streamchat

[warm trench]

Alts are totaly fine with twitch, big giant nothing burger..

[river cargo]

not really much evidence outside of this one youtuber however

[hasty grail]

how would that change things?

[winged knoll]

Cooldown perhaps

[muted robin]

there's a quote out there about how when people demand you to turn out your pockets to prove you didn't steal anything, it's not because they actually believe you're a thief, it's because they enjoy the power high that comes from being able to accuse you of a crime at any time and force you to be guilty until proven innocent

[carmine sierra]

There really isn't any evidence that it's an alt account or that anything was being hidden

[muted robin]

it was a quote about a specific form of bigotry but i find it highly accurate to this too

[ionic sleet]

well sometimes twitch does have problems when you give subs to yourself etc. so having an alt account is just faster

[hasty grail]

double post

[keen python]

No, that's looking at what I am saying from a bird's-eye view across the entire thing but...you can do even small things to refute claims and give less fuel. I feel like we can agree there are better ways to word your criticism of someone, in fact, Thor stats something similar in his twitter post regarding his comments made towards Ross. I was more thinking of validating and making sure things he said or showed are accurate. I had a discussion like this yesterday on the fridge thing that boiled down to "He should just check the things he shows to argue against hate and criticsm", y'know?

[winged knoll]

Triple post

[carmine sierra]

Pfff

[brisk sparrow]

aight

[winged knoll]

[brisk sparrow]

twice was enough

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-gif-24538653

[waxen comet]

now quadruple it

[warm trench]

I can and did purchase 100 at a time. Just repeat transaction... what the frick is this dumbass flashbang all about?

[brazen drift]

Also once again it's a blurry photo of a discord dm from people who have already made bad faith arguments against Thor. I'm not believing it fir a second

[winged knoll]

you can't peer pressure me

[winged knoll]

It's not blurry

[brisk sparrow]

i hate that "guilty until proven innocent" is the default now

[brazen drift]

The one linked here was

[winged knoll]

the screenshot of the screenshot is blurry

but it's a nothing burger again, lol

[brisk sparrow]

the one that started this conversation

[chrome swallow]

If the screenshot was real then Kronos said himself he was not telling other mods, that's the only thing I find fishy about the situation and him saying he was Kronos's friend

[waxen comet]

can barely see what the image is that was posted

[ionic sleet]

Even Leakers can take higher quality photos. a blurry image is just not credible anymore

[keen python]

Check it on twitter, it isn't really blurry.

[chrome swallow]

But that's if it's real of course

[hasty grail]

test screenshot

[winter sierra]

why does is matter ? donating subs to yourself is 1) normal and 2) not like something you need to hide

[brazen drift]

I don't Have Twitter cuz it's a cespool

[keen python]

It's not lol

[brisk sparrow]

im looking at it right now

its pretty blurry

[waxen comet]

yea your ss is blurry

[ionic sleet]

yea when i zoom its blurry

[hasty grail]

the one i posted was doing a very quick multi screenshot of the same reposted text

[keen python]

check the alt name on twitch

[brazen drift]

open in browser

[hasty grail]

also the quality of the text vs the rest of the image

[chrome swallow]

It would be blurry because it's a screenshot of a twitch Livestream I'm guessing

[hasty grail]

it should be somewhat comparable

[ionic sleet]

okay test SS is blurry the other isn't

[pulsar kestrel]

is the vod showing this dm photoshopped too?

[brisk sparrow]

doesnt exist because its older than 60 days

[wind hare]

thats so stupid, so he maxed out at 100 and needed to use another account because twitch has a limit

[carmine sierra]

Is the limit on sub gifts a time-restricted thing or just a per-purchase thing?

[wind hare]

100% nothing

[brazen drift]

Man look at that Artifacting :3

[river cargo]

The screenshot literally mentions "don't mention the mods" so can we just get a mod in here to clarify?

[winged knoll]

Don't need to, just a nothing burger

[brazen drift]

Wher is the artifacting here?

[ionic sleet]

I love how people are in a Fit over Thor paying his mods

[muted robin]

also is "making a crapload of malicious claims against someone and demanding proof of every single one in order to prove they're not true" sealioning or is it some other logical falacy

[carmine sierra]

I think that would count as sealioning

[muted robin]

i think there's a related logical fallacy involving overwhelming a debate opponent with so many arguments they can't address them all in a reasonable period but i'm not sure

[carmine sierra]

Constant demands for evidence

[carmine sierra]

That's gish galloping

[hasty grail]

its one where you fling enough crap that they have to defend against that you overwhelm them with crap

[waxen comet]

its the internet equivalent of filing 20 lawsuits at one person and hope that one sticks

[supple cedar]

Artifacting happens due to video compression—especially on Twitch or Discord streams, which use aggressive compression to save bandwidth.

A screenshot of a livestream of a stream is basically compression on top of compression, so of course it’s going to have some blurry text, color smearing, or blockiness. That’s normal.

None of that is actual evidence of manipulation or “photoshopping.” It's just the nature of lossy video codecs.

[red halo]

Even if that was the case, it's because Khronos is basically paying the mods too aswell, 50% of that train went to the mods

[winged knoll]

Yeah 😅 , we all kinda know you can't really have a world records hypetrain without coordination

[ionic sleet]

or they have some overlap which requires more work to set the chain of events

[muted robin]

it's also a reversal of the burden of proof, because the way it actually works is that if you make a claim against someone it falls on you to prove it's true and not on them to prove that it's fault. and i don't think a single blurry screenshot from a person with a single tweet on their account counts as proof

[river cargo]

but only the text has compression

[brisk sparrow]

people forget that if you claim someone did something, you have to prove without a doubt that its true, the other person doesn't need to prove that its false

[warm trench]

There is no limit to purchasing subs, other than the max quantity at a time. Once transaction is complete, buy more.

[keen python]

well, sealioning isn't really a logical fallacy it's just a poor form of argumentation, at least in the context of debate.

[brisk sparrow]

only limit is your bank

[muted robin]

especially since even if the vod got delted, the person who made the tweet had to have gotten it from a copy of the vod, so if that's the case why didn't they just post the clip of the vod instead of an alleged screenshot of the vod

[winged knoll]

So accusing Thor of organizing an event is kind of dumb

[carmine sierra]

Sealioning isn't a fallacy so much as a way of trolling without looking like you're trolling

[winter sierra]

i mean i assume it was just to be nice to the mods because obviously it would give them a bonus. but tbh i do want clarification even if i support donating subs to yourself

[warm trench]

Sealioning is the adult version of But Why?

[sudden drum]

They did show the clip of the vod

[ionic sleet]

there actually is but not by twitch. your credit card company will flag you which will cause problems

[river cargo]

but why didn't they just clip the vod?

[supple cedar]

Compression targets sharp contrast edges. Text is sharp contrast. That’s why it artifacts more. Congrats, you just discovered how video codecs work.

[warm trench]

That is correct, but not a function of twitch preventing you.

Vods go away in 60 days anyway

[river cargo]

it was up for 2 months, they had time

[carmine sierra]

I think YouTube streams over twelve hours don't get saved either?
Not entirely sure on that one

[hasty grail]

past the 12hr mark, gets weird

[ionic sleet]

if they had the screenshot now, why didn't they take a clip back then?

[river cargo]

they chose not to clip it and just used a screenshot? that's convenient for a hitpiece

[brisk sparrow]

moreso anything after 11:55:55 (or something like that) isnt saved

[brazen drift]

Also if this happened DURING the Stream, either a lot more of his community would be angry, OR, they ALSO thought it was funny.

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of times where older VODs just weren't there on YouTube, and everything left is below twelve
So I think it just doesn't store it at all if it goes too long

[chrome swallow]

He showed a clip of the stream

[brisk sparrow]

especially because he was searching something, it wouldve been there a while

[river cargo]

yes, the sloptuber somehow got access to the "vod" but the original person on twitter didn't clip it

[brisk sparrow]

was a URL shown or title shown that we could use to verify?

[soft vector]

Sadly I suspect there are people with no lives watching every single vod trying to find any gotcha possible

[brazen drift]

also I know stuff gets artifacted blah blah but Why is this section worse than the others for the artifact?

[half wigeon]

This one seems to have less artifact, but really this all seems so sus and fake. AI is crazy these days

[late bane]

Im that but minus the gotcha

[brisk sparrow]

its still blurry as shit

[carmine sierra]

At the end of the day, the worst this amounts to is "Thor and Khronos donated to the hype train to try and help themselves beat a record"
It's a massive nothing burger

[winged knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920152399941861457/1168171367636676618/1142914651835875400.gif

[twin fox]

anyone else investing into a popcorn factory, this content is gold.

[winged knoll]

Yeah same thoughts

[keen python]

Well, in a sense yes but people latch onto "burden of proof" as if it's tossed between two parties. You are responsible for backing up every claim you make, regardless of if it is a claim made to accuse someone or a claim made to refute someone else's claim.

Thor doesn't need to respond to this tweet but if he does, I hope he has validated stuff for it.

[hasty grail]

its content slop

[river cargo]

the sloptuber's vid is gone....strange

we have no way to further verify lol

[brisk sparrow]

hes not gonna respond to a "oneguy" tweet lmao

[hasty grail]

REALLY?!?!?!

[river cargo]

what a scammer

[supple cedar]

so the information about how artifacting works gets posted, so now its AI?

[wispy plover]

I'm amazed at how much lower the drama farmers sink to every day. God this is stupid.

[winged knoll]

haha

[hasty grail]

im calling it cheap photoshop

[carmine sierra]

I call it irrelevant

[real cradle]

what the actual hell? They have a problem with that?

[pulsar notch]

photoshop really co-opted the term for editing images 😭

[supple cedar]

im not even worried about whats inside the image

[pulsar kestrel]

all he had to do was cast frost nova

[hasty grail]

man, i love having klenix around to use when my nose has issues

[supple cedar]

its just the context about video compression and image editing im invested in lol

[waxen comet]

all im thinking is if this really is a big problem

[river cargo]

mods get him, then debunk the new drama 🙂

[carmine sierra]

I think it's best to take a step back when you're digging in the weeds like that

[brisk sparrow]

i mean "photoshop" basically a genericized trademark at this point, akin to kleenex

[carmine sierra]

And ask yourself what the initial claim even is

[warm trench]

Hypetrain is no official competition - its a CASH cow really for twitch. There is "bragging rights" but who the heck holds any stock in that. Of the THOUSANDS of views contributing, no way Thor and even Mods contribution would not even matter compared to the sum of everyone else.

[twin fox]

earnest man... yea k... not sure at this point

[pulsar notch]

and it makes me cry every time

[carmine sierra]

You can always find one detail or another to nitpick over
So instead of doing that, look at the big picture
What did they say, and what does it imply
What's the overall point of this whole thing
Most of the time, digging in on individual minutiae is just a distraction to keep the conversation going

It's the fridge all over again

[river cargo]

wow u looking to speedrun ur ban from here lol

[twin fox]

yea i got the clock going

[pulsar kestrel]

criticism = directly to jail

[carmine sierra]

Insults aren't criticism

[muted robin]

have you watched any of his content outside of the clips used for drama? esp ones from >a year ago? be honest

[brazen drift]

how do i tell when an account on twitch was created

[supple cedar]

i've seen all of it from every side and don't give a shit about any of it I just want to talk to people about things

[brisk sparrow]

maybe under the account name in chat? like when they send a message. dunno otherwise

[keen python]

twithc tracker

I checked

[muted robin]

actually i think photoshop is making an effort to not have "photoshop" be the lexicon for image editing, because if a word is widely used enough for generic applications it becomes unable ot be trademarked/copyrighted/something else i'm not sure of. let me look it up to check

[keen python]

https://twitchtracker.com/serendipitousbean

"created April 1, 2025", not an accusation, just what it says there

[late bane]

So the new drama is Kronos donated during the 2nd April attempt?

