streamchat

[vagrant silo]

the saga continues

[dusky grove]

This is turning into a bunch of finger pointing that will just lead in circles aint it

[earnest cove]

2026 just began and we have a whole bunch of internet and gaming related lawsuits already

[wheat sleet]

The Steam one started last year and feels very much like a cash grab from a third party that has no stake in gaming, like those patent trolls.

[limpid cloak]

I'm not really worry about Steam lawsuit, no way Valve can lose it, their lawyers will just steamroll the opponents(pun was not intented but appreciated)

[wheat sleet]

I don't think so. The court is in the UK and they don't litigate on the same terms as the US. I still hope they'll pull the American company only route.

[limpid cloak]

Thing is, claims are straight up lie, and Steam documentation will disprove them, but even if they lose (which I see as impossible task), Valve can just stop service in UK, which will be very sad, but still a possibility

[wheat sleet]

It doesn't matter if it's a lie. It's not like a US court system where guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The court in question may already have a conclusion and Steam must prove that they're innocent.

Stuff just isn't fair sometimes.

[jolly sky]

Either way we won't see it for a long time. The one against Sony began in 2021, got approved by the courts to go ahead in 2023, and wont actually start until sometime through 2026.

(Btw the Sony one is being done by the same Law Firm and are claiming very similar arguments that the one against Valve is)

Almost the same copy/paste website too, just with images and descriptions moved around

Literally one of them is "PlaystationYouOweUs.co.uk"
And the other one is "SteamYouOweUs.co.uk"

[brisk sparrow]

30%: other platforms have the same game prices even with less of a cut taken
Store locking: standard, everyone does this
Anti-competitive: other game launchers exist, they’re just shit compared to steam.

[jolly sky]

My reaction to the law firm making these Lawsuits;

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-stupid-doctor-voyager-gif-9659121342804268801

Oh and the courts for allowing them to proceed

[brisk sparrow]

More applies to the courts for me for even allowing it. And I’m sure valve’s lawyers are looking at this like: “you wanna go?”

[jolly sky]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-bTvhbCKq0IPMXFFHFS

The whole thing just reeks of a cash grab, as their claims of what "Valve has illegally done" is verifiably, completely farcical.

[tribal bloom]

Can't say for certain for UK courts, but based on my understanding of the US system (which is similar, in many respects): The courts rarely completely reject cases before they go to trial.

If they do, it can't be just "This case is obviously dumb". They have to have a specific reason to just dismiss t. While this case is very dumb, there's nothing really improper about it: It's filed in a valid place (Steam has a presence in the UK), they seem to have filled out all the appropriate paperwork, they were allowed to have it as a class action which gives them standing, etc. etc.

So unless the lawyers are really bad at their jobs, these kinds of cases almost always go to court. (Or, at least, to the pre-trial negotiations).

[jolly sky]

I guess we'll see how well the Law Firm and the representative understands Digital Marketplaces when it gets heard in the courts

(From what has been established by their claims, it seems very little )

[brisk sparrow]

Legally it might have met all the barriers to go to court. But the court of public opinion overwhelmingly says “this is dumb”.

[tribal bloom]

Oh yeah, I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell it will succeed. At best for the plaintiffs, Valve might settle the case to shut them up, but more likely they'll fight it just to discourage other people from trying it.

[jolly sky]

Valve looking at this lawsuit like;

[tribal bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-face-gif-4522918356523415114

[jolly sky]

Actually nah wait I got a better one;

"But but but Mr Judge! Steam is doing better than the other marketplaces a-bloo-bloo-bloo"

The Judge takes a look at Steam's policies as given by their Lawyer and how long they've been around and all they've done for Developers and Customers

"Yeanah you're just a dumbass" Hits Gavel

That's how I hope it goes more or less

[wheat sleet]

How it can actually goe: Court gets a large fee so the plantiff is correct no matter the arguments.

Just remember how far Nintedon't got with their lawsuit against Pocketpair. If it wasn't a company that relies on public opinion (like the one suing Steam isn't), it may have never shifted course.

[blissful imp]

Someone made a mod for hytale that is "A Old School Runescape mod for Hytale bringing its iconic weapons, Armours and Skill capes."

https://www.rxddit.com/r/hytale/comments/1qt8uik/hyscape_a_old_school_runescape_mod/

[winter sierra]

chat i need help understanding what jim is saying here

i dont have thor level puzzle skills

the test tube is maybe like the tubes in the ferret room

[golden mirage]

ferret going through tubes is a happy ferret

The last symbols is the old cyrillic letter Yus. "Yus" is an expression of excitement or happiness.

[subtle gate]

what's the chemistry bottle though

[golden latch]

I think thats the cha-cha slide

[golden latch]

Test tube 🧪

[subtle gate]

🤔

[winter sierra]

i was when frog and toad are out,, maybe the first is that its funny they cant fit in the tubes??

[golden latch]

And the ferrets have tube tunnels

[winter sierra]

wait.. if = happy

then is this happy camper

[distant rapids]

I frickin love jimthedandy going through a puzzle arc. Good for him

That sounds sarcastic but i am fully earnest. I feel like a proud southern momma for some reason

[subtle gate]

not sure if he's doing it cause he doesn't speak english or just to have an added mystery to his speech

[golden latch]

I think he is trying to stick to his brand he made in thors chat with the 💩 👖 stuff so now he speaks emoji

[winter sierra]

afaik, hes doing it because he wants to, its how he talks to chat and we are happy to communicate back

[subtle gate]

💩 👖

[winter sierra]

hes in ferret chat a lot more then thor chat, and hes said a lot of things with emojis

for example, his favorite ferret is snowberry :)

[golden latch]

❄️ 🫐

[distant rapids]

Thats adorable. I'm not in ferretchat enough

[dusky grove]

It feels like we're in egypt deciphering heiroglyphs

[wicked schooner]

chants of sennaar with Jim The Dandy

[tender field]

So stream today or Thor need to rest?

[wheat sleet]

No sevens yet. Wait a bit longer

[tender field]

777 in the chats confirmed

[subtle gate]

7777777

why is it always 3 7s

[wheat sleet]

Birthday

[kindred sedge]

Yours?

[wheat sleet]

777

[kindred sedge]

Cause if so

Oh

Then no epic happy birthday song

[frosty socket]

07/07/...87? 77?

[wheat sleet]

Mine's 3/7

7/7/87 is correct I think

[subtle gate]

the fascination with 7 in this server is akin to the 11 equaling a laugh in the age of empires 2 community

[wheat sleet]

Wololo

Treasure train btw

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-stickmin-wololo-gif-18146468

[indigo wadi]

Can't wait for another stream of just chatting about AoC

[wheat sleet]

Thor feels particularly vindicated that his thoughts on the direction were correct

[indigo wadi]

I also read that Steven put 15 liens on his house or something

[indigo wadi]

I still haven't fully caught up on yesterdays vod, what was the 411 of it?

[wheat sleet]

...You don't put leins on your own property. Stop listening to internet trash.

[indigo wadi]

i don't know how that works

[wheat sleet]

AoC is dead and Steven is suing the other member of the board "Karen" (yes that's her real name) about it. Rest TBD

[indigo wadi]

this board?

[subtle gate]

oh yea with a Karen at the helm what could possibly go wrong

[wheat sleet]

#gaming_general message This one

[indigo wadi]

I don't have access

[wheat sleet]

gaming general channel, you have to get gaming role

[indigo wadi]

But did Steven actually lie though?

[wheat sleet]

Absolutely. "Fully funded" was a fabrication

[indigo wadi]

Surely Steven faces consequences for misleading

[wheat sleet]

In the court of public opinion he will be shredded, but legally there's probably nothing to be done about that since he's no longer in control of Intrepid.

[indigo wadi]

He was at the time though, so surely there's something from that

[blissful imp]

or this

[indigo wadi]

I couldn't find that one, ty

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/fnv-spurs-spurs-that-jingle-jangle-jingle-jangle-fallout-gif-12219280912482242004

Jingle jangle

[worthy ivy]

indeed, we have English common law here and there is no law that applies (and there is no regulatory body with a remit to regulate Steam or Valve)

the suit falls on the facts alone, there is no impropriety, there is no harm to consumers

to successfully sue here the litigants would have to demonstrate an actual tort against consumers by Valve... and there is none here

waste of everyone's time and money, suprised the court is even willing to hear it tbh, we don't have the modern "sue anyone for anything" culture here

[rapid scarab]

I did this https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/UninterestedPiercingWormPrimeMe-yyMFtpfWXLnzP9nX

[clear zinc]

And now I am hungry

[gray fable]

The moment Thor plays ff14, Im going to give him pancakes.

That sounds strangely threatening but like… I thought it’d be funny

Because I have access to pancakes

[lament sun]

i hope you meant "violently sending them to its face"

[gray fable]

I don’t think they can be used as a weapon, but I’d be sending Thor like 3 pancakes in the mail or directly to him if he’s in the same server

[river pivot]

I am patiently waiting for him to play 76 I have my fasnacht goblin mask ready to be a goblin haunting the stream from a distance

[rapid scarab]

asked for snow got hail

me rn haha

the sound is the rain

[late compass]

@thor the alchemical symbol for black sulphur

[winter sierra]

Brimstone

[quartz sonnet]

Dang, already seeing shit like this.

Great way to filter channels though!

[wheat sleet]

Channel name "nerdrage", makes ragebait content. Accurate.

[swift gulch]

Imagine endorsing something while it's good if it doesn't stay good forever
Clearly unacceptable behavior

[coarse python]

oh no, clickbait, anyways...
at least this one doesn't do [expletive]-up things with the image contrast/color to literally paint [thor] in an unflattering light

[indigo wadi]

Nekrage but yeah

[indigo wadi]

Just wait. I already saw a message "isn't it weird that Thor is involved in this" type messages.

