streamchat

[late bane]

Having a company say what you can and can't buy is such a grey area

[distant rapids]

Yup. I honestly hope them success.

[earnest cove]

Oh boy let me tell you how I had to completely change banks because I wanted to buy guild wars 2 but they banned all gaming as 'gambling'

i went through all the trouble to get their card and then discovered I couldn't use it at all 🙃

[vivid maple]

ill give feminists equal rights

as well as equal lefts

[distant rapids]

And i totally understand wanting to Protect The Children. But at some point, you're asking people for their personal information to verify, which becomes a security risk, and of course some vendors want that info for money, and... maybe parents just need to bloody control their children themselves.

[vivid maple]

and equal uppercuts

and equal hooks

[distant rapids]

Put up them dukes, then, im a feminist that believes women should also be drafted

[nova bough]

kids will just lie anyways. we see it all the time, cause most internet stuff is 13+

[idle hill]

Asking parents to take care of their children

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[earnest cove]

It's the kind of demand that's like, demanding every shop that sell alcohol to vacate a township because it's dangerous for children

[subtle gate]

prohibition... but world wide?

[earnest cove]

yeah

[distant rapids]

Some people: i dunt want the governemnt to take mah child rights!
Others: okay then, parent your children
Some people: buh ThInK oF tHe ChIlDRen

[subtle gate]

=black markets everywhere

Cartels love selling games now

[late bane]

I've been 18+ since 5th grade

No box will stop meee

[nova bough]

[distant rapids]

But ill leave it at that because i am toeing the line of political throws the soapbox out of the window

[earnest cove]

Japan gov getting involved did turn tihngs into politicskirting indeed so yeah we should change course

[late bane]

Are soap boxes even a thing anymore

Are we dating ourselves Bank teller style XD

[distant rapids]

I just took apart a corner desk and had to rebuild it in the other room because its approx 100 lbs desk and too wide for the doorframes. That was a job and a half! But now i have a great desk in my room and can move around furniture elsewhere.

... i do t know why my brain thought 100 foot

[idle hill]

100 foot desk, for the most experienced gamer

one with, god forbid, hobbies

[nova bough]

speaking of revamping rooms. im going to turn my guest bedroom into a full on hobby room

[distant rapids]

You know those desk mouse pads? L O N G deskpad

[nova bough]

have to pull out the queen mattress/frame for that room tho

[distant rapids]

Oh hell yeah, hobby rooms are the best

[nova bough]

its been a guest bedroom like 5 or 6 times in the last 6 years

[late bane]

I want a full rc train going around the room some day

[distant rapids]

What kind of hobby room?

[late bane]

Because im apparently still mentally 4

[distant rapids]

Nah rc trains are cool af.

Its a lovely combination of civil and mechanical engineering

[nova bough]

it has art stuff. the closet is full of camping stuff. thinking of growing food mushrooms in there, too

[distant rapids]

Human resources room,then. Creativity, food, shelter

But thats awesome. Have you grown any mush boxes before?

[nova bough]

none

gonna get a small one to see if i like it before commiting

also if that room is open, ill have to police my plants in that room

i have 2 young cats

they put their little noses and paws into everything

[subtle gate]

[distant rapids]

Awww cattos. Yeah youll have to make sure its cat proof, a venture in impossibility but before you get a mushroom box, i would try to going to like, an expensive grocery and figure out what .ushroom type you like the most, if you dont already know that

[nova bough]

i know i love shittake

i want to try lions mane tho

[earnest cove]

I love mushroooomsssss

[distant rapids]

Lions mane is tasty. Its best fried imo

[earnest cove]

however i do have a least favourite mushroom which is the grey oyster. Something about the taste and texture didn't sit so well with me

lion's manes are great. I personally like them braised in a clay pot

[distant rapids]

I havent tried the oyster, i finally found a store near me that occasionally rotates in mushrooms and i wanna try em now

I garlic butter my lionsmane. Yummers

[earnest cove]

shitake for me is the taste of childhood

once upon a time dried shitakes were the only available mushroom

button mushrooms only come in a can

[distant rapids]

Oh nooo canned mushrooms are eeevil. I nwver liked them

[earnest cove]

nowadays fresh mushrooms of so many variesties exist

That too is the taste of childhood for me hahaha

there were even canned 'straw mushrooms' from china that were only available for the chinese new year at one point. now it's all year round

[distant rapids]

Lol to each their own! I also like sardines because my mom fed them to me as a kiddo

[nova bough]

if im feeling cheap sardines are pretty good

[earnest cove]

btw getting some pics of straw mushrooms

[distant rapids]

And i love liverwurst but i cant find the smoked german variant anywhere anymore :<

[nova bough]

or mackerel

[earnest cove]

they're harvested while immature

[distant rapids]

Ohhh thats so weird looking. Looka tasty tho

[earnest cove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvariella_volvacea

they're so different from any of the usual mushrooms

if left to mature, they become this

[distant rapids]

Ill have to put that on my list of foods to try

[nova bough]

huh. never heard of them

[late bane]

I get lightheaded from mushrooms, even the smell when cooking makes me sick lol

[earnest cove]

Volvariella volvacea (also known as paddy straw mushroom or straw mushroom) is a species of edible mushroom cultivated throughout East and Southeast Asia and used extensively in Asian cuisine. They are often available fresh in regions they are cultivated, but elsewhere are more frequently found canned or dried. Worldwide, straw mushrooms are the third-most-consumed mushroom.

oh this explains why i only see it in my asian home

Straw mushrooms are grown on rice straw beds and are most commonly picked when immature (often labelled "unpeeled"), during their button or egg phase, and before the veil ruptures.

yep that explains why they look like eggs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8AYSDSeg-o

timelapse of them growing

i wonder if thor had seen this mushroom beofre

Limestone powder water added to it??????????

[distant rapids]

Theyre egg mushrooms omg

I gtg chat but have a good one peeps, thank you for talking to me about random shit

[earnest cove]

i gasped when i saw them burst out. finally the 'unpeeled' makes sense.

[brittle jacinth]

yeah just saw was expecting it but it still hurts to hear

[edgy oar]

To no one's surprise, Henya left

[vivid maple]

https://x.com/JezCorden/status/1947787958771454054

Jez (@JezCorden)

Brütal Legend is on sale on Xbox, and 80% off, features this legend.

X · Jul 22, 2025, 10:36 PM

[edgy oar]

Good

More people need to experience that gem of a game

[toxic rampart]

It's really great.
Direct inspiration for one of my DnD conversion settings.

[vivid maple]

https://x.com/tiltify/status/1947748458841899200 holy shit they did it

Tiltify (@tiltify)

$500k in less than 24 hours.

I’m so honored to witness this community coming together. You are heroes. 💙

X · Jul 22, 2025, 7:59 PM

[indigo wadi]

Never any doubt

[brittle jacinth]

we're a 630k right now

[vivid maple]

theres still the fact they are doing a fundraiser friday

[brittle jacinth]

and there's a donation match right now so it will go up FAST

[vivid maple]

you mean between doki and mint?

[brittle jacinth]

too but there was for a second a if it touch a 250 cap i think they added one more

it got to it fast

but yeah doki and mint fighting

[vivid maple]

i see jast put a donation in

[brittle jacinth]

hope they'll touch the 1m

[brittle jacinth]

did you saw connors tweet when it came out?

its something

[vivid maple]

i havent looked yet but i saw he did a video too

[brittle jacinth]

going to look for it

[brittle jacinth]

https://x.com/CDawgVA/status/1947453672478412974

Connor (@CDawgVA)

Well vshojo better get cycling and start raising some money. 🤡🤡

X · Jul 22, 2025, 12:28 AM

[vivid maple]

oh i just saw that one

[brittle jacinth]

its funny

[late bane]

Love Twitter, typed hit literal @ into search
Nothing

[exotic forge]

Woah that's a big community

[vivid maple]

just looked at the top donors and connor already donated 4 million+

[golden mirage]

Its amazing seeing people rally around Mouse and the charity. Half a million in less than 1 day is mind boggling.

[brittle jacinth]

its been 28 hours and its at 650k so... yeah it will get a lot higher

[vivid maple]

yeah its probably gonna break 1 million by this time tomorrow

[golden mirage]

It won't fix what vshojo did but hopefully it'll make Mouse feel better seeing that. She sounded so down in her video.

