streamchat

[fleet rune]

This one feels more skillful to me, but- Who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog imp]

And find out how it works and what info someone can glean from it

Like an IP

[nova bough]

im betting on DDOS + IP Spoofing. and Jagex DDOS protection auto DC'ing Thor

[spice dome]

Thor living completely rent free in their heads

[fleet rune]

Malicious intent isn't directly tied to stupidity, and it's easy to hate a username over the internet

[devout lion]

But he can't have a life stalking Thor from 12-12

[lapis flame]

eh, Thor streams 9-21 CEST

[nova bough]

its also a saturday

[devout lion]

Sorry West coast

[fleet rune]

^ This

Doubt it's a coincidence that this suddenly started on a Saturday

[devout lion]

This started yesterday or the day before

[nova bough]

i wonder if its the dude that's been stalking Thor in game

[devout lion]

Oh I thought we already thought that?

[lapis flame]

i wonder what that persons internal narrative is

[nova bough]

maybe. i havent been here the entire time

[fleet rune]

Lots of ideas have been thrown around, and that has been one of them, so yes? lol

[nova bough]

fair

[lapis flame]

how can someone twist their logic so that its noble to do this to Thor

[devout lion]

What is their end goal? Like be on stream or stop it?

[lapis flame]

appears to be to stop it

[nova bough]

get him banned.

[late bane]

generally believing every single thing anyone puts out no matter how absurd or utterly false; fully outsourcing decision making

[nova bough]

my guess

[fleet rune]

Easy? "Stop Thor from playing/'tainting' OSRS"

[devout lion]

RuneScape won't listen to Thor

He's already reported many times

[lapis flame]

as opposed to all the other people jumping over from WoW?

[fleet rune]

I'd wager it's more of trying to discourage him from streaming it, or even just purely to ruin his day/stream

[lapis flame]

i dont know

[high canopy]

reports aren't handled right then and there

[hasty grail]

jagex can be a bit slow at times

also what Marlem said

[analog imp]

I was thinking about that one viewer who came in and said “I heard a rumor that you were going back to work at blizzard” from a YT clip, but couldn’t identify who they got the idea from…. They can’t even remember who is making the rumor, but they remember Thor

[devout lion]

I'm just repeating what thor says when I say he said something

[fleet rune]

There has been comments for a while now about how "the whole OSRS community doesn't want you" by trolls, after all

[nova bough]

i once got support for something in less than 10 minutes, and was massively suprised (was product support, not gaming). usually have to wait at least 24 hours for support.

[high canopy]

well yes, product support usually directly involves money

[nova bough]

unless its some huge company like amazon

[devout lion]

He's the one complaining idk

[analog imp]

The small vocal minority will always be more outspoken than the silent majority

[nova bough]

the 10 min one was a very small busniess. thats why i was surprised.

[muted oasis]

Hey. Just got another stream notification. Is everything ok?

[wheat sleet]

Nope, stream all done for today

[fleet rune]

Totally! But it'd only take one or two of those to do something like this, if they have the knowledge and know-how

[muted oasis]

Done 🙂 or done 🙁

[fleet rune]

Thor's okay, he just ended the stream early because of issues with OSRS, so he's cleaning the house instead

[wheat sleet]

Probably frustrated IMO

[fleet rune]

Absolutely

[river pivot]

Things went sideways with someone making a way to directly affect Thor's ability to play when OSRS was on screen (No one knows the method) Thor decided to just call it a day while the issue hopefully passes

[muted oasis]

Have a nice day too, then

[devout lion]

Wish he just switched games but I understand the runscape phase

[late bane]

Part of why this is so silly is it's getting to the point that people are watching years old content and coming in fresh from it. Like every time someone comes in asking about viewbotting I feel like it was likely generated by that actual viewbotting attack during the height of the craze where the top streamers were hitting 200k and it was obvious and people were pretending like the streamers were doing it themselves

[nova bough]

oh well. time to go do shit. like go to the store. groceries aint gonna buy themselves

[hasty grail]

just have your ai connected fridge do it.... oh wait

[nova bough]

thanks, i hate it

[rigid imp]

Do you guys always watch the stream? I usually listen to most of it

[analog imp]

Yaa.. like.. why would a popular streamer speed run getting banned by obviously viewbotting. That is possibly the dumbest thing anyone can ever think

[hasty grail]

youre welcome

[knotty marsh]

Fridge is too busy running Heartbound

[fleet rune]

I do both, depending on what I'm doing- I always have it on my second monitor if I'm at my PC, but I usually just listen if I'm on my phone

[rigid imp]

Yes, this is what I also do

[earnest mirage]

hope so. In the end they are using a 3rd party launcher with 3rd party plugins. The devs of the launcher are trusted by Jagex. They review their available plugins, but people can make mistakes or don't know all/new exploits.
I would definitely restart the network to get a new ip again and then try with just the vanilla launcher. If the issue still occurs , it's most likely an osrs issue, otherwise runelite and/or a plugin.

[muted oasis]

I just recently discovered I can listen to twitch with the phone screen blocked... Yes. It took me this long....

[fleet rune]

That's actually a setting on mobile! All the way at the bottom lol

It took me forever to find myself lol

[hasty grail]

Thor reinstalled the game and loaded it without runelite, issues still occured

anyways

[fleet rune]

Wasn't he using Runelite after the stream restarted, though?

[hasty grail]

a bit after

[carmine sierra]

The disconnect still happened on mobile while he was on wifi, so it wasn't the client

[hasty grail]

given i have no idea and nothing to add, im going to go do other things.... might try and continue grinding on RS3

[fleet rune]

Definitely wasn't the client causing it, but it might be how they're finding what to attack- I have no clue, though

Like finding the IP, if that's what they're doing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog imp]

Wait, what? I know I can slide the mini player off to the side

[fleet rune]

There's a setting for it, which you can change if it isn't set to "Always"

[swift star]

[late bane]

we all knew Gerald had it in him

[tender field]

"Shaye is exotic and was a vet assistant"

[wheat sleet]

Technically not wrong

[gentle sierra]

I had to step away for a bit - Did Thor end up having to end stream due to the OSRS issues? Damn shame if so.

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, took down the stream for about half an hour to troubleshoot, came back, and wasn't fixed

So he decided to just call it for the day

[gentle sierra]

Damn that sucks just due to the fact that some dirt bag was able to achieve what they were (probably) hoping for. I hope it all works out.

[hasty grail]

wouldnt surprise me if Thor also tries to do some digging on his end

[late bane]

yeah, the glass half full side would be that it seemed like Thor was rather interested in understanding what was going on

[wheat sleet]

It could just be whatever method he was going to use to track down the issue he didn't want to put on stream to potentially warn the attacker

[serene valley]

that'd be weird since the attacker was only doing it while he was streaming

[stark pier]

her a.i. bf defaulting to a serial killer. nothing to worry about i'm sure.

[waxen comet]

whats the OSRS issue?

im not tuned into the stream but i like to keep in touch

[late bane]

he was getting timed out whenever he displayed it on steram

he and Shaye

[waxen comet]

only them?

[late bane]

he could play just fine as long as it wasn't displayed

[waxen comet]

no one else?

sounds like a targeted attack

[late bane]

definitely

he did a bunch of experiments like he aimed the ant cam at the monitor and whenever the game was obviously in motion he would disconnect. He put up a runescape style image while playing and it did nothing

he'd openly talk about playing the game on his phone or just not on screen and there were no issues

[waxen comet]

that sucks

sounds like someone was being a but for the sake of being a butt bec of past opinions

[late bane]

yarg

[crisp burrow]

I went back to look at the vod, and it sucks that this was over the course of several hours

understandable to end stream after all that

[wintry vapor]

Wait so was the issue the game itself or the act of streaming it?

[serene valley]

the issue was someone somehow breaking the connection when the game was visible on stream

[wintry vapor]

Ohhh. Like a hacker attack?

[serene valley]

something like that yea

the going theory is that somehow they were automatically visually identifying whether RS was on screen, and when it was, they'd start up some attack to cause thor's connection to break, something like spoofing IP packets to cause the servers to stop serving thor

I bet they set up the detection so that they're not spending compute when not neccesary

[hazy storm]

I question the wisdom of hacking a former cyber security professional who has friends who are current cyber security professionals

But then if they were wise they wouldn't attempt this crap in the first place

[hasty grail]

the next step once you know whats going on is how to counter it

[distant escarp]

Why he stopped early i lost my Streak of 150+

[hasty grail]

go rewatch the vod

[distant escarp]

I’m sad. I hope everything is okay

[hasty grail]

thought they allowed you to do that now

[carmine sierra]

He kept getting disconnected from the game every time it was on screen for several hours

[distant escarp]

I’m not able atm to watch the vod

[hasty grail]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2547491829

this one?

[carmine sierra]

I think he probably means he's just not in a spot where he could watch it, not that he's incapable

[hasty grail]

ah

misread that then

[still dew]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I gathered happened: he started getting DCed from RuneScape. Seems someone was attacking his connection or something? He tried restarting his PC and the stream. It was less than a 30 minute gap, though, so any stream streaks that happened before are safe. The restart didn't fix it though, so he finished for the day.
Did I get that right?

[late bane]

sort of, it started after about 4 hours of everything normal though

[distant escarp]

Yes

[hasty grail]

targeting the IP connection because it did affect Shaye from what i heard

[hasty grail]

ah, sorry then

[distant escarp]

Humans. Why

[still dew]

Yeah, I caught the start of stream....partly because I'm paranoid of losing my streak when random stuff like this happens while I'm asleep 😭

[late bane]

you never know when a Shayensaw incident will occur

[sturdy lotus]

Hrrrrmh... I wonder if I lost my streak...

