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void condor Sep 8, 2024, 8:53 PM

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Updated the gist to reflect the latest changes: https://gist.github.com/dazKind/b36475c0846491aefdfb12c5f831daba

obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 8:53 PM

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nice, must be something on my end then

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:00 PM

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ah better

obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:04 PM

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there's also a dedicated GC zone I added but commented out which could probably be enabled now (see __hxt_gc_start and __hxt_gc_end)

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wasn't too sure what to put in it's location data, its not really that important, the interesting part is knowing how often and how long it takes so I just set the function to the gc_start one

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:15 PM

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added them. currently thinking.
Here is something other, if the paths are absolute then we get source preview

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obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:17 PM

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I though of that the other day and as a test prefixed a string to the file sent in the source info struct so the paths to the .hx files were absolute

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unfortunately it didn't seem to work, I didn't get the source preview for haxe files and I didn't get the option to open the source file in some of the other views

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guessing it only supports c & c++ header and implementation files

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:18 PM

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it works for me with the std haxe code

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check the last screenshot 😄

obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:19 PM

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ah, right, so it does

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I'll see if I can find the bit of UI I was thinking of

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this zone info window, I wasn't getting that "Source" button in the top right for haxe zones even if the path was absolute

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:20 PM

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obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:20 PM

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wot

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:22 PM

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This is bonkerz

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I love it

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Here you can see which thread actually collects

obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:28 PM

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just modified the cpp generator so that the stack frames file locations are absolute instead of relative

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so you might get those preview and source navigation stuff for all haxe code

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:33 PM

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you have this in a fork?

obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:33 PM

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just pushed it to a branch, you'll be able to download the compiler binaries once the CI has ran

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https://github.com/Aidan63/haxe/actions/runs/10763263807

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 9:33 PM

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cool

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damn we are going fast. I need to update the docs/PR real quick

obtuse burrow Sep 8, 2024, 9:36 PM

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if that change works well I'll give it some more testing with other hxcpp stuff (I believe the hxcpp debugger uses that stack info) to make sure it hasn't broken anything and open a PR to the compiler

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I'll then have to update my stashed memory allocation tracking stuff to go with the new structure

void condor Sep 8, 2024, 10:38 PM

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ok, just tested your preview

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Some classes that are directly in my project received a full string, but anything else is just cut off at the toplevel

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GC::new linenumbers seem to be incrementing

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happens to some of my classes as well, even overflowing

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this is a cppia compile with -D HXCPP_STACK_TRACE -D HXCPP_STACK_LINE and the host -D HXCPP_TRACY -D HXCPP_TELEMETRY -D HXCPP_STACK_TRACE -D HXCPP_STACK_LINE

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checking the native compile now

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ok, a lot more absolute paths local to my project now. most stuff is still toplevel relative. GC:new linenumber still incrementing, that seems like a bug.

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wtf, why is inSize used as linenumber here!??! It's using allocation sizes as linenumbers... https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/blob/08f88ff314eeaa165dd76272f92c8030cc879ec2/src/hx/gc/Immix.cpp#L6625

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it's been like that since 2013....

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guess noone ever bothered, tells you a lot about the situation around telemetry & tooling

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fixed in our fork

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gah the path is also wrong. I guess this is some leftover from a refactor Hugh did

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All this just proves the value of a proper profiler integration. it makes all that stuff visible

obtuse burrow Sep 9, 2024, 6:05 AM

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void condor Some classes that are directly in my project received a full string, but anythin...

turns out there is an existing hxml define, absolute-path , which already does this and so my change was conflicting with that

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this define also only worked with files in the standard library, I've updated it so user files should also be absolute when using that define

obtuse burrow Sep 9, 2024, 6:06 AM

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void condor wtf, why is inSize used as linenumber here!??! It's using allocation sizes as li...

yeah, I spotted that the other day as well

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I got rid of that stack frame entirely in my local changes as when I was messing around with allocation tracking "GC::new" would always be the allocations stack preview which isn't very useful

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:06 AM

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wow this is lovely

pearl slate Sep 9, 2024, 8:07 AM

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so much crazy progress - looks amazing

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:14 AM

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the amount of logging tracy has lags my app

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its quite crazy

pearl slate Sep 9, 2024, 8:14 AM

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does that affect the metrics?

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:14 AM

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I have no idea

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:15 AM

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at a certain point, yes

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:15 AM

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crap :D

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:15 AM

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You will saturate the sender-thread

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:15 AM

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Maybe this is a bug

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I closed my app but tracy continued to run

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had to kill the terminal/task

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:16 AM

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Yes, the app will stay around till it has send everything to the profiler

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or you click stop in the UI

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:16 AM

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oh wow, then it was seriously saturated

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because it was hanging around for a good 30 secs before i decided to kill the terminal

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 8:21 AM

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void condor Yes, the app will stay around till it has send everything to the profiler

I just retested and I don't think this is going on

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tracy is receiving no new data but it is still connected to my app even though the window as exited

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yeah app cut off at 30secs

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maybe something to do with ceramic?

grizzled laurel Sep 9, 2024, 9:01 AM

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Holy Mother of god that is alot of data

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 9:29 AM

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hmm, maybe we have a bug somewhere. Maybe we need to profile the profiler

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😄

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 9:30 AM

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grizzled laurel Holy Mother of god that is alot of data

The tracy documentation has a lot of explaination on how data flows

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 9:32 AM

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ionic badger tracy is receiving no new data but it is still connected to my app even though t...

You also want to review the tracy docs concerning the workflow and UI

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Please note that the Tracy UI app is for interactive profiling, you can also run the cmdline version to capture and save data to disc

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and the load&review that via the UI app

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The documentation has like 30 pages about the UI and how to use it

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 9:49 AM

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ionic badger the amount of logging tracy has lags my app

Maybe it makes sense to allow a setting to limit stack depth for people to customize their focus better. I'll defo check if we are using things wrong / are a bit too verbose at profile-time

ionic badger Sep 9, 2024, 10:10 AM

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if it helps I have an i7-9700k

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on board graphics
32gb ram
m.2 ssd

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just for some context to 'performance'

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 10:14 AM

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ok, I found the problem Im having. It's related to haxeui canvas drawing. It just creates tooo many calls into haxeui killing my performance

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when it creates all the stacktraces it crashes the FPS

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I added 2 more compile defines: HXCPP_TRACY_NO_EXIT & HXCPP_TRACY_ON_DEMAND
@obtuse burrow First one is for short lived apps (see docs)
@ionic badger Second one will only generate profiler data when there is an connection active otherwise no data is generated

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just pushed

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 10:55 AM

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Yes, now I get it. We are sending a callstack for every zone. Callstacks should be optional

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 11:13 AM

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When we send them, we also include at least 5 entries per stack that we dont need

obtuse burrow Sep 9, 2024, 4:24 PM

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https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/haxe/pull/11763 compiler PR for working absolute paths in hxcpp stackframes

clear dome Sep 9, 2024, 4:43 PM

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👀

obtuse burrow Sep 9, 2024, 5:12 PM

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getting somewhere with non large alloc tracking

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saw tooth has turnt into a "shark fin" due to needing to make a separate tracy free call for each alloc

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but this is also a worse case scenario (while true loop just making random allocs), so not indicative of usual program usage (hopefully...)

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something also seems wrong with the reported alloc sizes in that wndow. 20 - 30 bytes seems awfully low when my alloc spamming code is this...

function do_allocs() {
    final size  = 1024 + Std.random(2048);
    final bytes = Bytes.alloc(size);
}

obtuse burrow Sep 9, 2024, 7:02 PM

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got it figured out, added a new __hxt_gc_alloc to get generic allocation info, the one downside of tracy is that we can't do anything GC specific. So the existing hxt function which differentiate between string, object, and array allocations aren't that useful to us.

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:16 PM

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very cool!

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:17 PM

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obtuse burrow https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/haxe/pull/11763 compiler PR for working absolu...

gotta test this tomorrow

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added new define HXCPP_TRACY_INCLUDE_CALLSTACKS, by default callstacks wont be included and the default profiling should be more friendly for @ionic badger . People can use the new define to explicitly switch them on

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:25 PM

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obtuse burrow https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/haxe/pull/11763 compiler PR for working absolu...

Simn has merged it 😄

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 8:26 PM

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obtuse burrow got it figured out, added a new `__hxt_gc_alloc` to get generic allocation info,...

too bad, but no deal breaker I assume?

obtuse burrow Sep 9, 2024, 9:53 PM

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void condor too bad, but no deal breaker I assume?

think it should be fine, I've just implemented it as a no-op function in the old hxtelemetry implementation file

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I was hoping to get large allocs back up and working but I did something and now its all playing silly buggers with me

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so both small and large alloc tracking currently doesn't work and I didn't commit after getting small tracking done...

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problem for tomorrow evening

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 10:12 PM

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take it easy, we are ahead of schedule

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Put tracy to good use. Now hot-reloading resources in release-mode is pretty ok

void condor Sep 9, 2024, 10:29 PM

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obtuse burrow problem for tomorrow evening

Concerning Tracy, I see 4 more things left to be crossed off the todo-list:

I have to test the absolute path PR
Add your memory tracking
Somehow expose the TracyC macros to the user(maybe even externs), so he can create custom app-specific zones
review/revise the feature compilation flags so everything make sense from a user's perspective
Create a haxe PR for a cpp.tracy.TracyTelemetry.hx that exposes the globals and write some docs
(6. Bonus: Add & Test the screenshot capabilities)

grizzled laurel Sep 10, 2024, 7:41 AM

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void condor Concerning Tracy, I see 4 more things left to be crossed off the todo-list: 1. I...

Ive seen files in tracy for opengl, vk, etc.
I haven't checked them out in depth yet, but are there plans to add that too?

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 7:56 AM

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grizzled laurel Ive seen files in tracy for opengl, vk, etc. I haven't checked them out in depth...

These fall under point 3.

grizzled laurel Sep 10, 2024, 7:57 AM

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Epic!

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Really cool stuff you guys are working on!

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 8:21 AM

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thx, should be a cool result with lots of benefit for the community

pearl slate Sep 10, 2024, 8:29 AM

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massive benefits

grizzled laurel Sep 10, 2024, 2:22 PM

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massive doesn't even begin to cover how benefitial this will be

obtuse burrow Sep 10, 2024, 5:49 PM

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sorted out the allocation tracking, I just hadn't read the tracy pdf page on unique pointers which solved all my issues

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allocations are split into either the SOH (small object heap) or LOH (large object heap). does not currently work with any GC settings which cause objects to move (GC_MOVING, GENERATIONAL)

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using the memory window you should be able to filter by the small or large heap and see all allocations made

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depending on how taxing this is we may want to lock it behind some sort of define

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outside of working with moving GCs there are several other bits of info which might be useful

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tracking roots and pins since they cause objects to get retained and have to be manually managed.
for the generational GC displaying each generation as a different graph

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 7:23 PM

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hoooly shit that is useful

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 7:24 PM

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obtuse burrow depending on how taxing this is we may want to lock it behind some sort of defin...

yep, but lets see. testing some things atm

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when I start the ui-app and have it wait for a connection and then start my app it seems to run into this. Doesnt happen with on-demand profiling

obtuse burrow Sep 10, 2024, 7:31 PM

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hmm, I thought I solved all those issues...

