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Yes, when the node outside Thor's network was hit with DDOS, it would first help with nocking out OSRS because the game is sensitive to interruption. Because Thor has symmetrical 3gbs/3gbs (3 gigabits per second), it takes a crapton of intereference. Eventually with enough hit, his live discord was effected and even stream. But mostly the game. At the same time or switching between Thor's ISP and DDOS Jagex.
The DDOS against Jagex dropped a chunk of players which some hate-wagoned to PirateSoftware. I think also 1 other vector where they bad actors where hitting Jagex account interface on Thor causing the server to logout and then timeout his MFA as a side effect. So the bad actor(s) have demonstrated a mutli-attack portfolio.
That doesn't sound right
The great news is Thor's ISP has been ramping up mitigation, Jagex obviously doesn't want this and midigation on their own. Now its about time. At some point the bad actors are going to get too greedy and internet records are foreever.
it sounds like the meme where the guy shoots someone in the background and says "how could Thor do this"
At first, I was thinking I'm living in the meme society.. but now I really am thinking humanity is just going down the toilet (but think stronger negative descriptions).
Could someone more technical than me explain how a DDoS stops traffic of everything except streaming? This doesn't sound correct.
I'm not saying Thor didn't get DDoS'd but it sounds like he didn't get DDoS'd this one time, OSRS did
You can't run L7 floods on ISP nodes AFAIK, and even then they'd have to be targeted at everything except something aimed at a CDN
It is correct. DDOS isn't an on/off attack. Think of it as a saturation attack. Wrong state packets are sent to the network, the network has finite resources to error correct and eventual runs out of processing power. A percentage of good/bad ratio is effected.
That's my point, it would affect the stream as well.
It did. At times it stuttered. But the pipe is fairly large and the DDOS originators couldn't sustain enough error traffic to overwhelm capacity. It was definitely enough to cause connection between the game.
Dang I didn't notice
Well, they did hit devices up in the ISP chain. L7 or not do not know, Thor told us what the ISP said. A node above Thors (Point of Presence) network was DDosed.
What I mean is, Thor's router and ISP fiber interface appeared unaffected - so Thor's network wasn't directly attacked.
I apologize, I only speaking to this because I've been on the streams, but I also work with networks and programming for my job and know some of what was going on.
That's...not how a DDoS on an ISP node works. It wrecks everything for every user under that node.
ISP nodes are dumb packet shufflers, to attack one you need to go for the L3 and L4 layers. Everything gets blocked/slowed down.
Oh sick. Then you're the perfect person to explain this to me 'cos the pieces ain't fittin'
My networks knowledge is limited
Well, I am trying a little bit but I believe I will not be able to explain it technically accurate enough to help you understand or persuade.
There's no need to apologize btw I'm just trying to understand this situation 'cos it doesn't add up
I went on the stream briefly but the main subject was "we're being currently DDoS at the ISP level" and the entire stream shouldn't work if that was the case to my knowledge.
Unless Thor subscribes to two ISPs and has one for gaming and one for streaming
I saw that some people do this on two pc setups
To protect their IP and such
At the simplest of terms, a traceroute will show all the devices your signal bounced through - not including the hidden ones. An attack can navigate this chain and target infrastructure. As for the switches, ISPs certianly don't use a lot of non-smart devices. Many are managed sofisticated switches.
Traceroute hops don't cherry-pick one ISP aggregation switch unless they're coming from the same network.
A botnet would hammer the entire thing
The insinuation here is basically that the attacker was another customer on that same node.
Of course it doesn't. Some devices are multiple interfaces and traceroute won't be able to see all of them. It actually does cherry pick by using TTL. Traceroute is like a chain of pings waiting for the response from the last interface when time to live runs out.
Distributed Denial of Service is precisely why it most likely was not a customer.
Idk anything about this but iirc thor said the ISP said the switch(?) Was being ddos'd? Not sure if that's helpful 
Isp implimented mitigation so it's effects are lesser now
Runescspe itself just happens to be very delicate about unstable connections
And longer the actor keeps at it, the higher the chances of getting caught too.. but DDos is notoriously hard to go after. Good thing though, there are lots of tried and true mitigation. Its how much do you want to spend. The ISP has a set level of service because they need to fulfill a watermark of quality.
That makes it sound like it's not a DDoS. You can't keep Twitch traffic ongoing while game server connection is wrecked, and OSRS was being DDoS'd at the time.
I'm pretty sure traceroute TTL hops don't let you cherry-pick one hidden interface on the type of switch an ISP operates with.
Afaik the attack quantity was fairly weak, enough to lag the stream some and knock osrs offline but not bring the whole thing down
TTL hops are not cherry-picking hidden interfaces - they are simply not going to show up using traceroute.
Also think Thor said the attack was not visible from his local network whatsoever
But the point isn't a fact useful for ruling out ISP operations and how DDos can or cannot effect.
Earlier you said they can?
Cherry pick interfaces, not hidden interfaces. I thought I was clear, but I meant to be clear.
Cherry pick - I borrowed that and it means something else to me than it does to you. Sorry
Right soz, the wording was my b. The core issue is still true tho, like, you can't DDoS an ISP aggregation node selectively in a way that lets one service through while only another specific service (i.e.: all of gaming) goes caput to the point it doesn't work anymore.
All protocols suffer when the queue is bricked
When you look up how tracert works, it uses UDP packets with TTL set so at some point because of TTL, a device will not relay the packet anymore and send back an ICMP response which trace route records if it can the IP/Mac address of the device. It increases the TTLL and goes again until the final destination is found. What is left is a trace of the devices that answered. Many factors skew this tool, such as not responding to UDP, ICMP being blocked or simply silently drops the packet.
I heard Tracert as Truth serum 
Traceroute showing hops doesn’t explain how a DDoS would kill OSRS and all other games but let Twitch through. How would the router tell them apart?
Error messages happen all the time. It is surprising how much error can be handled with zero issue. Programs that are not robustly using their communication protocols get logicly fouled up and drop connections. A ddos event increases the probability. OSRS is not robust and sufferes first.
The streaming protocol is quite simple and robust and designed for hundreds(thousands) of dropped packets and keeps on trucking.
Was the stream constantly buffering and stuttering? I don't remember it being bad at the level of "the node is suffering from a volumetric DDOS that kills all game services"
2 seperate attacks
You mean the attack on OSRS?
yea - they also hit OSRS servers too, sometimes at the same time.
Right. My point is that Thor wouldn't stream other games
Rather than OSRS not working. I'm pretty sure it wasn't working for anyone.
I saw people blaming him for it and it's a disgusting narrative
I'm just gonna assume Thor conjectured that his ISP being attacked + OSRS not working === no other games would work and leave it at that. I don't remember if he tried.
No - its not conjectured - the ISP confirmed the information.
You misunderstood what I said.
I mean the combination of the ISP saying he was being attacked + OSRS being attacked === gaming services are bricked rather than just OSRS is bricked
I didn't think he plainly said other games wouldn't work. I got more of a why would I want to play another games, I'm playing OSRS and will when this gets midigated.
He did. A chatter said "Can you just play other games?" and was replied with "No 'cos of the DDoS on the ISP node"
I could see issues with other games potentially not working. I would say his answer was correct and didn't need to prove it. DDos will reduce quality, why mess with it?
If he tried I wouldn't be asking about it!
I came in trying to understand from the technical angle if it is possible to do something like an L7 attack but on an ISP node and in reverse.
So you are talking about layer 7 as in the application layer of the OSI model?
to be perfectly honest I think the ISP just has wonky service and was happy to tell their customer it wasn't their (the ISP's) fault
and the crux of the issue was just the general instability osrs has been suffering
no, the ISP has been pretty solid in the past, and it was a problem affecting Thor specifically when OSRS was on screen being streamed.
Good luck with your quest. Layer 7 is application level but I think you should not focus on that layer - it wasn't really where the issue was. It was affected by other layers.
right, that's what confirmation bias indicates
Yeah, more like selective packet filtering on the ISP node, which is really L3/L4, since routers don’t parse app-layer traffic the way a server would.
L7 in a way that you'd selectively drop services
I mean in reverse 'cos you'd do an L7 attack on the server itself, not some person's ISP node
no, thats what was observed.
TCP/IP, UDP, and ICMP are not layer 7
I've worked in the gambling industry, I've seen plenty of times when humans attach meaning to random events
I tapped the machine and then I won this time, so tapping the machine makes the win rate higher!
Understand Aspirant, but that's not the issue here. But for the rest, have a great night!
okay ... doesnt mean im doing it.
Well whatever, I won't labour the point. I just thought I'd let erudition know that I have a similar opinion on this topic
My point was more hypothetical. Actual L7 attacks happen on the service side (OSRS), not an ISP node. At the ISP, you’re only ever talking L3/L4 filtering.
I should've just said L3/L4 filtering.
I agree with Deaod. When Thor's connection drops it's normally 'cos there's some west coast chicanery happening and it kills the entire power grid yipeee
I also think it's entirely possible that at the specific time OSRS was attacked, Thor's upstream node wasn't
(unless Thor does in fact have 2 ISP subs which I mentioned before is a thing some streamers do)
Regardless thanks @warm trench for the chat!
Oh well apologies then, I thought you were skeptical that the ISP was being DDoSed
Sure! I hope you learn and anything I can say is, not understanding something can cause a crucial assumption preventing understanding. Accept a premise and play it out more maybe.
That's fair, I came in specifically to stress-test the premise. Otherwise we’d all just be nodding along. Appreciate the back and forth.
I missed yesterdays end of stream. Was there any mention of a stream today due to AoC Phase 3 being live?
I know khronos is. But unsure about thor
IIRC, he was gonna do Heartbound stuff and release the update today
I'm not feeling well and can't sleep, does OSR have a mobile app?
I think so? Though I can't imagine playing mobile games is conducive to sleep.
It's not but my stomach isn't going to let me sleep even if I wanted to
Oh hey. Nice.
yeah, I grabbed it so I could play for short bursts of time
Hot tip don't ever even entertain the idea of a reschedule for something you're on a waiting list for they will cancel it without asking
If they say you can they're lying
Rescheduled to "never"
Next appointment: February 31st 2022
i wonder if thor is still slapping that crab
I bet he is
The crab slapping never ends
Dammit Raul. Kowtow.
I would be disappointed if Thor isn't at minimum crab slapping after finishing his Agility laps.
Slap those crabs!
🍔
🌮

