streamchat

[wispy plover]

I think for the most part, the bulk of the worst of it has passed, and even those that hate Thor are seeing a new thing every day by randoms and are finally like "Ok... thats enough man. THATS ENOUGH SLICES!"

It is finally encouraging some semi-normal people to start actually doing their own research. Kinda too little too late, but it is never truly too late. And those people are welcome.

As for what Thor should and shouldn't do, that isnt up to us. Agree or don't. Support, or don't. And those of us that like it here will still be here. Thor will still be here. And at the end of the day, they can't take that away from us.

[knotty marsh]

Part of the ship. part of the crew

[gloomy forge]

No pregnant man emote though.

[opal bronze]

nah people change their minds all the time, to group everyone in on that side would be like saying everyone here fully agrees with everything thor does

[hasty grail]

the main discord im in put a temp rule of "dont mention thor at all" which has been nice

[warm trench]

Beer belly man...

[hasty grail]

otherwise there has been a drop in other discords

there are a few holdouts in the CohhCarnage discord however

[blissful imp]

Gotcha

[hasty grail]

better

[vagrant sandal]

I've been mostly a silent member in the discord but I've been poking my head in because thor is one of my favorite creators and I wanna see what's going on

[hasty grail]

its 7

[vivid maple]

https://x.com/Godzalis9876/status/1947395541379518538 imagine sending this as a reply trying to own how thor is "breaking tos"

Tyler LaGrave. (@Godzalis9876)

@jumbojet45 @MischiefsYT

X · Jul 21, 2025, 8:37 PM

[gloomy forge]

Yeah I noticed the opposite a lot in many "free thinking" communities. the ones that are seen as one usually freak out during the smallest disagreements. Meanwhile this community is often told that its full of whiteknights yet most disagree with Thor in one way or the other

[vagrant sandal]

I'm sure the Internet will eventually move on to bully someone else

[wispy plover]

I only had one issue in my friends discord where they started to go on about something related and I quickly shut that down.

[opal bronze]

i immensely prefer that over the alternative, nothing more frustrating then someone who refuses to see a fair argument

[muted robin]

well yeah that's bc whiteknighting is when you show support for a scapegoat and meatriding is when you point out a claim is demonstrably false

and bias is when you like a streamer, but definitely not when you hate a streamer and spend all your time defaming them

[vagrant sandal]

I mean I'd pretty much lose all motivation if someone started tearing down my game so props to Thor for not giving up

[muted robin]

and i saw a short the other day where he responded to a TTS by saying that there's never a time where he's not afraid of releasing something new bc that's part of creating things and wanting them to be enjoyed

[shell osprey]

Not that I think there's any real issue, but to be fair weren't the mods receiving 50% of the donations for that event? I'm not sure it's accurate to say it was a gift to the other mods - e.g. that kronos wasn't receiving anything from it
I only say this because weak arguments get snapped up as being points to contend by haters, whereas just keeping it factual and simple shuts them down entirely

[opal bronze]

idk about how your friend dynamic works but people can think what they want around me, correcting misinfo is always good though

[gloomy forge]

I feel there is a huge argument to be had here. Game making isn't about vanity, but improvement of your skills, but also finding out about what you really want. being criticized is one thing, but knowing what you want the other.

Thats why the entire angle of the streams is about "learning" and not "getting famous".

[lapis tartan]

Speaking of, new coding video says Thor isn't going to ever finish heartbound... Looks at updates and how it's playable. Wut.

[wispy plover]

Friends discord* someone who wasnt my friend. And it was a misinformation thing. So I corrected it and said "not here" basically.

[warm trench]

I internalize everything. So I start off with no one will bother with my game in the first place. Now that's out of the way, 1 1/2 years of working on it during hobby hours later, still trying to finish it.

[opal bronze]

i see

[vagrant sandal]

I saw that one lol

[muted robin]

sometimes i want to watch just to see how stupid and easily disprovable the claims are but that would be giving them views and watch time so

[lunar lodge]

how many games has the author finished?

[lapis tartan]

Says Thor is just streaming and playing minecraft... Thor is working on a big update for block game, another thing you can play.

[muted robin]

i unsubscribed from someone who jumped in on the train.... not worth it

[hasty grail]

config files specifically

which is another part of coding as a whole that no one talks about

[soft vector]

Anyone who is jumping on the Hype train isn't someone I care to watch

[vagrant sandal]

I did stop playing block game because I lost interest, I'm wondering what the new stuff added will be

[wispy plover]

It's been nice for me in the fact that I unfollowed and blocked people who I now know are complete toxic PoS and not worth my views.

[kindred sedge]

The whole hype train thing is dumb
Imagine working at Walmart (or your local equivalent of a big box store) and not being allowed to shop there because you have a job there

[lapis tartan]

Never agree with drama slop. It's drama slop...

[serene valley]

Champions of breakfast is out on steam

[hasty grail]

a lot of changes, Thor is trying to get the update ready by Wednesday

[muted robin]

it was someone who was qualified to discuss it but unfortunately i couldn't respect the fact that they jumped on it before even waiting for an official statement from thor on it

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-it's-now-illegal-gif-9069046532046800647

[soft vector]

They meant the Video author

[muted robin]

so i can only imagine the entire premise of their coverage was just hearsay and screenshots

[serene valley]

Ah

That idk then

Anyway I go eep

[gloomy forge]

I feel we should just drop the discussion there isn't anything to be said. But at least we somewhat are on the same page in terms of the information.

[kindred sedge]

I genaully think people might just be upset at the fact they are jobless losers who do nothing but shit them selfs online at what ever slop tells them too

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-court-objection-hearsay-gif-25461916

[gloomy forge]

have a good eep

[lunar lodge]

yea man the video author

[kindred sedge]

...your profile picture has reminded me that bat metal existed

[lunar lodge]

and now you must watch it

[kindred sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-spy-spylater-invisible-inviswatch-gif-14119504042196889441

[hasty grail]

speaking of the bat

[wispy plover]

Dethklok supremacy

https://tenor.com/view/batmetal-so-strong-my-face-is-batman-dethklok-gif-4214691892159061410

[gloomy forge]

I dunno, I wouldn't call people losers. YouTube always was full of misinformation or at least inconsequential information that meant basically nothing.

The problem is how YouTube replaced old media but still does the same mistakes as the old media does. Its only far less curated.

[brittle brook]

YouTube: all the brainrot of 500 cable channels, and none of the accountability of the FCC or similar broadcast agencies.

[lunar lodge]

mmm word one of the things I like the most about this community is how factual and curated it is towards objective well researched truth

[distant rapids]

Hey peeps can i clarify something: which train had Thor donate the proceeds to the mods? Was that the recent one? Or the april 1st one?

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gif-6123757

[gloomy forge]

I wouldn't even say that but I'd argue that a lot of poeple want to promote actual free thinking/doing your own research.

Theres many places like that but youtube/reddit aren't the ones. A real free thinker would spend 1 hour watching slop and 1 hour watching and listening to Thor. Make up your own mind.

Maybe engage with the community a lil

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/stargate-jack-sg1-gif-21402301

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/trust-but-verify-chernobyl-gif-20454184

[lunar lodge]

damn straight and there's the disconnect, not a lot of media personalities have such a strong respect towards objective truth

[gloomy forge]

It also goes without saying that if you are still a hater once you watched everything, just try to be level headed out it.

[wind raven]

Objective truth is like quantum physics. It gets slippery when you try to put too fine a point on it. The idea of truth is an extension of religious certainty

you have to account for perspectivism

[gloomy forge]

Yes now that you wrote the final sentence your argument makes more sense.

[wind raven]

did i out myself?

[umbral gazelle]

There is very few objective truths all of them are only about physics

like Thermodynamics

[lunar lodge]

that's just deeply unreasonable

[wind raven]

I know a Kant follower when i see one

[gloomy forge]

objective truth doesn't really work, but there is always a degree of truth, well argued morals, etc. Its not just the Kantian approach to things, its more about seeing things from multiple angles.

[lunar lodge]

ah a man of literature and philosophy, very nice.

Locke, Hobbes or Rousseau?

[muted robin]

Don't the profits always go to the mods whether it's a hype train or not?

[wind raven]

Hagelian dialectics?

[muted robin]

I might be misunderstanding but I was under the impression that Thor lives off of stream/youtube revenue and the mods get all the donations

[gloomy forge]

? I don't think its deeply unreasonable. Everyone has their emotional investments. People who liked PirateSoftware can become haters and vice versa.

As long as you approach it from an angle of doing your own research.

[jolly sky]

Also to those who expect any form of perfection from themselves, or anyone else, it would be wise to remember that perfection literally does not exist as Fundamental law in the Universe

[opaque raven]

Well...they stop working when you go on atomic level, specially on Brownian's motion

[hazy storm]

And also you should do research that's on both sides of the issue. if you do research purely from an echo chamber you'll get radicalized

[gloomy forge]

Or in different terms, perfection is impossible to percept from our standpoint.

[nova bough]

im perfectly unperfect

[lunar lodge]

that's an oxymoron, if you approached it from an angle of doing your own research and actually did your research it would be extremely difficult to hate someone like that

[gloomy forge]

Yes, thats what I was getting at.

[nova bough]

my kitties are literal perfection tho

[hazy storm]

Sometimes people need things explicitly laid out

[earnest cove]

is this about legal mindset post about fraud allegations?