[brittle jacinth]

how would you react if you received the news that half a million has not been donated to a charity that you are close with

thats kind of a normal reaction

[exotic forge]

This may come out the wrong way but I'm more concerned with vshojo and the bad practices. I think IronMouse was going to come out fine regardless. She's massive and has megasupport no matter what she does

[vivid maple]

well someone named lonewolf just donated 16k

[golden mirage]

I wasn't implying it wasn't a normal reaction, just that she sounded down.

[nova bough]

well, there are lawyers involved in that, but that process is slow. its gonna be awhile.

[subtle gate]

someone else dealing with mobster tactics?

[golden mirage]

I'm not. Vshojo will get ground down in lawsuits over what happened and eventually everything will come to light if people are curious about the details years from now.

[brittle jacinth]

i just hope it ends well and charity and talents gets their due money

[nova bough]

depends on what happens. not sure what happens if this causes vshojo to go bankrupt.

[golden mirage]

So do I, but I fear they won't. They'll likely win the lawsuits but I doubt there will be money to pay them.

[nova bough]

yeah, im skeptical that everything will be paid out.

[brittle jacinth]

they will go bankrupt there's no talent left for them to make money

[exotic forge]

Lawyers will always get first crack at the money

[nova bough]

well yeah, going forward. but at this moment in time i think they're pretty close too since they owe most of their talent large sums of money

[exotic forge]

So where did all the money go to

[nova bough]

thats the question

[brittle jacinth]

some think in went in operationnal cost

but speculation

i like to think it went in promotional in japan with the billboard in a metro

[nova bough]

i mean they "misplaced" half a million dollars.

[late bane]

They will probably call bankruptcy

[brittle jacinth]

like that has been seen

https://x.com/HinaBoBinaVT/status/1947417701137453198

HinaBoBina 🤡🎉 ヒナ～ (@HinaBoBinaVT)

Remember when Vshojo plastered this all over the Tokyo Subway to brag about how well they treated their talents? lmao

X · Jul 21, 2025, 10:05 PM

[nova bough]

[late bane]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-didnt-age-quite-so-well-gif-25516811

[unreal coral]

But this is a positive about recent news

It's even higher now but it is the last screenshot I took

[brittle jacinth]

660k right now 658 to be exact

[unreal coral]

That's amazing, and did you see GamerSupps' comment?

[brittle jacinth]

yeah did you saw JAST one ?

[earnest cove]

the comments are public burn

[unreal coral]

OH YEAH! That was amazing!

[vivid maple]

ya vshoujo cant hide from the burns coming from the other companies

[earnest cove]

bike stolen joke hahaha

[unreal coral]

VTube Studio didn't comment though, I'm a little sad they didn't roast them but it's okay. I get it's about optics

[brittle jacinth]

and mint gave 1 cent more just to brag to doki before she gave 1.69 to be on top

[vivid maple]

whoever does the pr for jast has some savage takes

[brittle jacinth]

its totally worth for what they did

[unreal coral]

The comments are completely unhinged in the best way

[subtle gate]

wait the comments are good this time?

[unreal coral]

The dono comments are really funny some of them

[brittle jacinth]

they give punch to vshojo without shitting on them like "f*ck them"

[earnest cove]

the owner was gunrun right?

that gun better be running

[subtle gate]

that's good to hear

[unreal coral]

Yes and also the last VTuber confirmed their departure tonight

[brittle jacinth]

yeah we still waiting for response but we'll probably get nothing

[vivid maple]

https://x.com/ChaChayourvmom/status/1947731684964667535 jesus christ chacha

ChaCha ☕️💟 (@ChaChayourvmom)

My brain swapped Blizzard for Dairy Queen. I just realized that Blizzard is a game company. I was wondering why someone would brag about working for DQ this whole time.

X · Jul 22, 2025, 6:53 PM

[subtle gate]

one time where we feel good for hating eh?

[unreal coral]

Well, when a company is accused by every single employee of not paying them for months, yeah

[earnest cove]

that gun is really on the run

gunrun

[brittle jacinth]

SOrrry there are people shitting on the compagny. Donator name : F*** Vshojo

[unreal coral]

I'm noticing a trend on companies that start with 'VS' (VShred and VShojo)

[subtle gate]

like Amazon? 🤔 I've heard legends of how little they pay

[unreal coral]

There are worse things to be said about Amazon, but sure their pay is garbage too

[unreal coral]

It would be nice to see it double what they stole

[earnest cove]

It would be really cool

Everyone celebrating the 1 million mark

[brittle jacinth]

we'll probably see it. i think mousey is supposed to have a stream to donate more

[earnest cove]

This news reached the ears of people who're not even in the vtuber sphere by now, i think

[unreal coral]

Seeing it hit 1.3 Mill will be the perfect screenshot to send to gunrunner

[earnest cove]

why 1.3 specifically?

hahaha gunrunner

[brittle jacinth]

last time something that big happen was the selen situation<

[earnest cove]

appropriate name

[unreal coral]

That's exactly double what he stole

[earnest cove]

aha i see!

[earnest cove]

selen's situation was an absolute black company dumpster fire and we never thought we'd see a day some other company did worse

[brittle jacinth]

1.03M would be the double cuz it was 515k iirc

[unreal coral]

Oh yeah, you right

[brittle jacinth]

same i thought it was the last time i would see something that big for the next 5 years

[unreal coral]

In VTubing anything is possible it seems

Both good and bad

[brittle jacinth]

a random comment from a dono : "For those who come after!!!"

[earnest cove]

I think now in the western vtubing we're down to 2 companies

fishman's Phase Connect... and the Flork one which is more of a meme instead of a serious venture

[unreal coral]

I think the best part about the whole thing was having kson tell JP CEO that she quit to his face (over discord call on a livestream)

[earnest cove]

the Naplings have appeared in the donation box

[rose echo]

Good middle of the night, folks

[late bane]

shoutout to cloudflare for letting you block AI from your site instead of forcing it upon you

[rose echo]

Could anyone give me a summary of what all's been happening with this vshojo stuff? I'm completely out of the loop

[unreal coral]

Everyone quit

Every. Single. Talent. QUIT

[brittle jacinth]

tldr : vshojo owes money to liver (vtuber) + 515k to charity

[earnest cove]

Every single person quit. They weren't paid 1 year to 6 months

and the company commited charity fraud

[late bane]

aah so basicly charity and time fraud'

that checks

[unreal coral]

Their only affiliate is themself

[earnest cove]

to summarise:
Not paying employees, stealing donation money, AND taking advantage of a disabled person is diabolical levels of evil

[rose echo]

They haven't paid anyone for half to one year?

[earnest cove]

this company decided to become worse than amazon in a blink

[rose echo]

what/who's liver?

[earnest cove]

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

All of their livers

ALL

their staff, only 50%

[subtle gate]

the kind of evil they accuse Thor of being

[winged knoll]

holo-livers

:v

or streamers

[brittle jacinth]

a lot : michi mousey zen geega henya. maybe more that who i know

[unreal coral]

So, if we want to go even further with the technicalities because I love this for them. They scammed the one charity that made it possible in the first place for them to even scam the charity...

[winged knoll]

I think he think liver as in human's parts

[brittle jacinth]

oops

[rose echo]

I didn't know what to think, wasn't assuming that, but just didn't know what he did mean, cuz I'm unfamiliar with the term 😅

[winged knoll]

now you know

[brittle jacinth]

streamer if you prefer

[earnest cove]

what's a donation match?

[winged knoll]

Probably someone donating 10$ someone else gonna match another 10$

[unreal coral]

Basically whatever you donate for the next hour they double it

[earnest cove]

aaah

[brittle jacinth]

until 250$

[winged knoll]

[late bane]

sounds weird to me, just donate the 250 then, why wait?