Soon, the only reason to use android might go away...
i use it because its cheaper than iphone, but I'm gettin real mad that sometimes i just find it's trying to install shit i dont want.
I do NOT want candy crush or facebook, STOP
absolutely but with every peice of tech not just the phones
need to go back to razer flip phones
Like really though. Receiving phone calls on flip phones is so cool though. Flick open with one hand.
now to convince the big tech companies that we want anti-tech tech
Better yet, convince Valve to get into the telecom market. Convince them to make proper operating systems and payment processing while you're at it.
How long until the "where's the September update?" trolling starts?
already started I'd think
...it's not even September
no wait first would have to be "nothing really got updated"
Where's the easter egg of thor singing september by earth wind and fire that only appears on the 21st night?
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Thor Derangement Syndrome became a real medical condition requiring professional psychiatric help
Monthly updates are hell even for larger teams but this is just a solo project at this point.
maybe now we can call him Mr President
Happy thorsday to you too
I think my next phone might be a Google pixel with graphene os or something
Although idk if I'd do it until the warranty ran out
We can make it worse by putting his face everywhere secretly make the haters go mad by making them see his face everywhere where it shouldn’t be. 
Its the perfect job for https://discord.com/channels/162034058736435201/654955494460358656
Jinkies!
New campaign for thor chan to work on
I just had an evil idea...and no...will not speak it
Is it putting the face using deep fake tech?
......Ummm.....
They get it.
I think doing it for your or other's amusement is all in good fun, but to purposefully torment someone isn't a great idea.
Have one of those skywriting planes draw his face in the sky.
Where's the delay of the September update due to Silksong's release date?
Remember that time Thor was slap'n crabs and leaping from roof top to roof top? Those were the good 'ol days.
Still is you just dont get to see it