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try commenting out the tracy macros which track large objects and see if it then works fine

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 7:37 PM

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yep

obtuse burrow Sep 10, 2024, 7:37 PM

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large objects can be placed into a special recycling list and re-used in between GC collections. I wonder if you've got a large object being re-used before a GC collection which would cause it to call the alloc macro twice

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 7:37 PM

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that made a difference

obtuse burrow Sep 10, 2024, 7:38 PM

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I'll look into some smarter large object recycling tracking then

obtuse burrow Sep 10, 2024, 8:00 PM

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just pushed a change which might help with that issue

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 8:30 PM

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nope, still happening

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If you feel like checking addresses I can send you the saved trace 😄

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dm'ed you the trace. It's cortex starting up and analyzing its assets

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like 4 GC-cycles in & LOH worked heavily

obtuse burrow Sep 10, 2024, 8:41 PM

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thanks, I'll take a look. think I might also be able to trigger it with some carefully crafted byte allocations as well

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 9:43 PM

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added HXCPP_TRACY_MEMORY to enable/disable the memory tracking

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 10:08 PM

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obtuse burrow https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/haxe/pull/11763 compiler PR for working absolu...

Just tested this. This is soooo awesome! Now I can tell @pearl slate where to inline more trollface j/k! Again awesome!

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effing gamechanger when looking at zones

void condor Sep 10, 2024, 11:01 PM

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omg, didnt test shader editing & hot-reloading ever since I rewrote the resource management. This is soo much fun now

clear dome Sep 11, 2024, 8:43 AM

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new hxcpp release with all those cool stuff, when 😄 ? (looks awesome)

void condor Sep 11, 2024, 3:19 PM

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clear dome _new hxcpp release with all those cool stuff, when 😄 ?_ (looks awesome)

current plan is to get the PR out of draft till friday. Then we'll see what happens

obtuse burrow Sep 11, 2024, 7:17 PM

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void condor like 4 GC-cycles in & LOH worked heavily

think threading is involved in this problem. large objects are tracked by the global allocator in hxcpp but I was tracking them with our per thread telemetry object. This could lead to situations where two threads get the same large object pointer since its been recycled but they don't know about each other so each issue a tracy alloc event

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I've now switched over to tracking large objects globally, hopefully that will solve things

void condor Sep 11, 2024, 8:07 PM

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obtuse burrow think threading is involved in this problem. large objects are tracked by the gl...

ah! This makes sense

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 1:01 PM

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I think we can remove the GC zone since we have a valid GC::collect parent

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 1:02 PM

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obtuse burrow I've now switched over to tracking large objects globally, hopefully that will s...

Memory is no longer crashing for me with your latest changes

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 3:59 PM

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Hey, is there a way to bypass hx:String in extern functions? I wanna essentially create a string at compiletime for a const expr

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goal is to use the tracy macros directly for cases where the user wants to tag a certain zone

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I can prolly write a haxe macro that assembles an untyped __cpp__('ZoneScopedN("my custom zone")')

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:24 PM

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hmm, can see how thats a pain

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easiest might be to create a macro which extracts the string literal and places it in that untyped call?

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:25 PM

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yep

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I have that working, but I cant get the include to follow the macro call around

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:25 PM

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might want to construct the tracy::SourceLocationData struct ourselves, otherwise we get cpp file and line data

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:25 PM

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void condor I have that working, but I cant get the include to follow the macro call around

ah, right

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can't really create a __hxt_zone function either as the RAII stuff means if will just profile that function...

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and requiring the user to manually stop the zone is a pain

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:26 PM

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obtuse burrow might want to construct the `tracy::SourceLocationData` struct ourselves, otherw...

hmm

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lemme think what I would wanna use this for

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:29 PM

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that ZoneScopedN macro expands to

static constexpr tracy::SourceLocationData __tracy_source_location54{ "test", __FUNCTION__, "D:\\programming\\haxe\\hxcpp\\src\\hx\\TelemetryTracy.cpp", (uint32_t)54, 0 };
tracy::ScopedZone ___tracy_scoped_zone(&__tracy_source_location54, true);

so ideally we'd do something like that but fill in haxe file and line data instead?

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could be done in a macro or a bit of untyped to fetch the current stack context and inspect that

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Don't know what the lifetime of the source location data needs to be for the scoped stuff

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maybe it doesn't need to be static / outlive the scope

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:31 PM

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On my list there are 2 use-cases:

As a user I want to be able to mark special zones in my application code emitting Haxe source-locations
As a user I want to be able to mark special stuff in native / extern code using tracy directly, emitting cpp-code locations

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let's question case 1 given the fact that the current implementation already maps your full app on the haxe-side if telemetry is on

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concerning case 2, I think we just let the user figure out how to get ahold of the header, since it's an advanced use-case anyway

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thoughts?

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:38 PM

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yeah, letting the user include the tracy header someway for 2 sounds fine

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:39 PM

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ok, how about we skip these scopes then

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cause then all that is left is more testing, clean up and docs

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:40 PM

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might be easiest for now

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:41 PM

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ok

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on to the next issue then

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obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:43 PM

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I've noticed that as well sometimes, not sure what causes it

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:43 PM

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This is when we run without callstacks https://github.com/cortex-engine/hxcpp/blob/master/src/hx/TelemetryTracy.cpp#L219

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:44 PM

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ah, right

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:45 PM

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Im not sure if it's a problem, but interestingly it's not present in the branch that uses ___tracy_emit_zone_begin_alloc_callstack

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I guess I can disable telemetry, add tracy_enable and compare it to our very first StackPosition Hack

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 4:53 PM

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PDF says "Zone trace, taking into account the zone tree and call stack information (section 3.11), trying to
reconstruct a combined zone + call stack trace(85)"

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with footnote 85 being "Reconstruction is only possible if all zones have complete call stack capture data available. In the case where that’s not available, an unknown frames entry will be present."

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 4:53 PM

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ah!

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good spot!

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this is sooo good now. Drilling down on all the allocations per zone is sooo cool

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 5:01 PM

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I pushed a new commit for that 20ish minutes ago which hopefully improves things and doesn't break anything

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:01 PM

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obtuse burrow I pushed a new commit for that 20ish minutes ago which hopefully improves things...

yep, saw and grabbed it

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no issue so far and LOH tracking resembles the gc-counter graphs again

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 5:03 PM

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still need to think about what (if anything for now) we do for allocation tracking and GC options which cause objects to move

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that compile error is probably fine since those options aren't enabled by default

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but I'd like to get it working at some point

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:04 PM

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hmm yes, gc behaves pretty differently in those modes

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:05 PM

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obtuse burrow that compile error is probably fine since those options aren't enabled by defaul...

agreed. I declare it nice-to-have

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 5:06 PM

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void condor

that image does remind me it would be nice to be able to name threads

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:06 PM

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lemme check

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 5:06 PM

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tracy does expose functionality for that, so we could add some sort of __hxt_name_thread function

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:07 PM

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will do

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feel free to lemme know what else you wanna include in the first release

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 5:07 PM

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but also, might be worth checking if tracy peeks into the platform specific API to see if the thread has a name already (can set one with win32 iirc)

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so it might be a nice general haxe improvement to be able to create a thread with a name (will benefit debuggers and other tools as well that way)

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 5:08 PM

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void condor feel free to lemme know what else you wanna include in the first release

nothing comes to mind right now, think the most useful stuff is pretty much all in now

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:16 PM

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just realized that profiling might work out of the box on rooted android devices and ios(albeit limited in options)

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 5:44 PM

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obtuse burrow tracy does expose functionality for that, so we could add some sort of __hxt_nam...

works. Will commit after a smoke

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ok, guess what's left is reviewing / renaming the HXCPP_TRACY_* defines + docs

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 6:01 PM

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void condor On my list there are 2 use-cases: 1. As a user I want to be able to mark special...

I have just had an idea which might solve both of these reasonably well... will give it a quick try

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 6:04 PM

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I'll have to prepare a PR draft for adding cpp.vm.tracy.Telemetry.hx to std

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 6:49 PM

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ok, just pushed a commit which does a few things

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It adds a new hx/TelemetryTracy.h header which includes all the tracy stuff and has the __hxcpp_tracy definitions.

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this should allow anyone making hxcpp externs to add #include <hx/TelemetryTracy.h> and have access to all the hxcpp and tracy stuff

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It also adds a HXCPP_TRACY_ZONE macro function which should add a named tracy zone with the provided ::String and current stack frame

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this is designed to be called from haxe generated cpp files as it assumes the presence of a _hx_stackframe variable, so we need some extern to expose it to haxe

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take a look at the __hxcpp_tracy_test_zone function I added to see usage / view the macro expansion (should be removed if / when were happy with all this)

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 7:53 PM

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obtuse burrow this is designed to be called from haxe generated cpp files as it assumes the pr...

awesome! I simply reworked the utility class into an extern to make things work again. The custom zones work as well, though we might be missing something concerning the stringlength and the paths. Otherwise it seems to work flawless.

Tracy.zoneScoped("Test");

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see https://gist.github.com/dazKind/b36475c0846491aefdfb12c5f831daba

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:06 PM

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yea, just spotted that as well, seems I had some arguments the wrong way round

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 8:10 PM

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strange, it only cuts "Test", not the other one

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this could explain why

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:21 PM

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I'm using the length value from the optional utf8_str function, maybe that doesn't include the null terminating character in the length and tracy expects it does? so off by one?

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although it seems to be working fine for me with my latest commit

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 8:22 PM

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ó.Ò

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2 secs

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:24 PM

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not cut off in the zone view

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 8:27 PM

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I have this one zone that is cut off after 3 chars

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wtf

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Are you testing multiple ones?

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:28 PM

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no, I'll try that

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 8:28 PM

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like I just threw a few around my code

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try multiple in the same file

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:35 PM

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void condor

I started getting these but as errors instead of warnings, now pushing a fix

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hmmm

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 8:46 PM

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ok, so im not crazy

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😄

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looks like we are constructing a string with an overflowing / invalid length in that macro

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obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:54 PM

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think its related to the utf8_str call, I used name.length instead of the length that function gives and it appears to work

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void condor Sep 12, 2024, 8:54 PM

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also, are you missing a param in utf8_str?

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 8:56 PM

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void condor also, are you missing a param in utf8_str?

don't think so, I'm using the overload which takes a custom buffer and outputs the length

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or, I should be

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utf8_str outputs a length of 9, which explains why its cut off

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going to confirm that the second utf8_str arg is actually length...

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:05 PM

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hmm I see that the pointer to the length enter the function with a dereferenced value of 3 and length 8 should be assigned, but it returns and the length stays the initial 3, explain the FOO for me. but that means that maybe something is out of order. lemme try something

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precedence

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got it

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:12 PM

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nice!

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:21 PM

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almost killed myself with a rebase

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pushed

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:23 PM

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😂 I don't want to know the number of times I've accidentally nuked changes with a rebase

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ah, right, that extra boolean argument in utf8_str

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:28 PM

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that's optional

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i think we ran into some undefined behavior of our compilers

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Order of evaluation of any part of any expression, including order of evaluation of function arguments is unspecified (with some exceptions listed below). The compiler can evaluate operands and other subexpressions in any order, and may choose another order when the same expression is evaluated again.