[jolly sky]

I don't think my eyes are capable of rolling as hard as I want them to be able to

[coarse python]

at least we're only related to and not directly implicated in the drama this time

[ocean agate]

i wonder if "no AoC" is the new "mana gem"? or if people who watch him play ashes really have no clue....

[tribal bloom]

Not everyone is as terminally online as us. There wasn't a global ping on the AoC discord and there's nothing on the steam page about it. So if you don't get your AoC news from somewhere else, how would you know?

[ocean agate]

dont get me wrong im not saying they have to know, or it is....just curious

[tribal bloom]

Oh, I see what you mean. Maybe? Hard to say so far

[brisk sparrow]

Don’t forget the people who assume that just because he’s playing something else means he stopped playing the game (which in this case is actually true, for various reasons now )

[ocean agate]

after a whole day of talking about it going down i would think most everyone would know, if they usually watch his content

[tribal bloom]

Not everyone watches every day

[ocean agate]

true

i mean i guess in like a week or two if its still going on then imo its gonna be a copy paste BS that ppl think its some stupid gatcha. not that i care i just be nice and try to see if they can be normal

when it is the gatcha paste ppl

[tribal bloom]

If I didn't think it'd be more awful than good, I think it would be funny if we made a ton of reddit threads about how we contacted thor to get our AoC refunds, that way the AI pick it up and start suggesting it to people

[ocean agate]

AoC refund steps are posted on Thor's OnlyFans didnt you know https://linktr.ee/piratesoftware

[jagged wharf]

Who made you this way!!

[ocean agate]

my father and his father before him

[tribal bloom]

And my axe

[wheat sleet]

You did

[worthy ivy]

do not roll the eyes - the surgery to repair the damage from such a monster of an eye roll doesn't exist yet... don't do it!

[lament sun]

man i really wish that option did actually something

i'm using it to help my sister filter some shit

and yet some CC she chose to hide still appear

[wanton stump]

I might go watch Thor's stream on the Ashes situation, Id like to know more of what happened

[tribal bloom]

I googled the D4 cow level and this was the result:

[jolly sky]

It's pretty long, and it gets real interesting when Kendall shows up.

(Kendall is the lead dev behind Shade Protocol featured in Indiecember, and also has experience in running and being a part of Fortune 100 companies and he provides some much needed insight)

[wanton stump]

I can listen to it while I do some embroidering

[tribal bloom]

Kendall was practically livid about the situation

[wanton stump]

I mean Im pretty upset myself

[jolly sky]

Oh wasn't he just

[wanton stump]

Cause from the little I understand, Steven was blatantly lying about some very important details of the studio

[tribal bloom]

Short version: At some point, Steven went to some MLM people (likely known from his prior career). It seems like he gave them some measure of control over the company in return for money. This is likely the "Board" he mentioned in his exit post. So at a minimum, he was lying about being fully independent and "Not answering to anyone."

[wanton stump]

Yeah I had an idea of that

I dont get why he didnt try to do a second round of crowdfunding?

[tribal bloom]

Because all the crowdfunding up to that point had been from subsequent sales of the game's alpha/beta access. If he did a full crowdfunding campaign, he'd probably have to admit the company was running out of money.

That's also probably why they did the steam release: It was an easy way to bring in a ton of new players/money without it seeming too "weird"

[split tulip]

stand still, stay silent webcomic being discussed on stream. Post-apocalyptic story about exploring a world filled with Nordic mythology https://sssscomic.com

[wanton stump]

I love this comic

Too bad the author went insane

[split tulip]

yeah, I don't what happened there. they've seen to compeltely seperated from their older works. but I still love the books and have them on my shelf

[wanton stump]

Oh you dont know? They made an autobiographic comic about it

Its wild

You should read it at some point, its one of the most fascinating looks into someone's psyche Ive ever seen

I love the setting in SSSS tho

[wanton stump]

Are people really blaming thor for Intrepid going under???

How??

If anything he kept them afloat just a while longer

[tribal bloom]

Some, but more people are saying thor made money off of AoC so he's "part of the scam"

[split tulip]

he was positive about the game, ergo "must be paid shill"

[wanton stump]

I guess he technically made money by streaming it but like... I dont think he was ever sponsored to play it right?

He just liked the game and played it on stream

[short shale]

Close to 500 comments on his video, and no vitriol. The world is healing.

[split tulip]

he paid them (Intrepid) to play the game. they didn't even give him a key

[wheat sleet]

These people would blame Thor for the bathroom scale weighing them wrongly. It's a form of TDS at this point.

[indigo wadi]

ppl want an easy target. For them, it's Thor

[tribal bloom]

It's always thor

[wheat sleet]

Bro the crashouts after Thor posted that image

[winter sierra]

My favorite webcomic but the author is very uhh

I just seperate

[wanton stump]

Yeah same

Also I just pretend that bit about there being no other human communities anywhere else is false cause thats too boring

[hazy storm]

Sometimes that's the only way to still enjoy content online

[wanton stump]

I just think its extremely unlikely (and maybe just a tad bit racist) that the only people who managed to survive the infection where living in northern Europe and Iceland and nowhere else

Like cmon...

Thats so much potential waiting to be used

[subtle gate]

I don't get it 🤔

at the risk of Deez Nuttzing myself

[tribal bloom]

Let me translate but use names to make it more obvious:

I have a question, why was Frank afraid of Jack? It's not because they once had a fight and Jack won, it's because Jack is rumored to be a cannibal, when in reality, Jack ate my whole entire ass. The police then asked eye witnesses what happened, but ultimately couldn't find anything to charge Jack for.

[subtle gate]

🤔

[tribal bloom]

So just a bunch of number-based puns

[swift gulch]

It makes more sense if you read it out loud

[subtle gate]

so word play?

[tribal bloom]

Yup. "71" sounds like "70 won", and "78" sounds like "70 ate". etc. etc.

[subtle gate]

74 = 70 for

[tribal bloom]

Yup!

[subtle gate]

alright now I get it

[worthy ivy]

time travelling slightly, but Thor Derangement Syndrome has absolutely made my day 11/10

[hazy storm]

JSH just posted about Ashes of Creation and its fire as usual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miMemOWBNpw

[indigo wadi]

Why this keeps happening: Because people are dumb.

[river island]

I wouldn't change buying that game, I enjoyed playing as a archer, the log in to see roof bears was funny and lastly, getting jump scared by Thor when he landed on me in town.

I had fun and that was the goal.

[quartz sonnet]

Looked like the perfect community game to get into. Shame how it all turned out.

[river island]

Community is still here, we'll get a new game soon enough.

[earnest cove]

i saw josh's comment pop up on my youtube front page too

he's known to be fair so i'm listening

There's a real weird thinking that just because AOC became a scam for a different, it somehow reason justified everything Narc did (making the false footage)

[haughty pelican]

Open PvP games will always fail, the only one i know that has lasted longer than a year is Eve and thats less bc the game is good but more the community is entrenched but last i heard its starting to lose the old gaurd

and im guessing they went P2W out of an underlying necessity

its also why i find the investors line bull, who in their right mind would invest in such an unreliable venture

the smartest choice you can do with your money is wait for a 1.0 state in any game, YOU are not an investor, YOU are a consumer, wait for the product to be finished

[earnest cove]

I find the josh nailed it on the head

being in mmos myself, i understand what he means. Encouraging unhealthy levels of social investment to the point of damaging real life ones

So there's a perpetual gaping hole of people who desire community in a life where they had no community

makes them extremely prone to scams

also, selling dreams

[haughty pelican]

if you grant too many wish's you will get shadow dragons

[earnest cove]

Josh's analysis is very sobering about the human side of things

i've not listened to the video he recommended though, which was the very first one that appeared. smaller streamer. don't remember the name...

isn't star citizen at risk of that too?

Kira's video

[quartz sonnet]

Star Citizen is the pinnacle of "Why has no one made an immersive Space sim, there's a market for it!"

[earnest cove]

the short of it Josh encourages that people buy a game that actually exists and be in that community, instead of a dream community that had yet to materialise

[quartz sonnet]

It's also a game I really want to succeed because that would be the perfect game for me and a lot of folks I play games with, but I know it's a long shot for it to ever be in a functional and completed state so I have not personally thrown money into it.

At least there's Elite:Dangerous

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

at least from what i've seen

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-sid-life-no-thanks-i-choose-life-gif-14162870

[quartz sonnet]

It's a great space truck simulator!

[haughty pelican]

or star wars genesis XD

(starfield)

[river island]

I'll wait for Ace Combat 8 for my next game.

[quartz sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-combat-ace-combat04-shattered-skies-mobius1-f4e-phantom-ii-gif-22328432

[haughty pelican]

Sparking Zero, "Were so back"

[river island]

I hate the F4 so much.

[haughty pelican]

i hated it in War Thunder

[river island]

Reminds me that Project Wingman has dlc.

[blissful imp]

it also looks like a pain in the ass to get into.

[quartz sonnet]

The F-4E is my most flown aircraft in War Thunder 🤣

[haughty pelican]

absolute Bricks

[quartz sonnet]

Naturally, they're definitely far from "meta" in the current environment. I flew them a ton before they introduced the MiG-23 and removed any "Pros" from operating it.

[haughty pelican]

my opinion might be coloured badly bc my used veriant was the FGR.2

[quartz sonnet]

My condolences

[quartz sonnet]

It definitely can be, especially if you're not familiar with the genre. If you didn't play stuff like the old X-Wing/Tie Fighter games, you'd have no idea what to do in Elite: Dangerous which is the issue I think Thor ran into as well.

[haughty pelican]

i quit over a year ago, after spading all the UK air tree + some

the thing that broke me was a combo of the the them admiting they are nerfing the brimstones and the state of Br compression

[quartz sonnet]

I've barely played over the last year because of the state of Air Battles. I just want my F-14D and then we good. I've certainly put my time into it.

[haughty pelican]

lol you have 200h left

[quartz sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-hand-shake-arnold-arnold-swarzeneger-gif-9494194

[whole timber]

@minor nymph add to friends, I might have more info about AoC and what is going on.

