streamchat

[rapid scarab]

so I now just write a wall of text when I need to explain something

and he still goes to messages that are directed to people in chat and missinterpret them

[jolly sky]

@lapis flame I'd be down for Steam requiring the offer of buying through steam, but not exclusively."

Steam does not have exclusivity over games. Publishers/Developers can choose to host their game on whatever site they want. GOG, Epic, etc.

[lapis flame]

For any in-game purchases, you'll need to use the microtransaction API so Steam customers can only make purchases from the Steam Wallet. You can learn more about how to complete this integration in the Microtransactions Implementation Guide.
-- https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/microtransactions

[split tulip]

this is true, when running the game through steam.

[lapis flame]

The point that im trying to get across is that this provision is steering customers towards the steam payment system, not much different from what Apple/Google were doing on mobile

[jolly sky]

Yes, if you buy a game on Steam, they are the one hosting the servers, both for Multiplayer and Downloads of games. And that also makes sure that your purcahse is tied directly to your account

(Which means you have the easy accessibility of refunds, support etc)

[lapis flame]

crucially steam doesnt care how you verify DLC ownership, only that its paid for through steam

[jolly sky]

You can buy DLC for a game on Steam on another store, if the store offers a Steam Key. Steam doesn't prohibit this.

[lapis flame]

so steam customers are forced to buy from steam.

[swift gulch]

Also it's probably not a universal rule
FFXIV doesn't do it, for one
And I remember a few other games that had microtransactions through their own website, though I couldn't name them off the top of my head

[split tulip]

for the same game and account:

• launch the game through steam, pay with steam wallety
• launch the game through separate launcher, pay with their system

[lapis flame]

this is fine, but why arent you allowed to offer your own payment system when the game is launched through steam?

this exclusion of other payment systems is what steering is.

[split tulip]

same reason burger king can't walk into a MacDonald's and say "better burgers across the street"

[jolly sky]

If I'm understanding that right. Steam wants to make sure that they are using trusted payment systems. VISA, Mastercard etc. They don't want to support Crypto etc. And the payments systems they support changes per country.

[split tulip]

the launcher and store is steam's real estate, essentially

[lapis flame]

yeah, but all this is about in-game purchases

[swift gulch]

Hell, don't Ubisoft games all redirect to Ubi's launcher?

[lapis flame]

not on the steam store

[swift gulch]

Even on the Steam version

[lapis flame]

or on their website

[jolly sky]

It's not all about in-game purchases, the Lawsuit is claiming multiple provably false things about Steam

[lapis flame]

so its not steams turf, its the games turf and steam is imposing a restriction on what the game can offer to customers

[swift gulch]

A restriction that's followed so little that I didn't know about it until now

[split tulip]

launch the game through steam and it's Steams turf

[jolly sky]

But they're literally not imposing restrictions.

It's right there in their Policies

[lapis flame]

okay, lets decouple this from the lawsuit for a moment. I have problems with the lawsuit and dont want to be bound to its bombastic claims.

[split tulip]

if you launch the game through the steam launcher, you must pay with steam wallet for in-game purchases. that's the policy, unless I'm missing something

[jolly sky]

Ok, so lay out the problems you have with Steam, and lets see if we can talk about it and find common ground

[lapis flame]

Steam customers can only make purchases from the Steam Wallet.
This is pretty clearly a restriction.

[split tulip]

it is. Epic chooses not to enforce it

[lapis flame]

Epic has no such restriction

[jolly sky]

Isn't the Steam Wallet itself only used when you puts funds into the Wallet? (Either by choice or when you get a refund for a game)

[swift gulch]

That's what Disco is saying
They could if they wanted to, they choose not to

[jolly sky]

AFAIK you can buy a game directly through your bank card, and not touch the Steam Wallet

[swift gulch]

Your saved credit cards are part of the wallet

[ocean agate]

steam wallet is just saved payment method and for refunds if you want store credit

[jolly sky]

Yea, so I'm still not seeing the problems here

[lapis flame]

yeah, but this requirement forces me to put money into the steam wallet (through steams payment system, ensuring they get 30%) in order to buy DLC in-game.

[split tulip]

Steam wallet aka steam's payment system. wheter balance or credit card

[jolly sky]

No you don't? You can just buy it directly.

[ocean agate]

no in game mtx is a pop up that requires money in the wallet

[swift gulch]

I'm pretty sure it includes the credit cards
If not, it at least has a way to put exactly the amount of money you need into the wallet to buy the thing
I know I've done that for a few games before

[split tulip]

not when launched through Steam

[lapis flame]

yeah, by putting money into the wallet and then using that money immediately

[jolly sky]

You're getting charged 30% because its being bought through Steam.

That existed before the Steam Wallet existed

[split tulip]

to be clear: I'm using Steam Wallet here meaning Valve's payment system and 30% cut

[jolly sky]

Oh when you're actually In the game, right? Just making sure I'm understanding this correctly.

[swift gulch]

Alright, looking it up, it seems I'm wrong
Stored funds are the only thing considered to be part of the wallet
However, buying something with the wallet when you have insufficient funds will give a purchase option to match the exact amount required
So it's kinda roundabout but you can just buy indirectly with your card

[split tulip]

yes.

for the same game and account:
launch the game through steam, pay with steam payment system and fees
launch the game through separate launcher, pay with the games's payment system

[lapis flame]

the point is that all payments in-game have to go through steams payment system. Why arent you allowed to offer your own payment processing?

[split tulip]

you can buy currency on a game's website, then use it in the steam version of the game

[ocean agate]

uses steam overlay in game that requires steam wallet

[jolly sky]

But once again, you're not forced to buy through Steam, see Warframe. You can buy in-game purchases through Warframes Launcher and in-game, and not touch Steam at all.

It's on the developer to support that option, not Steam

[lapis flame]

i can see this being required for free-to-play games

because otherwise itd be purely a loss for steam

[split tulip]

there's a reason most gacha games are not on steam

but are on Epic

[jolly sky]

If you launch it through Steam, Steam has to provide the download for the DLC. And Customer Support, and all the other things that Steam offers. The 30% cut is paying for that. Perfectly reasonable in my opinion, since Valve made Steam to be a really good place for Developers and Customers outright, otherwise it wouldn't be used.

[lapis flame]

but generally i feel theres a problem where Steam is forcing devs to only offer payments through steam.

[ocean agate]

epic does the same thing, they just take a smaller cut iirc

[split tulip]

that would likely end up with headaches for Steam "I bought the currency in the Steam game, give me a refund" even tho it was through a third party in the game client

[lapis flame]

we can obviously discuss whether this is justified, but the point of Sweeney is that this practice was found to be problematic for Apple/Google

[split tulip]

that's if you choose to use Epic payments. you don't have to

[jolly sky]

cough and paying Developers for exclusivity to try to get even a crumb of the Userbase Steam had

[split tulip]

I found it problematic because those platforms owned the hardware, and limited storefronts

[ocean agate]

if you use epic to launch the game, the payment goes thru epic, so they take a cut

[jolly sky]

Need I remind people that there are multiple, basic features that Epic has either been slow to include in their Marketplace, not not include it at all.

[swift gulch]

Apple also adds the charge on top of the payment instead of taking a cut of the same price

[lapis flame]

this is the strength of their monopoly thats a different factor for steam

Steam only has a de-facto monopoly

[swift gulch]

It's only a "monopoly" because the alternatives tend to suck

[lapis flame]

not a monopoly enforced through technology

[jolly sky]

(See Epic taking 6 months to even make a basket on their Storefront)

[swift gulch]

It's the old joke of like
Steam does nothing and their competition shoots themselves in the foot

[lapis flame]

oh im not saying EGS is great at all, just that Sweeney does have a point and isnt just spouting nonsense

[swift gulch]

Also GoG is still going strong

[split tulip]

Developers who use their own payment tools will not share revenue with Epic on in-game transactions
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/epic-games-store-implements-in-game-purchases-for-third-parties

[jolly sky]

Again, another Storefront that offers really good support for Developers and Publishers, with a well functioning browsing and user experience, unlike the Epic Store (Obviously the lack of DRM is of course a huge factor)

[split tulip]

Epic offers their own payment service when running a game through Epic. they don't require it. that's their policy

[lapis flame]

heres epics guidelines on buying DLC: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/epic-games-store/requirements-guidelines/distribution-requirements/requirements-overview#in-app-purchases

[ocean agate]

ok, but the payment processor they use take their own cut. thats how payment processors work. so like.......they still lose a cut

[lapis flame]

they lose a cut, yes, but not 30%

[split tulip]

buying DLC is different than microstransacitons. DLC are added to your epic account

[split tulip]

payment processeors take their cut regardless. there is no escape

[lapis flame]

yeah, my mistake, they refer to it as in-app-purchases

[swift gulch]

Personally Steam's microtransaction policy for me is like
Would be nice if it wasn't mandatory, but I'm not broken up about it

[lapis flame]

thats what i meant with DLC

they are equivalent to me, i shouldve been more precise

[split tulip]

stores treat them different

[jolly sky]

I literally don't care whatsoever about Steams cut, as they are literally providing all the support for the customer, both in the downloading and hosting of the content, and using themselves as the forefront of customer support instead of the developer of the DLC.

I think that taking a cut for themselves to have all of that easily available to the customer makes perfect sense

[split tulip]

the only thing about all of this I would find objectionable (if it does exist) is requiring price parity for non-steam key games. but all we really have to go on there are a few emails showing that steam might contact they feel like you're giving steam users the short end of the stick

[lapis flame]

so after all this i think we have achieved common understanding, but still disagree about whether its problematic.

