streamchat

[strange ember]

No, the things are said in public channels

[wet storm]

If you mean doxxing that's a felony

[fierce bison]

i don't think that's a good thing

[strange ember]

You lose like 99% of protections in most places when you say stuff "in public"

[fierce bison]

we don't live in the middle ages

[wet storm]

No, but people behave more out there than in here

And there's a reason for that

[strange ember]

No, but being insulated from consequences does have a tendency to encourage bad behavior. Just look at the Stanford Prison Experiment

[serene valley]

some of the things that's been said to me online I've never ever heard anyone say IRL to me

[wispy plover]

Sup nerds, how's the birthday celebration been?

[strange ember]

You are a wonderful human being

(Sorry I had to)

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[wet coral]

An Anon status makes people do weird shit.

[strange ember]

Many trolls

[fierce bison]

insulting someone and being punched in the face for it are on two separate scales

[wet storm]

Died of ligma

[wispy plover]

unsurprising

[wet storm]

This is so sad Alexa play Despacito

[wet coral]

Too bad Alexa is rarely sold here.

[fierce bison]

if the answer of someone who's unhappy with words that's been said to them is with violence, then they're not much better than an animal

[strange ember]

Well sure, but the general idea isn't: I call you mean, you punch me in the face
In person you innately consider the fact that I might make a scene, break down crying, attract attention, yell at you, you might not be able to escape, I might punch you, etc.
There are consequences, and you do consider them.

[fierce bison]

those consequences are invalid and people offering up those consequences belong in jail

[strange ember]

That is... a very absolutist kind of stance to take

[fierce bison]

it really isn't, it's the law

literally the law

you act violently you get put in jail

[strange ember]

No actually it isn't. There are justifiability defenses for battery

[fierce bison]

self defense

and that's it

[strange ember]

And also there ARE other conseqeunces than battery, you're just currently focusing on the physical violence

[fierce bison]

i mean you did offer up mike tyson as an example

[strange ember]

I didn't, that was someone else

[fierce bison]

well that's what i'm responding to

[strange ember]

Ah. Yeah, violence isn't the only answer, but ignoring that it's a real possibility in meatspace but not in cyberspace is being disingenuous. Just because something is illegal doesn't make it unethical or impossible. It merely gives you consequences if you take that action, and get prosecuted, and get convicted

But in general, isolation from consequences is a major factor to the marked lack of civility on the internet as compared to meatspace

and those consequences don't have to be violent or illegal

[fierce bison]

that's not what i'm saying, the fact that it's illegal makes the fact that it's a "possibility" not a justification for shutting someone down on the internet with "you wouldn't say that to my face"

like it's not a valid counter argument

to shut someone's free speech down

[wet storm]

It's not about shutting down free speech

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from knuckle sandwiches

[fierce bison]

well i think we filosophically differ here on a fundamental level, because if words on a screen hurt a person, that person probably needs to work on themselves

[wet storm]

You're not gonna be criminally prosecuted but still very punched

[wet coral]

Freedom of speech is not freedom of speech.. Say stupid shit and you will face the consequences.

[prime crest]

Classic americans. When someone has an opinion, their existence = infringement on my rights

[fierce bison]

what's with this macho attitude in this channel lol, "knuckle sandwich"

[wet storm]

(you can also be sued in civil court even with freedom of speech if it's libel or slander)

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[proud depot]

I would just like to point out the stanford prison experiment was recently outed as deeply flawed and has been debunked many times now

[wet storm]

My point is that with the consequence of public shaming and physical harm numbed and masked by internet anonymity bad actors have much wider berth for both criminal activity and to just be trolls.

That doesn't happen in real life 'cos punch and bombastic side eye

It's not about literally physically harming someone

[wet coral]

and vocal you are an idiot generally hits harder then just a line of text saying the same. Atleast in my friendgroup ususall

[jolly sky]

If I go outside and all everyone I see a twat, or a loser, I fully expect to get the consequences of it.

And something far more extensive that just being banned from a server, or service

[proud depot]

There is actually a carve-out in American free speech laws for "fighting words" meant to provoke a reaction

[strange ember]

Philosophically*
And I can say words that would hurt you. Thinking that words have no power is crazy.
I won't say them because I'm not a monster, but there are plenty of things that you and I both know will cause actual mental harm if they're said to other humans. Maybe not all of them, but definitely some of them.
As a very mild example. Let's say you have arachnaphobia and I just keep saying "spiders" and linking you images and videos of spiders, and other people do the same thing. Do you think that's not doing mental harm? Do you honestly think all those people would do that in person?

[wet storm]

Wait really?

Is that where the meme comes from?

Them's fightin' words

[strange ember]

Aye, there is

[wet storm]

LOL

[strange ember]

I think it was an idiom before it was used judicially, but yes

Also the classic example of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater

[prime crest]

No yeah shitty people definitely do horrible shit online because they get to be anonymous and it will have no consequence to them

[fierce bison]

i'm not sure that equivalence is valid, i can't put my finger on why that is quite yet

[prime crest]

Some GTNH gamer right here. Losing sanity yet?

[wet coral]

Therefor one should yell FORE and watch people dive for a golfball.

[wet storm]

Thine provocations uncaged the sovereign right to wrathful redress.

punch

[patent bear]

People do this even under pseudo anonymity, under false belief it's full.

[wet storm]

I got another one

Through thine barbs most impudent, violence is now ceremoniously enrobed.

Gotta do lawyer speech before you invoke the law of punch

[proud depot]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Portrait_de_l'artiste_sous_les_traits_d'un_moqueur_-_Musée_du_Louvre_Peintures_RF_2261.jpg

I love Joseph Ducreux's paintings

[wet storm]

Ah yes the famous 18th century painting "That's rad dude"

[gloomy forge]

disregard wenches aquire currency

[fierce bison]

I admire voluptuous posteriors, furthermore I am unable to fabricate misinformation

[proud depot]

"Self Portrait, Mocking" actually

[wet storm]

I like mine better

[proud depot]

*falsehoods

[fierce bison]

right, i knew i messed up that last word

[gloomy forge]

succulent derriers

[fierce bison]

i think it was "misinformation" though

[prime crest]

Exactly. They just have to think there is no consequence. Maybe they even unintentionally learn that saying anything is fine. When they try to do the same IRL they are surprised to find out otherwise

[patent bear]

This is when I call them out, and if they protest 'free speech', I rebuke that it's not without consequence.

[strange ember]

Nah. I'm in HV right now. I need to lower my warp though because I'm on the officials and GalactiCraft doesn't work well on servers. But I need stuff from Mars XD

[wet storm]

The chilled dairy confections I produce possess an allure that invariably summons the local male youth to my manor grounds.

And their quality indisputably surpasses your own.

I could impart this knowledge unto you, but compensation would be requisite.

[patent bear]

And they state their astute opinion that it is more delightful than others.

[serene valley]

All this for a milkshake recipe

[split tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-severus-snape-snape-alan-rickman-indeed-gif-4496555

[fierce bison]

A simple "no" would have sufficed 😦

[prime crest]

Establishing dominance

[wet storm]

18th century R&B is dope

This is fun

[split tulip]

lots of good YouTube videos of it, like bardcore

[wet storm]

BARDCORE

Genius

[proud depot]

I will always be loyal to you, and will never fail to meet your expectations. I will never abandon you, tears will never fall from your face, we will never part, and the truth will always fall from my lips.

[split tulip]

Also people who sing modern pop songs in ancient languages

[wet storm]

You did not just rick roll chat

I refuse to believe it

[proud depot]

[prime crest]

I barely touched it. I was like 40 hours in doing steam gens when friends stopped playing. I might consider solo but i (try to) have a life

[proud depot]

I originally used "shall" but with how many times it ended up being used was a bit much

[strange ember]

I'm focusing on the behavioral psychology, you're apparently focusing on the ethics and legality.
My stance is that perceived consequences (social, emotional, or physical) naturally moderate human behavior, and their absence online enables incivility.
Your stance appears to be that regardless of psychological factors, resorting to violence reflects moral failure, and mature adults should self-regulate without external threats.

On the arachnophobia example: You might be sensing the difference between targeted harassment (deliberately triggering a known phobia) versus general rudeness. You might be thinking that the general "bad words" lack of malicious specificity of the spider example, making them more ignorable. Alternatively, you may believe even targeted harassment should be met with legal/administrative consequences rather than physical ones.
My stance is that while that would be preferable, the possibility of those undesireable, illegal, or unethical conequences does in fact moderate behavior.

[wet storm]

When you started with "I'm focusing on the behavioral psychology" I thought you were gonna start another R&B or hip hop 18th century meme but then it got serious and I got all depressed

[fierce bison]

i did not foresee that wall of text either xD lemme read it

[frosty socket]

The rap from Linkin' Park's "In The End" immediately played through my head as I started reading your message

[fierce bison]

yeah i think you worded it well. I would agree that yeah, certain words can cause financial and psychological damage and those are covered by law already. I guess I will reword/elaborate that free offensive speech within the confines of the law has no right to be threatened by violence

[strange ember]

Personally? I'd play on the Officials. Lots of very helpful people that're fun to hang out with. Helps to motivate me at least

[strange ember]

Ah yeah, we agree there. The right to swing your fist ends before it hits my face.
What I've been saying, and what I THINK @wet storm meant with their original comment is that consequences in general, even the ones that shouldn't be allowed but could happen, tend to moderate behavior, and the lack of consequences neccesarily leads to increased incivility online.

