streamchat

[indigo wadi]

Because remaining silent does nothing

[minor nymph]

LOL?

[spare topaz]

when someone is being attacked, defending themselves is not only natural, it is right

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, looks like it's VRam. Sys requirements now list 6gb of vram

as min

[minor nymph]

This.

[indigo wadi]

gtx980 has 4 XD

[buoyant thistle]

Most of them aren't coders right? Or am I wrong on that 🤔

The whole situation is shit

[indigo wadi]

still $200ish for a 1060? god damn

[reef geyser]

On top of that, he's not getting drawn into a back and forth shitfest. He's mostly leaving the shit tornadoes alone, and picking the appropriate times and places to drop succinct explanations of issues or batches of issues. Surgical so he doesn't waste 100% of his day on it. Minimum time cost for maximum return.

[reef geyser]

Hey that's what I'm running now!

[brazen drift]

Which is why you gotta make things crystal clear for the people who aren't just hating for the sake of hating. If you can change even one persons mind its worth it.

[indigo wadi]

Now comes the question, how do I know my current mobo will support a 1060?

[narrow grove]

But an echo chamber is not where we want to fall either right? We can all disagree with each other and try and have a discussion.

[reef geyser]

If it supports a 980, then almost certainly yes

[gloomy forge]

can you tell me what mobo you have?

[indigo wadi]

I got another gpu, but it's a thiccboi with a 6port connector to the power supply

[indigo wadi]

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. H110M-E/M.2 Rev X.0x

[spare topaz]

Does it matter whether they are or not? The point is right now they are fully attacking everything about thor, and if he says nothing their narrative will become accepted as the real one, no matter how error ridden it is - Hell, scroll up and you will see that people are trying to get heartbound's wikipedia page deleted

To stay silent is to allow bullies and charlatans to rewrite history

[minor nymph]

You need to understand something about the internet.
If you don't fight for yourself nobody else will.
You arm your allies and show your detractors that things aren't as bad as they thought.
That post I made? Swayed the dude who hated me.
https://x.com/reallehnert/status/1945360661086908549

Don't ever try to push someone to just -take it- when they are getting shit on.

Christian Franz Lehnert (@reallehnert)

@PirateSoftware @john_shadberry @oxcrowx @The_CodingJesus I think everyone uses TODO in their code while developing it, because it makes it easier to find stuff later. Also, as you said, if this is not finished code, then it's totally fine, and yes people should not claim that it is finished if it is not finished. Thanks for your

X · Jul 16, 2025, 5:51 AM

[buoyant thistle]

Hm, I see it. Kind of sucks that he has to defend himself when he could be doing more coding i think

[rough maple]

From what I got, they probably are coders as much as I am a network technician (for context: I'm doing a course to become one, and I'm not that good yet).

[narrow grove]

Thought this read 1200 at first almost threw up

[indigo wadi]

LOL

this one is $170

I really should look into getting a new gpu anyways

980 is a great card, but getting tough to run some games without the cards fans screaming at me

[gloomy forge]

Alrighty, should work, no issues with burdening the motherboard, you said you have 1x 6 pins for your gpu. you need to check what gpu you buy specifically for that so you don't buy a GPU that has 8 pins while you only have 6

[narrow grove]

True and also in coding you never stop learning. We are consistently wrong, finding new ways to optimize. There is no singular "THE WAY" to code. There are best practices, sure, but not an end all be all.

[indigo wadi]

CPU incase you were interested

[indigo wadi]

oh the gpu that has 6 pins I can't use

and that's the better gpu

[gloomy forge]

CPU is absolutely fine. Since Sandy Bridge there wasn't really a gigantic breakthrough.

How many pins do you have connected right now?

[indigo wadi]

ummm

oh wait, im dumb

okay

so

the better gpu is a TI card

so it has that extra 4pin connector or w/e that this mobo doesn't support

might be a 1060ti

[reef geyser]

Dang homie, how old is that board?

[indigo wadi]

well, pc was bought in late 2018, and had a gt710 cpu

just to giv eyou an idea

gpu*

[gloomy forge]

Eh the pins are not about the mobo but usually the PSU.

[indigo wadi]

ive been kind of frankensteinig parts as needed

[buoyant thistle]

Who would hate you? Youre a human i think after all

[gloomy forge]

yeah 2018 fits with the 7xxx intel. his pc is alright.

[hazy storm]

Im glad he was willing to see reason. That alone elevates him above the other drama farmers

[narrow grove]

Well it gamed, but depending on what u play it may just be time for an upgrade regardless

[indigo wadi]

THATS IT. I couldn't remember if it was mobo or psu

[reef geyser]

Ohhhh pins pins, like power pins. I thouht you were talking PCI connector pins lol

[indigo wadi]

no no

lol

[rough maple]

You'll be surprised by how easily people can hate someone.

[brazen drift]

Well funny thing about the internet, people like to forget people are human when theres no consequences for being anonymous.

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, if you're able to put 6 pins together I think a 1060 may work. Its difficult to explain this stuff here in chat in detail.

[indigo wadi]

fun fact

I have a better mobo

but case won't fit thi sone LOL

[narrow grove]

Hate is a strong word, but there are certainly jackasses out there that do. I'd voice my general opinion of the whole situation and outlook on streamers as a whole but quite confident it wouldn't be taken well or as constructive. So Ill just leave it at that.

[patent bear]

Stop making me need to log into Xitter.

[indigo wadi]

This is the better gpu that I have https://www.newegg.com/msi-n550gtx-ti-cyclone-oc-geforce-gtx-550-ti-1gb-graphics-card-single-fan/p/N82E16814127573

[gloomy forge]

alrighty guys I gonna head off, if there is a problem just write me a DM gonna get on it when I'm back.

[indigo wadi]

actually

[reef geyser]

That's not better than the 980 my dude

[indigo wadi]

lemme doublecheckj

[buoyant thistle]

Wow. Yeah I chill under a rock and do my own stuff. I code, I drink, I just enjoy life. And how I see the situation right now, it's a uphill battle, but with a crew 😆

[reef geyser]

I was running a 550TI up until a couple years ago when my machine let the magic smoke go

[patent bear]

https://tenor.com/view/bo-burnham-inside-welcome-to-gif-22074441

[indigo wadi]

no this cant be right

[buoyant thistle]

You're saying youre not a bot?!?

[indigo wadi]

lemme take a pic of it

[lapis tartan]

Playing in the mud can be fun at times, but you should really stop when you realize it isn't mud anymore. Especially when the smell kicks in. Drama slop bad.

[patent bear]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-meat-popsicle-gif-11100443

[narrow grove]

Multi-pass?

https://tenor.com/view/multipass-gif-9536054

[buoyant thistle]

It is sloppy dude. I cant even watch workout shorts without piratesoftqare this, software that

[lapis tartan]

Pffft... Ew, why is it getting everywhere. Where's the hose?

[indigo wadi]

so what card is this? XD

[narrow grove]

oh my god clean it please

lol

[patent bear]

Unless it's in waves, Youtube seems to have stopped recommending me such videos.

[indigo wadi]

later concern

[reef geyser]

Label says 550TI

[buoyant thistle]

Searched him once cause of pen testing and now my history has the black plague

[narrow grove]

she needs TLC

[rough maple]

It's an unfortunate reality.

People want to be "heroes", they want to fight evil, they want to make a difference, so whenever the bigger fishes bite first, others will blindly follow.

Evidence is ignored in favor of emotion, just like many other things I've seen online.
There's no difference, because this is just human behavior.

In the past I would've blindly followed the crowd, but when you watch stuff unfold with your own eyes, you also see how everything you believed in crumbles like crackers.

[indigo wadi]

So it's a 1gb gpu?

meaning my current gpu is better?

[reef geyser]

Absolutely

[brazen drift]

love how half this chat is computer spec talking and the other half is "man internet drama sucks"

[indigo wadi]

gdi

[lapis tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/blackspot-gibbs-superstition-pirates-potc-gif-16521850

[indigo wadi]

here I thought it was better LOL

[reef geyser]

980 is a couple generations ahead and a couple series ahead as well

[indigo wadi]

okay, so I can basically garbage this card then

[reef geyser]

550->650->750->850->950, then up 960->970->980

[indigo wadi]

thank god I didn't actually pay money for this card then LOL

[narrow grove]

or do some dumb project with it lol

[reef geyser]

Depends if you want to go to the effort of selling it. There is a burgeoning market for retro builds.

People buy up old school parts, cpus, graphics cards, and build old machines

[indigo wadi]

I don't have the motivation for it tbh

now I wanna look at that mobo

[buoyant thistle]

That's unfortunate really. I hope it all dies out for em. I would livid if someone kept pestering me about my comments on my rough draft of code. Especially if it says TODO or NOTE or if it has an actual doc string on top of my defined function.

[indigo wadi]

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z390-e-gaming-model/ this is the mobo

[buoyant thistle]

Order them a new pair of eyes. Glass pair so they can see better

[indigo wadi]

has cpu and ram

not sure what cpu it is though

[reef geyser]

Looks like that board is PCI 3.0 which is same gen as the 1060 was compatible for on release, so it should be fine for that card if you're still leaning that way.

[indigo wadi]

only thing that's prevented me from getting a case is i don't know what size case this would take

[reef geyser]

Looks like full size ATX. So any case compatible with that size.

[narrow grove]

If im not mistaken though arent your ram sticks in the wrong DIMM slots?

[indigo wadi]

I wonder if I could bring this mobo into a computer place and have them fit it with a case and such

[reef geyser]

Oh yeah good catch. Should be 1-3

[indigo wadi]

this one has 4

[narrow grove]

Correct but that mobo is a 1a 2a 1b 2b board. Where it should be 1a and 1b for dimm slots

[reef geyser]

That's the first and third slots @indigo wadi

[indigo wadi]

which direction?

