streamchat

[minor nymph]

Really weird feel today regarding Twitch

[wheat sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/dalek-explain-doctor-who-gif-5490200

[tribal nest]

What's bothering you?

[minor nymph]

Twitch unbanned a person who showed a link to underage pornography live on broadcast.
The ban length was only for a month and that's insane to me. That should be a permanent ban and jail time.
Kick permabanned him immediately and will not be unbanning him.

This is a seriously fucked up situation and Kick is absolutely better than Twitch here.

[river cargo]

There needs to be a legal and criminal investigation into lacari

[wheat sleet]

That's worse than letting softcore porn get a slap on the wrist

[river cargo]

Right now his "defense"(as well as parts of his team and exgf) are saying those links were "cleared by 4chan investigations" as an appropriate reasoning for him to return

[coarse python]

oh. oh hot damn

[coarse python]

i vote to microwave the defense

[serene valley]

what's a 4chan investigation and how does that relate to twitch unbanning someone

[river cargo]

4chan apparently went to all the sites listed

[serene valley]

of course they would

[river cargo]

And cleared lacari of wrongdoing

Lacari mentioned this

A week or so later

Unbanned on twitch

[wheat sleet]

Normally 4chan investigations involve finding a criminal and sending the authorities the information

[serene valley]

still, how does 4chan saying you are innocent mean you get unbanned

[river cargo]

But I just wish law enforcement was involved

Look I don't like this timeline of events either but lacari has been unbanned

[tribal nest]

Oh, well that clears up everything. Should've mentioned those links were cleared by such a prestigious, well-vetted, and expert organisation with clear oversight and transparency to their methods!

[river cargo]

Alot of people reported lacari to his local pd

[coarse python]

there's supposed to be rates of passive unemployment; recent students, people whose jobs became obsolete, etc.
if unemployment truly is zero, then it's no longer an economics problem, it's a collapsing civilization problem

[river cargo]

Ud hope enough people have reported that an investigation into the matter was opened

[wheat sleet]

In the problematic period of German history, employment was reported to be more than 100% because not only was everyone employed, many had second jobs as well

[rapid scarab]

if kick is being better than your platform

you reeeally need to do some introspection

[river cargo]

I know some people on chat a few days ago were bringing up how twitch was inconsistent with their bans regarding racist content

It seems to be the case that twitch will be partial among large creators

[wheat sleet]

They also tend to ban vtubers for much longer periods for some reason

[rapid scarab]

yeah totally

[coarse python]

makes economic sense, does Not make moral sense

[rapid scarab]

dont think twitch care that much about morals anymore

[wheat sleet]

They may never have

[rapid scarab]

thinking about ceo gifting subs to the person giving birth live on stream

literally live

[river cargo]

That stream is like, one of the least egregious things dan Clancy has done lol

[wheat sleet]

Dan has issues

[rapid scarab]

yep

[rapid scarab]

no I know, just givin an example

[river cargo]

Yeah lol

[rapid scarab]

but is sad that even kick knows its a no no

[indigo wadi]

Kick is shite for reasons, Twitch is shite for reasons. Don't think either are better than each other.

[indigo wadi]

surely 1-2 cops are 4channers

[distant quiver]

I'm sorry... Someone did what on a stream?

[jolly sky]

Yea you read that 100% correctly. Done live on Twitch

[rapid scarab]

yes

[distant quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-homelander-the-boys-i-don't-get-it-huh-gif-13670748107262456691

[rapid scarab]

and twitch CEO was on chat congratulating and gifting subs

best bet is dude only cares about money

[distant quiver]

Dude that kid is going to have a major wtf moment when they're older

[wheat sleet]

Anything For Content (tm)

[rapid scarab]

thats mostly it

thats why people get barely banned if they are big enough

[indigo wadi]

The birth of a child isn't really something that should be live streamed. It's an incredibly intimate and personal event.

So tired of ppl thinking they need to SHARE EVERYTHING these days

Like what happened to just...staying private?

[wheat sleet]

You don't get paid for that

[distant quiver]

I get some people are desperate to be the next person who makes it big after a big viral moment but... there are limits

[indigo wadi]

well you do, by working and not being a main character

[blissful imp]

i remember seeing a clip where someone said that Dan Clancy told them he wants to unban all permabans, DrDisrespect, Iceposeidon, Destiny, etc. the reason they haven't is because of the current person running the twitch bans(i'm forgetting what the position is and their name).

i guess when it comes to Kick, it comes down to are you ok with Gambling enough and the weird movie stream section to make the switch. Kick is strange, Twitch is strange. Its Weirdmageddon

[river cargo]

no way clancy unbans destiny

[blissful imp]

It comes down to "Which company is less strange and weird enough that you feel ok to stream on"

[jolly sky]

I don't know, but some people need to put a cork in it. We don't need to know every detail of what's going on.

[river cargo]

those 2 have generational beef

[brisk sparrow]

There’s some people who are banned with legal implications behind it right? I feel that wouldn’t go over well.

[blissful imp]

idk all the bans on twitch. Drdisrespect we all know about. WHICH IS HILARIOUS IN THE CURRENT MOMENT BTW.

Lacari and Drdisrespect should both be perma bans btw.

just funny how 1 got a 1 month ban and the other a perma.

Twitch on the goofy pills

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-goofy-movie-gif-1694070602111472634

[indigo wadi]

They're all strange and weird

[blissful imp]

the least strange one is honestly youtube. which is saying a lot rn because youtube does a lot of shit that ends up screwing people over.

[indigo wadi]

hard to be weird when streaming audience is single digits

[wheat sleet]

Twitch discoverability for small streamers is bad enough, but on YT you basically don't exist without cross-promotion of some kind

[blissful imp]

you do realize youtube has many streamers with massive numbers right?

burntpeanut gets more viewers on youtube than he does twitch. 100k viewers on youtube streams.

A lot of vtubers stream on youtube and get crazy viewerships.

in fact i heard a lot of the east asia area likes to stream on youtube. and get crazy high viewerships.

Twitch is tiny dude. they probably have more people with 0 viewers and single digits viewers than youtube.

Also there's many other massive streamers on youtube.

[indigo wadi]

I find that hard to believe that Youtube streams are better than twitch, given the entire youtube stream experience is horrendous

[winter sierra]

Youtube streams are horrible tbh

Youtube has made it suck

[indigo wadi]

Moderating a youtube stream is the worst experience

great options 😂

did it on a private browser just to see

top option is apparently T1 at 12k

[blissful imp]

I never said Youtube is better for streaming. Youtube is a MUCH bigger platform than Twitch. Way more people use Youtube. Also, even tho Youtube/Google tried to stop it ad blockers still work on Youtube, where with Twitch you're stuck watching 3 minute ad breaks unless you sub to said streamers or get Twitch Turbo.

i've seen many people say they'd rather watch a stream on Youtube strictly because of the ads on twitch.

most people dislike twitch

[indigo wadi]

Bigger for video content, sure, not streaming. Not by a long shot

If you can post actual numbers, I'll believe ya, but until then, I simply don't. I have never found the streaming experience to be better than Twitchs', with or without ads

[blissful imp]

yes it is. you just don't go to youtube for streaming so you don't see it. Again. many streamers on there get crazy high viewers. ishowspeed gets a ton of viewers on youtube, burntpeanut gets more viewers on youtube, Charlie/MoistCritikal gets more viewers on youtube than twitch. no where near as high as burnt peanut tho. peanut gets 100k viewers on youtube streams.

oh look who released today.

[indigo wadi]

oh that's gonna fail horribly

[winter sierra]

<@&362005405901127710>

[blissful imp]

you say that. but because burnt peanut streamed the game more than a week ago to 80k on twitch and 100k on youtube. it caused marathon to jump to top 30 wishlisted games on Steam.

Also bungie did remove the stolen art after paying antireal a ton of money. Still shitty tho.

Also Also. its not out. free to play server slam atm

[worthy ivy]

youtube's copyright system sux
and twitch is... well... twitch
but everyone forgets rumble
the interface is clunky like it wishes it was still 2006, but the backend is solid enough (apart from a couple nodes I have a bad path to from here)
and they respect DJ's implied licence
win win win for me

[indigo wadi]

I mean in terms of players. Marathon + scandal vs the early release of WoW Midnight?

[indigo wadi]

All streaming platforms suck

[blissful imp]

well. marathon doesn't fully release until march 3rd.

you think WoW is still popular to most people???

[brazen drift]

someone found an old recipt for taco bell from the 90s and it makes me so sad.

[winter sierra]

Equal to about $6.80 i think

[brazen drift]

[indigo wadi]

compared to other mmos? yeah

[blissful imp]

WoW in 2026 or any mmo is not popular enough to take down something like marathon. if anything marathon will die on its own considering it'll be $40 on march 3rd

[wintry pond]

does anyone have a link to that factory noita game? need to wishlist

[indigo wadi]

[blissful imp]

the art theft stuff is still fresh

[exotic forge]

This argument is honestly engaging to me because I don't know which is bigger for streaming atm, YouTube or twitch

[indigo wadi]

twitch bas better discoverability

[indigo wadi]

ouch

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-interview-close-call-barely-yeah-gif-5236051

discoverability on all streaming sites is terrible.

including twitch

there's a reason why people say to use youtube and so on to help grow your twitch streams.

[indigo wadi]

I dont recall youtube live having categories, when I looked earlier today

[blissful imp]

youtube does have categories. for both videos and streams.

[wintry pond]

you search for something and go into live tab

[blissful imp]

but youtube also has an algorithm where twitch doesn't really have one.

its just browse and scroll categories.

which doesn't help the streamer at all.

[indigo wadi]

where?

where are these categories?

[wintry pond]

search?