[earnest cove]

Kira said "don't accuse streamers who promoted the game, they got scammed just like you"

Immediately i see youtube videos accusing that streamers are working for the company to scam people 🙃 because of course some people don't get the memo

[quartz sonnet]

Anything for Content™

[earnest cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIBVeV3Gmo4

much more comment about the social behaviours around ashes than ashes itself

"i find it annoying that the most engaging content are the one trying to make you angry"

his commentary with this topic is really good to listen to

makes you think,

[quartz sonnet]

The folks that go burned are already angry and rightfully so. The rest are just drama slop farmers.

[river island]

For once they have a target that rightfully deserves the hate, streamers are not one of them.

[wheat sleet]

Drama slop pays, just like those gen AI slop videos for normies. Unless something changes, the slop will contine as normal

[river island]

And I know its a worthless point now, but I'm willing to bet that micro transactions would have been implemented due to the nature of how it was actually funded.

[earnest cove]

josh is also talking about the most successful mmo are... mobile gatcha games

it's really interesting talk

[river island]

Thor seems genuinely upset by the recent events & to cheer him up... I believe I'll post some poker chips.

[river cargo]

Honestly, might be an unpopular opinion, but seeing all the drama from last year has changed my mind about drama farmers.

Even if Steven has done terrible things, these people are just leeching onto his controversy to generate revenue.

Id rather they stopped making videos on ashes and just let the legal system deal with Steven instead

It's not even whether Steven or anyone else deserves to be hate watched by these people, it's about not giving these people any influence or incomr

[river island]

I don't mind they farming the landfill but them tossing Streamers into it for attention is unacceptable.

[river cargo]

I di

Because I know now that they may farm Steven today

But they'll farm some poor unaware sod tomorrow

Because their community is built on hate

[river island]

Fortunately I've seen a few get eaten alive by their fanbase before.

So that's something.

[river cargo]

Each one of these streamers don't care about Aoc, they don't care about Aoc's player base, they don't care about intrepid staff, and they don't even care about covering steven

[river island]

I suppose

[river cargo]

All they want is to use hatred to generate clicks

Them doing that to Steven irks me

[river island]

Indeed, we saw this last year aswell.

Channle pins has what you need.

[earnest cove]

yeah josh commented about that. whole communities built on rage

[river cargo]

I really want YouTube to stop incentivising this behaviour

[river island]

The problem there is they also profit.

[earnest cove]

they're the biggest profit makers

[quartz sonnet]

As long as it generates engagement and ad revenue, that'll never be the case. Tabloids existed prolifically before the Internet for a reason. Best you can do is curate your feed by selecting "Don't recommend" options and stop engaging with it on a personal basis.

[hazy storm]

Yeah but he makes a valid point that lots of people want to be on the ground floor of something new so they can be at the top when the community matures

[earnest cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQekOHlpvQI

related topic about the mentality of gaming

[earnest cove]

hello good to se you again after a long time. Yes he's right about that too

That sadly makes them super susceptable to scammers

people promising moons

[river island]

Do be careful with that, if you say I don't wanna see this on let's say Pirate software slop video topics...it won't show you his actual content.

Because the algorithm is a clown car

[river cargo]

I do think that MMOs are kind of a dying genre for gen alpha and gen z

[hazy storm]

thank you very much. i was always here just lurking. like a ghost

[river cargo]

They are too into fast dopamine rush like fortnite

[earnest cove]

Their version of mmos are gatcha mobile games

[river island]

Me with Diet soda...

[river cargo]

That's probably true too

[earnest cove]

Basically, a very fancy chatroom with a game attatched to it. Often mediocre in quality compared to others.

[river cargo]

Genshin, wuthering, umamusume

[earnest cove]

Behold, Roblox

[river cargo]

Isn't Roblox more like gmod

[river island]

You mean the dating service?

[hazy storm]

although roblox has so many subcommunities because of the experiences that it doesn't really count as an MMO as a whole

there are MMO games in Roblox for sure

[earnest cove]

gmod+mmo because it's still a multiplayer

[earnest cove]

i get the joke 😉

[river island]

The CEO of roblox is.....something

[river cargo]

I feel like hytale will appeal to gen z and gen alpha though

[hazy storm]

definitely something

[earnest cove]

Technically gatcha games you don't really talk to people. Rather it's an excuse for existing friends to get together and play together.

[river cargo]

U get Minecraft aesthetics with popular MMO servers and fast paced content

[hazy storm]

only gacha game that i think counts as MMO is Tower Of Fantasy. very very loosely qualifies

[river cargo]

God that just makes me think hytale moderation is going to have to deal with a ton of predatory nightmares in their reoorts

[river island]

Yup

But it's worth the hassle to do correctly

[hazy storm]

i hope they already thought of that and are taking steps. otherwise Hytale will live a very short life

[river cargo]

Ashes was bad, but I doubt many children or young adults were playing it

Especially if server owners from Roblox move over to hytale

[hazy storm]

i shudder to think

[river island]

Young adult feels like a oxymoron

[hazy storm]

they need to tamp down in it early before the rot takes root

[hazy storm]

hey i'm not a moron. oxy or otherwise

[river island]

And dont call me Shirley

[blissful imp]

moderation wont be an issue for hytale in the same way. it'll be up to server owners to do moderation. like with minecraft servers

[hazy storm]

you are a man of taste and culture

[river island]

I need to rewatch all his comedies

Its been a hot minute.

[hazy storm]

I normally don't like remakes but Liam Neeson did great

[river island]

I haven't seen it yet but the clips look promising.

I still haven't watched Blazing Saddles

[hazy storm]

just don't expect a carbon copy of leslie nielsen and you'll be fine. he does deadpan in his own way

[earnest cove]

hytale is like minecraft right? local servers

[quartz sonnet]

You won't be disappointed, it's great.

[river island]

Maybe I'll check it out this weekend, I feel like drinking so a light buzz may add to the humor.

[hazy storm]

funniest LN movie i've seen was Naked Gun 3. wtih anna nicole

[earnest cove]

i used to be really into minecraft but i discovered myself tend to just get stuck playing safe, which is not how you should be in those games

so i've surrendered that i'm not good at those games

[hazy storm]

tthe only thing i really enjoyed doing in minecraft was exploring caves and mining the duck out of them on peaceful mode

[river island]

I'm waiting for Block Game

Then I'll buy Hytale

[hazy storm]

and then dumping the spoils in my base

[earnest cove]

oh i looooooooved digging massive mines and get all the goodies

and massive farms are my fav projects

[hazy storm]

i'm not a builder, i'm a spelunker

[earnest cove]

but i also recognise that i'm not actually making the real progress of the game

[river island]

I like to hallow out the earth to bedrock but leave the grass under friends houses, they dig down and fall into a void...

[hazy storm]

you make your own fun in MC

i hope hytale lets you do that too

[earnest cove]

all the updates eventually push further and further into pure adventuring

nether updates, ender dragons so on so on

and eventually i felt very left behind compared to other peers who played mc

[hazy storm]

the Adventure mode etc sounds appealing but i hope they don't make it too RPG ish

[hazy storm]

yeah, i never even tried keeping up with my friends. I'd just pop in their servers, make the appropriate noises of appreciation for their build projects, then leave

[earnest cove]

same here

i just eventually lost interest in minecraft like games altogether

it was kinda more fun listening to others play it than to play it, meanwhile i play another game

[hazy storm]

what are you playing now?

[earnest cove]

mostly traveller's rest and a wed game called farmrpg

[hazy storm]

I've finally almost finished the campaign for Sniper Elite 5 (after forgetting about it for 2 years) and I'm also trying to finish an iron man run of Zero Sievert

[earnest cove]

unfortunately also a gastcha game since 2018 called Epic 7 because my husband still keeps up the story

[hazy storm]

i've been playing ZZZ in secret (hiding it from my daughter) because my wife doesnt want her to see me playing a gooner game

which tbf the character designs are definitely eyebrow raising

[earnest cove]

is it a mihoyo game?

[hazy storm]

yes

[earnest cove]

that explains it

i'm not a fan of the mihoyo style

[hazy storm]

may you never look up Brown Dust 2

that game is straight up pr0n

[river island]

To show the passage of time...TTS ended at 67 instead of 69.

[jolly sky]

Lmao, Thor's latest twitter post just goes to show that even when an apology is given, some people still don't care and will just throw hate regardless.

Next thing you know they'll be asking him to apologise for natural disasters lol

[wicked schooner]

"Theres a snow storm coming. Must be thor"

https://tenor.com/view/fairlyoddparents-dinkleberg-gif-4141833

[wheat sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/jenna-marbles-thanks-obama-thanks-obama-gif-3884463

[hazy storm]

well god of thunder and all that

[river island]

You mean he didn't strike my tree with lightning the other day?

[blissful imp]

i just scrolled it. most of the shitty awful takes from people are at the bottom for me. there were a few people that appreciated the apology.

There was that 1 guy that is trying to say Thor lied in his video about Margerette Krohn. using a post she made on Facebook. Thor has hidden that reply now was going to show the post but can't.

it doesn't help her out tho so idk what she was trying there.

well i know what she was trying, but it still doesn't help her out.

[river island]

Probably don't need to say this for a few reasons but I'm selfish and I wanna.. Thor I hope you don't let the current situation stop you from have a good rest and enjoy your off working hours.

[stone nacelle]

certainly needs sleep

heck i need sleep, waking up at 2am when stream starts much better than crashing at 5am

[earnest cove]

The usual suspects that have an extremely warped view and zero nuance

Probably the similar vein of thought of "everything he recommends suck" so that include ball pitt, poe2, and other immensely successful games that sold bajillion copies mhmm mhmm myesss /s

[earnest cove]

I post you in return this legendary picture

They're both very true

[indigo wadi]

what happened?

