streamchat

[swift gulch]

I've already seen those claims
They say that because Heartbound is only done off-stream, it's not actually him doing it

[worthy ivy]

I really struggle with the mixed up capitals sometimes

C4N 1337 5P34K W17H0U7 7H1NK1N6 7H0

90s training

[opaque raven]

Bcs there is no engagement, no exchanges, not even memes are well produced from it since the attackers keep changing the target so much

[shrewd onyx]

I get that but during the dev streams doesn’t he spend like a fat 15 minutes actually doing coding and the rest he spends talking about something else or am I misinformed?

[golden latch]

Why?

[split tulip]

they're streams first and foremost, which means engaging with chat and entertainment. the deving is the background

[swift gulch]

The point of the streams is for community interaction first, with the dev work on the side
In addition to that, the stuff he's been doing lately is adjusting configs for the crafting patterns and item balance in his Minecraft mod, not anything related to Heartbound

[shrewd onyx]

I see

Thx

[swift gulch]

Heartbound at the moment is all dialogue writing with the code mostly complete, so doing it on stream would not only be distracting for him, but spoilery and boring for the chat

[golden latch]

😁

[opaque raven]

Moooods!!!!
Give this person 2hrs of League of Legends please!!!

[golden latch]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-bae-saltbae-rain-snow-gif-19537530

[umbral gazelle]

we dont torture people here throwing people in the league of legends containment unit is cruel beyond measure xP /j

[fervent wedge]

Being Sentenced to even 30 mins of LoL has to be a Warcrime of some sorts

Let alone 2 Hours

[idle hill]

2 hours ensures they can get at least 1 long game in

[swift gulch]

There was a joke around the launch of FFXIV Dawntrail that anyone complaining about the game and community should be forced to play five matches of League to get some perspective

[idle hill]

30 minutes means they can stall as long as they want until the timer runs out then they can leave the match

[trim anvil]

I'd pay for ferret code honestly.

[idle hill]

former league player btw

[opaque raven]

I'm on the grind
Round and round we go

[idle hill]

playing warwick, even?

[worthy ivy]

I think it's like monkeys on typewriters
you'd need so many ferrets and so much more time than there is left to run on the universe

bet you could train a ferret to vibe code tho!

[trim anvil]

I didn't say it had to be good code

or even functioning code

just ferret code.

[toxic rampart]

Just a bunch of tablets open on the floor

let them have at it.

[wet storm]

Calories are like the wildest things

Sorry to interject but look at this nonsense

A lemon custard cream cookie is 140 cal

[wind hare]

Its so strange working on a project to help a call center get better access so patients can reach the correct departments, something that effects peoples lives, and no one cares that much about it.

Then I look at the chat/youtube or whatever and people freaking out about stuff that is for a hobby.

Crazy

[wet storm]

Meanwhile this nice bowl of dry cereal I'm eatng like sweet popcorn is 110

And they told me dieting is hard

[toxic rampart]

Macros are the key really afaik.
Empty calories in low values will just leave you hungry again.
Get some protein and macros in a good calorie ratio and you'll avoid hunger longer.

[winged knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920152399941861457/1168171367636676618/1142914651835875400.gif

[earnest cove]

the rate your body uses calories is not as clean cut as Action A Cost B

[hoary pawn]

Thought this said “MacOS” and as a Mac user I got very excited

[winged knoll]

Thank @jolly sky @gloomy forge and everyone else for the nice chat, need to hop off and focus on work since there's a lot of peepo now

[worthy ivy]

if you go traditional english you don't have to worry about calories and just eat a whacking great big chunk of meat with various veggies or salad on the side (as long as you're not over-carbing with lots of bread and tatties)

[winged knoll]

see you guys later

[earnest cove]

one of the stuff i really enjoyed in europe is that any protein is comparatively a ton cheaper than south east asia

[worthy ivy]

english is boring food but not too much empty calories in it

[earnest cove]

I... I like english food.... I like north european food in general

[worthy ivy]

am a sucker for a roast - any excuse to whack a joint in the oven I'm there

[shell osprey]

That's why he's expanding the ferret shelter

[umbral gazelle]

i have seen so many mad ass conspiracies about snails house i think im going insane

[shell osprey]

It's called snails house because the current ferrets are taking too long to program HB

[earnest cove]

I'm of the opnion of that spices and soy sauce makes it too easy to over eat carbs, because folks don't get sick of it quickly

[nova bough]

spices are pretty powerful

[earnest cove]

a good Muruku vanishes in a blink

[nova bough]

i add soy sauce to pretty much any asian or asian adjacent dish

[earnest cove]

Try eating plain rice versus flavoured rice, and I'd get sick of plain rice way sooner than fried or flavoured rice

[umbral gazelle]

pffff

[nova bough]

my problem with rice usually isnt the flavor, but that it doesnt have enough nutrients. it is a good filler though.

[earnest cove]

yeah soy sauce is what makes it 'that part of asia'. few recipies don't have them

[earnest cove]

white rice is almost empty calories. if nutrition is a factor it's much better to look for brown or parboiled

[nova bough]

yeah. i went on a fried rice kick and it eventually became a problem

[earnest cove]

my doctor said i need to cut down on gluten and it's pain because i prefer wheat over rice

[toxic rampart]

Depends.
I use soy in a meal prep I make every so often that's pretty much a spicy chicken with white rice and spiced broccoli.

BUT, I can get what you mean.
Same really for any condiment.
Seeing people slop things up with ketchup or sauce and going into a food coma

[nova bough]

how do you feel about lentils or quinoa?

couscous is good, but i think that has gluten tho

[gloomy forge]

Heya no worries! hope you have a fantastic day

[winged knoll]

it was nice

[earnest cove]

quinoa is too bitter. lentils very gassy...

i did enjoy the lentil soup in europe tho

[nova bough]

i dont find quinoa bitter, interesting.

[earnest cove]

i can really taste the saponins

[gloomy forge]

Sorry for being so intimidating

[earnest cove]

oops husband is here time to concentrate on taht

[winged knoll]

There's some genetic mutation that can make your tastebud functioning different than other actually

[nova bough]

well, if neither of those things work, potatoes are also a good cheap filler

[winged knoll]

my Dutch gf can't taste a lot of plant, she said they all taste like soap to her

[nova bough]

yeah. though to be fair, everyone tastes differently to an extent

but there is the genetic soap flavoring for cilantro

[winged knoll]

Cilantro

[nova bough]

yee i dont have that gene

[winged knoll]

You are lucky then, we have to manually remove a lot of herbs from our dish when she visit because everything taste like soap to her

[nova bough]

ouch

[terse pelican]

That's unfortunate, I wonder what caused that Gene to even show up

[golden latch]

I do and i dont mind it

Soap 😋

[nova bough]

lol

i remember when i had covid years back and i couldnt taste, i went through all my things to see if i could taste anything at all

even weird stuff like plain cinnamon spice

i could actually taste cinnamon

a tiny bit

[golden latch]

Oh that reminded me of the cinnamon challenge where you had to swallow a tablespoon of cinnamon in one minute

I beat that with 7 seconds to spare

[nova bough]

lol

[exotic forge]

It does make me full

[earnest cove]

yeah it does

[wind hare]

Whats the point of drawing the dungeon? Just for your own record or does it serve an ingame purpose?

[ocean agate]

i think its just for you, but you have to put everything, walls, door, secret paths. so like if you dont the only thing it show is what spots you can walk on

[wind hare]

neat concept, would be kinda cool if you could sell your map and get points on it being correct or not.

You could make a whole game just on that

[ocean agate]

i have been working on my gamejam so im not really watching him play too much so there could be something like that

[golden latch]

Especially if it was a infinte dungeon delver where you must “complete” ever changing dungeons

[trim anvil]

it's near impossible to remember things like the routes of FOEs, hidden entrances, et cetera, without drawing the dungeon

[wind hare]

It seems like a fun game.

I'm just not a fan of that type of menu system. I like my mouse and keyboard. If they ever make a new one and its for the pc I would be into uit

I could never get into ff for the same reason

[swift gulch]

This one is a PC port

[wind hare]

But its not a pc menu

[swift gulch]

It's probably playable with mouse and keyboard, he just uses controller

Not sure what you mean then

[lyric venture]

No menus. Which is a different game then ;p

[wind hare]

I mean the menu is not mouse enabled, its not made for a mouse menu system. its made for arrow keys or controller

I like a GUI that I can click on

[lyric venture]

I haven't tried it but presumably you can use a mouse to click on menus, but I suspect this type of game with that type of menus would be very slow on a mouse.

[wind hare]

Which is why I would wait until they make a game like this but with a mouse in mind. Maybe its because I grew up with blizzard games. I need to click.

[swift gulch]

Fair

(have you heard of the hit MMO Final Fantasy XIV--)

[wind hare]

Tried it and bounced off

I tried the one before that as well

Played a monk for a few levels and just hated the GUI

[swift gulch]

I'd recommend trying again, it gets really good later in
The beginning is kinda rough, but I wouldn't say terrible, just unrefined

[wind hare]

I used to play UO, so its completely different

[swift gulch]

The GUI is fully customizable

You can move basically anything on the screen to wherever you want, resize it, and in many cases there are also display options

[lyric venture]

Yeah, there really isn't any games that use UO's interface

[wind hare]

There is a style of eastern games compared to western that I have trouble getting into

Like if they remade FF into a Baulders Gate style engine I would play them all

[swift gulch]

Can't say I can relate, but that's partially because I've spent the past seven years tweaking my UI to exactly the way I want it

I'd still recommend making a trial account and giving it another shot, it's solidly in the position of my favorite game

And has been since Shadowbringers

[lyric venture]

Yeah if you like UO im not sure if there is another game thats really like that.

[trim anvil]

Shadowbringers is pretty good, my favorite expansion so far

[lyric venture]

At least not made in the last 20 years.

[wind hare]

Another thing with FF Online is that you can't skip the Xpaks you don't want to deal with like in WoW. When the creater says they refuse to add in an ability to skip to the current content I am not a fan.

