the-dark-ages

[shrewd zinc]

14$ actuaally

[primal storm]

that's quite the difference

[shrewd zinc]

The thing is the second you unsubscribe you can’t play them

[primal storm]

i doubt the owner will have any pocket money

[shrewd zinc]

so it’s either you constantly pay them or you pay them all at once

[bright salmon]

wait why ur pfp like this

[winter idol]

game pass has thousands of games that i dont want to play

[bright salmon]

same

[primal storm]

the most random and unheared ones

[cyan lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-spongebob-tv-tv-spongebob-fish-at-tv-spongebob-gif-13592243222089546646

[shrewd zinc]

lmao

[bright salmon]

I play ark

[cyan lotus]

Xbox when they put everything on gamepass and realize they could’ve made more money by being greedy

[primal storm]

atleast minecraft is free on xbox

[shrewd zinc]

Be glad they weren’t

[bright salmon]

TRUE

[cyan lotus]

also goku is in this gif for some reason

[winter idol]

xbox was bleeding money until they bought activision

[primal storm]

he's everywhere

[shrewd zinc]

I’d rather have a struggling studio than a greedy one

because at least the struggling one actually cares for their games and doesn’t just make cash grabs

[bright salmon]

REMEMBER ULTRA INSTINCT

[rancid mulch]

nah but what if the struggling studio struggles too much and they have to shutdown..

[shrewd zinc]

Then they shut down

Oh well it was gonna happen one day anyways

[cold oriole]

Probably gonna be poking a big hornet nest here buuut who would be doing the soundtrack?

[hard thistle]

Which reminds me I need to stop slacking on dbz

[shrewd zinc]

• what’s the point of playing a quick sloppy uncared for reused piece of shit locked behind a paywall cash grab

[hard thistle]

Reasonable bets would be on hulshult

[primal storm]

probably andrew hulshult

[cold oriole]

I would hope so. They better not do him dirty like they did Mick Gordon.

[rancid mulch]

i think david levy mentioned on his twitter that he didn't work on anything for dark ages so i doubt they'd bring hulshult back but not levy

https://tenor.com/view/black-ops3-bo3-black-ops-title-screen-main-menu-gif-22354731

[primal storm]

he would just apply the copyright thing

[winter idol]

well the trailer music sounds like andrew so

[cold oriole]

Good

[shrewd zinc]

I’d prefer if they put Andrew Baena on the track instead

[winter idol]

they arent a package deal

[thorn spade]

Lets not gatekeep videogames 👍

[cold oriole]

Now....is Hugo Martin coming back to direct???

[winter idol]

did you not see the interview with hugo?

[primal storm]

there was one?

[thorn spade]

yeah its still hugo and marty

[cold oriole]

Gonna be honest, I'm half blind so I guess that was a dumb question

[winter idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3KftOn8YdE

[shrewd zinc]

You HAVE to stay subscribed, or you can’t play them? So after half a year you could have payed off a game you got with gamepass, but if you remove gamepass that same month you basically just scammed yourself

[cold oriole]

Hugo I'm totally cool with but Marty, I still find sketchy

[rancid mulch]

yeah fair.. if that's the case then i think that kinda sucks cause david levy had some of the best songs in TAG 1 and 2 imo

[winter idol]

david probably wanted to work on other projects

[cyan lotus]

also did you guys hear the news? Emerson Tung got promoted recently

[rancid mulch]

oh yeah i saw that

[cyan lotus]

My goat

[winter idol]

surprising considering he already made most of the concept art

[rancid mulch]

also i saw recently that junctioneight (previous ID level designer) has been working on his own game for a little while now

[shrewd zinc]

• people never really download any games off gamepass in the first place

[cold oriole]

So who thinks they'll put in an Easter egg reference to Animal Crossing?

[cyan lotus]

no

[rancid mulch]

andrew hulshult composed boomer shooter or gianni matragrano voice acted boomer shooter.. pick one..

[shrewd zinc]

So you could get a 70 dollar game but be subscribed for more than a year, your paying more to play the game than if you would have just bought it

[cold oriole]

Aaaand why not? It'd be super hilarious!

[cyan lotus]

downpatch to 3.0

[rancid mulch]

ehhhh not really... i have to grind fortnite in between my awesome singleplayer games...

[shrewd zinc]

But that’s for one month alone

And eventually you’ll be subbed for long enough that it pays it off

and you can’t just unsubscribe after buying a game cuz they remove it from your library

The 1 dollar is basically like a free trial

[slender blade]

I wonder if we’ll get a sweepstakes for dark ages. I won a tshirt for Eternal

[shrewd zinc]

Nice 👍

[slender blade]

Hey thanks! It was a surprise getting it in the mail!

[sonic turret]

I like Marty, he just seems out of place whenever he does a joing interview with Hugo.

[bright salmon]

@lean pilot trans? and she her

wtf

[shrewd zinc]

Because they’re fun?

[shrewd zinc]

And?? Why does it matter?

[rancid mulch]

how do the game devs even get paid when someone's playing through gamepass? do they get paid by microsoft to put their games on there?

[shrewd zinc]

??

[hard thistle]

Can we just skip past this shit and say "John Romero supports trans people, you're a loser"?

John Romero supports trans people. You're a loser.

[rancid mulch]

tmg do u have the king k rool question mark gif still

[bright salmon]

keep sry😒

[cyan lotus]

Wells Fargo

[shrewd zinc]

Rare mono W

[sonic turret]

🤷

[shrewd zinc]

why do you keep saying Wells Fargo😭😭

[cyan lotus]

common mono W

[hard thistle]

Surely you mean common. I've never had an L before.

[bright salmon]

English or Spanish

[cyan lotus]

it’s an inside joke

[shrewd zinc]

I don’t understand explain so I can find it funny 😔

[tranquil moss]

david was disappointed that he wasn't a composer for dark ages

[sonic turret]

Yeah, he and I both.

[tranquil moss]

i sure hope he will be on the dlc if any

[bright salmon]

if anyone move hes g*y

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/it-shouldve-been-me-it-should-have-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-25329171

[tranquil moss]

???

[shrewd zinc]

We’re on disc it doesn’t work like that

[hard thistle]

oh yeah?

i can get the game files and play offline

[tranquil moss]

it will still be on your console

you just wont be able to play it no matter what

[shrewd zinc]

Well I’m pretty sure that’s illegal

[hard thistle]

how

[shrewd zinc]

Yk what I mean

[tranquil moss]

not 100% sure if you can really do that with a game pass title

[hard thistle]

i have a pc

[tranquil moss]

same concept with pc

[hard thistle]

you download it onto said device

if its on the device i dont think they can stop me from finding the files

[tranquil moss]

they can stop you from playing it

[bright salmon]

guys why when when I play doom (2016) the graphics is so bad anyone know why?

[tranquil moss]

there are checks in place

[hard thistle]

i can just remove that part of the files or whatever

[hard thistle]

what do you play on

[shrewd zinc]

What are ur setting

[bright salmon]

xbox

[tranquil moss]

which one

[bright salmon]

whats

[hard thistle]

no one gives a shit

[rancid mulch]

king k rool grey question laser gif

[tranquil moss]

spinning skull shooting lasers emoji

[bright salmon]

shut this 😑

[shrewd zinc]

THEY DELETED IT LMAOO

[bright salmon]

YEEEE

[tranquil moss]

why is this even an argument in the first place

[shrewd zinc]

Because why not

[hard thistle]

guys wanna get back to that one weird convo we had yesterday

[tranquil moss]

do that somewhere else

[hard thistle]

demon taste

[tulip canyon]

https://youtu.be/04P_XcJaO8c?si=Ig4rXchmDKgNSDev

[shrewd zinc]

“Conflict is inevitable. It is the fire that fuels creation.” - Davoth

[tranquil moss]

true

[hard thistle]

does the classic dooms come with gamepass?

[steel bridge]

Yes

[hard thistle]

and if i download it i could extract the wad file correct?

[steel bridge]

Idk ://

Eternal has 1&2 wads built-in though

Idk the differences from the original wads if there are any

[hard thistle]

yeah and i know where the wads are

i have like 4 different versions of doom 1 and 2 now

[unkempt thicket]

If you’re on PC, it might be possible but you require a tool to gain access to the app’s file, which are encrypted afaik.

[hard thistle]

damn

[slender onyx]

honestly this game has the potential to do something really special with it's plot
the lore around argent d'nur and the time period the game will take place in is so fascinating and judging by what hugo said, it seems like this is going to be the most story-focused of all the doom games

[unkempt thicket]

Go to Google and search for “GamePass and WAD Files Doom reddit”

@hard thistle

First result should be the exact Reddit post instructing you on how you can grab the WADs.

[hard thistle]

k

[hard thistle]

someone already made a dumper for the encrypted data

L microsoft and xbox.

linux is better

[unkempt thicket]

ah yeah that exists too actually, forgot the name.

[hard thistle]

uwpdumper

[icy rapids]

i cant not keep thinking of the new game im so excited !!

[slender onyx]

real

[tender vessel]

Ye

[primal storm]

same ngl

needa find a way to skip untill 2025

getting in a coma might be and idea

[vague violet]

Well 2025 seems like the year for games, new DOOM, GTA 6

[primal storm]

ngl tho 2025 might be my year, I mean my fav game comes out, I finish high school, buy a car

[vague violet]

I just honestly hope that Doom: The Dark Ages has a mix of 2016 brute rush playstyle and Eternals Ballistic Missile playstyle 💀💀

[primal storm]

it's gonna be like doom 1993 tho

[vague violet]

Oh fr?

[primal storm]

ground combat

[agile osprey]

So any game except eternal?

