streamchat

[earnest cove]

I meant is that he'll be ignorant to the true story, and will have no time to check more

[fierce bison]

exactly what thebluepharaoh said

[earnest cove]

if he believes it, he believes it

[fierce bison]

it's irresponsible

[muted robin]

asmon is normally reasonable but i haven't watched his recent videos on [redacted]

[fierce bison]

yeah he's normally reasonable, that's why it's so sad

had higher expectations

[muted robin]

also bc his editors are farming thor in the thumbnails still. there's no reason to put thor in the same thumbnail as an official EU response to the petition, bro has literally nothing to do with that

[swift gulch]

I remember that one animator with the lens flare glasses put Thor in his thumbnail about SKG recently
Despite the only mention of Thor in the entire video being an offhand mention that wasn't even by name where the guy making the video said "Detractors have said...a lot of meaningless bullshit, but--" and then moved on
Thor was on screen for a grand total like one or two seconds
But that warrants a thumbnail I guess
These people know exactly what they're doing

[wind hare]

They are trying to use him to cover anything that happens. It's why they are blaming him for an investigation into donations. They want to make him a scapegoat, or already have more a large group of people.

Honestly, it was a poltical movement at the beginning. This is why you need to be prepared when talking publicly about anything political. The fallout will be harsh

[swift gulch]

Yeah, like I said earlier, people are treating it like Thor is a legislator blocking the petition from going through, when he's just a guy on the internet who gave his opinion about it

[muted robin]

it being a political movement also should've led the creators to expect that not everyone would agree with them and they aren't entitled to agreement/support just bc they have good intentions, but accountability apparently doesn't count for activists any more 🙄

[earnest cove]

their logic is huge following = if say no = lack of support

we've seen just how many people blindly support something

[muted robin]

or well. whatever you call these people

[gloomy forge]

Important to know that its mostly a psychological thing. Thor speaks with authority, even unintentionally, people believe hes more than he really is.

[earnest cove]

i mean, you've seen my friend who was the one who introduced piratesoftware to ME now disvowing him because of the amount of people say he's wrong

[fierce bison]

honestly my whole takeaway from this situation is that if you grow a community, it'll inevitably grow beyond what you normally would be entitled to, with people that are part of it for shallow reasons and won't stay through dumb accusations. So, if you want to keep being yourself, like Thor wants to, and like what I'm aiming for as well, always just look at the number of your fans and cut that in half mentally and only count that half lol

[gloomy forge]

and guess what, the same mechanisms in rebelling against a government are right now in place in rebelling against thor.

[muted robin]

Anyways normally asmon's video titles/thumbnails are magnitudes more cringe and clickbait than his actual videos so. Hardest part is being unable to look at chat or the comments w/o PS hate

[gloomy forge]

its a little bit weird, the different between a faceless superstructure or a person matters not, what matters what has been said and how it went down unfortunatly.

But that also means once everything balances out, things are gonna be better.

[fierce bison]

also being controversial every now and then is worse than staying controversial constantly. I think that's Asmon's secret lol

[gloomy forge]

yeah you cracked the code there.

[muted robin]

Yeah people eat it up when someone who's a good guy gets "exposed" for being "trash"

[fierce bison]

yup

[muted robin]

It makes for a better story than "local man who has been trolling for decades continues to troll"

[gloomy forge]

Thor does many good things, the learning repos and ferrett resque being one of them. So if everything he does is a positive but then he talks like your average 10k streamerandy it does rub people off the wrong way.

[fierce bison]

exactly haha

[wind hare]

Can be compared to Vodka, Asmon is bottom shelf, you know you're going to have a bad taste going in but you want to get drunk. But if he marketed himself as top shelf and when you got it, it tasted like gas then you will have a worse reaction.

[earnest cove]

well I see his brand is that he's going to shoot his honest thoughts even if they're wrong and he admits they can be wrong. And he admits he can also double down on that wrong if he stands by it. It's not good to think that asmon is always going to be right

[muted robin]

But honestly imagine being so insecure that you look at someone speaking confidently (in his field of expertise/hobby/career) and go "he has to be a narcissist"

[fierce bison]

This as well, man, I love your takes

[muted robin]

His brand is that he's a degenerate but he's honest and says what he thinks w/o shilling or being performative basically

[earnest cove]

And i really appreciate that, in a world full of fakes

[wind hare]

But isn't that his "brand"? Isn't that also fake? How much is that really the person and not the internet persona

[muted robin]

I think a lot of asmon's takes are misinformed/based on incomplete information, but they are undeniably His Takes and I respect that infinitely more than someone who has good/unproblematic opinions but only has them bc they were told and doesn't really understand why their principles exist

[earnest cove]

this mentality is so today's internet

[winged knoll]

9 out of 10 dentists recommended PS

[muted robin]

Bc generally people who have the " right opinions" but only do it bc they were told to are fhe first ones to turn tail and run whenever controversy happens or to immediately lash out at acceptable targets

Not putting too fine of a point on it bc politics but there's a lot of people who say they believe in a principle (idk fairness) but then when push comes to shove they will enact the same behavior they hate in their opposition just bc it's them getting to do it

[earnest cove]

He has tons of money but still choose to live the humble house of his childhood because he's comfortable in it. Even if he get a new house it won't be a mansion. I think that speaks quite a bit.

[gloomy forge]

Yes what you say does make sense because its a learning experience. being performative equals never learning on how to change your opinion.

[muted robin]

Multiple other streamers have said that Asmon off stream talks exactly like he does on stream, just that he's way more withdrawn and introverted, which checks out w what he's said about himself

[earnest cove]

how people handle money tells a lot about their character. Same way I don't believe Thor is terrible.

Vshojo that one is condemn those people to the 9th level of hell

[muted robin]

But yeah, asmon is more bombastic on stream bc he's an entertainer and that's his job, but as far as actual behavior and personality he's the same either way

[gloomy forge]

thats why people use language like "he is doubling down" by the way, because saying that is also a performative act. instead of picking his opinion and questioning their opinion apart in a deconstructive manner. After all, none of what has been happening really matters for the one reading al of that.

people who learn about information will change or not change their opinion based on multiple things. that is not "doubling down". saying that always simplifies the situation.

[muted robin]

If bro could fake a more socially acceptable personality I think he would've done it instead of openly admitting to all the weird stuff he's lived through/ways he chooses to live

[muted robin]

Bc if Thor explains himself he's doubling down and if he doesn't explain himself he's ignoring/can't take criticism. The rhetoric isn't about honesty it's about making him in the wrong no matter what

[gloomy forge]

Not only that, but the first question i'd ask is "what culture".

[muted robin]

Which is why I think it's funny when ppl demand Thor take criticism bc it's like. Bro you criticize him for literally anything

[gloomy forge]

because cultures aren't all the same, some like thors approach. If we talk about internet culture, then twitch culture is different than youtube, discord, etc.

[muted robin]

Taking "criticism" from people who hate you and want you destroyed/dead is objectively stupid

[gloomy forge]

theres some things that apply holistically but theres so many nuances and differences. Nobody wants to hear about it in this context I feel.

[earnest cove]

I was very amused about his confessions that he almost became a real criminal that would make him end up in jail, in his youth

[muted robin]

Hey mr mouse, the cats have criticism for how you distribute your hiding holes and where you go to forage. Please listen to them or else you can't take criticism

[terse pelican]

There's a difference between Constructive Criticism and just being an ass aswell

[gloomy forge]

Its social engineering him to accept the opinion of the crowd. Read up on argumentum ad populum.

[terse pelican]

People try to veil toxic bs behind the label of criticism, When in reality, it's just pure dumbassery

[gloomy forge]

the danger with that is that it applies to all sides. Never only follow a crowd because you think "you're right".

[fierce bison]

I think its simpler than that. People like to fit in and be on the "right side" of history

[muted robin]

Criticism is like a-holes, everyone has one but only some are worth paying for

But no to be non pithy, not all criticism is created equal and you can't deem yourself some master authority that MUST receive a response just bc you're critical of something lmao

[terse pelican]

The problem there is that the ''Right Side'' is pure subjective perspective, and it casues gigantic rifts between people who, Realistic, Agree on most topics, but somehow disagree on one miniscule topic

[gloomy forge]

the right side of history here is all a waste of time i feel.

[fierce bison]

If people think they're on the side of justice, it emboldens them, and then they can do some really atrocious things, has history has shown time and time again

[terse pelican]

Injustice for the sake of Justice is a missguided ideal, but yeah

[gloomy forge]

thats why even though you guys disagree with that initiative that shall not be named here, I've been chill things will be fine at the end.

[terse pelican]

''Two Wrongs don't make a right''

[wind hare]

Some people wrote a wiki article to make him look bad to preserve their take in history.

[muted robin]

Also thor has received criticism.... from people directly involved in the trouble he's gotten himself into (ross, josh strife hays) and from people he has a more professional relationship with that are uninvolved in drama (dr k). What people mean when they say "he won't take criticism" is "he won't grovel in front of clout chasers who literally make money/careers off of defaming him"

[wind hare]

If no one changed it, then anyone looking for information would find that. What actually happened wouldn't matter because people would learn that reality

[muted robin]

It's not just a thor thing, the only criticism that actually matters is criticism from ppl directly involved in your business/who actually know you as a person. Anything else is just noise

[earnest cove]

I despise blind and radical virtue signalling. Been bullied like heck by those kind of people. So no matter how polished or good those people (and their causes) look, i won't support those

That's why i still won't support that redacted

[gloomy forge]

100% understandable, I only support it because I followed it for almost a year now. From my perspective, the drama amounts to around 12% of time spent with it.