[swift gulch]

I'd say Shadowbringers is my favorite standalone expac, Endwalker if including context of the rest of the story

[worthy ivy]

yeah, 13 is pretty terrible IMO
try 12 - it is completely awesome - hard recommend
8 kicks ass and 7 is the greatest story ever told 🙂

[wind hare]

Imagine having to play every dungeon/quest in WoW just to get to the current update. Crazy

[swift gulch]

That's because it's meant to be a story-focused game primarily

[wind hare]

I can skip a book to the new one if I wanted to, its my choice right? I can then go back and read the past books if I want to. It's taking the choice away from the person and telling them how to play. No thanks

[swift gulch]

XIV is made as a Final Fantasy game first an an MMO second
The main story questline is the primary aspect of the game, and the MMO stuff is what you do between content drops

[wind hare]

I played BG2 before BG1, my choice

[swift gulch]

If you say so, I guess

[trim anvil]

Can't you actually pay to skip expansions in FFXIV though?

[swift gulch]

Yeah, you can get a story skip, but it's a paid thing

[trim anvil]

well, so is the game itself, isn't it?

[wind hare]

I was told there was no way to skip anything

[trim anvil]

you were lied to

[hasty grail]

there are story and class skips for FF14

they get updated to only include NOT RECENT content

[swift gulch]

You can get a story skip
I highly highly recommend against it

[trim anvil]

I skipped Stormblood and I kind of regret it but at the same time not really

[hasty grail]

current expansion and levels are not included in any skip

[hasty grail]

naw, you are fine for it

Lyse is terrible

[swift gulch]

You can only skip to the base level of the current expansion at most
Or to the base level of any expansion of your choice

[wind hare]

So if you wanted to skip to the current Xpak, how much would that cost?

[swift gulch]

Again, I absolutely do not recommend doing this

[trim anvil]

they can always replay old content though

and it's kind of their choice

[hasty grail]

assuming you are trying to get an alt for other raiding....

[swift gulch]

Yeah but at that point you're reading the last chapter of a book with zero context or information, then going back to read the rest

And out of everyone I've talked to who did that

None of them gave two shits about the story

Because the ending was already done for them

[wind hare]

I would only be playing because they friends are also into the game and I would want to raid with them. I don't like most of the story

[trim anvil]

perhaps they wouldn't have cared about the story regardless

[swift gulch]

Then don't bother I guess

[hasty grail]

i know one of the WoW raiding teams did story skips initially with several of them going through and playing the story later

[swift gulch]

I just think it's an absolute dogshit way to experience a piece of media

[wind hare]

it says you need a lvl 90 character before using it or am i reading that incorrectly?

[rose echo]

I concur with Dendrago. It's an important, irreversible decision, so be damn sure you want to do it. Not only are you paying extra to play less game, but you will go into something that many have already experienced and given feedback on - and it's always the same - they ruin any potential for enjoying the story. Even if they later regret it and try to get into the story, they deal with entire hosts of issues.

[swift gulch]

It gives you a level 90 character

[hasty grail]

what i posted does not

this does

[swift gulch]

Oh, thought that included it

So you'd have to get a level skip as well

[hasty grail]

This item will not raise your character's level.

[swift gulch]

I didn't see that part 😛

[hasty grail]

i posted the full thing to be read for a reason

[swift gulch]

It was an assumption on my end, and yeah I was wrong

[wind hare]

thank you for the information, but I think spending 50 dollars for a skip is kinda crazy.

[rose echo]

Peer pressure to jump into raiding is never a good thing to give in to. If you're gonna buy both boosts, make sure it is something you won't mind financially, and won't mind potentially regretting later, should you ever have a change of heart in regards to caring about the story.

[hasty grail]

no crap

[swift gulch]

Which is another reason I absolutely don't recommend doing it

[hasty grail]

personally, as someone who played through the end of Endwalker

[swift gulch]

FFXIV really can't be approached the way most MMOs are

[hasty grail]

i might do a story skip and class skip to skip to the end of ARR

[swift gulch]

From my time with WoW, it was just
Get to the current endgame and do current endgame stuff
Everything outside of that was fluff and not really necessary at all

[trim anvil]

skipping ARR is very understandable

[hasty grail]

i can only play ARR once.... its a good baseline for the rest of the game but it is rough

[swift gulch]

FFXIV is made to be very story-heavy
Everything has a questline and a story and lore and characters, and all of that gives a lot more context behind what you're doing

ARR I thought was unpolished but not really as terrible as people make it out to be

[rose echo]

Tbh I enjoy ARR more than some of the later content

[hasty grail]

for a casual player you should not need alt accounts

[swift gulch]

ARR is definitely at the bottom of the list for me, but even then it's like a 5-6/10

[hasty grail]

you can experience all story and content on a single character, play all classes, do all raids

[swift gulch]

Yeah, FFXIV is made to be an all-on-one-character MMO

[hasty grail]

however, some people do like ERP and i dont mean raid prog and need alts for those

[swift gulch]

The story is long, but you only really have to do it once

[hasty grail]

i think FF14 story is great, aside from Dawntrail

[swift gulch]

If you want to play other classes, you just go talk to the trainer

[rose echo]

I think a lot of people misattribute things like being unfamiliar with the systems, not having many skills yet, etc. with the story and so on. But frankly, even my first time around, I enjoyed ARR a lot, and since I've played through it again on alts

[swift gulch]

Dawntrail was fine

[hasty grail]

personal ranking seeing as we are now in MMO/FF14 talk

using the shorthand for each for sanity

[swift gulch]

ARR < SB <= DT < HW < ShB <= EW

[hasty grail]

ShB = EW > HW > ARR > DT =StB

i really hate Lyse for the record

[swift gulch]

Same

[rose echo]

what are you even basing said ranking on

[swift gulch]

I wouldn't say "hate" but like
Yeah she's not that great of a character

[rose echo]

story? gameplay? overall?

[hasty grail]

both EW and ShB do have slow moments which prevents both from being true 10/10 expansions, but each are great

[swift gulch]

Personal opinion on story

[rose echo]

what kind of player are you?

[hasty grail]

personal preference

[swift gulch]

I'm talking specifically about story with that

[hasty grail]

ye

[swift gulch]

Gameplay, I can't say
I've only seriously done current gameplay in ShB and onward, so I don't really have much of a comparison point

[hasty grail]

i cant take gameplay into account for FF14 given how the leveling system works

[swift gulch]

I got to endgame in ARR the day before Snowcloak was added, did SB back during 4.1, but both times got to endgame and basically immediately bounced off

[hasty grail]

and i only started played after ShB was launched and thus missed out on early ARR things

[swift gulch]

(Cross-class abilities )

[hasty grail]

ive heard the horror stories

now give PLD a rez

because its funny

[rose echo]

well, in case you're unaware, ARR has been changed multiple times over the years

[swift gulch]

If you want to play Warrior, you have to get Gladiator to 15
Except no you don't, you have to get it to 26, because that gives Provoke and you can't play a tank without it

[hasty grail]

when ShB was launched, there was still the cape westwind trial

[swift gulch]

Yeah, I've done both pre and post-rework ARR

[hasty grail]

whats what i remember

[rose echo]

Either way, I need to go, so I'll just circle back to what started this

[swift gulch]

👋

[hasty grail]

good because i came in late

[rose echo]

imho no new player should seriously consider skipping, unless you really know what you're doing and you're fine with it. And making people aware of what that decision is, withing reason, is something we should all do.

[hasty grail]

bingo

[swift gulch]

Yeah, agreed

[hasty grail]

and price to skip in FF14 is also a barrier but in a good way

[swift gulch]

The best video I can recommend is Jocat's "300 Hours" video
It's a very good intro to the "I don't care about the story I just want to play an MMO" approach to FFXIV, how that ended up harming his enjoyment with the game, and how he came around on the game later

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-girls-gif-21220553

[swift gulch]

https://youtu.be/7LM08VrEs6k

[brazen drift]

My friend tried to play 14 but the grind to get to the "good" parts burnt him out

[swift gulch]

(The part cut off at the end is (and how you can too in far less time))

[wet coral]

i can hear it... without sound.

[hasty grail]

i think the best way to do it is play with them on an alt

[swift gulch]

Yeah, that's part of the problem that I have with everyone saying ARR sucks so much
It encourages people to just rush through it, not pay attention to anything, and get to the "good" stuff
When ARR had some pretty enjoyable parts of its own that get overlooked

[rose echo]

tbh that's just a misconception that sets you up for failure to begin with. The good part is the entire game. You might like some moments more than others, but if you're hating your life while playing through ARR, you're not gonna enjoy the rest either most likely

[brazen drift]

oh I refuse to touch that game lmao, he tried to play with our giant group of friends who WERE on an alt

[rose echo]

He worded it better than me

[hasty grail]

some ARR characters are key later on

[brazen drift]

i was in there listening whenever they played and he did not sound like he was having a good time.

[swift gulch]

Absolutely
The events of ARR are incredibly important to the rest of the game, and set the stage for everything that comes after

[rose echo]

tbh it's kinda like "Let me buy a skip to act 3 of BG3" like and watcha gonna do then? murder hobo? you won't even know the mechanics of the game yet

[hasty grail]

https://youtu.be/PQcRVUlWWc4

i want to point this out to people

Quin did buy a story and character skip to try high end raiding

[swift gulch]

The other thing to keep in mind is
FFXIV does a really good (or bad, depending on how you look at it) job of delineating between story and gameplay
Quests are for story, so if you're doing quests, expect a lot of cutscenes, a lot of dialogue, and a lot of running around talking to people
Break out the popcorn and make a day out of it
The best approach I've seen is to treat it like a visual novel with occasional gameplay sections

Outside of the quests, you still have the dungeons, raids, crafting and gathering, and the endgame of each expansion
And those are loaded with combat and other types of interactive content

Part of the problem is that with ARR, since it's so much longer than the expacs on its own, it takes a lot longer to get to that endgame bit which has all the gameplay-focused aspects
So a lot of people burn out and stop trying before they get to it if they're just trying to rush through the story to the "good" part

[hasty grail]

its a combination of knowing mechanics and your class

[brazen drift]

Look if it takes me longer than 5 hours to like a game, i do not want to play that game

[hasty grail]

depends on the game

if i know the story is a slow burn then i will stick with it for longer

[swift gulch]

First off theres still stuff to enjoy in the first five hours
And second I think that's a very limiting way to approach media, personally

[hasty grail]

if its purely gameplay issues then sure, swap off

[brazen drift]

Nope. 5 hours is my maximum. I give anime 3 episodes

[swift gulch]

🤷

[hasty grail]

????