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:30 PM

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lovely! sounds like perfectly sensible behaviour...

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:31 PM

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so sometimes the pointer was written before utf8_str other times not

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glad we caught that

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cpp is such a clusterfuck https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/eval_order

cpp/language/eval order

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:32 PM

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remembered we had issue before with the getDepth function of the stack context with cppia. So I've just added a __hxcpp_tracy_get_zone_count function to get the size of that tracy zone vector and have the macro use that, just in case

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:33 PM

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void condor cpp is such a clusterfuck https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/eval_order

it really is

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:38 PM

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right, cppia, that will ofc fail

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currently the zoneScoped will inline that macro in wherever scope it is used, in cppia the macro needs to wrapped and thus will cause a wrapped call + location

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but it's an ok tradeoff since you can use the timings of the wrapper zone

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i guess

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:42 PM

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yeah, not sure how you could make it work the same on cppia, RAII and needing a wrapper function makes it difficult

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:42 PM

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NOONE USES CPPIA RIGHT? 😄

ionic badger Sep 12, 2024, 9:43 PM

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how's cppia's performance at runtime? 😂

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:43 PM

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obtuse burrow yeah, not sure how you could make it work the same on cppia, RAII and needing a ...

I think it's ok since we are talking about custom zones

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:44 PM

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ionic badger how's cppia's performance at runtime? 😂

worse than native, esp when you compile all & run all of haxeui like I do 😄

ionic badger Sep 12, 2024, 9:45 PM

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maybe i'll play with it one day

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:45 PM

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I wish we could get https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/issues/1150 fixed

GitHub

[cppia] Cant seem to get host to call extern super functions · Issu...

So Ive reduced my problem scope to the following: In the cppia host: class FakeButton extends FakeInteractiveComponent { public override function someFunction() { super.someFunction(); trace("...

ionic badger Sep 12, 2024, 9:45 PM

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but i've had this passive idea of a haxeui builder, where the compile times are low

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a gui for building layouts

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:46 PM

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coz then haxeui and it's huge inheritance tree can be compiled into the host and properly used from the script-side

ionic badger Sep 12, 2024, 9:46 PM

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build it in an editor, copy paste the xml/styles to project when done

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:47 PM

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haxeui cppia compiles are pretty stable around 3-4 secs for me

ionic badger Sep 12, 2024, 9:47 PM

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your project here has certainly brought that idea up to the surface

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because this would just be basically a "just haxeui" app i suspect the build times would be lower as well

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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it depends a bit on haxeui's macros, since they steal most of the compiletime

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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ionic badger build it in an editor, copy paste the xml/styles to project when done

can totally be done I think

ionic badger Sep 12, 2024, 9:48 PM

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it would require some POC to figure out the value

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but some tool to make building UI easier, would be nice

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:51 PM

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obtuse burrow yeah, not sure how you could make it work the same on cppia, RAII and needing a ...

Dont worry, we leave it like that for the moment

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All that is left now is cleanup, renaming a few things and docs

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Hereby I declare a feature freeze

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@obtuse burrow seems like we are scaring folks! blobmeltsob ❤️

obtuse burrow Sep 12, 2024, 9:58 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

Tenor

predator

▶ Play video

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"joining forces"

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 9:59 PM

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lolol, couldnt have thought of a better gif

void condor Sep 12, 2024, 10:59 PM

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I think I mentioned this before, but just browsing around makes me soooo happy

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hahaha

clear dome Sep 13, 2024, 8:53 AM

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"I understand"

void condor Sep 13, 2024, 6:28 PM

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there is nothing quite like having a business breaking bug at work on a friday 5pm...

ionic badger Sep 13, 2024, 6:40 PM

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oh no lol

void condor Sep 13, 2024, 6:47 PM

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was cool, at least I was able to fell like the guy in charge on the floor again. Been awhile since I had jump into production and get the shit rolling again

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just finished all the documentation so folks can attach/pick up monday. Now I can think about the weekend

grizzled laurel Sep 13, 2024, 9:05 PM

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void condor there is nothing quite like having a business breaking bug at work on a friday 5...

i swear friday 5pm is cursed

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every company

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it always goes wrong at that exact time and day

ionic badger Sep 13, 2024, 9:07 PM

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i wonder how much of it is "the issue was identified at 12pm, but we ignored it, hoping we could leave on time today"

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only for it to grow and have to be dealt with at 5pm

obtuse burrow Sep 13, 2024, 9:22 PM

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this is why lots of the UK observes POETS day

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can't have problems at 5 on a friday if everyones buggered off by 3:30

grizzled laurel Sep 14, 2024, 10:41 AM

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Hey i'd like to report a problem

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when using tracy the memory usage goes up like mad

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With tracy:

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without:

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Not sure if this is intentional or not, but this is what happened

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it was climbing with like a gb per second

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 10:54 AM

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grizzled laurel when using tracy the memory usage goes up like mad

what settings do you use and how do you profile?

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 11:13 AM

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when compiled with tracy enabled your app will collect/buffer all data till a connection is made to a backend (tracy ui-app or cmdline), then it will start sending & release the memory again.

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if you only want to collect & profile when there is an active connection, then use HXCPP_TRACY_ON_DEMAND

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This is well documented behavior, be sure to study the documentation here https://github.com/wolfpld/tracy/releases/download/v0.11.1/tracy.pdf

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 11:19 AM

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grizzled laurel With tracy:

there is no traffic on your network, are you connected to a backend?

grizzled laurel Sep 14, 2024, 11:42 AM

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ah then that was the problem

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sorry for taking your time!

grizzled laurel Sep 14, 2024, 1:30 PM

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Also, i'd like to thank you all once again for the work you guys did

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this is crazy good

obtuse burrow Sep 14, 2024, 7:38 PM

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void condor I wish we could get https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/issues/1150 fixed

https://github.com/Aidan63/haxe/actions/runs/10865025731

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give that a go, fixes the sample you posted in the issue

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 7:55 PM

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obtuse burrow give that a go, fixes the sample you posted in the issue

hooooly shit! Will do once im done with the review & docs

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 7:55 PM

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obtuse burrow https://github.com/Aidan63/haxe/actions/runs/10865025731

@pearl slate You wanna test this as well

grizzled laurel Sep 14, 2024, 7:56 PM

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cppia fixes??

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jo???

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 7:57 PM

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dont want this too pollute std too much

pearl slate Sep 14, 2024, 8:10 PM

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void condor <@456226577798135808> You wanna test this as well

ill certainly check it out, but ive also "moved past" cppia as an idea and am weary of falling down, yet another, rabbit hole. I do have a question though: @obtuse burrow - are you on the compiler team? Are you a kind of hxcpp maintainer? Apart from hugh himself i dont know anyone who is as knowledgeable about the internals.

obtuse burrow Sep 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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No, I'm not on the compiler team, but I guess I have stumbled into maintaining hxcpp

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mostly just add / fix things when I want / come across them myself

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Draft PR for the cpp.vm.tracy.* is here: https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/haxe/pull/11772

GitHub

add Tracy profiler extern to std by dazKind · Pull Request #11772 ·...

This PR is the std part for HaxeFoundation/hxcpp#1153. The goal is to be able to reliably profile the performance of hxcpp apps in a ergonomic, lightweight and battletested manner.

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Now I need to update the included documentation. Then I prep the annoucements and we can move everything out of draft

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 8:54 PM

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obtuse burrow mostly just add / fix things when I want / come across them myself

You really just like to play your life on hardcore

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you dont "just fix things in hxcpp", you bend space and time

void condor Sep 14, 2024, 10:08 PM

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[showcase] Happy to announce that our PR to integrate support for the Tracy profiler is out of draft and can be reviewed now: https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1153

It allows you to inspect, profile & optimize your hxcpp apps on a whole new level.
If want to see this become a part of hxcpp, be sure to leave some love & feedback & emojis for us in the comments ❤️

GitHub

add support for Tracy profiler by dazKind · Pull Request #1153 · Ha...

Problem Statement
As a Haxe developer I want to be able to reliably profile the performance of my engine & hxcpp apps in a ergonomic, lightweight and battletested manner.
I have looked at H...

crystal grove Sep 14, 2024, 10:52 PM

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“Oh they finished, that’s coo— 46k LoC in like a week jeez”

ionic badger Sep 14, 2024, 11:13 PM

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If you're ever concerned that AI will take over, just remember that people like Daz and Aiden exist

molten sleet Sep 15, 2024, 12:39 AM

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💀 Cortex

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 7:07 AM

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obtuse burrow No, I'm not on the compiler team, but I guess I have stumbled into maintaining h...

fair enough, super happy you are doing what you are doing 🙂

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 7:22 AM

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ionic badger If you're ever concerned that AI will take over, just remember that people like ...

you say this, but have you met either of these two in person? Are we sure they arent AGI? Ive seen some youtube videos of Daz with looking up at a screen looking suspiciously human... But thats about it 😉 😄

grizzled laurel Sep 15, 2024, 7:47 AM

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pearl slate you say this, but have you met either of these two in person? Are we _sure_ they...

wait i think you are on to something

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 11:28 AM

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pearl slate you say this, but have you met either of these two in person? Are we _sure_ they...

u guys are flattering, but I'm really just an idiot with too much drive ❤️

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 11:31 AM

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crystal grove “Oh they finished, that’s coo— 46k LoC in like a week jeez”

to be fair most of it is the tracy-client lib and libbacktrace glued into hxcpp

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 11:33 AM

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void condor u guys are flattering, but I'm really just an idiot with too much drive ❤️

... ... this sounds exactly like what an AI would say... 😄 😬

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 11:40 AM

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pearl slate ... ... this sounds exactly like what an AI would say... 😄 😬

I tell you I'm real & human. Here is some proof 😆

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 11:41 AM

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... works for me... i take it all back... clearly human(s) 🙂

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 11:48 AM

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pearl slate ... works for me... i take it all back... clearly human(s) 🙂

can do one better trollface

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enough ai for today

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 11:49 AM

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void condor can do one better <:trollface:694197740959432734>

thats defo not terrifying at all... (although, i do like that its got the insanity behind my eyes just right 👌 )

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 11:51 AM

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what makes it worse is that this runs at 30fps

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 11:56 AM

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obtuse burrow https://github.com/Aidan63/haxe/actions/runs/10865025731

testing this now

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virus detected

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lol

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void condor Sep 15, 2024, 12:59 PM

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setting up ocaml & opam is such a clusterfuck

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 1:26 PM

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TFW when you install the recommended cygwin setup for ocaml/opam and then opam tries to run curl with windows paths instead of the environment's...

obtuse burrow Sep 15, 2024, 1:36 PM

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oh yeah, ocaml and opam is a shitshow on windows, never got it to work

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anything requiring mingw, cygwin, or any of those sorts of things is an immediate red flag that its going to be very precarious

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I do development / basic testing on WSL, then push to github and let the CI do the work when I want a windows binary

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 1:50 PM

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how do I switch a context from 32bit to 64?

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like my opam thinks I wanna do 32bit builds even though I installed everything 64

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 2:17 PM

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...