[distant rapids]

Speaking of controversy, the edits are still occuring to the Wiki Page and people are still trying to spin ideas on it. I have an in-progress google doc we can use to collect thoughts, ping me if you want access, but the most impottant page to edit and source with neutrality is Thor's wiki page.

[winged knoll]

Ping

[earnest cove]

I respect that

[gloomy forge]

Hey as I wrote, its fine to disagree with me too I'm pretty chill.

[muted robin]

also ngl I wish more people were capable of listening to an issue without even necessarily taking a side. or at least being able to go "idk i have thoughts but i'm not really an expert in the field"

[wind hare]

Are ther eother pages then Thor's direct page being hit?

[earnest cove]

Being able to civilly agree to disagree is Much appreciated in current age

[muted robin]

a lot of the times whenever i hear about dirt on someone/something that i know nothing about, i just go "that could be true but i don't really have time to look and i don't care" so i just don't form an opinion even if i've only heard bad things

[distant rapids]

I don't think there are other pages, but thor's page was just made yesterday and they were trying to hit piece him with it.

[muted robin]

or "both sides make compelling points and i don't have the time/expertise to do further research to fact check each point they made, so i guess it's a complex issue"

[wind hare]

I've never jumped into editing wiki before but I will look into if I can contribute to the effort.

[distant rapids]

Anything helps! Do you want access to the doc?

[wind hare]

Sure

[muted robin]

the other thing the internet does to discourse is turn things into a hate mob where people literally demand that you MUST have an opinion or else you're clearly a member of [insert Other Side that we hate], so people will literally be bullied for NOT taking stances on things they know nothing about that have no relevance to their online presence

[gloomy forge]

The dumbest thing people could do here in this discord channel is suddenly have a kneejerk reaction to me and say how bad I am because I do something you guys disagree with in terms of some tiny circumstance. The way people reason/rationalize that would be similar to how people hate on Thor right now.

But I do like that Thor did foster a community that does "make up your own mind" which is great so thats not really a problem .

[swift gulch]

[muted robin]

the # of times i've seen people get canceled online for saying "idk i know literally nothing about that issue so i don't have an opinion" is unreal

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/pedir-pedri-reaction-pedri-observe-gif-3016461492503498570

[gloomy forge]

The internet is weird, especially the US side of things.

[muted robin]

real. sorry but (as a usamerican) people from the US are the dumbest people i've ever met

[gloomy forge]

based

[swift gulch]

TRU

[earnest cove]

Dray i can give you an example that made me hate virtue signalling at a personal level

[gloomy forge]

I don't wanna sound racist, its just funny reading that. I get what you mean. I'd blame that strong believe in individualism most of the time.

[muted robin]

like 90% of the time i have a nuanced conversation (especially about politics) with someone online, they're either not* USamerican, or if they are they're some kind of immigrant/new arrival and thus not fully inoculated into US insufferableness

[gloomy forge]

Sure, write me a DM if you feel confortable and don't wanna talk about it here.

[earnest cove]

I think I'll post it here because i believe it's unreasonable enough to maybe entertain

[muted robin]

it's less racism/xenophobia and more that the US is so powerful and privileged that citizens can be ignorant as a matter of course and never bother learning about other ways of life bc they literally don't need to when the US has done cultural/literal imperialism on so much of the world

but that may be going too #politics

yes i think my country is stupid, yes i love my country, we exist

[trim crater]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-myers-austin-powers-austin-dr-evil-doctor-evil-gif-19177199

[gloomy forge]

Yeah i understand your sentiments, the ghost in the past culturally are still haunting society. Same goes with other cultures. I don't think there has been any culture which is purely good unless its like a very lowly populated place where people kept to themselves.

[terse pelican]

I agree with this as a Non-American aswell. I think the US is stupid and yes, I love the US.

[gloomy forge]

Religion also plays a huge role with happyness, look a Bhutan, its like what if is a country.

[waxen comet]

i lost respect for tectone starting the arknight days and lost all of it as time went on as a gacha cc

[gloomy forge]

theres also religion and all that supports that sort of approach too, tons of super happy people in places like that.

[muted robin]

also. completely irrelevant but every time thor widens his eyes in response to cursed chat/TTS he reminds me of Louie from Pikmin 2

or just like the way hocotatians are animated in general

[earnest cove]

So once upon a time i was in a discord of a few dozen people maybe close to a hundred. They were really heavy in the whole "accomodate and respect each other" thing. A new member joined and wanted everyone to promise to use "they" or else it'll trigger their suicidal tendencies.

They also refuse to put their apparently very pronoun in their name to make things easier. Everyone must memorise. Discord did have the feature to check pronouns but you'd have to actively click that name.

I said I'll try but i cannot promise. It's not just thst one chatroom i have to remember who's what. I have other discords as well.

What happened after that was a 1 hour whole group grilling session demanding that i promise to call that person they. Be the good person they said. Be the better person they said. It's so simple they said. They won't stop even when i had a mental and emotional breakdown demanding me to swear an oath.

And of course the new person also pulled the kermit card on me.

[muted robin]

https://tenor.com/view/mongell-coin-pikmin-louie-gif-25406112

[earnest cove]

I was framed as a bad bad bad intolerance unemphatic person

[fierce bison]

you have to pay attention to some poeople's special needs, how else are they going to make themselves feel special? don't rob them

[earnest cove]

Ooooh that person who drives others to kermit oooooo

[fierce bison]

they will invent anything in order to impose their will on you so they can feel special

[earnest cove]

The situation was extra absurd because that person literally just joined

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats how inconsequentialism and moral relativism causes people to snowball into cults. Every person has the right of human dignity and the degree of individualism but that does not mean that everyone must worship those principles. If you or anyone mess up, I would say its fine.

Lots of trans friends I know IRL do not care if someone messes up. It is good that people respect you inside a save space because they know you better but if it boils down to it, it all comes with mutual patience and respect. As long as nobody is intentionally misrepresenting you with the intent to hurt you, then transgressions are and should be allowed. Thats my opinion.

[fervent wedge]

Bro Holy Hell Vshojo is Absolutely COOKED.

[gloomy forge]

vshojon't

[fervent wedge]

literally EVERYONE is gone.

[earnest cove]

Yeah they are

[fierce bison]

Didnt know about them until now but from what I hear, good riddance

[earnest cove]

Actual criminal org, running away with charity money

[fierce bison]

i (ironically) don't watch vtubers, can someone explain to me please what the advantage of a vtuber org is?

[fervent wedge]

It apparently also wasnt Just Mouse, they held Pay from ALOT of other creators too.

[fierce bison]

why not just be independent

[earnest cove]

Business networking

[waxen comet]

i personally believe that people who have severe suicidal tendencies or have severe issues when something minor yet frequent thing occurs should seek medical help first before they can fully normalize in society

[lyric venture]

Like any agent type org, networking

[serene valley]

also helps with investing into models

[gloomy forge]

I mean vshoujo never did anything anyway

[serene valley]

cuz the company has more means to invest in that stuff

[earnest cove]

They paid none of the talents. Their staff only got 50 percent

[fierce bison]

what does that means specifically though, for a vtuber?

[fervent wedge]

Buisness networking and also sometimes they help with the cost of their Models bc they're very VERY expensive to make.

[lyric venture]

LIkely putting vtubers themselves together with artists and riggers who make the models

[waxen comet]

branding and visibility + the model and rigging of a vtuber

[lyric venture]

The models and rig setups are insanely expensive

[waxen comet]

yea they expensive

[lyric venture]

(at least insane to me anyways)

[waxen comet]

cant source it by yourself in a reasonable amount of time

[dusky grove]

Being indie is unreliable. Your income fluctuates wildly and you have to manage everything on your own (or with a small team you payroll). A corp will handle the behind the scenes stuff like sponsors, moderation, networking, merch, etc. Not vshojo, but others also provide models and pcs for their talents

[waxen comet]

unless youre willing to go 5th rate models and rigging

[fierce bison]

but they weren't on payroll no? agency just takes a cut

[waxen comet]

the answer is it depends

for example

[gloomy forge]

The amount of audiences are finite as well. going indie and be successful differ.

[lyric venture]

I dont know the specifics of Vshojo but some agent companies get the money and then pay the talent

[waxen comet]

hololive talents get a payroll

[earnest cove]

What's inconsequentialism?

I remember a time when trans people were okay with people mistaking them especially if not obviously. But my good lord in recent years I kept getting bullied by the new "trans" people who'd play all sorts of attack cards if I don't get it right

[waxen comet]

but they also take direct money from merch sales and holo just takes a cut

[lyric venture]

So yes in theory they take a cut, but if they take it all and dont pay (which it sounds like Vshojo was maybe doing) then..

[dusky grove]

Depends on the corp, I assume. I think some have a steady pay in exchange for a smaller cut of the fluctuating income (merch, donos, etc)

[fierce bison]

ok so you guys say it's (maybe) fixed paycheck, connecting with artists for the model, etc, but don't these agencies only sign you if you're already popular? In which case why do you need them in the first place, you already have a lot of connections through your audience by default, not?