[split tulip]

yeah that's fine. all I really want is for people to have the full context

[lapis flame]

i also hope Sweeneys tweets (xits?) dont seem ridiculous or unrelated, just a different position.

[jolly sky]

I mean, they do because he's saying literal false information but thats another thing entirely

[lapis flame]

okay, at least those that pertain to steering

[jolly sky]

He's being just vague enough to make it look like he's making sense

[split tulip]

Sweeney is wildcard. sometime he's genuinely pushing for better consumer practices, other time's he's being really weird

with steam it just looks like he's just shooting from the hip

just taking potshots

[jolly sky]

And while it can't be proven that the UK Lawyer is working with Sweeney to present his arguments and apply them to the UK Lawsuit, it's veeeeeeery interesting that she's using a lot of the game terminolgy and almost word for word arguments that Sweeney is

[split tulip]

idk if he's working with them. I just think he found a good opportunity to dunk on steam

and all his arguments look weak when you look at the state of the epic launcher and how that's suppoesd to compete with steam as product. but they do have gifts now. and they work most of the time

[civic vector]

I'm jsut going to link this direct from the FAQ

[jolly sky]

I guess to put it into another perspective in terms of Storefront Cuts, it's fully allowable and expected for Amazon to take a cut from purchases you make through them.

They're the ones hosting the item on their website and servers, paying for the charges that the Purchase Processors charge Amazon to make the purchase possible in the first place, dealing with customer support, and also doing the delivery if they are chosen to be method of delivery

[lapis flame]

Amazon requires most-favored-nation status from their sellers, forcing sellers to potentially eat higher costs.

i have similar problems with that.

[jolly sky]

Lets just say that part was taken out, I would still have no problems with Amazon taking a cut since they're the ones literally offering and doing all of the work to get the item from their warehouse to the customer, meaning that the company making the product doesn't have to deal with the shipping, the logistics etc.

They'd be taking a cut for the company selling the item not having to deal with all that, for the convenience.

[lapis flame]

i have no problems with amazon taking a cut for services rendered.

and they can make it as high as they want

but requiring that sellers dont offer the product for cheaper in other e-commerce stores really hurts competition

[jolly sky]

And, from everything in Steam's policy, that's exactly what Steam is doing too. Services are being rendered by Steam (Advertising, Publishing, Content Delivery, Hosting, Support, and many other positives for the Developers) And I'm completely fine with Steams cut considering the sheer amount of things they offer for both Developer and Customer

[lapis flame]

the 30% are fine

since you can try to sell the game on other platforms for cheaper if you can make the numbers work

you just cant sell steam keys for cheaper

the steering stuff i can get behind for really cheap (or free) games

[jolly sky]

Which is fine by me. If the developer hosts the game on a different storefront that doesn't use Steam Keys (GOG for example) They can set the price to whatever they want and completely ignore Steams price, and Steam can't ask for anything from the developer

[lapis flame]

if your game costs next to nothing and then steam doesnt even get a cut of the mtx i can see that being a problem for steam

so requiring only steam payments in-game i guess is fine

[jolly sky]

Well at the end of the day, that's the choice of the Developer to incorporate their systems in Steam. If they choose not to, then they can't use Steams systems (downloads, payment transactions etc) for free.

The developer could make everything they offer (the game, DLC, cosmetics etc) entirely happen through a self hosted website, like Hytale for example

[swift gulch]

A lot of bigger corpo devs just have Steam fire up their launcher when you start the game

Ubisoft comes to mind

[lapis flame]

yeah, but steam is using one monopoly they have (game sales/discoverability) to gain another (in-game mtx)

[split tulip]

you are effectively running in stealth mode if you don't launch on steam. you'd have to rely solely on your own marketing power, which Minecraft and now Hytale can do. noticed this when Ashes of Creation came to Steam. suddenly exposed it to a larger audience (and it was not ready)

[jolly sky]

Then to avoid that that, the developer should offer to buy their own DLC/MTX through their launcher, and make it so that the User can make login through them, like Warframe.

It's all on the Developer to do that, not Steam

[split tulip]

the other games that are not on steam are basically institutions themselves, like League of Legends

[lapis flame]

yeah, but most people arent going to use the launcher because steam is a monopoly.

[gray fable]

What are the 4 crystals of the elements according to Thor? I’m asking because of the object he is building on stream

[jolly sky]

They can still make their own launcher and provide DLC/MTX through it and avoid the Steam cut, and still be on Steam. Like Warframe.

[swift gulch]

And FFXIV

[lapis flame]

you can, but thats not going to be the majority of your players

[swift gulch]

If your launcher is the only way to get the microtransactions, it'll be all of your players

[jolly sky]

Well, thats still not up to Steam to change.

That's up to the developer.

[swift gulch]

If the game executable through Steam is just the launcher, and the launcher starts the game from there, then that's now your entire playerbase

[jolly sky]

Now what would be bad, is if Steam required all launchers had to be tied to Steams purchasing method, and that any purchases that go through that Steam gets a cut of.

But they don't mandate that

[split tulip]

yep, cause you're using steam infrastructure

[lapis flame]

hey, AoC has the launcher as their "game"

i hate it

it makes the time played stat completely useless

[split tulip]

yep. but if you launch it through steam, you pay for mtx via steam. I know cause I did

[lapis flame]

well seeing how you have to launch through steam ...

they dont need complex logic for it

[split tulip]

yeah, another reason to hate "mini-launchers"

[jolly sky]

Exactly. If you log into the website for AoC and buy DLC/MTX through it, Steam would get no cut.

Perfectly fine

[split tulip]

steam got no cut of me buying the alpha key. they just gave us access to it on Steam, effectively transforming it into a steam key

[swift gulch]

Steam gets no cut of anything I buy on the Mogstation for FFXIV

[split tulip]

yep

[jolly sky]

So really at the end of the day, Tim Sweeney has absolutely no leg to stand on, and neither does that UK Lawyer

[lapis flame]

that probably falls under the exception for early-backer rewards

also, it cost more then

[split tulip]

they said they were never launching on steam, but well here we are

[lapis flame]

eh, they need money

i hope they got enough

but i doubt it

[split tulip]

well, I'm not giving them any more of it. maybe, I'll consider it if they clean up their act

[brisk locust]

Deep focus Thor

[lapis flame]

i suspect that AoC will have folded before this year is over

[split tulip]

I'd be very interested in seeing their financials

[lapis flame]

they have north of 200 employees

in california

that cant be cheap

[terse pelican]

I'm fairly sure 'His name' ( Forgot it atm ) has more than enough money to keep going a few more years.

[lapis flame]

im not sure

[split tulip]

he did run a kickstarter, sell alpha keys and cosmetics and possibly has an investor: https://buymeacoffee.com/paradoxgaming/ashes-illusion-the-undisclosed-investor-behind-intrepid-studios . link to court cases in article for sources if interested

so I don't think he has unlimited money

[terse pelican]

Shadow Investors? That happens

[split tulip]

it's weird when he keeps stating that there are no investors

[terse pelican]

Probably cause if there is an investor, they have made it clear they don't want it to be known at this point

[split tulip]

I wouldn't care cause it's like 10% stake, but I just want honesty

[split tulip]

it's fine if they didn't want to disclose a name. but you can't sell it to people as "100% self-funded, no investors" if that is not the case

[terse pelican]

Yeah he should be honest, but half the time in the Industry, There's a lot of cloak and dagger in the early stages.

[split tulip]

that's no excuse when selling a product to someone

I would not be suprised if it ended up a false advertising case at some point. you'd have an argument for it

especially if people get sufficiently mad about the game

tho most kickstarter lawsuits rarely go anywhere

[terse pelican]

I've heard so many horror stories of Kickstarter campaigns just getting the money and running away

[split tulip]

games on kickstarter are a big gamble

[terse pelican]

But also about Project that get the funding they need, Do the thing to a degree and then realize project creep stops them from continuing

I think Thor is currently making the Crystal from early Final Fantasy.

[golden latch]

Rupee

[terse pelican]

Completely different topic, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5kWDOuY2Uo Super interesting video

[thick ledge]

Vaguely based on megaman legends refractors I think after I suggested it with a picture

[terse pelican]

I haven't played anything other than the Sidescrolling Megaman game, But quick google search shows me that it's accurate to what you said

[swift star]

I love her vids!

[worthy ivy]

<tinfoilHat>

all of the cutouts always be singing from the same hymn sheet

often using the exact same phrasing as each other - word for word

once you see it you can't unsee it
and it's everywhere
literally everything has been tainted by MK-whateverthey'recallingitnow

the gaming space is next up for conquest by the system - been going that way a while now

</tinfoilHat>

[ocean agate]

pls fix closing bracket....

[subtle gate]

<> I saw that too

[wheat sleet]

Worm regards moment

[thick ledge]

Spidermang

[ocean agate]

do it thursday so you can get a 3day

[winter sierra]

thor and frog

[dusky grove]

I dont know where hair stops and fert begins...

[gray fable]

I had a joke in mind but it seemed way too cursed

[static otter]

Thor 777's BEFORE time?

[gray fable]

what the heck is Ball X pit?

