streamchat

[exotic forge]

I didn't check but damn

[muted robin]

In fairness I think putting "it's so over" in every single thumbnail and title is just standard drama sloptuber procedure but it is still really sad lol

[exotic forge]

I gotta admit that clip was pretty funny but Thor's history with Blizzard is a very interesting fact and a part of his life so he's got the right to mention it especially since a lot of his audience is new

[muted robin]

I just feel like it's stupid as a gotcha bc you could look at thor's page for a single second and see that his streams average 8+ hours on the short end yknow

Like, anything is funny/"cringe" when you cherrypick a few short moments out of hours of footage + he's a streamer and a gaming stremer at that so it's...relevant?

Ppl just turn their brains off any time thor comes off as a topic, it ought to be studied as a mass hysteria phenomenon

[carmine sierra]

I've said it before
It's easy to build a narrative when you have thousands of hours of footage and ignore everything that doesn't support your point
By that metric, I never shut the hell up about being in the military, because I've told funny boot camp stories to my friends sometimes

[river cargo]

People rag about how that clip proves nepotism....as if the first second generation member of a company couldn't be hired by their merits as a game dev prior, especially when thor has been so public about his freelance and second life employment

But no, the only reason is nepotism

[distant rapids]

If two positive things came out of this, it's the fact that thor now has a "non-seasonal" fanbase that aren't the type of person to leave just because of "allegations" without merit, which is extremely valuable, and on a personal level i have identified sometimes I would be tempted to act/think like these haters towards other random internet personalities. Which I then address in my thoughts and throw out, because I am now going to give people more benefit of the doubt unless i see REAL evidence

For example, i have beef with linus (linustechtips), but when i am tempted to write "oh so like linus, that (insert disparaging thing here) on a non-directly relevant video, I would think of these foamers and. Erase my comment.

[river cargo]

The difference between Linus and Thor is that Linus did actually screw over Billet Labs

And he did apologise

Meanwhile, these people have accused thor of every scam and crime under the sun

[distant rapids]

Aye, there are other reasons i have beef with linus too, but yeah. They like making stuff up and unfortunately, the Dumb Among Us eat it up like particularly bad food.

[river cargo]

It's gotten to the point where thor has a legitimate legal case against them

[distant rapids]

Oh, it reached that place a while ago. However, a lawsuit like that is hard to win because he's a public figure, they are not, so he would have to prove that they don't believe what they are saying is actually true.

But also, suing them over it would give them "ammo". Such is the way of the internet karen.

[hasty grail]

damned if you do, damned if you dont

at this point, Thor's best play is to ignore it

[jolly sky]

And also that 90% of him mentioning Blizzard was someone literally asking him about it (before the nonsense started rolling in)

As it turns out you can do a lot when taking things out of context

[muted robin]

also unlike the average streamer or youtuber thor is actually running a business paying mods and running an animal sanctuary so it's not like he's just sitting on money he could throw into a lawsuit

if it were possible for him to do so with no financial repercussions it'd be sick if he did though, this has been a good year for seeing low quality streamers cry on stream over how hard it is facing legal consequences for their actions

i doubt he would even if he had a case tho bc Thor is just chill and generally takes the path of least conflict from the way he just stopped responding to any of the accusations

[subtle gate]

this might be smart might be dumb but youtube side Thor with Twitch side Chat

[kindred sedge]

I treid to sneak in a TTS with channel points and it worked

There is a debt of channel points now

ok nvm he got it just before it threw us to ferrets

He said and I quote "get out"

[subtle gate]

yes I smell me too time to shower

[sand crown]

Timestamps are done!

[rapid scarab]

isnt it very delayed?

[subtle gate]

not sure how delayed but yea there is definitly a delay

[golden mirage]

Usually the delay is around 5-10 seconds but I've seen it be almost a minute.

[wheat sleet]

YT is usually delayed by 10-20 seconds for me. Oddly, PC Twitch has a ~5 second delay but mobile is maybe 1-2 on the same connection, no matter what browser.

[forest glacier]

This is literally how Ive run my Twitch for over a year now. Its not cross platform but I could easily switch tabs to youtube stream and leave the chat window right where it is. Chatterino has Always-On-Top so you can interact with the browser and it stays visible.

(I dont use the Chatterino web extension because its not actually embedding anything into the browser page and I cant see my points/polls/votes/pins)

[forest glacier]

and for those who enjoy things slotting together perfectly, this is how I do Stream and Discord 😛

[late bane]

Jesus, points for days lol

[forest glacier]

I'd have almost 3 mil if I didn't spend over a mil on polls I have a budget tho; I count this as 112 extra poll votes lol

we love a good vote early vote often

[late bane]

I bet everything on a pole once lol unfortunately it was the one Ham inverted but I was picking up food so I didn't read it correctly lol

[forest glacier]

I think I remember that.... 100% skill issue NGL

[late bane]

Multitasking lol didn't see the trick on mobile XD

[forest glacier]

I have won at least 2 max bet gambas on Thor's channel. 2 out of 3 max bet gambas, after losing the max bet I stopped for a while XD

It was the Noita run gambas

[blissful imp]

this is under this tweet https://fxtwitter.com/Simon_Hypixel/status/2001766277182882153

Simon (@Simon_Hypixel)

We are having way too much fun working on Hytale! I don’t even know what’s going on with creative tools anymore I just let Ktar go crazy 😅

Quoting Hytale (@Hytale)
︀
We've just added a fun feature to our creative tools: model importing! 🔧
︀︀Can't wait to see all the crazy builds you do with it! #Hytale

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FxTwitter · Dec 18, 2025, 9:27 PM

[subtle gate]

I have showered and now don't yarrstinky nearly as much

[gray fable]

https://tenor.com/view/ni-no-kuni-gif-11501521

[dusky grove]

gosh, ni no kuni is such an underrated franchise

[subtle gate]

the original Terran Theme has a point where I tire of hearing on repeat 🤔

[golden mirage]

Too late, you have already become one with the yarrstinky.

[subtle gate]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VRXi7ytV290?si=6UhEFiSjo10oEdmO

[ocean agate]

send him to bed

[wheat sleet]

He can quit anytime

[wicked schooner]

What the hell

Hes still streaming?

[wheat sleet]

Almost 20 hours

[wicked schooner]

Some kind of stream-athon or something?

[wheat sleet]

Patchitus. It's incurable.

[hard jackal]

Nope, just having fun.

[ocean agate]

https://www.twitch.tv/khronosvii/clip/FriendlyJazzyTriangleSoBayed-AoM-gQUYPLMQOrna

[exotic forge]

I would use my contacts and relationships to get my foot in the door are you kidding me? In today's economy?

[proud depot]

He actually triggered my phone to play despacito on youtube music, but it played this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-irSe02QF7w

[radiant escarp]

I wish the second game had a bigger budget

the story is great, the characters are fun, but it feels like it was held back content wise

[river pivot]

The dichotomy of chat

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2001912750789083152

Kenney (@KenneyNL)

Pretty disappointed in both @humble and especially in @GirlsWhoCode. Please teach girls how to code, don't push them into generative AI. That won't build their skills. Prioritize foundational programming skills and awaken their interest. "Tired of long days writing code"???

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FixupX · Dec 19, 2025, 7:09 AM

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/complete-lovable-and-vibe-coding-bundle-software?srsltid=AfmBOopqslc3EuYtm07xLUjnQUqSkH-i96qoNvbxMN-EbJ1XdLo7652S

this thing is real and I am Calculating the "Value" of it

They say this bundles MRSP total value is $3,862.62

For those who aren't familiar what "vibe coding" is a Flavorful way of saying "Coded with AI" to Obscure what is going on

[compact shuttle]

So shitcodding?

[stoic zealot]

The worst part is that this entire bundle is being advertised towards women trying to get them to learn how to "Code"

[compact shuttle]

Cuz women need AI to be able to code /s

Yeah i dunno what they were cooking with that one

[stoic zealot]

This is being sponsored by GirlsWhoCode, A group that is supposed to be encouraging women, promote, and Celebrating them in the space of coding and making video game. . .

[urban venture]

so many of those items are at $99.99 MSRP

for courses on how to vibe code. plural, multiple courses

[worthy ivy]

accept everything, one shot only, no planning allowed, no thinking allowed

there you go - now you can vibecode

[lapis flame]

<@&362005405901127710> dodgy stuff

[brittle rune]

[civic vector]

I wonder if Girls Who Code offered to sponsor a coding bundle and Humble decided to screw them over with it being a PISS coding bundle rather than an actual "Introduction to coding" bundle like they expected

I've heard from some friends that Humble has been going downhill

[urban venture]

yeah, im not too clear on the specifics but I know they've been downsizing and had fired a bunch of people, or something to that effect

as for the whole picture idk

[stoic zealot]

they are trying to say this bundle has a MRSP total value is $3,862.62

but you can get it less for 25 bucks . . .

This is the same type of tactics used by those scammers that you primarily see in videos where the dude rented out a Lamborghini for the background and he's like telling you to buy his book that is 100 bucks that will "most Definitely" Make you as "rich" as him

[civic vector]

Oh that's a different one Creeper

[stoic zealot]

ah

[civic vector]

I'm talking about Humble's "Bait and Switch" style which, due to certain things I can't get into specifics but "It has happened before, it's going to happen again" was what my friend said

[stoic zealot]

ah

[civic vector]

Yeah, and lets put it this way, that charity was ... not pleased with what books Humble used in that one
Oh and then it was done where Humble mysteriously changed settings so that charities get basically zero from these bundles

[urban venture]

:C

thats so scummy

[civic vector]

Just going to that one specifically, how many people adjust donations?

[rapid scarab]

humble got bought and has been going downhill since then

[civic vector]

But yeah, so you're basically giving the "publisher" a lot of money, Humble has a preset minimum and the charity is getting pittance from this

And of course, with the bait and switch they've pulled on a charity that a friend is on the board with ... it's why I don't recommend or buy anything from them anymore

[rapid scarab]

yeah, they also cut a lot of creators that had partnership with them wituout a warning

links just stopped working one day

[civic vector]

Yup, I try to tell people to quit using them

[rapid scarab]

they dont even have good bundles anymore

[civic vector]

They did recently with a Star Trek comics one, but since I don't buy off them anymore, I didn't get it

[stoic zealot]

@urban ventureyou can try telling him now

[urban venture]

he responding

[hasty grail]

and the rabbit hole appears...

time to go deeper

[stoic zealot]

Well they no longer post on their Twitter and it's been like that for over a year, they post heavy ai support on their blue sky . . .

this feels honestly just feels incredibly insulting to women

[urban venture]

yep...