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LIKE WTF MAN

grizzled laurel Sep 15, 2024, 2:28 PM

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time to bump the haxe in haxe PR

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XDDD

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*issue (https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/haxe/issues/6843)

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 2:35 PM

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ok I just realized, defender only complains about the installer, not the compiler

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 2:37 PM

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obtuse burrow give that a go, fixes the sample you posted in the issue

yep, fixes the issue. now lemme test haxeui in the host with a backend in the script

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gah, backend needs to be included

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ok, then core and backend in the host and the rest in the script

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ok, didnt have the effect I was counting on. Good news is that nothing broke for me

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there are some changes to core that i need to review in my backend, cliprects in hui seem to have changed

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we should then get a review from Hugh for you fix then

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I dont think it hurts or will cause a regression

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 4:05 PM

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defo seems like its the right way... i havent tested it myself, but if 2 out of 3 says it works, thats enough for me (plus i dont want to go down the rabbit hole of trying to build haxe on windows 🙂 )

pearl slate Sep 15, 2024, 4:06 PM

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void condor there are some changes to core that i need to review in my backend, cliprects in...

are there cliprect changes? Not sure there are... but i dont know how out of date you are

void condor Sep 15, 2024, 6:05 PM

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hmm, turns out I had an inverted normal in my shader. Now the materials finally look closer to what they should look like

void condor Sep 16, 2024, 3:33 PM

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@vapid mortar Now I got it back together: Adding a component multiple times to an entity under different types will screw with FastEntitySet._setMap causing activations to only fire per entity for the first view and not per entity-view combination.

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I might be talking out of my ass about the way I trigger this, but I can see that the !(this->_entities->_setMap->exists(id)) in addIfMatched will only work once

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still digging through the macro dumps to get the bigger picture

void condor Sep 16, 2024, 4:15 PM

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nah, dude, this is such a brainfuck

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I gotta trace out the whole initialization of systems and views so I can track this down. In essence, I dont get all the activations for certain component combinations

void condor Sep 18, 2024, 10:08 PM

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@obtuse burrow ever messed with fibers?

obtuse burrow Sep 19, 2024, 8:34 AM

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In tracy? no. Saw in the docs its how they support cooperative multhreading, so when coroutines are more developed I want to take a look

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because the profiling graphs will be meaningless without it

grizzled laurel Sep 20, 2024, 6:53 AM

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https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-adopting-spir-v/

DirectX Developer Blog

Chris Bieneman

DirectX Adopting SPIR-V as the Interchange Format of the Future - D...

Today the Direct3D and HLSL teams are excited to share some insight into the next big step for GPU programmability. Once Shader Model 7 is released, DirectX 12 will accept shaders compiled to SPIR-V™. The HLSL team is committed to open development processes and collaborating with The Khronos® Group and LLVM Project. We’re sharing this […]

void condor Sep 20, 2024, 5:01 PM

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grizzled laurel https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-adopting-spir-v/

yep, gonna be good. bgfx will support this 😄

grizzled laurel Sep 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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nice!

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altho honestly

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best part of the entire post is the banner on the embed xD

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just kidding, directx adopting spirv is really nice

void condor Sep 21, 2024, 12:55 AM

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finally completed my first shader cleanup

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also learnt a thing about bgfx: for some reason the camera position in the fragment shader is always nulled under u_invView[3]. Which is kinda weird and a difference in the targets compared OGL(works) & Vk&Dx11/12(doesnt work)

void condor Sep 21, 2024, 1:50 PM

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void condor also learnt a thing about bgfx: for some reason the camera position in the fragm...

Im an idiot. I gotta respect col/row major of the used api when peeking matrices directly

void condor Sep 21, 2024, 2:08 PM

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Im so used to pull everything out of matrices instead of using custom uniforms that I completely missed this. yay

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this is also the reason why most bgfx samples use unnecessary matrix multiplications to get like vec3 weyepos = mul(vec4(0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0), u_view).xyz;

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since, for whatever reason, they dont wanna mess with #ifdefs for the different apis

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 12:45 AM

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gaaah, I strongly feel compiling textures via bgfx's texturec tool might be a bit too slow for my taste. what do you think?

ionic badger Sep 22, 2024, 1:17 AM

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it is slow but it is also 'in place' which is a big pro in itself

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 1:19 AM

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hmm, guess the texture is also quite big and gets compressed

grizzled laurel Sep 22, 2024, 7:14 AM

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void condor gaaah, I strongly feel compiling textures via bgfx's `texturec` tool might be a ...

I mean this might be a naive question from me, but would only using texturec for release builds fix the issue?

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 8:31 AM

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Found another multithreading issue by looking at a crash in Tracy. This was one of the issues that would have taken me 6 hours to find before. With Tracy literally 2 minutes

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 8:34 AM

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grizzled laurel I mean this might be a naive question from me, but would only using texturec for...

could work. My old engine used pvrtextoolcli which seems to be a bit faster for certain formats

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 10:23 AM

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hmmm, hmecs carries soo much static state

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between cppia application reloads that shit sticks around

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 2:03 PM

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@vapid mortar Ok, I dug through this and found the core of my issue with missing activations callbacks. hmecs doesnt really support having multiple components of the same type on one entity. first time activation works, but second time we skip since the Fastset's setMap already contains the entity id. In my case it was "sort of" working in updates since I added the same component twice as different types and the last stored reference in storage received the update.

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now I gotta think

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 8:13 PM

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ok, after some more evaluations I found https://github.com/Dvergar/OSIS and wrote another bunnymark to compare it against a plain code impl & hmecs. turns out it's way less code, just as fast and allows for more finegrained loops. Only downside is a huge cost for adding components to entities but I fixed this by using hmecs's FastEntitySet. Now this is promising

GitHub

GitHub - Dvergar/OSIS: Entity Component System with network support...

Entity Component System with network support (for haxe) - Dvergar/OSIS

ionic badger Sep 22, 2024, 8:15 PM

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did you ever give aidan's a try?

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 8:18 PM

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nope, it has too much magic

molten sleet Sep 22, 2024, 8:18 PM

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💀 Cortex

void condor Sep 22, 2024, 8:19 PM

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I wanna cut down on macros

molten sleet Sep 22, 2024, 8:20 PM

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i love macros

ionic badger Sep 22, 2024, 9:10 PM

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lol

crystal grove Sep 22, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Post-macro era

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:27 AM

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macros are like an exotic spice. awesome in small doses, horrible if you overdo it

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in some cases they can result in huge amounts of generated code. hxgodot is definitely guilty of this

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:31 AM

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void condor macros are like an exotic spice. awesome in small doses, horrible if you overdo ...

Funnily enough I've said something around these lines before

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Still totally stand by that statement today

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Macros can be nice, really nice even

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But very off-putting at times, especially for new contributors

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Questions like "where does this variable come from" or "how on earth is this even possible" are thoughts I've had on codebases that make crazy use of macros

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:34 AM

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why do you think it was initally called "macro-magic" 😄

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:34 AM

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For you, what has specifically made you want to turn down the use of macros, surely something must have activated you to do so?

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:34 AM

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void condor why do you think it was initally called "macro-magic" 😄

xD

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:35 AM

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I dont turn them down. I just reject too much complexity for stuff that shouldnt use much code in the first place

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Here is a fun experiment:

# ecs1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Language                     files          blank        comment           code
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Haxe                             3            229            250            751
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUM:                             3            229            250            751
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# ecs2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Language                     files          blank        comment           code
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Haxe                            24            389            423           1956
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUM:                            24            389            423           1956
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# ecs3
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Language                     files          blank        comment           code
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Haxe                            28            800            514           3939
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUM:                            28            800            514           3939
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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all 3 systems solve the same problems. between 1 & 3 ergonomics are about the same (you need to setup components in a certain way, amount of work is about the same). 1 has about 30lines of macros, 3 is like 80% macro code. 1 has a simple way of accessing and customizing everything, 3 completely hides the details and you need to modify the macros to gain access to stuff.

1 and 3 have the same performance.

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gonna pick 1 ofc.

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:44 AM

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Yeah

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That's an easy epick

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:46 AM

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oh I lied

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1 doesnt solve the same problem as the others. It includes aditional networking

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:47 AM

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ah

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well in that case, imo it would depend

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how all-in are you on networking

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and, even if you aren't now, could you use an option optimized for networking in the future while keeping the same API

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anyhow

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what would you decide for

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:52 AM

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I guess the right way to describe my approach: less code/complexity == easily hackable

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:53 AM

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yeah i guess same here

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:53 AM

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grizzled laurel and, even if you aren't now, could you use an option optimized for networking in...

my own old ecs used networking directly on the component containers

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and I wrote linc_enet back in the day

grizzled laurel Sep 23, 2024, 5:54 AM

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that is really cool 😄

void condor Sep 23, 2024, 5:54 AM

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so I can hack it if I should need it. But no priority at the mom

void condor Oct 3, 2024, 6:45 AM

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Back in macro land, gotta re-read some hxgodot macros that i totally forgot. Hilarious how little macro stuff sticks in my head

grizzled laurel Oct 3, 2024, 6:59 AM

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Oh god

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Good luck

void condor Oct 3, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Need to tweak the macros for the ecs a little to test something. The code seemed a little familiar, then I see this.... 2019 called 😄

grizzled laurel Oct 3, 2024, 7:09 AM

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2019 was quite the time

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I remember we were all like "oh shi pandemic in China"

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"surely that won't come our way"

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And then it appeared quite literally EVERYWHERE

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Apart from that 2019 was good tho

void condor Oct 3, 2024, 7:45 AM

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barely remember

void condor Oct 3, 2024, 8:34 AM

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best generated macro code I read today:

fallow bridge Oct 3, 2024, 8:36 AM

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wha-

void condor Oct 3, 2024, 8:36 AM

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exactly 😄

molten sleet Oct 3, 2024, 8:41 AM

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cast cast

void condor Oct 3, 2024, 8:46 AM

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I think this is a bug in the macro printer when doing dump=pretty.
Original code and generated cpp:

ionic badger Oct 3, 2024, 8:48 AM

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` isn't a valid var name is it? lol

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:21 AM

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Question to all you ECS folks: Adding multiple components of the same type to an entity, is this something you usually allow or not?

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Like an entity that should have 2 sprites

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:24 AM

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Hmm, i'm struggling to think of a place where I do this

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generally if i have "related data" though, i'd group them in some container

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like an enum or whatever

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:26 AM

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my take atm is that it should be allowed

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cause the entity is supposed to be the "group"

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:32 AM

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    @:fastFamily var values:{first:Test, second:Test};

    override function onEnabled() {
        universe.setComponents(universe.createEntity(), ({a: "foo"}:Test), ({a: "bar"}:Test));
    }

    override function update(_dt:Float) {
        iterate(values, (entity) -> {
            trace(first.a, second.a);
            universe.deleteEntity(entity);
        });
        }

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A quick test on aidan's ecs

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and this seems to fail

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there might be a technical limitation here?