[brazen drift]

thats Less hours for a TV/Anime than a video game. I give video games MORE time to hook me

[hasty grail]

mods, release the ferrets on Serene

[wet coral]

Sadly some games take a while to get fun/good

[brazen drift]

I aint got 10 hours to waste on something that im not liking in THE HOPES that i will like it later on

[wet coral]

Look at Days Gone.. that game was a slug for a while.. but in the end it got good.

[swift gulch]

FFXIV very much has the JRPG trope of like
First quest: Save a lost cat
Last quest: Kill god

[rose echo]

There's also the fact you're getting acquainted with the game itself, setting it up, etc. Which a lot of people forget are necessary steps

[rose echo]

I think you missed what he said that there's stuff to enjoy in those first hours.

[hasty grail]

kill gods was middle, the end is stop the end of the world with a beach episode after

[brazen drift]

If I dont like something I'm not going to waste my time on it because it wasn't for me.

[wispy plover]

It's funny cus I have learned for a couple games to go back and push further and see if I like it. FFXV comes to mind.

But with Anime, I am pretty much right there with ya.

[brazen drift]

I mean maybe there is stuff for YOU to enjoy in it

[hasty grail]

you know

[brazen drift]

not everyone is going to enjoy that stuff

[hasty grail]

i almost forgot something when it comes to FF14 specifically

[rose echo]

I mean, if you're certain you don't have anything you'll enjoy there, then yeah, do not look at it at all

[brazen drift]

I mean yeah i dont, cuz i know i wont have fun

[hasty grail]

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[lapis flame]

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[swift gulch]

That just seems like such a miserable approach to storytelling and media
And I know personally it would've shut me out of not only my favorite game, but also my favorite series of books

[hasty grail]

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[lapis flame]

uwu pasta even

[swift gulch]

Probably my favorite show, too

[brazen drift]

I know my limitations in games. I dont have fun with MMOs, I don't have fun with binding of issac type of games, I dont like trial and error games like noita, i dont like fighting games (street fighter style)

[lapis flame]

im being spoiled

[fallow fable]

roguelike is the noita type game genre

[hasty grail]

Look at them, they come to this discord when they know they are not pure. The Users use the channels, but they are mere chatters. Only I, Stapel238, know the true power of the Discord. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's nitro membership, the Discord called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Discord. Behold the Users, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the membership. Forever bound to the Discord. Let it be known, if the Users want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my membership. It is time. I will teach these chatters the redemptive power of my membership. They will learn it's simple truth. The Users are lost, and they will resist. But I, Stapel238, will cleanse this place of their impurity.

based on WF's Vor copypasta

crap

[rose echo]

Anyway, have a good night yall

[brazen drift]

You know you'd think that it's a miserable approach to story telling and media, but frankly my list of things ive watched is nothing but pure enjoyment and Ive only had to say "no this ones a slow burn" to someone ONCE

[hasty grail]

i should swap out memebership for nitro

[swift gulch]

If you say so

[brazen drift]

my time is more precious to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

at least i do give things a try

[hasty grail]

time is precious, but full enjoyment is priceless

[brazen drift]

i think 3 episodes to decide if something hooks me is More than fair for certain media. if i spend 3 hours watching a netflix show and it doesnt grab me then oh well

[swift gulch]

None of the flash-in-the-pan "it was good at the start" games have stuck with me as well as the hundreds of hours I've gone through FFXIV's story and the heights it got to

Stormlight Archive I literally only stuck with past the first quarter of book one because i'd enjoyed other things from that author

[brazen drift]

You know what anime is a slow burn that grabbed me Immediately? Frieren

just because its a slow burn doesnt mean it cant be immediately captivating

On the other side of the coin, my friend and I pained our way through the resident evil series with lance reddick on netflix and that absolutely did not deserve all our attention but because we're resident evil fans we tried so hard to justify any bit of it and we came to the conclusion the only interesting parts were of the flashback sequences and that lance reddick was the GLUE holding that together

[terse pelican]

Friren was amazing.

[brazen drift]

would not recommend anyone else watch that

[opaque raven]

Congratulations to the last tts

Brilliant 🔥

[worthy ivy]

Lance always delivered
always

[brazen drift]

Rip Lance 😭

[worthy ivy]

shit

missed that news
sadge

[brazen drift]

Oh yeah he died in like November or something. It was so sad

He was voicing thordak in tlovm and doing so phenomenally

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/this-should-be-good-captain-lance-reddick-castlevania-this-should-be-great-gif-17169515159308564853

[wind hare]

Top Ramen Hotpot - Thai Coconut and Curry Chicken. Decent but could be better

first time trying it

[muted robin]

peak wow player moment tbh it's painful how the remaining playerbase doesn't care about 90% of the game

[swift gulch]

The funny thing is
If you'd asked me two years ago, I would've said hands down that FFXIV was not only the best MMO community I'd been in, but the best gaming community as a whole

Now though I realize it was partially a byproduct of the game being at such a high point as it was during Shadowbringers and early Endwalker

Since then, the EW post-patch cycle went on a relative decline and Dawntrail got mixed reception, and the FFXIV community ate itself alive just like any other

These days I mostly ignore the community outside of my few friend groups, because just
Goddamn have they gotten toxic over every single slight discrepancy they can find

The insane part about it is, gameplay-wise, this is the best the game has been in a long time, if not ever
I can't say for sure on ever, but the gameplay aspects of Dawntrail are better than any I've played since mid-Shadowbringers

The high-end fights are fantastic, the gathering and crafting zone is fun as hell, the combat zone needs a bit of balance scaling with the raid but is otherwise great
The only thing that isn't living up to this height is the story itself, and even that I wouldn't say is particularly bad, just kinda average

[mortal bay]

@swift gulch hellooo there

[swift gulch]

👋

[mortal bay]

krishnaravichander3132 here

[opaque raven]

I've been playing FFXIV for some time (500hrs maybe, idk), free trial, and for the longest time I never even interacted with the community outside the game. At most sporadic talks like this one
Until I started to really get into MINE and daaaamn, this part of the community is amazing

I tried the main ff14 discord for a while but...it wasn't very pleasant, maybe I got unlucky and got the wrong people at the wrong time

[swift gulch]

Ye, there's definitely some really good pockets of the community, just have to find your niche

My Savage group is fun as hell

[gray fable]

Is it find to ask about etrian odyssey in this channel because Thor is playing it?

[swift gulch]

https://www.twitch.tv/nightshade1212/clip/RefinedFunnyLadiesPoooound-kNQ4QXQIKc50Mji_

[fathom stone]

Yep

[opaque raven]

YES!!!!

[swift gulch]

I'm the Warrior in the back of that clip

[gray fable]

In class based games I tend to try messing around with one of each, or at least just playing them all in a single playthrough. Is that something I can do in etrian odyssey?

[opaque raven]

Sweet lord...
I don't even know this boss yet, maybe it's out of my free trial reach

[opaque raven]

Hell yeah. I love the series, have all the games and I can say for sure that this is a game where experimenting is a huge part of it

Basically you are not the characters, you are the guild, so it's always 2 clicks away from changing everything around, making new chars is super easy too

You can have a team focused on farm, other focused on huge bosses (called FOE) and a team for long trips/scout for example.
The game gives you no tutorial whatsoever and this is voluntary for you to figure out the combinations on your own

[swift gulch]

This is the current Savage tier, and it's honestly one of the hardest we've had in a long time, so there's no shame in that 😛

The adds phase in this fight is generally considered the hardest non-Ultimate mechanic we've gotten since like SB or even HW, depending on who you ask

[opaque raven]

Oh trust me...team wipe is my life
We've been on Rafflesia Savage MINE for 2 weeks now

[swift gulch]

Oh nice
I had a MINE party for Coils a long while back
We got stonewalled on T9 and ended up disbanding after a few weeks

[opaque raven]

It was going pretty smoothly but T6 put a break on us
But i'm having a lot of fun

[swift gulch]

Ye, it's definitely a good time
I wish I'd done it that way to begin with, but I had a friend blitz me through for the story back when I hit 50

[opaque raven]

What's t9 again?
Let me see....

Oh....oh no....sweet lord...

I tried with random teams T9 mine for a while but...it was very complicated, I don't think we reached p4 at all

@gray fable was I able to answer your question?