[reef geyser]

Starting from the CPU end

That's 1

[indigo wadi]

I don't even see them labeled

so i have no idea

[reef geyser]

You currently have them in 1 and 2, so the one that is closest to the 2 remaining empty slots should move over one space

[narrow grove]

its in the manual. always read the manual. as a word of general advice

[indigo wadi]

this was sent to me by a friend whose a pc techy, so no manual

[narrow grove]

Ah

[patent bear]

Arm got stuck in a wind turbine that's still in its packaging.

[narrow grove]

welp

[indigo wadi]

I believe I also took out 2 of the ram sticks and put em in this pc

[brazen drift]

I had to build my own with my tech friend on a call while i cried because i didnt wanna break my ram :')

[indigo wadi]

so this had 4 sticks of ram in

[brazen drift]

then i cut my finger on the back metal plate of the PC so the blood sacrifice was fufilled and it runs flawlessly

[tight bramble]

"How do you hack a computer?"

"With an axe!"

[indigo wadi]

fwiw, i've never attempted at trying to make this mobo run

it's been on ice as a backup

mainly cause I wasn't sure about case.

[narrow grove]

Not the end of the world. But I will just assume that your buddy bought the same set of ram sticks

[reef geyser]

@indigo wadi

[indigo wadi]

so why are the ram slots odd if there's 4?

[narrow grove]

they have DIMM lanes

[reef geyser]

Because of how memory lanes work.

Two slots for the A, two slots for the B.

[indigo wadi]

if all 4 sticks are the same, would that even matter?

[narrow grove]

In some cases one lane can be better than another

[reef geyser]

No. This advice is only for 2 sticks

[indigo wadi]

I'd be running 4 sticks

[reef geyser]

If you're filling it up then all 4 is a send

[indigo wadi]

ya, that'd be the goal

[narrow grove]

Theoretically no. Im sure there is some rounadabout bs about timings being slighty different between two different sticks effecting performance

[reef geyser]

Yeah if they aren't binned

But in almost every use case, it doesn't matter

[indigo wadi]

alright, back to the bubblewrap it goes 😂

[narrow grove]

Now if you had TWO complete separate sets of sticks then were talking differently

[indigo wadi]

hrm....

[narrow grove]

As a superstition I do like to keep the sticks from a pack together in the same lane

[reef geyser]

That's a good practice anyway, since they are more likely to be closely batched

[narrow grove]

basically yes that is why I do it plus the superstitious side lol

[indigo wadi]

oh wait, these are mid-towers

[narrow grove]

Do you need a full?

[reef geyser]

Also, MXC sideline reporter in the pith helmet Guy LeDouche?

[indigo wadi]

it's what another said, ya

mobo fits a full'

[reef geyser]

Nono, that was for mobo sizing. A lot of mid towers can fit full ATX

Just have to make sure it says it does

[narrow grove]

That is correct. Let me give you context for the current picture

[indigo wadi]

oh really?

[reef geyser]

Yeah towers come in full, mid, and compact, as well as more outlier sizes like super and mini. Mobos are generally ATX, miniATX, and microATX, with E-ATX being the big ones

[indigo wadi]

so this would fit the mobo i have?

[reef geyser]

Yeah, compatibility with ATX

[indigo wadi]

awesome

any number of fans I should keep in mind?

[tight bramble]

-wheeze- I thought that said 'Brand: Muhsex' lmao

[indigo wadi]

this one has 6, which feels plenty

[reef geyser]

More is better generally, and you want more air coming in than sucking out. Positive pressurization.

[narrow grove]

So my name in my personal discord has always been some form of Guy (Guy LeDouche). We all grew up with MXC. Basically the name changes when my friends change it and is basically a storyline of my "character" in the discord. I do something cool, say something and it changes. Recently we played the Gears Remaster demo. And I used to be very good with the Torque bow and did well with it while we were playing. So now my name is Torque Bow Guy. And the current profile pic I just generated on Midjourney using my normal Guy Ledouche profile pic and a picture of a Torque bow. And this is what it generated.

[indigo wadi]

this one is $93 and im hella tempted to grab it

also, OPEN GLASS SIDE PANEL

[narrow grove]

This is the normal profile pic

Overall though there have been many iterations of Guy over the years

[indigo wadi]

Oh I guess I should make sure the PSU can fit

Corsair AX860i PSU

[narrow grove]

I mean full atx cases are a pain in the ass if you lug it around

[reef geyser]

That's a good price for a case, and a god amount of pre-installed fans.

[indigo wadi]

not planning on it

[reef geyser]

As an owner of a Rosewill Thor V2, correct XD

[narrow grove]

oh my god that was my last case lmfao

[reef geyser]

Big downside, finding replacement 240mm fans

[narrow grove]

I went to a Hyte Y70 a while back love the case love the look

[indigo wadi]

I think it'll fit?

[reef geyser]

Looks like it.

[narrow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/for-my-homies-for-my-homies-don't-get-eliminated-gif-1558447440347896927

[reef geyser]

150<170

eck

[indigo wadi]

tight fit?

[reef geyser]

20mm clearance, almost an inch

[indigo wadi]

mmm, should be okay then

I have the cables as well. My main concern now would be making sure I plug things in correctly XD

[reef geyser]

Manual has the pinouts for the important stuff like I/O panel

[indigo wadi]

the manual that never arrived? 😛

[narrow grove]

Are you a get it all in the case builder or build it mostly outside then transfer it into the case type of builder

[reef geyser]

Most all MOBO you can find the manual from the manufacturer and download it

[narrow grove]

can always pull it off the web

What archangel said

[indigo wadi]

I've only ever replaced parts here and there, never actually built a pc

[reef geyser]

Depends on the build, and how much of a pain the CPU cooling setup I'm putting in is going to be.

Generally I like to work inside the case

[indigo wadi]

CPU is already on the mobo

[tight bramble]

Just get a corsair 1000D and your space issues will be gone lol

[narrow grove]

I used to work outside the case personally. But I likely wont ever switch from the similar profile type of the Hyte Y70 ever again. Really made doing it all in the case ez af

I got large hands and tall but not wide towers always would get cramped

[reef geyser]

Last time I did a build in a Thor V2 case, I was doing it for a friend of my nephew. I gave him mate's rates, parts at cost with only $50 labor as a formality. Was really only looking to help they guy save cash and get the machine he wanted for cheaper than it would have cost him to go it alone or buy it from a shop. I fronted all the money out of pocket for the parts, and invoiced him with payments at zero interest.

Dude never paid me.

[narrow grove]

Using both my pointer finger to get a cable in sucks ass

[indigo wadi]

I'm curious how Thor let you build a PC inside him

[narrow grove]

thems the brakes

[reef geyser]

The darn CPU power cable every time

[tight bramble]

With a bit of surgery, duh!

[buoyant thistle]

Hire a helper with racoon hands

Cause i feel you lol

[narrow grove]

last time I had a helper, they dropped an AIO radiator directly on the cpu and busted all the pins never again.

I do it myself and only myself lol

I shall suffer if I need to suffer at this point

[indigo wadi]

is this something I need to be concerned with my mobo?

[buoyant thistle]

If that happened to me, the report ill give to the police officer is: "he somehow slipped and fell down the stairs multiple times"
Officer: "this is a duplex"

You dont say?

Must have been another building

[narrow grove]

Fun fact that same person also crushed their RAM sticks because they tried to force them in when they were aligned backwards

[indigo wadi]

I've no idea how this is a computer case. It looks like a transformer

[narrow grove]

Just gimmicky. but cool

[reef geyser]

It appears your mobo has the correct connectors

[buoyant thistle]

It looked like a spray bottle lmao

[narrow grove]

I like the desk builds that people do

[indigo wadi]

phew

[buoyant thistle]

"Maybe if I hammer it in, it will go in finally."

[narrow grove]

these types of builds are cooler to me

[indigo wadi]

brb changing pants

[buoyant thistle]

T hats prerrt cool

[indigo wadi]

oh this is pretty

[narrow grove]

The wall builds ive seen are awesome too

[indigo wadi]

well now that I know what case to get, I can bookmark it and look at getting it later.

@reef geyser @gloomy forge @tight bramble @narrow grove Thanks for the help. You actually ended up saving me a bunch of money because I was thinking about getting a new pc

[tight bramble]

You're welcome!

[indigo wadi]

if I wanted to go above a 1060 card, what would be a good one to look for?

[tight bramble]

So im hopping into a voice channel for anyone to hang out and chop it up. I'll be playing div2 with the weekly reset stuff.

[indigo wadi]

Shouldn't the 1060 be like, $100ish cheaper than a 3050?

[terse pelican]

It looks like the 1060 is a 3rd party seller?

[azure dust]

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

[indigo wadi]

amazon, but prob

[indigo wadi]

So I guess the 3050 would be the better buy then

[terse pelican]

probably

[narrow grove]

Oh I didnt do much, but you are welcome sir.

[indigo wadi]

yuck lol

[terse pelican]

GTX 980? That's... Old

[indigo wadi]

Yes it is.

[terse pelican]

One might say, Retro.

[indigo wadi]

Rad even

[toxic rampart]

Heck yeah.
Nothing wrong with letting it continue to live.

I actually upcycled an old RX260x Ghost into my previous build to make it output to my old Sony TV with CRT EMU.

UFO 50 looks great on it lol

[tight bramble]

I still have, somewhere in storage, an Asus g75 gaming laptop with a gtx 660m. Absolute unit.

[toxic rampart]

I need to try signalis on it as well.

The idea is to have it for both newer games (that can be forced or put into 480/240), retro titles for conservation/collecting and art because I do CRT weirdness.

