could do something about the father and samur

[placid saffron]

Story doesn't matter, for doom yu can kind of just think of whatever

[hard thistle]

Why should they? They have a pretty good lore, why should the rip holes in it?

[placid saffron]

1. Ask tag2 for why ripping holes in the lore
2. You don't have to

[jaunty beacon]

the lore should have stayed angry man transferred to mars alone after not wanting to kill civilians and ends up destroying a bunch of demons brought there by some failed teleportation experiments

the whole god sentinel thing is just weird and confusing

[outer quiver]

I think it's perfect continuation of the lore above, shit just gets more desturbing untill it's the "angry guy kills gods because he pissed"

[placid saffron]

Nah, adding in heaven makes sense

[spark leaf]

I'd like to see what Marauder wants to show me but he keeps falling apart and dying :p

Turns out, if you shoot him, he dies

[honest vortex]

The lore should have been Dark Lord and Doomguy has.....French toast

[bleak spade]

Isn’t the dark ages going to play like doom 2016? Cause less verticality and more tanky weapons and what not

[echo sage]

ahhh, feels good to be home

[bleak spade]

I could be wrong

[north spire]

Here's my 5 biggest hopes for Doom The Dark Ages

1. That the game is at the very least on par with, if not better than Doom 2016. I don't know if it'll surpass Eternal, but I hope it's at least runner up

2. Hoping the soundtrack is on par with the others too. Hulshult is a fantastic composer and whilst The Ancient Gods did have really good stuff, hoping this soundtrack is a bit more focused and goes for its own thing whilst still feeling like Doom at it's core

[ionic stream]

i cant wait for doom the dark ages

[north spire]

3. Classic Deathmatch please. No 2 vs 1, no cod imitations, just good old fashioned Quake styled deathmatch

4. Hoping the tutorial stuff is better handled than it was in Eternal. I understand why it was the way it was in that game, but it's a little bit too intrusive if you ask me. Doesn't take away from how amazing that game is, but it is a little irritation that I hope The Dark Ages irons out

[ionic stream]

i hope theres a level creater just like doom 2016

[north spire]

5. Some more connections to Doom 64 would be awesome! Doom 64 is pretty underrated and has so many cool things that I feel like should return. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if they fully replaced the BFG with the Unmayker as long as they buff it

[ionic stream]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-ring-bilbo-baggins-scary-face-gif-17471832

me when the demo releses:

[bleak spade]

Idk why but I wonder if glory kills are still in it, I mean probably it will as now they are an absolute fan favourite of the doom series but I’m stuck in wondering if they are going to work in the opposite direction of that.

[ionic stream]

i love the glory kills there so bloody especaliy the zombie ones

[bleak spade]

Fr

I just want more gameplay trailers to watch, I think it’s gonna be revealed more in quakecon this year, possibly even the release date. But I want to see more

[ionic stream]

yeah

[wheat jungle]

Oh fuck yeah.

[ionic stream]

i know the bloodiest glory kill there is...when you beat the icon of sin

[wheat jungle]

We need one with doomguy, caked in blood for the rest of the mission

[ionic stream]

yes true

to make it more realistic

[formal frigate]

I just watched predator again and now i really want a system where you rip the spines of your enemies and collect their skulls as a kill count

[sand wharf]

Today is the 37th anniversary of the first Predator

[wheat jungle]

COUGHprowlerCOUGH

[wheat jungle]

The 12th sadly

[formal frigate]

Idk what that is 😅

[sand wharf]

It was released 1987

[formal frigate]

Yeah i think he is refering to the movie "THE predator" not the original

[wheat jungle]

No it was released on the 12th not the 14th

[wheat jungle]

SIR.

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-glory-kill-gif-24556088

[formal frigate]

Ooooh right i thought you meant smthn outside of doom but that makes more sense

[sand wharf]

Ah you're right

[wheat jungle]

That's how we collect the the spines and skulls

[sand wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183398655789649962/1251154473389129826/ik3t9pcz3ky41.jpg?ex=666d8be7&is=666c3a67&hm=42d1b70c6dd683a4e10e7ca60fb7e0cd76718c0f6573f2cb0cce3f7001b76646&

Glory Kill from behind

[wheat jungle]

YEA-

[reef walrus]

Yeah I can see the same. The game's motto is like "stand & fight"

[soft turret]

The purple enemy who teleports around

[formal frigate]

How have i never seen this glory kill?

[soft turret]

It's my favorite

[sand wharf]

It's a good one

[soft turret]

U approach the prowler from behind and take its spine

[wheat jungle]

Mines the whiplash with a back of the throat stab

[formal frigate]

Imma grind doom now just to see this

[wheat jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-glory-kill-whiplash-gif-18709557

[soft turret]

Would have been cool if doom eternal had as many glorykills as 2016 tho

[wheat jungle]

That's my favorite

[formal frigate]

That is a good one

I feel like the eternal cacodemon eeded more than just 3 glory kills though

[wheat jungle]

Not only that I like the whiplash, with how much I hate her in combat I love her design

People forget that she's the only female demon

[soft turret]

2016 has so many glorykills sometimes u just see some u have never seen before

[reef walrus]

I think they're still going to keep the "A power fantasy earned will always be more satisfying than a power fantasy that had been given" approach to combat, despite changes to the flow.

[soft turret]

In Eternal they run out quick

[formal frigate]

Imma be honest i didnt know the demons had genders, i just knew i gotta rip and tear

[soft turret]

The only one in Eternal

[wheat granite]

Yall remember that green spirit dog from that one level in doom eternal? I NEED to rally more people for this cause, we need to take it to Twitter. We need to convince the devs to add the original spirit dog to Doom Dark Ages and let us pet him.

I need more people on this and declare that we will boycott the game unless they let us pet the ghost ghost dog

[wheat jungle]

Hugo said himself on an interview about the demon designs trying to relate to doom 2

[wheat jungle]

Nope not boycotting, love doom too much

[wheat jungle]

Maybe we'll have other female variants

[formal frigate]

Yep

[wheat granite]

You can lie. Just say that you'll boycott it so they will add the dog

[soft turret]

2016 had the summoner which was basically a fem archvile

[wheat jungle]

Was that confirmed female?

[formal frigate]

Someone got hacked

💀

[wheat jungle]

Mods?

[spark leaf]

Dropped that and left

[reef walrus]

Mods need to deal with the goober.

[spark leaf]

jeez, I hope nobody clicked on it

[wheat jungle]

Lemme tell you how much I love doom.