[stoic zealot]

sigh

this . . .is sad

[golden latch]

Remember reject and help others reject ai to stop this nonsense

[compact shuttle]

Yeah after IGN and forbes missinfo on new metroid. I learned my lesson to not trust game journos. Like at all

[urban venture]

The thing is, the criticism is correct. Whether or not gaming journalists are trustworthy sources, just the fact that Larian and Sanfall used genAI to make temporary assets or ideate(why any creative would want to outsource this is beyond me). It still uses the plagiarized datasets used by these models. It still dulls a skill. Whether or not the final product has any of it left over isn't the whole of the issue.

This is a means to sell people on the tech in a way to make it seem more pallettable. But it aint.

[compact shuttle]

Are you sure its not the same bs that happened to E33?

Because E33 used store assets

[carmine sierra]

Using AI for the initial concepting stage is no different than Googling a bunch of external references and putting together a moodboard, and from what was said in both cases they did it alongside that as well
The resulting concept art itself is all human created

[compact shuttle]

and those dont say if they AI or not

ANd now everyone scream about E33 AI stuff out the context on bluesky

[urban venture]

No? Ideation involves specific research, iteration and action done with regards to conceptualizing all of that with your art. Sometimes rough. One of the funnest parts of major projects

Why dull that

[carmine sierra]

And that is often done with moodboards, using external references and concepts

[urban venture]

So do that and dont use the plagiarism machine

[carmine sierra]

[urban venture]

Do you not understand the moral failing of how those datasets were formed and why outrage is so high?

[carmine sierra]

I understand it
But I'm not faulting the people using a tool for how the tool was made
The same as I don't fault you for most likely owning a car and electronics

[urban venture]

The CEO was talking about it

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, the CEO of Sandfall said basically the same thing that Larian was getting slammed for
They used a bit of AI, alongside other means, in both the initial concepting stage prior to any finalized concept art, and for some placeholder assets that were filtered out as the finalized assets were made

[urban venture]

A creative using these tools that plagiarizes the work of others is a moral failing on said creatives and the people who developed the tool, together

[carmine sierra]

If you say so

[compact shuttle]

Yeah i am reding what he said.

Using AI to clean crackling from voice recording. Or to COMPRESS textures is not "GEN AI"

Also Whiteboxxing

Using AI to move literally stick figures.

No TExture, No skeleton, No mesh

Just stick figures

[urban venture]

From the Bloomberg article

Under Vincke, Larian has been pushing hard on generative AI, although the CEO says the technology hasn’t led to big gains in efficiency. He says there won’t be any AI-generated content in Divinity — “everything is human actors; we’re writing everything ourselves” — but the creators often use AI tools to explore ideas, flesh out PowerPoint presentations, develop concept art and write placeholder text.

[carmine sierra]

The CEO clarified that they're not "pushing" it, they're just not restricting its use

[compact shuttle]

Yeah. I am reading actual transcript

[urban venture]

Can you link?

[carmine sierra]

It's purely an at-will thing, if the employees want to do so, as long as it doesn't harm the end result of what they make

[urban venture]

And its also an at-will thing for me to no longer support them

[carmine sierra]

Cool

[compact shuttle]

https://x.com/LarAtLarian/status/2001011042642505833

Swen Vincke @where? (@LarAtLarian)

Holy fuck guys we’re not "pushing hard" for or replacing concept artists with AI.

We have a team of 72 artists of which 23 are concept artists and we are hiring more. The art they create is original and I’m very proud of what they do.

I was asked explicitly about concept art

X · Dec 16, 2025, 7:26 PM

[carmine sierra]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out

[urban venture]

Lets let the market dictate how this works out

[urban venture]

No need to be rude

[compact shuttle]

Oi dont be hostile here

[urban venture]

Doing it for concept art is rly bad tho

[compact shuttle]

Its stick figures moving

[carmine sierra]

Not sure how to interpret your "moral failing" comments, then

[urban venture]

Why use what the machine generates when you could extract original thoughts from your team

[urban venture]

Not directed at you, thats how

[carmine sierra]

Or hey, do both, if it helps

[urban venture]

And explaining a failing of morals is not rude at its core

[carmine sierra]

Explaining a "failing of morals" about something that someone else either does or is alright with is absolutely an insult at them

[urban venture]

They generated... stick figures?

[compact shuttle]

They use white boxing. Its refernce for artist. So artist know what models do. What lighting do. What background do.

Figures move. Model gamkers watch what writter want

and go it

Same with backround artist

They make light and background

for the scene reference they saw

[urban venture]

I mean, this all reads as an insult to me and other artists who are outraged. But we dont make pointed comments towards specific people for that

You can be civil and object to the actions of others

[compact shuttle]

Not all people have Inside head world or inside voice

Some people need direct reference

So you do "white box"

[urban venture]

Isnt that something that doesnt use AI tho? Thats pretty basic

[compact shuttle]

They use AI to make stick figures move smooth

[urban venture]

So are we really discussing LLM usage here

[compact shuttle]

human like

[urban venture]

I mean you can animate that yourself and not lose your sharp skills

[carmine sierra]

Not having the goalposts at the same point as you is an insult?

[compact shuttle]

Otherwise you would spend half a year animating stick figures

[urban venture]

Thats a huge crux of the anger here is the dulling of skillsets

[urban venture]

Done with you

[carmine sierra]

My dude, I think you're vastly overestimating how far into the production process this goes

We're talking about pre-concepting

[carmine sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/wackaflocka-gif-7684829

[urban venture]

Dont care, it all uses datasets I object to existing

[forest glacier]

Crediting that 100 on reaching the sub goal, when this was posted yesterday SMH lul
#streamchat message

[carmine sierra]

Then take it up with the people making the data models, and the legislators who should be overseeing it

I'll be right there alongside you for that one

[compact shuttle]

I grew up on Newgrounds. I animated sticks. And its really time consuming.

And if you just want to make reference for REAL DEAL. Its k if you use that to smooth reference

Game journos however ragebaited(you, me, other people)
With out the context stuff

Like animating anything is not easy

and time consuming

even if its just sticks

If they used it for actual mesh, model, texture art

then it would be bad

and i would put them on blast too

[carmine sierra]

The bottom line of it is
People have different levels of acceptability for the use of generative AI
Someone else having that line in a different spot isn't a "moral failing", it's a difference of opinion
There's a problem with the datasets and the firms running the major models, yes, but that's not a problem with the end user, and it's not something they're going to be able to solve in any way
If you have your goalpost for what's acceptable set shorter than the company making something, cool, don't buy their stuff
But stop grandstanding about it

[compact shuttle]

My AI stand. Dont steal shit

If you used AI asste from game engine store. Its not your fault

Its Game ENgine maker fault

[carmine sierra]

I agree, on that note
It's why Arc Raiders does it better in my opinion, by having an internal model on data they paid actors to make, rather than just pulling from ChatGPT or something

[compact shuttle]

For not moderating their stuff

[carmine sierra]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWPoPH8Wb0fOve1LA4qPfh1tdcd_kJQ8x

A good clip about it recently

[blissful imp]

this article was literal misinformation and out of context. the full transcript was posted and fixes everything.

[urban venture]

yeah I was never linked that despite asking

[wintry pond]

if you used AI in ANY part of the process, disclose it and let the consumers judge it

[compact shuttle]

They also did not hire your typical VA. They Hired professionals that make Voice Packs.

Your Microsoft sam, Cortana, Siri, Alexa and James

And those people work on incentives. Aka when you use their thing, they get cut.

Main reason why bluesky trying to doxx them failed and everyone doing so got nuked. Those people got actual lawyers and pay for internet cleaning(They basically deleted from internet)

[urban venture]

yep. like I said earlier, let the market decide whether this is good for us or not

[blissful imp]

its a rough transcript that jason put out on bluesky.

was scrolling the stuff i missed. there was quite the discussion

[subtle gate]

mmm bacon

[compact shuttle]

@carmine sierra Like if i name them in a row. Discord will ban me. And i even maybe gonna lose my gmail type of cleaning

[carmine sierra]

The particular voice actors they hired is irrelevant to me, honestly

[urban venture]

I mean this confirms what I already knew:

• using genAI to ideate
• chatgpt gibberish instead of basic lorem ipsum
• magada pointed out the whiteboxing, even that is dubious

all using datasets that scraped the internet illegally and nothing was ever done about it on a meaningful level

[carmine sierra]

My point was just about the internal model with paid-for data

[compact shuttle]

Yup. Basically used for reference

[wintry pond]

its a new tool they are experimenting and trying to use

[urban venture]

we really just glossing over the dataset issue every time I bring it up?

[carmine sierra]

Yes, because the dataset isn't their fault

[urban venture]

one of the biggest legal issues of our time?

it is for using it yes

[carmine sierra]

The same reason why cobalt mines aren't your fault for owning a car

[urban venture]

don't use it, use your brain and other tools like we've always done

reject the shit they feed you

[carmine sierra]

Use your legs or a bike like we've always done

[compact shuttle]

If using reference is stealing. Then Disney owns Half of the ART on internet

[urban venture]

false equivalency

[carmine sierra]

Not really

[blissful imp]

i'm just sitting here now waiting on a mod to show up and stop this from going any further.

[urban venture]

it is, driving is a skill

[carmine sierra]

Again, you just have a different goalpost

[urban venture]

these tools dull skills. is driving or owning a car plagiarizing something? or is it built entirely off of plagiarized ideas and parts??

[carmine sierra]

My point was about harm done, not specifically plagarism

[compact shuttle]

@urban venture @carmine sierra Lets jsut say you agree to dissagree

[carmine sierra]

Eh

[subtle gate]

let the market decide what's shit and what's good

[urban venture]

fair. I spoke my piece

[carmine sierra]

Fine then

[wintry pond]

everyone has different lines for everything, you said yours, now stop

[dusky grove]

That whiteboxing thing? Isn't that just like... using math? Set coordinates for the animation, computer smooths it out with math?

[compact shuttle]

Yup

Basically you get stick scene

sticks do stuff

[dusky grove]

Then that's not genAI, right?