[golden mirage]

twitter happened

[indigo wadi]

obvs, but what specifically

[earnest cove]

Ashes of creation shut down abruptly

[indigo wadi]

that's...not what i'm asking about

[earnest cove]

Oh he apologised for getting people to try the game

[indigo wadi]

Thor did and ppl are still being dumb? Got it

[earnest cove]

There are already people making videos about how everyone who recommended the game was 'in the know' that the company was collapsing when that was not the case

[indigo wadi]

so dramafarmers dramafarming, got it

[earnest cove]

Also a lot of 'Narc is right' even though it was a completely different scenario

[quartz sonnet]

It's really not worth getting into because its Twitter. 70% of the comments are rage baiting for likes or hearts or whatever dumb "currency" people care about, 25% are spam, 5% are actually worth engaging with.

TL;DR Thor made a post, took it down because it was emotionally charged, made a new post apologizing and made a much better post. W Thor, Social media needs to implode already and go back to sharing cat vids.

Or in this community's case, Ferret vids!

[earnest cove]

Anger is too rewarding

[quartz sonnet]

https://imgur.com/gallery/0JZfzpk

[earnest cove]

Gosh that's cute

The currency of rage is very disproportionate. I post something neutral or positive, usually i get a couple of likes (usually from the artist i respond to). Meanwhile my friend ranted and raged about roblox and she got something like 1300 likes

By other frustrated Roblox players too

[river island]

Anger is tasty, like soda...but equally unhealthy.

[earnest cove]

Even when creators try to be positive there would be people who ask for the negative stuff.

[earnest cove]

When i was listening to the comments and coverage about ashes' shutdown the creators themselves got rather frustrated at people egging or pushing them into getting angry or accusing names or repeat the topic over and over

[indigo wadi]

Eff Twitter, Eff Ashes, I got great Effing news

https://winamp.com/

https://klipy.com/gifs/frankenstein-its-alive-2

[earnest cove]

Omg

I thought I'd never hear that name again

[indigo wadi]

It got revived in 2023

Only reason why I thought of it was

[quartz sonnet]

Is this Star Trek Online? God, I haven't played that game in a hot minute

[indigo wadi]

Yessum. Getting back into it full blast as I contemplate quitting WoW completely

[wheat sleet]

I tried to spend money on Star Trek Online but the company running it told me I couldn't redeem what I purchased beecause my account was created with Steam

[indigo wadi]

I've always enjoyed it but WoW had the bigger pull. This is my 2010 account that I've barely done much on outside of maybe 6 months of play, on and off over the years

[wheat sleet]

So yeah

[indigo wadi]

That's...odd?

[wheat sleet]

Yep. I created two tickets with their company and both came back with the same "answer" and closed the tickets as solved.

[indigo wadi]

Can't say I've ever had issues with purchases

[quartz sonnet]

Yikes, that's bad.

[jolly sky]

I heard it got taken over by a crypto company..

[indigo wadi]

oh gross

[jolly sky]

Ah NFT's, so sharing the same vile space

[indigo wadi]

immediate uninstall

[wheat sleet]

Found the original email chain. I won't post the whole thing, but this is the meat of it.

[jolly sky]

It's why I've stuck with the old old installers I still have.

Also, Milkdrop (the Winamp visualiser) can be downloaded independently, and has community made visualisations you can download. Thousands of them

[indigo wadi]

I wonder if there's something on steams end that they aren't able to control. That's my only thought, otherwise, I dunno, BUT, their CS is kind of useless

[jolly sky]

This seems to be the spiritual sequel to Winamp, a lot of the oldheads say this is the more proper version that's still being updated. But if you want OG Winamp, version 5.666 is last version made by the original developers @indigo wadi

https://getwacup.com/

[wheat sleet]

I don't even remember what it was for. Probably some in-game ship skins. It would be a simple GM command to provide those items.

[indigo wadi]

oh nice

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, but a lot of the time, they're instructed to not give out that kind of a thing and having it done through steam somewhat complicates it. Not making excuses for em, just assuming what I suspect the issue is

[jolly sky]

Here's some more info if you so wish

https://www.reddit.com/r/winamp/comments/1out9wx/wtf_happened_to_winamp/

yea it's reddit, but it's the Winamp community. Not known for bombastic or annoying behaviour, just vibing in their niche space

[indigo wadi]

reddit CAN be useful, just isn't a lot of the time

[blissful imp]

usually is just a site full of echo chambers with weirdos living inside.

[indigo wadi]

usually yes

like this place 😛

jk

[blissful imp]

Technically most discord servers are echo chambers as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

[wheat sleet]

Reddit is just an echo chamber that can't handle any dissenting opinions. Thor is perfectly reasonable as long as you're civil about it.

[river cargo]

just avoid youtubedrama, subredditdrama and livestreamfail and it's fine

[blissful imp]

its way worse than just those 3.

Reddit is massive

[earnest cove]

Silksong subreddit got flooded with politics and people booed the mod for telling them to stop the last time i checked

[wheat sleet]

The amount of effort it takes to moderate such a large number of people who are hellbent on shirking the rules is quite tiresome, and in the case of a paid moderator team, expensive too.

[indigo wadi]

Oh I know. Been here over a year. I know quite well 😄

[subtle gate]

I'm listening to Thor's video and $375 is nuts

[river cargo]

The price on steam was the cheapest it had been lol

[earnest cove]

He got burned really hard

And yet the internet is convinced that he's the biggest shill

[wheat sleet]

It's a business expense when you're a streamer. Disappointing, sure, but 375 bucks for the amount of hours of content we got out of it is quite a small amount.

[blissful imp]

And this was before he blew up on youtube because of shorts. during the pandemic lockdown as well.

[subtle gate]

yea that sucks

I could see bigger income less impact

[earnest cove]

The betrayal of trust is the costlier one because many people did buy aoc because of the recommendations they get

[wheat sleet]

I mean at least we don't have one of those gacha centric communities that glorifies dropping massive amounts of cash on loot boxes. Those kind of streamers still make money but the expense can be much greater in comparison.

[earnest cove]

And you know what happens when recommendations end up being bust. Everyone felt betrayed not to the company but to the messenger

Which is why Thor yet again js getting another hate mob

[subtle gate]

true putting your name on something then having it turn to shit makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about

[wheat sleet]

Thor got a massive hate mob because he played Runescape as part of his laundry-finished punishment for ddosing the servers.

Even IF the ddos started because Thor played, getting mad at the target rather than the culprit is insane.

[earnest cove]

They get mad at him at everything after two incidents

The skg thing and the wow thing

With the death of critical thinking it's all full uggabugga man bad everything he do is bad ugga

[wheat sleet]

They were also mad because he won the tech award over Vedal the year before.

[earnest cove]

What was Thor's featured technology?

[wheat sleet]

Creating the category

[earnest cove]

I know vedal have his robodaughters

As in pioneer for the category?

[wheat sleet]

Yep, he created the category for game development

[wicked schooner]

I felt the need to clip this if anybody feels betrayed for buying AoC because Thor played it. It may not douse the flames completely but its still an apology regardless if they say he never apologises
https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/HumbleSaltyFerretEleGiggle-d-67e5BHjSY1CcRz

[earnest cove]

Aah i see

[earnest cove]

Good clip

[wheat sleet]

It's still a meme people will repeat forever. No one will even watch the "Anything for Content" video, or even the actual SKG analysis video because they just want to be mad and rely on false information.

[blissful imp]

i didn't buy AoC because i was gonna wait until it was finished and the price wasn't over 100 dollars.

i ain't got the money to spend over 100 dollars on a game.

[earnest cove]

What's the "anything for content video"? Another commentary by josh?

[blissful imp]

i ended up looking like the smartest person ever

[wheat sleet]

One of Thor's best social commentary videos to date.

[earnest cove]

Oh I'm gonna look for thst

[wicked schooner]

Oh yeah those people have lost their minds, this clip is only for people who have a sliver of sanity and critical thinking

[blissful imp]

this https://youtu.be/Z1dh49O6LNM

[earnest cove]

I remember this now

[wicked schooner]

A video thor put out during the WoW incident

[blissful imp]

goes into Secret life(my personal favorite part as i never knew about that game). And other dumb things.

[wheat sleet]

Even the people I thought were perfectly reasonable people chose to believe the bigger content creators about the related situations because no one has an infinite amount of time to research everything. Getting a quick digest of information, whether it's from a content creator they trust or an AI that just gobbles up the internet, is about all they want to spend the effort on.

[hazy storm]

people also condemn folks who listen to Thor and other streamers for trying out games to play (that turn out to be bad) as if they themselves were never influenced by someone with a platform. whether its games, books, or movies. we all do it and they're on a hypocritical high horse

[wheat sleet]

My personal opinion is that Thor loves games FAR too much and many of his recommendations are not good value for money, but I still do look into most of them.

[indigo wadi]

It wasn't just two incidents. There's been a long standing dramafarm that's kept following him for years. It just exploded because of the Hardcore WoW Event

[earnest cove]

the ironic tihng is sodapopping is now dragged into another real life court case because of his associates.....

[stone nacelle]

meh, not even 'big' sometimes selacious = true

i've been in an argument with someone whom should have believed me over them, idk who their sources even are tbh

such a mess

court? not seeing a docket

maybe this divorce thing, doesnt seem like he's a witness or anything

oh there's one from 4 years ago

yeah, best have complete research

[earnest cove]

he's not one of the members in court. rather, he knew somebody who started some court things and his name appeared as part of the group's associates mentioned in testimony

[stone nacelle]

ah

yeah, that's, something? idk, watch the space i guess

[earnest cove]

Streamer social networking background in Austin is a real Trainwreck

[wheat sleet]

Austin is a landing spot for all of those fleeing California. We joke about it being new California.

[stone nacelle]

reminds me

[subtle gate]

I've heard of that

[stone nacelle]

there is this fun chinese zombie comic 'your head fell off again' that randomly showed a map and apparently all of these Chinese characters live in Austin. i ha dno idea

[blissful imp]

Apparently Brighton over in the uk these days has become uk's version of LA due to celebrities and youtubers moving there in the last decade. i remember this was brought up on Trash Taste when Sean/Jacksepticeye was on as a guest.