[swift gulch]

We got as far as the dragons coming in, and then that just wrecked us

[opaque raven]

That's something I really enjoyed
I played alone, no community, no friends, I just picked up and played
No rush, nothing, just taking things on my own time and it was amazing
I'm putting all jobs on 60 and thn 70, slowly, chilling, hunting blue magic, so much fun

That's one reason I never bought the game or payed subsc, I already have a LOT of things to do

[gray fable]

Yes

[swift gulch]

Ye, I had a friend who had hundreds of hours in the game before he ever dropped a dime
Because he was going for full completionism and wanted to do all the raids and such

[opaque raven]

And the pressure of "I have to play this month bcs I already payed" would remove this freedom for me

[opaque raven]

I'm
Even
Doing
Sightseeing log ☀️

[swift gulch]

I don't mind paying the sub, because having FFXIV as a consistent fallback if I get bored of other things means I don't spend however much money on new games instead 😛

Ye

The community around here is nice
And even some of the disagreements in the stream chat can at least lead to engaging discussions

[brisk spoke]

best floor tank

[swift gulch]

Dragoons not beating the stereotype

[opaque raven]

I'm leveling summoner now
Dragoon will probably be the next

[brisk spoke]

That, and red mage Verbackflip. Staples of FFXIV

(I say this as a RDM main btw)

[swift gulch]

Oh and as far as that mechanic specifically
When the boss changes into that phase, she puts a debuff on both of the healers, one tank, and one DPS
Stuff starts exploding and you have to dodge around a bunch, but there are a few consistent patterns with good safe spots that aren't too hard to figure out with practice
Once that's done, the tank and healer with the debuff have about five seconds to get the hell away
Both of them explode, and the nearest player to the boss is hit with a stack marker
That's the entire thing 😛

[opaque raven]

One fear I had was the community having any form of prejudice against free trial
But not at all, I haven't seen not a single drop of it

[gray fable]

Ff11 and 14 are games I will have to get around to playing

[trim crater]

https://tenor.com/view/my-apologies-cheese-kitty-cat-sorry-my-bad-gif-1026852287997442026

just wanted to mention cheese

bye

[brisk spoke]

Yes. Join us. We have coffee biscuits :>

[gray fable]

In ff14 I think I got bored because I was playing solo the entire time and had barely any interaction with other players

And the quest line is confusing me

[swift gulch]

It's not really Pokemon, it's more like Final Fantasy
You have your team of characters, and you explore dungeons with them
The two most interesting gimmicks I've seen of the game are

1. The in-game map only shows you the squares on the grid that you've visited, and you have to draw walls and shortcuts and everything else by yourself
2. The turn-based combat has you queue up your entire party at once, and then the game plays out a full round in speed-order including the enemies, so you have to plan out the round ahead of time for what the enemies might do

[opaque raven]

There is an option on the new versions to auto-complete the map as you go. It helps for those who don't like this part of the game but enjoy the rest

[swift gulch]

Quick rule of thumb for the game:

• Purple quests with the big flame border are Main Scenario, and are required to progress through the game; think of them like the main story of a JRPG
• Blue quests with the plus are tied to some kind of content unlock, whether that's side dungeons, raids, or even the daily quest vendors; they aren't strictly required, but I'd still recommend knocking them out when you find any
• Brown quests that just have the exclamation mark are purely sideqeusts, and are just there to flesh out the zones and give some extra rewards

[brisk spoke]

Focus on the MSQ first, blue quests are mostly unlockables (e.g. new classes etc)

[gray fable]

ATM I’m a level 20 conjurer on the coeurl server

[swift gulch]

Questing in this game, unless you're specifically doing it alongside a friend, is 99% a solo experience
If you're doing story, it's best to treat the game as a single-player game that you group up with others for high points like dungeons and raids

[brisk spoke]

Conjurer turns into White Mage. Insanely fun job imho

[wet coral]

just be aware.. current Brown quests might turn blue later on due to new content.

[gray fable]

I intend to go red mage actually because it’s my favorite job in ff

[wet coral]

Always recheck

[swift gulch]

Do you know what level your current main story quest is? That matters a lot more for progression through the game than your class level

[swift gulch]

Yeah, but those are fairly rare instances; usually they're marked blue up front

[wet coral]

I played too much FFXIV.. i am omniclassed..

[gray fable]

I don’t even know which one is the main quest I’m supposed to do

[swift gulch]

The only ones I can think of like that are like
Moogles and Doman Enclave

[wet coral]

Every single class max level on 1 char.

[swift gulch]

It's the one with the flame border on it

[opaque raven]

White Mage is so good
So comfy, so chill

[brisk spoke]

RDM is insanely fun as well. Especially in certain content. Saved the party quite a few times due to dualcast verraise 😄

[gray fable]

There’s a of flame border quests

[wet coral]

I prefer Sage as Healer myself.

Pew pew.

[gray fable]

Hold on

[wet coral]

Don't tell Carbuncle tho. (congrads on who get that hint)

[brisk spoke]

poor Carby 😦

[opaque raven]

I'm on free trial, sadly I'm missing out on some things, mainly

• Pew pew pew
• spooky slice

[wet coral]

You also miss out on ADHD sword play.

aka Viper

and drawing the doors pregnant in Treasure maps as a threat as Picto.

[gray fable]

I think the solo experience is Whats made me gradually lose interest in ff14, because it’s lead to barely any interaction with players and it feels like I won’t find anyone to play with at all.

[opaque raven]

Oh ye, I need to learn how treasure maps work

I don't think I ever got one

[wet coral]

If i am ever online on FF14. I am on the Crystal Data Center Mateus Feel free to hit me up

[swift gulch]

Grouping up and doing other content mostly happens at the capstone of each expansion, though there is still some stuff to do along the way in between

Have you gotten to any of the dungeons yet?

[brisk spoke]

might be worth it to join Novice Network in that case

[opaque raven]

Oh ye, I'm also curious about Picto

[brisk spoke]

Picto is fun!

[swift gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214461970108121128/1377099685566877726/profile.png?ex=687ba0c6&is=687a4f46&hm=a513d96540785c4f7d601eca84c7f70d549c5ce4d788b102b9896ac811b06b61&

[gray fable]

I got out what I assume is the intro, and I think done the novice network quest line

[wet coral]

Ahh A fellow man/woman/person of culture. Full 100(asides BLU 80)

[swift gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

My main is WAR, and it's what I use for basically everything at endgame

[opaque raven]

Here I am dashing around with Red Mage and out of nowhere someone picks up a giant hammer made of paint and bonked everything

[wet coral]

I got a not mentionable(atleast for FFXIV) that picks a random class and i do content on that class for the day.

[opaque raven]

All those 100
So beautiful

[swift gulch]

I swap to DRK if I have to do something at 60 or lower, and PLD for high-end 50's

(If you can't tell, I like tanking 😛 )

[wet coral]

You like getting hit And blaming the healers

And saying You pull it you Tank it to DPS

[opaque raven]

Ok, i'm gonna finish my DD run and will play some ff14 now
Thanks for the hype

[swift gulch]

[wet coral]

[swift gulch]

Alright, you should be at or around some of the first group content, then
Did you find out what level your current MSQ is?

[brisk spoke]

see, I'm something of a healer myself

[opaque raven]

It's going to be kinda...weird to do Dragoon's job quests now I guess

[wet coral]

I think you are at Satasha then potentionally?

[opaque raven]

After all that

[wet coral]

WAR aka I need no healers. I'll do it myself.

[swift gulch]

Hell yeah

[wet coral]

I am THAT ANGRY!

[swift gulch]

Local Man Too Angry to Die

https://tenor.com/view/antipoot-200mad-200-mad-antipoot200mad-gif-19817718

[brisk spoke]

insanely hilarious when the healer of the party dies, and there's 1 DPS left. Nascent Glint intensifies

[gray fable]

I think because I’ve been largely playing ff14 without guides, my character is pretty much bloated with ‘required’ quests

[wet coral]

After all we Yeet someone into the sky Team Rocket style in the Job quests.

[gray fable]

And solo conjurer has been a miserably slow experience

[swift gulch]

Ye, that's kinda why I was giving the pic earlier
That shows the types of quests and the icon for them
Main Scenario is the only type that's strictly required, but I'd also recommend doing the content unlock ones
Sidequests are skippable if you want, and you can always come back for them later

[wet coral]

The is a UI element that usally mentions your Main Story quest. Unless you have hidden it.

[opaque raven]

I kinda wish we had a more dot oriented job, but this ended up spread across all jobs I guess

[swift gulch]

No joke, the only way my static is managing to get through the adds phase of M6S is by me spamming Nascent Flash on the offtank every time it's up
I can just AoE the squirrels and the boss and full-heal myself, so giving him the damage reduction and more healing is insanely helpful

[swift gulch]

Understandable
Good news is that you're not locked to a single class, you can just go talk to the trainers and pick up any of them that you want

[wet coral]

I mean for me its useless so i have it hidden but you should have this somewhere?

[swift gulch]

Your current class is determined by your equipped weapon, so swapping gear will change your class on the fly at any time outside of dungeons and combat
Levels are tracked individually per class, and it'll take you back up or down to that level when you switch

[gray fable]

According to my own memory, I think I need to raise conjurer because it’s my starting job

[swift gulch]

You should only need I think level ten on your first class to be able to pick up others
Either that or do the level ten class quest

(Speaking of which, do your class quests, it's how you get most of your abilities in the early game)

[brisk spoke]

This is the way you unga-bunga 🫡

[swift gulch]

It was really funny when we had that realization
And doing that made it so much easier for both him and the healers

Because I'm standing there smacking two squirrels, the boss, and a manta ray
Meaning Nascent Flash is healing both him and myself for 1600 potency every GCD

It's effectively a Benediction on both of the tanks every 25 seconds

[brisk spoke]

I really want to do the Arcadion savages but I don't have the patience to deal with a static

[swift gulch]

Fair

M6S is insane though

[ocean agate]

i thought yours looked like this

[brisk spoke]

Was in a static in the shb days, but the drama just isn't worth it for me

[swift gulch]

Our static leader has cleared the tier already, and he said that the add phase of M6S is the hardest thing of this entire tier, so we're basically free and clear now that we've gotten it cleaned up
Just need to learn the rest, and none of it will be as difficult as that

Like, legit
This entire thing is about a 3-minute blitz, during which every role has different things they need to be doing, damage is getting pumped out constantly with even more on the tanks, and you're repositioning the entire party every ten seconds or so

[brisk spoke]

Oh that's a VERY nice to have if your lead knows the fight already. I'm assuming he does the callouts as well?

[swift gulch]

Ye

He's an Ultimate raider and has gotten a clear on all of them so far

He has a hardcore group on the side that takes time off work for week-one clears
And the current tier of Arcadion is the first tier they didn't get on the first week since Kefka

[brisk spoke]

holy shit 😄

[swift gulch]

Yep 😛

[brisk spoke]

Hardcore raiders, right there

[swift gulch]

And now we have him and seven other dumbasses trying it

(It's me, I'm one of those dumbasses)

[brisk spoke]

I mean, you play WAR. No thoughts. Only unga-bunga

[swift gulch]

Hell yeah

[brisk spoke]

(I too, am a dumbass)

[swift gulch]

🤝

Do you want a breakdown of the whole adds phase? 😛

I have the thing committed to memory from how much we've practiced it

[brisk spoke]

I will probably not remember it by the time I get there lmao

but thx anyway!

[swift gulch]

Nah, not for you to remember, just for an impression of how insane this is

[brisk spoke]

Oh fair!