[indigo wadi]

that's jsut a search bar

On twitch, I can go to the actual category catalogue

I see no such functionality here

[blissful imp]

here https://www.youtube.com/gaming/games

[indigo wadi]

And how do you even get to that? because it's not on the leftside bar

[blissful imp]

it is. here. in the side bar. under explore

[indigo wadi]

Ah, so it's hidden

[wintry pond]

gaming

[indigo wadi]

unlike twitch where you can literally click browse and it gives you all the categories

[blissful imp]

under show more. twitch does this as well

[indigo wadi]

You aren't convincing me that youtube is a better streaming platform in terms of functionality. I still see it as abysmally worse

twitch makes it apparent

youtube doesn't

[wintry pond]

maybe you arent into gaming on youtube or in options its hidden for you

[indigo wadi]

I am into gaming

It's not my fault that Youtube automatically hides their options

[wintry pond]

youtube is not made for it

so you have to look for it

yea

[blissful imp]

WHERE DID I SAY YOUTUBE IS A BETTER STREAMING PLATFORM?!?!?!!?!?

all i said was its a bigger platform. youtube naturally has more people on it. And streamers like peanut get 100k while streaming. that was actually during his Marathon stream.

[earnest cove]

my two cents, for a long time my ISP will only load youtube and refused to load twitch. it finally does both now but by then I'm so used to youtube

[wintry pond]

you dont have to go look for the thing youtube was made for

which is videos

[indigo wadi]

Like I said, you aren't convincing me that Youtube is better as a streaming platform functionally. I've long disliked how it's presented and Twitch is far better for the avg user in terms of finding what they're looking for.

[wintry pond]

its not

youtube streaming is a side thing

[indigo wadi]

mmhmm

[wintry pond]

not the core of the platform

[indigo wadi]

zigzag is trying to claim that youtube is somehow better than twitch

[wintry pond]

so they dont prioritize that side

[blissful imp]

its not far better. ludwig confirmed that. All streaming platforms are terrible for discoverability. like i said

[wintry pond]

depends on what aspect

like vods are 1000000x better on youtube

[indigo wadi]

I really do not care waht Ludwig has to say on the matter. I'm talking about my own experience.

Lugwig also tried to grow a 2nd channel naturally and completely failed when he boosted it on his main channel.

[blissful imp]

i never once said this.

to you more people = better
??????????????????????????

[indigo wadi]

I mean, you've been arguing that youtube streaming has better aspects

[blissful imp]

never once

where

[indigo wadi]

from the start, I've been saying Twitch is a better platform for functioanlity

in every one of your points

that's what you're trying to essentially claim

[wintry pond]

quote the message where it was said

[blissful imp]

i never said youtube has better functionality. i just said it was used by more people. which it is.

[indigo wadi]

each point he makes his him trying to claim overall that youtube is a better platform than twitch functionally. That's what I've picked up from his messages.

he didn't outright say it but that's the vibe he's been putting down

[wintry pond]

so, you misinterpreted their words?

[blissful imp]

nothing

never said it.

[indigo wadi]

If that wasn't his intention, then I've no idea why he's even arguing about categories at this point

Cause I'm arguing twithc has better functionality, Zigzag is trying to counter that, therefore, his arguments are trying to claim that youtube has better functionality.

[blissful imp]

All i said was more people use youtube. and that burnt peanut had 100k people watching his streams on youtube.

[indigo wadi]

otherwise his arguments make literally zero sense if that isn't his intention

[wintry pond]

this?

[indigo wadi]

Anyways, moving on from this

[wintry pond]

you said, youtube live has no categories, but it does

[indigo wadi]

i..am..moving..on

[blissful imp]

i never tried to "counter" anything. all i said was youtube has more users than twitch. which it does.

Anyone with a brain knows youtube streaming functionality is worse than twitch.

Also mr ai, how many Z's are in my name?

[wintry pond]

this is the start of all this, if you want to go back and read it all

then move on and ignore this

[indigo wadi]

yalls seriously need to understand that when someone says they're moving on, it is not an invention to continue dicussing the topic with them and pinging them.

I am done, I am moving on, do the same. Do not ping me about htis topic anymore.

[winter sierra]

This argument is stupid but i will say that twitch has better streaming functionality and layout pretty much without a doubt. Youtube mighhhht reach more people but id go for twitch if you want those to be returning viewers (which are really what makes a community stronger imo)

Im not responding to the guy above me btw just my passive opinion

[wheat sleet]

YT much easier to block ads, so if you like to be paid for streamimg, Twitch is king.

[blissful imp]

the issue here is with twitch, its very difficult to gain viewers as a new streamer. but this is every streaming site.

[sinful kestrel]

If you're not chatting the youtube experience is better, so theres the balance between the fact that most viewers don't chat and a bad chat experience makes it harder to grow a community.

[blissful imp]

New npc editor modding tool for hytale

[wheat sleet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5Di6CT3NPZY

[winter sierra]

Can you not post these please i dont want to remember that this slop guy exists

[subtle gate]

fair

[coarse python]

why do they always [expletive] with the lighting, like look at those shadows

but seriously, you've been trying to end a person's livelihood for a year. what the [expletive], man?
(i don't intend to bring this up, again, for what's likely the 200th time. just let me write my piece and not start a conversation over it please.)

also, it ain't even been a year yet, it's been like 5 months!

[wheat sleet]

Rent is due every month

[coarse python]

It is the end of the month

But like, none of this matters, go be a journalist and expose billionaires for like the 5th time this week

[wheat sleet]

That's more of a Coffeezilla kinda thing

[coarse python]

Or that one guy who investigated his own firebombing

[blissful imp]

his thing atm is exposing the government and the current administration

[coarse python]

Clarification: whose thing?

[subtle gate]

He

https://youtu.be/-dAoMGau5Ak?si=NqE4JZzoDHQj_djx

[carmine sierra]

Coffeezilla

[exotic forge]

lmao still milking it. There's absolutely nothing going on now and this dude decides to bring it up again?

[blissful imp]

well not absolutely nothing. RE9 released today

[exotic forge]

A pirate software drama video would probably get him 20x views than him playing RE9

[lapis flame]

again?

whats he going to do, pump out another video every month?

until the end of time?

[blissful imp]

He posted a video last month on Thor about the AoC stuff

[fathom stone]

Yes...the answer is yes

[lapis flame]

yeah, i remember seeing it here

ive told youtube to not show me stuff from quintheo

and it hasnt

so im just amazed he still cares.

[blissful imp]

money talks

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-talks-stacks-on-gif-24033887

[lapis flame]

i wish money remained an inanimate object without the ability to speak

[fathom stone]

But i like talking

[blissful imp]

he doesn't care or hate thor, he just is using him to pay his bills and rent.

[exotic forge]

Guess which is is about Pirate Software

[blissful imp]

Adding this herefor the stream.

Female Thor

[wicked schooner]

!face

[dapper raven]

Welcome to the future. https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpossibleElegantTurnipPoooound-nb8l8_YYABXIn-5O

[urban venture]

Thor likes Grim Dawn
Cool

[storm lintel]

Best of luck to everyone on the Game Jam announcement today! Ya'll always come up with some wild stuff

[indigo wadi]

why do you insist on sharing drama? move on

[worthy ivy]

he needs to move into his own head
I'm sure Thor will help the guy out and share his rent-free head-apartment?

[hexed granite]

sup want a quick brain picking for my cursed quest! was thinking of making the ark raider bezos with the stlye of jak and daxter precursor tech see pic as a ref because jak n daxter are my fav games imma try and make it that way either way just wanna see other poeples thoughts aswell xD

[jolly sky]

Love seeing Jak & Daxter stuff, those are cool Precusor robots.

[jolly sky]

Do you know about Opengoal by chance?

[hexed granite]

yes

i regularly play the games on it

still waiting for jak3 thou cant get that one to work for me

[jolly sky]

Yea it's a great project. Checking almost everyday for Jak 3 progress lol

[hexed granite]

arent they doing quarterly update news?

[jolly sky]

I might have missed that part of the announcement or forgot I saw it

[hexed granite]

they started doing that last year went from monthly to Q1/2/3/4 updates since alot of it is done already and now its just fixing stuff

[hidden crypt]

.

[north cairn]

I hope you all liked to watch @minor nymph play VeriData Inc. if you want to play a full version, wishlist us on steam. Congratulations to all the other winners and everyone who participated!!

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4445180/VeriData_Inc/

Steam

VeriData Inc.

VeriData Inc. is a spreadsheet-style educational puzzle game where you play as a corporate employee working as 9-5 with a boss and co-workers always messaging you. The game is a play on the monotony of corporate life and spending all day in a spreadsheet. The player reads chat logs to learn about how to use the spreadsheet software and learn…

Release Date

2026

[split birch]

Link to chat reference in YT.
https://futurism.com/future-society/meta-patented-ai-die-keeps-posting

Apologies if misunderstood a rule <@&362005405901127710>. If I did, please just let me know and I can delete it. Or you can either way.

[main ruin]

If it's relevant to the stream then that's fine

[split birch]

Thor was bringing up AI in reference to both good uses and bad uses, and my mind brought up "here is a disturbing use".

[solemn echo]

So Thor is thinking about doing a subathon
https://youtube.com/shorts/nD-VNAyqvPw?si=Twgitsr8Z-Sq1lOh

[wheat sleet]

Wouldn't make sense. Thor already streams 12 hours a day 6 days a week (when possible). That's more time than most subathons on a regular basis.

What would make sense would be a punishment wheel, like the suggested "chat buys item when hype train level is reached".

[coarse python]

Punishment: "Thor goes to Detroit"

[kindred glen]

Thor should get this

[wheat sleet]

That's over the 1k usd limit even before shipping

[kindred glen]

I know, but he also said maybe he should increase the limit

[wheat sleet]

I'd like to see something more along the lines of Thor eats full English on stream

Cook and eat if possible, but that does require extensive set up

Also he's probably considering the subathon as a way to raise money, so spending 1.5k£ would eat into that quite substantially.