[hasty grail]

yea

[winged knoll]

i wouldn't even call it drama

[late bane]

The one that was split 50 50 with the mods

[brazen drift]

...

Bro

[late bane]

Sounds like he was just helping his employees

[winged knoll]

Just more attempt to create more slops

[hasty grail]

anyways

[winged knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920152399941861457/1168171367636676618/1142914651835875400.gif

[hasty grail]

are we clear to move on from this?

[distant rapids]

Slop farmers want that cash

[winged knoll]

[carmine sierra]

I'd say we're past that point, but yes 😛

[brazen drift]

also tho yeah i dont care enough

[muted robin]

i found an article compiling instances of this, but not a direct link to adobe guidelines actually saying such 80.lv/articles/adobe-disapproves-of-the-use-of-photoshop-as-a-verb-or-noun

[brazen drift]

I watch Ray Narveas and he gifts 100 subs all the time in his own hype trains so

[hasty grail]

open question to people: best and worst games that they played this year?

[muted robin]

huh the hyperlink isn't workin

[brazen drift]

this literally is just to make pea brains angry and i wont fall for it

[keen python]

I found the account itself

[late bane]

Going back to bed, wake me when we get real drama like Thor eating on stream

[pulsar notch]

best: replaying half-life 2
worst: destiny 2

[chrome swallow]

Nightreign and expedition 33 are amazing

[red halo]

Or mods getting bread

[muted robin]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/genericide

[brazen drift]

Also this isn't some kinda gacha, if thor showed this on stream then literally the entire stream saw it and it wasnt "leaked"

[hasty grail]

oh spicy

[distant rapids]

Thor exposed: he consumes food and is not a program! More at 11.

[hazy storm]

Donated to what?

[winged knoll]

best is e33
no worst so far

[late bane]

Nay you see, that's like Mandy smiling, mods getting bread unravels the universe

[carmine sierra]

Hey guys, a guy on the internet said Thor does not program! See, we told you he wasn't working on his game! /s

[winged knoll]

just scroll up, no need to rehash as it's a nothing burger

[hasty grail]

btw what i asked is for any game, does not matter if the game was released this year

[glad kettle]

Best: Balatro.
Worst: dunno. didnt play bad games this year

[late bane]

Hype train where 50% went to the other mods

[hazy storm]

Ok yeah nothing burger

[distant rapids]

Oh man, i tried both balatro and noita this year. I dont know which is better.

[brazen drift]

lmfao yeah like. this was them, coordinating, to PAY THE MODS?

how SCANDELOUS

[waxen comet]

best: palworld
worst: marvel rivals

[hasty grail]

thats fair

[chrome swallow]

Best: DBD Worst: DBD, only correct answer

[winged knoll]

how dare you

[toxic rampart]

I could get that totally.
They made it... better (??) than when it first released but unless you're in the mood for a time sync and loop, it is a slog.

[late bane]

I dropped like 3k in that one too

[hasty grail]

best: modded Mechwarrior 5 Mercs
worst: Atomfall

[hazy storm]

Best: hard space shipbreaker
Worst: vermintide

[winged knoll]

3k usd?

or 3k bits

[distant rapids]

Worst for my wallet: umamusume (not really i havent spent a dollar in the game lel)

[golden latch]

Best game i played was usurper so far, worst a game called tiny breakers camp (not enough game )

[keen python]

Well, assumedly it would be taken as them coordinating to break that record.

Again, taken as, not was.

[carmine sierra]

Best... Probably some of the gameplay segments of FFXIV
Worst, no idea, can't really think of anything I played this year that I disliked

[late bane]

3k$ on them and 1500 in fees as I was on mobile

[winged knoll]

oh yeah i'd have to put Umamusume for worst, i'm sorry horse girls enjoyer but i dislike the career gameplay

[hasty grail]

stormblood

[carmine sierra]

And even then, so what
There's zero stakes riding on that record

[winged knoll]

holyshit i don't even make 3k / month

[keen python]

Beyond it being a milestone, yeah.

[late bane]

I won't say what I make as that might be rude lol

[waxen comet]

hey man a game where your pc performance is terrible is bound to be the "worst" game you played

[carmine sierra]

And if Thor and the mods are willing to sink their own money into Bezos' pocket to break it, then so be it

[brazen drift]

best game ive played so far this year is Repo (im a lil late to the party) and the worst game is my hero ultra rumble ones justice 2 that someone gifted me even though i hate fighting games

[keen python]

Why?

[soft vector]

The record is going to be really hard to Beat without having someone matching subs

[winged knoll]

99% of world records are intended attempt, there's mostly no accident, so if they intend to break record it's fair to assume coordinations are required, no?

[carmine sierra]

Because it's not uncommon for anyone else who does hype trains like this, and it's a completely irrelevant and low-stakes record in the first place

[late bane]

At this point yeah its way to high

The sub match alone was insane

[winged knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/887776398712905739/1071608355170295878/skate.gif?width=691&height=230

[river cargo]

literally nothing against it

[chrome swallow]

My friend made me buy Space Marines 2 and I don't like it -$60 😢

[late bane]

Under 2h?

[chrome swallow]

PS5 rip

[late bane]

Rip

[keen python]

Fair to assume sure but, people won't. We just saw earlier how tons of people didn't.

[keen python]

How is it not uncommon? I've not heard of that being done often.

[carmine sierra]

Others have said in this conversation, a lot of streamers donate subs to their own chat during big hype trains

[late bane]

Looks like there is a double team going on. Attacking Twitch subs in streamchat and the fridge in general.

[carmine sierra]

It's them pitching in with their community and giving back a bit

[winged knoll]

Even Dougdoug paid his own subs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nr1Ns9khYA

[keen python]

I think i've just not seen it happen in stream IG

[winged knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nr1Ns9khYA

check this one out then

[carmine sierra]

Thor also has the bits counter on his stream, and gifts a bunch of subs when it fills

[toxic rampart]

Best: Ultrakill (All years, every year I will take no questions)
Also best: Abiotic Factor (Even in EA)

No worst. Only shades of "eeeeh" from a couple of things.

[keen python]

Yeah this is gifting subs

[chrome swallow]

Back in the peak of fortnite a lot of big streamers I watched back then would donate hundreds of subs to each other everyday, I don't really see the difference. Just click bait

[keen python]

Through his channel right? or through an alt?

[carmine sierra]

You can do it with either

[keen python]

I just wanna know for what DougDoug did

[warm trench]

His channel account won't count, but someone gets a free month....

[carmine sierra]

Khronos and Thor had already done it on their mains, I'm guessing Khronos was doing more on an alt as a surprise/gift to the mods, since they were getting a revenue cut of the train as a bonus
Hence "Don't tell the mods" after it

[keen python]

Is there a limit for how much you can give during a hype train?

[warm trench]

No

[keen python]

Awesome

[carmine sierra]

As far as I know, only limits for single purchases

[warm trench]

Well, until you run out of your own money/credit

[river cargo]

yeah that explains the final part

otherwise no reason to do it on an alt

checks out

also just the most low stakes bs they have left

[carmine sierra]

Ye

[soft vector]

It's imo the dumbest one yet

[carmine sierra]

We've broken the bottom of the barrel and started tunneling through the floor

[brisk sparrow]

weve been in the floor for a while at this point

[carmine sierra]

Honestly yeah

[keen python]

I thought people were saying it was photoshopped, wouldn't the text in the message not matter anyway?

[brazen drift]

No there IS a limit to how much you can give during a hype train

Its just that limit is imposed by your bank

[carmine sierra]

I'm going off the assumption that it's true until proven otherwise

Because even then the end result is a nothing burger

[winged knoll]

https://youtu.be/9nr1Ns9khYA?si=HI6oTOXuTM1eoCFb&t=311

[brazen drift]

Cuz I REMEMBER that one guy who was donting like an absolutel MAD MAN and then said "sorry my bank called me because they think im spending too much"

[winged knoll]

there's a 100 limit here

[muted robin]

best game i've played recently is bg3. worst game i've played recently is none

[brazen drift]

i was like 10k USD he had given

[muted robin]

but i haven't really played games besides bg3, minecraft, gw2, and a smidge of oblivion in the past year

[hasty grail]

if it was edited then its beyond slop, its actual framing

[brisk sparrow]

twitch has a limit of how many at once

but not total

[warm trench]

Then how did I sub 300 on a single train if there was a limit.

[hasty grail]

which is worse

[river cargo]

sucks because you can't sue him unless you've got concrete proof

[hasty grail]

alright, i think i finally have at least this done

[brazen drift]

did you gift 300 subs in ONE gift, or 300 Total in the duration of the train

Cuz yesterday for thors birthday I was hearing pretty much exclusively "100 gifted, thank you"

"ANOTHER hundred gifted, incredibly generous"

ect ect

[soft vector]

There were at least 2 that gifted 777

[brazen drift]

Man i musta been asleep orz

[warm trench]

The message train - looks like there is confusion with the terms per hypetrain and per transaction... 100 per transaction with twitch. A hypetrain is not a transaction.

[wispy plover]

Max at one time on twitch is 100. That means "per purchase" so to speak.

[late bane]

Seemed right

[wispy plover]

You can turn around and immediately do another 100 though

[warm trench]

yes

[wispy plover]

Like there's nothing stopping you... cept your bank

[brazen drift]

yeah the limit is your bank telling you they think you've been compromised

[late bane]

I was hoping a 3rd would hit 777 with us XD

[wispy plover]

That's still an insane amount when you think about it

[late bane]

Correct

[brazen drift]

also i did scroll back VERY far and the vod for 2025's april hyptrain was Immediately deleted

[carmine sierra]

It doesn't seem to keep VODs for streams over twelve hours

[brazen drift]

cuz there were people asking where it was on the 2nd

[late bane]

Or past 2 months

[carmine sierra]

So less "immediately deleted" and more it was never saved

[keen python]

Was there a reason why?

[carmine sierra]

Or are you talking about Twitch?

[warm trench]

I mean, I certainly appreciate what Thor does, I can't contribute for a while now - and don't feel I need to. I don't agree with approach Thor takes sometimes, but why should I? At times, I can agree to disagree. I think Thor is fine at what he does, I don't sense deception and I'm not worried.

[brazen drift]

I saw some talking about youtube eating vods, so it was probably that one that got eaten

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, probably

[winter sierra]

^

[carmine sierra]

They just have a built-in limit on the allowed length

[brazen drift]

and then the april one just sorta. vanished two months later

as per twitches shenans

[carmine sierra]

Twitch only keeps VODs for 60 days

[warm trench]

60 day max twitch side storage

[carmine sierra]

Yeah

So either way, this wasn't a "coverup" or whatever

[winged knoll]

https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/hype-train-guide?language=en_US

There seems to be a time requirement for hypetrain

[chrome swallow]

I'm in the same boat, at the end of the day he helps a whole lot more than he hurts no matter how you look at it.