[swift gulch]

It's one of the most fun things I've managed to get down in any of the high-end content I've done

[gray fable]

I think Thor forgot to add the kobold and goblin stuff again, unless I’m mistaken

[swift gulch]

So important info to start, the five types of adds:

• Squirrels, small guys, generally held by the main tank along with the boss
• Yan, big ram thing, held by the offtank; if the Yan gets too close to the squirrels, it gets a permanent damage buff strong enough to one-shot the tanks
• Feather Ray, spawns in a corner and tethers to the first person to deal damage, then starts dropping Vuln Up puddles under wherever they're standing that last for the duration of the phase
• Cat, jumps around the arena at random, and every sixth jump will target a player and start casting an AoE on that spot; also if they're left alive too long, they cast Comet and instant-wipe the raid
• Jabberwock, spawns at one side of the arena and targets a healer; after about ten seconds, it binds that healer in place and starts moving towards them, then instant-kills them if it makes it there

[teal zodiac]

This is my situation right now. MSQ wise i just started Post-Stormblood

[wet coral]

Trial or normal account?

[swift gulch]

Wave one spawns two squirrels, a Yan, and a cat
Main tank takes squirrels and boss and pulls them south, offtank takes Yan
DPS burn the Yan, and once it's at about a quarter left, ranged switch to burning down the cat

While all of this is happening, wave two spawns two Feather Rays and two more squirrels
Main tank takes the extra squirrels and the boss, then drags them up to one of the rays to AoE burn the entire pack
By now the first Yan is dead, so the DPS all switch over to the pack
Once the ray is dead, main tank goes across to the other

While that move is happening, wave three spawns a Jabberwock and another Yan
Offtank picks up the Yan, main tank holds the squirrels and boss on top of the other Ray until it dies, then everyone switches to single-target the Jabberwock before it gets to the healer
During this, the main tank and one melee have to stun it to keep it from getting there too fast
After all of this, the boss casts a raid-wide AoE; if any of the squirrels are still up, the duplicate the AoE and it's almost guaranteed death

Fourth wave spawns two more rays, two more squirrels, another cat, another Yan, and a Jabberwock
Main tank grabs squirrels and pulls them east, offtank grabs Yan and pulls them west
Once the offtank is in position and out of the way, main tank moves north and stuns the Jabberwock
Once it's dead, main tank goes back to the southeast for the ray and the party burns it down
Melee move across to the other ray, ranged kill the cat jumping around then join them
After the other ray, AoE boss and squirrels until they're dead, then offtank comes to group with the rest of the party while they burn down the Yans
Boss does another raid-wide at this time, and same thing applies with the squirrels as it did before

Then immediately after all of this is done, the boss smacks both tanks with a tankbuster hit, then casts another raid wide to finish

This is all in about three minutes

[brisk spoke]

jfc 😬 That IS insane. And I thought Sophia EX was hard

[opaque raven]

Trial

[brisk spoke]

(though I do that 2 fingers in my nose and the other in my pocket nowadays)

[swift gulch]

Yeah, it's the kind of thing that like
There's so much going on and so many moving parts that it takes a long time to get down properly
But then once you do, it flows like a dance and feels fantastic

[swift gulch]

Also worth noting
During all of this, the tanks are getting auto-attacked by either the boss and 2-4 squirrels, or 1-2 Yans
Both of which will be ripping through your health bar like paper

[gray fable]

i have no clue what im doing

[brisk spoke]

thst's the thing with XIV. Once it clicks, there's a certain rhythm to it

[swift gulch]

You have to cycle your mitigation constantly and always have something up or you just start dying fast

[swift gulch]

What's your current main story quest at, in terms of level? You should be able to see it in your log

[junior apex]

if you were in a static im sure youve seen these but this is my favorite yt for learning raids https://youtube.com/@mtqcapture?si=W9fuAAnxS8NGFbbS

[swift gulch]

Same, MTQ is great

Is she back to making guides?

[gray fable]

does anyone else here play on coeurl

[swift gulch]

I'm on Midgard, myself

[junior apex]

been a hot minute since ive played but it seems like her last 1 was a few months ago

[wet coral]

Mateus, Different server same datacenter tho.

[swift gulch]

Yeah, just the Normals for this tier

[gray fable]

i think im just in need of people to play ff14 to play with, because playing solo is leading to me losing interest

[brisk spoke]

MTQ is GOATed. I really prefer her guides over Hector's

[swift gulch]

Again, that kinda depends on how far into the story you are

[junior apex]

playing solo on a mmorpg is a silly idea go make friends lol

[opaque raven]

I'm trying to do every single quest of the game
I'm going map by map and now I'm in Dravania, everything else behind is already done (aside from that huge one about zodiac weapons that goes across the whole game iirc)

[swift gulch]

It's not that silly for FFXIV specifically

[brisk spoke]

Legit though, join the Novice Network. Should be able to with the free trial.

[swift gulch]

The story itself is a fairly solo-oriented experience

[junior apex]

its way more fun with others imo even if its doable solo

[swift gulch]

Ye, not denying that 😛

[gray fable]

no one has showed up for that

[brisk spoke]

wdym? It's a general chat like a linkshell. ime it's always active

[gray fable]

if you're talking about the quest that tells me how my job works, i've done that

[swift gulch]

Not that

[brisk spoke]

No, Novice Network is like a chatroom

[swift gulch]

Yeah that

[brisk spoke]

It's usually people that are new to the game and "mentors"

from my experience there's always plenty of people that are willing to run content with you

[swift gulch]

If you don't have that option there, there's an NPC in the main city in the tavern area that can get you into it

[junior apex]

i find that people blast through old things without considering that someone might be new so its really nice to have a few people who will be more patient. also its nice to find someone who will fly you around bc walking sucks

[brisk spoke]

Shame you're not on Light, I'd be happy to run content with you

[brisk spoke]

Usually, if you say "Hi, new here o/" in party chat when the duty starts, people are more than willing for cutscenes and stuff

[swift gulch]

The Smith, that's what he's called

[brisk spoke]

at least on Light

[junior apex]

cutscenes were never my problem. when i was trying to learn to heal i kept getting tanks that did not understand that i was learning and doing hige pulls. same issue when i tried to learn to tank, people would get mad i was being slow 🤷‍♀️ it just takes a minute to get into the swing of things

[junior apex]

dps is an easier choice for the main quests XD but apparently i cant just take the easy option

[swift gulch]

Talk to this guy in the tavern in the main city, and he can get you into the Novice Network chat

[teal zodiac]

Also, i would strongly advice doing this, the Hall of the Novice. Not only gives you some pretty good information on how the game works but also at the end you get a very good ring for levelling

[swift gulch]

Yeah, I think they said they did that

[junior apex]

maybe i should renew my subscription... i havent played since just after endwalker launched

[swift gulch]

Sounds like you've got quite a bit ahead of you to catch up on 😛

Post-EW is nice, basically just a "filler" arc between major stories

I say filler in quotations because it makes some pretty goddamn big implications that there's no way they won't pick up in the future

The other thing that was considered "filler" until it suddenly wasn't was post-HW with the Warriors of Darkness

[opaque raven]

I loved post HW, a lot

[junior apex]

yeah ut seemed like story was really ramping up but i got distracted with raiding lol. i really liked that stupid fairy one the song was fun

[swift gulch]

Titania?

[junior apex]

yeah love her

[swift gulch]

Ye, she's fun

Did you make it to the end of base Endwalker?

[junior apex]

no XD

[swift gulch]

Heh, fair enough

[junior apex]

i wanted the mounts..

[swift gulch]

Yeah, Endwalker was the conclusion to the Hydaelyn and Zodiark saga that's been going since 2.0

So since that was a conclusion of it's own, doing what they usually do with the post-expac patches and using them to tie up the story didn't really fit
Instead they decided to just make it a self-contained arc of its own

[opaque raven]

Do we still have Hildibrand quests after Stormblood?

[swift gulch]

Yep!

They got cut for dev time during Shadowbringers on account of COVID, but they came back with Endwalker and are still going in Dawntrail

[junior apex]

i kept getting distracted with old raids and also building subs

also i really liked the nightclub scene at the time

[swift gulch]

Hey, no shame in that, enjoy the game how you like 😛

My main beat has always been crafting and gathering, plus high-end raids whenever I can find a static

[junior apex]

i loved the gathering. the firmament (i think that was the name?? im forgetting) was a fav and i spent hours there every day

[swift gulch]

You'll adore Cosmic Exploration, then 😛

You can start on it once you're through the Endwalker story
Picture it as a gathering zone with a bunch of rapid-fire levequests with special rules

[junior apex]

yeah ill probably get a sub next month. i have a lot of free time rn so it would be a good idea to have something to do

[swift gulch]

For the gathering, it's like
Instead of just "get <x> items"
You have ones where only Gatherer's Boon procs count towards score
Or multiple items in a row on the same node
Or collectibles
Or get it in under a time limit, and faster times give a better score

[junior apex]

hm interesting. i really like mindless grinding so im not sure if ill like it as much but itll probably still be fun

[swift gulch]

The Fishing ones are basically Big Fish lite, and use a lot of the same techniques and knowledge for their targets

Ah, fair enough
It's less mindless, but I really enjoyed it

Still mindless enough that I had no problem putting on a show in the background

[junior apex]

probably more on the level of paying attention as the timed nodes? i did a lot of gathering those for subs

[swift gulch]

The crafting ones have their own brand of gimmick as well
Some of the crafts are like, stupid-high Quality requirement, but low enough Progress that you can get it in a single hit
Or vice versa, barely any Quality but a shitton of Progress to complete

[junior apex]

i enjoyed making crafting macros so that should* be easy enough

[swift gulch]

Like 80% of the missions can be macro'd to max score, but some have such high stat requirements that they're statistically impossible to get through macros

[junior apex]

oh interesting!

[swift gulch]

But those ones are also Expert crafts, so doing it by hand and learning the system enough can still pull you through with a bit of luck

So you know how crafting has the Good and Excellent procs that show up sometimes?