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ball-x-pit-ballpit-ball-pit-ball-pit-gif-4271716174131316641

[wintry pond]

wow, look at this dude not balling

[warm trench]

reverse bullet hell

[jolly sky]

Ball X Pit is Arkanoids/Breakout for the new age

[frigid dust]

I made something for the occasion
Hope Thor sees it

[forest glacier]

I’ve seen him do it as early as 25 mins before stream, but I’ve also been here for 2 years constantly watching at stream start 😂

[hollow tinsel]

does he read this on stream ? or stream chat. ive tried answerign him lol

[gray fable]

its super unlikely to happen in the near future, but somehow im imagining thor playing majora's mask and making everything more cursed than it already is

[forest glacier]

Thor does not read #streamchat while streaming unless directed by chat and even then sometimes he refuses.

[hollow tinsel]

he doesnt seem to read his streams chat either lol

[gray fable]

he does

[forest glacier]

That’s more of a hytale issue, he’s REALLY into it, that’s all. He normally does read his chat and during ads he reads it more.

[gray fable]

sometimes things get more heated it seems, but he does read chat

[wheat sleet]

Send a TTS, those are always read and directly responded to with timestamp in the vod. #answered-tts

[coarse python]

Does this mean that the headphones are eternally fused to his skull? /j

[drowsy ermine]

Basically sums up the stock market

https://youtu.be/h-Z8_Mzmqgk?si=SdMD2pKyDMO05k3H

[wicked schooner]

"As a professional cow"

[dusky grove]

Ballxpit? Was there an update or smth or did he just get the itch for some balls

I thought he completed the game already

[lapis flame]

given that hes still progressing ... apparently it wasnt completed

[wicked schooner]

He did complete it

But now theres a new update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EIJeqbptiY

[dusky grove]

That explains it

[wicked schooner]

Fresh new content

[rapid scarab]

ball x pit givinh me the best ooc clips https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/OddEsteemedWolverineRiPepperonis-_RvxADH2UU6Zf5QL

[blissful imp]

Weapon stats description mod. https://www.rxddit.com/r/hytale/comments/1qs8kkj/ive_made_a_mod_that_adds_each_weapons_damage/

[blissful imp]

uhhhh. it seems Steven hadn't been running the company. this would explain things.

Discord really needs to show the original name from a forward, because it seems that i posted this originaly what i didn't.

[subtle gate]

💩

[dusky grove]

Oof

[brisk sparrow]

And on the same note: where TF did the aforementioned board come from

There was no talk of it before this moment

[blissful imp]

🔥 ✅ 👆 🤌 💩 🤡 🖕 🧢 🫃 ❤️ 🇾 😭 😂 👀

i don't have the other emojis

[jolly sky]

Stephen on multiple occasions said with his own facehole that he was the sole owner of Intrepid. So this mysterious "board" is new to everyone

[brisk sparrow]

Thanks IOS for not having any of the regional indicator letters

[blissful imp]

that's actually better and funnier imo

😂

🇾

[brisk sparrow]

Behold
Letters

[blissful imp]

🇦 🇸 🇩 🇫

[brisk sparrow]

Y u do dis

[blissful imp]

🇱 🇲 🇦 🇴

[blissful imp]

And he did 2 interviews with Thor, and was on Asmons stream.

So i guess he lied to both Thor and Asmon.

now he's trying to save his ass. Weren't there people a year ago that called him a scam artist?

Actually i think it was late 2024

[jolly sky]

IIRC he worked for an MLM company and if that is the case, that still doesn't equal to Stephen himself being a scam artist. It all hinges on what actions he knowingly did while he was at the company.

[brisk sparrow]

I just want a game to release without any hiccups for once this year.

[golden latch]

Terraria update 😃

[blissful imp]

hytale didn't have any bad hiccups when it launched into Early Access.

[brisk sparrow]

That’s fair, though that one is close to not counting since it was previously cancelled

[jolly sky]

I think the emphasis is on release from Luna

Hytale could theoretically still fail

[brisk sparrow]

Not counting updates

[brisk sparrow]

Also this

[golden latch]

Half sword i think just released and has a fun campaign now

[blissful imp]

Technically then AoC failed, because it was still in Alpha. not a 1.0 release.

being on Steam imo doesn't count.

[brisk sparrow]

Honestly, would’ve been shocked in 1.4.5 flopped

[brisk sparrow]

Correct

Hmm I’ve confused myself

[jolly sky]

Oh, and here's the source of Stephen claiming that the game was self funded to make a viable product, and that he doesn't need money to finish the game;

https://youtu.be/yDMdF1mz9Ek

[brisk sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-liar-you-sit-on-a-throne-of-lies-gif-17734593

[jolly sky]

Of course you've got people saying "'Narc was right!'

Except he wasn't because he still lied about the state of the world he "showcased" in his video.

"The desert is an empty biome" except that isn't the case at all if he turned the camera around

[brisk sparrow]

“Desert is empty”

1. Wasn’t even a desert it was where the ocean was supposed to be iirc
2. It’s a desert, it could have some shrubbery and things to do, maybe even ruins. But it’s not gonna be as dense as a forest.

[jolly sky]

Yep, that was him going to the world barrier and claiming that the desert had literally nothing in it.

Like l i t e r a l l y nothing except sand. But if he turned the camera around in the video, it would have shown off the entire desert biome that existed at the time, which was still detailed and expansive

[blissful imp]

this'll probably mean narc will get a ton of subs/views on his channel, and we might see some weirdos pop in to the stream to shit on Thor again considering thor defended the game during that time, even tho narcs video was a lie in itself.

including going on Asmons stream to show off how cool AoC was at that time

Which of course got him in trouble on Twitter with people who hate Asmon

this was before the drama on wow btw

[brisk sparrow]

There’s always been a slow trickle of people who still try. We just look at em weird now

[jolly sky]

Yup, and the world itself looked hella cool, can't lie about that

[blissful imp]

not about AoC tho. usually its about the WoW drama because WoW players are strange creatures. And also someone will randomly make a weird comment about the Ferrets

[jolly sky]

I think we can move on, we've seen it all before and its been talked about to death

[subtle gate]

didn't realize there was a middle finger emote

🖕

ingameasylum has moobot throw that in twitch chat every so often

[wicked schooner]

Im surprised the middle finger emote was made in the first place

[subtle gate]

PR thing for sure

[brisk sparrow]

I raise you a much much stranger emote. 🫃

[subtle gate]

ah yes

the common denomonator

[blissful imp]

its Cosmo

https://tenor.com/view/gonna-puke-cosmo-fairly-odd-baby-fairly-odd-parents-feeling-sick-gif-23883356

[wicked schooner]

Im not saying the middle finger is weird, its just who the hell approved this since we already know what the middle finger actually means

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/age-of-empires-age-of-empires2-aoe-aoe2-windmill-gif-25949417

[wicked schooner]

I didnt pay attention too much on moobot but i can see how people get confused of middle finger emote with the point emote

[subtle gate]

👆 🖕

[wicked schooner]

Like sometimes I see people be proud of america only to use the liberia flag or malaysia flag lol

[subtle gate]

🇵🇱 🇮🇩

🇦🇹

🇮🇹 🇲🇽

[blissful imp]

🇨🇭

it popped up as a flag

[subtle gate]

I've thought about this at great length

[wicked schooner]

USA: 🇺🇸
Liberia: 🇱🇷
Malaysia: 🇲🇾
-# Hey thats my country

[forest glacier]

ah, damn. Gonna make me open up my browser after I just closed it? lul.

[swift star]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-23728528

I get into work at 1am just 45 minutes ago and man...

Reading all this shit with Intrepid is wild.

My time in Verra was brief, but I had some good ones. I'm ok with keeping the memories.

I fully understand not many may feel as I do.

[gray fable]

i don't fully quite understand the full situation, other than AOC getting shut down due to poor moderation and not fixing bugs?

[golden latch]

🐽

Why this but no stamp emote

[wheat sleet]

Due to insufficient funding most likely. Backroom deals for a loan that couldn't be repaid

[quartz sonnet]

There aren't any hard answers, mostly speculation. The only thing we know for sure is the entire leadership resigned, including Steven, so it's dead.

[swift star]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1qsm3r2/the_board_composed_of_me_and_my_husband/

⬆️ Not sure how legit this is but if so...

[meager rune]

It is a legal, public document.

Can search the file/case # here: https://bizfileonline.sos.ca.gov/search/ucc

More than likely a file from a debt collector.

The whole situation is, everywhere with a lot of wtf’s

[swift star]

Many thanks.

[quartz sonnet]

It's pretty bad any way you look. It's either Steven was lying about having full control of the game or he's lying to try to save his ass after squandering the direction of the game.

[blissful imp]

that xbox controller and the keyboard btw

[tender field]

Yep. I love typing: F3 F4 4 5 6 R T Y.

[winter sierra]

what is that on her lower wrist cmon ai,, did you even try

[blissful imp]

its an old image gen model. new models like nano banana pro are much better at that stuff

including letters

[indigo wadi]

Internet people are strange creatures*

[blissful imp]

Modern internet people are strange creatures*

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-myself-am-strange-and-unusual-lydia-winona-ryder-beetlejuice-im-awkward-gif-18985093

™

[indigo wadi]

even old internet people were strange creatures. Just a different breed.

[rapid scarab]

funny how "the board" is only mentioned now

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/ganyu-keqing-smol-gif-24844853

[ember slate]

Yea I thought Aoc was entirely funded by Steven. The board is news to me.