[dusk zealot]

Shieldsaw

[wheat cliff]

sod3 as well :3

[vague violet]

So pretty much 2016 brute rushing then

[primal storm]

ig

[vague violet]

That too yea

[primal storm]

they been talking about making it classic

[icy rapids]

when where

[feral tree]

There's a gamespot Interview from like 4 days ago now

Can recommend it. Has hugo and marty (i think he's called) in it

[coral panther]

im yearning for great gameplay

[icy rapids]

in id software we trust

[hazy patio]

Hello

[primal storm]

tda

[hazy patio]

So will they add the dark ages suit to eternal?

[primal storm]

probably ye

[hazy patio]

Epic

[primal storm]

the cape is cool af

[icy rapids]

kratos wanna be 💀 😂

[primal storm]

won't be surprised if doom slayer just pull out a axe

[plain moon]

https://youtu.be/04P_XcJaO8c?si=p-CBSgTzRU3MWoSa

[primal storm]

yh people already began talking about the ending of it

[shrewd marlin]

Oh nice, new channel

[shrewd marlin]

A battle axe would be pretty cool, it would fit the feeling of playing as the Slayer perfectly

[old charm]

basically just playing as a marauder lol

[shrewd marlin]

true

[plain moon]

Marauders are almost guaranteed to be an enemy type in this game

[feral tree]

You think doom hunters will be back? But in like a more flesh than metal Form

Thought about it being a possibility yesterday when playing doom hunter base

[old charm]

although we will probably fight among them

[old charm]

they were specifically designed to kill the slayer. I have no doubt that we will see the Agadon hunters again

[plain moon]

Nah, we’ll be fighting amongst the knight sentinels, the marauders are to one loyal to hell and the Khan Mayker

[feral tree]

"The slayer and his knight sentinels, during the unholy crusade"
Would be sick to play this in dark ages. I am already so in live with the setting being argent dnur with the sentinels

[old charm]

Marauders are Knight sentinels that were corrupted by hell iirc

[hard thistle]

The Marauders are Night Sentinels, just Loyalists opposed to the Slayer during the Civil War. The Civil War hasn't started by the time this game starts judging by the trailer.

[feral tree]

Yes think so too

[hard thistle]

So if we meet Marauders in this game they'll be our allies, unless the game delves into the Civil War halfway through or something.

[hard thistle]

Marauders in Eternal are Loyalist Night Sentinels that previously died and have been resurrected by the Khan Maykr. Despite their demonic appearance, it is said that it's purely the Khan's bullshit that brought them back to life. They're helping out Hell on her orders.

[delicate grotto]

They’d need to overhaul his AI if he were to be an enemy too. His movements/attacks wouldn’t work too well in TDA.

[wintry gyro]

Imagine turning to your left seeing the exact same dude we fought as our first marauder yelling “BACK TO HELL DEMONS”

The irony.

[hard thistle]

(Specifically the Khan used the Divinity Machine to resurrect the Marauders.)

[feral tree]

Not just one of them. A whole army of them xD

[feral tree]

I didnt know that yet. Thanks

[old charm]

There is an image of what the marauders specifically looked like before they were resurrected in the codex

[hard thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145581368126996560/1250673582275559504/Marauder_Codex_picture.png?ex=666bcc0a&is=666a7a8a&hm=0f631a4c62e59f8831d6c8691ef845d940b174bc02d9cea8d459c5f3deb457f4&

[old charm]

thank you

[wintry gyro]

Oh my god they look so fuckin awesome

[old charm]

agreed

[plain moon]

This game definitely takes place during the civil war. At many points in the trailer, you'll see corrupted marauder enemies and towards the end of the trailer, when the dragon is flying, there's a ship to the right with an upside down crucifix on it that's definitely a sign of the marauders loyal to the Khan

[hard thistle]

My counterpoint to this is that the Slayer is being dispatched from a Maykr command station at the beginning of the trailer. He had renounced any allyship with the Maykrs when the Civil War started.

The corrupted Sentinel enemies make sense even before this because it's basically what Hell does anyway; we're fighting Sentinel zombies, like how on Earth we see zombie soldiers, and in Urdak we're seeing "zombie" Maykrs.

I would love to see the game delve into the Argenta Civil War halfway through, though.

What'd be nice is discovering Nekravol at the halfway point, and the Civil War begins after, and so we begin fighting Sentinel enemies as well as the demons.

My ideal ending for this game is that it ends off with the Betrayal in a tragic ending, and the game ends off leading into the Slayer's Testaments and Doomguy's rampage across Hell.

Perhaps, if the game is successful, a DLC depicting the events leading to him getting locked up in 2016's sarcophagus.

[plain moon]

Also, when the mech is punching the titan in the trailer, it’s definitely on mars but likely in the city of Hebeth before it sank into the planet.

[feral tree]

Playing the betrayel would be cool. Thought about that as well when the trailer dropped. Big moment for the story

[hard thistle]

I'm iffy on this and wondering if it's some sort of Argenta manufacturing plant instead. That building doesn't look like normal Argenta architecture.

It looks eerily UAC-like, which would not make sense considering the UAC should not be present in this story.

My current theory is that that huge facility is an Atlan factory or some weird shit like that, and that's why it doesn't look like normal Argenta architecture; because it's a factory or a plant, not a residential place or a ship or something.

[desert ferry]

I hope we get to shoot a hole into the surface of the city of hebeth

[hard thistle]

Argent D'Nur is selective like that. They've got "medieval" weapons but the Atlans look nothing like this.

[plain moon]

Here’s the codex for Hebeth: "Amidst the long and enduring history of Sentinel civilization, there are moments in antiquity that have become buried in time – forgotten chapters that remain concealed to Sentinel historians, waiting to be unearthed. The fallen city of Hebeth is one such tale, all but forgotten to the tomes of legacies past. Once a prosperous port city – a proud, gleaming marker of conquest for the distant tribe of Bethian clansmen of the outer worlds – Hebeth bridged the disparate Sentinel cities with the ingenious design of slipgate invention. But it was not meant to last, and among those cities lost in the crusades of Sentinel past was Hebeth. now little more than a smoldering ruin swallowed by the quaking surface of a once habitable Mars."

[hard thistle]

I'm wary about it being Hebeth because Samuel says that Hebeth was before the Slayer's time.

[feral tree]

Could be the factory part we see in the trailer? When the skull crusher is shown, in the background there is a mecha arm being raised

[plain moon]

It’s likely just sentinel technology rather than UAC

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-surely-for-sure-shao-kahn-mortal-kombat-gif-14362468

[warm ibex]

Do you think it could be set on the original mars from the classics? That's really the only way it would make sense for the UAC to be on mars at that point without involving some sort of multiverse/time travel stuff

[hard thistle]

They probably are not doing this, because if they did my soul would leave my body and I would die, and that would risk a lawsuit from my family. Bad publicity.

[feral tree]

If it goes: Doom 1, Doom 2, Doom 64, dark ages, 2016, eternal, it would be possible to revisit doom 1 in dark ages

[warm ibex]

it's too risky lmao

[hard thistle]

Nah but seriously that is genuinely possible. The timeline would match up. I could see them doing this if they wanted to do something really cool like call back to the original Doom.

[plain moon]

It still looks more Sentinel than anything. They’re also using blue energy which is likely wraith magic.

[hard thistle]

Like have the Slayer see E1M1 all broken down and shit.

[hard thistle]

Could go either way. We'll just have to see.
If it's some shit like time travelling to the modern games' Mars I'll be irritated though. That would be dumb I think.

[warm ibex]

now that would be sick as hell, I was kinda hoping TAG2 would end at E1M1 as a nice callback before they concluded the current storyline

[hard thistle]

What I wish they'd have done was make Reclaimed Earth the original Doom II Earth instead, with the vegetation showing it has been a looooong time since that invasion.

And then you could have the Slayer back in his hometown from so long ago, calling back to him going to Hell through there by having the Gate of Divum there.

[primal storm]

argent energy axe

[sonic turret]

If I understand you correctly, I'm assuming that we're looking at the same structures that were on Mars during the time of the classic games and that this exists in the same universe, as I've always stated.

Obviously we were previously on the moons of Mars and not Mars proper, but I'd imagine that UAC had nonetheless set up shop on Mars too.

[hard thistle]

I moreso mean a hypothetical where we end up on the classic Mars, an alternate Mars from Doom 2016's version. Hell connecting to multiple worlds would facilitate this.

[hard thistle]

They did, yeah. Doom 1993's manual mentions a base on Mars as well as its moons.

[tender vessel]

We could end up on Deimos.

[fleet spruce]

mars core felt like a callback to doom 3, wonder if we get to explore the ancient cities beneath surface of mars

[tender vessel]

That’s the moon that disappeared right?

[unkempt thicket]

Do you think we’ll see a gameplay demo in this August’s QuakeCon?

I need more The Dark Ages!

[old charm]

I wouldn’t hold my breath. We didn’t get a concrete release date.

I’d expect gameplay near the beginning of 2025

[tender vessel]

Does invasion make sense in this game? Massive potential don’t have to delete the idea.

[old charm]

That’s a pretty good question. I would say no though. It seems that the slayer will hit like a freight train, so an invader would be killed VERY quickly

[tender vessel]

Everything about battlemode and invasion that never happened seems like a big waste.

[sonic turret]

I mean in my mind, the guys at id are probably going to make the Mars of Doom 2016 be the same as the 1993 Mars, in the same dimension, rather than alternate dimensions. I've always considered them as the same dimensions but different planets that they take place on, with only Doom 3 being the anomaly.

Whereas everyone else is arguing that Doom 1-64 are based in a different dimension from Doom 2016-Eternal, but with the same protagonist. However I don't see why it needs to be a different dimension/universe, just different planets that Hell spewed Doomguy out into.

[forest steeple]

So according to you mars exists twice?

[soft turret]

No. Mars exists an infinite amount of time.

[forest steeple]

No I get that

[soft turret]

Doom has a multiverse, kinda like Marvel or DC

[forest steeple]

But he's saying that doomguy went from one classic mars to modern mars in the same dimension

[soft turret]

Yes.