[jolly sky]

No we're just yappin

[lunar lodge]

not sure what researching flat out lies and propaganda will do for you though

[nova bough]

look at his little face

[jolly sky]

The way I see it, if perfection actually existed, then the Universe would have remained a soup of perfectly spread matter after the Big Bang, and never would have coalesced into heavier and heavier matter

[hazy storm]

Like moving from ramen broth to chowder

[gloomy forge]

I mean its easy to disproove any perfectionist argument. If you ask two people what they think perfection is, they give different statements. But there is only one degree of perfection.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, no need for progress and evolution if perfection is already a concise principle. You can't evolve what is already perfect.

[flat moat]

For those without the understanding for Dan's comment, Life would never have existed as a result

[opaque raven]

I respectably disagree
I just made grilled cheese with tomato soup and it's absolutely perfect

[gloomy forge]

You have impecable photography skills

[hazy storm]

i have a WICKED recipe for grilled cheese that involves provolone, muenster, and a drizzle of honey

[gloomy forge]

if that is in fact your image.

[opaque raven]

go on

[blissful imp]

Tomato soup aka Ketchup in a bowl with greens

[hazy storm]

that's basically it. lol

actual amounts vary on your budget and taste

[lunar lodge]

listen man.... if you put ketchup in your tomato soup, we may have problems

[hazy storm]

there are days where i slop on the honey and others where it's almost all muenster

[gloomy forge]

I find that perfectionist angle very intruiging though. Form peoples perspective, perfection is just a way to imply idealism. Literal perfection is impossible but idealisim certainly can become a drive.

[blissful imp]

What?

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-what-wwf-gif-12331041

[opaque raven]

I mean, ofc we can add bacon, honey and etc on a grilled sandwich but for me it defiles the purity and simplicity of bread and cheese

On the other hand
This is art

[hazy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-fist-warhammer-gif-27420223

the only thing perfect is the Emperor, Master of Mankind

[nova bough]

friend, that is a heart attack.

[lunar lodge]

acceptable tomato soup ingredients:

• tomatoes fresh chopped boiled and blended
• tomato puree
• tomato sauce

you put ketchup in there and you went wrong

[opaque raven]

No no, there is an apple on the side, you see

Healthy

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/food-coma-food-eat-starving-kirby-gif-11681237984626125370

[opaque raven]

An apple a day keeps the doctor away

[nova bough]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-gif-2568640736599761295

[distant rapids]

Well normally they would go to the streamer, but thor specifically stipulated one of the streams would have proceeds go to the mods. I just cant remember which one.e

[brazen drift]

was it the chrimbus one?

i remember a chrimbus bonus

[opaque raven]

Ah yes, without McDonald's we would never think of apple slices

[distant rapids]

Well, i had to guess. Posted a really long counterclaim to legal mindset's video then unsubscribed. I normally dont watch the drama slop vids, but legal mindset has some real push and pull, so i decided to address his claims. None of yall answered me to correct me on the stream time, so boy, i hope i was correct.

[kindred sedge]

ngl their apple slices are C r i s p

[earnest cove]

i think in this situation unfortunately the burden is on kronos now to prove he paid with his own money...?

thinking about how legal crap goes down

[opaque raven]

Gossip says that their Apple pie is amazing

[earnest cove]

It's dangerous to gift gifts to a famous friend because of this. can easily be seen as corruption

[hasty grail]

dont forget a grilled cheese in there

[gloomy forge]

Honestly, responding to slop isn't the best approach. Think of it this way. People would sue Thor the second any of the claims had any validity. Twitch would remove streamers that transgress.

On the other hand there will be...nothing. Because any of the claims made weren't grounded in truth. The thing about consequence is that the lack thereof also means that nothing happens.

Also don't watch youtube because you think people make well researched videos. Watch it because its entertaining.

So if they are right and Thor is in trouble, all he has to do is wear a bikini. Bikini/pool streamers seem to be immune to Twitchs wraith. Problem solved.

[jolly sky]

Thorng

[gloomy forge]

comment of the day.

[distant rapids]

Well i didnt hear about any actual legal crap, it was just him making supositions. Supositions that were actually, surprisingly, really assumptive and performative. it was totally out of LM'S normal mo so i was very disappointed in him for... well, becoming what he hates. Dramatuber.

[edgy oar]

Yeah I watched a bit of the LM video. It was pretty clear the whole video was just assumptions and no actual facts

[earnest cove]

Currently it's all assumptions and waht could be. I just hope it doesn't turn into real things

[edgy oar]

Kinda sad to see a lawyer fall into the drama farm

[distant rapids]

It wont, not with hasan still being on twitch

[earnest cove]

Still, I watch to learn what could be seen from the outside and what kind of mudslide may fly in the way.

[gloomy forge]

That just proves my claim. The things that people say in youtube videos are forgotten in a week since its all performative and a way to get money and to foster emotions. In truth, nobody cares.

[distant rapids]

Well, nobody with money cares.

[dusky grove]

I mean he got big cuz of his coverage of the nijisanji dokibird drama.

[opaque raven]

If we are going into legal applications I would strongly suggest for those people to take 10 steps back before saying anything.
The sheer amount of legal actions that Thor and PS could take against drama farmers due to defamation is absurd

[edgy oar]

The only legal channel I am subscribed too is Legal Eagle. Since he seems to back everything up with facts.

[earnest cove]

That one is a good coverage though because niji is really really bad

[paper shuttle]

what's LM?

[earnest cove]

legal mindset

[edgy oar]

Legal Mindset

[distant rapids]

Even legal eagle has had some bad takes, namely political bias takes. It seems everybody loses their minds when politics come into play

[urban venture]

Lumber mill

[gloomy forge]

Language Model

[distant rapids]

Not learning language model, just language model.

[blissful imp]

Sadly the modern internet wont see this and will shit on thor no matter what.

But also people just straight up hate Thor for some reason. my guess is jealousy, because he blew up by simply posting shorts and well that form of content isn't liked atm.

[jolly sky]

"I don't want to get into the drama"

Proceeds to mention all the manufactured drama that Thor has had show up at his doorstep

Still just Slop Drama, but dressed up a little nicer

[blissful imp]

Although it could easily be from Classic WoW and people needc to go outside.

[edgy oar]

The Thor hate really spiraled after the WoW incident. There were millions of eyes on that.

[distant rapids]

I just think a lot of people don't think about WHY they believe what they believe. I address this question to myself everyday, and I greatly respect those who do as well.

[opaque raven]

Are those people getting views on those drama videos?

[nova bough]

why we talkin about drama

[opaque raven]

Like, reasonable amounts

[nova bough]

mods gonna start hammering people

[edgy oar]

Yeah, drama videos tend to pull MASSIVE viewership

[distant rapids]

Lemme have my nice polite conversation

[quartz sonnet]

They’re generating hundreds of thousands of views at minimum

[earnest cove]

tons of views

[edgy oar]

It's why many failing channels tend to get into drama videos.

[distant rapids]

Eh, i'd say it actually slowed down, because even though i havent watched (most), im watching the view numbers. the numbers are steadily going down
(Clarification edit: the side drama sloptubers, not CJ, which is farming views from both sides AND coders)

Its now 100k ranges

[edgy oar]

Just look at Coding Jesus. Barely 100k views on his vids until he started doing Pirate Software videos and suddenly he bumps into the millions.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah obviously drama has a half life. Thor is right, its mostly tourists/channel hoppers.

[lyric venture]

At this point I just think of that stuff as a honey pot. Its a tarp

[blissful imp]

...yes

[jolly sky]

My guy please

[glossy marsh]

YO can any mod help me please? I got banned some time ago appealed and my appeal states "No..... You know what you did, slanderous comments are not appreciated in our chat"

[jolly sky]

We don't need to see it

[gloomy forge]

[lyric venture]

Yeah why.

[opaque raven]

I need to join in fast!!
I have so many good drama topics:

• "Thor pushed a rainbow down the stairs!!"
• "Khronos is Thor's vtuber model and we have PROOF"
• "Thor is actually 3 Kobolds in a trenchcoat! It's OVER"

[glossy marsh]

my name is Dzemka_mj on twitch

[edgy oar]

People will legit make their whole career out of drama slop videos

[blissful imp]

i'm just answering his question with proof.

[jolly sky]

The sentence has already been handed down. That's the only chance you get.

[nova bough]

"Thor and his mods kick puppies for views" ( /s)

[indigo wadi]

You can just...not answer

[distant rapids]

Now i want to see ehat that person posted. I bet it started with m and ended with a

[lyric venture]

I just am wondering when we are going to get a daily Meatball post from Thor ;p

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[opaque raven]

"We found Thor's old League account and we have proof he played Teemo!!"

[glossy marsh]

cool, fine but I got banned during world record this year and I am 100% not sure what I was banned for tho...

[glossy marsh]

thats punishable by death tho

[earnest cove]

by the way about your post earlier, on one hand yeah twtich can take action. on the other hand we have seen major favourtism from twitch on streamers they like.

In short, right now everything is presumptions, and if there was nothing legally wrong as Thor has claimed (personal money from a friend, not company money), then it's not fraud. Simple as that.

[split tulip]

it's always THE SITUATION IS INSANE (would make for a good album name tbh)

[indigo wadi]

Mod ticket for reason then

[glossy marsh]

caan you point me please?