[swift star]

I love CRT weirdness. Show me more. x3

[mellow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-kissing-cat-cat-kissing-cat-kisses-cat-kiss-gif-16232728409159136712

[serene valley]

I wish I had a small CRT to connect my PC to

Itd be funny to play modern games on it

[swift star]

I love MXC. 💙

[swift star]

Played Final Fantasy 13 (Xbox 360 at the time) on a CRT, ended up getting my first HDTV as a result because the UI was too teeny on CRT.

[minor nymph]

https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1945394907780407815

Pirate Software (@PirateSoftware)

@godsuo69 @ad__ee @Caoimhn @Ludrose_Dragon @JeffreyBuilds @oxcrowx Hello.

Here is my work experience, all of the jobs I have ever held, and my obligations in those roles. I have done work under a lot of different hats and on many different teams.

My roles have been Freelance Development, QA, Test Engineering, Application Security, Senior Red

X · Jul 16, 2025, 8:07 AM

[forest glacier]

switches channel Oh hai

[carmine sierra]

[narrow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/guyledouche-ledouche-mxc-like-gif-27249944

[forest glacier]

More people arguing over programming on a computer. No Diss, Thor, I appreciated the man as he presented himself in December 2023, and I don’t.. really think I could handle this type of situation better than you so why would I turn against you for something, for one; I don’t even understand. I’m just a dude with too much time and not enough time at the same time. Sadge

[vivid maple]

wasnt that show on spike tv

[wraith cobalt]

I've likely missed some context here, so I apologize, but its a no sleep kinda night. Was gonna throw up the stream, but it looks like no stream tonight?

[dusky grove]

Wed and thurs days off

[sinful kestrel]

Looked into this and I'm sure now that Heartbound isn't running on the fridge.
The first part of the video is making an APK for Heartbound to run on Android.
The fridge runs Tizen, which isn't android. But it does have built in support for streaming a samsung phone to it, and controlling it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Xj4fYHy_PM&t=549s
You can see in this review at 9:10, you can even see the white bar pops up that would say Connecting to HeartBridge in Steet's video.
So while it technically meet Thor's challenge, it is streaming from another device and it running on the fridge doesn't say anything about it's performance.
For a second I thought Steets was using SDB to upload a TPK from the manual they were flipping through in the vid but they abandoned that to go for the streaming solution.

Now youtube's going to think I'm trying to buy a new fridge 🥶

[reef geyser]

Not this Thursday though. Wed off, Thurs on this week.

[forest glacier]

Ay dune updates out

[wraith cobalt]

Ahhhh, for some reason I was thinking its just thursday

[toxic rampart]

It can be quite a bit of work to get going correctly.
Most people just buy a cheap adapter but aren't actually converting the signal to analog or even the correct ratio.
So they end up squishing a 16:9 image that's 1080+ down into 4:3 and then wonder why it looks terrible lol.

Usually you want at least an analog DVI out, CRT EMU or custom driver if on Linux and then a powered converter from like DVI to Component or S video.

THEN you have to get the modern program to want to run in 4:3 and a new native resolution of 480.

X.x

Oh and there's the whole Hz thing too lmao

Most sane solution?
Buy a crt monitor, not TV and then convert.
Still work, but far less.

When done right. It's gorgeous tbh.

[fluid dome]

Insane that you have to even make this clarification

[restive copper]

From shaye stream, @warped venture your now badmod apprently

The orginal message

[fierce bison]

i would have thrown in that I worked at Blizzard just to piss them off even more, but that's just me saying stupid things.

maybe not the smartest idea, but there is that urge deep inside

[shadow dawn]

I have decided that in the case someone tries to start beef with me im just going to use overly cutesy names like sweetheart and sugarplum

[shadow dawn]

You already posted that here before?

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-1107972158425297474

not me at least

literally just saw the video just now

[shadow dawn]

Oh nvm just similar thumbnails

[blissful imp]

that's youtube for you

[shadow dawn]

My monke brain did not want to compute that, sorry

[fierce bison]

you know there's that strategy of taking someone's word that is meant to be an insult and mocking the word until it loses meaning, idk how effective that strategy would be here, I'm just kind of simulating in my head if I was in Thor's shoes and someone called me out for supposedly saying i worked at Blizzard too often, and then i started mocking it and purposefuly doing it, what the outcome of that would be.
Kind of like ThePrimeagen repeatedly saying "arch btw" jokingly

[blissful imp]

ok what???? i open up steam for Hole and find out Destiny 2 had a new Expansion release???? i had no idea, but don't really care. here's proof tho https://store.steampowered.com/app/3186490/Destiny_2_The_Edge_of_Fate/

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[shadow dawn]

Hmmmm
That might do something cuz ppl would just get annoyed real fast

Or it could backfire horribly aka more cringe-ass compilations

[fierce bison]

idk i feel like that cow has been milked already (the compilations), but yeah idk

[blissful imp]

Anyway here's the link for Hole as that video didn't link the steam store page for some reason. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2971610/HOLE/

Steam

HOLE

■Overview. HOLE is a low-resolution, gun jamming, single-player FPS.
This is a small but hard gunfight.
Let's clear jam with swearing.■Play time 5 to 30 minutes per stage.
No time limit.
Assume 2-3 hours to unlock all stages (3 in total).■Recommended for

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Price

$4.99

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[fierce bison]

what's with the link spam

[blissful imp]

i like sharing things. at least i'm sharing cool games instead of stupid internet bullshit.

[fierce bison]

you realize you can at least get rid of the previews that fill up the entire screen, right?

[shadow dawn]

You would think so, yeah
But looking at the state of my YT recommendations before "do not recommend this channel" tells a different story

[fierce bison]

true

[blissful imp]

i personally like the embedded previews. but that's just my opinion.

looks nicer to me

[fluid dome]

How good is vgen for commissioning artists?

[lavish coyote]

I know a few good artists on there. They like it. I havent used it myself. (Im scared to commission artists but i wanna)

[undone dragon]

It's pretty good, mostly because it offers frame work and recourses for both artists and customers. But I believe they take some % of the commission as fee

[modest mango]

Argueably a good thing. It's kinda like escrow, innit?

[carmine sierra]

Gotta love them relishing in the "downfall" of someone that the guy they're supporting told them to leave the hell alone

[late bane]

At this point I will teach myself how to code a web browser extension, just so I can prevent these videos from appearing in my feeds

[carmine sierra]

And in the meantime, more fodder for "Don't recommend this channel"

[late bane]

It's like a hydra

[main ruin]

@vivid maple I understand the frustration but please refrain from bringing this up in the server. At this point and after the thunderdome I think everything that needed to be said has been said

[late bane]

You stop recommending one channel and two more appear

[worthy ivy]

yuuup - have cleaned out so much trash from my feed

is a very accurate litmus paper for "have they bothered to do even the most basic of research"

[fierce bison]

those videos are a dime a dozen, idk why'd you'd pick that one out of a million other ones that are grifting for relevance

[waxen comet]

yea people are suddenly dogpiling on thor
first WoW, next SKG, next his code

[undone dragon]

Not quite? The framework is nice, so neither side are depending on the esoteric-ness of "how does PayPal customer service feels today"

but the site itself takes a fee, kinda like Etsy but less terrible

[worthy ivy]

the early web was mainly nerds, plus a few corpo types and commercial sites

then regular folk and social media and "user generated content" becomes a thing

now we have an internet filled with brainrot

was the only logical endpoint if you think about it - we should have kept the internet for the nerds - normies can't be trusted with such power

MAKE THE INTERNET NERDY AGAIN!

"MINA"
put that on a hat 🙂

[fierce bison]

truth

[undone dragon]

here https://help.vgen.co/hc/en-us/articles/12820094917655-What-are-VGen-s-fees
They take 5% as a service fee so if I.... get a commission from say Martina

https://vgen.co/Martinabelli

(she did a portrait of my favorite Shadowrun character)

5% of that 170 euro price for a full body pic would go to Vgen and not to her. so She'd get 161.50, minus whatever Paypal fees get stacked on top

[strange ember]

5.1-8.5 euro

plus a flat fee of probably a bit under half a euro

[undone dragon]

Yep yep. Not terrible, but some people get butt russled about fees so I mention them :p

As a customer not having to deal with PayPal directly is a boon. I'm pretty sure it's also a good thing for the artists

also the browsing/visibility is a nice touch (vs diving into the "commissions open" tags on Tumblr or Bsky)

[strange ember]

At worst that's probably 153/170... which is 90% which is pretty good margin considering that's all comission/platform and payment processing fees

[gloomy forge]

Hi everyone

Hole mentioned, I actually wrote about the game here in this discord

Phenomenal game.

Here it is (dunno how to link shit in discord)

[undone dragon]

are you trying to link to a message you made in Discord, or link to something outside of Discord?

[frosty spear]

Does anyone know why khronos doesn't announce his streams in the streams channel?

Just curious

[fierce bison]

I would guess because this isn't his server? Would split the community/spam double the notifications potentially. Just a guess, I'm new here

[modest mango]

Right, but the artist and you both get a person in the middle to smooth over issues.

I personally think escrow-like services are a great boon to online business. Paypal is not an "escrow-like service", mind you.

[undone dragon]

yeah that's what I mean. Having a contact point is a great bonus

[frosty spear]

Shae does ping, and Khronos streams on days Thor doesn't from what I've seen

And I've seen people post clips from his stream in the clips channel

[golden mirage]

He's streaming, go ask him?