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What happens is first.a traces as bar and second.a traces as bar

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so the last thing overwrites the others

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same thing occurs with a string entity

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:34 AM

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Guess it's the usual 1:1 mapping between entity & component that is assumed in their storage container

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:35 AM

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good to know tho, the fact that it isn't immediately an "error" but fails somewhat silently is nice to know

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:35 AM

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yeah, part of the origin of my question. None of the libs seem to test/validate for this

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:36 AM

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i guess it likely adds a decent chunk of a complexity

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but realistically i could see it being quite a useful thing in general, like collision between two objects

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:37 AM

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in my case I have a transform cmp and multiple other cmps that want to access/share that transform's matrix

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:38 AM

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currently i'd just wrap it in an enum because i only really want the "ecs" to be a kind of "data mover"

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:39 AM

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But this forces everything to be hardcoded, assembling entities at runtime can no longer be data-driven (think inside an editor)

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I have a mesh and I wanna add a debug display axis aligned bounding box to it, both being a "renderable"-component, I'd have to code that and write a new cmp

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or create a whole new independent entity for it

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duplicating matrices and shit

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:41 AM

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well that's why an enum is okay, cause its not too much of an investment

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however i've been seeing some issue with my use of the ecs, but hadn't quite figured it out i'll keep this in mind and see if i can figure out what it is

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its just so minor its only "in the distance" so its hard for me to really put much time into figuring it out 😂

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but it may be something like the fact that I may be wrapping things more than I need to (or should do)

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:43 AM

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hmmm

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Who is the troll that adds/removes reactions here.

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:44 AM

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@fallow bridge

fallow bridge Oct 5, 2024, 10:45 AM

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whats wrong with adding the 🤓 emoji if i may ask

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:45 AM

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chances are, daz probably keeps trying to see who is reacting

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but by the time he gets there, the emoji is removed lol

fallow bridge Oct 5, 2024, 10:45 AM

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oh well

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:46 AM

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What's wrong with inserting yourself into shit you dont contribute to?

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rhetorical question

fallow bridge Oct 5, 2024, 10:46 AM

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everything

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:47 AM

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ionic badger but by the time he gets there, the emoji is removed lol

no, I see them added, the whole chat-layout jumps up and jumps down again when it is removed

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:48 AM

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ahh

fallow bridge Oct 5, 2024, 10:48 AM

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ionic badger chances are, daz probably keeps trying to see who is reacting

maybe you could add reaction logs to haxebot :))

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:48 AM

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waste of time

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 11:23 AM

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hmm i could introduce collection-components

iron path Oct 5, 2024, 11:56 AM

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fallow bridge maybe you could add reaction logs to haxebot :))

maybe you could not be a troll trol

crystal grove Oct 5, 2024, 12:56 PM

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Aidan’s ECS and a few others are just arrays of components with entity indices. I don’t think I’ve seen a case of “component group” that wasn’t explicitly a group component

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I’ve def run into that case though where you need to restructure just bc you now have two Rects as components. With Aidan’s, iirc you could abstract over one and that counts as a new component type

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 1:02 PM

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got it figured out for the moment

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:31 PM

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that LD collab thread....

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really need to hold back or Im gonna scream. Communicating Visions is such a simple but very hard thing to do

grizzled laurel Oct 5, 2024, 6:37 PM

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especially in text...

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even with tools like exaclidraw

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:41 PM

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It's not the form or the tools. It's the content. It takes empathy and switching perspective. Simple experiment: When reading issues or tickets, do people describe the actual problem and the criterias that need to be fulfilled to kill the problem? Or are they describing a solution without the problem? Most of the time things are completely mixed up and people get confused. Developers tend to fall into the trap of the second, almost 90%

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:43 PM

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"as a user, when i click on the export button, i expect that the thing exports correctly" (thats how ticket titles - and content - should be written imo)

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the worst is when QMT tries to debug the ticket for the dev, and you have to remove all the assumptions and incorrect info

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:44 PM

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pearl slate "as a user, when i click on the export button, i expect that the thing exports c...

Good start, though I would want a list of specific criterias as well

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people have shit in mind even if they write very good stories, but they cant or shouldnt pack everything into the story sentence

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:45 PM

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certainly, i mean the title... obviously the content should go into reproduction steps, etc. But the start of tickets (in general) should be "as a user, or as a X", not "as a dev" or "as test who thinks they know"

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:46 PM

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yes, personas are super important!

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:46 PM

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"As a pathologist, i expect the READ codes to be organized by relevance, not alphabetical order" (real ticket - paraphrased)

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:47 PM

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pearl slate "As a pathologist, i expect the READ codes to be organized by relevance, not alp...

super nice. A criteria for this story could be a definition for "relevance"

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:48 PM

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is was defo in the ticket

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anyways, just agreeing with you basically 🙂

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:48 PM

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top notch then. I had a hard time re-learning that with my devs at work

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Now I see it everywhere and I wanna scream

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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haha, yeah, i run a couple of teams (with varying results)... im not a huge fan of agile really but there are parts i defo like about it... backlog grooming, standups, retros.. etc...

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story points can fuck off (though im forced to use them with one team)... and some of the agile fluff i could do without... ... i think a sort of not conforming "agile-lite" would be where my head is at

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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hahaha

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I have picked a fun definition for storypoints

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"Business-Complexity"

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:52 PM

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yeah, the problem is that it just means (in my exp.) different things to different people... and "scum poker" is just not worth it either...

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:52 PM

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my theory is, that you need to make storypoints super confusing only then people will start talking about the real shit

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:53 PM

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i still use story points with the NHS team, but, honestly, at this point, we just sort say "5?" yeah... whatever...

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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they are just a relative measure for a single team. The team can use them to steer its allocation over time

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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sure, thats what we do... ish... but we used to go way under (when we were using them "properly"), then way over, and now its like everything either a 1, 5 or 8... thats basically it

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:55 PM

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really, the most important thing they do, they show disparities/knowledge gaps in the team

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:55 PM

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pearl slate sure, thats what we do... ish... but we used to go way under (when we were using...

that's actually the effect when the team has eased in

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:55 PM

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i think its a usless metric... i dont have a better way to guage what to put in a sprint to be fair, but the metrics itself is shitty... i actually think "hours" would be more useful

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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haha

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depends on what you are going for. we focus the problem, not the solution(get dev to understand the business-side/-case). complex business problems might have easy solutions and vice-versa.

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 6:58 PM

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true, as i said, i dont have a better metric, i just know from exp that, for the most part, we dont use story points "properly" because it just a PITA... is it a 5? No... more? 8... less? 1... for some reason it never goes to 2 or 3

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basically, we just pull the numbers out of our arses in something that feels somewhat reasonable

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which, to be fair, is kinda the point of story points... but we dont have some big discussion about it

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 7:00 PM

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sure, there can only ever be an understanding about them in the team. they are relative, only for one team

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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i still think "hours" would be more useful, but i get why they arent hours, because that feels more like a time promised contract type deal... but yeah...

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if story points "went away", id defo need something to know how to build a sprint... but i still think they are shit

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i might think about introducing them with the other team tbh... see how it pans out with a "fresh start"... i might totally change my mind

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 7:06 PM

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imo they are a cool tool to get people to ask the right questions, share knowledge and get on the same page. "hours" are really just a measure of a skill and doesnt get me the same result

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 7:07 PM

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true enough... my 1 hour could be someone elses 30 and vice versa

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 7:07 PM

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but that's my experience, lemme know how it turns out for you

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 7:07 PM

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yeah, i think its just the NHS team tbf, and we have been working together for ages so we just kinda "go with it" at this point

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 7:08 PM

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kinda sounds you hit the endgame with that team. Wouldnt worry then

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time to add an almighty console to the engine

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 7:47 PM

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I wonder, @pearl slate how hard would it be to rip out haxe.ui.styles from haxeui-core into its own lib?

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I guess I would have to replace / mock Component for selectors

pearl slate Oct 5, 2024, 7:59 PM

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void condor I wonder, <@456226577798135808> how hard would it be to rip out `haxe.ui.styles`...

totally doable, but not sure you'd want to, its one of the more ugly parts of haxeui that is itching for a rewrite

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i want to make it like propery typedefs / struct init classes / enums... so you could do:

myComponent.style.border = { color: red, size: px(1), style: solid }

(something like that anyway)

green breach Oct 5, 2024, 8:14 PM

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oo i like that

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 8:35 PM

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hmmm ok, I have a crazy idea

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but let's resurrect some old code first

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 9:05 PM

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gaaah

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my old shit is insane

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literally everything is abstracted

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you want to run a fully independent UI-Canvas with a complex UI as a texture on a 3D model? Sure....

grizzled laurel Oct 5, 2024, 9:24 PM

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that kind of stuff is cool tho

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like want UI in VR? go for it

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altho in my experience it can be annoying adding a bunch of boilerplate for that to work

void condor Oct 5, 2024, 10:01 PM

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Yeah, in my case I have all this boilerplate in my way when doing seemingly basic stuff

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at least every canvas has its own nanovg context now

ionic badger Oct 5, 2024, 10:33 PM

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void condor that LD collab thread....

😅 I tried to warn everyone over the last few weeks that this was gonna be harder than it seemed

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everyone was pretty chill

void condor Oct 6, 2024, 1:28 PM

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my old UI has such a shitty concept of component renderers

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it inherited the concept from mint and now it's brainfucking me

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I mean it worked nicely and you can customize it easily but its OOP shit is now fucking me with the new engine architecture

green breach Oct 6, 2024, 1:33 PM

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You aren't using HaxeUI anymore?

void condor Oct 6, 2024, 1:34 PM

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ofc I still use haxeui. But I dont wanna use it for core-engine ui stuff

green breach Oct 6, 2024, 1:35 PM

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aah

void condor Oct 6, 2024, 1:36 PM

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like the ingame console should work with or without haxeui

green breach Oct 6, 2024, 1:36 PM

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Yeah, makes sense

void condor Oct 6, 2024, 1:38 PM

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it also supports a few things haxeui cant atm. it has the bespoke 3 phase event system and doesnt use singletons, so you can have multiple independent UI apps active at the same time

void condor Oct 6, 2024, 6:31 PM

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finally

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the whole rendering part of this ui has to go

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@fallow bridge stop it

fallow bridge Oct 6, 2024, 6:33 PM

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ok

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fine

ionic badger Oct 6, 2024, 8:08 PM

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@fallow bridge You recall you've been banned before right?

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stop being antagonistic

grizzled laurel Oct 7, 2024, 6:57 AM

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void condor I mean it worked nicely and you can customize it easily but its OOP shit is now ...

Wait is this in cortex?

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Or an old project?

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It looks sick though

void condor Oct 7, 2024, 7:41 AM

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grizzled laurel Wait is this in cortex?

It's the precursor to cortex

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Im basically porting/modernizing everything for cortex

grizzled laurel Oct 7, 2024, 7:50 AM

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I see, sounds good

void condor Oct 7, 2024, 3:57 PM

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I might be stripping the whole free font support out of nanovg

grizzled laurel Oct 7, 2024, 4:05 PM

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void condor I might be stripping the whole free font support out of nanovg

pretty understandable but also really unfortunate

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you has ideas to replace fontstash right?

void condor Oct 7, 2024, 4:55 PM

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have an idea

void condor Oct 9, 2024, 3:08 PM

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our tracy hxcpp is quite popular it seems. 49 cloners in the last 2 weeks

grizzled laurel Oct 9, 2024, 3:14 PM

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2 of which were me

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i use tracy reguarly on both my machines

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it has prevented me 3 headaches so far

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1 for dumb memory usage

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1 for dumb code

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1 for dumb thread usage

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you guys have literally contributed something CRAZY useful to everyone

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im very grateful

void condor Oct 9, 2024, 4:35 PM

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It's unique cloners, so you were only counted once

grizzled laurel Oct 9, 2024, 6:57 PM

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ah i see

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altho it may still have been 2

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one logged in, one annonymous

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because 2 machines

void condor Oct 9, 2024, 7:10 PM

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cleaning up a haxe port of the nanovg demo

fallow bridge Oct 9, 2024, 7:15 PM

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is there somewhere a tutorial that shows how to add tracy or do i have to do all of it myself without knowing what to do

void condor Oct 9, 2024, 7:17 PM

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It's not officially merged. There is no tutorial. You are on your own

fallow bridge Oct 9, 2024, 7:19 PM

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crap

grizzled laurel Oct 9, 2024, 8:11 PM

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fallow bridge is there somewhere a tutorial that shows how to add tracy or do i have to do all...