Thor to play Tina Belcher in Bob's Burgers live action version confirmed
The question is.. do I eat these vienna sausages with or without canned cheese?
The question is, do you drink the sausage water?
Trick question, you spray the cheese directly into your mouth, the sausages are just a distraction
You mix the cheese with the sausage water
Hmmm... I do know the sausage water stings because I slice my finger on the can trying to get those little fricks out...
Either way, thats a struggle meal if I've ever seen one.
Late night ultra lazy snack..
It's clearly fine dining. Vienna sausage sounds foreign, gotta be fancy
Spam isn't even a struggle meal anymore. Meat and cheese are expensive.
With
Never tried spam before, but I feel like it might not even be in my Top 3 meat obelisks.
Spam is just processed ham. It doesn't even have a lot of preservatives because it's canned.
I'll try a can of potted meat once in a great while. Made the mistake and got beef tripe...
Its square bologna
I mean, one is undeclared beef tripe.
Top 1 is Leberkäs. By a longshot.
What was that one canned meat people used to eat a lot, used for SoS
And I dont accept different opinions in this
Chipped beef I think
Beef hash
(I think the true answer is any preserved beef)
I just use normal breakfast sausage for SoS now
Spam needs a good sear before implementation into a meal
Pan fried spam n eggs
Spam egg cube
Brian David Gilbert warned me not to do this, but he is not my dad, so I did it anyway. And now I really regret it.
If you want some of Brians' more palatable recipes, chek out his original videos here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt8uLveDY24
Sorry for the bad audio in the last part. I forgot to turn on my shotgun-mic, and I couldn't bring...
Although, 1 ring bologna sliced up and sauteed along with red onions, bell peppers and tomatoes is my go to.
Yeah i make a great meat gravy for SoS using sausage we season our own ground pork (effectively bread roll biscuits and meat gravy for those that dont know the acronym “shit on a shingle”)
If you use biscuits and sausage gravy it's essentially just a BnG
Take bread that is almost stale and toast it. Make a creamy flour gravy with little to no flavor other than salt and pepper and butter. Mix in dried beef and heat, Pour over the toast.
I mean whats bread slices but a biscuit 
For the rustic experience
Bread is yeast leavened, biscuits are usually baking powder
Look at this thing and tell me its not peak meat obelisk.
A "shortbread"
reminds me of cheesy bologna where there is bits of cheese in it, all sliced up.
we make butter sourdough biscuits so to me they are just bread but i get that
Gah - core memory unlocked, craving for pickle loaf bologna activated...
Jalapeno cheddar sausages are amazing
Nah - that's stuff is nasty.
You take that back
Its like slurping salty spit
I wonder if Thor would rank unholy meat obelisks on stream?
Also, does a KFC double/triple down count?
Yeah, I would devour that
Oh that reminds me of something we do in the US. Meatloaf sandwiches
MEATLOAF sandwiches - YES
Good home recipe meatloaf on a good fresh baked loaf of bread slices
Think everyone does those.
If not as meatloaf sandwiches than as rissole/meatball sandwiches
Last I heard the US/Canada were the only places that make meatloaf
Which is pretty much the same thing.
Then I also like shreded roasted beef on bread with mash potatoes and gravy. Roast beef "sandwiches"
Looks like it's a technique and not exclusive to meat
Hot beef sandwich
Trying every nations original spiced meatball/loaf should be on everyones bucketlist.
In the southern US we batter and deep fry just about anything, including Oreos, ice cream, whole sticks of butter...
Real problem with the US is, you dont have a word for hamburger shaped meatballs.
Salsbury steak, no?
hamberger shaped meatballs is like saying hamberger shaped hamburger balls
A salisbury steak has bread crumbs and eggs just like a meatball, but a hamburger patty doesn't.
Salsbury steak is probably the closest.
But people automatically assume its the whole dish with the sauce etc.
We need a word for just the meat in Salsbury steak.
making a large seasoned ball of hamburger was called an itallian meatball even though it wasn't an italian meatball growing up.
Oh, there's a type of hamburger that specifically had bread crumbs in from a time of economic recession when meat was very expensive. It was from one of George Motz's videos about regional hamburgers.
I make egg loaf
I forget what the type was though
Meat ball but as a loaf
basically - but then spices, ketchup and a1/Worcestershire sauce. onions, bread, eggs - loaf it and about half a bottle of ketchup on top. baked until done and the ketchup has carmalised a bit.
😋
wait - is this Calm Deez Nuts? a choral deez nuts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MZwu4kOKE
Cantus performs Camille Saint-Saëns' "Calme Des Nuits" in December 2018 at the Chapel of St. Thomas Aquinas in St. Paul, MN.
Video credit: Nate Haustein and Flight Creative Media
linktr.ee/cantussings
Perfect. Can't us calm deez nuts?
Hoping Thor will give the release a go. It's now out, and he played it on stream and interviewed the Dev;
Farmer: “This is fine”
Pre-Cooked Food, Fresh from the Farm
Fresh baked whole grain bread
It looks really good, I hope the game gets a lot of traction
Me too. Really enjoying it so far.
You’re making me want hatch green chilis again, they’re SO HECKIN GOOOD
So much food talk when I was sleeping...sigh.
Hooray! Stay safe!
Ho-Meow-ner
No kidding. Monthly updates are a pain
gifting turbo subs!? https://fixupx.com/zachbussey/status/1960864625362117097