[frosty spear]

Nah

[fierce bison]

what's his stream? i'm curious

never seen his content

[undone dragon]

He doesn't only stream when Thor is off. He was doing unban requests on stream yesterday while playing Dune for a while

[undone dragon]

https://www.twitch.tv/khronosvii

[fierce bison]

thanks

[vivid maple]

Oh i know

It's more annoying than it is frustrating

[swift gulch]

Oh, legit question I've been meaning to ask
I've heard a lot of the troll memes about "second puberty", but was that actually something Thor claimed?
Listening to clips from years ago vs today, it seems mostly like voice training to get rid of the nasaly aspect, and gradual pitch shifts over time

Okay, answered my own question 😛
https://youtube.com/shorts/vtAM3zMuyZ0

[frosty spear]

Nah Thor's just a raging gregaholic and the greggs deposited on his vocal cords

[swift gulch]

👍

But yeah I had kinda the same situation myself
My voice dropped half an octave in my late 20's, just gradually shifting down
Was wondering if the second puberty was a real thing or just an explanation he gave
Seems like the latter from this clip

[gloomy forge]

Yeah, linking a message i wrote in this discord channel.

[winged knoll]

#streamchat message

Right click message, copy message link

[strange ember]

Eh, some people just get a lower voice over time.
Or their range expands.

Like I normally talk on the high end of my register because I never had the sharp shift some guys get in puberty with the cracking and stuff, so I just don't use the lower end as much

[gloomy forge]

#streamchat message please make it work it worked! thankies man

[swift gulch]

Yeah, like I said, same thing for me
I was just wondering if he was actually saying it was a second puberty, or if he was just using that as a comparison to explain the voice drop

Personally I think it's a combination of pitch shift over time, and him effectively talking into a mic for a living for sixty hours a week and the inherent even if unintentional voice training that's going to cause

[strange ember]

Part of it's also the proximity effect IIRC. He's closer to the mic now than he used to be

[swift gulch]

But yeah I had someone in another server show his newest short and his speech at the Streamer Awards two years ago as evidence that he uses a voice changer
And I'm just like, dude both of the clips you showed are entirely within a reasonable vocal range for a single person
Yeah there's going to be a pitch difference when he's excited and giving a speech for an award he won, vs calmly explaining something to a random dono message

[fierce bison]

i think that's just a small effect, there's clips of him just talking normally with people on the street, same voice, no mic distance effect

speaking closely into the mic just catches a bit more of those lower 100hz frequencies in the voice, but that's about it

you can test this yourself with audacity (free audio software)

[winged knoll]

No problem ice cream man

[strange ember]

The thing with me is "why the <censored> do you care" when people are all
"He UsEs a vOIcE ChANgER!"

[shut ocean]

He for sure EQ's the highs and boosts the lows in the mic but I mean who cares lol. Plenty of people do that

[strange ember]

Doubt, you can hear him on other people's content and he sounds the same

[fierce bison]

alsmost everyone does the U shaped EQ

[swift gulch]

According to them, it's the first layer of how he's a piece of shit, but shows how he lies to glaze himself up
It's insane mental gymnastics

[shut ocean]

Nah his mic has that specific sound you get when you boost the lows

[strange ember]

AKA: They're conspiracy hatemob and not worth your time

[swift gulch]

Yep

I ditched out of that conversation before they went on to layer two, because if that's their layer one then their opinion is legitimately not worth listening to

[shut ocean]

again who cares😭 like the least harmful thing imo

[strange ember]

Yup

[swift gulch]

Yeah, exactly

[strange ember]

But also it's provably false, trivially

Which just makes it even more sad

[shut ocean]

Yeah but the trolls will troll

[fierce bison]

when you set up your audio for YT/streaming, you pull down the mid frequencies to reduce the muddiness in the voice and make it more rich. This inevitably leaves the lows and the highs up

[swift gulch]

Part of the fun for when he does cooking videos with Winky is being able to just go
"Hey so you know how you said he edits his mic? Here's him on a camcorder"

[strange ember]

Oh they'll just say he edited the onboard EQ

or something

[winged knoll]

The conspiracy is Thor shoved a voice changer up his buttocks

[swift gulch]

Pfff

[winged knoll]

You can't prove he's innocent without examining

[fierce bison]

they can check as they're eating his whole ass tbh

[strange ember]

People think the earth is flat, and we're secretly being governed by lizard people.
Justifying your nutjob theory that Thor's a BadPeople is cake compared to the mental gymnastics required to ignore "just taking an airplane" or "seeing a ship sink under the horizon"

[winged knoll]

pants off birthday boi

[fierce bison]

xD

[strange ember]

That would be hilarious and also a terrible idea

[wanton stump]

Saw the most reasonable take on Thor in IndieMouses Lies of P vid

[harsh viper]

Ashtar Sheran will come and save us all

[wanton stump]

"F*** Pirate software, I dont care about drama or any of that stuff I just dont like the guy"

[strange ember]

See, that's fine

[wanton stump]

Finally a good take

[wanton stump]

Thats what Im saying

[strange ember]

"Me not like. Convo over. Moving on"

[wanton stump]

He didnt make something up to justify his dislike or list off misinfo, asked people to support SKG and said he doesnt like PS

Its not so hard it turns out

You can just dislike the guy

[strange ember]

Like me with Asmongold.
Don't like. Don't want to interact with his content. Moving on.

[fierce bison]

it's also like a completely irrelevant take, why would he even mention it if not to still dunk on Pirate?

still the same grandstanding content farming approach, nothing special

[strange ember]

Because he's tied into the current narrative

[wanton stump]

I dont care if he dunks on PS tbh, I just dont want to see lies getting spread

[harsh viper]

I mean unless someone specifically asked about him, why mention it at all

I mean yes, it's better, but still

[wanton stump]

You should be able to dunk on someone if you dont like them

[fierce bison]

it's a pig with lipstick on it

[harsh viper]

what

[strange ember]

Because SKG = PS Drama

[wanton stump]

What?

[strange ember]

That just is what it is right now

[wanton stump]

If I dont like someone I should able to say "F*** that guy"

[strange ember]

I just said I don't like Asmongold.
Unprompted.
Like... how is that not dunking on the guy?

[fierce bison]

exactly

[harsh viper]

I mean ye, but will you bring it into a discussion with no point whatsoever just with the goal of dunking on someone?

[strange ember]

I mean it's not no point

[wanton stump]

I might

[strange ember]

Someone talked about SKG. All the coverage about SKG is about Thor

It just... is

Is it stupid? Sure

[wanton stump]

But yeah SKG and Thor are unfortunately linked

[strange ember]

Is it irrelevant? No

[harsh viper]

that is my point, yes :D

no one is obligated to participate in the stupid

[fierce bison]

just because everyone does it doesn't mean you have to do it too

but you do have the incentive to do it if dogpiling helps the algorithm push you into the conversation and get you them views

[strange ember]

It's one of the reasons I hope this at least gets to the presentation before the EU Parliament stage... if it fails earlier than that it's just going to reignite the stupid drama

[wanton stump]

Maybe I the minority here but I think its okay to dunk on thor if you dont like him?

[fierce bison]

parliament will laugh it all the way out the door

[wanton stump]

You dont even need a good reason, if you dont like Thor its fine to dunk on him

[opaque raven]

Define "dunk"

[dusky grove]

sounds like something a playground bully would say

[brittle brook]

if you're going to dunk on someone, maybe don't go into that persons community-discord to do it. like if you're dunking on people on YOUR personal discord server/socials/etc, that's one thing.

[harsh viper]

there's this concept that is very foreign to many people... of not engaging with content you don't like

[dusky grove]

just walk away

[wanton stump]

Saying stuff like "I dont like that guy" or "F*** that guy"

[fierce bison]

nah i will admit it's his right to freedom of speech, just that the same goes for him, the street goes both ways

[harsh viper]

also could be said as "when you've got nothing good to say, you could say nothing at all"

[strange ember]

So you're saying nobody should say anything about people they don't like even when a topic is intrinsically linked to them in the public consciousness?

[brittle brook]

going into someone elses community to dunk on them though, that's just trying to shit in your hands and clap

[dusky grove]

that's not dunking on him, that's stating an opinion

[wanton stump]

I dont think so, sometimes you just dont vibe with someone

[wanton stump]

But thats what I was talking about

[dusky grove]

i mean, there's a difference between saying "I don't like X" which is stating an opinion, and dunking which is done with malicious intent to demean

[wanton stump]

I am reffering to this

[dusky grove]

I wouldn't lump the two together

and I'm saying that's fine. I just don't think that falls under "dunking"

[fierce bison]

it's done for views and with knowledge that defaming is the end result, intended or not.

[wanton stump]

He also said "If you are spending your time making 11 videos about him you are obsessed and you need to chill"

[fierce bison]

that's just grandstanding while he does the same thing with his 1 video

people are so naive

[wanton stump]

My guy its like 10 seconds of the video

[strange ember]

Yeah, that's a bunch of toxic politeness to me. If I don't like a person, I have no obligation to censor myself because I don't like them, that's insane.
I have an obligation not to directly promulgate hate, but if someone else brings up the subject, saying "screw Ludwig, I hate that guy" when for example someone talks about offbrand? That's fine

[fierce bison]

doesn't matter

[wanton stump]

I disagree

[harsh viper]

have you noticed how many 10 seconds were taken out of context for millions of views recently?

[fierce bison]

this

[strange ember]

So because someone might take something out of context nobody can express a negative opinion?

[dusky grove]

I mean, thinking to the origin of the word "dunking", basketball, dunking on someone is kinda disrespectful.

hence, saying "I don't like X." isn't a dunk because there's still kinda respect there. Dunking would be to undermine and defame stuff

[wanton stump]

I get your point then, I agree

[fierce bison]

you're free to express your opinion, but you do so fully aware of the consequences, and as such you're going to be held accountable for that, simple as that

just because you state your oppinon does not mean your oppinion in turn is immune to criticism

[strange ember]

So I'm accountable for the actions of others now?

[fierce bison]

that's not what i said

[harsh viper]

I can also talk about WoW without saying "f... asmongold" as long as he's not directly brought into discussion.. when someone specifically asks about him, sure

[wanton stump]

But what if I want to?