[earnest cove]

match completed

[brittle jacinth]

it already has pass

[distant rapids]

If it was for one year, how in the world does this kind of thing not happen sooner? Like i cant imagine not being paid for one month without prior agreement or something. I would be yeet

[brittle jacinth]

its a multi people donation match

[brittle jacinth]

its hard to say

[late bane]

I spent everything on that b day hype train so god speed

[winged knoll]

It shows your name there so more people can see

[late bane]

iig japan is a weird place in terms of employement, employers over there are a whackamole of weird things.
imagine hanving to hand your boss a crisp hundo whenever your late

or was this not in japan

[earnest cove]

it's a Californian company

[late bane]

oh america

even worse

[unreal coral]

So, the problem is that like Mouse said in her video, things she is not legally allowed to talk about because she lawyered up(Smart Move). So that could mean that it has been slow-burning in the background for the last year and she couldn't say anything or she finally had enough evidence to go after them

[brittle jacinth]

for what i understood the news of the charity money was pretty new maybe a few weeks ago

[earnest cove]

Aah the legal things

[brittle jacinth]

and yes NDA and legal trouble

[earnest cove]

somehow, california actually gives them a better chance than japan

[late bane]

if i had a dollar for every "big" streamer scandal i would have a sizable amount of dollars

[late bane]

somehow yes

[unreal coral]

just from this year alone

[late bane]

crazy

[earnest cove]

if this was Japan it's almost certain lost cause

[brittle jacinth]

if i had one nickel for each i would have more than two nickel

[earnest cove]

because according to cali law, if a business is in california anyone employed by that californian can file.

[late bane]

if i had a nikkel and another nikkel i would have 2

[earnest cove]

Japanese? still can file, because the company is californian.

the reverse is no. Only japanese can file Japan court

[unreal coral]

On top of that they have laws specific to cali that allow them to terminate their NDA or something to that effect (I'm not a lawyer)

[late bane]

wouldhave been good if it could, 98% conviction rate

[brittle jacinth]

i think its only if the clause are too stupid

[earnest cove]

illegal clauses are not enforcable

[hasty grail]

Who is a fan of Star Trek Next Gen and Power Rangers?

[late bane]

if i had a dollar every time i had a dollar i would have a paradox

[unreal coral]

Power Rangers yes. Not a fan of Star Trek though

[late bane]

i see SO MANY websites just straigthup not following EU law because they are in US so they think they are invincable is insane

[late bane]

figma alone

[distant rapids]

Ahhh that's a fair point.

[late bane]

7 days 9 hours is NOT adequate notice for a ToS change brooo 😭

[brittle jacinth]

who change it?

[late bane]

figma

gave me that much notice for a ToS

being changed

[brittle jacinth]

change in a bad way?

[late bane]

what did they change?

they let themselves proccess all your data with AI

[unreal coral]

Gross

[distant rapids]

Ew

[brittle jacinth]

ew

[distant rapids]

Thats stinkier than chat

[late bane]

oh also by your account existing after those 7 days you automaticly agree to the new terms

[brittle jacinth]

they change like they have the right to use the data for training?

[late bane]

which doesnt hold up in german court funny enough

[late bane]

basicly

bro why is my wifi so shitty

[brittle jacinth]

why not?

[opaque raven]

Hmmmm

I got this email more thn a month ago

[distant rapids]

God i love dutch (i would like to formally apologize...). Onderwerp

[late bane]

dutch

💀

[opaque raven]

Oh, I'm not saying you are lying or anything, it's just weird that I got it a long time ago and you got yours only now

[distant rapids]

I have commited a great sin, i apologize

[late bane]

could be just a big mailing list ..?

[late bane]

its fine it gets mistaken often

[unreal coral]

fed the mods bread?

[distant rapids]

Yes to both

[opaque raven]

Wouldn't take 20+ days between us
So weird

[unreal coral]

I would think that if they weren't trying to hide it they would have sent it out to the EU first considering the law differences

[late bane]

in the netherlands there is quite a popular joke that dutch is just drunk german and that the belgian dutch dialect a disgrace to the dutch language :))

[late bane]

sent them a support ticket, which supposedly got opened but has recieved exactlt 0 replies

also my ticket broke the marodown parser on the site lmao

markdown

[unreal coral]

Their tickets are probably done with AI too

[late bane]

GPT doesnt take several workdays to generate

[opaque raven]

Figma's?

[late bane]

though could be

[opaque raven]

The triage is, the response isn't

[late bane]

instead of outsourcing support to india lets outsource it to openAI! - the figma board

[unreal coral]

Also, can someone explain to me something that as a fanfic reader and a writer who doesn't use it but understands the use of it. Why people are suddenly claiming that em dashes are guaranteed AI?

[spark temple]

because chatgpt is notorious for using them

[late bane]

because chatgpt uses them semi frequently in a lot of writing styles

[outer cobalt]

openai likes to use it, ALOT

[spark temple]

most people dont see em dashes a lot over text and in everyday use so when they see a random em dash they assume its AI

[outer cobalt]

it gels with the sentence structure it likes to use

[spark temple]

and because to type an em dash you need to use a unicode

most people dont know how

[unreal coral]

But to the point where people's theses are getting them kicked out of college?

[outer cobalt]

<sus sentence> -- <here's something explosive>

[late bane]

the AI chatbot is helping 🔥

[spark temple]

its not JUST the em dashes

[outer cobalt]

but the em dashes be like the alarm bells

[spark temple]

yeah exactly

and educators are tired of AI so they scrutinize anything that looks like AI

[late bane]

💀 nope it didnt help lmao

[outer cobalt]

the problem with AI is that usually you can skip student slop with the assumption that the student would make some obvious mistake

but AI slop is so well structured that the mistake is often quite subtle and very very wrong

same with reviewing AI code vs human code

[late bane]

IMHO ai is a tool to learn which is misused when told to generate all the responses for them, because AI has the very nice ability of non judgementaly explaining things

[spark temple]

i agree

but its like pandoras box

[late bane]

hey i should start a service for that

[spark temple]

im a student myself and it goes something like this

"oh, i just use chatgpt for studying!" -> "oh! i just use chatgpt for busywork!" -> "oh! i just use chatgpt for essay help!" -> "meh, i just chatgpt everything"

[late bane]

real

[unreal coral]

grok is this true?

[dusky grove]

This isn't accounting for educators who use ai to grade/check for ai. That can also go wrong, no?

[late bane]

chatgpt is the most used app on my phone tbh

[outer cobalt]

AI is definitely not capable of first principles analysis

[spark temple]

AI cant critically think

[spark temple]

have you seen grok v maga

thats my favorite tiktok account

[unreal coral]

YES!

[dusky grove]

Sometimes I wonder if kids these days can too.

[outer cobalt]

its very useful for mapping tasks
like if you have a task where its A->B, like Math olympiads, where its just question -> break down to patterns -> solve each pattern

[outer cobalt]

with sufficient training kek

[spark temple]

thats so sad omg

"oh! im sorry, you dont pay enough for us to care lol"

[late bane]

aparently free tier you dont get support

yeah

time to send postage

[opaque raven]

There was a funny thing on the Re:Zero novel community about it
The author have always used a lot of dashes since the very beginning and some people recently asked if he was using AI
The average response from any community member, including myself:
"Take a look, read 2 pages and you will see it's clearly not AI. It's so poorly written, so many grammar mistakes, zero commas, even the char names are wrong from time to time. So no, Nagatsuki is just a weird person that likes dashes, that's all"

[spark temple]

go crowdsource your issue with the other poor people i guess

[late bane]

"poor peasents meet in the basement" aah logic

whelp time to draft a letter

[outer cobalt]

re:zero lore is truly one of its kind of chuuni world building

[dusky grove]

We live in a capitalist dystopia where the noise is ai and the rich feed off consumer stupidity

[outer cobalt]

the sheer magnificence

[late bane]

at least cloudflare is helping you block AI scrapers

[unreal coral]

I seem to have started a war

[spark temple]

wish i lived in the EU

but like

nowhere in europe lol

[outer cobalt]

tbrh im not sure if thats a good thing

[unreal coral]

Since we're in Pandora's Box, might as well add to it. Is there actually "Ethical AI"

[late bane]

also their ToS changes like every 3-4 months, which is crazy if you ask me

[spark temple]

not ethically sourced

but ethically used sure

[late bane]

iig cloudflare is also experimenting with pay per crawl

[spark temple]

i think AI is actually really great i just dont trust people to use it properly

like with 3D printing

[late bane]

spacial reasoning tanks when gravity

[spark temple]

you either 3d print groundbreaking new technology and fast prototype stuff

or you 3d print those shitty dragons and sell them at farmer markets lol

[late bane]

or roctopus

[spark temple]

also roctopus

[late bane]

and benchies to obbsessively put on your desk]

[spark temple]

someone in my cousin's neighborhood got caught with 3 printers making glock switches

[spark temple]

i have two boxes full of benchies

[late bane]

aah wtf

[unreal coral]

I hate it...