Maybe due to the time spent healing, the medical bills (US medial expenses are scary), or as a way to fund the new rescue building

[floral lily]

$1000 and get this.

[worthy ivy]

full english requires no setup?
just a mahoosive frying pan

[forest glacier]

#streamchat message

[jolly sky]

That's my favourite of the bunch, and sadly its doomed to never be on the Ad Screen

[hard jackal]

Like the first iteration of the Katamari Bezos,.. lost to the aether

[brisk sparrow]

oh god

the eldrich abomination

[dusky grove]

...

Nelas. Who hurt you

[sand crown]

Timestamps done for the game jam

[blissful imp]

Bezos clearly

[indigo wadi]

Subathons don't have regular breaks though

[wheat sleet]

Streaming it requires the setup

[indigo wadi]

And you're assuming Thor wants to show himself eating

[wheat sleet]

He doesn't, that's the punishment

[rapid scarab]

btw remember thor is using tiktok again https://www.tiktok.com/@piratesoftware

lets move videos a little around

[wheat sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gif-8157463497652432250

[coarse python]

how about we leave tiktok to perish under its own short-form content weight

[rapid scarab]

well is thor content

I really dont care about the platform whatsoever

but it you dont feel like it is ok

[wheat sleet]

Imagine Thor getting popular on TikTok, then streaming there. Dealing with the latest generation of ipad kids on a daily basis... the mods would need a new healthcare plan for the mental damage that would cause.

[rapid scarab]

thor would not stream vertical

[blissful imp]

Tiktok supports horizontal/16:9 streams

[rapid scarab]

so?

you are building up on a weird assumption xD

[jolly sky]

I walked away from my computer once while playing Cyberpunk and the monitors went into standby mode. When I came back, the game travelled to my vertical monitor and became....this

[blissful imp]

What assumption. you said Thor would not stream vertical, and i gave the info that Tiktok does indeed support horizontal style streams.

i'm not assuming anything. Was just giving info in case you didn't know.

[rapid scarab]

scronched cyberpunk xD

[rapid scarab]

do you really think he would stream on tiktok at all?

[blissful imp]

🤷‍♂️

Thor has said his reasoning is he didn't wanna do vertical streams because he didn't know tiktok supported horizontal.

i did give this info during a stream and he did notice it. but idk if he'd stream there or not.

[rapid scarab]

I only posted the link to the account because he started using it again and pleople might have not noticed

but people reacted like if I had posted something horrible somehow

kinda weird imo but 🤷‍♀️

[blissful imp]

That was dpfox that reacted horribly. and they have been kinda aggressive lately on here. for whatever reason.

[rapid scarab]

yeeh I have seen happen with other peiole too

I wont post it anymore anyways

[tender field]

What kind of scam is this? Overprice the base game then make the bundle dirt cheap?

Also, both games have paid positive reviews.

Like, why put so much effort?

[quartz sonnet]

It’s to trick folks that don’t know better into thinking they’re getting a great deal

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-days-without-nonsense-gif-26130271

[indigo wadi]

They do not agree. They're only giving lip service. They want mass surveillance.

[jolly sky]

This certainly seems streamchat worthy yup /s

[winter sierra]

Streamchat feels a bit too off topic sometimes/just a slower general :/

-# Im not in this channel for shitty news like this that makes me feel bad about the world. I know this isnt directly politics, but we have that rule for a reason yknow

[wicked schooner]

Here chat, have a vid of a cat
https://youtu.be/cLa0vDtOqA4

[frosty socket]

SEVENS IN CHAT< STREAM IS GO!~

[brittle rune]

Let's try keeping streamchat on topic guys, we have multiple channels for a reason

[forest glacier]

I remember a day when Streamchat was about what’s happening/happened on stream, and about Thor/PirateSoftware in general. lol the slightly more sane version of Thorchan

[frosty socket]

...only slightly?

[forest glacier]

…ye

[wicked schooner]

I cast DEVILED THEGG

[forest glacier]

See what I mean

[winter sierra]

yeah i mean it still kindaaaa is when thor is streaming

but i rarely watch thor anymore 😂 its real bad for me to be up after 1 or 2 am

[forest glacier]

Most of the time. Until the crossposters start crossposting their crossposts in the middle of an active conversation

[wicked schooner]

Mewgenics stream

[brittle rune]

Mewgemics let's go!
This game has consumed my life

[wicked schooner]

Remind thor to turn on stream friendly mode or something just in case

[winter sierra]

he turned on safe mode :)

[rapid scarab]

thorchan is perfectly fine

[wicked schooner]

I love the tts queue in #answered-tts right now

[vast idol]

i can make it funnier

well i can't

but i can tell you what cursed thought i had earlier

[wicked schooner]

Tts right now:

[vast idol]

meow

[worthy ivy]

tts chat has escaped containment

PANIC

[wicked schooner]

Meow

[lime canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-cat-dance-gif-15524768750287997468

[warm trench]

Thormeowmu

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-wizard-marvel-dormammu-gif-16536908

[jolly sky]

It's nice to see the oldheads from the Newgrounds era still making new games and getting success

[winter sierra]

isaac was so successful that edmund had a good guarantee that mewgenics would be successful as well

[earnest cove]

Hilarious how many of the TTS today is variations of Meow

[dusky grove]

I think ed is one of the devs who just has the magic touch

meat boy, isaac, and now mewgenics. he's just got that juice to make the weird successful

[golden minnow]

he made that Bumbo game too. not sure how successful that was tho.

[rapid scarab]

I am a ferret

[river island]

Red Ferret

[winter sierra]

i am a ferret too

[wicked schooner]

Whats a pine marten?

[rapid scarab]

well it looks like this

[river island]

Coffee cake

[rapid scarab]

and here ya go the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_pine_marten

fun fact, they are called Marta in spain

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-damaged-batman-rage-gif-18236802

[wicked schooner]

Looks like a stoat or a weasel to me

I suck at differentiating animals with similar features

[warm trench]

I'm a European Badger and the rest of the family are Honey Badger, a Wolverine and a Japanese Weasel

[kindred sedge]

Chat, why hasn't discord updated yet with the fact that I am resubbed? It was only out for less then a day and yet still no purple and blue name

[wicked schooner]

Yeah it happened to me once
For me, waiting 24 hrs fixes itself

[kindred sedge]

Hmm, hopefully tommorow then

I resubbed yesterday around when stream started iirc

[forest glacier]

lol my family on my mothers side literally make the badger badger badger badger meme

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/badger-badger-badger-mushroom-mushroom-mushroom-iggydr-gif-18197905

[rapid scarab]

here

[hushed mesa]

Rewatching the vod I saw Thor needed a faraday cage for his phone

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-shocked-flushed-emoji-bulge-gif-13453265469293589998

They sell bags on Amazon for exactly that

(Sorry I’m late I got attacked by a catfish)

[junior torrent]

Wait what?

[indigo wadi]

Because discord is a terrible platform and should be abandoned

[winter sierra]

You need to unsub and resub yes it is really annoying

Or wait a while but im impatient

[hard jackal]

Linus has a Video to that.
TLDR: A freezer Bag and Aluminium foil does the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXZ-NfMu60Q

[worthy ivy]

this gif is infurating
I spend forever waiting for the snek that never arrives

[lament sun]

isn't that why the conspiracy theory hat

is made of aluminum

[umbral gazelle]

yea im planning on 3D printing a small box with tinfoil insets for my car keys.

[worthy ivy]

is a murky tale

iirc the first mention of the tinfoil is in a story from the 20s, they use metal cloaks to shield from mind control (I wanna say Huxley? but not the famous one)
but the modern tinfoil hat thing comes from that dude who said the CIA put a chip in his brain
Keeley (or Killie or something?) sued his doctor - was consigned to history as "that tinfoil hat nutjob"
but if memory serves me, one of his doctors was later confirmed to have worked with the CIA on MK Ultra...
so they probably did put a chip in his brain!

still doesn't mean the tinfoil works though

stops people stealing your car fob codes...
probably doesn't stop psychic spying with radio waves

[lament sun]

... last i checked, it worked as a faraday cage

that's why it got traction

with evrything you said, that seems to be exactly the case

[hushed mesa]

Yea that too

I’ve been up for too long and extremely exhausted

[tribal bloom]

See, that's the problem. You can't find tin foil much anymore, it's all aluminum foil. You need the actual tin kind to stop the psychic brain waves.

[dusky grove]

It's a conspiracy i say

We've been foiled by big aluminum

[worthy ivy]

😆

[tender field]

Even after blocking sloptubers they still find a way show themselves. Why do others have to use them as source/include reactions

[rapid scarab]

I tend to directly block accounts as they pop, so the algorithm dont get messed up that much

[tender field]

No. I mean the other non-slop YouTubers use them as source and include their reactions as part of the video.

[jolly sky]

From all the ones that I've seen, there hasn't been a single drama video that has actually brought unequivocal proof of any of their claims. It's all been hearsay and conjecture, with a healthy dose of things being taken out of context.

I don't understand how people fall for it either.

[limpid cloak]

Nowadays I just have a very low expectations about people critical thinking, low expectations=less surprised when people behave really stupid

[worthy ivy]

you need a distraction
have some music
rave for five minutes
the world will be a better place 🙂

[tender field]

Looks like once again I've given the wrong idea. I was not watching a drama video. Just a normal educational video and they decided to include some reactions of react-tubers.

[worthy ivy]

that's why you needed the distraction

[tender field]

I'm looking at my ancient code which annoyingly I did not comment. I kind of need to focus...thanks past me

[distant rapids]

(Removed by myself for being a dingus)

[rapid scarab]

if another youtuber use them as source, they go to the bin too

[distant rapids]

(Removed by myself for also being a dingus)

I really hope im wrong

[rapid scarab]

why does that mean its ai?