yep can confirm
I wonder if Thor would enjoy this game.
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no need to link games anymore, osrs has like 10,000 hours of content - we're set
10,000 hours if you speedrun it. Take your time and you'll be set for 20 years
can confim it does let you gift it, but the target is still unaware, or not said anything.. so unsure if it notifies you when you get one lol
LA Noire! I think Thor would love that game too
A classic
If you repeat 1 minute of content 60 times to get something, is it 1 minute of content, or an hour? 
already a hype train
I think I accidentally started that one
my prime sub had lapsed
Lmao
7s have been seen so if thor starts the stream in the next 4 minutes we can continue from this one
Also twitch slightly changed the hype train UI. There is now a little green check mark when you've earned the hype train emote, clearing up a little confusion around that
there's the live so I guess you get your wish
had to reload, hope it remembers I donated bits
I wonder if OSRS will be the background obsession when he's not playing a different MMO
or if he'll move on at some point
F
Did he accidentally shut off the stream?
So it did die
ddos dude up early I guess...
Hit em real hard today
Oh the ferret stream is also out
Hes been saving his own spirit bomb
oh, power cut then...
What just happened?
stream died....Thor offline....internet dead?
might be a badly timed power outage
might be, cause the ferret stream is also down
But the stream is still up?
so I get my first sign of silence
ferts stopped running on the wheel, thus power ran out 🙁
Nerfed. Knew the spirit bomb of exp would be too stronk
power outages seem to be all too common in his area
That must be extra frustrating.
unless he's not with PSE as a customer, don't see too too much on their reported outages
https://www.pse.com/en/outage/outage-map
Report a power outage to Puget Sound Energy or see where the power is out. You can use the PSE outage map to see current outages, as well as restoration times. Restoration times are estimates. During a major storm, it can take 24 hours or longer to provide updated information on power restoration.
Going live and 10 min later it all goes
Maybe Winky sent someone to cut Thors power :3
Lol the Twitch chat saying to give mods bread
yep
Yep
JUST AS MY INTERNET CAME BACK ON
lol
GOD DAMNIT IT SPECTRUM
You stole his internet
I LOST My STREAK
nah
Donuts
streak is probably fine
Like 7 min on youtubes side
I hope so 😭
ive been trying to beat my old record of like 23 I think
only 1 specturm can be up at once lol
iirc the stream needs to be at least 30 min to keep your streak
I ment spectrum Internet
yea, me too lol
the only real choice of good speed internet where im at
Spectrum sending me stuff to try to get me to switch to them is my fav junk mail to destroy 😄
I have never seen the mod named Sophie before. Are they new or just not active in chat?
thankfully wa don't have any of the big companies up here for internet. Got GCI and ACS
shhh, dont let gma hear you say that...
she scawry
It's too late for them now...
wait just looked it up, its owned by liberty broadband
...that I've never seen Sophie before? I am The Confused
shes been here as long as i have been, i do know they do take vacations and have differnt days off..
according to my own tracker he was live for 9m 39s so there's no way streaks should be lost
wowz lol
that tracker updates like once per second too so the margin of error is literally 20 seconds
so this will be a concurent views killer stream :D?
well margin of error is 1 second, but the margin without error is 20 seconds, if that makes sense
Think I have time to watch KPop Demon Hunters and obsess over how cute [redacted] is?
english is not my first language
guess its back to killin bugs then
I'm gonna go watch KPop Demon Hunters lol
thor was playing osrs with private set to On yesterday. Spotted both winky and thor in agility arena. Winky was catching up rapidly to Thor's level. I wonder if Thor will say anything about their "competition" being tight today
he did, winky has passed him i belive, but thor has like 1500 agi tickets lol
Its only tight because hes been savubg his tickets
Hes gonna exodia obliterate winky later
winky should have 0 tickets too because he was only doing spikes, so hopefully Thor's tickets will be enough
inb4 winky is the one who cut thor's internet/power so he can have a better chance 
lol
Thors just gonna grind via 5g
ah yes, Winky with a broken collar bone is hiding in a wet Washington Ditch somewhere with giant cable cutters slicing fiber lines like an ACME villian
Is the isp getting attacked again or is it smth else this time?
i mean.. makes sence.
Probably power lines
<frantic kinger noises> Bug collection?
Power lines? Is there a storm over there?
Unless its a huge spirit bomb attack from the ddoser but
Sometimes wind just breaks tree branches
Not according to the NWS
https://www.weather.gov/sew/
Or someone hitting a power pole
stop hitting on power poles. they have feelings too
they didn't say power problems, specifically internet problems
Did I lose my stream streak lol
Power poles, powered by pierogi and k-word
don't know for sure, but current theory is no
from what we know the streak should be fine because he wasn't live for 10 minutes, but we can't really know for sure until he goes live again
the vod for the stream is 9 minutes, 5 seconds long