Also there's not really a good way to add those consequences into online spaces without making people very vulnerable to some very nasty abuses of power by big organizations

[fierce bison]

yeah but that implies that incivility online is a bad thing

[strange ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_toKURCt10

[strange ember]

I mean you think people being jerks is a neutral or good thing?

Personally I'd much prefer existing in a space where people aren't buttwipes

[fierce bison]

a good thing. It is a representation of truth, of the way the person feels. As long as it does not hurt anyone, being a jerk and having an outlet to express it is a good thing, otherwise bigger problems arise with supressing such expressions in a society

[proud depot]

there is the sort of thinking that if you continue to antagonize someone who is clearly fuming then you kind of made your own bed. Where legally the other person is in the wrong, but have fun trying to convince anyone (such as a judge or jury) otherwise

[fierce bison]

there are many issues right now caused by supressed feelings, and they stand to escalate

people do resort to violence eventually if you supress their ability to just express their oppinions (which will be emotionally charged if it's a sensitive subject)

[proud depot]

You can actually breath through your nose while talking. Its called sounding nasally

[strange ember]

Ok, but you can express your opinion, even a negative one without being uncivil.
I think that dude is arrogant. Expressing an opinion. Reasonably civil.
F--- that dude, he's a g------ m---------ing piece of human trash Expressing an opinion. Uncivil. Does not deserve protection. Inflammatory. Should not be tolerated

[fierce bison]

i agree that ideally yes, but ultimately it depends on the state of mind of that person

[strange ember]

https://youtu.be/rzefyf-Fy6w

[fierce bison]

if they've been driven to desperation, yeah , harsher words will come out, it's just human nature. Ideally everyone would practice stoicism and have a thicker skin, but that's not a reasonable expectation

[strange ember]

Sure, but also in person you have consequences before it gets to that point. Consequences you lack online

Or at least you FEEL that you lack

[fierce bison]

those consequences would just supress feelings, that's not a good thing long term

we see this with school shootings

[river cargo]

Responses shouldn't have to worry about trolls from 4chan, reddit, twitter and those types of sites. Trolls will be trolls, let the mods deal with them, and educate all the remaining good faith people

[strange ember]

They shouldn't. I agree. But they will, and why add fuel to a fire we know is burning when we can avoid it?

[fierce bison]

because it's more important to steer fence sitters in the right direction

[strange ember]

No, it means they think about what they're saying.
They can still express themselves, but if they're doing it in a hateful way, they're contributing to a hostile environment. This causes more stress in general than the stress they incur by redirecting.
This also places the poor coping skills of the instigator in supremacy to the stress incurred by those exposed to their vitriol.

Additionally it presents a false dichotomy. There's at least a third option: They can not say these things and instead express themselves in a constructive manner, or relieve stress in a positive manner. Such as through exercise, or meditation.

[tranquil turret]

because constructive criticism cant be made with good faith, right

[fierce bison]

huh? xd

[strange ember]

If they're on the fence and they care, they can come here and ask questions like civil folks.
If they're on the fence and they don't care, they won't come in here anyway.
If they're on the fence and they care, and they come in here and act badly, they'll get banned.

Or we can spend a lot of time making a document that will be picked apart by the conspiracy nuts for flaws and things that it didn't address as "gotchas" and we can get even more things put on the banned words list and give more work to the mods... Personally I prefer the current situation and letting the drama die out as nothing more is being given to fuel it.

[fierce bison]

you are contradicting yourself, on one hand you say you don't want drama here, on the other hand you say you're happy to have long winded conversations in general to try and explain the truth to each and every person that comes in, instead of having the facts already laid out.

Not to mention you're assuming every time you're presenting your counterarguments to each person that comes here, you'll be able to word it in the same carefully worded, convincing manner, as if it was written in an FAQ. Which is as false of an assumption as it can get.

[prime crest]

It's hard to believe anyone is criticising in good faith in these scenarios because they are just bringing up irrelevant things. Everyone had infinite amount of possible improvements but normally you get constructive criticism only when it is relevant e.g. someone will write an actual game review because the review system is made to be used im that way, or someone tells you how you can eat better because you are in a gym, or someone tells you how to deal with neck pain when you complain about it. It's obvious that the "thing" that makes the "critiques" relevant for those people is their feelings about Thor and not really an attempt to help him with anything.

[worthy ivy]

welcome to my world

[fierce bison]

you're not wrong there, people are asking things for themselves, not to help Thor. They want to know if it's worth joining the community/staying. Selfish reasons. It is what it is, doesn't change the fact an FAQ will potentially sway a lot of them in the right direction

[strange ember]

I had too much choral/theater training

[strange ember]

Nope.
I'm saying I don't want to give the KF nuts more ammo. Because that trickles down to the rest of the people that believe their crazy conspiracy theories.
I (and many others) are perfectly happy to have a conversation about anything (within the rules) with people that are earnestly asking and staying civil.
I do not assume that I or anyone else will present the same arguments in the same way to everyone. I assume that people will address each point as it comes up in the way a standard conversation works.

Besides you can write it up if you care that much and present it to the mods or put it on the wiki or make a pastebin or whatever if you'd like. I'm not going to stop you.
But I do think it's not a good idea and I'm elaborating on why I think it's a bad idea so long as you'll keep engaging. Every time that statements have been made addressing the drama from the KF nuts? It's been used as fuel by the KF nuts

[proud depot]

side note about the stream, does anyone remember fighting foodons?

[strange ember]

I DO!

[fierce bison]

It's manual labour that goes against what supposedly everyone wants (not talk about the drama). If you want to reduce the drama in discord you automate the process of clarifying misinformation with an FAQ. That's literally the purpose of an FAQ, a concept as old as time.

[strange ember]

Fun satruday morning cartoon

[proud depot]

THE FOX BOX!!

growing up without cable in the late 90s/early 00's gang

[proud depot]

that was a weird show

[strange ember]

Did you know that the intro song is the Can Can?

https://youtu.be/6LrF-7ZzHhI

[proud depot]

it is now playing in my head

[strange ember]

https://youtu.be/4Diu2N8TGKA?t=6

[frosty socket]

Yes, but I counter with "Bobobo Bo Bo Bobo"

[strange ember]

now THAT was a weird show

holy <bleep>

[proud depot]

I retaliate with ultimate muscle, though more the character designs than the actual show

[frosty socket]

And just unlocked many memories for people with thatessage from me

[frosty socket]

It was JoJo before JoJo

[strange ember]

Quite

[proud depot]

https://assets.mubicdn.net/images/film/389173/image-w1504_overlaid.jpg?1745501797

[wet coral]

While a FAQ should work.. The amount of times i see FAQ's ignored in my line of work is astounding.

[frosty socket]

They get ignored in general, sadly

[strange ember]

They should be renamed to FIA
Frequently Ignored Answers

[proud depot]

I work in retail, a sign could slap the customer in the face and they still wouldn't notice it

[fierce bison]

that is absolutely true but it is an easy place for anyone to redirect to, rather than engaging in the same debunking effort 100 times a day

[frosty socket]

..true

[fierce bison]

it's called automation

[strange ember]

Probably 50% of my questions from customers involved me pointing up or to the left/right

as the sole answer

[wet coral]

ITs not automation if you have to point them as a community member ;P

[frosty socket]

But the "ignant" person would also most likely take the FAQ and twist it out of context

[fierce bison]

come on xD

[wet coral]

You are talking to a SysAdmin.. Automation is my game

[fierce bison]

you're talking to a programmer 😛

of like 16 years

[wet coral]

MY ETERNAL NEMESIS!

BEGONE

[fierce bison]

xD

[strange ember]

"How much is your fried chicken?" <point up at the only sign above the hot food case>
"Where can I find your dried peas?" <point behind them>
"Where are the bathrooms?" <point at the 'bathrooms this way' sign>

[frosty socket]

The pointing could became so automatic on the part of the person to the point that they may genuinely not remember pointing after a certain point

[fierce bison]

but at least you don't have to open your mouth, no??

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-15818320620194911396

Will we include a one of us chant the moment a newer guy points a new guy to the faq?

[fierce bison]

100%

[frosty socket]

Kinda like me with Dune, I was genuinely wanting to play something else yesterday, even said to myself "I'm gonna play [insert game name here] but forgot my plan, and autopiloted to launching Dune, lol

[frosty socket]

yes

[wet coral]

I agree with a Programmer... Forgive my IT gods for i have sinned.

j/k

[strange ember]

Yeah, that's not including the times where I have to point out a thing they're already reading... and isn't an arena where those signs will be uses in a megathread by conspiracy nuts as evidence of all the things that weren't addressed and thus obviously (stupidly) must mean that they're not important or they ARE important and being hidden, or that it's actually the lizard people

[patent bear]

Can only lead a horse to water, unless consumption is made policy.

[wet coral]

I read lizard people. the rest has become inrelavent to read

ITS THE LIZARD PEOPEL

[strange ember]

hehe

[fierce bison]

nah us programmers need to not piss off the IT people, it's like insulting the person that cooks for you, not the smartest idea

[wet coral]

Who are you and what have you done with the usual programmer

[strange ember]

Can confirm. Done IT. I've very much wanted to put itching powder in the underwear of some programmers

[frosty socket]

IT guys make sure the hardware continues working, while the Programmers make the software work... Social Aptitude isn't always a given, tho

[strange ember]

And don't get me started on trying to get github projects working... ugh... documentation is vitally important and yet utterly lacking on so many projects

[fierce bison]

pretty much yeah

[wet coral]

Just Itching powder?.. Clearly you havent had a real annoying programmer to deal with

[frosty socket]

shudders in memory of OldRim Mods

pre-Steam Workshop

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/ofmd-our-flag-means-death-fang-begone-begone-you-foul-thing-gif-26955219

[fierce bison]

sounds like story time

[strange ember]

Have you ever had itching powder in a mucusal membrane?