[junior apex]

oh you need those huh. gives it a little rng

[swift gulch]

Expert is an extension of those

[junior apex]

i like gambling so i think that will be fun

[swift gulch]

Excellent is removed, since it would add too much RNG to the system of just "Get an Excellent and instant-win"
But then you have others that are like
+50% Progress for this step
-50% durability loss
-50% CP cost
Any buff you use extends by two extra steps
Your next step after this one is a guaranteed Good proc

All of this is RNG and you don't know what you'll get, which is why you have to hand-craft those ones to get max rank
There's no way to macro it, since you don't know what each step will have, but using the procs to your advantage can still pull you through

(Anyway, I need to head out of work and drive home, but I should be back around in about half an hour )

[junior apex]

that makes a lot of sense ty! lol it will take a few weeks of main quests to catch up to the plot so ill have a minute to figure out the system

[swift gulch]

Ye, no rush 😄

[junior apex]

have a safe drive!

i'll probably take a nap so if i dont catch u have a good day!!

[swift gulch]

Feel free to hit me up if you need any help with the gathering side
I'm not that great at crafting, but gathering has always been my jam, especially fishing

[junior apex]

i used to have a hookup for a mass gatherer but i dont think hes in business anymore XD so if i need tips for being faster ill hit you up!

[opaque raven]

Actually, quick question about leveling DoH/DoL
I've been running that place on the Firmament and selling the grade4 stuff for stamps, is this a good reasonable thing to do?

Feels very fast but maybe there is something else better

[hasty grail]

power leveling or profit leveling?

which one do you want

profit leveling is via firmament and selling things you get from it

power leveling is collectibles

there are gathering and crafting variants

less profitable

[carmine sierra]

Firmament is also pretty damn fast for leveling as well

[opaque raven]

Just level, profits are meaningless for me

[carmine sierra]

Though Cosmic Exploration I've heard is better for crafters, worse for gatherers

[opaque raven]

Trial caps at...300k iirc

[hasty grail]

whats the level range for it

[carmine sierra]

Ah, trial, so no Cosmic then

[hasty grail]

alright

[carmine sierra]

1-100, just need to complete Endwalker MSQ

[hasty grail]

ah

it was added after i stopped then

[carmine sierra]

Ye, was like two months ago

[hasty grail]

i completed all of 6.55 content then stopped before DT hit

[carmine sierra]

It's fun stuff, I recommend it if you like the crafting and gathering systems

[hasty grail]

eventually

[carmine sierra]

Good for leveling, you just have to get through EW first

[hasty grail]

anyways

[opaque raven]

Ok, i need to farm ||Rathalos||
I honestly thought that one or two kills would suffice but nope

[carmine sierra]

But yeah I'd say Firmament for leveling if that's not an option

[hasty grail]

there are collectibles you can find in various zones, might need gathering scrips for some of them to unlock being able to find them

[carmine sierra]

Most of the materials are in one place, experience rate is good, and its not too difficult in terms of stat requirements

[opaque raven]

What I've been doing is completing the log and moving to firmament until the next log opens
Same with all jobs

[devout wedge]

i saw some good ones ngl

[radiant escarp]

I haven't really been looking, I've just mostly seen them from another server and the occasional troll who wastes there time coming here

[devout wedge]

i saw 2 scrolling though instagram before bed

[opaque raven]

I honestly expected more

The drama thumbnails are so low effort...what a shame

[kindred sedge]

why they got Omniman as a duck in Back in the barnyard 😭

[devout wedge]

i think the movie got big enough to have a series?? idk

[kindred sedge]

ye, thats was the era of Nickelodeon Movie to series

Had Back in the Barnyard, Jimmy Neutron

im sure there are more but those are the two I know off the top of my head

[radiant escarp]

I can see where you're coming from but it doesn't really do it for me

[earnest cove]

https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/1945885040417632413?t=UQTrdqUBWgALBP2d58Z-Ew&s=19

Takanashi Kiara『TASTY』NEW SONG OUT NOW! (@takanashikiara)

I'm in Italy and found pineapple pizza on the menu lol

X · Jul 17, 2025, 4:35 PM

an illegal pizza

[wind hare]

Anyone else watching MidnightSumo? First time getting into it

[jolly sky]

Yea I was watching a bit of it earlier

[wind hare]

Im supprised the matches are so fast

[ivory schooner]

if it's so illegal, why is it on the menu?

[earnest cove]

illegally legal

[jolly sky]

Yea memes based on bad faith leave a bad taste in my mouth

[radiant escarp]

if you order it they give you a summery execution

[wind hare]

Oww Tennocon starts today

103k in the Twitch stream

[winged knoll]

Hello chat how it’s going

[hazy storm]

Its friiiidayyy

[hasty grail]

playing a modded run of stardew valley

game good, cannot wait for haunted chocolatier

[warm trench]

Still in the lower ranks, of course it's not quite midnight for Midnight Sumo

[brazen drift]

i want it so baaaaaad

[muted robin]

i would love to make funny satire memes about thor but the well has been so poisoned by low effort bait that i feel like even my best crafted jokes would just be seen as bait/hate fuel

tho tbh my urge to make YTP style edits of Certain Individuals to make fun of them rather than thor rises by the day

[winged knoll]

Make it a ligma joke

I can’t believe Thor is diagnosed with ligma

[ivory schooner]

Could be better, I made the mistake of watching one of those drama videos :/

[winged knoll]

Eck dee

Take this to refresh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216142638906998804/1231937582435274853/6P4G4_O1GI095KVU3C9.gif

[placid plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745002071551377508/1128136119138123786/cat_zooming_towards_camera.gif

[ivory schooner]

I feel like for the sake of my own sanity I should express my thoughts, it was very much a series of
“hmm…”
“Oh boy…”
“Alright I don’t think we should even know that part”
“Well shit this isn’t even in any sort of control at this point”
“The internet is forever, there’s no way this is goes away”
“I don’t want this man I’ve respected for so long becoming a lolcow but there’s nothing I can do about that”

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/zonkerdoodle-rain-world-zonkerdoodle-rotate-white-lizard-zonker-gif-26179145

[placid plover]

question for mods, can I post a picture of a deranged youtube title I found about Thor or will it get deleted? I dont wanna create a conversation about it, I just want to highlight it because its really deranged lol

[muted robin]

i don't think it's against the rules per se but a lot of people feel negatively about giving acknowledgement/attention to specific people/trolls

but i'm not a mod so

[brittle brook]

ya, just as a spectator, sharing those feels more like feeding/platforming the trolls, esp if the creators name is provided in any capacity. anything that could get anyone to search/watch their content and give them even a "viewed" metric increase feels way more than the hate-parade ever deserves

[placid plover]

yeah thats fair

I wont post it just incase

dont wanna get bonked by the mod hammer

[winged knoll]

[winged knoll]

Don’t think you will get banned but personally i think you shouldn’t interact with those things

[winter sierra]

rain world :O

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ccupidz-gif-15243083452780012220

[spark tide]

The only interaction should be "do not recommend this channel"

[hasty grail]

i think most of us are just tired of them

[placid plover]

yeah true. I dont interact with any drama vids. I just laugh at them and hit "not interested"

[hasty grail]

not even hate the channels doing it, although there are are a few in that area

its undeserved hate with a metric TON of conspiracy and over analyzing someone's life

[brittle brook]

I'm happy, the YT algo finally realized how uninterested I've been in the drama vids. I don't just "not interested" the videos, I make sure to "never show me this channel/creator again" each one i've seen in my feed.

[hasty grail]

there has NEVER been someone to get that much hate as far as i recall

[winged knoll]

To be fair

[jolly sky]

With the amount of hate he's getting you'd think that he'd killed someone

It's beyond obscene

[winged knoll]

People usually deactivate their social once they reach this amount of hate

Thor still stream every week

[hasty grail]

Thor stands in spite of everything

which is wild

[ivory schooner]

There have been many thrown into the jaws of hatred before him and he won’t be the last

[jolly sky]

cough Coding Jesus cough

[placid plover]

Also question, is it best if we move on with the convo? cause I dont wanna start anything, just wanted to ask a genuine question lol.

[jolly sky]

And it wasn't even anywhere near the same level

Oh yes please lets move on

[hasty grail]

i was going to post a segway to move on anyways

[spark tide]

Folded under zero pressure.

[winged knoll]

Let’s gooo

[hasty grail]

behold, a trashcan with enough firepower to take out things 3 times its size

[placid plover]

breaking news:
BREAD

[hasty grail]

only slightly damaged

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/pan-bread-break-apart-gif-16148799

For the mods

[placid plover]

yall ever play deadlock? its pretty fun

[brittle brook]

everytime I see anything Battletech or Mechwarrior related... there's a single phrase that must always follow....

[winged knoll]

I heard it’s ded

[brittle brook]

Remember The Unseen

[winged knoll]

[hasty grail]

also Remember Tukyiad

[placid plover]

really? last I played I got into a full pvp match

[jolly sky]

I played it a while ago, haven't gone back yet though

[hasty grail]

#getFoch'dClanners comming this fall to MW5 Mercs

[placid plover]

[jolly sky]

Sort of fell off it, there was a lot of change happening when I last gave Deadlock a go

[winged knoll]

Unsure, but not a lot of fps / moba people making content about it anymore

[placid plover]

makes sense

[winged knoll]

So i assume that the majority doesn’t like it

They have to compete with Marvel Rival + revamped Overwatch2

[placid plover]

review I found for 2077

[late bane]

Lol

[hasty grail]

sounds about right

anyways, i started nethacking... and the entire base is dead

[placid plover]

[brittle brook]

This is what a real Maruader 2C should look like: https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/e/e9/Marauder_IIC_RGilClan_v06.png/929px-t5f0bf24br3f1dpsi88z2o9wn6yxch6.png?20201222181007

[placid plover]

alright last one 🤣

[brittle brook]

and Harmony Gold should burn

[placid plover]

Neat! I wont assume so I'll just ask, is it from armored core by chance?