[waxen comet]

the answer an also it depends

some talents didnt ahve the same visibility

now they are boosted

[lyric venture]

Yeah it depends. Some very popular people may just not have the skills to do the networking side

[waxen comet]

example is calliope

and gura

[earnest cove]

Especially if you're trying to get into the music industry indie often don't have connections

[waxen comet]

both were previous entertainers in some way

now theyre one of the biggest vtubers ever

[lapis tartan]

Think the Vtuber studios tend to handle advertisement and merch. Those shaker cups, and energy powders and models and doodads.

[lyric venture]

ANd hiring a dedicated staff that has the resources is very expensive.

[gloomy forge]

inconsequentialism usually would mean that "the consequence of things don't matter and has no relevancy". the definition of inconsequentialism here is that what you said to the person had more bearing than the person themselves which is messed up. In another terms, they tossed you out because they relativized you to a number and used all sorts of reasoning to justify that notion.

[waxen comet]

some agencies also dont necessarily take popular ones but being popular helps

[earnest cove]

Another example is Vesper Noir. He was the biggest earner among the boys in Cover. But the moment he left the company he's way way way way less visible or popular....

[lyric venture]

Generally agent/talent companies theres always the question of whether they offer the value that they are paid for, but in general this the first I have seen where the company just seems to run off with the money.

[dusky grove]

Some vtubers in agencies were non-vtubers before. Hime from vshojo is sydsnap for example. Others just need an extra boost financially for a model upgrade (Suisei from hololive) because some models are... just... well yknow...

[fierce bison]

how did his visibility lower?

[waxen comet]

he doesnt have holo anymroe duh

[fervent wedge]

Ehhhh Yes and No? Even as a Streamer You CAN make Connections but it becomes alot harder by yourself VS if its all interwebed and connected already Or a Company reaches out on your behalf, it makes it helluva lot easier.

[earnest cove]

He used to have the highest sub count for his gen. Back then it was 270k. Now hovering only at 81k

[muted robin]

honestly. this is purely based on personal experience of myself and others, but people who are actually suicidal don't go around constantly screaming that they're suicidal and threatening other people to do what they want or they'll be the sole reason they committed. IME people who are suicidal are the exact opposite, they want to stfu and never be heard from/of again and don't want to impose their difficulties on others

[fierce bison]

idk what "holo" is

[waxen comet]

holo means hololive

the company

[gloomy forge]

I watch nijisanji jp very dearly but holy hell do I not know anyone of nijisanji en

[waxen comet]

shorthand for hololive

[fierce bison]

i see

[waxen comet]

aka Covercorp

the parent company

[gloomy forge]

OHHHH vesper is not a nijisanji en member but a holo member.

[waxen comet]

i only know 1

[gloomy forge]

[waxen comet]

well

5

[fierce bison]

do you more concretely mean he couldn't use the same account so he had to start fresh independently?

[earnest cove]

That person claim to have history of suicide attempts. That was used to try to control the group instead of healing.... So i dunno.

[dusky grove]

Its kinda like partnering with a publisher. If a game has EA's label on it, it gets more wide spread.

The companies have branding of their own, and being a part of that essentially gives you a head start for your audience

[waxen comet]

selen, petra, pomu, millie,

ok 4

[lyric venture]

I mean even Thor has a company he deals with for sponsoships and what not that coordinates that. Thor just has more control over he deals with vs some other streamers (for example Thor saying hes not working with Sony cause of their stupid policies of recent)

[waxen comet]

pretty much

[earnest cove]

He cannot use Vesper Noir because that character is owned by the corpo

[waxen comet]

if you leave hololive, you leave the vtuber behind too

[lyric venture]

So it really just depends on what you need out of a company that does networking/coordinaton.

[waxen comet]

so he cant use Vesper Noir

[earnest cove]

He's back on his Randon the Orc account

[waxen comet]

its why Gura turned into Saba

[fierce bison]

I see

[waxen comet]

legally speaking, saba cannot use gura as she doesnt own gura

[earnest cove]

Yes

[fierce bison]

is it a completely separate account or just different model?

[waxen comet]

its stuck to hololive

[lyric venture]

But just like a publisher, the job of a company like that is help promote and sell you (cause of course they get a cut of that).

[gloomy forge]

sabas model is absolute peak though.

[waxen comet]

diff acc diff model

[gloomy forge]

must be the first model that pushes 20k or so.

[waxen comet]

its basically different both

[fierce bison]

ah ok that makes sense then, the reduced audience

[earnest cove]

Completely separate account. It was his old vtuber identity before he became Vesper Noir

[waxen comet]

he cannot use vesper noir account

nor can he use the model

EVERYTHING about vesper noir he cannot use AT ALL

[gloomy forge]

bro, have you seen the moving parts sabas model has, its honestly insane.

[earnest cove]

Yes

[waxen comet]

if he so chooses to leave

[earnest cove]

Very very good

[waxen comet]

which he did

[fierce bison]

thanks for explaining, everyone

[terse pelican]

So you're saying the Company owns the rights to 'Vesper Noir' ?

[waxen comet]

yes

[terse pelican]

That's unfortunate

[earnest cove]

He was having a ton of problems maintaining his medication while travelling for work in Japan.

And he needs those because he hallucinates

[waxen comet]

thing is that the person behind vesper noir isnt the one who made it most likely

like

just because you dressed up as colonel sanders

[gloomy forge]

I love vtubing, its just a honestly innocent and fun form of self expression.

[waxen comet]

and licensed by kfc to be the actor

doesnt mean that you can strut around and BE colonel sanders after you quit

[gloomy forge]

doesn't hurt anyone, its silly, you can goof around and meme about yourself or roleplay, make your own story.

[earnest cove]

Yeah

[gloomy forge]

I'd unironically and honestly say that if you wanna get into acting, vtube first.

[waxen comet]

Robert Downey Jr plays Tony Stark but he ISNT tony stark

similar thing

[earnest cove]

Crimson Ruze is super fun. Be acts as 10 different people for his karaoke because his lore is that he has multiple spirits in him. One for each colour of the rainbow

At one point he acted as the critter mascot and it was super cute

[dusky grove]

And if vtubing is too high a hurdle. Start with a png. Heck, just dont have an avatar and start as a disembodied voice

[gloomy forge]

Here in germany there is a school in Berlin that teaches grown ass ladies to talk like little girls to learn anime voice acting its also a way to "break out of your shell" in the acting process.

[waxen comet]

10 people
one for each color of the rainbow
i mustve missed the extra colors

[earnest cove]

It includes a bunch of non rainbows

[sinful kestrel]

the hdr10 rainbow

[dusky grove]

I mean, indigo and violet are only slightly different. I assume each language divides the spectrum differently

[umbral gazelle]

Sovietwomble does great and he only has a dog cam that doesn't even contain dog 40% of the time

[waxen comet]

dang cant wait for White, Black, and Brown

[earnest cove]

So, himself, the 7 guys, one black colour..... I know its 9

[dusky grove]

I know russia has seperate word for light and dark blue

[waxen comet]

btw did you know

orange is basically neon brown

[polar trail]

I must say I do not really like when Vtubers do roleplay as their character, it often comes off as cringey to me

I'd rather them act like normal streamers and entertainers

[waxen comet]

most of the time they do

but sometimes they have to refer to things in context of their model

like

Mamarat

to refer their actual mom

cause saying Mama is kinda different in vtube space

[polar trail]

I know I know

[waxen comet]

it can mean the artist who drew the model

[polar trail]

But I'm talking more about acting like a character altogether

Which some do, or at least it seems so to me

[waxen comet]

i hardly found vtubers that do that tbh

pretty much all of hololive act like streamers first and foremost

[gloomy forge]

100% disagree, I'd only recommend png tubing if you don't have a webcam and a friend that can make something nice for ya or get a character from a free repository I have a vtuber model I made that was made in a 5 USD budget. for the model AND extra equipment.

[polar trail]

I suppose it's true

[waxen comet]

in fact sometimes its the opposite

Towa, a devil, acts more angelic than devilish

[waxen comet]

neuro basically started as a stock vtuber model

[gloomy forge]

Yeah hiyori.

[terse pelican]

I don't watch enough VTubers to have a direct opinion

[gloomy forge]

I know the model.

[waxen comet]

filian was also using like

a public vtuber model

which got her into a bit of legal trouble

[gloomy forge]

Just make your own, its seriously easy to make one.

if me the king of pepegas can do it so can anyone

[waxen comet]

i imagine the rigging is the difficult part

cause drawing up the 2d or 3d model is relatively simple

[gloomy forge]

depends, theres already prerigging compilers but blender is gigaeasy in that regard.

[waxen comet]

can draw a stick figure

[gloomy forge]

literally drag and drop dots.

and holding a hotkey

like playing 98% of all video games is way more difficult.

[waxen comet]

that requires more brainpower than the average gamer actually

[distant rapids]

Chat, do yall know where to find find more info about Thor's hackerman stuff (him winning the coins, his writeups, etc)

[gloomy forge]

UH I dunno about that

but i'm not really a gigagamer.

[waxen comet]

i present to you: games with an auto feature

you press

ONE BUTTON

auto setups stuff

auto fights stuff

[gloomy forge]

Bayonetta did that.

