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[ocean agate]

7s confirmed

[golden mirage]

can confirm that, I used to play ranger with longbow and greatsword, and a mixmatch build that wasn't optimized for anything but was a semi-decent allrounder. Rarely had problems until I started getting into the more challenging parts of the game.

[subtle gate]

[proud depot]

777 acquired

[subtle gate]

sounds like I'm missing a party

[opaque raven]

It's Sunday morning, why the frick are people already being weird on chat?

The troll agenda never sleeps...

[frozen nimbus]

Yeah

I never really join streams, I joined it, and theres already tons off trolls in chat

Like the first message I saw was a hate

Bro people are saying "undertale ripoff" on the blockgame stream.

Ig block game is undertale now???

[sinful kestrel]

They both use pixels

[frozen nimbus]

Any game that uses pixels is a undertale clone now confirmed

[proud depot]

Other games are allowed to look like doodles

and if we want to be pedantic about it, the undertale artstyle is remeniscent of earthbound

not hating on undertale or anything

[frozen nimbus]

Saying heartbound is a ripoff off undertale is just so stupid to me, like its just really scraping the bottem off the barrel

[proud depot]

was likely inspired, but not a ripoff by any means

[frozen nimbus]

Oh yeah definitely inspired

[ocean agate]

Heartbound was inspired by wario ware for combat and i forget what the graphics was but its older then undertale iirc

[frozen nimbus]

But it is such a good and different game.

like yeah this is probably really obvious, but all the people saying its a undertale ripoff never even played the game

Or just heard someone else say its a rip off

[proud depot]

I haven't played it yet myself, but when Thor declares it finished I'll buy it

[frozen nimbus]

Ive played the demo, and a bit off the full game at a friends house

Found it really good

[opaque raven]

Wait till people play Earthbound and think it's a ripoff of Undertale

[ocean agate]

they wont say shit since it has nothing to do with Thor

[indigo wadi]

@ocean agate

[ocean agate]

sweet, ill log in to my character when you get on and i can give you a guild invite

i am in #gaming1

[indigo wadi]

oh i can't join vc right now

[ocean agate]

ok, if you use the command
/joinsquad Byron Snowpelt
you will join my squad and i can invite you to the guild

guilds are account wide so it doesnt matter wich character

[indigo wadi]

Unknown command

[ocean agate]

/squadjoin Byron Snowpelt

dislexia ftw

[indigo wadi]

one moment

[indigo wadi]

okay so it was like this screen, but the other expansions were greyed out except Visions, but my last expansion that I paid for was Path of Fire

oh now they aren't greyed out

[ocean agate]

so with guild wars 2 yo uhave to buy each one, you dont have to buy them in order you can jump around however you want but they dont give you the old ones when you buy the newest like wow or 14

[indigo wadi]

ah okay

Also the prices seem...cheaper?

[ocean agate]

the newer expansions are not as large as the older ones, but still fun and are going to be released every year

[indigo wadi]

ah okay

and each expansion gives a character slot?

[ocean agate]

they did, not sure if thats only when you preorder though. let me look at something

[indigo wadi]

Okay this isn't fair lol

[ocean agate]

oh....umm i have a whistle that summons one like a pet

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, these are harvesting tools

okay, i need to get some sleep. I'll probably be playing at some point later on

[winged knoll]

@ocean agate hope US ping treat me well

[proud depot]

for the record the heart is spinning counterclockwise

I actually hate the spiders in chat

they'd be fine if it didn't have the bit going above the text

[wicked schooner]

Woah, whats ironmouse's hype train record?

[opaque raven]

71? Something around it

[winged knoll]

@ocean agate

so slow

[wicked schooner]

Oh, i thought she beat vedal's record or something

[opaque raven]

iirc Mouse beat her own record but idk about the rest

[winged knoll]

@ocean agate sorry to hear that man

you are as old as Thor now

@ocean agate i'm in

[opaque raven]

If they were good at making guilds or war it wouldn't have a second game, the lore would be done with the first one

[winged knoll]

Guild War so good they make Guild War 2

@ocean agate see ya later, gotta take a quick nap my dog is not on fire i swear

[gloomy forge]

i've been playing wheel world and its probably indie game of the year. that the guy who made nidhogg made it is probably the biggest feat of an indie dev I've seen the previous decade. Like you're the dev who made Froggers and then you get a random idea and go straight into developing Dark Souls just because of that, impressive. game is fun as hecc as well.

[winged knoll]

oh new pfp

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-pepe-gif-26375522

hope everyone is having a nice day

[high canyon]

Golden Kappa train on Thor stream

[west tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

[silent plank]

when the odyssey is etrian

[lapis flame]

i dont like how slow the updater is. Game is on an nvme drive, this should go faster than single-digit MB/s

[gloomy forge]

its a server issue, nvmes don't really matter when it comes to download speeds.

even a HDD can handle 10 gbit speeds. 100 mb download speed per second.

can be pushed as much as 150 mb/s

so when there is slow download speeds that usually mean server infrastructure can't handle faster.

[muted robin]

I'm way late to the convo but honestly who cares. Star Wars is a Dune ripoff, Warcraft is/was a Warhammer ripoff, both of them are pop culture phenomena considered some of the best/the best of their genre. Who cares if something is derivative or not

[gloomy forge]

yeah true, everything is a copy of a copy of a copy.

[muted robin]

Ppl are just being mean

[gloomy forge]

There really isn't much real originality. writers copy from each other, all musicians and graphical artists and illustrators do the same. That is to say, there is a degree between inspiration and plagarism. Even if you remake Star Wars 1 by 1 but instead of space its about ships and the sea then it becomes something new again.

[muted robin]

Palworld is apparently so similar to Pokemon they're literally getting lawsuits over it and yet that was basically why people love it, because it takes the Pokemon premise of "world full of magic tameable creatures" and does it differently

(This is not a critique or informed commentary on Palworld)

But like if there's one thing that is universally loved in storytelling, it's taking something that's proven to be lovable and fun and doing it in your style

Oh boy two cakes etc etc

[gloomy forge]

I can see that, i think there is a difference between "pokemon but different" and "this is literally pokemon" though. Palworld isn't even in the same universe and has entirely different settings and lore.

its as if westwood is suing blizzard because warcraft 1 copied from dune 2.

silly af.

[muted robin]

I want to play Heartbound with no spoilers on my own so I haven't looked at any critiques but I really can't imagine what "ripoff" accusations hold water compared to basically any other media

[gloomy forge]

because people haven't played the game and are just yapping.

[muted robin]

I mean, Undertale didn't invent the concepts of fourth wall breaking, morality systems, multiple endings, etc etc

[gloomy forge]

and even if it would, wouldn't matter. many games did it better before and after. Its just that it created a specific niche and garnered a lot of fans. The game came out during the right time.

[muted robin]

Also
<has never played undertale so why would I even care if it's derivative or not

[gloomy forge]

Just remake it before releasing it v1.0 then. not a big deal.

Or keep it as it is.

[muted robin]

I'd probably cover it on my soon to be YT channel bc I'm going to do story/writing reviews and analyses of various media. Yes unfortunately I am also a grifter but at least I am an honest one

[nimble fractal]

Khronos is a Bard confirmed

[muted robin]

I'm joking mainly

[gloomy forge]

I don't care if one guy or a billion say its garbage, I judge shit based on my own hunches not what others say. Being influenced only gets you so far. If I think its hot garbage, then its my own opinion, not an opinion that others tell me to have.

[muted robin]

I call it grifting bc I'm still riding the algorithm wave and hanging on Pirate's coattails to boost my popularity the only difference is I intend to play Heartbound out of genuine curiosity and not just coming in to crap on it

Something something "a rising tide raises all ships"

[gloomy forge]

I hope Heartbound is gonna be great. If it has at least one big twist or scene that makes me think about it post game then its as good as undertale in terms of writing because i felt the same when playing it. At least narratively.

When it comes to the music I feel the quality is all over the place. I loved the cheapness of undertale. That "more than meets the eye" feeling of it.

[muted robin]

And also worst case scenario if I don't like it or don't have anything to say about it I just won't make a video probably bc usually stuff only captures my attention long enough for a video if I feel strongly enough about it

[gloomy forge]

I doubt that Deltarune goes beyond that and turns into Evoland or something, if its "Undertale but more" that automatically makes me less interested.

Heartbound became a thing for me to consider playing because of the controversy. So I'm actually will be diving into it with a negative bias.

[muted robin]

Tbh the main thing I'm curious about is that in a Dr K interview Thor said that one of the levels' antagonists is (in short/summarized) based on his mom who was kind of crappy at being a mom. As someone with mommy issues I'm very interested in that

Also the music is banger

[gloomy forge]

Absolutely no clue, I'm open whenever. I've been waiting for Exanima to be fully out and that game is has been in development for 2 or 3 times longer than Heartbound.

No clue to be honest. Maybe Thor didn't wanted combat in it.

solely focusing on narration is an interesting idea.

[brisk sparrow]

The only fights being bosses is on purpose

[muted robin]

i think the combat is mainly in one specific chapter but i can't remember where i heard that, it was just thor mentioning it on stream in the middle of talking about something else

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, development can be a curious thing. Things you didn't want and suddenly you go "meh lets see how it goes". The disconnect between what the dev wants and what the audience is asking for has always been a fun topic to discuss for me.

yeah its a iterative concept.

r&d for indie games is like 1000 times cheaper than on big games with big tech, at least back then.

Nowadays people can simulate big things in UE5.

I can see why even big studios switch to unreal engine.

to give you an example. You know Assassins Creed Black Flag? That required several studios throughout the globe and hundreds of researchers, artists and concept programmers to just make the tech surrounding it work.

and that costed dozens of millions of USD.

alone, even before making the actual game.

Because nowadays people can make an unpolished prototype for cheaper.

I wanted to support your argument there that you're right and that things have changed.

regarding iterations for creating proof of concepts and such.

and that indies don't need to waste significant amounts of time and money to make R&D.

because you brought up the action scenes and began talking about prototyping.

which is a general thing in making stuff.

he made two games though.

well, one was more of a small arcade game and the other one is indevelopment.

and you wrote "released one(1)".

not finished one if that makes sense.

overall i agree with your implications that hearbound has been in a sort of development hell. Maybe Thors gonna finish it in a way people like it or not. I will judge the thing as-is once I get my hands on it.

Eh thats just semantics, you do you good to know though.

[placid moat]

Honest question, why do you guys still support PirateSoftware?

[gloomy forge]

I was just curious about the guy and wanted to lurk, got subs gifted and people were really nice.