[gray fable]

Any good news?

[hasty grail]

all quiet since Thor stopp streaming

[muted robin]

They're probably just hardcore wow players tbh bc that fanbase literally is that toxic to be singlehandedly (or at least be the majority) driving a hate campaign

Blizzard and its fanbase are in competition for the group most likely to drive someone to suicide

Except blizzard the company did actually do that and its fanbase just attempts to, so I guess blizzard itself is still worse

[marsh forge]

damn, that sucks. i wanted to ask him if he heard of Void/Breaker - that game is awesome, i can't believe it was made by a single dev

[golden mulch]

I missed the streams earlier, and the VODs stop playing after a few minutes for me - but did Pirate try running wireshark and seeing what is going on in his network?

[muted robin]

I mean when that web drawing game page thing got defaced most of the vandalism was wow references so

[carmine sierra]

Meanwhile on my end, I left one comment on a tweet pushing back against the derangement against Thor, and almost immediately a guy with an orc profile pic shows up out of the blue to call me slurs

[serene valley]

he did yea, said the logs for his network had nothing special

[golden mulch]

damn, it's so weird. He removed the plugins he installed for RS too? I am not suggesting he do any of these things btw, just want to know if there was anything weird he found from that because the VODs aren't working for me

[carmine sierra]

He tried playing it on mobile over wifi, and it was still the same

Turned off wifi and did it over data, no issue

[terse pelican]

Sounds like Classic Twitter.

[hazy storm]

Knowing thor and his love for puzzles i suspect he was just as thrilled at a new challenge to figure out as he was annoyed someone was interrupting his stream

I could be wrong though. The annoyance level could've been much higher

[late bane]

yeah, it's probably a combination of that and wanting to be sure to isolate what the vulnerability is

like if he just switched to BitCraft or Dune without solving it maybe it's not an OSRS vulnerabilitya nd things get worse

[opaque otter]

God if that really is the case, why are people so horrible 🙁

[brisk sparrow]

ive noticed it with more and more shorts

[tender field]

These people see Thor as the bad guy. By messing with him, they think they are doing justice or some crap.

[dusky grove]

i saw another vid about it this morning. man, they really have nothing better to do, do thtey?

[tender field]

Haven't got that in my recommendations so far. And if it does, I'll do the usual "don't recommend channel" option.

[dusky grove]

it's not like here's anything new to be said either. it's literally a copy of a copy of a copy

[frosty socket]

The other day, there were several people popping in and saying "Stop Playing RuneScape" or "you better stop playing RuneScape", shite like that

[dusky grove]

is that runescape people or drama people?

[subtle gate]

"you better stop existing"

[late bane]

it's certainly drama people, they may or may not like run escape, too

you have people coming in in the middle of the game jam finalists stream trolling that there's nothing in the stream about game dev, you can't infer anything from what the trollss/bots say

[subtle gate]

I can imagine they also give guff to all the game jam people

[dusky grove]

it's been 8, almost 9 months now

how do they still have this much steam?

pretty soon someone could've given birth to an actual person if they got pregnant when the drama started

[serene valley]

well that would be a weird thing to do when starting drama

[dusky grove]

i mean, they've already been metaphorically impregnated by filth

[late bane]

indeed

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-tealc-stargate-gif-4496552

[late bane]

it's ironic in the worst way given how Thor's message that went megaviral was all about positivity

[robust galleon]

Unfortunately some of the harassment started when Thor's yt channel initially got big, and then more happened when the petition that shall not work harassed Thor into videos about it, and it's just snowballed since the WoW bs drama.

So some of these harassers have been at it since Nov 23.

[dusky grove]

i wonder if theres anything thor can do to shut em up

[late bane]

starving the drama farming is the best thing

[serene valley]

go undercover as ferretmcferretface

[dusky grove]

cuz yeah, doing nothing and making it a war of attrition would work

[frosty socket]

Not really, and trying just...makes them worse, but not trying makes them even worse than that, because then they become smug and act like they've won the war

[hasty grail]

Thor needs money, thus Thor has to create content

anyone with 2 braincells knows that Thor is fine

[dusky grove]

yeah

[hasty grail]

those that are missing one or both are the issue

[dusky grove]

it just sucks that they have a monopoly on controlling the narrative

[frosty socket]

And unfortunately, the ones who don't are the loudest and truly believe that he should stop... existing, simply for disagreeing with their opinions

[dusky grove]

cuz we're taking the high road, we've given them access to the high traffic low road

[late bane]

just with the mob, although the mob is pretty devout at 'educating' people who don't understand what's going on with the latest randomly generated video they've watched -.-

[hasty grail]

it would be funny if Thor took all the drama vids, fed them to an AI, then created a vid of his own

people are constantly coming into stream thinking that the MeatCanyon vid is a gotcha of some sort and yet Thor likes it

[frosty socket]

Basically it's like this
Thor: gives different opinion
Them: screeching noises BAD PERSON! DESTROY!

and now, it's
Thor: vibes and just...exists
Them: Stop it, you're a bad person , you can't have a different opinion about anything from me, and if you do, you shouldn't exist, because it hurts my feelings!"

[umbral gazelle]

Remember these people are allergic to posting receipts so take this revengance meme

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[hasty grail]

im going to post this and pretend that this has something to do with the convo

[dusky grove]

I wonder what'd happen if thor did more collabs, like maybe helldive with mouse or smth. How that angry mob would contend with another community of great size

[hasty grail]

loud minority issue

[robust galleon]

Or Kai

[frosty socket]

They would try and destroy mousey for daring to associate with Thor...and fail, miserably

[dusky grove]

that's what I'm thinking

if more and more people actually talk to thor

maybe the public will realize how dumb the drama is

[ivory schooner]

that's an easy one, they'd attack everyone involved, try to make the idea of being in Thor's vicinity hostile by association, a method of trying to isolate him from other creators

[frosty socket]

They tried with Thor announcing about mousey fundraiser a bit ago, that comment section got really snarky in response to the drama folk

That was fun

[late bane]

The fact that they keep attacking the ferrets is all you need to consider there

[dusky grove]

the problem is, thor, publicly, is already kinda isolated from other creators. he mostly streams solo due to the kind of content he streams

and I'm not saying thor should do collabs just to lose some of the heat, that's almost as scummy as what the mob is doing

[frosty socket]

Which is usually, y'know, dev stuff, single player games...dune...

[dusky grove]

but i do wonder what'd happen if it happened

[frosty socket]

I'm trying to figure out why people are attacking the ferts like they are

[late bane]

beacuse a number of the smear campaigns are literally saying everything Thor says is a total lie, so every time he explains what's going on, it's complete fiction, I think it's that simple

[dusky grove]

at the end of the day, we can only theorize hypotheticals. I personally believe that if they attack other creators for being associated with thor, then that'd be a death knell to the dumb harassment campaign

[ivory schooner]

there hasnt been any kind of "defense" from anyone as if choosing to not engage is taken as a means of conceding that every accusation is true

[frosty socket]

Best I can come up with: they can't fathom the possibility of someone who's opinion differes from theirs on even a singular thing being a good person and genuinely doing selfless things

[dusky grove]

people will realize "oh this is stupid" and zone out to the drama once it starts hurting people other than the one they're trying to villainize.

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-21280769

[frosty socket]

But it has, and they just go "they associated with that POS Thor, so they got what they deserved"

It's...mind boggling

[tribal nest]

I don't think it'll work out like that. It'd be same way that most people react when a creator would collab with Asmongold for example. Just look at the amount of shit Thor got for explaining something to him (although that was after the start of this whole drama, so maybe it just amplified it)

[dusky grove]

I doubt we're at asmon levels of animosity, at least not yet

[tribal nest]

That's at least the goal for the haters

[dusky grove]

I'm just worried because it feels like they just have total control of the narrative

[frosty socket]

Asmon may be a unhygienic shuthead, but if he gives advice about something like WoW, is honestly believe him on it, as the man is the closest thing to a WoW "Expert" I've honestly seen who isn't a complete "PvP or Nothing!" Sweat

But his opinions about people is something I just...completely write off as "most likely unhinged af"

I might look at it just to satisfy a morbid curiosity about how bad it is

But that'd be it

[flint sinew]

[frosty socket]

Oh, hai starr!

[dusky grove]

hi star

[ivory schooner]

[dusky grove]

I'll take the blame for this one, I started it

[umbral gazelle]

Lots of drama talk today :3

[boreal flower]

[umbral gazelle]

Ay i had nothing to do with it! i think.

[late bane]

just kinda spiraly since the OSRS attack made everything wonky

[ivory schooner]

stream ended early via mysterious means, makes sense we'd speculate

[hasty grail]

this is the tldr of the convo

[umbral gazelle]

probably shaye playing with her chain saw accidnetly cutting own the internet pole

[late bane]

if only TT

[umbral gazelle]

i wonder how many trees are left in america since it arrived

[late bane]

beaver rescue when

[frosty socket]

Quite a bit, considering it was just a stuffie chainsaw

Not a real one

Last I heard, it was being given to the ferts as a gift

[exotic forge]

Just observing how people respond to this latest drama. You can tell who supports Thor and who will take every opportunity to diminish these attacks on him

[idle hill]

Drama sucks, man

[rigid imp]

There's still trouble with the connection? I see the ferret stream is down.