Personal steps:

Download Tracy Profiler
Remove hxcpp
haxelib git hxcpp <link to the hxcpp of cortex>
Add the flags (as described in the PR)
Build a project
Confirm if it asks you to build hxcpp
Enjoy

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It is pretty straight-forward in my experience

grizzled laurel Oct 9, 2024, 8:16 PM

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void condor cleaning up a haxe port of the nanovg demo

Also random question, you might know this

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how would you achieve an outline on a bezier curve, but one that does not overlap on merging paths

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random path

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desired outline

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ive tried to (and managed to) draw curves on my own

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but i really am lost at drawing outlines

void condor Oct 9, 2024, 8:22 PM

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heh

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old skool is https://learnopengl.com/Advanced-OpenGL/Stencil-testing

LearnOpenGL - Stencil testing

Learn OpenGL . com provides good and clear modern 3.3+ OpenGL tutorials with clear examples. A great resource to learn modern OpenGL aimed at beginners.

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added some fixes concerning text to linc_bgfx' nanovg,

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text metrics and glyphpositions are now easier to work with

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with that in place I can focus on the real meat of the rework next

grizzled laurel Oct 10, 2024, 5:51 AM

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void condor old skool is https://learnopengl.com/Advanced-OpenGL/Stencil-testing

ah

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amazing

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tysm

grizzled laurel Oct 10, 2024, 5:53 AM

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void condor with that in place I can focus on the real meat of the rework next

:O

fallow bridge Oct 10, 2024, 12:13 PM

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grizzled laurel Personal steps: - Download Tracy Profiler - Remove hxcpp - ``haxelib git hxcpp <...

oh wow, thanks!

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it actually compiled without any errors

molten sleet Oct 10, 2024, 1:43 PM

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When will the tracy hxcpp pr get merged..

void condor Oct 11, 2024, 8:41 PM

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molten sleet When will the tracy hxcpp pr get merged..

when you least expect it 🙂

molten sleet Oct 11, 2024, 8:42 PM

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void condor when you least expect it 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/pipa-cat-chonky-black-gato-gif-14397642423018926492

Tenor

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 10:42 AM

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molten sleet https://tenor.com/view/pipa-cat-chonky-black-gato-gif-14397642423018926492

I dont get it. Why all these random cat pictures?

molten sleet Oct 12, 2024, 10:42 AM

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void condor I dont get it. Why all these random cat pictures?

The internet is founded by cat pictures

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 10:43 AM

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I was there, it wasnt

molten sleet Oct 12, 2024, 10:43 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 10:45 AM

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can you please stop with the meme gifs here? Super distracting shit

molten sleet Oct 12, 2024, 10:45 AM

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Sorry

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:06 PM

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ahhh ui-coding is soo nice in cortex

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currently cleaning up the whole internal ui lib

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:07 PM

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what is ui coding in cortex, cause i'm sure i've seen like 2/3 different ui systems lol

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:07 PM

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cortex will have a little internal ui lib that you can use

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since it has no major dependencies it compiles in like a sec

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it mimics the html event spec/as3, so attaching to complex event cascades is very easy

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it gets a clean renderer integration now, that will likely be most of the haxeui backend

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both share the nanovg integration but it makes sense they share a bit more like textfield stuff, which im also gonna rewrite

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the goal is to have an animated ingame console with colored text support and autocompletion

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:11 PM

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wait so you've got a bit of a ui abstraction going on?

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:14 PM

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ofc, I do. I used to run custom cross-plat configurator UIs everywhere.

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:16 PM

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🤯

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:16 PM

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it's super lightweight

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im just cleaning it up now and make it available as part of cortex

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:20 PM

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at some point when i've gotten my own stuff to good point, i'd like to a take a deep dive into haxeui macros

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see if there's any ways to make it lighter on the compile times

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but i need to understand more about macros as well

acoustic pivot Oct 12, 2024, 1:21 PM

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What is Cortex anyway? Idk if it's a pinned message bc I'm on mobile and it won't let me see them

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:21 PM

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rendering framework

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supports 2d/3d

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runs on bgfx

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:22 PM

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it's not only rendering

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it's a 2D / 3D game-engine

acoustic pivot Oct 12, 2024, 1:26 PM

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void condor it's a 2D / 3D game-engine

Ooh nice

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:26 PM

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ahh

acoustic pivot Oct 12, 2024, 1:26 PM

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Gimmie a sec this stupid ass fruit fly is driving me crazy asf

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:26 PM

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I guess that makes sense with an asset pipeline 😅

acoustic pivot Oct 12, 2024, 1:27 PM

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Ok killed it

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:29 PM

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ionic badger I guess that makes sense with an asset pipeline 😅

not only asset pipeline. it's crazy ass resource management, multithreading and all

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:29 PM

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you're truly building up a beast 😄

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:30 PM

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gonna be cool

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if all works out Im gonna do a christmas release

acoustic pivot Oct 12, 2024, 1:31 PM

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void condor if all works out Im gonna do a christmas release

Yippie

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:32 PM

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ionic badger at some point when i've gotten my own stuff to good point, i'd like to a take a ...

u gonna have a blast

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I decided to go easy on the macros after hxgodot. macros encourage to generate a lot of code+complexity and i wanna keep things small as far as possible

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:33 PM

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void condor u gonna have a blast

not even gonna be close, there's way too much i don't even know about macros atm

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:34 PM

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like im gonna recycle the simple xml macro I used for the statecharts for the internal ui

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:34 PM

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so i think my first step would be to investigate issues I have with aidan's ecs as a stepping stone and see if i can solve some issues that rudy mentions it has with lsp

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:39 PM

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void condor like im gonna recycle the simple xml macro I used for the statecharts for the in...

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 1:41 PM

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That's quite neat

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 1:46 PM

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simple local code generation, no global madness

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 2:33 PM

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muahahaha, this is going to be nuts

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 6:44 PM

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haxeui lite 🙃

fallow bridge Oct 12, 2024, 6:45 PM

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haxeui-i-cant-see /j

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 7:49 PM

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sooooooooo good

void condor Oct 12, 2024, 9:24 PM

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ahhh, I forgot myself for a little and now I implemented html display + flexbox..

molten sleet Oct 12, 2024, 9:33 PM

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ionic badger see if there's any ways to make it lighter on the compile times

Compiling haxeui Backend.hx takes 4 eons

ionic badger Oct 12, 2024, 10:36 PM

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molten sleet Compiling haxeui Backend.hx takes 4 eons

it isn't a massive factor on its own, but I have so many things that are using complicated macros that I think it just all confuses each other

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From that perspective, the idea of 'DIY' something like everyone does in haxe is nice

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 2:00 AM

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now i know why @pearl slate wants to rewrite the haxe.ui.styles stuff... but fuck it, it works

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now I need to port over the rendering part so we can actually see shit

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 12:12 PM

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ok, feels weird, but I can actually use haxeui xmls with slight mods in this

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 5:57 PM

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void condor Oct 13, 2024, 7:19 PM

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[showcase] Just added a few more little ui bits&bops to cortex, ofc with hot reloading and css-magic 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHOdqU7gC0Q

YouTube

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molten sleet Oct 13, 2024, 7:24 PM

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..how

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 7:27 PM

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magic shrooms and some hacks

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xD

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in essence: my old ui lib refactored for cortex, lifted & hacked the css-styles stuff from haxeui and plugged the css files into the resource-manager

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changing the ui-tree needs a cppia compile & reload (2 secs), changing the styles / css is pretty much instant

molten sleet Oct 13, 2024, 7:31 PM

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oh its cppia?

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 7:37 PM

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it's whatever you need it to be

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(hxcpp exclusive)

ionic badger Oct 13, 2024, 7:41 PM

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void condor [showcase] Just added a few more little ui bits&bops to cortex, ofc with hot rel...

so basically, your solution to the 'instant feedback' problem was to create a mini dev haxeui? 😄

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production = haxeui, dev = cortex ui

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 7:43 PM

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I dont think it can have parity featurewise, im no ui guru like ian. But at least I can recycle a lot between eachother and shit will look the same

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im kinda torn on how control/components are built and rendered.

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but at least now I can go through and delete a lot of code and then hook up https://github.com/ncannasse/hss into the asset pipeline for some extra magic assembling the styles

green breach Oct 13, 2024, 8:39 PM

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how tf did you do that so fast lmao

void condor Oct 13, 2024, 11:13 PM

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ah, this is soo cool now. I can focus very easily on supporting all these cools css visuals

void condor Oct 14, 2024, 8:53 AM

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I guess the next step is to promote css files to a dedicated cortex resource so they can load&register other resources as hard dependencies. That way a css file could include fonts and images that are automatically managed by the resource manager. hmmm

grizzled laurel Oct 14, 2024, 10:41 AM

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void condor I guess the next step is to promote css files to a dedicated cortex resource so ...

So you plan on automatically extracting the dependencies out of the CSS file?

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That would be really useful

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Altough what if you have some kind of global CSS file, wouldn't that mean some resources would be kept loaded even when not needed?

void condor Oct 14, 2024, 10:48 AM

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I'd argue that a global resource that is not used shouldnt be a global resource

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concerning css files, dont plan on having multiple css files per ui canvas. It'll be a baked css containing all styles for canvas' ui tree

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multiple files per components, compiling css templates, etc will be part of authoring / asset time. means way less complexity at runtime

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There is the convention that the engine should only load runtime optimized formats, in case of css files for different uis this can lead to duplication of styles, but who really cares about those strings, since we gain contained resource contexts, removing a shitton of complexity. linked dependencies like images that are used by different things will only get loaded once and reused anyway

grizzled laurel Oct 14, 2024, 11:52 AM

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Ah I see

void condor Oct 14, 2024, 7:33 PM

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hmm, i think there are some bugs in linc_bgfx debugdraw extension

void condor Oct 14, 2024, 10:20 PM

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this is such a fucking puzzle

void condor Oct 14, 2024, 11:33 PM

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aaaaand the puzzle is solved

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stylesheets can now reference images as dependencies and shit has a proper lifecycle

molten sleet Oct 14, 2024, 11:36 PM

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void condor aaaaand the puzzle is solved

WideHaxeNinja.jpg

green breach Oct 14, 2024, 11:54 PM

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since you are making a UI library from scratch, can you correct color to be text-color

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looks really good tho!

void condor Oct 14, 2024, 11:58 PM

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haha, I know what you mean. though when it comes to css color is the foreground color that's applied to text & decorations

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https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color

MDN Web Docs

color - CSS: Cascading Style Sheets | MDN

The color CSS property sets the foreground color value of an element's text and text decorations, and sets the currentcolor value. currentcolor may be used as an indirect value on other properties and is the default for other color properties, such as border-color.