So I decided to stay, came into the discord arguing for SKG only to find reasonable arguments and many people talked back and forth. Wasn't an echo chamber or people weren't overaly aggressive. I don't really care about Thor himself but the streams alright background noise. Also this place has good information regarding indie development and its honestly a good repository of things. I'd watch him more if he plays more unique games like the ones he plays now.

[placid moat]

💀

[gloomy forge]

Tons of people have different opinions about the drama shit but I feel most are tired.

[hasty grail]

hes a chill guy who does cool content

i think the drama is overblown

no one should have that much hate against them

thats what it boils down to

tearing into every aspect of someone's life for what reason? to make yourself feel better?

to have someone to hate?

[shy ridge]

It's overblown because it's profitable tbh

[gloomy forge]

Yeah theres a few but they don't blow up because it goes against majority opinion, a bit sad because I feel a lot of people who're for and against it actually are somewhat on the same page. What matters is some of the details.

[hasty grail]

doxing someone because you dont like them?

its been building for a long time and this is another chapter of it

[gloomy forge]

I'm for SKG and argued my points and people argued theirs, no need to get angry because you disagree with someones opinion, at least for me.

[hasty grail]

think back to the WoW drama or him being accused of cheating in a puzzle game that came out within a week

[shy ridge]

I mean there is genuine criticism you can make of pirate but his whole career empire is not crumbling as people say nor should it

[hasty grail]

"hur dur Thor quit streaming" no, that was his day off

thats one of the video titles that Quintheo put out

its stupid

is Thor actively trying to do good in the world in some way?

yes

[shy ridge]

I think genuinely if he laid low or just took accountability then it would blow over way faster

[hasty grail]

pushing the idea of indie game devs by the way of gamejams

[gloomy forge]

I'm alone with that opinion but I feel that big communities sometimes need some weird drama so the streamer know if their community can stand the test of time or that they fumble under the slightest big of pressure.

[hasty grail]

having a passion for mushrooms and talking about that

[shy ridge]

A large point I see is that it's fine that he isn't a great programmer but it's that he claims to be and is actively heralded as a voice in this kind of community

[gloomy forge]

I mean Thor isn't the only one that does that but hes probably the only bit streamer that doesn't just allure people with prices and money.

Moonmoons gamejam is massive as well and also Dokibird is holding a gamejam.

[forest nymph]

Thor has helped and continues to help tons of people

[hasty grail]

i disagree with Thor on things

hell, on someone who ive followed for YEARS

[gloomy forge]

communities aren't cults. Its a bad analogy. As I said, a lot of people watch streamers for different reasons because they hold different opinions.

[hasty grail]

i disagree with them

but does that make them a bad person? no

[shy ridge]

You don't build this kind of audience through luck though

[hasty grail]

it means that i like their content enough to stick around

[gloomy forge]

Yes, you need to be a streamer that people really enjoy watching.

Can you give examples? what does "out of pocket" mean?

[forest nymph]

i havent seen him do anything that bad lmao

[shy ridge]

That and you need to be a streamer with thicker skin or able to take accountability lol

If people enjoy you but they don't respect you you have a lolcow audience

[gloomy forge]

Yeah true.

[hasty grail]

Thor has a stance on SKG and thats it as far as recent months go

[muted robin]

i was about to go "you must be new here" but you literally are so. yeah neither of those things have worked

[dusky grove]

Actively... by ignoring it for 10 months before they dragged him back into it for publicity?

[forest nymph]

he has put out two videos on it and has said for people to not blindly follow him

he has stated his opinion and why he doesnt support it

and that's the end of it

[hasty grail]

even though Thor said in the vid that he would fully oppose it, he never followed up and moved on

and i think that he was more angry on how Ross worded it than anything else

[opaque raven]

Is SChat having a moment?

[dusky grove]

Yes

[gloomy forge]

I feel there has been a misunderstanding here. From the two videos that Thor put out, hes been mostly on board, its just that the details made him sounds weird and like a fool in parts.

The issue here is that people watch his videos only remember certain parts I think. It happened with me too. I support SKG and I remember getting really mad about this guy back pretty much a year ago, because of the drama I decided to check him out. I don't think thats wrong to do. Plenty of people seem to show support in a way, but its also reasonable to not like him because of his takes.

[forest nymph]

im a moment

[shy ridge]

How would you say so

[muted robin]

so him being against one single movement that he thinks is poorly phrased makes him against all consumer rights? despite the fact that he talks about stuff like how exploitative AAA and publishers are to devs, about how piracy is an accesibility/pricing issue and not "people being jerks", how microtransactions suck, how TOS that try to take people's rights to their own creations (adobe tos) are wrong?

[flint sinew]

nah, just one person asked a question and folks are responding

normal stuff so far

[opaque raven]

Ah, super fine thn

[shy ridge]

Also I don't think he's done either really

[muted robin]

man some movements really think they're entitled to success and everyone who disagrees with them is evil

[placid moat]

Yeah very true but nonetheless pushing aside whatever's right or wrong Pirate seems to be going about it in a rather self destructive manor. Like either way this is going to damage his career in the long term. As somebody who was a big fan some of the choices hes made the past few weeks to months just seems ridiculous. I understand every content creator has some kind of façade they hold up to their audience but whether or not he's right or wrong he's essentially tearing down everything he's built over the past several years over things that are rather superfluous yea?

[hasty grail]

also i think that WHAT WAS WRITTEN for SKG is part of the issue for it as a whole

[gloomy forge]

Thats one of the few things I can criticise this place for. Someone asks a question and answering in a non-weird way = "having a moment". People should be allowed to just talk if its done in good faith. I feel mods handle it great though.

[forest nymph]

im pretty sure thor said in one of his videos that the idea is good

correct me if im wrong

[hasty grail]

idea is fine, what was written is the issue

[shy ridge]

👆

[river cargo]

Maybe a hot take, but i dont think personable owning something as complex as a game is possible

[dusky grove]

Thor's actions in regards to helldivers proves he cares about the consumer. Skg just didnt meet his standards and he voiced that opinion

[hasty grail]

the FAQ should not be counted for "what was written" because its more of a wish list

thats my take on that entire thing

[muted robin]

mfw people still don't understand that the way bullying/cyber harassment works is that no matter what you do people will find a way to twist it as you being stupid/evil, because the harassment isn't about what you did, it's about harassing you and the things you do are just means to that end

[dusky grove]

That seems reductive to the work put into it

[river cargo]

I think alot of SKG fans are upset that thor said "i hope you movement gets nothing you wanted"

[shy ridge]

Uh yeah which is why you appeal to your fans and people on the neutral side lol

[forest nymph]

i think he also said that people should be told that they're purchasing a license, not the game, and that it's stinky that's not the norm, or something like that?

[candid pecan]

Yeah the concept is sound but its execution and their complete lack of acknowledgement or addressing of issues with anything other than 1# you're misinformed actually or 2# read the faq(even though that faq actively contradicts itself let alone provides actual concrete info) is what's actually the problem imo

[shy ridge]

Bringing attention to it as much as possible actively forces your audience to listen to them

[gloomy forge]

Yes I also think that a lot of what he said and how he said it is fairly detrimental to his image. But that doesn't mean others can feel otherwise. Some people may just like someone that goes against what the majority says.

Its also a good way to make SKG steadfast as a movement, criticism here is a way to ensure a movement can stand the test of time as well. goes both ways. I just wish for SKG to actualy become a political grassroots movement with people from the community to interview all sorts of developers and such instead of just something streamers and youtube content creators support.

[forest nymph]

it's a response to their shitty behaviour towards him and backs up his claims on the movement lmao

perfectly fine

[river cargo]

dont think he and ross disagreed there

[opaque raven]

But people literally answered that no, it's not a moment

[gloomy forge]

but I feel talking about politics further is against the rules here, its just my tiny criticism on SKG.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah true, I was just picking up on the sentiments. Not against you or anything sorry if I sounded that way.

[muted robin]

but anyways i love how thor literally constantly speaks out against exploitation of game devs and consumers and crappy business practices but because he doesn't agree with one (1) movement suddenly it's okay to judge all of his political stances on that one thing rather than the stances that he consistently has held for years and even put financial resources into supporting

[flint sinew]

keep the convo tame, dont delve into certain topics we have aksed not to be in these spaces

[shy ridge]

It's complex in the way as in most legislators have never heard of a video game before lmao

[jolly sky]

What choices? Defending himself against lies and misconception? Having an opinion?

[gloomy forge]

Yes exactly.

[dusky grove]

But how much of it is it actually being simple vs you perceiving it to be simple because of familiarity?

Writing a book for me is simple, because I've been writing for years. But for others less experienced, not really unless theyre really talented

[muted robin]

bro has done more for indie devs than 99% of the people farming him and that's honestly why i don't care about the drama, it's crab in a bucket behavior

[hasty grail]

anyways, back to cursing at the traveling merchant in stardew for not bringing me the crap i need

[shy ridge]

Real

[forest nymph]

i think it's because a lot of people against him do not normally watch his streams/shorts and they just follow whatever they see first

[worthy ivy]

agree 100% with this: Thor should totally just sell out on his principles and pretend he's behind something he isn't just for an easy life and his "career". the mob is always correct, right? so why shouldn't he subjugate himself to the will of the majority? something something Winston realising the whole point is for him to come to love his opressor

[forest nymph]

threaten them

[worthy ivy]

/s

[shy ridge]

I mean that in the sense of how hard it is to get legislature moving that's related to games

[muted robin]

well yes of course

[hasty grail]

i tried, but they gave me spring fish and farm items

[flint sinew]

we're not getting into back-n-forths on skg here

do that in your own spaces

[dusky grove]

Like, yeah. I do agree that people should own things they buy. And the way companies will shut down fully singleplayer games is scummy as hell. But not all games are fully singleplayer.

But thats the last I'll say

[gloomy forge]

I'm gonna jump off this talk though because its all over the place. but yeah its always fun when people can have a talk. I just wanted to give my own perspective on why I came to this place and that its not cult like. Its a massive place and you will find plenty of people who say that Thor isn't always right.

[dusky grove]

We've talked skg to heck and back anyway

[gloomy forge]

Yeah true.

[forest nymph]

personally, i think cheeseburgers go well with fries

[dusky grove]

Onion ring supremacy

[muted robin]

it's gotten better recently but most of the reason ppl are on edge is literally just the quantity of ppl who came in just to troll, or who sealioned and pretended to be here "just to talk" and then came out as trolls

but again, i feel like that's gotten better. idk bc thunderdome closed? ppl got tired? idek

maybe it's worse in gen chat tho, everything is worse in gen chat

[flint sinew]

gen chat is fine

[dusky grove]

It seems to have gotten better

[muted robin]

it's too fast :(

[flint sinew]

general chatter

yes

it's fast

[gloomy forge]

yeah genchat can be wild.