[spark temple]

yeah and luigi used a 3d printed gun too

[late bane]

hey at least it isnt bombardini capuchina r whatever that is all abt

[dusky grove]

Ethical AI is... technically... possible. All training data transparent and paid for. All output used for good.

Its just not gonna happen cuz the ones making AI are the one's who'd fire people over a cent an hour cuz "AI does it for cheaper"

[late bane]

itse meuh marios less importante brothere

[brisk sparrow]

i mean neurosama is an example of that

[unreal coral]

I was debating mentioning it

[dusky grove]

True

[spark temple]

i doubt training data being transparent and paid for would be possible

[brisk sparrow]

but definetly the exception not the norm

[late bane]

recently judge in america rules that if you bougth a book you had the rigths to train an AI on it

[spark temple]

they would have to pay like a tenth of a cent per file

[dusky grove]

Ew

[unreal coral]

That's actually disgusting

[spark temple]

eugh

[dusky grove]

Thankfully my writing is awful anyway, if my stuff gets scaped it'll be a cyanide pill

[spark temple]

supreme court deciding on 'kill everyone v give everyone a cookie' (the decision was 51-49)

[unreal coral]

Sad but not unrealistic

[brisk sparrow]

probably best to move on from the direction this is going

[late bane]

when you buy a book you buy the whole book, including 1 copy of the books contents, which you can copy for personal use,
and AI is sufficiently transformative for fair use

[dusky grove]

Transformative... sure... yeah... sure

[spark temple]

apparently gpt3 took 45TB of unfilitered plaintext

[unreal coral]

But where does the line stop on training AI on it according to Fair Use /gen

[spark temple]

it got filtered to half a terabyte

[late bane]

idk

this is all new grounds

[spark temple]

i think for now we just have to let it stabilize

[late bane]

judges are having to deal with outdated IP frameworks wbich where not designed for AI

meaning president has to be set

[spark temple]

if it was up to me i'd probably have a scrape/do not scrape license

and then just have a government team focused on AI theft

[unreal coral]

But half the people are dead that the data is scraped on books

[dusky grove]

Whats that quote...

"I wanted AI to do my taxes so I can make art. Now AI is making art so I can do my taxes"

[late bane]

igg have a clickwrap license on your site demanding 10 bucks a scrape

[spark temple]

their IPs are still owned though

and if they're not its really a victimless crime

[unreal coral]

But is it ethical is my thought

[spark temple]

yeah id say so

i cant really see an argument for AI not scalping unowned art

theres no one to contest it or own it

[late bane]

training on public domain is iig more ethical because you are either dead, released it intentionaly or are a large corperation large enough to not be impacted

[dusky grove]

I get that with any new technology, some jobs will be obsolete.

But this whole thing with AI is gonna do that to whole swathes of creative industries. It feels... grosser for some reason. Maybe its cuz its one field (tech) reaching in and disrupting another (the arts)

[spark temple]

my issue with the "new technology will always kill jobs" is like

this is a whole different kind of new technology

we arent just making a machine that clicks a button or screws something in

this time we're making ourselves

[unreal coral]

Well, look at Duolingo and the slop some of their lessons have turned into just implementing AI for the first time

[spark temple]

and id rather the job we kill with this be the busywork that has to be done rather than the human work that makes us who we are

[late bane]

it feels grocer because the tech that used to replace old jobs was dumb tech, basicly repeat things/do maths machines,
but AI has the uncanny ability of both being able to put artists out of a job while still needing artists to exist

[dusky grove]

Agreed

[late bane]

also if companys use AI to make products, good luck copyrigthing it

[spark temple]

personally i just find AI to be slop

AI art is ugly

AI writing is always contrived and very cliche

[late bane]

yeah beause its averaging reponses

[unreal coral]

AI art is gross for sure, I have used it just to see if it was possible and it always looked like hot garbage

[late bane]

so the average is not very good

[tight bramble]

Hey if AI can do my grocery shopping im down lol

[spark temple]

have you guys seen the AI reddit stories on tiktok

[late bane]

dont need AI for that, it just doesnt really make sense to do it

[spark temple]

my little cousin was watching them on youtube shorts and it was literally the same military story just rewritting with a barely different plot

[unreal coral]

Depends on your definition of AI in that sense though

[spark temple]

which means somewhere someone is using AI to write propoganda pieces for the US military

[late bane]

best video on YT shorts

[tight bramble]

I know. I was playing off of you typing the word grocer instead of grosser.

[dusky grove]

Someone has t seen roll for sandwich

[late bane]

english is not very good because its 4AM for me and because dutch is my native language

[spark temple]

roll for sandwich is my goat

[jolly sky]

I personally think "AI" becoming easily accessible to the public is one of the biggest mistakes we've made in recent times. It should only have stayed in the use of the Medical and Scientific areas, where it is always looked over by experts and only trained on very specific things

[spark temple]

do you know benjamin the baker though

[tight bramble]

Its all good! 😀

[spark temple]

i disagree

[dusky grove]

Yes

[spark temple]

id rather this be open source

[spark temple]

im gonna get his book

it looks so good

[late bane]

like how AI was used to find certain cancers, however making AI cheaper also shows a move of more efficiient AI, so more users = more efficient ai by incentive

[tight bramble]

Wut dat?

[dusky grove]

I love the way his book is formatted, it makes making substitutions easy and intuitive

[jolly sky]

The only way I could ever see AI being "ethical" is if all of them deleted their entire repository of scraped everything, and started all over again making it only an Opt-In option for any training.

Anything other than that is inexcusable to my eyes.

[earnest cove]

donation drive to the organization that got scammed out of their money.

er, Charity

[spark temple]

i mean

[earnest cove]

https://tiltify.com/@ironmouse/ironmouse

this charity

[tight bramble]

Ah 👍

[late bane]

like how i cougth perplexity scraping my site without ever asking me, luckly it got blocked by cloudflare

[earnest cove]

the tldr is that a company promised to donate 500k to that organization and was found out they took the money and ran away, while not paying their workers for 1 tyear to 6 months. the outrage was immense.

[late bane]

as it should be(the outrage)

[tight bramble]

Yeah thats shitty

[dusky grove]

Who's still with vshojo. I know like 8 of em quit but idk which ones

[late bane]

i think if you train AI on copyrigthed content it cannot be for profit and you must publish it

[brittle jacinth]

who did not officialy quit : NOVA group + haruka and froot

[dusky grove]

Nova?

[jolly sky]

I don't think the Art scammers give a crap about copyrighted content

[brittle jacinth]

4 jp streamer from jp branch

[jolly sky]

And now its just easier to generate it and sell it, and is just an even easier avenue to be a scumbag

[late bane]

dont think they do, until you bill them for their scrapes via your clickwrap agreemen't

[dusky grove]

Ahh the jp side. Explains why i hadnt heard of em

[unreal coral]

Haruka quit

[earnest cove]

other than those, everyone left

oh now we have more

[brittle jacinth]

haruka has announced?

[earnest cove]

At this rate, everyone will quit.

[brittle jacinth]

oh ok

[late bane]

just make a clickwrap "by using our site you agree to be charged 10 dollars for every site scraped by autonomous methods"

[unreal coral]

https://x.com/haruka_karibu/status/1947828461575565738

Haruka Karibu 🍀 (@haruka_karibu)

I've left Vshojo. It was in the works for a little bit, but it has escalated due to the recent news. I'm officially indie as of today. When I've processed everything, I'll express my feelings better.

Please give all my friends support and love.