[winged knoll]

Guys, it's ok if people dislike Thor

[harsh viper]

then as was said, you will be held accountable

no one is saying you can't do it

[fierce bison]

freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences, it's a simple concept

[harsh viper]

but as much as you're free to do whatever you want, we're free to judge you for it :)

[wanton stump]

Oh of course

[strange ember]

That's what the conversational thread is about.
Someone said "F--- Thor. I don't like the guy" (or something similar) in relation to a question about SKG.
What you just said is that I should be held accountable for expressing my opinion and the consequences of that.

Which the only consequences are the actions of others

[wanton stump]

Im just saying I personally dont think its wrong to do this, its fine to me

Id rather have that than people inventing narratives and spreading misinfo

[fierce bison]

my dude what are you smoking

[strange ember]

this

[harsh viper]

well we all agreed that it's better

but that doesn't mean that it's still not bad

:D

[wanton stump]

I guess we just disagree then

I wouldnt think less of anyone for doing the same about some other public figure personally

Thats fine

[strange ember]

If by bad you mean "shouldn't be said" then I disagree

[wanton stump]

We can just not agree on this, its cool

[harsh viper]

we're not saying it shouldn't be said ever... we're saying it's milked for views and therefore there are consequences beyond "having an opinion"

[fierce bison]

the reason it "shouldn't be said" is because whoever says it exposes his ulterior motives of just capitalizing on the hate

it's in the detriment of whoever says it

it's their freedom to do so however

[wanton stump]

I think that conclusion hinges on too many assumptions for me to make it

[strange ember]

Same

[wanton stump]

Not saying you are wrong for it tho, I just cant make that conclusion, Id feel like I was assuming too much about the other person

[fierce bison]

they're only assumptions if you assume they don't know what they're doing, in order to promote their channel. Which is naive

[worthy ivy]

this is the problem - a whole cavalcade of people who just straight up don't like Thor, using a crapton of fabricated scraping the bottom of the barrel level BS to "dunk" on him thinking that

1. you don't need reason beyond "I don't like this guy"
2. such behaviour is even remotely tolerable in a civilised society
3. they are somehow justified in their BS on the basis it's okay to harrass and lie about someone you don't like

when in the f u c k did that become normal?
what the actual f u c k is wrong with you?

get out of here with that playground bully BS, it's not welcome here, you're an absolute ghoul of the highest order

[strange ember]

And this person didn't fabricate anything

Especially when it could easily be the reason they support SKG.
They don't like Thor. Thor doesn't like SKG. They support SKG because Thor doesn't. Tadah

[fierce bison]

Cones you're going a bit overboard there mate

[wanton stump]

But thats what I mean, they didnt fabricate anything all they did was say they didnt like Thor

[worthy ivy]

newsflash - it's /all/ fabricated BS

[river cargo]

im confused, what is the reason this guy didn't like thor/piratesoftware?

[wanton stump]

Didnt say

[worthy ivy]

the internet

[strange ember]

"I don't like thor" is fabricated BS?

[wanton stump]

Just said he didnt like him

[worthy ivy]

"You dont even need a good reason, if you dont like Thor its fine to dunk on him"

playground bully BS
when did this become normal?

[fierce bison]

content creators, especially on youtube, literally write scripts for their videos, the words are carefully chosen for the intended audience. To say the person doesn't know what they're doing is naive to say the least

[wanton stump]

Like even before all this nonsense happened, I knew many people who just didnt like Thor's vibe at all

And only retroactively justified their dislike with the misinfo

After it became popular

[strange ember]

Saw the most reasonable take on Thor in IndieMouses Lies of P vid

"F*** Pirate software, I dont care about drama or any of that stuff I just dont like the guy"

He didnt make something up to justify his dislike or list off misinfo, asked people to support SKG and said he doesnt like PS

[wanton stump]

They still just didnt like him, the drama farming only happened after

And I think it should be okay to just not like someone

[strange ember]

You're missing context again

[wanton stump]

You should be able to not vibe with someone and not need a justification or reason for it

As long as you are honest about it

[strange ember]

Context on what was meant by dunk starts here: #streamchat message

[worthy ivy]

I don't like loads of peoples "vibe"
most crap I see is people I don't like spewing crap that makes no sense
but I don't go around calling them out in their own discord, I don't leave snarky comments on their videos, I don't make any drama about it at all - I just smile and nod and move on

my question is when did we normalise being uncivil and rude to people we don't like?

reminds me of that anti-smoking guy who was all "it's okay to lie about people that aren't on board with my campaign because they are the enemy"

[wanton stump]

My issue starts when you use mental gymnastics and lies to retroactively justify your dislike, thats what I dont accept

[wanton stump]

Im not talking about those tho

Im talking specifically about one video on IndieMouse's channel

[worthy ivy]

but that's all we get here?

[wanton stump]

But... thats what I started the conversation with

[fierce bison]

to be honest you just came here promoting a hate video and dressed it up as reasonable take, expecting praise

[wanton stump]

The conversation started with me posting about IndieMouses video

[strange ember]

Yeah, that's bringing in extra stuff beyond the conversational topic

[fierce bison]

idk what outcome you expected, if you can elaborate?

[strange ember]

That's not a "hate video". It was about Lies of P, and someone asked about SKG

[wanton stump]

My guy its a video about Lies of P with 10 seconds in a bossfigth where he mentions SKG and his dislike of thor

[sullen tartan]

the internet loves their bogeymen

[worthy ivy]

yes, and you said "You dont even need a good reason, if you dont like Thor its fine to dunk on him"

which I am questioning

when did this attitude become normalised?

[strange ember]

Define dunk

[fierce bison]

in what way does it fit this server is my question

what is the intended purpose of bringing it here

[sullen tartan]

it's always been normalized.

[wanton stump]

Cause... it was about thor?

[hasty grail]

general hate, share reasons that make fun of someone in one way or another

[fierce bison]

so?

[strange ember]

Because it was a reasonable take on the situation?

[worthy ivy]

I don't facebook, I don't instagram, I don't twitter, I don't social media at all, so maybe I'm just not brainrotted enough

but it never used to be this way - anyone who says it always was is mistaken

I remember web 1.0 and it was not the norm

[wanton stump]

This... this is a channel for discussing thor and his streams?

[strange ember]

RoseTintedGlasses.png

[wanton stump]

Maybe dunk wasnt the right word I should have used

By dunking I just meant saying you hate someone or you dont like them

[sullen tartan]

back then the internet's demographic was smaller.

[wanton stump]

Thats all I really meant, maybe thats where the confusion was

[undone dragon]

I don't want to talk for Cheshire, but I think the question is more "what conversation were you hoping to get out of reporting someone's else negative stance"

[fierce bison]

yeah, pretty much that

[wanton stump]

It was a rare moment of someone hating on thor while being reasonable about it

[strange ember]

Look back through history. "Screw that person I don't like X, let's start a fight" is the reason for like... 99% of fights on the planet

[wanton stump]

I thought it merited mentioning

[sullen tartan]

most people were reasonable on old internet because most people were 30 year old men

[strange ember]

It's ALWAYS been that way

[wanton stump]

Considering most of what we get here is unhinged screeching

[worthy ivy]

yes - this is the thing I am questioning

it never used to be normal to get up in someone's face (virtually through a screen obvs) and be all "I hate you"

there's this thing we've forgotten as a species, and it's called being diplomatic

you don't have to tell someone you hate them just because you hate them

just on a level of basic politeness, not even judging whether hate is reasonable or justified

[fierce bison]

merited in what sense? what's the merit exactly?

[wanton stump]

It felt refreshing to have someone just say "I dont like this guy, I think he sucks" and not need to post 20 links about fake bullshit

[worthy ivy]

can confirm --- I was still in highschool, but was born middle-aged so that tracks

[ocean agate]

lack of IRL consequences makes it "safe" for you to do heinous things an think its ok. this is what caused a lot of increased harasement

[wanton stump]

Well thats because being online doesnt incurr the same risk as in person communication

[fierce bison]

i'm really confused how that is considered "admirable" in any way

[worthy ivy]

yeah, but coming here to do that is the equivalent of putting a sign up in someone's garden shitting on them

[strange ember]

I appreciated someone being honest and short about it, myself. No lies, no misinformation, no additional drama farming, just "I don't like this guy"

[fierce bison]

i feel like we're just getting BSed to our face at this point

[wanton stump]

I never said it was admirable, I said it was respectable.

[fierce bison]

you can't be serious

[harsh viper]

not like it's new in any way, but the proportions are definitely getting bigger

[wanton stump]

I thought more people would appreciate that but I guess Im wrong

Must have read the vibe wrong I guess

[worthy ivy]

I don't - it comes across as rude and entitled, like anyone should take any notice of someone's opinion

there's loads of people I hate - probably more than is spiritually healthy

guess how many of them I have sent snarky comments to, or gone in their discord to tell them I hate them...
... go on, guess

[strange ember]

Browns vs Braves?
Montagues vs Capulets?
Star Trek vs Star Wars?
Which Edition of D&D do you like?
I can come up with way more.

If you think this isn't normal human behavior, there are entire youtube channels of people getting in public brawls over even dumber stuff

[gloomy forge]

The Thor hater vs the Thor disliker

[strange ember]

This is people

[wanton stump]

Sorry if I upset anyone I thought it was gonna be recieved better

[fierce bison]

i guarantee you you did not upset anyone, you just got called out

[harsh viper]

this is internet*
fortunately these people would barely open their mouths face to face

[strange ember]

Nah, this is people

[muted robin]

I don't think Dio was saying it's okay to harass people, they were saying that at least back in the day people were normal about just saying "i dislike them" and moving on

[sullen tartan]

i think you guys take the internet way too seriously

[strange ember]

Honestly, a lot of people are bringing excess baggage into this

Someone said "don't like guy, support thing" and moved TF on. That's perfectly reasonable and I wish more people did that instead of going unhinged

It'd be precisely like someone coming in asking me about offbrand games, and me replying:
"I don't like Ludwig. I won't buy anything published by offbrand. So I need a bunch of Uranium for my reactor, should I be on the Moon or Mars to mine that?"