[wet coral]

Legally not allowed and i aint risking the biscuit.

[fierce bison]

i mean no names no details should be fine for a laugh

[wet storm]

Back in the olden days if you disliked someone in the office you'd wait for them to leave their desk with the pc not locked and flip the screen upside down

[strange ember]

Laughs in Jarmodding Minecraft

[wet storm]

There used to be a shortcut for it, ctrl alt down

[frosty socket]

Steam Workshop makes it tolerable... And relatively easy to tell if a mod is working, usually with comments such as "Mod no work in [insert version here]" as a most recent comment

[wet storm]

Now you can do it with screen settings

[frosty socket]

God, making me feel old

[fierce bison]

our office has a policy of always locking your PC if you leave it

[wet coral]

No. you send out an email in thier name to the entire office asking who wants lunch on thier cost. Besure to include the CEO/Director.

[wet storm]

Mine too but people make mistakes

[strange ember]

That one's fun

[wet storm]

And annoying people that make mistakes get their screen flipped upside down

[fierce bison]

xD

[wet storm]

That gets you fired

[wet coral]

Idont deal with Password resets anymore. but i was allowed to set passwords to Iamadumbidiotwhocannotremembermypassword.

And set it to User cannot change

[frosty socket]

Long, but... Easy to remember

[wet coral]

We had users who forgot.

weekly at best.. semi-daily at worst

And they were in seat i wouldent trust my life with

[frosty socket]

...literal seat?

[fierce bison]

it's a passphrase, the most secure form of password

[wet storm]

Your company either had really bad management or none of this is true

lmao

I call cap

Massive cap

[frosty socket]

Like, old ass chair that has a cylinder that could go pop any second?

[wet coral]

You choice to believe or not. I know what i have done in the past.

[frosty socket]

No, I've seen enough tech support shenanigans that I believe it

[strange ember]

Get some poison ivy on your genitive organs sometime and tell me how annoyed I was 🙂
I was in the woods and was unknowingly using a patch of poison ivy as a toilet.. and stumbled getting up... planted my sensitive parts right onto the patch.
It's a special kind of torture

[strange ember]

CORRECT HORSE BATTERY STAPLE!

[frosty socket]

Oh

[strange ember]

I love that XKCD

[wet coral]

I still aspire to hit Bastard Operator From Hell levels of shenanigans.

[frosty socket]

Dilbert?

[wet coral]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell

[strange ember]

https://xkcd.com/936/

xkcd: Password Strength

To anyone who understands information theory and security and is in an infuriating argument with someone who does not (possibly involving mixed case), I sincerely apologize.

[wet coral]

I

[frosty socket]

And now I have an urge to link a Jonathan Young video of him covering the OG Pokemon theme with the OG singer as a featured artist

[strange ember]

the PFY is my favorite. They get up to much more fun hijinks when they're with the BOFH

[fierce bison]

my story with IT is we used to have admin privileges on our computers, whole company, but IT took them away for everyone, including programmers, because some HR or who knows what other dumbasses in other departments can't control themselves not to click on phishing links. However, IT made it so anything digitally signed by microsoft can run under admin automatically (probably for automatic updates or idk). So whenever i need admin, i just make visual studio run elevated, and start up an elevated command prompt from there.
Excellent IT department, thank you

[hard smelt]

guess my twitch didn't get unbanned such fair usage

[strange ember]

Oh that's always fun

[wet storm]

Check out my brother's wifi password
||09AC13DF3B47EA8A1123AD03CB||

He claims there's a reason for it to exist this way

[fierce bison]

mine looks like that too, came like that from factory/internet provider, too lazy to change it

[wet storm]

I'm staying with him for a couple of weeks and it's ASS to connect my shit

[strange ember]

If that's how it actually has to be I think they're using WEP and that wifi is so insecure it's not funny

[wet storm]

With my phone I just copy pasted, messaged myself and connected

[wet coral]

That.. right there is one of my pet peeves with programmers. They know JUST enough to be a menace to policies XD

[fierce bison]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-idk-kristen-bell-ornery-gif-3552887

[wet coral]

Tho that means your IT doesnt have proper auditing in place.

Or they dont care in your case.

[harsh viper]

devs should have admin access

so it doesn't really matter if we get it through a workaround

can't do my job without it

[wet coral]

Depends what they dev. Most stuff can run without admin.

[fierce bison]

yeah most stuff can run without admin, it's true, i don't think programmers necessarily need admin

it's more a matter of respect lol

[wet coral]

And if they need admin they have a DMZ Virtual host to test on.

The personal PC with full network acces.

Hell no

[worthy ivy]

swap their keyboard with yours and then type shit when they're typing - hillarious

[wet storm]

If you're in the olden olden days you'd swap the PS/2 plugs for mouse and keyboard

[wet coral]

most devs want Admin cause they want to install cool new dev tool X without oversight.

[fierce bison]

exactly

[wet storm]

I want admin to install minecraft server

[wet coral]

And most companies just bow to that behavior.

[wet storm]

We are not the same

[wet coral]

Till a Dev causes a outag.

[strange ember]

InnocentLook.gif

[wet coral]

Local admin is not a case of IF it will happen.. Its When it will happen.

[fierce bison]

eh come on, is it really the devs or is it effin HR or some other department?

[lapis flame]

i think the point is that both are susceptible

[wet coral]

Cause my Devs are... 'potty trained' Its usuall HR or FInance.

[fierce bison]

knew it

those bastards

[harsh viper]

hehe

I've only ever bricked my own pc

and it was with a .net update no less

thank you microsoft

[wet coral]

Enough reason for me to take your admin rights away cause you make me waste time to reimage!

tho not anymore these days.. but back in the day.

[fierce bison]

honestly just give us ability to run under admin when we need to, it's not like we run everything under admin by default

[lapis flame]

alright, then keep up with validating software at the pace of new tools

[wet coral]

tho i get to come back on the FAQ issue... FOr our FAQ says if PC bricked. do these steps. And still people come i bricked my PC.. What do i do!?

[fierce bison]

send the link, no?

they can read it on their phone or whatever

[harsh viper]

I personally bricked it beyond all repair.. I had to get a clean image installed by IT

[wet coral]

Thats why our Devs have a Dev Virtual PC that they can do everything they want. and on reboot they are wiped back to standard image.

And they are disconnected for internet and network asides the bare necessities.

[fierce bison]

but my cool dev tools that need admin to install 😦

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-13480425249407915803

[fierce bison]

and this is why we can't be friends

[wet coral]

Frenemies then?

[fierce bison]

sure

[harsh viper]

I have a cool old tool

it's called barrier

and corpo policies don't like it

[wet coral]

Old tool.. Dont let Cybersecurity see it.

[lapis flame]

you know what this results in? Having to RDP into a server thats still able to run ClearCase.

[wet coral]

Those arses are on my ass on the daily.... XD

[harsh viper]

I think we have 1 security guy

if at all

[wet coral]

Count yourself lucky.

if you hate IT.. You will especially hate CS.

CyberSecurity in this case... not Customer Support.

[harsh viper]

I love my IT, they're not the ones coming up with the bullshit

that's higher up

[fierce bison]

the higher up is informed by it/cyber

[wet coral]

Not always....

Sometimes they are informed...

[harsh viper]

I can't even install a browser tho

[wet coral]

By the internet.

[harsh viper]

or change some settings inside the browser

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-comedy-ryan-reynolds-gross-sick-gif-3496531

[fierce bison]

:kekw:

[muted robin]

damn y'all did not lie youtube chat is toxic as hell

[wet coral]

Can we say Told you so now then?

[muted robin]

i didn't disbelieve you but jfc 😂

[harsh viper]

well

usually twitch is the special child

but I guess in this case

[wet coral]

Nah.. thats Kick.

Kick yells i am special

While still being Twitch with a skin.

[shrewd onyx]

Where have you acclimated this gif from?

[wet coral]

no clue.. i just used the GIF search for shiver.

[shrewd onyx]

I see

[wet coral]

but based on the file name

i would say itr

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0348333/

[shrewd onyx]

Indeed

[wet coral]

his post 2 girls and a pizza place era.

[strange ember]

No kidding. IT is mostly hardware and basic troubleshooting.
Cybersecurity are the people that normally know all the little tricks and REALLY don't want to let anyone use them

[fierce bison]

what does that tool do?

[strange ember]

I do love me some plugins

[harsh viper]

sharing peripherals between several machines

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-npc-man-hu-ha-nice-day-for-fishing-morning-mornin-gif-17883323

[fierce bison]

ah i had to buy a tool like that some years ago,

is it free?

[harsh viper]

I work remote, at home, I have x displays, some are connected to my pc, some to the corpo laptop, and I use one mouse and one keyboard

[fierce bison]

hehe same as me some years ago, i work on site now

[harsh viper]

it's a synergy fork

[fierce bison]

hehe i know synergy

[harsh viper]

I think it's free

like I didn't pay anything for it

[fierce bison]

yeah Synergy is the one i bought

[strange ember]

Hi there Stapel.
I caught a sub!