[flint sinew]

power outage atm

[hasty grail]

the connection issues earlier was between Thor's OSRS account and OSRS

[rigid imp]

Aha, and a power outage on top of it

[wheat sleet]

I wake up to no ferrts?

https://tenor.com/view/akai-haato-hololive-not-like-this-panic-shake-gif-17045844

[flint sinew]

#streamchat message

[hasty grail]

per Shaye themself

[winter sierra]

(actually not that bad im at work and cant watch anyways)

[late bane]

Feels bad, yall getting some bad tech rng

[gray fable]

I am exhausted

[late bane]

Hi exhausted I'm Mel

[gray fable]

Shut

[frosty socket]

Hi Mel of non-Projekt origins, how are you?

...why did I send that?

[serene valley]

[late bane]

If only i was cool as her lol

Today was probably annoying for Thor but that Girl Dinner conversation was probably the funniest thing ever to me

[gray fable]

I’m wondering if Thor is doing better

[late bane]

Dumb as this sounds i wonder if he got a little excited since this is a new issue or puzzle to solve he's never experienced

[frosty socket]

she's mostly just... awkward, most of the time, anyways, not entirely always on purpose

[late bane]

Girls in a nutshell

[frosty socket]

it's the quiet ones you have to "worry" about

[serene valley]

you have to worry about chibi

[late bane]

I have 11older sisters

[frosty socket]

OH GOD

[serene valley]

at least, idk what her actual username is

[late bane]

Worry about all types of girls

[serene valley]

the one that usually has the eyes going opposite directions

[thick ledge]

ELEVEN?

[serene valley]

and looks like a chibi character

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-cute-wholesome-headpat-gif-24691093

[thick ledge]

Damn your parents were busy

[frosty socket]

that's a different kind of worry, Chibi's just an anklebiter, and she knows it

[frosty socket]

or bored

[late bane]

Remarried so its a few steps in that ladder

[serene valley]

at one point a helicopter hit a powerline in the netherlands, so the power was out for a bit in some place

9 months later, birth rates were up

[late bane]

Lol

[frosty socket]

local lady whos the leader of what i call a Cult, but is officially a "Bible College", bought out the local movie theater and rollerskating rink, got rid of both, and then proceeded to wonder why teenage pregnancies went up...

It's because they literally have nothing else to do with their time that doesn't take at least an hour of travel to get to

[late bane]

Reminds me of that weird bit after twilight every kid for a while was named Bella

Anyway I hope tomorrow is better and he tells us all about the solution

[serene valley]

I hope there's a solution

[late bane]

Probably on Jagex side but its the weekend soooo

[thick ledge]

I thought stayes account was doing the same?

Shaye

[serene valley]

mhm

[late bane]

Yeah

[serene valley]

from what I heard yea

[thick ledge]

When I was doing my smiting earlier seemed like they were fine off strem

[frosty socket]

that makes it seem like it's Tagging their IP addresses

[hasty grail]

whenever the stream showed OSRS any account on Thor's internet would lag

[late bane]

This is ethere something incredible tricky or mind-bogglingly stupid

[serene valley]

zaf throws thunderbolts in his free time confirmed

[thick ledge]

Or someone trying to prevent him from streaming

Ofc

[hasty grail]

note exactly what i said

[thick ledge]

I have alot of free time too

[late bane]

Mining

[serene valley]

zaf=zeus

obviously

[frosty socket]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[thick ledge]

Got 55 mining earlier

[late bane]

Hot

[thick ledge]

Uhhh 4....6? Smithing

Gonna stop making steel and start making gold

Supply the ironman group with ingots for jewelery

[late bane]

Golds only better with those gloves

Xp wise

[thick ledge]

Not doing it for pure exp

[late bane]

Number go brrrrr

[pliant helm]

I see we've moved from, "Thor is finished!" to "Thor ended."

Although he only was able to pump ~600k views so they are getting bored.

[wheat sleet]

End? Nah. Still streaming daily.

[hasty grail]

how much of it is rehashed from everywhere else

i say most of it

[pliant helm]

It's 100% rehashed from everywhere else.

[hasty grail]

i sleep

[winged knoll]

even the thumbnail is rehashed

[hasty grail]

also if this stuff really worked, then MrBeast would be out of a job

[winged knoll]

wer's the creative part of the internet

He's ended

[pliant helm]

Didnt even have the self awareness that maybe a guy who published 15 videos about a guy in a month might not be the best source

[winged knoll]

He's done

It's over

[wheat sleet]

At least it doesn't say "The PirateSoftware situation is crazy!" for the millionth time

[river cargo]

They hate him so it's always those titles

[hasty grail]

naw, thats only Moist "watch 2 vids and is now an expert" Critical

[pliant helm]

No, no, you don't understand an audio expert analyzed Thors stream and determined he's using a voice changer

[river cargo]

Honestly would be good if like, primeagen had a chat with charlie about skg and thor

[gray fable]

that face makes me think thor is about to say something or is shocked.

[river cargo]

At least get Charlie to make an apology

[hasty grail]

queue a clip from a live event where Thor CANNOT USE a voice changer and his voice remains unchanged

[gray fable]

thats technically up to primeagen to decide

[flint sinew]

[hasty grail]

Starr

[hasty grail]

i hope you have a good afternoon/evening

[flint sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/maryland-blue-crab-blue-crab-steamed-crab-hot-pot-crab-crab-tray-gif-15868382305494096252

[hasty grail]

im grinding away at RS3 crafting sooo i have nothing better to do for the next few hours

[gray fable]

people talk about RS1 and RS3. but what about RS2?

[wheat sleet]

Thor would probanly gladly talk to almost any of these creators personally if they came without ill intent, but I doubt any would be interested in a polite discussion.

[gray fable]

is it the middle child?

[hasty grail]

one sec

3 main versions of Runescape

Runescape 1, Runescape 2, and Runescape 3

this is RS1

RS2

[carmine sierra]

Ah but you see, here's another clip where he speaks slightly differently (but still within a reasonable voice range for a single person) so therefore it's all fake

[hasty grail]

RS3

[gray fable]

do people play RS1?

[carmine sierra]

OSRS is what would now be considered RS2
Runescape Classic was RS1, and I don't think it exists anymore

[hasty grail]

Old School Runescape or OSRS is based on a back up of RS2

[gray fable]

or am i better off playing rs2

[hasty grail]

by the time OSRS was made, Runescape 3 was well into existence and thus the only version of the game existing

[pliant helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfekgjfh1Rk

[wheat sleet]

Probably better to ask in one of the 20 new RS channels tbh

[hasty grail]

there was enough of a desire for RS2 to exist once more after the Evolution of Combat update for RS3 that the devs created OSRS as a whole

[carmine sierra]

If I remember right, they had an old version of Runescape Classic (aka RS1) that was running for a while
The difference is that RS2 was still fairly well liked by the community, so RS1 didn't have much of a playerbase and was eventually sunset

[hasty grail]

personally, try both RS3 and OSRS and see which one you like more

[wheat sleet]

Queueing that one up to listen to at work tomorrow

[hasty grail]

RS1 is rough from what i understand

[carmine sierra]

RS3 was less well received and went in a different direction with its design philosophy, so RS2 has a strong playerbase and still gets its own completely separate updates to this day

[hasty grail]

even more so by today's standards

[hasty grail]

Evolution of Combat or EoC is the main thing that drove a LOT of players away from the game along side the first major MTX idea known as Squeel of Fortune

[devout wedge]

600 k is quite a lot

[hasty grail]

a precursor to Treasure Hunter

[pliant helm]

People were pulling millions on this

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, that was kinda the breaking point

These days RS3 is so littered with MTX that it's borderline unplayable outside of Ironman

[hasty grail]

i disagree that its unplayable

[carmine sierra]

A headache to deal with, at least

The last time I tried it a few years back

It just constantly bombards you with notifications about the cash shop

[hasty grail]

if you dont want to see it at all? then sure, its unplayable

[devout wedge]

Turkey Tom posted one really long one about 2 weeks ago and got 2M

[hasty grail]

if you are burned out from other MMOs as much as I am, its tolerable

[carmine sierra]

Personally I've always liked the Ironman style, and played like that even before it was an official thing

[hasty grail]

i like RS3 because its still the core of RS as a whole,

[carmine sierra]

And having it shut off the MTX entirely and prove that you earned everything you got is a nice bonus

[tribal canyon]

so when RS4?

[hasty grail]

who knows

oh wait

thats Dragonwilds

[carmine sierra]

I know the original creator of Runescape went on to make another Runescape-like, but I don't think it amounted to much in terms of community impact

Brighter Shores

[hasty grail]

yea...

[carmine sierra]

I played it for a while, it was alright

[hasty grail]

its FINE

[carmine sierra]

Yeah

That's about the impression I had

Good framework to build on, but not much at the moment

[hasty grail]

there are other games that i would rather play than return to that

[carmine sierra]

Ye

Lately I've been going hard on FFXIV again to finish up some of the completionism I'd been working on 😛

[hasty grail]

how about that Dawntrail expansion.....

[flint sinew]

[carmine sierra]

Dawntrail is good, screw the haters

(I forgot the bad word isn't allowed here 😛 )

[hasty grail]

i think the main ideas are fine for the expansion

[flint sinew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1310675072704581784.webp?size=96&animated=true

[hasty grail]

but how it was written is the issue

[carmine sierra]

Eh

[hasty grail]

thats my stance on it

[carmine sierra]

I think the writing was fine

[hasty grail]

oh come on

it was almost as bad as Stormblood

[carmine sierra]

There was like one iffy section in my opinion, but the rest of the expac was enjoyable

Hard disagree

Hard disagree

[hasty grail]

are we fine btw? or do you want us to shift topics

[carmine sierra]

Nah it was that I said a bad word

Auto-mod caught it

[hasty grail]

to everyone else, i cast: Remember Funorb?

and i cast: Remember Zybez?