[compact shuttle]

You usually smooth it yourself over course of weeks

[carmine sierra]

It's more along the lines of machine learning, I think

[compact shuttle]

Computer just do it for you

[carmine sierra]

At least, the model being used to do it

(There does need to be a bigger distinction between machine learning and generative AI in discussions like this)

[dusky grove]

Agreed

Donut went off on a tangent because of it

[compact shuttle]

Every NPC in videogames ever is Machine Learning

[carmine sierra]

Not really

[compact shuttle]

nowadays i mean

[forest glacier]

I feel like that’s probably false

[carmine sierra]

Machine learning implies that it can modify its own dataset based on new information

Most video game NPC's are just static algorithms

[blissful imp]

no. GenAI is going to a GenAI model and having it literally create an art drawing or animation.

[carmine sierra]

There's a difference betwen an if-then-else algorithm and machine learning algorithms

[wintry pond]

I think what they mean is, people call it AI, while its machine learning most of the time

[carmine sierra]

All GenAI is machine learning, but not all machine learning is GenAI

Squares and rectangles, etc

[wintry pond]

yes and for a long time many people were and still are saying npcs are AI run

[carmine sierra]

That was with a different definition of AI, basically

[dusky grove]

I think its time for a linguistic shift

[compact shuttle]

My onipion about AI.
Tools AI: will be used everywhere eventually.(does nto matter that i dont realy like it. Har-Har i am old person)

GenAI: will burst and take piece of economy with it

Military use AI: will make tons of money

[wintry pond]

gool luck with that

[urban venture]

Which in that transcript, the CEO said their concept artists do

[jolly sky]

Yea, language and naming conventions really do muddy the waters of discussion, especially when just over text, where almost all tone is lost

[urban venture]

Didnt swen even mention chatgpt in that transcript for placeholder text?

[dusky grove]

The word AI has been used to describe so many different things over the years. From goombas moving left and right to art theft fake cat videos

[jolly sky]

Especially when the second part of the acronym is completely and utterly false. "Intelligence"

[blissful imp]

the ceo did say in the transcript he's not a native english speaker.

[jolly sky]

I'm not talking about the transcript at all. I'm talking about the way things have been named in the English language over time and how some naming conventions really don't help discussions when one term can mean multiple different things

[subtle gate]

my biggest problem is when I see a video of ai voicing something in history and think maybe it's just making shit up

[compact shuttle]

Here is what you need to read closelly

Used red line

[urban venture]

Yeah re-read. My bad

[compact shuttle]

They buy concept art

[urban venture]

Yeha fair thats perfectly fine

[compact shuttle]

But if that ai, they are not throwing it out

[urban venture]

Hhh

[compact shuttle]

Because they dont have infinity money

[urban venture]

Weird

[compact shuttle]

Basically game journos doing ragebait

on non english speaker

[carmine sierra]

It's like I said earlier
They're not enforcing or mandating its use, they're just not telling their employees no
If the end result of their work is still good quality, then the means to get there are irrelevant

[compact shuttle]

I can read it fine. Because i am non english person

[forest glacier]

I don’t like generative, but I don’t like LLMs more. I don’t like any form of AI that uses Most Popular in place of Most Accurate, which is like most of them because the silicon and metal doesn’t have its own ideology and morals. On a tangent, I don’t like any form of AI that needs an overwhelming amount of electricity to do its base functions. Which is a lot of them.

[compact shuttle]

Like you can throw ENGRISH at me all day and i will understand it

Because i spoke it

[urban venture]

My line is, in general

Dont use it. There are few edge cases where LLM+ML usage actually seems mindblowing and useful

Replacing creative processes, no matter who does it or why, cheapens itself entirely

But yes we should examine these things further and check info. I was working off hypotheticals so thanks for linking the transcript

[compact shuttle]

E33 also used AI ssets. That they did nto knew ere AI(store bouhgt).

Not thei fault, Asset store fault

[urban venture]

Broad strokes vs a specific instance

[compact shuttle]

Majority of Small to mid creators buy and commision stuff.

They cannot afford to throw it away, if they got AI dupped

[carmine sierra]

The CEO of Sandfall said in an interview that some of the concept artists used AI for moodboarding

[urban venture]

Oh yeah thats a big problem

That would suck so much

[blissful imp]

i don't think they are, reading it.

i think you're misunderstanding it since the ceo is a non native english speaker.

[carmine sierra]

Yeah that got clarified, Zig 😛

[blissful imp]

basically

[urban venture]

Something that should be done is disclosure of what datasets/models are used

Ex: Arc Raiders made their own dataset with their own assets, paid for even with royalties in the case of voice actors.

But if it uses say, grok or chatgpt plugged into an npc like Where Winds Meet, that aint good

[compact shuttle]

Out of context. Some guy used ai to Understand concept of surrealism. But he did not use it in work as reference

[urban venture]

Already corrected myself, scroll up

[blissful imp]

i'm slow okay

[urban venture]

Rofl

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sloth-walking-slow-slow-mo-asi-cuando-gif-9747136

[carmine sierra]

I'm with you there, actually

[carmine sierra]

[blissful imp]

i'm reading through things i'm missing.

[urban venture]

Disclosure is always good for consumers, plays into my point about letting markets help dictate where this tech can go

[blissful imp]

slow scroller

[urban venture]

AI content is one of those things people boycott pretty heavily

[compact shuttle]

Issue is with today game Journalism.

Its all BS clickbait and out of context stuff. When they imply stuff for clicks

[jolly sky]

I personally have not seen any proof of the studio paying royalties to the actors for continuing to use their voices going forward. We know that they paid them for recordings, just not if they're going to continue paying them for continued generations.

Until I personally see proof of them actually paying royalties, Arc Raiders is staying off of my list.

[urban venture]

Fair I am working off secondhand info. Clarity would be nice

The bar is Vocaloid as far as im concerned. Dont they pay their voice bank artists quite a bit?

[compact shuttle]

I saw that in "Leaked" stuff. But everything and people discussing that got nuked from orbit on bluesky and x

[blissful imp]

Also. At launch there was gen ai in E33. there were tweets about it.

the genai was removed in a patch.

[compact shuttle]

But i cannot confirm if it was real

[urban venture]

Was a texture right?

[compact shuttle]

Like i am not sure it was real

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, that was placeholder textures that got missed in production

[jolly sky]

Yea I'm not trusting leaks as far as I can throw them, especially not in the current internet environment

[blissful imp]

wall and tree textures.

[urban venture]

A line we will all be saying frequently

[compact shuttle]

Tbh same here.

[jolly sky]

Other than the Art/Voice/Video Generation aspect I dislike, what also really concerns me is the amount of people personifying LLM chatbots, treating the output from an LLM as a "personality", as a life, as a person, as someone, when it couldn't be anything farther from the truth.

People are getting wrapped up in labyrinths of their own making, by interacting with a digital pool of Narcissus, and it is doing untold damage to their mental and emotional health

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, that's something that definitely needs to get smacked by legislation

[forest glacier]

Can’t wait for there to be a situation where some major CEO has to defend themselves against mass hysteria over an AI generated clip of them saying something damaging. lol

[compact shuttle]

I just know that those VA are voice pack VA.

And those people usually work on incentives\paycut per use.

But again that dont poof anything

[blissful imp]

What you don't wanna marry and have kids with an AI LLM? /s

man i wish i had kappa rn

[jolly sky]

And the problem with this, is that studies are showing that everyone is susceptible to its dangers, not just people who are experiencing a moment of emotional or mental weakness

[compact shuttle]

Dan. Gen Z literally falls for Nigerian prince scam

[forest glacier]

“My AI friend told me…”

[compact shuttle]

They are coocked with AI

Unless regulations come in

[blissful imp]

"My AI ate my homework"

[forest glacier]

Oh so the… exact opposite of what’s actually happening…

[compact shuttle]

Only EU doing regulation stuff it seems

Which is why Elon malding

[forest glacier]

The EU is doing too much for me to cheer for them on that… and that’s all I’ll say on that

[dusky grove]

There is a part of me that wants AI to ruin lives. Like how kiddos rely on it too much. This feels like... pruning the weak links

[compact shuttle]

yeah i feel you. Its always either nothing or waaaaaaay too much

[jolly sky]

It's not so much for the falling for AI scams, (although its obviously a problem) it's people using it as therapy, or as a perverted form of "connection" with a "person" and its doing SO much damage to people mentally

[dusky grove]

A small part

But it exists

[worthy ivy]

not using LLMs helps massively with this 😆

[forest glacier]

Oh and depending on how young your talking, you might be meaning Gen Alpha, Gen Alpha is elementary and I think middle school right now

[dusky grove]

Yeah. GenZ are in the work force

[worthy ivy]

just say no to AI...
this is your brain on AI

the slogans write themselves

[jolly sky]

Precisely, unfortunately there is a large group of people that are shocked, and are emotionally distraught that later versions of ChatGPT has become less....personable. Something it should never have been in the first place.

[worthy ivy]

friends don't let friends AI!

[dusky grove]

Well other genz are. I'm not.

[forest glacier]

Oldest gen alpha is 15

[worthy ivy]

I've always been put off by them being too nice - always blowing smoke up my ass being obsequeious and sycophantic banging on about how my question was the most insightful question anyone has ever asked ever and how it wants to keep exploring this vast new universe of possibilities my awesome question opens up blah blah blah

plus there's no real use case for an LLM for me
I know how to drive a search engine

the rest is fluff and bubblegum

[jolly sky]

Yep, this "behaviour" is massively dangerous for anyone who falls into that trap, and unfortunately according to studies, no one is safe from it because of how it interacts with your brains emotional and mental neurological pathways

[worthy ivy]

I think I'm safe
it made me not want to try to talk to another LLM ever again 😆

[urban venture]

I'd rather arm people with ways to defend themselves against it rather than let it run a natural course

Knowledge is powerful

[jolly sky]

Sometimes it takes "the right" amount of sycophantism. Too much and you get "the ick", too little and it doesn't work, but no one is actually safe from it

[worthy ivy]

safe enough if you don't use 'em

apart from the consequences of stuff that other brainrotted humans using AI do obvs

[jolly sky]

True enough for sure, but it shows that it is exploiting something human brains already have, and that we are also susceptible to it in real life interactions too. It's just that LLM's are "interactions on tap"

[urban venture]

To a direct degree sure. Indirectly tho...

[ocean agate]

go get food Thor

[blissful imp]

well. trying to get work. my younger brother has signed many job applications but hasn't been signed by any job atm.

over 100 btw.