[brisk sparrow]

#mod-ticket

[indigo wadi]

#mod-ticket

[opaque raven]

I would suggest a mod ticket, just to make things clear ☀️

[earnest cove]

ah metal band covers

[opaque raven]

🐌 I need to stop being so snail

[minor nymph]

[lyric venture]

I can't stop watching Sumo. I might have a problem.

[hazy storm]

good afternoon

[jolly sky]

Thor

[wispy plover]

Not sure your timezone, but more live sumo in like 2 1/2 ish hours?

[winged osprey]

Jeez that's a lot of videos

[lyric venture]

Yeah, in just about 2 hours

I think technically an hour and 45 minutes

[crude canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-sumo-cartoon-gif-17595760

[lyric venture]

Actually no, you are right, 2.5 hours

[distant rapids]

Thor's here! Quick, pretend like nothing is happening. Stick

[wispy plover]

Been an interesting July tournament. I missed yesterday entirely though.

[split tulip]

I actually threw together an idea for a fake band based on how the internet has become now

[opaque raven]

"We just found Thor's old gameboy and we have proof that he chose Squirtle as the starter!!! ITS OVER!!"

[lyric venture]

I missed the last division last night (fell asleep super early compared to normal) but caught it earlier.

[nova bough]

squirtle is my fav og starter tho

[earnest cove]

can i share this to my friends? because it aptly describes today

[split tulip]

sure

[jolly sky]

I mean, nothing beats colossal water cannons

[earnest cove]

thanks

[jolly sky]

That's actually sick, love it

[opaque raven]

Except fire dragon that isn't a dragon and giant cool frog

[wispy plover]

"He's drowning in bad decisions" New Thor drama by JohnYoutuber98 (for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[nova bough]

but a turtle with cannons

[gloomy forge]

Which album had the song Huge (if true)?

[fluid dome]

[split tulip]

it was the debut album "I Member"

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-i-remember-memba-member-berries-gif-11218434

[split tulip]

it had this whole Nostalgiawave sound

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-i-remember-memba-member-berries-gif-11218434

[wispy plover]

The hivemind

[golden latch]

dang it and i loved johnyoutubers content too

[opaque raven]

I must admit that wartortle is extremely cool tho

[distant rapids]

I never evolved my wartortle. Its just better.

[wispy plover]

His head got too big once he started covering vtuber drama. This ship was bound to sail.

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/squirtle-squirtle-squad-cool-sunglasses-deal-with-it-gif-14160720095090851679

[golden latch]

it used to be a friendship

[blissful imp]

doesn't have sunglasses tho

[nova bough]

sunglasses was a tv show thing

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kamina-gurren-lagann-anime-grin-gif-13138954

[earnest cove]

i skikpped the first half of the video and just kept to the actual legal reading. one of them made me think of Labubu merch

[opaque raven]

Oh thank god, meds are finally kicking in
I'm having such a bad migraine today, throwing up and everything, now it's finally getting better ☀️

[earnest cove]

i'm glad because migraines suck

[opaque raven]

They do...

Gladly for me it's only once every 2 or 3 months

[jolly sky]

Oh god not Labubu's

[opaque raven]

But I'm basically non-functional for 2 days

[earnest cove]

I don't understand labubus at all. they look ugly...

[jolly sky]

It's not really the Labubu's themselves. It's the absolute craziness surrounding them

[opaque raven]

Today my sec had to sent me home and blocked me from working

[wispy plover]

I dont know what Labubu's is and now idk if I wanna look it up

[jolly sky]

Think of them as the new Beanie Baby's

But WAY crazier

[earnest cove]

Yeah I..... I really don't get it. I think i saw someone saying that it's basically hyped up for no reason

[jolly sky]

And more expensive

[opaque raven]

"Ugly" dolls that are trending

[jolly sky]

and scalping out the wazoo etc

[earnest cove]

i definitely won't get a labubu

[wispy plover]

I thought that's what Squishmallows were for. Did those finally die off?

[earnest cove]

the squishmallows actually look cute.

the labubus? nah man

[jolly sky]

I respect these far more than Labubu's

[wispy plover]

Gods what in the hell

[jolly sky]

Fugglers

[wispy plover]

Ohhh I've heard of those

[jolly sky]

I believe a play on the word "Fugly"

Which is also a shortened version of F-word-Ugly

[wispy plover]

I think a friend in another community likes those

[opaque raven]

Sylvanian >>>

[blissful imp]

it looks like something. like it reminds me of something

[opaque raven]

Cute little babies

[junior apex]

sylans are so cute but didnt they just sue a major tiktoker

[blissful imp]

"felt cute might delete later"

[distant rapids]

My favorite are...

[wispy plover]

Ok I looked it up. Labubus just look like what I imagine some IRL vtubers are when they go live.

[jolly sky]

Sure sure. "Funny" Ugly Monster. Riiiight right

[wispy plover]

Still more appealing than Funko though

[earnest cove]

funko is another cursed one

[junior apex]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna219668 calico critter lawsuit for anyone curious

[blissful imp]

uhhhh where do you get that?

[wispy plover]

Clearly that is Nuxtaku. Nice try.

[split tulip]

album cover mockup

[opaque raven]

From what I remember it was roughly about using the toys to make videos about dr*gs, violence, murder and adult stuff.
The big problem was that the cc made fake boxes of the toys and pretended they could be found on stores.
They got a c&d, ignored, got another one, ignored again, things escalated

[frosty spear]

Still kicking myself for ignoring a 1 bedroom from two months ago at this point because it didn't have it's own water heater. Perfect otherwise, now I looking at postings that also don't have heaters at around the same price but smaller and without proper kitchens

[earnest cove]

aaaah japan. companies have a ton of power there because no fair use laws

[junior apex]

ill have to read up. ive only seen some initial articles and i havent looked further into it

[gloomy forge]

You know when there are moments during a song where a moshpit forms and people wait for the call? Once the singer growl "insane" would be a awesome moment to start moshing.

[blissful imp]

i know what i wanna say to this-- actually i just thought of a different one.

it looks like something that Nux would be into iykyk.

[wispy plover]

Oh hell no I'm not touching that one lmao

[jolly sky]

That sounds like a case of FAFO to me

[nocturne forge]

Guys have you seen Ironmouse announcement?

[earnest cove]

eh???

what announcement?

[nocturne forge]

She is leaving vshojo, they misplaced a shit ton of funds

[split tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwLbGcUMy6g

[earnest cove]

OH

THAT'S HUGE NEWS

hang on imma go ring the bells in my vtuber chat

[nocturne forge]

Half a mill from the immune defisency foundation

[brisk sparrow]

is vshojo one of the ones thats been falling apart recently?

or was that a different one

[nocturne forge]

Thats the one

Zen left too

[split tulip]

do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

[formal kestrel]

vshojo had like everyone leaving recently

[earnest cove]

yeah vshoujo is falling apart hard

[blissful imp]

which was the one Saba left to go independent

[nocturne forge]

True

[formal kestrel]

this kinda explains why IMO

[blissful imp]

?

[earnest cove]

very very hard like very mysteriously hard

now we know why

[lyric venture]

Oof

[brisk sparrow]

aught

[formal kestrel]

hololive had a fair few leaving but that seems more actually with change in whats happening internally there and what they want from their talents

nijisanji just dumpster fier

[brisk sparrow]

witholding money from a CHARITY is actually a death sentence for a company

[split tulip]

vshojo's situation appeared pretty tame, not renewing contracts etc, until this showed up

[earnest cove]

Money situation is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

[opaque raven]

What's that?

[wispy plover]

Oh snap, gonna have to read that later.

[brisk sparrow]

especially funds to a charity

[jolly sky]

I can see him Hulking out

[hasty grail]

looks at The Completionist

[wispy plover]

I figured she was a lifer for VShojo

[jolly sky]

F* Around and Find Out

[wispy plover]

MoP classic just went live, so gonna bow out. Have a good one y'all.

[gray fable]

what is the current subject(s) here?

[distant rapids]

Woops. Had heartbound running in the bg for... an hour and a half.

[opaque raven]

Oh, ye, for sure

[formal kestrel]

have fun!

[opaque raven]

New term, FAFO
Learned 📝

[earnest cove]

Vshojo committing big corruption on money

[split tulip]

still allegedly. nothing definite yet

[jolly sky]

Yeaaaaaa that was a time.

[opal bronze]

well that sorts out tomorrows stream topic

[hasty grail]

shame that Karl Jobst shot himself in the foot later

[earnest cove]

ah i see.

They've been going downhill with failing to fulfil their merch obligations and because the contract was not watertight, pushed the liability on the talents.

[gloomy forge]

doesn't vshojo provide next to nothing of any benefits whats so ever? its not like cover and anycolor that actually at least try.

[jolly sky]

Yea, sadly that was entirely on him. He literally handed Billy Mitchell the win on a silver platter

[split tulip]

yeah, but in return they didn't really make any demands. your model is yours and you're free to do pretty much whatever content

[earnest cove]

Their main promotion was that the talents keep the ip while the agency handles the networking and merch.