[shy ridge]

It makes you wonder why games shut down their servers for full single player games though. Aversion against unlicensed servers like club penguin?

[dusky grove]

People stopped talking about it after they got what they needed. A welcome respite

[forest nymph]

if you can't beat them

[gloomy forge]

oops quoted the wrong guy, common mistake

[dusky grove]

They just moved on to... every other drama, which is honestly pitiful

[lapis tartan]

Brings it up again since I missed most of it. jk

[jolly sky]

Yea no sorry but you're vastly oversimplifying pretty much everything about how online games function

[river cargo]

they stopped because the initiative reached its goals tbf

[shy ridge]

Yeah valid

[dusky grove]

Yeah thats what i meant

[forest nymph]

they forgot about it, since some time passed and they moved on with other drama on LSF

[late pond]

So what is he supposed to do?

• Go about his business and ignore the issue as much as possible? That's what he's doing, and people claim he's "doubling down" on whatever they happen to be angry about.
• Post a public apology about being rude about his criticisms? He did, and it went unnoticed.
• Explicitly support SKG in several public appearances? People will claim he is "being insincere", if they even notice it exists.
• Quit streaming, close his ferret rescue and change careers? People will claim "he's weak and took the easy way out".

---

The problem is that "being the bigger person" is always, ALWAYS, being asked of the victim of unacceptable behavior, and NEVER of the perpetrators.

[river cargo]

alot of those people then misrepresented heartbound, or outer wilds playthroughs, or the fake lyric stuff

they probably still support SKG

but it's past that now

and they just want to make up reasons to hate

[lapis tartan]

reaches goals, up to the politicians now? Sees drama over games and censorship Hope slowly depleting.

[forest nymph]

just a question, now that the initiative has reached its goal, what's next?

[dusky grove]

Yeah that's unfortunate timing for their part...

[river cargo]

true, but it still did reach its goal

[flint sinew]

hmm, are we still talking skg here

[dusky grove]

In terms for the public, nothing really. Its out of our hands

But again. Lets move on

[forest nymph]

my bad, disregard

[late pond]

Politicians are forced to have debate about it.
Then it's up to politicians to decide if they want to suggest a law or not.
If a law is proposed, the usual debates and voting takes place.

[worthy ivy]

personally I'm in favour of stopping killing godzilla.... dude's had enough of us bothering him over the decades

[dusky grove]

I feel like magic is tapping their lands for a board wipe

[river cargo]

next is for people to shit on thor for made up drama by some ex-fan who obsesses over photoshop a little too much

[shy ridge]

It will be submitted to the European Commission

For legislative consideration

[jolly sky]

Look it's been talked to death, but no, it's not still not as simple as that and that's all I'll say

[shy ridge]

People actively bringing attention to someone looking on their phone for a game puzzle goes to show how stupid it is now lol

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, I feel that if people have question, just watch Thors videos again and when something doesn't seem so simple search up what he means. People have the right to call Thor out for misinterpretation but he also bought up some good points when it came to the potential problems.

[river cargo]

whats worse are all the fake text logs and discord chats they made

[late pond]

To be clear, these petitions have achieved nothing but "being put on the agenda" for legislative bodies.
It gets officially talked about in a parliament. That's it.

[flint sinew]

last time saying, move on from this talk

[river cargo]

they're deliberately slandering thor

[flint sinew]

find other things to discuss

[placid moat]

sure defend your beliefs and opinions but that's not necessarily the issue if you paid attention to the debacle. The main issue that I and many other fans have is that in the process of defending himself he spread baseless claims, straight up lies and personally attacked Ross and other content creators in the process while displaying highly dismissive and narcissistic tendencies.

[hasty grail]

pineapple is great on pizza

fite me

[shy ridge]

Yeah the thing is though is that most European legislatures don't gaf about games

[hasty grail]

mushrooms have no place on pizza

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/possible-aliens-ancient-aliens-gif-9175949

[river cargo]

we're ending this discussion, but thor did not lie to ross, nor charlie, nor mutahar

[forest nymph]

i dislike pineapple in general

[shy ridge]

They'll go "uhhh forcing companies to do something? Ehhh probably don't want to do that" then slap a no on it lol

[gloomy forge]

mods, yeah this guy right here.

[forest nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[lapis tartan]

more pineapple for me then. 😄

[hasty grail]

i raise you pineapple on a roasted ham

[shy ridge]

We have to duel 💔

[jolly sky]

"Spread baseless claims and lies"

I've yet to see any of those.

[late pond]

There should be a content creator with the name "Pineapple". The drama would create itself.

[dusky grove]

Breaking news, human when put under stress makes mistakes in trying to defend themselves. Wow, shocker. What a aurprise

[worthy ivy]

subject change
"I want to talk about hairstyles from the 70s"

[forest nymph]

i dislike mushrooms in general

[worthy ivy]

wonder if I can find the interview?

[shy ridge]

Is it like a taste thing or texture thing for you

[dusky grove]

Dunno. Didn't have hair in the 70s

[forest nymph]

duude the texture is sooo disgusting

[wicked schooner]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1QLWWihBK6w
Have you guys tried a full can of corn on pizza?

[placid moat]

he didn't lie to them because he refuses to have a public discussion with them, He lied to his fans and his general public.

[river cargo]

show proof

[shy ridge]

Real lmao

[dusky grove]

Honestly I wanna try the sweet potato pizza

[shy ridge]

TOBY FOX BUILT THIS IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

[hasty grail]

buy the demo first

[forest nymph]

i tried fried sweet potatoes like a month ago and now im addicted

[shy ridge]

Honestly I get it

[river cargo]

being a kickstarter backer

[forest nymph]

my body rejects it i cant do anything about it

[flint sinew]

[shy ridge]

I love me some mushrooms but that's how it be

[river cargo]

ah classic you must also believe those lyric "leaks" then and quin69's "twenty videos on piratesoftware cheating"

[forest nymph]

game's being updated monthly

[river cargo]

but you didn't

[hasty grail]

oi

[river cargo]

so you're not a backer lol

[hasty grail]

we just moved on

[late pond]

The fact that Jake_the_Snake refers to Thor as "Jason" shows that he does not know the first thing about Pirate Software.

[dusky grove]

There's been too many trolls coming after heartbound, i doubt anyone claiming to have backed it is telling the truth

[worthy ivy]

found it! the most hillarious press conference ever held
was following the ATHF scare in boston where the police panicked because of the light-up signs they'd set up to promote the movie

(don't think this counts as politics? it was 20 years ago now... mods can delete if it is I suppose?)

enjoy chat
https://youtu.be/X2fGzmphx4U?t=43

[hasty grail]

im a backer, i bought the demo

[river cargo]

proof

[hasty grail]

had to take out a small loan of 10,000,000 roman denari to do so

[flint sinew]

go troll elsewhere

[lapis tartan]

Heh, he gone.

[dusky grove]

The game has been getting updates monthly since the start of the year. The reason it was paused for a time was because, if I'm remembering correctly he said it, he was setting up the whole business side of things after blowing up socially

[gloomy forge]

I get what you're saying here and somewhat agree with you in some parts. I always heard the "Thor is lying" claims but in a lot of ways it feels like missunderstandings between several groups of people. Can you give examples of what these lies are? Just so I can inform myself there.

[river cargo]

These people could always provide proof that they knew "jason" or that they backed heartbound xD

[flint sinew]

message history shows dude called him thor before this

troll

[dusky grove]

The moment he said "his father calls him jason" i knew he was just here to troll. Yearjoy calls him thor

[river cargo]

well it's not a bannable offense to switch between thor and jason though?

he should've been banned for lying about being a heartbound backer

[late pond]

Person claiming to know Thor in real life, and then proceeds to call him out in Discord, rather than in person.

[dusky grove]

Yeah but the intent was clear enough

[worthy ivy]

my father calls me lazy, doesn't mean he's right

[forest nymph]

mine does too

he's correct

[hasty grail]

its not, but when you are trying to be an absolute ass about things then its a code of conduct issue

[gloomy forge]

As with the narcissist angle, i feel people did misinterpret a lot of what Dr. K was talking about when it comes to "the missing missing reasons" because its mostly between the disconnect between streamers and their audiences, but also interpersonal relationships between streamers. Thor simply had a blind eye on that and it snowballed.

[shy ridge]

Dr k is so great

[wicked schooner]

"Mama call me disappointment, papa call me fat"

[flint sinew]

move
along
please

[hasty grail]

ive got that saved

[forest nymph]

anyone play modded minecraft?

[gloomy forge]

Ahhhh, alrighty then. Thought it was still alright to talk about that.

Just haven't thought about that angle or was curious what people thing which is why I brought it up. Its saul goodman.

[lapis tartan]

I got to use my Kobold again, so I'm happy.

[flint sinew]

yes, with the 5 times ive asked folks to move onto different discussions

[opaque raven]

That actually brings me to a question I had
Is BlockGame considered a mod?

[hasty grail]

behold, food trauma

[hasty grail]

yes

[forest nymph]

just serverside

[hasty grail]

its a VERY modded minecraft server

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its based on MMOCore which is a mod.

[dusky grove]

I do think that the "missing missing reasons" is a good thing to keep in mind when talking to anyone nowadays.

Not even talking about thor. I just keep thinking of what I tell to people and how my biases affect my word choice

[gloomy forge]

Yeah alright, alright. I stopge now

[opaque raven]

I imagined that maybe there was a more correct term instead of mod

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, sometimes self reflection goes a long way, always a good thing to consider

[forest nymph]

plugins, datapacks

[opaque raven]

Hmm cool

[gloomy forge]

Suddenly silence

i've been playing wheel world and holy its good.

[dusky grove]

So... kpop demon hunters

[gloomy forge]

Yeah I haven't watched it yet but I've seen scenes and what not.

[dusky grove]

Music. Solid 9 if not 10/10

[gloomy forge]

seems seriously well made but people do seem to overblow it into proportions. presentation seems top notch.

not deep but certainly expressive and flashy. the animation looks insane to be honest.

[dusky grove]

Animation. 8/10. Some of the running scenes could have been more exaggerated. They look kinda stiff in certain scenes

Plot... 7/10

[gloomy forge]

oh noes my expectations.

[dusky grove]

This is just me nitpicking. But the macro plot is good. The personal conflicts...