[worthy ivy]

AIs don't kill people, people with AIs kill people with AI

[blissful imp]

just gotta hope that bubble pops.

[worthy ivy]

robocop/robodog/robobrain dystopia let's g-g-g-goooooo!

[dusky grove]

I mean yeah. Let people defend themselves. I'm all for more knowledge.

I'm just saying that there's a small part of me that just wants to watch others get to the finding out part of fafo

[blissful imp]

but when that bubble pops. were screwed

[worthy ivy]

although it'll be cool if we get ghost in the shell style robot bodies
then I'll buy in

I would totally put my brain in a robot body

[jolly sky]

And also sadly, themselves.

[worthy ivy]

also this

nothing will change until the harm becomes impossible for the mainstream of society to ignore

[dusky grove]

Like, would i teach my kids internet safety? Yes. Would i teach a stranger's kid when they themselves wont? No. Lessons are best learned through experience

[worthy ivy]

I did consider that, but I think it pretty much still counts as people killing people

I wanted to keep it snappy 😆

[blissful imp]

Saw this. https://www.rxddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1pqsng4/it_be_like_that_lmao/

[dusky grove]

So there's a part of me that wants ai to get more dangerous. Yknow... cull the weak

[worthy ivy]

you can't teach internet safety
the internet isn't a safe place

[blissful imp]

Already happening

[blissful imp]

70K

[dusky grove]

I'm just saying, humans have mostly evolved past natural selection. Most diseases are treatable, most injuries non-deadly, etc.

So maybe its time for a not-so-natural alternative

[worthy ivy]

I saw a study headlined "the internet is not a safe place for children" and I was thinking "what do you mean 'not safe for children' specifically...? it's not even safe for adults!"

[dusky grove]

There's what... 8 billion people now

[jolly sky]

And here's were I think the idea of the AUS's Social Media ban can be seen as a good thing, because not all parents teach kids internet safety, either because they're unaware of the dangers, or unwilling to teach, and unless you're monitoring your kids interactions 24/7, you can't control what is being shown to them by their friends who's parents are...less dedicated, and you can't control their interactions with the world.

There are studies that have shown the dangers of social media on Young Minds, moreso than adults, and the required access to the technology that allows access to social media in the first place is one of the progenitors to the problem (like for example, kids needing a laptop to study in school)

[worthy ivy]

we're going to be able to do some powerful research into the impact of social media on children though, because now we have a mahoosive control group in australia

go science!

[dusky grove]

What ages are affected by the ban again? Cuz like for 15 and below I can see that. But after a certain point I think they'd be competent enough socially to navigate that

[jolly sky]

16 and below I believe

[dusky grove]

Honestly, i think thats a good cut-off

[compact shuttle]

Here is the things i did before internet at school.
1.Snappers
2.Self made pistol out of matches, pipe from stool and ductape
3.Smoking, cuz older kids do it
4.Diving from a bridge into river that have rebar spikes at the bottom.

Fun activities

[dusky grove]

How are you alive

You made a gun

MADEA

[compact shuttle]

Then it was WC3, CS1.6 and Newgrounds

[dusky grove]

GUN

[compact shuttle]

Oh and playing with CARBIDE

I LOVED CARBIDE

[tribal nest]

Wait I’m sorry, does that say pipe bomb?!

[dusky grove]

Yall had way more interesting school lives than me

Though I am part of the post-facebook generation of students

[jolly sky]

Yep, children have always done things behind their parents back for almost as long as recorded history, no matter how dedicated parents have been to their safety.

It's just that now, there are a near infinite amount of avenues for children to get into danger, or to be in spaces that they really shouldn't, with almost no real way to control it on the individual level

[worthy ivy]

tennis-ball bmobs/smoke bmobs
hooking up a gas canister to a fountain
making homemade n*plam
jumping bikes off small roofs/hills/off cliffs
playing games on a live road (residential, but still)
lots of durgs and partying and underage drinking
breaking into building sites
having a drunken bbq on the golf course at 3am
and more
pre-internet kids was off the hook

[compact shuttle]

Like this. But 10 y.o. With a water steel pipe. Stronder and very, very not safe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW5aijBIYlA

[dusky grove]

The answer, like with most things, is probably in the middle. You don't wanna neglect em, you don't wanna coddle em

[compact shuttle]

Noice

[worthy ivy]

just as dangerous
just different dangers

[jolly sky]

Yea, but in the end I see the social media ban in AUS as a good thing, as that also gives parents a line in the sand to say to their children "No, you can't go on this website/platform/" etc.

There won't be the "But Timmy's parents let him play Roblox, why can't I" argument. It'll be just an outright, and clear denial.

[compact shuttle]

That when i see people say "Kids play to much on their phones". I some times have laughing fit

Cuz i was going to dance club and drinking at age of 11 lol

[digital siren]

Hello chat! Can someone tell me what the title was for the game being demoed before Divium?

[compact shuttle]

"Oh no my kid use phone and home on time"

lmao

I was home at 23 hours night

[worthy ivy]

bwomp bwomp bwomp bwomp

[carmine sierra]

The good ol' days where evening news needed to have celebrity PSA's to ask if you knew where your kids were

[jolly sky]

The order of indie games played today is;

AETHUS
Ghost Vanguard
And then Divinum

[digital siren]

Thank you!

[worthy ivy]

parents didn't know where the kids were back then
we just got sent outside to play

[compact shuttle]

Yup

[worthy ivy]

and it was glorious!

[jolly sky]

If in the future you want to know the same information without feeling the need to ask, you can find out by going to Thors' Twitch Page, (If he's live, click on his Display Icon), then go to "Videos,", scroll to "Recent Broadcasts", then look at the "Chapters"

There you will see a list of all the games he's played in that broadcast

[compact shuttle]

Like new gens home on time. Spend time on PC and Phone. Majority dont arrive home in police custody.

And they be like "Parenting hard in digital age"

[worthy ivy]

aha! I get to do the old person thing!

when I was a lad, you could go down to the chipshop, get fish and chips three times and still have change from a tenner

😆

[jolly sky]

Yup, I spent many an hour outside with neighbourhood friends. Playing real, outside games, riding on bikes etc

[compact shuttle]

I spent long time near autoshop. Cuz they allowed us(kids) to mess with their CO2 tank.

We carbonated everything, from tea and coffee to every juice you know

[worthy ivy]

SWIM may or may not have been very intoxicated and deconstructed a phonebox leaving all the parts stacked neatly by the side of the road at least once before

[worthy ivy]

how is carbonated coffee?
is a fizzy iced americano is as good as my brain thinks it would be?

[jolly sky]

One of the games we played was called "Foxhound" (no idea why it was called that) but it involved picking one person to defend a base (Like a tree or a closed garage, and if the group was big enough more than one person) and counting down from 20, with everyone elses goal to spread out and touch the base, usually by sneaky means

[worthy ivy]

because now I want carbonated coffee

[worthy ivy]

a widegame!

there's loads of them

[compact shuttle]

Its boost its bitterness. Like really boost it. Also it kicks in real fast. I actually got coffe shakes 1st time in my life

[worthy ivy]

we used to play capture the flag and last man standing and all kinds
you all tie three strings round your arm and if someone tackles you they get to take one of your strings - last team left with strings is the winner

good times

you ever play murderball?
is the original football game from medieval times

[jolly sky]

And then one of the infamous schoolyard games was Bulldog, which involved picking one person to stand in a space in between two walls, who's goal was to catch anyone running between the two walls until none were left

(Infamous because it was banned in many schools due to injuries lmao)

[worthy ivy]

see this is why kids used to be in shape and had to become adults before they got lazy
we used to run around all day playing stupid games and falling out of trees and shit
good excercise

good cardio

builds character

</oldmanshoutsatclouds>

[worthy ivy]

'twas brutal when it got competitive

olympic british bulldog wen?

[jolly sky]

In my school there was always the same kid left at the end 'cause he was a fast, short, wiry dude

[compact shuttle]

Soccer. we played lot of those. But with kicking each other legs at full force

[jolly sky]

There was a time when WWE got big in the late 90's and we were practicing wrestling moves on each other out on the concrete

[worthy ivy]

hockey is best sport for that, it's the great leveller
some people are good at hockey...
some people are bad...

but everyone gets a stick

much pain

much injuries

much unsportsmanly conduct

11/10 would play the closest thing we have to gladiatorial combat again

I quite enjoyed rubgy too - small and wiry like your bulldog champ so as long as I stayed ahead of the brutes and giants I was in the clear

[jolly sky]

Yea I also played a fair amount of Rugby back then too

Enough to be in the school team at least

[worthy ivy]

was hell in winter but in the spring when the ground is nice and soft and it's not cold enough to freeze the brass balls off an elephant it's great fun

[jolly sky]

Yea winter Rugby suuuuuucked

[worthy ivy]

question for chat
do I disable my adblocker to watch Happy Gilmore on youtube "free with ads"?

how many ads do they pitch at you on their "free with ads" shit?
I genuinely don't know, I routinely forget ads exist because I drive Brave

[jolly sky]

I haven't a clue personally, uBlock Origin is my mainstay while browsing

If adverts didn't absolutely SUCK, which they don't have to, I'd be happier to allow adverts through

[hasty grail]

leave adblocker on as often as possible

unless its throwing a MASSIVE fit with adblocker

[jolly sky]

If there was more control of how adverts played, and what adverts were let through, I'd have less a problem with allowing them as of course, watching them helps fund the creators I enjoy watching

Sadly however, that is not the case

[worthy ivy]

I'm guessing it's the built in adblocker?
probably is

I has decided to be useful and stream a mix instead 😆

[jolly sky]

I have no idea how Brave's adblocker works, and I don't particularly want to find out as they take payments from Crypto stuff lmao

[worthy ivy]

#advertising
happy gilmore can wait
absolute classic that it is tho

[compact shuttle]

I use uBlock + PrivacyBabger

When together they block most of stuff

[terse pelican]

Braves Adblocker doesn't work half the time

[worthy ivy]

wouldn't know about that
I don't crypto and I don't pay Brave 🙂

[jolly sky]

While you don't, Brave is certainly being paid by those spaces

[worthy ivy]

I don't worry too much about it
all the money is propped up by a casino-gulag stock-market that I don't really approve of, but I still use money
if people want to do silly things with blockchain that's on them
blockchain is really cool tech, but using it for money is possibly one of the most stupid ideas people have ever come up with in the whole entire history of humanity

[terse pelican]

You say using Blockchain for money is stupid, I raise you Blockchain videogames.