Theoretically

[nocturne forge]

Mouse lawyered up. This is gonna go down

[earnest cove]

Now with this blowing up it turns out they didn't actually fulfil their part of the contract

[formal kestrel]

i got the impression they did a lot more with merch and collab type things than theyd necessarily be able to as indie vtubers

[gloomy forge]

at least in japan they get acting/yap lessons, dance lessons, singing lessons, can talk to a therapist or at least someone who has an ear for them.

[formal kestrel]

best thing with them was all the IPs etc belonged to the talents still

[split tulip]

probably gonna be a bit before documents show up on court listener and such

[opal bronze]

i could teach that class

[earnest cove]

Music contracts is the biggest draw for people to enter Cover

they have huge connections into the industry

Works out great for some like Suisei who almost vanished into obscurity

[gloomy forge]

Yeah true, thats not within the contract I guess. At least one plus.

I get that people are against corpos/gov but IMHO theres up and downsides of both.

[split tulip]

yeah, but in return they "own" you. they own the model and brand

[opal bronze]

all ive ever heard from vtubing companies is bad stuff

[earnest cove]

Cover's talents got featured in anime opening and ending songs, appeared in games, and more.

[gloomy forge]

exactly they also have an entire supporting industry of creators and producers behind them. Toby Fox being one of them.

[earnest cove]

Yep yep! Toby Fox! (still amazing how he got adopted by the japanese so quickly)

[split tulip]

you usually don't hear about when companies fulfil their obligations, only when they fail to do so

[brisk sparrow]

toby is also just a musical genius

[opal bronze]

true, i also dont follow the scene

[brisk sparrow]

see: The Third Sanctuary

[gloomy forge]

Yeah the western part especially. In japan, they get more benefits but thats because western vtubers were treated like second class citizens.

[earnest cove]

Man is more famous in japan than anywhere else too

[brisk sparrow]

also his mascot really fits Japanese culture based on other things ive seen tbh, unintentionally or not

[earnest cove]

I don't know what niji even provides because from what I could see, Cover is going waaaaaaaaay further. Pekora in Death Stranding 2 for example.

[fervent wedge]

Hey, Sooo this is reaallly Messed up.

Wtaf Vshojo?

[gloomy forge]

I mean isn't this just Dream Theater in general very alternative sounding song but not in a bad way.

[brisk sparrow]

vshojo went from the lesser of two evils, to the actual worst

[spark tide]

What services does a Vtuber organization provide that these big Vtubers don't just fly solo?

[earnest cove]

every single musician who listened to felt so challenged to play it because the time signatures are nuts

[opal bronze]

thor vtubing company soon

[earnest cove]

In an ideal world, connections into the bigger, wider entertainment industry.

[brisk sparrow]

it killed (/j) like 4 drummers IIRC

including 8bit

[earnest cove]

Those who fail, well, nowadays vtubers are better off flying solo

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, thats just part of the trade. Doesn't seem too wrong. You also get the "connections" if you leave. You can easily rebrand yourself after leaving a corpo.

[split tulip]

oppurtunities. they have contacts in merch, music, games, etc.

[spark tide]

Hm.

[indigo wadi]

Like a label

[split tulip]

not everyone survives a rebrand. it's a big risk.

[earnest cove]

Corpos also fund projects taht are files under corpo

like huge concerts, or big music album deals

[junior apex]

often they will pay for the model iirc which can be extremely expensive for a new streamer

[earnest cove]

Ya and paying for the setup

[gloomy forge]

And again, it depends what you seek from vtubing. means to become more than just a streamer with a weeb avatar or maybe a sort of digital idol.

[brisk sparrow]

it will be interesting to see if ironmouse stays as ironmouse or is forced to rebrand, considering shes the defacto face of vshojo IIRC

[indigo wadi]

They also have next to no creative freedom

[split tulip]

hololive and co. are more like idol companies, if you know how they operate

[fervent wedge]

So does that mean Iron Mouse cant be Iron Mouse anymore?? bc IIRC Vtubing Companies when you sign on with them, practically Own your Entire channel and the rights to it right?

[spark tide]

Not giving 500K to charity is wild. Hope that still gets donated.

[earnest cove]

she stays as ironmouse because vshoujo lets them keep their identity

[brisk sparrow]

oh thats nice

[gloomy forge]

Same applies to indies, they have to abide to the rules of streaming platforms but also competition.

[earnest cove]

not vshojou. that was why people signed up int he first place

[split tulip]

she made her brand before joining the company. it's hers. that's one of the quirks of Vshojo

[junior apex]

it depends on the contract they have. some companies own them

[fervent wedge]

Oh ok thats good at least.

[nova bough]

i hope vshojo pays out. man thats such a shitty thing, withholding (or stealing) funds from charity

[gloomy forge]

Its a tough competitive business in the end with lots of pressure.

[spark tide]

Thats odd then. Doesn't seem like they are a malicious opressive company then?

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its pretty much illegal.

[spark tide]

what is going on behind the scenes.

[split tulip]

that's kinda why this "turn" felt so sudden

[brisk sparrow]

even if they do, the fact that it happened in the first place will never go away

[nova bough]

very much illegal

[tribal canyon]

depends on what they forced her to sign if they thought she may go solo

[earnest cove]

There have been complaints of the company failing to do their job and pushing the losses on the talent. Now it's possible fraud

[spark tide]

Damn.

[earnest cove]

charity fraud even

money that was supposed to go to charity was being held back and not honestly told to the talent who drove the charity

Ironmouse has already lawyered up

[quartz sonnet]

Oh boy, can't wait to read the legal briefs for this one lol

[gloomy forge]

Dunno why a company as organized as vshoujo would do this, they barely can control their own brand

[earnest cove]

oh boy vshojou have also not been paying their talents

[gloomy forge]

not like I care I never watched a western vtuber apart from the very smol ones .

[brisk sparrow]

feels like materia all over again if this is true

[earnest cove]

The most amazing thing is the Fish with 20 something crazy ladies managed the company way better

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-j-fry-im-shocked-not-that-shocked-shocked-gif-5288945

[gloomy forge]

Are you refering to Phase? I heard of them. Watched a few for a lil bit.

[split tulip]

the fact I know what company you're talking about means they do a good job with their brand lol

[earnest cove]

lol well they prided themselves as being better than niji and cover

[earnest cove]

yes! Phase!

the reason why their boss is called 'fish' because his name is 'SakanaH2O', literally 'fish water'

[split tulip]

didn't they have merch at Hot Topic stores? that's some pretty good connections

[earnest cove]

It started out as a small indie company where apparently the fish originally wanted to sell coffee

[idle hill]

love me some coffee

damn it now I want coffee

[earnest cove]

So all the people that he could afford to hire were.... not 'corpo safe'

And then it became the Brand

1 fish 20 screaming girls

He went out of his way to fly a trusted lawyer to Pippa because she didn't know how to fill out some nessecary red tapes, even if he didn't need to.

I hope the fish stays on the good side forever.

[junior apex]

almost impossible in this world :/ i hope so too

[earnest cove]

the bad things happen a lot because of Number Must Go Up

if Phase stayed a private company to not constantly push for arbitary number go up, they'll be sustainable

[idle hill]

I have faith in fish

https://tenor.com/view/sakana-gif-26609517

In Fish we Trust

[earnest cove]

Considering the nature of his team, I don't think most mainstream companies would want to collaborate with them

[lapis flame]

this sucks to hear

it is not unprecedented within the influencer space though.

[quartz sonnet]

A common thread I see is "Yeah, the company manages my money for me!" Yikes. There needs to be better safegards for this.

[earnest cove]

very very common, because normal people don't have accountants to handle huge amounts of money

[lapis flame]

my assumption is that they unwittingly became a pyramid scheme

[split tulip]

also most coming into the industry are young and inexperienced with the business side of things. it sounds great to just have the company handle all the "busywork"

[quartz sonnet]

Unfortunately, it's the exact worst way to go about it and just makes abuse and wage theft easier to get away with.

[junior apex]

learning how to advertise yourself is hard and i think that plays into joining agencies a lot

[earnest cove]

dokibird is feeling this, having to do everything herself now

a loooot of extra work

[gloomy forge]

Its more of a competition thing rather than advertising yourself. its also a overarching process.

[earnest cove]

thankfully now she has more experience. it would be impossible when she first joined

[gloomy forge]

because if you're smol and have only a handful of viewers, you grow by blending together communities with other vtubers through collabs.

[earnest cove]

Oh my good lord they did not pay ironmouse's pay either

both the chairty AND her, no money

the agency was acting as her bank

[gloomy forge]

Yeah she got shafted hard there, its really scummy business. Absolutely illegal.

[earnest cove]

100% illegal that's why her lawyers are now involved now

[gloomy forge]

ez stomp from her lawyers to be honest.

[lapis flame]

well ... they might be trying to squeeze blood from a stone

[earnest cove]

I expect a certain screaming green colombinan parrot to post a video about this very soon

[tribal canyon]

so odds VShojo are about to declare bankrupcy?

[quartz sonnet]

I'm not super knowledgeable about the Vtubers themselves, but from my understanding, a lot of these folks that are jumping ship are very early generation Vtubers and are starting to figure out they've been getting screwed for awhile.

[junior apex]

i hope it works out for her. legal issues are never easy and always expensive so i really hope she has the support she needs to do this

[lapis flame]

that would be my guess.

[gloomy forge]

imagine someone of the most inoffensive indie vtubers joining a company with the best intentions and this is how they threat you, thats really messed up.