Spoilers: ||rumi and jinu's personal conflicts just get solved at the drop of a hat. 1 moment we see her breaking down in front of celine, the next she's already accepted herself for what she is. No scene for self reflection. Not even talking to herself. Just shows up at the final fight already finished with all the baggage||

[gloomy forge]

why did I click on the spoiler. truth be told it makes me intruiged.

what AI is that?

[blissful imp]

Gemini 2.5 Flash. Googles ai

[dusky grove]

Still would recc to watch it. Its good and not that long. Its just a bit fast paced, even for me

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/this-smells-so-good-rumi-kpop-demon-hunters-the-aroma-is-delightful-netflix-gif-10917465647597832573

[gloomy forge]

I mean you said "joke answer" which kinda had me fooled.

[dusky grove]

I do like how they linger on the unflattering shot and poses

Especially right before soda pop

[wicked schooner]

I cant help myself but keep hearing the misheard lyrics of that song lol

[dusky grove]

Which one?

[elder tangle]

Yeah. And that missing missing reasons usually comes back round to someone involved has a unforgiving heart.

Which ironically, the most narcisstic people I've met are those that refuse to forgive.

Which also means anyone trying to throw stones at Thor for this better be real careful with their accusations. Because if that's coming from a place of hate and unforgiveness, that also means those throwing the accusations are most at risk of being or becoming Narcissists themselves.

[gloomy forge]

I never really used any other AI other than Claude which I thought is the best on the market but I could be wrong.

[wicked schooner]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLx1mbFIlvt/
I dont know how instagram links work in discord but here

lazy_akuma1

Did they really said this? 🤣
#kpopdemonhunter #sajaboys #kpop #funnyvids #comedydrama #sodapop

Likes

24150

Instagram

[dusky grove]

I...

Its not even close...

[wicked schooner]

For me it kinda is

[gloomy forge]

While modge said to not talk about the topic in detail, I say that I agree with you there.

[gloomy forge]

Fun fact, iosys collabed with Toby Fox because of course they would

[dusky grove]

Theres a very distinct k sound tho...

Hmm... another short stream

[flat moat]

Thor was extra eepy today

Likely still recovering from his Euro trip

[gloomy forge]

Yeah hes getting old some old men need extra sleep.

[opaque raven]

Are you talking about Phantasia Lost from last year or is it something new?

[gloomy forge]

Dunno, I just know they collabd.

No clue about the actual details.

[opaque raven]

He did an insane arrangement on Embodiment of Scarlet Devil some time ago too

[gloomy forge]

I don't 100% follow everything Toby Fox does but its nice hes doing colabs and all.

[placid moat]

One thing I wanna specify about the narcissist thing that people understatedly get twisted is that it doesn't have to be inherently bad to be narcissist. I grew up with an older sibling that is a certified narcissist since we were kids and the thing is it only really becomes an issue if you can't face the fact that you're one. Lots of narcissistic people are immensely successful in their career or talents because of their narcissistic traits. The real issue lies with not being able to look yourself in the mirror and swallow that aforementioned pill because how are you supposed to manage something you refuse to recognize.

[jolly sky]

You know what is dumb? People trying to be an armchair psychiatrist, even when after watching an actual psychiatrist repeatedly say things that are against their armchair psychiatry

[opaque raven]

I mean, I know nothing about Toby Fox but I know the Touhou side of this

[gloomy forge]

Yeah some of it is certainly on the nose. The term "trait" you used there in your text does imply that narcissism is a spectrum. Its difficult for every day people to just point fingers and say "this one is a narcissist" since its not really clear cut.

[shy ridge]

A lot of that misunderstanding also comes from academia, a lot of people confuse having narcissistic traits with NPD

[worthy ivy]

everyone has the capacity for narcissism, the real question to ask is are you full-time or part-time? 🙂

[dusky grove]

I once heard someone say "It's a spectrum, we're all on it" in regards to autism and thats just kinda my stance on everything mental nowadays

[opaque raven]

Every week people choose the become specialists on specific fields they never heard about before.
News - a hurricane is approaching
Random internet person - I'm now a hurricane expert! I can debate with the tv guy on the same level

[lapis tartan]

Know what I learned from the Thunderdome? I don't have to always react to everything.

[hazy storm]

We all suffer from the dunning kruger effect

[opaque raven]

Idk..I'm not really reading the chat, I might be saying something veeeery off target ☀️

[late pond]

"This here is a grain of sand."
"This here is two grains of sand."
"This here is ten grains of sand."
"This here is two hundred and fifty grains of sand."
At what point do the grains of sand become a pile of sand?

[gloomy forge]

I react to your post though

[dusky grove]

Some people can be pure and clean, others can be a collage of every trait. But we're all on that sliding scale of (insert thing here)

[lapis tartan]

I shall react to yours. A new cycle of violence is born.

[high ember]

when there's enough to feel it if it was in your pocket imo

[hazy storm]

And i react to yours

It's a discord centipede of posts

[hazy storm]

What if I'm super sensitive

[high ember]

like a few grains of sand you won't notice
a whole handfull of sand is gonna be noticable

[gloomy forge]

The Discord Centipede, new horror movie

[hazy storm]

Id watch that

[dusky grove]

That sounds like one of those chain email viruses

[hazy storm]

I know exactly which discord servers id put on it too /j but not really

[tribal nest]

Yeah, I’ve got someone in my family who works as head of psychiatry (I know, a very trustworthy story on the internet), and every time I ask, he repeats that one of the main traits of a narcissist is that they will admit to being one, because they see nothing wrong with it (because how is it a bad thing if they’re obsessed with themselves, because that’s just logical, they’re awesome)

[late pond]

My point about the grains of sand becoming a pile is how people without proper training can make arbitrary bad calls on their observations.

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-star-wars-anakin-gif-5048799

[shy ridge]

I agree with this tbh, it's impossible to put everyone's experiences or circumstances into a small box

[hazy storm]

That's disturbimgly similar to how vegans always announce they are vegan

Just saying

[dusky grove]

I dont know where I heard this, so if anyone can verify lmk, but I heard from somewhere that someone being extremely hard on themself is another way narcissism expresses itself.

Something about just hyperfocusing on yourself. Idk if its true or not.

[opaque raven]

I just came back from YouTube!
Let's debate on the highest level!

[late pond]

I have heard this same point, with the added point that some narcissists will even claim their narcissism makes them superior to non-narcissists due to their ability to achieve more (or convince/gaslight/browbeat others into giving them the acknowledgements for more achievements).

[gloomy forge]

Professionals do that as well. Only because someone is trained doesn't mean they're prone to not misjudging people. Everyone has biases and argumentum ad verecundiam can be selfinflicted. Thats why do don't only read one book but several, and read several studies.

[ivory schooner]

I was gonna go into a tirade on perspective judgement but i took a step back and realized simply engaging was a problem unto itself

[wind hare]

Cut stream short again?

[gloomy forge]

Yeah Thor was eepy again.

[tribal nest]

I do not have enough expertise in psychology to say whether or not that means all vegans are narcissists, but you are free to assume so (I agree)

[wind hare]

😦

[dusky grove]

Eepy again. I would be lying if I wasnt concerned

[wind hare]

He's under a lot of stress

That can have physical effects

[ivory schooner]

What if he’s becoming normal

[hazy storm]

Holy shitballs yes. Some of the most closedminded and judgmental people I've met are the ones that have a wall of certifications and acronyms after their name

[umbral gazelle]

I would like to also point out being a professional does not equal you are skilled in anyway. it simply means you make money off it.

[tribal nest]

Yeah, most people would be shocked by the amount of doctors that are anti-vaxxers

[ivory schooner]

Bull works at china shop

[late pond]

Positions requiring a lot of credentials tends to attract narcissists, because that allows them to ignore the input from anyone who lacks those credentials in their professional life.

[lapis tartan]

This can also happen as you get more Zeros behind your bank balance.

[umbral gazelle]

Actually putting a bull in a china shop would not equal destruction mythbusters has tested this xD

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its the horseshoe theory. You can learn and read so much you essentially become trapped by your own narrow believes and rigid views books, studies and your careeer can give you. Being driven by your sense of knowledge rather than your ambitions is what helps fighting that.

[jolly sky]

Suprisingly as the Mythbusters proved, that would make them actually pretty good at that job

[gloomy forge]

Some very intelligent people become really stupid if they're pressured by something or challenged by someone with opposing ideas.

[hazy storm]

We don't call it China anymore. That's insensitive.

We call them porcelain plates totally not inspired by a large country in the far east (but only East in relation to the supposed center of civilization which is Europe)

[dusky grove]

Its funny cuz science is always evolving. What we believe to be true one year might be disproven the next. Remember that we once believed the earth was the center of the universe

[lapis tartan]

The more you know, the more you realize how little you truly know.

[ivory schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/arsequeef-critical-role-cr-crit-role-talks-machina-gif-20591848

[gloomy forge]

I remember an awesome online game called Minotaur in China Shop, was a legendary game.

[dusky grove]

As evidence gets unearth and research done, the texts we study change

[placid moat]

Yeah I used "traits" cause I don't wanna be out here like "oh yeah PirateSoftware is definitely a narcissist.☝️ 🤓 " , it's just as somebody whos spent years growing up with an actual one it's hard not to see some of the red flags especially after viewing Pirates knee jerk reactions in his vid with Dr. K. Which honestly I do respect Pirate for doing publicly even if he initially didn't get the response he was maybe expecting form Dr. K.

[ivory schooner]

I think that was the most incorrect thing I’ve ever said in here

[umbral gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzw2iBmRsjs

[dusky grove]

O7 grant

[late pond]

Many professionals who have settled comfortably in their careers tend to ignore those advances, and continue to operate at the knowledge level of the time they learned their jobs. This could lead to being up to 30-40 years out of date.

[umbral gazelle]

o7 he is missed

[hazy storm]

Change bull to 6 year old and you have a more accurate image

[dusky grove]

I think that just applies to humans in general, no?

Its usually the older and stable crowd that are more resistant to change, generalizing of course

[jolly sky]

One of the several very surprising results. That bull handles that course with grace and deft

[indigo wadi]

Boomers definitely weren't stable

[hazy storm]

I butted heads against 30 year workplace safety supervisors for this.

Nothing keeps workers healthier than the mindset that injured people should just "suck it up" because "in my day it wasn't a big deal" and "you only stopped work if you were dead"

[ivory schooner]

Do you have any accurate colloquial phrases akin to “thing that is in a position it should not be in for its mere presence would be an oxymoron and would inevitably result in damage”?