I have bought every game THREE TIMES

[formal frigate]

I was tryna use reactions to say "SCAM"

[formal frigate]

Not enough

[wheat granite]

So imagine how better thr game will be WITH A DOG

I love doom also, I just want the dog 🐕

[formal frigate]

I can make a separate game where all you do is pet da dawg

[wheat granite]

I want my ghost dog tho

[formal frigate]

I might get assasinated by copyright strikes if i make a fangame

[wheat jungle]

Alright I'll buy 12 more double barrel pistol-grip shotguns and saw the barrel

[wheat granite]

If you get the fan game Canon somehow then yes please

[sand wharf]

I think Proteh's Horde Mode 2 has a dog - if I remember right. It's just loud and annoying, the AI doesn't work, it gets stuck on geometry and it barks all the time

[formal frigate]

Now we're talking

[wheat granite]

Nah I need the green ghost dog from doom eternal's lore and to pet it

[soft turret]

One of the designers said she was very much designed to resemble gowns worn by women during the middle ages

[formal frigate]

As long as i dont make money off the game i dont think bethesda will fry me like a mcchicken

[sand wharf]

It is green, lol

Also very ghostly

[wheat granite]

Regardless I want the dog in dark ages too lol

[soft turret]

Funny thing is, summoners are supposed to be a highly evolved imp

[wheat jungle]

And a differentiate between the designs of our fatboi

[soft turret]

Which means imps can evolve into weaker versions of archviles

[wheat granite]

I beg of you please 🐕

[wheat jungle]

Cause isn't that thr original idea?

[formal frigate]

I actually played eternal before 2016 so when i played 2016 and saw thr mancubus i was lik "wtf is this thing"

[wheat jungle]

Lol

[formal frigate]

Maybe but no promises, i'm still learning godot

[soft turret]

Also

Just learned og Doom II archviles are always confused bc they don't understand why anyone would want to kill him

[wheat granite]

Of course. I'm not expecting you create a game just cuz some random guy on discord said they want to pet a dog lol

[wheat jungle]

Unpopular opinion: sigil 1,2 and hellion are canon

[soft turret]

Probably LOL

[formal frigate]

Gdscript is very different from the other programming languages i have used because gdscript is python based, while i have only used languages like GML which are C based

[soft turret]

If u asked hugo on stream "is sigil canon" he would prolly say yes

[wheat jungle]

But Romero made it, he knows the story-

[wheat granite]

Oh nice! I know nothing about programming lol but from what little I do know I know its very complicated

[formal frigate]

Gtg

[soft turret]

Hugo goes by the rule of cool

Dude just be making shit up to add to the lore all the time

[wheat jungle]

Bit isn't that how storymaking works?

[wheat jungle]

Later my guy

[soft turret]

Yes, but a plan needs to be there for stuff to be comprehensible

That's why modern doom lore seems so incoherent at times

[crude hatch]

Remero has nothing to do with the story any longer

[wheat jungle]

That's why I said it was an unpopular opinion-

[soft turret]

Hugo was once asked "is there a higher God than Davoth" during one of the doom eternal streams and bro said "yea" without paying much attention

That day Davoth's creator was invented

[wheat jungle]

There has to be, davoth said he wasn't the first

Didn't he?

[soft turret]

When

No?

[wheat jungle]

Maybe I'm thinking of father

[soft turret]

The Father refers to him as the first being

[wheat jungle]

Ah

Canonicity is hard these days

[soft turret]

"He is the first being... and my creator. When he fell, I ascended." - The Father to the Slayer during the Davoth boss fight

[wheat jungle]

Then yes I was thinking of father

[outer quiver]

What, but Davod created Father

Davoth is the first being
Father betrayed him

[soft turret]

Read that again

Read that again

[outer quiver]

I just thought you made a mistake in sentance

[formal frigate]

As a writer i can confirm this is how you make lore

[cerulean saddle]

dark ages looks so badass its like they actually know what the player base wants

[placid saffron]

apparently, not more of the amazingly well received last game that many people praised as one of the best FPS they played, with only some that simply don't like the genre wrongly classifying it as "bad"

[jolly plume]

He does get excited to add random lore sometimes. But I identify with that. He humors lots of ideas, works with the ones he liked best

[ionic stream]

in the following derivation, "the rocket" is taken to mean "the rocket and all of its un burned propellant". newtons second law of motion relates to external forces ( {\desplaystyle F_{i},F_{i},) to the change in liner momentum of the whole system (includeing rocket and exhaust)

[delicate grotto]

I’m glad they’re going in a new direction. As much as I enjoy Eternal, its gameplay is pretty bloated. Sure they could’ve minimized what Eternal had, and refined certain mechanics to make a Doom Eternal 2.0, but wiping the slate clean and developing a different combat loop sounds like a wiser choice imo. TDA looks like a nice blend of 2016 and Eternal so far. Excited to see what comes of it.

[mint estuary]

and it makes a lot of sense too as eternal is when slayer is at his most powerful form

[placid saffron]

eternal's gameplay isn't really all that bloated, it flowed pretty well and could even have expanded on some areas like ammo management and better balance of weapon mods. It won't really be eternal 2.0 as the logical next step from 2016 > eternal > next theoretical game

[mint estuary]

yeah I was thinking while watching the recent interview that this guys are actually really good game designers

not that we cant see that already, but just seeing how they think about these things and approach it

[placid saffron]

lets hope that MS couldn't interfere too much with them

theres a huge gap in the market for well thought of complex shooters so more is always appreciated

[crude hatch]

Why are you making it sound like it’s bad they’re trying to do something different?

[placid saffron]

i'm not. But it's just not "more of what the fans want" if they're talking as if it's a continuation of eternal

[winter idol]

Hugo said they wanted the game to reflect more like the originals with it being slower and grounded. And i have to say I do enjoy slower more grounded shooters more than eternal dlcs

[hard thistle]

what

[crude hatch]

I suppose that’s true

[winter idol]

Its definitly the opposite direction of eternal

[placid saffron]

maybe it will have eternal's soft design philosophy of where you have to earn the power fantasy, but it absolutely will not be very like eternal

[hard thistle]

what

💀

[crude hatch]

Can you use your words?

[placid saffron]

what what

[hard thistle]

i am using words

[winter idol]

They are right tho

[placid saffron]

yeah but what are you exactly refering to with "what" because it's quite vague

[winter idol]

Many of the top fans wanted absurdly fast gameplay

[hard thistle]

idontwannareadallat

[crude hatch]

It’s literally a single sentence

[winter idol]

If you dont then why bother responding

[placid saffron]

it's barely anything???