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I'd like to mimic normal css as close as possible since i want it to be the primary way of setting up basic UIs in cortex

green breach Oct 15, 2024, 12:00 AM

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decorations are basically part of the text, but yeah i get you

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 12:00 AM

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and people should be able to plug in a preprocessor of their choice

green breach Oct 15, 2024, 12:00 AM

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speaking of, are you planning to port hss to haxe?

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i know you were talking about supporting hss

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 12:07 AM

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nah, hss is still being maintained and it serves me well since it's so lightweight using neko

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but you might as well use less or sass as a pre-processor

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 12:07 AM

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green breach looks really good tho!

glad you like it

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omfg, my castle fork gets PRs

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didnt realize!

green breach Oct 15, 2024, 12:11 AM

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you are famous!

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the joys of open source blobpopcorn

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 12:16 AM

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I doubt that 😄

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in any case there are some cool changes in the lib I have to investigate

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 6:37 AM

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void condor aaaaand the puzzle is solved

the hot reloading is perdy 🙂

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 7:40 AM

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PR is merged 😄
https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1153

GitHub

add support for Tracy profiler by dazKind · Pull Request #1153 · Ha...

Problem Statement
As a Haxe developer I want to be able to reliably profile the performance of my engine & hxcpp apps in a ergonomic, lightweight and battletested manner.
I have looked at H...

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:37 AM

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pearl slate the hot reloading is perdy 🙂

it's magical

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:41 AM

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i havent followed the full convo (was a way last weekend) - is this a replacement for haxeui in cortex, or an alternative, or... .... ... ?

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:43 AM

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This is me on my quest of adding a no-dependency developer console to the engine

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:44 AM

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"developer console" as in, dunno, something like chrome dev tools?

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:44 AM

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It's the old ui lib with the web event handling I showed you at some point, undusted for cortex and added your haxeui styles modules

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:45 AM

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and added your haxeui styles modules
thats interesting... so it reuses the style sheets from, say, the default theme?

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:45 AM

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ingame console, you know to run commands and stuff

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:45 AM

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gotcha

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:46 AM

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pearl slate > and added your haxeui styles modules thats interesting... so it reuses the st...

it can, but I stripped/disabled a couple of things like imports or functions

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also Variant is disabled

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basically simplifying it a bit

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:46 AM

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gotcha, tbh, that whole sub system needs a good rewrite / refactor... that huge Style.hx class is... ... unwieldy

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:47 AM

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pearl slate gotcha, tbh, that whole sub system needs a good rewrite / refactor... that huge ...

I noticed, there are a few parts that can be improved or straight up deleted

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but it's ok, it gives me just enough flexibility to experiment

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:48 AM

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i think there is alot of technical debt in that class / system... its one of the original systems - and hasnt evolved much over time, just added to

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thankfully, i think its one of the more "simple" (relatively) systems - and i dont think it should be hard to come up with something much nicer - famous last words ofc 😄

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4 weeks later:

commit: better style system
revert commit: better style system
commit: better style system
revert commit: better style system
commit: better style system
revert commit: better style system

😄

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:51 AM

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blobxd

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Looking forward to getting your opinion on the ui lib once i release cortex

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:52 AM

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i must confess, i havent run cortex since the very simple PoC / MVP from ages ago, and since you move at DazSpeed im sure LOADS has changed

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:53 AM

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the event phases + filtering is something quite simple & powerfull

pearl slate Oct 15, 2024, 8:53 AM

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yeah, i still need to relook at event system in haxeui (thats one of the more complex things on the list)... time is always a limiting factor though

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 8:53 AM

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pearl slate i must confess, i havent run cortex since the very simple PoC / MVP from _ages_ ...

DAZSPEED! lol, but yeah, lots of nice new things

grizzled laurel Oct 15, 2024, 12:01 PM

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void condor PR is merged 😄 https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1153

do this with "[showcase]"

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this is insane news

clear dome Oct 15, 2024, 12:39 PM

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void condor PR is merged 😄 https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1153

DAZGREAT

ionic badger Oct 15, 2024, 12:41 PM

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DAZAKAZAM

void condor Oct 15, 2024, 1:09 PM

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clear dome DAZGREAT

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[showcase] Happy to report that the Tracy Profiler Integration has been merged today and is now officially a part of hxcpp. ❤️
https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1153

GitHub

add support for Tracy profiler by dazKind · Pull Request #1153 · Ha...

Problem Statement
As a Haxe developer I want to be able to reliably profile the performance of my engine & hxcpp apps in a ergonomic, lightweight and battletested manner.
I have looked at H...

steel plinth Oct 16, 2024, 3:43 AM

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void condor [showcase] Happy to report that the Tracy Profiler Integration has been merged t...

Hi, @void condor, Does Tracy Analyzer support running on Mac?

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 8:28 AM

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steel plinth Hi, <@270689574240518144>, Does Tracy Analyzer support running on Mac?

Not sure about the UI app, but looking at the documentation pdf, section 2.1.9.3 Apple woes it does

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@ionic badger he is trolling again

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im slowly pretty annoyed by this childish crap every other day

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 8:40 AM

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steel plinth Hi, <@270689574240518144>, Does Tracy Analyzer support running on Mac?

you might need to build the 0.11.1 UI app yourself for Mac I think, since they only supply the window builds in official releases

steel plinth Oct 16, 2024, 8:52 AM

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void condor you might need to build the 0.11.1 UI app yourself for Mac I think, since they o...

Thank you

pearl slate Oct 16, 2024, 9:26 AM

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void condor im slowly pretty annoyed by this childish crap every other day

do you get notified about emojis or something? I dont get why its "an issue"... like, i mean, they are being wanky, immature little weirdos, but do you get notified or something?

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 9:37 AM

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pearl slate do you get notified about emojis or something? I dont get why its "an issue"... ...

I use the keyword tracker and get a bot message everytime cortex is mentioned. The dude writes random shit containing "cortex" and deletes it a sec later

pearl slate Oct 16, 2024, 9:37 AM

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oh

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so yeah, defo being a 10 year old - and a babyish one at that

grizzled laurel Oct 16, 2024, 12:01 PM

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I always wonder to myself why people do this kind of crap

ionic badger Oct 16, 2024, 12:03 PM

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when people have free time

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they will find ways to use the time

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whether productive or not doesn't particularly matter

pearl slate Oct 16, 2024, 12:19 PM

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meh, i would just boot them - i doubt sincerely they add anything to the server if this is their contribution...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 7:44 PM

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I really need to write some official documentation for tracy

ionic badger Oct 16, 2024, 7:44 PM

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getting prompts or for personal reasons?

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 7:46 PM

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nah, just the normal opensource stuff. People have assumptions and give very little details but want help

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@languid yoke This is you, correct?
https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/pull/1153#issuecomment-2416909871

ionic badger Oct 16, 2024, 7:54 PM

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ahhh, yeah

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just somewhere that says, "hey xyz is normal, read the full tracy doc here"

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 7:59 PM

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it defo needs all that info from the PR in the official docs

clear dome Oct 16, 2024, 8:15 PM

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My tracy + haxe ~~documentation~~ FAQ right now is my subscription to that github pull request 😄

void condor Oct 16, 2024, 10:33 PM

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just pushed a few more fixes to linc_bgfx

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sharing textures between bgfx and nanovg is now possible. also a few more fixes to make Bimg play along with cppia&native more nicely

void condor Oct 18, 2024, 8:00 PM

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@ionic badger in case you have question concerning cppia, lemme know

ionic badger Oct 18, 2024, 8:00 PM

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void condor <@151104106973495296> in case you have question concerning cppia, lemme know

i definitely will do

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i want to play with it at some point, for now, its not a priority cause i can't really use native target atm

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 1:09 PM

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time to code some more UI stuff. I need to finish this console

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Cortex is the result of my hxcpp & cppia experiments, linc_bgfx and several other libs like important parts of my former haxe 3D engines that I never released. This time I throw everything into a blender and see what sticks. This thread will serve as the little progress log.

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oh, I cant pin things here in the thread?

vapid quailBOT Oct 19, 2024, 1:15 PM

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void condor Cortex is the result of my hxcpp & cppia experiments, linc_bgfx and several othe...

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 1:15 PM

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found it

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 1:17 PM

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finding ways around discord's permission limitations

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 3:33 PM

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yay, automatic layouts working

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this being the vertical default one, next stop is a horizontal mode that can be set from css

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:13 PM

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ok, vertical & clipping done

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 6:19 PM

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UI might be one of the worst rabbit hole of them all 😄

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:21 PM

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u bet. my convention is to have as little code as possible

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 6:25 PM

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it's dangerously entertaining to work through building ui's

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there's this instant feedback you get that a lot of things don't have 😂

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:27 PM

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😄

pearl slate Oct 19, 2024, 6:27 PM

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UI, rabbit hole? I have no idea what you mean 😄

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:27 PM

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What's left is text and scrolling, then I can finally have my console

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 6:36 PM

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void condor u bet. my convention is to have as little code as possible

That's a good rule, one that I only managed to apply on userland code 😬 Many times for me the trade of has been "more code in the framework to allow less code from the user" because I want to avoid project with too much boilerplate (of course another challenge is not to make the framework too strict, well well)

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(macros can help in the "too much code in the framework" problem though)

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:53 PM

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That's cheating 😄

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fell into that trap with hxgodot. in the end I generated one million lines of code through macros

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 6:55 PM

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void condor fell into that trap with hxgodot. in the end I generated one million lines of co...

Lol, that seems extreme

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But yeah even with macros you still need to be careful with bloat

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:55 PM

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850 engine classes that needed glue binding + a proxy class

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glue per field etc

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agree

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 6:56 PM

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I guess it would have been possible to share some glue code that share the same function signature maybe?

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 6:57 PM

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The way the api interface worked, sadly it want really friendly to reuse shit

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I STOP NOW; THAT SHIT IS BEHIND ME

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 6:58 PM

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I see some trauma here xD no worries

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:15 PM

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I think the problem is that you can make UI code really beautiful & functional, that makes it so addicting

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:17 PM

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clear cut objectives

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its like building editors, something about these things are just fun

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:24 PM

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this css layout approach is insanely powerfull

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byMxxUnmcYs

YouTube

Michael Bickel

Cortex CSS Layouts

▶ Play video

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:44 PM

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dude

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what have you done

grizzled laurel Oct 19, 2024, 9:44 PM

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beautiful

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:44 PM

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it reloads so quickly

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it was around a month ago when we were on voice chat trying to get reload times down 😂

grizzled laurel Oct 19, 2024, 9:45 PM

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don't forget, it's dazSpeed

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of course stuff happens magically without us being able to even comprehend

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:50 PM

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God I love that reload

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:51 PM

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guys, I just stick to the basics, no magic here 😄

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it just needs to reload the css and re-calc the styling

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:52 PM

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how do you switch from cortex ui to haxeui here?

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:52 PM

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I dont!

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:52 PM

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that's haxeui reloading?!