[dusky grove]

Financially, I mean. Without the pressure of having to work hard to survive yknow

[indigo wadi]

I'd argue that no period in time of society was ever truely stable

[ivory schooner]

Doesn’t roll off the tongue as well

[late pond]

It's probably also this older and more change-resistant crowd that have the most influence within any field, and to whom the younger crowd tends to defer because of power differences.

[umbral gazelle]

yep

[jolly sky]

I think a toddler in a china shop would probably be more accurate version

[late pond]

The Peter Principle

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats what psychiatrists do. The only criticism I can give Dr. K. here is that sometimes it felt like he was playing "gotcha" or to advocate for a certain opinion.

There is a little fun video that criticized the approach of "opinion making" thats on topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h85baQBmP4I

[dusky grove]

Toddler in the drug drawer

[lapis tartan]

Dr. K has to also play into being a youtuber, so clipable moments and all that.

[indigo wadi]

Guys, is Thor dying?

[pale kettle]

Match in the gas shed could also work

[gloomy forge]

And that can go very wrong, because you have to make this palpable for an audience while also being a legit psychiatrist thats why I wouldn't consider Dr. K. super helpful, Dr. K role is more like that of a teacher (gives you a blueprint out of many on how to live a good life) than one of true authority (hes always right and his path is the best).

[wind hare]

No

[ivory schooner]

My problem there is that the toddler isn’t prescribing medication, toddler in a drug drawer would mean the only one in the phrase that gets hurt is the toddler… the bull in the china shop line makes the assumption that all the porcelain in that shop does not belong to the bull and is causing external harm

[indigo wadi]

two streams in a row where he ended early. He dyin!

[opal bronze]

they have the gravestone picked out and everything man

whats written on it

[placid moat]

Yeah I'm honestly not the biggest fan of the dude, just never really watched his stuff cause public therapy sessions just seem a little exploitative to me whether that's actually true or not.

[indigo wadi]

I wouldn't even call them public therapy sessions

[wind hare]

Im curious why someone who doesn't really like a streamer or person would search out their community to talk about it. I don't get it.

[dusky grove]

Its covered in moss but you can brush it away to read ||you just lost the game||

[gloomy forge]

And to draw the line between Dr. K. and Thor. Thor is the same. Thor in the role of a teacher (teaches you to follow a path out of gamedevs, one path out of many) compared to people thinking hes never wrong.

[wind hare]

Damn you!

[indigo wadi]

||you just got burgered||

[jolly sky]

I personally think Dr.K has done an incredible job at making people more aware of their own mind and emotions, and where a lot of it comes from. And also his foundation is doing incredible work for a lot of people almost world wide

[placid moat]

when I said "the dude" I meant Dr. K not Pirate. I've been subscribed to Pirate since like 2022.

[worthy ivy]

well, one of the main traits of vegans is they admit to it because they see nothing wrong with veganism 😆

[ivory schooner]

Be glad you haven’t devolved into “professional hater” they’re like a fan in the same way they gravitate towards someone and their content, but it’s by means of spite and malice

[gloomy forge]

I mean Dr. K. is just one voice out of many. Only because hes well liked doens't mean hes some sort of someone who can never say anything wrong is all I'm saying hes a good psychiatrist just based on my own feelings. YouTube can be a mixed bag but thats a content creator problem rather than a content creator who has some sort of expertise. So content creators are pushed in this weird position of being some sort of entertaining in one way or the other.

[wind hare]

You're glad "I" haven't turned into one?

[opal bronze]

he's shown to me that therapy isnt just for people who need explicit problems fixed but are good for learning how things work in a way that you can use to improve your life

[dusky grove]

I do agree that what dr K does when he talks to streamers is less therapy and more like a lecture in school. But also kind of like... just an avenue to let someone take a step back and try to get a clear word in without people yelling and screaming over everything

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats very true

[jolly sky]

Yep, it (and not just Dr.K) has shown me that Therapy can be like, visiting a mechanic to do checkups on your car. Sometimes you just need a maintenance check, and not when the car is actively broken.

[dusky grove]

Plus he has a rare view of mental health by blending east and west philosophies. Western practices are good at figuring out WHY things happen, eastern ones have been better at figuring out the things to do

[indigo wadi]

no kid should be called "the rizzler" that's just weird AF

[jolly sky]

It's actually kind of insane how much the Eastern Yogi's had figured out in their own way like, 1000's of years ago. Like things they knew about or had touched upon way back then, has only been discovered recently in western science

[dusky grove]

I do agree with a simplified version of his ayurvedic teachings.

I've stopped trying to force myself to match the pace and work patterns of others just because that's "standard". Its made me way more productive

[lapis tartan]

Humans make progress, and then... Suddenly the stupid nation attacks...

Start again.

[dusky grove]

Its cuz life is always about perceiving. Even in practical science.

Sure, we know that 99% of an atom is empty space, but in practice and in our perception that's not the case. And the latter is much more useful to focus on

[placid moat]

Very true, it wasn't necessarily what Dr, K was doing that gave me red flags toward Pirate but mostly the knee jerk reaction Pirate had to his simple hypotheticals Dr. K gave Pirate in the interview then the proceeding response Pirate would give once Dr. K was rather frank with him.

[dusky grove]

Everyone has their weaknesses. I do think the interviews have shown the world Thor's. But we can't change him. Only he can, now that he (hopefully) knows what they are

[wind hare]

I didn't watch the Youtube video because I don't care for Dr K, what was the remark and the statement afterwards that Thor gave?

[jolly sky]

Not going to lie, this is definitely one of those times where getting a quote or snippet is just, not going to help at all

You would need the whole context

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, I mean you also have to understand the situation PirateSoftware has been in. Imagine being attacked during the months, of course you turn into a idiot or become overly defensive when you get attacked constantly because of whatever take you have.

Maybe this video interests you. Its controversial, but theres even some people in the comments that agree with Thors takes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nogc3OoJOnU

[wind hare]

I really don't want to watch the whole video lol. I was ok with him until he got into the "Eastern Religion" stuff and then I was out.

[opal bronze]

hard pressed to find them

[jolly sky]

Well, it might be worth reframing that considering that those Yogi's discovered a lot about the human mind before Western science was even close

[dusky grove]

I might put the interviews on this week as ambiant noise while i work. Theyre just so long

[jolly sky]

And that is the information that Dr.K is drawing from

[dusky grove]

There is stuff to learn from things, even if you dont like said thing.

[lapis tartan]

I'm gonna say when talks like this happen, it feels like people forget that humans are human, we make mistakes and learn from them? No one is perfect and we're debating single moments. Leaving out things like the fact Thor's stopped doing react videos kinda says he isn't oblivious as people are trying to make him seem.

[wind hare]

I understand Eastern Philosophy but I am more of a Western follower. I don't like his take on what I heard. Maybe I'll give him another chance but it sounded more like a religious approach and not a philosophical/scientific one.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah just scroll down the comments, or don't because you shouldn't read internet comments, its not that important too. Just watch the video and either agree or disagree with what Thor is saying

[indigo wadi]

Never have I heard anything religious from Dr.K

[gloomy forge]

He talks about it all the time.

[frozen nimbus]

Youtube interent comments on any drama video have been absolutely heinous

[gloomy forge]

especially if hes interviewed by another person.

[jolly sky]

To frame it in a better light, it's not that he's taking a religious approach, he's just taking the things that they discovered, and seeing how well it fits into Western Medicine and understanding.

And a lot of the time which surprised me, is that a lot of it fits together very well

[dusky grove]

Agreed. Dumb dramas like these, or chuggaaconroy from a few years back boild down to "human made mistake."

[gloomy forge]

Yeah that is true. don't click on anything you feel that its wasting your time.

[dusky grove]

He talks about religion kinda in the same way writers cite mythology for analogies and symbolism.

While the source is religion, the lesson is more on human nature and practices

[indigo wadi]

Also can someone explain this?

Why we are able to push ourselves physically for long periods of time but the moment we start resting, we get sick?

[jolly sky]

Variety of factors, both chemical and psychological

[lapis tartan]

I do like talking about human nature. We need more PSAs again, explaining stuff. So we're all more on similar pages when we socialize.

[dusky grove]

I would guess its the adrenaline. It IS a painkiller

[indigo wadi]

Maybe my body is trying to force rest me lol

[jolly sky]

It's like how in a moment of extreme stress, adrenaline and cortisol levels sharply rise so that you can get yourself out of/help someone else get out of a situation, and once that situation is over and you are safe, your energy levels crash because the adrenaline is no longer needed

And the same thing can happen in a variety of different ways with large variance of those scales

[dusky grove]

I'd also relate it to how easy it is to mess up your body after working out.

You get used to the high energy needs of exercise, so your body consumes more. But just because the drain has stopped doesnt mean the intake stops at the same time

[lapis tartan]

You don't suddenly have more energy, you're burning more to survive/feel good. Then you feel the effects after. Also burning fuel creates waste and it may overwhelm your system.

[dusky grove]

For legal reasons i am no doctor. I am simply guessing

[lapis tartan]

Also true, not knowing about someone's diet, needs and other data leaves us guessing.

[proud depot]

Thor stop streaming early again?

[dusky grove]

Ye

[ivory schooner]

Man I dunno, I didn’t mean YOU, I guess what I mean is something more generalized, poor choice of words on my end

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleepy-sleepy-head-sleepy-dog-puppy-gif-8724532319784089108

[wind hare]

It's not that you get sick AFTER being stressed, its that you show symptoms afterwards.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-happens-when-your-immune-system-gets-stressed-out

Stress lowers your immuno response

[proud depot]

If this keeps happening Thor might want to go to the doctor about this

Or start sleeping longer. You never know maybe he's turning into one of us 8-hour plebs

[wind hare]

I am sure there is more we are not seeing and he isn't talkn about on stream. He will be able to diagnose himself or get help.

[lapis tartan]

Feels like 1 caffeine drink broke his flow.

[proud depot]

He also might be hiding a lot of stress

[lapis tartan]

I can relate to that

[lapis tartan]

Who isn't these days?

[placid moat]

Yeah I would suggest watching at least most of it to gain context otherwise I'd probably be typing for days and I don't think anyone wants that lol. long story short Pirate at times in the vid comes off extremely dismissive and adamantly unwilling to even ponder the possibility of being incorrect or overzealous in his stance even if its a vague hypothetical one to an extent that it pretty much visually makes his skin crawl. Definitely not worth linching the guy over but it's quite a bad look for Pirate at times for sure.