[rapid scarab]

if this board really exists I doubt they would allow steven to run around saying that

[blissful imp]

https://youtu.be/yDMdF1mz9Ek

Stephen said it was fully funded.

by him

[earnest spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399808441079562241/1000596156155449444/gravelshake.gif

[ember slate]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-tyqcJoNjNv0Fq

I sense an impending shit show

[rapid scarab]

did any of the other staff said anything about this board?

or is just steven?

[tacit hare]

Wow, just woke up to take a night piss. AoC got ahut down?!

[rapid scarab]

it seems so

[tacit hare]

Thats a shame. It looked fun. Well, back to bed for me. Bye everyone

[rapid scarab]

gn

[jade talon]

Well, when they filed their corp docs, Board was just steven

Date filed: Dec 30, 2025 ...

[indigo wadi]

https://klipy.com/gifs/why-though-1

Was AoC actually a scam?

[terse pelican]

I wouldn't call it a scam, But it was a bad purchase.

[jade talon]

As far as i have read, people believe that the steam release was them trying to get out of the kickstarter refunds promise they made

[indigo wadi]

That seems scammy don't it?

[jade talon]

Thats a bit scammy, yes

[indigo wadi]

Apparently there was a sale of AoC or something?

[terse pelican]

If that's accurate yes, But that's speculation at this point

[rapid scarab]

so the board is bs

[blissful imp]

this would mean Stephan lied to Thors face, Chat's face, Asmons face. and more.

remember thor interviewed him twice

[indigo wadi]

I remember

AoC reddit on fire right now

I fully expect Narc fanboys to storm the moat

[jade talon]

I just started the refund process on steam ... they will probably deny but i'm going to try anyways

[blissful imp]

Reddit being on fire isn't a bad thing.

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[rapid scarab]

seems like people are also blaming asmon

[indigo wadi]

not on fire that it's burning

[rapid scarab]

somehow

[indigo wadi]

just that it's hot right now

[wicked schooner]

Lol wut

[indigo wadi]

asmon doesn't even game, how's he to blame?

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

WTF DOES ASMONGOLD HAVE TO DO WITH THIS

[jade talon]

i just know this is going to be a fun stream today ^^

[indigo wadi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1qsm3r2/the_board_composed_of_me_and_my_husband/ like does any of this make sense?

[rapid scarab]

I am usually the class clown, but I will try to help thor in chat aswering questions as best I can

[indigo wadi]

Maybe have the bot set to muting any mention of Narc

[ember slate]

Someone needs to be blamed!

[indigo wadi]

cause you know that's gonna happen

[rapid scarab]

yeh

[tender field]

Yep. I made the mistake of checking reddit.

[wicked schooner]

Do be careful though just in case the mods slip finger or heimdall

[quartz sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-wtf-surprised-pikachu-gif-19719769

[rapid scarab]

nah I will answer to people askign what happened, so thor dont need to repeat himself that much

[indigo wadi]

Hence the reason I mentioned it here lol

[ember slate]

Its going to be a hot topic all stream long.

[rapid scarab]

yeah and thor didnt slept because shit happened when he was suposed to sleep

[indigo wadi]

What shit happened?

[rapid scarab]

the announcement of what happened to ashes

[indigo wadi]

That kept him up?

[rapid scarab]

I mean yeah?

[indigo wadi]

He quit 3 days ago though?

[rapid scarab]

so?

[jade talon]

the way he fangirl'd over the game for a long time... would keep me up too

[indigo wadi]

I can't imagine that announcement would keep him up if he quit hte game

[ember slate]

I imagine he was waiting for them to add moderation to their game.

[indigo wadi]

Is the AoC discord still active/on fire, or did it get shut down?

[rapid scarab]

you know there is an entire discord server with people of this comunity that was about the game right?

not everything happens here

[indigo wadi]

I know that?

Not sure what that has to do with thor quitting the game 3 days ago and him staying up because of the game shutting down as a result. To me it sounded like he was done and basically moved on

[jade talon]

he probably still had hope that they turn that game around somehow

[indigo wadi]

Fair, but hardly a reason to lose sleep over it

[junior torrent]

Was their a ferret thing?

[indigo wadi]

granted, he's gone 24+ hours before

[floral hazel]

I think the sleep concern was more trying to get Heartbound out

[quartz sonnet]

I would speculate that Thor probably lost sleep due to the Heartbound update more than anything. 👀

[static otter]

mods 100% getting extra direction for today's stream t avoid problem with the AOC storm

[proud depot]

not very healthy though. Especially as one gets older. (I can't pull all nighters anymore, myself)

[indigo wadi]

yes but Thor isn't normal

he's a mutant don't forget

[floral hazel]

I really need to get the twitch sub club thing on my account here

[indigo wadi]

I think Towelliee has the same thing cause he's good on 5 hours of sleep too

[quartz sonnet]

"All nighters? You need more naps!" - My body after 30

[proud depot]

I think its just connecting your discord account to twitch (or maybe the other way around,)

[static otter]

Old MAcDonald had a serverfarm, AIAIO 😄

[floral hazel]

Ok, I will check that out

[proud depot]

under connections in settings

[floral hazel]

Why thank you :3

[ember slate]

Oh yea! He said something about getting 2 hours of sleep after the stream to work on Heartbound.

[floral hazel]

I have a feeling Thor may have overslept that one hour heh

[proud depot]

confirmed thor is awake!

[indigo wadi]

That makes much mkore sense

[urban venture]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-omg-its-happening-gif-4453990

[floral hazel]

Awesome

[blissful imp]

Somethingb Stephen couldn't do

[floral hazel]

Oof

[proud depot]

was beginning to wonder if he slept through his alarm (or whatever he uses to wake up)

[small nacelle]

Thor was awake at 9 and said he needs a nap.

[blissful imp]

he took a 1 hour nap

[floral hazel]

Old man DLC kicking in there

[winter sierra]

going on this reddit was a mistake

[indigo wadi]

XD

[winter sierra]

is everyone on reddit 5 istg

[indigo wadi]

yes

[winter sierra]

its funny

[urban venture]

He’s changing his oil (monthly change)

[indigo wadi]

lolz

Once he starts streaming, I get my lil one up for his night feed

and then maybe put together the change table that i've put off for the last 6 months lolz

[jade talon]

stream is starting ^^

[proud depot]

I actually looked at the addresses in there, one of them is in a very rich neighborhood. Will not mention more though

[winter sierra]

i saw 😅

[indigo wadi]

aww man, a banger bag pipe song just starte https://open.spotify.com/track/7z7SZcghJic8NaXYbGf3it?si=30c5d2d556844336

[floral hazel]

Oh damn, I read that reddit... Steven is going to get mauled

[indigo wadi]

publicly then legally, maybe

[floral hazel]

Tbh, I always felt somthing was kinda off which is why I didn't buy it until it was released

Really sucks for players who went in and high

Smh

[indigo wadi]

I expected Starfield to drop out before AoC

[ember slate]

All those players who did RMT...

[indigo wadi]

@blissful imp ew mmo eh? lolz

[junior torrent]

Frankly the lack of modding globe chat was enough of a red flag. Wouldn't be a surprise if one or more of the people who worked on AOC end up being the kind of people on a certain list

[indigo wadi]

well they would be on linkedin

[quartz sonnet]

Was hoping AoC would pan out. A bunch of gaming homies and I are looking for a game to play together If nothing else, at least I didn't buy into it.

[floral hazel]

Hytale it is

[indigo wadi]

Can I introduce you to my lord and savior World of Warcraft with their fantastic housing system that they never shut up about?

[floral hazel]

I am sorely tempted because of housing

And that its Quel'thalas which I waited like... 15 years + for

[indigo wadi]

They mention housing so much, I forget there's an actual expansion

[floral hazel]

I need ,my blood elf renaissance

[quartz sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[floral hazel]

psst Hytale

[river cargo]

housing is actually good though no cap

blizzard knocked it out of the park in the latest wow expansion

[quartz sonnet]

We've been experimenting with it, not far along yet to get seriously into it 👀

[river cargo]

The worst part of wow is the....unhinged community

but the new xpac looks great

[floral hazel]

There's always a part of that community you just have to pat on the head and run away

[solemn echo]

Reminder that the base game of Guild Wars 2 is free

just saying

[indigo wadi]

Comparible to Wildstar...almost

[indigo wadi]

GW2 can't grip me the way WoW does, dunno why

[floral hazel]

There is a different atmosphere in each of the big hitters of MMOs

[indigo wadi]

oh lord, the narc vindicated comments are already happening chat, i soooo called that

[proud depot]

mirror ada is telling everyone to stop shrimping, and my adhd ass is sprawling over my chair like I'm a cartoon villian

[quartz sonnet]

The wild thing is he got called out for lying, because he lied. The funniest thing about it is he didn't need to lie about it

[proud depot]

if my desk chair could take it, I would probably have a leg draped over the armrest and be leaning directly on the other one'

[indigo wadi]

Did he have any other grievances?

because he just came off whiney about the entire thing

[solemn echo]

thats fair
I just like that there is no gear treadmill in GW2 and the pay2play part

• the game is overall fun

[indigo wadi]

I've also been playing WoW since 2006

[quartz sonnet]

His grievance felt like he was offended that the game existed and tried to paint it as poorly as possible. I didn't pay attention a whole lot after the fact.