[harsh viper]

we used to have synergy at the first office I worked at, paid for by the company, we had dev pcs and email laptops

[hasty grail]

nice

i just got up

[strange ember]

figured

[fierce bison]

makes sense

[hasty grail]

very interesting game that Thor is playing

[muted robin]

for a second i misread the "go make games" part of the stream title as "go make enemies" which honestly. accurate

[harsh viper]

https://github.com/debauchee/barrier
not sure what's the current state here, last time I was having issues with it I had to downgrade, because the last release wasn't signed properly, so corpo sw flagged it

[muted robin]

don't ask me how i'm sleep deprived

[strange ember]

I shifted you one time zone west in my head and was like "that's early..." then I remembered that I'm a dumb and verified your TZ. Sensible time to wake up

[harsh viper]

did synergy rename itself to deskflow

[strange ember]

https://symless.com/synergy

No?

[fierce bison]

doesn't seem renamed

[harsh viper]

"Deskflow: The new name for 'Synergy Community Edition'"

kinda

because in github it says barrier is forked from deskflow, that's what got me confused

[strange ember]

interesting

[fierce bison]

so I contacted an old game dev with a lot of experience in the industry because he had an unlisted video on skg, asked him if he's ok with me reacting to his video/quoting it, the guy panicked and took the video down... this hate mob has made so many devs fear to speak up

[strange ember]

yep

It really doesn't help that the basic premise is a popular idea too

So if you're against it, people will assume that you're in favor of the way things work now

Which they don't like

[lapis flame]

the name isnt accurate

given all the caveats

[fierce bison]

it's the new easy moral grandstanding that's safe to adopt

[lapis flame]

communicating those is not easy

[fierce bison]

is why it's successful

[lapis flame]

"are you in favor of killing games?"

[wet storm]

Yes

Kill all games

Every one of them

[lapis flame]

thats the response when you point out all of the caveats and problems with the idea

[wet storm]

This includes sports and analog games

[lapis flame]

what? no more boardgames?

[wet storm]

https://tenor.com/view/sidious-gif-18100940

All games dead

[muted robin]

in true politician style the initiative was named to make anyone who disagreed with it look evil ♥️

[strange ember]

Yup

[wet coral]

Kill all the games. they are brain rot!.. they xause mass shootings! They cause GTA! they cause... I can keep going for reasons on why to kill games when i want to be unrealistic XD

[muted robin]

considering the guy who made it literally said 'if you don't have an alternate solution but you're against ours, you're in favor of killing games' in true anakin skywalker style i feel like it was deliberate lol

[fierce bison]

not to mention gamepads cause hair to grow in your palm

[wet storm]

Kill chess

Chess is misinformation

[keen python]

Which caveats?

[wet storm]

Horses don't jump in an L shape

and towers don't move

[keen python]

I’m still new to y’all’s perspective on it, is all.

[wet coral]

Dont forget Checkers then you dont get all powerfull if you get to the other side.

[strange ember]

I mean it is.
Unless you want to get much more complex with the name. Because "Stop engineering games with no ontological inertia" is way too much of a jargony mouthful

[muted robin]

extended discussion of SKG isn't allowed, we had a thunderdome chat for like a week to contain discussions then it was deleted to try and get people to move on (which didn't work as you can see)

but also there's no real "y'all" here bc some people agree with the initiative and some don't so

[fierce bison]

yeah we're not going to debate it here, plenty of vids on that

[wet coral]

STASKG.

[wet storm]

You arrived at a poor time. Chat is overly exhausted with SKG talk.

There was a channel for it, and it got deleted. People were spending hours a day chatting over SKG there.

The tl;dr of perspective is that there's people who agree with it, people who disagree with it, people that signed, all sorts

I signed it

[strange ember]

There are valid implementation issues and fears that the Video Game Industry Lobby will use this to make the situation worse

[wet coral]

TLDR Agree to disagree!

[wet storm]

Pretty much ^

[keen python]

That’s what I mean, the community as a whole.

I understand, my intention isn’t to debate but to hear opinions. I appreciate you all letting me know politely that it’s overtalked here though, I wouldn’t wanna beat a dead horse

[wet storm]

Based take

[strange ember]

I'm on the "I'm tired of not owning the stuff I pay for one time and then have arbitrary length access to" side

[worthy ivy]

it's the "safer streets and crime control" bill all over again 🙂

[wet storm]

Same

[wet coral]

SKG has gone to the same spot as religion for me. Great you have it but no need to rub it in my face.

[keen python]

I learned about everything with Thor the day I joined this server because I bumped into one of his streams and was confused by what he was talking about lol

[ocean agate]

i remember at one point the government was going to charge war crimes for things done in video games, i fear government policing video game content

[still quiver]

Jam time.

[strange ember]

Politics is a popularity contest
/shrug

[wet coral]

And short-term gains over long term benefits.

[still quiver]

Vote starting for anyone not in chat.

[worthy ivy]

IIRC if you put red cross symbols in your war game it's a war crime?

is why health pickups are green these days

Halo is a warcrime! 🙂

[strange ember]

gamejam!
https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware

[wet storm]

You recall incorrectly

[ocean agate]

iirc its a trademarked symbol or somethin

[wet storm]

And now you spread misinformation

[keen python]

The Red Cross isn’t a formal symbol recognized within the Geneva conventions

The Red Cross organization just requests that games don’t add it because it gives a weird “allowance” of its usage.

[hasty grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-omni-man-invincible-gif-22791440

[wet storm]

It's literally a copyright of the Red Cross foundation

You can use the red cross if the background isn't white

[keen python]

Basically, the organization doesn’t want it to be utilized because it’s a very real symbol that, if we grow too lax on, could be mistreated.

[wet storm]

Could be treated as affiliated to it

[strange ember]

Trademarks!

[wet storm]

So you put a health pickup on say GTA

[clear zephyr]

Using the Red Cross symbol is a warcrime lol

[wet storm]

Someone could conjecture the Red Cross is affiliated with running people over with cars

[keen python]

That’s in terms of the trademark, yes.

But they have a statement politely asking for games to not use it based on its association with medical aid in warfare

[wet storm]

Don't confuse using the red cross in a videogame to wearing the red cross to be a fake medic

[fierce bison]

it's protected by more than just copyright, it's protected by the geneva convention, misuing it is a war crime

[wet storm]

Jesus christ

READ

If you wear the red cross during battle or on a vehicle or on a building and those are not medical personel or facilities you're breaching article 37 of the Geneva Convention

If you put it in a videogame it's a legal violation of using a protected symbol

[keen python]

It’s not a war crime, but it does break international law

[worthy ivy]

Geneva Convention holds that the red cross and red crescent are protected symbols and the misuse of this symbol (in contexts outside of its intended purpose) can be considered a violation of international humanitarian law.

So you are technically correct that it's not a warcrime...
...which is the best correct.

it's warcrime-adjacent at least 🙂

[keen python]

“Whoever ... other than the American National Red Cross and its duly authorized employees and agents and the sanitary and hospital authorities of the armed forces of the United States, uses the emblem of the Greek red cross on a white ground ... -“

“Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”

This is the American standard, laid out in 18 U.S. Code § 706 - Red Cross

[wet storm]

It has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention. One is copyright violation (it's not even a criminal offense), the other is a war crime

Idk why this got me so ass mad

[worthy ivy]

today I used warcrime-adjacent in general conversation...
today was a good day 😆

[keen python]

https://www.redcross.org/content/dam/redcross/atg/PDF_s/International_Services/International_Humanitarian_Law/IHL_SummaryGenevaConv.pdf?srsltid=AfmBOoqOKcHJ78psFZj6Q5mOndLsIHD4Ik84UsAOmwhPH3dtgMyuoli6

[wet storm]

But I can feel cortisol spiking

[keen python]

This has some stuff regarding the symbol’s usage

But mainly, the symbol itself is humanitarian.

[strange ember]

Breath in, feel the calm flow.
Breathe out, let the stress go.

[lunar moth]

Eh, it isn't that strange - somethings are triggering to people because of entirely reasonable things, and it is usually grounded in a person's background
For me, folks acting in an intellectually dishonest fashion usually does it for me (which is why I tend to block a lot of people who engage in trolling on places like forums)

Some of it is stuff that one can learn to not be as affected by, and other parts of it is just that's important to a person's background and interests
So... this could be one of those things, simple as that

[fierce bison]

and another one bites the dust

[wet storm]

Oh shit

Join date May 2024

[fierce bison]

rip

[wet storm]

What a way to go out

[fierce bison]

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[wet storm]

Pre-Dire Maul member jumping the ship

[keen python]

Jumping ship?

[wet storm]

There's been a lot of trolls throwing pot shots and getting banned

[hasty grail]

the simple act of actually jumping off the ship

in this case the ship is the discord

[wet storm]

Btw the actual war crime isn't "misusing or wearing the red cross", it's perfidy, the act of pretending you're a protected member or non-combatant.

I got it out of my system. Back to my workout

[lunar moth]

Directly pinging Thor from something he said 14 hours ago to stir things up to be a troll

[keen python]

I noticed earlier, but that’s someone calling out what they view as a valid criticism.

You even mentioned, they’ve been here over a year.

Do they seem like a troll?

[strange ember]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-17500258755908763204

[worthy ivy]

yes

[keen python]

I guess my views just differ on it

[wet storm]

I don't think they were always a troll.