[worthy ivy]

bleh
the money thing is so obvious it hurts and I don't know why no one else seems to have spotted it:

we were burning however much energy just running blockchain transactions for nerds and drug dealers and they think they can scale that up to every transaction that we currently use money and/or traditional electronic payment systems for...

they're absolutely off their rockers

and if you want to throw money away I can beat blockchain videogames with old-tech:

Entropia Universe
*drops the mic

[proud lily]

The use of blockchain in videogames has always been stupid.
Blockchain ultimately is at best a security feature. It's on the same level as 2FA "fun" wise, aka no fun at all, noone cares.
The whole "Yeah, but you can get a weapon, and the REALLY OWN it. Carry it between games and stuff."
...Which you could implement without blockchain. Just as easy. Easier probably.

It's a non-feature for games

[worthy ivy]

there's been some interesting uses though
there was one coin that had geo-linking stuff built into the blockchain stack so people could use it for supply chains and track farm-to-table and all that good stuff

XYO coin

wonder if it's still a thing?

lmao

[west plinth]

the "take it between games" doesn't even make sense if you put any amount of scrutiny on it, because now you're asking a dev to put all the work of implementing thse sharable items while binding it all to some random external not-quite-database they have no control over

[worthy ivy]

don't invest in crypto kids

[west plinth]

you don't need blockchain for that

you can just do that with normal GPS enabling and a basic account infrastructure

[worthy ivy]

no, but blockchain is a decent way to handle the trust end of things
not the only way, but definitely getting more out of the blockchain than most coins do

and smart contracts look pretty useful once there's some more legal infrastucture around them, and blockchain is perfect for that

just not for using as, like, money 😆

[west plinth]

I trust that the service I'm using is doing their inventory management correctly on account of the governments will dissolve their corporate asses if they don't

[worthy ivy]

to get an idea as to just how stupid an idea I think using crypto as money is bear this in mind

I think NFTs are a more sensible use of compute than crypto money...
crypto is literally that stupid

at least you can make an argument an NFT is "art" of a sort

money is just money

[west plinth]

nft is a link in a ledger

that may or may not, at any given point in time, direct you to a piece of art

[worthy ivy]

I'm thinking the whole "make a picture into an NFT" thing when I say NFT

again, like crypto, there are probably sensible uses for NFTs elsewhere

I think it might be humans just can't be trusted to have cool things

we do stupid stuff with them

[west plinth]

the thing is the amount of processing cost to put the actual art into the nft would multiply the computational cost to verify the NFT into the blockchain by like, comical amounts

there's a reason every nft is just a link. it's the minimal amount of encoded data to get the job done in the eyes of technologically uninformed ""investors""

data space isn't free just because tech bros hype about "the cloud"

and encryption generally amplifies filesizes

[worthy ivy]

but the ledger itself is useful tech, even though we use it for stupid stuff

[west plinth]

the technology is principly useful ... in a port/harbour

is is a complete waste of computational power for aproximately every usecase it has been thought about that wasn't just async tracking of events in a fundamentally trusted and limited scope envoirenment

[worthy ivy]

yes this - when you need high trust low frequency transactions or records
but I'm not too worried, the whole world will descend into chaos and anarchy when the AI bubble pops, so don't panic too much about crypto 😆

mad max time let's g-g-g-gooooo

[west plinth]

as much as I can't wait for the collapse of the AI bubble, no it won't end civilisation

[worthy ivy]

the hyperbole is strong in me today

[west plinth]

a bunch of companies are gonna go bankrupt, the governments will be told "they're too big to fail" and be bailed out, and then shit will keep rolling down the hill as it always has

[worthy ivy]

three universal truths

• death
• taxes
• government "too big to fail" bailouts

[dusky grove]

I wonder when "too big to fail" becomed "too big to bail"

When the damage is too great that they literally cant afford to bail em out

[worthy ivy]

suspect as much money as was needed would be "printed" with a damn the cost further down the line attitude

[jolly sky]

Exactly. If the bubble popped, everything that "AI" is proposing to do or has done already, would actually cause the inability to continue doing said things without "AI"

[exotic forge]

Feels like the same chatter about the collapse of SAAS a few years ago

Some companies crumbled, the world kept moving

[west plinth]

the heck was SAAS

[worthy ivy]

software as a service

[golden mirage]

Software As A Service. Subscription models

[west plinth]

ahh, that cancer

never seen the abreviation

[exotic forge]

I used it as an umbrella term to describe all the new flashy tech companies that spawned the past five years and got insane valuations

[small meteor]

@Thor from my TTS earlier today.

The dough shall rise, and the mods will be fed!

[jolly sky]

Can I get a source on that art? That looks pretty cool

[hasty grail]

there are too many baking related jokes for one to mix up

im thinking of a few which might take longer to proof than what time allows

although there might be some self rising options available

[small meteor]

Artist is @Gaziter

[small meteor]

that's over on X/Twitter. https://x.com/Gaziter

Gaziter 🌱 (@Gaziter) on X

Game artist & character designer~ The artist behind Wildfrost ❄️ -not available for work-
DMs open on 🦋sky

X

[sand crown]

Timestamps are done and the VOD playlist is updated!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTcT6y91fwjZDi5vSmJl4pD4nZoev4FL

[gray fable]

thor is bread

[hasty grail]

peace offering to the mods

[late bane]

Posting such luscious things in chat

[gray fable]

baking thor's relatives /j

[golden mirage]

Today I found out about this.

Per wiki:
Coquito is a traditional Christmas drink that originated in Puerto Rico. The coconut-based alcoholic beverage is similar to eggnog, and is sometimes referred to as Puerto Rican eggnog.

I wonder if Thor has tried it.

[late bane]

Coconut eggnog...cocnog or nutnog oh dear ill stick to eggnog

[wheat sleet]

Mel nearly deez nuts'd herself

[late bane]

Nash is the girl I'm the boy

Melody is one of my nicknames so go by that here

[winter sierra]

This makes me mad why are they overflowing it

[late bane]

For the sexy muffin top

[clear musk]

Hey, I'm new and I wanted to set up my cloud stream. Can someone help me with that? I'm looking for German add-ons.

[wicked schooner]

Sorry dont know what a cloud stream is
Maybe you can ask people in #it-general for help? Youll need the information technology role from id:customize to get access

Also hello chat

https://tenor.com/view/spookierose-vtuber-witch-bald-tohru-gif-13030317044662765845

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/gundan-miorine-gif-27482060

[distant rapids]

Thor: "ah, piracy on the highseas-" goblins: #piracy-requests

[brave schooner]

@summer warren I hope you don't run into this guy....

[summer warren]

Haha, yeah I'll be getting a PB if Pyramid head turns up!

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-pyramid-head-the-executioner-silent-hill-2-fortnite-dance-gif-12564947054156756117

[split tulip]

+1 respect for linking artist. they've made some cool stuff

[brave schooner]

Legit insane how much this browser saves me. Zero ads on youtube ever and no extension for them to do that ridiculous "omg you have an adblocker you can't watch anything until you disable it" thing.

[wicked schooner]

What browser is that?

[brave schooner]

Brave.

[lapis flame]

what are you paying Brave?

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelle-god-damn-snl-gif-27095535

[brave schooner]

$0, it's a free browser

[lapis flame]

okay, so how is Brave making money?

whos paying for the development?

[brave schooner]

Read for yourself.
https://brave.com/faq/#how-brave-makes-money

[stoic zealot]

https://fixupx.com/gfodor/status/2002088375541727393?s=20

gfodor.id (@gfodor)

Today I'm releasing PortalVR 2.0, which lets you play the entire SteamVR ecosystem without wearing a headset. You plug in your Quest, put it on your desk, and play on your monitor.
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FixupX · Dec 19, 2025, 6:47 PM

we can get thor to play VR games

[blissful imp]

i have issues with Brave. it has lots of dumb bloat including its own Crypto coin.

if you want a good browser that comes with an Ad blocker pre-installed, i'd recommend Helium browser.

Helium is privacy 1st, has no ai in the browser, and no Crypto coin.

it comes pre-installed with a custom version of ublock origin, and it blocks ads on youtube and everywhere.

[worthy ivy]

I routinely forget that youtube even has ads until I try to play an embed on discord
Brave ftw!

[hasty grail]

https://imgur.com/srYsWqk

[forest glacier]

People paying for Brave, crypto, and first-party ads. So I understand the distaste. I’m having virtually the same online experience with two browser extensions. Don’t like Firefox’s AI? Turn it off lol.

[tender field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Ah5VQrzvA

[lapis flame]

i dont really trust a company to have my best interest at heart. especially when im not paying them.

[subtle gate]

that's why we look up how they earn money

[lapis flame]

and i dont exactly like what im seeing.

[subtle gate]

to find the "hidden" incentive

[lapis flame]

ill stick with firefox (as flawed as it may be), ublock origin and noscript

[blissful imp]

that ai has been there. the CEO is going to be doing more as it was stated recently. the plan is to turn Firefox into a modern ai browser.

[serene valley]

also especially not when I am paying them

[forest glacier]

And so far everything can be disabled, and then if it stops having a toggle, I find out how to either rip it out or prevent it from functioning properly 🤷‍♂️ normal computer user activities.

[forest glacier]

Man said TASTE THE RAINBOW @rapid scarab

[rapid scarab]

HAHAH

it didnt change for me

[forest glacier]

likely a front-end Twitch chat issue then, also get your name changed to Comic Sans btw

Every part of my chat is Comic Sans. I will not stop

Even the timestamps

[rapid scarab]

I can do that but I love myself

[blissful imp]

"normal computer user activities." i wouldn't say that. most people want good defaults. if a browser has AI by default they wont use it and will go with a browser that doesn't have AI.

Rn my picks for browser forks are:

Chromium fork: Helium
Firefox fork: Zen

that is if they dislike ai of course

if they like ai... well

[forest glacier]

I read this as "Most people want convenience" to which I say; skill issue.

[subtle gate]

I just got flashback to the internet connection short

[blissful imp]

no. Most people want good defaults.

most people don't wanna go into the settings and disable stuff and so on just to have a good experience. not a skill issue. kinda an ignorant thing to say really.

[forest glacier]

imagine thinking its physically possible to meet everyone's subjective opinion of "good" by "default". I'm done with this.