[forest steeple]

No universe hopping

So he's saying mars exists twice in the same universe

[soft turret]

It was universe hopping, some people just use "dimension" interchangeably with universe even though they don't mean the same thing.

[forest steeple]

Which makes no sense

[forest steeple]

But he says "same dimensions different planets" when talking about mars

That makes no sense, he's saying mars exists twice

[soft turret]

It's definitely a different universe, there's even a cut Khan Maykr line stating it.

[forest steeple]

Yeah I KNOW THAT

HE DOESN'T

[soft turret]

He knows now

[forest steeple]

He better

[jolly plume]

Or else 🔪

[soft turret]

It is a different universe, the existence of the multiverse is even used as the canon explanation for skins

[plain moon]

To me, it seems like the demons of Eternal were trying to revert back to their peak that they were at in TDA. This is mainly cause of the imp’s appearance. TDA imps are larger and stronger cause they were constantly fighting the Slayer. 2016 imps are small and weak cause the Slayer had been sealed for so long, causing them to degrade because the Slayer wasn’t around. Eternal imps started to become stronger (as seen with the spikes on their backs) again due to the presence of the Doom Slayer.

[jolly plume]

Fun idea

It is said that there's way too many imp breeds tho. Even in eternal we see different kinds of imps, and that's including stuff they evolve to like prowlers

[soft turret]

I'm pretty sure 2016/Eternal imps are more than 6 ft tall lol

They're just skinny and hunched

[plain moon]

But TDA imps definitely seem like the strongest breed

[soft turret]

A lot of the demons look smaller than they are, just look at the Marauder

In photo mode the dude is like 8 ft tall, but looks your height in first person

[jolly plume]

It could be that they're especially tough. Different imps for different niches. Maybe these are like siege imps since they're being sent against fortresses and Sentinels. 2016/Eternal imps are like skirmishers

Who's the strongest imp breed depends on the terrain they fight on

[plain moon]

It might also be because this game takes place so far in the past that the og imps from Doom 1-64 are the standard

[steel bridge]

Pray that dark ages doesnt have unskippable mini cutscenes like eternal

[old charm]

Tbf those were far and few between

[jolly plume]

Yeah. I think they were in the 3rd age of Hell back then. They may be the new argent-empowered imps with traits from the ones from the 1st and 2nd age

[primal storm]

all cutscenes in eternal can be skipped tho

atleast on ps4

[steel bridge]

I know but theyre still unfavorable. Wouldve been nice to have an option for them

[steel bridge]

No theres like informational cutscenes that show whats changed in a level after doing an action that cant be skipped

Think of like super gore nest where you put the yellow key in, theres an unskippable "mini-cutscene" that shows some doors in the gore nest opening while vega tells you to find the other keys. Thats what Im talking about

[primal storm]

oh yea that ones, I mean they're not that long but kinda annoying

[jolly plume]

I hope they don't teleport you into the gates to continue the level like in Super Gore Nest. One moment you're putting in a key, the other they're showing you a mini cutscene of where to go, and then for some reason the next moment they teleport you there. So there's no point in showing you where to go to

[primal storm]

it's so you can't finish doom eternal in 2 hours so u won't get a refund

[steel bridge]

I think those are good, but very unfavorable because theyre unskippable. I hope dark ages lets you skip or disable those "mini-cutscenes" if theyre in the game

[forest steeple]

And sentinel battery imputs, and king novik's speech..

[jolly plume]

Genius

[steel bridge]

This too

Sentinel battery inputs are so annoying 😂

[primal storm]

the ones putting them in the mechs

[jolly plume]

Oh yeah Novik

[steel bridge]

I havent dealt with them for a while though because I usually only do mission select

[forest steeple]

I mean these unskipables are fine the first playthrough, but really emphasize the nightmare in ultra nightmare

[jolly plume]

It becomes a urethral nightmare

[primal storm]

u can have a few moments to catch your breath ig

[jolly plume]

It only worsens them. I go mad

[primal storm]

especially the one with doom hunter

it spawns the enemy right in front of you

[forest steeple]

Well that's what the sections between combat are for, like platforming. I don't need to be catching my breath in the fucking fortress of doom

[primal storm]

if ur on ultra nightmare it's death

[primal storm]

demons spawned there too

[forest steeple]

You mean the 3 imps

[primal storm]

3 imps 2 flying shits

[jolly plume]

You ever just have a heart attack in the Fortress of Doom? You hit continue in your file and it spawns you in that floating trash can and you feel your heart skip eight beats?

[forest steeple]

What a weird ass encounter, could have been like a cool fight through the enitire fortress but no, all you gets is 3 imps 4 soilders and 3 gargoyles lmao

[jolly plume]

At least 2 Hellknights in the main room would've suficed

[primal storm]

makyr chan just spawns 3 imps in main room thinking it's enough to kill the slayer

[jolly plume]

The real danger is what you don't see them do. They bit off cables and stole shit

[primal storm]

or 1 hell baron

[forest steeple]

Bfg division plays there too, only for the good part to end before it even starts cause the encounter lasts a whopping 15 seconds

[primal storm]

they act like rabbits

[primal storm]

ngl I just love it when there's really heavy metal music like slayer gates or the only thing they fear is you in unnecessarily light combat zones

like 3-6 zombies spawn and 1 archatron and boom u get the meat hook soundtrack

[jolly plume]

Like in KH putting epic battle music during dialogue parts

[primal storm]

maybe they having eye contact battle

[forest steeple]

That one arachnatron in purple goo in exultia who gets the heaviest part of meathook for no reason

[jolly plume]

It's for the game journalists

[forest steeple]

Actually that fits cause oh my god that arachnatron strikes fear in my heart

[primal storm]

1 hell knight spawns and u get the heaviest part of meathook lmao

[primal storm]

u just hit the weak point and it's dead lol

heavy canon with the sniper thing +combat shotgun on auto

[forest steeple]

It's harder in purple goo, with barely any weaponry and when you're trying un for the first couple of times. I don't struggle with it now, and I finished un so never again

[primal storm]

imagine dying at final sin

[jolly plume]

Ohh yeah

[primal storm]

on un

[jolly plume]

Normal punch UN run

[primal storm]

nah yk what's insane? doing the can't perfect perfection on un

[forest steeple]

I personally only ever died on the first 4 levels, once I got to sgn that was the run. That's what un is, just the first 4 levels are hard

[jolly plume]

Yeah

You gotta cripple yourself from the hook for a bigger challenge

[primal storm]

yea tho for me once I get my hands on the dash and air control it's piece of cake

[steel bridge]

One time I died doing a secret encounter on sgn cuz I accidentally teleported away from the buff totem and when I teleported back it was straight into a mancubus and I immediately died

[primal storm]

tho the doom hunter always kills me almost instantly

[steel bridge]

I got so mad that I instantly restarted until I got back to sgn, then I played again later and that run turned out 2 B a win

[primal storm]

on nightmare

[cyan lotus]

instead of limiting myself I use the busted resources to my advantage and just try to go faster with them

[outer quiver]

I hope meathook will make comeback

[old charm]

I’m not sure it would fit the combat of TDA

[hollow quartz]

Yea

I think at one point Hugo Martin said in eternal ur the ac130 and in tda ur a tank

Also in eternal you’re a Ferrari and in tda you’re a monster truck.

[placid saffron]

Considering the maps seem to be flatter and bigger i'd argue it would definitely fit in more

[old charm]

I mean, the meat hook is meant to help you move very fast, and that doesn’t seem to be the gameplay of dark ages

[placid saffron]

Which would help with giant, open arenas

They just sound counteracting against slower movement

[stray pollen]

You got to give it to Hugo and the id team for doing something new and fresh while also still keeping that fun and addicting brutality and scale. Like they truly are masters of their craft.

[placid saffron]

Well, assuming DA will be good that is

[north spire]

they should add invisible purple goo to the skyboxes for this game >:)

[stray pollen]

True, I'm very optimistic for something new. And based on the footage it still feels doom

[north spire]

i feel like the game might be a little faster than the trailer is showing us based on the modern doom advertising's track record

[outer quiver]

STOP CRYING YOU LITTERALLY DIDNT SAW A SINGLE MAP, JUST TRAILER

[placid saffron]

Wtf you mean we literally saw multiple arenas

[north spire]

we saw like 3 or 4 :p

[outer quiver]

It's like talking about demo-version of the game being the full release

[north spire]

also we're not crying :pp

[outer quiver]

Hes telling the same thing for like 3 days in a row

[north spire]

i genuinely wonder if the super shotgun will just flat out replace the regular shotgun🤔

[placid saffron]

Yeah, but i'm just not setting my hopes up high incase it becomes a cyberpunk situation. In the absolute worst case, i just rind it a bit bothersome instead of having my expectations shattered like some "die hard fans" act like if it's bad

[north spire]

that's fair

im doing that with sonic x shadow generations rn

[outer quiver]

Thats a good strategie

[north spire]

even though it looks very good so far

[placid saffron]

I assume the arena design they decide is best for showing off the game's vibes is probably pretty representative, i'd lovr to be proven wrong but we have not much else to prove it on

[placid saffron]

Yeah, but so did cyberpunk before it released lol

[north spire]

and so did superstars which, whilst still being good, was kinda underwhelming compared to other things

and the boss fights sucked ass

[stray pollen]

That's totally fair, personally I'm not the fan to expect to have a new bar be set, tbh eternal caught me by surprise, same with 2016. I just like enjoying the games I play, but the footage for dark ages got me excited. Your point is totally valid tho, hope you enjoy it when it comes out.