Gigguk in that said that he grew up there and Brighton was a tiny town back then.

idk personally btw as i'm American.

[wicked schooner]

Yeah he worked for the BBC before right?

[blissful imp]

🤷‍♂️

[wicked schooner]

I remember him saying he had a job at the BBC and sometimes he makes jokes about the time he worked there

Cant remember what position he worked as though

[earnest spire]

something about a company linking to the BBC

[river cargo]

I saw people say insane things about ludwig and qt over that

Like, they really couldn't believe that thor could win that award with merit

It was obviously all ludwig's evil plan to have his business partner win etc. etc.

[dusky grove]

Is it the hatemob again?

What insane bs are they spouting this time

[river cargo]

Saying thor didn't deserve to beat vedal, dougdoug and codemiko as the programming streamer of the year

[dusky grove]

Really?

Over an award, that while nice, is ultimately just... Clout

[subtle gate]

meanwhile I keep coming back to Hearts of Iron 4 and the game keeps crashing

[winter sierra]

When i spend time online,, i try to look at something from all perspectives despite the fact that social media actively trys to keep me in my bubble (which i dont mind if its only ferret content 😂 ) so ive spent some time doing unbiased reading on “thor haters” and from what i can tell its mostly people who are angry, lack context, and dont WANT context because they dont want to be wrong. Nobody wants to be wrong but when you are mad you really dont want to be wrong

[dusky grove]

And like... I like all 3 of them, but their accomplishments (the programming related ones) are kinda just for them (to my knowledge). Dougs code is just for him. Neuro is only benefitting vedal. Code miko's stuff is only used by them.

[winter sierra]

Ive seen some who have apologized, or been much more polite after calming down and it gives me some hope. ~~ and there are also the horrible people who are probably just trolling but lets not get into that ~~

[dusky grove]

I have a friend thats a hater, and while I tried to explain the context, I'm not good at talking soooo

[winter sierra]

I was talking about it in another server from a neutral perspective and they gave me some good insight. iirc none of them really wanted to hurt thor,, they just thought the situation was funny and it was fun to make fun of him. + they still supported the ferrets :p

[dusky grove]

I can't exactly blame them for not having context. Cuz the vods are gone so we have no sources except hearsay which is biased

Still wild that, when the wow drama was happening, people thought that thor was a bigger a hole than... A bunch of league streamers

Thats kinda funny

[indigo wadi]

Not feeding into the toxic attitude makes someone a bigger ahole evidently

[river cargo]

It was the desire to be the in crowd with the wow drama

That's why league streamers also jumped on hating thor despite...having nothing to do with world of warcraft

[earnest spire]

It was a magnet for toxic people

[dusky grove]

I do wanna talk about "don't feed the trolls" Thing that people say all the time

Its been a year now

Has it worked?

[earnest spire]

tourist are left

[river cargo]

Like I understand that in Dota you had Gunnar and synderen trashing thor but they were in onlyfangs. Caedral wasn't even in the guild but chose to hate on him

[subtle gate]

onlyfangs sounds about right

[river cargo]

Classic league of legends community

[earnest spire]

onlyfangs has tons of popular league streamers

[river cargo]

Nah but thor was clearly very hurt from the beginning

They should've stopped

[dusky grove]

Cuz, I would say, thor and company are still... Somewhat scarred by it even a year later

[subtle gate]

constantly blaming their team mates

[dusky grove]

Reputation wise

[river cargo]

He should've sued the drama farmers making 4 videos on him in a month over nothing

[subtle gate]

everyday for the span of a year...

[dusky grove]

And it makes me wonder what woulda happen if, around like november or something, thor had made a more concise, with clips as evidence, response, something couldve been done to take back the narrative

Because now, to neutral parties just finding out about thor, there's a decent chance that all they see are the drama clip farm things

And an, imo, underwhelming and weak response that came out too soon

[winter sierra]

i dont think he can,, you could ask khronos about that. anyways suing would 100% make people HATE thor way way more :P

[dusky grove]

Like, bringing up thor to people seems like a gamble now of "oh it's that asshole" To third parties that are on the outskirts of the information circulation

Even things that are objectively good. Like indiecember or the rescue or the jams

[carmine sierra]

Agreed

[river cargo]

I just avoid talking about it online

Only watch streams and pants

Don't recommend his vids and avoid talking about his streams in general to friends irl and online

[earnest spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807104781796507689/1090422287330717786/IMG_5219.gif

[indigo wadi]

And divert more funds away from day to day business? Nah. That would of just caused even more drama.

[wheat sleet]

I make references to opinions held by Thor without mentioning him. People who actively think PirateSoftware is the root of all evil sometimes still agree. I can only hope later on they make a connection and challenge their own beliefs, but I won't hokd my breath waiting.

[indigo wadi]

like farming drama is one thing, but if it went into slander, then you get into defamation territory, which is notoriously difficult to prove

[subtle gate]

IngameAsylum just mentioned that Thor at some point dropped a big raid on him years ago

[wheat sleet]

That's one thing that changed. Thor only raids ferrets now.

[dusky grove]

Ngl. This makes us sound like a cult

[subtle gate]

you are a cult

[indigo wadi]

I think it's because he didn't want other streamers to get hated on as a result

[dusky grove]

And thats valid

[wheat sleet]

Maybe. Could also be for monetary reasons. Losing so many viewers has an effect on ad revenue and he still has to feed the mods.

[carmine sierra]

After four servers completely unrelated to him started shit talking him and posting memes at his expense in the span of a week, I've stopped risking the confrontation

[dusky grove]

But it does further isolate him and us and makes us look even more in the wrong

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-tron-gif-4769291

[dusky grove]

Honestly, i think this isolation and stuff is a bad thing in the long term

It hampers any endeavors that might happen in the future. Sure indiecember had lots of signups, but thats cuz its a gamedev related thing and thats a space he's still relatively liked in

[carmine sierra]

At this point, it's a bridge that has to be mended from the other side

[subtle gate]

I agree

[wheat sleet]

Raiding other channels is also a sort of introduction to another community. Maybe Thor can send out some DMs to see if other channels would be open to a goblin raid instead of just doing them unannounced and potentially inviting strife.

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/raana-raana-kaname-mygo-kaname-kaname-raana-gif-11874674919739832907

[subtle gate]

I think we need to raid people not the ferrets

[dusky grove]

They won't try unless they see something worth rebuilding it for.

The whole "don't feed the trolls" Also starved out anyone that would want to rebuild it, because they rarely see the good bits since nobody is talking about the good bits

[jolly sky]

Not much else that can be done unless everyone here has the receipts ready to post against who bring up this, that or the other as marks against Thor in other places, and hope they listen to reason

[carmine sierra]

[dusky grove]

I tried looking for the vods to get video receipts but they were nuked

We should make a reference doc for the things we do have access to

[earnest spire]

the trolls have them they archieved them somewhere

[dusky grove]

I doubt they have the whole vods

Even wayback machine doesnt have em

[earnest spire]

there is a website

[wheat sleet]

Thor probably has them hidden/privated on YT still

[earnest spire]

Thats how they found that hype train bullshit one of them post it on here

[blissful imp]

Listening to reason?

in this economy???

[dusky grove]

But then its a gamble on if it happened before the 12 hour mark

[blissful imp]

i wish

[dusky grove]

The of streams were 24 hours, some of em at least

[jolly sky]

There's more than just video receipts. For one, there's Yamato during the WoW raid, the only person who was looking to blame someone else other than himself, no one else in the party was mad at how it down.

He scapegoated Thor, and then did the same thing he accused Thor of doing in the raid he participated in with Tyler1.

[river cargo]

I just want the whole blue prince playthrough back

[dusky grove]

Same

[river cargo]

it sucks aswell

because yamato's a bigshot in league

everyone took his side

[dusky grove]

I want video receipts if possible. Otherwise its just hearsay

And i dont wanna stoop to that level

[jolly sky]

Well, all you can do is post what receipts we do have, and then ask for theirs

[winter sierra]

but the ferrets are the most important :>

i mean. imo its the ferret rescue that shaye and thor run that has the most positive output on the world

[river cargo]

i never stay awake for thor's full stream so i never stick around for the raid

but is it really true he hasn't raided anyone?

not even like, primeagen?

[winter sierra]

idk im always just on the ferret stream

i see it most days

i dont really watch thor anymore past 1-2 am

[indigo wadi]

Define bigshot

[dusky grove]

Its mostly ferrets

Rarely winky or khronos, i assume

[indigo wadi]

since the drama, it's only ever been the ferrets

[river cargo]

like he was in the lcs and stuff

as like a coach or something

[indigo wadi]

I will not hate...i will not hate...

[dusky grove]

The yamato guy from onlyfangs isnt yamatocanon the coach

[river cargo]

oh

[indigo wadi]

Yamato does play League and he is extremely toxic there too

[river cargo]

i didnt realise they were different

but that's besides the point now

[jolly sky]

And then he got caught out scamming his viewers lmao

But anyway

[river cargo]

well scamming viewers is classic league streamer behaviour

[jolly sky]

He was pump and dumping some meme coin

[dusky grove]

Again... The internet took that guys side over award winning, black badge having, charity donating thor

Wild timeline we find ourselves in

[carmine sierra]

As much as people love an underdog story, they also love a story of the seemingly good person turning out to be a piece of shit

Whether it's true or not

[dusky grove]

True. Sad but true

[river cargo]

I'd argue the hate mob thinks that winning awards and black badges makes thor more hateable

Dr K said it best

The internet loves to tear down exceptional people

[dusky grove]

One of these days, someone is gonna have to sacrifice their algorythm to get all the points thrown against thor. Just so we can go point by ppint with receipts to debunk

[river cargo]

I think the mods have a good idea about all the points

[wheat sleet]

One argumemt for universal ID is that these kind of toxic people can finally be identified and rooted out. The problem is the other side of the coin is loaded with every other possibility of authoritarian overreach.