[winter sierra]

i disagree on plenty of small things. i dont really even watch his streams too much im a ferret person :>

[carmine sierra]

Just the systems he streams on doing what they do normally

[warm trench]

Unless being farmed for out of context, then nuked from orbit.

[river cargo]

If youtube ate the vod, it should still be on twitch

which doesn't explain why this person didn't clip it then

[soft vector]

I don't think anyone agrees with Thor 100%, we are just capable of conversations

[warm trench]

A time requirement for what?

[winged knoll]

To increase the hypetrain level

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, that's just how hype trains work

[winged knoll]

so you would have to continously sub in increment of 5 minutes apparently

[brisk sparrow]

that hasnt changed since they were introduced, aside from them increasing the max level (and recently uncapping it)

[brazen drift]

yeah thor has stated that each level gets harder and harder

[winged knoll]

so it make sense to keep your ammo around the end of the timer

[brazen drift]

aka, more subs are required

[warm trench]

It's the shear amount of subs/bits - each level increases quite an amount between levels. So, given a possible steady state influx, the time to complete each level is longer. The time given to complete is the same.

[wispy plover]

Risky cus of delays, but yes

[brisk sparrow]

theres no benefit to waiting until the time is almost up

[brazen drift]

so if like. level 10 you need 100 subs to complete, level 11 would be like 111 subs sorta stuff

not ACCURATE NUMBERS BTW

[brisk sparrow]

just more risk of latency

[brazen drift]

just like its Incrimental

[warm trench]

Any other time issues is the API/System insufficiently being able to scale out - sh*ts on itself.

[brisk sparrow]

actually, the first time we set the record twitch API actually broke down so hard that the UI that thor made broke too.

the train necroed probably 4-5 times

[warm trench]

There were at least it seemed 3 train resurrections during the 106 run..

[brisk sparrow]

though its been signifigantly improved since then

[fathom stone]

Yep...and twitch fixed it. Sort of...I am not sure with the vedal strean...

[brisk sparrow]

since it didnt necro once during Neuro's record

[warm trench]

PirateSoftware mind you had 2 other back to back breaking of records before the 106 run

[fathom stone]

He did. And all three set him in tears

[muted robin]

fr like literally?

[fathom stone]

Yes

[warm trench]

Because of the these runs, twitch make hypetrains infinite.

[brisk sparrow]

we juggled with... frick i forget the streamers name,

[muted robin]

damn :( i mean good tears but still

[fathom stone]

Ever seen a grown man cry in a banana suit? I have.

[brisk sparrow]

they made them infinite in secret IIRC

oh wait

[muted robin]

also wasn't there a vod that had to do with a hype train that got deleted bc people clipped it out of context to go "look thor is crapping all over this other streamer saying he's better bc he has a bigger hype train" or something

[brisk sparrow]

i think they increased the cap to 999 because people kept hitting the cap

[muted robin]

i wasn't active in here back then but i swear i saw a ping from an announcement about it

[brisk sparrow]

oh yeah no it was done in secret. i think it was 99 an just as far as you could push before

then the record is when we found out it was uncapped

[warm trench]

it used to be 55 and 670% or something like that. Here is the RUB. Hypetrain velocity can be set by the streamer - easy/ normal / hard essentially. It decreases/increases next level calcs.

[brisk sparrow]

no it was 50 not 99 wasnt it?

[warm trench]

55 was the cap

[brisk sparrow]

ye that sounds right

[warm trench]

the percentage went above 100 at 55..

But between all 3 modes, they intersect at some point and literally it becomes near exponential each level at some point.

At least, that's how they used to work

[lapis tartan]

Yeah, to me it's like... "Ignore all the good over here and just focus on these very common and boring human flaws! Point at the human everyone! He has... OPINIONS!"

[wispy plover]

I know. All these people and their gotchas. Wish you'd gotcha self a frickin job before you came in here with that shit.

[brisk sparrow]

thats a good one

[reef geyser]

It's the unfortunate reality of human social evolution rearing its head. You could have a bunch of little things that no one cares about, tiny nothings. But once people "decide" that someone is "bad", they do that thing that boycotters do, where it's not good enough for just them to stop shopping at a store, no, they don't want anyone else to either, regardless of what other people think or want. They want to project their conclusion onto the world, and force the store out of business.

So they take all those little nothings, and turn them into somethings, and the most negative possible perception of each of those things becomes projected as the "only acceptable conclusion" and all dissent is silenced.

It's a dogma of hate and forced ostracization.

[lapis tartan]

It's as if people are discovering or just ignoring the basics of being human. Just to tear down a guy who's trying to do better and help those around him and ferrets. I got into online drama debates over ferrets... Their argument is "You know they're just weasels that don't live long, right?" By that "logic" why do we care about hamsters then? Or what's the relationship with parrots that live for 80-90 years? Are we the pets then?

[reef geyser]

Yep, and right in line with what I was talking about. One of the hallmarks that is a big tell for when you're talking to someone who isn't genuine in their conclusion aginst someone, is when they don't relent on the neutral things. The ferrets should be a complete neutral at worst, and obvious positive at best.

When they go out of their way to minimize the positive impact of something like an ANIMAL RESCUE, that's when you know you're talking to someone who doesn't actually care about all the points they bring. It's all secondary to them. The main goal is just to do whatever it takes to destroy their "villain."

[muted robin]

honestly going by a lot of the critiques i feel like a lot of people genuinely never/barely heard of thor before jumping on the hate train and most of them haven't watched any of his content besides just cherrypicked stuff

which is honestly part of why i still support thor. aside from the fact that most of the drama is manufactured, it's also the fact that none of the drama actually touches the reasons that i like him as a content creator/leader, and if anything the collected content of thor's channel disproves everything the drama is trying to prove yknow?

[lapis tartan]

Yes, at this rate, further discussion should have a focus on noticing patterns and avoiding falling into such dramas. These dramas would be less dramatic, if people knew better than to fall for drama slop. Which is also why I respect Thor, it's for the community he's trying to make here.

[muted robin]

like people can tell me all they want that thor is misinformed/misunderstands SKG for example, but when thor is a guy who constantly spreads "trust but verify," has debunked/investigated/clarified multiple panic reactions to various TOS controversies, and said in a coaching interview that his reaction to situations is always to catch his emotional reaction, examine why he feels that way, then react if what he's feeling has a logical basis............ i'm sorry but it's just impossible to believe any drama farmer who tries to paint him as an obstinate donkey that refuses to read or understand anything

[muted robin]

so to me then it becomes "yeah maybe he has a bad take, i don't know enough about games/laws/politics to say, but i at least know that he believes what he believes because he's shown time and time again when no controversies were on the line that he's a measured individual who thinks before he acts"

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-transformation-summon-gif-17514086

[muted robin]

or at the very least "idk if his take is good or bad but it's consistent with what i've seen him talk about in multiple shorts/pants so at least he has principles"

people underestimate how much ethos has to do with supporting a person

[lapis tartan]

https://youtu.be/ctrN11xHOT0?t=3795

This still gets me. "Don't feel that way because you're just a fan of me."

[reef geyser]

Additionally, for anyone who has ever watched him in a gameplay stream, he lacks one of the huge red flags of an arrogant or god-complex figure. Quite often he will be doing something some way, someone in chat will tell him there's a better way, or that something he thinks he needs to do is actually unnecessary, whatever it may be in the situation. And he may even initially disagree, but when he tries it, is shown it works the other way, he immediately relents.

Typical arrogant behavior tries very hard to preserve its projected superiority by saying this or that excuse for why they never did it the better way, to try and paint it like they always knew but just never did it. He doesn't do that. Just says, "oh wow, yeah that works, I'm gonna do that from now on."

It may seem small, but those little things are big windows that debunk the whole arrogance claims.

[muted robin]

people: "he's spreading misinformation to his audience who trust him as a programming/hacking/gaming authority!!!!"
me: "he literally has multiple shorts saying that you should look things up and form your own opinion instead of letting someone esle tell you what to think and also that when you have all of human knowledge at your fingertips you should consult it before making claims/accusations"

[winter sierra]

thor is a rare case of "don't listen to me please do your own research"

and thats good

[subtle gate]

that and his take on how Asmondgold is okay for not liking Dune because it's not for all players

[distant rapids]

Yeah like, i dont like dune. But i solve that by... not playing it and living my life normally

[reef geyser]

This comes from people who were introduced to him via shorts, saw very short bits of him explaining something, saw how concise and entertaining it was, and then their internal assumptions did the thing that our lizard brains do and went, "screen man taught me thing, screen man is smart man".

Not because he has massive expert knowledge about these things, nor does he project that, but if you're a total layman, then he DOES know more than you, and his shorts exposure went far beyond just gamedev circles, into wide swaths of laymen.

The lizardbrain response only cares about binary. "Is screen man more smart or less smart than me on thing". On average, because of the wide reach, he was more knowledgeable than people who saw the shorts. So the lizardbrain assumption just put him into a catch-all bin of "people who know more about dev than I do". And people who lacked critical thinking skills, or didn't seek out additional context, internalized that as "he smart genius man, biggest smart of all!" And put the blame of that on him.

[jolly sky]

Precisely this. None of these people who are trying to attack him and put him down, have been completely unable to bring him down as a person, and only for "reasons" completely unconnected to what I've seen from him for almost 2 years.

I feel like there's a break in a lot of these peoples brains that hate to see someone doing well based off of, well just being a decent damn dude from everything I've seen, and nothing I have seen him do, or anything from these drama leeches has changed that in my eyes.

[muted robin]

honestly maybe this is just my autism speaking but i don't understand the equation between "man speaks with authority on thing" = "man is implying he's the only one right about everything" bc i feel like again, it's inconsistent with how thor behaves in wider contexts and i also feel like that's a wild/uncharitable accusation to make. like. okay a guy speaks confidently in his field of expertise, guess that makes him a narcissistic jerk

if it's something in his tone then i'm too autistic either to notice or to care 😂

[reef geyser]

It's sort of that, but with a different locus.

It's the shot the dog effect. Once someone shoots the dog, it's VERY easy to get people to hate on any aspect of that person. Successful businessman? You go dude, get your bag. He shot a dog? Not only do I hate him now, but I also want him to lose his success. Even though the shooting of the dog isn't connected to his actions of succeeding in business, I don't care. I want him to be hurt by any avenue available, as punishment for shooting the dog.

People all throughout history have exploited this element of human psychology to reach their goals. The Crusades are a massive example. Convince mobs of people of a perceived moral slight, and you can get them to kill for you.

For these people, they were convinced that SKG was a dog, and therefore being against it was not morally allowed.

[frail quartz]

I see that you're saying he's not arrogant and is open to players finding better ways to play the game, but what about the whole "bad coding" debacle? He was disproven and doubled down on it. Where seems to me he's focusing on irrelevant details rather than acknowledging the core issue.

[chrome elm]

So I was playing rematch and someone said I got weak numbers wat that mean

[reef geyser]

The opposite in fact. It's the people calling out his "bad code" that are the ones focusing on irrelevant details.

[muted robin]

the bad coding made by a C++ dev from the financial sector critiquing game-maker code?