[outer quiver]

Imagine levels being like in first doom

[outer quiver]

Well... if you mean they showed us almost no gameplay before release, thats ok

It was ring in the bell for me

[broken berry]

Hello 🐅 🐘

[cold mango]

So basically doomslayer become marauder with steroid

One hand shield, one hand super shotgun

[tribal shore]

I’m not sure how parrying and doom mix though

[winter vault]

doom

[ionic delta]

I mean it's a sick mechanic

[tribal shore]

True, but it feels kind of weird

[ionic delta]

??? how does it feel weird

[tribal shore]

Think about the core of doom: killing demons with guns and other weapons then they modify with glory kills in 2016 and eternal, which is fine, but the theming, the core mechanics, and the recent glory kill mechanics ain’t going to work with parrying, since you have the gunplay, and the sudden parry that ruins the pace of the gameplay

This is just going off from what was revealed so far, but hey, I have a good feeling once dark age comes out, I could be wrong

[agile flume]

Cool new doom game probably wont play it

[snow nova]

Ngl glory kills added to doom a new good vibe you can't get rid of this easily now

[tribal shore]

Glory kills had for sure the game interesting, no point to remove it

[winter idol]

Well their point would be to add in melee as an effective combat style. They didnt show any glory kills in the trailer so they may be in, or they may not

[tribal shore]

True

[unreal terrace]

its doomin time

[junior eagle]

А есть рус

[neon gust]

Looking forward to this game

[primal storm]

most likely

[neon gust]

Wood: The Bark Ages is shaping up to be one of the best games of next year

[earnest swift]

Idk, Hugo dodging the GK question makes it really sound like they’re out.

[winter idol]

Yea, I would not be surprised at all if they were gone, I would be totally fine with it considering we get a full melee system

[bright ravine]

does anyone around know when will the game release like early or late 2025

[earnest swift]

lmao

[winter idol]

Here is my theory, if they do not show a release date at Quake Con, Im expecting the game to not show up until november of next year

[earnest swift]

Honestly with the classics comparisons Hugo made I wouldn’t put it past id to focus heavily on pickups this time.

[bright ravine]

dayum i wanted to play by june

[winter idol]

again, we wont really know until quake con

[bright ravine]

when is quake con

[earnest swift]

Isn’t Quakecon August?

[winter idol]

yea, not sure how well that would work in the modern format, theres probably upgrades like health drops after certain melee damage or shield bashing enemies

[winter idol]

august 8th

[earnest swift]

Sounds too soon for a release date reveal.

I doubt two months of development will be enough to lock in a date from a year release window.

[winter idol]

2 months of development? what?

[earnest swift]

Tbf "DA" looks like it’ll have a completely different flow from 2016.

[earnest swift]

Referring to the official announcement this week.

[bright ravine]

this the most hype i have been since elden ring

[hard thistle]

CANT WAIT FOR THE DARK AGES TO DROP

[vapid lodge]

even if they will reveal a release date, they can still delay the game the same way they did with Eternal

[primal storm]

ngl I hope we get the soundtrack "ritual combat" in the game

[tulip canyon]

https://youtu.be/04P_XcJaO8c?si=28Oq_uiOm5vO9Z8Y

[winter idol]

?

[primal storm]

can i send u it in dms? i cant post links in the server

[winter idol]

what is it?

[primal storm]

the soundtrack called ritual combat

[winter idol]

then no, its not going to be in game

[primal storm]

made by digiterra

[winter idol]

they dont do licensed music

[primal storm]

quite sad 😭 it would've fit so well

[primal storm]

licensed one is where they pay for it's use, right?

[winter idol]

yes

all music in modern doom is specifically made for the game and the environments

[primal storm]

quite money saving

[winter idol]

its not just that

its so they can specifically make tracks that fit the feel of each environment

also no one wants licensed music in doom, theres a novelty of the soundtrack being completely composed for the game

[primal storm]

i mean the soundtrack meathook while doing some heavy combat rlly helps

[winter idol]

thats cause it was made for the game, thats why it works so well

[rain turret]

My insta-buy for this game is cooperative-survival campaign, I hope bethesda learned...

[crude hatch]

cooperative survival campaign?

[winter idol]

that . . . wouldnt work

[rain turret]

Doom Eternal's lack of co-op was disappointing

[winter idol]

id have made it very clear that doom isnt made with co op in mind

theres 1 slayer

[crude hatch]

it wouldn't really fit the game

[winter idol]

co op works in space marine 2 cause, well they are space marines

it wouldnt work in doom at all

[crude hatch]

also, I don't think bethesda would have anything to do with putting that in the game

[primal storm]

yea i see now, i kinda thought they were just using licensed music from mick grodon in eternal nd doom 2016

[rain turret]

Multiplayer doesn't need to be lore-wise, it just add replayability time and a good time to play with friends, like we do with zandronum/zdaemon with the claassics

[winter idol]

no, mick composed them but they own the tracks

[crude hatch]

the game should be about the single player more than the multiplayer, replayability should come from the campaign

[winter idol]

balancing it would be a complete nightmare that the devs have previously said they dont want to tackle

that would require a complete rebalance of the entire campaign just for co op

[primal storm]

the more they work on the game the more expensive the game will be

[rain turret]

We don't know about the game balance and the campaign yet, And the multiplayer side has unlimited possibilities. I just hope an DM - Coop mode and maybe battle mode would be a thing

[crude hatch]

there's an even smaller chance of having 2 different multiplayer modes

[winter idol]

co op would mean the demon ai would need to be COMPLETELY rewritten

enemies are designed to be fought against by 1 person, their ai would get so confused and some interactions could overlap and cause issues

[crude hatch]

building the ai around a gimmick mode doesn't seem like the wisest idea

[winter idol]

its not

honestly really have no idea if the game will even have multiplayer

i would be totally fine without it

[crude hatch]

even then, a multiplayer shouldn't be the main focus, no one goes "oh I really hope the mp for the next DOOM game is gonna be a blast"

[winter idol]

i would honestly prefer if they cut it to completely focus on extending the campaign

[crude hatch]

yeah, honestly time better spent

[winter idol]

(rip invasion lmao)

they probably had to learn the hard way not to overpromise on multiplayer

[potent rose]

I'm so hyped for this game

[rain turret]

At this point they probably already have the campaign and the story ready, but dreaming about a good MP doesn't hurt anyone

[jaunty beacon]

snapmap guys could work

[winter idol]

snapmap probably requires more effort than a multiplayer mode would

[primal storm]

i mean doom 2016 and eternal already have multiplayer.. soo i think they will make tda singleplayer

[winter idol]

they basically need to make a game creator

[jaunty beacon]

i'm not saying snapmap itself i'm saying the snapmap characters could work

for a coop mode

[winter idol]

it wouldnt cause balancing would be an issue and the whole ai thing i described above

[crude hatch]

again, they should really be putting that time and effort into bettering the campaign and future projects, dlc's ect

[winter idol]

id software like to do things differently every time so we really cant say for certain there will be multiplayer

[primal storm]

but we can say that there will be easter eggs

atleast i hope so

[crude hatch]

yeah obviously

[winter idol]

hugo said exploration is 10x so i wouldnt doubt that

[crude hatch]

secrets and easter eggs are doom's bread and butter

[winter idol]

how the easter eggs are implemented will be a surprise tho

[primal storm]

maybe we get an easter egg related to doom 64

like the ones from doom 2016 where u pull a lever and get a doom 1993 map

[sonic turret]

I prefer a campaign too, but I'd be surprised if they did have some sort of multiplayer, or if there wasn't another game released in tandem that fulfilled that role, such as a follow-up to Quake Champions.

[sonic turret]

I'd imagine there would be stronger ties to the world of Doom 64 in this one, perhaps even having the Unmaykr return again.

[sonic turret]

I'd hope for a new snap map, particularly since the tech and capacity has moved on since 2016.

[primal storm]

i mean tda kinda happens after doom 64 soo it would make sense

[jaunty beacon]

well kinda the opposite really

snapmap was way less advanced than any classic doom map editor

[sonic turret]

Sure, and D64 had a much darker, more Dark Ages reminiscent vibe.

[sonic turret]

Yes but they wanted to focus on a longer, more intricate campaign in Eternal and had to hale sacrifices, and snap map had to go. Now they're working with a later console generation, so they have the opportunity to rethink what they include in the game.

[vapid lodge]

i sometimes like to day dream and think about Mick working again with id...

the only "proof" of this is that Mick posted on his instagram/social media some Doom content and honestly if i was Mick, with all that "trauma" and bad work conditions, i wouldnt post doom stuff that are related to the OST...

He did say "he quit a toxic client, but not Doom" however i like to think that maybe they patched things up and they will maybe surprise us at Quake con

[supple yoke]

I swear though when i listen to the Exultia track and hear the kangling, i thing it sounds very similar to the sounds im getting from the new trailer. Maybe its just a bow on a guitar but it sounds uncanny to me

[vapid lodge]

the choirs too

i heard "la sangri" again

which you can hear it on Hell on Earth

[supple yoke]

Please doom lord jesus let there be MG

[plucky valley]

[sonic turret]

But people talk about Mick Gordon as though they feel sorry for him and that he's been wronged, but will still be chatting in the Doom servers, playing id Software's games and supporting new releases. I mean if they felt that bad, they'd not be supporting id still.

[vapid lodge]

yeah but it isnt all about Mick, yes he provided one of the, if not, best OST in a game, very popular, well known and it sounds amazing in game and outside.

But its not all about the OST, the game is top notch

So its not like people are ditching DOOM because of Mick fiasco

[jolly plume]

If people started ditching what they like because whatever company wronged their men, nobody would watch/play/buy/go anything/anywhere

[sonic turret]

I mean I'd hope they'd not ditch Doom at all, composers come and go, but Doom is Eternal. It just feels like if people are sympathetic to a party that's been wronged, it's a bit of a double standard of they're being vocal about that while still supporting the oppressor, let's say. I don't have much vested interest in Gordon or his situation and I'm very much on the side of id Software, however those who stand with Gordon also seem to be straddling the fence, as I discovered yesterday.