[waxen comet]

slep

[gloomy forge]

you press button and Bayonetts fights, so you can play the game with only one hand.

what do you with the other hand is up to you.

...

[waxen comet]

meanwhile people are instantly intimidated by blender UI

they hardly know any hotkeys

[polar trail]

I mean, it is very daunting

[waxen comet]

and navigating in menus is scary for most

[gloomy forge]

thats why you read half a page to understand the ropes of rigging and thats it.

I get what you mean though.

[waxen comet]

like theyre using big scary advanced software

[polar trail]

I wouldn't call Blender's UI intuitive

[gloomy forge]

I'm glad blockbench exists.

Isn't there a blender fork with ez UI?

[waxen comet]

thats half a page more than most people would do

[gloomy forge]

just a very inoffensive looking UI.

[waxen comet]

to note on that end

teach me how to rig

[terse pelican]

BlockTubers is the next big thing?

[waxen comet]

theres

soemthing i wanna try

[gloomy forge]

people read internet comments 8 hours a day but can't read a instruction manual.

I can relate

[waxen comet]

you can have a toddler scroll through shorts but they wont be able to read

same logic applies

[gloomy forge]

ye, let the kid read some tolstoy first then give it tiktok to balance things out.

I should write Thor that he should also put blockbench on the list of 3d tools.

Kinda silly he didn't already.

its better than blender for indie devs that make lowpoly.

100% it is

[distant rapids]

I cant wrap my head around blockbench, but lowpoly in blender is eaay peasy to me. So weird brain things. My brain ALSO hates sculpting

... but it loves sculpting in real life.

[gloomy forge]

Ohhhh thats interesting.

maybe you love the tactile sense and viscerality of things?

the UI of blender stimulates your brain in a way so you think you actually get things done.

maybe you love complex engineering irl?

like making your own custom motherboard or fixing an old one.

or something even more difficult, playing factorio

[distant rapids]

Definitely, i do. Without the feedback i can't grasp stuff as well- but with feedback, i can understand it well. Also yes, though I don't dabble at it much- i've taken apart 1998 furbies and put them back together again

I've never actually played factorio, though. I am afraid of doing so

[gloomy forge]

You should 100% play factorio. once it clicks for you it will click hard.

[distant rapids]

That's the problem, i also need to eat and sleep

I remember playing tekkit for minecraft... oh the hours spent

[gloomy forge]

once you realize what the devs intended the game to be and how they conveyed that made me sit in my chair dumbfounded.

Yeah tekkit was fun i remeber that time too.

[waxen comet]

so how do you rig model for vtubing
whats your source

[earnest cove]

In cover corp, the actual acting in character stuff were for special events and voice packs. Otherwise they're themselves more or less, unless they joking around

[polar trail]

i couldnt imagine purchasing one of those voice packs

its such an odd thing

[earnest cove]

Since the serious acting as the company's character is only for special events, they don't do it outside much

[earnest cove]

For the guys their brand is basically like buying an episode of anime

[polar trail]

is it?

from the ones ive seen i wouldnt say their brand was like that

corpos i mean

[earnest cove]

Just holostars because one of the members pitched that idea. Because they're all based on RPG character archetypes

Like say "you're a merchant who bought their service to protect your cargo"

And they voice act as your bodyguards fending off the monsters of rpg land

[polar trail]

yeah, but it just kinda feels smarmy so to speak

[gloomy forge]

It takes a bit to explain the details, you can use vroid for the baserig and then convert the vrm to adjust in blender.

[polar trail]

inauthentic

[gloomy forge]

for 2d, use inochi.

you can also optimize the rigging process in blender. because vrms are very unoptimized.

[waxen comet]

which is why ill just ask the source on how to cause i have models to try

like a 3d model

[earnest cove]

I mean.... Even though you don't like it, the voice packs sell like hot cakes so they have their market

It's part of their job for signing up with that corpo

[gloomy forge]

its kinda complicated to explain because it wouild require some abstraction but heres a good video showing the basics of a 3d model that isn't a base made in some other editor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RSwjZLClRc

[polar trail]

of course, i understand why they do it

i mean, i would do it too for good money

[waxen comet]

isnt this talking about the process of making a 3d model

or do i really need to do this even when i have a model with the bones and weight paint alr included

[gloomy forge]

If you already have a 3d model with everything included, all you have to do is to run that model with a programm like warudo: https://warudo.app/

rigging is basically important to enable your model to have inverse kinematics, that can be translated to your movement you're doing.

[subtle gate]

take a shot everytime Thor says "to be real with you"

[swift gulch]

I'd rather not get alcohol poisoning

[gloomy forge]

as for rigging a vtuber model that means that the "dots" correspondent to the face tracking points from the tracking program.

"tracking" means "pulling the strings in your model for in-puppet inverse kinematics". The tracking is coming from inside the model when you do vtubing as weird as it sounds

thats how you can have very accurate face tracking with the weights included. I only did rigging for anime models but it in a way semi realistic/over rigging works too but it requires probably different hardware.

Personally, i use this conversion method: https://github.com/nanoskript/vrm-rigify?tab=readme-ov-file thats usually only needed if you wanna optimize the rig. The basic rigging is fine if you wanna just use vroid and have a modern machine. blenders rigging is way less bloated than the automatic conversion method.

Unity is needed if you wanna go all out and have that epic semi realistic facial tracking be included like what people did with the Lapwing model.

[ocean agate]

VTuber?

[gloomy forge]

the perfect vtuber doesn't exi-

[fluid dome]

Just beat code vein

Absolute perfection

[lapis tartan]

I can't wait for more info on what sort of brain worms Vshojo contracted to do something so bafflingly stupid.

[gloomy forge]

Well, its just corruption and them being unprofessional.

[lyric venture]

Im sure it was yeah just stupid ideas and probably stealing from Peter to pay Paul.

Which of course ultimately has led to them just falling apart, which if they had restructured things before it got to that point they could have survived. Now? I dont think they come back from this.

[lapis tartan]

But I'd have to assume they had a good gig going there. Making lots of money and the moment they had more money they decided "eh this is enough, time to burn the place down."

[lyric venture]

It could be that but I think more likely they overextended themselves and made bad decisions

[ocean agate]

you shouldnt sit in the building when you set it on fire

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/community-chaos-chaotic-fire-gif-17636558

[ocean agate]

the ritual

[earnest cove]

the brain worms of overspending

people pointed to the shibuya ad post that would have cost a bajillion bucks to put there.

[gloomy forge]

I mean the model itself isn't even amazing but the freaking MS Paint background leave it to the community to roast the poor dude in the best way possible.

[proud depot]

holy shit that tts he didn't play

[ocean agate]

i made it for a cursed quest, the mouth barely moves and i dont even think its setup to move properly

[gloomy forge]

I'm gigacritical to thor but the way he says things now vs 12-9 months ago improved several times. He barely uses absolutists statements anymore and is way more "flowery" with the examples. He really thought about himself.

Also implies a lot that its just his own perception of things.

[earnest cove]

the way he described the etherya oddessey game was hilarious

[gloomy forge]

FOE!

https://tenor.com/view/etrian-odyssey-foe-iosys-gif-25982947

[ocean agate]

absolutionist statements can be hard for some people to avoid since they get used to thinking in extremes

and then they use them in passing

[gloomy forge]

Theres many reasons why people use absolutist statement, sometimes its just plain inconsiderations. Thor lerned a lot in how to change his own phrasing.

conveying ideas and all. I enjoy his talks way more now than 16 months ago thats for sure.

from "oh hell naw" to "yeah I can see what you mean by that"

[ocean agate]

oh yeah its a good thing to avoid using statements like that especially in a streaming space where when you say "never" or "always" some one clips it and all of a sudden 50 years later....some one screams and point you said NEVER, like come on....really

[lapis tartan]

Yeah, it's been fun being a part of this community. Thor's just a dude, but he happily shares so much with us. It just feels very motivating and supportive here.

[gloomy forge]

Its not about that, its more about knowing that many topics are way over someones head. Implies to everyone as well. Also only because someone is really famous, knowledgeable or right that doesn't mean that what they say is based on all considerations too.

[lapis tartan]

Thor: Here's this cool thing I found. Shares

[gloomy forge]

Yeah that as well.

[split tulip]

Has there been any evidence of curruption or is it just speculation?

[gloomy forge]

from a surface level, there isn't much difference between stupidity and malice.

[crude canyon]

Now he needs to get better at admitting fault and say sorry right away and the internet will accept that and move forward without any drama 🙂

He don't deserve all this drama,no one does infact

[gloomy forge]

there isn't any evidence of corruption as of now, but it also doesn't matter. Not paying your staff is by itself a corrupt activity. I'm sure there will be investigations once vshoujo has been salvaged.

[split tulip]

not paying staff is wage theft, but does not equal corruption

[lapis tartan]

Everyone quit, unless this is some 4d chess move to bring attention and suddenly rebrand or something. No, they dun f'd up and it's bout to get legal up in there.

[kindred sedge]

Did Thor do an Ant check? I was at work until 10ish minutes ago

[split tulip]

You can run your business into the ground without pocketing money

so far the signs point towards mismanagement

[lapis tartan]

Yes, still 1 drone, they haven't started foraging yet. Usually takes up to 3 drones before they start exploring.

[gloomy forge]

theres two things really.