[carmine sierra]

He didn't double down on the code, he gave his reasoning for why he did what he did at the time
What he doubled down on was a refusal to refactor it, because it's not worth the dev time it would take at this stage of development

[muted robin]

i'm sure that person is very high authority and definitely qualified

[jolly sky]

Explaining his perspective and reasoning =/= doubling down.

[carmine sierra]

https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1945278333651927499

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware)

@oxcrowx We had some wild issues on super poor hardware in the beginning. This weird implementation fixed all that and it's been stable since 2018. Hell the 1.4 version still works today.

Would updating that make it more efficient?
Probably.

Does it need to be updated?
No.

X · Jul 16, 2025, 12:24 AM

[frail quartz]

Hmm, interesting. I've just been seeing YouTube shorts so I'm interested to know what the 'other side' opinion is, because I see you all wholeheartedly supports Thor and it does seem interesting to me.

[jolly sky]

If he was "doubling down" he would just say "no its not shit, go away"

[muted robin]

i love how people dunk on thor for being arrogant and unable to take criticism then will turn around and go "yes random youtuber everything critical you say about thor must be true"

[steep ravine]

Remember it runs on a smart fridge

[carmine sierra]

The fridge thing is irrelevant

[muted robin]

[carmine sierra]

It was a throwaway quick example to support a point that's true with or without it

[keen python]

I think this is a bit comparable to some of the ways he handled it in other contexts, like streams.

[reef geyser]

I'm happy to give it. But it's going to be a wall. Standby

[frail quartz]

He did collaborate with another game developer didn't he? The whole criticism is valid though coming from another programmer, regardless of their positon, it still is programming, not game design that he's critiquing.

[steep ravine]

but its cool it ran on a smart fridge

[muted robin]

hm. two new accounts who joined today exactly. where the first time i'm seeing them talk is about drama taking a stance against thor

[jolly sky]

Not as far as I'm aware

[carmine sierra]

And the overwhelming majority of the criticisms were Thor working around GML 1.4 jank, which Thor explained and was promptly ignored

[slate kindle]

mirrored*

[muted robin]

at least the trolls are starting to be clever enough to take roles before they start sealioning, it makes them look a little more authentic

[muted robin]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[carmine sierra]

But also, again we're getting into the weeds on this, so back up for a second

[muted robin]

i give these accounts an hour tops before their attention span slips and they just start saying "mana gem mana gem mana gem meat riders doubling down how dare you silence me for having a different opinion blizzard blizzard blizzard"

[frail quartz]

I joined here like 3 months ago but left, joined again to have a genuine conversation but getting called a troll. But I do understand that y'all have your guards up and I can't imagine the amount of actual trolls and legitimately shit people on here

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, sorry if you're catching some strays because of that

[jolly sky]

One Youtube drama slop monster in particular has used every opportunity to make his code seem worse than it actually is, and that dude didn't even know he was looking at GM code and not C++, and ran a benchmark on decompiled code to make the game look like it performs worse than it actually does

[brazen drift]

There was literally a guy yesterday who ghosted us mid conversation and then came back like an hour later and when he still couldn't "disuade us" or whatever it was he resorted to calling us meat riders lmfao

[carmine sierra]

This is criticism of the code optimization of a small almost-solo-dev RPG that hardly requires computer resources even as it is
The criticisms have been explained by their target, and he's also explained the reasonings for the things they're criticizing and why there's not much to be done about it at this time
On top of that, none of this criticism matters or would have been made at all if it wasn't profitable to throw yourself into the current drama cycle in the first place

[brazen drift]

So yeah we're a little on edge of fresh accounts with the sprouts next to them

[frail quartz]

No worries lol

[brazen drift]

ESPECIALLY if its both a fresh account, AND newly joined to the server.

[distant rapids]

I remember a troll started up convo and was so sincere and then they got automodded because they started dropping slurs like even the mod that popped in to say what happened was a lil surprised

[supple cedar]

I had a message almost the exact same to this when I rejoined lmao

[jolly sky]

I'd bet that 90% of the people who "suddenly care" about Heartbound and its code didn't actually give a shit or even know about it before Youtubers hopped onto the Drama slop $$$ machine

[carmine sierra]

And then when Thor said the criticisms didn't apply for the version of GML he was using at the time, the guy pulled up the current version of GML to "disprove" those statements

When like
You can look up the patch notes
Structs weren't added to GML until 2020
Heartbound's core framework was made in 2017-18

[river cargo]

no he collabed with an actual gamemaker game dev, in fact most of the issues come from that game dev and not coding jesus(but it's still coding jesus' responsibility since it's his video)

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-23185650

wat

[carmine sierra]

Yep

That was the second video

[warm trench]

Thor has not changed the code since the old versions... so..

[carmine sierra]

Thor left a comment on the first explaining reasoning for the things being criticized
And that was the guy's response to the comment

[jolly sky]

Good lord

[distant rapids]

Lmaooo i dont think that guy (not thor) has 20 years of coding experience at all. Thats a rookie mistake

[jolly sky]

No wonder he deleted his OG twitter account and made a new one

[carmine sierra]

So not only does he not understand the differences between coding languages, he also doesn't understand version history

[distant rapids]

Like I'm a script kiddie and even miecraft taught me more about versions

[jolly sky]

From what I've seen he has 5. With that being in Finance programming

Which again is just a big red flag of "Wtf are you on about"

[brazen drift]

Im sure that guy got torn apart by coders who aren't even on the thor train in any capacity

[distant rapids]

I bet this mf'er opens up excel and feels like hackerman

[jolly sky]

https://xcancel.com/vvitchomen/status/1943383163495158194?t=Boo2N8b_eN14Fb4Jky2M5w

Oh yea, they did.

And others

[brazen drift]

See THAT is karma

You be a hate monger eventually its gonna come back around to you

[tight bramble]

Im considering leaving the subreddit. It has become a tar pit.....

[carmine sierra]

But yeah, Thor's response to the coding drama has basically been
"The code's not perfect, it was made that way for a reason that applies then but doesn't really apply now, but it's also not worth refactoring and overhauling when the game is almost done and just needs dialogue"

[jolly sky]

And I don't see how that doesn't make any sense to some people

[carmine sierra]

Because clearly the code is so bad that implementing the dialogue is going to slow him down
So he should...spend even more time overhauling the entire framework that the game is built on, which itself is still functional and runs fine for a game of this size

[jolly sky]

Like, that is an easy

"Oh, ok cool yep that's fine" and just like, move on

[carmine sierra]

You'd think so

[brazen drift]

nono, rehaul the ENTIRE GAME and change the game engine while you're at it /j

[tight bramble]

Also, Day 14 tonight!

[carmine sierra]

Day 14 of what?

[subtle gate]

the only thing I'll disagree with Thor over is that sleep schedule

[carmine sierra]

(I'm not one to talk tho)

[tight bramble]

14 streams in a row of gifting yt memberships.

[carmine sierra]

Oh neat

[brazen drift]

I wonder if i got a sleep DLC a little early this year cuz i had a 5 hour nap and felt MAZING when i woke up, but then i just went back to bed because i was mad the one time i set an alarm to go to the store like my parents always beg me to, is the one day they say "nah we're not leavng this early"

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I guess if it works, it works. Undertale is dogshit under the hood, but they’re not judged harshly. However I still think that Thor's response is dismissive and acted like the critiques were baseless or malicious. Honestly, I think the idea of "Yeah, the code is shit, it's been built on for years and that's just how it is", instead of trying to explain the technical sides of every little thing the code does can go a long way.

I'm like walking on eggshells while typing this btw but I know y’all probably get trolls and drama bait daily 24/7, so I get it lol

[brazen drift]

maybe ill try again tonight

[reef geyser]

Warning, incoming multipost wall, don't zap me mods.

[jolly sky]

If those people coming at him were coming from an actual place of understanding and good faith, then he wouldn't need to be in defense mode for it

"Why is it done this way can I ask?"

Instead its

"WHY IS IT DONE THIS WAY? IS HE AN IDIOT!?"

[reef geyser]

@frail quartz

To begin, the contention is that Thor's Heartbound code is "bad code". People point to inefficiencies, ways things could have been done better etc.

This was then used for insult fodder. People made videos ripping on Heartbound being bad, or the code being garbage, or insulting Thor's ability as a programmer, etc.

Now, before we even get into the right/wrong of the argument itself, we can ask about the premise. The question: Why this game? Why this dev? Even if the code is trash, don't other games have inefficient code? Mistakes? Bad sections? Including popular games? Why then does this specific game and this specific dev get called out as if it's specifically and particularly a bad thing that HE have bad code, that makes it more "wrong" than if others do?

The stated premise: "It's wrong because Thor falsely presents himself as an expert coder. This bad code disproves this, and shows his arrogance and lack of integrity."

The response to this premise: The premise falsely assumes that Thor presents himself as a massive expert who is super-godlike at programming. This is a massive misconception that has spread like fire through the internet. It's simply false. Any time you spend on his actual streams, and you'll know he never presents himself this way, and even goes beyond that and consistently reassures people to do their own stuff, their own way, and to learn learn learn.

The arguments themselves even concede that, "The code is fine for mid level, but not for an expert." So you see, when you remove that lynchpin part of the interpretation of the premise, the whole conclusion falls apart.

Further: The premise itself fails to realize that even experts themselves DO indeed have inefficiencies or little artifacts like that in their code. Everyone does. Find yourself the best master carpenter in the world, they are going to have little things they do in joinery that are "wrong" by any standard that is taught, but it's just the way they are comfortable with.

So a further refutation then. Not only do experts themselves ABSOLUTELY do inefficient things like that, in finished and shipped products, but on top of that, their assumption of Thor's way of presenting himself is utterly false, and based on a version of himself that they built up in their minds off of out of context short bits, not from any time spent actually listening to him over a long period like his streams. He is a TON more genuine than most give him credit for. And not arrogant. He just has a voice for radio.

But we're not done, because we have a further step we can do. Let's go back to that premise again: "It's wrong because Thor falsely presents himself as an expert coder. This bad code disproves this, and shows his arrogance and lack of integrity."

We can ask another question. Why the need to show this perceived arrogance and lack of integrity? This code has been out for years, why now? Why is it now important suddenly to seek out information that is believed will demonstrate these shortcomings? The answer: Because of his stance on SKG. That's what ALL of this comes down to. His code, his perceived arrogance, his "lies". All of it is being focused on now, and no coincidence, because of the recent controversy over the SKG stuff. People see SKG as an unassailably good thing. It's pro-consumer, therefore it's automatically, dogamtically, morally good, and not something up for debate. Well, people who don't bow to discussion-destroying dogma, like Thor, will refuse to relent on this enforcement of perceived moral highground, and he's going to exercise his right to have an opinion that goes against the majority who have been told the one they should have on it.

Everything else stems from that. They want him destroyed because he's the "bad guy" who went against the declared-to-be-undisagreeable-with SKG.