[ocean agate]

generally if you dislike something you have a reason, its more about if you can say it aloud or find the right words to make it clear to others. often its "easier" to say i dont have to justify myself in cases where it might not be socially acceptable such as over skin color, religion, height, gender....or the like.
(edit) and its bad to try and state you dont need a reason, you shouldnt dislike something out of principle but have reason, even if its a terrible one understanding why is important

[fierce bison]

the problem isnt with what you're saying, it's with where you're saying it. This kind of messaging/example better serves its purpose in discords where all people do is dunk on Pirate. Posting it here sends a completely different message. It's all about context

[strange ember]

This was after a conversation about the hatemob trolls though... it's a perfectly reasonable thing to go "I found someone that disagreed and wasn't a raging hatemobber"

[worthy ivy]

that's like nerd arguments - old school internet stuff

but all this (for want of a better phrase) "unreasoning unreasoned Thor hate" isn't the same as nerds arguing about what film they like

it's a campaign against a single individual over made up and fabricated BS

and "it's okay because they don't like Thor" is 1) a poor excuse, and 2) demonstrates weak thinking on the part of those that think such behaviour is in any way justified

I'll not budge on this point - shitting on Thor is not the same as shitting on someone's favourite flavour of Star Trek

and - no shade intended here - if you can't see that then you're part of the problem

[strange ember]

That's a LOT of projection there Cones.

That's very literally not what we've been talking about

You're dragging a LOT more into this than is there, putting WAY more intensity than was given and just generally making a mountain out of a molehill.

[fierce bison]

i'll have to agree with @strange ember , you're kind of escalating this for no reason

[ocean agate]

PSA: remember if you become too EMOTIONALLY invested to take a moment to breathe before responding. do not react emotionally, think through what your saying. try and stay calm to have a resonable discussion

[main ruin]

If you cannot be civil then don't argue. I'm going to ask you now to drop this

[strange ember]

My take on the original statement was basically "Hey cool, someone's not a raging lunatic"

Oop, just read that

[gloomy forge]

Hi mr modge, hope you have a nice day too

[worthy ivy]

someone said - and I quote - "You dont even need a good reason, if you dont like Thor it's okay" (I assume in the context of people posting "Th0R iS BaD" crap in this discord?)

that's all I'm highlighting here - I object to that statement

politeness costs nothing, and not liking someone isn't justification for being uncivil

the rest is me wondering if it was always like this or (as you say, rose tinted spectacles and all)?

am I having an old man shouts at clouds moment? probably

[strange ember]

Erm... read up a few messages

[fierce bison]

a little bit yes

[main ruin]

They were already typing when I sent that, but seriously I do think it's time to move on now.

[rustic maple]

Appearance of a wild jake has reminded me I thought someone said he also did streaming. Does anyone have his channel link?

[worthy ivy]

"goddammnit all these clouds around effing up my sky... grrrrr get out with you clouds I say! go away with your threat of rain!!!"

[main ruin]

https://twitch.tv/notirma

[ocean agate]

if you click his name > full profile > scroll down its linked to his twitch

[rustic maple]

much thanks!

[strange ember]

Actually, how's BlockGame going? Java behaving?

[main ruin]

it's not

java is being a bitch

[hard jackal]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[strange ember]

It might've been the right phase of the moon, never know

[gloomy forge]

and the grass is green

[ocean agate]

grind the beans harder

make the water hotter?

😄

[strange ember]

Nah, you want it at... 90C?

95C?

[gloomy forge]

D: why is a modge allowed to say the b-word but not me.

[worthy ivy]

96.7

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/help-gif-7380459

[strange ember]

I actually don't quite remember the proper extraction temp for coffee

[hard jackal]

b? Bailey? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[lapis flame]

looks different here

[fierce bison]

I actually had a very similar idea of starting work on a game, and have it be within minecraft. There are minecraft servers out there written in rust, from scratch, and my thinking was, hmm, i can start my game in this minecraft/rust framework, allow minecraft clients to connect to it, then migrate to my own client if the game becomes successful

[strange ember]

Privilege of power

[gloomy forge]

shakes fist

[ocean agate]

he can approve his own comments against filter

[main ruin]

it's feasible but a downside would be that when you migrate to your own client you'll have to make the client confirm to the minecraft standard you designed your custom server around

unless you do an insane amount of abstraction

it's a cool idea but think ahead

[strange ember]

That uh... sounds like a lot of work when you migrate away and also trying to be compatible with the moving target that is minecraft

[gloomy forge]

I get why automods intercept the b-word though, mods are small groups but users are huge groups. imagine everyone allowed to curse in here like that

[fierce bison]

yeah i already thought of that, was wondering if it would be even legal to use the minecraft network protocol for your own game, so abstraction would be at the forefront of the design ofc, you'd have to switch protocol for sure

[strange ember]

Lots of people have tried to abstract away minecraft with modding frameworks and those projects all imploded

[fierce bison]

i don't think the abstraction is a big hassle though

yeah i could be wrong, i never did any modding for minecraft

[ocean agate]

i think the best one is "e g o" getting me automodded in the ferret stream.....i was like what?

[swift gulch]

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/ExcitedGorgeousRaccoonPanicVis-ehUHJbLafQyloDgr
Does this answer your question? 😛
(By the way this took him like ten or twenty minutes to figure out, he thought the entire time that it just wasn't spawning the entity)

[fierce bison]

but i remember looking at minecraft's network protocol and although it's beefy/pretty large, it looked manageable

[strange ember]

You'd have snot drooling fart sniffers everywhere!
(Note, this is intended to be a joke)

[ocean agate]

less than 24 hours away

[wet storm]

How do you drool snot?

That sounds logistically complicated

[ocean agate]

sinuses back up

[strange ember]

Yeah... that sounds about right for minecraft.
I love the game but hoooooo boy is it FUSSY

I sincerely hope Simon buys Hypixel

[fierce bison]

Hypixel 😭

[golden latch]

Ever “ugly cry”? That’s effectively drooling snot but its more common with bad teary eyed allergies

[strange ember]

Riot nuking it instead of going "yo, downsize the feature creep" just feels icky

I know why they did it

I just don't like it

[fierce bison]

they completely switched engines, they shot themselves in the foot with that one

[strange ember]

I mean if you had an actual reason to do it? It's possible.
They didn't

[wet storm]

So when an anime character sleeps and a giant snot bubble forms that's drooling snot?

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-anime-ror-gif-10852391966547563574

[fierce bison]

no, that's just 100% pure grade snot

[golden latch]

Oh a sleep bubble nvm yeah that happens irl rarely however

[earnest mirage]

i would use anything but minecraft as an engine to build an own game ^^

[strange ember]

Nah, that's just one of the AnimeThings that comes from Manga being to a large degree published in magazines

[fierce bison]

the reasoning is for marketing purposes

[strange ember]

Also user base

[fierce bison]

you have access to a huge audience

that's what i meant

[strange ember]

It's the most sold game ever, and it's not even close

[fierce bison]

at this point it's essentially steam, but 3D

with blocks

you're making games for the minecraft platform

with the minecraft game engine

[strange ember]

Aye. As much as I love GTNH... it would be nice if it wasn't stuck on 1.7.10 Minecraft XD

[fierce bison]

oh, oh, and the games you make for minecraft, microsoft doesn't take a 30% cut like steam does. how cool is that? Honestly Microsoft are pretty chill about the private server situation, props to them

[blissful imp]

Also a good portion of the pvp community are still on 1.7.10 because of some bug fixes in 1.8 that made the combat not feel as good and as fluid as 1.7.10. this is why players on 1.8.9 use pvp mod client to make that version feel like 1.7.10.

Which is the only reason the majority of the pvp community moved to 1.8.9

[terse pelican]

Know what I miss from old Minecraft mods? Realistic Fluids

[earnest mirage]

my thinking was, hmm, i can start my game in this minecraft/rust framework, allow minecraft clients to connect to it, then migrate to my own client if the game becomes successful
and i still say using minecraft is not a good idea for this. It's everything else than a good starting point because of its tons of shenanigans. Even with a custom server you are still rely on the vanilla client and have to adapt to all of it's problems.

[waxen comet]

whats wrong with minecraft

[fierce bison]

the client doesn't matter, what matters is implementing the network protocol faithfully, then the client just works

the client has no idea what kind of server it's connecting to, it's irrelevant

and the "implementing the network protocol" part is done already by the MIT licensed rust servers that are made public out there

[terse pelican]

To put it simply, A lot

[fierce bison]

the challenge, like jake mentioned, comes at the point where you want to switch to your own client, but that is a nice problem to have, means you're already successful

[wet storm]

IT'S BLOCKY AND WEIRD

STEVE TERRIFIES ME

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[gloomy forge]

especially RTX on Steve.

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-lava-chicken-jockey-lava-chicken-gif-12217205500015743483

steve jumpscare

[wet storm]

That lava chicken looks so good tho

[winged knoll]

https://x.com/peach2k2/status/1945250857911509160?s=46&t=Boo2N8b_eN14Fb4Jky2M5w

peachey 𔐓 (@peach2k2)

naaaah yandere sim wasn't even this bad

X · Jul 15, 2025, 10:35 PM

[gloomy forge]

Yeah the props team really done a good job making the chicken look like CG when its just a prop with some nice CG on top.

[winged knoll]

Smh, now i can’t defend Thor any longer

Straight to dev jail

[blissful imp]

uhhh i'm a complete coding noob never coded in my life. i legit thought this was real at 1st and not a meme.