1. people already began accepting him again in some ways. because mainly of a video that another youtuber posted where thor talks about some of the introspection and the situation. On the other hand, the majority that don't accept what Thor has to say just wanna moveon too. All that dramafarming for clicks became too obvious.
2. I'm sure he now knows how to say sorry if theres a issue. Streaming is hard, but its also undenyable that Thor back then was on a high horse, being the posterboy of twitch basically. And you're also correct, none of it warranted harrasment.

As for vshojon't, I just wait until the investigation is done. Its criminal stuff, wage theft just being one of that. The scale and severety is kinda unique and requires a lot of analysis of the authorities.

Like if Thor talks down at me I'd call him a big insecure baby and thats it. I'd get mad and after a few weeks at worst its gonna be good again.

[crude canyon]

and if you said that in chat you would have been chatbanned ,thats also a bit a problem,you kinda cant voice your opinion in return

maybe we can after all the drama is over

[gloomy forge]

I just voiced that here, I didn't get banned nor did a mod talk to me in the back.

the reason why people get banned is because people swarm the twitch and youtube chat saying bad things.

I can see why sometimes the banbot is triggerhappy.

and they probably try to work on it considering there has been a lot of unjustified friendly fire.

[lapis tartan]

It's a mess, and why the mods deserve more bread... I mean, not bread... o .o;

🍞 🍞 🍞

[nova bough]

i did get tired of the error code 3000 on twitch. so now im watching on youtube....with twitch chat popped out to the side lol

[gloomy forge]

Its weird, I get the EC3000 once a month, pressing f5 once solves it for the whole time.

and some others have it basically forever.

[crude canyon]

I usually get the error on my ps5 alot on twitch

[nova bough]

i get it every like 10 mins

super annoying

[gloomy forge]

hmm, did you check ram allocation?

because it implies that your ram is full.

there is a fix I think may help, but is potentially not a fix at all.

on your twitch player, the window where the strim runs on, click on tbat cogwheel -> then go to "extended options" (which is probably what it reads in english) -> then choose "low latency"

because the low latency mode has been developed using a modern framework it bypasses some of the things that may make your player crash.

try it out if you haven't already and tell me if it was the cause of such crashes.

[nova bough]

ram is fine

[gloomy forge]

neat.

[nova bough]

thing is, prior to like... a few months ago? i rarely got it

like maybe once per day, then something happened and i get it all the time

[gloomy forge]

try the low latency mode that i described.

[vivid maple]

https://vxtwitter.com/tiltify/status/1948089598585770018 holy shit not even 48 hours later and its nearing 1 million

Tiltify (@tiltify)

Inspired by the Vtuber community, we are honored to support ironmouse and @immunedeficienC

We turned on a donation match, meaning all donations will be doubled up to $5,000

Let's push this campaign to $1 mil!

Donate:
https://tiltify.com/@ironmouse/ironmouse https://t.co/GIj4csxIpm

QRT: Pretec7
@tiltify Random thought if you guys are not already, but if you guys stepped up and reduced your processing fee cut or did your own donation to the cause that would be pretty cool.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 23, 2025, 6:35 PM

also jacksepticeye donated 10k

[gloomy forge]

neat.

[nova bough]

eh, now that im using youtube il stick with that. later i might pop over to low latency when i watch other streamers

[gloomy forge]

Alrighty I just wanna see what is the cause of that.

[nova bough]

low latency was already on anyways

[gloomy forge]

damn.

yeah alright, at least I know it was a placebo now.

[terse pelican]

Hardware Acceleration on the Browser?

[nova bough]

tho i can uncheck that and it becomes

[serene valley]

is hardware acceleration when I throw my PC out of the plane

it's gonna accelerate

and it's hardware

[gloomy forge]

I use the same "use recommended performance settings" and it works 100% fine here. maybe its related to that but also your GPU and driver settings.

Could explain why it also hangs on the ps5, maybe theres incompatibilities.

[nova bough]

well this computer is not a gaming pc

its a little computer

[gloomy forge]

seems like a new pc though, the pc i own where I play games with right now still has age old hardware. Only the storage space is new. The pc i usually use is sandy bridge tier old.

can you tell me your GPU or don't you have any?

[nova bough]

no gpu

[gloomy forge]

maybe its built into the N100 but I never seen the N100, seems like a newer CPU though, just resource friendly I'd assume.

AHHH.

[nova bough]

its a tiny tiny pc

[gloomy forge]

so its probably the same tech that android CPUs use.

yeah

[nova bough]

mostly for just normal stuff, but i also use it to watch streams while i work

[gloomy forge]

APUs

Yeah understandable, let me check some of the specifics of the architecture. coming back at ya.

[nova bough]

its a beelink S12

it does really well for its price and size.

[terse pelican]

If it works

[nova bough]

i mean it does work lol. really well. its just not for gaming. its for just normal use

and its smol.

[gloomy forge]

Alright I checked it, seems very modern and optimized. I then checked what people say about the twitch problem, some say its because that hardware acceleration is on, but many others say its not because of that. again, it works on my end but even a ps5 can't handle it. Its all strange.

Have you checked that you have this GPU driver version on your pc? -> 32.0.101.6972 this is most likely the newest version. You use fedora, can you try to update GPU drivers?

if nothing works, just disable hardware acceleration. me not saying it will work maybe counterjinx it maybe its the solution.

[nova bough]

i might in a bit, atm im finishingi up work, but i will later :)

[winged knoll]

Hehe smol

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/mintani-gif-20775583

[earnest cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSUuW--YSc4&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VUw%3D%3D

the immuno charity president personally thanked ironmouse

[vivid maple]

the black sabbath memorial in birmningham

[hazy storm]

that's great she got public acknowledgment

the fact that this is the second attempt, and BOTH were wildly successful, shows how committed ironmouse is to the cause

[earnest cove]

we are sooooo close to 1 mil now

[hazy storm]

the charity would have to be incredibly dense not to acknowledge that

[knotty marsh]

1mil!

And it's not slowing down

Power of the mouse

[earnest cove]

ONE MILLION YEAH!!!

[vivid maple]

https://vxtwitter.com/edgeshadow1789/status/1947828834986037268 yall remember this WoW ad?

edgeshadowbearer1789 sony PC PROPHET! (@edgeshadow1789)

RIP ozzy ozbourne. you were a true GOAT. he always had a love for gaming culture in some form, and was also one of the few people that could stand toe to toe with the lich king over the "prince of darkness" title

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 23, 2025, 1:19 AM

[toxic rampart]

Again, his influence cannot be understated or even well grasped and the amount of respect I have for what he gave us collectively can't be expressed.

Without even being a "fan" in the listener sense, he touched and enriched nearly every part of life from music I enjoy to films I like.

He had a cultural impact that will be felt for generations weather or not you know it.

Without him, we'd miss so much and never even know it.

The line from him to the bands I like and enjoy today is a gd arrow. From noise to industrial to punk and anything with edge.
It's mind warping to think about the cultural shift he caused.

[vivid maple]

thats why he was called the father or metal

for the simple fact that him and his band pioneered the genre in the 70s

[earnest cove]

he was a legend indeed

[toxic rampart]

Absolutely.
Without discrediting Sabbath's work ofc but his willingness to lift other bands and the way he inspired countless people cannot be well understood.

He changed everything.
Even outside of "metal".

Heck, we wouldn't have Black Flag, godfathers of Hardcore and one of the most important punk bands of all time because of Rollins just being a massive dork over them

[hasty grail]

totally un related to anything and everything because i want to do a small rant about something

https://youtu.be/EBJYdFG_CW0

first, Eelis has a lot of Outer WIlds runs on their channel, cut to like 2-3 hrs for easy viewing

2nd

this dude comes VERY CLOSE to discovering ||the virtual realm AND dying to get in it||

30min into the video for note

[earnest cove]

even my mom who don't listen to metal had heard of Ozzy.

and this is Malaysia too

[hasty grail]

of all the runs ive seen, to nearly accidently do both is absurd

AHHHH

[toxic rampart]

Malaysia has incredible metal and hardcore bands.
It really is wild to think of the literal social and cultural impact he had.

[earnest cove]

Whoa i didn't know that! Myself and my family doesn't listen to metal so I'm unfortunately ignorant about that scene.

Extra surprised that metal was so popular due to much stronger religious pressure that used to see metal as haram

[toxic rampart]

It's not even just metal is the biggest take away.
Like as funny as it sounds, without him and Sabbath kicking the first domino in the 70s you wouldn't have.... Idek.. Green Day lmao

[jolly sky]

He inspired so many bands, he featured among other bands at the time that acted as the fertile soil for so many other bands and genres to spring forth

I don't think Black Label Society would have existed without him, especially as the Lead singer/Rhythm Guitarist Zakk Wylde also performed in Black Sabbath for a bit

[earnest cove]

And a lot of game music wouldn't exist too

[toxic rampart]

Some games themselves really.
Think of the butterfly effect he's had on what you like.
My pfp, Doom.
Romero being a DND and Metal dork wouldn't have happened the way it did.

Like. I'm not a Sabbath fan, which funny enough sounds blasphemous from a metal head but they're just not of my time so I don't vibe.

But I cannot ignore or deny the impact in my life daily from them.
Even if I wasn't a noise enjoyer.