[distant rapids]

(Dingus removal edit)

[rapid scarab]

this might be shocking but, most art is not perfect

and you should not go around calling art AI just based on vibes

[distant rapids]

Red please don't be sarcastic to me, I understand that. That's why I'm giving benefit of the doubt but I am concerned

[sinful kestrel]

I think that was posted with the latest heartbound update

[rapid scarab]

this is the grey color going over the black

white part was probably probably was painted with the fill tool and low opacity

[distant rapids]

I really hope that you are right, that it is just quickly done

[rapid scarab]

I barely know about art and you can clearly tell

[distant rapids]

Okay Red, since you have insulted me twice when I have said nothing bad to you, I will just put you on my ignore list. Hopefully you are right, again, but you insulting me is not something I have to listen to. Have a nice day.

[rapid scarab]

okaaay xD

[winter sierra]

99% sure its just art by shaye

really dont think thor would post ai art, because both him and shaye are very against it

[distant rapids]

Yeah as I look at it more, lines seem to carry over naturally, it's just human error. Which makes me feel better.
Augh I'm never going to get over the fact that now I have trained myaelf to look at art with suspicion, I can no longer just enjoy what I am looking at immediately

[warped venture]

This is Shaye's art, please be mindful of jumping to conclusions like this

These kinds of brush and lineart edges are normal with working in clip studio.

All art for Heartbound is done by her also

[distant rapids]

Okay, that's at least confirmation. Thank you for confirm... I really don't mean to stir up trouble, and I kept this away from twitter for that exact purpose. If I have concerns like this later on, where can I go with them officially? (Hopefully there isnt more concerns, but yaknow... things happen)

[winter sierra]

yeah that line effect is classic clip studio paint, it happens when drawing with a tablet

[distant rapids]

I didn't even know csp was on tablet... gosh i am out of the loop

[winter sierra]

its on pc but you draw with like a drawing tablet

and a pen

i mean

i use my finger lol

[distant rapids]

OH I MISREAD

I thought you said ON tablet

Like. Csp app.

[warped venture]

There is no scenario where Heartbound would ever use ai artwork to be a concern. Thor pays Shaye to make everything for the game and its been like that since the beginning and with Champions of Breakfast. That said, if it was a concern its more respectful to privately inquire about this. (DM, Heartbound ticket ect.)

But I do ask that you give Shaye the benefit of the doubt here because she has been an artist for a very long time and hates ai slop with a burning passion. As a fellow artist, who also has had my work put in question, it feels really awful to have someone make an accusation like that even if well-meaning. I know ai has gotten severely bad these days that it can be hard to tell, but lineart errors are not always a good indicator to go off.

[azure knoll]

I drew that in 2017 before AI was a thing

2017 or 2018

And I am vehemently, publicly against AI

[distant rapids]

I don't really know Shaye as a person but I'm glad that she hates ai. My apologies about being public, if I have concerns later (about other things, not about this) I'll take it private only.

[distant rapids]

I'm sorry I assumed something about you. From the bottom of my heart, my bad.

[winter sierra]

is ai art banned in this server? i remember seeing it being posted in gen chat a while ago

[distant rapids]

I see a lot of ai "art", but mostly in memes...

[distant rapids]

Would you like me to remove the messages?

[azure knoll]

Yes please

Thank you for your apology

[distant rapids]

You're welcome, and I love your art in heartbound!

[nova bough]

i hate the turn in things with AI. just...everything. there is so little upside

need to rollback the internet to pre-LLM AI

[indigo wadi]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2024/11/26/publishers-have-finally-said-the-quiet-part-out-loud-about-retro-games/

oooof

this sucks entirely

[quartz sonnet]

It’s wild they think retro games detracts from sales of newer releases as if we have a limited means to you know, have a bagillion games or something

[indigo wadi]

Imagine releasing retro games as a compilation for $20-$50

they'd make mad bank

heck, companies like nintendo already do this

[golden latch]

As if porting and selling the games in the modern day would mean they get less sales

[indigo wadi]

Publishers are so tunnel visioned on profits that they can't see anything else

[golden latch]

Publishers are either completely out of touch of the market they live in or are just going by vibes for sales not actual marketing and demand values

[indigo wadi]

all of this

[quartz sonnet]

They’re just gonna watch the Indie scene blow up with games people actually want to play

[golden latch]

Ah yes reselling books with Charles dickens collections definitely detracts from modern book sales

[indigo wadi]

Speaking about retro-style

https://youtu.be/D37CMwPC6iE

[coarse python]

wait there's a whole ass video game preservation foundation???

i didn't know this!

[indigo wadi]

there was

[nova bough]

wild concept for them... make games that people want to play more than the old ones

[coarse python]

past tense?

[indigo wadi]

For one of em ya https://videocardz.com/newz/myrient-announces-march-31-shutdown-for-390-tb-video-game-preservation-library

[tranquil jewel]

https://youtu.be/tFzpipQLRjY

Josh talking about 'deserved punishment' is really good and insightful, very down to earth and human. Puts a microscope on the retributive aspect of the internet and nature of people in general. He really is a smart dude

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-are-we-serious-oh-my-god-bruh-smh-disappointed-gif-14798899091312939218

[dusky grove]

The internet acts like thor murders puppies or smth

[forest glacier]

Yea no, Josh seems like an alright dude, but overall… because of on-screen chat that video is more of a brain-cell-destroyer. Actively losing faith in humanity watching it.

If there wasn’t on-screen chat I probably would click off because for me this is excessive repetition of common sense.

[distant rapids]

Ugh, i knew i shouldn't have clicked on the video. The virtue signaling by the comments where they are pretending thor was wrong about a nebulous something without even giving one lick of what that something is pisses me off. Just a lot of reddit regurgitators, every single one of them. Talk about hypocrisy

I'm am now going to cleanse my pallete with uh checks back of hand bedtime. Fork.

[forest glacier]

They’ve taken what people with vested interests in hurting Thor have said as gospel

Watched YouTube videos and considered themselves an expert on the topic. Oh how familiar

[distant rapids]

New idea: mandated social media literacy classes. If you get tricked, one week of prescribed touching grass

Actually, media literacy is something we really need in our education system... hmmm. Something to write in letters to the fossils in legislation about.

[forest glacier]

Americans would immediately connect that to “re-education”… among other things…

[distant rapids]

Ugh, yeah... "BuT tHiNk AboUt ThE cHiLdreN" ...

Oh, idea. Mahjong solitaire before bed, with calming music. A true pallete cleanser.

Have a good night

[brittle rune]

that's already what I do, minus the music

[distant rapids]

Yusss i used to play this all the time riding the bus home. I feel calmer already. Spa music elevates the calme (c)

[wicked schooner]

Hiya ham

[quartz sonnet]

I unsubbed from this channel after seeing this video. Josh still doesn't get that his comment section will only ever fill up with "omg, I've never seen PirateSoftware apologize, therefore he's a horrible human being" and he just needs to move on about it.

It happens every time he posts a video related to Thor and Thor has no interest in engaging with discourse to SKG, like he said in August of 2024.

[jolly sky]

As it turns out when you respond to someones opinion is vile hatred, you won't convince that person and they will tend to walk away from the conversation. Funny how that works.

[quartz sonnet]

He even played the "politician" role and kept saying Jason instead of Thor to cater to his audience while preaching "everyone should have an opportunity to engage in good faith discussions." Yeah nah, I'm good, don't need to see anything from that channel anymore.

[jolly sky]

For reference I personally don't think he was calling him Jason as a way to placate to his audience.

[brittle brook]

besides, it's JSON, just like when he's editing stuff for blockgame...

[jolly sky]

And I don't think calling him Jason removes his point or stance on wanting good faith discussions either, considering he's had those discussions with Thor in DM's and literally still argues in favour of that at every opportunity.

[quartz sonnet]

That's fine, but for me, people that call him Jason do that because they believe they're snubbing Thor by saying his first name instead of his preferred name and they're not interested in having a discussion at that point. They're just looking to validate what they think is right while being a dick. Which, was supposed to be the opposite of what the video was trying to do.

[jolly sky]

I think thats simply because of how its been used by hateful people. Calling him Jason is not in and of itself a hateful or invalidating act, as at no point has Josh acted that way towards Thor, its just his legal first name. And I think it would be wise to de-couple that.

[quartz sonnet]

I have no doubt Josh thinks he's not doing anything wrong, but that's not what the audience believes and they're latching on it very hard in the comments and his stream chat. That's my problem.

For me, what he was trying to say would have been more impactful if he took a moment to go "Hey, I know his name is Jason, but he prefers to go by his middle name Thor so let's be mindful and refer to him as such." Off the cuff speaking in a Streaming environment is kind of scuffed and that format usually doesn't translate very well into a static video, which is a problem I have routinely with some of the videos Thor puts on his channel.

However, this isn't the first video Josh has attempted to bat for Thor in a nuanced manner, but he keeps doing the same things every time and hopes something good comes of it. The best thing he can do is respect Thor's desire to have nothing further to do with it and close that door, like I am with his commentary channel. His main channel is still pretty cool!

[umbral gazelle]

To many people think the ends justify the means.
We should also keep in mind this is not the majority of Josh's viewers that are like that. It is just a very loud amount of people who drifted or maybe was already there after the drama.
And Josh is just as flawed as the rest of us, he is human and should be given the benefit of doubt as everyone should be given.
He is balancing his own wants with his morality and channel/living.

I think to many people want or see people with large followings as perfect human beings and put them on a pedestal and when that pedestal gets tipped over because said person get for example to emotional and lashes out or does something the fans see as wrong due to even just a misunderstanding nothing that happens after that matters to them.

[earnest spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717498714259980378/1417994562600702042/YT7HVX0IBJH4QA8JD.gif

[umbral gazelle]

Its better to just leave the whole thing alone. Spend your time on things better like having fun and spending time with your friends.