[indigo wadi]

or 2007

[indigo wadi]

So then just...don't play it?

like

i dunno

doesn't make sense

[quartz sonnet]

Anything for Content™

[indigo wadi]

u rite

So I guess

Starfield Streams with Thor then? 😄

Also

Thor is wearing Thunder Cats shirt

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Total Biscuit said it best; don't preorder games and I think that can also apply to kickstarters

I'm paraphrasing mind you

Not starfield, star citizen

[blissful imp]

the board running intrepid atm

[lapis flame]

nice one :)

[winter sierra]

eco friendly wood veneers

[high canyon]

10/10 meme

[indigo wadi]

I laughed hard

[wispy plover]

Leave my boy Plank alone, he ain't do nothin! lol

Actually wait

Give him a Karen wig now that we know that info

[wispy plover]

The truth comes out haha

[indigo wadi]

oh god, make thor see this again

[proud depot]

this is the fastest I've seen chat move outside of thor saying "seven"

[blissful imp]

this is bad

but it works

[proud depot]

lol, why is it so big?

[wispy plover]

Omg the lore drop

I'm here for it

I can't wait for the chapter where Steven fights Evil Steven

And then he quits

[blissful imp]

i can't make memes

[terse pelican]

It's painful to watch Thor trying to get people to actually write full sentences to explain their point, But only get 2-3 words at a time.

[wet coral]

But that would

Take time!

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/choopo-jingle-jangle-keys-pay-attention-gif-5329561005981139666

[wet coral]

KEYS!

[fierce wharf]

instructrions unclear, head acaught in ceiling fan

[terse pelican]

But t's not in the Safe.

[quartz sonnet]

New PirateSoftware YouTube series: "Communication 101"

[proud depot]

just the one guy in chat saying "i dont like you"

[lament sun]

most people think they are on a timer by how most the big twitch streamer treat their 1-on-1 viewers

see asmos when he perma bans people

[terse pelican]

The problem most of the time is that people just want to overwhelm you with words, so that you don't have time to dismantle their nonsense

Rather than have a proper discussion

[wicked schooner]

Yeah people nowadays dont want to be informed, they want to get the "I WON" drug by being dumb

[wispy plover]

They're not interested in being right. They're just interested in being loud.

[terse pelican]

Yup

[wispy plover]

Loud = winning somehow

[wicked schooner]

Why do you think karens scream at you when you want to ask for a normal conversation

https://tenor.com/view/karen-scream-hilo-gif-20530468

[wintry pond]

LOUD IS RIGHT

[terse pelican]

''Might Makes Right''

[rich ridge]

This scares me a little, part of the lien on Intrepid.

[junior jasper]

Could be this also?

[terse pelican]

I just think that's normal, But I don't know, Ain't an expert

[odd musk]

the board is actually the friends we made along the way

[wispy plover]

nah, spirits arent this dumb. You ever hear a spirit say "Whoops, mismanaged all my money! DAMN YOU MADE UP BOARD!"

[worthy ivy]

yeah it is normal, customer data is standard to include in a lien on a business

[dapper mica]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-margarita-ville-stock-market-wheel-headless-gif-17896977

the board

[wispy plover]

that tracks

[rich ridge]

smths weird, one of the "holders" in an active lien changed their name out for a "TFE Games Holding INC"

most of these were files by a lien agency.

[gritty dawn]

I knew the board looked familiar!

[swift star]

201 now.

[worthy ivy]

would be normal, if they sold their portion of the lien on to TFE then the paperwork would need to be updated

[worthy ivy]

count plankula!!!!!! I hasn't seen him in years
how did he get from an insurance office in Leeds to the military?

I shit you not, that's the spitting image of count plankula who used to live in the corner of the office I used to work at

[wispy plover]

I very deadass wish people wouldn't go to the "free speech" when people are saying horrific stuff in games. Not only does Free Speech not work that way, THE INTERNET DOES NOT = AMERICA.

I know that borders politics, and I'm sorry, but that is 100% relevant to gaming.

It is such a dumb argument.

The internet doesn't have a constitution lol

[winter sierra]

i have words on this but,, politics :p

[wispy plover]

Totally understandable. Wouldn't even be surprised if I get smacked a bit for it. But it is easily the stupidest thing I see "gamers" say on a daily basis when it comes to bans in games.

[rapid scarab]

freedom of speach is not freedom of consecuences

[wispy plover]

Exactly. And I hate the mindset for some "gamers" that everything is CoD-like.

I said it earlier in chat, but like imagine how toxic you have to be to get banned from a game like LoL.

Even they have SOME standards.

For people to say that AoC shouldn't moderate the comments that were going on in their chats is beyond wild.

[terse pelican]

As far as I know, It's pretty much 'law' that they have to Moderate it

Otherwise the company can be held liable for what's being said

[worthy ivy]

it's a particularly thorny issue in a social sandbox

there's a fine line between RPing as a shitbag and being a shitbag

and I think Intrepid drew the line in completely the wrong place - as soon as it starts bleeding into IRL stuff it needs the banhammer fast

otherwise it'll be like early EVE was - early EVE was off the hook for totes inappropes IRL shit going down - servers getting hacked, DDOSing, doxxing, swatting

EVE invented all of that

[wispy plover]

I think the sandbox was here, and Intrepid were drawing the line somewhere over there in the cat litter box.

[terse pelican]

They went to play in the wrong Sandbox I feel

But also, I want to play Shin Megami Tensei Online again 😐

[late vortex]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2001760/Beast_of_Reincarnation/

Steam

Beast of Reincarnation

In post-apocalyptic Japan, a land ruined by corruption and crawling with monstrous beasts, humanity’s last hope may rest with Emma—an outcast cursed as a Blighted One—and Koo, her loyal canine companion.

Survive a journey across an ominous, ever-changing world where dangerous forests can erupt in the wasteland. As Emma and Koo push deep…

Release Date

2026

[terse pelican]

That looks cool

[late vortex]

Gamefreak definatley cooked something

i dont have high hopes, but looks like Gamefreak is trying something diffrent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilAwYJaLSKQ

[forest glacier]

It'd be really funny if when Thor jingles his keys on stream some viewer has a dog that just goes nuts

[blissful imp]

This is the true board

[terse pelican]

Every time 'The Board' is mentioned, I just think of.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PUUHI3R-G3s

[wispy plover]

Chat we have to fill this channel with pictures of boards now.

[terse pelican]

Boardless and Soggy

[wispy plover]

We are boardless and soggy

[late compass]

CFO was different on 4/25 than from 12/25 @minor nymph@viscid kraken

From the CA SOS filings, public record in CA

[wanton stump]

I didnt even know Ashes had a board

Its not like they are publically traded right?

They dont really have market investors, at least from what I understood

This is super sad tho, I was so excited to see Ashes get finished so we could have a sandbox MMO that wasnt the hellhole of EVE...

[brisk sparrow]

None of us did

It was never mentioned

[wanton stump]

Like I thought the board was Steven and some other people for the corporate positions right?

[wheat sleet]

If it's registered as a corporation it has to have a board. For example, Thor's annual meeting with himself to declare himself the CEO

[split copper]

oh shoot, AoC is shutting down

that's wild, I didn't have that one pegged as failing to hit 1.0

[worthy ivy]

not shut down yet, but if it sells off as-is and continues it won't be a sandbox anymore - some vulture capitalists will grab it up and turn it into an on-rails wow clone

[wanton stump]

I just dont understand how venture capitalist got into it in the first place?

Maybe Steven just couldnt keep it running without some capital invetement?

[terse pelican]

Steven was into VC before he started the whole thing IIRC

[worthy ivy]

something about he had to sell too many shares to finance such-and-such and someone hostile takeovered?

standard capitalism shenanigans, nothing to see here

[meager rune]

he more than likely ran out of his own money, and needed help

he then failed to pay that debt back

so now, here we are

[wanton stump]

Man

Thats so sad

If its true at least

[terse pelican]

I'm glad I didn't buy it yet, But I'm also sad cause I was looking forward to trying it further down the line

[meager rune]

it is. this on public record

[terse pelican]

and I feel sorry for anyone that bought it at this point

[wanton stump]

I thought he was still financing it mostly by himself, but I guess that was naive

[meager rune]

that might not be the same document. but there a lady, Karen, that has filed a document on the 14th of Jan.

[worthy ivy]

there's an outside chance someone competent will buy it and run with the same vision... but I am pressing X to doubt this will happen

this is why humans can't have nice things

[terse pelican]

That's what he said himself, But turns out, Big fat Lie

[terse pelican]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doubt-press-x-3

[meager rune]

most of the things he stated in the kickstarter, all a lie

[wanton stump]

I mean it has to be right? Otherwise I dont understand how there could be a board that has power over him like that

[meager rune]

but there's a document, on file, that a debt collector has filed that Steve and INtrepid Studios have failed to pay back the debts

[worthy ivy]

don't feel sorry for me - spent £150 this time last year and got 1, maybe 2 thousand hours out of it - good value

feel sorry for those who bought it last week - they need your feels

[meager rune]

that lists the game, all of the assets, the website, everything that the game has, is technically, the lenders.

[wanton stump]

Is that why they put the game on steam so fast? To get liquidity fast to maybe put off the lenders a little while longer?

[terse pelican]

Yeah he used the game as ''collateral''

[meager rune]

More than likely. yes.

[worthy ivy]

I assume so

[wanton stump]

That would make sense

[meager rune]

but there's some people saying he didn't want to port to Steam

he wanted to stay on launcher

but idk how true that is

[wanton stump]

I did find it weird how they were putting the game on steam after doing their own launcher and early access by themselves for so long

[worthy ivy]

that was the idea originally - there's a few posts where he says "I don't want to release on Steam" explicitly

[meager rune]

this is the document btw.