Maybe they're not even a troll now

Just very angry

in an unproductive way

[keen python]

I’d say that most people are unproductive when they vocalize themselves in anger, y’know?

It’s how people function.

[lunar moth]

No, but everyone here is tired of folks trolling in regards to SKG - furthermore, what they said is not the case, and just done for the sake of trolling.
Them being here for a year+ doesn't really change that. They could be trolling, they could be angry, they could have decided this for any number of reasons - most of which are fundamentally really just... dumb.

[strange ember]

Yup. Which is why they got bonked.
It's not helpful to have people slinging mud in the community

[gentle mortar]

Having an opinion about it, even if let's say hypothetically he read it wrong, doesn't mean he misled people, missleading is a form of person intentionally lying from the start. What a weird behaviour.

[wet storm]

There's no reason to hurl insults

Their action is unproductive, that's it

[keen python]

While I can understand that, people still have their opinions regarding the validity of claims like that.

[lunar moth]

Nothing of what I said was an insult though?

[keen python]

I agree, I think I’m just confused on what is an insult in that.

Is stating someone was misleading an insult?

[wet storm]

Oh I thought you called them dumb

[strange ember]

No, the person that got banned did

[wet storm]

I am dumb, that's me

It's copyrighted

Like the red cross

[strange ember]

Well not "insults" really

[wet storm]

If you say you're dumb in war it's a war crime

Ok I'm done being ass mad

[strange ember]

more "deliberately throwing shade"

[lunar moth]

Pft! Nah', I don't think people are dumb - but sometimes people do say dumb things; in fact, I'm a master of it! xD

[keen python]

An accusation of them misleading people?

I’m unsure if that’s an insult, it’s more like an angrily worded accusation.

[strange ember]

oop, wrong convo

[keen python]

Gah, sorry on the pings for my replies y’all. I always forget to remove those

[strange ember]

Yeah, that's why I corrected myself

[strange ember]

I don't mind personally

Also you can hold shift to disable that on PC

[keen python]

I also wanted to ask, do you think it’s unproductive in how it’s done or unproductive by the very nature of it?

[strange ember]

In this case, how it was done

[keen python]

So someone voicing their criticism in a polite, logical way is allowed? Rather than somewhat sarcastically?

[worthy ivy]

there are certain words and phrases that telegraph bad-faith. around the SKG shit one of them is "misinformation"

if people seriously consider an opinion to be "misinformation" they don't understand what the words "misinformation" or "opinion" actually mean...

...and given - I assume - that most people do know... their use of "misinformation" as an angle of criticism immediately flags to me that they are likely a hostile actor

[strange ember]

It was basically calling Thor a hypocrite and doing so in a very passive aggressive way

[lunar moth]

By the way, important thing: the vote is now starting for the theme!

[fierce bison]

each snowflake does not know it is causing an avalanche. Doesn't change the fact it will eventually cause an avalanche. if everyone with a "concern" pinged Thor constantly, that would cause a lot of disstress for him. Yes, streamers are human, huge revelation i know. This is why the mods are here

[gloomy forge]

I never understood the outrage of Thor misinterpreting SKG, like theres so many questions that all lead me to find minute details that make me simply consider that Ross and Thor misunderstood each other. But I stopped caring. You either support parts of SKG, the whole thing or not at all. Its up to the person. No need to be madge about it.

[smoky canyon]

Is it not misinformation to state that the initiative aims to turn multiplayer games into single player games?

[keen python]

I’m not stating the guy isn’t human, to clarify lol

[muted robin]

can someone link the poll please

[lunar moth]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware?&ab_channel=PirateSoftware

[fierce bison]

it's the pinging that was a bit much, if they just came here to have a conversation we'd probably just point them to information

[lunar moth]

It is over on the Twitch-channel

[gloomy forge]

Oh loops is winning.

[lunar moth]

Currently this is what it is looking like

[muted robin]

damn :( need to be on twitch to vote

i'm YT only

[wet storm]

I just say misunderstanding instead

[worthy ivy]

supposed to be no SKG and mods might be mad at me but...

that is the logical endpoint of SKG? it's vague enough that it could be interpreted that way?

not "misinformation"... "opinion"

[gloomy forge]

come join twitch, its super fun.

Lots of chatters and silly stuff.

[muted robin]

nah i'm good /silly

[keen python]

If an opinion is grown from false statements and misinformation, that opinion is misinformed, no?

It isn’t, itself, misinformation. But that person is misinformed, -as is the opinion they grew based on it, it’s something I have to deal with in my work all the time.

[wet storm]

It's not malicious and isn't even a misinformation, it's just conjecturing an outcome that isn't true or planned for

Anyone can conjecture outcomes

[worthy ivy]

this

[muted robin]

y'all stop talking about SKG the game jam voting is going on and i'd rather chat be on topic for that

[wet storm]

SKG will actually make all games live service from a unification of frameworks through a single engine to help preserve games

Look at this fairy tale I just made

[keen python]

Video game hive mind

[muted robin]

this ain't a glue factory you can stop beating dead horses

[wet storm]

I also just did feet elevated glute bridges and I can't get up

[fierce bison]

pinging him is malicious, if the person wanted to have a good faith conversation they'd just come here and talk, and we'd tell them we're tired of the subject and point them to videos/info debunking the drama

[wet storm]

https://tenor.com/view/life-alert-mayday-help-send-help-fall-gif-604053499530548175

[muted robin]

if those are what i think they are, good job

[smoky canyon]

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just asking is all.

I don't see how that is the logical endpoint unless that's what you want it to be.

[keen python]

So directing it specifically at Thor is malicious in that, alongside their more rude approach. I see.

[wet storm]

It's when you lie on the ground, put your feet on the bed and do inapropriate things to the air

[muted robin]

oh, not what i thought they were, but i do those for physical therapy stretches

[wet storm]

And thank you!

This is the full extension of the exercise. You start with your hips on the ground

I gotta figure out how to add weight to it

[viral garnet]

Loops won Round 1

[wet storm]

Accept suggestions 👍

[ocean agate]

i feel like this would kill me with my hernia

[hazy storm]

I was going to ask how things were going but i see skg has reared its ugly head again

[gloomy forge]

L
oops

[keen python]

Place a barbell between your thighs/knees

[wet storm]

Ok fine

[keen python]

Or chain a plate

[smoky canyon]

Barbell across the hips - start with just the 45lb bar

[worthy ivy]

must stop or mods really will get mad, but I get what you say

is just the pessimist in me thinks it could go further and deeper than the initial proposal intends - and I think that is the crux of the "misinformation" thing?

some people are optimists I guess?

seen too much of the world to be there myself 🙂

[wet storm]

@keen python @smoky canyon good thinking, thanks!

[gloomy forge]

I feel its fine to talk about things just don't get angry, and also listen to the mods.

[keen python]

I dunno, misinformation gets thrown around a lot because people grow attached to what they see as facts of a case and assume disagreement with them must be misinformation.

[strange ember]

Nah. That's not how it was presented at all. Which is the problem. Things like "this movement is about single player games with online functionality" aren't ambiguous. They're just wrong

[fierce bison]

facepalm

[gloomy forge]

Yeah its frustrating but its alright, people should always realize that asking questions doesn't cost anything. Being afraid of talking ultimately just makes everything worse.

If in doubt, write someone in DM and ask them the question.

[keen python]

An ironic application of it, yeah

[waxen comet]

are we about to start something again

[fierce bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1dh49O6LNM

[jolly sky]

Yes, making a local conclusion based on the very words of the movement is "Misinformation"

I'm learning new things today

[wet storm]

How to vote?

[gloomy forge]

You go to twitch and vote.

[muted robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/235864439579082752/1392325153718796299/image3.gif

[wet storm]

I am on twitch

[ocean agate]

game jam theme is voted on twitch top of chat

[lunar moth]

You need a twitch account, and as long as you are logged in - you click on one of the ones you wanna vote for

[wet storm]

I AM BLIND

Thank you

[lunar moth]

"ShrimpYarr!"

xD

[wet storm]

Yay the one I voted for won

[keen python]

Well, if those conclusions were incorrect you could interpret that as misinformation. Particularly when they’re presented as factual, rather than potential outcomes.

That’s the thing. Coming to a conclusion isn’t misinformation, presenting it as factual kinda is.

That’s hypothetical, of course. I see this a lot with my fields of study relating to historical revision.

[wet storm]

My genius is truly frightening

[fierce bison]

?

[gloomy forge]

ohhh, sorry. I assumed people already voted before or at least seen it somewhere peepo learning new things.

[smoky canyon]

I get this thinking as well - but do keep in mind that the entire point of an initiative is to get it to the floor for discussion. While I don't think the initiative is near as vague as it is being made out to be, ironing out the specifics is the whole point of bringing it to a legislative body.

[wet storm]

Man why are you so hostile all the time

[sharp sundial]

Well, now we know what Mujin's intent was for making his hit piece.

[wet storm]

Vibe with us ❤️

[ocean agate]

loops

[wet storm]

CHAT

[wet storm]

KEEP IT BALANCED CHAT

[lunar moth]

First of all, Game Jam!
Secondly, that's not how initiatives work - I wish folks would stop pretending that is how those things work.
Thirdly, vote for Loops!

[gloomy forge]

IMHO the real tragedy in that PirateSoftware channel doesn't have the DANKIES emote.

[ocean agate]

no 50/50

loops

[gloomy forge]

because some of the songs are peak DANKIES material.