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-weapon-danny-glover-too-old-for-this-shit-gif-21707663

[indigo wadi]

He does get it though. He completely understands that the internet is a dumb outrage entity. He's explaining why he continues to be diplomatic

Also calling Thor, Jason, is not snubbing him. It's his legal, government name. I prefer Myke, but I also answer by Michael and that's fine. (Just don't call me late to supper). Josh also may not be aware of Thor's preferences because they've only chatted a few times. Quite frankly, it's more respectful to call someone by their first name when you don't know their preferences. You seem to be mixing Josh and his audience together, which is completely unfair. Josh has always been respectful towards Thor. Hell, Josh was the voice of reason and made Thor realize that Thor's attitude towards Ross was wrong.

I think you're confusing things though. Josh isn't being obsessed about Thor or isn't moving on. Using the video as an example, he's using the question about being diplomatic to Thor to show a more overall picture about punishing vs being diplomatic and the broader scope of it. It was a launching point. Josh doesn't agree with what's happened to Thor. You seem to be coming at this from an aspect that these videos are meant to reach out to Thor. They aren't. They're meant to be a logical, diplomatic explanation to his audience about why he does the things he does.

[earnest cove]

The thing about all the Josh videos about Thor is that he speaks sanity and nuance, the entire comments box just flips table, ape out, and completely proves Josh is right that the internet hates nuance

At least this time i see some people saying "this is making me think"

[indigo wadi]

Josh, good, words

[wheat sleet]

The internet doesn't hate nuance if you include all the people on it, just the vocal minority wouldn't be heard if they weren't both loud and stupid.

[terse pelican]

If you can make at least one person stop throwing hate and at least think, That's a win in my book

[earnest cove]

Same here. The general attitude of just seething and hating forever has been a big plague in the last decade

[hoary blaze]

Man, I just swapped cases and my CPU cooler, and my CPU temps dropped by 60 degrees C, and I don't have anybody that knows anything about computers to tell about it, so I'm feeling happy and saying it here

[wheat sleet]

That sounds like your old cooler's fan stopped working, was clogged up with dust, or had bad contact (maybe due to paste drying up)

[earnest spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265636854431219772/1297946528643809385/silly.gif

[hoary blaze]

I tried replacing the thermal paste, but it still acted like crap. The fan was working, it just wasn't sufficiently cooling it. It was an $18 fan that came with it as a prebuilt like 4 years ago, though. The before and after bpytop is amazing. Meshify 2 is the case and the CPU cooler is a Dark Rock Pro 5.

[worthy ivy]

cooling is king - I thought my new PC had too many fans
looks ridiculous
but they do keep things cool 😆

[wheat sleet]

...The second graph shows no load on the cpu

[hoary blaze]

yeah, this case holds like 9 fans and I'm tempted to max it out

[hoary blaze]

I loaded the same applications, that Cat game that was using 7-9% CPU and Firefox running Twitch. Before, the temps were hitting in the 90s, after, in the 30s

[wheat sleet]

Might have just been thermal throttling. 100% defunct cooling

[hoary blaze]

Oh, yeah, the CPU was throttling, because otherwise it would overheat and shut down. The thing was bouncing off 100 C pretty constantly before.

[wheat sleet]

Even the intel box cooler won't throttle unless you're doing artificial loads

Well... unless you have one of those i9s that will literally soak up all the power your system has available

[hoary blaze]

Nah, it's an old crappy i5 that came prebuilt as a Cyberpower PC. I've just recently within the last year or two started upgrading components

[earnest cove]

He's really enjoying mewgenics

[winter sierra]

I knew he would like it

Its so made for him

[wheat sleet]

The only thing the game is missing is hardcore puzzles, otherwise it's a perfect game for Thor

[winter sierra]

You guys can thank me for telling him to turn on safe mode

He was like “wheres the option- oh”

[wheat sleet]

Honestly the safe animations are more interesting than the normal ones

[winter sierra]

They are

But im a tboi player so i am never disturbed by Edmunds style

[hoary blaze]

Okay, that's the system while running GTA5 bench mark tests and watching Thor's stream. I think it's running cool enough.

[earnest cove]

"it's never about right or wrong, they just want to hurt people"

Things I've learned the hard way too

[tranquil jewel]

Yeah admitedly, i did not pay any attention to chat or the comment section and purposefully had the video alt-tabbed away, cause i knew it would upset me, heh 😅

[dusky grove]

People have forgotten how to think

And the few left are vultures feeding off that death of thought

[earnest cove]

why is lil effie the kitten is so SMOL?

[jolly sky]

They got the Dwarf modifier

[earnest cove]

aaah no wonder

i was checking out a bit and that tiny smol one is an absolute terror

oh boy the board is getting really cluttered

oh wow he outperformed the game progression lol

spoilered by an item

[jolly sky]

Ah there's the term, "Primordial Dwarfism"

[earnest cove]

minus all stats but giga luck

i see now

the peepeepoopoo people coming over

Luck Build Cat

mewgenics is really a game made for thor

understanding stats, builds, and synergies is really tough for me

[rapid scarab]

it gives her -2 to every stat but 18 luck

ah +12

[earnest cove]

That's a lot of luck

[rapid scarab]

so everything thats a % she usually gets

like dodge or crits

[earnest cove]

that's indeed a recipe to have a tiny terror

[rapid scarab]

yep, and as a thief, she got a lot of critical based skills

ah btw

https://youtu.be/WsfWFwWtR_g?si=g3QwOTyT1RmvkeAm

spider boss song

with lyrics

and kat fight https://youtu.be/YxXiMTwanZ0?si=ZcdsJbHfjykPTaBg

[exotic forge]

A World of warcraft farming run didn't go as planned and that's one of the major events that started/restarted the hate parade. What is this society

[rapid scarab]

its called "too much free time" I am afraid

[dusky grove]

And they ignore the other runs he did where he encouraged fallen comrades to try again, or kept his cool to save others like when one guy fell in lava

[exotic forge]

The worse one was CodingJesus trying to start drama because he was reviewing Thor's code and Thor used an integer 1/0 as a truthy value instead of using a boolean true/false

[wheat sleet]

That's not Thor's code. If anything, it's a decompiled mess.

[rapid scarab]

I am happy no one sees my code xD

[jolly sky]

He didn't even know that he was looking at GML and not C++ lmao

(Bare in mind he also charges $300 for an hour long code review lmao)

[wheat sleet]

It doesn't matter if anyone does. If it works, it's good code. Just look at Toby Fox's (Undertale/Deltarune) which is a monster.

[rapid scarab]

they just graspin for straws

or however is said

[tender field]

I really didn't want to talk about it, but since we're talking about it anyway...

I used to watch this really nice streamer who likes Thor a lot. The WoW drama happened and chat wanted him to talk about it. Streamer said that it happens, Thor will cool down and everything will be fine. Then a chatter sent a TTS that said, "you don't need to know about WoW in order to see what PS did was wrong". Is it a fair statement?

I don't play WoW, I wouldn't know.

Streamer is nice but I had to leave their community because the chat was getting insufferable.

[rapid scarab]

as far as I have seen, chat is ofter reflection of the streamer

and its as insufferable as the streamer lets it be

[wheat sleet]

Many smaller streamers fall into the trap of not policing their community because they don't want to lose anyone

[rapid scarab]

sadly true

personally I ban those people so fast they get dizzy

[tender field]

Oh, yeah. They don't have any mods. But seriously. I think the streamer is nice.

[wheat sleet]

I think there's a happy medium by letting mods do the policing, since the streamer can keep their hands clean of authoritarian rule while still culling the loose ends

[nova bough]

its hard for smaller streamers. because they dont have the following yet to have reliable people to mod

[rapid scarab]

yeh, mine have my trust to ban whoever they consider

I prefer to have 3 nice people to have 30 toxic viewers

[nova bough]

yeah. there are streamers i watch that i do not ever look at the chat. because its toxic

[wheat sleet]

On the flip side of that, you could keep the 30 toxic viewers and use them for content by constantly roasting them

[rapid scarab]

I have seen what happens to streamers that do that

no thanks

[nova bough]

you roast them then ban them

[rapid scarab]

they dont even deserve that

they crave the attention

[wheat sleet]

Caseoh kind has that kind of community, but they're just joking around

[rapid scarab]

my community when someone toxic arrives, they dont even ask when they get banned

[nova bough]

eh depends on the streamer. some make it work. but also they dont roast every troll.

one of the many reasons i couldnt stream

[rapid scarab]

if you are streaming and someone arrives insultin and being toxic, what they want is attention, of any kind

[wheat sleet]

If my friends don't insult me, I'll know something is wrong though

[rapid scarab]

a viewer not always is a friend

[nova bough]

but also if you do it properly, youll let other people in chat know that dont fly

but it definitely isnt a style for everyone

[rapid scarab]

yeah, my people is nice and kind to eachother

[nova bough]

i watch both. like i watch league streamers, which has one of the most toxic communities. but also i dont interact with chat there.

[wheat sleet]

Oh, another good example is Onigiri. Very toxic community that constantly berates the streamer. She's adapted to it though.

[rapid scarab]

I usually stream in 2 languages and chat was helping eachother translate because some dont know the other language

I think there is a difference with banter and being toxic

[nova bough]

there is

[tender field]

I wouldn't call OniGiri's chat "toxic'. Troll maybe...

[wheat sleet]

There's sometimes a very thin line. I've seen Giri snap once.

[tender field]

Apparently, she does not know how to react to compliments so chat shits on her instead...

[nova bough]

i mean fair

[rapid scarab]

yeah, problem with chat is sometimes dont know how to read the room

[nova bough]

the world has all types

[nova bough]

oh yeah... they quite often dont

[rapid scarab]

and I might be ok with viewer A sayin X but not with some random sayin the same thing

and honestly, some people thing that being a regular at someones stream gives you a free pass to say anything

I have banned a couple regulars, because they crossed the line, I warned them, and they kept pushing

[nova bough]

yeah people who are active members on a chat usually get lianancy

not so much the first time chatter

[ionic sleet]

its your party, set down the law

[rapid scarab]

last one was like being a little weird to me, but you know girl streamer and all that, but then he started making drama with the mods because they got "more attention"

he got banned so fast

but to be fair, I dont stream aiming to make money or become famous so I very much not care about having 1 less viewer

[jolly sky]

AvoidingThePuddle is a great example of someone who talks shit and has the charisma to make it funny and know that no offense is intended, and allows his chat to talk shit as long as its funny. If its not funny or is obviously offensive (as in racist etc, you can be offensive and be funny), you're out.