[wind hare]

Not hiding, but people aren't taking whats going on seriously. Somone called the cops on him three times and he is trying to get a new building made. That could have completely messed up the Ferret house because the town could just say "You are too much trouble, we are disapproving this building." And thats just one thing that could happen

[azure glen]

[worthy ivy]

I'm not since I quit my job and went "self-employed"
pretty sure the stress will be back when my current account savings run out, but that's future-Cones' problem
present Cones is chillin' and loving it, he needed a sabbatical 🙂

[wind hare]

Not allowing a sailor to sware should be a crime, just so you know mods

[proud depot]

There are a couple people accusing Thor of some serious stuff. So far it's just words but you never know

[dusky grove]

Yeah. I remember those moments in the vid. Would just be a refresher to rewatch.

[lapis tartan]

I meant as people in general these days with the state of things. While I agree there are a lot of cool things happening. There is a growing level of dumb happening.

[opal bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-euDaYYmd4

[jolly sky]

"adamantly unwilling to even ponder the possibility of being incorrect or overzealous in his stance even if its a vague hypothetical one to an extent that it pretty much visually makes his skin crawl. "

It wasn't being unwilling to be incorrect or overzealous that made his skin crawl. What made his skin crawl was placating to the masses of people, just because he had an opinion coming from a difference perspective.

[proud depot]

He's more annoyed that someone tried to trick him than that he fell for it

[jolly sky]

Thor is MORE than happy to be incorrect about something. If someone can come to him with a polite argument in good faith that isn't just shitting over the walls, he has no issue with being incorrect. Hell I've personally witnessed that when he used to join the VC's here occassionally.

Again, see his Twitter posts regarding conversations with him and Josh Strife Hayes for more public proof of this

[lapis tartan]

Like I keep trying to point out, people are focusing on single human moments, some MONTHS ago.

[dusky grove]

I do think that when drk said to add some emotion back into his responses, thor got defensive a bit fast.

While I can only assume, I think he thought "take out some logic to put in emotion" when what drk meant was "You can have both. Its important to have both to connect with people"

[lapis tartan]

I'll never suggest faking who you are to please others.

[dusky grove]

Because yeah, facts and evidence is good. But emotions shouldn't be discarded because its those emotions that allow people to resonate and come to an understanding

[muted robin]

Man are we really at the point where we're using public coaching sessions (an environment meant to be productive for challenging and changing behaviors that give people trouble in life) to go "wow he got defensive during coaching that means he can't handle being wrong"

[dusky grove]

Not saying to be fake and people please, but more. "This is how I feel, emotionally. This is why i feel this way, factually"

[placid moat]

either way his skin crawling isnt my main concern as a viewer. It's the words and the sternness of his stance that rubs me the wrong way. he could have said his response in whatever cadence he wants, it still would have left a bad taste in my mouth. the uncomfortable body language was just the cherry on top of it all.

[opal bronze]

i watched some tts about it shortly after it happened i got the vibe he didnt really like how it went which is a shame because it was great i think

[gloomy forge]

I just spending time here so cooking food isn't too boring. I made shish kabob with rice and bread+cheese

[dusky grove]

I mean, we're using thor as an example, but these lessons really apply to everyone

Having a purely emotional response means you acted without thinking, having a purely logical response makes it hard for people to connect and resonate with you. One has to have balance

[gloomy forge]

The big downside is that I just noticed I don't have ice cream anymore so no sidedish.

[muted robin]

No it's just that as someone literally training to be a coach with HGI it comes off as so weird when people say "look how defensive he got during the interview." Like.... yeah that happens during coaching. You bring up vulnerable things because you're trying to improve yourself and sometimes/often confronting that is uncomfortable

That's part of the process

[lapis tartan]

Which is why I'd like to move from Thor this an that and focus on educating people.

[jolly sky]

When you have a belief in something with experience and evidence to back it up, you're going to be stern in your stances.

[opal bronze]

i dont care about watching them but i hope it continues in some form

[muted robin]

Struggling to accept an alternate view or change your deep seated emotions is something everyone goes through, not some sign someone is (gags) a narcissist or can't take criticism or whatever

[dusky grove]

True. As the saying goes. Omelettes and eggs or whatever

[winter wave]

I'd also like to point out that Narcisstic personality disorder is an actual diagnosis guys, not a word that should just be thrown around

[jolly sky]

It takes someone with equal experience, and having a polite and sensible conversation to change those stances.

[hazy storm]

Just like the term schizo

[placid moat]

That would be true if it wasn't a hypothetical situation that he was intentionally supposed to be wrong in.

[winter wave]

or the word bipolar

[lapis tartan]

I dislike the perspective of trying to "change" others. It should be more informative. A lot of issues can be solved with giving people equal knowledge to consider and work with.

[muted robin]

The narcissist accusations being an unironic drama point is so disgusting for that reason. Like man narcissism is a legitimate highly stigmatized personality not a synonym for a hole or Evil Person Disease

[late pond]

or the r-slur (which was actually very commonly used to shut people up and discount their opinions not all that long ago)

[winter wave]

as someone who has had that word lobbed at me: it still is

[jolly sky]

"hypothetical situation that he was intentionally supposed to be wrong in."

So, 90% of what the internet is doing right now. Making up hypothetical situations and outright lies to claim that Thor is wrong in something

[winter wave]

unfortunately.

[gloomy forge]

True, but I have to say though ||that the planet we live on is also bipolar||

[muted robin]

And also no proper mental health professional can or would diagnose someone with a whole damn personality disorder just from clips on the internet. Diagnoses don't work like that

[winter wave]

https://tenor.com/view/missthepoint-the-point-gif-7984004

[wind hare]

"But I need to fit everyone into a nice box so its easier for me to understand them!" /s

[placid moat]

Okay? what does that change lmao?

[dusky grove]

Just checking in on yall. Saturn, Dan, don't get too lost in the sauce

[flint sinew]

[winter wave]

also the term psychopath

which is also a diagnosis.

[placid moat]

we chillin, no bad blood 4 me

[opal bronze]

hyperbole

[winter wave]

I'm speaking generally

[muted robin]

More like "I need to throw mentally ill people under the bus to make a zinger roast in an online argument"

[jolly sky]

It's supposed to signify that Thor happily takes criticism, and being wrong in something, if the argument comes from a polite place of good faith. That's really all it is.

Don't shit all over the walls, state your case, have a conversation, with understanding as its goal. The moment you start throwing shit at the walls is when you've lost your side in your argument.

[flint sinew]

im just shrimping

[winter wave]

just about words that shouldn't be thrown around the way they are is all 🤷

[gloomy forge]

Hey I just wanted to make a joke dunno whomst you're aiming at people are just having discussions and having fun.

[idle hill]

stop shrimping

[wind hare]

I would agree both are true

[gloomy forge]

Man I'm full, that was good food.

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-bubbagump-forrestgump-gif-5794408

[wind hare]

Sailors need a way around your automod filter. We should be allowed to swear. It's ingrained in us.

[placid moat]

If you're a grown adult that shouldn't matter to an extent, Pirate needs to learn how to lend an olive branch when the ball isn't fully in his court.

[winter wave]

Good grief

[nova bough]

counterpoint, im also a sailor in language. i can manage, so can you

[wind hare]

He doesn't "have" to learn anything

[gloomy forge]

I loved that whole segment. Best part of Forest Gump in my opinion. Parts like these is what made the movie work.

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-gump-gif-3362527951217383936

https://tenor.com/view/benjamin-bufford-blue-ways-how-to-cook-shrimp-forrest-gump-bubba-gump-cleaning-gun-gif-10022996

[jolly sky]

Look I'm sorry but I'm not about to extend an olive branch to someone who walks into my house, and wipes their ass with my cat, and nor should anyone.

[gloomy forge]

peak

[opal bronze]

?

[wind hare]

What? You are a sailor in languege? Did you go to the Naval school of how to talk like a sailor?

[placid moat]

True, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't.

[nova bough]

it must suck to be a streamer and have people just dissect their entire personality online.

hes a dude, let him be.

[gloomy forge]

people arguing and having level headed discussion and then theres someone just posting the whole shrimp scene because of based mods joke

[placid moat]

fr

[jolly sky]

People need to learn how to actually have a conversation without going "BLASJHAFKAJH You're a piece od shit for having an opinion"

[flint sinew]

[nova bough]

as in i have to tailor my stuff everytime i post a message to avoid automod

[dusky grove]

Sadly, the world is not a sanitized lab. The amount of "good faith" conversations is far outnumbered by those in bad faith.

But there is value to be gained in those bad faith conversations. Something thor himself touched on, albeit indirectly.

He said there was a review of HB complaining about a part of the game (i think it was a maze or smth) but all it said was "it was bad" or smth that wasnt overtly helpful. But one could extrapolate from that that the part was not an enjoyable experience, so he changed it.

That example can be extended to other conversations

[placid moat]

At no point did I say that but yea

[jolly sky]

I didn't say that you did, only that it's completely fair to stop talking or engaging with someone if that is all they say to you

[lapis tartan]

This is why I like the community being made here.

[muted robin]

I just laugh bc I find Thor's situation very relatable and I can tell you that I don't find his behavior that bad bc I woulda done way worse and never apologized for a second lol

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its up to us to see the detriments to online discussions and actually work for having actual discussions not for the sake of being right or wrong, but learning from each other.

[jolly sky]

Dude if I was presented what Thor has been hounded to give his opinion on, I would have been far more harsh over it.

[muted robin]

But that does make me biased in a way, my reaction to things is usually to take them on the chin and return to sender rather than be diplomatic

[jolly sky]

If anything he showed incredible restraint

[dusky grove]

Criticism is rarely worded in a helpful manner. Whether its about a work of art or about a person or an event or whatever.

Its important to take them, even some of the bad ones, and learn from them

[gloomy forge]

Many do, I feel most of the haters would have bigger kneejerk reactions if they'd be in his shoes.

[muted robin]

Looks like that one creepypasta/SCP smile

[lapis tartan]

I don't like that the terrain is smiling at me...

[idle hill]

? is this about the mushroom or the smiley face it makes in combination with the tree and ravine

[placid moat]

ah alright, true I definitely agree with that when it comes to the internet harassments.

[blissful imp]

Clearly the creepy smiling face

[idle hill]

Which one, Jeff the Killer or smile.dog?

[muted robin]

Honestly that's a fundamental part of how I view all this drama. I ask myself "would these people talking smack do any better in thor's position" and the answer is no so I stop caring what they have to day

Ppl talk mad smack until they're the ones in the situation

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-why-so-serious-serious-gif-11972349

[idle hill]

tbf it is odd for a mushroom to be fully grown in a swamp like that

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-you-know-how-i-got-scars-gif-18661954

[muted robin]

Advice that doesn't hold water in an actual bad situation means nothing, as does advice that comes from bad people

[gloomy forge]

I think its more important to not just take criticism, but knowing how to disect the contents of such criticism and value them individually. You're allowed to even disagree with good faith criticisms and argumentations if they go against your believes and perceptions.