[jolly sky]

Yea I've enjoyed a few Black Sabbath/Ozzy songs, and I'm not seeking them out, but what I have heard I like

[toxic rampart]

Rollins, my personal hero, lead of Black Flag, God fathers of hardcore and one of the most important punk bands of all time:
https://youtu.be/BOFVsaGSeSM?si=RJO65DbIKnB_zfQ9

And the butterfly effect from him and blackflag is staggering.
It's hard to wrap your head around one mans influence on culture forever.

[high canyon]

How yall doing today

[toxic rampart]

Pretty okay.
Slept inn. Slept again.
Pre prepping for porting a certain game when a new handheld device gets here.

Vibing.

[high canyon]

vibing

[toxic rampart]

OH and new Anamanaguchi just dropped.
It just became a pretty good day instead lol

[swift star]

About to get off day shift in a few minutes. Head homes to the wife and kitties. Spend all night waking because tomorrow I day-sleep for night shift.

Game on.

[lyric venture]

Not going to lie I had a small panic moment thinking you posted something about Rollins cause something happened with him and I was about to lose my mind.

[toxic rampart]

OH NO

I would be in actual shambles lmao

I'm sure you figured it out but I was ranting like a loon about Ozzy's effect on culture in its entirety.

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-yapping-gibberish-gif-12149271129610571922

[lyric venture]

https://youtu.be/0c6ne7LaM1g?si=iqX0uPgWlIBwXXIe&t=247 If you are interested in Henry's thoughts after the news.

[toxic rampart]

BALD HENRY JUMPSCARE
(it honestly still works tho )

[lyric venture]

Yeah first time I have seen Henry in quite some time so that was a surprise.

[frosty socket]

More like Blonde Ozzy Osbourne Jumpscare, that's so damn weird

[toxic rampart]

Yeah I forgot about his early look before he was "The Prince of Darkness" too lol

[lyric venture]

lol yeah I forgot he was blonde for a time. Pretty crazy.

[earnest cove]

the madlads have done it. They've given double of the money that got stolen.

[frosty socket]

Woot!

[earnest cove]

What happens if they found all the responsible parties and the stolen charity money was completely gone? Will it become a criminal case or something?

[opaque raven]

What is the charity for btw?

[high canyon]

Its too difficult to say for sure, but probably

[opaque raven]

I'm out of the loop on this one

[high canyon]

The Immune Defeciency Foundation

fudge i cant spell

[earnest cove]

Imagine if you have 0 immunity to everything including otherwise harmless bacteria

[lyric venture]

Certainly a civil case, but if they breached certain contracts they can be held criminally responsible, though its unlikely.

[earnest cove]

what's the difference between a civil case and a criminal case?

[frosty socket]

Very likely only a difference charges, both charges would be criminal, afaik

[earnest cove]

aah i see

[lyric venture]

Civic is suing for money (generally) and criminal usually has punishments like jail time

[high canyon]

Civil is between 2 parties; criminal involves the justice system to some degree

[frosty socket]

Criminal case can involve jail time as part of the punishment

[lyric venture]

Yeah Eternal's description is generally more accurate

[high canyon]

In Criminal cases, the prosecution is always the govt (the county, the state, feds)

"The people vs OJ Simpson" for example

[frosty socket]

Am using old mobile phone, as new is dead battery, and charging atm

And holy SHIT this thing is temperamental

[lyric venture]

Criminal vs Civil in the USA is also different as far as finding a verdict is its generally beyond a reasonable doubt vs preponderance of evidence

[high canyon]

yes! very true!

[umbral gazelle]

of all the people on this server how do we not have a a few criminal lawyers xD

[lyric venture]

I mean, if the internet has taught us anything its everyone is a lawyer ;p

[earnest cove]

is Embezzlement a criminal or civil case?

[high canyon]

For a criminal conviction; a judge or jury must find the evidence to show guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt" but in civil cases, the judge or jury just has to find that the evidence shows one side "is more likely than not, liable"

it can be both

[lyric venture]

Yeah it can be both. Generally in things like embezzlement they will do a criminal case first as if they are found guilty, its a very easy civil case (typically)

But thats also why they go first criminally, because if you just do it civilly and they are found to not be liable, its WAY harder to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

The OJ Simpson case is a perfect example of that

It will be very interesting to see how the Vshojo thing shakes out. My guess is they file very soon for backruptcy to try to stall any ability to go after money (won't solve all their issues but can delay things)

[earnest cove]

oh man, one of the girls

or this is a joke

i don't know everyone

[high canyon]

A joke?

why would it be a joke, i dont understand lol

[earnest cove]

that she's not actually from vshojo

[late bane]

chat, good use of AI or nah?

[real cradle]

theoretically good use of AI, in practice, it's just another step toward dead internet, bots commenting on bots, bots trolling bots, bots making slop for bots to follow

[late bane]

theres also an option there to straighup block bots

[real cradle]

and that is probably unironically the only use of ai I have zero problems with. Use ai to stop the spread of ai.

[toxic rampart]

Isn't this also already a type of "fly trap" for AI and bot crawlers themselves?

Just looping links with lorem ipsum and no return iirc.

Good chance I'm just conflating two things right this second tho lol.

[red halo]

Either the the comments that are just trolling got deleted this time or the haters saw the new VShojo Drama and are like "NEW THING TO HATE REEEEEEEE" cause the youtube comments on the stream today is only 1

[jolly sky]

It's funny how we can see the butterfly effect of a new sloptastic drama video on Youtube by the activity increase in the Twitch stream

Those people are so predicatable lmao

And most of them get outsmarted by a bot

[carmine sierra]

Where are you seeing that?

(I don't doubt it, I just don't know where to look for those stats)

[jolly sky]

Oh its just visual at this point

[carmine sierra]

Ah gotcha

[jolly sky]

Suddenly a bunch of new people arriving to have a new thing to throw into the chat

Just like this one

And its not even new

Will you graduate kindergarten before GTA6 comes out? Doubt it

[winged knoll]

Hey.

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-ace-ventura-take-care-slammed-the-door-bye-gif-8571412

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-boop-gif-22290017

[winged knoll]

But let’s get real dude, the hate is so forced.

[jolly sky]

People desperate for a dopamine hit

[distant rapids]

Yeah the bullying is lame as hell. Unintelligent, uninspired. I was more emotionally connected to an ai generated image of a cat

[hasty grail]

Heartbound requires a lot of writing by a single person
GTA6 is a AAAA game with hundreds of devs working on it

[winged knoll]

If you don’t like him just ignore his content

[jolly sky]

Oh boy here we go lmao

[hasty grail]

and gone

who put in the ticket?

[earnest spire]

ok

[jolly sky]

Aaaaand there he goes

[winged knoll]

Oke thank mod

[hasty grail]

or was a mod watching?

[subtle gate]

https://youtu.be/-A5V770vlXQ?si=pQmy6RNrKvPAg4FX doing this at 11:59 PM right before Thor shares his wiki page probably got it lost in the confusion

[jolly sky]

Myself

[winged knoll]

I didn’t put anything this time

[hasty grail]

i swear, people need to come up with a better attack

[distant rapids]

Aw dang i actually wanted to refute that one. Put up them dukes because I'm going troll destroying

[winged knoll]

2319

[hasty grail]

its just rehashed slop at this point

[winged knoll]

Haha yeah

[hasty grail]

heartbound, ego, apology as his big points

[winged knoll]

Pretty sure it’s copy pasted

[hasty grail]

come on

give us something creative

[distant rapids]

Or... ooooo, can we have automated replies? Like we can type !ego and get good things thor has done that proves that he does not actually have an ego problem?

[winged knoll]

Something ego, something accountability, something about small pp

[jolly sky]

"But what about his aCcoUnTaBiLiTY!????"

[hasty grail]

opening up with GTA6 vs Hearbound was bold, i will give it that

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-messed-up-gif-9714963639675861025

[winged knoll]

He has done great accounting actually

Being able to pay his staffs on time

Unlike certain vsomething

[hasty grail]

Vslopjo

[jolly sky]

If the dude that was here had even watched Thor for a while as he claimed,(Doubt) he'd never be making such bold statements

[hasty grail]

or Vnojo

[distant rapids]

Like damn if thor has an ego problem, I'm an absolute monster. I respect people that stand their ground unless proven wrong, and I have seen Thor do both so. He has my respect. It's not rocket surgery

[red halo]

Idk. I think his Accounting is done by his Accounting dude, they should ask him

[hasty grail]

looks at the chaos of bug fixing today....

there were a few "i dont know" moments

[distant rapids]

Also, friendly reminder that the wiki still needs help from people who know what they are doing (i am not one of those people, though i am trying to learn)

[subtle gate]

https://youtu.be/ds611dv1nlQ?si=bTRSE8gCF9cxUD7D the only trolling I love

[winged knoll]

[jolly sky]

If Thor had "such an Ego" then he wouldn't have accepted any bug fixing suggestions by chat today

[carmine sierra]

Damn, did I miss the fireworks?