[hasty grail]

hear me out.....Urban mech with PPC-X that runs cool and runs at 110+ kph

that is my favorite build

[hasty grail]

MechWarrior/Battletech universe

[brittle brook]

nah, that's the original design of the Marauder 2C from Battletech before Harmony Gold went hate-parade and got a bunch of the design-licensing revoked forcing a change, hence Remember The Unseen

[hasty grail]

also the mechwarrior community is REALLY nostalgic for the older designs

[placid plover]

Ive head of battletech. I havent really gotten into it though

[hasty grail]

given how many of them got modded into MechWarrior 5 Mercs

[quartz sonnet]

I need to revisist MW5 and download more mods for it

[hasty grail]

tldr of Battletech: the year is 3000 and humanity has fallen onto yet another succession war to determine who the next true leader of humanity is

[brittle brook]

I still remember the before-before Battletech tabletop rules though, used to play a Merc Company who'd act has contract-harasser forces in a long standing campaign between a few friends of mine.

[hasty grail]

also staring Space AT&T, the Clanners, weird stories that feel extremely out of place with the Black Maruader

also weird bouts of religious fanaticism with Space AT&T

[brittle brook]

early in the campaign, I managed to secure a transport ship with 50+ unarmed/unarmored Mad Cat chassis, so I built up my pilots to be a suicicider-squad, no heat sinks, low-armor, fastest legs I could run, and a bunch of PPCs

[hasty grail]

nice

i played the MechAssault games for the og Xbox

then picked it up in recent years with MW5 Mercs

also TexTalks Battletech are REALLY good vids

[brittle brook]

they'd blind rush into reactor-crit range of the enemies, unload to intentional overheat shutdown, eject, then my long-ball squad of a Raven, properly armed MadCat and a pair of Mara-2C's would target their reactors and nuke the battlefield

[quartz sonnet]

My first introduction to the series was Mechwarrior 3. Think I still have the discs for it somewhere

[brittle brook]

but then when Catalyst took over the tabletop license, they "fixed" what was considered a "grossly abusable oversight", and that fun went away...

[hasty grail]

https://youtu.be/QffouI6OA00

[wind hare]

You guys missed a decent Tenno concert

[hasty grail]

its WF

i sleep

or i can go on a 3 hour rant on why i hate WF

[wind hare]

If anything the music in the recent updates is good

or do you hate the music as well?

[hasty grail]

sooo....

main gist is i disagree with how DE is handling WF as a whole

it has a solid layer of things that people can enjoy, but

just below that is a complete mess of systems that will fall apart

[wind hare]

Well its changed direction a bit since the leadership changed hands

1999 and on has been good

[hasty grail]

ive played since the event that introduced bursas

ive been keeping an eye on the game since i stopped playing due to railjack

[hasty grail]

how do you like RNG loadouts as a whole?

[wind hare]

Well if its been that long you should try 1999

[hasty grail]

ive seen it

i am not impressed

[wind hare]

I don't like the RNG that much in the older parts. The newer parts allow you to buy most of the gear

[hasty grail]

how many pity currencies are there in the game?

[wind hare]

a lot but thats part of them getting you to play the new content

[hasty grail]

trust me when i say this, there is a better chance of Ubisoft making the next ACTUALLY GOOD AAA game than there is of me playing any WF

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-friday-gif-11690415

[hasty grail]

i disagree with how DE handles WF as a whole

[wind hare]

ok

[warm trench]

With this round honestly, the SKG has a huge political ideology attached to it as well, and I think its a perfect storm. I also think most of the vitriol is from US citizens... But that might not be the case. It also seemed extra organized imho.

[brazen drift]

needed a "common villain to unite and organize against" because apparently AAA game companies arent a small enough target

[jolly sky]

There's also zero chance that a certain place on the internet isn't partaking in this either

[toxic rampart]

Unfortunate but....I Agree
I could launch into a million reasons.
But just know, I loved that damned game.

I'm glad others do still like it tho. For sure.

[hasty grail]

i went as far as removing WF from my steam account

[brazen drift]

but john everyman over there is just perfect enough that if we ruin his life to rally everyone we'll achieve short term victory

[hasty grail]

WF should be number 1

anyways

open question to people

popular game that people like but you dont?

[toxic rampart]

God of War 2018

[hasty grail]

why?

[toxic rampart]

For the game itself.
I take issue with the "Cinematic Sony Experience".
Not to say that I don't enjoy a good story and cinematics, but the gameplay suffers from the Sony Shoulder Camera™
It narrows the FOV in a combat game breaking the flow of combat and leaving me less aware of surroundings.

To compensate, this is why BOY screams at you about the location of enemies.

It's one of the biggest reasons the older game had a more pulled out camera.
As well as even modern DMC5.

There's also the "You've been thinking for more than a minute. Time for someone to give a hint" thing.
Yeesh

[vocal crystal]

Why quintheo live with leaked thor khronos dms?

[brazen drift]

no mans sky

[toxic rampart]

Oh and Spider-Man (all new) They avoid the issue by having a sane camera.

I adore those. tbh

[hasty grail]

i agree with you on that

[brazen drift]

It was sorta fun until I tried to build a cool harsh winter base built into the side of a mountain, logged off, logged back in, and my entire base was full of rocks again

(and thats a bug thats been there FOR YEARS)

[toxic rampart]

I actually adored it early on, mostly just for the weird uncanny nature of both it and the greater story.
But every time I go back, while I can appreciate the really hard work and labor of love put in, I just get bored after maybe an hour or so.

Something about it just falls flat for me now.

[torn panther]

From my perspective, Thor's refusal to back down, apologize, or conform to the ___ movement's demands (or the demands of his critics) could be interpreted as an expression of asserting his own perspective, his own understanding of game development and its challenges, and his own values, even in the face of immense public pressure and professional consequences. He is, in a sense, striving to overcome the external forces attempting to dictate his stance.

Thor's defiance as an attempt to create his own values rather than passively accepting that which might demand conformity, is a radical rejection of external conformity.
Thor is overcoming external pressure, some might also ask if he's truly improving his understanding or merely rigidly defending his existing position. A genuine act of self-overcoming might involve critically re-evaluating his initial arguments or communication style, not just doubling down. However, "self-overcoming" doesn't necessarily mean conforming; it means striving for one's own ideal, whatever that may be….

[toxic rampart]

And that's coming from someone that plays elite dangerous, went on the Distant Worlds 2 tour and also has an IRL Hutton Mug lmfao

[hasty grail]

its a single gameloop that doesnt evolve

[toxic rampart]

I can see that.
Despite the content it's still essentially the same game.

[brisk sparrow]

i mean it kinda does, but the new parts of it get stale fast

[toxic rampart]

Whereas Elite, despite being Space Trucking Sim for the most part outside of bounty hunting and combat etc. it is extremely emergent and tense.

[torn panther]

It’s a complex analysis but hopefully a framework that can drive human understanding

[hasty grail]

i call it spite

[keen python]

I agree, I find that Thor could avoid much of this by evaluating both what his initial arguments are and how he presents them alongside validating claims he makes to counter other arguments.

[brazen drift]

I dislike that stance.

I dislike the "he could avoid much of this" stance. It's very abuser coded. Thor shared an opinion and is now being harassed and targeted by people who barely gave 2 cents about it until it was cool to do it, and the only thing people try to say is "well he SHOULDNT have-" "well he could have AVOIDED THIS IF-" "well if he wasnt so STUBBORN-"

Always THORS Fault, never the fault of the people who continue to share videos.

Why can't it be "this could have been avoided if SOMEONE hadn't made a video?"

[soft vector]

I found it Takes forever to get going in the Game, and I don't really feel like investing enough time into the Game for it to "get better" when I don't really find it that interesting to start.

[brazen drift]

"[Youber] sholdn't have said this about Thor"

[hasty grail]

Ross should have never made the vid in the first place

but at this point we are going to get into the drama loop

[brazen drift]

yeah

[vocal crystal]

Ngl, feeling pretty glum

[brazen drift]

All thats done and dusted

Which is why its super aggravating that everyone just keeps saying that Thor should change or what he should or shouldn't have done, but they barely ever say that dramafarmerxxx69 SHOULDNT have made a video.

[hasty grail]

also Moist has gotten lazier with his content

[soft vector]

Don't know and don't care. I have that Account muted, I have no interest in anything he has to say anymore

[hasty grail]

which is another issue

[brazen drift]

Twitch automatically deletes vods over 60 days old.

Thor has more recently been auto-deleting them so theres less for drama farmers to harvest

[vocal crystal]

Clearly

[brazen drift]

I mean it wouldnt surprise me if some pervert out there expressly went out of their way to download or record a stream

since these people dont have any life, i guess

But they have some mental issues if they've been sitting on a Vod for 4 months

[carmine sierra]

Wait, what's this about DM's?

[soft vector]

Drama harvisting Thor is lucrative right now unfortunately

[wind hare]

Im lost, seems like new drama

[brazen drift]

honstly tho i wouldnt trust ANYTHING put out by a drama farmer

[wind hare]

I saw the dude with the AI, "I hate Thor" bullshit message and then something about dm's

[brazen drift]

They lost all credibility the second they started monetizing it.

Id trust a childs opinion over theirs

[hasty grail]

did you know that Thor's SKG vids are non-monetized?

[brazen drift]

and frankly you can barely trust that

[carmine sierra]

At this point, yeah

[soft vector]

I also don't really care what Thor and Khronos have dm'd they are Adults and that's their business

[vocal crystal]

Internet wizards pulling deleted vods, Captain leaking dms in his banana suit

[wind hare]

Do the DM's say anything or is it just them talking?

[vocal crystal]

It appears to have been coordinating hype train donos

Via an alt account

[brisk sparrow]

wuh?

[brazen drift]

[river cargo]

neither should've charlie

[brisk sparrow]

what kinda BS is that

[river cargo]

I don't really blame ross for making the vid

[hasty grail]

hes gotten lazier as shown with the "watched coffeezilla vids and is now an expert"

[river cargo]

but charlie for amplifying and slandering thor is responsible

[carmine sierra]

I blame Ross for making half of that vid into bitching about Thor and not just making his points separately

[river cargo]

that screenshot looks doctored

[brisk sparrow]

oh it 100% is

[brazen drift]

Why is it so blurry

[wind hare]

WAIT, wasn't that the hype train everyone know about and it was coordinated by the discord?1

[river cargo]

yes

[keen python]

Pointing out that someone is capable of taking steps to improve their arguments against criticsm isn't the same as stating it is their fault in the first place.