Saying things in good faith doesn't mean you have to take criticism from "every" angle and that means internalizing them.

[muted robin]

But yeah to stop being #thatdeep about it, my TLDR is that "nah I'm good" is one of the funniest and yet most true things Thor has ever said

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-election2016-trump-hillary-new-life-movie-gif-5750661

[gloomy forge]

[muted robin]

https://tenor.com/view/curtain-drop-curtain-not-interested-leave-me-alone-depressed-gif-13944186

Basically this gif in word form

[gloomy forge]

the best thing thor has said in this drama is when someone said "you have to take responsibility" and he responded with "why? are you pregnant? it wasn't me thats for sure."

thats such a degen meme response I love it.

[nova bough]

someone clipped it i think

lemme find

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-i-know-him-they're-me-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-15219886167814879581

[wind hare]

Also, before you give advice on the internet you can check yourself. "Will what I type get me punched in the face if I said this to them in person?". it's sometimes a good check.

[nova bough]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/SpookyBashfulYakOMGScoots-J-MDNQNUgKRnoEPS

[marble stump]

Why did the stream end earlier than normal?? (Was watching and ended up doing some work and now no stream)

[jolly sky]

And the important part about a good faith, criticism based discussion, is that understanding is crucial for both sides. If you want to present a good faith criticism, you're also going to have to expect it to be given back to you, and vice versa

[winter wave]

he was sleepy

[brittle brook]

Thor's still on coffee-whiplash

[dusky grove]

Got sleepy

[tribal canyon]

Eppy and needing of sleepy

[gloomy forge]

Yes, because a discussion in good faith is beneficial for both sides, even if one side may be more wrong than the other.

[marble stump]

Again... his new DLC might be increased sleeping time needed

[flint sinew]

he was getting over his cough

con-crud

[jolly sky]

Hopefully that cough is actually calming down now

[dusky grove]

Thor has 1 coffee a year

[brittle brook]

ya, and he had it 2 days ago

oddly enough, he's ended stream early from being sleepy past 2 days

hence the whiplash

[dusky grove]

I coulda sworn he had it in like january... maybe my memory is going

[wind hare]

Damn, one of the Somo awards is 100 pounds of Wagu beef.

[hazy storm]

What is shrimping

[worthy ivy]

I got you covered

https://tintin.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Captain_Haddock's_Curses

[flint sinew]

quick, posture check!

[wind hare]

Bending over when on a computer like a shrimp, bad posture

[hazy storm]

Ooooh. In that case I'm armadillo-ing

[idle hill]

I'm not shrimping but by back was twisted

not quite comfortably, I should add

[worthy ivy]

I drink 10 cups a day (10 cups of weakass cheap instant, but still....) so if I ever stop the whiplash'll take my head off

[idle hill]

could add more scoops to your cup when you make your coffee

[dusky grove]

I recently got back on caffeine

[idle hill]

I add like 4 scoops of dark roast to my cup

[worthy ivy]

nah, that's a recipe for caffiene overdose - I'd just drink ten strong cups and have a bad time

[dusky grove]

Just ran out. Not sure if i want to restock

[fallow fable]

The crash is inevitable

[worthy ivy]

10 cups of real coffee and your day is toast

[idle hill]

speaking of
I just picked up this medium-dark roast instant coffee
shame they didnt have any blonde roast

[brittle brook]

I can't do instant coffee, I've tried it a few times, but just doesn't click for me

[idle hill]

It always makes me have to use the restroom often, so I don't drink it

[jolly sky]

I have 1, maybe 2 Thermos flasks of coffee a day. (only a little more than an average sized cup). Other than that its just water, I gave up drinking sodas a loooong time ago.

Funnily enough you learn how expensive soda is when you move out

And that's just stuck with me from that moment on

[idle hill]

but it's good to have caffeine on reserve if I run out of the energy drink mixes/monster

[jolly sky]

I have maybe one can of Dr.Pepper a year as a treat

[idle hill]

$5 per box is still a lot when you consider how often you drink it

soda, that is

[worthy ivy]

it's the only way to fly

[jolly sky]

And that's like, only 6 cans

Shits expensive as all hell

[idle hill]

12 cans, if you buy store brand

[rocky venture]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nLWuiDhFN24

[jolly sky]

Yeeeeea nah

[lapis tartan]

Each can has 30-60% of your daily sugar?

[jolly sky]

I'd rather just not buy it at all if I have to resort to Store Brand

[lapis tartan]

I rather eat a donut.

[jolly sky]

I'm just glad I live in a place that has god-tier tap water

No need to buy bottled water

[lapis tartan]

Oh, pepsi is 83% your daily sugar. I rather eat 2 donuts.

[jolly sky]

Good lord

[wind hare]

god-tier huh? I've seen some of the setups in England so I have my doubts on your claim

[idle hill]

I gotta dig to get to the cream soda

[jolly sky]

We have a sugar tax over here so Sodas are more expensive

[jolly sky]

Good thing I'm not in england then

[rocky venture]

Gotta pay 'em taxes

[wind hare]

I thought you said you were an Englishman in a previous discussion.

[jolly sky]

Britain yes, England heyuuuuuull nah

[muted robin]

I live in a place with shit water and just tank the poison damage from drinking tap /hj

[idle hill]

Dan's Bri'ish?
damn

[jolly sky]

Also, England still has good tap water depending on where you are

Like most cities are gonna be varying levels of shite of course

[rocky venture]

Quite

[muted robin]

It makes me stronger, like Wesley defeating the Sicilian man in a poison match

[jolly sky]

But if you live in more rural or out of the way areas, it's gonna be better

[wind hare]

I was looking at some r/plumbing pics and they were going on about how the pressure of the lines is really bad. So a lot of people have tubs in their top floor that they fill with water to gravity drain into the house. Let's just say a lot of people don't clean those tubs

[jolly sky]

It's almost 7 Bong here

[jolly sky]

I've never heard of that personally, the reason why in previous houses we had a seperate tub in the attic was because that water was specifically used for Hot water

[wind hare]

Here is one from Dublin

[jolly sky]

Cold water came directly through plumbing

[jolly sky]

Yea that's not* for pressure reasons

Thats specifically just for hot water

For showers, baths, doing dishes etc

Cold water comes from directly through the plumbing, a separate source

And besides, the Hot Water tub in the attic not as common as it used to be nowadays, most of the time now the boiler does the heating of the water

And in that picture, the Buoy is there so that once that water drains below a certain point, it will then activate the plumbing that refills that tub up to a certain level again, and then shuts off once it does.

[flint sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/fetter-yoshi-yoshi-fetti-gif-24291890

distraction

[jolly sky]

Looks like Yoshi needs to get his plumbing sorted

He's looking a little backed up;

[flint sinew]

😭

[rocky venture]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-world-yoshi-biker-dino-rider-cool-kid-gif-6628786973709066818

[gloomy forge]

what a good game indie game of the year indeed.

[wind hare]

I didn't know plumbing was distraction worthy. Guess we can go back to psychoanalyzing Thor.

[flint sinew]

[terse pelican]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3564650/Hidden_Heir/ Hmm

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[wind hare]

I think Thor not cutting his hair shows that he can't deal with change, and if he wants to truely become a better person he needs a crew cut

[brittle brook]

pfft, he doesn't need it cut

he needs it perm'd

[terse pelican]

Thor needs a Mohawk

[wind hare]

ooooo, I didn't think about that

[gloomy forge]

I rate this game AI/AI not to roast this game too hard but I usually wait for reviews or people playing to make up my mind fully.

[terse pelican]

I wouldn't be so quick to label it as AI

[gloomy forge]

Yeah I meant that in a deeper way than to say "ai bad", its just that it became the new shovelware way to make stuff BUT shovelware also has gotten better.

The game does look alright BUT the gameplay video doesn't spark a lot of confidence, the gameplay trailers not being smooth and all

[jolly sky]

I don't know about you but I get a bad vibe from people linking their Youtube in a Steam review after only the barest of bones summary

[gloomy forge]

There was a game called bleak faith forsaken that was very similar to this game, it was alright too.

[terse pelican]

Yeah, I generally ignore those reviews

And all the other ones were non-English

[flint sinew]

ohn god

[jolly sky]

Also their playtime is only 0.7 hours

[flint sinew]

taking that

[wind hare]

Yoshi might have a medical condition. That's a lot of swelling

[jolly sky]

I'm sure they have a very comprehensive and detailed gameplay review in less than an hour of gameplay

[terse pelican]

The guy has very low playtime on a lot of games, with reviews

[proud depot]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-lou-albano-captain-lou-psa-do-you-know-someone-that-owns-a-gun-gif-2902437670255322443

[flint sinew]

ohno not that mario

💀

[brittle brook]

the sub-par marino bros

[jolly sky]

Hey, it could be worse. A Streamer I watched had their FACE stolen and put into a GiantBomb article

An article talking about the old Mario movie

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-gif-26229768

[proud depot]

is there any better mario than Captain Lou Albano?

[terse pelican]

IN OTHER News, I want to bring attention to a older game, https://www.emhsoft.com/singularity/

Where you play as a Rogue AI, Trying to survive

[gloomy forge]

I loved endgame: singularity, especially once you move outside the solar system while you brainwashed all the humans already.

The game is hard as heck early game though.

[terse pelican]

Agreed, Lost count of how many runs ended early game

[brittle brook]

old game about rogue AI trying to survive... sounds like Wargames: Defcon 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSiXfIK-f1c

[jolly sky]

Apologies not Giant Bomb, Destructoid

[gloomy forge]

wargames was fun

[brittle brook]

ya, Wargames did a good job as an early-3d-era RTS

[gloomy forge]

Machines: Wired for War is another one but its more sympathetic towards AIs

I loved machines.

I'm glad it was put as freeware for public testing and restauration.

[jolly sky]

That is NOT Mario's face in that movie

[wind hare]

I mean if I am going to play an older game I am going to go with a classic.

https://youtu.be/g1Sq1Nr58hM

[brittle brook]

RA3 isn't even that old...

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its rather new.

[brittle brook]

if it's not old enough to drink, it's not old enough for classic-status

[gloomy forge]

hoooly thats a good way to describe when a game becomes classic.

[jolly sky]

And the funniest part, is that Destructoid didn't know it was photoshopped

[gloomy forge]

Destructoid wished it was Giant Bomb.

fun fact, the library of games as categories on twitch that the streamer can choose from is based on the Giant Bomb wiki.