[wheat sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[gray fable]

thor is bread

[sand crown]

Timestamps are done and the VOD playlist is updated!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTcT6y91fwjZDi5vSmJl4pD4nZoev4FL

[worthy ivy]

not sure who pays for Brave, but it's not me
they have some crypto $hit (but I'm not a crypto goblin)
and an AI overview 🙁 (but at least theirs is pretty dumb, is more of a glorified search tbh)
I just don't use that stuff
but I don't pay a penny and see zero ads
if someone's paying that's fine by me, keeps me paying nothing

[minor nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PTTYp0Fmqe4

[serene valley]

"try role playing it"

robot, no hestitation: Sure!

and they wanna give this kind of intelligence control of like, massive corpos?

[golden latch]

And in your households as servants

[serene valley]

"hey let's roleplay that you kill the occupants of this house" and boom instant murder bot

everyone scared that AI would somehow harm humans because it started to hate humans, meanwhile the safety is so flimsy you can just prompt inject it

[golden latch]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-lethal-company-gun-go-do-a-crime-gif-16969631310934063949

[quaint lodge]

To be fair this isn't the AI's fault he was influenced by the evil of D&D clear as day.

[muted robin]

Someone link that study about how effective poetry is at getting AI to do stuff it's not supposed to

In other words: the master hackers of the future are bards

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/11/prompt-injection-through-poetry.html

Regular pooh: vicious mockery
Cyberpunk pooh: adversarial poetry

[static otter]

Stream late by 1h, probably to sync with AoC downtime 🙂

[winter wave]

What is Scrungelmaxing

[late bane]

Tired

[ocean agate]

he hasnt gottne out of the tank yet

[azure glen]

Feeling complete crap waking up after staying up for too long the night before

[winter wave]

Lmao

[eager osprey]

ultramarines would never let this happen

they’d all just say traitor and shoot eachother

[golden mirage]

Don't care, still want to see a full range of tom & jerry ultramarine skits.

[river pivot]

I found the holy grail

[river pivot]

Mirror cannot stop me I shall have my glue glazed ham

[carmine birch]

We have 7

[summer wyvern]

7

[carmine birch]

https://tenor.com/view/radio-dance-muzik-taniec-romantic-gif-23950452

[silent plank]

has thor talked about expedition 33 ai usage yet? I love to see his input on the matter.
copyrighting aside (haven't found what software they use to generate the asset), imo this is like the correct way to use ai generated asset bc they used them for placeholder stuff?

[jolly sky]

I quote "Sounds like a whole lot of who gives a shit"

[silent plank]

great abridge, thanks

[jolly sky]

That came from someone talking about it early on in the stream that he saw

[cursive egret]

They didn't use anything in the final product if my understanding is correct.

Just as placeholders and or inspiration

I bet most studios probably do this nowadays

[silent plank]

yep, this is what i got too.
it's not like touhou 20 where ZUN put the generated texture in the final version (although it his case it's in canon because AI is a part of the lore, and he generated it via adobe firefly)

[jolly sky]

Yes not purposeful, accidentally pushed to the final release and patched out after. One problem I can foresee happening more often as the generated assets become far less obvious to spot

[cursive egret]

Absolutely, it's just a matter of time and by that point most people probably won't care after a while.

[jolly sky]

Like, placeholder stuff is meant to be extremely obvious so that it is noticed and replaced with the real asset

[cursive egret]

I think people will give up on hounding em over ai once the ai gets good enough where people can't tell if it's ai or not.

I don't like that future but gotta be realistic

[jolly sky]

Well, IMO assets generated from Public GenAI models shouldn't be anywhere near creative outputs. If they want to generate assets from art they've already made however, I have no issue with that.

[cursive egret]

I don't disagree with you but i think it's inevitable that publicly trained ai will get used. When they can't be assed to optimize i don't think they are far away from trying to cut artists out of the process to save a few bucks unfortunately.

[cursive egret]

This exactly

Doesn't help how quickly images degrade in quality once they get shared multiple times

From 4k to 280p potato

[jolly sky]

Well, hopefully the Public GenAI models and companies will fall through due to none of them making anywhere close to enough money to continue, to the point where some of their Data Center's are being refused to be allowed to be built because of massive lack of income from it.

And with a bit of luck if that happens, the more niche and focused dedicated models will be left to do the asset stuff based on art already made by the studio.

[cursive egret]

I think most of ai will end up being used in enterprise applications probably

[jolly sky]

The Data Center part is already happening which is nice

[cursive egret]

Sorting through massive amounts of data and stuff

Nvidia is cutting comsumer gpu production already

Knew it was a matter of time

[jolly sky]

As long as its all internal use, coming from internal data, I couldn't give a shit about it

[cursive egret]

Yeah agreed

[jolly sky]

Because in that case, the data (code, art etc) still needs to be made by someone in the first place.

[wicked schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QGqzQGEy86A

[worthy ivy]

yeah the whole "we have to have our own power station to run the AI thing" only really applies if you want to run AI centrally

as faster smaller models are developed, and more people will be running locally on low power machines, there's less and less demand for centralised models

do the AI bros really think the future is Asimov'y Multivac style centralised computers?

[serene valley]

I think the future for it is far more local than AI tech bros want or hope for

[tribal nest]

hmm... this is weird. I was looking at the SteamDB pages for some of the indiecember games, and I noticed that almost none of them show an increase in follows or player count since they were showed off (and when there is an increase, it is only a handfull). But that doesn't make any sense

For example, I first looked at the page of PEPPERED, which I felt like a lot of people really enjoyed, and I saw multiple messages of people saying they bought the game, but on SteamDB the amount of followers on the 5th of december (the day the game was played) is the exact same as the amount on the 4th.

[serene valley]

You can buy a game and not follow it, can't you

[tribal nest]

Yeah, but doesn't it automatically do it, so you would have to unfollow it manually?

Also, when looking at the player count, is says it only went up by three players, which also doesn't seem correct

To be clear, this is what the graph looks like

Another weird one is Shade Protocol, where the Kickstarter page literally went up by 600 followers since the announcement, but that also doesn't match the graph on SteamDB

Nevermind, the shade protocol one literally does match up

It just raised slower than I thought

I do wish SteamDB had a way of showing the amount of Wishlists, because I feel that would be a better indicator for Indiecember

[golden mirage]

Shade protocol wishlist did jump after their show.

According to their devs

[tribal nest]

Ah, that's good to hear

Hope the same goes for all the other indies, and that it just isn't reflected in the amount of followers

[golden mirage]

I just checked my steam account, buying a game doesn't automatically follow a game either. You have to click the button to start following.

Also, don't forget, this isn't the first exposure to some of these games for everyone. I think I had seen at least half of the games so far and already wishlisted many, so I could say I wishlisted (and be true) it would not show as a jump in the dates you're looking at.

[subtle berry]

I’m sure that, if the KPIs for Indiecember are below expectations, we would hear about a steering meeting with key stakeholders to discuss the necessity of a hard pivot. Perhaps in the form of a walk-and-talk?

[serene valley]

Let's circle back on that later

[cinder sparrow]

@modern sinew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linspire

[wicked schooner]

Besides, we dont wanna boil the ocean

[serene valley]

Mmmm, fish soup

[steel reef]

For dinner I basically took one of each of these:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Sauerkraut-14-5-oz-Can/10315930
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Aidells-All-Natural-Cajun-Style-Andouille-Smoked-Pork-Sausage-Links-4-Count/10317800
Put half the can in a round CorningWare dish (F-5-B 1.6 Liter, according to the bottom), cut the sausages in half and put them in, then put the other half of the can over them. Put the lid on the dish, stuck it in the oven, set the oven to 350, and came back for it a couple hours later. Ate 2 of the sausages (4 sausage halves) and half the kraut, stuck the other half of the food in a container and put it in the fridge to reheat for dinner tomorrow.

(Barely counts as cooking I suppose, but at least it's not fast food and I did it on my own? 🤷‍♀️)

[sand crown]

I just woke up and working on the timestamps

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-lethal-company-gun-go-do-a-crime-gif-16969631310934063949

[sand crown]

Timestamps are done and the VOD playlist is updated!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiTcT6y91fwjZDi5vSmJl4pD4nZoev4FL

[fringe fractal]

It would be cool if we could opt-out of the pings from #videos and #streams etc without having to lose access to the channels. I still want to access let's say #streams if I wonder where Thor has gone a particular day, but I don't want the ping because I have my own systems for when he goes live because then I'd get double pinged etc.

[azure glen]

Make a #mod-ticket and put it in as a suggestion

[fringe fractal]

Will do. My guess is that the reason they might not do it is that you'd need to invert the roles for 150034 users

[azure glen]

That mostly ye

[wicked schooner]

Isnt there like a video mute or stream mute role?

[fringe fractal]

there is but you lose access to the channel

[wicked schooner]

Ah i see

[fringe fractal]

it's because they opt to using @ everyone and @ here (which is fair because it has benefits). But role pings might be the better option in some cases, which I myself would advice using. You can set up as well so we can't ping roles but they can, so it would work.

[azure glen]

The thing is, pings are done on the everyone role. So to not get the pings, you'd need to not see the channel.

[winter sierra]

this server has some interesting features noticeably the duplicated emotes lol :P

[fringe fractal]

But yeah, I'll create a mod ticket about in a few days when I can put my mind to writing a proper suggestion message

[azure glen]

Sounds good

[wicked schooner]

You mean the animated/non animated ones?

[winter sierra]

no i mean the doubles

[wicked schooner]

Huh didnt notice there were duplicates

[winter sierra]

wait

they got rid of most of them!!

[azure glen]

The emotes are taken from stream mostly, so are separate ones where one is supposed to be animated.

[minor nymph]

https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/2002871391029530701

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware)

Indiecember Update

X · Dec 21, 2025, 10:38 PM

[fringe fractal]

iirc the non-animated ones are re-uploads because animated is nitro only even if you're already a twitch sub and should be able to access them

it's a workaround for discord being greedy

[winter sierra]

im talking about the other ones

but its mostly fixed now

there used to be like 3 copies of a few non animated ones

[fringe fractal]

ah

[wheat sleet]

There's so many cool demos to play I don't even need to buy any games for Christmas

[late bane]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-exotic-tiger-king-never-recover-financially-broke-gif-16765645

Thor wishes to bankrupt us with games, then again in the summer

[golden mirage]

Its all part of the Fracking Five buying out Big Indie to get more money out of us.

[late bane]

...disks are made of plastic
Plastic comes from oil...