[red halo]

Also in other news chat. I have been consumed, I partially blame thor because he mentioned it again during stream once. I have been playing honse game

[jolly sky]

Just a 2319 Dingus alert

[carmine sierra]

Rip

[jolly sky]

Nothing new, soggy and paper thin

[distant rapids]

One of us 🐴 One of us 🐴 One of us 🐴

[jolly sky]

Easy to see when you aren't just watching out of context clips

Made by Youtube slop drama farmers looking for a quick $$$

[distant rapids]

You call yourself daddy on steam, opinion ignored

[carmine sierra]

It's almost like you can string together whatever narrative you want when someone is on camera for 50-60 hours a week

[distant rapids]

... you're right, that's even worse

[carmine sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-sesame-street-write-gif-4298020

[jolly sky]

You're getting farmed for "outrage"

Have fun

[carmine sierra]

Trolling used to take effort

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-l-don't-care-didn't-ask-stay-mad-gif-1713657854833113217

[distant rapids]

"Catle"

[winged knoll]

“Catle”

[jolly sky]

https://c.tenor.com/1tRZgqwQSMkAAAAd/tenor.gif

[red halo]

I have been playing for 3 days, I can say the entire design of the game is the most peak of all gacha games. Since most gacha games has one thing they need to retain players. It's to make them care, and lemme tell ya. Taking care of an Uma makes you hella care when she's at the final spurt of the race barely reaching 1st

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-cat-cat-knife-cat-knife-cat-angry-gif-9404759922388476738

Boop

[hasty grail]

and.... also gone

[winged knoll]

Le gone

[hasty grail]

wow

2 in 10min

[winged knoll]

Catto protect

[carmine sierra]

Pff

[hasty grail]

lets see if they come back with an alt

[late bane]

idea:
have a channel for arguing where an AI chatbot is just constantly refuting claims in semi productive arguments

[outer gust]

None shall escape my gaze

[hasty grail]

thanks Felix

[red halo]

Either same accounts or 2 friends but eh

[outer gust]

No

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-cat-cat-knife-cat-knife-cat-angry-gif-9404759922388476738

[gloomy forge]

good guy modge

[late bane]

reasonable

[carmine sierra]

[winged knoll]

Gaze on our savior, protective cat

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-breadroll-porkroll-gif-24156801

[winged knoll]

Maybe

[distant rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pringles-kitty-car-cute-gif-1975586427176653907

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

[distant rapids]

Felix: gif above because discord just present it

[winged knoll]

My mentor used to say “never say no to challenge”

[carmine sierra]

Part of me still wants an FAQ of sorts that we can just point people to if they want info about drama
If they actually care, they'll go look
If they're just a troll, it'll be clear in a moment

[winged knoll]

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-battle-metal-gear-solid3-mgs3-crab-battle-mgs3-gif-20456864

[gloomy forge]

yeah exactly.

[winged knoll]

So i won’t say no to Thor’s hater because they are mentally challenged

[late bane]

POV: ppl are using azure VMs to scrape your wordpress blog for exploits so your gonna bann the entire azure ASN

[winged knoll]

[distant rapids]

What

[placid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-brainlet-microwave-smoke-dumb-gif-3026155548321433372

[outer gust]

uncalled for

let's move on

[gloomy forge]

Just wanted to say hi hope everyone is doing well.

[late bane]

ppl be uzing azure for anything

[carmine sierra]

[distant rapids]

... i AM really sad my message didnt get through though

[late bane]

getting nearly 10K requests blocked by cloudflare originating from azure

[winged knoll]

Hello mr icecream

[distant rapids]

Huh. Wack.

[gloomy forge]

Yes, yes, say that more, let the public forget that I take showers with my socks on.

[brazen drift]

Squinting

[gloomy forge]

true and real.

[brazen drift]

Can anyone tell me why despite not having clicked on any discord links i apparently have ransomeware attached to discord

[wicked schooner]

Ok i gotta ask why is he mr ice cream?

[late bane]

how to pronounce azure

[brazen drift]

nani

[late bane]

scam probably?

[distant rapids]

Take a look at genchat

[brazen drift]

I havent clicked on anything!

[distant rapids]

They're explaining what happened

[brazen drift]

i mean i guess the last thing i clicked on from here was thors wiki page

that thor himself linked.

[winged knoll]

Uh oh

[distant rapids]

... serenelily did you see my messages

[winged knoll]

Should be fine tho

[late bane]

im semi new what is genchat

[lapis tartan]

general chat.

[winged knoll]

When we were in the dome he left to get some ice cream

[distant rapids]

And then scroll slightly down

[winged knoll]

#general_chat

[brazen drift]

oh

[wicked schooner]

Ah got it

[distant rapids]

Basically, a discord cache triggered the warning because of that message. Which is. Uh. Actually very worrying because... having caches trigger things like that is bad

From both directions.

[winged knoll]

Use Malwarebytes to scan your device

Also turn on window defenders

[brisk sparrow]

clear your discord cache if you did get a notif

[winged knoll]

Should cover 99% cases

[brisk sparrow]

from felix

[brazen drift]

my windows defender is always on

so im not worried about that. i will do the malwarebytes thing tho

[hasty grail]

should i worry if i never open general chat?

[brisk sparrow]

if you werent in it when it got sent you should be fine

[hasty grail]

cool

https://tenor.com/view/national-spaghetti-day-national-spaghetti-day-hungry-gif-7317183

[winged knoll]

I think Thor should answer the elephant in the room, he ||never wore colored shirt||

Such a crime ||to fashion||

[earnest spire]

he has no drip

[distant rapids]

... i would accept it if he wore colourful socks

[golden mirage]

How is he supposed to wear socks when he has no legs?

[opaque raven]

He got 6 legs actually

Since he is 3 kobolds in a trench coat

[subtle gate]

well I guess we're having spaghetti later tonight but they're supposed to be those other "fancier noodles"

[winged knoll]

That should be illegal in some states

[hasty grail]

thats what im having

thus the gif

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[real cradle]

What I really wish is that the drama could calm down so Thor could give a rational answer to everything that's been brought up without having to worry about inciting the hate crowd. Not to appease their interests, but to give his side of things to curious onlookers that genuinely don't know what's true and what's not.

Alas, we live in the age where profitability is considered more important than morality and it's more profitable to dissect a man's life out of hate than to try to understand him out of concern.

[subtle gate]

my people are semi inteligent idiots

[hazy storm]

oh god not again

[subtle gate]

I used to play this game but never leaked anything nor saw anything leaked https://youtu.be/lY6UbxJIsFw?si=EnS7MHI3h-Rb0Uic

[hazy storm]

what did they leak this time

don't the leaks normally happen in the forums

[subtle gate]

don't know all I know is it's the only time I hear my people go nuts

back in 2014

god 11 years ago

[tranquil jewel]

I feel like these are the kinds of leaks you really dont want to know, heh

[hazy storm]

Eh. it's usually just maintenance/user manuals for various vehicles that have no business being distributed

[tranquil jewel]

like i'd rather watch leaks about the upcoming horses being released in the gatcha, military leaks are scary stuff

[real cradle]

oh warthunder news, I immediately know it's one of 3 things: Someone's leaked documents, the devs tried fixing the game and made it worse, or someone discovered a silly new bug.

[subtle gate]

it's a meme to me because it's so dumb but a smart bunch

[tranquil jewel]

i suppose that makes sense given the context of the game, when i think about it

[real cradle]

Hats off to the guy that trolled the forum mods by declaring his intent to leak documents...and then released the operation manual for a completely declassified aircraft.

[hazy storm]

lol

[waxen comet]

ok but unless youre talking about JP leaks, global leaks is just looking at the JP server and translating it to english

[subtle gate]

I stopped playing long before the leaks started happening

[distant rapids]

(I realized i put this in the wrong chat)

[subtle gate]

lift!

[outer cobalt]

Looking forward to thor streaming warframe

[teal zodiac]

HELL YEAH!!! gj gj gj

[subtle gate]

https://warthunder.com/en/community/userinfo/?nick=jesusmarine no one cares but War Thunder was the first place where I used the name Jesusmarine

they have isreal now? 🤮

I knew they were stretching for China, France, and Italy they Sweden came along and I was like

[forest glacier]

we're still talking about War Thunder right?........

[subtle gate]

yea

[stone nacelle]

Isreal means we should have an Isfake somewhere

[subtle gate]

they keep inventing new reasons to persist the microtransactions

[ocean agate]

scary that i needed to read up a few messages....not gonna lie

[forest glacier]

I included the sanity check for a reason

[subtle gate]

of course I quit coming back because boats started being a thing

[ocean agate]

always interesting when a conversation goes on for a bit and looses context somewhere along the way

[subtle gate]

yea that's my bad

[winter sierra]

[subtle gate]

quite proud of the pfp cause I always felt like I wasn't quite on the level with everyone else

[subtle gate]

look it's a ww2 sim why do we have Sweden and Israel

[winter sierra]

true

what is sweden doing on there lmao

[subtle gate]

exactly

even China and France had a role so it makes sense

[swift star]

Mouse joined Adepta Sororitas, she's now Sister Mouse.