Done

[subtle gate]

[frail quartz]

The initial CodingJesus video is made on bad faith though I agree

[brazen drift]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[jolly sky]

DAMN that word wall is taller than the pillars of Nosgoth;

[wispy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[carmine sierra]

@frail quartz Yeah, like, we're talking about a response to a video that called Thor a fraud in the thumbnail, was titled about how his code was bad, and opens with a stinger of the guy holding his head in frustration while laughing
I think some hostility is warranted

[carmine sierra]

Kain reference spotted

[carmine sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

[muted robin]

i love you for this unironically lol

[jolly sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cast-him-in-legacy-of-kain-soul-reaver-crystal-dynamics-eidos-interactive-gif-21217201

[muted robin]

that really is the heart of it

[reef geyser]

I have a tendency to not trim things down when the lean and fat is needed

[jolly sky]

I joke but I respect it too

Might want to keep that one around

[muted robin]

i mean i'm of the opinion that critiquing/explaining/dissecting rhetorical content often takes longer than the rhetoric itself so i think it's all relevant

[tight bramble]

I truly love that game. That gif just gave me memory whiplash 🥲

[muted robin]

but in the end all of this targeted harassment really does come down to him not bending the knee on SKG and that's it. like you can argue over the veracity of individual claims but the depth of this hatred is ltierally just politically motivated

[carmine sierra]

"A lie goes around the world before the truth can put on its shoes"

[frosty socket]

so many don't realize that his code is also partly the way it is because he's got the ARG going alongside the actual video game, and portions of that ARG require funky coding be done

[muted robin]

it's one of those things where intention matters a lot and it's impossible to ignore that there are many conflicts of interest on the part of "critics" where it benefits them socially and financially to dunk on thor, whereas it's risky socially and financially (and possibly physically as well 😬 ) to agree with him

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, it's what I've been saying a lot today
When you find yourself in the weeds nitpicking the particulars of one small detail or another
Stop for a moment, take a step back, and ask
"What is all of this being done in favor of to begin with?"

[reef geyser]

A guy in my guild in WoW joked one raid night about how many ants it would take to eat a cow.

I did around 12-20 total hours of research, including published papers on ant population dietary choices in different conditions, breeding rates, mass, protein vs fat vs carb intake, and gave him an answer.

He sometimes calls me ant man now. 🤣

[jolly sky]

Soul Reaver 1 & 2 are Remastered on Steam, and they're done lovingly. The director is an actual Pillar of the Legacy of Kain Community, and has been making LoK content (explanations, behind the scenes, alpha versions of the game etc) for years. In my opinion there has yet to be a game to this day that beats its story, writing and Voice acting

[tight bramble]

Several people are typing....

[carmine sierra]

Also it's one of the badass types of remasters that lets you hotkey switch to the old graphics at any time

[carmine sierra]

[frosty socket]

the rest is because he really doesn't feel like changing the game engine to the most recent version, because doing so would probably break the game entirely, smaller updates in a game engine have bricked games entirely before, much less as large an update as HB would need

[muted robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738502147670409228/1314821040895033404/image0.gif

[brazen drift]

can't believe you dont think classic 1998 hit resident Evil had flawless voice acting /j

[tight bramble]

I have it! The one key option to turn on the original graphics is so cool.

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, I can tell you from experience
Moving through eight years of engine upgrades is not a small process by any means

Doing that for my work to go from Java 8 to 17 was a six-month project that required recreating entire applications of our website from scratch

[jolly sky]

By chance have you heard the uh....Resident Evil Directors cut music?

It

is

dreadful

[brazen drift]

DREADFUL?

[jolly sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJYvCHm3Ov4

[brazen drift]

Mansion Basement is a MASTERPIECE

[jolly sky]

Just...

[tight bramble]

Jill sandwich!

[jolly sky]

LMAO

[brazen drift]

NO NOTES

[warm trench]

I wrote a lims system for my boss. When he showed it off to other labs in a symposium, they asked how many on the dev team. He said 1. When the boss says he had several programmers before me, I was the only one who's code continually became better to the point where it stopped breaking down. My infrastructure decisions in hardware, networking, program development made bottom dollar improvements to the company as a whole. I will not call myself a great coder. I think my stuff is crap. I told that to my boss. He laughed at me. I disagree with many self-appointed code reviewers out there. This whole thing makes me quite angry, but in reality it's not my dog in the fight, and Thor doesn't want me to get angry for his sake.

[jolly sky]

That absolute Parping of whatever that instrument is meant to be

[frail quartz]

Yeah I get it, some of the backlash has been excessive, and no one deserves to be harassed over code, especially for an indie project that functions and clearly has passion behind it.

Though I don’t think all the criticism can be dismissed just because some of it became sour. There are technical issues that were raised by people. Yes, the code doesn't have to be flawless, and yes, even seasoned experts cut corners. But when you’re putting yourself and your work in the spotlight, you’re also inviting deeper scrutiny. I guess that’s just the trade off.

The issue that people dogpiles on is how dismissive and resistant to critique Thor's communication is, (this is not my 'diagnosis', but Dr. K). That’s where the real issue lies, not the existence of inefficiencies in the code, but the refusal to acknowledge or engage with them sincerely. And like I said before, I think just owning it with something like, “Yeah, the code’s a mess, it’s been built on for years and that’s just how it is” would go way further than trying to justify every technical detail.

Well at the end of the day, people want to see this game succeed. But growth both for the game and the dev only happens when there's room for honest feedback. Y'all have a great day/night. Imma get lunch.

[muted robin]

also people are already (perhaps fairly) criticizing him for not finishing his game in 9 years so it seems antithetical to the role of a "critic" to simultaneously lambast someone for being slow to put out product while also giving them "help" by telling them they should do something that will add dozens of hours of extra production time

[carmine sierra]

"Dozens" is an understatement

[jolly sky]

[brazen drift]

I think its like. Tuba? some kinda horn???

[muted robin]

i think a lot of people really overestimate their capacity to give good/valid criticism 🤣

[frosty socket]

and then there's Star Citizen... people forget that Backend work, while not the most visible, is very damn important... but, saying that... it's still an impressively buggy mess... and then there's the fact that the impressively high amount of money they have obtained from SC does NOT last long when you have as large of teams as they do

[jolly sky]

I genuinely have zero idea rofl

[brazen drift]

I have mansion basement on my streamdeck tied to my mic so that way i can annoy my friend with it

[carmine sierra]

Giving reasoning and evidence for why the criticism doesn't apply is also engaging with the criticism
There are more ways to engage than capitulation

[lapis tartan]

If you leave no room for reason, then there's no reason for you. Making absurd statements and attacks for just clout has a cost... The people saying Thor is 100-1000% done look dumber and dumber the longer Thor continues to exist.

[warm trench]

I play tuba, where is this sound bite?

[frosty socket]

Thor is 1000% done... with the BS

[carmine sierra]

[jolly sky]

#streamchat message

Whatever sense you can make of that be my guest lmao

[frosty socket]

..I'm not even gonna attempt

[warm trench]

That's a keyboard set to "brass"

[jolly sky]

lmao just...

Brass

Love it

[frosty socket]

and i played Low Brass all throughout HS

[exotic forge]

I think that while a lot of the criticism against Thor is straight up not true, they're not all complete lies. However, I am still not going to support how drama slop channels try to make a bigger deal out of every little thing.

One of the latest ones is Thor using 1s and 0s on a line of code as booleans instead of true or false. Is this really something drama channels need to focus on?

[warm trench]

IF that's tuba, I would have popped an aneurysm playing it.

[golden latch]

That sounds like what i did early in life on a digital keyboard

[frosty socket]

I only ever read 0s and 1s as True/false statements when they're in Code/Configs

[muted robin]

and this is all pulling hairs over a game that seems to have no performance issues to speak of? if the game works, it works

[jolly sky]

Oh and here's the funnier thing. The composer has claimed he was deaf for years, until it eventually came out that he wasn't

[carmine sierra]

Which is another thing he explained as well
GML, even to this day, doesn't actually have a boolean data type
The true/false keywords in the code point to a hard-coded 1 and 0 in the engine itself, but are still an integer
So swapping over to those might give a bit more readability, but does nothing for performance

And the kicker:
Those keywords didn't exist in GML 1.4

[frosty socket]

the "improvements" that people are "suggesting" would maybe improve the speed of the game by microseconds at best

[muted robin]

and i've seen people poke fun at how much of a mess famous video games' code can be (i'm really into glitch hunting and speedrunning) but like. it has NEVER been to this level of vitriol and "EVERY QUALIFICATION THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS SAID HE HAD WAS WRONG HE'S A FRAUD AND A DISGRACE" kind of stuff

[golden latch]

Tone deaf maybe

[muted robin]

tho the difference between a whole AAA studio and one guy on a three-person team can impact that

[jolly sky]

https://www.inverse.com/gaming/resident-evil-25-composer-mamoru-samuragochi-impostor

[muted robin]

god i hope the artist and composer haven't been getting flamed too

[jolly sky]

More info if you want it

[frosty socket]

and it would also probably break the ARG majorly

[brazen drift]

frankly there are games being pushed out that have basically no performance with way less dev time and way more funding and people, so its basically unfair even if his code was unoptimized since hes doing it By Himself with No Budget

imagine yelling at concernedape because stardew code is bad

[wispy plover]

100% this. Like I don't always agree with Thor either, but who's really in the wrong? The people monetizing off of the hate, not speaking up against the hate, the chat spammers, the people making death threats, the people with no actual iota of knowledge on the matter... or Thor? Really, who's the bad guy? Cus I sure as hell don't see us going into other peoples streams and communities and shitting everywhere.

[golden latch]

Everyone has gotten a certain amount of flames from this pyre.

Even us

[tight bramble]

Im going to create a game that has an ost of some random dude describing the wing dings symbols in monotone.

[frosty socket]

tbf, in some bits of it, it IS, but that's how glitches get found 😛

[brazen drift]

well it did get kickstarted i wont say no budget

but its certainly not AAA game budget

[carmine sierra]

30k eight years ago isn't much of a budget

[frosty socket]

most of the budget went into paying for the art and music, and a little went into buyign a proper copy of GMS, i bet

[high canyon]

TREASURE TRAIN IN THE FERRET STREAM, COME GET YOUR EMOTES ❤️

[carmine sierra]

And it's a drop in the bucket compared to streaming now that it took off back in like 2022 or whenever

[jolly sky]

Now THAT is some good damn news

[brazen drift]

Ferrets

[reef geyser]

But he doesn't put his work in the spotlight, any more than any other game does. He has never upheld Heartbound as a "look at this to see how to do code well" game.

Second, the quality of his response to the criticisms need only be as high-quality as the criticisms themselves. Because the criticisms of his code came on false pretense (Being a vector for attack to punish him for SKG stance), his response therefore DOES NOT need to be the same as it would be in a situation where the pretense of such criticisms was different.

For example: Let's say I've publicly stated multiple times that I hate the color pink. Now lets say I show up somewhere with a pink car. It's a legitimate question why I have a pink car, if it's known I hate pink. "Hey man, why the pink car? Don't you hate pink?" If I'm dismissive of this question, having been publicly anti-pink before, then yes, that's weird, and a low-quality response.

But let's add a little something:

"Hey man, why the pink car? I thought you hated pink. You gay or something? Some [slur]?"

If they ask it THAT way, with THAT pretense, and the thing they care about is whether I'm gay or not, and they want to make that a negative based on the color of my car, then no, it then becomes absolutely unnecessary for me to answer with any respect whatsoever the otherwise legitimate question of why my car color choice differs from my previous statements.