[carmine sierra]

But yeah, personally I think the hate for Dawntrail is massively overblown, and largely stems from unrealistic expectations set by Shadowbringers and Endwalker before it

[hasty grail]

main core of it is fine, writing has issues here and there

[carmine sierra]

A few spots, yeah
On the whole I enjoyed it

And the gameplay has been phenomenal

[hasty grail]

did PLD ever get a rez?

if not, still unplayable

[carmine sierra]

Savage has been a hell of a time, the mechanics are fantastic
Alliance raid questline is interesting and I want to see where they go with it
Even casual content got a noticeable bump in difficulty
Occult Crescent is fun and fixes a lot of issues I had with Bozja and Eureka, though it does have some issues of its own (only some of which are unique to Crescent, some are just gameplay features themselves)
And Cosmic Exploration is great, and got a ton of QoL this patch to make it even better

Plus we're getting a whole new thing alongside the deep dungeon

(And no, Paladin still doesn't have a res, they're not getting one)

Oh and Chaotic Alliance raid was really fun, clearing that with my static was a blast

Hyped for them to add more of those

If they stick with the theme of it being the final boss of the Alliance sequences, next up should be Diabolos

[hasty grail]

game is unplayable

[carmine sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[hasty grail]

[bronze summit]

I gotta somehow find the time to get back into ffxiv

healer main

[carmine sierra]

But yeah from what I've seen
The situation around Dawntrail is similar to the situation around Thor
The expansion isn't perfect and has some issues, and if you don't like it then you do you
But holy shit does it not even come close to warranting the response it's gotten

[late bane]

Feels like people can't handle their emotions at all anymore

[hasty grail]

no comment

i hope you have a good night

[carmine sierra]

Agreed
Anything they don't like is automatically completely horrible, and everything that wasn't an issue before suddenly becomes a problem

It's not just "I didn't enjoy this character", it's "This character should piss off and die so they aren't in the story anymore and we never have to see them again"

[late bane]

I have a voice and everyone must hear

[carmine sierra]

And then anyone who did like the character gets Other'd and mocked

It's not enough that you don't like them, everyone else has to hate them too

It's not enough that you didn't have anything you wanted to do, the game just has to have no content because you didn't what's there enjoyable

[hasty grail]

as a concept, the character is fine

[carmine sierra]

And in execution, she was still fine

[hasty grail]

writting wise...

once again, some issues

[carmine sierra]

Does "some issues" warrant the cavalcade of bullshit we've gotten about the expansion?

[hasty grail]

no

[carmine sierra]

Or overlooking everything else that's been done right?

Every single flaw gets picked out and isolated, and that's all that gets discussed

Never mind anything else done right or anyone else who might enjoy it

Was Cloud of Darkness Chaotic a bit too punishing on some of the body checks? Sure
Was it still a fun as hell time with a new type of content we'd never gotten before? Absolutely

[golden mirage]

My view is DT has some of the worst writing and character development FF14 has ever had. The only reason I finished DT is because I had friends I wanted to play with at 100, but even with that I almost tried for a refund of the game and canceling my account.

That said, if you enjoyed it, great, I'm happy for you. I'm not going to say you're wrong for liking something, thats your choice.

[carmine sierra]

But it's the new Thing To Hate, so nothing can be good about it
Every video I've seen talking about the positives of Dawntrail, whether the story or the gameplay, just has a deluge of dumbshit comments about "Woke Lmao should piss off and die"

[carmine sierra]

Like, this is the kind of take I just don't get
Wuk Lamat had a good character arc, and I felt the growth she had along the way was deserved
Lyse overwrote an existing character with a reference no one outside of 1.0 will get, changed precisely nothing throughout the expansion, and then was handed leadership of the Resistance anyway because she was there when the previous guy died

[golden mirage]

I didn't say no character arcs, I said worst. Nor did I say anything about StB and Lyse.

[carmine sierra]

I honestly feel like it's partially just recency bias and the community around it

Yes, you said worst
And Lyse was by far worse

[golden mirage]

I disagree.

[lapis flame]

look over there, nuance is trying to escape

[golden mirage]

This is the internet, there is no nuance here.

[carmine sierra]

Like I said, it's just the kind of take I don't get

Not liking it, fine
Pushing that dislike to the extreme of it being the "worst", I absolutely do not understand

[river cargo]

I don't think any game can compare to the hate thor has gotten. It's people complaining while refusing to listen. At least with a game people have to experience it firsthand, while with internet drama it's regurgitating the same conversation that would be debunked if thor spoke and refuted those people(both sloptubers and haters)

[golden mirage]

Its all personal opinion, you think Lyse is worse, I don't. Its no more complicated than that.

[carmine sierra]

That's why I said similar, it kind of has the same vibe to me

An imperfect thing getting a disproportionate response

And basically anything good about them being completely overlooked as a byproduct, as well

Anyway
I highly recommend this video
It goes over and contextualizes a lot of my thoughts on the expansion's story when I went through it, and the community response around them
(Heavy spoilers for the entire base expansion and the whole game leading up to it, obviously)
https://youtu.be/4TXY0hlAHrs

[thick ledge]

Oo oo I can contribute to this convo

There's nothing specifically wrong with dawn trail I can name personally, it just didn't, hook me, like arr did. I did not finish base dawntrail

I just wasn't engaged playing it

Of course, people should chill

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, that's more reasonable
And in that event I'd still suggest seeing it through to the end for the gameplay aspects

[thick ledge]

But starting a new story arc is hard, you've gotta engage the player all over again

[carmine sierra]

Ye

[cloud egret]

Hey everyone, quick question, does anyone multistream here?

[subtle gate]

yea I saw this one too I think that channel is mostly past dramas so it's weird to see one done one someone who's still around

https://tenor.com/view/the-letter-h-spinning-man-letter-gif-24584770

[winged knoll]

Probably no one to make content about

[hoary pawn]

hello chat

[hasty grail]

o/

[hoary pawn]

how goes the piratesoftware community

[hasty grail]

runescap'ing

shame about why Thor ended the stream

[hoary pawn]

waait what? what happened?

[hasty grail]

someone had a very weird method of detecting when Thor was streaming Old School Runescape and would do a targeted attack which hit both him and shaye for as long as OSRS was shown on stream

thor was bamboozled, along with everyone else

queue the testing that occured and nothing was resolved

[high canopy]

I'm kinda hoping this is another case where a kid is smart enough to do this but not so much to avoid getting in trouble. And Thor has to call the kids mom.

[hasty grail]

we will find out on the next stream

[high canopy]

It'd be weird to happen twice but thor would have two nickles

[brisk sparrow]

streaming on net*
mobile on cellular didnt crash

[hasty grail]

yea...

there are many mysteries of the world i would love to know

and this might be one of them

[golden mirage]

How could that happen?

[hasty grail]

given what i know, i know it should be possible to detect OSRS graphics on screen

but the thing i do not know is how they managed to target OSRS specifically without affecting twitch

[golden mirage]

They'd need to target the osrs server he's connected to, wouldn't they?

[hasty grail]

it did affect Shaye's connection as well from what was said

did not affect anyone else

[golden mirage]

Huh, interesting.

[hasty grail]

Thor checked his internet, loaded up OSRS from a fresh install

he could play it without it being shown on screen

...

what if he reversed the screen?

mirror flip

[quiet harbor]

I was wondering something similar a bit ago. A silly test but blacking half the screen at a time. Reversing sounds more useful to start with.

[golden mirage]

I wouldn't think that would effect it but it would depend on how well the software was built that is monitoring the stream

[hasty grail]

bingo

i think its a bot thats doing it

but HOW the bot works is the weird thing

also how to prevent it

[golden mirage]

It would need to recognize characters from any angle, which mirroring wouldn't solve but building and ui images wouldn't normally be expected to change

[quiet harbor]

Thought I read someone mention he had to be moving before it started. Though the last one I think he was just clicking through dialogue.

[golden mirage]

Assuming someone built it after Thor started streaming, it's probably looking at only a few points to see if osrs is on screen.

[weak spindle]

wait that happened before?

[golden mirage]

I wonder if there's a network fix to prevent whatever attack is happening

[brisk sparrow]

I mean it still disconnected him from mobile when he held a shitty webcam up to it

so its pretty good whatever is doing it

[thick ledge]

That is assuming it's not just someone manually pressing a button

[brazen drift]

Oh should thor slap a grainy filter over it

[thick ledge]

The detection isn't what's wierd tho it's the attack vector

[brazen drift]

can we get black and white noir runescape gameplay

[thick ledge]

I have no clue how they're managing to interfere with his ips connection to a service without also disrupting other things

And without disrupting jagex servers

And he reset his router so his ip should have changed

[brazen drift]

You dont think maybe a jagex employee is doing it right?

[quiet harbor]

Yeah. Unless he was too zoomed in when his phone was on mobile network they were somehow targeting his network with such a small amount if information it wasn't obvious.

[thick ledge]

Doubt, no one would risk thier job over a streamer surely

[brazen drift]

Eeeeh

looks at gunrun

[hasty grail]

it wasnt affecting him when he was not showing OSRS

[brazen drift]

fair enough for that at least

[brisk sparrow]

it looked more like the server stopped recieving his packets

[thick ledge]

How tho

[hasty grail]

also how do you counter it

[brisk sparrow]

jagex probably needs to look on their end

[thick ledge]

How are they intercepting the packets from him and shaye specifically

[quiet harbor]

Manually they could have had a bot that just sent screenshots or had the stream on mute.