Apologies, my message didn't load until now?

[brisk sparrow]

"this is why the stream is unavailable to watch" no its because twitch auto-deletes vods after 60 days

[river cargo]

they could've doctored the vod too

[pulsar kestrel]

the first stage of grief is denial

[river cargo]

if they have a vod for it, it's probably doctored with AI

or they've photoshopped parts of it to frame thor

[hasty grail]

i wouldnt go that far yet with AI

[carmine sierra]

That's getting a bit tin-foil'y

[warm trench]

I won't go beyond that, thanks!

[brisk sparrow]

also we have moved into the "blatantly making shit up" territory of drama

[hasty grail]

theyve been there

[brisk sparrow]

also this is the only tweet on this account

lmao

[wind hare]

I mean it doesn't matter. that hype train was organized by everyone to try and break the record. he even talked about organizing it on steam. This is comppletely nothing

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, "We organized to have people save donos for this day" is a big so what

[river cargo]

And the mods were already contributing to the hypetrain

[muted robin]

hot take but like. maybe if thor has been asked about this and talked about this so many times and not changed his opinion, maybe it's not bc he refuses to listen and is stupid and misguided.... maybe it's because his stance is based on a set of principles/desires/beliefs and no one has actually addressed them to his satisfaction and that's why his opinion hasn't changed?????? just a thought

[waxen comet]

was that hype train for beating the hype train record

[muted robin]

like. KISS principle

[river cargo]

What's wrong with khronos donating to the hypetrain?

[brisk sparrow]

not the one this tweet is talking about

that was the year before

[keen python]

Not once did I say he refused to listen, is stupid or misguided.

[river cargo]

Is it wrong to donate to your own hypetrain?

[hasty grail]

last year???

[soft vector]

I don't think it ended up beating the record, but it was when they attempted to beat it

[river cargo]

I'm sure mrbeast and ishowspeed have donated to their own streams etc.

[wind hare]

Most big streamers do

[hasty grail]

wait

[muted robin]

yeah that's true i should've addressed what you said in stead of what people say in general, sorry

[soft vector]

I know I have seen streamers Gift subs to their own channel many times

[river cargo]

I doubt the validity of the picture or videos because there's no reason for khronos to use an alt to donate

[hasty grail]

this year the hypetrain record failed due to the current holder also having a twitch sub bonus via an active event

[river cargo]

So it's probably made up

[brisk sparrow]

also this line, we knew at the time that T3s were better because of other hype trains that had happened after our world record

[keen python]

That tends to be how a reply should go, but it isn't a worry! It ain't a big deal

[brisk sparrow]

not to mention the quality of that screenshot is terrible both in what you sent and what I found

[hasty grail]

quality of the text terrible relative to the rest of the screenshot?

[soft vector]

I don't know how this is supposed to be a gotcha

[hasty grail]

also im getting confused at this point

[river cargo]

I guess it's a gotcha at khronos because he "used an alt account"

[hasty grail]

back up, start from the top

[river cargo]

but I doubt it's true

[brazen drift]

Specifically saying "Thor could have avoided this if he had-" is not the same as "If he had worded it better MAYBE -". The former One is very Direct, and implies that any action he took specifically could have prevented the hate. The latter implies he could Maybe have done something to avoid whats happening, doesnt completely absolve him of misspeaking, but doesnt allued to putting ALL of the blame on his shoulders.

[hasty grail]

which hypetrain record is this referring to? this year or last year?

[river cargo]

this year

[brisk sparrow]

somehow both

[brazen drift]

Because there are VERY specific and narrow instances where someone should recieve his level of targetted harassment and none of them are over a petition

[brisk sparrow]

the screenshot is poor quality and the text is even worse

[brazen drift]

... well, not a video game petition anyway

[hasty grail]

still discussing, but this seems like a very stupid gotcha

[hasty grail]

alright

what is the image TRYING to show

[brisk sparrow]

its in the "just making shit up" territory now

[hasty grail]

mix of qualities sounds like cheap photoshop then

[waxen comet]

this one?

[brazen drift]

Also im pretty sure youtube EATS vods over 12 hours sometimes so if the april 1st vod isn't there its probably because it got eaten

[carmine sierra]

Yeah, at the absolute worst, it basically amounts to
"Thor and Khronos donated to their own hype train so they could help beat a record on Twitch"
Which like
Okay?

And most likely, it was them discussing organizing the event

[keen python]

Saying "If you had worded this better" and "You could have avoided this" are not the same thing, one does not mean the same thing as the other, yes. That's because I am not saying that Thor needs to word himself better, that wasn't the point of my message. Quite simply, there are things he could've done that would've removed some parts of the critcism and fuel for hate he is getting right now.

[soft vector]

You are allowed to donate to your own channel anyway...

[hasty grail]

i dont think it matters much anyways

[waxen comet]

i dont really get why this is a problem

[brisk sparrow]

ALSO: why would khronos have to donate on an alt account

[river cargo]

yeah

[brisk sparrow]

instead of his main

[earnest spire]

he does it anyway with the bit goal

[river cargo]

it doesn't make sense

[soft vector]

The usual, a nothing burger that they want to blow up into something

[hasty grail]

because the current HT -hype train holder used bonus subs from an event

as far as i recall

[river cargo]

I'm guessing they used the name serendipitousbean because that guy said he's an IRL friend of Khronos called Ben

so it's more drama for them to farm off

[soft vector]

I believe it was an Event where subs were being matched, or something along those lines

[hasty grail]

exactly

[river cargo]

There is absolutely nothing incriminating in this drama

[waxen comet]

so people just stirring more stuff then i suppose

[hasty grail]

sooo is it fair to say that this attempt is very much horse hokey?

[brisk sparrow]

this is the biggest nothing burger of the ones theyve made so far

[carmine sierra]

This beyond bottom-of-the-barrel

[warm trench]

Streamer purchase of subs do not count. Mods can give as much as they want as well as anyone else. WTF is wrong with people.

[keen python]

the tweet is apparently from July 5th

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/potter-mash-horse-hockey-gif-9953589

[ionic sleet]

so people are complaining about less than 5% of a hypetrain being paid by thor/khronos? People do know he is a boss so he is essentially giving money to his employees, Right?

[brisk sparrow]

and the account from this month

[carmine sierra]

Allegations about what, the hype train?

[river cargo]

Yeah the other allegations were actually serious, even if they weren't true

this isn't even serious

It's not an issue buying subs to increase your subcount etc. alot of people do it

[waxen comet]

i sense another troll or rage baiter

[carmine sierra]

What does he have to deny? There's nothing wrong here

[brisk sparrow]

it is

[waxen comet]

no role. fresh account. just joined

[muted robin]

"mr streamer community another accusation has come out by people who are making their careers off of destroying yours. please address the allegations this is legitimate criticism"

[hasty grail]

Big, based on what we have discussed, there is nothing for Thor to say because its very stupid drama

[supple cedar]

I was in here for nearly a year, left and just rejoined today

I must be a troll then

[ionic sleet]

Should we start giving Thor some Headache medicine? All this is starting to give me one.

[waxen comet]

im talking to the other dude

[brisk sparrow]

fresh account is even better

[hasty grail]

naw, you actually have roles

[brisk sparrow]

not you yeh

[pulsar kestrel]

if there isnt anything wrong with having your mods donate to your stream, why did the mod feel the need to make up a fictional IRL friend named "Ben", along with specifically telling Thor he has not mentioned the alt to any other mod

[carmine sierra]

Deny what?

[hasty grail]

this is a lot of nothing, some cheap photoshop

[barren python]

youre just jealous cause pirate is so much richer and more humble than you

[hasty grail]

Lose, do you want to put in a modticket or do you want me to?

[brazen drift]

The only thing that thor COULD HAVE done is not have had an adversarial opinion on a certain someone's petition. No matter how he had worded it, he was the largest face against it so he was put upon as the villain that the internet could rouse up and "defeat" because "they're Gamers™" and need something to RiSE UP AgAinSt. And everything SINCE THEN has just been complete nonsense.

[river cargo]

I think there's more thor can do to debunk the allegations but he has several tweets and videos already

[muted robin]

brother i started being active in this server like a week ago and in the timespan of me being active maybe a couple hours a day i've seen like a dozen people join just to troll and seen dozens more join the stream just to troll. at this point it's not "if you're new you're evil" it's just recognizing a pattern

[carmine sierra]

There's nothing wrong with that, why would it need to be denied?

He gifts subs to his own chat all the time

[earnest spire]

thats what the bit goal for

[hasty grail]

a lot of streamers gift self subs

also ONCE AGAIN, the current holder used a bonus sub event

[ionic sleet]

Problem is no matter what he says is not going to help. the witch hunt has been going on for a while.

[soft vector]

You can donate to yourself... Where is the Twitch ToS against it

[brisk sparrow]

i think they wouldve beat it without it tbh

the swarm is a powerful beast

[waxen comet]

there are rarely any people who want to verify or discuss or have a civil conversation in the internet nowadays

[ionic sleet]

how do you think streamers get twitch drops?

[brisk sparrow]

and they gone

thank u mods

[hasty grail]

thanks mods

[tight bramble]

BREAD FOR THE BREAD MODS!!!

[muted robin]

also ngl i feel like something people haven't brought up is that if thor debunked every single claim made against him he'd have no time for his own actual work/projects and i'm pretty sure that's what people want, to rip thor away from his work/happiness and keep him busy fighting a fight he can't win. and then they'll use him debunking the claims as a way to make more claims against him and accuse him of doubling down

[chrome swallow]

It's not that he was gifting himself subs, it's that he was trying to hide it behind an alt account that I find shady

[hasty grail]

bread for the bread mods

[ionic sleet]

there is some invisible force not allowing me to give the mods some bread.

[carmine sierra]

And even if he did debunk them, they'd either ignore the debunk entirely or nitpick it for more ammo and start the whole cycle all over again

[hasty grail]

assuming cheap photoshop of a screenshot