[indigo wadi]

all of which are faked btw, according to the internet

[indigo wadi]

The points have been debunked time and time again

[dusky grove]

But only seen by people that go into the server or are already watching thor

Not by the ones that need to see it most, the third parties that aren't in the information circulation circuit

[wheat sleet]

The problem is the people that really need to see the proof have already deemed Thor as an untrustworthy sourcem

[fathom stone]

And most of us too

Just remember, we are all thor secondary accounts. /s (sorry mods, should have added that in the first place. My apologies if you see this and the edit)

[wheat sleet]

You need some kind of third party with clout that can vouch at this point

[fathom stone]

too bad tyler1 didn't change that...

[dusky grove]

I'm not saying you convince the haters. I'm saying target the fence sitters

Theyre the most important audience in any public discourse

[earnest spire]

the fence sitters are on youtube and is filled with alot of hate on thor

[fathom stone]

understatement

[dusky grove]

And thats why we need people to speak up on our side

So the fence sitters have something from both sides instead of being biased to one side

[earnest spire]

Youtube viewers are in a bubble and have been convince by the hate

Nothing was actually done for youtube viewers

[dusky grove]

Thor tried, a bit too soon imo, and it was 1 voice vs many

[gentle mortar]

helo, is it happening again? Yes or no will suffice. I don't want to give it my energy again.

[fathom stone]

Not as bad as last time

[earnest spire]

no other stuff just happenning

[gentle mortar]

Oh ok, same old: "let's blame Thor for [blank] for 1-2 weeks and then (mostly and hopefully) forget about it"?

[indigo wadi]

For what reason though? People aren't gonna listen.

For most that aren't paying attention, it's a non-issue that they'll shrug about and move on with their lives

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/bnuuy-bunny-shitpost-rabbit-mm-yees-bnuuy-gif-7970488282837678817

[dusky grove]

Some will. The internet always hears.

[indigo wadi]

Have you lived in...2025 and 2026?

maybe I'm on a different internet

[fathom stone]

No no they are right

[dusky grove]

And there are people who want to like thor but just need a reason to

[indigo wadi]

because that is NOT the case

[fathom stone]

No no no...it is....hearing and listening are two different things

[indigo wadi]

Like if you're going out trying to find fence sitters, you're wasting your energies. And if you do come across them, there's a good chance there's double the amount of haters.

[dusky grove]

I'm as nihilistic as the next guy, and the internet is a depressing place. But there will always be believers in anything you say, and you can always influence the public if you play your cards right

Just because its unlikely to work doesnt mean its not worth doing.

From big things like the wright's first flight, to small things like going back to school to learn things. Always try

[indigo wadi]

But why do you want to? What do you have to gain? Despite all the drama, Thor is still doing well, the rescue is still doing well, things are chugging along decently.

Why put in that effort? What is there to gain? Why do you feel you need to go on this crusade to convince others?

[dusky grove]

Isnt that what thor himself teaches during gamejam season. "Even if its garbage, at least you tried"

[indigo wadi]

Thor also doesn't want us to white knight him

[dusky grove]

Because i believe in truth needing to be spread

[dusky grove]

I know that. And I know that its unlikely to make any change

[indigo wadi]

🤷‍♂️ If you wanna spend all that energy attempting, then sure.

[dusky grove]

But i want the truth out there. Maybe it wont help thor. But it might help the next guy that gets falsely bullied by the internet.

In the future people can go "remember what happened with piratesoftware. Don't jump the gun and witch hunt him until you hear the whole truth"

And I know the mods are probably looking at this and shaking their heads at me

[river cargo]

and that is the key point

the stream is doing just as good as before

[indigo wadi]

I used to think it was worth fighting at every corner, but then I became constantly exhausted and for what? no effort? I ain't Thor's PR, ain't being paid to change ppls mind about Thor. They're either gonna see it or not and people already have their biases anyways.

[river cargo]

the ferret rescue is expanding

thor's revenue and income are still good

[indigo wadi]

The truth IS out there, posted by Thor himself.

[river cargo]

he doesn't need his community to bat for him because everything is fine

[dusky grove]

And that the sane and normal person answer is to just let sleeping dogs lie.

[indigo wadi]

If ppl aren't willing to listen to Thor, then an audience viewer isn't going to change that.

[dusky grove]

But something in my gut is telling me that this is the right thing to do

[indigo wadi]

That's your pride, honestly.

[dusky grove]

Even if it does nothing

[earnest spire]

Truth is mendable and normal everyday people have better things to do

[dusky grove]

Even if theres a 0.00001% chance of even working

[indigo wadi]

You feel hurt because Thor was hurt by all the drama, so you feel the need to fight back.

[river cargo]

thor wasnt even hurt

he'd want you to let it rest

the haters will tire themselves out eventually...maybe

[dusky grove]

I won't lie that it isn't partially my personal feelings about this

[indigo wadi]

Thor was more than frustrated by all the drama, it may not be like physical or emotional hurt, but thor was damaged by it in some capacity.

Even the thickest of skins crack eventually

[earnest spire]

What done is done and they are better things to do than convince someone

[indigo wadi]

^

[earnest spire]

Thor have a lot of things to do

[dusky grove]

Thor lost his job at offbrand as director of strategy, and iirc multiple swat attempts

Not to mention the people related to those like the games from offbrand getting reviewbombed

[indigo wadi]

I used to think that I had to fight at every corner.

And then I realized that I was too personally invested, then I took a step back, from watching streams, from talking in the discord, etc. I had to reset myself to remove that parasocial feeling.

[dusky grove]

There's always two sides of this coin

[indigo wadi]

3 sides to every story

[dusky grove]

Cuz i do agree that you shouldnt fight every battle

[carmine sierra]

I'm gonna be honest
No, they won't
It didn't happen with Projared, and I'm sure dozens of others that I can't even remember anymore
The public conscious just doesn't work that way

[dusky grove]

But if you also just never fight then you don't get to dictate anything

[indigo wadi]

The internet is the public mob that George Carlin warned us about

[indigo wadi]

You have to pick and choose your battles though. This is one battle that isn't worth picking.

The internet is not going to magically like/love Thor again because a few voices spoke out. What's done is done. All we can do is move on. If things come up, then link the video Thor did and leave it at that. You can't force someone to believe your words. They have to be open to it and no amount of forcing is going to change that.

[dusky grove]

I know its inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. This isn't like fighting for people's rights or something

[river cargo]

u just have to put it in the back of your mind that, despite the "cancellation" of the internet, thor had a better 2025 than 2024, the ferrets had a better 2025 than 2024, and it will all still be better in 2026, and that's precisely because those sloptubers and drama farmers aren't worth listening to

[dusky grove]

But I don't think making a list of arguments with sources and reading it is that big of an investment

[river cargo]

and the people that matter most to thor are still in the community

and therefore, the streams and shorts and pants will all still continue

[dusky grove]

Its a fight that isn't hard to win

[river cargo]

the only thing he lost is the ashes guild, but even that will just move to better mmo

[indigo wadi]

Here's the thing. There's no fight to win.

[earnest spire]

Is done

[dusky grove]

I just think its always worth it to at least try. No matter how big or small something is

[river cargo]

might be good to ask thor himself in a TTS about it

or one of the mods in a ticket

but i imagine they'd give u the same response everyone else just gave you

[earnest spire]

At this point is bleak to convince someone of something happen one year ago

[river cargo]

eh

it's not just the wow drama

it's all the other dramas too

[dusky grove]

Some people in the community told me not to do it, others encouraged it. End of the day even talking about talking back is divisive

[river cargo]

the wow stuff is stale and over

[river cargo]

best to message one of the mods in a ticket about it

[dusky grove]

And I did ask in a ticket but they were busy with indiecember

I'll do it again when I have my pc back

[indigo wadi]

I'll randomly do a search to see if any drama videos pop up and the only one recently is qwazar or w/e his name is

[jolly sky]

And honestly if Thor or one of the mods tells you not to bother, then for your own sake you really gotta find a way to drop it

[dusky grove]

Cuz as much as I do want to do this, i aint doing this on only my phone

[indigo wadi]

all other videos are like 2+ months old

[dusky grove]

I saw one reacting to one of the drama vids from early january

[indigo wadi]

Pretty sure they've said this in the past

[indigo wadi]

that sounds like the one I mentioned

[dusky grove]

I know thor doesn't want to be white knighted

[jolly sky]

I'm pretty certain of it too

[indigo wadi]

which is effectively him saying, stop

[jolly sky]

So then, there's your answer

[indigo wadi]

If you're attempting to do something SOLEY on the basis of wanting change done, you're just going to exhaust yourself. It's why the internet can't have conversations these days.

Everyone wants ot be right, wants to be the ones that make change happen

[jolly sky]

It feels like this is a battle that you're fighting for yourself, but doing it on behalf of someone else isn't going to fix it

[indigo wadi]

And that's exactly where I was months ago

and that's why I stopped talking in the discord

[river cargo]

cas it sounds like uh, you're struggling because your friends IRL hate thor?

[indigo wadi]

the drama was affecting me on a personal level because I felt I had to fight on Thors' behalf

[dusky grove]

A smidge. I wont lie about that

[river cargo]

You could just stop bringing him up IRL imo

that's what I did

[earnest spire]

You still will have chances of doing that in the future

[indigo wadi]

Let me tell ya something.

People are going to hate things that you like. And you know what? That's okay. Even if it's for incredibly dumb things, that's okay (well within reason).

[earnest spire]

they will always be tourist

[dusky grove]

But here's my pov. We have the receipts, we have evidence to refute points that are commonly thrown against him. But its only known to us when it could easily be shared out there for people to research on their own

[indigo wadi]

another discord I mod in have mocked Thor & his drama in the past. I did try to fight it, but then I realized it wasn't worth trying to always fight it, so I muted the server until I got over it.