[gloomy pecan]

We did it! for a second

[keen python]

How is this statement of intent? It seems like someone thanking their viewers for supporting them and using trending as a basis to point to.

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ugryy-gif-22147341

damn its a close one.

[still quiver]

Only One Loop!

[keen python]

Initiatives allow for the calling of lawmakers to discuss and create new laws, I thought?

(Sorry on the ping!)

[wet storm]

I voted for Only One to be a balanced goblin and now I want Loops to win

[fierce bison]

it's clear you're just repeating talking points you heard on the internet.

[ocean agate]

thats why you dont 50/50

[opaque raven]

Oh loops! Cool
my very own Majora's Mask

[ocean agate]

i want loops

[gloomy forge]

I remember shopping for games and when I had to pick between two games I picked the one that felt the best but then was like "damn why didn't i pick the other" as if would've been a problem

[knotty pumice]

I snagged a pick of the vote perfectly tied!

[muted robin]

if you seriously came here just to talk about drama you can look forward to being banned very soon lol

[hoary shale]

So close

[soft vector]

Of course it was.

[wet storm]

As all things should be

[jolly sky]

Love to see this magic proof of him "obviously cheating"

[wet coral]

Mujin is constant drama vids sooo.. Yea

[hoary shale]

Got a ss

[gloomy pecan]

We can do it!

[hoary shale]

Only One is best choice

[keen python]

I saw a video on that one lol

[jolly sky]

Desperately programmed to loop

[gloomy forge]

Loopers in shambles

[still quiver]

An hour

and 10 minute video

[opaque raven]

Low effort thumbnail
Meh

[jolly sky]

Seen that, none of that is proof. It's conjecture and theory crafting at best.

[still quiver]

Brother lmao

[opaque zealot]

"Not Albino" Ah yes an unbiased opinion

[ocean agate]

conspiracies

[muted robin]

where's the submit mod ticket option

[wet coral]

5 months old \o/ Congrats on dragging old shit back to the light

[keen python]

Videos can present information but, ultimately, it’s a puzzle game.

It doesn’t really matter given it’s literally a puzzle game. Who cares if he lied about it in the first place?

[wet storm]

It's darn hard to find lol

[opaque raven]

Is it too much to ask for devil horns, fire and maybe some red eyes?? Cmon...

[serene valley]

is this about animal well again

[wet coral]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-sully-mike-wazowski-heres-the-pitch-and-he-is-out-of-here-hes-outta-here-gif-25317808

[still quiver]

Yeah troll just in here to spew stuff, move along I guess

Only One!

[wet storm]

Yeeted and deleted

[wet coral]

If you are Only one.

I SHALL BE LOOPS!

[keen python]

My understanding is people found his explanation of hearing his printer going to be strange and that alongside other stuff led to them thinking he was lying

But like

It’s a printer

[wet coral]

old drama is old.

[keen python]

Indeed

Again, it’s irrelevant even if it’s true

[jolly sky]

He's a follower of Pastafarianism

[gloomy forge]

Yeah not only that, I feel when people want to discuss something they should be allowed to do that, but at least explain what the problem is

[keen python]

Well, yeah

[jolly sky]

All hail the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster

[ocean agate]

i will laugh if its actually 50/50 and he has to do a recount

[opaque raven]

You know the drama quality is low when it's been going on for 3 weeks and we only had a few good thumbnails

Maybe 2 at most that I've seen

[lunar moth]

No worries about the ping, but no - that's not entirely correct.
First of all, ECIs cannot create or even realistically advocate for new laws - some laws are brought to the EU by its members because of the implications of some ECIs, but ECIs themselves have no actual connection with the making of laws. Secondly, ECIs are essentially just "address our grievances" similar to how it is stereotyped in games and movies where peasant talks with kings. The actual collection of the signatures is most of the "talks" that occurs, because once the EU addresses it they basically say "We can look into talking about a policy that mentions this."

There's more to it, but it isn't this thing that people think it is. The "talk with EU" is basically just "please tell us about the initiative again and now we can respond to what you are saying."

I'm not saying anything more because that is getting way too much into it.

[ocean agate]

2 geese and a gander

[opaque raven]

No recount
New theme is "Only One Loop"

[ocean agate]

loops

NOOO

[still quiver]

That's hilarious

[lunar moth]

A SINGLE vote, one and only one! xD

[muted robin]

only one won by only one

[wet coral]

It takes Only One Vote.

[gentle mortar]

YEEEEEES

[lunar moth]

Rigged! He voted for it!

[ocean agate]

RIGGED

[lunar moth]

xD

[gritty tartan]

Last perfect 50/50

[hasty grail]

i love you all goblins

[worthy ivy]

this is going in the bank

[hoary shale]

Rekt

[gloomy forge]

alrighty guys, gonna wrap up my dev machine

dev machine go brrrrrr

[wet coral]

WRap up? In Foil? In cardboard?

[opaque raven]

Ok...I was fine with both, what I want to do fits both themes 🔥

[gritty tartan]

alloy of foil and cardboard

[gloomy forge]

I mean starting it like an engine

[lunar moth]

Hm... "Only one loop"?`Something like that? xD

[jolly sky]

Some things in this world I think are pre-destined, and Only One winning by One Vote is one of those moments

[wet coral]

Lies. you wanted to do multiple loops and now you are forced to do just one

[gloomy forge]

but yeah, SKG talk and all. the more I looked into it, the weirder I felt that people had a strong reaction. I feel in an alternative universe without people being so madge Thor and Ross would've been able to talk and become friends.

[opaque raven]

I can explain my design but it's not polished yet

[gritty tartan]

Who told you can't do it? Main theme is Only One.

[wet storm]

Who won I was away

NOOOOO

[wet storm]

I voted for it what have I done

[lunar moth]

I'm probably just going to write a simple GDD for this Game Jam, I has other stuff I need to do - but hey, I still have my stuff from Darkness + Alchemy and I'm very happy with that idea I had from it, and one day it'd be cool to turn it into a game! ^^

[muted robin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-highlander-kurgan-chop-goodbye-gif-10680493

[gloomy forge]

AHHHH GDD = Game Developer Document.

[lunar moth]

Since people are definitely going to ask what it means! xD

[keen python]

Ah, it’s a petition to call directly to initiate a legislative act, -and that demand is the exact same thing the Parliament and Council do. It’s considered equal in demand. ECIs also still are quite vocal with the commission when making that law:

It gives them the ability to directly push the commission to enforce its right of initiative for their request.

Also, just to keep kind, i’m not meaning to debate, just clarify my understanding.

[opaque raven]

Only One doesn't mean Only One loop
I'm mixing both themes

[wet storm]

I could be

[still quiver]

Only one fruit loop

[lunar moth]

I know, but I was being silly mr/mrs/lord/lady/Goblin-in-a-mask Kobold!

[opaque raven]

I just need to sit down with Figma and write a couple of things

[strange ember]

How many times a year does Thor usually do these?

[soft vector]

Only one loop, time for recursion

[harsh viper]

exactly my thoughts

[wet storm]

Can you save cookies in the browser through user submitted itch games?

Only One Chance

[azure glen]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/UgliestDirtyJuiceTakeNRG-0vc9WkeOr0RkbD5T

[wet storm]

If you mess up that's it

[strange ember]

Do NOT mess up

[gloomy forge]

someone is gonna make a "yolo" game

[wet storm]

Actually rigged

[harsh viper]

instructions unclear dick stack overflow

[strange ember]

Instructions unclear segdicktation fault?

[lunar moth]

I get that, but I don't want to get into it as I have talked extensively about it in the past (some of it is still available if you search for stuff I have said).
Point is that basically everything about the EU doesn't work the way people think it does because it is massively complicated and most people aren't interested in politics enough to correct their very extreme misunderstandings of how all of it works. This is honestly why I'm just not interested in talking about it because... to talk about it, most folks need to want to talk about stuff folks don't want to talk about.

So... my advice: just leave it be, at this point trying to get reliable information about most of this requires an actual university-level education in how the EU and politics (as well as political science) works.

Either way, let's put that aside and let's focus on the Game Jam!!! ^^

[strange ember]

Though you'd probably get a stack overflow or a memory overflow... can you even segfault a browser game without doing ACE/exploit stuff?

[strange ember]

If everyone wasn't tired of talking about it, I'd be interested.
I'm a systems nerd. How Things DO? Always fascinating for me

[harsh viper]

let's seee

[lunar moth]

I mean, that sounds like it'd be fun - and it'd work well for a Game Jam!
"Solve this puzzle room in one life and start over when you die!"

[strange ember]

I mean a yolo game would be more "you only have one shot"

you fail, game over... forever

[lunar moth]

I mean... true, but... then I'd just load up the game again! xD

[keen python]

I used to live in the EU, lol.

Went to Uni in Ireland, I actually saw coverage of the ECI regarding caged farming and how it took longer than expected

The modern coverage and explanation by the state isn’t really that difficult, just for those interested:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/149/european-citizens-initiative

just gotta know the differing functions and branches of the EU.

[worthy ivy]

when you fail it borks your install so you have to download and install it again? or would the storefront refuse to let you redownload once you'd lost once?