[hard thistle]

nah

[winter idol]

Then dont respond

[placid saffron]

this convo is already more words...

[hard thistle]

hush

[crude hatch]

It’s not even a paragraph, which fun fact 3 sentences count as a paragraph

[crude hatch]

No I’m good thanks

[hard thistle]

not you

[winter idol]

i make the rules here, not you

[hard thistle]

mhm

shiver me timbers

[winter idol]

Anyway

Im actually very glad the game will be slower and have no dash

[crude hatch]

I think there is a point in which fast is too fast, trying to do absurdly fast gameplay could eventually alienate the fanbase

[winter idol]

Ima be honest

The dlcs were too fast for me

It got annoying

[hard thistle]

Never in my life would The Doom Slayer saying that

they were the same thing

[crude hatch]

No?

[placid saffron]

it's not really a bad thing to make niche games honestly, and that is sorely lacking in the AAA gamestage

[crude hatch]

The DLC’s and base game are very different in terms of speed

[winter idol]

The dlcs turned into constant dash spam and quick swapping, when i replay them i just smash the difficulty down to the lowest setting to play slower

The dlcs added enemies which needed to be killed quickly like spirits or green prowlers

Also the fucking blood angels

[placid saffron]

eh the spirit itself maybe, but a pos enemy you could just ignore till last

[crude hatch]

Yeah there definitely is the annoying factor of having multiple enemies that all require priority

[crisp holly]

Instead of a and d , we were given a shield

[hard thistle]

whats wrong with a shield

[winter idol]

Problem is when a posessed baron spawns and chases you around at warp speed

[crisp holly]

w h y

[hard thistle]

💀

[crude hatch]

I hated that, they were just frustrating bullet sponges

[winter idol]

Cause the shield is cool

[jagged terrace]

because it’s metal asf

[placid saffron]

it's only a problem if it happens multiple times really

[hard thistle]

it can do many things bro

[winter idol]

Oh all the falter and weakpoint mechanics you were taught? Nah heres a super fast annoying bullet sponge

[crude hatch]

Yeah making them immune to weak points, falter, freezing and chainsaws was a dick move

[winter idol]

Its not fun to fight them, it basically forces you to quick swap them down

[crisp holly]

Well, we didn't need a shield before, we dodged all the shells and bullets with dash and the fact that we were strafing in the air

[placid saffron]

making them still falterable sometimes would have been a bit better yeah, but no freeze/chainsaw/no instadestroyable weakpoints are all not bad

[crude hatch]

This game isn’t going in that direction of speed

[hard thistle]

are you mad about it???

[winter idol]

We will dodge projectiles in the new game too, infact more so since they move so slow now. Shield seems to be more for interacting with enemies like slamming and parrys

[crisp holly]

y e s

[placid saffron]

i don't think the game is going into any direction of speed yeah, which sounds pretty dumb with the huge open arenas we have seen so far

[hard thistle]

.

[placid saffron]

also seems that verticality seems to be gone which is... quite sad. Basically removes an entire dimension of movement

[winter idol]

I think arenas will end up being more like 2016 arenas

[crisp holly]

projectiles have become slower, God

[crude hatch]

I feel like they probably are gonna do something about that, it’s too early to assume they’ll overlook that issue

[wind dew]

The 2 Marauders surrounded by the zombies that buffed them in DLC 2 is what I hated the most

[winter idol]

Buff zombies were shit

[crude hatch]

*screechers 🤓

[placid saffron]

they shouldn't have touched HP, and in return should've attracted lock on rockets

[winter idol]

I completely forgot their name and their existence

[crude hatch]

They get a pass cause they’re purple 🤤

[crisp holly]

I went through this moment on a nightmare many times and it was quite a passable and difficult challenge, the complexity of doom is the main feature

[placid saffron]

makes it so that if one is triggered you're less likely to just ignore the encounter for the duration lmfao, and soft-nerfs an OP weaponmod whilst still letting you use it tactically if you can station an enemy inbetween

[winter idol]

Instead of buff zombies, they should have just exploded and caused player damage or something

[hard thistle]

who here has watched doom dark ages trailer

[winter idol]

Thats a strange question to ask

[hard thistle]

how

[crude hatch]

So a sorta reverse cue ball?

[wind dew]

Everyone

[crisp holly]

all people here

[placid saffron]

tbf considering they can't read 2 sentences, i think not having watched the full trailer yet is in character

[wind dew]

Everyone in this server

[winter idol]

Yea maybe

[crude hatch]

Who me?

[placid saffron]

no that guy that asked who hasn't seen the trailer yet

[crude hatch]

Oh

[hard thistle]

who

[crude hatch]

Ngl, they should use the screecher concept art for this one, it would fit so well dude

[crisp holly]

has dash ever been shown in the trailer?

[crude hatch]

I would implore you to check it out

[hard thistle]

with shield yes

[placid saffron]

with the shield kind of, so eh

[winter idol]

Its a shield charge meant to smash enemies which i think is very cool

Still have a movement option but its far more interactive than the dash

[crisp holly]

I have very big doubts about the new doom, only 2 weapons were shown in the trailer, doomguy does not fly around the entire location like a madman, demons have become darker and darker, and the medieval style is completely new for the entire series

even if there were guards, knights, and such similar things in doom eternal, but not castles and a fur coat on the main character

[wind dew]

When do you think they will do preorders for Collectors Editions? I can’t remember how far out from release they did Eternals

[placid saffron]

hugo talkedf about another weapon in one of the intervieuws iirc
yeah, they don't want interesting movement to be a main point anymore. Only basic on the ground strafing it seems
style doesn't really matter, plus like have you played eternal lol. Enough sentinel aesthetic there

taras nabad IS a castle, a fur coat is whatever

[pearl harbor]

i reckon they will reveal it at quake con like they did once at that show convention in 2019, cant remember what it was called

[crude hatch]

Castles have existed in doom since the first game what are you talking about?

Doom as always had its hand in weird medieval shit or gothic design

[winter idol]

Bruh, 4 weapons were shown in the trailer

5 if you include melee

[crude hatch]

It’s also the first trailer god forbid they don’t show every single thing

[winter idol]

Remember eternals first reveal trailer? Showed practically nothing

[pearl harbor]

what about frags? or freezes?