[thick ledge]

Without thier ip

[brisk sparrow]

the fact that it persisted through a router restart/update is very interesting

[thick ledge]

Yes

[hasty grail]

trojan?

[thick ledge]

Meaning the IP changed and it persisted

I don't think shaye and Thor both caught a Trojan simulatenously

[brisk sparrow]

also again: it happened to mobile too

[thick ledge]

Simultaneously

[hasty grail]

fair

[thick ledge]

And it effected thors phone connection

So it's targeting the accounts some how

[brisk sparrow]

all we as viewers can do right now is speculate

[hasty grail]

targeting the accounts only when OSRS is shown on stream

[thick ledge]

Like actually bizarre

[brisk sparrow]

on net

[quiet harbor]

Not the account but maybe all OSRS clients on a given network.

[brisk sparrow]

off net/stream worked fine

[hasty grail]

better way of phrasing it

[thick ledge]

I wonder if connecting via data would work

[brisk sparrow]

i mean it did on mobile

he tested that

[thick ledge]

So wierd

The attack vector is just so bizarre

[hasty grail]

Zaf,

[brisk sparrow]

its seemingly incredibly specific

[hasty grail]

have you tried digging into the idea as a whole?

i have no idea on where to begin searching to resolve this

[brisk sparrow]

the conditions that we know are:
on stream
on net

thats not a lot to go off of

[quiet harbor]

I've been wondering if his mention of an exploit in the client is the most likely. Something where someone has been able to inject something into the client where it loses that server communication.

[thick ledge]

I mean thor and some of his friends are the best equipt people k know to figure it out

[brisk sparrow]

wouldntve happened on mobile though

[thick ledge]

I know*

[brisk sparrow]

thats the key

it happened on mobile too

[thick ledge]

Mobile is a different client, official

[brazen drift]

i wouldnt be surprised if thor started stream sitting there like Dr Evil with meatball in his lap

"i have solved your Riddle, mr powers"

[quiet harbor]

Depends on the exploit. If the information for all clients regarding a particular server is the same and has a vulnerability then it would be all clients, mobile included.

[brisk sparrow]

didnt happen when he disconnected from his net, and persisted through a router restart/update

[bronze pier]

It didn't affect when he went mobile using just his phone connection, only affected mobile when he was using his wifi

[brisk sparrow]

also: only started happening 4 hours into stream

so someone likely woke up and decided to start it

[quiet harbor]

Persisted isn't quite the right word. Reoccurred is more accurate. The failure wasnt a permanent problem like modifying a permanent reference.

[brisk sparrow]

eh, same difference in this case IMO but thats semantics

[hasty grail]

anyways

with no idea on it as a whole, i shall mostly retire to RS3, if not the night thereafter

[brisk sparrow]

and i retire to sleep

[warm trench]

My guess an AI enthusiast has a model / machine learning on stream data frames to detect OSRS coupled to an account based attack that hits Jagex servers or components of the network to Jagex. A custom twitch client possibly. When streaming, what sort of meta data does twitch send out, that could be used to narrow down needed information to coordinate the attack. Maybe there is a zero day issue with Run Escape? I hope there is an update and resolution.

Maybe a router on Thor's ISP is compromised?

[brazen drift]

tellin you, slap the anti ai grain filter on stream to see if that works

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-on-swing-swinging-funny-animals-fluffy-dogs-gif-14656835

[ivory schooner]

any chance it could use the twitch extention to tell whether he's on runescape?

cos it's linked to his account isnt it? to show all his stats n stuff?

maybe the extension being on while he's on stream would be enough for something to tell what he's streaming without having to scan a screen and identify whether something is runescape or not?

[earnest spire]

he turned them off halfway testing it still happening

[ivory schooner]

mmm gotcha

im sure he tried alot, wasn't there like a few hours of troubleshooting before stream ended?

[earnest spire]

yes

[shell osprey]

I know it's fun to speculate about elaborate ways to detect stream content but have you guys considered that you can just use the runescape API to tell when a player is logged in

In a similar vein, has anyone checked whether it's just Thor getting knocked offline or the entire playerbase? Because the game has been suffering stability issues for the last week or so (whether due to popularity or malicious DoS it's unclear)

[terse pelican]

Yesterday it was only Thor/Shaye as far as we know

[muted robin]

it was only happening to him when he was streaming and not when he was offline though apparently

[swift star]

As long as he didn't show the actual game on stream it was fine.

[shell osprey]

But weren't there also some points where it was on stream and worked for a bit before getting disrupted again

[swift star]

From what I saw, everytime he revealed the actual game it would be mere seconds before a disconnect.

Of course, I was working yesterday, so I didn't get to see everything.

Picked up most from chat and VoD.

[shell osprey]

Honestly sounds like confirmation bias

Somewhat random behaviour that seems reactive to something else because the human brain craves to find patterns in things

[shell osprey]

Was anyone else actually logging in and trying to play at the same time to check?

[swift star]

We'll see if he discovered anything since the downtime.

[serene valley]

It only happens if he's streaming it, not when he's logged in

[serene valley]

I think he's replicated it about 10 times

[serene valley]

Also, streaming an old VOD did it too

[serene valley]

Even using a crappy webcam to stream the screen

[swift star]

Yeah, a whole battery of testing happened for hours. I'm hoping they figured it out.

[serene valley]

I think without jagex support its not gonna go far other than changing how the game looks on the screen

Could try inverting the colors

Maybe that'd work

[shell osprey]

That just lends credence to the idea that it's not targeted and is just part of the general instability the game servers are experiencing atm

[serene valley]

What

It's stable if the game isn't getting streamed

[shell osprey]

is it though

[golden mirage]

This whole thing sounds so bizarre.

[serene valley]

I mean yesterday like 3 times back to back as soon as he showed it, the connection would die

[swift star]

Yes, he's shown this multiple times during testing.

[shell osprey]

but the game is in fact not stable as of just a few days ago https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/game-status-information-centre?oldschool=1
and they think they've resolved it but aren't certain in this last status update

[idle hill]

Did you even watch the latter half of his stream or are you just doubting him because it's thor/the screen was black/whatever

[shell osprey]

and it's the weekend so they probably won't look at it again until monday

[idle hill]

It's 100% targeted at Thor

there's no doubt about it

[shell osprey]

No I'm just commenting on this as someone who's read the discussion around it and can think of more plausible reasons than "someone has gone to the trouble of developing a custom solution that detects when runescape is playing on a stream"

[frosty mural]

yo mods! how many keys I would need to throw at Pirate to make him play Vintage story? 😄

[idle hill]

If he changed his network IP, then it'd just be until whichever dunce it was that was intentionally kicking him off, found his IP again, that he'd be able to play

[golden mirage]

all of them.

[shell osprey]

Whilst it's not impossible with today's off the shelf technology, it's still a lot more time consuming to autodetect stream content than it is to query runescape's servers to check if a specific player is logged in

[distant rapids]

Here's what i just said in stream chat: new idea: because you stream at an absolutely wack time for your timezone, i'm wondering if it's someone hitting west coast server on jagex's side and you happen to be the biggest fish who is being affected

[shell osprey]

with that in mind, does this mean there's some specific reason why a hater would want to only target stream presence rather than generally intervene with thor's ability to play the game?

[idle hill]

It's not checking if he's logged in
It's checking to see if the game is played on the stream
Because it affected Shaye too

[shell osprey]

what does the attacker lose by preventing thor from playing whilst he's not streaming?

[idle hill]

"I don't like thor" is the only reason these people have

[shell osprey]

Right but the reason Shaye could be affected is that runescape as a whole is getting DoSed and becomes unavailable to everyone, or at least the specific world they're playing on

[shell osprey]

No you misunderstand me

[idle hill]

Or because they have similar IPs because they're using the same network

[shell osprey]

Im not saying specialised haters don't exist, I'm saying why would one spend vastly longer making a more elaborate solution just to allow thor to play the game when it's not on stream

[idle hill]

Because they're that batshit insane

That's it

There ARE people who try their damndest to be villains, thinking they're the hero, believe it or not

[shell osprey]

right but what's villainous about allowing thor to play the game whilst not streaming

[swift star]

Pettiness seldom operates on logic.

Still, I understand where you're coming from, @shell osprey.

[golden mirage]

Don't apply logic to irrational actions. Whoever is doing this either has some kind of vendetta against Thor and some kind of parasocial relationship with OSRS.

[shell osprey]

At any rate, next time this happens I recommend everyone to try and log into the game, ideally the same world, as thor and see whether they can maintain a stable connection throughout

but uh, not so many people that it accidentally DoSes...

[solid tide]

There are folks in chat who are right next to him and not getting affected

[shell osprey]

a healthy number of people 😂

[idle hill]

Whoever it is, it's clear that their intent is to get Thor to stop streaming the video game.

[frosty mural]

he should try modern RS to see if still happens 😄
idea is to test if the attacker is true fan of RS or not

[swift star]

Undoubtedly, more testing/troubleshooting will happen, we'll see what comes of it.

[shell osprey]

Oh there actually were people unaffected during this then?

[solid tide]

but then you gotta play modern RS

[frosty mural]

that is true, and that is considered heresy

[untold talon]

clearly some hardcore hater there

[idle hill]

For now, Thor should get his IP changed, and contact support about the malicious user. The person is definitely using a bot to detect whether Runescape is on screen somehow, perhaps even sending large quantities of packets for Runescape to get him kicked off the server.