Even if you're offensive doing business like this is still unacceptable to be honest.

[earnest cove]

in the early days they were not as widely accepted. Called cringe and whatever. Corpo connections made more sense for both promotion and networking.

nowadays they're more accepted and can have their own following

[gloomy forge]

Also intent is important. joining a corpo comes with a whole lot of benefits. but when it comes to just streaming without doing much else then just being a indie vtuber is fine.

[earnest cove]

benefits and obligations

[tribal canyon]

reminds me alot of the old Youtube MCN days

[gloomy forge]

The downside is that you're at the whim at being sanatized. On the other hand vtuber are still peak cyberpunk. They're often just promoting products in some ways.

[quartz sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/machinima-logo-intro-gif-3406416

[earnest cove]

Gura was deeply unhappy being in corpo by the end of her cover career. something didn't work out

[earnest cove]

now as saba she's happy again

[gloomy forge]

If I would guess i feel that the dodgers promotion was the reason.

There was a deep disconnect there.

[earnest cove]

Hmmmm i think even before that, she was already barely going live

[opaque raven]

Pure delight

[magic crown]

Wait why would they declare bankruptcy? did I miss something?

[quartz sonnet]

Probably gonna see an Indie renascence. Gee, that seems to be a trend lately

[earnest cove]

They've not been paying

[golden mirage]

I wonder if Thor has ever considered doing a fundraiser for the Immune Deficiency Foundation. We can't do anything about vshojo, but we can help support the cause.

[tribal canyon]

usually a sign a company is already having moneyflow issues

[earnest cove]

yeeeeep probably 10001 failed investments

[jolly sky]

He has donated to the Cdawgs Cycleathon so through that he already has

[gloomy forge]

Oh nice.

[quartz sonnet]

Lately, he's been more understandably focused on building the infrastructure and making sure there's a giant money pile for Snail's House.

[gloomy forge]

Dan the man knows his stuff. I'm not knowledgeable when it comes to the western part of vtubing so i mostly shut up. different sentiments.

[opaque raven]

I honestly don't know anything and do not care much about VTubers but the story around those 3 caught my attention and now I love them

[golden mirage]

Thats awesome but I meant something similar to what he did with the Humane society in January.

[earnest cove]

there we go

[gloomy forge]

Maybe another fundraiser would be nice though.

[earnest cove]

yeah those 3 girls were all coworkers in cover

[flat moat]

I remember this - Thor did it so Connor could finally sleep

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[gloomy forge]

I feel this community and anything PirateSoftware would benefit greatly to garner more positivity through another fundraiser.

Good causes are in fact good

[fervent wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[lapis flame]

If you cant make payments to charity and cant pay your talent, then youre either in a liquidity problem, or youre out of money. In either case, youre declaring bankruptcy because you cant pay what you need to pay.

[jolly sky]

I'm not sure exactly what charity the Auction house one when to, but yea that was a lot lmao

Oh right

It was the Immune Deficiency Foundation

Literally says right there lmao

[exotic forge]

Good for Thor

[flat moat]

It'd work massively but dramatubers will still try to point this out as a way to change optics

[magic crown]

Is that why zentreya, matara and one of the managers have left? If not how did we find out about this, just curious

[flat moat]

They'd liken it to Tony Stark donating to charity after his missile blows up a culturally significant mountain range

[earnest cove]

matara got burned very hard with the company not making the merch they promised

worse when the contract was not tight enough and somehow the liability was pushed on her

i dunno how she solved that but it was already bad

[quartz sonnet]

There seems to be a reoccurring theme in the Vtbuer community that being attached to corpos seems to suck a lot

[magic crown]

Ohh shit, must have been rough, hope she's doing OK and is able to solve it no problem

[gloomy forge]

Mostly the western ones but it depends on the sustainability.

[flat moat]

A lot of corporations offer the visibility these Vtubers need in order to work effectively

[gloomy forge]

its a tough business out there

[earnest cove]

A lot of times corruption cases weren't exposed because lawyering is an expensive and painful process. Not worth the trouble unless it's MAJOR bucks especially for a charity cause like ironmouse

[split tulip]

most vtuber corpos fold pretty quick. usually cause they aren't properly prepared to actually run a business

vshojo is unique in that it's been around for a pretty long time

[lapis flame]

if ~5 years is considered pretty long ...

[split tulip]

felt like longer. but this industry moves very quickly

[gloomy forge]

If the western parts of vtubing wouldn't be so incompetent in handling staff (which are also talents, just in a different way) and the talents (raison d'etre) then none of it would be a problem. But mismanagement is really easy to do once you think of them as the sole means to gain money. Once the system runs, nobody wants to change things.

The asian part is more robust. There is a huge disconnect between the western infrastructure and the japanese ones, which is way more tightknit.

just compare nijisanji en to nijisanji jp. Its like day and night.

[earnest cove]

Asian part also have much much much legal repercussions for failure

[split tulip]

2020 is around where english speaking vtubing took off. before that it was pretty much only based around Japan

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, kinda the same with europeans to be honest. accountability is important.

[opaque raven]

Ye, I've been following since Fauna left
I have a huge academic interest in post corp rebranding (MsC in Innovation dynamics). Situations like what happened with Inafune and Kojima

[earnest cove]

aaaah Kojima

he's a success story. Sadly not so for Inafune

[gritty tartan]

and still it's the name with stain of shit.

[earnest cove]

black rainbow company

[quartz sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[gloomy forge]

chinese as well, I dunno about south korea though actually but I do know some vtubers existed there in 2018. I'm curious now.

[quartz sonnet]

^ Probably

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats western sentiments.

Don't forget that nijisanji do the largest vtuber concerts in terms of viewership.

[earnest cove]

In addition, the size of the companies they're dealing with. Like, imagine if they flubbed up something from the biggest music studio in japan that's collabbing with Bandai.

[gloomy forge]

I haven't heard about that one. Is this an example or something real that happened?

[earnest cove]

an example

[jolly sky]

Ah yes.

The YodelFish. Completely normal, nothing weird;

[opaque raven]

I actually never played MN9, and I'm a big Megaman fan

[earnest cove]

Because that's the level of connection they potentially have

[earnest cove]

i own and backed mighty 9 lol

played it to completion too

I just didn't hear him much after that sadly.

Kojima has make a name for death stranding now

[split tulip]

is sumo showing the old ads again lol

[opaque raven]

So it was YOU!!!!

It's all your fault you know

Damn backers

[jolly sky]

I don't know if it was an old advert or not

[sinful kestrel]

I don't feel like Kojima and Inafune are comparable, instead look at Inafune and Igarashi, even tiered in their ambitions with wildly different outcomes.

[earnest cove]

Igarashi is a good one

[gloomy forge]

yeah they also live different lifes.

[opaque raven]

The outcome doesn't interest me much, on an academic level
The process of high level post corp is what interests me

[gloomy forge]

Who is excited about the MGS3 remake?

[earnest cove]

hey not my fault that the company was mismanaged. i just supported a megaman like

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-iffy-so-dr-cox-gif-24054477

[opaque raven]

Same with the devs from Rare when working on Yooka Laylee

[sinful kestrel]

They both set out to make a game like their classic ones, but now with 3D graphics, MN9 turned out one way and Bloodstained turned out the other.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, hype in moderation.

exactly my take too.

[jolly sky]

Considering the absolute mess that the MGS "Master Collection" was released as, I don't have much hope

It didn't even have volume or resolution options

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, exactly. Best to keep expectations low enough

[opaque raven]

I mean, I myself never backed anything but if we go back in time that was supposed to be one hell of a good bet

What the frick could go wrong

[gloomy forge]

I always wait it out until there is a consensus before purchase.

and read up on it.

spend a day or two, then wait for a discount. The last game I bought full price was oblivion remastered.

[opaque raven]

I'm waiting for Collection v2 to get them all and start the series

[earnest cove]

yes. the proposal looked good. shovel knight was a great success too.

alas, we learned about what investment can be....

[opaque raven]

But...they didn't even confirm the games

[gloomy forge]

and even that was...meh. 100% not worth.

[jolly sky]

There's already a mod in MGS3 for crouch walking (that somehow got brought over from the 3DS, modders be crazy)

[opaque raven]

I have Shovel Knight on switch but I never played it after the first stage

[earnest cove]

It's genuinely great. I've completed normal, plague, and spectre's versions

my husband done all that plus King as well (which i can't stand)

[jolly sky]

As it turns out, works out pretty well;

[gloomy forge]

Yeah they exchanged hex-dec values most likely. Console game modding is superb. real oldschool.

wait, is the master collection for PC?

[sinful kestrel]

Yup

[earnest cove]

ya

[opaque raven]

His was my whole adventure with Shovel Knight

Started the game
First stage
Absurdly good music
Closed the game
Printed 2 piano sheets and 2 arrangements
Learned how to play it
Never touched the game again

[gloomy forge]

Ahhh that makes it easier.

[jolly sky]

I have less hope they'll pull that off tbh. MGS4 is a wholly different beast

[gloomy forge]

I thought you guys meant homebrew gamedev stuff still interesting.

[sinful kestrel]

Crouch walking is overpowered in Snake Eater, but boy is it fun.