[late bane]

Are you hip or just a really cool apotamus

[worthy ivy]

we potamusposting?

[late bane]

I'm hopeing someone gets my ref is all

[wicked schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/гениально-gif-24642364

[forest glacier]

Whats actually going on is Twitch integration vs/manual upload, anything with a lowercase "yarr" prefix is a Twitch integration. This gets most confusing with emotes there are already two versions of like @azure glen pointed out. there's yarrCult yarrCultist Cultand YarrCult where only the last one is animated. The Twitch integration gives you Nitro's Use-Across-Servers but not Animated Emotes (which is dumb), so animated Twitch emotes will transfer over as non-animated. Some emotes have manually uploaded static versions from before they got animated later on; and interestingly enough those static emotes are locked for me here. 🤷‍♂️ Discord doing Discord things.

[winter sierra]

these are the 2 crunchy ones

[forest glacier]

Setting the channel to “Nothing” and then muting it “Until I Turn Back On” will stop push notifications on your device, regardless of still receiving the red dot over the app and channel when the everyone role is tagged.

[forest glacier]

I love looking at old nostalgia. Those emotes are before my time… but that’s what’s cool about them.

[wicked schooner]

Le mushroom shed

[forest glacier]

I at least know a partial story for that one LOL

[thick ledge]

There's some emotes that are ancient

Characters from animus that we haven't seen in like years

Not sure they're even still planned to be in the game

< this is an animus character, no idea who it is

There's a polar bear that used to be around too

There's a rage emote that's also an ancient animus character

[winter sierra]

[hasty grail]

someone want to explain the fracking 5 meme or is it more of a single person keeping the idea alive

[forest glacier]

Existed before me (25mo). I think it might have been a Twitter larp Thor made fun of.

Like that one guy who thinks Thor planted a bomb in his pacemaker

[winter sierra]

I remember from the first aoc times

There was a lot about it

[forest glacier]

Oh yea, significantly older than that

[winter sierra]

Yea

But ive been here only a bit more then a year. (Plus im a ferret person)

[forest glacier]

I graduated and ate the Mario star like every good 2 year sub does 🤣

Thor keeps them held up next to the challenge coins

[winter sierra]

Ill be 2 year next October

[golden latch]

Remember when there was the onion eaters

[forest glacier]

Then you'll finally join my "VIP" chat lol thats why I have that tab. Which came in real handy at times during all the drama, I could just switch to my own sub-only mode

[late bane]

Shroom goon room

[winter sierra]

i dont actually have VIP because i didnt want to do my quest

idk. i kinda stopped caring for a while

[forest glacier]

might have to refresh my memory a little...

[winter sierra]

(imo, the chat voting is a very bad idea)

[late bane]

They pick dance too much

[winter sierra]

EXACTLY

[forest glacier]

no no, I called it VIP but its not for people with the VIP badge, anyone subbed to pirate over 24 months gets filtered into that tab for me

[late bane]

We need a cool down

One type per 2 stream

[winter sierra]

chat is not good at being even. thor should just make it so you cant get the same one as the last person

[golden latch]

The onion cult that formed during the variable tts voices era when the guy from diablo would go on and on about the benefits of eating onions he was selling.

[forest glacier]

Most of the time when I see the cursed quest redeemed by someone who tells chat what they are best at, they usually get that quest. I myself put votes in when I see that

[late bane]

Submit a ticket perhaps

[winter sierra]

ehh. i feel its not important enough

[late bane]

Welll I think its a good idea

[winter sierra]

at first (when i got it) it was dance like 12 times in a row

[late bane]

Can you rent a kitten mascot suit

[forest glacier]

yea, different times... smaller community isnt always bad

[late bane]

That would be down fun since they want your face coverd with Thors

[winter sierra]

this is why the ferrets are better

[late bane]

And he is the discord kitten

I actually need his help with my Mod ticket however but they are so busy with Indicember

[forest glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-laptop-cat-busy-cute-gif-5822667

Hard at work

[late bane]

Khronos probably

[forest glacier]

Alright if that’s Khronos, this one is Thor…

https://tenor.com/view/computer-cat-working-type-typing-gif-7817705

[winter sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/987123333659250688/1440549746086252635/fertt.gif

[late bane]

3rd is jake

[winter sierra]

shaye^

[forest glacier]

How did you get this picture of chat?!

[winter sierra]

self portrait

[golden mirage]

I wonder if its possible for Thor to give a name badge in Twitch chat for the indie devs, something in the same space as the twice prime or subscriber badges. Something to more easily recognize them if you miss their intro "Hi I'm Dev."

[sand crown]

A reminder for the vod watchers

[exotic forge]

For all indie devs or those whos games he is playing or has played

[golden mirage]

I was mainly thinking of Indiecember devs.

[tender field]

John Twitch at it again. This time in ferrets stream.

[azure glen]

Aw man, I loved the pirate voice and the scrum witch

[winter sierra]

Omg???

[thick ledge]

This reminds me of me emoting next to thor in Diablo 4 whenever he tried to talk to chat

[tribal nest]

Wait, I’ve been here longer than you?? Damn, in my head you’ve been here for way longer than me

[winter sierra]

lol, i know a lot because im here so often

Also ive watched thor for a while. Just kept out the community till October last year

[tribal nest]

Yeah, I think it’s probably the same for me, except that I only really started interacting a bit later than that, so that’s probably why it seemed that way

[tender field]

Powercut means stream will start late...

[static otter]

will there be a 2h late start today? as AoC server down till 2AM Thor time 🙂

[golden mirage]

I think Thor will be sleeping until shaye wakes him when the power comes back on. If aoc is down he'll probably just call us goblins and subject us to more stargazing pie

[late bane]

Not us, just you...

[ocean agate]

i cant believe Thor would crash an entire power grid just because AoC servers are down....

[opal star]

Can't Believe Thor (CBT) moment

[ocean agate]

THIS....ON A SHIRT.......NOW

[opal star]

Then put either the long lemon or the mustache

[wheat sleet]

I hope the power comes back before the first indie game

[kindred glen]

Does anyone have up to date information about the status of what is going on?

[tribal nest]

Someone drove into a transmission pole

again

[nocturne elk]

https://tenor.com/view/car-pole-crash-where-did-that-come-from-gif-15796715

[ionic dust]

Thors power is out?

[wicked schooner]

Yup

[ionic dust]

I gues I will finish putting my dryer basck together

[tribal nest]

The whole county is out

[kindred glen]

That is a fragile power network

[ionic dust]

Its forest areas so they dont have a large grid like major cities.

More than likely there is only one substation that controls the area he lives in and its also low priority in the grand scheme of things

[kindred glen]

Sounds like he could do with a backup generator or battery backup then

Especially with the new build on the horizon

[nocturne elk]

he's mentioned it before. It's not so much backup power (which he's got) it's internet

[tribal nest]

He has a backup generator, but only to keep the ferret AC up

[opal star]

u cant backup generator the internet back up, the only issue

[tribal nest]

We should really have like a !generator command with how many times people suggest it

[golden mirage]

Lol, yes

[opal star]

[kindred glen]

It depends how the internet is networked. Here we have backup batteries in all the local cabinets

[tribal nest]

I think it's been brought up like three seperate times in #ferretchat , in the same conversation

[kindred glen]

Where was this posted?

[summer night]

twitch chat

[nocturne elk]

emote only chat on the Pirate Software Twitch

[golden rapids]

Thor said he is at a small regional ISP. So he probably could just negotiate with them to get a battery backup for the curbside cabinet as well (if he doesn't already have a dark fiber that ends in a data center anyway)

[tribal nest]

Power in the whole county is out, the ISP is probably affected too

[nocturne elk]

yes but if the whole county is out, that means the small regional ISP is probably out. not too much you can do there

[golden mirage]

Every time there's a power outage people comment on backup power several times here and another dozen times on stream

[nocturne elk]

we ought to make Bingo Cards or something

[opal star]

cant backup internet if no electricity to power internet in the first place

[nocturne elk]

free space can just be 7️⃣

[golden mirage]

Oh Thor bingo is an idea

Kitten needs to be on there, and yarrstinky

[opal star]

some possible words on the bingo would be : "You Goblins", "Why are you like this", "I'm not an AI"

[golden rapids]

It depends, ISPs are critical infrastructure. At least here they're way harder regulated to avoid getting caught up in such large outages. (At least that's the idea...)

[opal star]

and hey social

[tribal nest]

I just put in a Mod Ticket to suggest it, because it would be really useful imho

[muted spire]

How does the curse thing work... sorry I keep hearing it when stream but how does one get cursed

[wicked schooner]

#streams message
Goddammit

[nocturne elk]

it's a twitch points redeem 1/day

[vivid grove]

@muted spire you can activate (once a day) the cursed quest with chanel points

[muted spire]

oh...

[tribal nest]

It also isn't that much, I think it's only 5000 points?

But only one per day yeah

[nocturne elk]

50k

[tribal nest]

oh, ok, nvm

[golden rapids]

Technically you always can. That's what a dark fiber is good for. Aka. you get a fiber ran between two points and - well - the fiber itself doesn't need power, so as long as you've power at either end you're fine. And these usually are either ran between ones own buildings or from your building into your datacenter. Also the US would have to have an exceptionally shitty infrastructure if the ISPs don't have at least battery backup for a few hours at their distribution points. (yea I know cost savings and such, but one usually can pay them for the additional backup. That's what e.g. hospitals and emergency services get)

[kindred glen]

You were close 😉

[nocturne elk]

just 1 whole Zero!

[tribal nest]

That seems like it would crazy expensive to do if it would need to reach to an entirely different county (at a minimum)

[kindred glen]

Dark fibre or ISP backup? Dark fibre is for big applications that need to keep their connection. Isp backup should be common sense

[tribal nest]

The dark fibre part

[kindred glen]

Yeah, not really worth it for Thor. Although cell mast backup would.

[tribal nest]

I wonder if satellite internet would be worth looking into with how often the power goes out?

Probably still too expensive though

[proud depot]

would get spotty internet at best during storms

[nocturne elk]

no good with the trees, signal spotty at best

[tribal nest]

Also that

[toxic garden]

wouldn't be he lives in a forest in washington state, a state known for rain. there likely isn't a good back up option for him realistically

giving the costs and trouble of getting primary internet set up where he lives

[kindred glen]

Given that it appears the ISP goes down more than house power, I'd say it's the ISP that needs to sort s*** out

[tribal nest]

Yeah, Thor has probably looked into all of the alternatives and deemed them not worth it

[inland bramble]

The best alternative internet here is cellular. Buddy lives out in a similarly rural area here in WA and while he has starlink, most of the time he is using cellular.