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-stop-it-knock-it-off-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-1813597736112623452

[indigo wadi]

and at the end of the day, it won't matter to those that don't care.

[dusky grove]

We can't tell anyone to "do the due diligence and research" Because the evidence is hidden away in here

[river cargo]

I won't lie

you have a point cas

[jolly sky]

Let Thors actions continue to stand for themselves. Your pov should start to focus on you, not someone else.

[river cargo]

Alot of the evidence can't be easily corroborated because the vods are gone

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/all-is-good-well-gif-14100701345311455874

streamchat today/yesterday

[indigo wadi]

i mean, you can just link the video Thor did. It's not like it's hidden

[dusky grove]

What I want, and I don't think its too much to ask, is to let people be able to theit own research and form their own conclusions with the primary sources of evidence. The vods

[river cargo]

But that suggest thor and the team are over the drama themselves

[river cargo]

Tbf it's not like there hasn't been new hate dramas after january last year

[dusky grove]

Thats why I always say don't convince the haters, convince the fence sitters

[indigo wadi]

There are far too many vods (or were) for anyone to actually do that much of a deep dive.

[blissful imp]

Which video?

Thor deleted lots of videos in 2025 because of losers using them to create fake bs.

[jolly sky]

Well, then you're gonna have to let that go. Cause they're gone.

[indigo wadi]

NO ONE has the attention span to do that

[river cargo]

I'd hope thor privated them rather than deleting htem

[indigo wadi]

anything for content, the one he said to link as a response

[wheat sleet]

I had a discord server that allowed mockery of Thor, including the admin, and when several people finally spoke up including the referencing to swatting, they laughed it off. I was a long time member of that community but that's the kind of thing I can't tolerate, so I left and disabled my subscription to their twitch channel.

[hazy storm]

unfortunately many people will just be on the hate train so much no evidence will help. i'm on a server where i've provided clips and links to tweets disproving people's points about hating thor.

it didn't help. they just dismissed it or ignored it and kept on spouting the lies

[blissful imp]

that is still up. good video. i wish thor did this when the huge drama happened in july instead of posting long tweets that no one was gonna read.

A video does way more and helps if done right.
https://youtu.be/Z1dh49O6LNM

[dusky grove]

Its been a while since I saw that response vid. But even the best response vid won't do much if it stands alone against the tide of opposition

[hazy storm]

ive shared that video repeatedly. unfortunatel because thor is the one saying it some immediately distrust it and call it spin

[swift star]

For many, truth means pain. And unfortunately, many are ill-prepared to handle it.

[indigo wadi]

a lone voice isn't going to help. VoDs aren't even going to help because again, no one has the attention span to willingly do a deep dive on it.

[wheat sleet]

The only satisfactory result to some would be to meme Thor off the internet entirely.

[river cargo]

u can just ask them to refute thor's arguments

[indigo wadi]

People are far more invested in drama because of the dopamine hits it gives them. They couldn't give a rats arse about the truth.

[hazy storm]

i did. it just turned into a circlejerk of nobody listening to each other

[river cargo]

"I don't find thor trustworthy" "Would you find 3 black badges trustworthy?"

yeah that's a different problem then lol

[indigo wadi]

black badges mean nothing to those not in the know about hacking

[blissful imp]

i disagree. look at Dream. Dude posted a video calling out fake bullshit and his channel is still going strong today.

[wheat sleet]

Defcon has been cancelled every year after all. No one has been able to attend.

[indigo wadi]

and we've seen ppl come up with BS about those black badges. It's a never ending tide of nonsense

[dusky grove]

If I may. In 2024 another youtuber came under fire for much worse accusations. They weathered the drama, in no small part to having people backing them. While they formulated their reply for months, they had friends keeping updates and fans trying to keep the narrative from devolving into baseless accusations.

When they did post a response, it was comprehensive and went point by point disproving some and accepting blame for others.

[indigo wadi]

what?

[fierce plinth]

if neglecting reason helps maintain the high then absolutely, hate junkies in a nutshell.

[hazy storm]

they throw out the meme arguments and give them the same weight as a dissertation. they drop "yeah but he worked 7 years at blizzard" and then act as if they won the argument

[wheat sleet]

It's a joke.

[indigo wadi]

ah

[terse pelican]

It's a running Joke in the Defcon community to say it's canceled every year

[blissful imp]

was it the dream stuff? #streamchat message

i just said that

[indigo wadi]

Was this Rich Campbell by chance?

[dusky grove]

It was chuggaaconroy

[indigo wadi]

ah

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[dusky grove]

A letsplayer of mostly nintendo stuff

[indigo wadi]

lol yeah, i don't recognize the name

[fierce plinth]

if there was anyone I'd trust to write history it'd be him

[hazy storm]

i gtg so i'm just going to say that i'm not against the idea of trying to use reason to defend thor. i still do it on a regular basis and it sometimes works. but the hill is a lot harder to climb than people are assuming here because the majority of people on the internet latch on to an idea and hang on to it with a death grip if its funny/dramatic/aligns with their prejudices/shared by their friends and no amount of reason will get them to budge

[wheat sleet]

I hear that Nintendo is pay-to-stream, and also comes with a contract of do's and don'ts

[jolly sky]

You will never find a perfect solution Cas. People who find Thor and see what he's doing firsthand and enjoy what he's doing will stay.

People who seek out drama and believe what they see from 2nd hand sources will continue doing what they do.

Just let Thor keep on carrying on and what happens will happen. If you find someone genuinely just curious, then let them know. Other than that, you're better off just enjoying what Thor does.

Neither him or the mods would want to see you continuing to tear your hair out finding all the perfect responses to each and every point.

[blissful imp]

no. that was a thing from more than a decade ago. this was removed a while ago

[dusky grove]

Who it was didn't matter. I just find the situation similar, a bunch of false accusations from high profile names in that space.

The difference is the response, mostly from the audience. In thor's case, his friends and us his community stayed quiet. In chuggaa's case, they came to support him.

[indigo wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ZJui3aPoQ&pp=ygUXY2Fycnkgb24gbXkgd2F5d2FyZCBzb24%3D

[dusky grove]

I will say that it is a flaw of mine that I am easily suckered into drama. Thor or otherwise

[blissful imp]

1 of thors friends/dev friends did post a video supporting him actually.

And a tweet after TwitchCon NA

[indigo wadi]

we didn't stay quiet though. Those that came to this community, we addressed on a daily basis

[fierce plinth]

adding noise to a caucophony of morons who are willing to plan events that may lead to someone's death is a poor idea though, weeding things out isn't as direct as being louder

[hazy storm]

i respect that you're really dedicated to defending thor. you're a good egg.

[dusky grove]

But that was us on the defensive. In this, relatively sequestered part of the intetnet

[jolly sky]

Sounds like something to focus on thats more important than going to bat for Thor, or anyone else that isn't a close friend or family of yours

[indigo wadi]

Not like there was any offensive we could go on.

[dusky grove]

I tend to be like that with a lot of things. Thor is just the modt recent

[hazy storm]

and IIRC we converted quite a few people

[dusky grove]

That we did

[indigo wadi]

Others may have the support systems in place to weather that kind of Drama.

Thor is, for the most part, a lone wolf.

that's the difference

[wheat sleet]

Technically their would be, but people that would engage in aggressive tactics are actively removed from this community. Respect goes both ways.

[violet sundial]

He has us

[indigo wadi]

I mean in terms of public facing support

[hazy storm]

NGL i still get raised eyebrows and the occasional snarky comment for my server tag

[indigo wadi]

If like, 100 ppl came out in support of Thor that had decent sized audience, things would of played out much differently.

[dusky grove]

But even the audience can make a difference. Not everyone has to be a big name player

[jolly sky]

All in all, us simply tuning in to the stream and watching the videos is the best we can do. There's no point seeking out a castle to defend Thor from.

[dusky grove]

In that 2024 drama with chuggaa, most of the vocal ones were fans. Some not even content creators

[fierce plinth]

idk who greenlit server tags, but I hope someone at least thought souped in the idea it'd start turf wars

[indigo wadi]

an audience can, sure, but in terms of influencing the public more? An audience isn't going to do much. It's the influencers that move the needle

[violet sundial]

I do my public facing support by showing up and having a good time. People come in, get converted or leave. That's normal

[hazy storm]

it was a perfect storm of too many big names speaking against thor followed by a horde of drama farmers fanning the flames to the ignorant

i dont think chugga faced that

[wheat sleet]

It's a pay-to-play war so that's why it was greenlit in the first place. Discord will engage in shitty MTX tactics if it makes money.

[dusky grove]

But the allegations were worse. Mind you these were proven false, but it was sexual harassment and stuff with a minor

Compared to... Wow drama and voicing an opinion on skg

[indigo wadi]

at the end of the day, I'll watch Thors streams if I'm in the mood, but when it comes to drama, I'm not getting that deeply invested again.

[indigo wadi]

You realize that Thor has had those allegations as well ya?

[wheat sleet]

Stream delayed an hour

[dusky grove]

I know

[hazy storm]

yeah but i have no idea who chugga is and i doubt many others did either. not saying i'm the arbiter of anything but the thor stuff spread REAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY FAR to the point that my brother heard about it and he's not plugged into the internet at all

[forest glacier]

Fair, dune updates at 1am PT

[fierce plinth]

now I know you're an east coaster, rapidly approach- actually nvm you can stay over there

[wheat sleet]

Central, east coast is 3am rn

[indigo wadi]

From my understanding, Thor has always had dramafarmers and people not liking him from his Second Life days onward. So we are talking literal YEARS of build up until the bubble popped with OnlyFangs

[silver stump]

it updates for 3hrs though

[forest glacier]

Expected downtime, could be more could be less. Point?

[wheat sleet]

More, always more.