[jolly sky]

Also the Audio in the "Master" collection release was pretty wack for MGS2 and 3, and someone managed to bring over the audio from the MGS legacy collection from PS3 and mod it in

[earnest cove]

aaah I see I see. It can get difficult (try to use the d pad as much as possible) but it's rewarding.

[gloomy forge]

virt still is a absolute peak composer.

[jolly sky]

And very recently, some absolute madman modder made it possible to use the HF-Blade from the very beginning of the game, on the Tanker and Plants missions

This hasn't been possible up until now

[gloomy forge]

The best way to emulate modding a console game is to change hex-dec values. You can go really deep on it and its nice that devs of pico8 and the gamedevs of certain games allow for this.

[jolly sky]

The only way to get it before was through Gameshark, and whenever you attacked an enemy, the game would crash because it wasn't programmed to work at all before getting it officially

[gloomy forge]

i love how pico-8 is an actual game console, or at least has anything under the hood a real game console also has. Same with Picotron, has a ton of similarities to an amiga500.

[opaque raven]

Oooh Virt is actually Kaufman (that's how he signs the comps)

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, I know him only by his nickname.

he worked on RCR, been a fan ever since.

[earnest cove]

that chat do be moving from legal money issues do music

[opaque raven]

It's been a while since I saw a composition so well balanced to fit 8bit aesthetics. On the level of Megaman 2 opening tbh

[gloomy forge]

thats the average chat experience for you

but its also that theres many topics here going on at once.

[opaque raven]

That's us trying to stay on one topic

[gloomy forge]

to be fair I'm just enjoying my stay here.

[earnest cove]

speaking of money

https://youtube.com/shorts/r-D5vlEnzhg?si=pd5H-iXs1lcd3jVP

Apparently, if you taste pennies/copper, run very fast to the hospital

[opaque raven]

This one is also soooo brilliant
"The Bouquet Magique"

Plague Knight dlc or something, idk

[earnest cove]

ah yes

that one is definitely plague's

[earnest cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPObwoUuSK0

here have one as real violin and piano (wait, is it real or faux?)

[gloomy forge]

virt is insane, he probably has composed over 5000 commercial songs overall. most of them unique in style and personality.

[opaque raven]

Ye, I mean, to learn how to play it I had to listen to it hundreds of time while cycling around town

[earnest cove]

aaah

oops sorry about that

[gloomy forge]

bro was born and decided to become digital beethoven.

kinda like what savant did to be honest.

[opaque raven]

I'm probably responsible for 20% of the viewership of that video (also on "Jojo's Opening 1-7")

[earnest cove]

he's built different

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, fun guy too.

[warm trench]

I only watched this 5 times to finally figure out the reflection in the truck is house on fire.... hahahaha

[late bane]

the amount of scam DMs from this server is crazy 😭

[lyric venture]

Weird, I have not had any scam DMs

[late bane]

2 in the last 4 days

[lyric venture]

Suggest putting in a mod ticket if that is the case.

[late bane]

i like waisting scammers time so i dont mind

[brazen jasper]

Is it the ones that try to sell you Ai Art?

But ye its best to close dms to non friends etc, if it gets to annoying

[late bane]

its streamers trying to connect with other streamers

idk what the scam is but it aint real if it happens twice with unrelated accounts

[lyric venture]

Fair, I forgot I turned off DMs on this server.

[late bane]

yeah its normal in big servers but not this much

[lyric venture]

I used to get them relatively often in much smaller servers which I think is why I have turned that feature off when I join new ones

[late bane]

fair

[dire burrow]

You should open a mod ticket and report them.

We ban those accounts.

But we can't ban them without knowing about them.

[late bane]

👍

[ocean agate]

i get DMs from random people i usually ignore since it will be from some random server i never talk in, like wth

[winged knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920152399941861457/1168171367636676618/1142914651835875400.gif

[opaque raven]

I got a cool one asking to follow this Russian CS streamer

Discord itself dealt with that one before I could do anything

[nova bough]

i shut off dms for large servers.

stops that all together

[distant rapids]

no-one dms me :< no spam bots touch this. maybe they know i will either report, ignore, or old-grandma them

[opaque raven]

What about the normal dms from normal people?

You are missing out on
SOCIAL
INTERACTIONS

[nova bough]

i am literally having a social interaction right now

sometimes the bots try to friend request me, and if ive never chatted with them i assume its a bot

[fierce bison]

guys what's the difference between #self-promo-video and #advertising , I put it in the first one but now i just noticed the other channel and I am confused about the correct place to post lol

judging by the posts there they both seem to be used the same way?

[opaque raven]

Ah yes, NoAccess my beloved

[fierce bison]

xD

i guess that kind of answers my question

[distant rapids]

i think #advertising can be used regardless of using videos

although honestly, i was disappointed it wasn't the channel for talking about marketting strategies. i need help with that.

oh no wait im thinking of #1189611807917211760

... we have 3 advertizing channels

[fierce bison]

I think there's too many channels xD

[tight bramble]

Dude I clicked all of them just because I was was curious. Scrolling through it all to get to the ones I mainly pay attention to is like scrolling through a EULA lol

[fierce bison]

eh, in theory that's why we have roles for channel access, but my FOMO prevents me from just picking a handful of roles, and I just selected more of them than I probably need lol

[tight bramble]

Yeah pretty much lol

Oh hey! There's a coop shooter called Mycopunk that Thor could look into. Its about enemy fungus.

[fierce bison]

uuuu has quake vibes

[spark tide]

That game looks wack. Saw Vinesauce play it.

Hope its fun to play solo.

[fierce bison]

if quake and borderlands had a baby?

[blissful imp]

wait borderlands??? is it a looter shooter?

[tight bramble]

Oh ok. I just saw mycology and thought of thor....

[blissful imp]

i like looter shooters. Destiny 2 and Division 2.

[earnest cove]

I didn't realise it until someone in the comments pointed that out too. EMS and other first responders are full of crazy stories.

[tight bramble]

Same

[hasty grail]

is it fair to say that D2 is better than D2 or D2 regardless of the legacy that D2 has?

[tight bramble]

For right now, yes. The overall game that D2 has is pretty robust, whereas the overall game that D2 has is pretty limited, and new players start the game not only without a lot of needed context, but with a lax system of "go here, do this" that new players need to show them the loop that established players are used to.

[stone nacelle]

Yeah borderlands humble bundle is amazing

Fun franchise even with its issues

[opaque raven]

I played Borderlands 2 with friends and I didn't have a good time
They were all pushing the story forwards, rushing everything

Me and another friend playing for the first time were so lost all the time

[hazy storm]

I would never play borderlands 2 multilayer on the first run through

I enjoy the story and humor too much

[brittle brook]

BL series can be hit/miss with first-run coop

like BL1, it's worth coop since they hadn't figured out their writing yet. BL2, ya worth solo

BL3, def coop because most of the characters were insufferable

[hazy storm]

Haha

[brittle brook]

TTWL, solo since the story actually had some heart to it

[hazy storm]

Ttwl?

[brittle brook]

Tiny Tina's WonderLands

[hazy storm]

Oh yeah

That was a great dlc

[brittle brook]

I mean the full game, not hte BL2 dlc

[hazy storm]

I couldn't enjoy Torgues dlc because i had over leveled at that point

[hazy storm]

Ohhhh. Nope never tried that

Is the plot the same?

[brittle brook]

https://cdn1.epicgames.com/salesEvent/salesEvent/Daffodil_1P_Awareness_INT_Epic_2560x1440_2560x1440-ba126bdeac3faab0596b7c56e9c09990

no, completely different plot from the DLC

it's set between 2/3, the "wrapper" is Tina is running a D&D game that your character is playing in

plus it has Will Arnett voicing the villain

[opaque raven]

Maybe it would be cool when everyone was playing for the first time

But it was a rushed run with people giving us weapons and teleporting us around. It wasn't very fun at all

[brittle brook]

oh ya, if you're playing with people who already have built up characters and its your first time, that's always a shitshow in any game

[river cargo]

the most horrifying part of the drama is all the ai generated images of thor...pure nightmare fuel

[late bane]

Anyone here remember what mouse Thor has

I need a new one and if his can survive pc gaming and streaming then sign me up

[distant rapids]

This one (in the middle)

But seriously, unfortunately i do not know what mouse he uses

[late bane]

She was a real G

Also Milo is an absolute unit

[winter sierra]

mouse is so silly she sneaks into other ferrets playtimes

[blissful imp]

So i watched this video https://youtu.be/7SAsBTWjz_g
Then went and read some steam reviews. it seems to be like DRG. in fact steam reviews specifically bring up DRG.

[distant rapids]

... forgetting what drg stands for

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[hazy storm]

the only time i was ever grateful to get twinked was in WoW PvP

because then it was a matter of survival

[distant rapids]

OH DRGGGGG MY GOD HOW COULD I FORGET

i was like, dev randomized game????

Daily rarity generator?????

[hazy storm]

lol

[distant rapids]

[hazy storm]

Drama Ridden Group?

[distant rapids]

Oh god too real. Devestating reality generator

[opaque raven]

I'm heavily medicated so I read that as "anyone here remembers House of Mouse?"
And I stopped there

Ye...what a good show

[late bane]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[blissful imp]

i remember house of mouse. it was around when i was a small child. the intro was cool.