[placid saffron]

tbf the "only 2 guns" rot in FPS has an immeasurable stain on the entire genre, fair to be afraid of it

[crude hatch]

They could use grenades, but definitely not freezes

[crisp holly]

well, in the last game, both in Taras nabad and in the location with the boss, the second one seemed to be bright, more fantastic and remote from the earth

[crude hatch]

I could see night sentinels creating argent grenades

[winter idol]

Second one?

[crisp holly]

In the new game, everything is covered with vegetation and lighting, the terrain is close to reality, not another dimension

[wind dew]

Hopefully Dark ages releases in March like Eternal

[placid saffron]

the game's setting does not hamper the gameplay at all. People have to stop pretending like they have that matter more then the gameplay

[winter idol]

Taras nabad was basically a big castle what?

[crude hatch]

Doom 3 had plenty of castles and dark settings?

[placid saffron]

sounds like... literally argent d'nur

[winter idol]

Also sentinel prime had a gladitorial arena

[crude hatch]

Again I don’t understand why it being dark or whatever is a problem lmao, doom has always had these elements

[pearl harbor]

forgetting exultia?

[winter idol]

Bro forgot half the game lmao

[wind dew]

I watched an interview with Hugo. He said Dark Ages is about standing your ground and fighting. Getting close and personal like a tank. He said its gonna feel more like classic Doom than either 2016 or Eternal

[placid saffron]

tbf people complained when the game was "cartoonish" despite OG doom being very cartoonish and colourful too lol

[crude hatch]

Lacking any amount of critical thinking come on lmao

[winter idol]

I must say, i do like the gritty lighting better, my issue with eternal wasnt the colors but rather the use of shadows, or the lack there of in most levels

[crude hatch]

How are people this blind?

[placid saffron]

it works and almost "has to" in eternal because eternal is a fast paced game, you want things to be clear to the player in an eyecatch

[crude hatch]

That’s a fair point

[winter idol]

Yea i get that

[placid saffron]

with slower games you can afford to have more "realistic" grim lighting because even if the player doesn't see something, it won't matter untill a minute later

[winter idol]

I just thought the shadows and use of light in 2016 were far more striking

[pearl harbor]

now that concerns me now. They may hide demons in dark corners and they could wipe you clean cause you didnt see them in a dark area area

[winter idol]

The game isnt THAT dark

Neither was 2016

[placid saffron]

if the game is slower paced that simply isn't the case

[crude hatch]

At the end of the day, dark ages has shown exactly one trailer and some information by word of mouth, it’s best to just wait instead of complaining or praising it too much

[winter idol]

(Im already praising it as better than eternal lmao)

[pearl harbor]

im not saying that. i said as the convo was going that made me think no dark spots are bad and i dont want that

[crisp holly]

well, if the game has dynamic and fast gameplay, then I will forget about everything that surrounds the player, but there are already concerns about the gameplay

[placid saffron]

again, it only matters for fast paced games. If DA wants to be a game where simple strafing is enough an "enemy hiding in the dark" isn't a big issue

[crude hatch]

THEN YOU ARE LOST

[winter idol]

“Fast” is a generic term, what parts do you want to be fast?

[pearl harbor]

i hate realistic lighting.

[crude hatch]

Dead space remake 🤤

[pearl harbor]

dead space is an exception in using realistic lighting

[winter idol]

The dlcs designs in eternal frustrated me so much that it kinda soured my experience. Its just me but slower arena shooters have been tickling my fancy after eternal

[crisp holly]

movement, shooting, the behavior of opponents, so that everything happens quickly, as in eternal, but with changes, even if they slow down the pace a little

[crude hatch]

Understandable

[crude hatch]

Having doom eternal 2 would kinda suck though

[pearl harbor]

the first dlc was tailor to the fans who wanted more and harder fights

[winter idol]

Well honestly its probably going to play more around the speed of 2016 than eternal.

[placid saffron]

no? unless it was actually just eternal with a 2 plastered on it which it won't be

[crude hatch]

It’s more fun to keep trying new things then to just stick to one formula

[pearl harbor]

oops replied to the wrong one

[wind dew]

Have you tried turning down the difficulty?

[crude hatch]

I liked eternal but I don’t want the next game to just be that but a new story

[winter idol]

I have, my problem is with how the design forces you to go too fast

[placid saffron]

"have you simply tried turning down the difficulty, which still leaves in gameplay desicions you didn't like" 🤓

[crude hatch]

Difficulty only affects damage (and maybe enemy speed Im not sure)

[delicate grotto]

From the looks and sounds of it, TDA is going to be about the same pace as 2016, with some Eternal elements.

[placid saffron]

but it won't be, it would be updated

[crude hatch]

To what, just be faster? More mechanics that bloat it?

[winter idol]

Blood maykers are an example i like to use, basically the only way to kill them is to wait for a weakspot opening then shoot it, its not fun

[wind dew]

I feel it will be slightly faster but not by much. Especially if you can use that shield bash in the trailer like a dash after a short cooldown

[placid saffron]

also, from what we've seen DA literally seems to be extremely close to 2016 so it's still "following the same formuka"

[placid saffron]

eternal isn't bloated, and it can be a bit faster
it's not bad to have niche games like a complicated yet well balanced shooter

[crude hatch]

Idk that parry system looking mighty fun

[crude hatch]

I’m not saying eternal is bloated, I’m saying there’s a chance it could BECOME bloated if they just do another one of it

[crisp holly]

doom has always been fast, even if the gameplay slows down if non-standard chips are added, the main thing is that it should be similar to what it already was, so that it would be in a new way, but also interesting and dynamic

[delicate grotto]

Yeah, cool enemy, but super gimmicky

[placid saffron]

DA won't be cod slow, it would just be about 2016/OG games/doom3/doom 64 slow

[pearl harbor]

blood maykrs i can agree with. i still struggle with them on nightmare

[winter idol]

Idk, eternal dlcs got pretty bloated with weird hyper specific enemies that forced you down a certain path instead of leaving it open to approach combat depending on each unique situation

[crude hatch]

Doom hasn’t always been eternal fast tho

[crude hatch]

Yeah exactly

[delicate grotto]

It’s going to be. Doom 2016 —> Eternal had a few jumps in the gameplay but both games still shared core gameplay elements. TDA doesn’t seem to be deviating from that. It’s just going to be a different combat flow

[crude hatch]

Like it might be machine games wolfenstine speed, which I wouldn’t hate cause those games slap

[winter idol]

The “interesting and dynamic” part is the new shield parry / charge system, along with melee being a viable weapon in certain instances

[crude hatch]

I mentioned this before, but the parry seems like an idea they really liked while making eternal but they’ve improved and refined it since then

[delicate grotto]