[silver stump]

idk, i thought you were implying that could be the reason for the delayed stream

[indigo wadi]

speaking about exhausting, it's hitting me brain 😄

[forest glacier]

Has not stood the test of time with Dune, they’ve made good on their estimates sometimes

[fierce plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/ishmael-limbus-company-fishmael-fish-project-moon-gif-6697387173931684495

[dusky grove]

I just think that, when it comes to dealing with false accusations and hyperbolic claims, there is a middleground sweetspot.

Going fully "Don't feed the trolls" Might have worked in the past but i am questioning if it works fast enough nowadays considering vids are still being made about thor a year later

[indigo wadi]

and I still have BGA tables to take turns on

[blissful imp]

i wish Dune wasn't 50 dollars usd.

Also why is it mixed on recent reviews?

[fierce plinth]

I stopped evaluating reviews ages ago, mostly full of nonsense

[jolly sky]

I think, you're massively overthinking it, and you need to find a way to stop. It's not your role or job to get lost in this.

[indigo wadi]

in todays internet, ppl are quickly locked into their opinions with no want of moving on from them.

[wheat sleet]

Thor still tries to engage with outright trolls just in case they have a functioning brain cell left.

[wicked schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1391080250623918151/1463865721405575374/ezgif-586aa1432f10cfb9.gif

[indigo wadi]

i have noticed him addressing them more directly lately

[wheat sleet]

It was one thing when it was a literal flood of them, but now they trickle in and are sometimes just misinformed and willing to listen.

[violet sundial]

Idk if people know this but those drama videos are still made because YT algorithm massively promotes drama/hate/negative content. It's a means to make money. Thor being right or wrong is not the point. It's all about the money

[jolly sky]

Exactly. And it's his role to do that. Not any of ours

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-gif-14135670661561260102

[river cargo]

Hoepfully the trolls dry up

but there are alot of them

[fierce plinth]

I reject your reality, and SUBSTITUTE IT WITH MY OWN! *nyoom nyoom laser beam noises*

[wheat sleet]

They'll never dry up completely, but we can only hope the drama farmers get their revenue source deleted.

[indigo wadi]

there will always be trolls

[dusky grove]

Idk. The fact that its still going on and vids are still made as recent as 2 weeks ago makes me not trust "Dont feed the trolls"

But that might just be me being influenced by watching previous dramas end almost instantly with a good enough rebuttal

[violet sundial]

That's how it will finally stop. I am tired of seeing drama videos for every tiny little thing.

[indigo wadi]

cause MONEY

once drama videos stop making money, theyll dry up

[fierce plinth]

I read "they'll never dry up completely" and immediately though of vtubers

[dusky grove]

Drama vids, reaction vids reacting to the drama vids

[blissful imp]

huh?

[indigo wadi]

asmongold

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[wheat sleet]

Clicks/views get paid. When that lawsuit involving the Hassan followers finally goes through, there might be a precedent about react content that starts a cascade effect that demonitizes all react content for fear of further legal action. We can only hope.

[fierce plinth]

don't forget gambling ads

[indigo wadi]

what lawsuit?

[blissful imp]

Asmon is a ragebaiter.

[indigo wadi]

i know

he's a master at it

[jolly sky]

I recommend that you just hit the "Not Interested/Don't recommend this channel" and move on.

And if for some reason you're seeking them out, definitely stop doing that

[wheat sleet]

Gotta look it up, but basically 3 react streamers engaged witha video to actively take away views (thus revenue) from the video.

[dusky grove]

I just think there's a lesson to be learned here, multiple.

[violet sundial]

Once you figure out the pattern that ragebaiters and dramafarmers use in their videos, down to the word, you will be free.

[indigo wadi]

isn't that the Ethan Klein lawsuit?

[river cargo]

uh

[dusky grove]

I'm not. All i did was search "pirate software" And filtered by most recent.

[river cargo]

i don't think the h3h3 lawsuit will affect dramatubers

[terse pelican]

Ethan is suing 3 ''Hasan Orbiters'' for it yeah

[blissful imp]

i've literally not seen a single video pop up regarding shitting on Thor in many months.

[river cargo]

The thor sloptubers may be lying but were atleast changing up the video enough to avoid copyright while the hasan orbiters literally weren't adding any reactions

[violet sundial]

That promoting hate shouldn't be a good source of making tons of money.

[indigo wadi]

There is one from a few weeks ago, but all others are 2+ months

[blissful imp]

why are you searching it up?

that's the issue

[dusky grove]

Maybe its my algo, but i see em every 3 weeks

[indigo wadi]

it's not my algo and I do search occasionally

[dusky grove]

I'm not searching for drama. Usually i do it to go to the channel for vods

[wheat sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAiuEyJF-I

[dusky grove]

Literally just "piratesoftware"

[wheat sleet]

Wait, that might not be the one...

[jolly sky]

Then make a bookmark of the channel. Or go to your "'Subscriptions" tab so that it won't show you stuff that you don't want to see.

[indigo wadi]

such a bait of a thumbnail

[blissful imp]

Then sub to the piratesoftware channel so that way its in the sidebar on the left

[violet sundial]

Please let this be the end of the drama farming

[terse pelican]

That's the 'bait' video IIRC

[round grove]

Is Thor streaming on Tuesday?

[blissful imp]

1 hour delay

[violet sundial]

I am tired of these master baiters

[indigo wadi]

giggity

[wheat sleet]

No, that's the video. It's just kind of wierd using that thumbnail I guess?

[dusky grove]

I am subbed. But i'm thinking of the ones that arent

[indigo wadi]

cause it's a bait thumbnail

[round grove]

Only today?

[indigo wadi]

ethan knew what he was doing with that thumbnail

[dusky grove]

Ye

[blissful imp]

yes

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[round grove]

Ok. Where is this info from?

[blissful imp]

twitch chat. new pinned message

[wheat sleet]

Yeah, he was planning the whole thing even with the previous video that caused this one. Ethan planned the whole thing out. I know there has been updates since, like settling with I think two of the plantiffs?

[jolly sky]

...why are you thinking about people who aren't subbed?

[round grove]

Lol. Didn't know I need to check there also.

[indigo wadi]

that's typically where you'll see such updates

[dusky grove]

I am too plugged into this, i aint blind. But it IS concerning that people who want to search up thor for any reason (to watch him, to research the drama, to see indiecember, etc) will be fed the drama

[indigo wadi]

They aren't unless they actively click on the videos

[wheat sleet]

Sometimes updates happen here, sometimes on Twitch (sometimes on ferrets kek)

[dusky grove]

Shame on me for being empathetic i guess

[wheat sleet]

It's a burden

[silver stump]

oh yeah that one, half misinformation half things being fixed in a few hours

[dusky grove]

The thumbnails still paint a picture, especially for those not as in the weeds as us

[round grove]

Very good strategy

[dusky grove]

And i just wish it werent the case

[jolly sky]

You need to realise that you're not being emphatic to yourself by getting lost up and hyperfocusing on all this

[violet sundial]

I get where you're coming from and I have had similar thoughts. But I realised the best I can do is support Thor and try to help newcomers in twitch chat.

[dusky grove]

I know dan. I know i need to unplug from all this. But my brain defaults to this and trying to ignore it is a different kind of exhausting

Its like being told to not scratch an itch

[indigo wadi]

As someone that has dealt with autopiloting, you need to actually take control

[dusky grove]

Possible but difficult

[fierce plinth]

can try to find reasons to enjoy people's lack of brain cells to subvert or divert that? dunno

[indigo wadi]

When you feel your brain shift, pump the brakes. Go do something else. Go for a run, knit, do literally anything elese

[wheat sleet]

You just need to engage with something else that steals your attention. Find a game you like, get a new hobby, start a dnd campaign with some friends, etc.

[indigo wadi]

You also have a very important support system at your finger tips that you can utilize when you get that itch.

This community.

[jolly sky]

And, to be quite honest and somewhat brutal but I think it needs to be said, some of us as fans of Thor are getting tired of people who are also fans bringing up the drama, even from a defensive standpoint.

At some point, it's gotta stop. Start talking about the positive or funny things Thor is doing/has done in streams and/or videos instead. Maybe that will help reframe things.

[dusky grove]

I know

I know. I try. I know i'm one of the ones that bring it up most often. Sorry

[indigo wadi]

https://klipy.com/gifs/god-of-war-kratos-22

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-god-of-war-kratos-game-ps4-gif-16945323

[indigo wadi]

One thing that you have to come to terms with is being okay with not defending Thor. It is okay to let the fight go. It'll take time, it'll take practice, but believe me, you'll be better off in the long run

[jolly sky]

Agreed. Otherwise you're gonna be slipping down the parasocial scale, and that never goes well

[indigo wadi]

It leads to burn out and eventually depression

[swift star]

Agreed, there is a certain wisdom with picking your battles and recognizing which ones you'll win by not fighting them.

[indigo wadi]

When I stopped always defending Thor, wanna know what happened? Nothing. Nothing changed, and that, brought me a sense of relief in an odd way

[forest glacier]

I don’t mind it at all, don’t let people tell you that you have to change to suit their feelings

[jolly sky]

It sounds weird, but start picking fights against yourself, something that you can control. And not out of hate, but out of love for yourself. And you'll only gain more control the more you practice doing that. You're gonna have a lot more success doing that than convincing John and Jane Doe's on the Internet.

[blissful imp]

John Social Media

weird name

[indigo wadi]

It's not about suiting our feelings, its' about dealing with it in a healthier way.

[dusky grove]

I just find it weird when even talking about things in public, thor or otherwise, feels taboo

[forest glacier]

Everyone so full of their emotions..

[blissful imp]

that's anyone tho with a negative aura from dumb drama. There are people i can't or wont share here or any discord because of some drama that made them "the bad guy"

[terse pelican]

It's because a lot of people are emotionally invested in everything, and aren't capable of having a constructive conversation on the topic and just lash out when you don't agree with them in clear words

[blissful imp]

And no this isn't actual shitty people btw.

[dusky grove]

Its not just people, its anything

[forest glacier]

Consciousness go BRRR