[strange ember]

You'd probably have to clear cookies or something to do it, but yeah

[worthy ivy]

locked to one attempt per machine id?

have to buy a second computer to play again 😆

[strange ember]

it's run in the browser tho

those're usually pretty sandboxed now

[worthy ivy]

I was thinking just in general, not just the jam 🙂

[harsh viper]

browsers commonly segfault on unix, so technically, theoretically possible, if you'd be able to piggyback onto one of the issues

[worthy ivy]

pay now, play once 🙂

[strange ember]

oh yeah. You could get the IDs of multiple components and do the same thing Windows does where enough similarity and it won't run

[opaque raven]

I'm going to write something like this:
||you are inside an already explored dungeon
All heroes and bosses are already dead inside
A very weak Kobold and a Goblin were hiding during the whole conflict and now they go out, they are both looking for easy loot

There is only one enemy left in the whole dungeon, it's your opponent

Your job is to collect items and solve puzzles faster thn your enemy and the more you collect the stronger you get for the final showdown

Very short runs as well and very quick deaths

Boulders, tripwires, lava, and this is an already explored dungeon so ofc you can find empty chests but also very loot heavy dead heroes (but they died inside a trap ofc, whatever killed thn could easily kill you too)||

Only One enemy left in the entire dungeon (theme)
You reset from the start when you die, no saves, so your knowledge of traps from previous loops is all you have

It's like speedrun training ☀️

I will soon delete this message but ye, that's my initial idea

[wet storm]

Is it just me or did Thor remove the ban counter?

[strange ember]

cool

[idle hill]

There's no ban counter I've noticed

[lunar moth]

Oooooh! That's really cool!
Not sure why you'd remove it, but it sounds really damn neat!

I'm still trying to think about what "Only one" mean to me and what I'd do with it

[wet storm]

If it's gone holy based

[soft vector]

Wasn't there a survival shooter that you only got one life, and once you died that was it, you couldn't play again?

[wet storm]

Nature is healing

Thor's dad is the coolest dude

[magic jetty]

Is his first name Thor or Jordan

[wet storm]

It's Jason

[magic jetty]

Oh

Why everyone call him Thor

[wet storm]

It's his middle name

[strange ember]

Because he calls himself that

[rain sigil]

It's his legal middle name

[hasty grail]

some people go by their middle names

[strange ember]

Jason Thor Hall, goes by Thor

[hasty grail]

my brother does

[opaque raven]

Several reasons

• it's not solid yet
• I don't wanna give ideas bcs it could temper others creativity on a certain level (not for all ofc but still)
• there are...cases of people stealing concepts...boring and dirty but ye
• it's nice to leave some surprises

[gritty tartan]

It's JSON. Or Jamal.

[strange ember]

I don't. I don't like either of mine

[wet storm]

They're pronounced different

Jason is Jay-zon

JSON is

JUH-ZOWN

Any other pronunciation is wrong

[magic jetty]

Why’s everyone putting clown emojis on my message

wtf

Asses

[opaque raven]

It's pronounced Niche not Niche

[idle hill]

My piece of the Only One jam (the One Piece, if you will)
||Normal game progression. You are invited to have tea with someone of significance.
Once you reach your destination, you are looped back to the beginning.
The world is different.
Go to the tea party.
Only one choice will bring you out of the loop.||

[strange ember]

uh... it's always been "Jay sawn"

[rain sigil]

Dont take it personally

[simple flame]

2 ppl isn't "everyone"

[strange ember]

Goblins gonna Goblin

[rain sigil]

Chat's been lousy with people asking that in bad faith

[gloomy forge]

Already wrote 3 pages of design documentation.

[lunar moth]

Eh, that's fair enough - I never understood folks "stealing concepts" and stuff like that, so I keep not thinking about stuff like that... :/

[strange ember]

Man I wish everyone thought like that. Idea theft is so common. Lazy people not wanting to be creative blech

[wet storm]

Two wrongs don't make a right

Y'all need to stop treating every new member like a troll

It's really goddamn disrespectful and toxic

[opaque raven]

It's silly and annoying, but for me it's less about fear of losing my stuff and more about people not making their own

[rain sigil]

Right, that's why I said dont take it personally

[terse pelican]

Jawsun?

[wet storm]

I wasn't necessarily targeting you

[opaque raven]

I want to learn a few things about global timer manipulation anyway so this could be one hell of a good experience

[soft vector]

Joining today and asking why does everyone call him Thor, His name is Jason is troll behavior

[wet storm]

-# It's really goddamn disrespectful and toxic

Maybe with blockier smol text it becomes clearer

[rain sigil]

The possibility that someone doesn't know and is innocently asking does exist

[opaque raven]

-# pls don't scream...

[wet storm]

If you think someone's a troll just open a ticket and let the mods handle it

[wet storm]

Sorry

[gloomy forge]

please don't scream, we're not blind

[terse pelican]

I'll be devils advocate here, It COULD Be a person from a Culture, that MAINLY use the First name when they address people, and it's incredibly rare that someones middle name gets used

[lunar moth]

I mean, the way I think of it is more like "That's interesting, how would I do it and what would I make if I was inspired by it" - so for me it is more... adapation and inspiration, not "Oh, this sounds good! I'm gonna make that!" for multiple reasons not to mention that it is really dumb; everyone who wants to make stuff makes their own stuff, copying other ideas without a single thought themselves is just... not good

[strange ember]

Nah. "jay" that's how you say the letter J
and then don't ask me why it's sawn not son

[wet storm]

I fixed it

[gloomy forge]

I came to this place asking things in good faith.

[terse pelican]

Homer 'Jay' Simpson

[gloomy forge]

but I guess people forgor

[pulsar notch]

don't worry, a scream is only 95-105dB which means that it can't cause permanent hearing damage*

[wet storm]

Terrible, terrible damage

[simple flame]

I also know markdown

[opaque raven]

In my opinion it doesn't matter if it's the middle name or official, what matter is that the person prefers to be called by this name, and that's enough.
This matters the most for me

[wet storm]

Do you know dragon?

[pulsar notch]

*= depending on exposure time, closeness to the scream, consult your doctor if you have been exposed to screaming for prolonged periods of time

[strange ember]

No way!

Me too!

-# Isn't it neat?

[strange ember]

Unfortunately some people aren't really creative, so they go "good idea, I'm going to steal it and pretend it's mine"

[terse pelican]

Yes, Respect peoples preferences, But asking about the topic shouldn't be met with Auto-hostility. People can make simple mistakes

[simple flame]

deez nuts on a fine mesh to make a delicious milk?

[wet storm]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-meme-anime-react-anime-reaction-arakawa-gif-8258439823509290590

[strange ember]

Uh... it wasn't? It was met with "it's his middle name" from like 6 people or something

[lunar moth]

Let's be honest, we all have one way or another picked our own names we go by online; the notion that "I refuse to use your name" is just a silly concept - unless you are saying that you are an actual Radio made out of a Kobold, or a Kobold made out of a radio! xD

[idle hill]

It's also really goddamn disrespectful and toxic to ignore people explaining why people call him Thor, and to call him by his first name instead. If that was their reason for joining, they would have probably never joined in the first place.
We don't need to tolerate every single person coming in answering the same damn question every single time.

[opaque raven]

Oh for sure, I'm 100% on your side, just saying that being an official name doesn't really matter for me

But ofc you can't always get it right, it happens, it's also all about the intent of the person saying

[hasty grail]

people be tying fast

[pulsar notch]

at the end of the day, names are a just a concept

[simple flame]

We get it, he has a cool last name.

[hasty grail]

is a rose by any other name still a rose?

[strange ember]

It was actually 4, you me, very dumb, and uhMetz

[opaque raven]

Fun fact, Radio is actually my irl nickname, has been for many many years and among very different friend groups ☀️

[strange ember]

I think his middle name is cooler

[hasty grail]

speaking of names

how do you get Dick as a nickname from Richard?

[strange ember]

I think I've had my username for longer than some chatters have been alive

[terse pelican]

I don't know, but I did have a classmate in grade-school named ''Dick''

[strange ember]

Yeah, since 2002... so 23 years

[worthy ivy]

yarp this is my real (stage) name

[strange ember]

My username can drink in the US!

[hasty grail]

soooo someone did ask them nicely

[idle hill]

my GM just calls me "Chico", spanish for "Boy". (GM for General Manager)

[muted robin]

(not related to the recent discourse/chatter) i think my "that's a cute opinion, did a youtuber give it to you" meme is getting stale so i created another reaction to summarize my feelings and make things a little fresh

[opaque raven]

I originally guessed that the average age of active users here was around 16 or 17. I've been SEVERELY educated that the actual number is waaaay above this

[lunar moth]

Nice!

I have had so many different nicknames that I have multiple different ones at this point; Argentum is the only nickname that really stuck though that I have had the longest
One of my nicknames used to be "Kitten" because I had a dwarf in WoW called "Kittenbeard"

[muted robin]

why would you think that PS' average viewership is teenagers?

[pulsar notch]

it comes from the middle ages i believe, richard's etymology is "hard ruler" after all

[gloomy forge]

already learning LMMS GIGACHAD maybe i can make my own songs, I decided to make my own tilesets and character art too.

[strange ember]

Yeah, there's about 230k in here. I'd expect the average age is probably like 35 or 40 just because of the tech focus.