(Also if you type diary entries, or in all caps, or @ him with questions)

[nova bough]

yeah its really hard to make a living streaming

[wheat sleet]

Reminds me of Mouse's video requests. If it's not funny, you get banned.

[rapid scarab]

yeah thats what I meant with banter

like when I call thor old

[jolly sky]

AvoidingThePuddle is from the FGC days, and is I think the only example of a streamer I've watched that is like a standup comedian

[nova bough]

not quite that, but jack ze whipper streams

[rapid scarab]

ah yeh I have seen him raid in sometimes

[nova bough]

yee

his shows are funny shit

[jolly sky]

He also has quite the laugh
https://youtu.be/wiyQSLKf2nc
https://youtu.be/Ro27pt13DOk

And he's a damn good storyteller

[indigo wadi]

To be fair, it started before WoW

[earnest cove]

it's one of the thing that started the whole thing

about small creators and modding, imagine being a small creator, you ban someone, and then both your friends and whatever mods you have call you toxic

no-win situation

sometimes it do be like that

[quartz sonnet]

I think this good opportunity to open a bit of dialogue. Not everyone gets super deep into this kind of stuff because at the end of the day, it's video games, have your own fun with them. I understand why the commenter is said that at the time, but I don't think that's fair and comes down to how you approach what you do in group play.

I come from group play where the Shot Caller/Group Lead is the voice of the Almighty. You don't second guess the group leader, you follow through even if you think it's a bad call.

Thor is that kind of player because of his experiences in EVE Online. You've probably seen some folks go "FC Said Jump" thrown around in chat occasionally as a joke. In the world of EVE, that gets peopled killed and very expensive assets destroyed so it's of the utmost importance that you pay attention to when your Fleet Commander gives orders and you follow through without question. Timing is life and death there.

If I had called out "Run-Run-Run" and anyone did anything other than Run, I would take those players aside, educate them they made a mistake even if they thought they did the right thing, it's more important that they follow through on the leader's call. We can figure out the mistakes as a group after an engagement in an After Action Report. The Group Leader would get an opportunity to learn what went well, and what to improve on ranging from Situational Awareness to how they communicate. The players get an opportunity to do the same and refine how they take actions.

From my point of view, Thor did exactly what was expected in the situation that occurred with an AdHoc group that had never played together. What the WoW Dungeon ultimately came down to is you had players with different gaming experiences mixing together badly. It is the responsibility of the group leader to set the expectation and the tone of how the group navigates a high stress situation. The group leader failed to establish the expectations and poorly communicated what should have been happening. This is something you learn through experience of having that leardership opportunity.

Could Thor have done better? Sure, everyone does better in hindsight, but he was told the to Run, and the "correct" thing to do was to follow through.

From what I saw when Thor was working with groups that he meshed well together with, he always communicated well and let the shot caller guide the play at hand even when it put grave risk to his character. That's exactly the kind of player I would want in my wheelhouse. Someone that complains "why are you running" when they explicitly said to Run? That's someone that has a lot of learning opportunities if they're willing to improve.

[jolly sky]

I mean really the summary is, is that the leader of that dungeon was new to Warcraft from that year of OnlyFangs, and he was toxic as all hell and a scapegoater. There wasn't anyone else he was trying to blame and no one else in the party that was mad at Thor. Thor apologised and said that he made mistakes after he walked away from the dude (but of course that never gets brought up)

Not long after that, he did the very thing he accused Thor of doing in a raid with Tyler1, and then several months later the dude then peddled some shitty pump and dump crypto memecoin to his followers.

[earnest cove]

he was caught scamming?!?!

with teh crypto i mean

[jolly sky]

Yuuuuup

[earnest cove]

that dude couldn't sink any lower man

so the darn internet took the side of a crypto scammer ah what a clown world we live in

[nova bough]

a lot of the big communities in only fangs were/are very toxic

so like... kinda expected they go on a hate brigade

and add on to that, LSF really hates thor, because reasons

then it compounds when a certain someone decides to capitalize on the hate/drama to further a certain initiative

[rapid scarab]

they might not be your friends

its a little like: your friends dont get to tell you who you allow in your house

since is your house, not theirs

[earnest cove]

in that situation it really wasn't good because the same person who i supposedly banned unfairly caused future troubles...

mod team don't support me what do

so i quit...

[rapid scarab]

yeeeh, not friends

I mean you can have mods that are your friends, but when the mods try to run the channel agains the streamer... they are out

[earnest cove]

oh i wasn't a streamer it was a writing discord. same principles though since the person was causing trouble in my section of the community

[river island]

Can't have friends in management.

[earnest cove]

some years down later 3 people complained about me to the mods about politics

I would end up as the only person banned from any political discussion on that server. Because the alternative is for me to be kicked

2 of 3 said people eventually left the server on their own

why did they leave? because of people they cannot tolerate....

same crew of mods

😐

[indigo wadi]

You can, so long as the expectation is held and executed with the highest value

[earnest cove]

I'm not american so my life experience and thoughts didn't align 1:1 with them and apparently that's a crime. going back to what Josh said about people just going into a hissy fit pitchfork with anyone who doesn't think exactly like them

the mods appease to them because they threw the loudest tantrums and threats

like how 'i wil leave if you don't do so and so'

despite complying with their demands they left anyway over the same emotional issues

what was it for in the end?

[indigo wadi]

ego

[earnest cove]

it's all ego and spinelessness from authorities

the same authorities who told me to go take topics to a room that they themselves banned from me...

[hazy storm]

it's hilarious and sad that issues from literal years ago are still being brought up and warmed up like holiday fruitcake

its not a criticism or a complaint against the people talking about it. just a comment about how the internet never forgets

[earnest cove]

yes

they just live rent free

or rather they just forget the convenient things

[hazy storm]

or someone discovers them for the first time and asks around, thereby dredging up the memories

[earnest cove]

i rather have someone ask honestly than to just believe blindly

[nova bough]

theres usually a few a day in twitch chat too

people just.... i dunno. obsess?

[earnest cove]

the true rent free ones are super obsessive

[jolly sky]

It's fascinating. Granted I have been talking about it here just now, but only because someone else has. Otherwise it doesn't cross my mind in any way shape or form.

[earnest cove]

I've seen them. probably just making and dumping alt accounts

[dusky grove]

Iirc yamato wasn't raid lead in diremaul

[earnest cove]

i thought it was tyler1

[jolly sky]

Nope that was the big one

[earnest cove]

ah the finale

the absolute bonfire it became

[jolly sky]

The one Thor was part of, was lead by Yamato.

[nova bough]

its fascinating in a sad, and terrible way. that is the only thing theyve got going on in their lives is going around trolling

tyler1 actually took thors side, which i found interesting

[jolly sky]

I'm not overly familiar with the terminology but what Thor took part in was a Dungeon, whereas the Tyler1 battle was the Raid.

[nova bough]

thats the correct terms

[jolly sky]

Yamato lead = Dungeon

Tyler1 lead = Raid

[nova bough]

thors was a 5 man dungeon. raids are 10 or 20 people

[earnest cove]

i've played classic wow before and that's correct

[dusky grove]

I wish we had the vod to dissect the dungeon run. Cuz I swear it wasn't yamato that called run run run. I dont think he was leading

[jolly sky]

He did call to Run, as he was the leader of the dungeon.

[dusky grove]

I thought it was that other guy

[nova bough]

im glad we dont anymore. its been dissected to death

[dusky grove]

There were 5 of them right? Thor, yamato, the 2 that died, and the third guy that survived

And I thought it was the 3rd guy

[nova bough]

but, even dissecting it, its like.... its a game. someone in game character died. the world moves on.

[jolly sky]

Those details escape me, and to be quite honest I don't care to attempt to. It's pointless.

[dusky grove]

The internet seems to disagree with how much bs they keep throwing this way

[earnest cove]

they'll go full confirmation bias anyway..........

[nova bough]

and yet the world does indeed move on. there are plenty of people who touch grass and do not care

[jolly sky]

Yea well, there's a near infinite amount of pointless things that the internet keeps in its memory. Best just let it be

[nova bough]

like numa numa

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-consultant-zcorp-pvz2-pvz-gif-25992662

[nova bough]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqd1Gvq-RBY&pp=ygUJbnVtYSBudW1h

[dusky grove]

I would if they just didnt keep poppin up

[earnest cove]

Yeah i recently learned that some people have bothered streamers for eleven years over one bad word.

[nova bough]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[indigo wadi]

He made the call, tank followed up, yamato then flipflopped

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-are-we-serious-oh-my-god-bruh-smh-disappointed-gif-14798899091312939218

[nova bough]

those people need to touch grass. maybe get a hobby that doesn't mainly involve the internet

[dusky grove]

I wonder what'd happen if the internet, the whole internet, went out for a day

[indigo wadi]

we'd go back to mid-90s when internet didnt exist

[nova bough]

there was one glorious day in 2020 where we got the closest to world peace.

when pokemon go first game out.

[earnest cove]

oh yeah pokemon go

that was magical

[dusky grove]

Pokemon go was 2016

[nova bough]

yup

[earnest cove]

yeah not 2020

it's sad how it declined........

[nova bough]

i thoufht it happened in covid?

[jolly sky]

That, unfortunately would likely result in more than a few deaths across the world if the internet went out for a day

[indigo wadi]

no

before

2017?