If Eternal didn’t exist people would not be calling TDA slow lol

[crude hatch]

Or I assume they will at least

[winter idol]

I like the “stand and fight” gameplay they are going for

[wind dew]

I think Hugo said Doom Eternal is the fastest it can be. By which I mean Doom in general. I think Eternal is the ceiling. The only way to make it faster would be to have Slayer move like he has haste on the entire game

[crude hatch]

Yeah, making the character an immovable object rather than an unstoppable force

[placid saffron]

yeah obv. If the previous game didn't raise the bar noone would complain when it gets lowered again
same thinghappened with tag2 after tag1. People complained it was too easy because compared to tag1, it Was

[crude hatch]

Actually that’s the perfect way to explain the difference between eternal and dark ages holy crap

[delicate grotto]

I don’t think the bar is being lowered by slowing it down, but I can understand why some people might be disappointed with the new direction

[winter idol]

Hugo did say we would “hit harder” so who knows

[crude hatch]

My theory is that, you’ll be slower but hit like a tank, literally lmao

[winter idol]

Im just glad id software basically makes a completely different game every time

[pearl harbor]

im hoping we can use the charge mechanic for interesting movement strats

[wind dew]

Dark Ages had me and Mechs and Dragons. They make everything better

[placid saffron]

the bar of speed is being lowered*

[delicate grotto]

Ah gotcha

[placid saffron]

(or they are awkward game sections where on replays you just want to get it over with because the gameplay doesn't flow through them)

[winter idol]

With the addition of the skull crusher, i think there will be many open areas with lots of enemies and simpler arenas

[placid saffron]

i hope the gameplay just won't be dumb if they do that

[delicate grotto]

I wonder if there’ll still be lock-down type arenas in TDA

Maybe fewer, but I can’t imagine everything will be unrestricted

[winter idol]

Havent shown any in the trailer but i expect there to be some

[crude hatch]

A concept that could be fun are argent upgrades for your melee weapons

[delicate grotto]

Agreed on that. I still have my suspicions, as cool as the idea is.

[winter idol]

I do think they are throwing traditional level structure out the window though

[crude hatch]

Making your weapons infused with argent energy could be a bit neat

[placid saffron]

MS will never escape my "corporate greed" accusations if doom becomes dumbified

[winter idol]

Specifically when hugo said you will return to areas

Specifically when hugo said you will return to areas

Why did you send that twice discord?

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I get the concern about MS lol

[winter idol]

Microsoft cant even manage their own console or first party games, they will have no impact on doom at all

[crisp holly]

It's always been run and fight

[winter idol]

Well thats probably why they are changing it

If its fun and well designed, who cares if its different

[crisp holly]

and about this, I'm sad that the gameplay is becoming more unlike doom, maybe I'm too used to the original concept, but the new doom scares me

If there's no multiplayer, I'll cut myself up.

[soft turret]

Every Doom aside from 1 and 2 are pretty different

I like that, the series constantly mixes itself up

[crisp holly]

but anyway doom is fast

[winter idol]

unlike doom

Bro the originals are slower and grounded

If anything its MORE like doom

[pearl harbor]

wouldnt be fun if it was repetitive gameplay. i like how the gunplay is different in each game. makes it unique and refreshing

[soft turret]

Circle-straffing around a giant ball of demons with one gun is nothing like flying across the arena

[crude hatch]

Who gives a shit about multiplayer?

[winter idol]

Multiplayer has been a novelty in 2016 and eternal

I couldnt care less if its gone

[soft turret]

I only ever played a few battlemode matches and a total of 0 mp matches in 2016

[crude hatch]

The only good that came out of the multiplayer in eternal was more weapon and slayer skins, as those were pretty fun

[soft turret]

I don't even know how the mp in 2016 works lol

[crude hatch]

I think it’s basically halo but demon power ups

[soft turret]

Well Halo is an arena shooter so expected

[crude hatch]

I meant the multiplayer side of it

[soft turret]

I know

Halo is still an arena shooter, just not the same as quake

[hard thistle]

Mp sucks

[crisp holly]

the original doom games were also fast, starting with the first game, in doom 2016 there was the same gameplay, and in eternal everything became only faster and more deadly

[hard thistle]

Did wolfenstein have multiplayer?

[soft turret]

lol at 2016 and doom 1993 gameplay being the same

1992?

[crude hatch]

But doom 2016 wasn’t fast so, how do they have the same gameplay?

[cyan lotus]

doom 3: 2025

[crude hatch]

I kinda wanna try doom 3

[cyan lotus]

peak!

[soft turret]

2016 was pretty fast for a shooter, I would say faster than Doom 1993

1993 is not all that fast

[winter idol]

Og doom was slower than 2016

[winter idol]

Have you played the originals? Cause they arent super fast

[soft turret]

I know shooters that don't pride themselves in being fast that feel faster than the first 2 dooms

[crude hatch]

Oh my bad

[crisp holly]

doom 2016 was fast, even if there was no dash, but still the game forced you to quickly change weapons, dodge everything that flies at you, quickly aim at all enemies, come up with an approach to each of them

[winter idol]

Call of duty advanced warfare was faster than OG doom

[soft turret]

OG doom's only fast element is the rocket up the ass walking speed but that hardly translates to the rest of the gameplay

[terse bolt]

Given they’re clearly something planned from the start (they wanted to do it in tag 2) I doubt they’ll feel like an afterthought

Still could well be undercooked but I have high hopes

[pearl harbor]

OG doom was fast you could run around on crack

[soft turret]

Fast walking speed ≠ fast gameplay

Half-Life 1 has a fast walking speed and no one calls it a fast shooter

[crisp holly]

I went through the first two games, they are dynamic, not like the later parts of doom, but still moving around the arena, memorizing demons, dodging projectiles, it was all fast

[terse bolt]

Dynamic does not mean fast

[soft turret]

Circle-straffing around demons wow so fast

[terse bolt]

Doom 3 was dynamic and the same speed as classic doom

[winter idol]

And thats the same idea in dark ages

[terse bolt]

Yet people call it slow

[winter idol]

Idk why you think its going to be slower than the originals

[soft turret]

In doom 1 and 2 the only fast element is doomguy's legs

[crisp holly]

At the same time, in the new trailer, slayer just goes forward, protects himself with a shield, shoots at enemies while walking straight

[soft turret]

Everything else is too slow for a fast shooter

[terse bolt]

Look at doom 2016 pre release footage

[winter idol]

Bro, its a trailer lmao

[crude hatch]

One trailer

[terse bolt]

It was linear movement so they could do cool transitions

[crude hatch]

I wonder if it’s because they’re trying to show off mechanics and enemies, no that can’t be it, must be that the game just sucks

[terse bolt]

Or not linear, but basic

[winter idol]

https://youtu.be/RO90omga8D4?si=x8AXWlJ7LEgl6qmB

[crisp holly]

I'm timid, I'm very used to the gameplay of eternal and the elements that have just shown me are already alarming

[winter idol]

What about this looks faster than dark ages?