Yknow, to trip the anticheat and bot prevention. Which may even be an attempt to get Thor/Shaye IP-banned, who knows

[frosty socket]

That...

Would make sense...if they also prevented Thor from playing when not on stream

[idle hill]

Well, they don't know when he's playing the game. So it would be suspicious for Runescape to get packets from Thor's IP when he's not logged in.

That's why they set up the bot, to check if he's live, and playing Runescape

[shell osprey]

The closest I can get to making sense of the premise of "sending lots of packets" would be for an attacker to some intercept and repeatedly replay thor's traffic to runescape, which would mean at minimum accomplishing a man in the middle attack on him. Networking isn't my speciality but I'm all pretty certain that basic network protocols are designed such that duplicates are just automatically discarded before even reaching business logic anyway

[idle hill]

I watched Vedal get DDOS'd while playing Subnautica, I don't think it matters if it's a duplicate

They just need to send an absurd amount of packets

[frosty socket]

Whom tf would DDOS Vedal!?

[idle hill]

They tried.

[shell osprey]

do you know what DDoSing actually entails btw

[idle hill]

They kinda succeeded. But Vedal fought back.

[frosty socket]

I mean...I can think of three streamers that one shouldn't dare to DDOS

Thor, Primeagen, and Vedal

Two of those are actively developing personal AI

All three have connections that allow them to track you down and put things in your mail box as a warning...or call your mother

[idle hill]

https://youtu.be/dyaR8FzZ2fs?si=RuO13BhUy0yAJqnb

[frosty socket]

And honestly, I'm not too sure a grave would stop said call, lol

"Meow Meow LOL"

[idle hill]

i gotta find the timestamp where the dude starts messing w/ vedal

I guess problems start at 3:40

[distant rapids]

Hmmmm... okay so, assuming thor's idea is right, logically, the person doing it has to be present in the world and likely the node in order to be able for any memory exploiting to affect thor. That would likely require cheat engine as well... switching to steam client may help or even stop it because of improved security against that specifically

[shell osprey]

uh okay well a quick overview then:

DoSing (Denial of Service) is when a server is getting more requests than it can handle at once, and depending on how it's set up it will either drop some and complete the rest or just grind to a halt and complete none. The term is usually referred to malicious attacks, but can also refer to the non-malicious instance of a service just being more popular than anticipated.
DDoSing (Distributed DoS) is the same outcome but specifically caused by lots of people doing it, and the term was coined when average servers got powerful that one man on one computer getting mad was no longer enough to knock servers offline. Instead, you needed lots of people on lots of computers, or better still a botnet.

The main point here is that DoS means the server is failing to work for everyone equally. You cannot DoS a server so that it only doesn't work for specific clients.

You've been suggesting that Thor is somehow being targeted specifically, which means that a basic (D)DoS attack isn't in use. Instead, an attacker could be pretending to be Thor and deliberately tripping anti-DoS protections that the server has. This would mean at a minimum the attacker would need to be sending traffic that is recognised to be coming from Thor's IP, which means either getting malware onto Thor's home network or a man in the middle attack - both of which are a lot harder to accomplish than I think plausible here.

[distant rapids]

.... wtf it effects instanced... but that... how the heck would that effect thor's mempry specifically? That makes zero sense unless jagex literally has exposed values that should NOT be exposed and this is a big, huge, very bad exploit

... honestly i think thor's idea is wrong and it's something going wrong/an attack on specifically jagex's side, and we're just viewing bias because we don't know about the "x" others who are also being effected.

[subtle gate]

an interesting theory

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-21280769

[distant rapids]

Interesting. Downdetector reports a big blue spot of people saying they cant access runescape where thor lives.

I'm not screenie'ing it for obvious reasons.

[warm trench]

Just the bunch who knows where THor lives making fake reports to get it to show in downdetector probably.

[distant rapids]

I doubt they're THAT smart.

[warm trench]

downdetector bot reports wouldn't need many smart people - just a few unfortunately.

[shell osprey]

...what would tricking downdetector accomplish..?

[warm trench]

who knows, seems a waste to me

[distant rapids]

I really think that's unlikely, and the number of reports is low. If they were botting the one website only boomers really use, then the numbers would be higher.

... i'm suspecting something even deeper. Jagex just recently started adding new worlds and i bet there's some issues arising from it- this post is them talking about hosting their servers https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/more-worlds-more-power-the-road-to-greater-capacity?oldschool=1

[terse pelican]

If it was a 'global' issue, it wouldn't just have an effect on Thor/Shaye, but other people aswell

[shell osprey]

Right but like... The past several days has been unstable for lots of players

[distant rapids]

My thought process is: it might not be a targeted attack based on memory exploits/bugs. My theory is; when thor joins a world, too many people siddenly join that world. Problems already present in the world is exasperated, causing that world to hang up specifically on communication between server and client OR just server side. But that theory doesn't explain everything...
But theres just no way thor would lose connection in an instance due to a memory exploit. Unless its a false instance, or he had invites on (but he said he didn't)... wack! This is wack

[languid ether]

I just got off work, is the Extension gone?

[wispy plover]

It's off right now as there are still issues goin on

[languid ether]

damn

[distant rapids]

Hmm. Im going to bed. I would laugh so hard if it turned out it WAS obs video codec not playing nice with runescape after all. But that's unlikely rue to it happening in the middle of his stream oh well eepy... after i finish listening to sea shanty 2

[warm trench]

but the camera on the mobile phone

[distant rapids]

He was still streaming though? On the same computer, just visually recording

[warm trench]

Yea - streamed using the ant camera on the phone and if I remember right, it also lagged out once we started to see the screen play.

[distant rapids]

So by using the obs setup on his main comp, it's still encoding using whatever he has it set to. The ant cam was just sending footage to obs, obs was still running on the same machine as runescape unless i misunderstood what he was doing there

[warm trench]

runescape was running on the phone

[distant rapids]

Ohhhh okay that changes things. Well, then not that for suresies.

... i am out of ideas, eepy time

[warm trench]

sleep is the best idea

[distant rapids]

A bug buster's best friend is sleep, but no programmer ever sleeps enough

[shell osprey]

go to sleep thinking about unfixed bug
dream
dream of bug
dream of finding the perfect solution to the bug, it's so obvious how did you not think of it already
wake up
realise the perfect solution to the bug hinged on several things that don't exist and are impossible nonsense

sleep is not a bug fixer's friend

[frosty mural]

thats called lucid dreaming, if you train it then you can make it happen intentionally, thats how i "unlock" ideas for my monster modeling 😄

[warm trench]

Having those circular dreams that keep restarting everytime I go back to sleep and the dream is hacking my brains os code... lousy night of sleep...

[tribal canyon]

Morning everyone, what’s the status of OSRS ?, did the figure out how to play without being auto dc’ed?

[shell osprey]

Well in the example I have in mind it wasn't lucid, or at least not to the extent that it's useful for anything. I had a measure of awareness but zero control over the dream

[warm trench]

I had lucid dream once - in color even. Still didn't stop me from launching my self over the hill down a 1000 feet... I think that dream in 30 some years ago ... I even remember some of my dreams from when I was 10.... yikes.

[high canopy]

I've had only two lucid dreams.

First is when i was basically in an action movie, stopping terrorists and saving a girl while on motorcycle only to ask myself if i were in a dream which woke me up.

My second i realized i was in a dream and started flapping my arms like a bird to fly only to violently awaken from having flown into power lines.

[shell osprey]

I can relate to that

Any time of true awareness of dreaming the dream seems to instantly try to find any possible way to end it

The funniest was having me wake up only to still be dreaming but no longer aware it was a dream

[warm trench]

Lucid dreams are really wierd. Expecially when you start to re

[gray fable]

Has the “problem” been solved?

[terse pelican]

It's currently not happening at least

Can't say it's 'solved'

[warm trench]

Not yet? But the abuse has stopped for now. Thor noticed his 2FA had too many attempts and timed him out of a few hours. So maybe the vector is related to 2FA, or that is coincidence. Maybe the attacker got in trouble with mom or something so there is a small reprieve?

[late bane]

There was a exploit when you try to change someone's password or something it boots them from the game

[gray fable]

… was it fixed?

[late bane]

Apparently not if his 2F key is timed out

May want a new email

[kindred sedge]

Soo idk how but I've developed the ability to lucid dream, but only in nightmares, and the only thing I can really do is force my self awake

My guess as to how. One too many nightmares as a child and watching videos on how to lucid dream

It is not fun nor does it feel good to do

I feel like death when ever I wake up that way. Heart beating out of my chest, drenched in sweat and prolly the worst part is being able to remember exactly why I was forcing my self awake

It's weird and sounds made up ik but I've genuinely done it multiple times

https://tenor.com/view/ya-idu-gif-7008892889912392428

[serene valley]

Oh did it get solved?

Oh, no

[serene valley]

Just stopped happening

[worthy ivy]

the key to staying asleep is to focus on yourself in the dream momentarily

before you sleep, spend a minute or so looking at the back of your hands, then the moment you realise you're asleep and dreaming look for your hands

you can maintain the lucid phase for a while if you just look for your hands whenever it starts to slip

[shell osprey]

Yeah I'm aware of the basic techniques to trigger it, I'm just too lazy to practise them

Essentially you just need to create a mental habit that you'll subconsciously repeat whilst dreaming but which will then trigger you to recognise it

When it happens by accident though I've found that the dream always progresses in ways beyond the influence I'm deliberately exerting that have the effect of leading to an end or loss of focus

On a different occasion I was momentarily amused at the realisation I had stumbled into a lucid state only for cars to suddenly veer off towards me until the constant distraction undermined the lucidity

[undone dragon]

the bee thing mentioned in chat
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/08/250822073807.htm

[hasty grail]

morning

did Thor ever figure out the issue?

or still unknown?