[muted robin]

also again, it's a matter of ethos where part of why i don't really care how optimized thor's code is is bc across multiple shorts representing himself as a person/brand, he's consistently said "don't make it perfect, just make it" and supported undertale saying that clearly you can (apparently) use a coding method that would make professional devs cringe in fear but still make one of the best games of all time

[winter sierra]

GO TO THE FERRET STREAM!!! we got a treasure train level 7!!!

[muted robin]

thor's ethos is entirely about putting Making The Thing over Being Textbook Perfect so

[winter sierra]

now 8

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, that's the big thing to keep in mind here
Thor's response in question was a comment left on a video that literally outright called him a fraud in the thumbnail

[muted robin]

idk how programming works but i do look at the drama and go "well i don't realy get it, maybe thor's code is flawed but he's never bullied anyone for having flawed code and wants other people to make stuff even if their code is flawed too, so he's judging himself and others by the same standard which is Just Do It"

[warm trench]

So - Jesus means something to me. Code xxxx is offensive, to me. I try to not tear down code xxxx because of the beginning premise. But. it. is. so .hard.not.too. I had to start with Applesoft basic to learn computers, then BASICA, then GW-BASIC then Pascal, then all the quick basics then microsofts professional basic, then C (Oh... I love me C) and guess what? MASM and TASM and cross linking Assembly and C and Basic!!! I wrote low level interrupt code. serial drivers. Then I had to write network stacks because the internet wasn't out quite yet. I also know Visual Basic, now C#, and much more. I've been doing this stuff all my life. Oh, COBOL too. I stopped C++ because C was more efficient at the time. Yea, I'm old. I laugh at code reviewers on the internet - most of them.

[winter sierra]

!ferrets

[dapper raven]

Come and watch the ferret cam! yarrPet https://twitch.tv/ferretsoftware

[muted robin]

mfw i'm a youtube frog and can't join

[winter sierra]

sadge

[muted robin]

i could buy a sub to the YT ferret software channel tho, that'd come out to like $5 a month to support both

[brazen drift]

i barely got a guy to walk in godot, if you can make a WHOLE GAME that RUNS you have more fortitude than I and i am wholly impressed by every one who makes games

[muted robin]

hmm there doesn't seem to be a membership option for the YT ferret stream, maybe they haven't hit the requirement for it?

[golden latch]

Have you tried making the point and click adventure menu based game “minesweeper”

[brazen drift]

lmfao

[golden latch]

Its literally a rogue like too

[carmine sierra]

I have a good knowledge of code and software, but zero knowledge of game engines, assets, art, modeling, rigging, etc
My main beat is web development
But the stuff in question lately has been software, so I have a very good basis of knowledge in this case

[warm trench]

I wrote a virus blaster game - space invader style in C and assembly to use the 320x200 256 color VGA settings in college. For fun. Now there are a plethora of engines available. Go.Make.Games.

[reef geyser]

Biggest thing I ever made was Paint in C++ when I was like 12. It was black and white, and didn't have an erase feature, but it was cool that a thing that I typed did a thing on screen.

[carmine sierra]

Hell yeah

[brazen drift]

i would want to make a farming game but i made a list of the things id need and i decided im lazy

[golden latch]

Hell yeah

[warm trench]

My dungeon crawler is a game running in a web server, using a browser to play called Dungeons Of Treptera.

[carmine sierra]

The thing I do for a living now is basically
Government contract web dev on the site that the DoD uses to make manuals for explosives disposal
It's some interesting stuff

[reef geyser]

There was a browser-based pretty simplistic farming game that really caught on not even a year ago. There's definitely a space for it.

It's gone now.

[golden latch]

Just do what some farm games do and make a menus inside menus game

[golden latch]

How often is the bomb just “buried”

[brazen drift]

nah, if i did anything it would probably be with RPG maker and i dont think i wanna try making a farming game with rpg maker

i just wanna make maps orz

[carmine sierra]

Not often
They usually blow it up if it can't be safely disassembled

[supple cedar]

this is what real games look like

2010 was great

[golden latch]

Centipede?

[supple cedar]

that was my first flash game

Snake ripoff

[golden latch]

Ah a classic

[carmine sierra]

I've made a few clones back in high school
I think the most complicated thing I cloned was Frogger

[golden latch]

Oh that’s fantastic

[warm trench]

I used to run a BBS. I had to write my own serial routines which I had to write an interrupt driver to the pic / UART chip support, write a manager in C for the Modem/serial handling and another game library to give me all the modem/serial/ANSI stuff. took a year to make my engine. Then I wrote Final Conquest, Maze Master and Micro Warriors door games.

[carmine sierra]

It was mostly a test of how well I could do a grid system and timers

[warm trench]

Then I had to make money in Enterprise Business software development and forgot everything.

[carmine sierra]

Everything I'd made up until that point was turn-based
Chess, tic-tac-toe, cards, etc
So doing something with active movement was interesting
Even if it only jumped an entire grid space at a time and didn't have continuous movement, it was a fun project

[reef geyser]

There is a game called MMORPG Tycoon, as well as a sequel.

You make MMO worlds, and it sort of works like Sim City, where you place zones, town buildings, player spawn points, graveyards, monster spawn zones, set monster levels, make questgivers and assign the quests objectives to monsters etc.

It's really cool for visualizing how to lay out an RPG zone.

[supple cedar]

that was the first time I ever experienced an api

as you can see from the screenshot it did not turn out well lmao

[carmine sierra]

Oh other note on this
Since my office is actually on the annex base where they do the explosives testing
Every so often a few times throughout the day, I'll hear sirens in the distance for about twenty seconds followed by a dull thud
(If I'm outside, of course; it's far enough away that I can't hear it in the building)

[brazen drift]

nah too much. I just like designing towns and houses. I play the sims a lot but i love pixel towns so much

Closest ive gotten to that was i made some maps for ss13

I loved doing that until i had to pipe atmos

[carmine sierra]

Oof

Having played Barotrauma, I know your pain

[brazen drift]

uhhhhh oh yeah heres one

i think its a bit outdated at this point lmao since its fro 2021 but

[exotic forge]

@frail quartz I hope this answered your query

[carmine sierra]

He went away for the night

[brazen drift]

i dont even know if i was the one who did atmos in this image

[carmine sierra]

Have you played Barotrauma?

[brazen drift]

I did, i did not like it

[carmine sierra]

Fair enough

[brazen drift]

which was sad cuz it was flavor of the month in a friend group i have and thats all they played for like 2 months

[carmine sierra]

My biggest complaint about it is a lack of sub customization
I wish there was a way to gradually add onto and modify my sub bit by bit throughout a campaign

Buy a room, slap it on, set up all the wiring and pumping yourself, etc

But other than that I'd say I enjoyed it

[brazen drift]

Not my kinda game sadly

[carmine sierra]

Understandable, it's incredibly niche

[brazen drift]

even balatro isnt my kinda game, but i bought it on mobile so i had something other than pokemon tcgp, and the malware that samsung keeps installing to my phone

which i dont play

[exotic forge]

Man I'm like so over Balatro. It was an awesome game and I shouldn't played it longer seeing as I'm a huge slay the spire fan

But I don't know. I'm just over Balatro now. I think i played it for 40 hours or something

[brazen drift]

im so bad at the game that i havent beaten the first 8 antes :3

i dont think ive gotten past 5

[exotic forge]

Actually I do know the moment I got over it. It was when I was able to make a build around a single pair

[frosty socket]

oh god, SS...13?

[brazen drift]

yup

[exotic forge]

Yeah no shame in that

[jolly sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXA1Wl3jHs

Y'all deserve some of Any Austins stuff too

[frosty socket]

14's up on beta (just gotta hit the apply button, you'll get instant access)

[exotic forge]

Love cyberpunk

[brazen drift]

learned a lot about how to make a map compelling for people to play on in an antagonistic pvp setting while they all yell at you to give them everything for free

[brazen drift]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[frosty socket]

lol

[jolly sky]

Any Austin is the king of "I'm going to focus on a completely strange side tangent of a game for ~20 minutes"

[wind hare]

Did any missions take place there? I thought it was just background imagery

[jolly sky]

Like "Which direction do the birds fly in Red Dead 2?"

[waxen comet]

theres also channel similar but related to genshin and their nonsense infrastructure

[brazen drift]

BESIDES i know its all in unity and i dont know how to make a unity map and frankly dont want to

[jolly sky]

Yea there's a few. One of the Races from Claire starts there, the mission to take down the Kang Tao ship gets us close, and also going Scuba diving

I can't think of any others at this moment but I'm sure there's a few more

OH! one of the Monk side-quests is another one

This is what to expect from Any Austin

[tight bramble]

Im literally watching it right now hahahahaha get outta my head!!!

[subtle gate]

I'm just thinking about how I'm currently playing Hearts of Iron 4 which is laggy on the regular... meanwhile Heartbound can run on a freaking fridge and not have problems

I'll never forgive myself for thinking "better computer = better performance" in games when that's really just a programming thing

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[keen python]

Believe it was streamed to that fridge from a laptop, at least thats what appears to be the case in the video

[sudden drum]

What cpu do you have? Googling that game it comes up that it's extremely CPU bound so if you upgraded your system and skimped on CPU you might need to grab a better one. When I went from ryzen 1700x to 5700x3d my frame rate in wow quadrupled literally using the exact same gpu and ram

[subtle gate]

all I know is that the CPU costed around $2300 to get as many bells and wistles as possible all for it to come out with a similar performance as my dad's $1000 computer

[sudden drum]

Are you on your computer rn

[subtle gate]

yep

[sudden drum]

Open task manager and go to performance and take a screen shot of that and send plz

Control + shift + escape is the fastest way

[sudden drum]

Sorry I meant this screen specifically so I can see what's inside ur computer

[sudden drum]

That is with the game open?

[subtle gate]

yea

[sudden drum]

Can you click on the GPU part so I can see what gpu you have

Sorry

[terse pelican]

Intigrated Graphics?

[drowsy vector]

is game frame rate uncapped? try 60

[sudden drum]

It looks like you are GPU bound and you're probably not going to get better frame rates unless you upgrade your GPU

[sudden drum]

Wait

Did you buy a GPU when u bought the pc

[subtle gate]

I think so

[sudden drum]

Looks something like that

[subtle gate]

yea that was definitely part of the bundle

[ocean agate]

i dont think there is a stream tonight

[lapis flame]

where on the back of the PC did you plug in the monitor?

[terse pelican]

You called it right before he Announced it

[sudden drum]

Can you circle where your monitor is plugged in

[ocean agate]

his icon was yellow, then it went to mobile...i was like hes, hes not getting out of bed

sleep well Thor

[terse pelican]

But it's now Green. But your logic is sound

[subtle gate]

do you think the monitor is the problem cause I did get a cheaper monitor

[lapis flame]

no, i dont suspect the monitor

[sudden drum]

No I think your monitor is plugged into your motherboard and not your graphics card

[lapis flame]

also, out of all the possible images, you find an inverted case

[shell osprey]

the monitor is plugged into the fridge...

[sudden drum]

Every other picture I saved on my phone just saved as a black image I think some type of image protection on Google or something lol

[terse pelican]

Just Invert the image.

[ocean agate]

then eat the cucumber and try rebooting

[subtle gate]

near the top just under the power

[distant rapids]

I was looking at the case like something is fishy...