X · Jul 23, 2025, 1:17 AM

[brittle jacinth]

just saw the tweet

so froot and nova is left

[late bane]

and then charge them a bill if AI manages to recite the words in your site

[unreal coral]

Well, nobody has an affiliate badge anymore

[jolly sky]

Sadly there's already enough scraped art out there where they don't need to bother with scraping anymore, and its even worse with large companies. I remember last christmas seeing Image Generated Advent calenders

Absolutely obscene

[brittle jacinth]

yeah they are probably are in the process of quiting

[late bane]

the words in a dictionary, if i make a new book, am i just making a derivitive work of the dictionary?

[late bane]

they will have to get new data at some point

including video n stuff

[dusky grove]

It is some cruel irony that it was Vshojo, who everyone joked is the retirement home for disgruntled ex-nijis, who disgruntled their employees

[unreal coral]

And did them dirtier than niji

[indigo wadi]

guys

gals

non-binary pals

I am a fan of horsegirls

[late bane]

also, because AI is able to generate watermarked immages, then it must be trained on images that had watermarks, thus high chance of copyrigth infringement

[dusky grove]

"You were the chosen one. You were meant to destroy the sith not join them"

Same vibe

[late bane]

openAI has started using some unknown stenography to encode that the image is AI in images FYY

[late bane]

its just not public which stenography method they are using

[brittle jacinth]

in 5 hours i'll be able to step back from all the current drama

i need it

[indigo wadi]

https://howlonghowmany.com/how-long-until-3-am

[late bane]

if you need rest or a break, take it dont wait

[late bane]

4:30AM for me lol

[indigo wadi]

adjust for your time

[brittle jacinth]

why do you have a countdown just for this?

[late bane]

22 hours for me

[brittle jacinth]

sleeping + work?

[indigo wadi]

cause i do

[late bane]

sleep + day off

[brittle jacinth]

ok

why not

[indigo wadi]

I'm just an excited lad

[unreal coral]

Okay, so with the AI thing, we agree that Neuro and Evil are ethical or???

[earnest cove]

that one is ethical because Vedal inputted it locally i believe

[unreal coral]

Twitch Chat

[earnest cove]

he programmed her from scratch more or less

[late bane]

i have a dilema i will pose: is it ethical to use unethical data for the purposes of saving lives?

[dusky grove]

But it was made public that chat is the data. By chatting its implied opt in

[unreal coral]

Depends, are you selling it or is it open source?

[earnest cove]

Well.................. you don't want to know the field of medicine then

[late bane]

say free but not FOSS

[earnest cove]

after world war 2 quite a number of new medicines were developed, and not all sources are ethical

[unreal coral]

potentially, but how do the people know you aren't turning around and scraping their data in exchange if they can't see the source code?

[unreal coral]

most were unethical during WW2 for sure

[late bane]

i dont know how you would, AI is new and its a pandora's box

[unreal coral]

Yeah, so I would say that it's ethical because you can choose to opt out at any time with the knowledge that some words you typed were scraped and nothing else

[earnest cove]

Yet, the field of medicine still advances, and we stand on the shoulders of the past.

AI might be seen the same way 80 years later

[unreal coral]

Unethical and necessary can co-exist but what they did was definitely not ethical

necessary in terms of we don't know what we don't know

[late bane]

if anyone would like a tale of mental gymnastics i would reccoment watching :the pantheon: available on netflix(s2 sadly no longer)

the pantheon goes deel into the mental gymnastics of AI n stuff

also unrelated: nice europe road trip planned on google maps

[unreal coral]

I'm impressed

[late bane]

just type :cityname:, america and select the first second autocomplete

theres even a moscow in idaho

that must be where the KGB spies from

[unreal coral]

You could technically extend the trip even further if you wanted and make it somewhere like Berlin New Hampshire (I'm not doxxing myself don't worry)

[unreal coral]

That way you can add like 20 or so hours

[late bane]

does that do it?

[winged knoll]

bakushin bakushin bakushin

[unreal coral]

New Hampshire, I should know better than to abbreviate

But honestly I'm pretty sure there's a Berlin in most US States

[oblique wharf]

Greetings, it is I. Decided to join the DC bcus of how people reacted to my first messages in chat this morning.

[distant rapids]

It's not valid until you got to Weed, California

[late bane]

i forgot my keys in the mcdonalds we need to go back

[winged knoll]

hello

is Test Lord short for Testicle

[distant rapids]

... beware, we be goblins.

[oblique wharf]

No, watch the latest stream from 5:55:00

[late bane]

wait i should make a site that lets you plan ridiculously long road trips, that be funny

[oblique wharf]

Well it may start a bit b4 that

[late bane]

i added weed airport CA

[oblique wharf]

It should just be like 1 minute ish

[winged knoll]

ok i'm in the video at 5:50

[unreal coral]

Poland Maine

[oblique wharf]

Ye just watch for the next 6-7 mins

[torn panther]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-i-dont-know-maybe-who-knows-gif-16429539

[oblique wharf]

Actually wait

[unreal coral]

GARBAGE

[late bane]

smh

thats why i use apple maps

lets you add like 15

[unreal coral]

How many with google maps?

[late bane]

1-

10

[unreal coral]

lame

[unreal coral]

I bet a tesla could do it better

[oblique wharf]

It did get clipped so afterwards isn't recorded but the initial is there

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/ZanyCoyLaptopAMPTropPunch-02J6yjmYCgf2D0w8?tt_content=clip&tt_medium=mobile_web_share

[late bane]

dont have a tesla 😭

[unreal coral]

Neither do I lol

[late bane]

wait ya'll cursed idea:
chatapp in HTMX

[winged knoll]

Congratulation on being real

[oblique wharf]

Yay

[unreal coral]

can't be worse than teamspeak

[late bane]

teamspeak is a voice app not a chatapp 💀

[unreal coral]

Not the new teamspeak 6

[late bane]

oh nah not that shit

[unreal coral]

I watched NoTTS' video on it and I was disappointed to say the least

[late bane]

i considered matrix for a while, then for some toxicity in the community i shut down my instance(also mainly because random pedos would send explicit images randomly???????) so i shut down my instance but still get a boadload of pings from them

so whenever i check my logs its just /,well-known/matrix/server

over and over

[unreal coral]

Did you see that in order to communicate on TeamSpeak 6 it shares your IP with the other people?

[late bane]

if you have a dynamic IP just reboot your router after every use

[unreal coral]

But even still... I don't trust that as far as I can throw it with my good arm

[late bane]

yeah its still weird to share it

[winged knoll]

so they use p2p

[late bane]

does anyone wanna guess the amount of trains in the netherlands at this moment

[unreal coral]

More than the US

[late bane]

error cannot compair typr str to type int

[unreal coral]

That's alot of trains

[late bane]

like 32 at the moment

but it goes up to 300 on busy days

busy days

(map shows all trains entering the netherlands or in it)

[winter sierra]

Train

[late bane]

tren

[unreal coral]

I like trains

[late bane]

do like bus?

[outer gust]

im force-loading windows ME onto you

enjoy

[unreal coral]

I love a good bus

[late bane]

https://busposities.nl/

and for trains https://treinposities.nl/

[ocean agate]

So random thought about stream stuff. Thor said that the hype trains on twitch has no level limit but i thought of a theoretical cap.....queries, if it takes longer for it to process the amount of transactions it takes to level then the 5 minute time limit the level has then no train could go higher as they would be gated by processing speed...who knows what ungodly level that would be but its technically a cap lmfao

[late bane]

42 is the cap

[carmine sierra]

For hype train level?

[ocean agate]

no, vedal has 111. and pirate had 106

[late bane]

hitchheikers guide to the galaxy reference

[carmine sierra]

Oh pff

[late bane]

at least i dont have to sit in a V250 when traveling in NL

[unreal coral]

My favorite train engine

[ocean agate]

basically the 106 hype train i think hit that barrier before and they had to fix it thats why its "did i break it" but pushing it back means its still there just way harder to reach the cap

[unreal coral]

I was so excited to get the didibreakit

[ocean agate]

i wish i had been there....and i missed Vedals by a few minutes....i literally sat down at my computer saw he was streaming clicked the channel and the chat was just starting to celebrate

[unreal coral]

Yeah, I didn't even know about Vedal yet when he got his record

[late bane]

bye ima sleep

[ocean agate]

GN Turret

[unreal coral]

GN

[unreal coral]

I don't actually know how I found Vedal honestly

[ocean agate]

Thor does talk about Vedal on occasion, i know there used to be a talks about a DnD adventure but its a process to get people who arent streamers to have time. cant imagine trying to coordinate multiple streamers

[unreal coral]

I know that it was before 'How a Turtle Accidentally Created The Perfect AI Streamer' but idk when it was. I think it might have been Thor that mentioned it around the time of him getting the hype train record but idk

Twitch isn't any help because apparently I wasn't following Vedal until 3 months ago

[ocean agate]

i think the hype train was 3 months ago so kinda funny

[carmine sierra]

Vedal's record was on New Years

If I remember right

[ocean agate]

so you might have joined when Thor talked about how cool it was that they beat the record

[carmine sierra]

Thor made a Twitter post congratulating them at the time

[ocean agate]

im not the best with calendar distances...5 minutes oh yeah im good, yesturday....whats that?