[sonic turret]

True, but it still seems strange.

[vapid lodge]

i would not side with id not in a million lifetimes, that shit was wrong af.

and it happens to a lot of companies, it EVEN HAPPENED TO ME if you are contractor... doesnt matter what kind.

The moment you are a contractor like Mick was, you are extremely easy to control and ditch, can happen in an instant, with no good reason

[sonic turret]

Like if I'm standing in solidarity with an oppressed people, I'm not going to be buying products from the oppressor, I'd probably boycott them.

[hard thistle]

i dont understand why people give a shit about multiplayer doom. thats not the main focus of the franchise at all

[vapid lodge]

replayability

[sonic turret]

I'm in it for the campaign.

I preferred the 2016 Deathmatch.

[hard thistle]

the campaign is more replayable than multiplayer

[vapid lodge]

not for all people

for me it is, all i did was play the campaign

[hard thistle]

for most people it is

[sonic turret]

I mean the very term Deathmatch came from id and they just abandoned it in Eternal, probably because Quake Champions was still popular.

[hard thistle]

i never played multiplayer that much

[vapid lodge]

well most people tried battlemode and didnt like it... so that kills their motivation to play doom MP

not all people replay the campaign a lot

[hard thistle]

coop would be more playable than pvp

campaign with multiple people

[jolly plume]

One can love a product while hate or at the very least dislike whoever makes it. I love Warhammer and learn everything I can from it and watch so much stuff about it, but GW can die. However, I'm not gonna ditch a universe so rich in interesting and creative ideas for it. When the product starts to suck, I'm out. Like with Halo

[sonic turret]

And yet you're still in a Doom server, in a channel dedicated to their forthcoming game, doing Doom Eternal cosplay etc. If you were really on Mick's side, would you be doing all of this?

[soft turret]

I've never heard anyone say "yo bro u tryna hop on doom mp"

[hard thistle]

LMAO IKR

doom battle royale

(bad idea)

you know what pisses me off about fortnite?

[vapid lodge]

look bro, you didnt read it between the lines... the management side of companies that do this is the worst you can have... i told you it happened to me and these people do not give a flying F*CK about contractors

the CREATIVE side and devs have nothing to do with this bs

[soft turret]

That they ain't releasing cartnites no more... 💔

[jolly plume]

You think Mick hates Doom because of his experience with id? Id makes the product, but the server is called the Doom server, is it not?

[sonic turret]

True, but if I'm pro Palestine, I'm going to be much less likely to invest in Israeli products. I might not outright boycott them, because there are innocent people on both sides, but I'm not going to want to give my undying support to their economy until the dust has settled .

[hard thistle]

their campaign mode was unfinished and they dont give a shit about us founders

[sonic turret]

Probably not Doom,but I doubt he'll be purchasing any of their future products.

[hard thistle]

i dont think it was id right? wasnt it bethesda?

[soft turret]

Fortnite has a campaign? 😭

[hard thistle]

YEAH THEY WORKED ON IT SINCE 2011

[jolly plume]

I would prefer you not making comparisons between a game and an actual real life war conflict, thank you

[soft turret]

id higher ups and bethesda ig

[sonic turret]

Either way, it's interesting to explore these discussions, although probably more appropriate for the general channel.

[hard thistle]

save the world is the campain for fortnite

[jolly plume]

One of the two. Sorry, I should know for sure

[hard thistle]

tldr large companies suck ass

(microsoft)

[soft turret]

Who's the guy who was always with Hugo during the Eternal streams? He was heavily involved in the Mick drama

[delicate grotto]

Hopefully they treat TDA’s composer, who is likely Andrew Hulshult, a bit better. Though companies tend to ignore their problems unless it financially damages them.

[soft turret]

He's definitely id

[jolly plume]

Marty

[delicate grotto]

Marty Stratton.

[sonic turret]

The Community Manager?

Or Marty?

[soft turret]

Marty

[hard thistle]

microsoft shut down mighty doom

[soft turret]

Sometimes it be hard as fuck bro I just ate the fuck out of a nestle chocolate bar 💔

[sonic turret]

Marty was the one who offered Mick a six-figure sum.

[hard thistle]

did he get six figs?

[sonic turret]

I was actually thinking about produce that literally says "Made in Israel" etc.

[hard thistle]

let me guess

[sonic turret]

He wouldn't take it, from what I remember.

[soft turret]

Oh no, I was talking about Nestle's well-known human rights violations in the third world.

[delicate grotto]

Based on Mick’s account, he was the one actively working against him. Told him he didn’t want his songs he crunched on for 10 months 5 hours before launch.

[hard thistle]

after doom eternal?

[jolly plume]

And what did he offer it for?

[sonic turret]

Ah, I'm less familiar tbh.

[sonic turret]

Like, as opposed to Bethesda.

[jolly plume]

But you haven't said what the money was being offered for, just that he offered it

[forest steeple]

He offered him the money to keep quiet and take all the blame

[soft turret]

Hush money Elon Musk style

[sonic turret]

Payment, he'd produced the soundtrack for Doom Eternal, however from what I understand, it came months after he was expecting it. I've never read his contract, so I don't know what was initially agreed, but there's likely something on paper, even as a freelancer.

[sonic turret]

Ah, and Donald Trump, I heard about this.

[soft turret]

My memories of the controversy are very vague, it happened in late 2022 and I didn't pay much attention at the time

[sonic turret]

Money's money, as long as it had the Queen' face on it.

[forest steeple]

Yeah and no, the six figire sum was straight up to keep quiet and take all the blame

[sonic turret]

It's not Mich Gordon that's going to look bad in any case.

[sonic turret]

The blame for what? What was he supposed to have done wrong?

[soft turret]

The OST

The OST was released in a poor state, the mixing was absolutely horrible

[sonic turret]

I mean I hadn't noticed.

[soft turret]

It was mixed by some other guy who isn't Gordon, and you can notice how choppy it is inbetween the lines

[sonic turret]

I heard that it was mixed by the other guy and then Mick did his own mix.

[delicate grotto]

Shit got really ugly after release. It was already bad enough leading up to launch.

[soft turret]

The Doom fandom has a lot of music geeks so it did not fly

[jolly plume]

Very interesting that you say you side with the company on this one, then. Even if it's not hush money, which most likely is considering when was the offer given (an "offer", as opposed to just give it to him because that's his money), then it's still very damning for a company to just not pay a guy they hired for months and give them something after months. Hey you kinda need that money immediately, don't you not? At least give it to him in parts

[sonic turret]

Not really, but I doubt the fans would have noticed if nothing had been said. We'd have just gone along listening to it, thinking it was Mick's and stuff.

[vapid lodge]

thats the point, the fans noticed

[jolly plume]

Yeah you can't introduce Gordon's skills in 2016 and not expect music geeks to keep an ear on the new game's OST

[vapid lodge]

the fans noticed immediately, and they asked Mick what happened and he said he didnt mix BFG Division 2020 - which sounded like shit

[sonic turret]

I mean Marty would probably call it compensation, since the story was already out and I believe that I heard about it first from id, maybe from Marty.

[jolly plume]

Marty would? The same guy that shat on Mick publically and was the reason why he's not getting hired?

[sonic turret]

Well my tech is limited, so I probably wouldn't hear those subtle differences, but I tend not to listen to the game OST while playing anyway.

[delicate grotto]

Regardless of the fans noticing, Mick worked tirelessly on the soundtrack only for it to be butchered and stitched together. Then he was blamed for the quality and couldn’t say anything about it because of an agreement he made with iD. During this time, Marty sent that open letter which painted Mick as the problem.

[soft turret]

Some of the songs in the OST do sound a bit off tbh

Cultist Base always sounded a little weird

(Talking about the album release)

[sonic turret]

I think he's not getting hired now because the damage has already been done and id realise they've blown it. I doubt it'll affect Mick's reputation though, he'll move onwards and upwards, whereas the company will have to learn a lesson from the experience.

[jolly plume]

Yeah right lmao

[delicate grotto]

He’s working on TDA with Hugo, pretty sure.

[sonic turret]

Mick?

[soft turret]

Marty.

[delicate grotto]

Oh no sorry, thought you meant Marty

[sonic turret]

Ah

[vapid lodge]

Hugo is a treasure man, the way he smiles as he explains the game

[delicate grotto]

[sonic turret]

I mean he makes it look easy, like he's enjoying it, despite the probable sleepless nights trying to meet deadlines, and wondering when he's gonna get paid.

[soft turret]

Hugo is like all of us

He's just a big geek bringing his geeky ideas to reality

[vapid lodge]

as a creative director, i dont think he is worring about bills

[forest steeple]

Stfu and don't ruin hugo for us, he's like a ray of sunshine in this world of negativity

[sonic turret]

No, I meant Mick Gordon.

[sonic turret]

I'm not sure how much Hugo would earn though.

[vapid lodge]

ah sorry, yeah he was worrying a lot during that time

[delicate grotto]

Game Devs don’t get paid as much as you think lol

[sonic turret]

Yeah, probably less than 100k.

[delicate grotto]

Actually the entire industry is shit. As with any creative industry.

[vapid lodge]

the junior ones, no, the senior ones, yes

and i doubt DOOM was coded by noobs

[delicate grotto]

I’d hope so

[sonic turret]

They say that Ed Boon's worth millions though.

[primal storm]

depends on what things you do

[delicate grotto]

Yeah that’s true

[jolly plume]

What I'd do for an oportunity like that. Even if some of my ideas sucked, they're still out there and they're mine. What a blessing

[primal storm]

complex stuff r higher paid

[primal storm]

feels so good to own something

[hard thistle]

I imagine for Hugo the honor of working on Doom and making it his own would be worth the stress.