[crisp holly]

Walking through the corridors with a flashlight, with a slow movement speed, I've never liked this

[pearl harbor]

2016 is slow as to me now after playing eternal plenty of times i just cant play 2016 anymore and it too slow for me now.

[terse bolt]

USE THE SPRINT BUTTON

[winter idol]

Im going to replay 2016 for the first time in years and see if i cant play it or not

[terse bolt]

you’ve immediately lost this argument by saying you don’t like doom 3 around doom 3 lovers

[crisp holly]

Well, even so, horror in the doom universe is strange

[delicate grotto]

Bruh

[terse bolt]

it isn’t, doom 1 and 2 tried to have horror elements but failed due to limitations

[delicate grotto]

Doom 3 is a modernization of Doom 1, which was originally supposed to be horror-focused.

[soft turret]

Inb4 someone calls doom 3 survival horror

I will lose my marbles

[crisp holly]

It wasn't scary there, but atmospheric, and it wasn't meant to be scary there.

[pearl harbor]

clearly people have lost the understanding of having an opinion or a say. i dont like doom 3 either. Am i wrong to say that?

[winter idol]

I have never played doom 3 and I never will

[soft turret]

It was. John Carmack literally designed Doom 3 with Doom 1's original vision.

[terse bolt]

Doom 3 was a way to make the original vision for doom come true while also expanding on what people liked

[terse bolt]

Why

[soft turret]

No. You'd be wrong to say it isn't a real Doom game.

[crisp holly]

this vision was adopted by the 2016 remake

[winter idol]

Enemies and characters look like melted plastic and i just dont like that older visual style of games

[crude hatch]

I’m sorry what ?

[pearl harbor]

i acknowledge its a doom game but to me its the weakest in the franchise

[delicate grotto]

Doom 3 was my first Doom game so I am biased, lol. Scared the shit out of me when I tried it out

[crude hatch]

Doom has always been a horror franchise what the fuck are you talking about?

[terse bolt]

fun fact doom 2016 has a couple jumpscares in it, like in Res Ops

[winter idol]

2016 had some creepy areas in it

[soft turret]

So you're telling me modern id, with totally different employees, had more of an idea about Doom 1's original vision than one of Doom 1's main creators

[crude hatch]

Doom 64 is super unnerving and creepy

[soft turret]

❓

[lucid fractal]

I just recently got Doom 3 via the collection with 1, 2, 3, and 2016 because I felt particularly Doom-y. So far, the best way for me to rationalize it, it's essentially "Doom, but you're not Doomguy" like Halo 3: ODST was just "Halo, but you're not Chief". I understand the dislike for Doom 3 though. It's a bit... slow.

[crisp holly]

the moment when a weak zombie scares you, to which even the main character does not react, and after which you shoot him, it's not very scary

[terse bolt]

Still, it’s trying to have horror

It fails, but it’s still trying

[cyan lotus]

doom eternal imo is actually the exception of the franchise, without debate I’d say they’re prioritizing the combat loop over atmosphere

[pearl harbor]

would it be more Thriller?

[soft turret]

Not really. Doom 3 has its own Doomguy, it is a modernization of the original vision of Doom 1993.

[crisp holly]

if the developers wanted to make a horror, they would have done it, but no, this is a fast shooter about killing hordes of demons, the game is not too dark and scary, the game damn has weapons that destroy all life, how can it be scary

[crude hatch]

Yeah it isn’t trying to be scary at all, while all the others attempted or were scary at the time

[crude hatch]

Media literacy at its finest

[soft turret]

Doom 3 is not a spin-off, it was the 2000s version of Doom 2016

Not comparable with ODST

[winter idol]

have you read what people are trying to say? the original vision of 1993 doom was to be scary

[soft turret]

Doom 3 is just modern Doom 1993, that was literally the very idea since the beginning of 3's development

[crude hatch]

It was scary for its time, dark hallways, screaming monsters, gore and violence, that was supposed to be a horror game for the 90’s

[soft turret]

And I'm pretty sure Carmack of all people should know that

[crisp holly]

even so, the subsequent parts did not adopt this, and the developers of the original doom also understood this

[delicate grotto]

Yet most fans seem to prefer Doom 2016’s atmosphere, which was a lot more gritty and dark
Almost like that works better.

[winter idol]

how do you know they "understood this"? are you just making that up?

[soft turret]

Some Doom fans do

[crude hatch]

Stop trying to act like because eternal did something that means every game did it

[cyan lotus]

so now you’re admitting that the modern iterations are the outliers for not adopting something prevalent in the original games

[crisp holly]

they created eternal where there are no horror elements

[winter idol]

uhhhhh

no, they didnt

[crude hatch]

The only one with no horror, hm almost like it’s an outlier

[cyan lotus]

From John Romero's DOOM Guy:

I wanted to extend the horror, tension, gore, and violence of Wolfenstein 3-D, to make a faster, more brutal, kill-or-be-killed game.

We wanted more textures and lighting. As a horror movie fan, I knew that shadows and light were tools to increase tension, to boost the fear factor, and to introduce elements of surprise. I wanted these tools in our games.

We wanted a shadowy, grim, foreboding ambiance, a look and feel to foment Stephen King-level horror suspense. We wanted nothing but blood, fear, and fast action. We wanted Aliens. **We wanted Evil Dead. **

[soft turret]

Bro gotta be off the perc 3 million because he is not admitting defeat

[winter idol]

most OG devs left before 2016 was even made

[crude hatch]

Again, stop speaking as if because eternal did something that means every game before did it

[crude hatch]

Holy shit, what’s this? Doom wanted to be a horror franchise? Imagine my shock

[soft turret]

In conclusion; Doom 3 is the technologically advanced version of Doom 1. We rest our case.

[delicate grotto]

And honestly, Doom Eternal’s environmental storytelling has some horrific stuff. But it’s not focused on

[crude hatch]

I mean yeah

[crisp holly]

to make a faster, more brutal, kill-or-be-killed game.

[crude hatch]

I’m glad you ignored the entire thing

[crisp holly]

We wanted nothing but blood, fear, and fast action.