[carmine sierra]

https://vxtwitter.com/PirateSoftware/status/1874640375949983976

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware)

Today @Vedal987 has beaten our world record Hype Train.

The new record is Level 111 at 55% which smashes our Level 106 at 47%. I cannot stress enough how awesome Vedal and their community are.

That being said...
On April 1st at 10:00am PT the goblins will return fire.

QRT: Twitch
In honor of @PirateSoftware’s record breaking hypeness, a new level of Hype Train has been unlocked - and with it a new Emote.

Who's gonna break the record next? https://t.co/AWXI7k2Ab4

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jan 2, 2025, 2:14 AM

[ocean agate]

1/1/2025...so yeah new years, thats cool

and its already July, thats crazy

[brittle jacinth]

it was during neuro anniversary

they do a subathon during her anniversary

so it happen that they broke the record

while we are at 733k on the idf fundraiser the NOVA group has left vshojo with a tweet

[indigo wadi]

omg LOL

[stone nacelle]

man, they shut down the rails near my town. going to be trouble for a few days

maintenance, paving etc

they called me today 'this will be shut down, btw we are showing minecraft movie in the park on X day' oh, so don't go to the park that day

[earnest cove]

https://x.com/bldrvn_/status/1947789369680581078?t=3QhiBje9lXibhsFwEXAcwQ&s=19

All personal beef vanished in the face of greater good. Everyone pitched in to the donation

Reddss🎼🔜ANYC/AFO (@bldrvn_)

lemme take a look at the full leaderboard for fun- WHOOOO???

X · Jul 22, 2025, 10:42 PM

[distant rapids]

Now THAT'S what i like to see.

[boreal flower]

lol makes sense she'd donate those numbers

committed to the bit, respect for that -nod nod-

[subtle gate]

https://youtu.be/-A5V770vlXQ?si=YNNo7t6dZ4-8vK-c

[minor nymph]

I now apparently have a wikipedia article. It's mostly about controversies, got my birthday wrong, and doesn't list any of the positive stuff I've done. Hilarious.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Software

[indigo wadi]

roflmao

[sinful kestrel]

Congrats on being younger

silver lining

[indigo wadi]

I'm sorry

[brazen drift]

congrats on not only being ageless, but so deep into someones smooth brain that they had to make a whole wiki article about you.

[frosty socket]

no, the 106 train broke twitch's API across the site, we literally broke tiwtch with it, at the time

[brazen drift]

Which now we can edit

[frosty socket]

oh, that article is gonna have an editing war, isn't it?

[brazen drift]

OH YEAH

[indigo wadi]

can it be put up for deletion?

[brazen drift]

lmfao

"actually i think this guy doesnt need a wiki"

[spark tide]

??? They can just do that? Do people have no say what kind of information is put on wikipedia about... themselves...?

[frosty socket]

they'll get so frustrated with us putting in actual facts, that they'll probably request it taken down, most likely

[winged knoll]

You can’t. Wiki suppose to be neutral

[spark tide]

Yeah, but thats kind of my point, it needs to be backed up by sources, evidence based, not emotionally based.

[indigo wadi]

even though all of the "controversies" have been emotionally based?

[spark tide]

It cant just be used to slander.

Im confused how its allowed and so easy to do.

[brazen drift]

Thats why its gotta get edited by the community to add actual information, and then the original guy who made it will probably get smacked or something

something something people mad about facts

[winged knoll]

What's your correct DOB, or would you prefer not correcting it

[frosty socket]

I'm hearing Thor laughing/cackling reading this, with him knowing this is gonna be hilarious to watch go down

[brazen drift]

DoB: hatched from alien egg, N/A

[frosty socket]

LMAO

[sinful kestrel]

Know your rights. If your wiki page isn't accurate the police are not allowed to arrest you👮‍♂️ .

[subtle gate]

can I set it so it looks like Thor was born in the 1800s?

[brazen drift]

Just sneak some really REALLY weird stuff in there. like how thor isn't caucasian, hes Elf.

[subtle gate]

the container of teeth

[brazen drift]

his best friend is a skull he won in a charity auction, and he has his pet rock [then pictured, not the action figure on his desk but a real life photo of dwayne the rock johnson]

[boreal flower]

if wikipedia can't be bothered to maintain standards of accuracy and neutrality with their articles such as being fact-based and not riddled with whatever crap ppl wanna make up for personal agendas, then i sure as heck ain't donating to them anymore :/

[terse pelican]

That Wiki article has so many errors

[brazen drift]

to be fair the wiki banner DOES say it has multiple issues

i mean its poopoo that it was even allowed in this state

[subtle gate]

am I the only one that thinks Jason is a cool name and Thor is overused?

[distant rapids]

Its meant to be in good faith- sort of like a "this article is under construction" kinda thing. It is never used in good faith.

[fathom stone]

I think all names are cool. Even Staccato Mamba.

[glad owl]

That’s what his dad calls him?

[indigo wadi]

Thor is hardly overused

[distant rapids]

Wait actually, does thor's dad call him thor too? If so that is very funny and should be added to the wiki

[terse pelican]

I mean, It's fine to think that Jason is cooler than Thor, But it doesn't change the fact it is one of his names, and the one he preffers

[boreal flower]

you can think it's a cool name, but thor's the one who can choose which name he goes by and if he wants to use his middle name then all the power to him

[jolly sky]

He actually does yep!

[winged knoll]

Yeah, need to remain neutral on the wiki page.

[subtle gate]

preference takes precedence I agree

[indigo wadi]

Sodapoppin kicked Thor from the guild on stream

[winged knoll]

hmmm so if i were to edit the wiki and add Thor's achievement, need to properly cite the source of his previous achievement in devcon

[brazen drift]

God this wiki needs a lot of work

[fathom stone]

This one whole heartedly, i was there.

[winged knoll]

I can probably add the ferret rescue (Snailhouse) in there and make a separate wiki page for it

[terse pelican]

It needs to be re-structured, re-phrased and tons of corrections

[distant rapids]

It does need a lot of work. It's so nice the trolls provided a great starting place! It was so nice of them to give us a chance to make an actually accurate wiki for Thor

[winged knoll]

but man the wiki using cursed language

[sinful kestrel]

You really should clip the Joeyray interview as a pants. It deserves better than to be hidden in a vod.

[winged knoll]

fk is this

[distant rapids]

Thor also coined the use of pants instead of shorts for longer shorts...

[winged knoll]

[boreal flower]

probably a good idea to coordinate on editing

[winged knoll]

why can't just use markdown or something

aaaaaaa

[fathom stone]

Welcome to Hell, Hellscream

[indigo wadi]

"video game developer" doesn't even list the companies he was at, yeesh

[fathom stone]

I tried to restore the Heartbound Wiki page...and...this is what I got.

[brazen drift]

Oh my god we can put the time square billboard long lemon acheivement on that wiki

While I respect Thor, we now have an OFFICIAL place to troll him gently.

[winged knoll]

lfg

[fathom stone]

Yeah...here

[distant rapids]

-java dev (blockgame)

[fathom stone]

XD

[glad owl]

Didn't he only build video games for himself?

[dusky grove]

Dont forget his streamer awards trophies

[brazen drift]

Nah he was part of offbrand

at least for a short time

[fathom stone]

He was the Director of Strategy

[distant rapids]

We DO have to make his age stay at 69 for as long as we can, though.