[sudden drum]

For real though your resource monitor should not look like that, I think that your monitor is plugged into your motherboard. That game is about as CPU bound as it gets. Your CPU should be at 100% usage if anything is, not your GPU

[patent creek]

512mb of gpu memory yea think your plugged in to mb not the gpu

[subtle gate]

ok I'll see if I can plug it in somewhere else on this thing

[distant rapids]

Follow the line of your gpu visually back to the back of the case, then plug it in there

[patent creek]

wait does the 7700x have integrated graphics ? am still on am4 only ones with intergrated is G skus

[sudden drum]

You will also need to download your driver's for your graphics card

[lapis flame]

yes, 7xxx Ryzen cpus are the first to have an integrated GPU on the IO Die

[patent creek]

sickk

maybe is worth an am5 upgrade soon

[sudden drum]

I just got the x3d chip that was available for am4 and I'm pretty sure it just extended my PCs life by like 5 years 🤣

5800x3d wasn't available so I just got 5700x3d

[patent creek]

57x3d is half the power draw right? of the 58x3d or they both 110w?

[sudden drum]

I thought it was 100w but not sure

[patent creek]

am on a 5600G wanted the back up integrated

[sudden drum]

The 5700x3d I mean

Depends what games you play but for anything single threaded it is night and day

Like I said earlier just swapping CPU from 1700x to 57003xd I got 4x as many fps in wow and the 1% lows went from like 6fps to 45ish

[patent creek]

only thing i have been wanting to try is a 8 core cpu from a 6 and maybe try streaming a bit

[sudden drum]

If you want to stream am5 is probably the play

[patent creek]

1700x to 5700x3d is a huge jump

[sudden drum]

Or just wait for zen6

[patent creek]

that is the question will amd support am5 for as long as the am4

year is 2035 amd still giving us am5

sounds so wrong 2035 wtf take me back to the 1900s

[waxen comet]

question

should a game have 3k MB in disk usage

is that worrying

[terse pelican]

I guess it depends on the game?

[shell osprey]

3GB in save files?

[waxen comet]

no i meant like

[shell osprey]

oh disk read rate?

[waxen comet]

this thing in the task manager

yea

[shell osprey]

yeah I mean any modern game has huge assets that it constantly loads in from disk as you progress through it

[terse pelican]

If it happens now and then it shouldn't be a problem, but if it's a constant 3k, I'd wonder

[waxen comet]

i had a game reach peak 3k for a bit
the average was something like 100 MB/s

btu then again i wasnt actively monitoring it all the time

i just noticed that it spiked heavily

the game is Wuthering Waves btw

game still does have massive disk rate spikes here and there

[terse pelican]

Yeah, I think it's when it needs to load new assets

But man, I haven't played Wuthering in months

The game is cool, but I'm just tired of the whole ''Daily Energy'' bs all those games do like Genshin ETC

[waxen comet]

thats just how gachas are

the alternatives are you never grind bec no energy all the time

or you grind for eternity bec energy is abundant

the latter is shown in granblue fantasy

[subtle gate]

I don't know I got the HDMI cable in the HDMI slot and the monitor doesn't work with any other slot

[waxen comet]

energy is so plentiful there you can farm for weeks

[sudden drum]

redacted

[shell osprey]

he probably needs to plug the monitor into mobo, open display settings, tell windows to use gpu, and then move the plug over to the gpu

[sudden drum]

Oh you're right I misread his message I thought he said he couldn't get it in the slot. Lol

Sorry

[shell osprey]

ah I figured you thought the gpu wasnt properly plugged into the mobo

[sudden drum]

I'm deleting that message so I don't confuse him

[subtle gate]

the only other plug that kinda fits is connected to the "GEFORCE RTX"

[sudden drum]

That is where you want your cord to be. You will need to download GeForce drivers

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/software/nvidia-app/ this will be the easiest way to do that. Download this program and it should automatically detect what drivers you need. Let it install them completely then restart your computer.

[chrome mantle]

Feel better soon Thor. Goodnight everyone

[gloomy forge]

Good night discordmember

And hi everyone.

[sudden drum]

Did everything work out bro

[sterile junco]

so nothing today? or did I miss something ?

[azure glen]

#streams message

[golden mirage]

No stream, Thor is busy becoming a mushroom.

[gloomy forge]

At some point hes gonna become a member of the space guild

[worthy ivy]

if it's constant it's probably windows deciding that now is the perfect time to scan every single file on the drive to update the thumbnails for some stupid reason AND superfetch all the crap I was using yesterday into memory on the off chance I might want to load up Ableton and my video editing suite whilst simultaneously downloading a huge update it knows I don't want backgrounding but it's going to background it anyway because windows...

have been so much happier since I went in the registry and... let's say "lobotomised" my install

[sterile junco]

guess I leave, blocked to see the @stream stuff.... sigh....

[forest glacier]

This is coming from someone dedicated to supporting Thor… the Asmongold video from 3 weeks ago isn’t that bad. I’ve only watched one of them, but that one has been fair all the way through. I’m tired enough of seeing it I had to click, at least from the one guy I had assumed would be fair on this, and this one video is. The title and thumbnail are clickbaity and the internet is going to be dumb regardless what’s in the video, but the content itself is NOT bashing, disrespectful, or unfair. I’m a little bit disappointed at how bad certain members of this community made this seem…

[terse pelican]

That's a fair point, I didn't consider Windows being a butthead like that

[terse pelican]

Guess he left the server?

[worthy ivy]

I'd cut them some slack - only been here since end of last year, and there's been so much drama over so many things that I kind of get why the community is tired of (and cranky about) drama stuff

agree Asmongold's video was balancedish, but cos of all the other flak, it feels like he is part of the farmed drama pattern

and a lot of people are here for the community, not specifically for Thor's content, so it's not a place where Thor-specific drama is received well (if you see what I mean?)

plus, Goblins gonna goblin - they do sometimes make their feelings known quite bluntly - myself included am guilty of that sometimes 😆

[terse pelican]

https://gamerant.com/nintendo-palworld-lawsuit-weird-patent-language-update-analysis/?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=68798b076d8c930001844b7c

[worthy ivy]

it's always Windows being a butthead

windows 8 it was prefetch and superfetch shenanigans (and I run some quite heavy stuff semi-regular, so it was always loading crap into memory I didn't need)

windows 10 and 11 it's updates and (I assume) thumbnail updating chewing the drive - I got telemetry and that neutered in the registry, so unless MicroShit are just flat out datamining my drives (which I wouldn't put past them) is probably updating the thumbnails for all the little part files in all my audacity projects and the thousand upon thousands of half second drum samples and that.....?

Windows = Butthead confirmed

[serene valley]

👀

[worthy ivy]

I miss windows 7 tbh

[terse pelican]

I miss Windows 2000

[worthy ivy]

good version - a human of taste

XP wasn't awful either

[terse pelican]

Agreed. It worked for the most part and wassn't as intrusive / Buttheaded

But it slowly went downhill after that

[worthy ivy]

well, that's when the user became the product - when the update says they are improving the "customer experience" they're not talking about us

but speaking as a man that has killed a PC trying to run Linux... I kind of like the "are you sure?" you get from Windows every now and then

Linux is all "you want to run a command that'll brick everything...? okay then, done!"

[umbral gazelle]

come on palworld you can do it! kick nintendo in its switches!

[terse pelican]

Yeah, Linux doesn't hold your hand, It just lets you shoot yourself in the foot, Windows is like ''You sure? - Yes, - Sorry no, You don't have permission. - Do it anyway ''

[worthy ivy]

"struggle to prove patent infingement" is a hillarious way of saying "took the patents out decades after the first use of the mechanics"

[terse pelican]

Talking about Linux... I should set up my old PC as a kind of Game server again...

[worthy ivy]

borked the file permissions with a complicated command line entry I cribbed from a nerd on the interwebs, ended up having to throw the drive into a windows machine to recover the data because even root didn't have permissions and windows don't give a hoot about the linux file permissions 🙂

that was a decade and a half ago - I assume Linux is better now, just too used to Windows to make the jump

[flat moat]

yeah, he could have just changed his permissions but he chose the nuclear option

[terse pelican]

I was thinking he went and clicked one of these roles

[flat moat]

probs did

[worthy ivy]

was that:
*blocks themselves?
"am blocked?"
"leaving now"
*
was trying to work out what they meant 😆

[umbral gazelle]

As long as you aint an idiot like me and use arch linux yes. Use some of the other distros they are far better

[worthy ivy]

you use "yes"?
bold move...

most people use the "BTW" release

[terse pelican]

I wonder if it's possible to make it so that you need to use something like a yubikey for permissions on Linux

[umbral gazelle]

it is

[terse pelican]

That's cool. Adds an extra layer of safety

[umbral gazelle]

i think endevouros has an option to enable it on install i believe

[flat moat]

Yes

self-inflicted stick in the bicycle wheel moment

[radiant escarp]

Not fun fact, insomnia is an early migraine symptom for me.

In unrelated news, I went to bed at 1am and woke up at 3am. and can't get back to sleep

[fallow fable]

now you can be productive and make a billion dolars

[gloomy pelican]

I was fine with Arch for an year, until a package update boorked my grub configuration and I had to manually chroot to fix it, at that moment I said "nea, this is stupid, gonna find something better"... 3 years later happy on Fedora

[torn panther]

Just going to leave this here

https://youtube.com/shorts/tFR5BCA86fM?si=_hC5PL6FRnzG-dP5

Be ready for a mind exposition chatters

[hasty grail]

[terse pelican]

Get burgered.

[umbral gazelle]

no visible salad... hmmm dont think it counts

[terse pelican]

I don't put salad on mine

[spice dragon]

salad is for bunnies Not humans

[orchid sandal]

Frisco buns, a wise choice.

[gaunt remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-hatsune-miku-miku-v1-hello-chat-gif-16583335262233432869

[rose dawn]

following on from the convo earlier about the hype train stuff. was it doctored screenshots or not?

[terse pelican]

I'm not familiar with the convo, Which Hype-train stuff?

[wet coral]

Doing a search shows its a nothing burger and just more drama slop attempts to rile people up.

[rose dawn]

somewhere earlier idk i scrolled past it now, but it was about Thor making Khronos donate to the stream on some alt account or something to keep the hype train running and just trying to figure out if the screenshots are doctored because yeah... not feeling good

[terse pelican]

Yeah that sounds like complete bs.

I highly doubt that either of them would do something like that

[rose dawn]

So they were doctored? Need to find out

[wet coral]

Its also started by a account that is banned/left the discord

[rose dawn]

oh they were banned? why

[wet coral]

Dunno. cant see mod tickets or such.

All i see is a discussion that ens with the conclusion that its just an attempted drama bait that failed cause its a nothing burger.

Especially cause that record is long broken by Vedal

And seeing you are a new account pin pointing such a fact makes it fishy.

You either believe waht the internet says or you believe your own research and searching of the discord.

[terse pelican]

I don't see why Khronos would need alt accounts to donate to the hype train, cause it doesn't matter where they come from ( As long as it's not from the Streamer themselves ) They count

So he could just throw all the supposed subs/bits from his main and it'd push the train

[rose dawn]

No idea either if its true which it probably isnt it all seems a bit secret and worrying but its likely doctored

[wet coral]

The Record is doctored. or the drama is doctored?