Anyways now that i do

[winged knoll]

[hasty grail]

you know how i know thats not Thor's code

[blissful imp]

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[hasty grail]

its in light mode

[gloomy forge]

code like that should be made elegal

[winged knoll]

E

[ocean agate]

1)not dark mode 2)picture is blury, but had me for a moment

[winged knoll]

E-legal

[hasty grail]

any sane person codes in dark mode

[warm trench]

Utlimate coders set foreground = background.

[gloomy forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-heaven-cat-heaven-cat-meme-flashbang-gif-17326185121915675373

[terse pelican]

Real coders code in Braile

[gloomy forge]

programming in lightmode

[blissful imp]

BrainF

i can't say the full name due to auto mod

[brittle brook]

https://tenor.com/view/screens-gif-12415398109684808185

[warm trench]

Real coders use only 1 key. Only 1 key is needed.

[terse pelican]

You just made me think of the whole 1 Button Rotation WoW added as an accessability feature

[fierce bison]

Real coders use foot pedals

https://tenor.com/view/typewriter-tablet-gif-7627957

Or that, but it should slide to the left as you type, then when you press enter it catapults your tablet to the right and offscreen

Could not find a gif for that, i think i'm too insane 😦

[blissful imp]

in the case of the game OTXO... there's a bug where if you have sim racing pedals plugged in the game will recognize them and you'll be stuck in the menu because the pedals overwrite everything else. only fix is to unplug the pedals.

[fierce bison]

Classic

[waxen comet]

thats funny

reminds me of the time that one minecraft youtuber added foot pedals to his control scheme to press the sprint button

reminds me of another minecraft youtuber that presses the Shift key
WITH HIS THUMB

[idle hill]

https://tenor.com/view/mumbo-mumbo-jumbo-redstone-minecraft-hermitcraft-gif-6539643690450329871

[fluid dome]

they're not comparing him to yanderedev bc of thor's code btw

[mellow silo]

What a lunatic

[fluid dome]

it might look like it but trust me its not

[waxen comet]

wait til you hear one of their other friends control scheme

its insane

a screenshot of an animatic of the entire thing

[mellow silo]

Jails exist for a reason

[waxen comet]

his forward is E
back is X
right is F
left is A

swapping between offhand and main hand in minecraft if G

R is his inventory key

[fluid dome]

this is like what i imagine the mental gymnastics of someone explaining claw grip feels like

[terse pelican]

Just trying to hold my hand in a way where I can access all the buttons hurt my hand

[fluid dome]

mkb users arent normal people

[waxen comet]

i think the reason his control scheme is like that is because apparently he has big hands

so the regular WASD doesnt sit comfortably with him

[terse pelican]

Makes sense, I've got smallish hands

[waxen comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qZEmediDww

heres the entire video

its gold

[swift gulch]

The sad thing is I've already seen people legitimately posting stuff like this
One had him with a screen behind checking if an input matched every possible IP address one at a time, and saying it was his security code for Heartbound
The guy was dead serious too

[terse pelican]

It's the dumbest ever

''I don't like this person so i'm going to dedicate my entire life to ruining them''

[swift gulch]

I'm just like
Dude he streams for like 50-60 hours a week
You can comb through that to find some screenshot of him with dumb shit on the screen
Find me the actual video where he's going over it and maybe then you'll have a point

[fallow fable]

i think they are for the funnies i think

[fierce bison]

that has to be Mumbo Jumbo

[waxen comet]

yes it is lmao

its so unique

no one ever presses the shift key with their thumbs

[idle hill]

Here's the real debate:
Shift or CTRL to sprint?

[outer cobalt]

Tbrh im getting bored of their “insults”, its not very intelligent or thought provoking

[outer cobalt]

Bullet jump please

[hasty grail]

shift to spring, ctrl to crouch

[ocean agate]

sprint to sprint def.

[idle hill]

bloosy

[swift gulch]

I think some people in his community are posting them as a meme, yeah
The sad thing is that people who just want to shit on him actually believe it

[idle hill]

i jist wpke up

shift or ctrl

[winged knoll]

This one is funny tho

[swift gulch]

If I'd seen it in any other context I'd agree with you 😛

[toxic rampart]

I will also live with C if X and Z are involved for prone etc

But that's mostly milslop

[hasty grail]

depends on the game then

[waxen comet]

shift to crouch and control to sprint

[idle hill]

I use CTRL to sprint, curling my pinky finger to go for extended periods of time
It's a lot easier to get to SHIFT for crouching on the spot

[hasty grail]

for a general fps, ie destiny, then ctrl is crouch and you dont worry about prone

[toxic rampart]

Yeah. Like I said. Milsim etc I'll take it.
Otherwise, shift and ctrl

[winged knoll]

Jail

[waxen comet]

its what was in the game normally

[terse pelican]

C is for crouch. I'll die on this hill.

[waxen comet]

if the game has shift to sprint by default

[terse pelican]

V is for Prone.

[waxen comet]

ill use shift

[hasty grail]

sniper elite is where i could see switching things up more

[idle hill]

I have a force crawl mod which I have set to C to go prone

[hasty grail]

fair

[terse pelican]

and G is for ''God Darn, I dropped my Pinapple''

[toxic rampart]

But if we're in CS because I don't love myself enough that day.
We're doing esdf baybeeee

[idle hill]

Z is for zooming in with goggles or a spyglass, X is for marking waypoints on my minimap

other than that it depends on the mods I'm playing with in order to figure out the rest of the keybinds
I have "Open Chat" set to the Enter key, then T is used for questing mods
usually they set it to G by default which conflicts with like 3 or 4 other mods every time

[swift gulch]

Ctrl for hold crouch, C for toggle crouch 👍

[terse pelican]

True, But It's so rare I use Ctrl cause I've got issues with my pinkie on the left hand

[swift gulch]

Understandable

[idle hill]

makes sense now why that's the hill you'd die on

[swift gulch]

I'm the other way around, I can't use C for hold crouch at all or it gets in the way of controls

C for toggle crouch is fine

[terse pelican]

I can swap between Spacebar and C with my thumb luckily, that's sufficient

[swift gulch]

Hmm, fair point, I didn't consider using thumb

[idle hill]

I can't do toggle crouch/sprint, I gotta have some control over it in case I gotta stop (which I do every 5 seconds to scout around )

[swift gulch]

I prefer hold crouch and toggle sprint, but I've seen some games that had a separate keybind for hold/toggle when it comes to crouch

[terse pelican]

Depends on what game it is, Toggle Crouch/sprint is fine, But if you need swap repeatedly, Toggle is bad

[toxic rampart]

Ye. I try to move most things that require me to not be engaged with movement inputs unless it's a tap like reload grenade w/e.
But thumb would totally work with some adjustment

[swift gulch]

Most have it as a gameplay option, but you're still locked to one or the other

[terse pelican]

Toggle ADS though, That's just... Blah

[swift gulch]

Oh hell no

[idle hill]

disgusting

[swift gulch]

For crouch, I prefer hold, but I can manage toggle if needed, and having two separate hotkeys for it is perfect in some games
Sprint, I like toggle sprint as long as it stops if I let go of the movement
ADS, always hold, period, end of story, what's wrong with you

[idle hill]

I aim with rclick
would be open to using MMB too, but I rather use that to ping

[terse pelican]

I hate having to click MMB for stuff, I dunno why but it feels so bad

[idle hill]

it's basically using either the index or middle finger to press it down and use the other button

[toxic rampart]

If there's a middle mouse input, that gets hot swapped straight to mouse 4 or 5 in a heart beat

[idle hill]

my poor gaming mouse doesnt work as well as it once did

started double clicking

now I use a basic little logitech mouse

[toxic rampart]

Same for quick melee.
Always mouse 4 for me.

[terse pelican]

I miss my old Logitech gaming mouse...

But they don't sell it anymore

[idle hill]

yeah... I got mine off Amazon

might actually see if this mouse still works, or if double clicking is still a problem

I like having a weighted mouse to game with

[toxic rampart]

Unless it's TF2.
Then that's just the funny "Instant trimp button" for demo.

[terse pelican]

Do what Thor did, Put washers in it

[idle hill]

eh? he disassembled his mouse to put washers inside it?

[terse pelican]

Yes

[toxic rampart]

Aye okay tho wait.
Here me out.

Weighted aftermarket skate pads for popular mice that don't have that option like Logitech mice....

Someone steal that idea if it's not a thing already.

[idle hill]

I'm thinking like an attachment on the bottom to put in weights

I cant remember what mouse it was I had that you could take off a cover on the bottom to put in 5 weights

Might've been this one?
https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-Impact-Buttons-Precision-Programmable/dp/B07HC4NBQ8

[ocean agate]

i think my corsair lets me add weights

[toxic rampart]

Logitech has been doing that forever yeah.
You slide either the bottom or back off and it has weights you put in.

[idle hill]

It might've been a logitech one, the redragon one is super familiar tho
the logitech mouse I have does no such thing

[toxic rampart]

I was talking like these traditional aftermarket skates you can get.
But weighted.
That way you could use whatever if weights aren't included.

The g502s in particular I know use weights
They actually shape them to balance across the area as well. I love it as an option.