[wicked schooner]

Still unknown

[hasty grail]

fun

[serene valley]

just seems to have stopped

[wicked schooner]

Thor already sent all the information to jagex to see if they can figure it out on their end

[hasty grail]

came in to hear that just now

[wheat sleet]

15 fold seems like way too much growth, but if it eventually makes honey a competitive alternate sweetener to HFCS I am all in and welcome our new bee overlords.

[undone dragon]

considering the main issue for domesticated honey bee right now is colony collapse due to too small of a population, it's great news and healthy growth

[arctic needle]

Yay beees

[wheat sleet]

1500% is not healthy growth, it's breakneck runaway explosive growth. Maybe good in the short term for a dwinding population, but if that yeast starts growing naturally there could be an epidemic.

[brittle brook]

https://i.imgur.com/h5eFH.gif

[wicked schooner]

Dafuq?

[brittle brook]

its a Don Hertzfeldt classic, though the gif isn't playing nice to auto-play...

[gray fable]

Does Thor play survival sandbox games?

[terse pelican]

IIRC, He's played Subnautica at least

[brittle brook]

some, like he plays Dune and said he's gonna check out the new update next month

[carmine sierra]

Just woke up, did he end up finding a solution to the connection issues?

[subtle gate]

same

[wicked schooner]

Not really, the guy who caused the connection issues apparently decided to stop for now

[frosty mural]

attacker seems to given up for now

[carmine sierra]

Fair enough

[wicked schooner]

So far no idea how hes doing it, thor sent all the information to jagex for now

waiting for a response

[hazy storm]

if the attacker was smart, he'd have seen how closely thor has been looking into the incident and decided to stop to prevent giving him more clues

[tender field]

Reminds me of this short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQj2EFBABIY

Last line always gets me. "So I called his mom"

[winter sierra]

ive missed the last few streams. What is the “issue” i keep hearing about

[terse pelican]

Someone, Somehow found a way to cause Thor/Shaye disconnect from the game while it was being actively streamed

[winter sierra]

What

Like just thor?

[terse pelican]

Yes.

[winter sierra]

Weirdo

Anything he can do about it?

[terse pelican]

Not that he figured out, But it's currently not happening, so We / he, hopes that the guy doing it gave up, or decided to give up

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/HelpfulSpikyCardGOWSkull-AGXmiPINT1HxMjnR?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[subtle gate]

guy gave a flower from what I heard

[wicked schooner]

Thats the guy who was teleporting cows and following thor around

We dont know if theyre the same person

[frosty socket]

I think the person doing it was wanting Thor to have an angry reaction, or rage quit stream, anything except rampant curiosity about an honestly fascinating method of trolling

[hasty grail]

it is

it became a puzzle

[nova bough]

if they want that, they havent watched thor at all

[terse pelican]

^

[nova bough]

110% expected reaction imo

[frosty socket]

They don't care to, they take how they would react, and think it applies to Thor

[nova bough]

classic blunder

[terse pelican]

Thor is not your average rage keyboard smashing streamer

He's the Puzzlenut

[frosty socket]

And refuse to believe he's a genuinely good person despite his unfortunate past happenings with WoW and other things

[solid tide]

Someone is really upset that their 45 minute video essay titled PIRATESOFTWARE CAREER ENDED FROM RUNESCAPE can't be released now.
I'm so tired of seeing those pop up in my recommended videos on youtube.

[terse pelican]

I haven't had one pop up in a while after setting all the previous ones to ''Do not recommend''

[frosty socket]

I'm not saying he had any part in what happened in The Run (which he did, but so did just about everyone in the group), but gotta admit, poor guy keeps having unfortunate things happen to/around him in games

[frosty socket]

And good

[terse pelican]

Thor is just the current scapeboat for the Internet

[solid tide]

Well clearly he shouldn't make it so easy by being greedy and terrible by checks notes running a ferret rescue, donating unanswered TTS revenue and paying his mods wages and offering them real benefits /s

[hazy storm]

That's a very likely possibility.

[cosmic hinge]

I have heard people try to spin paying mods and giving benefits as a negative thing. Some serious mental gymnastics. Paying employees? What a monster.

Does the UN know about this?? Who do I call??

[hazy storm]

That's incredibly dishonest. Those are probably the first people to complain about volunteer mods being ineffective or unprofessional

[cosmic hinge]

imo it highlights how bias blinded some people are. Incapable of disseminating information and having glaring empathetic failings at the same time.

[muted robin]

That's what happens when you start with a foregone conclusion and twist everything else to be proof

[jolly sky]

Imagine making a Discord, for people to have easy access to free and easy resources, and still be called Narcissistic

[distant rapids]

See, if you ignore 95 percent of the good things that thor does, you have the 5% left that they don't like! Troll math.

[gray fable]

Is it happening again?

[distant rapids]

Hmmm. Weird. I see this logic often. It comes from... narcissists who can never be wrong and wil move goalposts and harrass people and target people... how weird that works out right? That what they are accusing thor of being is what they are themselves?

[jolly sky]

Even with my many years on the internet, I'm saddened to still be surprised by the depths of depravity, and the sad strange immature people who choose to act against other people, rather than acting for themselves.

[distant rapids]

At least by having someone more famous call out whatever is causing this, jagex is more likely to fix the attack vector, which benefits every good player.

[jolly sky]

One of the many, MANY lines of dialogue in the Legacy of Kain that is pure gold, and this one is surprisingly apt

[coarse locust]

I will say it is reconditioning me on how to not feed the trolls, such as the "don't recommend this channel" button mentioned earlier. rather than engaging, I just choke them out of my algorithm & move on with my day. what very little interaction I have with any trolls nowadays is a brief countertrolling back before muting notifs & never coming back to the post/reply/thread. I typically just block ragebait slop outright, tho

[hazy storm]

100% certain this vector has been used on other streamers who haven't had the benefit of experience, skil, or resources to figure it out/stop it from happening

so it being done on thor could turn out to be a blessing to the community as a whole

[gray fable]

Wait is the thing happening to Thor happening to others now?

I’m confused

[hazy storm]

i haven't heard about it but i wouldnt be surprised

i was just speculating

[distant rapids]

Well supposedly it's happened to... another streamer that started with a c? But its very unlikely that this is the first time it has been used.

[gray fable]

I mean on RS. I’m talking about the stream since he apparently was talking about it

[jolly sky]

No not quite, two different problems.

One problem is actual DDOS'ing of the servers (As by the DownDetector results)

The different problem Thor is experiencing is directly targeted.

Both can look the same at a glance.

The issue that Thor initially thought just now was the personally targetted attack, was actually the server he was on being DDOS'd it seems

Considering he's actively playing now on stream, the personally targeted attack isn't happening at the moment

[jolly sky]

One of the "rules of the internet" is;

"Don't feed the Trolls, otherwise they win" for a reason. I don't pretend to follow that rule all the time, but it does make sense

[swift star]

You can't barter words with someone who isn't trading fairly in the first place. I understand the impulse to meet their words, but yeah, best not to feed.

[exotic forge]

I mean we don't go on other servers or channels and defend Thor. We're just here. They keep on generating drama content and enough people on the Internet eat it up. They go on this server and these streams and bait, harrass and disrupt the stream and the chat

So Thor can't stream because he's getting attacked and I'm supposed to not feed the troll?

[worthy ivy]

two quotes come to mind

you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Albert Einstein

and

90% of quotes on the internet attributed to Einstein are not, in fact, Einstein quotes - Albert Einstein

[coarse locust]

I just speak up against any bullying, if I speak at all, but in both cases I immediately disengage & give as little future interaction as possible

they can end up talking to only bots while I simply move on to better spaces

[jolly sky]

No you're not. Because 99.999999% of the people trolling, aren't the person that's decided to actually attack Thor's RS account.

[tribal nest]

Reminds me of this good old Sun Tzu quote.

"I never said this shit lol"
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[brazen drift]

Feeding trolls is bad, making fun of trolls after they get banned is great

[jolly sky]

What is even better, is out-trolling the troll to get them to leave

Obviously (and thankfully) the mods ban the trolls before that situation even occurs

[azure glen]

@minor nymph

[crisp burrow]

we need more hat

[jolly sky]

To disregard the funny shitpost, and to be blunt about it, the actual Sun Tzu quote of (and translating/paraphrasing);

"If you know yourself and the enemy, you need not fear the result of 100 battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

Carries a lot of weight in many aspects of life, especially when fighting trolls

And here's the best part, that quote isn't specifically dedicated to acts of war, or acts against enemies. It also applies to understanding all of humanity. If you understand yourself and your fellow man, you need not fear a battle in the first place, just a conversation.

[hoary pollen]

has Thor done a playthrough of baba is you? started rewatching aliensrock's playthrough and wondered if Thor has played it?

[jolly sky]

I don't know that he has, but that does sound hella fun

https://tenor.com/view/baba-is-you-gif-16228542784222555567

[hoary pollen]

baba is such an awesome game

[tribal nest]

On the topic of puzzle games, has there been any progress on blue prince in the past few months? I haven't really kept up to date with it really.

[hoary pollen]

think it was said the game is completed?