[delicate grotto]

Brick wall

[crisp holly]

It was supposed to be scary and fast.

Even if it's scary, it's bloody and fast

[crude hatch]

Holy shit they even wanted to emulate the literal king of horror what more evidence do you need

[winter idol]

wasnt quakes design more like modern doom than og doom?

[soft turret]

Read me a stephen king work where the protagonist is a meth injected super soldier ima wait

[cyan lotus]

yes

[light hedge]

They wanted to emulate the grim feel of Stephen King’s books.

[soft turret]

Guess which Doom did that the best

[light hedge]

Imma have to say doom 3

[soft turret]

✅

[light hedge]

Doom 64 gave a grim/dark feel, at least for me

[soft turret]

It wss pretty good, yeah.

Doom 64 is the literal Doom 3, Doom 3 is a reboot.

[light hedge]

Yeah

People give doom 3 grief, I find it more enjoyable when I accept it for what it is, a dark slower paced game. Even though it is different, I still think it is a great game

That slower pace is also made from me not using the sprint button though

[soft turret]

You really should.

When you're in the Hell levels Doom 3 even removes stamina for infinite sprint

The story calls it the "Hercules effect"

[light hedge]

I did not notice that, I just thought that the sprint was just taken away, good to know.

[soft turret]

Doom 3 can be pretty fast if you use the movement correctly

[soft turret]

Yeah, it's actually the other way around which is cool

[light hedge]

The same can be said for every other doom game, but a lot of people in the gaming space just don’t even try to use to correctly. And when the gameplay is not fun because of their mess ups, they think the game is either slow or just bad. (I do know that some games are just objectively not fun because they were poorly made)

[soft turret]

Yeah. A lot of people resort to calling them bad, instead of just admitting they might not be for them.

[severe sable]

whuts goin omn

[soft turret]

Doom targets a slightly more niche space of the fps fanbase first and foremost

Then it focuses on the broader fps community

[severe sable]

bro i feel like doom the dark ages is if ceasers leigon in fallout nv took over the doom universe or smth

[sonic turret]

Yeah, OG Quake had a nice aesthetic.

[jolly plume]

Aside from the skull crusher, I wanna see other demonic weapons in the game. I was a big fan of Eternal's rocket launcher and I will always have a soft spot for the reaper in 2016's multiplayer

And maybe there'll be wraith weapons too. I wanna see those things too

[empty furnace]

i just wish eternals rocket luncher had more ammo

[jolly plume]

Yeah. I can never get enough rockets

[gusty owl]

I was hoping for a sequel game for Doom Eternal except that it won’t be but maybe later on in the coming years if The Dark Ages is successful.

[soft turret]

I doubt it

But they could if they make up something new

[neon perch]

Eternal's rocket launcher is so good.

[soft turret]

Let's just see

[soft turret]

ikr

[neon perch]

wonder what the RL equivalent will be for TDA.

[soft turret]

Hmmm

[sweet slate]

This can possibly be open world

[soft turret]

Maybe they just design one with a sentinel aesthetic

The Sentinels are medieval only by culture after all

Or maybe an energy based one, kinda

[plain moon]

Do demons even still exist after TAG2?

[soft turret]

like the incineration cannon from halo, which is the forerunner equivalent to the human rocket launcher

[soft turret]

Yes. They just got locked away in Hell, unable to leave their home dimension.

[plain moon]

Oh ok

[sonic turret]

I'm thinking maybe the Unmaykr. The Deag took his weapons from him I believe, but perhaps he earns it back once he becomes a Sentinel Knight.

[winter idol]

makes me wonder if super weapons will make a return

[soft turret]

Maybe

Would be a bold move to make a Doom without a BFG tho

[winter idol]

true, its been in more doom games than the super shotgun

[sonic turret]

Sure, they can easily keep the Unmaykr instead of the BFG.

[soft turret]

Yeah, they can

[winter idol]

it has been in literally every single doom game tho

[sonic turret]

Or add something new.

[soft turret]

But the Unmaykr/Unmaker has only been in 2 doom games

[sonic turret]

All the more reason for a change.

[soft turret]

The BFG has been there since Doom 1

Shit the BFG even was in both movies!

[winter idol]

it may get changed back to how it was in doom 1 but with far less damage and minimal ammo

[soft turret]

There's not one single piece of doom media without it 😭

[sonic turret]

I mean there's no reason why it wouldn't be in DA.

[soft turret]

They can just make a sentinel imitation

Call it something like

[sonic turret]

I mean he was relieved of his weapons, but as far as we know, they were probably in storage, or being reversed engineered by Argenta scientists to incorporate in their own tech, like the mechs etc.

[soft turret]

"Argenta's sun"

[winter idol]

oh yea theres no UAC as far as we know so they would need to have someone else make it

[sonic turret]

He still had his weapons at the end of Doom 64, but they were taken from him by the Deag when he was apprehended.

Before he was thrown in the colisseum etc.

That's how he managed to get his SSG back in Eternal

[winter idol]

eternal ssg and doom 64 ssg arent the same

[sonic turret]

So they're all probably lying around somewhere.

[winter idol]

i assume it will probably be manufactured by sentinels or maykrs instead

[soft turret]

I prefer it be manufactured by sentinels

[sonic turret]

All I know is that Vega told hims that the Eternal SSG was a relic from his past, which indicates to me that he'd previously possessed it at some point.

[soft turret]

Yes. But when you have been in Hell for that long, many things become relics.

[winter idol]

Yea but lets be honest here, id software have a loose continunity between the classics and modern titles

weapon and demon designs change every game

not always for lore reasons

[soft turret]

While it would be cool to see a high quality version of the doom 64 bfg

I would prefer to see a sentinel designed BFG

[winter idol]

im so happy they are replacing most of the weapons

who knows, they may replace the bfg too

[soft turret]

They will but we definitely need something similar

[tough parrot]

DOOM
GOOD

[sonic turret]

I mean if the cells are based on argent energy, or if the Sentinels manage to reverse enigineer or, or he somehow manages to acquire his old one, there are several possibilities for it's return.

[sonic turret]

Like I said, the Unmaykr, it uses the same BFG Energy cells in Eternal right?

[soft turret]

The Sentinels are very much capable of making one of their own without reverse-engineering, they are more advanced than humanity by thousands of years.

[tough parrot]

Really hope they will call it Skull Grinder and not Skull Crusher.
When I hear skull crusher I immediately think about a mace, a war hammer or a skull crusher pommel for a knife or a sword.