[torn panther]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-this-is-epic-ben-shapiro-gif-27534321

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-n-princess-lana-kevin-keene-mega-man-gun-gif-16807943982198833367

[blissful imp]

ok. just watched this. my god some of the jokes are really funny out of context. https://youtu.be/MDVmnPE6ryw

[opaque raven]

"Sorry, we don't allow miners in the club"
This is so good

[late bane]

Should call thors stream the house of mouse tomorrow but I worry it'll remind him of his beloved ferret

[vivid maple]

https://vxtwitter.com/Shibukaho/status/1947445892514254869 kaho shibuya posted this tweet at an very particlar timing

Shibuya Kaho 澁谷果歩 (@Shibukaho)

This person moved from a noted VTuber company to another as a staff last year, bragging about his new income. He thrusted me a few of his new business cards to "give to my good contacts". I found the action obnoxiously rude. But maybe he was too young and friendly to know better.

Then the mf wanted to meet up for tax advice, because I'm a native in Japan and I hire an accountant. I was asked to have dinner in his area, which was quite far for me, splitting the bill. That day I got convinced I didn't like the guy.

Yet because I loved the talents he worked with, I was only secretly hoping he would lose his job one day.

Recently, I heard from another creator that he was showing photos of VTubers' real selves while revealing their personal info like marital statue. I now wanted to find a way to warn other employees.

Today I've learnt the most despicable shit the company has done to their talent. Don't know if he's involved with it, yet all my personal grudge is nothing comp…

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 21, 2025, 11:57 PM

[torn panther]

Oh my god, the memories flooding me

Iconic

[opaque raven]

"Some couples already have kids while others are still postponing"
And the camera turns to Beast hiding like this

What a good show

[indigo wadi]

I don't think they would bonk

[distant rapids]

She is into it though, look at her face

Gosh i remember my young self. I was so disappointed when the beast turned back into a human. Little did i know

[waxen comet]

this smells like a certain black company is involved

[placid plover]

great times on youtube today

[earnest spire]

tell it why!

[placid plover]

I did but the button didnt go away

[earnest spire]

gd enough

[carmine birch]

The Mods are asleep, I can finally say what I have been holding in

Mods =

Leaves crate filled with Bread 🍞

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/young-bucks-gif-7266789149756718550

[carmine birch]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguim-madagascar-se-escondendo-hiding-gif-27503349

[placid plover]

bread 👍

[outer gust]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-gif-19521148

[carmine birch]

https://tenor.com/view/zoeoutsold-gif-19727998

[opaque raven]

Yo Jasmin, what the frick, chill on the gossip

[subtle gate]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-o-neill-bad-bad-example-stargate-gif-5640168

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/stargate-gif-9685859

[hazy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-c3po-lost-gif-27048411

[winter wave]

Goodbye fig

You were a good boy

[fathom stone]

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-alchemist-roy-mustang-cry-rain-sad-gif-5359078

[drowsy vector]

May Fig play happily in Valhalla
o7

[ocean agate]

7s confirmed

[cyan sparrow]

Hey guys from skg, to thor’s job history to his coding, and now fake twitch engagement apparently

Idk wtf is going on anymore

Like

????.?

[ocean agate]

what do you mean?

im not any of those but i am not sure what your question is

[cyan sparrow]

People are now saying he has fake twitch engagement with bits and hypetrain

And that he could get into legal trouble

[golden latch]

He didnt and he wont khronos chose to use his money how he wanted to end of story

[rain hazel]

People are just salty they don't have a community dropping hype trains as often

[ocean agate]

so i guess when they broke the record 106 hype train Khronos had donated some bits, probably a fair amount based on the implication, but people are trying to say Thor paid him to do it without proof. Khronos wanted to do it so he did, the end

[hazy storm]

People pulling drama out of the tiniest things and making it a big issue. like inflating a rage balloon with nothing in it but hot air

[cyan sparrow]

EVERYONE wants to farm him for content its crazy

[hazy storm]

yes it is, and it's incredibly sad and frustrating

[ivory schooner]

what's up with the PS Logo in the cheer bucket? what caused that, there are cheers, subs, bits, but then there's a PS Logo just chilling in there

[golden latch]

Youtube loves incentivizing it 😁

[rain hazel]

an easter egg maybe 😄

[golden latch]

Its subs each tier has a different weight and image

[ocean agate]

i had to double take, my brain is still waking up and kept seeing PS as playstation....im like wth.....

[ivory schooner]

what tier of sub is it?

because it's SPECIFICALLY different from the sub icons, it's just the logo

it's just chilling in there

[shell osprey]

but people are trying to say Thor paid him to do it
Look, I don't think this issue is a big deal at all, but the mods were getting paid half the hypetrain donations as a bonus so I don't think this is an effective argument. A better argument is "the entire thing was charity + who cares"

[ivory schooner]

could be Bit Goal related? it looks like it reset recently

[golden latch]

oh

[ocean agate]

maybe its a youtube thing?

[distant rapids]

@bronze jasper One Summary of skg drama: thor thinks skg is a monkey's paw. Others think he is wrong depending on a variety of factors, varying from them thinking thor misunderstanding something about the initiative, all the way to thor is h*tler and they think because he disagrees with them on it that he suddenly wants to kill all games and is a corpo shill despite massive evidence to the contrary. Hate brigade started, and now mods are earning every penny for what garbage they have to read and filter. Basically, internet being internet. Please don't talk about it further here as our poor mods are tired and need rest.

And now a cat for a pallete cleanser

[ocean agate]

Cat

[distant rapids]

Cat

[wicked schooner]

Catto

[junior torrent]

Ironmouse?

[distant rapids]

Ironmouse, trivago

[junior torrent]

Nevermind he's explaining it.

Have Odin being a snugglebug

[junior torrent]

WAIT WHEN WAS THE HYPE TRAIN RECORD BROKEN?

[lapis flame]

i think you mean palate cleanser

[untold seal]

All streamers do it , no problem.

Thor does it, big problem!

Comedy is tragedy.

[cyan sparrow]

Ugh

[bronze jasper]

Thank you for the very quick explanation and the amazing cat picture, I shall now return to my silent observing. Thank you again for catching me up.

[ocean agate]

like a year ago the community got a 106 hype train....the hatters are digging far back now

[distant rapids]

You're welcome! I can understand the frustration of being left out of the loop. But dang, this loop is a noose, so you're safer touching grass like meh

[untold seal]

I personal favorite critic that is hilarious is the "nepo baby" one.

Yes, he was "nepo baby" ....for a minimum wage job in QA . I can understand the outrage if he became some game director or some shit but entry level QA? People do make a big fuss lmao

[junior torrent]

Oops sorry mods

[brittle rune]

You good, it was automod

[ocean agate]

did you get automoded, lol

[junior torrent]

😤 I'm getting so tired of drama farmers

[junior torrent]

Thank you, I forgot about the no cussing rule for a second.

[bronze jasper]

Yes, Ive been touching much grass this summer, as well as drinking from the forbidden slushy know as public pool

[untold seal]

I am research/academia. The nepo hires are far more significant. Fresh PhDs leading labs without post-doc experience blah blah.

[junior torrent]

....
yes
holds out hands take me away mods (lol)

[proud depot]

someone did dig up a video where thor said getting an internship for blizzard was due to his dad, but it most likely had no influence on him getting the actual QA job

[golden latch]

The “favoritism” who does it right and wrong is so stupid as an insult cause the only use is to demerit someones abilities as a descriptor but its useful as a descriptor of a certain type of situation. I wish theyd stop cause they cant even use the concept right

[cyan sparrow]

Everyone that takes time to comment on the youtube stream uploading to going on his stream, to going on this discord to farm hate are legit losers and and they need to go touch grass and look at themselves at the mirror LOL

[junior torrent]

Speaking of Blockgame, anyone know how to make Minecraft skins?

[golden latch]

Ms paint JPEG

[untold seal]

Also, did Thor not quit that first gig and got rehired after some time?

[brittle rune]

You guys are all fine, you've been discussing this politely and all, but I'd rather we move on from the topic
It's the same thing every day and getting tiring

[knotty marsh]

There are online editors afaik where you can paint them onto a 3D block dude

[junior torrent]

Yeah but it doesn't look as good. 😭 I don't know how to do the fancy shading and stuff

[ocean agate]

a JPEG....thats it?

[junior torrent]

There is but I have a specific design in mind and no art skills

[distant rapids]

Minersneedcoolshoes, now uh.. renamed to something else

[golden latch]

A file type for images

[proud depot]

there are online programs if you want to make it easier

[knotty marsh]

You get art skills by doing the art. Go do the art

Remember, just make it exist first. You can make it good later

[golden latch]

Just take a image from the internet and partition them out to the skin sprite layout.

[distant rapids]

Needcoolershoes might be a good revival for making minecraft skins.

[junior torrent]

Nevermind. Forget I asked.

[golden latch]

[proud depot]

My minecraft skin is actually a polar bear I made myself

[toxic rampart]

If you wanna go ham and learn some neat stuff you could try Blockbench.

It's a lot less intimidating than it seems as a 3D modeling and texturing program.

Very easy to understand and have fun with.

[bronze jasper]

@brittle rune I have a question regarding the logistics of being ham, how do you propel yourself?

[brittle rune]

Propel? I stay in my chair thanks

[golden latch]

I dont like propel myself its weird tasting water.