[wind hare]

I think some people don't know how old some of the games they played were

RE3 - October 28, 2008.

Also I thought it was from 2, so my bad.

[gloomy forge]

super important piece of history.

I feel that CC3 boarders on being a classic, but RA3 still has a year or two to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX6RqbK7SO8

[brittle brook]

This is one I still like revisiting occasionally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3J0Dwd0CF8

[gloomy forge]

Hostile Waters is a fantastic game, if you liked it you will love battle isle.

[jolly sky]

This was the original photo lmao

And then Destructoid accidently used a photoshopped image of that face onto Mario in an article about a re-release of the Super Mario movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaO_yo7YMTE

Here's the video of him discovering that life in stream

[wind hare]

Anyone else get Crendor vibes from MidnightSumo's voice?

[hazy storm]

nah man. they trying to make a thirsty yoshi by giving him jiggle physics

[proud depot]

they're probably both 30-somethings from chicago. Similar accents and all

[wind hare]

Is that a Chicago accent? Didn't know

[gloomy forge]

Yeah and he also sounds a little bit like Cricken but with with a worse quality mic. MNSumo is so comfy to watch.

[proud depot]

IDK about midnightsumo's voice, but Crendor is from Chicagoland

[wind hare]

Learn something new every day, and then I forget it just as quick

[proud depot]

just tuned into midnightsumo, yeah thats a chicago accent

or from somewhere nearby

we may not have as many accents as the UK, but we still have a few recognizable accents

[wind hare]

i thought you guys had a ton. Like different sections of London have different accents right?

My only experience with people from London is from movies lol.

[gentle mortar]

The Crew™ cut

[wind hare]

...... I have no other words for that

[proud depot]

the UK does, I however am from Alaska in the United States

[gentle mortar]

got you flabbergasted fr

[proud depot]

The US just hasn't had the time to develop many unique accents west of the Mississippi. You can't tell if someone is from Denver by their accent alone for example

[wind hare]

Oh I read your statement wrong, I thought you said something else like you were from there

[nova bough]

laughs in Texan

[wind hare]

The West Coast definately has accents

[proud depot]

except you guy shave so many people moving in from elsewhere that the next generation probably won't have a texan accent

[wind hare]

Cali vs Seattle

[nova bough]

metroplexes, yes. thats already a thing. rural texas? nooope.

[proud depot]

yeah there are general trends, like Pacific Northwest (which I probably have), Norcal, Socal, etc. But not for specific areas like just Boston or just Brooklyn

[muted robin]

Yeah texas has at least two different accents if not three or four

[nova bough]

but metroplexes are also cause lots of corporate america. i hear so many accents through zoom at work.

Irish so far is my favorite

[muted robin]

Like, the stereotypical Sandy Cheeks cowboy drawl is more of a west texas thing

[brittle brook]

west coast is less accents IMO and more just mannerisms and weirdly injected words

[opaque otter]

Early stream finish today?

[brittle brook]

like using the word like as like basic punctuation

[nova bough]

panhandle too. i have family up there, and they have that slow drawl

[brittle brook]

or how in Cali, freeways are identified as "the ..." and not just using the letter-number pairing

The 405, The 10, The 5 South

[muted robin]

He was eepy

[proud depot]

Thor managed to mess up his sleep schedule

[brittle brook]

he had a coffee 2 days ago

likely caffinee whiplash

[proud depot]

I am the opposite thanks to ADHD. I can drink multiple coffees then proceed to take a nap

[opaque otter]

I feel that. I'm up at 6am for work on a Monday. But I was up till like 1am playing the horse girl game :3

[muted robin]

Well since thor is already a freak sleeper I guess the coffee gave him an integer overflow and made him tired

[dusky grove]

hush... I am still emotionally unwell from those damn horses...

[proud depot]

In Alaska we have something similar, but with names. Noone uses the highway numbers and many don't even know them. Its all just "The Rich" (Richardson Hwy) or "The Parks" (George Parks Hwy)

[brittle brook]

ya, like I lived in SoCal for 15yrs, but have carried over using "The" for roads, just makes too much sense to use

[gentle mortar]

Didnt Thor had an energy drink on Bug hunt at DEFCON year ago, which made him crash out and go to sleep?

[brittle brook]

ya, he was talking about that yesterday how Primeagen saw him basically go into sleep-mode for 20min before rebooting

[nova bough]

i have a sister up there, some of them they use numbers for. like the one road that goes to...homer i think? basically if theres a wreck it sucks because theres no alternate route.

[opaque otter]

As someone with ADHD, I wouldn't be surprised if Thor has it to some degree.

[proud depot]

The Parks Highway doesn't even start at 0 miles. It uses the milage from Anchorage instead

[brittle brook]

how many Dr visits did it take before being given an ADHD diagnosis?

[opaque otter]

For me? One session with a Psychiatrist

[brittle brook]

wow, I've heard from other people it can be more hassle to actually get a formal diagnosis

[nova bough]

i had one with my normal dr and she just gave me a paper quiz and i got one. idk how "official" it is, but it did let me try medication. but im not a fan of Adderall, so

[gentle mortar]

I also have weird experience with coffee as someone with ADHD, when I get coffee not at the morning, nothing changes, only my heart rate goes up

[proud depot]

I was diagnosed borderline ADHD when I was a kid. I'm sure if I'd been tested with today's standards I'd be considered both ADHD and Autistic. Never officially diagnosed for either though

[opaque otter]

NZ is pretty good for it. Plus I had a whole bunch of notes from my childhood pointing to it.

[nova bough]

coffee is the reason i can work in the morning. also, im going to try and grow lions mane, and that may or may not help with my adhd

[proud depot]

If I take a 5 hour energy it actually wakes me up though. Maybe cause the caffiene is so concentrated

[brittle brook]

ah, ya, that'd prob do it, in US, it's def more hassle from everyone I've talked to

[proud depot]

maybe in the future I'll look into getting officially dianosed with something, but right now I just don't have that type of money

[brittle brook]

ya, same, like I'm pretty sure I've got something wrong in my brain, but just don't have the funds to get it properly diagnosed

[gentle mortar]

For me, the reverse actually

[muted robin]

One test and one appointment, but usually you can/should get the test done by the same doc who gives the diagnosis. It's not something you need a whole long drawn out process for

[muted robin]

Did you ever try other stimulants or a nonstimulant?

I got started on a nonstimulant and tried a stimulant (ritalin offbrand) with it but the stimulant didn't add much when I was already on a different med. Plus stimulants have way more supply shortages

Taking two kinds of adhd meds at a time was like pouring water into a cup that was already full, it didn't really improve my performance over just taking one lol

I also have a slow release dose instead of a rapid release so the energy level is more consistent

[nova bough]

it was a ton of hoops to deal with medication. i find it easier to self manage (and kinda self medicate with caffine/supplements). that being said, if i ever have to go sit in an office and work for long periods/days at a time, i may re-evaluate that. currently i have an accomodation at work to wfh near fulltime.

just being able to get up and go do something random for like 10 mins works wonders for me. cant do that in an office, really.

[proud depot]

I've been thinking that twitch looked a bit weird lately, like the font was a slightly different size. Turns out its been on 90% zoom for a week

[dusky grove]

sitcom laugh sfx

[indigo wadi]

The last stimulant I was in was Vyvanse. Took it for 9 months and quit.

Great for focus, bad for eating.

[indigo wadi]

Sounds like a modern say Seinfeld episode

@goblin_Set up my Engineer back to what she was using, but now I wanna get a hammer and..I dunno a focus?

[proud depot]

It never affected the size of the video, just the text, so not extremely noticbable]

[indigo wadi]

I went through a psychiatrist

[indigo wadi]

@ocean agate

[subtle gate]

ctrl + scroll = zoom in/out

[indigo wadi]

Unless your mouse wheel is out of control, like mine

[subtle gate]

🫠

[proud depot]

Sounds like seinfeld diner talk. Like Jerry would mention that he thought google looked weird lately, and the convo leads into the main subplot for the episode

[nova bough]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

[indigo wadi]

100%

"Whats the deal with twitch zoom?"

[flint sinew]

me rubbing my eyes in the morning

[nova bough]

to be fair, thats what i see if i take off my glasses 💀

-11 prescription

[subtle gate]

🟨

[ocean agate]

you can still use power, ferocity, precision on hammer

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, how do I get one?

[ocean agate]

you can buy gear on the AH, in the major cities its the scales symbol > weapons > hammers. set the filters like the picture for attributes and find one you can equip at your level. the higher the rarity the better but more cost.

[indigo wadi]

Are hammers 2 handed?

[ocean agate]

yes

[indigo wadi]

Ah okay

[wind hare]

What game is this?

[brittle brook]

looks like GW2

[ocean agate]

its guild wars 2

if you want to join my guild i am on the NA server
/squadjoin Zolomy Thed
will put you in my squad i can then invite you to the guild

[wind hare]

Do any PvP?

[ocean agate]

i dont, but i have a guild for each pvp , pve, and wvw. i plan to keep inviting goblins so you are more then welcome to be the first in that one

[winged knoll]

Rip

[wind hare]

I like GW2, but I can't figure out good guilds or where I should be going for gear. There were so many xpaks and content areas that it gets confusing

Ill jump on in a bit and add you

[nova bough]

yeah. my mom blessed me with those genetics.

[exotic forge]

GW2 that takes me back

[ocean agate]

oh

you can always come back

[exotic forge]

I've given up on all MMOs lol

I just plan to live vicariously through Thor in Ashes of Creation

[ocean agate]

fair

[muted robin]

have youtube open while walking my dog
listening to a short from Thor
have to put phone in my pocket while I scoop my dog's poop and walk to a trash can to throw it away
pull my phone out of my pocket and I find out I left a $2 super-thanks on the short

Guys I think Thor just hacked me /j

[earnest cove]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=78SwDwcD5CA

the visa mastercard horror continues

[ocean agate]

it was the ferrets

[earnest cove]

funger got banned

because, visa mastercard policies that they forced on steam and itch recently

[terse pelican]

Huh, Odd

[terse pelican]

That looks a bit... Missleading?

Cause I searched for it on Both, And found them instantly

[earnest cove]

is it specific regions?

or on itch co

ah it's itch.io

[terse pelican]

❓

[earnest cove]

did they manage to get it back?

[terse pelican]

wait nvm

[exotic forge]

Did Thor already play Fear and Hunger

[terse pelican]

That's not the game, That's some Print

[wind hare]

Fear and Hunger says its NSFW, they took everything NSFW off until its reviewed. Whats the issue?

Looks like it involves a scene with killing a child?

Good luck getting that back