[wanton stump]

It makes more sense if you see it as a desperate way to get liquidity

[meager rune]

two pages, but the main page is full of the main, big stuff

[worthy ivy]

when you need bank you need bank - and a risk down the line vs failure now, I'd choose the same

you have to roll the dice, otherwise you're stopped there and then

[wanton stump]

Thankfully I never bought it, I dont like buying stuff until they get 1.0 at least

[wanton stump]

No I get it entirely

[meager rune]

and, he has to figure out how tf to pay all that debt back, where i can't imagine how much this debt is

[terse pelican]

It's rare I buy pre 1.0 or Later, and this one of those cases I'm glad I didn't

[wanton stump]

It was most definetly the right decision to keep it alive

[meager rune]

but, more than likely, AOC will be shutting down, just to settle that debt.

[wanton stump]

I guess it just didnt work out

[quartz sonnet]

This is true. AoC arriving on Steam confused Thor and a lot of early backers because Steven/leadership stated they didn't want to put it on Steam.

[meager rune]

more than likely now... the bank probably owns Intrepid Studios, and AOC itself

[wanton stump]

I was always suspicious on the back of my mind that there was no way they were making any profit

And how were they able to fincance a whole MMO studio for so long

[meager rune]

yeah. i remember seeing a lot of "Why" when it was announced to come to Steam.

[wanton stump]

I was also kind of confused by it when I got it in my email

[meager rune]

the other thing i am questioning, as they probably set a margin for profit, as every business does, they didn't meet that margin, nor even close to the profits

[worthy ivy]

the only other early access fail for me was the OG EA: Banished

and even that turned out okay in the end, even though the dev bailed on it

otherwise I've had really good luck on EA - Factorio, Satisfactory, Prison Architect, Space Haven, I wanna say Timberborn and maybe a couple others

I got an eye for a good game - and ashes would have been good if it wasn't for all this corpo shite

[meager rune]

where they were more than likely... going to use that profit, to pay off the debts

and that didn't happen

[wanton stump]

I myself supported Planetary Anihilation in EA and as much as that game isnt great, I still had lots of fun with it

[terse pelican]

Dude, I bought that too, Great game conceptually

[worthy ivy]

me too

it's okay

[meager rune]

it's sad, it sucks. and i do hope all these people that did put money into this game, get their money back. especially the kickstarter people

[worthy ivy]

I like what they tried to do with it, it's just not quite there

one day I will get round to building a single core beast so I can Supreme Commander 1 it up

[terse pelican]

OG Version of PA, Before they pulled it and tossed out the ''Titans'' version

[worthy ivy]

oh, I got "titans"

is there a better version?

[wanton stump]

Titans was okay

[terse pelican]

Don't know if I'd say ''better'' Since I haven't touched it in months

[wanton stump]

Its just not a very good strategy game

Theres very little depth to most interactions

[terse pelican]

😐

[wanton stump]

Theres a lot of options sure, but they are all kind of... just the same thing?

Its hard to explain

[worthy ivy]

hmmm I has an idea
is the code for the original supreme commander available at all?

something something multicore refactor, something something profit

[wanton stump]

Cause conceptually the game should kick ass

[terse pelican]

I think it suffers the same issues as most RTS's does, Metas that make 'unique' playstyles non-viable

[wanton stump]

I think the main issue was the lack of assymetry

[worthy ivy]

the time cometh soon

[wanton stump]

But yeah PA was cool for a while

[terse pelican]

I played it on Gamepass ages ago, Just felt... like a Spinoff game

[wanton stump]

I was interested in Human Resources too but they didnt get it off the ground

[terse pelican]

So many games that sort of release, but somehow fail in one way or another

[worthy ivy]

I'm cool with that
Fallout Tactics was a banger and I don't consider that a "core" title
I loved all the fallout games, they're all classics
even Fallout 4 once you've modded it a bit

[wanton stump]

I was happy with PA when I got it, it just didnt have that much longevity, which isnt necessarily bad

[terse pelican]

Honestly, Fallout Tactics is my favourite Fallout Game, And I do agree, It's not a ''Core'' Title game

[wanton stump]

Some games can just be fun for a while and then not really work on repeated play

I think thats fine

[terse pelican]

Yeah, Some games struggle with the replayability, Still good games

That's how I feel with Skyrim, It's a good game, But I feel the Replayability for me, Is not there

[worthy ivy]

this is where mods come in
been modding my games since the 90s, so it's my first selling point ("are there going to be awesome mods for this later down the line?")

[wanton stump]

Very interesting take considering thats what most people think is its strength lol

[terse pelican]

That's why I said for me, As I know it's a very personal issue with the game

[worthy ivy]

nah I get it, unmodded skyrim does get a bit "same"y

[wanton stump]

I stopped playing after one quest made me so mad at the game and myself

[worthy ivy]

which quest?

[terse pelican]

Crimson Nirnroots?

[wanton stump]

No

I was a BIG fan of the dwemer

The lore around them fascinated me

[terse pelican]

I'm a fan of the Falmer, Or rather, Snow elves.

[wanton stump]

So I was really excited when I started helping this guy in winterholm try to find out what happened to them

I was super into that quest chain

And it was time gated too, you had to wait a while before he gave you the next step

But when I got to the last step and he made his experiment, surprise, he disappears

[terse pelican]

Oof

[wanton stump]

And you get a spell that lets you summon a ghost version of him

[wanton stump]

No like he literally poofs into light in front of you

[worthy ivy]

yeah, that's what happened to the Dwemer if I remember my lore right?

[wanton stump]

Cause he replicates what he thinks the Dwemer did before they vanished

Or at least a close enough situation

[terse pelican]

Ah, I never did that quest, I thought him going ''poof'' was the bug lol

[wanton stump]

So like, it makes sense

But I was so mad

[worthy ivy]

they vanished because they woke up from the dream that is reality or something?

there's definitely more lore on that somewhere

[wanton stump]

Cause I wanted him to explain stuff to me, not just poof

I was hoping to like, see Dwemer or something

Talk to them somehow

[terse pelican]

IIRC, there was a Dwemer in earlier ES Games

[wanton stump]

But nah he just poofs and you get a very bad summon spell

[terse pelican]

but yeah, Would be cool if you could see them in Skyrim

[worthy ivy]

Morrowind has a Dwemer iirc?

or was it oblivion

[terse pelican]

Morrowind, Ygrum Bagarn

[worthy ivy]

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn

yeah

morrowind

[wanton stump]

As someone who loved Dwemer ruins and exploring them and like talking to people to discover the lore of it, I was so upset with that quest

[terse pelican]

Morrowind was such a good game

[wanton stump]

I was so mad I just stopped playing and never got back

[terse pelican]

Yeah, Hearing about the quest makes it feel like they didn't want to write more story about them and just leave it at that

[wanton stump]

I was so hype for it too

I was so devastated

[terse pelican]

So, Unrelated, What's your most played game on steam?

Or the game with highest Playtime rather

[wanton stump]

Oh probably terraria

Either that or rimworld

[drowsy ermine]

Whole thing reminds me of 38 Studios and their MMO, Project Copernicus

[terse pelican]

Mine's, Star Wars: Jedi Academy

[wintry compass]

Looks like a dev or some devs got onto the live server and issued a server announcement. (Not my photo took it from X/Twitter)

https://x.com/savvvogames/status/2017867185020883286?s=46

Savvvo Games (@SavvvoGames)

Looks like some #AshesOfCreation devs snuck on the live servers to share one last message :(

“We truly did our best. Out of our control. You guys are incredible and keep on keeping on.”

W Devs.

X · Feb 1, 2026, 7:46 AM

[worthy ivy]

I got maybe 4000 hours or so in Factorio
2200 on Steam and then maybe as much again offline

[terse pelican]

oh and Warframe lol

[drowsy ermine]

My Game is Enshrouded followed by Stardew and PayDay 2 lol what a mix

[wanton stump]

Warframe seems really cool but Ive never tried it

[worthy ivy]

I got thousands of hours in EVE too, but no idea how many I played on and off for years

[terse pelican]

I need to buy Enshrouded

[drowsy ermine]

Super fun especially with friends

[wanton stump]

God I really wanted another Sandbox MMO that wasnt EVE

[terse pelican]

Honestly, It's a good game, But it IS a grindheavy game

[dry osprey]

Enshrouded is nice. Can only recommend! Even has waterfeatures now 😄

[worthy ivy]

I have won EVE

I am not going back

[wanton stump]

Yeah me too

I got in after the hype was already over so it was a really cool but depressing player experience

[terse pelican]

My last Social Sandbox would be Anarchy Online

[wanton stump]

I was hoping Ashes was gonna be able to fill that void...

Cause I love those kinds of games

Such a shame...

[drowsy ermine]

Can I go back in time and play vanilla WoW again?

[wanton stump]

Hot take but I never liked WoW

Not my thing

[terse pelican]

Wassn't a fan of Vanilla WoW, Or WoW overall.

[drowsy ermine]

That’s fair

How about Star Wars Galaxies?

[wintry compass]

I’ve always loved wow.. I just can’t afford the $25 / month sub they require

[wheat sleet]

I always thought WoW as a video game was weak, but the community and social interaction really made it shine.