do we know what happened?
WE LIVE AGAIN RELOAD
he's back
aight
The border router for his region went down. (he called his ISP)
I swaer
Stream isn't up on yt side yet.
I like how you can tell he's already in game not just cause of the music but because his stats are on the side of the stream
Yep LOL
huh, stream also remembered that I was a hype train conductor
Yt side of the stream is back up now, yea.
Makes sense, the Hype Trains aren't based on him being live iirc
what are the Brimhaven tickets 1528?
lol, always love the greenscreeen joke
eh
though there was that clip of his (I'm assuming) blue screen falling over, revealing the room behind
Is discord serving me ads
If you mean through "Quests", then yes lol
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Ok just gonna clear something up about kraft singles cause its brought up every time
Kraft singles are not called cheese anywhere on the package, they are called "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product"
though you can buy real "Pastgurized Processed American Cheese" from kraft, they are called deli slices
what's actually in kraft singles?
they don't have a large enough percentage of milkfat to be considered cheese by the FDA
american food labelling regulations are quite strict
and yet food dye is prolithic
I said labelling, not ingredients
also Chubby Eletron man yay
also europe is not immune from synthetic food dye
i mean, aside from the phosphates, I kinda know what the others are
IMO europe hides whats actually in food by hiding ingredients behind E numbers
imo, people are too worried about "companies adding too many chemicals in food"
exactly
i can make my own sodium citrate in the kitchen
admittedly, that one's been normalized and doesn't carry as much stigma as the others
but once I started looking into what those things actually are, I just go "those things exist in food anyway"
and actually the FDA now wants to phase out petroleum based synthetic dyes. That includes red 40, which isn't actually baned in europe
but I should probably move on from this topic, as its a bit hot-button on tiktok
This needs to become a poster.. with like. OSRS needs YOU!!
any artists up for a challenge
I really hate that part of Thor's strategy is to purposely trip on spikes
and it's the same set of spike 2 or 3 times
and we're down again
Back up again on yt
New OSRS skill: Tripping
twitch back up as well
does this mean that I'm gonna get 3x the amount of ads?
it's frustrating to watch
Is OSRS something to actively watch outside of milestones? 
I'm brand new to cursed quests..
Is it enough that I just sent in the ticket, or do I have to click this "claim" button? Or am I supposed to completely leave that button alone?
Making the ticket is all you needed to do!
👍
The claim button is only relevant to moderators
Very unsure why I can even see it then, but alright
That's the nature of how Discord works, we can't really display things in a channel for Mods only 
discord is still better than IRC or teamspeak
I'm surprised Teamspeak is still around
for a while yt gaming groups used mumble, but I'm sure all of them are on discord now
stuff like discord being so much better than the competitors is why I don't like breaking up companies who got popular simply by being the best at what they do
sighhhhhhhhhhhhh
soooo tired of these people, like wth why are people bring back "out of mana"
they have nothing better to do
Because trolling is no longer an art, but a brute force attack
Like ramming a square peg into a round hole
that metal image makes me happy
everything goes in the square hole
I think they mean the scene from idiocracy
I fell asleep with the stream on and dreamt that I was watching thor alone in person. When I had to go do other things he refused to let me leave till I found a replacement
while you were distracted a mod had glue you to your 'chair' your sitting on
what nintendo boss is this
I need that clip from top gun maverick when Mav and Rooster lock down to the earth but its Winky and Thor doing the agility race
I've got a quick 'n dirty PNG of this image for anyone who wants to make something from it
I can only think of that abe lincoln poster used for recruiting
"We want YOU to drink some water"
Are you talking about uncle Sam?
yeah
saving that one immediately
I haven't had a chance to watch today. Has Thor said what his opinion is of AoC of what he played so far?
The only thing i've heard is he didn't like the drop rate, but now they increased the drop rate in this patch so 
Interesting. Ill probably hop on for a bit this weekend. Haven't had the energy this week (I had some pretty extensive dental work done last week and today is the first day I dont feel like hiding in a hole).
Oog dental work sucks. But i've been having fun! Way better than p2.5 start. Waaaay better. Some big lighting errors though, that resolve once you leave starting area.
Interesting. Yeah 2.5 was when I basically stopped playing. And yeah, super impacted wisdom tooth, roots from another tooth that needed to be finished removed, and then the 4 bottom front teeth removed. So yeah, lots of fun adventures there. Im also 43 so I have learned that the older you get the more wisdom teeth suck when they are removed.
i found if you toggle raytracing and lumen on/off it automagically fixes the lighting issues I had
I reckon the lower drop rate and no vendor equipment will work in the long term for a healthy economy, is just no-one's set up for bulk crafting and trading yet
could do with an auction house in the starting area though to ease the early crafting pain maybe?
need grem skins
winky and thor atm
Yeah its going to be interesting when the general public buys the game cause I expect there to be some weird backlash. People who start day 1 are going to come into a game that has no economy, no established trade, nothing. ITs going to take a week or two before any of that gets even semi established, but I wonder if the public will be willing to stick around that long.
Its too lste for me to try that, but i hope thwt can help someone here 👀
No on the starting area auction house, that would make way too many people stay on starting areas and crash all of us with more potatoes as computers 
if I was devs I'd start the full release server as alpha/beta testers only for the first week or two, just so there's some apprentice stations up and things on the market when genpop get on
good point - I suppose that's why the crafting stations are so far apart, incentivise peeps to get out into the world
Also we're a few years out from real release. Im not worried about the beginner systems for aoc because thats often something dealth with later when all actual game systems are in
my only real complaint so far this restart is no crude shortbow in the start spawn (unless I missed it)
had to run about gathering mats and craft one just to start killing my first mobs
wasn't going to be wasting any xp on longbow... longbow sux 😆
I thought the starting area had all the weapons
Ah fair, yeah the spellbows I think were an issue last time as well.
Im pretty sure that one is not intentional- but im uncertain 
I had played bard in phase 1 and 2, and played rogue at 2.5 for like 10 levels. I may do rogue again just to get it beyond level 10 until summoner comes up
Bard is best 
damn I just missed it then
ah well, I crafted one up and am now annihilating the starting mobs
anyone know if any of the quests have been fixed this update? lots of broken starter quests for me last time round, I've been avoiding picking them up this time just in case
Yes, actually a lot of quest have been improved!
ranger crew represent wut wut!
More quest markers
Yeah, I really enjoyed the bard so im torn. I may do that just so that way when the sub classes or whatever come out im already ready for that.
Note: biggest change early game is surplus token quests are now dropping loot chests and a loot bag that givea you a choice of armourpieces or a weapon/sheild
is that what they are? right click to open?
Yep!
i got loads of them, thought they'd be used for crafting or a quest I didn't have yet
gonna gear up after tea
woot!
heck yeah
Althought the loot bag is more rare(reward from completing the surplus quests), the chests are misc loot (from both quests and commissions)
BUT the chests sometimes drop recipes too
Heh the more I have been watching Thor play, the more I think im going to wait a bit to hop on.
That is also very fair
servers have been rough for about the past 24 hours
you all dont do that?
I never used to until I saw the light
now I always do
Atleast this time all 6 drives move =) ... just trust me, they all totally move, no need to check.
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I fully respect that the creator decided to include the doorstopper sound in the video 
Hey guys long time no see why are people still post vids od "the satisfying end of Piratesoftware"
What is it now
Why is the thor drama nevef ending
"Mom, it was my turn to make drama slop"
I'm out of the loop because I've just been drowning in Travelers Rest
Don't worry about it. 99.99% of them is old stuff being recycled.
Did people jump on him again tho that twitch lost 25 percent of their veiwers because they nuked the bots
Not really. Its just hate raids and ddos attacks on OSRS while thor is streaming playing the game
that's...
dare I say, more of a jerk move than they say thor does
The funny thing is that the hate raid is blaming thor for the ddos attacks cause he the hackerman or some shit. Yet, he likes playing the game
whatever the end result of all this is or whoever's right or whatever, they should keep this as a clinical case of the backfire effect
people arguing their point so vehemently it pushes people away from agreeing, even beyond who you're arguing to
They call Thor a bad programmer, but at the same time...ddos, yeah he did it.
Doesn't even makes sense.
they usually try not to contradict themselves at least, strange
is the implication that he's paying some dark web nonsense for a botnet to DDOS RuneScape... while he's on his own stream... as a smear campaign?
what in the name of occam's razor
Classic throwing shit on the wall and see if it sticks
that's not even classic
that's the express version
that's the Monopoly Go-alike
I think the stream has gotten better after the vacation. There are only easy ones like b(lizard), mana etc. And mods get them quickly anyway.
Nah the reasoning is that they don't want him as part of the community because they believed all the lies quindoxxer spread
Other OSRS creators jumped on the hate train with their communities too
how many do you know of? cursory yt search for just OSRS didn't turn up anything, so it doesn't seem like it's getting traction compared to other stuff if videos are being made about it
I saw a recent review for heartbound that claimed it hadn’t been updated in a year. Where in the world did they get that info from because that’s not true
The drama farmers who keep parroting it without ever bothering to check
I should have known
Heartbound was, and emphasis on was, left without updates for so long that Steam flagged it as an abandoned early access title
And that was part of what gave Thor the kick in the pants to stop back-burner'ing the game and get back to work
Which he admitted and apologized for in a pair of videos near the start of this year
So….why are people still pissed