[tribal nest]

ah ok, cuz last I remember people thought it was a fakeout

[frosty mural]

is Thor being attacked again?

[azure glen]

yes

[brazen drift]

Anyone happen to know how thor set up his auto ad scene for streamerbot?

[azure glen]

You can grab the streamer role in id:customize . They might have some info about it.

[brazen drift]

Yeah i did, i figured its better to ask multiple places though

[gritty tartan]

[wheat sleet]

Perfectly normal sized hands

[gritty tartan]

with one giant finger

[hasty grail]

is the hacker back?

[brazen drift]

dudusmeller took an 8 hour sleep and came back

[hasty grail]

fun

[frosty mural]

he could use a web based VPN and then use webosrs.com to play it through a browser

[frosty mural]

its not a he, aparently the attacker pronoun is dudusmeller

[brazen drift]

ah my bad hold on

[frosty mural]

[brazen drift]

:3c

[frosty mural]

anyone elses stream just froze?

[brazen drift]

I cant wait to see if this continues until monday because most people are back in school. If it doesnt happen during his normal hours monday/tues/wednes then its probably someone either in highschool/college. and if it continues the entire time its a no-lifer

[hasty parcel]

Test now with stream off

[hasty parcel]

Was he not having trouble for 8 hours?

[frosty mural]

[hasty grail]

nope

all quiet until now ish

[brazen drift]

Nah. He started 2am my time, got hit a little bit for like maybe an hour or two, and then he said he was absolutely fine for 8 hours until about 12ish my time.

[frosty merlin]

Thor said on Winky's stream he's calling ISP

What is weird is that FerretSoftware is still live

[frosty mural]

prolly on seperate network

[wheat sleet]

Stream died?

[brazen drift]

ya

[wheat sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[bold thunder]

Can someone please have Thor do some basic MTU checks for the path he has a problem with

Testing RuneScape MTU with MTR:

1. Find RuneScape server IP (or use world servers like world1.runescape.com)

2. Test with large packets:

   mtr -s 1472 world1.runescape.com
   

3. If packet loss occurs, reduce size:

   mtr -s 1400 world1.runescape.com
   mtr -s 1200 world1.runescape.com
   

4. Look for:

• Sudden packet loss at specific hops = MTU bottleneck
• 100% loss after a hop = fragmentation issues

1. Set your MTU to largest working packet size + 28 (IP/ICMP headers)

Quick test: mtr -s 1472 -c 10 oldschool1.runescape.com

If 1472 works, your path supports 1500 MTU. If not, binary search down until packets get through cleanly.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[tender gazelle]

RIP stream, crazy

[nova bough]

are you from jagex or just a ran?

[wheat sleet]

Winky addicted yet?

[nova bough]

fan even

[fallow briar]

Crash of doom

[proud depot]

ferrets are fine though, which is weird

[fallow briar]

Yeahhh

[bold thunder]

I’m even better…. A network engineer lmao

[fallow briar]

I was thinking the same thing

[wheat sleet]

Wqs he using the Jagex client at the time or runelite?

[terse pelican]

He tried both

[nova bough]

lol.not sure if he'll mess with it, i doubt hes looking here atm

[wheat sleet]

I mean at the time of the crash specifically

If it was the Jagex client the attacker could have used some longstanding vulerability in the client to crash his pc

[bold thunder]

My mom told me to always rule out normal TCP/IP shenanigans
Before blaming hackers

[proud depot]

What we have learn here is your mother is Mrs Roberts from XKCD

[stark pier]

If he thinks it's a slight hitch or variance in his ethernet have him try this. https://test.vsee.com/network/index.html

it diagnosed an ongoing issue that never showed up between me and my ip

[bold thunder]

So the fun fact that stuff works fine over VPN means we can look at what VPN encapsulation / re-route traffic
Does to the packets

1. If they are at 1500 MTU they get fragged

So that means 1 packet becomes 2

[lapis flame]

its not MTU

[bold thunder]

Number 2

The breakout of the traffic

Is moved to the vpn providers

Termination

[nova bough]

well, to be fair, the internet is unhinged. in normal cases I would agree with you.

[bold thunder]

So VPN works which is great he’s either bypassing a segment of internet transit that somehow was messing with the TCP session OR

One of about 10+ things lol

Could be upstream DDoS protection could be soooooo many things

[lapis flame]

if its an attack using crafted packets, then a VPN will help until they do the same with all the exit nodes of the VPN service Thor uses.

[nova bough]

my guess is DDoS protection

[bold thunder]

But good old MTR MTU check is a really great place to start

[lapis flame]

no, MTU is not the problem

its just not.

[jolly sky]

The main problem is that the timeouts to the servers were happening whenever the game was being displayed on Stream. Whether it be display capture, webcam pointed at monitor, or webcam pointed at phone, while being directly on the network (via Cable or Wifi)

When the game wasn't actively being displayed, there were no problems.

[lapis flame]

MTU would not show up intermittently

[bold thunder]

Because in the last 15 years when stuff like this has happened it’s been MTU related on a specific service (one fun one was ICMP traffic was fine but TCP oh boy)

[bold thunder]

oh boy

It’s rare but I’ve been on cases

Upstream transit in Germany had the issue but the Swedish path was fine

Anyway long story I need to get my kids to bed brb

[jolly sky]

Thor, by his own words, was playing the game off monitor or toggled off game capture just fine, but as soon as it was being shown, that is when the timeout happened, and was reproduced multiple times. It is highly unlikely*to be something that was software, or network-based.

[lapis flame]

or its just a guy hatewatching and wanting to ruin Thors day

[ivory schooner]

One of those “I’ll make him pay” types and when you ask them why, their reasons are based souly on YouTube essays

[late bane]

he even mentioned after about 2 hours into the stream it stopped for awhile, which could indicate the attacker probably left to go do something else before returning.

[bold thunder]

I’m wondering why Cisco/HPE juniper hasn’t been sponsoring “high profile” streamers with some their SD-WAN / whatever gear

A SSR120 or some lovely application aware router would be a smart move when stuff like this is mission critical

[undone parcel]

I dont think its an attack tho, i feel like its just towards runescape specifically on that ISP on that hour

[jolly sky]

Yea, I smell someone watching the stream and just hitting "attack" once its on stream

[ivory schooner]

He tested it multiple times to the point where it wasn’t a coincidence

[jolly sky]

If that were the case, surely it would have happened in the 4 days previous of streams

[marsh loom]

Didn’t it also happen when he showed a video of his gameplay yesterday morning?

[undone parcel]

Yes, what im saying is in that specific hours, the isp prob block the game...
ALTHO
If he plays another mp game, does it suffers the same problem?

[late bane]

Thor sure has one interesting puzzle infront of him now.

[minor nymph]

Heyo!

[ivory schooner]

Wait you think the ISP is doing it?

[minor nymph]

They are not hitting my infrastructure directly.
They are hitting the ISPs Switch just above us.
The ISP is now mitigating and will be getting back to me tomorrow for ongoing mitigation from their end.
This is why nothing was showing up when we looked at our level.

[nova bough]

oh thats interesting

[bold thunder]

This is where we normally bust out the white board and slice up
The network traffic path into sections and use
The “divide and concur” method for all these fun theories

[tribal canyon]

so i assume your default gateway?

[nocturne elk]

So that's, like, a crime or smth yea?

[tribal canyon]

in the UK it would be

[late bane]

Took awhile but atleast you figured it out.

[tribal canyon]

computer misue act

[lapis flame]

CFAA probably covers it in the US

[nova bough]

it probably is in the US. getting the info to track them down and prosecute is another story.

[bold thunder]

So one fun fast work around

Grab a 5G router
Connect it to a second Ethernet link on the PC

Using the “ROUTE” utils in windows
Point default 0.0.0.0/0 out the normal network next hop ( the current router)

And point just the RuneScape server ranges out via the 5G GW

No vpn needed just split on the PC

[undone parcel]

Pc needs to stream with home network...

[bold thunder]

Yeah that’s covered by the default

[split tulip]

ok that was some strange spam

[minor nymph]

Yep!

[frosty mural]

lmao tf was that for a second

[undone parcel]

Ooh ye soz i didnt read the default

[ivory schooner]

Is it even worth trying to find and prosecute someone because of runescape?throwing justification out the window for a sec I’d imagine it’d simply just be EXPENSIVE

[warm finch]

Is the Ferret stream being affected?

[proven summit]

ferrets were still live

[late bane]

doesn't look like it is.

[bold thunder]

This is “host level windows routing” which you wouldn’t do normally but this is one use case

[nova bough]

i dont know how much it affects Thor. thats the real question.

[frosty mural]

btw there aparently is a web based osrs client called webosrs.com
there are some browsers with built in VPN that only affect anything on browser side (as exaple OperaGX has one iirc)

[undone parcel]

Ngl, not worth pursuing, but the runescape guys could sue the attacker, cos stopping their business on that specific isp

[frosty mural]

oh sht I hope I disabled the ping XD

[late bane]

atleast his ISP is onto it.

[humble hinge]

good luck Thor! hopefuly you can get to the bottom of this and lock off this thing in future

[bold thunder]

Actually the fastest kit would be just a starlink (has everything needed) and then route only RuneScape IPs via that path (if this was my PC and I had to get it working in the next 40 hours without running to the store)

[frosty mural]

disruption of business or something like that (at least I know its a proper case where I live)

[humble hinge]

the lengths people would go to, to literally sabotage your business, surely this is criminal enough to get sometime done

[ashen silo]

wonder if that guy harassing him ingame osrs can be prosecuted as well 🤔