[sonic turret]

Then he probably won't need the BFG in this game. 🤷

[soft turret]

?

[sonic turret]

If Sentinel tech already surpasses UAC tech, then the BFG may be obsolete.

[soft turret]

The BFG is the absolute pinnacle of the UAC, and it isn't standard issue for the military.

[tough parrot]

A DOOM game without a super weapon?

[sonic turret]

But my money's still on the Unmaykr unmayking a return.

[soft turret]

There's no reason why the Sentinels wouldn't have a BFG that just happens to be more common.

We also know the Sentinels are more advanced because they fared better against Hell than us.

[sonic turret]

Yeah but if he's been training with the Sentinels and is using their tech, then that's a different story.

[winter idol]

it will probably be that they made a one of a kind copy of the bfg or something like that, nothing too lore intensive

[sonic turret]

I mean they'd probably have something of equivalent strength, but u doubt they'd call it a BFG.

[soft turret]

Yeah

Maybe like "The Sword of the Wraiths"

Or something like that

[sonic turret]

That's why I suggested that they might try to reverse engineer his weaponry, not because it's any more powerful or any weaker, but simply because it's differens and the scientists would naturally be curious about the Slayers seemingly alien technology.

[winter idol]

well we already know they reverse engineered the ssg to make new ones

[soft turret]

Honestly, it's funny bc

The SSG is so primitive compared to sentinel tech

[sonic turret]

However from the trailer, his weaponry seems to more rudimentary the the whole, which is why I think the Unmaykr will return, because the original Unmaykr was made from bone and sinew.

[winter idol]

i wouldnt say primitive, more like the sentinels are advanced in some ways but primitive in others

[winter idol]

the accelerator is sentinel tech

[soft turret]

Well, their culture is the equivalent of alien medieval europe

So yeah

[sonic turret]

Sure, but I'm not seeing him use much Sentinel tech in the trailer, oh the plasma gun type thing.

But obviously he trained with them and iwll have the Atlan at some point.

[winter idol]

yea

also the railspike is sentinel tech

[sonic turret]

It just makes more sense to have primitive weapons in Hell, which is ancient and more advanced weapons on Sentinel Prime etc.

I'm guessing that he might be able to find a BFG in the Mars location from the trailer.

[winter idol]

the whole shtick of the slayer is that he dosnt need to train with weapons

[soft turret]

justifiable tho since we still use crossbows despite having much better tech (ik the railspike resembles a nail gun more, but in principle they r similar)

[sonic turret]

According to m0no, he doesn't have the weapons because he likes them, he has them because he needs them.

I mean I'm guessing that fists and feet can only get him so far.

[winter idol]

yes, i mean he dosnt need to train to understand how to use a weapon to its fullest capability

[soft turret]

Jimmy is not saying that, he's just saying the Slayer is a genius at learning how to use a weapon on the fly

[sonic turret]

Sure, I mean I'd imagined that the weapons in the trailer were field weapons that he'd synthesised on the fly while stuck in Hell.

[flat quail]

Is the old super shotgun in doom the dark ages a lever action?,because how does he load it one handed?

[soft turret]

Could be

Or it could also be boomer shooter logic

[flat quail]

True

[hard thistle]

Thought that was just a plasma rifle

[winter idol]

its not, hugo said its a different weapon

[hard thistle]

Damn

[soft turret]

It might be the sentinel equivalent maybe

[hard thistle]

I want the Unmaykr and ballista and rocket launcher

Those all fit this games style

[soft turret]

Ballista is literally sentinel tech lol so it would be odd to not bring it back

[winter idol]

ballista is probably replaced by the rail spike

[harsh egret]

i think the skullcrusher is the new unmaykr kekw

[sonic turret]

I'm willing to bet that the Unmaykr will be in it. As for the ballista, I think in medieval times, a ballista was actually something like a catapult.

[harsh egret]

but less "op" and more of a normal weapon

[soft turret]

This could be true

[winter idol]

a single target high damage shot, would be pointless to bring back the ballista with the rail spike already in game

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-orpheus-onwaaard-the-gamers-larp-ttrpg-gif-17217549

[soft turret]

Reminds of Halo Infinite replacing the Spartan Laser the the brute Skewer

[sonic turret]

This is a ballista, so yeah, the nail gun will probably replace it.

[soft turret]

Laser weapon replaced by a weapon that launches a spear

[harsh egret]

highly doubt the unmaykr is making a return rly, the skullcrusher seems to be too similar to it and the unmaykr wasnt a particularly popular weapon as it was

[soft turret]

I do want a rocket launcher equivalent tho

There has to be a rocket launcher and bfg equivalents

[harsh egret]

doom isnt doom without a bfg

[high pendant]

doom guy might still have his bfg

[harsh egret]

very curious to see how they make it look with the new theme of the game

[high pendant]

cuz these might be events that occur after he gets discovered by the once priests of urdak and then its the transition from doom guy to doom slayer thus explaining how doom 2016 suit came into action

[tough parrot]

I wonder what type of rocket/grenade launcher we will have in this game, still need to shoot explosives somehow

[sonic turret]

Sure, but I'm not sure they're using direct equivalents to each known weapon, they may be starting from scratch and doing their own thing.

And similarity that we find may be coincidental.

[soft turret]

Maybe the rocket launcher will be energy based

[high pendant]

it could be the same rocket launcher from doom 64 but upgraded

[tough parrot]

NO !!!!!

[soft turret]

it can still explode tho

[sonic turret]

I kinda thought the accelerator would fulfil that role

The rocket launcher is a projectile weapon.

[high pendant]

way too much energy based weapons its time we use the raw industrial brutal weapons

like the ones from the original doom and doom 2016

[sonic turret]

DishooM: The Dark Ages

[soft turret]

There's ways to make rocket launcher equivalents with energy

[tough parrot]

less energy weapons please, more fire and shrapnel.

[high pendant]

[crude hatch]

The night sentinels heavily use argent energy

[high pendant]

good one roight there

[soft turret]

Fuel rod gun and incinerator cannon from halo are good examples of this

The sentinels use a lot of energy for their weapons so

[crude hatch]

Yeah it makes sense for their weapons to use a lot of energy

Don’t know why this is such a surprise

[tough parrot]

SkullGrinder is all about shrapnel

[sonic turret]

I mean the energy weapons are basically like having the Brahmastra, which is okay for an Atlan scenario, but I think Hell, he might have to knock together whatever he can find from the existing raw material.

[hard thistle]

I want a sniper rifle again