[rose dawn]

Joined to talk about this, long standing sub not willing to talk about it on my main. For obvious reasons

[terse pelican]

The supposed screenshots of the Nothingburger Dramabait

[violet imp]

v

can i say mana gem here

[jolly sky]

Personally I don't think they're real, and if they are, I don't care. It's really nothing.

[wet coral]

facepalm

[terse pelican]

You can, But why would you, And you'd still feel the consequences if you say it in bad faith.

[jolly sky]

Only if you do your homework

[wet coral]

I doubt its real too. Especially cause extraordinairy claims require extraordinary proof.. And just a screenshot is hardly that.

[rose dawn]

As a sub I care because it really takes away from me legit donating during the stream when there was this stuff going on

[terse pelican]

''It came to me in a dream, Thus it's true'' Kind of Proof

[wet coral]

Donate if you want to support someone. Or dont. Drama is drama. dont make your decisions on what the internet says.

[terse pelican]

Here's the thing, you can form your own opinion on it. I'm just saying the accusations feel fishy, And stinks. And I believe the Train was Legit.

[wet coral]

Also. If you are a normal person conversing and discussion something your fine. The moment you just say thingfs to start shit or to rile up people then you get in danger.

So far you are clearly fine.

[rose dawn]

Well my nitro etc is boosting here and yeah not risking it. I seen some subs and people i knoiw just vanish unsure if they banned or just left discord

I actually sent you both a DM

[wet coral]

A newly joined account to do so makes it fishy due to all the recent shit stirring that has been happening.

[carmine sierra]

Running theory at the moment is that, assuming it's true in the first place, it was as a surprise/gift to the mods, since they were getting a profit cut from the train
Hence why in the screenshot, Kronos follows up with "Dont tell the mods"

[red halo]

The whole thing is honestly just a nothing burger to me because at most it's just to keep hype train alive and give mods more money since it was the 50% goes to the mods thing so Khronos secretly pays mods more money is the idea I get from it

[terse pelican]

That make sense when looking at it

[jolly sky]

At the end of the day, if it were real I can't be bothered to find the energy to care for a couple of donations that went to Thor and the mods anyway.

[red halo]

-# don't forget papa jeff

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, assuming everything about it is true, the end result is
Thor and Kronos donated a bunch of subs during a hype train to help Thor break a record that rewards absolutely nothing and has since been beaten again anyway

It's so pointless

[opaque raven]

Hi Stream
How is everything going

[umbral gazelle]

Possible Sea lion

[rose dawn]

Well I was donating live to keep it going. But now I'm a little unhappy about that lol

[jolly sky]

And if you really care that much, various streamers also donate to themselves. Doug Doug being one of them example

[rose dawn]

Because I was helping a thing that wasn't like... legit. Idk

[opaque raven]

Ah...boring, I'll be back later thn

[carmine sierra]

Streamers donate to their own hype trains a lot, dude

[lapis flame]

what makes it not legit?

[carmine sierra]

Usually in gifted subs

Because its contributing to the train and giving back to the community all at once

[earnest spire]

nah its pretty little compare to hundreds for lvls

[rose dawn]

The things that have been revealed today

[carmine sierra]

Because Thor helped contribute alongside his own community?

[winged knoll]

Hmmm could be various of things

[carmine sierra]

@winged knoll 😛

[winged knoll]

Like not incentivize the mods to pay for hypertrain

[carmine sierra]

Way ahead of you 😛

[winged knoll]

If lead mod pays, the others probably feel like they need to follow

[rose dawn]

It's different if its done out in the open

On alt accounts, people are not aware that the streamer is doing. Myself included. When I was donating to keep the train going, I thought the train was all organic and people donating were just like me... It was a hype moment. And exciting, viewers banding together

[carmine sierra]

Which it was for most of it

[winged knoll]

Also it’s a nothing burger in the end, no harm is done, everyone is happy

[rose dawn]

And now.... Damn. I almost want my money back!

[carmine sierra]

Yeah I dont believe you

[wet coral]

Way to late for that regardless.

[rose dawn]

You want screenshots of my donations? Check DM

[wet coral]

Stop your sub And move on All i can say to that.

[rose dawn]

Well I'm hoping its not real.

[idle hill]

being very vague about what you're talking about I'm ngl

[rose dawn]

The fact it was underhand done is what is really making me uncomfortable. If I was aware that the hype train was being boosted/created (idk how it works) by the streamer then I certainly would not be donating.

[carmine sierra]

Thor and Khronos donated a bunch on their mains

[rose dawn]

???

[carmine sierra]

Kronos just went on to donate some more on an alt

[earnest spire]

even it was its pretty little

compare to how much was donated

[rose dawn]

I cant remember the screenshots but it's like a few hundred subs or sumn

[terse pelican]

The total effect of the 'combined' donations, would be like 0.0001% or something

[carmine sierra]

The screenshot even talks about them donating on their mains

[winged knoll]

Yeh

[blissful imp]

Missed it but yesterday the Teen Titans CN show turned 22 years old https://fxtwitter.com/ToonHive/status/1946223686702518515

Forwarding broke again. mods just a warning.

ToonHive (@ToonHive)

‘Teen Titans’ premiered 22 years ago today on Cartoon Network.

**💬 222 🔁 4.1K ❤️ 17.0K 👁️ 1.75M **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Jul 18, 2025, 3:01 PM

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, and compared to the total train, that's not much

[winged knoll]

[rose dawn]

I don't mind them doing it on their personal accounts, then we are able to see that and make our own descisions about donating

[earnest spire]

getting to lvl70 takes like a lot

[wet coral]

Its a drop of water on a hot plate. Gone instantly.

[idle hill]

Wait. Is this accusing thor/khronos of fabricating hype?
lmao no
we had what, 2? 3 people? contribute at least $5000 usd each

[gloomy forge]

I...have to confess. I never watched Teen Titans

[indigo wadi]

who is we?

[idle hill]

banned

[winged knoll]

[rose dawn]

Donators and/or viewers

[winged knoll]

Jail

[gloomy forge]

its so over

[terse pelican]

Old Teen Titan was good, Teen Titan Go? Not so much.

[wet coral]

Burn the heretic.

[carmine sierra]

Yeah it's a massive nothing burger, I legit dont believe this guy
It's the most ridiculous faux outrage

[indigo wadi]

Hot Take: Teen Titans Go > Teen Titans

[winged knoll]

Teen Titan Go is decent

[wet coral]

GOwash your mouth This instant tho

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-you-speak-heresy-warhammer-40k-what-did-you-say-don't-say-that-gif-3570587536222968742

[earnest spire]

they also the chance of limits to how much you can donate

[tribal canyon]

and the usual claiming what they think is a majority opinion

[indigo wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-robin-teen-titans-go-robin-teen-titans-robin-one-piece-robin-no-mask-gif-931691087833292835

[carmine sierra]

Also
My cat says hi, chat

[idle hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-squish-cat-squishy-pat-gif-23473024

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hi-there-cat-wave-cat-cat-hi-gif-18340632167687937789

[winged knoll]

It’s supposed to be a joke show and it’s very good at what it supposed to be done

[rose dawn]

Maybe, that would make sense. I hope that is the case

[terse pelican]

Our cats are mad, We're dogsitting currently.

[flint sinew]

🍕

[winged knoll]

Hello mr catto

[indigo wadi]

It is. It's aimed at Kids. People seem to forget that

[wet coral]

For kids Go is good. For non-kids. NOrmal Teen Titans any day of the week.

[indigo wadi]

Teen Titans, the show, is very good

[gloomy forge]

Hello sir modge, hope you have a great day

[indigo wadi]

For the dead, Teen Titans the tv show

[rose dawn]

@minor nymph when you are feeling better, please address this. I have DM'ed you on my main so you know I am legit. I probably donated over 3k during that stream throughout its entirety.

[spice dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-face-giga-chad-chad-gif-940721850618971211

[indigo wadi]

he's got pings turned off

[rose dawn]

How do you know that

[umbral gazelle]

i mean... there are some... questionable things in that show.

[indigo wadi]

Because it's been mentioned numerous times

[wet coral]

Casue he never appears on Pings and has been stated in the past.

[rose dawn]

Well he might see the message, if not hope he addresses it anyway

[terse pelican]

His phone would constantly ping if he had it on, Cause everyone sends him messages.

[indigo wadi]

what is it you want addressed?

[rose dawn]

The hype train stuff. What was the reason for the alt accounts, etc.

[wet coral]

The nothingburger that is appearant rigging of the original Hypetrain record.

[idle hill]

see this is what I meant by the vagueness of the complaint

[indigo wadi]

What alt accounts?

[rose dawn]

beanbag or whatever it was called christ I don't remember

[indigo wadi]

??

[wet storm]

One can only fantasize and conjecture what it feels like to be this wrong

[rose dawn]

SerendiputusBean I think? Was the alt

[jolly sky]

Also unless you have DM'd him before and are friends with him, you can't send him a DM.

[winged knoll]

If you wanna know if your spending is justified, ask yourself why you spend that much on Thor + the staffs, i’m very sure aside from the recent dumb dramas, Thor and the staffs are still the same kind hearted people that wanna do good for the world

[rose dawn]

I have DM'd him before 🙂

[indigo wadi]

So let me get this right. @rose dawn You think the hype train was continued due to alts?

If it was, why do you care?

[wet coral]

Which might amount to 0.5% of total train if even that?>

[rose dawn]

I think so? From what I've seen... I mean trying to figure it out hence asking Thor

[indigo wadi]

If ppl wanna donate on alts, that's their choice. I see no reason that you should be concerned about it.

[terse pelican]

Biggest question is, Why would it be so bad if they tried to help the train a little?

[rose dawn]

I donated a large sum during that on the idea that the hype train was organic and... idk. Maybe that was naive of me? Everyone here is saying its common practice. Maybe? But the alts... Idk

[opaque raven]

Here "<"
you used the wrong one by accident

[terse pelican]

It's not like they did 90% of the work themselves

[indigo wadi]

Are you trying to discredit hypetrains now?

[carmine sierra]

So the totality of the drama is
There's a screenshot going around, posted by a Twitter account that was just created, that shows Thor and Khronos talking in DMs during the April 1st hype train, where they talk about donating to the train themselves and then Khronos donating more on an alt
That's it
That's the entirety of the situation

[indigo wadi]

Hypetrains ARE organic. They literally happen everytime he streams

[wet storm]

Nature is mended

[rose dawn]

Well it's the stream owner getting the mods to do it on alts its a bit different

[terse pelican]

Also, It was April 1st.

[indigo wadi]

ROFLMAO

[rose dawn]

Have you seen what we are talking about or not?

[terse pelican]

BIG ass Red Flag there.

[indigo wadi]

What kind of nonsense idea is this?

[rose dawn]

Am I able to post the screenshots here or not, could a mod let me know

[earnest spire]

there are older messages way up

[indigo wadi]

Honestly ridiculous to think the mods are hypetraining on alts.

[carmine sierra]

And even if they are, so what?

[wet coral]

Aslong as its not rule breaking your free to post whatever

[carmine sierra]

After they'd already donated a shitton on their main for everyone to see

[indigo wadi]

Just another new troll trying to cause drama, is my take.

[rose dawn]

Uhm dude, I think they actually were...