[nova bough]

god im old and i hate it

[dusky grove]

"Hey guys i know theres a virus and all that, BUT YOU SHOULD GO OUTSIDE THERES A PIKACHU IN TIMES SQUARE"

[earnest cove]

way before. my phone was overheating trying to run it

[indigo wadi]

2016

[jolly sky]

Yea Pokemon Go was definitely before Covid. I lived somewhere else when that came out

[dusky grove]

I was still in school when it came out

[earnest cove]

thousands of people going to the beach trying to catch a blastoise

[nova bough]

i was in on it for the first couple of weeks. i guess im old and got my years mixed up

[indigo wadi]

it lasted a few months

then winter hit and the craze died

[earnest cove]

in south east asia where there's no winter, it went on strong

pictures of gramps and uncles having bicycles rigged with 14 pokemon go phones

[jolly sky]

I remember struggling to sleep one night, and went out for a wander with Pokemon Go at something like 2 AM in the morning, and I was surprised to see other people out wandering the city also playing Pokemon Go

[dusky grove]

Pokemon go has its own segment at worlds, like tcg and vgc

[earnest cove]

Also, illegal sale of charizards 🤣

[dusky grove]

Ngl it was kinda funny to watch

[indigo wadi]

a shame it was a data and batter killer

[hazy storm]

my daughter was obsessed with it but then she hit a paywall plateau

[jolly sky]

Oh it rinsed phone resources for sure

[hazy storm]

and couldn't advance much farther without grinding her butt off since her parents (us) wouldn't pay

[earnest cove]

in Malaysia there was a case of a scam where someone tried to buy a pokemon for pokemon go and it turned into a fistfight

the scammer took the money and tried to run away with it without giving the pokemon

[hazy storm]

i heard about that. it was wild

[indigo wadi]

IT'S PIXELS PPL

COME ON

[hazy storm]

did you hear about the cops who deliberately ignored an emergency call because they were playing pokemon go

[earnest cove]

incredibly wild. not surprising though since I am from south east asia

[earnest cove]

wow... did he get fired?

or they

[indigo wadi]

like...why are ppl cray cray over THINGS THAT DON'T EXIST ONCE A SCREEN IS TURNED OFF

[jolly sky]

I would love to see a statistic on how many car accidents happened as a result from Pokemon Go

[hazy storm]

https://abc30.com/post/los-angeles-police-pokemon-ca-california/13882066/

[earnest cove]

yep they got fired

[gray fable]

from thor drama to pokemon go drama. idk if this topic is better or worse

[earnest cove]

My personal guess is that it's the emotional bond of owning something

[hazy storm]

at least pokemon go drama isnt as infurirating

[indigo wadi]

it's stupid, is what it is

[hazy storm]

although YMMV

[earnest cove]

the illusion of owning something especially in a region that's rather confined, is as good as reality

[indigo wadi]

i believe we call that...delusional

[earnest cove]

A physical object breaks, rots, gets stolen just the same, so pixels are just as transient as physical objects

[indigo wadi]

they really aren't though

[earnest cove]

that's why you see this behaviour skyrocket in asia

[indigo wadi]

they're code, 0s and 1s

they literally do not exist

[jolly sky]

I wouldn't call it delusional. I would call it "You get what you can get in a not great environment"

[indigo wadi]

if all power went out, that code, poof

[nova bough]

by that logic, money doesnt exist either

[indigo wadi]

gone

[earnest cove]

For a lot in asia, they don't even have the living space to keep the physical object. my mom always reminds me not to buy what i don't need because there's just no space

[silver stump]

thats not how it works?

[indigo wadi]

it does because it has a phyiscal form

[indigo wadi]

code can't exist without something to power it

so yes that's exactly how that works

[earnest cove]

Dan gets it.

[nova bough]

does it? id have a hard time cashing out my entire net worth into physical cash.

[silver stump]

there are plenty of examples of non electric computors

[earnest cove]

for online games the problem is servers...

[indigo wadi]

and what would happen if that networth poofs? it's practically non-existant.

[jolly sky]

When you're living in a place in the world where getting physical stuff is harder than digital, you'd be surprised what people get attached to. And you know what, fair enough.

[indigo wadi]

You might see the networth, but it's as good as useless if soceity as a whole and all of it's institutions crash

[nova bough]

thats my point. money is held up by logic, by peoplr who think its worth something

[earnest cove]

Sense of disposability + suboptimal living conditions + cramped space = digital items illusion stonks go up because they get the illusion of owning something because remember they don't own much of anything real

[silver stump]

@indigo wadi so if i took every file on your comptor and deleted it you wouldent care? its just 1 and 0s

[nova bough]

but not every dollar has a physical backing.

[indigo wadi]

Money is a currency. All currency in any form is worth something of value to someone

[indigo wadi]

every bill has a serial number

[nova bough]

the number on my bank account isnt tied to serial numbers.

[indigo wadi]

at the end of the day, I wouldn't care.

[jolly sky]

Reminder that the only reason money exists is because its not possible to trade resources for the things we want in a modern world anymore.

[indigo wadi]

I'd care more than you got into my property than actually deleting shit

[indigo wadi]

I'll trade you 5 blue jeans for 2 goats

[earnest cove]

A lot of people don't own property. They don't even own the bed they sleep on.......

this is interestingly also the major social issue in Song dynasty china thousands of years ago, where young people were gambling away their life because they weren't able to afford anything else.

[nova bough]

then theres the stock market. which doesnt have realized value until its cashed out.

[indigo wadi]

all the more reason to ban gambling. Gambling been a problem for thousands of years

[nova bough]

gambling makes a lot of money. they wont ban it.

[earnest cove]

Gambling is not the problem. Lack of social oppotunity that leads to gambling feeling better is the problem

[indigo wadi]

Gambling, betting X on Y, has always been a fundamental problem

[jolly sky]

Sure if its a small village you can trade 20 tomatoes from your garden for 5 sausages, and the barter/resource system works in that regard. Everyone in the village knows what they need, and everyone in the village grows/does something that another person in the village needs.

That isn't really possible anymore.

[nova bough]

there are a few places they do this. but it is very, very difficult

[indigo wadi]

the act of gambling has ruined more lives than it's helped.

and you aren't gonna convince me otherwise.

[earnest cove]

south korea has a huge social status value for dumping 500 usd on a league of legends skin. they look upwards instead of looking down.

[jolly sky]

Oh I'm sure those places still do exist for people living off of the land in remote areas, but by and large it's not really possible unless you're willing to give up a LOT of conveniences

[indigo wadi]

that is a completely different issue and I also disagree with skins costing that much jsut for social clout

[jolly sky]

Well, unless you can change that area of the worlds culture, disagreeing does nothing.

[earnest cove]

it's the same. it's digital items

[indigo wadi]

Yes I know, my whinging is pointless but it lets me vent

[indigo wadi]

sure, it's the same in that regard, but it's not gambling

[nova bough]

yeah. its a small community of people that devote most of their lives to make it work. but, in return, they are largely not reliant on society. i think they still buy some stuff.

[indigo wadi]

hence why i said it's a different matter

[earnest cove]

we're talking about people wasting money not specifically gambling

[indigo wadi]

I mean...I am talking about gambling

[earnest cove]

our original topic is "why do people waste money in stupid crap it's pixels" and we're trying to explain that the sentimental value is way way way more powerful than just pixels. A pixel for someone is a treasure for another.

[nova bough]

want a fun gambling topic that peopke forget is gambling?

magic the gathering. like if you only use the secondary market, its fine. but that secondary market is because someone spent the money to gamble on packs.

[indigo wadi]

I would rather a wall of funkopops over the entire WoW mount collection.

[earnest cove]

Let's add gatcha games to the list

[nova bough]

yeah, gacha is really bad

[jolly sky]

And well, thats your treasure. Not everyone elses

[indigo wadi]

I can agree with that (ignores the current fairy tail gacha game he's playing right now)

[earnest cove]

it's gambling with extra steps

[indigo wadi]

the point is, physical collectables will still be there long after digital pixels burn out

will it happen? 🤷

[earnest cove]

physical items can rot.... and get washed away by floods and disasters which happens frequently in many regions

[indigo wadi]

it is, but at least i get to watch my lil dudes fight other lil dudes

[jolly sky]

Your point is fair, but to the person who holds that digital goods as a higher treasure over physical goods they can't get, your point is meaningless

[indigo wadi]

and what happens to that person when their digital goods are no longer accessable?

[jolly sky]

They will find another digital good they can easily get access to, unlike the physical good.

[indigo wadi]

digital goods are just an online version of crack, i'm fully convinced of that now

[earnest cove]

Dan thank you for truly understanding the struggle

[wheat sleet]

Gacha games aren't gambling, you don^t win anything of value. Even if they did have value they're tied to you account and can't be traded, kind of like games in your steam library.

[jolly sky]

I just don't think you have or understand the perspective of what me and Soph are talking about.

[indigo wadi]

not monetary value, but there's still value tied to it. Getting an SSURRR!!** character that super powers up your team to put you in first in leaderboards for 1st place prizes is still a type of value

[earnest cove]

their format tends to be pretty money sinking though. RNG to get unit, RNG to get equipment, RNG everything and it guzzles a lot of money like a casino

[nova bough]

dopamine is the reward.

[indigo wadi]

you mean dopamine

[nova bough]

...yes

shhh

[indigo wadi]

lol

[wheat sleet]

Scripted money loss machine

[jolly sky]

Granted it can be like an addiction, as even physical goods can be. Anything can be an addiction if you put enough of yourself into it.

But for people who literally cannot access collectible physical goods, digital goods become the replacement. And thats completely understandable.

[indigo wadi]

Maybe. I just might have too much of a negative outlook on the matter

[earnest cove]

about the funk pop example, if a person doesn't have space to put their funko pop, they're on rented property, and need to live with minimal physical goods, that funkopop is just garbage

[nova bough]

there are people that are prone to it, too. i have to be careful about gacha mechanics or gambling. i will get sucked in.

for that reason i cant play gacha games.