[terse pelican]

Never tried it so I can't speak on it

[worthy ivy]

I was in Provi when Provibloc lost the 9UY Keepstar and the alliance imploded during the back end of the utter madness that was World War Bee 2

good times

[wintry compass]

I’ve been looking for a new mmo to play because that’s what I prefer… I was hoping Ashes was going to be that replacement…

[wanton stump]

That must have been a great time back then

[worthy ivy]

it was glorious

best multiplayer gaming I ever did do ever, including IRL tabletop stuff

now a former husk of what it once was - was already going that way when I left

probably still fun if you don't know how it used to be, but am technically now a bittervet so I can't go back 😆

[wanton stump]

Nah I tried it after all that stuff, its quite souless

Theres just no way to play unless you do the meta now

Cause everyone is camping with cloak

So new players get eaten alive in low sec

[worthy ivy]

world war bee 2 was basically a war that didn't need to happen between two blobs that didn't need to fight, but fighting is content, so fight they did

and it got huge - and while the blobs were doing their big war, all the smaller corps and alliances were settling old scores while the blob-umbrella was busy elsewhere

12 minutes and 37 seconds until fallout 76

[split copper]

two minutes to midnight

21 seconds to go

the final countdown

this game sucks when nobody else plays

[split herald]

.. saw Thor's Harkonnen and was reminded of Sting as Feyd

[terse pelican]

Sting did a great job tbh

[silent plank]

yayyyyyy iim so entertain!!!

[split copper]

This cat's name is not Vivo. This cat's name is Sir.

[feral violet]

The link to "Everyone I Don't Like is PirateSoftware" meme

[earnest cove]

I saw the news. Sad to see a game with potential died from bad management

I'm guessing there are troublemakers blaming Thor for promiting the initial alpha now

[thorny berry]

If pirate wants to check out this Hytale mod here's a link to the post. It is learning Japanese mod in Hytale https://www.reddit.com/r/hytale/s/LUtVN8pyrH

[late vortex]

Ragost is that you?

[thorny berry]

Doubt he will see it tho but at least I posted it for his please cause I know he loves to see people making learning languages in games and this is an awesome project

[earnest cove]

i just heard more of the updates

[rapid scarab]

feet

[wicked schooner]

Im kinda glad Im staying up to finish work
What in the bloody F$%#?!

[terse pelican]

I can't wait for the whole Ashes stuff to be over in a few months.

[light kayak]

well i guess im happy i didn't get back into Ashes when i got access to my computer after a couple months.

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-movie-shawn-wayans-but-wait-theres-more-theres-more-funny-gif-14263131

[terse pelican]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stop-stop-it-Nf2

[wicked schooner]

Alright you guys have a great day
Its 1:30 am at my place
nini

[rapid scarab]

gn air :3

[late vortex]

Kendall is amazing!

[terse pelican]

Honestly, I'm buying Shade Protocol on release cause the guy is down to earth, But also ruthlessly honest on big topics like this.

[late vortex]

if i could preorder it i would

[terse pelican]

I'm sure they'll open it up when they near Release

[late vortex]

I honestly hope Thor and other devs like Kendall could get together from time to time to talk in detail about the down and dirty of buisness stuff withing the gaming industry

really the first time im really intrested in this type of podcast

maybe not a weekly thing but maybe a quarterly podcast or something

i know he and Primogen did something like that a while ago

[worthy ivy]

Primogen 😆 he will forever now be "primogen" in my headcanon

[late vortex]

i dunno that's what my brain hears when ever his name is said

[loud sun]

someone send this to thor https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1qjjzp8/comment/o11gmao/?context=3
⁨```

I want to add some clarity here because I know how concerning headlines like this can be. Recently, 9 people out of a team of about 250 were impacted as part of some targeted team adjustments. This was not a large-scale layoff and not a reflection of the health or future of Ashes of Creation.

These are real people and friends, and this was not an easy decision. We’re doing what we can to support those affected. At the same time, development on Ashes is continuing forward and the team remains strong and fully engaged on the project.

I appreciate how much this community cares — it means a lot to me and to the team. I just ask that we keep the conversation respectful and grounded in facts. 🙏

he said this on reddit 10 days ago

[ocean agate]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[copper skiff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/RezDogsFX-fxnetworks-rezdogs-reservationdogs-MWlDiglj242CXDonUf

[tribal bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/plank-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-9936377

[tribal canyon]

wonder how long the TTS queue is now

[tribal bloom]

Yes

[silent plank]

chat vill vin today

[terse pelican]

It's not a Queue, It's a Conga-line

[shy sage]

Please go listen to "My best friend Plank" if you haven't done so in a while

[tribal bloom]

This is kind of impressive.

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-boy-going-down-down-down-down-down-down-gif-2013361460450916522

[umbral gazelle]

Im a bit confused here how can Steven blame the board of directors when he is the sole director on that board? (according to official california filings)

[tribal bloom]

He said "The board" not the board of directors. Assuming he wasn't lying, it is likely an advisory board. Best guess it consists of the people who have the liens against the company. Ie: Debt collectors

[tropic loom]

~38

[umbral gazelle]

That makes it kinda worse if he had sole power in the company then. Steven seems kinda like a dick, to my point of view it looks like he is just jumping ship instead of going down with the company. Thats just my view ofc

[exotic forge]

This makes sense

What happened? Why is Steven going to jump ship? Is the game already failing?

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-cash-ring-of-fire-gif-19768519

[tribal bloom]

Possibly. My main read on the situation is that the original sales pitch was legitimate, but Steven drastically underestimated how expensive game development is (especially MMOs). When it got really bad, he went to his old MLM friends for a bailout.

The only question at this point is why now? Are the debts due? Did the board of debt holders have demands he didn't want to agree to? Or some secret third thing. IDK

[exotic forge]

So it's mostly about money. I wonder if an entity is going to step in and bail the project out

[tribal bloom]

I'm going to bet not. The brand is so poisoned now that the product as a whole is basically worthless. It'll more likely be chopped into pieces, have the pieces sold, and then use that money to pay the debt collectors

[umbral gazelle]

He could go take responsibility, tell all his employees we screwed up our vision for the game isnt possible anymore the board is planning on mass layoffs go find new jobs. And then just open source the game and take on the debts himself. Will he go bankrupt? yes def but that would be the socially responsible thing to do

[tribal bloom]

And then just open source the game and take on the debts himself
Legally, not likely an option. Especially if you have liens against your company with the assets as collateral. If you have a lien against your car, you can't just give your car to a homeless man because its socially responsible and receive a get-out-of-debt-free card.

[exotic forge]

Just wondering, other than goodwill, what is the point of open sourcing the game?

[subtle gate]

I knew Thor was gonna cover what he put in the news post but I didn't think he'd do it for the entire stream

[lament sun]

Steven is not the owner of his IP anymore

[umbral gazelle]

if you had a vision for the game why would you let it die when the community could finish it

[exotic forge]

It depends on what happened. If there was an ugly fallout like this, probably not

[lament sun]

for the owner of the IP ? it could be made as a choice instead of losing it

but there are really few examples of it being done good

[lament sun]

you haven't seen anything yet man

this is literally a bomb. Tomorrow will be more of the same

[tribal bloom]

He really couldn't. Once you have a lien against something, you can't sell or give away the thing that has a lien against it. If you try, the lien-holder can go "nope' and force a sale for money to cover their debt

[lament sun]

this could only change if Shade manages to print out the pants video in less than 24h

[lament sun]

ye ye i didnt mean AoC specifically

there are a few examples of studio/devs going open source

steven is clapped either way

[tribal bloom]

Ahh, fair. Even in other circumstances, it's not easy to "do the right thing"and open source things. Even without liens, you still have debts you have to pay. If you give stuff away, even if it's for good reason, the bankruptcy courts get REALLY upset about it since those assets could have been used to pay off your debts

[lament sun]

also @tribal bloom there's the worst option of the table that the 3 guy of them simply played a game of dumb, grabbed the bag and run to split it togheter

[tribal bloom]

Yeah, that's possible. I still think he was just desperate to keep the game afloat and made a devils bargin

[lament sun]

we don't really know as of know their personal ties

except for the guy,

not karen, the other one. He started finance with AoC pretty early in the project

[tribal bloom]

/nods. There's a lot of questions still unanswered. We can guess but we don't know

[lament sun]

as for what's been gathered he funded 2,205 million dollars to intrepid

and in return he owns between 10-15% shares of the studio

[exotic forge]

If there's no legal or monetary incidents, I understand looking into open sourcing your project. I just can't imagine seeing this whole mess of a situation unfold and people suggesting "Why doesn't he open source it?"

That's the last thing on his mind probably

[tribal bloom]

Yeah... I used to be more enamored about open source, but it increasingly feels like companies benefiting from free labor. Maybe not for games, but for a lot of other projects that form the backbone of tech these days

[umbral gazelle]

of cause companies are gonna benifit from opensource because everyone benifits from it

pretty much the entire world runs on open source linux servers

[exotic forge]

Just my take. I'm not Steven and I wouldn't have borrowed money from MLM companies to keep my project going either so maybe he does things differently

[tribal bloom]

Supposedly, Steven's prior career was in MLMs so he wouldn't have the same attitude towards them a sane person would. I haven't seen the details on that though, so I don't know how involved he was.

[pseudo girder]

hey i just got back to stream, who is the guest on the stream ?

[tribal bloom]

One of the devs of Shade Protocol. He has nothing to do with the AoC situation other than being in the same industry. He's just VERY upset at the situation

[pseudo girder]

ahh thank ya!