[indigo wadi]

he did Q&A/OffSec at Blizzard and then...something at Amazon

[winged knoll]

hmm hmmm we should coordinate our thoughts at least

[winged knoll]

?jobs

!jobs

[dapper raven]

Here is my work history. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-hall-628b4a9/details/experience/

[indigo wadi]

No, it has to be 7

[distant rapids]

Oh snap, you rite....

[winged knoll]

Automation Engineer

[fathom stone]

Thank you!

[glad owl]

Was that "video game development"?

[fathom stone]

Kind of

[brazen drift]

I

[winter sierra]

I

[fathom stone]

QA is part of development.

[dusky grove]

The QA definitely is part of dev work

[indigo wadi]

Didn't he initially work on battle.net launcher?

[brazen drift]

i just really love the idea of going to some guys wiki and just seeing "age: 7" and its just a dude in a banana suit

[jolly sky]

No but seriously. Everyone partaking in editing the Wiki article should provide proper true neutral statements and sourcing. Don't make this a trolling pissing match. Make this 100% as accurate as possible, provide the receipts, and Do. Not. Budge.

[fathom stone]

Yep. Hence the Red Team

[indigo wadi]

right

[winged knoll]

Should have a channel to coordinate the attempt, i'm not good with structuring stuffs

[dusky grove]

Was thor also QA on starcraft 2 or was that another kind of work?

[fathom stone]

I hope I didnt get flagged. Sorry mods if you see it XD

Yes....I remember that too...

[distant rapids]

Can we make an official shared doc with statememts and links to evidence?

[fathom stone]

"GET AHEAD OF DEVELOPENT!!" What a stupid phrase.

[glad owl]

I never worked with a QA that was a dev

[dusky grove]

And if we need evidence on the games he worked on, just get the credits screen of the games

[fathom stone]

If they have his namw..

[glad owl]

I think he has a credits somewhere

[indigo wadi]

Yup

I also recall Thor mentioning he did some terrain work with removing skulls for WoW in China

Not sure what that falls under

[distant rapids]

Ehhh, that might be a bit of a stretch to ref

[minor nymph]

July 17th 1987.
7/17/87

Chat loves this.

[distant rapids]

We dont really want to- SEVEN

[ocean agate]

i thkn that was assigned to QA at the time

[vocal tree]

He just flagged the skills for the devs @indigo wadi

[indigo wadi]

ahh

[fathom stone]

No....Oh god...no wonder why XD

[glad owl]

happy belatd birthday

[silent plank]

oh im sorry

[brazen drift]

https://tenor.com/view/seven-dwarfs-nodding-nod-yeah-gif-16351678

[dusky grove]

Gamedev is the whole process, from making the ideas, to assets and code, to making sure everything is right.

Designers, artists/musicians/programmers, QA in that order

[indigo wadi]

this wasn't skills, this was the actual terrain in the world maps in northrend

[winged knoll]

7️⃣7️⃣7️⃣

[vocal tree]

*skulls

[minor nymph]

!jobs

[dapper raven]

Here is my work history. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-hall-628b4a9/details/experience/

[minor nymph]

Full jobs list

[ocean agate]

have you been worshiping properly Thor

[minor nymph]

Ramen

[vocal tree]

I know, my autocorrect changed it and I didn't notice in time. Sorry

[silent plank]

i swear when i see a gradient name in here i saw the gradient moving 😭

[indigo wadi]

all good

[glad owl]

when pfp?!?!

[dusky grove]

I think it does... slowly

[minor nymph]

Mouse over it. The gradient moves.

[fathom stone]

It does

[indigo wadi]

holy, that's a lot of hours

[silent plank]

oh good i thought i went mad

[fathom stone]

Not yet...oh wait you are in here...you are mad

[silent plank]

so you're calling me crazy?

crazy? i was crazy once

they put me in a room, a rubber room

[jolly sky]

Having a place seperate to organise this all of this would be wise. Don't make the edits to be memey or joking. This is a battle based on true and neutral information first and foremost. Have the evidence speak for itself.

[fathom stone]

A rubber room with rats

[silent plank]

a rubber room with

make me crazy

crazy?

[indigo wadi]

"Created a new team and led it to victory." Genuinely curious the context of "victory"

[fathom stone]

.....Thats...even better XD

[jolly sky]

Lmao I do love datamoshed stuff

[glad owl]

Can we add total number of bans on stream? i feel like it is a world record

[distant rapids]

This, i really desire either a channel or a doc but i am a nobody so i shouldnt make a doc

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-ohmygod-gif-6056991

[sinful kestrel]

If you want to edit wikipedia it's a good idea to familiarize yourself with their pillars and policies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/stargate-jack-sg1-gif-21402301

[frosty socket]

no, not adding that, the drama folk WILL use that as ammo

[fathom stone]

Even I am agaisnt adding that number..

[deft kraken]

just woke up, what fresh hell have i missed now?

[dusky grove]

Thor has a wikipedia page now

[frosty socket]

Drama folk made a Thor Wiki page, we're making proper edits and corrections

[sinful kestrel]

He's famous now and he's moving to hollywood

[distant rapids]

Goblins have begun a prowl

[silent plank]

omg im so happy for him 😂

[glad owl]

fair, i am curious what the total is tho

[dusky grove]

I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy...me

[fathom stone]

Dont joke about that. We need to protect Thor from Hollywood.

[brazen drift]

We get to edit thors official wiki since they wew so kind as to give us one

Were

[silent plank]

i love thor's role as tree 3# in the movie

[deft kraken]

the haters gave the goblins a new toy..... this will be something

[glad owl]

We have to make it organic, coordinated edits are ban worthy

[spark tide]

Sigh. These people also seem to have found an old roommate and co-worker of Thor??? Who is all too pleased go on a tour giving interviews. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. Its sick.

[jolly sky]

No. This is the time to get serious about this. This is a moment where we have the chance to just link the Wiki page to any naysayers or people claiming nonsense about him. Lets do it right.

[indigo wadi]

Like that'll matter

[fathom stone]

This is new info...

[frosty socket]

I'm gonna take a look at it in 24 hours and see what changes the Drama folk try to make to "Correct" our actual verifiable facts with their "Facts"

[indigo wadi]

whut?

[fathom stone]

But they are right. We have to be serious about this.

[glad owl]

I worry about rollbacks and bans on my wiki account of there is a massive flood

[vocal tree]

I love how Thor accidetally activated the goblin horde with vindication

[dusky grove]

The power of shennanigans is strong

[silent plank]

man... 😢

[frosty socket]

dangit, forgor about vulgarity filter

[vocal tree]

But you are absolutely correct that this needs to be done right

[terse pelican]

If you provide accurate, Factbased information, With neutral language, You shouldn't ever be banned from Wiki

[jolly sky]

It's better than to just allow it to exist with clearly not neutral information, and have it be another attack vector.

[fathom stone]

We activated ourselves

[winged knoll]

updated DOB

[frosty socket]

ain't nothin' accidental about it, Thor knew we'd take to making proper corrections with vigour

[winged knoll]

for the rest, probably need some kind of Google docs so we can coordinate the thoughts properly

[fathom stone]

Huh...might not need to play detective after all

[distant rapids]

We are a technical, information, and truth loving bunch, with a side of mischief.

[boreal flower]

the bite of '87 OwO

[frosty socket]

did they at least give him the correct full name to begin with?

[winged knoll]

hmm lemme check the edits, but seem like it

[frosty socket]

no quotations on "thor", i mean

[winged knoll]

ye ye, that seems to be the case

[sinful kestrel]

You should try to keep the format similar to other pages

[frosty socket]

good, probably drove them mad to do that

[glad owl]

should his page title be "Jason Thor Hall" not "Pirate Software"

[frosty socket]

yeah

[fathom stone]

Yep

[frosty socket]

honestly, it should

[terse pelican]

Should be yeah, and it should generally redirect from ''PirateSoftware'' to Thors page

[frosty socket]

it... doesn't have a space

[spark tide]

Quintheo released a interview with a roommate and coworker of Thor at blizzard. I feel this guy is not going to stop at anything.

[frosty socket]

that's gonna bother the crap outta me

[jolly sky]

The more neutral, factual, source originated the information, the less chance there will be of Wikipedia allowing for bad faith edits in the future.