[forest steeple]

Now imagine the potentital horror of someone else taking control of those ideas and completely misunderstanding and ruining all your life's work

[sonic turret]

I was referring to Mick Gordon, but yeah, Hugo too.

[hard thistle]

Oh, apologies lol.

[primal storm]

could u imagine if Bethesda worked on a horror game

[sonic turret]

I've been playing Doom every day for over 30 years, so it would be my dream to work on Doom, but unfortunately I studied Religion, Philosophy & Ethics at university. 😑

[jolly plume]

You didn't understand when I said he's not getting hired. A big company said he stinks and everyone ate it up. Nobody is hiring him. It did greatly affect his reputation. Everyone, including many fans, thought he was an arrogant lazy douche that got too high in his success on 2016 and felt like doing whatever he wanted in Eternal. Mick couldn't defend himself for contract reasons until 2 years later. That reputation is still tainted and you're an example of it. Siding with the company instead of the freelancer

[primal storm]

you could baptize the workers

since they fight alot of demons

[soft turret]

THIS.

[jolly plume]

That's why I would make it so my product dies immediately when I do

[soft turret]

Companies can absolutely destroy your employment possibilities

[hard thistle]

I never went to university lol.

[sonic turret]

That kinda sucks. I've seen how reputations can get smeared and the corporations say that they're difficult to manage, like how a lot of actors get switched between movies in big franchises.

[primal storm]

I mean for most jobs it's required high school diploma

[sonic turret]

No shame in that, most of us are arrogant a-holes anyway.

[hard thistle]

I just never saw the point. I already have a job I love, and I'm a homeowner now thanks to smaller Midwest housing prices.

[sonic turret]

We become politicians and the likes.

[hard thistle]

Plus I live in a tiny town so college would be a while away if I wanted to actually go there physically and meet people.

[primal storm]

well its only if u want a few more cash to your salary

[sonic turret]

Midwest, is that like NJ?

[hard thistle]

I'm in Missouri. Midwest would be basically the middle top guadrant of the North America map.

Correction, got my fuckin' geography mixed up like a moron.

[sonic turret]

Ah, without looking at the map, I'm visualising that Florida peninsula.

[jolly plume]

I don't see the point either but for some reason jobs like it when you show them a degree on stuff so I got the cheapest university available and I'm going through it to get my diploma to make my potencial bosses look at me like I'm the prettiest peacock in a see of ducks

[hard thistle]

But yeah Illinois, Ohio, the Dakotas, shit like that.

[sonic turret]

They all have really indigenous sounding names.

[hard thistle]

Many state names tend to be bastardizations of indigenous language.

[vapid lodge]

i can't believe we are getting a new doom game man, i was so extremely hyped then eternal was announced and now with Dark Ages, i screamed when i saw the reveal

[vapid lodge]

you seem like the kind of guy who did, since you said you are writer

[hard thistle]

I've been writing since I was a child, but I've never taken professional classes on it.

[unkempt thicket]

When I first saw the thumbnail of the trailer sent to Discord I couldn't believe it at first, I thought it was some concept trailer posted by someone under the name of Bethesda Softworks to attract viewers (which it isn't of course). Like everyone else I was so hyped after seeing the trailer.

DOOM is back baby.

[tame ferry]

Yeah bro I love the new skull gun

[hard thistle]

It seems the arena might be bigger too and more demons will attack

I hope I can run the game tho

Pls be optimised, I don't mind if the setting is low

[wicked abyss]

Id are the gods of optimization. If you were able to run Eternal back then, then you should have no problem :]

[sonic turret]

It never left, save for a short hiatus pre and post Doom 3.

[sonic turret]

The Skull Crusher.

[livid gulch]

I CAN'T WAIT FOR DOOM THE DARK AGES

[tame ferry]

It will probably feel a lot like 2016 but you will probably hit a lot harder

[sonic turret]

I like how it'll be flatter and less vertical, much like the classic titles in the series.

It's like building outwards rather than upwards. More room to maneuver. More area to explore.

[drifting steppe]

They mentioned something about traversal. And given that's it's more flat, why do I get the feeling that this'll all be one giant open world map?

Makes sense for the dragons to be fast-travel points.

And sometimes you could revisit old places with new abilities to open alternate paths.

[delicate grotto]

I hope it’s more or less open level design, rather than open world. I could see fast traveling with a dragon working though, especially if the maps are going to be bigger.

[jagged pecan]

agreed

but not rpg open world

[delicate grotto]

What Eternal-specific demons are you all hoping make a comeback btw? Personally I’d love to see the Whiplash and Prowler with this new art direction. Gargoyles are probably going to show up too.

[jagged pecan]

I don't want quest lines in doom kthx

[delicate grotto]

Agreed

[jolly plume]

Hopefully like Halo Infinite but way less empty and shallow af

[jagged pecan]

I am definitely NOT buying until full reviews are out. I was not pleased with eternal on initial release

[jolly plume]

Gargoyles must show up. I'm gonna be mad if they don't. They're the one demon that was created in Argent D'nur. Like come on

[hard thistle]

This would be so funny I hope they do it

[wicked abyss]

I'm the opposite. I'm pre-ordering the collectors day one. I highly regret not doing it with Eternal and I dont want that happening again

[delicate grotto]

I get the skepticism of buying games day one, but idk, I might have to break that rule for TDA

Eternal was the first game I decided to pre- order, and it didn’t disappoint. Hope launch goes as smoothly for TDA as it did for a Eternal.

Plus trying to spoiler dodge sucks

[jagged pecan]

so I tried to get to collector's edition but I didn't have the money in time before they all sold out and I got the deluxe so I didn't have to pay for any of the extra expansions and I was thoroughly pissed at the beginning and for quite a while because I didn't want to fucking platforming rhythm game

let's just say I'm happy that I didn't get the collectors cuz I would have been even more pissed to spend that kind of money and then not enjoy the game and just get a statue that was overpriced, after my experiences with the previous statue my revenant came messed up and took a bunch of extra work to get one that wasn't messed up and it still was mediocre quality....

I was satisfied with the expansions but that was well after they fixed the initial problems with eternal

[unborn light]

aye been playing some eternal and got to the cultist base to the part where you get the supershotgun, which made me ask myself

vega mentions it's a "relic from the slayer's past", and we know it's the same shotgun that we'll see in da, but is it the same as in doom 2?

[jolly plume]

I think not

[winter idol]

they are different shotguns between eternal and dark ages, they redesigned the look of it

[forest steeple]

Doom eternal and dark ages super shotguns are two very different shotguns, whether one or the other is the same one from doom 2 is unknown

[winter idol]

dark ages shotgun is lever action while eternal is classic double barrel

[unborn light]

true, forgot that

[wicked abyss]

I like to think it's the same carcass of the super shotgun and Doomguy just adds sick gadgets and removes them when he wants

[winter idol]

could be, or multiple were made

or they just changed the design cause its 1 handed

instead of 2 handed like in eternal

[jolly plume]

I think Eternal's and DA super shotguns are the same, but at some point modified to add the hook. But I don't think it's the same shotgun he had in Doom 2. He fought for millenia in hell and was at the brink of death when they found him. I don't think his shotgun survived so long

[winter idol]

i honestly dont think theres heavy lore on it, they probably mostly changed the look to be reloaded with 1 hand and also cause they dont like keeping things the same between each game

[forest steeple]

I'm no gun expert but idk if you can modify a break action shotgun into a lever action or visa versa

[jolly plume]

I gotta say they sure know how to make double barrel shotguns never feel the same and even be iconic

[wintry gyro]

Dread Knight ngl

[hard thistle]

This is currently what I believe.

I think Eternal's SSG is the same SSG from the classic games he wielded.

[jolly plume]

I have no idea either

[hard thistle]

And considering he added the meathook it's probably a Ship of Theseus deal where he's just continuously adding or replacing parts.

[wintry gyro]

The descriptions of it prove that statement too tho

VEGA says it’s the one from his past so it makes sense

[hard thistle]

I think I'm gonna replay the newer games today. Probably start with Doom 3.

Maybe I'll finally play Lost Mission.

[wicked abyss]

In the ilustrated codex you can see Doomguy wielding the classic SSG before he got his divine powers. As he is rocking the classic sentinel armour too.

[unborn light]

dunno, i just hope stone imps don't appear again

[jolly plume]

Fun little buggers

[delicate grotto]

Love their design but I’m not sure how they’ll appear in TDA unless the devs decide to create yet another variant of it, much like they’ve done with every other UAC related demon lol

And I agree, stone imps suck ass

[winter idol]

dread knights would need to slow down alot

[empty furnace]

im waiting till it goes on sale or im gonna get gamepass

[pulsar agate]

I completely forgot abt them

[empty furnace]

i hope we dont get cursed prowlers

[pulsar agate]

TDA will for sure please you on it's initial release

[fickle nacelle]

I'm just waiting for gamepass to say 'pre-install now' and 'coming soon to gamepass'

[placid saffron]

you shouldn't buy any game untill you know if it's actually what you expect. Otherwise you yourself are just as much to blame if it's a bad product

[winter idol]

not gonne be for a loooong time lmao

[placid saffron]

(claims based on absolutely nothing except frail hope)

[winter idol]

I didnt regret preordering eternal and im already convinced I will get alot of enjoyment out of dark ages so im preordering it

id software is the only company i will ever preorder from

[delicate grotto]

I can imagine how horrible that would feel in TDA, given the direction of its development

[fickle nacelle]

I'm willing to wait, I waited 4 years before I decided that I could play doom so I wasn't put off it at such a young age by the gore and the guns

[unkempt thicket]

For me, I never buy games day one, and only during major Steam sales.

[empty furnace]

what is the purpose of pre-ordering?

if you are just going to have to pay to order it anyway?