[umbral moat]

@minor nymph Here is CoH Homecoming's February Finances Post: https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/62838-february-2026-donations-finances/

[shy tangle]

Just going to drop this here: "Scam of Ashes" song: https://www.mureka.ai/de/song-detail/120115580502019

[umbral moat]

Also, because one needs to login to see the actual Homecoming donation page, this is what it says right now:

[civic vector]

I want to add - this is incorrect - #answered-tts message

DECA left and now it's back under Cryptic, and Cryptic left Embracer and now is under it's own company handle, and that is why Jack Emmett is back (and there's contention there)

[umbral moat]

Yes, it is both games plus the expansion, all free.

[jolly sky]

Also that same Dev by his own words has experience running and handling companies, including among the Fortune 500. He has the experience to talk about the more intricate details about businesses and whats been going on

[earnest cove]

the stream just ended. If youtube doesn't archive 13 hours, is there a vod anywhere else?

[jolly sky]

Nope

[golden mirage]

Did thor just do an entire stream talking about AoC? I was here for the first few hours, then caught the last hour.

[jolly sky]

Also lmao crazy that is just ended, I had to disappear for a DnD game

[umbral moat]

Yeah, basically.

[earnest cove]

oh pain i was asleep when it all went down

since i tuned in for the last hour i guess technically i didn't miss too much

[jolly sky]

The VoD will be up on Twitch for 3 months so, that'll be the only way to watch it in its fullest

[lament sun]

wasn't 2 months ?

no clue really, i generally dont watch on twitch for VoD either

i just remember 2 months i don't know why i know that

could be wrong as well

[jolly sky]

IIRC at the last day of the 2nd month, it's auto deleted

[earnest cove]

ah that's good then because i intend to check it out now

[jolly sky]

So yea while not up for 3 full months, as soon as the 3rd month starts it's gone

[lament sun]

i'm just having flashbacks for what happened last year

i wish the ban hammer keeps resting this time around

ok ty dan

[river cargo]

wait did thor delete the vod?

that was such a good stream

[earnest cove]

youtube can only upload 12 hours, and he went for 13

[river cargo]

i hope he restores it because, even if it was ranting, there was alot of great contributions

[jolly sky]

I'm glad that someone clipped the "I'm Sorry" part. 'Cause we know some people are going to be all like "hAvE yOu aPoLoGiSeD fOr sHiLlInG tHiS gAmE???" (already seen plenty of those today, and those people need to look up the Definition of what the word "Shill" means)

But you can just point them at that clip. If they're not happy with it, then there's no helping them

[river cargo]

oh so just the last hour is lost

[earnest cove]

so the youtube vod only records the first 12 hours

[blissful imp]

ye

[earnest cove]

i was already fully expecting that reaction. first thing that crossed my mind because i've seen this circus enough

[golden mirage]

essentially, yes. Youtube stops the saved stream around 11:55. If the stream is really long sometimes YT will glitch and not save the whole thing.

[wheat sleet]

They'll still say it, and they won't care about a response

[jolly sky]

Thor has done neither of these actions, so they'd be in dire need of learning what it actually means.

[earnest cove]

someone kept bringing up 'nate' too

[river cargo]

well, shilling isn't really that bad if it's not paid shilling

[jolly sky]

I think you mean Narc, but yea

[river cargo]

and thor will never be paid by intrepid anyways lol

Narc was the biggest streamer/creator for ashes prior to thor blowing up, right?

I guess his fans are feeling vindicated now

[earnest cove]

I wasn't sure if Narc was the guy who said the Ashes was a scam

[jolly sky]

It was

[earnest cove]

Aah so it's him

[river cargo]

He used to be the biggest creator for the game

[blissful imp]

i went to bed at 7 am. Sounds like the stream got bad with losers coming in? or was it the same when i was there?

Also this is ironic

[carmine sierra]

Imagine talking positively about something while it was doing well if it doesn't do well forever

Couldn't be me

[jolly sky]

And some people could not understand that while Narc may have been right about his opinions about the direction Ashes was headed from his perspective, and here's a fundamental avoidable truth,

He still lied about the desert biome being unfinished

He literally only aimed his camera at the border of the world and the World Boundry and claimed it was "unfinished" and the barren landscape was the so called "unfinished desert"

It would be like going out of bounds in a game and claiming that the area was not finished

[carmine sierra]

Also on that note
It's possible for something to have problems, and someone still lies about it to make it sound even worse

[jolly sky]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ap6wcjRyi8HoA

[earnest cove]

i guess it proves that critical thinking is at all time low for people to not grasp this at all

[lament sun]

eh it will be really bad in the upcoming days

[jolly sky]

Will say though, it was nice to have Kendall on stream for Thor to bounce thoughts off of, especially considering Kendalls experience in running companies

[subtle gate]

I try to be one of those critical thinkers but I guarantee I missed a bit here and there and I presume it's the same for everyone

[lament sun]

it's scary

[earnest cove]

Who's Kendall?

[lament sun]

turns out people knew about steven before his time in ArcheAge

[coarse python]

shade protocol dev iirc

[lament sun]

the dev of one of the indies in Indiecember

ye, he is correct ☝️

[earnest cove]

Oooooh the one with the super cool world-cutting metroidvania!

yeah! I remember that one

it looks very promising

[earnest cove]

At least we try. That's already better than some people trying to defend a female streamer who beat up her dog live in front of her audience

[lament sun]

or the other one cosplaying raiden

[subtle gate]

always careful not to call someone else out for what I'm doing without also recognizing my part in it

[jolly sky]

Developer of Shade Protocol, and from his own words has lots of experience being in important and higher levels of companies, so he has more indepth knowledge on the things and documents that Thor showed on stream to weigh in on.

[earnest cove]

i'd like to hear what he has to say if there's a rough timestamp

[jolly sky]

Here's the timestamp of Kendall joining the call, but also Thor and Khronos were talking for a fair while before Kendall joined too.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2686061542?t=8h9m58s

[earnest cove]

oooh thanks

[jolly sky]

Kendall offered a LOT of insight into the situation

[lament sun]

keep in mind he's been on call for A LOT of time

[earnest cove]

at least the beginning

i'm hearing him describe the burn rate

[quartz sonnet]

Kendall was a great person to have on, I hope he's a random appearance in the future

[lament sun]

seems steven was himself in a MLM, called Invigaron

which is stupidly close to what the new MLM grifter Karen was accused and her brother got sanctioned for

also i found zafiroth reddit alt account

https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1qsldun/ashes_of_creation_has_just_been_canceled_all/o2xnqms/

[earnest cove]

zafiroth?

[lament sun]

i think i misspelled it

[jolly sky]

Yep back in 2015. It seems Stephen knew multiple people from Venna (the other MLM), and now the legal documents that were shown on stream and and are official and searchable show that pretty much the entire company of Intrepid is now owned by Karen Boreyko;

[earnest cove]

i find it funny that the name is actually 'karen'

[worthy ivy]

I am happy Thor alerted me to Ashes

I got maybe a couple thousand hours of old-school social sandbox out of it - pretty sweet time, good value for what I paid

(and if it gets bought "as is" maybe some investor sees the selling point and runs with the vision? I doubt very much, but we might win the lottery)

[lament sun]

sometimes the jokes write themselves

[lament sun]

this is all to be determined eventually by a judge

[worthy ivy]

anyone blaming a streamer because they jumped into an EA alpha MMO is an idiot

[jolly sky]

The educated guesstimate is that it will just be divided up and sold piecemeal

[worthy ivy]

ik

[jolly sky]

'Cause that Server Worker tech is actually pretty impressive

[lament sun]

it will boil down to who owns what

[worthy ivy]

but I am huffing on the Copium
leave me be

[lament sun]

since the leans are from 2 different entities

and in what percentage

[earnest cove]

kendall's insights are really good (still listening)

[jolly sky]

Oh he was on stream for hours, you'll be listening for a while

[loud sun]

and xango mangosteen which has some funny ancient internet history involved in it. There was also site on mlm top earners and he was ranked number 5/6th but that has gone defunct it claimed that he earned 350k from mlm, so he wasnt exactly small fish in mlm world.

note claimed as its information that cant be verified at all anymore

[earnest cove]

what somebody was harassed until they killed themselves?!?!?!

and the aoc mods did nothing about it?!?!?!

[jolly sky]

That's unfortunately an unproven claim for the time being.

[earnest cove]

oh okay so it's not confirmed

yeah studio for mighty number 9 died too

so very sad another wasted potential

[jolly sky]

Considering the behaviour of certain users that we've seen some from some of the global chat (and gone unpunished), it's not outside of the realms of possibility, but yea not confirmed.

[forest glacier]

Dune is so fun for me but holy shit dude, this is approaching AoC levels of bad…

[earnest cove]

the level of incompetence running this company, it's almost malicious

(listening to the analysis)

[coarse python]

try "MrStealYoGurt" /hj

[forest glacier]

That’s pretty funny… but I had my mind made up on a name and now I’m choosing to be upset. My spaghetti is upsetti and there’s nothing you can do about it 🤣

[river cargo]

major ashes news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ewbHYWL7s

Insider associated with scam investigator youtuber kira states the board is real, the employees aren't being paid, and on the 29th, the game was still continuing by outsourcing to the Philippines, however the following day the studio was shut down

[wheat sleet]

Oof outsorcing to sweatshop thry can pay pennies on the dollar. Very Karen scam artist behavior.

[river cargo]

Seems like there may actually be a lawsuit from steven towards the new board

[earnest cove]

This smells like a scam but not in the way narc thought initially

a different level 10 year kind of scam

i'm not sure when aoc was started

I listened to the point where someone had to leave to call his grandma

and i tihnk that's enough for me for now. What a trainwreck this company is