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:52 PM

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nonono

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listen, what you see is my small ui lib that uses a modified copy of haxe.ui.styles.*

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I have a macro that eats xml

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it roughly behaves like haxeui xml

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:53 PM

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ahhh I thought that was the case but wasn't 100%

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it's just really light, so its rapid on the recompiles

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:55 PM

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in the video there is a single cppia compile at the end when I modify the xml, css is completely decoupled from that. The engine listens for file events of resources and reloads them, and I have a dedicated resource-type for stylesheets, so it just replugs itself

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now im debating scrollbars

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:56 PM

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lol

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:56 PM

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i have content sizes of the dom and now I need to decided if I do the scrollbars via css

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:56 PM

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scrollbox seems better, no?

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:57 PM

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whats the difference?

ionic badger Oct 19, 2024, 9:57 PM

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hmm, none

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arbitrary distinction

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:58 PM

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somehow I dont want to add components for them into the tree

grizzled laurel Oct 19, 2024, 9:59 PM

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void condor guys, I just stick to the basics, no magic here 😄

Are you sure?

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 9:59 PM

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with the event system I could just intercept and steal the mouse events when the mouse is at the border of the clipping container

grizzled laurel Oct 19, 2024, 9:59 PM

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void condor somehow I dont want to add components for them into the tree

To me that would seem easier and more sane

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What is the reason for not wanting that?

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:00 PM

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in your browser the scrollbars are not part of the content

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I feel that this makes sense

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hmm

grizzled laurel Oct 19, 2024, 10:02 PM

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Well yea

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But I feel like the requirements differ alot in between a game and browser

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To me personally it would make sense for scroll to be a container

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I understand your point but yea

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:07 PM

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I agree with @void condor , scrollbars are not things that need to exist as separate elements in the hierarchy that describes the UI

green breach Oct 19, 2024, 10:08 PM

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haxeui does scrollbox, html does it in css

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:10 PM

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Ah, having an actual UI element that is a scrollable thing, this seems legit though

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I was talking about the scrollbars

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:11 PM

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ah now I get it

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in haxeui you have a container/component called scrollbox.

green breach Oct 19, 2024, 10:11 PM

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yeah

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:12 PM

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in Ceramic UI you have ScrollView too

green breach Oct 19, 2024, 10:12 PM

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although haxeui also has a scrollbar component

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:12 PM

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ok, so im gonna do it differently. any UI control that has clipping content can display scrollbars

green breach Oct 19, 2024, 10:12 PM

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ah wait, haxeui calls it scrollview too

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:13 PM

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might sound weird, but I think it might actually be simpler

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:15 PM

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void condor ok, so im gonna do it differently. any UI control that has clipping content can ...

Seem alright, but to be fair, a scrollable container is not only about having scrollbars, there's indeed the clipping, but also catching touch/mouse events to scroll the contents too. So with your method, what would be responsible to take care of that "touch/mouse event -> do scroll the element" work?

green breach Oct 19, 2024, 10:16 PM

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i think you will end up with a scrollview like thing, it would just be hidden from the end developer

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:16 PM

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input events run in a 3 phase cycle to targeted UI control. Any container along that event-path can read, react even intercept the input

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:18 PM

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void condor input events run in a 3 phase cycle to targeted UI control. Any container along ...

yeah that makes sense, but then if any container can be scrollable, somehow, any container should be able to handle those event that will end up making its content scroll right?

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:19 PM

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it depends on the css, similiar to the browser you can enable/disable stuff

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lemme cook and see how it comes together

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I literally have no idea

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https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_overflow.asp

W3Schools offers free online tutorials, references and exercises in all the major languages of the web. Covering popular subjects like HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Python, SQL, Java, and many, many more.

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:20 PM

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Right now I get the idea, which seems quite similar to web browsers indeed. I'm just wondering where the event handling that does the actual scroll will be. I guess with your approach it will have to be part of the UI system itself somehow

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:21 PM

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void condor https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_overflow.asp

Yeah I know what you mean, overflow-x/y etc...

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More wondering on how to implement it 😛

void condor Oct 19, 2024, 10:22 PM

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xD

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all it really takes is shrinking the clipping rect by the scrollbar area and then you dont even need to intercept events but can add a scroll event handler to the container based on the css

clear dome Oct 19, 2024, 10:24 PM

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because with the approach of having an actual ScrollView element, all that event handling specific to scroll will just be in that component implementation

void condor Oct 20, 2024, 12:25 AM

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looking at it after a break: the event handling is actually very easy

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we just add a listener general listener per control that consumes the event if it has clipping content

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decided both is approaches will be possible. a simple default scrolling behavior for controls that have clipping content per CSS and for more custom stuff wiring up a vertical slider

clear dome Oct 20, 2024, 8:36 AM

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As long as you don’t need to handle touchscreen scroll it should stay simple yeah, I guess you don’t need that anyway

void condor Oct 20, 2024, 9:08 AM

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lolol, touchscreen

void condor Oct 21, 2024, 10:32 PM

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added support for https://github.com/ncannasse/hss to the asset pipeline.

GitHub

GitHub - ncannasse/hss: High Level CSS preprocessor

High Level CSS preprocessor. Contribute to ncannasse/hss development by creating an account on GitHub.

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though I might be taking things a little to far, started comparing the layout algos with the browser

ionic badger Oct 21, 2024, 10:37 PM

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you're just building haxeui now 😂

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so cool though

void condor Oct 21, 2024, 10:39 PM

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haxeui is much more advanced. I cant possibly replicate it in 1k lines of code

ionic badger Oct 21, 2024, 10:39 PM

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variables in the hss file

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i initially read it and thought i knew what it was

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i guess not 🤔

ionic badger Oct 21, 2024, 10:40 PM

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void condor haxeui is much more advanced. I cant possibly replicate it in 1k lines of code

i'm just joking :p

void condor Oct 21, 2024, 10:40 PM

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hss has support for vars & functions which get baked into the output css

ionic badger Oct 21, 2024, 10:40 PM

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void condor hss has support for vars & functions which get baked into the output css

wow, that's really cool

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and the variable name allow dashes

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so many cool things around here in haxeland

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2024/2025 is gearing up to be very "ui-centric" in haxe land

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a lot of ui projects going on

void condor Oct 21, 2024, 10:47 PM

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you think so? My goal is to get out of ui code and focus on something as quickly as possible

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in any case, the more awesome shit we have, the better. helps to grow the community

ionic badger Oct 21, 2024, 10:50 PM

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there's like 4 different "ui projects" going on currently

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its really really cool

void condor Oct 21, 2024, 11:50 PM

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gah relative sizing is such an ass

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added a little table-like evaluation to make height work

void condor Oct 22, 2024, 12:08 AM

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aaalmost happy

clear dome Oct 22, 2024, 6:38 AM

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Nice

void condor Oct 26, 2024, 8:34 AM

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The more I look into this layout stuff I realize how everything in the browser is tightly tied to text & document flow and why it has been such a clusterfuck

void condor Oct 26, 2024, 9:38 AM

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void condor Nov 2, 2024, 1:50 PM

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Saturday afternoon and im reading & comparing w3c specification documents. It's hilarious how the quality of the specs has declined over the years

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spec from 15 years ago: "The following is an overview of the assumptions & algos that defines how event-handling should work: ...."
spec from 2024: "There are events and paths. Here are some random interactive samples. TEST YOUR SKILLS!"

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like wtf, why am i even surprised

ionic badger Nov 2, 2024, 2:11 PM

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lol

void condor Nov 3, 2024, 5:27 PM

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lol, im such an idiot. TIL that i can use my nanovg externs as static extension, making the code much more readable..

void condor Nov 3, 2024, 11:39 PM

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a bit more random stuff

ionic badger Nov 3, 2024, 11:42 PM

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that's so damn cool

void condor Nov 3, 2024, 11:45 PM

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There are a few more kinks to iron out, but Im almost happy

ionic badger Nov 3, 2024, 11:48 PM

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how much work went into this so far?

void condor Nov 3, 2024, 11:55 PM

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the ui is about ~2.5k lines of code

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another ~2.3k lines of code for the whole css stuff

ionic badger Nov 3, 2024, 11:56 PM

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what about mental effort?

void condor Nov 3, 2024, 11:56 PM

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pretty easy going. but I dont have a lot of freetime atm

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I think the whole ui stuff is like a week of continous work, mostly porting, validating and rewriting parts

ionic badger Nov 3, 2024, 11:59 PM

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every time i click play on the video, its like i'm watching it for the first time

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so nice 😂

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obviously this stuff isn't necessary

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but its just a nicety

void condor Nov 4, 2024, 12:00 AM

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what do you mean?

ionic badger Nov 4, 2024, 12:01 AM

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a full recompile and load in is 20seconds for me

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it isn't necessary to have the "instant"

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but there's a certain appreciation you get for it

void condor Nov 4, 2024, 12:02 AM

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ah I see

ionic badger Nov 4, 2024, 12:02 AM

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there are times where all I want to do is change some padding

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but I have to wait 20 seconds to see if 1px on the left is "just right"

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in those moments, something like this would be great

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but in the actual construction of the "meat" the wait time is actually pretty okay, you get to ponder etc

void condor Nov 4, 2024, 12:03 AM

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it's about flow for me. The whole things spans across the whole engine. One day I show off the level editing 😛

ionic badger Nov 4, 2024, 12:06 AM

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i'm sure its gonna be dazling

void condor Nov 4, 2024, 12:06 AM

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😛

void condor Nov 11, 2024, 5:32 PM

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@ionic badger randomly doodling as well

ionic badger Nov 12, 2024, 11:00 AM

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void condor <@151104106973495296> randomly doodling as well

That's a doodle? 🤣

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That looks epic

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how long did that take, what did you make that in?

molten sleet Nov 12, 2024, 1:28 PM

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aritists be like "just a doodle" and its the goddamn mona lisa

void condor Nov 12, 2024, 5:47 PM

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ionic badger That looks epic

thx buddy

void condor Nov 12, 2024, 5:48 PM

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ionic badger how long did that take, what did you make that in?

20mins? I used krita and a very old wacom bamboo

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krita got pretty good over the years

acoustic pivot Nov 12, 2024, 9:58 PM

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void condor 20mins? I used krita and a very old wacom bamboo

Holy shit how many years have you been drawing for

void condor Nov 12, 2024, 11:22 PM

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my whole childhood and teens was drawing

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but I suck a color

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 12:19 AM

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that shading is damn good as compensation though

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 6:40 AM

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Yea love the shading on it

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:32 PM

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void condor <@151104106973495296> randomly doodling as well

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fan sketch

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took 10 mins

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recon i would have been close if i had more time

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:33 PM

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Great shading!

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:34 PM

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Thanks blobbowing

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:34 PM

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😎 You're welcome

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:35 PM

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particularly proud of the weight loss this guy had to do to make this pic happen

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:35 PM

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Can I hire em as my personal trainer?

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Sure, you have to pay extra for him to leave the gun at home though

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Hey I'll take a free body guard

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He is friendly... Right...?

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:38 PM

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gun is part of the program

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Oh

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In what way

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:39 PM

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motivation

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Not on me I hope

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Oh

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Okay

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Yeah that seems normal

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That's alright then I suppose

ionic badger Nov 13, 2024, 10:41 PM

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💪

grizzled laurel Nov 13, 2024, 10:42 PM

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😎

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