[silent plank]

[winged knoll]

Good point. I only edit the current source

[hazy storm]

quintheo being deseprate and dramatic

[silent plank]

mon dieu..

[hazy storm]

which doesn't stop him from causing trouble

[indigo wadi]

oh cool, we can just disregard it then

[spark tide]

The coworker also dragged Thor on X, so its clear they got a grudge or something, just wants a piece of the pie...

[frosty socket]

it makes me wanna go into a spanish/german curse filled rant

[glad owl]

How are we going to handle the youtube citations for the drama? like do we just unlink with edits?

[terse pelican]

Can't be BFF's with all your co-workers 🤷‍♂️

[fathom stone]

Could you dm me the page?

[glad owl]

same

[hazy storm]

i wonder if thor's other old co-workers will come forward in defense

[distant rapids]

Okay, i can make just a blank google doc for us if no one wants to host/have one

[winged knoll]

go go go

[spark tide]

Let's hope so. Seems everyone is all too eager to throw Thor under the bus??!! It's really weird to see.

[boreal flower]

it's a shady strat; if attention is diverted off themselves onto someone else, they can get away with their own crud

[hazy storm]

it's very disheartening. just one more piece of negative news in a year that's too full of them

[boreal flower]

a theory at least

[hazy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/game-theory-game-theory-its-just-a-theory-game-theorists-gif-20883020

[vocal tree]

You could ask them why talk about this now, why not when he first gained popularity almost two years ago?

[distant rapids]

Hmm, do we want anyone with link or anyone added, anyone with link is faster but... less secure in case of bad actors

[subtle gate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Killing_Games might wanna modify this one too

[terse pelican]

Have two copies of it, One that you personally edit so that you've got ''redundant'' backup if someone were to trash it?

[deft kraken]

small bit of lore, thor and mattpatt actually have a bit of history, because gtlive played heartbound and didn't credit the dev, and called it an undertale clone (i believe that was the word used i could be wrong)

[hazy storm]

did they settle the issue?

[frosty socket]

while true, i suspect the specific coworker has a grudge from thor reporting something they, intentionally or not, missed/did wrong

[terse pelican]

I think Toby Fox came into to defend Thor and called MatPat out

[silent plank]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-matpat-game-theory-theory-toby-fox-gif-1628045471907910689

[frosty socket]

oh, wow

[lunar moth]

I'm heading to bed, but I'm just confused - why are folks talking about Wikipedia?

[hazy storm]

i have a bad habit of making accidental enemies at work. not surprised if thor did too

[silent plank]

what a good doggy

[deft kraken]

i think it was settled as in mattpat changed practices going forward that would prevent it from happening again, but to wether an appoligy to thor was issued accepted i don't know

[silent plank]

someone made a wikipedia article of thor

[hazy storm]

someone made a wikipedia page on thor and we're trying to do damage control

[fathom stone]

Eeeeh.....Yesnt.

[hazy storm]

by "we" i mean other people on the server

[silent plank]

goblin QC

[deft kraken]

pretty much, in the 2 years i've been here, i've only ever heard thor talk about it one time

[glad owl]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Killing_Games why is Pirate mentioned on SKG?

[lunar moth]

God... people need a life (not ya'll but others) - well, best of luck and hope things go well, g'night!

[distant rapids]

Okay, I don't want to post the link to the doc here for security reasons. Please ping me here if you want access (it is literally empty right now)

[terse pelican]

Because he was vocal against it's wording

[glad owl]

honestly, he shouldnt be on there

[lunar lodge]

ping? pls

[terse pelican]

Honestly no, But at best, We can try to edit to get it removed

[real cradle]

Called them out for vague wording. Some people took offense to that. Then some more took it WAY TOO FAR.

[fathom stone]

Yeah...I think I was there...because it was MatPats Retirment too....

[distant rapids]

I'll stay up an extra hour to clear any pings for doc access, but after that, ita eepy time for me.

[ocean agate]

7s confirmed

[tight bramble]

7s confirmed? Oh wait its Tuesday, nvm 😦

[glad owl]

dm'd

[minor nymph]

We streamin

[high ember]

hell yeah

[silent plank]

On a Wednesday?? Crazy

[glad owl]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-love-u-gif-3903319992391866751

[terse pelican]

Plan is Get blockgame up for the Blockgamerinos. And stress-test the server

[silent plank]

Oh i see

[fathom stone]

Well there goes me learning HTML darn it XD

[silent plank]

No wonder he's been devstreaming

[terse pelican]

Why not both?

[glad owl]

<head>big brain</head>

[wispy plover]

I constantly have stream open while working on other stuff. But then again I guess I am rarely teaching myself new stuff when I do that.

[indigo wadi]

where strim

[high ember]

I'd be working on my game jam project but I'm not at my PC right now
I definitely need to get back to work on it though

[fathom stone]

I am slowly working on it....I just had a horrible idea...and something unique I don't think anyone has done before (Not looking at the other 16 game james with over 10k+ projects)

[silent plank]

Good luck with your gamejam

[glad owl]

its so hard to pay attention to both screens

[distant rapids]

I am going to be fielding access requests for the Wiki Editing doc for another hour, please feel free to ping me here

[spark tide]

I Dm'd you the page btw, in case you didn't see.

[ocean agate]

are you going to include his time in the fracking 5 and that he is an AI sentient wig from the future?

[silent plank]

AI sentient wig???? I knew there was something weird with that hairpiece!

[red vessel]

wait did he start streaming on Wednesdays again?

[sinful kestrel]

Congrats on Wiki Wednesday

[ocean agate]

he is streaming today and he has talked about going back to 6 days a week but not sure if this is just a blockgame thing or new schedule

[distant rapids]

I really wish i could but... we do have to restrain the goblin villainy for this one. Professional goblin suits.

[terse pelican]

Blockgame Related Stream so that he can get it back up

[red vessel]

gotcha

[high ember]

I'm definitely gonna check out Blockgame after the Game Jam's done

[strange ember]

If you're doing anything other than the absolute latest Java, or anything to do with Bedrock?
https://prismlauncher.org/
Trust me, the small learning curve at the start (and it is very small) will save you SO MANY headaches later if you want to play a specific version or a modpack, ESPECIALLY if you want to customize the pack

[indigo wadi]

whut?

[strange ember]

👋

[strange ember]

The old minecraft launcher was decent. The new one is very amazingly bad

[boreal flower]

i use ATLauncher, saves me a lot of headaches

[strange ember]

AT's good

Prism's just platform agnostic

Curse/Overwolf is more newb friendly but hobbled

I've been doing modded minecraft since Beta 1.2 ish

Back when you had to edit Minecraft.jar like it was a zip file (which it technically is)

[austere scaffold]

1.7 equivalent exchange my beloved. Power flower my savior

[strange ember]

1.7 had EE3

1.6.4 would've been the last version with Xenophobe's ee2

[jolly sky]

Dm'd you

[distant rapids]

Note: you can still send me join requests after i eep, i just won't respond while sleeping

[strange ember]

If you're doing anything but blockgame, I would highly suggest Prism.
It will let you play any version of Java with any mod pack at the same level of difficulty in creation as any other. You can have settings unique to each instance; it can be portable (no install); it runs with less resources; it supports Modrinth and CurseForge-compatible modpacks; JVM tuning, theme assignment, and metadata editing per instance; full offline mode support — once a Microsoft account is authenticated, it securely stores credentials locally, allowing seamless gameplay without internet access; update packs and/or mods in-launcher, including installing and removing or disabling temporarily;

Even lets you use different java versions for any instance and comes with some pre-installed so if you do anything else with java you don't have to screw up your projects having 5 different versions installed locally

It's open source, actively maintained and developed, and made by people that know what modded MC users and packdevs want.

[winged osprey]

I can vouch for prism, it's a neat Minecraft launcher

Let's hope I don't have to use a fork again in a few years

[strange ember]

They learned that lesson 🙂

[indigo wadi]

Im just doing Blockgame

[strange ember]

Poly was such an unmitigated disaster when Peterix showed his dictatorial side.

[strange ember]

Give prism a shot, you can do it portable, so if you don't like, you can delete

Minecraft has a way of... encouraging additional exploration