Because its react culture
Because they want a reason to be mad
They see negative thing be popular, they parrot negative thing
They are angry because they are mad 
Lmao
Its fine. The wall of cul-i mean supporters can drown out a good amount of the chat hoppers and drama freeloaders so
Itll never go away entirely but one day nature will heal
Apparently I can't clip the video, but here's the segment where he talks about it
https://youtu.be/Z1dh49O6LNM?t=573
No matter what it costs.
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What a load. I’m sorry Thor
as a freeloader myself I want nothing to do with drama freeloading or anything it has to offer
Im technically a freeloader
freeloaders united against drama
But im also not farming thor for content, or to post my pathetic banned for [message] statements on reddit 
You're right, the game did go for a year without updates but he was already working on Heartbound again and had updated the game about two weeks before Steam made the change to label things as abandoned. However, Thor kinda got screwed because he put the patch in the beta version for a month and steam didn't count that as an actual update, it had to be in the full version.
Ah, I'd missed that bit of info, thank you
I don't know where thor is looking for his avocados or what kind, cause a large avocado is $3.99 here and I live in Alaska. Shit's expensive up here
Ok i found this gif
Wtf he cut the avocado like that?
looked at the fred meyer website, its $3.79 near him, so he must be looking exclusively at like farmers markets or whole foods
at least vaugely near him, no idea quite how far he is
thor just found out about the cbt command 
how are you people so fast with these things?
He better impress shaye with that casserole
meme generator website
ah, and you just slap thor's face on top
Also I have done doordash in my area. military guys found a cheat code for doordash by ordering a few days worth of taco bell at once and reheating it
although I'm not sure how good taco bell would be reheated
Tyler1 dent
CURSED
Enjoy
THORnail
JESUS MIRROR XD

can i get STL?
Print it
this give me an idea. Winky face on the smallest toe. the winky toe!
Big Thoe.
I want to... print just that face, and put it on my 3D printer's printing head. So I can see that face flying around while it prints.
PLEASE YES
Let me print it 
omg
Dew it 
this mans
that is amazing
Mirror is gonna kill me with laughter at this rate XD
Mr SoftHair
I still don't get what the pregnant emoji reaction is for
🫃
have any other cursed thor things, mirror?
Very skibidi
also thorby
so many
thorby
Thorby

any Stl files? XD
BEGONE, FOUL HELLSPAWN!!!
oops

👀 saw that
wrong one
“He delivers”