[bronze jasper]

@brittle rune That is fair, enjoy your (whatever time of day it is for you).

[toxic rampart]

Even as a beginner or having never touched 3D modeling before, it's very user friendly.

https://youtu.be/0NnmJVoy2Qc?si=kCxecsfhqHQkNN_Q

[bronze jasper]

@golden latch it sold at my local store so bad that they stopped carrying it

[junior torrent]

See the reason why I was asking was because I have no patience to learn art. I've tried. I'm not doing it again. Shame me about it for all I care. I was asking because I want to make a design based on a band I like. I'm barely a writer, not an artist.

Anyways, it's nice to hear about FerretSoftware on the PirateSoftware stream. 🥰

I need to get to bed. Y'all stay peachy.

[gloomy forge]

Heya everyone. Hope everyone has a great day.

[brazen drift]

anyone remember /have a clip of thor's Etrian Oddyssey team name

[wet coral]

Its Ligma.

[brazen drift]

yeah but what was that ships name

garglon?

[knotty marsh]

Gargalon

[wet coral]

I believe so yes.

[terse pelican]

Ye, It was Gargalon

[knotty marsh]

And the party was Dragon, Goblin, Bofa, Dee and Wendy

[gloomy forge]

I hate that Thor ignored Sitton as a name

[brazen drift]

Yeah i could see those names in the one short, just forgot the other two

[knotty marsh]

Kinda close to Sidon

[gloomy forge]

Thanks for ruining the name "Knights of Sidonia" for me. Much appreciated.

[knotty marsh]

You're very welcome

[gloomy forge]

[lapis tartan]

New Thor Lore drop on stream. Thor is conspiring with Thor. Past Thor helped Now Thor with Blockgame. Prepare the drama slop.

[gloomy forge]

I wonder what the job of those knights are now that i'm aware.

[proud depot]

I don't understand the Wendy joke

the rest of them I get

[gloomy forge]

What if

[knotty marsh]

"When these"

[ocean agate]

i cant beleive he is time traveling to cheat time when Khronos isnt around

[gloomy forge]

Thor pays those drama farmers to talk shit about him so he can at some point say "look how things turned out now" I feel once all that drama subsides a lot of people gonna cringe.

I'm sure already half the haters are tired of it and want to move on.

[lapis tartan]

Yes, it'll come full circle. They'll say Thor helped the Drama, then the Drama will say it helped Thor.

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[gloomy forge]

nice that you got me, I felt I was conveying what I wanted to say wrongly and didn't want to cause misunderstandings.

[lapis tartan]

Imagine looking to the past, to then stupid it up with drama hindsight... Anything for content.

[gloomy forge]

you mean the dramafarmers doubling down on their stuff? I can see that happening.

[lapis tartan]

The worst case is the "Thor did a charity? Well, why didn't he donate that to THIS one that I think is better!"

[gloomy forge]

Yeah thats just rediculous.

[lapis tartan]

Just twist anything good for the sake of attention.

[proud depot]

"You guys are all fine, you've been discussing this politely and all, but I'd rather we move on from the topic
It's the same thing every day and getting tiring :YarrBluh:" - Little__Ham, a moderator

[golden latch]

He is coming for the drama

[lapis tartan]

Sorry, it's hard to vent about this out of house, without getting dogpiled on youtube or other servers.

[proud depot]

what even is that?

[gloomy forge]

Yeah true, I thought the moderators meant something specific considering I read through everything but alright. Lets drop this

[golden latch]

A final fantasy tomberry they do max damage always

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-friday-final-fantasy-tonberry-tonberry-king-tonberry-final-fantasy-tonberry-king-gif-434000551880878173

[gloomy forge]

Tomberryking

[knotty marsh]

https://tenor.com/bSxeM.gif

[proud depot]

yeah I know its the only sane place to talk about it, but think of the mods, they don't even have bread!

Think of the carbs they're low on!

[waxen comet]

just give rice

[gray fable]

Tonberrys are inconsistent from my understanding. But could also be them evolving as an enemy in each game.

[gloomy forge]

mod status = malnourised

[gray fable]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-loaf-gif-26074266

[proud depot]

can we make bread out of rice?

[waxen comet]

uuuuhh

probably?

if you mill rice into a flour first

[lapis tartan]

🍞 🍞 🍞 Oops... I just dropped bread here in discord... I'm gonna leave it unattended.

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-yell-yelling-demanding-losing-it-gif-7259096985237877934

[waxen comet]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bread-meme-googly-eyes-lick-gif-4828919955563198017

[knotty marsh]

I think I'm putting the pieces together

Follow me on this

1. the mods aren't allowed bread

2. thor steals from orphans with each TTS

MOD = Malnourished Orphans Division

https://tenor.com/bLLEy.gif

[waxen comet]

or maybe its the massively overweight division

[golden latch]

what if MOD stands for Mods original degenates

[proud depot]

but what does mod stand for in Mods original degenerates?

[golden latch]

Its recursive

[proud depot]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-couch-gag-recursion-copy-gif-15801765505501135459

[ocean agate]

i hate when i see a message and as i am trying to read it, it disappears and says <message deleted by a moderator>. im like oh, guess it didnt catch just my attention

[winged knoll]

personally i just think that it's a blessing to not have to read those messages

perspective i guess

[knotty marsh]

I have HexChat opened, so I can go back and read some messages, so can confirm it's never a good idea

[ocean agate]

i just wish it disappeared before i started reading, no shade on mods just dont like mid word it goes poof

[golden latch]

Stop reading

[ocean agate]

i like responding in chat, expecially to people i feel like might not get a response. i want to make sure they know even if i dont have an answer that someone saw their question

[gritty tartan]

be a true gamer

[golden latch]

I get that i do that here as well

[hazy storm]

You're a more generous chatter than i

[gritty tartan]

Holy morther of heck. No moniker at all.

[golden latch]

They are very upset

[hazy storm]

I don't get it

[gritty tartan]

i think that will be the great exodus

[hazy storm]

Are these all the vtubers that resigned

[gritty tartan]

more than upset I think

[golden latch]

They are all active vshojo members who are removing the affiliation (kinda like a small protest of removing a badge)

If they do more we will see

[idle hill]

OH SHOOT THATS RIGHT
Henya also joined VShojo
isnt Silvervale also a vshojo vt or is she indie

[hazy storm]

Oh ok. Showing solidarity but not quiting yet

[idle hill]

and Matara 💀

[golden latch]

Some are and have already so 🤷‍♀️ we will see

[ocean agate]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT5LMHkEg6runrYJuo/giphy.gif

[gritty tartan]

Don't forget about AmaLee.

[split tulip]

Silver left a while back

[hazy storm]

Someone steer the PS haters to vshojo they seem to deserve it more

[idle hill]

That's right, I remember Silver used to be in vshojo

[golden latch]

Nah no one deserves harassment and death threats and attempts

[gritty tartan]

That's explain a lot about Geega and Zen departure.

[terse pelican]

Let's not hate-train even if we disagree with something

[ocean agate]

horse to water...something something, it dies anyway...i dont remember /s

[idle hill]

The moment you hear "disagreements with staff", you know something's wrong

[terse pelican]

We should, and can do better.

[hazy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-then-whatever-yeah-whatever-whatever-you-say-gif-16932760106198420780

[idle hill]

Once is an accident
Twice is a coincidence
Three times, there's a problem

[earnest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/grab-anime-snatch-gif-16626381

[ocean agate]

i am both interested to know where this is from and horrified to find out

[hazy storm]

Im not even serious about that comment tbf. Vshojo did something terrible to ironmouse but im not immersed in that space and i have no emotional connection

[gritty tartan]

And we all have the goal now https://x.com/R0TLIA/status/1947482672705818794

Celestia 🌸🎀 #MissionIRONSTRONG 7/25 (@R0TLIA)

💜 CALLING ALL STREAMERS! 🩷

Introducing "Mission IRON STRONG". On Friday, 7/25/2025, I urge EVERY STREAMER to go live and fundraise towards the Immune Deficiency Foundation in honor of @ironmouse .

Link the fundraiser in your chats. Make dono goals. Go live. Stand with Mousey.

X · Jul 22, 2025, 2:23 AM

[idle hill]

The point is you shouldn't be making those kinda comments, serious or not

[gritty tartan]

[terse pelican]

It's understandable you were being a bit ''Tongue & cheek'' but, some people will take it seriously

[idle hill]

Nobody deserves that hate

[hazy storm]

Point taken and accepted

[gritty tartan]

Not only to IronMouse, but to all people with similar to her medical condition. It's «a little bit more» than another google doc drama in vtuber space.

[hazy storm]

Yeah, its an issue with real stakes

[gritty tartan]

At least, some good has been done.

[umbral gazelle]

Just woke up

whats going on in the webs today

[ocean agate]

ironmouse left vshojo possible legal action

[umbral gazelle]

Ah

just read up on it

[ocean agate]

Thor's backup hardrives

[fierce bison]

how's it going guys

life's good?

[ocean agate]

im hungry but dont have anything i want and nothing is open yet to order

[fierce bison]

a glass of cold milk works wonders in that situation

[ocean agate]

other than that i am using my food issue as an excuse to not do any work on gamejam game

[idle hill]

same, also don't have money to order lol

once I get paid, it's pizza.

[fierce bison]

you could use it as inspiration to make a game about being hungry