[hasty grail]

[opaque raven]

Not necessarily viewership, but active member here on discord. Many, and really mean...MANY users here don't watch the streams, and there is a number that don't even know who Thor is

[strange ember]

Mine's Buddha

[pulsar notch]

being serious tho, it came about because a) people didn't write properly and b) people loved endearing nicknames so they kept shortening richard, and then changing the letters around

[dusky grove]

Richard rick dick

[opaque raven]

Just like William and Guilherme are the same. Etymology hops around like crazy

[hasty grail]

i was making a dick joke

age does not equal maturity as a reminder

[opaque raven]

Ye, it's somewhat close to 35 indeed, I was honestly impressed

[strange ember]

Can confirm. I'm older than him and much more puerile

(childishly silly and trivial)

[pulsar notch]

i am clearly the youngest here at 29 /s

[terse pelican]

At a certain point, Age doesn't matter

[opaque raven]

"I got out of bed in a funny way and now everything hurts"

[terse pelican]

After 25, You don't count the times you've been around the sun, But the number of Physical DLC's you've recieved.

[late vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/jif-vs-gif-peanut-butter-gif-pronounciation-gif-17647969

[idle hill]

been relevant for me since I was a kid

[late vortex]

there is Jif in this Gif

[idle hill]

now I stretch before and after sleeping

[terse pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-talk-about-such-things-joey-gladstone-dave-coulier-fuller-house-we-dont-mention-that-gif-17868280

[idle hill]

they're pronounced the same way...

[pulsar notch]

we don't talk about Bruno 🎵

[undone dragon]

I had to alt-tab to dayjob, missed the end of the voting

what is the Jam's theme?

[strange ember]

https://tenor.com/view/that-makes-me-angry-butters-stotch-stan-marsh-south-park-s6e16-gif-22104685

[warm trench]

Only One

[undone dragon]

nice

[idle hill]

One ring to rule them all...

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-lotr-gif-20662274

[opaque raven]

The problem with getting old is not that you get one physical problem followed by another
The problem with getting old is getting all the physical problems, at the same time, all the time

[strange ember]

No... they aren't... and that's the problem.
Jif has the same starting sound as Judge or Jog.
Gif has the same starting sound as Gift or Garage or Gorge

Some people insist on pronouncing them the same, but that's not common usage

[flint yarrow]

And we don't talk about the third way to spell and say it

[idle hill]

It's okay, I get it, you pronounced it one way your whole life and don't want it to change.

[dusky grove]

If gif was supposed to have a J sound, then you wouldn't have an alternate spelling for it

[flint yarrow]

Woa server boosting gets me a gradient name now instead of just the base pink? Hell yeah

[fading cypress]

The way you can get demonetised for? 👀

[strange ember]

Oh right, the scandanavian way

[ionic sleet]

and now its Ghibli or Jhibli

[strange ember]

J = y

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mauzymice-boykisser-girlkissers-girlkisser-gif-954377797049236358

[lunar moth]

I'm gonna be off now - to game, to work on capstone, to write a GDD, and MOAR!
Ya'll have a good day spinning like the gif above! xD

[strange ember]

and if you don't know why that's demonetizeable... I'm just going to say "furries" and "naughty"

[mellow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-360-cat-360-slurp-cat-360-milk-gif-2481835469465894218

[warm trench]

Oofta?

[opaque raven]

Speaking of demonetize
What's the deal people sayin "unalive"? I mean, I'm not sure if it's a polite and cute way of saying death or if it's just some social media blocking the word and made people get used to get around

[idle hill]

think it was because of tiktok but I could be wrong

[ionic sleet]

advertisers and demonitization was the original reason but now its just ingrained into people

[serene valley]

trying to get around advertisers not liking the word dead/killed/murdered

[fading cypress]

I mean, people expect dum pronunciations, like how the dev of MATE wants you to pronounce it Matte

[serene valley]

that was the initial reason anyway

[frosty socket]

The creator of the format says it's "jif"... The creator of the format is dumb

[fading cypress]

Unalive isn't the only term that people come up with

[ionic sleet]

okay thats stupid and not how english work i recall.

[fading cypress]

IKR?!

But yeah, there was another pretty common one but now can't remember it, bleh

[ionic sleet]

miyazaki also said its jiblee but its actually Ghibli (italian plane)

pronunciation is dumb sometimes

[strange ember]

No I mean it's the common pronunciation. Hard G won out over soft G. There's some die-hard fans, including the inventor of the format. But my main argument is clarity. If it's GIF and JIF and they're pronounced differently, then you don't ever have to say "GIF the image format" or "JIF the peanut butter". If I say a "JIF GIF" you know what it is compared to a "GIF GIF"

[idle hill]

sometimes the majority is wrong, it's ok

[strange ember]

Tik Tok newspeak BS

[frosty socket]

No.. it's Graphics Interface Format, not Jraphics

[ionic sleet]

Oh hey i found a wonderful new pair of Geans at the store today

[frosty socket]

Exactly!

[ionic sleet]

right next to an entire rack of Gorts

[strange ember]

There's many.
That's English.
Blame the Normans.

[fading cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzeF6quKNI

[idle hill]

see now you've both lost it
one word can be pronounced in one way while another is pronounced differently

[frosty socket]

Idfc, it's hard G, not j

[fading cypress]

yes

[frosty socket]

The creator of the format can say it's "jif" all they like, they're wrong

[idle hill]

it's just gif that's pronounced with the j sound, not graphics or the other way around

[ionic sleet]

thats an issue with transliteration and understandable. but Gif/Jif isn't transliteration

[frosty socket]

Yet, the g means graphics

If the g means graphics, means it's Gif, not jif

[idle hill]

and that's where you're wrong

[strange ember]

To be fair there are other examples of acronyms that don't follow that rule

[frosty socket]

I've yet to see English using acronyms that do that

[idle hill]

the G in graphics can be pronounced with a G sound
the G in GIF can be pronounced with a J sound

[frosty socket]

No

It cannot

[idle hill]

they dont have to be mutually exclusive

[strange ember]

I mean they are correct. It is Graphics Interchange Format

[frosty socket]

And thus it's a hard G

[ionic sleet]

lol damn gif/jif is a very good way of changing the topic

[frosty socket]

If gif is pronounced jif, then graphics must be pronounced Jraphics

[idle hill]

No. it doesn't.

[ionic sleet]

and jeans = Geans

[rain sigil]

If the word "gift" has a hard G, then .gif has a hard G

[ocean agate]

he's so old. Happy Birthday

[ionic sleet]

wait then what happens to "Matte" and Mate"

[frosty socket]

EXACTLY

[idle hill]

bass and bass.
lead and lead.
potato tomato.

[rain sigil]

Matte is a french word. Doesn't apply here.

[frosty socket]

The last pair differs depending on if British English or American

[frosty socket]

They're referring to the creators of MATE saying. It's pronounced Matte

[idle hill]

and yet gif can't be pronounced with a J sound? make it make sense

[frosty socket]

Because Gift is a hard G

[fading cypress]

I was gonna say, aren't the creators American?

[frosty socket]

And I was meaning potato and tomato

[strange ember]

NASA - næsə vs nɛsə
SCUBA - skubə vs skŭ:bæ
LASER - leɪzɚ vs læsɪɹ

Also if that looks screwy, it's IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet)

[frosty socket]

Nah sah
Scoo bah
Lay zir

[fading cypress]

You reminded me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrk8sqZfsgI

[frosty socket]

Also, I forgor scuba and laser were acronyms

[strange ember]

heh

[frosty socket]

Idr what laser's was, tho

[umbral gazelle]

wait LASER is an acronym??????

[strange ember]

Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation

[waxen comet]

thats LESER

[frosty socket]

E doesn't exactly work

[waxen comet]

but yea those two words are acronyms

eventually becoming standard words

[strange ember]

Sorry, brain did a senior moment

[fading cypress]

humans are lazy tho, hence why lay-zer

[rain sigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF

"A 2013 online poll of 30,706 people worldwide by Mashable, Addvocate, and Column Five found that seven in ten preferred the hard g over the soft g."

[frosty socket]

Idfc

Oh

Only saw the picture

[strange ember]

seven in ten preferred the hard g over the soft g
Yeah, it's BY FAR the majority opinion

[rain sigil]

That thumbnail is not what i expected lol

The chart is what is interesting

[ionic sleet]

damn it. 31.8% of people are stupid.

[fading cypress]

2.8% ... if someone walks up to me and pronounces each letter individually, I will legit just turn the other way.

[waxen comet]

its funny considering the creator uses letter J

[strange ember]

Nah, just weird

[terse pelican]

Jraphic Interface Format? Hell Naw. I'll go with Gif.

[strange ember]

Yeah, it's an acronym not an initialism

[waxen comet]

er well the letter J pronunciation

[strange ember]

interchange

[idle hill]

57.2% of people are stupid. what a shame, our schools should have taught us better than that. 😔

[terse pelican]

Close enough

[strange ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic sleet]

Giraffe (hard G)
Geans

Jarage

see the stupidity

[gloomy forge]

Ok, got two full written pages now in my GDD.

[wet storm]

The heck there's actual people that say gee ay eff?

[gloomy forge]

well condensed

[wet storm]

No way

I thought I was dumb

[ionic sleet]

is that with a hard G or a soft G

[wet storm]

Guhduduh

[opaque raven]

I gave up on correctly pronouncing Cthulhu
So I just call it Carlos

[wet storm]

Or juhduduh

[prime crest]

"Pronounce each letter" 💀

[terse pelican]

I just call it Chu-Chu

[rain sigil]

I believe it. My dad is the kind of guy who does this. He'll say Jay-Pee-Gee instead of jay-peg for .jpeg.

[ionic sleet]

? Ca Thoo Loo

[gloomy forge]

Maybe its is a top G 👉 like the discord.

[fading cypress]

kuu-thuu-luu