[hazy storm]

Order of the Iron Mouse

[golden latch]

!peeled

[dapper raven]

Always peel your hotdogs. NODDERS https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingCoweringOwlTwitchRPG

[golden latch]

!hotdog

[dapper raven]

Watch at your own peril! https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousFineOctopusSeemsGood

[earnest cove]

Its quieter here its better

[hazy storm]

whats up @earnest cove

[earnest cove]

I'm at a point where im physically sick, and I've not released a new chapter for 2 months

It's pain

Went through multiple interactions

I wrote even on a plane

[hazy storm]

is there an external deadline you're trying to meet

or is this for yourself

[earnest cove]

But... I discovered i was automatically put into hiatus because i didn't post fast enough on royal road

Technically myself but I'm extremely burnt out on this scene to the point o don't remember what im supposed to do next scenes

[hazy storm]

i'm sorry i'm going to need a bit more context

what's royal road

[earnest cove]

Hosts for writing

Think like ao3 but mostly originals

[hazy storm]

ok. the hiatus isn't permanent right? waht are the consequences if you wait until you're better

because honestly that would be my advice for you right now

take care of yourself and rest

[earnest cove]

Hiatus is not permanent but it's clear they want regular posting

[hazy storm]

can you appeal your situation and explain that you're sikc

[earnest cove]

And any art i get, basically nothing on social media unless i pay for it

Because same reason i can't post art every day because full dedication going into writing

[hazy storm]

it's kind of a spiraling debt then isnt it

[earnest cove]

I've been writing this one chapter for two months

[hazy storm]

what about the chapter are you stuck on

[earnest cove]

I'm it's....

Tring

It's too long

And it drags so it's been rewritten many yimes already but i can't release it without an editor combing it

[hazy storm]

i can take a look if you're willing

[subtle gate]

what's the book called?

[earnest cove]

Last post is 26 may....

[hazy storm]

maybe i can make a few suggestions

send me a link

[earnest cove]

My husband sometimes comes back tooo tired to help edit

To royal road or so3

[hazy storm]

i don't have an account for either. what would be the most convenient to get to

[earnest cove]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/5296460

[hazy storm]

ok that works lol

[earnest cove]

No point if i edit because he'd edit perceptions go beyond mine

[hazy storm]

is what's on here your current draft or is it on your machine

[earnest cove]

?????

Links are all finished published chapters

[subtle gate]

that's just chapter 1

[earnest cove]

I ha e chapters hitting 9k

Any suggestion must be able to fit my husband's day job

[subtle gate]

we can't really see chapters that are in review I would think

[hazy storm]

no i mean which chapter is the one you're stuck on? so i can help figure out how to fix it

[hazy storm]

yeah that's what i wanted to see

[earnest cove]

My Googles docs?

[hazy storm]

are you willing to let me have view access?

view/comment

i'm still working right now, but i can read what you've published tomorrow and then dive into the Google Doc chapter

[earnest cove]

I'm not sure if i can help if no context

Usually it's mt husnanddo who fixes

[hazy storm]

yeah, no promises either. im not a professional editor just another fan writer like you

but who knows maybe we'll knock something loose

and your flow will begin again

[earnest cove]

Art is even worse

I think only a handful of peole see it

[toxic rampart]

CHAT
Proton literally bringing the dead back to life and I'm so happy.
We're talking Rogue Warrior. An insane POS from Bethesda that last I tried to run on Windows caused a literal BSOD.

I had the idea to just... run it in proton because of how it translates things and it... just worked. NO questions.
For better or worse that trash fire is back in my life lmao

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[hazy storm]

Unfortunately i'm not an artist and am not a good source of feedback beyond 'looks cool'

but i'll definitely do my best to help you unclog your writing process

[fierce bison]

man I really can't be arsed to go to work

not feeling it at all 😦

[waxen comet]

same cant be arsed to finish my thesis

theres just

too many concepts

and its difficult to fully grasp

theres CTC, VBS, token passing

[fierce bison]

and I have too many bugs to fix, my company is close to releasing the game, this is like the worst part of a product's life cycle, just bug fixing, no new interesting code to write, just fixing bugs, they're not even my bugs they're other peoples'.

been only fixing bugs for the past 5 months, the burnout is real

[waxen comet]

ya gotta do it

nothing around it

[fierce bison]

i called in sick

lol

[worthy ivy]

but you are sick....
..... sick o'fixin' bugs!

[terse pelican]

Playing Rimworld, These showed up in my Colony. Guess I'll have to start a Ferret Rescue now

[winter sierra]

yessss

bbfs so cute

[fierce bison]

damn right i am

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d_DQOwNZOIA

[waxen comet]

player testing: drops a fully solid brick
spiff: slams a brick at mach 1

[wicked schooner]

Josh from Lets Game It Out: The final bosses of game testing

[terse pelican]

Spiff and Josh both have tons of people that help them find bugs/Exploits

[frosty socket]

...i now wanna start a run in Rimworld with that in the plans from the beginning... Including the whole "commit as few warcrimes as physically possible" that would be implied

[terse pelican]

Do it

[frosty socket]

I mean, I usually do my runs with the "minimize war crimes by my colonists" as a rule, anyways, so that'll be the easy part, lol

it'll be setting up the damn Rescue/Sanctuary that will b the hard part

Just like IRL, lol

[terse pelican]

While the Animal AI is quite simplistic so they're 'easier' to take care of at least

[frosty socket]

I'll probably end up making a proper hotel/hospital for humans, too, later on

Make it a proper challenge

[terse pelican]

Makes sense

[worthy ivy]

would training up a posse of vicious attack-ferrets count as a warcrime?

[frosty socket]

No, but I prefer not having my animals doing the fighting, unless they're bears, large dogs, or other large predators... Or Thrumbos

[worthy ivy]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1541438907 give 'em some armour you're good to go methinks? fast, vicious and heavy armour... be a force to be reckoned with 🙂

[frosty socket]

Y'know, critters that can take a hit in combat

Oooooh

[terse pelican]

Alpha Animals add a few... Combat Focused Pets

[worthy ivy]

defense-ferret only challenge

[frosty socket]

So does VE Animals

[terse pelican]

yup

the BFF's happen to be VAE.Endangered

[frosty socket]

Oh, right, forgor about that, I play using VE so much that I forget what's actually vanilla and what's modded, lol

Like me and NSC in Stellaris

[terse pelican]

Vanilla Rimworld feels... Empty

[frosty socket]

T does

Am happy that the new DLC adds in new biomes... I just wish I could afford said DLC

cries in no job outside gaming/streaming

[terse pelican]

Yeah...

[frosty socket]

Can't do physical labor jobs, or fast food... Or retail

[terse pelican]

I miss using the ReGrowth Mod though, but it's not been updated

[frosty socket]

I have...issues just staying standing more than a few minutes at a time

[frosty socket]

Dude SAME

[terse pelican]

How come you're struggling standing up for prolonged periods?

if you want to say

[blissful imp]

Whoa. Did ironmouse actually break Vedals/Neuros hype train record? just saw a clip.

[frosty socket]

Just physical issues with my feet, they get more than a little swollen (think size of a softball) and hurts like hell just to wear shoes

[frosty socket]

No, she broke her personal record, only

[terse pelican]

If she did, That's amazing

[frosty socket]

Afaik

[muted robin]

i love how in this clip thor's pitch of voice is halfway between his old timbre and his new one. and his voice randomly breaks a few notes downwards every now and then. truly second puberty moment

[boreal flower]

omg he sounded adorable x3 little brother energy right there

[opal bronze]

does anyone know why this has so many views i didnt watch the blue prince stuff

[earnest spire]

they just think he cheated and cliped

[frosty socket]

because heaven forbid someone be so damn good at puzzles they solve them before a majority of community

or before the solutions are available

[knotty marsh]

There was probably something in chat used as a "smoking gun"

[frosty socket]

or a movement of his head

[worthy ivy]

wait - is that a 5 second clip?

[frosty socket]

yeah, was a drama person clipping, from what i can tell

[worthy ivy]

I know attention spans are shrinking, but...

[earnest spire]

chat was basically spamming multiple answers

[polar trail]

He may have cut himself I think

The clip

[frosty socket]

nope

[polar trail]

Which I think is a bad idea if that's the case cause it feeds the appearance of impropriety

[frosty socket]

oh, you mean literally cut himself

[worthy ivy]

5 seconds?

[polar trail]

What

[worthy ivy]

I'm gone mad? the world is mad?
pick one 🙂

[polar trail]

I mean that someone clipped it and then he edited the clip, does the streamer not have some control over the clips on his channel?

By edited I mean cut

Shortened

[astral crypt]

No

We can delete

[frosty socket]

nope, that was the length the person clipped it, the streamer can only controll it being in existence

[astral crypt]

but once a clip is made, it's set

ya what @frosty socket said

I've often thought that was odd

I do clips for a lot of streamers and I try to make them just right

They can download and edit them and put them up somewhere. But Twitch doesn't allow native edits once it's clipped.

[frosty socket]

they forget that once the vod is gone, they can't use the clip as a timestamp

[opal bronze]

oh ok

[crimson tangle]

Are you saying that the streamer can't edit clips down? because I don't think that's right

these 3 5s clips all use to be longer

[frosty socket]

the Streamer cannot, doesn't have the tools, the original clipp can shorten the clip, but that's it

[astral crypt]

HA

there it is

idk why they'd be adjusted though

I dunno when they added that lol

I've been here for 5 years

[frosty socket]

still, the only person who can shorten a clip is the og clipper of it

[proud coral]

mag face reveal

[astral crypt]

I clipped that so ya

[crimson tangle]

i don't think that's true though tbh

[astral crypt]

This was clipped by someone else and the same menu is there

[frosty socket]

hmm...

[astral crypt]

I legit have no idea when these tools were added. I've been clipping and streaming for nearly 5 years

[frosty socket]

that's new

[astral crypt]

Ya I figured I'd check and verify