[indigo wadi]

hell, Swtor still has loot boxes

[nova bough]

i do play mtg, i just play the game and not the packs

[indigo wadi]

it's no different than comic books or any other physical item collection

[jolly sky]

It's a casino without any chance of reward whatsover, other than happy brain chemicals. There's the term "the house always wins" in casinos, but there's always a chance of winning more than you put in.

With gacha games? That is an impossibility.

[earnest cove]

exactly... the point... they digital everything and are forced to throw away comic books...

I don't think you're wrapping the situation of some of these people live in where they can't own things.

people living in single room apartments who discard stuff yearly because they have no space and the house isn't theirs

[indigo wadi]

Are they really forced to throw away comic books? sure, you can't have an endless supply unless you have the room for it. Even Digital goods, there's a limited space for it. That space just happens to be A LOT LARGER than a 1 bedroom apartment. Plus with digital, there's always a chance a screw up could happen and those digital goods become lost.

[earnest cove]

which part of 'they don't own their home and must be ready to move at any time' do you not understand?

[indigo wadi]

I do get that. But I'm not including that in my points because I don't see the reason to in this particular discussioon

[indigo wadi]

the part where I'm not including it in my points.

[jolly sky]

Trying to put yourself in someone else's perspective is the most crucial part of communication and understanding the behaviours of people.

Whether it's a behaviour that's causing them problems, or simply just to be social.

[earnest cove]

every example you gave is assuming that they could keep what they physically own.

[indigo wadi]

If that was part of the discussion, then yes, i'd agree. But we aren't including limited space.

at least I'm not and haven't been.

[winter sierra]

ehh. it REALLY depends on what it is. i would say sometimes yes but most of the time online goods are also valuble. for example as something you buy so you can spend more time playing something or get more content. if what you buy removes content or makes thing too easy i personally wouldnt go for it but i see nothing wrong there

[earnest cove]

I did include limited space, because a lot of people live in cramped metropolis....

[indigo wadi]

I'll agree that both physical and digital have their pros and cons.

[jolly sky]

And depending on the situation of the individual, those pros and cons can shift one way or the other.

[indigo wadi]

I just tend to side more on physical collection stuff because if/when the digital space is ever eradicated, physical stuff will still remain. Digital stuff could really be gone in the blink of an eye.

Warhammer's most recent online CCG just announced it's being shutdown. All the digital cards from collecting, poof, gone.

[winter sierra]

i like my physical colectables more but i also like the few digital ones i have. its not much because i dont really play games where its a big part of it but i still like them lol

[earnest cove]

I can argue the reverse for physical goods with flood-prone south east asian places where floods happen annually. Some people just live in disaster areas.

maybe even american tornado zones

[indigo wadi]

Hell I enjoy collecting stuff in WoW. I also know one day, that stuff will cease to exist

[indigo wadi]

That's a fair point

[nova bough]

i like physical stuff for things im going to use over and over. just a one time read? digital or loaned copy.

[indigo wadi]

I did forget about natural disasters (great tag team)

[winter sierra]

i like little trinkets

[earnest cove]

My area used to flood yearly. I fortunately live 14 floors off the ground, but the people in the area just expected to lose their gorund floor furnature.

[indigo wadi]

The Missus has an obsession with Nightmare Before Christmas and will collect what she can

[earnest cove]

Used to, because at one point the underwater drain tunnel was built and the floodings reduced...

....until one very bad year where the waters went up to the rooftops

So many Malaysians lost precious things that year. old treasured pianos for example

[jolly sky]

Well, then as an example, a different version of your missus living in a different area of the world that could not physically collect that memorabilia could have a digital collection of it instead, and it would mean as much to them as it does to your missus

[winter sierra]

i lost like 200 pokemon cards (me and my sisters) when the downstairs of my childhood home flooded

[ionic sleet]

3 years after ww3. You are walking through a Settlement, the Lack of Electronics still getting used to. You pass by a group of children playing MTG. Of course its a green deck.

[earnest cove]

pain

[winter sierra]

fr

[indigo wadi]

fwiw, I'm not saying that a digital collection isn't as sentimental value as physical. I completely get that. I'm looking at it from a "how quickly can this go from existing to not?"

[earnest cove]

All of my brother's CDs rotted from the tropical climate

ROMs outlasted them

[winter sierra]

off topic but im locked innn

[nova bough]

at least it isnt a blue deck

green is actually my fav mtg color

gotta go stomp

[ionic sleet]

Sounds like a lack of proper storage

[winter sierra]

i like all the colors green and yellow the most

[earnest cove]

proper storage and my malaysian home is an antithesis to each other.

[jolly sky]

Well, as long as they have an understanding that its coming from a digital service that could disappear at any moment, I don't see there being any issue. But I also understand that they would get as upset as your missus would if all her physical collection was lost due to whatever

[earnest cove]

we don't live in a great property

[indigo wadi]

Thing is, a lot of ppl don't have that understanding. You can see this by how badly fomo of digial stuff is.

[jolly sky]

Granted, but they are still fully entitled to become attached to it, and being attached to it when there is little else is something far from delusion.

[nova bough]

a lot of capitalism is fomo.

[earnest cove]

we try to store things the best we can especially for food, but things just rot eventually from the perpetual high heat and humidity all year round.

[nova bough]

physical or digital

[indigo wadi]

for no reason what so ever, funny image

[earnest cove]

as a singaporean friend said, the fridge is matter of 'how soon can we finish this before it rots', and the door can never be open for long

Also weavils in my rice is an expectation not the exception.

[indigo wadi]

https://klipy.com/gifs/weevil-weevil-intentions

[jolly sky]

Discord did a wonk, didn't mean to reply

So, to go back to it all, perspective is all encompassing for any true attempt at multiple levels of understanding.

[earnest cove]

correct'

[winter sierra]

Im so desensitized to ants there is maybe thousands in the house 😭 they get the trash and we get to kill them if they try to go anywhere else

[earnest cove]

👏 same

they hurt me so i'm not desensitised as much

But they're impossible to rid.

the dishwashing sink rains ants

because they crawl on the ceiling and fall

[winter sierra]

Luckily i just have the smol nice ants. They do bite if you accidentally step on them

The agony of realizing you stepped in the ant line™

[earnest cove]

i have both the crazy glass ants (i think they're glass) and the evil pharaoh ants

they nest anywhere, bite everything

and roaches too

the lowest floor is roach and rat hell

[winter sierra]

Oof. There were rats in the cabins at camp but they got 3 cats to take care of it and the rats were gone so fast it was crazy (but there were a lot of rat remains)

[earnest cove]

When a flood reaches my building, you will see the true horror lurking beneath, and i'm not exagerrating because they all crawl out of their usual places to run away from the water

My place is already considered alright

My friend used to live in a slum where he had to naruto jump over sewege every day, on floating planks, to get to work

and his last straw was drain waste gurgling upwards vertically into his first floor apartment

that's appalling even for my standards

[indigo wadi]

find ant hill, pour boiling water 2-3 times

[earnest cove]

Wrong ants

These urban ants live in the walls, cracks, in between abandoned books, any nook and cranny they can fit

They don't have true nests just places they decide to have brood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh_ant

It was disgusting to discover that my box of retainer cleaning tablets had become nests for these ants at some point because what poured out were all their debris

Fortunately the tablets were individually sealed

[indigo wadi]

i see

[winter sierra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetramorium_immigrans i have thousands of these in the house

[earnest cove]

Oh that's a different a different type of ant

[winter sierra]

yeah they are the ones we have a lot of in california

we also have carpenter but they dont go in the house

[earnest cove]

The ones that make hills are outdoor types

Carpenters being one of them

[winter sierra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapinoma_sessile these too

[earnest cove]

In Malaysia the usual suspects are fire ants if you see small hills...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ant

[earnest cove]

Oh another north American only ant

[winter sierra]

yea

although worse bug ever at least for me is the horsefly

[earnest cove]

Horsefly is evilll

Thankfully i don't have them

Oh i didn't have glass ants rather ghost ants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapinoma_melanocephalum

Yes two types of ants perpetually infesting

[winter sierra]

they are worse then the others that bite because they take little chunks rather then just sucking or cutting. SO nasty 😭

[earnest cove]

Oh god the horror

[winter sierra]

yeah and like. you get paranoid when you hear them. although they are very easy to smack out of the air

[earnest cove]

I heard they were evil but i didn't know the part where they eat you

Actually eating

[winter sierra]

they need blood to make eggs >_< so they just munch you

[earnest cove]

Do they spread diseases?

[winter sierra]

yeah but i dont think its too common

[earnest cove]

Ah

[winter sierra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabanidae

[earnest cove]

Oh no these are worldwide but probably rural areas

[winter sierra]

yeah they seem to only really live in some climates

or be noticable

i know when i was in the midwest there was way more

[earnest cove]

we've scared eveyrone away with bug talk

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-bounce-bug-piemations-crowne-prince-bounce-gif-10170043841066274133

[quartz sonnet]

I made a wall of text, left for awhile because obligations, and come back to Ants

Never change StreamChat

[tender field]

Goodnight chat. See you in ~9 hours.

[frosty socket]

A story in three emote filled messages

Ork go to war against broken things, something spills on confused Ork, Ork mad and starts a WAAGH

SEVENS IN CHAT, STREAM IS A GOOOOO

[boreal flower]

yes! literally only stayed awake to catch the stream OwO

i should be asleep for work tomorrow oh well YOLO

just grab a monster energy before shift starts XD;

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-medium-gif-12511477575071496335

CONSUME THE BEAN JUICE

[boreal flower]

bean juice with french vanilla creamer OwO

[wheat sleet]

Early to bed, early to rise, catch the stream without destroying your brain

[boreal flower]

i'll go to bed as soon as i hear 'Why hello'

[merry jetty]

No stream?

[wheat sleet]

Or turn on audio only and listen at work