[wet storm]

Guys if isnt is the opposite of is

Why is against not the opposite of again

These questions keep me up at night

Help me chat

Also this chat is motivating me to get a new mouse mat

Mine's 2 years old and needs the bin

[fierce bison]

because it's "isn't" not "isnst"

or rather "against" and not "againnt"

[covert monolith]

I feel like Im having a stroke reading this

[wet storm]

I can finally sleep

[fierce bison]

o7

[elder scaffold]

I has the g502 hero

[winged knoll]

Has Thor played e33

[wet storm]

Ye

[winged knoll]

On strim? Can i have

Has he meet Simon

[covert monolith]

he played thrrough all of it iirc

[winged knoll]

Used to love this, but man the carpal tunnel

[covert monolith]

if you look up expedition 33 in #streams youll see what days he mentions it, and then can rifle through the yt vods

[winged knoll]

Now i use the superlight 2

[winged knoll]

Oki thank

[winged knoll]

Recommend this even for fps players

[undone dragon]

7
(I am a cryptid who remaps all of my movement keys to numpad)

[wet storm]

Who the hell uses ctrl to sprint

[covert monolith]

shift to sprint ctrl to crouch

[wet storm]

That's like using F for Use when there's no leaning mechanics like in R6 Siege

[elder scaffold]

shift = print
ctrl = prone

[undone dragon]

He finished the story but didn't do any endgame grind/exploration so no

[wet storm]

Shift = Sprint
Ctrl = Hold to Crouch
C = Toggle Crouch
Z = Prone

[elder scaffold]

alt = freelook

[winged knoll]

Aww man that’s sad

So he went straight to ||Renoir|| at the start of act 3 i assume

[undone dragon]

He looked around a bit. I remember him getting frustrated at the ||Rattle snake boss|| then went there yeah

[winged knoll]

The one next to Sirene right

[undone dragon]

yeah

this guy
||https://expedition33.wiki.fextralife.com/Chromatic+Glissando||

[toxic rampart]

I mostly play FPS and use a G502x which is 89 grams.
Haven't been able to get away from the form factor since the OGs released lol.

Don't miss the weights personally tbh.

[jolly sky]

Praise be to the MX518

[reef geyser]

I have one of those coming in now, since my mouse just finally started to finish dying.

Been using the same mouse for like 15 years

[toxic rampart]

If I wasn't so in love with the 502 I would be on an MX in a heart beat.

And yeah, this replaced like a decade old 502 Hero. They just don't die.

[reef geyser]

Mine is one that I'd still rather be using, but they don't make them anymore, and the secondary market for them is crazy expensive. So much so that I can sell this one that I have now, with a broken wheel, nonfunctional side buttons, and a left click that's ghosting, for more than I paid for it brand new over 15 years ago.

What mouse is it? 🙂

[toxic rampart]

I wonder how many actual hours I had on the Hero.
It would probably be shameful as PC goblin.

15 years ago...
Still valued.
One of those stubby bois. ?
H/O

G9?

[opal bronze]

!fridge

[dapper raven]

The Legends were true! https://youtu.be/ZhRkxUDadUA

[flat stratus]

isn't this just streaming the game rather than running on the fridge?

[warm trench]

No, it was actually installed into the computer system in the fridge

[opal bronze]

thats what i was checking out lol

[flat stratus]

are you sure? why is there a laptop, raspberry pi, and it says "connecting to heartbridge" ?

[opal bronze]

it seems plausible i think unless there's receipts out there that say otherwise

[serene valley]

To install the app on the fridge

[warm trench]

Embedded systems have a delivery system to interface is why. Make sure this isn't a Sealion.

[jolly sky]

We saw the .apk uploaded, so I'm inclined to believe it's running on fridge hardware. No point for all the error scenes if it's just a monitor

[opal bronze]

error scenes could be for the video idk

its definitely implied

[jolly sky]

The whole store could be fake just for the video

[opal bronze]

so true

[serene valley]

The whole game could be fake just for the video

[brisk sparrow]

and the nationwide security audit across lowes

[serene valley]

The whole universe could be fake

[indigo wadi]

We are in a simulation

[serene valley]

Yes I would describe existence as "a situation"

[warm trench]

The underlying message is : IoT is the devil , really.

[serene valley]

Oh simulation

[serene valley]

Yes lmao

[exotic forge]

Heartbound on the fridge looks cool

[indigo wadi]

Lol ya, stupid autocorrect

[jolly sky]

And the nation itself could be fake just to claim it was "nationwide"

[serene valley]

Still applied

[opal bronze]

id still like a explanation if for anything at least because its interesting

[exotic forge]

Like how they were able to put it on the fridge?

[opal bronze]

yea

[warm trench]

Embedded systems are quite interesting from EPROM burners, ZigBee, etc etc. Many times its proprietary serial communications.

[lapis flame]

see if Steets can tell you more

[serene valley]

I doubt steets would wanna cuz Lowe's did not like that video

[opal bronze]

if lowe's didnt like it that much i imagine whatever he did would have been fixed by now surely

[serene valley]

You never know, sometimes companies pay bug bounties just so people don't release the info, but then proceed to not fix the bug

[jolly sky]

It's not really a Lowes problem, more of a Samsung problem

[opal bronze]

true

[serene valley]

Ig yea

[opal bronze]

but lowes auditing it would have included contacting samsung for them to fix it no?

[warm trench]

I don't want to see on my fridge Welcome to diet app 3.23. Please complete this puzzle to open the door...

[brisk sparrow]

steets also hasnt sent a message here since last october

though i bet they still lurk

[serene valley]

Gosh I kinda wanna do this on a current fridge just so people can stop complaining

[warm trench]

Aren't Receipts the new Papers Please?

[opal bronze]

go for it

[serene valley]

If only I had the time

[opal bronze]

(on a fridge you own)

[serene valley]

Or a smart fridge

[jolly sky]

Imagine, bricking your fridge

What a dumb future

[serene valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[exotic forge]

lol i'm not familiar with what's going on. Why are people complianing? All I saw was a cool video about thor's game running on the fridge

[serene valley]

They say it's faked

[opal bronze]

if someone did an actual proper techy video on it walking through the steps maybe not on something like a fridge but as silly

i think that would satisfy people, if it was logically sound

at least on that point

[wet storm]

Shrimply have a fridge that is dumb like me

[serene valley]

And therefore Thor sucks, or something

[opal bronze]

they say because its faked his claim of running on a smart fridge is false which ties into his whole code isnt performative enough angle

[gloomy forge]

1. Cool video, well produced and funny.
2. People can easily fake things on any hardware, someone posted this too: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/myjKrkwpM8M, nothing about it is new.
3. Looks like a powerful smart fridge, probably runs on a Dual Core or even more, could easily run games made with game maker on it.
4. Means it doesn't matter if it runs on it or not. If its runs higher than 1.4 ghz the games gonna run fine. Game Maker stuff runs on potatos.
5. Why is this even drama related Thor clearly just made a joke and the fan played into it.

[jolly sky]

"Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter."

This, bascially

[exotic forge]

Wouldn't they sealion the person who put it on the fridge and not Thor lol

[jolly sky]

No because they don't care, Thor is their target

[hazy storm]

Sealion?

[soft vector]

It wouldn't

[opal bronze]

small fish, the fact thor backs it is what matters

[jolly sky]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[opal bronze]

at least on that point, they'd still find something else but it wouldnt be that

[lapis flame]

"Proof? Proof? Proof?" sounds like a sealion

[sinful kestrel]

Well the fridge can't run APKs, it's not android based, it's Tizen based, which uses APTs. And it shows the same UI for using Smart Things phone streaming, that white bar over the middle of the screen that says connecting to HeartBridge.

[soft vector]

He could write it in rust and people would still complain

[opal bronze]

yea because its not C

🙂

[jolly sky]

Dude, things have been "logically sound" from the get go. Yet that hasn't stopped anyone from bringing up dumb stuff

[opal bronze]

im talking about a hypothetical video not the arguments on either side, but you're right they'd still be sticklers

[sinful kestrel]

You can load APT's wirelessly with SDB, but then it wouldn't show an android interface, it would add the app to the fridge screen.

[exotic forge]

I'm reading that Tizen OS uses the RPM (Red Hat Package Manager) format for its software packages, not APT

[wet storm]

The entire fridge thing is so dumb

Who cares it's a cool gimmick

[sinful kestrel]

That's a typo I'm sorry, it's TPK not APT. Swapped the T with the wrong letter. It's from the "Connecting Devices over Smart Development Bridge" shown in Steet's video.

[hazy storm]

Don't bother. He's not likely to change his opinion based on actual evidence

[gloomy forge]

I think it would be smarter to just use a old PC to run heartbound from. Use a 2008-2010 PC and just launch the game, the hardware is probably weaker than on a 2022 smart fridge.

[wet storm]

Someone made the thing open in a fridge, it's pretty cool

[opal bronze]

sure, but its being used as a point for how well it runs, people are gonna poke holes or try to

[wet storm]

There's already video evidence it works

!fridge

[dapper raven]

The Legends were true! https://youtu.be/ZhRkxUDadUA

[lapis flame]

or they could stop trying to poke their fingers everywhere

[wet storm]

Those people can piss off lmao

[soft vector]

They will poke holes regardless

[opal bronze]

that video is proof to them its not turns out

[wet storm]

Well they be dumb then

[soft vector]

It could run on the moon lander Computer and they would still find reason to complain

[terse pelican]

I feel that the goalpost keeps shifting every time this conversation comes up

[gloomy forge]

GM is made for potatos its like people never played them.

same goes with the entire code argument. Everyone wants Thor to refactor the code, which wouldn't take long.

Yet nobody yells at Thor that he should ditch gml and go for gdscript instead because godot basically replaced game maker as the proper alternative to make games big or small. Its all so silly like why would you even make something in game maker anymore if theres better alternatives.

[flat stratus]

i mean, this video just shows screen mirroring and everything looks the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UILsbxhCZvs&t=24s

same connection screen and big back button.
also, if it was the first time running it on the fridge, it wouldn't have the forget and continue, and it would just have continue? he could've connected the first time without recording i guess, but why not just record it anyway.

[wet storm]

Then that person isn't on the fence. They's already made up their mind. Waste of time to debate with them

[soft vector]

I agree.