[winter idol]

there is none lmao

either i pre order or buy it the second it comes out

might as well preorder something im gaurenteed to buy

[empty furnace]

ima wait till it goes on sale

[delicate grotto]

I remember when Eternal launched, I had it preordered and my shit Internet had me wait 3 hours for it to install lmao

[winter idol]

probably wont happen until 2026

[fickle nacelle]

It just means it will download as soon as it releases + chance for pre-order bonus (like the doot skin for eternal when you pre-ordered on doom 2016)

[winter idol]

you can also predownload parts of the game to make it faster

[empty furnace]

the steam fps sale exists

[winter idol]

yea but they dont put new games on sale

[empty furnace]

gamepass too

[winter idol]

you could always do gamepass but then again you dont own the license to play it at that point

[wicked abyss]

its day one on gamepass

[delicate grotto]

I wonder how TDA will perform sales-wise, since it’s going to be on gamepass day one.

[winter idol]

probably still very well since its doom and it got extremely popular again

[delicate grotto]

True true

[empty furnace]

fym license

[wicked abyss]

I've had gamepass for like 4 years and I still buy most of the physical releases that come out on gamepass

[fickle nacelle]

I wonder if bestheda is gonna linger it in Microtransactions

[winter idol]

on steam you own the license to download and play the game, on game pass you dont, once your subscription ends, all your games are unavailable

[delicate grotto]

I’m wondering that too…

[winter idol]

bethesda dosnt do that

[empty furnace]

oh ok

i personally wont mind waiting until it goes on sale

[fickle nacelle]

You never know, I've lost trust in most game companies (excluding ID) when it comes to games

[winter idol]

you cant riddle a doom game with mxts, thats literally impossible

[fickle nacelle]

Pull an EA

[wintry gyro]

Literally the only reason I used combat shotgun in TAG

[delicate grotto]

They did kinda squeeze in some at the tail end of Eternal’s dev life, didn’t they? Iirc some skins could be purchased.

Not that it’s a big deal. Since they were easily accessible.

[winter idol]

yea but they still cycle through the skins every season

[old charm]

Exactly

[winter idol]

if cosmetics will be purchasable in dark ages, they wont be until like a year + after launch

that is if there even will be cosmetics

its such a different game from eternal that they might not do it

[grim cloud]

it really depends on the MP. If there is a horde coop mode (which everyone has been asking for the last 8 years) then there will def be cosmetics

[terse bolt]

gargoyles are supposed to be a native argenta species so theyll definitely make it, and prowlers are just plain awesome

[grim cloud]

no MP, then there really isn't a need? But bethesda is going to monetize the game whehter we like it or not

[terse bolt]

Bruisers would be a little nice

[winter idol]

I would be shocked if they added anything co-op

[grim cloud]

then the dev's were never listening to the community imo. We ahve been wanting coop since ... fucking Doom 3

not campaign CooP

[terse bolt]

co-op simply wouldnt have worked for eternal, the game was not built for multiple slayers
But we dont know enough about the dark ages to really say anything about multiplayer

[grim cloud]

but some type of arena coop

[winter idol]

recoding the ai to work for multiple players wouldnt be an easy task

[grim cloud]

they did get it working in mods, but the AI behavior didn't cooperate last i heard

yah jimmy said it

[terse bolt]

but if they were natively coded to account for multiple players it would work

[grim cloud]

the other problem is slayers slaying multiple monsters at the same time. Can caus all sorts of other issues. you really need to build the game up with coop in mind for it to work properly. The AI isn't dumb like in Classic

[winter idol]

Hugo has made it clear that there is 1 slayer and anything more, even in multiplayer, wouldnt work well

[grim cloud]

lets just hope stuff is more scalable in terms of coop. It was doable in Doom 2016

[winter idol]

Co op snap maps were still kinda jank at times

[grim cloud]

i bet if there IS coop, we play as sentinel warrior with limited kits

and perhaps add in UAC soldiers too because why not. That would be cool

[winter idol]

I would be pleasently surprised if there was co op, but i would be completely shocked if it ever got announced

Still arent sure if the uac is in the game or not

[crude hatch]

Hopefully not

We’ve had almost every game involve them, let the night sentinels have the main spotlight

[winter idol]

The accelerator is actually a sentinel weapon with sentinel markings on it so its not uac

Skull crusher has the color scheme of cultist but we really dont know if ancient cultists were a thing or not

[forest steeple]

Skull crusher is such a wild weapon I could see it be something hell made for shits and giggles or something the sentinels made for the slayer or just something the slayer put together in his free time

[grim cloud]

well we do see mars with what appears to be uac structures. Maybe it is a flash back from the Doomguy during the OG invasion

[forest steeple]

I don't think he had sentinel atlans then lol

It could just be sentinel structures we haven't seen before. nothing says they're exclusively a gothic society

[vapid lodge]

The real question is

How will we pickup weapons?

2016 style?
Or
Eternal style?

[forest steeple]

And that massive arch thing doesn't give me uac vibes personally

[delicate grotto]

Probably 2016 style

[forest steeple]

2016 style please gods above

[tidal stirrup]

[forest steeple]

And honestly just because we see a red planet doesn't immediately mean mars, maybe it's that red planet that's visible in like every single argent d'nur level

[grim cloud]

yes there is that Moon. At one point it looked exactly like mars if i recollect

[forest steeple]

I can't seem to find a good picture of it, but I swear to god id if you pull some dimension warp shit and somehow there's another mars orbiting argent d'nur for some reason I'm gonna break into hugo's house and complain in his face

[sonic turret]

I ut multiplayer is a gameplay thing, not a story thing, so it doesn't matter much to me how many Slayers are on screen at once, they could easily be marines or sentinel knights in my head canon, if need be, I mean I loved 2016 Deathmatch.

[keen quiver]

Something tells me the combat shotgun wont be returning

And we're just getting the SSG

[cyan lotus]

I’m alright with having a less bloated arsenal

[spark leaf]

The pistol makes a return x3

[keen quiver]

The trailer indicates the SSG is the first weapon you get

And I think the spike weapon will replace the Ballista

Skull crusher take the Hand Cannons place

Etc etc

Wonder what the rocket launcher will look like

[sonic turret]

The nail gun?

[keen quiver]

Yeah

[sonic turret]

I don't think there will necessarily be equivalents, they might want to come up with something completely new.

If we see parallels, then it might be purely incidental.

[keen quiver]

I would love to see a grenade launcher

[sonic turret]

I mean we had throwing grenades in Doom 2016 and Eternal, so why not.

[pulsar agate]

I didn't really love the grenades in eternal

it is a love-hate relationship for me

[sonic turret]

I liked the Ice grenades, they were useful, although perhaps a bit too useful, however I never discovered them until the DLC.

[pulsar agate]

How come?

[sonic turret]

I wasn't really a grenade guy, until the trial of Maligog.

[pulsar agate]

I prefer the grenade in doom 2016 because it is more realistic

the grenade shotgun in 2016 was literal pain

[sonic turret]

I used to spam the chainsaw and flame belch a ton, but I'd never considered using the grenades.

[pulsar agate]

I used flame belch on fodder demons in ultra-nightmare playthroughs

now I installed a mod ((lotsa ammo and crystal maxhealth and max and armor))

or ican just give myself infinite ammo with a command

[neon perch]

They sucked.

[pulsar agate]

i prefer it because it is more realistic

[neon perch]

Yeah, and they were bad in practice. You're still tossing a grenade either way. Difference is how intrusive it is vs how effective the action is during combat. 2016's grenades might've been more 'realistic' by virtue, but they were cumbersome to use and didn't add anything to the combat.

[neon perch]

It would be funny if we collected weapons 2016 style and people complained about missing weapons halfway through because they literally couldn't see them.

[mint estuary]

yeah I would love that, I was gonna say I think it could work if you had none of slayers unique abilities, but maybe faster movement to compensate and replicate old doom gameplay. but then enemies would all need to work differently, and gameplay could feel lame in comparison

[vapid lodge]

Nah, you will find them for sure

Im gonna explore the shit out of the game

[pulsar agate]

i keep getting everyone weapon very late in doom 2016

except for ssg i get it very early

[plain moon]

One way I could see an explosive weapon being implemented is by ripping the cannon off of a Mancubus and using it to fire explosive skulls.

[gusty moth]

Dam

That's pretty cool

[deft zenith]

Anyone got any ideas for what the control scheme would look like?

[hard thistle]

I JUST WATCHED THE TRAILER LMAOOOO

THAT TITAN GOT THAT SEAGULL TREATMENTTT

[slate bane]

I wish Bethesda didnt shit on Mick

him on Dark Ages would go SO HARD

[gusty moth]

Yeh

Was there anything between Hugo and Mick?

Or just mostly Marty

[vapid lodge]

i think i might know what we will get from collectors edition

it could be the doom bible, that Hugo mentioned a few times

that contains all the lore

[plain moon]

Death match will likely be the multiplayer for this game since it takes place around the civil war. Knight Sentinels vs Marauders in different environments with either a variety of weapons or just melee weapons.

[cunning harbor]

You think Dark ages will have 2016 multiplayer?

[plain moon]

Something similar, yeah. A lot of people didn’t really like battle mode and wanted death match back so that’s probably what they’re going to do for this game.

[cunning harbor]

God I can’t wait

I’m getting 40k vibes from the game. More lore baby

[weary current]

everyone, andrew hulshult just retweeted the dark ages teaser
y'all know what that means... he's gonna be a lead composer on dark ages, probably

[weary current]

i don't think so, it was mostly just marty by the looks of it, i doubt mick has anything against hugo

[soft turret]

I'm pretty sure Hugo's not even/was not even in the work position to deal with those kind of matters

[dense knoll]

ui

[placid saffron]

i hope not. I hope it just has the basegame toolkit deathmatch/team deathmatch if it even has MP, i'd actually rather have them solely focus on singleplayer

[hard thistle]

Personally I would rather they skip out on multiplayer to devote resources to the single player campaign. Both of the last games haven't exactly knocked it out of the park with MP.