[toxic garden]

but how good would that be for thors needs, with running two streams

[inland bramble]

Mostly useless., It's just the best alternative.

[nocturne elk]

would you like to watch Ferrets in 144p?

cause that's what that would look like

[toxic garden]

that was the point i was getting at, was kind of a leading question

because sometimes the best options are worse that suffering it out

well best alternatives

[kindred glen]

To be honest, as long as the audio comes through and ads play, I wouldn't mind a low res ferret stream

[tribal nest]

Also, the critical things for Thor are all sorted out. The only thing that different internet would solve would be that he was able to stream, which isn't the worst issue in the grand scheme of things

[toxic garden]

well i mean that is kind of important as that's his job lol

[tribal nest]

Yeah, but one day of missing out wouldn't send him into crippling debt probably

or otherwise Thor would really have to take a good look at his finances

Probably from eating too much Dr Pepper Beans

[toxic garden]

no but even if you are comfortable missing out on what you feel you need to do is still very stressful

[nocturne elk]

what it sucks most for is having to reschedule the indies.

Such is the risk holding an event during power outage season I guess....

[tribal nest]

That's fair

[toxic garden]

and right now as Pan pointed out its during a major event he is hosting

[tribal nest]

To go back to cellular a bit, do I remember correctly that when Thor switched houses, he briefly streamed on 5G? I know he probably had better connection there, but I just want to know if I misremembered it

[toxic garden]

he tried to, but he was driving back and forth to the old house to stream

[golden rapids]

you both have heared how much over kill his current internet plan already is? Thor would be the kind of person that gets a dark fiber ran to his home even without all of the streaming things :p

[toxic garden]

That would be much different because it isn't just paying for a plan

[kindred glen]

Internet throughput is different to internet stability/reliability

[wheat sleet]

Thor is potentially doing 3 sepearate streams all at once from the same location (ferrets, shaye, thor) and in 2k resolution, so he has to have a beefy connection

[golden rapids]

If he has a place that is high up in a 100km radius he could go with microwave transmission e.g. Ubnt Air Fiber and such. But then he'd most likely also need a permit to build a pole. But as he said he wants to setup an amateur radio transmission tower anyway...

[toxic garden]

I am pretty sure he isn't because he has often talked of flooding during rain storms

[toxic garden]

Permits would be the hard part and the costs of permits would suck

[golden rapids]

He could build a pole at his hose. It's the other end. Either it needs a pole as well or needs to be on a large builing or even a mountain top or something. We've setup Ubnt Air Fiber to connect two of our buildings and well it went a bit too good. The external building had better connectivity to the server than everything in the same building (shitty legacy wiring)

[tribal nest]

I looked it up, and Dark Fibre can range from $50 to $300 per mile per month

[toxic garden]

yeah

[golden rapids]

yep

[tribal nest]

That is straight up not feasible for a residential connection

and insane overkill

[toxic garden]

to be fair his isn't residential, his is a business connection

[golden rapids]

Well I know people that have one for their personal stuff. Is it overkill? Yea. Are we "IT people" the kind of people that'll do it anyway? Also yea...

[toxic garden]

he is also not the kind of person to just throw money at things though

[tribal nest]

That still would go up to multiple thousands of dollars per month, just to solve a problem of not being able to stream maybe once or twice a month

[toxic garden]

see his conversation about fish tanks and money spending

[golden rapids]

Also it gets cheaper when you ran the fiber yourself. All you need is a bit of luck for the city to dig up a trench for you and hand the building crew a case of beer. Then you just throw your fiber into the trench and let them finish up. But as he lives country side, even digging the trench himself would be feasible. All you need is a truck from a farmer and rent the trench digging plow...

[kindred glen]

Cell or satellite/starlink would be the best backup options. Or just have the ISP install backup infrastructure, which they should already have anyway

[toxic garden]

He lives in the middle of nowhere in a forest city don't care about him

[tribal nest]

Yeah, this isn't really an issue that Thor should be fixing

[toxic garden]

isn't he closest to seattle too?

[tribal nest]

But sadly he does

[toxic garden]

if i am right, he is one customer in a highly saturated market, but he lives somewhere hard to maintain, and isolated

they will do what they can, but they are not gonna put thousands of dollars in to making sure his connection is redundent

redundant*

[golden rapids]

Satelite is not an option. He lives in Washington. Stormy weather. Satelite connection cuts out in these conditions quite frequently. Also if there are even just a hand full of others doing the same in the same sector your connection also plummets. Starlink doesn't scale...

[toxic garden]

And Cell isn't really an answer either giving his connection needs

cell would be good if he worked a normal 9-5 Work from home job, but running 2 streams is not feasible

[kindred glen]

You can tie multiple connections together if required

[tribal nest]

All alternatives basically boil down to "it's just not worth it"

[toxic garden]

exactly this

[tribal nest]

And it's the conclusion we reach every time he has a power outage

[toxic garden]

the costs vs reward do not line up

this is the hidden cost of his chosen life style of living in the middle of a forest

[golden rapids]

Doesn't help for cellular. The frequencies aka. Air is a shared medium. You'll canibalise yourself. Directional transmissions aka microwave transmission using something like Ubnt Air Fiber is the way to go in these cases. That was exactly why we choose it for connecting our buildings. We basically had the same problem.

[river pivot]

Clearly the answer is Thor taps into some kind of druidic mushroom forest magic and uses that to power the local internet infrastructure

[toxic garden]

This is the way

[golden rapids]

Well, except for the microwave transmission. We don't know what is in 100km radius around him. Or running your own dark fiber line. Not even the entire way to a data center but only to a place that has less of these issues (if he knows farmers and land owners arround him that gets feasibly cheap though).

[toxic garden]

would still fall victim to washington weather

[river pivot]

All the hours of work involved in running a line possibly miles as well as any maintenance involved because of all the rainfall and such means that it doesn't really matter how cheap it is that it solves a once or twice a month problem that pops up during the extra rainy seasons

[toxic garden]

also having to get county approval for the project in the first place

[hearty basin]

Is the US power grid that bad everywhere or just in the region Thor is in? This year alone there were more cancelled streams due to power outages than I had power outages in my entire life of almost 30 years in Germany

[river pivot]

Like it is absolutely possible but just not a reasonable reaction or investment of time

[tribal nest]

You know what, I'll just ask Thor through TTS when he is live, so we'll have a definitive answer to this debate, because I don't doubt he has considered all of these options before

[toxic garden]

he lives in a state with frequent bad weather, in a forest, away from society

[toxic garden]

he has said that it isn't worth it multiple times

[tribal nest]

Do you have a clip, because that would be useful to share

[toxic garden]

I don't

[golden rapids]

Not really. You'd be surprised by how good microwave transmissions work. Especially if you do not need it to be at max range. One of the issues we had when setting it up was the manual saying to start at 25% (or something like that) and slowly increasing the power until they see each other. Well with 25% we lasered through the reciever side and didn't manage to get a connection. After contacting support we turned it down to something around 5% and got 1G full duplex connectivity. Even at storms and with tree tops getting in the line of sight...

[toxic garden]

but what would be the cost of setting that up

[river pivot]

In rural foresty areas where the weather is bad it does go out fairly often but most city and suburban areas only happen during major weather events or disasters

[tribal nest]

And the time investment, because right now Thor's time is fully taken up by the new Ferret Building

Which he said was also the most expensive and risky undertaking he has done in his life

[toxic garden]

we are talking like it is simply calling an ISP and saying i want x service. and it will be done quickly and painlessly

it took him months to get internet to his house

[golden rapids]

About 1000 USD one time investment + whatever it costs to run a cable to your roof or wherever you want to mount it.

[toxic garden]

cost doesn't only mean money

How much time, how much stress, how much space

these are all considerations to be made

[golden rapids]

Literally none. You set it up once. We didn't even use the proper equipment to turn them correctly.

[river pivot]

Again no one is saying it isn't possible to do any of this but that the effort/cost/time involved are just not worth solving such a temporary issue that isn't too damaging to the bottom line of things

[golden rapids]

Was a bit yoloed and it still worked perfectly

[river pivot]

It's also not any of us living with it so if the person who is says that it isn't worth then that is pretty much the end of the road

[toxic garden]

yup

[toxic garden]

especially when it is someone who would have already considered all the options already

[golden rapids]

Well we're currently not talking with Thor about this. And the question asked before was what is possible. And well these two are basically your only options in such an environment. If you actually go for them or not is an entirely different topic...

[tribal nest]

I'll suggest it to Thor over TTS, then he can give his thoughts on it

[toxic garden]

maybe someone can clip it this time to have it

[kindred glen]

It's a nice mental exercise while we wait

[toxic garden]

because power will go out again

[tribal nest]

Yeah, I'm planning to do so

Would go nicely with a possible !generator command

[river pivot]

Maybe I missed the transition from things Thor should do to ideas in general then so apologies if I seemed a bit short but it does come up every time there is a power issue where everyone comes in with plans to solve it.
And now I return to my work while I wait for updates

[toxic garden]

you're good, I am trying to figure out what to work on while I wait

i guess i could start looking for my 4th player for starfinder

[nocturne elk]

what a picture

[tropic mirage]

oh shit

[tribal nest]

JESUS CHRIST

[wheat sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-incredibles-driving-funni-gif-10531280605908231772

[river pivot]

That'll do it

[tribal nest]

I uh, I don't think we'll be having a stream today guys

[wicked schooner]

Holy......

[opal star]

everyday im thankful that where i live, power lines are underground

[distant rapids]

Fjfjkf dont get close tondowned powerlines!

Udhdnfncnc

[wheat sleet]

Underground utilities are hella expensive and sometimes nearly impossible to work on

[proud depot]

what did I miss?

[distant rapids]

I hope it is just another persons picture but.

[nocturne elk]

#streams

[proud depot]

did a person get electrocuted?

[tribal nest]

Was this sent after going too close to said powerline?

[dusky void]

does it hurt the power line pole?

[kindred glen]

Maybe they should have install the post more than a foot from the road....

[opal star]

Cant Believe Thor (CBT) made a tree fall down with his lightning powers

[distant rapids]

[nocturne elk]

into the trees where it falls and starts a fire?

[frank rune]

I’ve seen our utility company replace a pole in a couple hours