toes from another angle
oh good heavens its 3d
Mirror pls 

Puffrect for 0.2mm nozzle 😄
needs to be your next 3d print
Oh youre 3d printing that arent you?
oh yeah, its always 3D. Thor made the mistake of giving me a cursed quest to sculpt his face.
I'm sorry he had a WHAT CAM?!
3D print that and send it to thor to go with the head
So it is already done? I wanted to do it myself at some point...
Or send it to Shaye so Thor can't get rid of it.
yeah the head he showed on stream is the print
Painted or multicolor?
Me when ever I find the bastard who got me into my current mindset it was me
I painted it. Printed in resin.
That's why the quality was so awesome....
It's so pours
Holy!
an ancient horror resurfaces (dont worry its #rules)
yep full skin texture.
risky click of the day
😁
no flared base though
thats the digital file w/o teath or eyes
that is a disturbing level od detail
So if you do some volume inside, add water it can be sweaty trough pores...
you said it not me
this is what happens when character artists are unemployed LOL
Gummy thor 
Fleshy Thorret
I love the context was on corncob tombstones
CURSED
that one is cool
new merch xD
Thor has the finished 3D print of the Thorret as well
thorret plush when?
Is the face that hard plastic baby dolls have?
Oh I'm thinking beanie baby back end, with a solid head
YOOOOOO new pokemon 
shouldn't faces be bigger to fit the whole egg?
why does it have to be shiny?
Ah a rare Exegguthor...
Im sending this printed tomorrow with some other stuff
Need more Threggs!
why is it kinda cute
Thor needs his own labubu
Thorbubu
omfg
@silent compass you are doing some awesome job xD
ty!
we need thor as a tellytubby
any chances for public .stl files?
Btw have ancient meme for this glorious gift
I am looking forward to doing some cursed stuff of my own in the future. One of these days. XD
there it is. Thats what the Thorret looks like with all its parts
No we need him as a jet plane 
there is also
ouh, banana!
oh no, not that. anything but that
[jay jay flashbacks intensify]
Nothing beats BIG HAM though
Maybe thor should be the live action thomas the tank engine 🤔
Can you add hammer?
finally found what I was looking for- whoever asked about me printing Henry,
and here is the halloween version
Oh gosh, so cute
I dont always make horible cursed things
@silent compass Little Ham, needs Little Ban Hammer, as accessory
I hate this so much

maybe one day ill 3d model it 
technically, Little Ham could give BIG HAM one, He has two prints of it
Yeah they're forever sitting next to me on my desk
God your just like summoned lol
doxxing my desk and keyboard 
ITS THE ONLY GOOD PICTURE I HAVE
I'm always here 
resin printing is another league comparing to standard ones...
it do be
and that's good resin for sure
"located"
I have both types, but I do all my high detailed stuff on my resin machines
MATT!
Sophie jealous
Reminds me of this i saved
Evere present
Sophie need
soon Sophie, Soon.
Listen, I've always felt something missing from my life. And now I know
it's a 3D printed Henry
my 2 months off from work starts soon and I can start making and printing fun stuff again
yay fun!
I need additional role for notifications for your designs 😄
personal newsletter
take all my emails
Hand delivered
glitter and butterfly pop out when it opens
I see you get my crazy thoughts
boyfriend left for the weekend so I'm all alone with the two cats, Suki has already had her morning crazy
she'll run into a room, scream so you think someone is murdering her and when you rush to her aid she'll just look at you
no thoughts
just screams
exactly 😄
I love her so much
and I fall for her screams every day
one of our girls does that, runs through the house growling and screaming like a gremlin for NO reason at all
Drama queen?
boyfriends cat used to do that, especially once the lights were out. Go into another room (leave the humans behind) and then yell and scream and complain and ask where everybody is
but he also loved to sit on top of cardboard boxes and scream
he was an orange cat, I think that answers every question
oh yeah
100% answered
ours are all black cats, so I have no idea what the excuse is for the gremling growl/screaming
I have an orange cat shes adorable
we have two that basically are twins and then a big fluffy maincoon boy
Dina is black (well she is brown but appears black) and Suki is white/black/kinda mixed ...so.... idk
the two girls though are both shorthair and unless they are standing up, you can't tell the difference.
one has a long tail and sleek fur, the other a shorter tail and fluffy fur
my parents still think hey are identical though
I petition a pregnant twitch emote that is needed
the pregnant man emote is available through bttv
great
and honestly its a prerequisite at this point for using twitch
Its short for Better Twitch TV. You can also install FrankerFaceZ and 7TV emotes along with bttv
Don't know if there are any near thor, but a first care clinic would be a better option for what happened to shaye. Generally there are no real bad emergencies happening there so you tend to be looked at quicker
might also be called urgent care
@silent compass have you considered doing cat-ears extensions for Thor headphones?
Lore-accurate 
already done, shiping out tomorrow
Shaye and I have been plotting for a while
chat, what is this kind of graph called? I forgot
You've printed all memes and lore items of Thorverse
Also resin?
nah thats PLA
Mirror I thought you were amazing, and innocent - the quintessential chat mum. Now I learn that you're just as cursed and broken as the rest of us.
oh I'm very cursed.
I'm just also a mom
Cursed mom 😄
I mean I make dolls for a living. can't get much more cursed than that
Like models - 3d printing and so on? Or for kids?
I hope to do some Hueforge as a service stuff in the near future. But good lord Hueforge plates can be so complex to print. 
yeah 3D printing. I run a 3D printing buisness and I specalize in character work.
That explains your masterwork...
so like articulated dolls, figures, busts, minature work etc.
Chance for a link on dm so i can look up?
I've seen them - they're so amazing.
my website is in my profile, but most of my production work isn't on that website. A lot of my stuff is done under full licensing agreements which means I'm not actually listed as the sculptor.
nope, I get paid a ton though for that.
its fairly standard
phat stacks
think about all the different companies that make like anime figures, or high end articulated figures, only sometimes do you see the sculptor listed, and its usually for like really highend special edition stuff
paying to silence an artist's recognition... I can't even begin to express the poor taste in my mouth from that
because i'm not technically the character designer, just the sculptor for the model files, it works a bit different
It's like construction work from the building blueprint
Yes, but you still made the model, yes?
They can just have both listed
I do have work where I am both the character designer and sculptor and I get listed for those as the artist, but generally when a design house is getting art turned into model files, unless it's like a really specalized project, the sculptor isn't being listed unless they are also designing the character
architect gets the credit, builder gets the blame..
trust me I get paid well for the lack of credit.
Its called a full rights release clause.
and its a % of the cost of the project or a flat fee depending on the contract.
I was so hyped for chaos fire witch, but I realised that it no longer scales with fire dmg and its not that good
777 awww yus
nice
this is how it was when i was in toy design too, normal for industry
reminds me of that time disney just sold some guys sculpt as official merch
was a tiki sculpt in kinda the style of lilo and stitch
and some person at disney just joinked and scrubbed it
Thor and Winky gonna be built like this by the end of the arch
I am going to do a CaliCAT for my 0.25mm nozzle, then I'm going to try printing a 50mm x 43mm Thorface.
I'll take the results to the 3D printing channel. 
wow I'm bad at wording shit on twitch
I meant that its happening less cause of valorant, not twitch
so thor if you read this I do apologize
i'm confused, why was this message removed? Some new thing they're going for?
you probably got friendly fired.
You can make an unban request on twitch
not me 
just noticed it getting deleted with seemingly nothing wrong
Probably what mirror said, got friendly fired
Pirate just did a TTS where someone referred to a video of him talking about writing stories and about Obsideon. What video would this be? (sorry to interupt)
old thing they're going for
nvm, got it answered. thanks
hey can you send the vids in chat too?
could be friendly fire, but I doubt
at a glance I'd assume they're trying to stir up WoWgate again?
long time ago in I think Ashes there was a group wipe and thor got angry about it cuz of a pull that shouldn't have happened and like 15 minutes later after seeing the clip he apologized about that cuz it was a stray bullet that pulled them
Am i the only one who cant use yarrGoblin and yarrKobold?
2025 internet has a long memory for dumbass bs after all
I see it on twitch chat but i cant use it in chat
I can't either. Not even with refresh 
But yarrGlue i can use
Is that a coaster?
I can scale it large enough to be. But this one I printed 50mm tall, about two inches tall. 
Ok now i can use yarrGoblin and yarrKobold