[plain moon]

Third time’s the charm

[sonic turret]

Maybe Machine Games can focus on a new Quake Multiplayer, which will allow id to focus on a rock solid Doom campaign.

[delicate grotto]

Agreed. Although I really enjoyed Snapmap. Gave the console community access to unique content.

[sonic turret]

I think they might have some kind of Deathmatch mode, but hopefully not his as time and resource consuming as Doom Eternal, since I'm more of a campaign guy.

[placid saffron]

if they have a MP, imo they should make it play like the singleplayer. There is literally no reason for a SP game to have a MP game that doesn't even play like the SP

[cunning harbor]

Still that multiplayer was fun

I wish it was back

[grim cloud]

i want quake SP, and one with Shubster AND Strogg because im greedy. Well mostly "why not have both" because everyone wants one OR the other

[delicate grotto]

If there’s to be anything outside the campaign, I’d rather it be a proper horde mode. Don’t really care much for Deathmatch tbh, though I know I’m probably the minority there.

[grim cloud]

but the big question i have for Machine Games ... Wolfenstein 3?

[sonic turret]

Because people are becoming more interested in the Doom lore and exploration and they can only fit so much into one game, even with next generation consoles, so it's preferable that they focus on proficiency in one area. Meanwhile MG or someone else could focus on the next Quake Arena/Champions successor, for those that prefer multiplayer gaming.

[plain moon]

Just had an idea. Doom TDA multiplayer with three modes:
-Death match: with the civil war going on, the Night Sentinels and Marauders are constantly at each other’s throats leading to constant skirmishes between the two factions.
-Titan brawl: take control of either an Atlan mech or a demonic titan and go one-on-one against your opponent in a titanic boxing match.
-Dragon racing: mount your dragons and prepare to race across vast battlefields while trying to take down your opponents in high octane bursts of speed.

[sonic turret]

They've already made five Wolfenstein games and have probably decided it's time to move on.

[grim cloud]

well there was officially suppose to be a third one

[placid saffron]

no offense but i would love ID not to waste any resources on "dragon racing"

[grim cloud]

if the next Quake is MP only, i dont think anyone will care. It needs both

[delicate grotto]

Still, sounds fun af, if implemented properly. But you’d have to create entirely new controls/mechanics on top of it all, where your controls wouldn’t be anything like SP.

And at that point, just make a different game lol

[placid saffron]

in that case don't bother at all. Again, no need to make a MP gamemode that is not even like the singleplayer... in a singleplayer centered game

[sonic turret]

I mean if you count the prequel and the less liked sequel, I'd say they've probably achieved that, unless they've promised to commit to a future title too.

[delicate grotto]

Exactly

[honest zenith]

Pfffft

[grim cloud]

I hope for Horde Coop, Deathmatch AND invasions. But taht would be asking for too much.

[placid saffron]

invasions don't make sense without something like battlemode

[grim cloud]

Yes and No, A lot of work went into making demons playable. Why not refurbish those assets?

with that said, the MP DLC maps for Doom 2016 should be used in some for again. They were awesome

[sonic turret]

I'd go for Deathmatch, simply because it's always been an id staple and I enjoyed the 2016 Deathmatch energy, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it, since I'm in it for the campaign. If I want to play multiplayer, I'll always have Fortnite.

I'll DM Hugo to encourage him to focus on the campaign mode.

[agile osprey]

it was id

bethesda wasnt the dumbass for once

[placid saffron]

because the games will literally not be the same, and most likely will even use a new engine making those assets not copy-pastable but require complete rewrites

[plain moon]

Multiplayer has been a core aspect of Doom games since the beginning so it’d be weird for TDA not to have one.

[quartz island]

Bro did you ask chat gpt

[grim cloud]

from what we know, TDA is still using idtech 7. "latest" in idtech, idtech 8 is still in development i hear

[plain moon]

Nah, that was all off the dome

[grim cloud]

they modified and adapted the 2016 playable demons into eternal. That doesn't mean they can't do the same here.

[wind dew]

I got a new banner

[placid saffron]

imagine paying for a talk app smh my head

[neon gust]

when you think about it having a cellphone is basically that

[serene veldt]

Now hell is going have to deal with the Mecha Doom Slayer.💀

[snow nova]

I want the Slayer to toss his chainsaw shield on a titan's leg to cut it off, then he rips his head off with the mecha arms

[gusty moth]

O

[primal storm]

that would be quite the show ngl

[grim cloud]

8 weeks till quakecon. It can't come soon enough

I hope we get 15-20 minutes of gameplay like we did with Eternal and 2016. Not to mention concept arts and some lore breadcrumbs. I will be there this year

[sweet stirrup]

Doom McQueen

[grim cloud]

taking wife and kids, they will get the FULL experiance of my "nerdism"

[primal storm]

doom the peak ages

[gusty moth]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doomguy-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-17796023110931187535

[primal storm]

YOO WAIT

what if in tda we start off from the ending of doom 64?

[misty beacon]

What if the game starts by doomguy kissing his gay husband?

[delicate grotto]

Lmao

[primal storm]

i would be quite surprised

[misty beacon]

me too tbh haha

[gusty moth]

doom the freaky ages

😼

[misty beacon]

No more slaying, only gaying

https://tenor.com/view/slay-zendaya-girl-yes-yass-gif-8836657

[gusty moth]

[misty beacon]

but even i say, lets hope they wont bring anything politically charged into it

skins are all cool and dandy, but lets keep it real

[gusty moth]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-crying-anime-gif-9027702

[primal storm]

bethesda is very random

[neon gust]

Have we ever had politics in Doom aside from the obvious "nazis are bad"

[misty beacon]

id software makes the game
Bethesda is just the publisher

[gusty moth]

isnt that wolfenstein

[misty beacon]

i dont think so?

[neon gust]

Doom II MAP30 is a Wolfenstein level

[primal storm]

and bethesda what would be then .-. i mean i dont really know their role and stuff

[gusty moth]

o

[misty beacon]

They publish it

e.g marketing, managing all the stores etc.

[neon gust]

Doom II explicitly states that the Nazis of Wolfenstein are specifically placed in Hell

[primal storm]

oh wow they just taking all the work bassically lmao

[misty beacon]

all that jibber jabber

Its a HELL of a rabbithole

[gusty moth]

more complicated than that

[primal storm]

yea i can imagine it, needing to publish it on multiple platforms, especially on pc where ppl just use mods and stuff

[misty beacon]

Especially with being familiar with EVERY LAW (regarding videogames), in EVERY COUNTRY, you wanna release ur shit

That alone is a HuMUNGOS clusterfuck

[primal storm]

yea nd they would need to read the law of the country b4 releasing to that country

man its making me feel stressed even tho i wont do any of that

[misty beacon]

They have a huge legal team, i one hundo trust bethesda with that kinda stuff

[neon gust]

Ultimately you can distinguish a game developed by id Software from a game developed by Bethesda because in-house Bethesda games tend to be mid lmao

[gusty moth]

man

all this complicated corporate shit 😵‍💫

[neon gust]

The world runs on that complicated corporate shit sadly

[primal storm]

i mean its a big ass company soo.. it would make sense to have a huge team of multiple categories

[gusty moth]

monetization > anything else

[primal storm]

the money spent on staff team tho

[neon gust]

That goes without saying, it's an industry with products and consumers just like anything else in this society

[gusty moth]

😞

[misty beacon]

Huge ass family too
Microsoft > Zenimax > Bethesda > Bethesda Publishing > id software
^ Thats the basic chain rn

And of course AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL the other related branches of studios, department's etc.

[primal storm]

i mean you seen browser games? u click the play button and it loads you 30second ad

[gusty moth]

that reminds me

had a nightmare yesterday while taking a nap, and played a browser game, got a virus, and got everything on my pc deleted

shit was traumatizing 😨

[primal storm]

bigger than i expected ngl tho its my first time i heared about zenimax,

[primal storm]

bro my most recent nightmare was about subnautica

those damm ghost leviathans scare me

[gusty moth]

subnautica a good game?

[misty beacon]

But one thing we have to keep in mind, be it bethesda or even id software.
Without YOU GUYS (YES ALL OF YOU!), they would be worth nothing without the fans buying the games

Just a nice little thing to remember

[primal storm]

yea unless you're scared of ocean

[gusty moth]

oh

[primal storm]

but if u wanna play the game and want lots of metal u need to go at the back of the rocket (aurora)

[primal storm]

it has plenty of it

[primal storm]

i mean judging this fanbase tda will already be out of stock on the first day of release

[misty beacon]

Basically the overlords, one step below MS
https://www.zenimax.com/en

[gusty moth]

i love how this somehow ended all the way to discussing metal in subnautica 😭

[neon gust]

Very true. Even though games make the fans, it's the fans that carry the games foward into sequels and novel ideas in the industry. Let's crack open a cold one and drink to ourselves 🙏

[primal storm]

if people will buy the disc version

[misty beacon]

Well said, cheers on that

[primal storm]

gotta give advice to new players

[gusty moth]

🫡

[primal storm]

tho if u want to earn a platninium trophy very fast just play subnautica

[primal storm]

u earn trophies as u progress on the game

[gusty moth]

like on steam?

[primal storm]

idk if there are any achievements on steam when playing a game since im a console user

[misty beacon]

Collectors Edition my beloved, this time im gonna get one. And if if i have to kill someone for it... ||(For legal reasons: I mean in minecraft)||

[gusty moth]

o

steam has a clusterfuck of stuff u gotta remember, i dont even bother paying attention

like u can trade cards and stuff on that, for some arbitrary reason

[primal storm]

id software got everything they need ngl

[primal storm]

tho i know there is the option to get refunded a game if u finish it under 2 hours

[gusty moth]

yeh

but gl with that