If you're curious what it is EXACTLY, it's called a Hueforge - name of the software used to make them. Can take a photo and recreate it in 3d printer filament, by blending colours layer by layer. Then you export an STL file to print, and a set of instructions to swap to X colour on layer Y, next colour at layer Z, etc.
Neat!
Its in twitch chat
Pog
Me no have Twitch sub
Me youtube member

Me anggy

@opaque raven @teal zodiac let’s fight

Wait this just got added right
ye
Yup
I'm a bit out of the loop with the new glue emote (they very cute and angry) what's the lore behind it?

I think its from admiralbahroo's glue emote
ferrets got into Bahroo's glue stash
Yeah this

Ahh ok!
Naughty ferrets 


ok this is weird: when I type kobold into the gif button, I get gifs of leprechauns
Well theres some kobolds and some leprechauns

Kobolds in mythology are most visually similar to leprechauns
why are we laughing 
Man. I'm too tired for this shit, I gotta head out in a bit and my phone's not even halfway charged 
I feel like this might be Thor after playing Dune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1353762927148273778/1411410854070587472/IMG_4357.jpg?ex=68b48e4a&is=68b33cca&hm=df3ce6a34d2ea248b8591180181e377aff1209a8ee27023f9e844441b2f9e467&
winky chair
Crossing my fingers we get the cat ear headphones reward mostly because I need to see what Nelas does with that for Khronos's streams
Stream chat on Twitch still not emoji only...
Thorchat ain't in Emote only mode!
fixed now, thx Felix
Debt Tracker still hasn't fired off
That's on Thor and his mighty streamdeck 😄
Man is too busy toemaxxing and finding ways to improve the tech
Or it's Shaye
Also likely
maybe he just didnt hit the button cuz he was too busy tying shaye up and buckling them into the car
Debt Tracker has fired off!
I guess it's just good that it's not double posting again
that was weird when it happened
what is the debt tracker about?
People pay to do TTS, if he doesn't get to the TTS he donates that money to charity instead of keeping it.
so the debt counts the amount he will donate but hasn't yet?
Well, there used to be an actual amount and then he'd put recipts for it and reset it to zero
Yeah, its currently negative because he overspent about 4.2K on charity a couple years ago.
and then he bought a skull at auction for charity
i couldnt find the particular short but
did he put an eyepatch on it? 😄
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From what I've noticed, he lets it build up to a few thousand then donates a larger amount.
Oh I have a question, what are people doing with body pillows where the idea of a cute ferret one is deeply frowned upon

what
Dakis are generally lewd, so you do the math
Do they really not have sfw ones?
Not really
Weird
i mean a ferret body pillow just means a huge huggable ferret it is not the same
Well they don’t have images on them generally. body pillows do exist
You could make a ferret sized pillow/plush and no one would even bat an eye
yeah
In my head im thinking about bunch of them in a pile as a design on a long pillow you can have go across the bed
In that case just make it a normal pillow size
Duvets?
Interbutts says they're called shams. https://soffipillows.com/what-is-the-decorative-pillow-case-called/
always has been
This is why I stay offline and let my twin handle all of it lol
ugh, I hate doing job applications. Working on them for just 5 minutes makes my brain hurt
If you're doing online applications, 150% chance they're being processed by AI that filters out anything that doesn't match the exact keywords.
Not the best thing to say to someone applying lol
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It reminded me a lot of ashes of creation
You have to be sure your application isn't just being automatically trashed.
Being out Ye'old English
I did it! I won the horse girl game after 100s of races!
Sorry, got no one else to share it with.
Fully FTP by the way...
Congrats🎉
Noon.
Now do it again with every horsegirl

Especially Haru Urara
Good. Now get the other URA trophies
Again, as I am new to cursed quests.
How will I know if it's been seen, once the ticket is in?
And what else should I expect? I often hear Thor say something about voting, for example.
Voting happens on stream and infrequently.






